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122 comments:

so sick of her said...

To: Tam: I know what you are saying, but thru the past several years, people I've known, who have kids, told me that schools were getting very picky, about what a child at 5-6 should know. They were telling me how if your child could be smart in math, reading etc, but socially, could not listen, fight etc, the parents were told to come back next year, they were not ready for kindergarden, same with not knowing their letters, numbers, simple words. Just depends on the school. Kate figures, I pay a lot to this school, it's their problem to fix my kids. That's not what schools are for to fix children. Why I say this is cause a lot of people were pointing out here that one tup, did not know their shapes. If one does not know probably some of the others don't know. So it could be possible that they are behind. Cause, really, when did Kate ever take an interest in her kids?(her only interest is to film). If, a few were behind, a couple of years ago, just like the fighting, why did she not do something then? A Mother notices those things, that something is wrong. If it were my kids I would be noticing everything. Geez, when my pets don't look right, or act right, I watch them, then off to the vet. I don't wait till it becomes a problem. Kate only cares about Kate. JMO

Homewrecking hurts said...

I wonder how Kate will figure out a way to get her homerwrecking boyfriend/bodyguard Steve to come work/service her. Maybe reshoot some scenes at the house?

How will she reveal to the world that her and Steve are in love? Can you imagine how much money that photo WILL fetch?

How will Kate explain to her kids that she had no problem
getting rid of their dad so easily because she had developed feelings for Steve (another woman's husband mind you)?

Kate gets what Kate wants. Do you honestly believe that she respects Steve's marriage? Paaaleeeze. Kate respects... well, Kate.

Furthermore, her and Steve revealing their affair is an AWESOME money making opportunity. I bet TLC already has something in the works. I mean wake up Gina! Kate's hotter than you, younger, and seems to already have your man in the palm of her hands. How long before Kate forbids Steve from seeing his family? Only time will tell.

Now we continue to wait as Gosselini continues her reign of terror.

Carezee said...

I am a teacher. Yes kids come in prior to entering kindergarten for testing to see if they are ready. We can recommend to the parent that their child may not be ready but, it is ultimately the parent's decision as to whether they want them to enter school or not. We end up with many children that really don't belong in school whether academically or emotionally behind. That is why we are trained in differentiated instructing. Yes things maybe tougher for a teacher in a class with students with emotional or academic problems but they can be taught.

Also something I always wondered about. When Kate says she wanted one more, was she really saying one more try at multiples?

Pony said...

Re: expulsion at schools. I teach at a private school, where from time to time kids are "asked to withdraw." Even when a student commits an offense that is listed in the student handbook as "cause for immediate expulsion," the official record always says the kid "withdrew." This allows the parents and kid to save some face and keep the school safe from a frivolous lawsuit. "I decided to take them out of the school and homeschool them" is code for "My kids got expelled and I didn't want to send them to a different school." Especially when a child is asked to withdraw for a reason such as improper physical contact with another student or an adult, i.e. hitting. If a child is asked to withdraw for something like that, some districts require the child to attend an alternative school. Very few parents want that for their children; hence the homeschooling in these cases.

As for what children should know upon entering kindergarten - in the past 20 years kindergarten has become first grade. So children today are expected to know numbers, the alphabet, shapes, colors, how to spell their names, etc. a year earlier than they used to. Early childhood experts would tell you that while some gifted children are ready for first grade at 5, the majority aren't ready till 6. For kids who presumable never learned much of anything academic, the odds of being truly ready for the material in a "highly academic" kindergarten are pretty low. Being unable to keep up academically often causes kids to get angry and act out. So - no surprise that some of the six had some issues. IMO, Kate really dropped the ball on the education issue when the sextuplets were small. I guess she was too busy "culturing them" to actually teach them.

WonderButton said...

Re the recent school pick up photos.....Since this blog is likely read by purseboy.....

1) If it's that cold out that she needs to wrap herself up in a quilted down comforter with a belt, she should make sure the kids have their coats zipped up and their hats/scarfs/mittens on. It's what MOMS are suppossed to do.....keep their kids warm.

2) When you're driving a big huge honkin' van with HUGE blindspots in front/back/sides, GET OUT of the van and SUPERVISE your children getting in. Make sure they are all in their car seats and buckled up BEFORE you start that engine and go. Make sure the doors are closed properly and locked so they don't fall out. Again, that's what MOMS are suppossed to do......keep their kids safe.

For the love of God, Kate, get off your lazy behind and help them get into the van safely (the boys, too)!!! Make sure you don't accidentally run one of them over. Come on, already!!!! If you don't care enough for their safety, wouldn't you at least do it for an extended photo op?

Leigh Ann said...

The kids went to junior kindergarten last year, though. Didn't they learn anything then? Surely the school would have pointed out at the end of the year that two kids were behind. But if Kate didn't spend the summer pointing out that a whole pizza is a circle and a piece of pizza is a triangle it wouldn't have done any good. Kindergartners are expected to know a lot these days. My daughter is in the third grade and when I took her for her kindergarten screening they told me she needed to practice her numbers over 60. And she'd been to full-time pre-k plus what we did at home. You used to go to kindergarten and learn to sit in a circle, take turns, count to 10, the eight basic colors and how to tie your shoes. Now you have to know all that and more on the first day. I really think whichever two it is that are the problem have needed individual help and attention and haven't gotten it until now. If reports that they've improved are true, but that was probably the trick. They don't seem to get any individual attention when they're all at home and when they're at school they're in a class full of kids.

Katie Neild said...

Adjoining rooms said.....

There are reports from various hotels that they have adjoining rooms.

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Yeah, that's just to keep up appearences (half-hearted attempts at that), and so Kate can poop privately. The reaminder of the time, they're sleeping together. The truth WILL come out soon people, trust me... stay tuned.

Out And About In Berks said...

"1) If it's that cold out that she needs to wrap herself up in a quilted down comforter with a belt, she should make sure the kids have their coats zipped up and their hats/scarfs/mittens on. It's what MOMS are suppossed to do.....keep their kids warm.

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It's not that cold. Considering how cold it's been the past few weeks, it was rather "balmy" outside this week! They got out of a warm bus for a walk of a few seconds to a warm car. They were in no danger of hypothermia.

"When you're driving a big huge honkin' van with HUGE blindspots in front/back/sides, GET OUT of the van and SUPERVISE your children getting in."

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There was someone there supervising them. They were not running around in the parking lot unattended.

so sick of her said...

Leighann, you are right. Kate raises those kids as a group, unit, not as individuals. She dresses them alike, makes sure they have the same stuff, geez, anyone of those kids could fall through the cracks, as feeling unwanted, unloved, can't function unless in a group, and school makes that a little harder cause, the kids wear uniforms(dressed alike), and are treated as a group/team. When do they become individuals? It's sad. Sounds like the Dionnes. If, like they are saying the kids are doing better, kudos. But, will the school take them back? Doesn't the school run on a semister thing? So why can't they go back now? Will they repeat kindergarden? Have they changed?

MickeyMcKean said...

Polly Kahl has written a book called Jon & Kate Plus Ei8ht: "Reality" TV & the Selling of the Gosselins

I would think that the title alone pretty much sums up what the book is all about. Instead I see that bloggers on both sides of the Gosselin fence - even before the book was released - formed their opinions and have launched personal attacks on the author without even reading the book. WTH?!?!

For the record I have read the book. Actually, I am one of the former fans who was asked if I wanted to contribute to the book and I said yes. I did so because I hoped that by participating I could get the reader - who may not even own a computer or know about the Gosselin blogs - to realize from this viewer’s point of view what effect cameras have had on children in “reality” TV in general, and the Gosselin children in particular.

As we all know the current fans were also given this opportunity to participate and they all choose not to do so at all. Their choice. Hindsight is what it is.

The fact is this book contains not only comments from former fans but of course interviews from several professionals who have added their personal insight from what they know and/or have experienced in their own life. People who have a knowledge of what happens to children during their critical development years, especially when there is no question that just the mere presence of a camera does alter a person’s behavior.

I would think that common sense tells people that one does not have to meet Jon, Kate and each one of the kids in person to know that something is seriously wrong in this family that has been filmed and specifically packaged for the TV viewer by a greedy network. Also, with the recent court activity between Jon and Kate in regards to whether or not to continue to film the children – especially when one takes into consideration that this was before two of the tups were expelled from kindergarten – when is the time to acknowledge that the Gosselin children are being effected by living in a TV fish bowl strictly for the entertainment of the TV viewer?

When is the time to say that the mental health and well being of the children is more important than their mother’s quest for additional fame and fortune? When is the time to acknowledge that it is the parent’s responsibility to support the family, not the children?

I also happen to be one of the people who believe that these children will have lifelong issues thanks to their parent’s decision to sign up for a TV show to help them with the family’s living expenses. Please note I do give Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt that they were not fully aware of the consequences of their actions when signing the initial contract; that at the time all they saw was an easy financial gain for the family. However now that the family has imploded before our very eyes and both parents have acknowledge publicly that some of the children are having problems in school and at home, it is time for BOTH parents to get on the same page and do what is best for the children which is to end the show and allow the children to live the remainder of their childhood in private.

If Kate wants to continue with her TV career that is fine with me – as long as her career is without the 8 little props. As far as this former fan is concerned, enough is enough! The Gosselin children have certainly earned the right to retire before the six pack turns 7 on May 10, 2011.

JMO

E-town Neighbor said...

"...can't function unless in a group, and school makes that a little harder cause, the kids wear uniforms(dressed alike), and are treated as a group/team."

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No, they don't all have to dress alike in school. There is a uniform, but there is variation in that dress code, allowing them to choose what combination they wear. For example, boys may wear black or khaki pants with maroon or white polo shirts, turlenecks and sweaters; warm weather, black, khaki or white shorts. K girls can wear the plaid jumper, or black or khaki skirts or skorts, black or khaki pants, with white or maroon shirts. The twins also can choose their dress, they even may wear the school kilt, shorts, pants, with a variation of tops.

There were some questions about this on another thread; why, if there are uniforms, aren't the kids always dressed alike when coming home from school. These clothing options give them freedom of choice, but at the same time, they follow the dress code.

Leigh Ann said...

If, like they are saying the kids are doing better, kudos. But, will the school take them back? Doesn't the school run on a semister thing? So why can't they go back now? Will they repeat kindergarden? Have they changed?
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I imagine if they're caught up and on track they can go back next year. This individual attention and personalized program is probably just exactly what they need for now. Then try again next year with a clean slate.

A Pox on PA said...

There was someone there supervising them. They were not running around in the parking lot unattended.

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Someone? Like purseboy? Or the not-a-nanny of the month? Or Chris-the-paps? I'm glad to hear someone is watching those kids, because judging by those pics, it sure isn't their mother. Sitting up high in the driver's seat of a van like that is like driving a bus - which is why school buses have those long "gates" in front of them now - so the kids have to walk far away from the front, out of the blind spot, so the driver can see them.

And if Kate is bundled up like that, it's got to be freezing, freezing cold. We all know how she loves to show the girls around.

Barbra said...

Oh, for pete's sake, I can 'hate on kate' with the best of them, but where the hell did this comment come from the in INF article/pictures:

"Our photographer found Kate picking up her brood yesterday. Don’t you just love how Kate waits inside the warm van while the kids fend for themselves?"

The pics clearly show her walking with the kids, and as for the people commenting about her wrapped in a quilt belted at the waist, it's a damn down jacket that she's worn before.

Let's get back to where we're worrying about the kids WHEN they need to be worried about, like in this instance, where some of them had THEIR jackets wide open while the mother figure, for once, was covering up 'the girls', indicating that it WAS REALLY COLD!

lindahoyt said...

Good news! Kate is now availible for sports camps and coaching clinics!

http://www.athletepromotions.com/celebrity/Kate-Gosselin-appearance-booking-agent.php

Shoshanna said...

I remember feeling sad when the main picture on this site was changed from the tiny baby goslings to more mature ones, but then I thought, "Well, that's appropriate now."

So I was just wondering when the picture is going to be updated again, by putting dollar signs on each of their backs?

Those poor kids. That's all their mother sees them as.

Sharla said...

Gentle reminder that it isn't what you say it's how you say it that is usually the problem. Snippiness is not usually a good quality in a comment. Thank you so much.

Tami said...

Oh, for pete's sake, I can 'hate on kate' with the best of them, but where the hell did this comment come from the in INF article/pictures:

"Our photographer found Kate picking up her brood yesterday. Don’t you just love how Kate waits inside the warm van while the kids fend for themselves?"

The pics clearly show her walking with the kids
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There was a picture I really didn't understand where she is sitting IN the car and a boy is in front of the van looking like he is going to get in the car by himself. Maybe I was missing something. It looked pretty scary to me though to have little ones going in front of the vehicle and getting in by themselves while she sat behind the wheel.

LancNative said...

"But, will the school take them back? Doesn't the school run on a semister thing? So why can't they go back now?"

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Trimester; second trimester ends on March 3, followed by spring break. Now wouldn't be the optimal time to go back, even if they were tested, assessed and found ready.

Orlando Sunrise said...

There was someone there supervising them. They were not running around in the parking lot unattended.
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Ah, so Kate gets credit for being a good mommy and picking up the kids but Chris takes no pictures of the actual person (nanny?) getting them.

Out And About In Berks said...

Ah, so Kate gets credit for being a good mommy and picking up the kids but Chris takes no pictures of the actual person (nanny?) getting them.

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Ah, Kate doesn't get credit for anything. This wasn't a value judgment on whether she is a good or bad mother because we all know that she's NOT Mother of the Year.

The statement was quite clear. The kids were supervised. I have no idea why Chris takes the photos Chris takes. I don't know if he took pictures of anyone else. Chris submits photos for use. He is paid for what is used. THEY select the photos they want to use.

All I said was that the kids were supervised and not running wild in the parking lot. Someone took that comment to mean that I implied that Kate is a good mother. I never said that, nor even suggested it.

And yes, I was there, and no, it was NOT freezing cold.

A Spade Is A Spade said...

lindahoyt said...

Good news! Kate is now availible for sports camps and coaching clinics!

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It's an old webpage. I remember laughing when I read all the events for which Kate could be hired. It was particularly funny because of the remark she made during the Toys R Us episode -- she doesn't notice other people. I do believe that all of the engagements there require a "people person," a gracious hostess, someone with class, grace and dignity in order to fulfill those obligations!

Somehow I just don't think Kate has the qualifications for any of those jobs, except maybe for a grand opening at a casino. She's been gambling with the lives of her children for quite some time.

pinkdiamond611 said...

From past threads it was stated that the children were expelled because of "behavior issues". Not because of academics. It should also be noted that the children by their birthdates should all be in the FIRST grade now. If they can't keep up academically there is a problem that a professional needs to evaluate. If their behavior is causing them not to be able to function in school, again, a professional needs to evaluate them. Keeping them home for a couple of months in isolation, having Carla the kitchen cleaner/garage sale lady homeschool them is not considered professionally evaluated.

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

Out and About in Berks (and anyone else at the bus when Chris is there:
I was wondering what it was like at the bus stop with the pap Chris there taking pics of the Gosselins. Is there any interaction between him and Kate and the kids? And what is it like for the other students and their parents and caregivers when he shows up.
I can't imagine it would be too comfortable trying to pick up or drop off your children with a pap there - even if it's sadly a common occurrence. Thanks for any insight you could provide.

GoFigure said...

I'm sorry!: I guess I misunderstood. I thought Expelled meant, well: EXPELLED.
I guess it means Gone Forever for the REST of us, but not for the Khate G. miracle children.
Silly me.

I Heart Buffy said...

I hope the tups can go into first grade next year. Hopefully, Kate won't keep them back AGAIN for her own agenda. They need to go forward, whether ready or not. They will learn more if they go forward. I don't care if people agree or not. Kate kept them back to keep them babyish, IMO, & to keep the gravy train rolling. Public/private school, most just want the kids to "get through the system" nowadays anyhow. Especially such, ahem, high profile kids like the G kids. Please. I would like to think that that school would WANT Kate out of their hair ASAP.

And I agree that she has to stop treating them as a group & start letting their independence flow. They ARE people, not showpieces. Let them be individuals. They are all different in their own way. This ticks me off that she treats them like a six-pack.

WonderButton said...

Orlando Sunrise said...
There was someone there supervising them. They were not running around in the parking lot unattended.

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Can you let us know who? Or would you say it's a good guess to assume it's a nanny?

Jane in CA said...

I agree w/u PinkDiamond, about the children and where all the sextuplets stand academically. Seems that they could use some real evaluation - which is probably beyond the capability of their private school. People may look down on public schools, but they often have more resources for children who have special needs than do private schools.

Thank you Sharla for the gentle reminder about avoiding snippiness with others.

Exhausted said...

Good news I thought I'd share. Though I didn't see the E True Hollywood story and though many on here seemed disappointed that not much was covered, my father said that he saw a Kate Gosselin expose today on E!. He doesn't know much about her, but he said after seeing that, he is appalled at what a selfish, greedy person she is. He said he can't believe how many people were generous to them when they didn't appreciate anything.

So let's hope that's how the general public received this. It's better than nothing!

Shoshanna said...

Even if all the speculation about Kate and Steve Neild is incorrect (which I don't think is the case), even if Gina loves and respects Kate enormously for some unknown reason (ditto here), at this point it's inconceivable to me that Gina has not come forward and either expressed approval or disapproval of her husband's behavior. How can that be? After all, she's a mother herself, right? The only explanation that makes any sense to me at all is that TLC has paid her for her silence.

dustilies said...

I Heart Buffy said...
Kate kept them back to keep them babyish, IMO, & to keep the gravy train rolling. (snip)

They are all different in their own way. This ticks me off that she treats them like a six-pack.

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Buffy, ITA with your post. But over time, it has become painfully clear to me that some, if not all, of the tups have mild developmental delays, as would be expected of any preemie.

For the sake of the sunshiney brand she is trying to create and maintain, she can't acknowledge this truth and that keeps the kids from getting professional attention and help.

It is much easier for KG to treat the kids as two units rather than eight individuals. For someone of her limited psychological and emotional depth, it is easier to keep the tups babies. And KG always takes shortcuts, IMO.

Shortcuts aren't always the best way to one's goals--remember the Donner party?

Poor Gina said...

Shoshanna said...
Even if all the speculation about Kate and Steve Neild is incorrect (which I don't think is the case), even if Gina loves and respects Kate enormously for some unknown reason (ditto here), at this point it's inconceivable to me that Gina has not come forward and either expressed approval or disapproval of her husband's behavior. How can that be? After all, she's a mother herself, right? The only explanation that makes any sense to me at all is that TLC has paid her for her silence.

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She probably had to sign a confidentiality agreement early on before she learned of the alleged affair. Sad, she probably has to hold her hurt feelings in, unable to seek support form her friends and family.

Snow Globe said...

For the sake of the sunshiney brand she is trying to create and maintain, she can't acknowledge this truth and that keeps the kids from getting professional attention and help.

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Is it known for a fact that these kids are not getting any kind of professional attention and help?

hannnah said...

I hope the judges orders the tups to be tested. If they are behind. It wont be Kate who helps them.

I also dont buy that they are doing better. They just missed almost 2 weeks of school.

Momof2 said...

Shoshanna said...
Even if all the speculation about Kate and Steve Neild is incorrect (which I don't think is the case), even if Gina loves and respects Kate enormously for some unknown reason (ditto here), at this point it's inconceivable to me that Gina has not come forward and either expressed approval or disapproval of her husband's behavior. How can that be? After all, she's a mother herself, right? The only explanation that makes any sense to me at all is that TLC has paid for her silence.

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..and we have a winner.
I think TLC has learned that with this particular cast of characters...the more people they have on the payroll the better off their secrets will be kept quiet.

Shoshanna said...

To: Mom of 2 and Poor Gina -

If indeed it's true that TLC made not just Steve but his wife, as well, sign a confidentiality agreement and enabled Steve to carry on a relationship with Kate, then TLC and Kate are responsible for ruining not just one family, but two. How de$picable! Steve's wife has been made to play the fool while her husband lives the high life on TLC's dime. And Kate, in true Katie Irene form, couldn't care less who she steps on. I absolutely despise the things she's gotten away with while she continues to skip blithely along on her merry, narcissistic way.

Snow Globe said...

If indeed it's true that TLC made not just Steve but his wife, as well, sign a confidentiality agreement and enabled Steve to carry on a relationship with Kate,

Enabled Steve? In other words, provided the means? I may be all wrong, but wasn't there a report awhile back that TLC (or the powers that be) found out that Steve was staying overnight (in the basement or garage apartment?) at Kate's house, and told him to pack up and get out of there because he had no business being there?
If they were enabling him, wouldn't they have just looked the other way?

AlexisAR said...

I'm not a teacher or school district employee -- I'm still in high school -- but my mom is a school administrator. She says that if the Gosselin children were enrolled in public school, whatever parent is causing the children to miss school on a relatively frequent basis would probably have been hauled before some sort of school attendance review board by now. While there are procedures in place for allowing children to study independently, the frequency and duration of the Gosselin children's independent study intervals would have exceeded most districts' allowances. Furthermore,
if children who are being pulled from school frequently fall behind, even further reason for denying independent study privileges would exist.


My mom insisted that I add that I have no knowledge of the Gosselin children's academic strengths, weaknesses, or progress. My knowledge is limited to how public and private schools operate, as I've attended and my mom has administrated in both. (For the record, though we don't live there presently, my mom holds Pennsylvania teaching and administrative credentials.)

Barbra said...

How old do the tups have to be before she can no longer blame any deficiencies or ways they are lacking on their having been preemies? I can picture her excusing some major misstep on one of them at age 35 because 'after all, preemies progress at a slower rate'. The funny thing is we can 'get it' that this is (in her mind) the cause of any problems the kids have, but what the heck is HER excuse for the myriad of faults, problems, glitches, twitches SHE HAS?

fidosmommy said...

Barbra,

I hear you. It's a valid question.

I'm less concerned about her blaming their moderately early birth on their differences and more concerned that she doesn't understand that ALL children develop slower than others in SOME areas. Multiples are no different in that department. Suzy may be better at fine motor skills while
Kent might be better with language at a certain age.

My brother, now a retired teacher,
could not skip when he was 5. He could run, ride bikes, swim, climb trees, play ball with the best of them, but he could not skip. Skipping was a requirement for acceptance into Kindergarten in those days. So, our two older sisters would take him outside to practice and pratice. He passed the skip test. When I was about 4 Mom made sure I could skip. I had no trouble with it so I did not have to endure skip practice.
I could go play something that
worked on manual dexterity instead.
Paper dolls, I think it was.

Tami said...

My brother, now a retired teacher,
could not skip when he was 5. He could run, ride bikes, swim, climb trees, play ball with the best of them, but he could not skip. Skipping was a requirement for acceptance into Kindergarten in those days. So, our two older sisters would take him outside to practice and pratice. He passed the skip test. When I was about 4 Mom made sure I could skip. I had no trouble with it so I did not have to endure skip practice.
I could go play something that
worked on manual dexterity instead.
Paper dolls, I think it was.

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They are giving my kindergartner physical therapy (and did last year in pre-k too) because she couldn't skip or do a couple other things like catch a ball well. She was a preemie and didn't walk until 17 months but was always very intelligent, had a great vocabulary, etc. My toddler is the opposite. He walked early, has great motor skills but is in speech therapy, so it's true about development and sadly, the Gosselins are treated as if they are all exactly the same. For instance, some were not ready for kindergarten so all were held back instead of getting the others into special services and trying to get them caught up. It can't be good to have that many kids the same age if you are not willing to see them as individuals.

Pony said...

Re: Kate blaming issues the children might have on being preemies - there are two different issues with preemies. The first issue is this: when babies are born pre-term (prematurely), they tend to be developmentally where they would be had they been born full term. For instance, if the average age for walking is 12 months, and a child were born 1 month prematurely, then on average, he/she would most likely walk at 13 months - or 12 months after he/she was due. So most milestones typically occur at the chronological date they would have occurred had the child been full term.

As children get older, the difference in birthdate and due date tends to matter less and less because while say 2 months is 1/6 of one's life at a year, it's 1/12 at 2, 1/18 at 3, 1/24 at 4, and so on. The difference in chronological age and the age one would have been keeps getting smaller till it's insignificant.

The second issue with preemies is that there is a higher likelihood of a child who was premature having some diagnosible "learning difference." It's one of the standard questions that is asked when a child is evaluated. That said, it doesn't mean that all preemies go on to have learning differences or any sort of developmental delays.

Assuming that some of the Gosselin children may have some learning issues, my guess is that they are due more to poor parenting than to any real lack of ability or developmental delay. As a previous poster said, there are certain skills that children are supposed to have when they enter kindergarten. We have seen very little evidence that K8 ever bothered to do anything that might help her children acquire these skills. Given that there was an episode where she was passing out scissors and said the kids had to practice using them per their teacher's advice and there was one where she took them somewhere to paint, I am convinced that she never let them color or paint or cut with scissors. Her dislike of mess and disorder, and the need to actually be present, engaged with your children when they learn how to use these things would keep her from every voluntarily breaking out the crayons and markers on any kind of regular basis. Add in her desire to treat them as a coherent unit, and there is a recipe for disaster.

I bet she doesn't even let them play board games much. When they had game night, no one seemed to know how to play the games. By the time my kids were their age, we all knew all the rules to their games because we had played them so much.

I feel very sorry for the kids because she really has stunted their development.

As for missing school - public schools do have to enforce truancy laws. In many states, private schools may have a bit more leeway, but kids still have to attend school most of the time. 20 days absent is a pretty typical number in my state. After that, there are no more "excused absences" for trips, etc. and illnesses must be documented with a doctor's note. What bothers me most is that Kate doesn't seem to think that actually being in class is part of the educational process.

Kat said...

What I find disgusting is the Judge that allowed the children to leave the country for "work" purposes after their Father went to court pleading for this to stop.

Shoshanna said...

Snow Globe said...Enabled Steve? In other words, provided the means? I may be all wrong, but wasn't there a report awhile back that TLC (or the powers that be) found out that Steve was staying overnight (in the basement or garage apartment?) at Kate's house, and told him to pack up and get out of there because he had no business being there?
If they were enabling him, wouldn't they have just looked the other way?

As far as I know, Steve is still ensconced in Kate's house, still travels with her (without his wife), still goes to public appearances with her and, for all we know, is picking out a new set of boobs for her as we speak. If TLC didn't want him around anymore, he would be gone.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Jane in CA said...
I agree w/u PinkDiamond, about the children and where all the sextuplets stand academically. Seems that they could use some real evaluation - which is probably beyond the capability of their private school. People may look down on public schools, but they often have more resources for children who have special needs than do private schools.
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In light of the of expulsion/removal of 2 of the tups, and the extraordinary situation these 8 kids have been placed in with the spotlight on them constantly, due to their mother's choice, it would be ridiculous for the Family Court Judge NOT to appoint a GAL at this juncture, in their best interest.

Let's face it, this is NOT a normal family in normal circumstances. And if there is nothing to fear, this should be done to insure these kids are not train wrecks, if there is nothing to fear. As a precaution, due to their extraordinary circumstances.

anyone know? said...

Is Steve really there when they're not filming? He seems to disappear from the pix unless they're filming or traveling

NewEnglandDreaming said...

anyone know? said...
Is Steve really there when they're not filming? He seems to disappear from the pix unless they're filming or traveling
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I think part of the reason why he's never seen when they're not traveling is because I think he's the one taking some of the pics we see of Kate around town. When Chris, the Pap, isn't around, I'm pretty sure Steve is the one snapping the pics.

NOWAY said...

As an Nicu nurse with 32 years experience, I have to disagree about developmental delays caused by prematurity being a factor. The 6 were born at 30 weeks gestation and because they are multiples, they would be far LESS affected because of that PT birth. Hormones radically influence maturation, and with a 6 pack there would have been hormones and stress (which causes ^ maturity) in large quantities.

The issues we are seeing are likely attributed to poor parenting, lack of 1:1 attention, genetics (K/G are not the brightest or hardest working) and possibly some mild learning disabilities.

Let's face it, Kg couldn't even say who among the 8 were rt vs lft handed (the tups were 4 and the girls 8 at the time), and why AG needed glasses. She never spent any quality time with those children.

CT Mom of 2 said...

Sorry to be a dullard, but how old are the tups and what year were they born?

My daughter is 6, born in 2004, and she is halfway through first grade now. But from what I'm reading, the tups are older than her (born earlier in 2004) and they may have to repeat kindergarten starting in september 2011? Is this possible?

fidosmommy said...

CT Mom of 2 said...
Sorry to be a dullard, but how old are the tups and what year were they born?

My daughter is 6, born in 2004, and she is halfway through first grade now. But from what I'm reading, the tups are older than her (born earlier in 2004) and they may have to repeat kindergarten starting in september 2011? Is this possible?

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They were born May 10, 2004. They were something like 8-10 weeks premature. They attended 1/2 day
preKindergarten for a year, then went to 3-day a week Junior Kindergarten, and repeated that.
The reasons given for that depend on whom you ask. They are now enrolled in full time Kindergarten.
Two were "voluntarily withdrawn"
from the school and are now being homeschooled by unknown teacher.
It is possible at least those 2 might have to repeat Kindergarten, but no decision is made at this time. Kate is hoping they will return to that school in the fall, but where they will be placed will be decided later. As to the other 4 tups, they will be evaluated at the end of the school year to see if they should advance to 1st grade or not, just like every other child is
evaluated.

Mady and Cara reportedly are doing very well in their classes.

It has been argued many times here in discussion that the young children may or may not have some learning disabilities, but it is
agreed that they have had some pretty lousy parenting and skill-
building in their home. Play is
skillbuilding - dressing dolls,
playing with blocks, using crayons, etc. Kate dislikes mess enough that play translates into mess and chaos, so she does not seem to allow it. Then there are
the social development concerns on top of all that. Children are expected to have some level of control over themselves. Therefore, the decisions about 1st grade will hinge on how well the kids have progressed in all these areas.

She's come undone said...

They were born May 10th, 2004. Same day and year as my granddaughter who is half way through the first grade. This means they will be 7 in 3 short months. My grand speaks better than them and is more advance than they are in every area. (I know. I know. You've heard me say this before.) Sorry!

Reading Observer said...

Yes, I work in Domestic Relations e St of PA.

In order for a Guardian ad litem to be brought into the gosselin case,
there would have had to be problems brought to the attention of the court.

Right now, they have not had problems with the police.


At the last minute Jon's atty files for restriction from leaving for holidays and traveling to Australia? Why? custody days

No complaints Kate is a bad mother or had a police record or is doing drugs in her house.

What has happened to the Gosselins is written in stone. They will suffer for life.

Because both of their parents signed those contracts and both of those parents were in the house when filming was conducted in the house and put on you tube.

Yes, both parents have to live with that.

Believe half of what I see said...

When the kids are filmed by Steve or Chris, they do not hide their faces.

When a pap takes their picture, they hide their faces.

Fact

E towner said...

I believe that WG stalked Kate and her kids in the corn maze. She spent an entire day or so, plus a week of investigating when they would be filming in the corn maze.

Why? She was writing a book. Shame on her.

Now that is stalking as much as I don't like to admit it.

I feel that WG did indeed lie to us.

Pony said...

A number of educational studies have shown pretty conclusively that the main factor in school success at third grade is how many words were spoken to a child each day from birth to age 3. The magic number seems to be 30,000 per day. Can anyone imagine any of those children being spoken to enough to hear that many words? For much of their first years Jon was away at work for 8-10 hours a day (counting commute). I would be astounded if Kate spoke anywhere near that much to the children. According to the research I've read, the children who learned the most words heard the most words. "Parents that reached or exceeded the 30,000 words a day tended to narrate what they were doing, or chatter at their kids." All I can recall Kate doing is giving orders.

E-town Neighbor said...

They were born May 10, 2004. They were something like 8-10 weeks premature. They attended 1/2 day
preKindergarten for a year, then went to 3-day a week Junior Kindergarten, and repeated that.

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This is misinformation. They went to a church pre-school for a year, starting in the fall of 2008 when they were four; they went to three-day junior Kindergarten (current school) for a year, starting in the fall of 2009 when they five, but they did NOT repeat that. They started full time Kindergarten at their current school in 2010, when they were six.

Age-wise, they should have been in Kindergarten in the fall of 2009, the year after the church pre-school, but they were placed in junior Kindergarten instead because they were not on track for Kindergarten at their current school.

I often wonder if the kids had been placed in their current school's Pre-School program (instead of the church pre-school) when they were four, if they would have been ready for full-time Kindergarten there when they were five. I think beginning early at their current school would have helped ready them for Kindergarten because the teachers there would have been familiar with the Kindergarten curriculum and could have better prepared them for that class when they turned five.

Monster Mommy said...

I'm so pleased to read the sextuplets' ages... and current status of their schooling is being discussed again. Mothering children-- having been outed/expelled from class for almost an entire year, is not an accomplishment for Kate Gosselin, nor TLC.

I find it so disturbing, that the Gosselin sextuplets will be nearly 19/20 years of age, when they finally graduate from high school at this point. Bringing back two ousted kids a year later this fall... is not going to win any 'brownie points' with the public. Speaking of which, Kate should enroll the children in that very type of organization.

The Cub Scouts, Eagle Scouts, Brownies, and Girl Scouts of America contribute so much to our nation.

Gosselins- Stop the filming, and begin making a difference.

CakeIsGreat said...

I don't get why Gina Nield is talked about as some strong woman, who must have been strong-armed to keep quiet. As far as I know, she isn't a public figure so no one "knows" her. Maybe I'm too much of a cynic, but, it is entirely possible the foursome of Kate/Jon/Steve/Gina deserve each other. It is believed Kate was cool with Jon seeing other women as long as he kept it quiet so their marriage would be in tact for the public and they could continue to rake in the $$$, maybe its the same. Maybe Gina likes having full access to Steves income, and is willing to subject her children to embarrassment instead of settling for half/child support. He is never around, so its not like she has to go around places with him a lot pretending. Who knows, maybe she has someone too. Sadly there are wealthy wives who put up with cheating husbands in order to maintain a certain lifestyle. Heck, my brother, a big sports fan, insists all the time(it's a debate we often have), Ellin Woods is a rare honest, class act, in the world of "Sports Wives". He claims most of the pro sports players (sadly) cheat, and the wives quietly know and look the other way in order to maintain the status they get as a result of being the wife of {insert player here}.

How many "leaked" stories are there about Kate and Steve? Even from NZ. What about leaked stories of the kids from there school? I think if his wife was sitting at home, distraught some reality "star" stole her husband, we would here more stories of her confiding in people, true or not. The fact that nothing has ever been said about her makes me think maybe there's nothing to say. Perhaps she truly doesn't care.

There has been so many plot twists in this freakshow story, nothing would shock me at this point. I just don't think because Kate/TLC have a really bad track record, everyone else that's "against" them (for lack of a wording) should automatically be given the benefit of the doubt. Sadly, I think the only victims in this are all the children that have had no say in how their lives and family publicly came apart.

E-town Neighbor said...

I find it so disturbing, that the Gosselin sextuplets will be nearly 19/20 years of age, when they finally graduate from high school at this point.

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They will be nineteen at graduation FOR TWO WEEKS ONLY. Their birthday is May 10; graduation is typically the third Saturday in May. I seriously doubt that anyone is going to question, at graduation, their having turned 19 two weeks earlier considering the fact that many kids graduate when they are 18.



E towner said...

I believe that WG stalked Kate and her kids in the corn maze. She spent an entire day or so, plus a week of investigating when they would be filming in the corn maze.
Why? She was writing a book. Shame on her.
Now that is stalking as much as I don't like to admit it.
I feel that WG did indeed lie to us.

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Just so there is no confusion. Even though our IDs are similar, I am not posting as E towner. I would not say that WG stalked someone or lied to us.

CAStudioGirl said...

Pony mentioned: A number of educational studies have shown pretty conclusively that the main factor in school success at third grade is how many words were spoken to a child each day from birth to age 3

As a parent of one adult and one late teen child both who were extremely successful at academics, sports, arts and social interaction I cannot argue that a key ingredient was parent involvement, participation, love and support - I just cringe when I read things like this because the valid point can be lost to bad facts. If we use 30,000 words per day as a fact and we presume that the child is awake 12 hours every single day of their lives from birth to three, the parent would need to be speaking 42 words each and every single minute of the 12 hours a day, no napping, no "down time", no time for them to work out their own responses. I don't know about others, but my infants slept most of each 24 hour period the first six months, and nursed enthusiastically for a couple hours of the remaining time. Clearly this "mother" could have done hundreds and hundreds of things better/differently than she did. But I think it is important our critique to be careful and as correct as we can state it. We should evaluate the statements we make for "soundness"

To check my math 30000(quoted words per day) / 720 (minutes in 12 hours = 41.6666 words per minute. I'm a pretty prolific talker and I was raising girl children (both of whom were born prematurely, one didn't speak until she was 3 and the other spoke at 8 months). While certainly a parent of a non-speaking child (a good parent), spends a lot of time saying the name of EVERYTHING the child see's and labeling every activity out loud, but still ... 42 words a minute without a break seems - exhausting if not implausible. My girls consistently tested in the top 5 percent on standardized and content test in their Honors and AP classes (once they got into middle and HS), so clearly the substantially less words I said to them everyday didn't hurt cognitive function or academic achievement. These children are suffering in part due to wholesale neglect, but also due to being treated as one child with 6 heads and 12 arms and legs. My own 10 siblings couldn't possibly have been more different and it was the absolute joy of my mother to see the unique spirit of each of her children "unfold" before her - she considered it the greatest honor of her life. I've tried to pass this experience on to my own two vastly different and most astonishingly wonderful girls. I wonder what do these children think/feel their mother think/feels about them. From minor photographic evidence, it seems as though their father is managing to communicate his joy and pride and love for each of them individually. I was never a regular watcher of the program, but the times I did watch when they were infant/toddlers, I was greatly impressed at the detailed and accurate observations Jon made about his children. It seemed to me very early on that Kate was already making sweeping generalizations about "the girls" or "the boys". Gender is only ONE thing we are, it is only ONE thing our children are.

LancNative said...

In order for a Guardian ad litem to be brought into the gosselin case,
there would have had to be problems brought to the attention of the court.

Right now, they have not had problems with the police.

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Please check 231 PA Code, Rule 12.4. Are you saying that in order for a GAL to be appointed, there needs to be problems with the police? I don't understand your statement.

If there is a dispute in custody/visitation (which there is) the court may appoint a GAL; and, according to Pa Code: "On petition of the accountant or any party in interest, or upon its own motion, the Court may appoint (1) a guardian ad litem TO REPRESENT A MINOR or an incompetent not represented by a guardian..."

LancNative said...

E towner said: I believe that WG stalked Kate and her kids in the corn maze. She spent an entire day or so, plus a week of investigating when they would be filming in the corn maze.
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Where did you hear that? WG went at 2:15 p.m.; the kids came at 3 p.m. and stayed between 15-20 minutes. WG left IMMEDIATELY after they did. That is hardly ALL DAY.

I Heart Buffy said...

I hope that IF the 2 tups that were expelled have to stay back, that the other 4 don't get held back also because Kate "can't stand to separate them". I hope they all move forward to first grade, but worst case, if this happens, then we will know Kate is an even bigger POS than we ever thought. They'll be 20 y.o high school graduates for crying out loud!

Pony said...

CAStudioGirl, with all due respect, I didn't pull the number of words that "need" to be spoken to small children out of thin air. It is based on the research of two professors at the University of Kansas - Betty Hart, Ph.D. and Todd Risley, Ph.D. I didn't do the research study; I just reported their findings. I tend to agree that the number, when broken down minute by minute seems a bit high - I imagine it's possible that they extrapolated the number based on the recordings they made of children and their parents. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that in order to learn verbal skills, children need to be exposed to words. And we sure never saw much exposure to many words in the interaction that Kate had on the show. It's only one piece of the puzzle. Obviously her inability or unwillingness to see the children as individuals is another problem. And her desire to use them as little ATMs is the proverbial straw.

Snow Globe said...

"When the kids are filmed by Steve or Chris, they do not hide their faces.

When a pap takes their picture, they hide their faces.

Fact"

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Isn't Chris a pap?

Jane in CA said...

At the last minute Jon's atty files for restriction from leaving for holidays and traveling to Australia? Why? custody days

No complaints Kate is a bad mother or had a police record or is doing drugs in her house.
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That's apples and oranges. No one has said or suggested that Kate has a criminal record or is doing drugs in her home. Jon was objecting to her removing the kids from school and taking them out of the country to work. Any objections he has would be based on providing evidence as to why this is not a good idea. Your two scenarios have nothing to do with the other. Relevant information would have included declarations from the childrens' teachers that said a prolonged absence would significantly impact their academics and affect their grades; or information that the children would be filmed in an amount that exceeds that allowed by Coogan's Law, in addition to pointing out that Jon would be losing out on his limited custodial time. That's the kind of supporting evidence that would go along with such a petition.

Many parents do have conflict over when and where the other parent may take the children. What Jon should have done to begin with, was refuse to sign for the children to get passports. Both parents must sign their permission.

If he still has similar concerns whenever the childrens' passports expire, he should refuse to sign his permission to have them renewed.

Inspiration Station said...

Mothering children-- having been outed/expelled from class for almost an entire year, is not an accomplishment for Kate Gosselin, nor TLC.

^^^^^^^^^^

Almost an entire year? It hasn't even been four months!

dustilies said...

Lanc Native wrote:

"On petition of the accountant or any party in interest, or upon its own motion, the Court may appoint (1) a guardian ad litem TO REPRESENT A MINOR or an incompetent not represented by a guardian..."

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Aha! Guardians ad litem guard the incompetent! So Steve is not just a boobyguard, but also a GAL-pal?

dustilies said...

NOWAY--

Thank you so much for sharing your expertise on multiples and preemies!

Fascinating that multiplehood could protect against some of the effects of premature birth.

Didn't someone here find an article about how HOMs tend to hit the developmental milestones quicker than their singleton peers? When one toddler figures out how to climb on to the couch, the rest see it and are inspired to try. Sibling rivalry is a spur, but also multiples want their sibs to keep up, so they help them master the new skill.

Especially sad then, that these tups have been so poorly parented that they have lost all the developmental advantages that go with being part of a HOM set. I had the joy of seeing how unstoppable my own kids' drive to learn new things and master skills and concepts was (and is). But Kate managed to slow it way down in hers.

LancNative said...

Aha! Guardians ad litem guard the incompetent! So Steve is not just a boobyguard, but also a GAL-pal?

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LOL!! Nope. GALs are appointed to REPRESENT incompetents who aren't represented by a guardian. Since this particular incompetent IS represented by a bodyguard (guardian) then she isn't entitled to a GAL-pal!!

E-town Neighbor said...

or information that the children would be filmed in an amount that exceeds that allowed by Coogan's Law,

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Unfortunately, PA doesn't have a Coogan's Law, and the amount of hours that the kids may work here in PA doesn't apply to filming in Australia.

readerlady said...

Inspiration Station said:
"Amost an entire year? It hasn't even been four months!"

No, it hasn't been almost an entire year, but it has been almost half the school year. The two children in question were expelled sometime in October. Assuming their school lets out around the end of May, there's only about 3 1/2 months of school left. IMO, that's a disgrace and Khate in particular, and Jon to some extent, have no one to blame than themselves. Of course, we've all seen just how much priority Khate gives to education. In her mind "culturing" the children (expensive trips) is more important. I was raised to believe that education was a number one priority and that NOTHING was to stand in its way. For someone who insisted that the kids couldn't get their inheritance, should something happen to her and Jon, until they were some ridiculous age (was it 35?) unless they went to college, Khate has certainly come a long way NOT. Jon was more realistic, pointing out that college wasn't for everyone and that the kids could still be successful and productive if they chose to study something hands-o, like mechanics or plumbing. I wonder how Khate would have reacted had Jon's father applied the same principle to him?

Other paps??? said...

Believe half of what I see said...
When the kids are filmed by Steve or Chris, they do not hide their faces.
When a pap takes their picture, they hide their faces.
Fact

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Not so quick there. The pics taken of the kids hiding their faces were taken by Chris for INF. Who else is taking their pictures?

CT Mom of 2 said...

OK, thank you for the clarification on their ages. I remember reading something here that some of the tups were ready for kindergarten but J&K held all of them back so they'd be together - I question the wisdom of that - they are certainly not one uniform "pack" of children and need separate identities!!

Clearly there are other BIG behavioral & attitude issues here aside from academic abilities (which do vary widely in a "normal" K or 1st-grade classroom.) Nobody gets asked to withdraw from kindergarten b/c they are lagging behind in sight-word recognition.

I just hope J&K get their act together and help these kids learn how to "relate" in the real world, otherwise one or many of those children will be in front of a Judge before too long. :(

Drake said...

Jane in Ca wrote that Jon could have provided "information that the children would be filmed in an amount that exceeds that allowed by Coogan's Law." But don't forget that the Coogan's Law doesn't apply in this case because the kids aren't in CA.

Also, in regard to "Many parents do have conflict over when and where the other parent may take the children. What Jon should have done to begin with, was refuse to sign for the children to get passports. Both parents must sign their permission":

My actor son's agents required him to get a passport before he even had his first job, both "just in case" he had to film out of the country and because he needed a photo ID for work purposes that was more 'official' than a school ID. So I imagine the Gosselins got their passports years ago, back when Jon was still in the picture and still okay with filming.

Proud Grandma said...

*Also, in regard to "Many parents do have conflict over when and where the other parent may take the children. What Jon should have done to begin with, was refuse to sign for the children to get passports. Both parents must sign their permission":*****************

I seem to remember a year or so ago there was an episode with the family at the passport office and a big deal was made of it when John accidentally used the "K" word. Kate went balistic that he dared to mention Korea as she wanted to go incognito. Right, Kate will never go anywhere incognito, she wants to be a Staaa and have everyone know what a wonderful woman she is.
So, I think the kids had passports before the split.

Kat said...

I was just reading traits of a narcissistic person, OMG, Kate Gosselin is a textbook case. Those poor children!!!!

jasmine said...

It was interesting that germaphobic Kate was sitting with her children on the floor when they applied for their passports. And until she yelled at Jon, no one was even paying attention to them.

so sick of her said...

Ok, have noticed that, recent articles comments are becoming fewer or none. This is good news. It means people are sick & tired of Kate. I was surfing recently and cam across pics of Victoria Beckman, and she and Kate could pass for sisters. Not in body or face, but manner. Victoria was carrying a cell-phone like if it were a life-line, heel shoes, fashion whatever. Wonder if Kate is copying? Kate also reminds me of Anna Nichole Smith, in fact Kate looks a little like Anna. The bleached out hair, same entitled life?. Could be twins. LOLOLOL Kate is patterning herself off of a few real celebs. Those are 2 I see. Any others?

Alice Bluegown said...

Also, in regard to "Many parents do have conflict over when and where the other parent may take the children. What Jon should have done to begin with, was refuse to sign for the children to get passports. Both parents must sign their permission":

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There was an episode where they got their passports, wasn't there?

The kids were all sitting on the floor coloring, and I think Kate was on the floor also, and Jon said something about a trip they were planning on taking.

Kate went off on him for quite a length of time about him saying the destination "out loud."

I think they were getting passports.

Am I remembering this episode correctly?

She was so loud and so hateful that I felt sick for Jon.

He apologized walked away from her, but I wanted to punch her lights out.

Can't See Sheep said...

Jane in CA said...
At the last minute Jon's atty files for restriction from leaving for holidays and traveling to Australia? Why? custody days

No complaints Kate is a bad mother or had a police record or is doing drugs in her house.
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That's apples and oranges. No one has said or suggested that Kate has a criminal record or is doing drugs in her home. Jon was objecting to her removing the kids from school and taking them out of the country to work. Any objections he has would be based on providing evidence as to why this is not a good idea. Your two scenarios have nothing to do with the other. (snipped)
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Great post Jane. I also imagine Jon's last minute filing for restriction was due to that possibly he didn't find out they were going to Australia until the last minute. I seriously doubt k8 let him know well in advance that he wouldn't be having his time with the children, she's proven she's inconsiderate like that, especially if she wants to get her own way. Also she could have thought he may object & gave him as little time as possible to file an objection in. I don't know about custody that well, so I don't know how far ahead k8 would have had to have told Jon about her plans & the complete disruption of his.

I agree Jon should just simply refuse to sign for their passports the next time they come due. That would at least limit where she can drag them off to during his custody time with them. Although I bet TLC will find something to haul him into court to try & get him to do it.

Mrs. Robinson said...

I wonder how Khate would have reacted had Jon's father applied the same principle to him?

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I am totally missing something here. Jon didn't go to college, so his father DID apply the same principle to him. How did Kate react?

LancNative said...

Readerlady commented,

"No, it hasn't been almost an entire year, but it has been almost half the school year. The two children in question were expelled sometime in October. Assuming their school lets out around the end of May, there's only about 3 1/2 months of school left. IMO, that's a disgrace and Khate in particular, and Jon to some extent, have no one to blame than themselves."

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What is a disgrace? That there are only 3 1/2 months of school left? What does that have to do with their being expelled? If a child is dismissed, he/she is not going back after only a month, or two months, and not in the middle of a trimester. The kids have to be re-assessed, and that's not going to happen until at least until after spring break, if that. More likely it wouldn't be before next school year.

WonderButton said...

I totally agree with Readerlady. It IS a disgrace, and by my count, the kids have missed MORE than half the academic year.

Late Aug through Sept - OK
Oct - I'll give them the month
Nov through May - NO ATTENDANCE

If you look at a traditional academic year, the "weren't expelled" kids missed a semester and a half....which is more than half the two-semester academic year.

WonderButton said...

And just a comment on the blog iteself - I think the mods are doing an amazing job.

After reading here for just over 2 years, I've come to appreciate the wit, wisdom and concern of many long-time, regular contributors.

Lyn said...

Just came across two of her books at the Dollar Tree...

readerlady said...

Mrs. Robinson - actually, Jon's father didn't apply the same principle to him. He passed away when Jon was in his mid 20's, and Jon received his inheritance. Had he applied the same principle, Jon would still be waiting for his inheritance, because he's only 33 (or 34?) now. My guess is that Khate would have reacted by throwing a very loud, very public hissy fit had Jon's inheritance been delayed. She also wouldn't have been so quick to kick him to the curb, because she would have wanted to get her paws on that money.

LancNative - I didn't explain myself very well. Sorry. It's been a long couple of days. I meant that it's a disgrace that 2 of the children were so ill-prepared that they will miss most of the school year. This most likely could have been avoided if Khate, in particular, bothered to spend a little time teaching her children instead of trying to "culture" them.

Jane in CA said...

Unfortunately, PA doesn't have a Coogan's Law, and the amount of hours that the kids may work here in PA doesn't apply to filming in Australia.
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I should have clarified a bit more - I do realize that Coogan's Law does not apply to the Gosselin children because a) they are on reality tv and supposedly not actors and b) they are not filming in California. What I meant was that if I were putting together such a petition, I would include information on laws that do determine what are reasonable working hours for children in front of a camera. Certainly, one very well known example in Coogan's Law. It could be cited as supporting evidence for a concern that the children would work longer hours than is generally accepted as good for them.

TLC has Jon in a tough spot. I imagine they are always ready to file more suits against him if he kicks up too much of a fuss. The best he can hope for (and us as well) is that eventually the interest and viewership for the children will decline to very low levels, and TLC will drop the show.

Even so, until they reach adulthood, Kate is going to make their lives miserable because that's how she rolls. She will continually disparage their father to them, she will belittle their choices if it doesn't fall in line with what she wants them to do, and basically be a miserable old cow that they will have to deal with until they can get away from her. I hope that as soon as they hit the teen years, they can petition the court to go live with their father. At around age 12-13, that's when most courts will let the children speak to the judge and express their wishes.

Good luck Gosselin 8!

anotherthing... said...

There sure are some insightful posts this free discussion.

I just cant help but think of Jon. I am not sure why; I dont know that it would or could make any bit of difference, I just would love to know what went down with the whole 'shutting-him-up' thing.

It seems so backwards. You can sort of see a guy, at this point, who is standing there, looking like a dog with his head down and tail between his legs. He is kind of acting like (and saying things along the lines) he knows he messed up by putting the kids out there on TLC.

He messed up again following the divorce. And now the TLC machine is chewing him up by making it hard for him to

a) defend himself against kate -he cant make statement, but she sure can get her point accross

b)he cant make money on tv- but kate sure can

c) he cant stop the filming of the kids- but they agreed early on that it was their "joint decision" and as a parent, he cant stop her from pulling 'their kids' out of school endlessly??? how is TLC manipulating that? how can a father not look out for the best interests of his children????

i know its really not a topic that will end in anything being solved. but, still, i wonder HOW?

How in the world does a man basically lose his parental rights to a freaking tv network?

And let me just be clear and say, I am not a huge fan of Jon, but in the end, he is still their dad. He is really, their best hope in ending this nightmare (sad, but true).

LancNative said...

If you look at a traditional academic year, the "weren't expelled" kids missed a semester and a half....which is more than half the two-semester academic year.

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They are not on a two-semester academic year. It's a trimester year, and the second trimester doesn't end until spring break in March.

Regardless, it's six of one and a half dozen of another. Bottom line is that it is a disgrace that there was a mandatory dismissal. All of the culturing in the world didn't prepare them for Kindergarten. It's also sad that their mother was so busy flitting here and there that she didn't see this coming; or if she did, the easiest way to deal with the problem was not to acknowledge that there was one. You can't sweep it under the rug indefinitely. There comes a time when what is under there finds its way out.

Let's hope that these kids do well and can be mainstreamed into their regular classes.

WonderButton said...

They are not on a two-semester academic year. It's a trimester year, and the second trimester doesn't end until spring break in March.
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OK, I stand corrected. Instead of missing 1.5 semesters of a two-semester academic year, the kids have missed 2.5 semesters of a three-semester academic year.

And to clarify, the children themselves are not a disgrace. Kate, Jon, and the myriad powers that be at TLC are disgraeful individuals for ignoring the needs and robbing the childhoods of these innocent children.

Exhausted said...

anotherthing said...

And let me just be clear and say, I am not a huge fan of Jon, but in the end, he is still their dad. He is really, their best hope in ending this nightmare (sad, but true).

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I know exactly how you feel. Unfortunately, Jon played right into TLC's hands. I can never get past his taking that ridiculous bachelor pad in NYC. Looking back, I wonder if TLC footed the bill for that in order to make Jon look like a playboy and distract everyone from Kate's wretchedness. I think there is room for redemption, and I think at the heart of things, Jon's a much kinder person than Kate (who isn't?)...but I can't help but wonder how different things would be if Jon had thought about the kids' rights and what they needed from the getgo instead of letting them all get trapped into this mess.

fidosmommy said...

Jon might come out the better for it because he was not allowed to make money on TV. It caused him to have to get a steady job in the real world. So, when the gravy train stops for Kate, she will have her readjustments to look forward to - downsizing, doing without, etc. Jon will already have done that and will be able to
forge ahead with nary a blip on his radar. And the kids are already used to Daddy not being able to provide big ticket items - and they still adore him. He won't have to explain why he isn't taking them to (name fancy locale)
anymore. They'll just be happy to be in the same room with him.

DUCK said...

Do you think Jon's apt. in NY had anything to do with Kate wanting to move to NY? When that didn't happen for whatever reason, TLC stopped funding Jon's place.

From things I have read/seen, seems Jon never really wanted the family to be out there, he wanted to support them, he wanted their privacy. I think he got manipulated into things because of controlling Kate-threats of somesort or fights (who knows how she played him)- and what she wanted to do. I know his child support payments are high. He would need a really high paying job to pay those AND live. Do you think TLC pays him so he can make child support so he is bond to them so the kids keep filming?

Jon, like most parents, has screwed up-but he seems to really care about/love his kids and has their best interest at heart. I think his hands are tied-initially by a controlling wife, now by TLC.

Our Busy Monkeys said...

thought this information might give a chuckle or two...

Kate's book (Multiple Blessings)is being sold in the DOLLAR STORE!!!!!

at least in Canada,

LMAO

Cheaper By The Dozen said...

Our Busy Monkeys said...

thought this information might give a chuckle or two...

Kate's book (Multiple Blessings)is being sold in the DOLLAR STORE!!!!!

at least in Canada,

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It's been TWO for a dollar here in our area for the past few months!

Can't See Sheep said...

DUCK said...
From things I have read/seen, seems Jon never really wanted the family to be out there, he wanted to support them, he wanted their privacy. I think he got manipulated into things because of controlling Kate-threats of somesort or fights (who knows how she played him)- and what she wanted to do.
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From experiences I've had, narcissists are positively horrific until things are done the way they want them to be done. They are relentless, constantly at you & make life an absolute hell until you give in to how they wish to do things. If they have a plan heaven help you, because one way or another they're determined you're going to do what they've decided. And in my experience it's always been something hair brained or self-serving that no one with an ounce of common sense would touch. It's like Idiotfest & you get a front row seat whether you want it or not.

Every minute, every opportunity they get they are on you pushing their agenda & they don't give up, they're worse than a dog with a bone, the dog will eventually bury that bone for later, a narcissist won't. They'll argue & argue & even keep you up late arguing or wake you up early & argue. They are just at you & at you & at you, it seems like it's coming from all sides, exhausting you until you don't have the energy to do anything, much less put up a fight anymore. All the while jumping up & down on your self-esteem, feelings & boundaries like they're some free for all trampoline & the entire town has been invited.

Poor Jon probably had no idea who he was really marrying. N's are so manipulative & charming when they wish to be, boy can they pour on the sugar. That's one of the flags when you know about them, if you're having a conversation with someone & feel "diabetic shock" be wary. I bet k8 was very charming & sweet & did things he perceived as cutesy (we've all seen her do things she seems to think of as cutesy), then the poor bugger married her & has been on the losing end of the stick ever since.

last2cu said...

TLC has a casting call on their face book site.. I posted "Greeaaat! Now you can find another Kate Gosselin to make us miserable and to ruin their children's lives" it was up for a while then they took it down..lol

Brummygirl said...

What can you see and hear in Gosselin Land?...nothing..and that's how I like it.
Enjoy it whilst it lasts!! :)

Ladylou said...

In Michigan both books "Multiple Blessings" & "Eight Little Faces" are on sale at the dollar store.

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

I can't imagine anyone wanting to sign up for a Reality TV show on TLC, or any channel. If I composed a list of the failed marriages and families, since the inception of this phenomena... we would all be appalled.

TLC doesn't focus on a healthy family unit, because it doesn't attract TV ratings. They sign you up to fail. Kate Gosselin is the butt of the Reality TV joke.

Shhh said...

When you think about it what makes good reality TV makes for a lousy life. The kinds of things that are "exciting" and the producers push are frequently the very things most of us try to avoid in life: conflict, arguments, scenes, and disruption.

Snow Globe said...

TLC doesn't focus on a healthy family unit, because it doesn't attract TV ratings.

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Is this what happened to the Hayes family? There were too healthy, too wholesome, too "normal," with no controversy and a husband (employed and hard-working) and wife who actually loved and respected each other?

dustilies said...

Well said, Shhhhh.

Reality tv is such a hall of mirrors. So seductive and so treacherous.

Reading Observer said...

When on WG and MODERATOR SIGN IS ON, you can ask a question and get an answer. Last week, maybe Sunday, the sign was on and the moderator called herself/himself the Administrator and said they would be running the Blog as WG was an E Consultant, that is what I read.

Is WG posting articles each month or bi monthly?

Is WG the Administrator, I did not get that from the wording. Also, the Bio on WG now goes from local counselor to a full blown Therapist, which was not on there before.

Yes, I feel like I was lied to, but this is the internet, where mystery abounds, huh?

You want to think well of WG, fine. If I don't then it is also okay. I don't like lying.

go to the source said...

Reading Observer said...
When on WG and MODERATOR SIGN IS ON, you can ask a question and get an answer. Last week, maybe Sunday, the sign was on and the moderator called herself/himself the Administrator and said they would be running the Blog as WG was an E Consultant, that is what I read.

Is WG posting articles each month or bi monthly?

Is WG the Administrator, I did not get that from the wording. Also, the Bio on WG now goes from local counselor to a full blown Therapist, which was not on there before.

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WG has always been the owner/admin of her own blog. The moderation sign has been up for AGES and she approves all comments that go through. I believe she's answered all of your questions about her profession. If you have any more questions I'm sure you can ask her directly on her blog and get the truth.

Nonsense said...

Reading Observer said...
When on WG and MODERATOR SIGN IS ON, you can ask a question and get an answer. Last week, maybe Sunday, the sign was on and the moderator called herself/himself the Administrator and said they would be running the Blog as WG was an E Consultant, that is what I read.

Is WG posting articles each month or bi monthly?

Is WG the Administrator, I did not get that from the wording. Also, the Bio on WG now goes from local counselor to a full blown Therapist, which was not on there before.
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Where are you reading this? Are you sure it's not coming from a sheeple site? What you're reporting is not anything that is there right now, nor what I've seen there and I've been following her blog since it started.

Her blog states: "I am a licensed professional counselor in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. A license is not required for my job, but I choose to be licensed."

She writes new blog entries whenever she feels like it or has time or there is something new to discuss. If you check her past entries you'll see that there is no schedule or regularity to them.

As for calling themself an admin or moderator - I've never seen anything on her blog like that. The format looks the same as it always has, to me anyway. Polly answered the accusation about being an E! consultant in response to this question:
"A poster on another blog has stated that the administrator of this blog, because WG is an E! consultant, is now in charge of this blog. I'm not sure I understand this..."

Werny Gal said..."I have no idea what this is about but it sounds like another crazy conspiracy theory. I started this blog with the user name Werny Gal. I was an interviewee on the E! show as myself, Polly Kahl. I am not a consultant to E! and E! is unrelated to this blog. There were several interviewees and I was one of them, period. Thanks for checking this silly thing out with me. More people should be so responsible."

Shoka's Understudy said...

Joan Rivers was on George Lopez the night before last and ripped kate:

Joan said that kate and her kids had moved to NYC. And she was glad because if they had another terrorist attack, everybody could hide in her uterus.

About DWTS: She said she was afraid that when kate would swing around that 3 more kids would pop out!

Shoka's Understudy said...

Speaking of charity, Jon helped his brother raise money for his daughter's girls soccer team. So this would be Jon's niece.

kate must of let him have it when she found out he was going to do it.

I am glad that Jon did help.

LancNative said...

Speaking of charity, Jon helped his brother raise money for his daughter's girls soccer team. So this would be Jon's niece.

kate must of let him have it when she found out he was going to do it.

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That was last spring. His brother, Thomas, coaches the team at The Mount in Emmittsburg (Maryland). John signed autographs at a bar there and donated the proceeds to the team. Kate and Jon were divorced by then. Why would Kate really let him have it when she found out he was going to do it? She was busy rubbing elbows with the rich and famous to care that he was signing a few autographs.

so sick of her said...

Kates out of hiding, making the talk rounds. Just read, that she is gonna be on next tuesday: The Talk. Kate must have gone to NYC to do her hair. the last 2 pics we saw of her picking the kids up, the first one when she had no coat on(also part of liquorgate), her hair had roots showing. Then last pics we saw of her, with coat on , her roots were not showing, and it was several days since the, no coat pics, enough time to fly to NYC and back. So, what kid of garbage is Kate gonna lie/cry/complain/BS about, this time. Maybe she & purseboy are engaged, she probably will bash Jon, talk about the not expelled kids,(which she says is a private matter, NOT), talk about Aussie/NZ, or talk about her Twisted Kate show. So what do you guys think she is gonna talk about? I won't be watching cause I won't be home.

so sick of her said...

I'm sure the Sheeple are gonna be dancing around the maypole, cause her royal A-holeness will be on TV. Cindi Lauper is also on the show. And it's filmed in LA. Does that mean TLC is getting ready to put on one of the specials? So who is gonna watch the kids, nanny or dad?

Yuck said...

Kate will be flying to LA to film the Talk. Wonder is purseboy is going with her. I guess we will see pictures of that all over the internet now.

Anonymous said...

"Kates out of hiding, making the talk rounds. So what do you guys think she is gonna talk about?"

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She will discuss the ONLY thing she EVER talks about: HERSELF.

SHE is her own only real interest and steering all conversation to center all around HER is her own capability.

Exhausted said...

Maybe I don't know my daytime TV, but The Talk doesn't seem nearly as huge as Today, The View, or Regis and Kelly. Or is it? Has she fallen out of favor of the really good shows? Hope so. And isn't this the show that's set up very similar to the Paula Deen pilot that Kate bombed? I bet that has to be a tiny stab in the gut...even for a narcissist!

Kate has no interest in the kids, but she doesn't even realize she's supposed to LOOK LIKE a good mother. I have two young children, and I would never travel that far without bringing them. "Me time" isn't supposed to exist when you have so many children. Also, if I made as much as Kate has made over the years, I would really weigh offers like this (appearing on a show for 15 minutes) and decide if they were worth it. She should have enough where they could live comfortably for a long time. But I guess to Kate, everything that gets her away from them is worth it...

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

I would like to express my appreciation to the mods for providing a blog where we can have civil discussions and discourse and express ourselves on all things Gosselin.

We are not necessarily members of one tribe. We make our own observations, form our individual opinions influenced by diverse life experiences, and we speak with passion.

We do not speak with one voice nor are we of the same mind. We don't all engage in groupthink and we needn't exclude anyone nor censure anyone other than for rudeness, incivility, bullying, etc.

Generally we do share some common ground. Otherwise we would not visit or contribute to Gosselin blogs.

We do have respect for the truth, disdain for the exploitation of the Gosselins and a hope for a return to normalcy for two sets of young multiples.

We often claim that we'll stop commenting and criticizing Kate G when she steps out of the limelight, and the corollary is that I will express my concern and comment about those who choose to step into the public domain, who publish books on the Gosselins, who appear on television to comment on the Gosselins and who continue to exploit the Gosselins.
Publicly. In print. On camera.

What is sauce for the Gosselins is sauce for others too.

Reading news said...

"Shoka's Understudy said...
Joan Rivers was on George Lopez the night before last and ripped kate:

Joan said that kate and her kids had moved to NYC. And she was glad because if they had another terrorist attack, everybody could hide in her uterus. "

Actually nothing Joan said was derogatory about Kate. I am sure Kate was thrilled to death that Joan has made her part of her comedy routine. Remember even bad publicity is better than none.

About DWTS: She said she was afraid that when kate would swing around that 3 more kids would pop out!

Sharla said...

We have a thread for The Talk. Thanks.

E-town Neighbor said...

Reading said,

"Actually nothing Joan said was derogatory about Kate. I am sure Kate was thrilled to death that Joan has made her part of her comedy routine. Remember even bad publicity is better than none."


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I'm not so sure I would say that. Derogatory means to detract or diminish (the character of something or someone). I wouldn't exactly say that calling attention to her [huge] uterus or popping out three more kids was complimentary!

In the know said,

"The house is being shown a lot, with so many out of state license plates on cars pulling up to the gates."

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Someone is sitting out there watching on a daily basis?

Some time ago, somebody said that her house was for sale, but when asked for a link to the listing, or the name of the "exclusive" New York listing company, there was no reply. It would seem that somebody in the know certainly could have provided this information. Internet research yielded nothing, if I am remembering correctly.

Who is the listing agent?

"But at the end of their relationship when she changed physically and got the stares, he didn't like it, but he is as much responsible for what has happened to those kids as she is."

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The end of their relationship was in the fall of 2008-early winter of 2009, after the fake wedding renewal vows ceremony. She wasn't getting stares then. She didn't change "physically" until after the divorce, when she was on the cover of People magazine (January 2010) with her new hair extensions -- the Kate's Starting Over issue.

Mr. Steve Gosselin said...

LancNative said...
Speaking of charity, Jon helped his brother raise money for his daughter's girls soccer team. So this would be Jon's niece.

kate must of let him have it when she found out he was going to do it.

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That was last spring. His brother, Thomas, coaches the team at The Mount in Emmittsburg (Maryland). John signed autographs at a bar there and donated the proceeds to the team. Kate and Jon were divorced by then. Why would Kate really let him have it when she found out he was going to do it? She was busy rubbing elbows with the rich and famous to care that he was signing a few autographs.

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Remember Coupon Gate? We never buy anything with a coupon!!!!
She is the most cheapest, skinflint on the East Coast! except for herself.

Those autographs were worth money and she would want that money, just like she got money for the pictures at the churches, speaking engagements in 20 dollar encriments, love offerings, book sales, and the worst money making move of them all.

Many TLC checks made out to kate gosselin for her kids working and being filmed to support her lavish lifestyle and now for number 10. (PurseBoy).

Shoka's Understudy

Sunrise, Sunset said...

Those autographs were worth money and she would want that money, just like she got money for the pictures at the churches, speaking engagements in 20 dollar encriments, love offerings, book sales, and the worst money making move of them all.

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Kate is what she is, but I can't see her showing up at a bar in Maryland, demanding proceeds that were earmarked for a girls university soccer team. That's peanuts to her. How many autographs could he have sold? I mean, his photographs and signatures really aren't in such great demand that they would turn up on eBay at $1,000 a pop.

Coupon Gate was staged, set up by TLC to get tongues wagging and to show Kate behaving badly. Do you really think Kate uses coupons for everything -- hair extensions, tanning, new shoes (at Boscovs) etc. etc.?

I wish a cashier at Giant would spill the beans about how many coupons she uses in the store.
Isn't there a "Lived in Wernersville and Know Everything," and "In the Know," "Reading Observer," "Peace & Quiet" here who must know someone who knows someone who knows someone who works at Giant!

How much of a coupon-clipper is she -- really??!!

Tami said...

The end of their relationship was in the fall of 2008-early winter of 2009, after the fake wedding renewal vows ceremony. She wasn't getting stares then. She didn't change "physically" until after the divorce, when she was on the cover of People magazine (January 2010) with her new hair extensions -- the Kate's Starting Over issue.

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This is simply not true. During the course of the show while still married, she started with that wacky hairstyle, the tummy tuck, weight loss, veneers, different clothing and shoe style..not the tramp she is now, but still much different from when they met!