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72 comments:

Can't See Sheep said...

Retired Now, MD, FACS said...

(from the previous thread)



That was a beautiful post.

silimom said...

From a previous thread: It gives her the opportunity to say 'oh I only use sitters half the week.' This has to be a new thing. In the past I think it's clear she had multiple nannies full time.
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I agree but let's look at her current situation. The kids are in school. They leave on the bus at what? 6:30? 7:00? And if memory serves they don't get back until 4:00/4:30? (please correct me if I'm wrong).

She obviously only needs her babysitters now half days instead of full days. In Kate math that equals half the week.
The homeschooling tutor/sitter doesn't count.

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Retired Now, MD, FACS... thank you for a great post. I wish "Katie" would read it and truly reflect on what she has done. However I don't think introspection is one of her strengths.

The Gentle People said...

She obviously only needs her babysitters now half days instead of full days. In Kate math that equals half the week.

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Why does she need sitters at all? If she can't take care of those children before and after school for only a few hours, and on weekends when they are not with Jon, then she has no business being a parent.

I was born and raised in Amish country. Large families are everywhere. Mothers stay at home, bake from scratch, can veggies, "put up" jams and jellies, tend the garden, take their produce to sell on market, sew all of the clothing, cook three meals a day, wash the clothing in large tubs, and hang clothing outside on the washline that extends from the barn to the house, clean the outhouse, slop the hogs, milk the cows and feed the chickens. That's barely making a dent in all of the chores they do from sunrise to sunset and beyond.

In addition, they help with schoolwork (or they homeschool), and still manage to be hands-on mothers to six or eight (or more) kids. Depending upon the Order to which they belong, many families do not have electricity or cars. The men of the family are working the fields, doing building maintenance, mending fences, and other manual labor. Other than producing them, they have a very small role in raising the children.

One show I would definitely watch would feature Kate living with an Amish family for one week. She couldn't survive 15 minutes outside at a campsite...can you imagine the meltdown she would have in an Amish farmhouse?

Several years ago I did a piece on life among the Amish who cling to the confines of their religious community, existing in a pre-industrialized world. I lived with them for ten days. It was indeed an eye-opening experience that taught me a new respect for their way of life. I also gained an unbelievable appreciation for what we "English" (as they call us) take for granted.

Kate can't care for her kids without a sitter? She has ALL DAY, five days a week to do her "alone time," pampering herself and only herself. I'd be ashamed to admit that I had to have help to take care of those children. Would a single mother need help with infants and toddlers? Certainly! But not with children who are in school five days a week.

Sorry for the rant. It's just mind-boggling to me that she can't take care of these children without live-in help. In addition, she has home maintenance employees as well. I wonder if Kate ever cleaned that pool, maintained chemical balance, or knows how to backwash a filter. What exactly does Kan-Do Kate do around that house?

Have Faith GWOPers can do something said...

Someone posted that they received a response from the Natl Enquirer. Right?

Also the poster advised NE that they were a member of this web site, GWOP, right?

So Patrica, Sr. Reporter wanted someone to call and advise a tip.

What if we put together all those clips/websites of Kate hitting the kids/Kate hitting Jon/Kate going crazy over gum/the kids beating each other up/Kate belittling Jon/Kate allowing the boys to be potty trained and filmed in the driveway.

After all, the above is just some of our own OUTRAGE. If we compile a list of these sites on here, can we just e mail the responses with the websites on You tube, etc., to this Patricia from NE?

Perhaps no one has seen it all at once?

TLC's filming goes way back to the days when no one really knew what was going on with the Frumpy Kate who was then going thru her own personal changes.

Oh yes, the 700 club interview.

I'll just wish the worse on Kate if she slapped her dgtr on the airplane, when the poor child awoke.

How many of our kids wake up cranky? We calmed them, even if they are grumpy and say nonsense, we know how to soothe them. We don't smack the skin off of their faces.

I want to know what happed to Mady up in Alaska and why she was shaking, crying uncontrollably and her mother thought it was okay to still have the photo taken???????

Something so wrong in that house.

If Collin kicked and hit a teacher twice and Alexis was hitting other kids and being mean and they aren't just "freaking out once" but this took 3 weeks of extensive treatment and teaching.

Those poor children were violent in school? Why would they be violent with classmates and teachers?

Is it what they live with? They get hit, they hit each other and then they go out and hit strangers. They will not take orders, cannot follow rules, cannot play with other children.

Yep, think it is about time we put a list together for this reporter at NE and maybe the State of PA would investigate. We might save the lives of these children.

A lot of people in their young lives have tried to save them: Aunt/Uncle/Jon/Crew members who asked to be resassigned/nannies.

If there is a formal investigation, then "that little piece of paper by the lawyers put before everyone keeping them from talking about Kate and the children, etc., would be worth Zero. Subpoena trumps Confidentiality Forms, I'm almost certain.

Anyhow, how about we start something compiling the web sites of abuse/inappropriate behavior/film footage of relatives who worried about the children and the lack of a "sane parent" and the TLC bullcrap that has been going on, the longest with these Gosselin children.

Amy too said...

To read from that MD, FACS post, I almost wished we could all write letters to that person to say, help those children. You are an MD who has some idea of how mistreated those poor children are.

Someone has to save those kids and somehow it has to be done before those children get hurt or harmed due to her dragging them all over the place.

No child wants to be on the go like that. They want to play, have friends, belong to activities and have a Daddy and Mommy and relatives.

She is a terrible woman, that Kate.

so sick of her said...

Gentile people: could not agree with you more. I too wonder what Kate does for 10 hours a day? plus the weekends the kids are at Jons? She said it herself in some interview that she jogs when the kids are home from school. So like she can't jog during the day when they are at school? Just like why does she have a bodyguard? nannys, house keepers, pool and landscapers? Do it yourself Kate! Do some charity Kate! I inherit a house now, and I do everything, from dishes to shoveling snow, gardening. I also unemployed right now. When I was working I still did the above, even when my Mother was alive, I was her part-time care giver and went to work, and took care of the house, 2 dogs 4 birds, and still managed to go on vacation to FLA and have a life(but right now everything is at a stand still) but I am planning my garden(got spring fever)now. And shoveled snow, taking care of my 2 dogs and 4 birds. Kate is just sooooo full of IT!

jon for custody said...

Its evenn sadder that all the nanny, tutors is being taken from the kids money.They wont have a cent at age 18.

Jane in California said...

Sorry for the rant. It's just mind-boggling to me that she can't take care of these children without live-in help.
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I agree. I could see when the children were babies and toddlers, that having a helper around made a lot of sense.

But the two older girls don't need a lot of supervising and in a healthier situation, they would be excellent helpers with their younger siblings from time to time. (For all we know, they do look after them the best they can, as we've seen evidence of at least Maddy trying to deflect some of Mommie Dearest's anger toward the younger ones.)

The sextuplets are 7 years old (right?) and yes, there are 6 of them, but if they had a good routine, a calm and caring mother, and two older sisters pitching in, that is certainly manageable without extra help.

Finally, Jon seems interested in spending time with the kids - he is an untapped resource because Kate is probably trying to punish him.

If it were impossible for one person to wrangle six six-year olds, then someone is going to have to explain to me how kindergarten teachers every day handle a classroom with 20 six-year olds. In my son's school district, there was no money for aides, and teachers were lucky to have one or maybe two volunteer parents help out in the classroom. Yet for about 3 1/2 to 4 hours every day, five days a week, they managed not only to keep them under control, but to teach them.

Kate is pretty much worthless in her role as mother. She can't handle her own children from 4:00 to 8:00 or 8:30 p.m. each weekday without the help of nannies. I got no respect for that kind of mom.

SmileyGrl752 said...

What if we put together all those clips/websites of Kate hitting the kids/Kate hitting Jon/Kate going crazy over gum/the kids beating each other up/Kate belittling Jon/Kate allowing the boys to be potty trained and filmed in the driveway.

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Did Kate have the girls be potty-trained and filmed in the driveway too, or just the boys since they're "icky little creatures" ?

I Heart Buffy said...

I have a child who goes to school all day, I'm a student/self-employed, I have health problems (& I'm young) & a husband who works full time. I know 8 kids is a lot, BUT, to the poster who said the twins could help out more, I agree. All of those kids could have a chore or 2 to help. My son has chores, I have housework that I do when I can, & my husband is a huge help. I also give my son "school lessons" to help him. I study, & am trying to build my business. Kate is just lazy & doesn't want to parent her kids.

She could easily set a chore list for her kids, & stick to it. At the end of the week, each kid gets a couple bucks, or a gold star, & at the end of the month they can redeem the star for something. I don't know, there are other options besides housekeepers & such. The twins can help cook even. My son loves helping me cook. Again, Kate is a lazy parent. Why even have kids? I ADORE teaching my son new things. We have a blast with his lesson plans, be it math, science, etc. This past week we went to the Museum of Science in Boston for a "field trip". It was awesome! And, no cameras, except my personal one. :) This whole babysitter thing is BS. Just be with your kids. It's not like she's not home. I get it if you're working & need it, like a lot of working mothers, but she forces her kids to work with her. I can't stand that about her. She needs to get off her ass & parent her own damn kids.

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

What? No Katie Irene walking the Academy Awards' red carpet with Pursy, at the Kodak in Hollywood? The rest of the STAHs are out here.

The talk show networks need to stop billing Kart as an actress, 'cause it's a joke. She says she'd "Absolutely love to do a movie.... I feel SO comfortable behind the camera". Lady, it has been years, and no one has cast you in anything, except a gag gig at the Emmys. Please give it a rest.

Susantoyota said...

She said she feels so comfortable behind the camera? So that would make her a director as well as an actress or just a director? Watch out James Cameron!!

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

I think I meant being on camera, didn't I? She's NO James Cameron. Even Dexter ran for the hills when he found her pining after him at an Emmys after-party. ~giggling~

Kate said....

"I've done enough years on TV that I feel like it's a normal, comfortable, natural place to be," she said. "I'd love to be in a movie at some point, I'd love to be the voice of a cartoon character in a movie for my kids.
I think that would be fun."

(Not fun for America though!) She's said this many times on TV, as if desperate to land a real acting job. Pinocchio in yellow extensions.

Ampersmom said...

Funniest thing I read in Reader's Digest - said it would be nice to "wire" all the chairs of talk shows (both guest and hosts) that the audience can send a shock to parties sitting in the chairs each time they tell a lie...

Can you just imagine how many times Kate will be shocked? Just imagine, she might even say some truths to avoid the shocks.

Susantoyota said...

No Worry, Beef Curry said...
I think I meant being on camera, didn't I? She's NO James Cameron. Even Dexter ran for the hills when he found her pining after him at an Emmys after-party. ~giggling~

Kate said....

"I've done enough years on TV that I feel like it's a normal, comfortable, natural place to be," she said. "I'd love to be in a movie at some point, I'd love to be the voice of a cartoon character in a movie for my kids.
I think that would be fun."

(Not fun for America though!) She's said this many times on TV, as if desperate to land a real acting job. Pinocchio in yellow extensions.

OT for a minute. I loved Michael Hall in 6 Feet Under on HBO. No actor in the world is literally going to touch her as in acting with her or as a girlfriend because their credibility would just evaporate. They've worked too long to be taken seriously as an actor and they're not naive 20 year olds that she can get her hooks into and manipulate. The roles have reversed and there are lots of people manipulating Katie Irene now. TLC, Purseboy--Hi Steve!!-her PR people, Jimmy Kimmel,etc. The real showbiz personalities, George, Tony, Barbara, Whoopi, etc. are either laughing their heads off at her or thanking the deities they no longer have to deal with her narcissistic, immature, whiny derriere.

As far as the I'd love to blah, blah, blah comments, it's worked for her in the past when she wanted her flabby stomach fixed, a trip to Disney World for the family, etc. What Katie is experiencing now is called extinction training. The theory is that if she continues to verbalize these wants/wishes and no one responds, she will eventually stop. That's the theory anyway (which she probably didn't pay attention to when she rotated through her psychiatric nursing module because she was too busy making lists of available doctors--didn't ya Katie Irene?), but the reality is she will still be saying "I'd love to" when she is sitting all alone in the McMansion. However, I do think extinction training can work with TLC if no one watches the upcoming episodes. If no one watches and the ratings tank, bye bye Katie Irene!!

ha said...

Did Kate have the girls be potty-trained and filmed in the driveway too, or just the boys since they're "icky little creatures" ?



I think thats just so they didnt have to go into the house. Gross. I know.

barbee said...

What's with her "I've done enough years on TV...blah, blah, blah"? She was (along with her kids)"just living her life while a few cameras happened to be filming it". THAT is nothing like ACTING, twit! She's shows how STOOPID she is by the fact that she doesn't know enough to keep her mouth SHUT because every time she opens it she puts both feet in it. Actually, that visual brings a chuckle when I picture her with both feet in her flapping mouth and her head up her saggy butt!

I'll give her that, she does make me laugh. Too bad it's NOT when she's performing (THAT'S NOT FUNNY)!

fidosmommy said...

ha said...
Did Kate have the girls be potty-trained and filmed in the driveway too, or just the boys since they're "icky little creatures" ?

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I think thats just so they didnt have to go into the house. Gross. I know.

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No, the girls were filmed in the house, sitting on potty chairs in the bathroom. Boys too, but only the boys got to poop al fresco at Beth and Bob's house.

She's come undone said...

Regarding all those clips...... I was thinking about Collin and Alexis the other day and I remembered something that disturbed me deeply a few years ago. When they were very small Collin and Alexis were sitting at their little picnic table. I think all the children were playing mommy and daddy and Alexis mistakenly called Collin mommy (or either she just didn't understand gender). Collin attacked her with a force that was disturbing and even went on to push her down into the table. As usual, Kate did not handle it properly nor did she see anything really wrong. I believe she made them both hug which was a stupid way of handling such violence. Add to that the fact that Alexis was the child who had to sleep alone in the basement because, as Kate put it, she is a "disturber."

Those children were crying our for help and they did not get it. Nor will they get it. Kate is too stupid and self-centered for that. Actually Kate hasn't seen anything yet. Wait until they become teenagers. Then she will truly reap what she has sown.

fidosmommy said...

Back to the topic of no privacy for
natural functions, when the filming was done at Jodi's house, we saw the kids baking and making crafts, mostly. When it was time to go to the restroom, Jodi closed the door so no filming could happen in there. Jodi would have protected them with her life, I think. I wonder if the crew thought it was strange to be kept out of the bathroom, or if they
were kind of relieved that the kids could have that time alone.

SmileyGrl752 said...

Back to the topic of no privacy for
natural functions, when the filming was done at Jodi's house, we saw the kids baking and making crafts, mostly. When it was time to go to the restroom, Jodi closed the door so no filming could happen in there. Jodi would have protected them with her life, I think. I wonder if the crew thought it was strange to be kept out of the bathroom, or if they
were kind of relieved that the kids could have that time alone.

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Hopefully they were normal and felt relieved at the kids having alone time. However, weren't there rumors that when the kids were being potty-trained, they went into the bathroom to film the kids, and no adults were supervising?

dustilies said...

My local Blockbuster store is closing, and I went in there today to bargain hunt.

Amongst the books was Eight Little Faces. I picked it up to flip through it, and the first picture I saw almost made me drop the book.

One of the girls, about 2 yo, is standing in a hallway. Her pants are down around her ankles. She is (maybe accidentally) pulling up her pink tulle skirt, and her training pants (underwear) are fully exposed. She has one finger in her mouth and a sort of sleepy expression on her face.

What kind of mother publishes that kind of picture for all the world to see? Pedophiliac thrills aside, this is seriously demeaning picture, one that should only be kept in the most private family album--if at all. This isn't a funny dress-up picture to my eye--the poor kid looks stupid.

The kind of mother who does that is controlling, heartless, insecure, and narcissistic.

I have a picture of one of my daughters that I took the Christmas she was almost 2 yo. It was the first time she helped with the Christmas baking, and it was a really fun afternoon that I want to remember always. I took a picture of her, shirtless, and dusted with flour, exuberantly holding up some of the cookies we just made and decorated.

By the time she started kindergarten, she asked me to put the photo in a drawer, because she didn't want her friends to see her "naked" and "dirty." At age 11, she still finds it embarrassing. So it stays in the drawer.

So I can only imagine the feelings of the G8 at having so many photos like the one in Eight Little Faces put on public viewand immortalized on the internet and in the Library of Congress

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

Dustilies,
I normally don't have much time to spend here (browsing the comments) lately..... but your post caught my eye.

Re: Child Exposure

I can't understand why shows on TLC and MTV, etc. continue to use the footage of naked children. I hate that. Why do we need to depict a child in that state? We all generally know how to change a stinkin' diaper.

E-town Neighbor said...

What kind of mother publishes that kind of picture for all the world to see?

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The same kind of mother who allows a camera man alone with her child in a bathroom; the same kind of mother who allows a shot of her son's naked butt to appear on national television. A mother who allows her daughter to be filmed squirming around on the basement floor. A mother with absolutely no common sense. A mother with no respect for her child's privacy. A stupid one.

4rmine said...

Here is an interesting article about the recent changes in the PA divorce/child custody laws, which became effective Jan. 23. It's been in the making for a decade.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/20110301_New_Pa__divorce_law_gets_puts_focus_on_custody_issues.html

If the link doesn't work try to copy and paste it on Google, or go to Philly.com. The article is the March 1 edition.

so sick of her said...

And add to that privacy list: children being sick. I know when I'm sick, I would not want cameras in my face or people in the house. I like to mill in my own misery(LOLOL). Kate had the kids filmed being sick, like the kid on the basement floor, the other kids walking around with puke buckets, puking on the boat, and having poop trouble. What parent does that? Kate must be that kind which is: OH ain't they CUTE! NOT!

fidosmommy said...

Re: chores for the children.

I agree that each child who is capable of having chores should have them. We know they have to clean the chicken coop as punishment, a concept I don't understand.

In my dating days, I was going out with a fine gentleman who could cook, clean, do laundry, sew, iron, decorate, fix things and take care of his own house. It was wonderful. I asked him how he learned all this and his response was that both his parents started early to prepare him for living - either alone or with a wife. They wanted him to be a helpful spouse or fully independent, so they gave him chores in order to learn things.

About 15 years ago, I invited a college student to live with me while she did her student teaching near me. She knew nothing about the kitchen, laundry room, what a broom was for, or how to turn out a light. Totally helpless. Her mother did everything for her and
never bothered to teach her a thing
about self sufficiency. This girl
was Homecoming Queen, cheerleader and voted Most Popular, but she could not cook a hot dog on her own. Saddest thing I had ever seen in my life.

Do you remember how happy the kids were when they were asked to put the toilet paper rolls in the bathrooms all over the house? They were excited to help out! And Hannah loved folding laundry while Collin enjoyed putting toys away.

I hope the Gosselin children are at least doing enough chores to
learn how things are done and to get a sense of accomplishment from them. My fear is they are going to be more like the teacher friend if they are not given age-appropriate duties at home.

Kids need chores to feel like they are needed, are smart enough to do the job, and that they belong to a family that works together, sharing the load.

txmom said...

It's been discussed what Kate CAN do after the show hits the skids...yrs ago, when leaving Disney World, Kate is on tape saying her 'voice is her best feature', (she was lamenting she was unable to talk, due to a sore throat).
I guess this is the reason she later on, as quoted in a Canandian paper, that she wanted to have a talk show. (well, we know a talk show she ain't...)

So, since she can't endorse kid's clothes, write books, cookbks, host a talk show, dance, craft, et al., I guess she is at her last resort....'her voice', which is now why she wants to do voice-overs in movies.
I bet that doesn't work out for her either.
I all for everyone wanting to work that wants to (and she needs to feed those kids), but the scary thing is, what happens once the cameras go away? We have seen the emotional damage done while the cameras are rolling....what happens when they aren't, and the money is gone as well?

If she was making the reported 250,00 a episode (which I highly doubt), she hasn't filmed that many episodes this year...wonder if she is in a cash crunch??

I Heart Buffy said...

so sick of her said...
And add to that privacy list: children being sick. I know when I'm sick, I would not want cameras in my face or people in the house. I like to mill in my own misery(LOLOL). Kate had the kids filmed being sick, like the kid on the basement floor, the other kids walking around with puke buckets, puking on the boat, and having poop trouble. What parent does that? Kate must be that kind which is: OH ain't they CUTE! NOT!

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Add the dentist visit also. I am an anxious wreck at the dentist, usually resorting to having to take a xanax beforehand, requiring a ride home, because of an incident with a butcher of a dentist in my early 20's. I cannot remember the child who had the camera in her face (Alexis?) but she was scared & wanted her security item. (I'm sorry, I cannot remember what is was) & Kate withheld it, laughing at her, while another child tried to comfort her. This would be a cold day in hell if someone tried to videotape me in a dentists chair. Just the other day, I went in for a cleaning, & I was crying at the thought. (This is how bad my anxiety is.) No cavities though! Imagine having a camera in your face while being in the worst situation of your life, such as getting fired, or losing your home, or getting a divorce. This is what Kate does to her kids on a child's anxiety scale, & calls it entertainment.

Jane in California said...

tx mom said:
I all for everyone wanting to work that wants to (and she needs to feed those kids), but the scary thing is, what happens once the cameras go away? We have seen the emotional damage done while the cameras are rolling....what happens when they aren't, and the money is gone as well?

If she was making the reported 250,00 a episode (which I highly doubt), she hasn't filmed that many episodes this year...wonder if she is in a cash crunch??
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I wonder the same thing. As we know, Kate really doesn't have any job skills besides nursing. She isn't going to get voiceover work -- there are once again oodles of much more talented and professional people already in Hollywood vying for voiceover work. Why Kate thinks she will get any of that kind of work is just delusional on her part.

She won't return to nursing - because she probably thinks it's beneath her, doesn't pay enough, is too hard, blah, blah, blah.

She is simply not equipped to do much. Can you be employed as a tanning bed tester? A poser for fake papparazi pictures? Maybe should could get a job making copies at Kinkos?

No - she will turn yet again toward those children and try to figure out a way to get them onto some sort of show to earn money. I think when TLC finally drops their contract, Kate will turn to even less scrupulous producers, as long as the money will continue to roll in. She will do whatever it takes to stay in that mansion, and keep living the life she is accustomed to -- so those kiddos will be marketed mercilessly.

The only hope then will be that finally, someone in the family court system in PA will actually do the decent thing, and put a stop to the exploitation. Maybe. The judge sure hasn't given a darn so far, but judges retire, get re-assigned and maybe a good one will be assigned to the Gosselin kids.

Anyway - I really can't see Kate being successful in any field or endeavor on her own. She's too anti-social and lazy. She'd melt down if she had to actually work a 9-5 job like the rest of us.

Monster Mommy said...

The upcoming celebrities to perform on DWTS were announced last night, and it's an interesting cast.

It is so refreshing to know that I will be able watch ABC again, without seeing Kate "Shopping Cart" Gosselin making love to the camera with her "KIDS! I *Heart* You" antics. The way she begged for votes, and treated Tony and the other dancers, etc. was despicable. The most vile thing she did during Season 10, was gleefully screaming out "YES!" after someone went home instead of her. I think it was either Aiden Turner or Shannen Doherty, and her lack of good sportsmanship and grace spoke volumes.

Can't See Sheep said...

fidosmommy said...
Kids need chores to feel like they are needed, are smart enough to do the job, and that they belong to a family that works together, sharing the load.
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I agree completely with you. Unfortunately the G8 will be doing chores for a narcissist & if you've ever been a child & attempted to do a chore for a narcissist you learn very quickly to find way of avoiding this hell & be as invisible as possible to that person. You never do the chore well enough, you make more of a mess than when you started & now they have to do it because you'll NEVER get it right & if they don't do it it won't get done, so you've just made even more work for them. And on & on about how stupid you are, because anyone with a tiny bit of intelligence could have done it & gotten it right. Then, when you seek to avoid the chores they're on & on about how lazy you are.

It doesn't matter what you do for these people you never do it well enough, you never get it right & you always end up being stupid & lazy. It doesn't matter if you do a better job than they do & it's glaringly obvious (this usually make things even worse), it's still put down & often in the form of a rant, or if it's in front of their friends they make snide sarcastic jokes aimed at attempting to humiliate & embarrass you, more of trying to get you to feel like you're the bad person, you're the one that can do nothing right, you're worthless. You will never hear a sincere thank you, job well done, or get a simple pat on the back from them. Sadly doing chores for a narcissist is just another occasion for more trauma & the child loses out in a great learning opportunity & building skills they'll use later in life.

ncgirl said...

I was reading a site where blind items are revealed. The site is called Crazy Days and Nights. There was one about Kate:

This reality star, well not really anymore thank goodness. Anyway, she recently got a $2,000 hair cut and did not tip anyone. She also said thank you to just one person and that was her bodyguard when he opened the door for her. Classless.

Kate Gosselin

Anna said...

She made the us list of hollywoods biggest meltdowns.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebritynews/photos/top-meltdowns-of-2010-201171/12236

ByeByeKate! said...

Just a guess, but it appears TLC will broadcast as few episodes as possible while their contract lasts with Kate through Feb 2012.

Seriously, Kate's shelf life with TLC is over; meet contractual obligations, end show. Her final hurrah was the trip recently filmed, and nobody cared. Goodbye Kate! Less than a year left with her TLC contract. No one cares anymore about her show. Well except for sheeple, and even they are few and far between. Bye Katie!!

readerlady said...

Can't See Sheep - You are spot on in your description of the way Khate will/does treat her kids' chore attempts. We've already seen this behavior in regards to Jon. He has a reputation for being lazy, useless and leaving all the work to Khate. Is this accurate? Of course not. Anyone with half a brain who watched the shows saw that Jon did nearly all the child care and most of the household maintenance, and quite competently. It was never enough to suit Khate, though. She constantly harrassed him, belittled him and downplayed his efforts, always instructing him to ask "Khate, how can I help you?" while he was in the middle of doing just that. The few times we saw the kids attempting to do anything around the house (Cara and Mady being Mom for the day, Cara and Mady trying to bake the cake in the Joelgate episode), Khat was constantly interferring, "correcting" them and setting them up for failure. Those kids will only learn that they are incompetent failures who can't do anything right and who can't please Mommy, no matter how hard they try.

HA! said...

Wendy Williams just announced that her partner for DWTS is Tony Dovolani. Then she talked about some of his past partners and when she mentioned Kate's name and her picture flashed up, the audience gave a general groan! LOL

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Can'tSeeSheep: You've perfectly described trying to perform chores for a Narcissist. The bottom line is the Narcissist WANTS/NEEDS you to get it wrong because this is yet another way they bolster their own sense of superiority AND gives them an excuse for their tirades against others. You've described K8G in a nutshell.

@ByeByeKate: You, too, are so right, K8G's about to join all the other Has Beens whose shelf life expired long ago and were finally pitched into the trash heap. We are about to witness an absolute disproof of K8G's grandiose claim that, since there's no escape from all the P people and publicity, she might as well cash in on this alleged 'hell' piece of her alleged 'fame'. I'm guessing "Boy George" thought his fame would be eternal also.

fidosmommy said...

Can't see Sheep -

I understand what you are saying, as much as I can understand it without having lived it.

I was just thinking how much the kids enjoyed being useful by doing little things around the house. Kate seemed satisfied enough that they ran errands - carting the Juicy Juice to the basement for example. I realize that Kate would never be satisfied with
how they mop the floor or sweep the carpet. But surely there are little things that little hands can do to learn how to help out the family. And not as punishment,
but as pitching in as a partner
in the home. They have to learn somewhere. Maybe the nanny is teaching them when Mom's out for her jog or shopping alone.

fidosmommy said...

Bye Bye Kate,

I am also assuming that once the contract runs out Kate and TLC will part company permanently. Until then, I am assuming the contract provides for her financial needs - she may get paid something whether or not the filming sees the light of day. After that, she's on her own - that's my guess anyway.

What about the other stuff Kate got as the TLC poster girl? Didn't TLC lease one of the vehicles for her? Will she lose it once the contract runs out? And the house? It's in a trust, but does TLC have anything tied up in it? If so, will they want their
money back?

I don't know the answers to any of these, but I can only guess that
Kate's going to be in a world of hurt pretty soon.

The slide down isn't half as much fun as the climb up. Usually it's the other way around.

noway said...

readerlady said...
Those kids will only learn that they are incompetent failures who can't do anything right and who can't please Mommy, no matter how hard they try.
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Your statement reminds me of Collin trying to find his mom, to ask her if he could "bump" his electric car over the power wash hose. He patiently looked for her over the vast property and then had the door literally shut in his face when he found her. I felt his cries of frustration. No wonder he has behavioural issues and of course this was all filmed for the public's entertainment.
Shame on the crew aka Dads who heard Kate say he could drive onver the hose, but thought it better to film Collin serching for his mom.
Yeah, yeah editing storyline but there was enough footage to piece together that is what really happened, and Kate spoke of it on the couch too.

who knew said...

I wonder how the crew felt of Kate's declaration on The Talk that the crew would stay in their lives forever.

Did they know she was going to say this. Did they individually or collectively announce to Kate that they would be in touch with them forever.

fidosmommy said...

who knew said...
I wonder how the crew felt of Kate's declaration on The Talk that the crew would stay in their lives forever.

*******

Just another promise to the kids
that Kate won't keep. Remember, Mommy promised that she and Daddy would be together forever, too.
So, how's that working out, Kate?

Big Wooden Spoon said...

"Bye Bye Kate,

I don't know the answers to any of these, but I can only guess that
Kate's going to be in a world of hurt pretty soon. "
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I actually worry more about the children AFTER the filming stops. Kate is going to be hell on wheels once she's out of the spotlight, and I fear very much that the children will pay dearly.

I grew up with a narcissistic mother myself. All I can say is, I hope nobody gets seriously hurt.

If anybody thinks I'm wrong, please say so -- it would make me feel better.

I Heart Buffy said...

barbee said...(on another thread)
She's a dead dog and WHY would tlc want to keep showing the kids? Notice them in the 'shopping trip'? See anything interesting there? They are not doing anything worth watching, they are not exceptionally attractive kids, they do NOT exude personality, so, again, WHY keep filming them? The stuff they are doing is lame; i.e., running up the 'Rocky Stairs' (which we haven't even seen yet, if ever), milling around her at the pool in Australia (sure bet that looks real different from any pool in the States), shopping in a candy store (DITTO), riding a horse, walking in an airport, ... come on, where's the interest?
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I could not agree more Barbee. I have said this for awhile now. I know lots of people tuned in because they thought these kids were just the 'cutesy-ist little-itty-bitty cuddly' kids in the whole wide world...not me. I tuned in at first because I liked the dynamic of Kate & Jon. The kids did NOTHING for me. In fact, I'm not that much of a fan of children at all, except my own of course, & my family, & even then, my niece I can only take in small doses. (sorry, just telling it like it is) I then noticed things about Kate that irked me, she degraded Jon, she yelled, she slapped, I had to stop watching.

Anyway, my point is, why is it that Kate thinks her kids are so damn special anyhow? They really aren't. They are normal, everyday children, who just happen to have the same birthday as 5 other kids. So what? There are other multiple families out there who haven't sought the limelight, who are happy to live their lives in private. This multiple "phenomenon" is over, Kate cashed in when she could, & the train moved on. Her show has done the most MUNDANE things possible, & sometimes REPEATED it! Ugh!

Ex: How many times has the Gosselin's been to the damn beach? It's just different backgrounds, different people, & a different bikini. The store? How many times can they go shopping?? How about they all go feed the homeless? Or volunteer at an animal shelter, or spend the day at a Senior Center with the elderly, reading them stories? Oh, right, Kate is selfish, vain, & greedy & wants to "educate" her kids with traveling the world. Well, she is not teaching her kids squat, except how to get free rides & loaf off people. I'm sorry to rant, but Kate needs to teach her so-called "exceptional" kids value, morals, & how to become useful members of society. I hope they learn that somewhere along the way, because I don't think they'll get that from Kate. She's about as useful to society as the local crack dealer in Anytown, USA. (rant over. sorry) :)

Ohio Buckeye said...

Let's see ... Though K8G has apparently been unable to maintain long term relationships with a spouse and his family, her own family, and even most of her friends, she somehow assumed that the connections to the TLC crew and her 'fame' would be ever lasting? Wow, that's an interesting 'reality'.

Can't See Sheep said...

Ohio Buckeye & readelady, thanks, the fact these kids have been saddled with this millstone of a "mother" is worrisome & disheartening. She will destroy their confidence, peace of mind & continually set them up for failure, especially the ones who are not the golden child. As badly as I want them off camera, like others have posted I too worry about what their lives will be like once the cameras are gone & k8 has to get up off her hiney & do some actual work. It isn't going to be pretty & hopefully they'll get to go live with their father out of harm's way. I have no doubt she'll treat them badly if they do that too. Perhaps she'll try to tell them they're not Gosselins anymore for moving out.

fidosmommy said...
Maybe the nanny is teaching them when Mom's out for her jog or shopping alone.
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This is what I'm hoping, that the nannies & Jon keep the spirits & the confidence of these children up. That they teach them to do the things they're going to need later in life. That they give them the confidence to go out into the world & forge a NORMAL life for themselves. That the kids go & learn a trade or a career THEY wish to have.

kate can't do sh** said...

I also tuned in to the show to watch the interaction between Kate and Jon. Most people could relate to the bickering that went on between a couple. I didn't care much for the kids either. It was the fireworks I liked watching. Cheap entertainment. Then, slowly, I started really disliking Kate because I could see her ego taking over the show. I remember sending an email to Jon and Kate (when you could way back then)saying I could no longer stand watching Jon being kitty-whipped by her any longer. I think I told him to man-up and grow some sprouts. And I asked her to shut the hell up and let him answer the questions instead of trying to butt in and take over. Yes, that was when I really started to dislike that woman. Her ego on the couch started taking over and I knew right then and there she was on the road to thinking she was a famous star.

No Worry, Beef Curry said...

I was watching the Wendy Williams Show this afternoon. (I know, I know..... I normally never watch that daytime talk rubbish, but it was on.)

Anyway, Wendy was talking about being paired up with Tony Dovolani for this season's DWTS. She then mentioned that Tony had been part of a dancing duo in the past with Audrina Patridge (the crowd all claps politely)..... then she says "And the season prior to that Tony's partner was, Kate Gosseling!" (that's how she pronounces her name.) There was suddenly an audible groan in the audience, and loud booing throughout the set.

I doubt Kart will ever have a favorable public opinion of her, because just hearing her name seems to provoke a negative reaction in most everyone who's heard of her. There was a great article about Kate's body language on DWTS by Dr. Lillian Glass. It's great reading, if you get the chance (see link).

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/kate-gosselin%E2%80%99s-toxic-personality-comes-out-on-dancing-with-the-stars-as-she-not-only-disrespects-her-teacher-tony-dovolani-but-the-other-contestants/

K8. Fan. No more. said...

I doubt the nanny or housekeeper is allowed to teach the kids chores or responsibility. She doesn't pay them to delegate lowly chores to her entitled kids. She pays them to scrub the toilets them selves. If she found out one of her kids had their hand on a toilet brush she'd probably flip

Maggie said...

This morning TLC aired "Jon and Kate Plus 8" at 5:00 & 5:30 am central time. It was the valentine episode in their old house. I believe it was in 2008. Then the other episode was B-ball with the Harlem Globetrotters and them preparing to go on Oprah. I think this show was originally aired around March 09 in the new house. I think Kate had her boobs done by then. It was so strange to see Kate and Jon kissing and interacting with each other. Kate came off reasonably well in both episodes.

I looked at TLC schedule and I don't see any "Jon and Kate Plus 8" reruns or "Kate Plus 8" scheduled for the rest of March. I wonder why they showed these 2 reruns of "J&K Plus 8" just this one day?

Kia Ora said...

Has anyone else noticed that Miss know it all, has gone off the radar since there was a big outcry about her & Stevo being away together for Valentines day. I actually think it was just before that, they went somewhere, not downunder, they did something else? Maybe Stevo's wife put her foot down, with a STAMP! On her latest quest for fame on those different shows, she comes across as so gushing & false. Just so not her. Who is she trying to fake? The women is gasping for air in the media. I do agree with the fellow bloggers who said the children weren't the highlight of the show. The parents were like some degree of how house holds were. Then crazy Kate took over the show, and became Ms Star, and continues to this day of thinking that.

Troy Chula Vista said...

BM says her membership is up and posters have increased. Yea right. She is as delusional as Kate. I did a quick count of the posters on her last thread: 69 comments, BM and her Co-Admin accounted for 59% of the comments, with 8 other people making up the rest (and 2 people accounted for 75% of the balance of comments)! They have resorted to Threads about other Blogs since there is NOTHING to obsess over with thier queen.

anotherthing... said...

Big Wooden Spoon said...
"Bye Bye Kate,

I don't know the answers to any of these, but I can only guess that
Kate's going to be in a world of hurt pretty soon. "
-----------------

I actually worry more about the children AFTER the filming stops. Kate is going to be hell on wheels once she's out of the spotlight, and I fear very much that the children will pay dearly.

I grew up with a narcissistic mother myself. All I can say is, I hope nobody gets seriously hurt.

If anybody thinks I'm wrong, please say so -- it would make me feel better.

______________________________

First hand experience here also (not my mother -shes a wonderful lady- but another closly related family member)...

Hate to say it, but that personality disorder paired with having it fed endlessly by people around her (TLC, assistants, nannies purse-boy etc) who she can lash out at, who feed her ego, who tell her shes wonderful and that everything in her head is right and the real world is wrong....

That is all making the madness worse. Those kids only chance is Jon getting his crap together real quick (before this show is completely done and she realizes her 15 mins were over 20 mins ago). Or some sort of intervention.

The person in my life that is literally JUST like kate never had kids -she stated that kids would take the focus off of her- but she married a man with one. And boy-oh-boy... The only helping him was his 18th bday. Boarding school. Nannies. Nothing helped. Just 18th bday. Do I even have to mention his drug habits and alchol problems?

Gaby said...

I remember an episode in Season 5 (I don't remember which).Jon and Kate were doing a couch interview. Jon was doing most of the talking and Kate just sat there with a scowl on her face. She hardly said anything. IMO, TLC may have told her shut her mouth and let Jon talk for a change. I thought it was strange that she was very quiet, and looked very angry.

kate can't do sh** said...

What about the episode when they went to the baseball game and they both had baseball caps on when they sat on the couch doing the interview. Kate was high on something. Either booze or Xanax. It was a classic. Loopy as hell. I thought it was strange that TLC would allow that to be filmed. It was that obvious.

WonderButton said...

Here's her chance:

There was a story on NBC this morning about a woman who "walked away from motherhood". She wrote a book called Hiroshima in the Morning. She just walked away from her husband and two little boys. She said motherhood just wasn't for her and she never wanted to be a mom. She said she thought is was better for her kids to have a mom who was physically and emotionally available to her kids. At least this woman was honest about her situation.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"What about the episode when they went to the baseball game and they both had baseball caps on when they sat on the couch doing the interview. Kate was high on something. Either booze or Xanax. It was a classic. Loopy as hell. I thought it was strange that TLC would allow that to be filmed. It was that obvious."

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Am guessing TLC had to get X amount of footage for the episode and, though it showed K8G's loopiness, it was the best they could scrape up to fill up the episode.

Also agree with the comment that K8G had very effectively danced Jon into a "no win" corner: if he didn't have much to say, she'd criticize him (on camera), but if he spoke up and attempted to add to the couch sessions, she inevitably picked apart everything he said and did INCLUDING accuse him of breathing too loudly. I believe THAT was the most honest peak into anyone's life with Kate Gosselin - her only apparent purpose in life is pointing out the shortcomings of others so as to make herself feel superior. BORING BEYOND BELIEF, that woman.

I think those 'real' happy, family times with the Gosselins (with and without Jon) have been few and far between, and otherwise absolutely staged.

"Realest reality show on tv"? That's really not saying much, since all 'reality' shows are bogus.

Exhausted said...

Why didn't Jon think to keep the Elizabethtown house for himself in the divorce settlement? He'd have a perfect place to take the kids to live when Kate loses her house, her mind, etc.

I want to like the guy, I really do...but he could not have made a series of worse choices. If he would have stayed away from the young girls and the Michal Lohans and Kate Majors and the bachelor dreams he must have had, it would have been a no brainer for the judge to give him full custody; also, public opinion would be in his favor. From the getgo, she would have looked like the mean, money and fame-obsessed snake she always has been, and most importantly, the quality of the kids' lives would be so much better.

But does he even want full custody of the kids? I've not heard him say that. I'm sure he knows much more about Kate than we do, so I can't imagine that he thinks they're in good hands when they're with her. It just doesn't add up.

LancNative said...

"If he would have stayed away from the young girls and the Michal Lohans and Kate Majors and the bachelor dreams he must have had, it would have been a no brainer for the judge to give him full custody"

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This is PA. He could have lived the life of a Monk, and he never would have been awarded full custody.

I'm not so sure he was given the option of keeping the Elizabethtown house. The sale (or proceeds) may have been mandatory in the divorce agreement.

Merrilee said...

Hey there, I Heart Buffy,

Good rant! You said it ALL so well.

Sidney said...

I want to like the guy, I really do...but he could not have made a series of worse choices. If he would have stayed away from the young girls and the Michal Lohans and Kate Majors and the bachelor dreams he must have had, it would have been a no brainer for the judge to give him full custody; also, public opinion would be in his favor
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His behavior was entirely what one would expect from someone who was terribly, awfully, unimaginably beat-down and walked on. He truly behaved like he had post traumatic stress disorder.

I give him that. I hate what he did, but I understand it. He probably got more from Kate than
we even think is possible.

I think he hates what he did more than we do.

He is changing. I admire that and hope his life gets better and better.

readerlady said...

"Why didn't Jon think to keep the Elizabethtown house for himself in the divorce settlement?"

Jon may not have had a choice. If the Elizabethtown house was still on the market when Khate filed for divorce it would have been considered marital property. Depending upon the arbitrator/judge's decision, the only option may have been to sell it. It was widely speculated that Jon was required to put his share of the proceeds from the Wernersville house into an escrow account that could only be used to pay child support. If that is the case, Jon may not have had the funds to pay Khate her share of the E-town house.

fidosmommy said...

Exhausted,

I agree that Jon made poor choices.
When sent out into the big world without being told what to do, some
people just go wild. Think Freshman year of college and the flunk-out rate due to uncontrolled
partying and sleeping late because nobody tells them they have responsibilities and that they need to put the skids on overdoing freedom.

Jon was not thinking clearly and was not looking to the future. He was living for the moment, IMO.
Kate was no longer telling him what to do, when to do it, how to do it and why to do it (to help her). She put shackles on his behavior, corrected him, embarrassed him, and suddenly SHE WAS GONE! Ye Haw! It' party time!

Still, while Jon looked like a fool
to the rest of the world, he never really did anything to scar his children, did he? He dressed ridiculously, but that should not shock the Gosselin kids. Apparently both their parents do.
He chose an apartment in NYC that lasted a very short time before he moved back closer to his kids. He had a string of questionable relationships, but as far as we know, they were only introduced as "friends" to the kids - we don't know how that played out.
He got a job that does not involve
showcasing his children.

So, the fact that he needed cash,
needed to put the past behind him while still being a Daddy, I'm not surprised he didn't keep the house.
It probably had horrible memories,
was bigger than he needed through the week (although necessary on the weekends) and he might have had some reservations about Kate's behavior (after all, that house used to be Hers, All Hers!)

Most importantly, he has changed his tune. He is no longer acting like a spoiled brat, depending on Dad or on his kids for his income.
He seems to becoming appropriate, which is more than I can say about Kate at this point.

I think I understand Jon even a little bit, and am willing to let
his past be his past. I'm far more interested in where he's going.

Kate will receive the same slack from me if she ever decides to act like she is just an ordinary person
who has been acting like a fool for the past 6 years, continues to
present herself as the poster girl for mockery and doesn't seem to have moved ahead at all on any subject.

It is possible, by the way, that the old neighborhood would be OK
with Jon living at the Andrew St.
house. No filming, no Kate yelling at kids, no gawkers, no
parking lot on the quiet street.
My guess is that he just did not find it a feasible option, and may not have wanted to anyway.

Jane in California said...

I definitely cut Jon slack over his poor choices when he was first free from Kate. After years of being micro-managed, told what to do, how to look, what to say, heck - how to breath, it's no surprise that when he was actually free to make his own choices, it overwhelmed him and he made a bunch of stupid decisions.

I liked the analogy of a first year college student, trying out his wings and making mistakes before learning how to fly safely on his own.

He was immature and easily led when Kate met him. She called all the shots. He's late at learning how to make his own decisions, but I think the important thing is he is learning.

We all make mistakes. No one is perfect. It's what we do afterward that should define us.

In Jon, I see a guy who is at least trying. I see a man who loves his children and tries to protect them, like a David against a Goliath.

I like Cesar Milan's way of looking at life - live in the present, not the past.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Memo to K8G: Jon is WAY ahead of you, dear.

Though you've never had a kind thing to say to or about him, he has gotten it that he is basically talentless in the ways of the entertainment world, while you, Katie Dearest, remain committed to your death grip on your delusion that the public has interest in your talentless self.

While Jon has quietly gone back to his rightful place in oblivion, you, K8G, continue to claw and cloy in the hopes of keeping those cameras (and $$$ with resultant lifestyle) coming your way.

Looks like you, K8G, are the Bozo on this bus.

Clowning Around said...

Looks like you, K8G, are the Bozo on this bus.

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...and laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of her eight children.

stlfocus said...

Are we finally coming to an end of this madness? It is quiet on the Kate front everywhere.

Shhhhhh - we can only hope!

MoJo in Detroit said...

Since it's a slow news day I am going to post the audio of the radio show host in Detroit telling about how Kate and Steve were holding hands. Enjoy.

http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/15/kate-gosselins-bodyguard-the-new-costner/

Canadian Mom said...

So...what ever happened to Kate Gosselin?

oh-the-satisfaction

ashamom said...

Actually I saw a little photo of her on the cover of one of the tabloids today at the grocery store. The headline read:"Stars fighting cellulitis" There was a small, unflattering pic of her jogging.
Her legs were bumpy, there was loose skin on her waste...
I wondered if it was photo shopped or not? It looked real...