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122 comments:

Miranda said...

To A Real Volunteer:

Thanks for giving us a real-time, first-person account of Kate's faux "Give Back" day.

starz22 said...

For the one who said that the kids being in school is giving them thier socialization skills? I beg to differ...
These kids are told if not threatened by kate...who they can play with and who they can talk to.They are told how to eat thier lunch and in what order.We never see ANY of the kids sitting on the bus with thier "friends".I dont buy for 1 minute that the kids get to make thier OWN choices even in school.

2 were expelled because they dont know how to socialize properly.They have no clue how to function in the "real" world.So some of the kids can make it through a day of school? Big deal.They are still being hindered by thier mother even when she isnt there.Even if the teachers try to get the kids to interact with other kids...they wont and dont.Just because they show up to school and sit in thier seats does NOT mean that they are learning how to socialize.You said this is thier 3rd year in school?After 3 years 2 were kicked out of school cause they DONT know how to socialize!

Mady and Cara? You think they are happy to have all the attention put on the tups? Really?These are 2 10 year old girls looking and yearning for thier mothers attention.You said thier happy to not have that attention? We have seen for years how much Mady hates this.She may not like the filming..but she is quite aware of the fact that the tups get more attention.She has been very vocal about this.Why do the tups get 3 b-day partys and we only get one?The babies get everything and we get nothing!The twins may not like the filming but they know whats going on.Yet both Mady and Cara are forced to be there to make the money for mommy dearest.They may not get the camera time that the tups get...but they are there and know they dont rate as much.
Sorry...I just dont believe the kids are learning how to socialize just because they are in school.How ever prestigious this school claims to be.

barbee said...

On the last post there were comments about the twins possibly resenting all the attention going to the tups. It may not outwardly bother Cara because she has such a quiet nature and doesn't seem to crave the spotlight. But Mady has always shown signs of jealousy when Cara outdid her at the sporty stuff, or actually anything where Mady wasn't best. If we get the impression from kate's offhand comments that the '6' are the ones responsible for the money tree/cash cow, it would seem likely that the twins see that too.

It is totally believable that she would not allow the kids to go to friends due to the getting there and back with 8 kids and it is MUCH more believable that she also would not allow outside playdates where she couldn't control what might be learned about life in the kompound, or at home play dates because she wouldn't want outsiders to see and hear what goes on in the house. And isn't that a wonderful way to live your childhood... off to school really early because mommy is toooo lazy to drive them to school and save a longer bus ride, home about 4:30ish, homework, supper, bed. Weekends and school holidays wherever mommy can drag you away from 'your beds, your toys, your... whatever' (hmmmm, isn't THAT why she said they dislike going to Jon's?) anyhoo, drag you out for yet another film opportunity for mommy to do something lame and you to be bored. And the ironic part is that some supposedly educated judge says it is okay if she does that if it is for WORK (yet, the kids aren't WORKING, they are PLAYING and cameras just happen to be there to catch it), and this is on HER time or even JON'S time. Her work should NEVER be allowed to infringe on Jon's scheduled, allotted and begrudged time with his kids (which is all at her discretion, whoopsie, how can I use a word like discretion about her?.

Kinda funny how some words just don't relate with her and should never be used in the same sentence. We should start a list of them and see how long it would get.

My starter word is discretion.l

kate can't do sh** said...

It is possible Cara and Mady might like the attention diverted away from them now, but here's my point. Travel down the road to when the 6 are quite a bit older and the media may want to do updates on them. They do it with other sets of multipes but it seems like things are fairly normal for these other families. Kate's situation is different and we all know why. That's why we spend time on this blog. I believe the media will always be less interested in the twins than the 6. What if it involved money for the 6 and the twins were never sought after? I guess no one really knows what the future holds but I can tell you that if I was either Cara or Mady and my 6 younger siblings were always getting attention, it would affect me in a emotionally negative way.

Susantoyota said...

Empathy.

To be fair, this list should be alphabetical.

So . . . .

A=Agreeable
B=Bountiful
C=Class
D=Discretion
E=Empathy

Keep it going!!

Susantoyota said...

I want to revise my list of words that do not describe Kate and should not be used in the same sentence with her.

A=Authentic
B=Bountiful or Brilliant or Bashful
C=Class
D=Discretion (from Barbee)
E=Elegant

readerlady said...

To carry on with susantoyota's alphabetical listing of non-Khate traits:

F = Frugal (at least not when it comes to her own desires and comfort)

G = Grateful, Graceful, Gracious

H = Happy, Heartwarming

I = Interested, Interesting

J = Joyous, Joyful

too bad, so sad said...

continue the alphabet

E emotionally available
F fair
G generous
H honest and/or humble
I intelligent
J judicious
K kind
L lovely, lovable or lucid
M motherly
N nice, nurturing or neighborly
O open minded, outstanding
P patient
Q-quintessential
R religious
S sensible
T tolerant, talented

-carry on GWoPERS
BTW I think it would be easier to find adjectives to use in a sentence with her. JMHO

Big Wooden Spoon said...

So . . . .

A=Agreeable
B=Bountiful
C=Class
D=Discretion
E=Empathy

F=Fun

Sharla said...

Please keep your comments to the Gosselins and not the other commenters. By the way, I really hate having to repeat myself so often. That also applies to friendly "helps." If a comment is so bad grammatically that it takes too long to be deciphered, we try to keep those out.

One way to stay out of trouble is to direct your comments to the blog in general and not to specific commenters or calling out specific previous comments in your comments.

People stomp on some of my writing pet peeves every day here. (May I mention than/then, lose/loose?)Sometimes we simply have to let things go.

Susantoyota said...

Almost done . . .

U=Unaffected, Uplifting, Unique
V=Versatile
W=Winsome or Witty
X=??
Y=Yielding or Youthful
Z=Zesty

I can't come up with anything for X. Anyone?

Bosom Buddy said...

Spoon said, "B=Bountiful"

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It depends on what one considers "bountiful." I'm sure Kate thinks of her new "girls" as a bountiful bosom.

barbee said...

loved this

BTW I think it would be easier to find adjectives to use in a sentence with her. JMHO

And this was from someone who had a whole list of things to add. You did fine with the list as is or as was, not sure which, been up since 4 AM and getting tired.

Khate on the radio said...

It was either here or another blog where someone asked for a link where Kate says she wants to go to Asia to help in an orphanage. Here it is, it's on the radio at around the 5 minute mark.

http://883wcqr.podomatic.com/player/web/2011-03-09T09_30_02-08_00

E-town Neighbor said...

I can't come up with anything for X. Anyone?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Xenial

readerlady said...

I have some more. This is kind of fun. I'm stuck in bed with bronchitis, so I needed to exercise my brain a bit. Some of these letters have already been used, but that doesn't matter, does it? I couldn't find anything for X either.

P = patient, prayerful, playful
Q = Quaint
R = Reasonable, Righteous, Romantic
S = Stable, Sweet, Soothing
T = Timid
U = Unaggressive
V = Valuable, Valiant
W = Willing
Y = Yielding
Z = Zippy

I agree, it would be much easier to come up with adjectives to use for Khate.

fidosmommy said...

X = Xenial.

It means friendly. Very close to "genial" - it is not a typo.

Ampersmom said...

I watched this video and thought wow, the cameras and sound booms are everywhere. Also I noticed Kate does not pose with anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGNL8uag7c&feature=player_embedded
and the store was not really crowded!

barbee said...

"When there was noise from the tuplets, Kate looked at them and they became quiet as if they lost their voices. I did head her say twice, "Cara/Mady, please do your job" which I assume was to control the 3 tups each had. Look at the pics and you see this."

where did these pics appears? Very Interesting!

Saw in one picture that while not being verbal about her not wanting to be part of filming, Cara was visually showing it. SHE didn't wear the tee-shirt Kate and the tups wore. Didn't see a pic of Mady so not sure what she wore.

Bet it irritated kate to see a lot of 'pretty' blonde women in 'pretty' clothes at the affair while she had to appear in the ugly boyish tee shirt and, well, her 'not pretty' appearance.

She is soooo over, is everyone at tlc blind that they can't see it too?

JoyinVirginia said...

Only volunteering I would be interested in seeing Ms. Kreider do is something involving manual labor. Go work on a Habitat for Humanity house, learn how to put up drywall or paint something. I would watch her work up a sweat while really working, with no kids, no high heels, and a few broken nails.
Now I am off to go dig in the dirt and plant bulbs! Hey, she could do that - get down on her knees and weed a flower bed in front of an elderly person's home, something like that!

K8. Fan. No more said...

Other words that DON'T describe Kate:
Decent
Sympathetic
Endearing
Compassionate
Nurturing
Supportive
Fun
Funny

BUT I think these 2 are the MOST opposite of Kate
#2 COOTH
#1 MOMMY

Shoka's Understudy said...

I just watched the Food Bank video with the pictures and music. Wow! She didn't pose with anybody. The kids looked confused and with a what are we doing here look on their face.

If she took off the shirts and made the kids do the same and leave them, that is a slap in the face of the Food Bank.

She could of left with them on and dealt with it later. But, that shows how much hate she had in her heart for just being there.

How dare her say she never heard of a food bank! She has said over and over to anyone who would listen that they dug in the couch for change, something about the light bill, paying bills, Jon standing in line at the Food Bank or something like that.

So now she is using Mady and Cara instead of Ashley and another non-nanny. Trying to cut back expenses, kate? Do your job, Mady/Cara!

kate, it is YOUR JOB! You had them created in your mind, the more that took, the more that birthed, the ones that survive, the bigger pile of money!

The tup boy that had on the cap looked so cute. But the dead expression on his face is just hard to take.

She knows what a Food Bank is. Because when TLC told her where she was going to film at, you know she asked all about it and what was going to happen.

Too bad a very classy, very well dressed to the nines young upper 20's lady didn't come by the table and bring a donation, (big check)and start talking to PurseBoy and HE responded nicely to the nice lady.

kate would of imploded! hahaha


Just feel so sorry for those kids.

BerksPa said...

So Done...
Kate did go to the food bank. She went to the food bank the day before they were at the grocery store.
In her interview w/ one of the radio stations she talks about how they did an assembly line at the food bank and packed the back packs (over 100 - and I think actually 200 she said). Then they went to the school and delivered some snack bags for that school and the kids got to talk with other kids.
The next day she did a couple of radio interviews, went to the grocery store with the kids, did the tv interview and left after her gig was up (around 12noon).

too bad, so sad said...

Okay, at first I was bored with the whole thing, now you have made me curious and I refuse to look at the clip or go to a site and check it out. So, would someone be so kind as to clarify for me:
Reading here it seems like the kids stood around and tried to look cute, and Kate stood around looking for attention and adoration.
On another, dark side site, there is joy, joyful celebration about giving back and 18 hands all working hard for the Food Bank, showing us haters how wrong and evil we are to think this was all staged and not real giving back.
Was there actual working, as in sorting, packing, moving the donated food to a truck by the Gosselins, or was this a meet and greet photo op?
Also, I think people have a different definition of volunteering. At work we have food drives where on a certain evening there is an activity and everyone brings in food for our local food pantry as part of the entrance fee.
One staff members just smiles, greets people and looks pretty, I and several other staff members take the food, sort it, pack it, move the boxes outside for the food pantry volunteers to pick up. The only people that are referred to as "volunteers" are the people who donate their time regularly at the food pantry. The rest of us all think of ourselves as contributors.
So, how are the Gosselins volunteers? BTW this is outside our work hours and we are "off the clock" not getting paid, and we still don't feel we are volunteers.

More Stuff Please said...

She could have worn the shirt on her runs and to Fed Ex and the like and given them a lot more exposure. Oh but wait Chris has moved on. Good for him. She must have yelled the wrong thing at him.

I would have had a hard time believing that a woman who is the mother of 8 kids and a millionairess (thanks to them) would be so low class as to roll down her window and yell taunts at photogs from the back of her limousine but she said it herself on the GL show. She sounded quite pleased with herself and thought it was hi-lar-i-ous.

Jane in California said...

Some very interesting commentary here about Kate's visit to the food bank. I appreciate the information. It's very detailed, so I figure either it's one person's description of what they saw while actually there, or someone making a whole bunch of stuff up, knowing they'll be proven wrong once the show is aired.

Have to say, it sounds believable, from the bodyguard refusing to let anyone near Kate, to Kate only agreeing to speak to one radio station, to the kids having no interaction with their mom besides the occasional barked order, to Kate not actually doing any work of assembling the food packages, to leaving the t-shirts behind. It all sounds like the Kate I've come to know and dislike so much.

It's sad to hear that the few fans she still has are so excited to see Kate "giving back." Either they truly have no idea what it means to give to the community at large, or they don't care and are just happy to hear that TLC is still filming their hero. Because anyone who truly gives, on a year round basis, isn't falling for this supposed selfless act of flying all the way to TN, and spending a mere two hours at a food bank while being interviewed by a radio station. That's not giving back, that's grasping at anything to stay relevant in the eyes of the viewers, and dragging your poor kids along for the miserable ride.

It's sad how low the bar is for Sheeple.

Spring Has Sprung said...

She spent exactly 2 hrs in there, went upstairs overlooking the foodbank and then took off the shirts and out the door.

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I'm confused. Wasn't the radio station interview upstairs at 7 a.m. a LIVE streamed broadcast? So if she spent two hours "in there," and went upstairs overlooking the food bank, then she spent from 5 a.m. to 7 a.m. behind the table downstairs? I thought it was reported that her two hours there were from 10 a.m. to noon.

fidosmommy said...

Spring Has Sprung, I'm confused too.

I am reading in one place that Kate refused to do interviews with
more than on radio station. But I'm also reading that there were several interviews for radio and one for TV. Either I'm just misreading info, or it was multiple interviews for one news source.

Tucker's Mom said...

I would have had a hard time believing that a woman who is the mother of 8 kids and a millionairess (thanks to them) would be so low class as to roll down her window and yell taunts at photogs from the back of her limousine but she said it herself on the GL show. She sounded quite pleased with herself and thought it was hi-lar-i-ous.
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Read the Vanity Fair article. She did exactly that in NYC, as she sat in a SUV limo on the way back from FAO Schwartz to her hotel.
A whopping 3 blocks away.

LB said...

Good grief, someone on another blog complained that Jon or Ellen hasn't been seen in a line anywhere. Have they forgotten that he has donated his time for charity in the past? Why does he need to match his charity for her charity? This is America and we are free to choose whatever charity we choose for donating. I also really have to object to having the children dragged to TN and shoved to the front lines in order to accomplish TLC’s goal. What purpose does that serve to have that filmed and pretending they are actually giving back? They never have been taught consistently about charity (who could forget them getting a gift bag from the Ronald McDonald episode?) and they only do it every two years, something like that. They are learning that they are able to get a lot of gifts and attentions from filming and traveling so that is why I don’t believe they actually do understand the concept of giving back. I doubt they were explained about the purpose of the trip in the first place or even had a sit-down discussion. It was kinda embarrassing to see the children with fake smiles pasted on their faces and blank looks. They truly did not understand it. They are 6 years old, after all and their brains work differently from adults. I so hate that TLC seems to think that the simple fact that the last name Gosselin, would draw people to donate. That wouldn’t fly with me. I also fear that the children are going to grow up thinking they are getting attention only because of their last name and not for who they are.
By the way, the interview with the local TV station---she just came off so fake. I had to snicker at the image on the screen---Kate trying to look so serious and genuine—I keep thinking about the time she was on TV about a year ago, begging for money to pay her bills in her purse! That was before she got the $7,000 makeover. How ironic is that? Anyway, in the interview, she did a lot of hand waving and strange hand gestures, she had the funny puffed chest ( looks like she is wearing water balloons under her shirt), her French manicure, her heels, way very polished hair…everything just reeks of false representation of her family and herself. It was very carefully planned to draw attention to her. It just didn’t come off that realistic. She had a stool to sit but the director had to stand! I did think that was kinda puzzling and I don’t know if anyone else noticed that.
I read that she gave autographs and she brought her own pictures for that purpose. If she was truly donating her time and her faux-celebrity status to a food bank, I wouldn’t think autographs would be one of the top priorities on someone’s donation list. If it was required, then I would have done it on the sidelines and indiscreetly. I don’t know if that was filmed but come on! Do that on your own time.

I’m tried of her---get the children out of the public light!

Miranda said...

Orangina -- I love your name!

On a different subject: Isn't it interesting that Sheeple sometimes turn into un-Sheeple but it never happens the other way around?

Jane in California said...

I think you're probably right orangina. Any person who saw Kate on the day of the food drive, most likely only saw her for a portion of the day - except for purseboy and maybe the children. Therefore, anyone sharing their own experience can only share for the time frame they saw Kate.

Because I would hate to discourage others from sharing their encounters with Kate, I'm not going to nitpick with anyone who posts such an account here. If I find it believable, good enough for me. If I don't, then I generally just ignore it.

SaNdY said...

Because anyone who truly gives, on a year round basis, isn't falling for this supposed selfless act of flying all the way to TN, and spending a mere two hours at a food bank while being interviewed by a radio station. That's not giving back, that's grasping at anything to stay relevant in the eyes of the viewers, and dragging your poor kids along for the miserable ride.
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Jane in California: that is an excellent comment, you nailed it!!

Elizabeth said...

One can easily predict how the future "give-back" episode will go. Just look back at:

Jon and Kate's participation in a big "yard sale" to raise money for child cancer research. She was angry the whole time and provided a perfect opportunity for her to yell at Jon. It appeared that a great deal of what she gave away were items that had been donated to her such as cases of shampoo, etc.. The children made money for themselves by selling something - soda? photos of themselves? Hardest part for Kate? Not many people showed up - even after she called a radio station to announce to the public that "I'm here!"

Kate's participation in giving gifts to children with cancer at St. Jude's research center. Watch how miffed and angry she is as she wraps dozens of presents for the sick children. Best part? Kate arrives she is pulling a wagon with stacks of her book. Kate is so p.o.'ed during the entire episode. Her warm moment with a very sick child? She explains how she can empathize because she had to be on bedrest (how long is it now - 23 months?) when she was pregnant with her little moneymakers. She also pretends to read her kids a book promoting a movie back at the hotel. An awkward moment for sure.

Kate, post divorce, cooking a meal at a Ronald McDonald house. She is a little bit happy because it is essentially all about her making her condescending, "funny" remarks while cooking. Apparently, she ended up donating her gift of a pink vespa to the RM house to auction off. They later returned it to her.

The reason why Kate can't genuinely care about sick kids or people in need is because it ends up being all about them. And narcissistic Kate is all about "me, me, me" all of the time.

Kate is not teaching her children to "give back." She is teaching them that being charitable and caring about others in time of need is annoying.

Protect8 said...

One can easily predict how the future "give-back" episode will go. Just look back at:

Jon and Kate's participation in a big "yard sale" to raise money for child cancer research. She was angry the whole time and provided a perfect opportunity for her to yell at Jon. It appeared that a great deal of what she gave away were items that had been donated to her such as cases of shampoo, etc.. The children made money for themselves by selling something - soda? photos of themselves? Hardest part for Kate? Not many people showed up - even after she called a radio station to announce to the public that "I'm here!"

Kate's participation in giving gifts to children with cancer at St. Jude's research center. Watch how miffed and angry she is as she wraps dozens of presents for the sick children. Best part? Kate arrives pulling a wagon with stacks of her book. Her warm moment with a very sick child? She explains how she can empathize because she had to be on bedrest (how long is it now - 23 months?) when she was pregnant with her little moneymakers. She also pretends to read a book (plug a book and movie) to her kids. An awkward moment for sure. Wonder if she kept reading a chapter a night after they got home.

Kate, post divorce, cooking a meal at a Ronald McDonald house. She is a little bit happy because it is essentially all about witty Kate making condescending, "funny" remarks while cooking. Apparently, she ended up donating her gift of a pink vespa to the RM house to auction off. They later returned it to her.

Kate is not teaching her children to "give back." She is teaching them that being charitable and caring about others less fortunate than themselves is annoying.

couch potato said...

Poor Kate -- so misunderstood!

She'll probably volunteer again -- maybe next spring break. It just has to be at a food bank that's interesting. Maybe someplace she can do some hang-gliding or something exciting.

She might even go to Georgia and work on a Habitat for Humanity house and rub elbows with Jimmy Carter!
She's already done something standing on a ladder wearing a mini-skirt. So she'll have to do a construction activity where her cleavage is showing. Wait -- I think maybe I like the volunteer t-shirts. It covers her stupid tank tops!

I'm almost certain she'll be doing more volunteer work. Of course she wouldn't dream of doing anything without dragging the kids along.

In some strange way, some kind of charity work will happen. Anything has to be better than Kate raising chickens or any of the other stupid episodes.

I'm still not going to watch.

anotherthing... said...

I watched that video that someone linked thru a comment... its been a while since ive seen that many pics of them. Ive peeked at pics here and there, but nothing major.

It struck me, that thru out the photo sequence, there is not one single pic of Kate touching one of her kids. They are all standing back from her, one or two facing her, squared to her, but standing back from her.

Most kids I know, lean into their moms.

In one pic, Kate is leaning over the table signing a pic (*laugh* for who?!) and the kids are all standing min 3 ft away from her, one or two are facing her, watching her.

Now, my friends kids, all of them, in this scenario, would be standing nearly ontop of their moms feet, leaning into their legs, arms wrapped around them. If not that, then wanting to be standing close.

Or mimicking their moms, leaning onto the table also, wanting to sign a pic, wanting to help.

None of them would be standing 3 feet away, staring at her. None. It just looks weird in the pic in the video.

Southern Belle said...

Orangina,

What an interesting name! At first I thought it was a Southern name. But there is lots of natural sunshine in the south.

It must be a Northern name.

It is such a lovely name. It makes me smile.

Aunt Chris said...

Couch Potato, I bet she doesn't even know, or care, who Jimmy Carter is!

just wondering said...

Orangina,
What an interesting name...
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I believe she was referring to Kate's color, lol!

Pony said...

For the record, Orangina is a soft drink made from orange and tangerine juice, lightly carbonated, originally from France, but now available here in the US. It's delicious.

As for Kate volunteering for Habitat for Humanity - I doubt it will happen. In most places, the minimum age to volunteer with Habitat is 16, so the kids are way too young. If they were able to go on a work site, they'd undoubtedly get really dirty. Also, when on a building site, everyone has to wear closed-toe shoes - so Kate wouldn't be able to wear her 5 inch high sandals. Add in the possibility of breaking a nail, and I think - no Kate.

couch potato said...

I had to leave my little couch and go fetch home some vittles for my hubby's lunches. In the front of the store was a large box asking for donations for a local food pantry, and a list of some of the things they needed. So I bought them some peanut butter, chili w/ meat, soup w/ meat, and two different canned fruits. With our lovely 8% tax on food, I think if was close to $10, cause I went for the larger cans.

So why don't I do this every week? I asked myself. Because in my income bracket it makes more sense to write a generous check and then tax deduct it at the end of the year. And that is pretty much what I will do in a couple of weeks when our church has a food drive during the season of lent.

Now, I've sent cans of food to school with my children, or to the scouts. We even took a couple of large boxes of food to the Zoo with the Grandkids last year for the food drive. People can use the cans of food, but it does take a lot of volunteers to sort and transport it. No can of food goes to waste, and every can is appreciated.

But, I think I have to agree with Jane from California. Most people in Kate's income bracket would most likely write a nice generous check.

orangina said...

Hi all! Thanx for the compliments on my name. Yes, Orangina is a snark on Kate's coloring and yes, it is a delicious soda drink-tastes like OJ mixed with Sprite. I highly recommend it.

Proud Grandma said...

Couch Potato, good for you. I feel I contribute more to the fight on world hunger by depositing at least $8 worth of canned food in the food drop each week at my local Safeway, than K8 will ever do. And, apart from here, I dont go announcing it to the World and pat myself on the back. It is the right thing to do and I do what I can afford.

Amy too said...

Wouldn't it be really nice if Kate thought of this idea for her own neighborhood, giving back. Teaching her children to be social at any type of activity.

What are the ages of cub scouts and brownies? they sell candy bars, cookies. All very controlled with den mothers and leaders with them in front of stores. No one would even know those kids if they were not dressed alike and all together, would they? I doubt that.

As for what Kate did in Tn., she is our Katie and we know she did nothing but pretend. How in the world could she pack anything when she does not know how to work. I do believe the backpacks were loaded and she is shown zipping them up.

Other than that, I think TLC has to beg FoodBanks and Shelters to ALLOW her to show up and film, as no resorts are going to give her anything any longer. I could be wrong, someone may want her and her brood, but I do believe her time is up.

I have to say that even on this food bank tape, she looks good, nice great, but good, but once she opens her mouth, the self entitled "me, me, me" comes out. If TLC was interested in her and making her Brand, why in the world aren't they teaching her to talk in a nice manner and not be about "me, me, me" and that I what I hear. I almost expect it to change, but it doesn't. Maybe that is why ET dropped her from interviewing the SWTS because she has those facial expressions and her loud open mouth is too make believe.

What do I know, nothing except she really ruined her chances of being another Rachel Ray or on a talk show with her phoniness.

As for the volunteer who saw her at the food bank, that person never said anything about both days, just what she/he saw.

I have always found those children avoiding contact with Kate since they were potty training age, they stopped saying mommy and said daddy, didn't they? I think so. Jon was the maternal person in their lives not her. Sounds like the kids are afraid of her now.

Nothing like disciplining with threats and beatings.

Oh why would she yell terrible things to men/women trying to take her picture? That is so immature, real Stars don't do that. You can make enemies that way and she seems to have done that.

Once Enjoyed the Show Also said...

Also I think Cara and Mady are fighting back at Kate, not wearing the green tee shirts at the filming in Tn. Yep, they have to watch the tups and they probably say, "but I am not wearing this" and Kate cannot act out on them in front of the Foodbank people, can she?

TLC planned this event, has a list of what can and cannot be done, who Kate can and can't talk to. It is all scripted, scripted, rehearsed, practiced, edited, edited, edited.

Do you think Kate looks at it when it is on TV and is satisfied with the love of Kate look, sound?

I do.

We are now in the last 15 seconds of the 15 min. No one wants to see her.

Isn't it overwhelming that she has become one of the most disliked woman on TV? Her personality has ruined her career.

Wow, she can't see this?

barbee said...

There's an article on TMZ about Kate working the kids during spring break along with the infamous photoshopped bikini cover. WHY don't these idiots use CURRENT pictures of her with their current articles? She no more looks like that photo now than I do! Her face has aged at least 10 years or MORE beyond what they altered it to show. She does not have a firm rounded butt as shown, rather a saggy droopy one. They took away all of her cellulite (wish I could have someone 'photoshop' mine in real life, not just photographs).

How can tlc NOT realize that people have no interest in seeing her do anyting, would rather not see her kids being forced to do anything and would LIKE to see kate and tlc just fold up their tent and sneak away into the night!

Tami said...

What are the ages of cub scouts and brownies? they sell candy bars, cookies. All very controlled with den mothers and leaders with them in front of stores. No one would even know those kids if they were not dressed alike and all together, would they? I doubt that.
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My daughter is in kindergarten and a Daisy Girl Scout. She has done the cookie sale this year. Parents of the scouts were actually asked to stand with them at public sales, 2 parents per shift. No way would Kate allow her kids in something like that nor volunteer to go along with any of the activities either. The boys could be Tiger Cubs now. But it would involve her getting involved with rif-raf. There is a tiny chance she would let a nanny take them, but I'd bet against it. These kinds of things interfere too much with HER lifestyle. The kids have to fit into her life, not the other way around.

orangina said...

So why do Cara and Mady have to "do their jobs" when the G8, as Kate claims, are just playing in front of the cameras? Interesting how she insists those kids don't work, yet they have jobs and aren't allowed to play, or even speak, without getting in trouble.

Also, I think "giving back", as insincere as it is on Kate's part, is a slippery slope for her. On the one hand, she is the biggest grifter out there; she didn't have to go to a food bank because Giant gave her a $5000 gift certificate. I believe her kids were on Medicaid, and I'd bet, WIC. She got more freebies than anyone I can think of. On the other hand, she is so vain and revels in her status as a wealthy person, even though she got there in a shameful fashion. She lives to be exclusive, to pretend she is better/richer than others, and is too vain to acknowledge that she was destitute only a few short years ago. Pretending she doesn't know what a food bank is? Telling her kids this is just the beginning of giving back? Yet blowing over the fact that all that separates her from the food bank recipients is the exploitation of her kids.

And last rant...I am positive that none of the people who gave love offerings or who placed diapers and gift certificates anonymously on their doorstep did so with the intention of helping Kate become a rich woman. I say Kate only because she seems to be the one who has capitalized on the money made/given to the exclusion of her ex-husband and kids. Those generous people could not possibly have donated to that family thinking that their gifts would go towards enabling Kate to pay others to take care of her kids and spend thousands of dollars on plastic surgery, spa treatments, clothes, etc. She is a reptile

Ampersmom said...

Scariest thought of Kate Gosselin is the saying - if momma ain't happy, no body will be happy. She lives up to that saying..and gives real mommas a bad name.

IWannaHoldYourHand said...

Some time ago, we were noticing how Kate doesn't hold hands with her children -- they attempt to hold hands with her but she doesn't reciprocate. While walking with my 8 year old son tonight, I tried to "Kate-hold" his hand, that is without closing my fingers around his hand. He said, "Mom, hold my hand the right way! It doesn't feel right that way." I will NEVER give up 'the right way' to hold my son's hand, and it's a shame Kate doesn't seem to realize how special a moment it is to be walking hand in hand with your child.

couch potato said...

Proud Grandma, I am proud of you for consistently donating to the food bank.

"What you do every day, matters more than what you do once in a while."
I got that from Gretchen Rubin's book, The Happiness Project.

If Kate read Rubin's book, that to be happier, one has to be a better person --- well, I think Kate's head might actually explode.
What if she read something like:
"Money. It's a good servant but a bad master."

Well, Kate might not get it, but I'll bet her kids do.

so sick of her said...

Just read this at:
http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleID=281474979140442
It says that Kate was approached by the people of Vampire Diaries for a part as a Sorceress of the Dance and Kate has accepted and that purse boy quit! on her. So either this is a vicious rumour cause her show is coming back on or TLC is putting out feelers to see if they can get interest in Kate. I don't watch that teen show, so I really don't care. If it is true, I feel sorry for the cast, cause from what I heard Kate is a difficult person to work with, and the fact she has no-talent or acting skills, WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING! LOLOLOL

so sick of her said...

Well, I don't know if this is a spoof/satire or this is real. It was reported by Gather.com, now I'm seeing others and it says spoof/satire? of Vampire Diaries with Kate. Is gather.com a comedy site or legit?

Tami said...

Some time ago, we were noticing how Kate doesn't hold hands with her children -- they attempt to hold hands with her but she doesn't reciprocate. While walking with my 8 year old son tonight, I tried to "Kate-hold" his hand, that is without closing my fingers around his hand. He said, "Mom, hold my hand the right way! It doesn't feel right that way." I will NEVER give up 'the right way' to hold my son's hand, and it's a shame Kate doesn't seem to realize how special a moment it is to be walking hand in hand with your child.

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That is exactly the reaction I had when I tried it with my daughter. She said, "Stop that! Do it right!" Kids do not want you to hold their hand like they have the plague.

Fang Girl said...

Well, I don't know if this is a spoof/satire or this is real. It was reported by Gather.com, now I'm seeing others and it says spoof/satire? of Vampire Diaries with Kate. Is gather.com a comedy site or legit?

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If you go to the spoof site where it first appeared, it give you the name of the writer and clearly states that it is fictional.

http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i93153

So DONE! said...

I am also SO Sorry that I got it wrong! SO SORRY! I wish I had been right and Kate didn't go to the food bank!

Also, where is the video you are talking about?

too bad, so sad said...

Funny about the Kate hand holding. My first graders love to hold my hand when we walk in the hall. I will put my hand out to a child and then get distracted by another one talking to me. If I don't hold their hand tight they will just take their other hand and physically curl my fingers around their hand. Cute actually, I never even thought about it until you described it here. Yes, kids love the enclosed hand holding. Wonder why Kate's kids don't do this.

I Heart Buffy said...

Elizabeth said...
Her warm moment with a very sick child? She explains how she can empathize because she had to be on bedrest...

This pisses me off to no end. I don't hate anyone really, but for THIS comment right there, I hate that vile, selfish woman. There is just no comparison to a suffering child with cancer in pain, & being on effing bedrest while pregnant, with multiples that SHE CHOSE TO HAVE. Such a telling statement about her narcissism. Despicable.

Be Glad to Have Peace & Quiet on our Roads Again said...

Do you think that the G kids even know what a foodbank does or why they were started?

Do these children know about other children who have very little, if nothing? I doubt that.

I find it interesting that one of the boy tups kicked a teacher in school when he was being helped but when Kate is around and a camera is in the boy's face, he pretends it isn't there.

I guess Kate must be there to tell them what to do. When they are away from home, Kate tells them:talk to no one, don't let anyone take your photo, hence the freaking out when the school photos were being taking.

Oh yes, Kate has brain washed these children's mind, except I think the Cara and Mady can hide their identity as they do not dress alike or even look alike, but Kate dresses them in the same Winter coats when she could dress then differently. She could even send 3 to one school and 3 to another school to separate them so that they would learn to socialize.

God forgive her.

Oh no one asked her to appear on Diary of Vampires, although they should, so her big mouth with daggers could fit her just fine. She has that big mouth, she screams, she scares, she is mean and deceitful, so what better part for her, a natural.

Goodbye Katie, start downsizing your living conditions and also you you should start charging Steve Rent, don't you think? room and board and whatever else he gets, maybe he can leave a few dollars on the dresser for you.

Tamara said...

I was hoping someone could give me a rundown of what happened to get Collin and Alexis expelled, and which other tup was suspended before them? I don't watch TLC, and as I am in Britain our tabs don't mention Khate and her cohorts. What happened on picture day? Thank you for rehashing what is semi old news for me.

LancNative said...

I was hoping someone could give me a rundown of what happened to get Collin and Alexis expelled, and which other tup was suspended before them? I don't watch TLC, and as I am in Britain our tabs don't mention Khate and her cohorts. What happened on picture day? Thank you for rehashing what is semi old news for me.

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They had behavioral issues at school. Multiple attempts to work with them were unsuccessful, and they were told that they could no longer continue as students there, so they are being home-schooled. The media reported it as "expelled." Kate denied that they were expelled, but said that they were taken out of school. Technically, she was correct (Kindergarten doesn't use the word "expelled"), but she made it sound like it was her choice. It was a mandatory withdrawal. They couldn't stay there.

Collin didn't "freak out" on picture day. He simply was tired of having his picture taken, and said so. There was no melt-down.

fidosmommy said...

Tamara said...
I was hoping someone could give me a rundown of what happened to get Collin and Alexis expelled, and which other tup was suspended before them? I don't watch TLC, and as I am in Britain our tabs don't mention Khate and her cohorts. What happened on picture day? Thank you for rehashing what is semi old news for me.

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Tamara, the whole story remains
unknown. Only the people connected with the school know what actually happened. But the
rumors we have heard are that the
kids hit at least one other student and one teacher. This was handled as a serious infraction and was probably not the first time they had acted out this way.
Frustration? Deep set anger? Plain ol' bad parenting? We don't know, but whatever it was, it put the kids into homeschooling for at least the rest of the school year.

It has also been said that the little girl who was expelled was previously suspended for awhile.
Again, we don't know the details, because it is all handled privately by the school - which is how it should be.

That said, I think it's good for us to know at least something of what is going on so we can know how much this entire Gosselin
circus is affecting the children.
Truly, we should not even know that these children from central PA have issues any more than we should all know some kid in Liverpool stole a bike from a schoolmate last summer. It should not be national news, but it is national news with the Gosselins because their parental units put them on national TV for us to know all about - the good, the bad and the ugly. Once that curtain of privacy was opened up by the parents and TLC, we started worrying about the welfare of those 8 children.

Kate and Jon put us in the position of peeking in, even while we knew the kids' lives were none of our business. So, we have more info than we should.

another believer said...

Yes, I agree with starz22 saying....

none of the tups know how to socialize, they just take orders in school, like drawing, like hearing a story read to them, like being around a kind person who is teaching them new things about life and possibly learning their numbers, signs and reading. Yet, they go home and Kate has no interest.

She's come undone said...

Be Glad to Have said.......

"Goodbye Katie, start downsizing your living conditions and also you you should start charging Steve Rent, don't you think? room and board and whatever else he gets, maybe he can leave a few dollars on the dresser for you."
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Now that is funny!!! Thanks for the laugh. I needed that today!

Can't See Sheep said...

If they're trying to make it look like k8's turning over a new leaf & being charity diva they should have her out raising money for the people in Japan. No, not send her to Japan to do it, those poor people have been through enough. It'd be like yet another disater for them "oh no, look in blows typhoon k8!" But I mean if you're trying to make someone look charitable a disaster tends to be a perfect oppourtunity. Guess it's just not the easy photo op that TLC & k8 are looking for. And it would probably take more than 2 hours.

Elspeth said...

She makes some excellent points about the lack of protection for reality kids.

http://nortonbooks.typepad.com/everydaysociology/2010/08/reality-television-and-researching-children-ethical-issues.html

Ohio Buckeye said...

re: kids' expulsion: didn't K8G initially state the two expelled 'tups would likely be BACK in school 'soon', as in after the Xmas holidays?

But these two children are still not back in their school as of mid-March?

so sick of her said...

I see it's quiet on the Kate front. No pics of her going to Target, nails, tanning, ups/fed-ex, giant foods, whole foods, whatever or off to NYC for hair or interviews. I wonder how long before purseboy gives her up. This whole giving back thing is gonna fall right on it's face. Kate will do it for maybe 2-3 episodes then right back to her old self, especially if she gets no talk shows, to talk about it and/or the show tanks somemore. Let's not give Kate/TLC anymore ideas, our aim is to get Kate off, so the kids can get off TV. Cause we all know Kate is nothing without those kids.

Hailey Grow Up said...

Mistakenly came upon a Jon story on ROL ...

Listen, sheeple thought she was horrid when she was dating Jon ... loved her once they broke up.

Sheeple ... If Hailey were a grown up ... she'd have stopped thinking AND talking about Jon a long long time ago. She hasn't. Still looking to extend her 15 minutes.

Funny, I haven't heard Jon say anything about Hailey in a long long time ...

Just goes to show ... (several things ... about Hailey and Sheeple)

Really really dumb, for real said...

I don't understand why it's relevant that Hailey Glassman goes back to her old apartment in New York and hugs all the employees and makes a fool of herself...making a video of the whole episode. Why is this "news"?

Stupid stupid people. Another attempt to bring attention to the whole Jon Gosselin fiasco in light of Kate's need for press for her "big return"?

Who knows...it's just really dumb.

I Heart Buffy said...

Just read this at:
http://entertainment.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleID=281474979140442
It says that Kate was approached by the people of Vampire Diaries for a part as a Sorceress of the Dance and Kate has accepted and that purse boy quit! on her. So either this is a vicious rumour cause her show is coming back on or TLC is putting out feelers to see if they can get interest in Kate. I don't watch that teen show, so I really don't care. If it is true, I feel sorry for the cast, cause from what I heard Kate is a difficult person to work with, and the fact she has no-talent or acting skills, WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING! LOLOLOL

This is NOT TRUE. Did you read the name of the website or at the bottom where it says "This is an absolutely made up story?" This is where rumors get started. People need to be more careful & read the whole page.

LancNative said...

re: kids' expulsion: didn't K8G initially state the two expelled 'tups would likely be BACK in school 'soon', as in after the Xmas holidays?

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Could be, but I didn't think she gave a time frame. I thought she just said "soon." There's no way it would have been after the holidays because of the calendar year. The first trimester ended the day before Thanksgiving; the second trimester ended the day before spring break. They wouldn't have come back in the middle of a trimester (after the holidays).

Kia Ora said...

Re talking about her going to disaster areas. Keep her away. Wasn't there a hellava todo about the LPBW women Amy & a couple of her kids going to Haiti disaster? They went there on one of the largest liners built. Lived the life of Riley (on TLC tab) while all those poor Haistians were (are still) living in squalor. That would suit her great, an all expense paid cruise trip, just touch your foot in the sand at said disaster, hand out some water, and off again to another island.

New York, NY said...

We are a group of child therapists, and during a week long workshop not long ago...we starting talking about Reality TV, children who appear on those shows for money.

We never met the G family, but from a tape that someone had put together from tapes, clips of interviews, utube moments, we came up with some opinions, not based on meetings or interviews.

One of our group monitors your blog. Hence, the posting.

We found that volunteers, nannies and babysitters are the people who have bonded with the children and, the father. We don't see much evidence of this with their mother.She displays short temper, insensitive attitude, domineering personality.
We found that the babies crying in their cribs after waking up from a nap for an hour at times, abuse. Whether they did it for filming, we don't know, but babies, screaming and crying was similar to the orphanages in 3rd world countries.

Also, the older the children become, the more unhappy the mother becomes.

Nor do we hear the mother compliment or speak of the children's accomplishments in school, activites.

The mother does use one twin's sport ability to put down the other twin's inability to enjoy sports. Yet this twin does have artistic ability which is never acknowledged by the mother.

We found the father to be very weak and the reason the mother took control of the household.

His way of reacting to the wife was to leave when she told him to leave. He escaped.

People do find themselves hurting for money and will do almost anything. The G family is an example of that.

Yet, the mother is happy, laughing when the children are not around, in interviews, recently with G. Lopez, in which she flirts, wears a short skirt and loves receiving compliments about her looks. It bolsters her good feelings about herself.

That is about all I feel comfortable saying about our workshop in which the G family was discussed and we observed the film footage.

Abuse? yes to a degree. These are 8 children who do not seem to mature in their manner, speech, action as children should. Very little laughter. Always some crying, screaming and unsupervised fighting.


The children have lost a lot in their short lives: family/friends/father/dogs
and you ask about the 2 asked to leave school?

These 8 children are very unhappy. For some, school is a release, for others, well they are trying to tell the school teachers how angry they are. The school witnesses it but without the parents co parenting, nothing else can be done by the school, so yes they would be asked to leave as their anger, striking out is dangerous to their classmates.

Hopefully, the father will insure that these children regain contact with their relatives again.

Did we find the mother hopeless? Not if she seeks counseling and prepares for her lack of fame in the future as we didn't see a person with a promising future in TV. Again we never met her.

If the ex spouses can learn to co parent, these 8 children could possibly have a normal life.


Have tried to keep this short, but failed. I hope I was grammatically correct, if not, I apologize.

so sick of her said...

I Heart Buffy: I got the message. :)Gather.com was the first thing that came up, on google. After I posted, 20 min later the rest of the satire sights showed up. It is a scary thought if she was contacted, by them. The sheeple would have field day. Like they do whenever Kate is on TV or in a mag, good or bad. Twisted people.
New York, NY: love your post. Kate also has this inability to feel for anyone or thing. She can bush off a person or animal without feeling guilty. It's like she is missing a gene. Normal people would feel some kind of guilt, it's like she has 5 min guilt. Like that idiot college kid, who whined and complained about Japanese student calling Japan, to find out if their families and friends were OK(on youtube and she was KO by everyone and warned by the college and apologized). Heartless, no feeling. I could give many examples of Kate having no feeling for her kids, husband, relatives, service people, animals, etc. but most everyone here has seen it.

Spring Has Sprung said...

NY commented - "We found the father to be very weak and the reason the mother took control of the household."

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I believe the opposite to be true. She was in control from the very beginning; hence, he was submissive. In a battle of wills, she won. She didn't take control BECAUSE he was weak. He was weak because she made him that way. He never had a chance.


"These 8 children are very unhappy. For some, school is a release, for others, well they are trying to tell the school teachers how angry they are."

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Without observing them at school, or speaking to them or their teachers, I don't know how you can make this determination. They could ALL be telling the teachers how angry they are, but only two of then acted out to the point of having to leave.

"People do find themselves hurting for money and will do almost anything. The G family is an example of that."

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I guess it depends on what you regard as "hurting for money." They had the inheritance his father left, and in addition, both had jobs, donations, government-funded childcare, gifts, free food, etc. I'm not so sure that they were as destitute as they led people to believe they were.

"Did we find the mother hopeless? Not if she seeks counseling and prepares for her lack of fame in the future as we didn't see a person with a promising future in TV."

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Agreed. However, in order to seek counseling, she has to admit that there is a problem. That's never going to happen.

Kia Ora said...

New York, NY I feel your group are very accurate. I may just vary a bit about Jon "being weak". I would imagine living in that house hold was like walking on egg shells. So he just did what he had to do to keep the peace. Which maybe comes across as weak, but he made up for it in otherways.

Kia Ora said...

I forgot to add. Everytime Jon came through the garage door into the kitchen, at the other house, he always greeted the children, who ran to him, and had a eye up at her as if to say "what kind of night am I in for"? To himself.

Mirarnda said...

To New York, NY:

Thanks so much for your insights.

I get that you're not trying to put forth definitive diagnoses of the G's, but simply offering your group's professional hypotheses. I found them interesting and thought-provoking.

Amy too said...

Wow, that New York group was good.

Considering they depended on film footage and interviews. I always thought no matter what I saw on TV, it could be edited, so one never knew what really was going on and after all it is TV, but the interviews with Kate, well that is when you saw a more selfish, self centered, domineering, phony.

She really was all about herself and never acknowledged the kids except to talk about bedrest for a year or two, but never really talked with adoration about her children and I thought that was sad.

Then when she started changing her looks, I knew it was all about her for sure.

Guess a lot of therapists look at those reality shows because it seems to be the thing of now and the future, especially with you tube and all the stuff I didn't have as a kid, thank God.

I know it seems that Jon was weak when he didn't fight back but he was and is madly in love with his children and I hope he can save them.

So I pray that Kate gets her own TV show of dating, whatever and then Jon will get the kids cause I think she would give them up in a TV minute if she got her own show. No way does she love her kids, she never thought they were going to be so much work.

Someone said the New York folks don't know about the school thing and the 2 tups but I do. I teach and usually kids adjust and like the playful arena of K and 1 & 2 grade, they are my fav grades, but when
kids are angry, abused, upset by their lives, they do act out either then or when they are teenagers. It does come out.

I wish I could talk to the New York group as I would ask my Kate isolates those kids and drags them around.

so sick of her said...

Amy too: The reason Kate isolates the kids, is for control. Think about all the countries out there in the world, where a Dictator rules. Isolate the people, keep outsiders out, news out, you have control, and the people are afraid. Like big brother watching, you are afraid to move. Like Hitler did to the German people, they were afraid of their own children, reporting them. Kate knows if the children are questioned, or people see what really goes on in that mcmanion, she could lose custody of those kids. Children only act out if something is bothering them. Or home is not what the rest of the world is seeing. Abuse comes in many forms. They may never have anything physical, but mentally Oh yeah. Why, do you think cults, can tell a person to kill someone, or kill themselves, cause the first thing they do is isolate them from their families. Fill a need, tell them what they want to hear. Pimps do the same thing. It's a form of brain-washing. JMO

Mary said...

New York NY said:
We found the father to be very weak and the reason the mother took control of the household.
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I have to agree with others concerning this statement. I do not believe Jon is weak. Unfortunately, that is the way it appears. If you have watched Kate over the years you can tell that you cannot confront her about anything without suffering the wrath of Kate. I believe there are many people who are involved with her that are afraid of her including the children.

I believe Jon did try to stand up to her when they weren't on camera. Previous neighbors said they could hear them arguing. I believe after a while a person gets to feeling defeated and figures why bother. Really, can anyone win when they are dealing with a narcissist?

I appreciate your sharing the views of your group. It's always interesting to hear other opinions.

Carezee said...

Just wondering. With Kate and the kids being gone so much, is the dog still around? Or was this another opportunity to get rid of the dog?

Tamara said...

I was cruising youtube to see some of the recent bits when I stopped to watch some of Joelgate. I was shocked to hear Khate say "It's probably why I don't mind doing laundry." !!!! I thought she claimed the reason none of her kids could have fun was because of the laundry Bane-Of-Kate's-Existance #4

Jane in California said...

"We found the father to be very weak and the reason the mother took control of the household."
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I'm no expert in anything, but here's my two cents.

I say that Kate selected Jon as a mate exactly because he was passive (or "weak" if you will) and she could manipulate him, bully him, or push him into doing her bidding. He had the added bonus of having a wealthy and indulgent father.

Kate would never have lasted, nor wanted, a relationship that was equal between partners. It's Kate's way or the highway.

Jon did not make Kate take charge - Kate is a take charge, accept nothing but full and prompt obedience to her will.

Exhausted said...

It always bothered me how the kids were trapped in their cribs/rooms during nap or bed time, and they did not have the freedom to ever change their schedule. Almost every parent knows that you have to be flexible with children. I can't tell you how many times we thought we were going to get something done during nap time only to hear a cry on the monitor to tell us our plans were canceled. But I wouldn't change that for a minute. Kate's kids were virtually prisoners. Those nap times must have seemed like an eternity when they didn't/couldn't sleep.

I think this is where so many sheeple were won over by Kate. She gave them validation to treat their kids like animals. If she was lauded as a super mother for being so cold, then maybe there was hope for them and their basic dislike of all things parenting. I think there were other reasons, of course, for the sheeple fan base, but this is one of them.

Sunrise, Sunset said...

Amy said, "I wish I could talk to the New York group as I would ask my Kate isolates those kids and drags them around.

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I don't think anyone needs to talk to therapists or mental health professionals to figure this one out. It's a no-brainer. She drags them around because they are commodities - TLC has set them up to be moneymakers and that's why she drags them around -- to pad her bank account!

jon isn't weak said...

NY,NY, loved your post. Interesting that your group noticed that Kate seemed to become increasingly unhappy the older the kids got...very true IMO.

I know that Jon came off as weak on the show, but I don't believe he really is/was. Rather, he is a gentle man who loved his wife and kids and tried his best to make her happy (impossible, btw) and keep the peace. I think kate's personality is ingrained; she is a mean, insensitive bully and does not treat anyone with the respect they deserve. Jon put up with her crap not because he is weak, but because he had to or he would suffer abuse from Kate and lose the family he loved. Also, someone had to bathe and care for the kids and clearly, she would rather pay someone (multiple nannies) or bully someone (Jon, Beth, Jodi) into doing it when it would be just as easy to do it herself.

Zuuto said...

"I think this is where so many sheeple were won over by Kate. She gave them validation to treat their kids like animals. If she was lauded as a super mother for being so cold, then maybe there was hope for them and their basic dislike of all things parenting."

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Good insight. That's something that I've always thought but never actually verbalized in a forum - that the Kate fans are probably bitter divorcees who are probably bad parents as well. They see something of themselves or their situations in Kate and desperately want to feel good about themselves so they flock to her - while the rest of the rational world looks at Kate and thinks "what a mean narcissist."

In other words, she gives her fans an excuse to not look inwards: "See? It happened to her too! It's not my fault my husband left me. It's not my fault my kids hate me."

What's so fascinating about this is Jon's post-divorce meltdown - multiple women, drinking, carousing, anger, etc. In fact, it took a year and a judge's gag order to get him to calm down.

So there's no clear-cut "good guy/bad guy" here. Taken alone, this fact would be interesting - it's what makes reality shows what they are. But whenever the Kate fans are backed into a corner by something Kate does that's just completely indefensible, they reach back and use Jon's behavior as a smoke screen, an excuse. Again, vigorously defending Kate beyond all reason, almost as if their brains have shut off.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sunrise, Sunset said...
Amy said, "I wish I could talk to the New York group as I would ask my Kate isolates those kids and drags them around.
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Abusers' MO is to isolate, isolate, isolate. Jon has said that Kate would become angry with him if he wanted to see his family, telling him that he was choosing them over her and the kids.
That's isolation. An abuser will do this slowly and systematically to gain control.
The children are isolated on their property, isolated from family and kept in their own family unit.
The chances that outside influences will affect them are minimized this way.
Outside of school, they have precious little external contact, with the majority of their free time being usurped by filming and travel.

Miranda said...

Amy said:

I wish I could talk to the New York group as I would ask my Kate isolates those kids and drags them around.


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Me too, Amy. It would be interesting to get a real professional's take on what's going on in that mind of hers.

Miranda said...

Tucker's Mom said:


Abusers' MO is to isolate, isolate, isolate...


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So accurate and soooooo creepy.

TLC=DEVIL said...

When Alexis was first suspended for 2 weeks, I may be wrong about the time, but weren't the first words out of her mouth something like

You have embarrassed me?

that spoke volumes of what Kate is about, external appearance.

that is why she isolates them, she does not want anyone, especially her fans/possible viewers, to think there is anything wrong with her.

The show with K8 when she dragged them around NY was one of the saddest clips I ever saw, hot, falling asleep, on top of that bus, having ice cream shoved in their faces at the same time she had her nanny put paper towels around them.

Then the boat trip with the vomiting. OH TLC, you will burn in hell for what you allow to happen to these children.

dustilies said...

TLC=DEVIL wrote
When Alexis was first suspended for 2 weeks, I may be wrong about the time, but weren't the first words out of her mouth something like

You have embarrassed me?

that spoke volumes of what Kate is about, external appearance.

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I remember that remark being reported. I don't know how credible the source is, but it certainly expresses the world view of a narcissist.

Everything is about Kate and her endlessly fascinating needs and wishes.

Most of us parents fall into the trap of seeing our kids as extensions of ourselves and as the ambassadors from our family into the world. Who better represent us well and never let on what's "wrong" at home.

But most (some?) of us catch ourselves and realize how sort of sad and desperate that mindset is. Kate, of course, doesn't have it in her to understand what a healthy parent-child relationship looks like.

Mom In Lancaster County said...

Kate, of course, doesn't have it in her to understand what a healthy parent-child relationship looks like.

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Dustilies, good points. Don't you think that there is no healthy parent-child relationship because of the pack mentality? They are seen as a unit; therefore, because there is no individuality, she cannot relate to just one child, but sees them as a single unit. If one child doesn't live up to her expectations, or embarrasses her, ALL of the children are guilty in her eyes.

I wonder if any kind of parent-child relationship ever developed with the twins when they were babies and toddlers, or if she saw them as a unit...a small unit, yes, but a unit nonetheless. It appears that Mady certainly broke free of that twin syndrome and was able to be her own person.

Wait until Kate becomes the mother of eight teenagers who are off and running in all directions. She'll pull out those $7,000 hair extensions in clumps!

Protect8 said...

Narcissistic mothers say:

Look how you made me look!
You embarrassed me!
How could you have embarrassed ME like that?
How could you make me look like that! (look bad)
Look what you did to our family.
It's your fault there are problems in the family.
I've done everything for you.
I sacrificed (fill in the blank) for you.

And so on ... it's never ending.

And filling the narcissitic mother's ego is a bottomless pit.

Be Glad to Have Peace & Quiet on our Roads Again said...

Yes I did view Kate grabbing Alexis' shoulder so hard and physically turn her around by her shoulder socket. You can view it.

Alexis was rubbing and rubbing her shoulder and arm.

This is a little person, who could not sit still through an interview on national TV with CBS TV and right in the middle of the interview, Alexis turns to her brother and Kate says" excuse me" and that should brutally does what I described above.

The interviewer said, "well, I guess I will have to remember that" and she was shocked, as you will be when you see it.

You has been hurting that little girl since, I guess forever.

Isn't that enough to get her challenged by Human Services? It is on National TV.

Also I think that Kate misses Jon, oh yes she does. If nothing is going on with Steve who sleeps in the basement (oh sure) then why isn't she at least having dinner with anyone, anywhere, anytime? TLC would do that for publicity, fix her up with someone.

She thought she didn't want Jon, but right now, as the publicity dies down and really when you look at you tube, you realize that there use to be all types of publicity and the paps would run after her.

No need to anymore, she flunked Personality 101, Motherhood 100, Interview Technique 100, Appearance 100 and she will be gone very soon.

No matter what they do in the next year, TLC will not have anything to do with her after this contract expires as she has no ability to draw the viewers. Not anything like she use to.

It will be interesting to see the difference in the children as they become more and more controlled by themselves, not open and free like a 2 yr old, but stilted in their behavior.

kate can't do sh** said...

How interesting I find this....just came across some old photos (TMZ)of Kate and Ted Gibson, when he was her BFF way back when. They were leaving Butter. So apparently she just meets this guy and they are glued to each other like warts on a toad. Arm in arm. Her buddy for life or rather, please like me Ted. I'm trying so hard to be famous. I can't believe I am with you right now and I'm just that nobody from nobodyville. Just shows you how fake and temporary the whole Hollyweird scene is. So phony and plastic. No substance. Just a-holes wanting the spotlight and wanting the world to idolize their every move. Makes me sick quite frankly. I hope Kate is now realizing she was the flavour of the month once and that is about it. Well, not even that but her gig was based upon people wanting to see her next boring move. There was no adoration for talents or achievements. Nope. Just sick curiousity by the public to see how she would land next. I bet she pines for the days when the paps were following her every move as she put her ear to her pink phone and pretended to talk to no one at the other end. Now she's stuck with 8 kids she seems to resent as each year passes and her body is aging as fast as her kids are growing. You reap what you sow baby.

Tami said...

I agree that Jon is definitely weak. He enabled all of this. Saying he's not weak he was just keeping the peace, etc, means that yes, he was weak and afraid to confront her. It does not make him a bad person, but he is not a strong person who can stand up for himself. Look how he got suckered in by Hailley, Lohan, Majors.."fame" Steve has pretty much taken over his role of father a large percentage of the time. He always backed down, always will. He came crawling to her and offered public apologies when she slammed him again and again. Instead he should have been choosing his lawyers more carefully and fighting her in court. He opens his mouth and she tells her lawyers to threaten him. She opens her mouth on tv again and again and again and he does nothing of the sort. She ruled the house and that is the kind of woman he knew he was choosing. How do we know he never put his foot down? Look how ONE TIME he told her to take the stick out, which is a pretty mild comment and probably common among many couples. But you would have thought he told her he was going to gut her like a fish. She went on and on about that like not only was it the first time ever he stood up to her, but that he had some nerve even thinking he was allowed to talk back to mommy.

JoyinVirginia said...

So has Ms. kreider been abandoned by her personal pap Chris? Anyone know what happened there? Just curious.

cali-girl said...

Joining this board just to say I was appalled when, after running through the streets of NYC with dripping ice cream cones, Kate abusively pushed Collin down on the open-air bus seat. I even re-wound to be sure I really saw that action. Perhaps TLC has removed that from its clips, but if anyone else remembers seeing this, please comment/confirm here. How could TLC allow this treatment of a child to happen? (I'm beyond asking how KATE could allow this!) Why wouldn't Jon use this incident to push for custody?

K8TERH8TER said...

Just read Kate will be appearing on an episode of the Vampire Diaries. Isn't this a teen show? Also in same article it states this gig came at a good time for her since she is upset over the fact that her bodyguard is now gone! HMMM.....

A Dream Is A Wish... said...

I agree that Jon is definitely weak. He enabled all of this. Saying he's not weak he was just keeping the peace, etc, means that yes, he was weak and afraid to confront her.
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Those who are calling him weak don't know him. He most certainly is not weak. He can stand up for himself. What you are calling "weak," I would call "passive." There's a difference. Why might he be passive? Take a look at what he had to live with -- the explosive tirades, the berating, the brow-beating. In order to keep things civil between them (and because he had to live with her) he learned not to evoke the wrath of Kate. Why? BECAUSE OF THE KIDS! I believe if they hadn't been on the scene, things would have been much different and he would not have backed down, as you put it. He can stand his own ground.

However, what kind of a life is that for the children, who have to live in that house, be around two parents who are constantly fighting, and one parent who certainly could make life a living hell for her husband if she was challenged on anything? The children didn't deserve to be the innocent victims in all of that, and you better believe that if he would have been more assertive, the more combative she would have been, and those kids would have been caught in the crossfire.
Was he weak? No. Passive? Yes...for a reason.

"He opens his mouth and she tells her lawyers to threaten him. She opens her mouth on tv again and again and again and he does nothing of the sort."

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Why should he? To keep this battle going on national television? Should it be a public war? Should the kids be exposed to that? Should he speak out against her? The kids would hear about it if he did. He absolutely does the right thing by not making comments and taking her on. You can't win with her. Do you realize that this is exactly what she wants -- him to retaliate just so she can go back on television to set the record straight? She USES him for publicity. He's not falling for that, so if he doesn't respond to her comments, she has no excuse to go back to the media to continue to bash him. You don't keep a debate going. This isn't a ping pong tournament. Weak? Nope. That's being very wise on his part. He knows exactly what he is doing.

Laurie said...

K8TERH8TER said...
Just read Kate will be appearing on an episode of the Vampire Diaries.
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Look a little more closely that article was a joke and not meant to be taken seriously.

fidosmommy said...

H8TERK8TER,

I think that rumor was an attempt to be funny. I think the disclaimer is at the bottom of the original article about Kate and the Vampire Diaries. It's fake.

Proud Grandma said...

cali-girl said...
Joining this board just to say I was appalled when, after running through the streets of NYC with dripping ice cream cones, Kate abusively pushed Collin down on the open-air bus seat. I even re-wound to be sure I really saw that action. Perhaps TLC has removed that from its clips, but if anyone else remembers seeing this, please comment/confirm here. How could TLC allow this treatment of a child to happen? (I'm beyond asking how KATE could allow this!) Why wouldn't Jon use this incident to push for custody? ..............

I went to You tube and found that clip and yes, she did push him down, looked like she pushed him on the chin.
Actually that clip was awful as it showed a totally classless female looking like a slut in her shorts, halter top and high heeled sandles running a couple of blocks through NYC with dripping Ice cream for her kids. That was not for the kids, it was for her "Look NYC here I am, the great Kate Gosselin, see me in my bus with my little money makers, no need to look at them, it's really me you are all out in Times Square to see".
She is unreal.

Tami said...

Kate does not need Jon speaking up in order to find something to go on tv to lie about. He chose to sit in the house for years and put up with her. He wasn't doing that for the kids. The kids seeing their dad hen-pecked (and probably growing up with NO respect for him) is a good thing? Saying, "Your behavior is inappropriate, I'm not going to put up with it and you are not going to get what you want" is the adult thing to say. Doing her bidding and seething for years until you finally blow a gasket and go out and make an utter fool of yourself is not the right way to go. You teach people how to treat you. You teach your kids how to treat others by letting them know what is and is not acceptable. I know about this from a personal experience. You allow mental and emotional abuse then you condone letting kids watch someone physically abuse their spouse as well. If you "can't win" with her, no matter what you say or do, it's not going to get any worse. She already makes it hell on earth for everyone. What you choose to put up with is another thing.

Shoshanna said...

Mady was the oracle!
Years back, I remember people reacting negatively to her. But I always thought she was the smartest one of all of them, the only one who had the guts to stand up to Kate and tell her how she felt.

I remember when the little kids were having a huge fuss made over their birthday and a crew member, off camera, asked Mady how she was feeling. She said something to the effect that she was angry because the little kids were getting so much attention and she and Cara never did.

Right then, I realized how significant what she said was, how honest and open - and Kate paid no attention to it! It was a cry for help, at the very beginning of the craziness, but it fell on deaf ears.

How sad for all involved. This was a foreshadowing of all that insanity that was to follow. Cara and Mady were not the moneymakers and so were forced to feel like second-class siblings.

The repercussions of the treatment they've received will be far-reaching and long-lasting, I'm afraid.

Honesty is never rewarded in that family. Just shut up and follow the TLC agenda, kid, and take your seat in the back of the bus.

Mother of ten said...

Money can make people crazy.
That's why I don't have any.

Miranda said...

Shoshanna said...

Mady was the oracle!
Years back, I remember people reacting negatively to her. But I always thought she was the smartest one of all of them...

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I've always felt a special affection for Mady as well. She was the canary in the mine, crying out for help long before people figured out how bad things were.

so sick of her said...

It just makes me a little crazy, when they say, Kate and kids have been around the world. Really, have they been to Europe, Russia, India, Canada(w/kids), South America, Central America, England/Ireland. Just cause she has been to Mexico(without kids), Canada(without kids) and Aussie/NZ, does not make the kids or Kate a world traveler. The media needs to get their facts strait. I think Kate thinks that Alaska is a country. And probably LA and NYC LOLOLOL

so sick of her said...

Mom in Lancaster: I've always said that Kate has only 3 kids not 8. She has one 10 year, one 6 year old girl and one 6 year old boy, the rest are clones. She does see then as unit, 6 packs, group, not as individuals. She dresses them alike, even tries to get the twins to dress a like, though, we can see, she must fight a lot with them on that issue. You go girls. G8: keep saying to your selves: I am not a unit, group, team or 6-pack, I am an individual.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking said...

He chose to sit in the house for years and put up with her. He wasn't doing that for the kids.

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He certainly wasn't doing it for himself! He's not a masochist. It's very easy to sit and be a Monday morning quarterback, saying he did this for this reason; he should have done this, etc. etc., but unless one was actually in that house and knew exactly what was going on, that's all it is -- looking at it from afar and making judgment calls. I don't care if one had a personal experience. It's not Jon's personal experience.

faline said...

It always bothered me how the kids were trapped in their cribs/rooms during nap or bed time, and they did not have the freedom to ever change their schedule.
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I agee! The other thing that always bugged me about always being the "same" was they always had to sit in the same seats at the kitchen table. They had this cute U shaped table as infants, but each tup sat in the same exact seats every day.
To be fair,it was probably easier that way when you have six at once.Then when I got a handle on it, I would have placed the kids in different seats to add a little variety. Each kid would be learning to socialize at mealtimes with a new buddy.

Monster Mommy said...

For Shoshanna...

Your thoughts on Mady made me realize once again, that my own little sister is Mady Gosselin.

She is often excruciating to live with... But in the end- my sister is honest, up-front, and the most loyal friend I have. (Next to my hubby ;)

In watching the show throughout the years, I have thought about how Mady will grow up. 'Will she be like my sister, XXXXX?' and so forth? It's weird. If Mady ends up remotely like her, Kate is in for a hell-of-a wild ride! My parents still shudder when she has an episode. Something tells me Kate is going to be VERY embarrassed at some point, and it won't be pretty. The photos of Mady, usually bawling her eyes out before/during/after filming, are so disturbing.

As for the upcoming (ah-hem) specials, I will not be watching. From what I've heard, this is it.

AA and proud said...

Mady & Cara posted a sign on their bedroom, no cameras, didn't they? Kate would allow those "Daddy"
camera men to go anywhere. John had the common sense to realize that the Camera "daddies" were MEN and had no place in his young daughter's bedroom.

I am a recovering Alcoholic. For over 20 yrs. I recognize the look of drinking in someone. We AA members know the ups and downs of personalities, not all, but we recognize each other.

At an AA meeting the other day, I listened to someone compare herself to Kate Gosselin and how she treats her children, her she stopped eating and exercised to excess.

She said she chased her kind husband away by abuse, beatings, finally having an affair. I immediately thought of Steve.

Luckily or her 3 kids, she did make amends, become friendly with her husband and enjoys being a grandmother. She said that when she looks at Kate on the internet or TV, she sees her own behavior when she was drinking, very erratic.

Not saying Kate is an alcoholic or she is having an affair with Steve, but when you hear something like this, you do think of how Kate was once cute, loving to her family and friends and how now she doesn't have much except money and 8 confused childen.

She did use to eat big veggie meals at dinner time and liked to cook, or seemed that way. She was healthy looking and really kind of cute, someone at the meeting said.

Strange but the conversation afterward became about her and how others thought she was really crazy from the power and the drinking.

Someone said that Kate co hosted The View for a week and afterward when Kate was on DWTS, Whoopi called her an Angry Bitch.

Whoopi had her number someone said because Whoopi use to be a drug addict and she recognized the characteristics of addiction, whether is was power, alcohol, drinking, eating or lack of eating.

But the subject of Jon brought sympathy that he managed to stay as long as he did if the abuse was that bad.

Also AA said...

Yep, Whoopi had the nerve/guts to call it like she saw it on DWTS an angry bitch.

Remember her belitteling Tony? He quit and she said to him, when someone talked him into going back in, "everyone always quits me" wow, that spoke volumes about Kate's behavior.

Instead of thinking maybe Kate should have listened, asked more questions or concentrating, she just up and told Tony he couldn't teach. She hit him between the eyes with that. Here was a long time professional who teaches dance instructors and she felt like she could tell anyone off.

Then when he came back in, he had to apologize as she sat and cried about poor her.

Yep, she may have a problem causing her anger.

Cause ain't anyone said anything about her as a kind, have they?

Was she a maniac as a child?

Rose said...

I had a close relative who was an alcoholic and I've long thought that Kate had too many characteristics in common for it to be mere coincidence.

Ampersmom said...

If the past stories of Kate wanting multiples are true, the Kate fell for the "be careful of what you wish for because you may just get it and find you don't really want it" Maybe even with all the help she received and still receives, the multiples are more work then she ever thought they would be. Especially as they get older. Goes with the other old saying - " the magic wears off of everything and then reality occurs."

fidosmommy said...

Ampersmom, I think you're right.
They also say "small children =
small problems, big childeren = big problems." The older the kids get, the bigger the problems will be. If Kate thinks changing all those "poopy diapers" was hard, or keeping them clean was hard, wait until she has to deal with 8 kids who had a rough day at school or who have boy/girlfriend problems. She ain't seen nothing yet.

I hope these kids have somebody they can go talk to when these
"big problems" strike. I can't see Kate as a sympathetic listener.

1momski said...

AA and proud said...
Thank you for your insightful post. It is encouraging to hear that you and others are able to recover from addiction and become healthy. I wish this for Kate, if only for the sake of her children. I suspect that at this point, she is too ego driven to take an inventory of herself but if she continues to lose her ratings appeal, she may be forced to look at what she and her life has become.