How Could Kate Cut Expenses and Realistically Increase Her Income?

What are the realistic steps could take to return the normal life that is awaiting her?

59 comments:

so sick of her said...

She would have to get rid of the mcmansion, the tanning, extra cars, landscaping, pool cleaning, trainer, bodyguard, private school, nannys, cook , cleaning people, nail salon, hair salon trips. Did I cover everything? She would also need to get a financial advisior, and invest money to make money. Change her attitude. It would have to be a 360 turn. She wounldn't do it.

Big Wooden Spoon said...

If I were Kate, I'd hire ONE full-time, live-in PROFESSIONAL nanny.
Nanny could call on the teenaged sitters if she needed them. That would free Kate up to pursue her nursing career (please God, not direct patient care!)
She could also sell the McMansion, move into a nice neighborhood, and send those kids to public school. (The money saved there could cover therapy of all 8 of them -- not really a money-saver, but a much better use of the money)
I also think that those children are old enough to start helping with chores -- getting them started would require some serious discipline, I realize, and that isn't going to happen, but Kate could do away with a lot of household help if the children did their share.
Then there is, of course, the matter of Kate's street(walker) attire -- she could save a lot of money if she dressed normally. And don't even get me started on her grooming expenses.
She could also save a bunch if she let Jon have the kids more often.

Not likely that Queen Katie Irene will do any of those practical things, but that's what I would do. In fact, that is exactly what I did when I got divorced!

Ohio Buckeye said...

- SELL THE 'MINE ALL MINE' MANSION
- garage sale/consignment shop her hooker attire
- trade in her vehicles for more economical modes of transportation
- put the kids in public school
- forget "Nobu" and "Mr. Chow" and start going back to the "Shady Maple"
- Get a library card and membership in Netflix to replace her wild dreams of Hollywood Lifestyle entertainment venues
- GET A REAL JOB

barnaby said...

It's easy to see where expenses could be cut. I'll leave that to others.

But realistically increase income? She has no talents and is going to have to struggle to come up with any new income. Hopefully there is some money saved, but I bet she has simply had things paid for by TLC and her actual take home income, after the perks were subtracted, was much smaller than the various reported sums.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Oh, and forego the mani's, pedi's and tanning sessions

Bid a permanent farewell to cosmetic procedures including expensive hairdo's/extensions

Learn to love PA and consider it her "StayCation Central"

Fire ALL the household help, including the Not-A-Nannies

Mom In Lancaster County said...

...forget "Nobu" and "Mr. Chow" and start going back to the "Shady Maple"

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I was trying to decide where to go for supper tonight! Thanks for the suggestion -- Shady Maple it is!

Actually, Shady Maple is too far away for her (40 minutes). She needs to find some good down-home country diners in her area.

Virginia said...

Love the Red Plate in Wernersville!

Monster Mommy said...

* Kart should definitely stop purchasing the hooker heels.
She looks like Payless Shoes had a 'BOGO Sale'... and she went berserk. Seriously, they are not flattering, nor stylish- and they make her look cheap. If she wants to land a RICH man by 2012, we've got to stop the madness and find some sensible clod-hoppers.

* Next, she's got to curb the penchant for all things Organic. A $5.00 Organic lollipop is still made with the same basic ingredient... sugar.

Kate, you ignorant slut.

* If she quit with the sobbing and histrionics, she might save a bundle on Kleenex.

* Lose the extensions as well. On most days, her hair looks like a baby eagle has taken up residence there... and must spend it's days viciously defending its' yellowish nest, from dangerous predators.

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

- Stop losing her damn pink iPhone(s).

- Travel in a covered wagon, much like the Amish in Pennsylvania use.

- Switching her car insurance to Geico.

Jane in California said...

First, put the McMansion up for sale, and hope to make a slight profit to use as a healthy downpayment on a smaller home with a smaller mortgage.

Two - say good bye to purse boy. She doesn't need a body guard.

Three, as others have already said, cut out all the tanning, manicures, and expensive hair stylists. Paint her own nails, buy Jergen's Glow for self-tanning, and go to a local, reasonably priced salon every 7-8 weeks for hair care.

Let all the nannies go except for one part-time helper that comes in for a few hours in the afternoon to help with dinner prep and homework time. Slowly wean herself off that luxury over the course of a year. She had the kids, now she needs to raise them.

No more designer labels clothing, unless she buys it gently used on eBay or elsewhere.

Four - if she's still paying or leasing the expensive vehicle, get rid of it. Buy a used Subaru or other reliable vehicle, for cash. No car payments.

Take the children out of private school and put them into public school. Let them get some help for any learning delays they have.

Finally, get a job. A real job. (I wouldn't recommend nursing because I would feel sorry for any patient of hers). Work during the hours the children are at school -- as many, many mothers do!

If she hasn't spent every dime the children have earned yet -- then invest part of it, and use part of it to pay for monthly expenses. Just from what she earned from DWTS alone, she should be able to live in moderation and more than take care of herself and the children for a couple of years. (In her shoes, I could live off that for 3-4 years easy.)

Mom In Lancaster County said...

First, put the McMansion up for sale, and hope to make a slight profit to use as a healthy downpayment on a smaller home with a smaller mortgage.

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She's going to take a huge loss. It now has a market value of $680,500, far short of what they paid for it.

"No more designer labels clothing, unless she buys it gently used on eBay or elsewhere."

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Reading/Lancaster is the outlet capital of the country! We have tourists from the tri-state area making long bus trips just to shop here. There is no shortage of where she could purchase name brand clothing at huge discounts. Perhaps she does this already.

BerksPa said...

FYI, she wouldn't make a profit on the McMansion if she sold it. It was originally bought for 1.2 mil. Zillow has it listed at 700k (mid range). That's a huge gap.
We just bought our home (4 bed, 2 bath) for 14k less than the previous owners paid, and the previous owners actually ended up having to bring 20k to the table to pay for all their end of the closing fees/costs. I felt really bad for them (however they had moved out of state and the home had been unoccupied for the better part of the year.

There are some really nice gated communities in the area around where Kate lives. Homes around 4000sqft. (about 1/2 of what they have now, but still adequate) and the taxes would be less as would the upkeep (HOA fees would probably cover most lawn care, etc).

She's in a hole now though. The house is definately worth less than she is paying for it. And I don't expect reality prices to rise soon. However, she could cut her losses now (early) and make the change.

hayden said...

Jane in California said...
"First, put the McMansion up for sale, and hope to make a slight profit to use as a healthy downpayment on a smaller home with a smaller mortgage."
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Sadly, there is little to no chance of her selling the McMansion for a profit. There are several high dollar properties that have been for sale in Wernersville for months. They've been just sitting around and they don't even come with the negative connotations that the Konpound has.

When J&K put the E-town house up for sale the asking price was $325,000. Which was eventually lowered to 299,999. According to Zillow they finally sold it after 14 months for $258,000- a full $22,000 less than they paid for it in 2006. Somebody got a fantastic deal based on J&Ks infamy.

I can only imagine J&K were advised repeatedly NOT to purchase a million dollar home when their only income was a reality show. The home formerly belonged to an OB-GYN. That is the type of long career and income needed to sustain such a property for 30 years. But I think it's safe to say Kate was obsessed with living on a fenced, gated property where she said herself "I have no neighbors." Listening to sound financial advice was not on her agenda. They bought the home at the end-ish of the real estate bubble and at $1.1 million, paid too much. The current Zestimate is $680,000 which might be a little low, but combined with the stigma of who lives there that might be about all she gets if she were to sell it.

This is why when she did the interviews where she cried poor and whined about her purse full of bills I wanted to scream. Or when she even breathes the word 'college' I want to hyperventilate. They put 20% down which was about $220,000. That down payment is gone and she will not be getting it back. She has made about $97,000 in mortgage payments in just over two years, which we all know are mainly interest payments. She has paid about $31,000 in taxes thus far. In two years, $348,000 has been pissed away for that house that she will not recoup in a sale. That doesn't even take into account the money spent on upkeep and improvements. Properly invested, $348,000 would go along way towards putting eight kids through college. She created an obscenely extravagant lifestyle which pretty much ensures that there will be nothing left for the kids who worked so hard for it. And a little part of me thinks that's exactly what she intends.

just wondering said...

hayden said:
Properly invested, $348,000 would go along way towards putting eight kids through college. She created an obscenely extravagant lifestyle which pretty much ensures that there will be nothing left for the kids who worked so hard for it. And a little part of me thinks that's exactly what she intends.
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That's cuz it's hers, all hers!!

Jane in California said...

Hayden, Berks and all else who responded that Kate would lose money if she put the house up for sale - sadly, I agree. That's why I said the most she could hope for would be some slim margin of profit. I think Hayden laid it out so very clearly - the terrible timing of the house purchase (right at tail end of a higher market), the low down payment, and then probably only very little going to actually paying down the principal.

It's entirely possible that the home will be foreclosed upon at some point in the not to distant future, if the TLC money goes away.

I really do predict that those 8 children will end up with practically zero money of their own as adults from all the hard work they've put in to support this greedy bitch during their childhood.

And that's why we need a federal law to protect child actors across every state, and children in any kind of tv shows or other entertainment venue. Whatever money is paid to the family should be required, by law, to be split equally, with each child's percentage going into trust for them when they become a legal adult.

I still think Kate ought to get out from under that enormous mortgage, even if it means walking away and being foreclosed on.

Lynn said...

Bottom line on the house: she is upside down on the monies owed. It was purchased for $1.1 million, with a $200,000 downpayment and the house is currently worth maybe $650,000. Keep in mind a home is only worth what someone is willing to pay. She is stuck with a $9,000 payment every month. Therefore, she is paying a mortgage for more than the value of the house. Couldn't happen to a better person. LOL

Pattypanda said...

What are basic needs? A house, probably at least 4 bedrooms for sanity sake. One large vehicle. Seems like her and Jon share the big Diesel - that makes sense. If she did have any family in her life, they could help cover the times when she "NEEDs" to go out of town. A part time baby sitter, if she can afford it makes sense - who needs to drag 8 kids everywhere. Hair dye - $8 buck every 6 weeks. My hair looks better than her mess of extensions. Nails - a fill can last 3 weeks. If she's working and it's from her income - go for it. Smaller house = less insurance, less property tax ect, fewer vehicles - less tax and insurance. Less staff - less financial oblications for taxes, insurance etc. Public school - still giver her plenty of time for shopping, cleaning, mowing the lawn. She is just lazy and will not do anything until she is desperate. As far as her organic food, I've never seen her good any quality meals for the kids. Have those kids ever had a steak or pot roast, ribs, meatloaf. She is a fake, through and through. Her cooking skills are very limited. Any moron can make a pancake. They get better meals when with Jon.

kate can't do sh** said...

Why do people think all eight kids will go to college? Maybe none of them will will want to.
Realistically, to think that eight out of eight will go on to university to get degrees is crazy. How many people know families where all six out of six or five out of five kids does that? What if the six barely get through highschool? She won't have to worry about college then. Doesn't matter. She has tons socked away somewhere. She's sneaky and calculating.

jasmine said...

You can't always rely on the zestimate amounts posted on websites for a home's market value. The numbers are all over the place. I do agree that her home value is most likely lower than when it was purchased, but I remember reading somewhere that they put enough of a downpayment on the home to have around a $700,000 mortgage. The home plus the 25 acres of property must be worth more than $700,000. I don't believe the home would sell quickly though and she wouldn't get a million for it. The home is hidden like a fortress behind huge evergreen trees and views from the front are blocked because of the trees. The majority of home buyers would also want a garage that is attached to the house. I don't think 25 acres is necessarily a plus to a buyer unless it was usable farm land or a buyer owned horses or livestock, or some of the property could be sold off to a developer. Is the home even in her name or does TLC own the property? I don't understand why she should just foreclose on the property now. TLC is still paying her salary and I haven't read anywhere that she's filing for bankruptcy.

So DONE! said...

Honestly, she has gotten herself in a mess. She can not afford the lifestyle she has made for herself.

She is not going to be able to afford the taxes on her home. She is going to have to sell it, first of all. And she will take a loss on it.

I have always said that she should capitalize on her true talent, which I think is organization. If TLC had been smart, they would have focused on that aspect of her personality to build a show or brand around. She is not nice or caring, and isn't really a good parent--and she isn't interested in talking to others about anything but herself. But, she was good at organising all the kids things, and giving orders to others! A show where she helps others organise their homes--people would watch to see how rude she is to those poor slobs! She could have books on organisation..a short show with organisation tips...things like that would be good. Then she could market storage containers and the like...even food storage.

She could keep her bank accounts full that way, without ruining the kids' lives.

Hey, how about if she markets "old grandma soup?! LOL!

Elspeth said...

The only problem is that "organized Kate" was a myth. She had to have Beth show her the bins for storing toys and said she'd have never thought of a thing like that. Kate couldn't even manage carrying an extra set of clothes with her for the kids.

bbeau said...

kate can't do sh** said...
Why do people think all eight kids will go to college? Maybe none of them will will want to.
Realistically, to think that eight out of eight will go on to university to get degrees is crazy.
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I've always thought the same thing. I think the twins might have a good chance to go to college, but I really doubt all of the 6 will go. We know that Jon did not go and as a youth seemed to be a slacker. He had the financial means to go but not the ambition.

I always felt deep down Kate knows they won't all go either, but using the "college" card was a good way to get what she wants and rake in some more $$$ and to justify her decisions and actions. The same way she's used the " religous card", the "organic food card", the "single mom card".

Pony said...

I agree with what Kate can't do sh**
said. There is no way to tell if all eight kids will choose to go to college. But if they do, as long as they choose wisely and apply to colleges that have generous financial aid programs, they'll be fine. The number of children competing for the disposable income (which will undoubtedly be quite low by then) will pretty much guarantee them aid for college. What I see as problematical for them is having the money to maintain the lavish lifestyle Kate has taught them they are entitled to. Those "golden platters" don't come cheap.

Minka's Tail said...

I know I'm in the minority on this, but I hope Kate can find some sort of kid-less tv gig that she's not an abject failure at. (So far she's failied at "Twist of Kate", dancing and View hosting.) The kids have enough psychological scars with their immature father and narcissistic mother. Do we really want to add the loss of their swimming pool and crooked houses and chickens to their delicate psyches? And do you really want to subject them to Kate's wrath when she's now poor and probably blaming them for the show's cancellation?

My suggestion: Kate should get some kind of costume jewelry line (maybe based on her ring with mother-of-pearl with 8 cubic zirconias) and peddle it on home shopping clubs. She could talk mostly about herself (her real talent) and let the real host do most of the selling, and she'd make enough to keep that house. She could do informercials as well, and write off her tanning and pedicures as expenses. No, she never should have bought that house, knowing her marriage was about to split up. But I don't want her to lose it, much as I hate her.

Monster Mommy said...

That is a splendid idea, Minka's Tail... and you're not so such the minority that you may think. Most of us don't want to see the children suffer at all- in fact quite the opposite.

In my dream world, the Gosselin kids will end up without any permanent mental, emotional (or physical) damage done to their adult lives. As many of you know, my guess is that one or more of the eight, will have very limited contact (perhaps none at all) with Kate. That's just my prediction, judging by what I have seen on film, and the incidents I believe to be true.

Flip-Flopping Kate said...

Kate couldn't even manage carrying an extra set of clothes with her for the kids.

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Or put a pair of flip-flops in a tote bag for herself in NYC. She had to take off the hooker heels and walk barefoot on the dirty sidewalks of the city. What great organizational skills she has!

dustilies said...

Minka's Tail--nice to hear from you!

I agree, the jewelry/tv homeshopping gig sounds plausible. The kitchier, the better.

Is there any way she can get some income off her 20 acres? She's in farmland, and conceivably could grow gourmet cash crops or raise goats for gourmet cheeses.

(I'm not thinking of Kate driving the manure spreader, my imagination isn't that elastic).

But organic/local also means perishable . . . I suspect the local market for Kate/8 produce is pretty well shut. Unless she is selling it without the celebrity label. Which brings us back to ordinary hard work and ordinary profit--not her cup of tea.

But, since selling the property in the near future seems like a problem, is there any way she can make money off the acreage?

Jane in California said...

Minka's Tail -

Nice suggestions, and of course I don't want the children to have to deal with an ever more unstable and angry mom when the house of cards falls down. I don't think Kate has what it takes to be successful on a QVC sort of business either. You have to be personable, relatable -- the audience must LIKE you.

Joan Rivers brought herself out of a tough financial situation through creating and marketing a jewelry line on QVC. But it took a lot of work, determination, and creating a company of people who all helped to make her brand successful. Can any of us really imagine Kate doing something similar? She's a control freak with no real talent; she would drive people away from the business in droves; the audience would not like her or care about hearing her talk for the thousandth time about the P-people in her life, etc.

If she had the funds to open a business, such as buying a local Kinko's franchise, and then staffing it with competent people, let them basically do their job, maybe she'd earn a decent income.

But anything that would require daily participation by Kate? Real work, with real life stressors and demands? Nope. She couldn't handle it.

fidosmommy said...

dustilies, I know you're asking
for real about how Kate can use the property, but I am in a very snarky mood tonight.

Kate can run a daycare and roll in the grass with the kids all day long. Rainy days will be especially fun and will cost more because Kate has to work for hours to get the stains out.

Kate can run a daycare for dogs while their people are at work.

Kate can set up a pony ride enterprise. They've already got the horse barn, why not use it?

Kate can offer spa treatments for
the neighborhood, sunning by the pool, getting their nails done,
extensions put in, botox shots, whatever they decide they want.
$25.00 an hour. Ted Gibson will have to pay rental space per client at the Mansion. Steve is in charge of keeping the water hot and refilling the salad bowls. Plastic surgeon will make consultation appointments on the
1st Monday of every month.

She can use the Crooked Houses for
pay-per-view movies of her culturing/educational trips hither, thither and yon.

Crate Kate said...

The problem with Kate selling anything, is that she is very unlikable. Since she has no real charm or personality, so I think it would be hard for her to pedal her own line of anything. Even if the host was doing most of the selling, she would still have to be charming to callers who get to talk on air and so forth. We all know how the book signings, So I don't think that would work.

She has made no attempt to prepare herself for a career in television other than the fake boobs, the bleached hair and all the other things she does to herself. But she hasn't actually acquired any skills. She still says umm way to much, her accent and pronunciation of certain words is atrocious and she has a very annoying way of smiling. She bares her teeth, which look like they are too big to fit her her mouth anyway. I don't know what she had done to them, but she did something, that is for sure. So she might like being in front of a camera, but she has no real talent or skills to offer. She seems to not realize that you can't just get the dream jobs without the proper education and paying your dues.

I personally could not stand to listen to her talk on a home shopping show. If she wants to stay on TV, then she needs to get herself into some classes and learn about how to actually be in front of a camera. It isn't all about trying to look like a Pamela Anderson wanna be. She will soon be 36 and there are way too many 20 somethings out there that can run circles around her looks wise. She doesn't have that much to off in the looks department and everyone in Hollywood has fake boobs, so that is nothing special and isn't going to open very many doors for her.

If Kate was as smart as she is devious, she would go back to school and get her BA and then her Masters in nursing and work at a job that does not involve public contact or patient care. Nursing offers a wide variety of settings to work in and they all make fairly decent money. No, she couldn't keep the mansion, but she could still have a nice home in a nice neighborhood and make a decent living for herself and the kids. There was really no reason to sell the Andrew Ave house other than she wanted to be like Beth and live on a property.

As for the kids, they already have enough damage done to cause them problems for the rest of their lives. Moving once more isn't going to add all that much if it would get them off TV and allow for a normal life. It would be a welcome blessing I would think. Only time will tell how this will all play out. It is a sad state of affairs for the children as they were unfortunate enough to be born to the likes of Kate and Jon Gosselin. They will forever pay the price of being their children. I only hope they get therapy and can forgive and over come their childhood.

barbee said...

Loved her comment about being so comfortable BEHIND THE CAMERA. Has anyone clued her in that she was IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA? And she ain't intelligent enough to be BEHIND THE CAMERA!

Jane in California said...

Just wanted to add -- that if Kate were actually serious about earning a decent income, and had the right aptitude and personality, being a nurse is definitely still one of the better jobs out there. It's demanding, but they pay scale is very decent, and I believe the benefits are pretty decent as well.

We all know Kate could not take the rigors of nursing, but I've often wished I had what it took to do that job myself.

Laurie said...

I could see her trying to get on a Real Housewives type of show. Unfortunately for K8 I don't think that Real Housewives of PA or or Berks County is on anyones' radar.

Proud Grandma said...

Laurie said...
I could see her trying to get on a Real Housewives type of show.
************** I say, She's not even a real housewife, she probably has never done real work at home, She is a STAAH

Minka's Tail said...

Realistically, if she can't become the tacky spokeswoman for some tacky product (if not jewelry, then maybe invisi-bras or insta-tan or miracle tooth white?), her best bet would to become an unstable, fighting reality figure instead of a supposedly organized supermom reality figure. She's headed down that path anyway. I don't like that idea, though--although it might work as a trainwreck tv show--because the kids will suffer if she's rewarded (even more) for bad behavior. Also, I can't imagine her forbidding the children to be filmed like some of the "housewives." So they'd still be on tv--perhaps not as much, but they'd still be public figures.

What could she do outside of television? Her main talent is yelling at people. Are there people that deserve to be yelled at? Perhaps she could work at one of those tough-love camps for troubled teens. She could shout things like "Who would be stupid enough to sell you drugs?" or "We do not go to that store without coupons, and we don't shoplift from there either!" When they misbehave, she could make them sleep on the floor in the laundry room. Since she already treats her kids like they are delinquents in reform school (when she's not too lazy to discipline them at all), maybe she should work with real troubled teens. And won't it be funny when they curse her out?

Don't Fence Me In said...

But, since selling the property in the near future seems like a problem, is there any way she can make money off the acreage?

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That would mean that she'd have to employ someone to work that land, and there goes "all hers" as far as the eye could see. Do you really think that she would want someone else on her "mine, all mine" land?

E-town Neighbor said...

"There was really no reason to sell the Andrew Ave house other than she wanted to be like Beth and live on a property."

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Yes, there was. It was zoned residential, and there were issues with the zoning board about having a commercial business there. In addition, there was another reason to sell. She had become the witch of the neighborhood...totally unwelcome and annoying, as was the constant drive-by traffic and TLC crew equipment/vans intruding on the quiet neighborhood.

dustilies said...

fidosmommy wrote:


Kate can set up a pony ride enterprise. They've already got the horse barn, why not use it?

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Love it! There are few animals in the world as stubborn and ill-tempered as a badly treated Shetland pony. Would love to see one chasing Kate around the compound!

Ostrich farm? They're pretty mean, too, from what I've heard.

dustilies said...

Question for E-Town neighbor and others in the know:

Would it have been impossible to get a permit to add on to the Andrews Ave house? The lot looked pretty small, but did the subdivision or neighborhood covenant bar them from adding on, say, a great room and a couple of bathrooms. Seems like the house would have been plenty big enough if they could have added on a little more living space.

fidosmommy said...

E-town Neighbor said...
"There was really no reason to sell the Andrew Ave house other than she wanted to be like Beth and live on a property."

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Yes, there was. It was zoned residential, and there were issues with the zoning board about having a commercial business there. In addition, there was another reason to sell. She had become the witch of the neighborhood...totally unwelcome and annoying, as was the constant drive-by traffic and TLC crew equipment/vans intruding on the quiet neighborhood.

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It would annoy me to pieces, too!
I'm glad you said that, E-town, because it's exactly what I wish I had said.

People usually buy their home to be a peaceful sanctuary. The sound of kids playing is lovely, but that whole Gosselin thing would have worn very thin after
a season or two.

E-town Neighbor said...

"Would it have been impossible to get a permit to add on to the Andrews Ave house? The lot looked pretty small, but did the subdivision or neighborhood covenant bar them from adding on, say, a great room and a couple of bathrooms"

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If they were an "ordinary" family wanting to put on an addition for living space there would have been no problem to expand the Andrew Avenue house. It's done quite often here in residential neighborhoods. Of course, plans must be submitted in order to receive permits. They could have added to the back.

However, if they were to do it for commercial reasons and filming, not so much! The problem would have been in its use, and considering it may have become just another "set," I'm sure there would have been questions for what it really was going to be used.

Crate kate said...

Yes, there was. It was zoned residential, and there were issues with the zoning board about having a commercial business there. In addition, there was another reason to sell. She had become the witch of the neighborhood...totally unwelcome and annoying, as was the constant drive-by traffic and TLC crew equipment/vans intruding on the quiet neighborhood.
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This was still no reason to sell that house. All of the above issues could have all been resolved if they had just quit filming. A little work on the outside of the house could have made the house look different from when it was on the show and the gawkers would have gone away.

I live in a tourist area and there is no way to get rid of the gawkers. They even treaspass on my property and I have even found them in with my animals. They create so much traffic and congestion that it is almost impossible for me to even get into town some weekends. They park in front of driveways, so the owners cannot get out, they park in the streets and leave large amounts of trash in their wake. Compared to what we deal with, I don't think that their neighborhood was disrupted all that much. Even if it was, that too would have all disappeared as soon as they quit filming.

Kate would have been the witch of the neighborhood even with out a realty show. Every neighborhood has a witch or two. Unfortunately, neighbors aren't given a chance to express their opinion on who purchases a house in their neighborhood. Had they not had the show, I doubt that everyone would have asked them to move just because she was unpleasant. If that were the case, I would have had several people in our neighborhood move along.

Bottom line is that they could have stayed and lived a nice life right where they were. That house was plenty big enough and if Kate had the organizational skills that she claimed to have, she could have made that house work very well for them. It could have been quite cozy and cute and they had great family nearby.

They could have paid it off, put the rest of the money they earned in the bank and been financially secure, which seems to be what motivates her. Her greed will lead to her downfall and she will eventually pay for all the wrongs she has done.

E-town Neighbor said...

This was still no reason to sell that house. All of the above issues could have all been resolved if they had just quit filming

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Which was exactly my point! The reason they moved was due to the filming and the problem with zoning. No, they cannot get an area re-zoned from residential to commercial just because one family wants to do so! You initially said that that the only reason they moved was because Kate wanted what Beth has. You made no mention of filming.

"Compared to what we deal with, I don't think that their neighborhood was disrupted all that much"

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You don't live here, so you really have no idea what went on in the neighborhood, which had been a quiet, peaceful community prior to the filming there. Have you read Walt's blog? You should take a minute to do so.

This is a cul-de-sac -- it's not like there are drive-bys. There are drive-turn-arounds, which makes even more congestion. I don't think that you realize that this is NOT a large neighborhood. it is VERY tiny. There is one way in, and one way out. Change the front of the house? Should they also change the house number, because that's the only way the house wouldn't be recognized. It's right there, at the street, in plain view of gawkers. You could plant trees, install a front porch, whatever, but the house would still be the same house on the same small street with the same address!

barbee said...

I think they did move because she wanted what Beth had BUT it took having the show to get the house. Also agree that, just like she said the show had nothing to do with the demise of her marriage and family relationship, the show has nothing to do with the fact that she is a bitch. A bitch is a bitch is a bitch. If it talks like a bitch, acts like a bitch, BIG SURPRISE, it IS a bitch. Please forgive the word (although it is a legitimate name for a female dog, which is what she is).

Jane in California said...

Barbee - I definitely agree that Kate never really like Beth. She definitely liked what Beth had, and what Beth represented to her - a wealthy woman, who didn't have to work, rich husband, big beautiful home and expensive cars, able to afford luxuries, seemingly easy life.

Just like everyone else in Kate's life, once Kate got what she wanted/needed from Beth -- Beth was gone. I have a feeling Beth regrets letting her excitement at being on television and recognized by many viewers cloud her judgment. I think she had both good and self-serving motives for becoming Kate's friend.

She really was kind to the children, and she gave generously of her time, even having several of them stay at her house once or twice. But in return, she got temporary fame and an ego boost that goes along with that. She probably isn't legally allowed to discuss any details of her time spent with the Gosselins, and I know in her shoes, I'd probably always have an ashamed feeling whenever Kate or the kids crossed my mind.

Yes, she got taken in, but she's a smart cookie and I think she saw the reality and still stuck around because of the allure of being on the show.

it takes2 said...

Jane in California said...
She really was kind to the children, and she gave generously of her time, even having several of them stay at her house once or twice. But in return, she got temporary fame and an ego boost that goes along with that. She probably isn't legally allowed to discuss any details of her time spent with the Gosselins, and I know in her shoes, I'd probably always have an ashamed feeling whenever Kate or the kids crossed my mind.
Yes, she got taken in, but she's a smart cookie and I think she saw the reality and still stuck around because of the allure of being on the show.
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This is a different take. Jodi and Beth were there before the tv cameras and money came it. That shows they did it out of love.

Its common enough for a multiple birth to do a tv special or two, get freebies, go on Oprah, maybe a free trip to an amusement part.
So I don't blame Beth or Jodi for being excited about those things.

Surely they never thought that the show would become the Gosselins primary source of income and that either parent would stop working and filming would be continuous.

I think it sort of crept up on them and then snowballed.

In her sister's site, Jodi said she stuck around anyways so she could continue to be a part of the children's life and be a voice for them.

barbee said...

I think Jane in CA misstated my thoughts on Kate and Beth re:

barbee said...
'I think they did move because she wanted what Beth had BUT it took having the show to get the house.' Also agree that, just like she said the show had nothing to do with the demise of her marriage and family relationship, the show has nothing to do with the fact that she is a bitch. A bitch is a bitch is a bitch. If it talks like a bitch, acts like a bitch, BIG SURPRISE, it IS a bitch. Please forgive the word (although it is a legitimate name for a female dog, which is what she is).

3/01/2011 11:59 AM
"Jane in California said...
Barbee - I definitely agree that Kate never really like Beth."
She definitely liked what Beth had, and what Beth represented to her - a wealthy woman, who didn't have to work, rich husband, big beautiful home and expensive cars, able to afford luxuries, seemingly easy life

I did NOT say that kate never really liked Beth. I said she did WANT what Beth had.

I do NOT feel Beth and Jodie were in it for the fame, money, glory, trips, they were incidental to their love of and for the kids as evidenced by everything they said and did for them. BUT I do agree with the rest of what Jane said about Kate wanting Beth's lifestyle.

fidosmommy said...

If memory serves, Beth was one of the church folks who came
a-calling to offer free help and babysitting immediately after the birth of the Gosselin sextuplets. I think she was emotionally involved with the children almost from birth, before TLC ever got their paws on the children.

Beth gained nothing from associating with the Gosselins except the joy of knowing the kids loved her, believing that Kate appreciated her help, and feeling like she had reached out in Christian friendship.

I cannot accept that Beth was in it for fame, excitement or any such thing. If she wanted to travel, she and Bob sure could have done it, without having any responsibility for someone else's
8 children plus their own. And you may have noticed that Beth actually got very little "face time" during her episodes. She is not a fame hound, IMO.

han said...

who is beth again?

Jane in California said...

Barbee - my apologies for misstating your words, in a way. I agreed with a sentiment that you didn't express. No hard feelings I hope.

I should have said, "I don't believe Kate ever really liked Beth, but she liked what Beth represented, and desired many things that Beth had, etc."

I still stand by my personal opinion on Beth, which is that Beth is not a bad person, but that she let herself be caught up in fleeting moments of fame. She appeared to enjoy talking to the camera herself, and it's human nature to enjoy the limelight and fame, such as it is, one gets by being on a highly watched television show. It's also human nature that sometimes that excitement gets in the way of choosing the right path, and I think that maybe Beth allowed that to happen, even though she saw the true behavior that went on behind the scenes. She had to be aware of Kate's behavior toward Jon and the children that didn't make it to film.

That's why I think she probably always will feel a mixture of regret, shame and sorrow over her participation in the show. I wish her well and I think she was nice to the children, but got caught up in something that wasn't very pretty in the end.

Jane in California said...

I'll add re Jodi - I think Jodi and Kevin's motivations were always completely out of love for the children, and in the spirit of helping out Jon and Kate. Never do I think that Jodi or Kevin wanted or desired the limelight of being on the show, and I feel sure their hearts ache because they don't have regular contact with the children anymore.

I'm a little less fulsome re Beth, but as I said before, I do think she's basically a decent person and meant to do well. I think there must have been a straw that broke the camel's back, or an "oh no!" moment of awareness, and I base that on her abrupt departure from the show with zero explanation. She basically went into black out mode, and I often wonder what exactly was the final straw that ended the relationship.

fidosmommy said...

Beth Carson was one of Kate's biggest helpers and Kate called her 'best friend' at least once. She, her husband and their (4?) children lived in an upscale home fairly near the Gosselin's E-town home. Bob Carson hired Jon for a short while, Beth painted pictures. Their daughter Talia was best friends with Mady and Cara.

Beth went with the Gosselins on the trip to Utah. Suddenly, Beth
declared she needed to get home for her daughter's birthday, she left, and Jodi rushed out to take her place. The reason for the departure is still unclear to us.
Beth has not been heard from since, and they have moved from their upscale home to a more modest home. I wish them well.

barbee said...

Hey, Jane, no bad feelings, just didn't want my comment taken any way other than how I said and meant it. We all know kate doesn't like most, if any, people, but Beth wasn't one she showed real hostility toward, just her usual 'warmth' (yeah, right).

Like a typical 71 year old KID with the 'are we there yet?', is she gone yet?

E-town Neighbor said...

She, her husband and their (4?) children lived in an upscale home fairly near the Gosselin's E-town home.

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Correction: Beth and Bob never lived near (or fairly near) Kate and Jon's E-town home. They lived in the Reading area (Wyomissing), which is where the Gosselins lived prior to their move to E-town. Beth and Bob and sold their house in Wyomissing for 1.9 million. They bought a smaller home and now live in Leesport, which is about a half hour northeast of Kate's home in Wernersville.

fidosmommy said...

Oh silly me. I forgot to add that Beth Carson is the true author of the book "Multiple Blessings". She and Kate went off for a weekend or so, Kate talked and Beth wrote. The original credits were that Kate and Beth wrote the book, but later the authorship was
trumpeted to belong to Kate Gosselin, Jon Gosselin and Beth Carson - in that order. The reasons for this have been debated. It was suspected that Jon and Kate would each receive 1/3of the profits and leave Beth with only 1/3 instead of half. That is one theory, but none of the 3 is talking.

fidosmommy said...

E-Town, yes, you're right. I meant Wyomissing, not E-town.

Reading news said...

E-town Neighbor said...
She, her husband and their (4?) children lived in an upscale home fairly near the Gosselin's E-town home.

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Correction: Beth and Bob never lived near (or fairly near) Kate and Jon's E-town home. They lived in the Reading area (Wyomissing), which is where the Gosselins lived prior to their move to E-town. Beth and Bob and sold their house in Wyomissing for 1.9 million. They bought a smaller home and now live in Leesport, which is about a half hour northeast of Kate's home in Wernersville
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You have it reversed - the million dollar home that Beth lived in when she was helping Kate was in Leesport. They purchased the home in Wyomissing after selling the Leesport home. I have not verified this but a friend told me that the Wyomissing home was currently on the market so they may be moving once again.

E-town Neighbor said...

You have it reversed - the million dollar home that Beth lived in when she was helping Kate was in Leesport. They purchased the home in Wyomissing after selling the Leesport home.

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You're right! Sorry about that. I'm dyslexic today. The Grange Road house was in Leesport and sold in January, I believe, of 2009. They bought the Reading Boulevard house (Wyomissing) in February of 2010. Where did they live between the sale of Leesport house and the purchase of the Wyomissing house? Was that the $255,000 house? The Wyomissing house, I believe was just under half a million.

As far as I know, they never lived in E-town, nor near Kate's house in E-town when the two of them were buds.

E-town Neighbor said...

I have not verified this but a friend told me that the Wyomissing home was currently on the market so they may be moving once again.

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Are you talking about the Reading Boulevard home? I checked my Homes and Lands, and it's not in there, or on the multi-list. Perhaps they are selling it privately?