Free Discussion January 2012

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Happy Holidays

We wish everyone a safe and happy holiday season.  The mods may not be available as much so please enjoy friends and family and know we'll get to your comments as soon as we can. 

I'll be traveling Tuesday, please be especially patient then. 

Free Discussion December 2011

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Would That They Are Right

and the sorry saga has ended.  Link

Gentle reminder to please not use the children's names as your screen name much less two of them.  Thank you.

Kate jogging in Las Vegas

Kate says she's going to participate in the Las Vegas Rock n Roll Marathon/Half-marathon December 4.


Lunch with Kate

Lunch with Kate is up for auction in Australia.  Does anyone think that they will make money from that?  How much do you think Australians are willing to bid for that plus a worthless signed copy of her book?
Auction Items

Article About Kids Pay for Parent's Quest for Attention (a little OT allowed)

Kid's Pay for Parent's Quest for Attention

Kids pay for a parent's quest for attention

By JOANNE RICHARD, QMI Agency

It’s addicting, disgusting and stupidly popular.

And possibly child abuse.

Fame-hungry, egotistical moms behaving badly on reality TV have us cringing but we tune in, regardless of the scenes of children being exploited by their own parents.

Dance Moms is a recent addition to the frightening cast of poor parenting; Toddlers and Tiaras broadcasts weekly to an audience of more than two million. Kate and her eight are gone but not forgotten… Quints by Surprise replaces Kate cashing in on her kids.

Dance moms squabble, scream, trash one another, cry, rant and rage while studio owner Abby Lee Miller berates and bullies the moms and kids, and the moms let her – all in the name of attention.
These moms have a pathological need to be noticed and admired by others, says Dr. Mark Sichel, author and New York therapist.

“I would definitely call this child abuse and a lack of caring about their children’s well-being and adjustment because their narcissistic needs are so profound that they can distort their behaviour as being good for their children and believe that it makes their children happy,” Sichel says.

Exhibitionism takes centre stage, leaving kids feeling terrible as their needs to be nurtured are neglected, and positive reinforcement for their accomplishments and achievements is non-existent, says Sichel, author of Healing from Family Rifts.

The distorted need to be looked at deprives their children of the joys of childhood.
According to pop culture and media expert Dr. Stuart Fischoff, it’s the “desperation syndrome” in the age of mass media.

“We’re talking about the need - indeed the right - to be a celebrity, to be someone, some one; a need to be cut from the herd of mediocrity and count for something,” says Fischoff, who blogs the Media Zone at Psychologytoday.com.

Sichel says these parents use their children to shore-up deficits in their self-esteem and lack judgment about the potential for disastrous experiences for their children.

“Their hunger to be noticed, to create a splash and feel famous is a dysfunctional way to fill their inner emptiness and need for excitement when they feel their lives are unfulfilling,” he says.

Sichel says the mothers who appear on these shows see their children as extensions of themselves and objects to be used to further their need to be noticed and admired.

“They’re devoid of judgment about the consequences of exposing their children to these experiences and rationalize their behaviour as gifts to their children when their behaviour is exploitative and self-aggrandizing,” adds Sichel, of Marksichel.com.

Welcome to the “Narcissism Zone” where there’s an urgent need to rise above the anonymous masses, says Fischoff. In this zone, it’s all about “my child, my family, myself. They are one. They are me.”

It’s the neurotic personality trait of our time, says Fischoff. Today’s world is a vast greenroom where everyone is waiting for a chance to be called on stage – be it reality TV, a blog, or YouTube or Facebook. Whatever it takes, parents are willing to pay the price.

“If mothers on Toddlers and Tiaras are pimping their children to get that celebrity, that recognition, so be it. If that means traumatizing their children, so be it and so what!” says Fischoff.

“If that means lying to themselves, their family, their friends, that they’re only ‘doing it for their child and some day they’ll thank me,’ shut up and get out of the way.”

Fundamentally, it’s child abuse. Ultimately, “it all depends on the values of a culture and what's ‘acceptable citizen behaviour,’” Fischoff says.

“A culture that precociously sexualizes its daughters may be as destructive as one which demands clitorectomies, no matter how they spin it. There are many ways to wound our children,” says Fischoff.

Meanwhile, when everyone is doing it, then it becomes less bizarre. Fischoff asks just how sensible is it that the measure of the person is their celebrity quotient or status on Facebook, Twitter or reality television?

Assaults on kids’ self-esteem “have them going through life feeling that their worth is dependent on making their mothers happy and to help their mothers get the attention and need to be noticed gratified,” adds Sichel.

Free Discussion November 2011

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Kate on The View - yet again. Why?

Kate is supposedly going to be on The View tomorrow.  I can't imagine why.  They've shown their disapproval of her in the past.

Kate's segment

What the Sheeple Want Us to Believe

Everyone, and I mean everyone, should remember that Kate and Jon Gosselin were in their home along with many volunteers. Those babies were protected at all times. Neither Jon nor his wife allowed full access to every room, at every and any time they wished to either the twins' room/bathroom access or the babies. The most that was taped is what you saw on TLC. No one from TLC has any other tapes. Plus the Gosselin family owns the tapes from the beginning. All editing was done with either Jon or Kate in the room. This is what happens everyday in this country, pediphelia. Abusing children, boys and girls. We suffer from such serious abuses of children. Yet, the Kardashian Family uses horrendous language, The Duggar Family is not investigated, Tots & Tiaras? That got Jon Benet murdered. Reality TV which has one child on that show under 18 should be investigated. When does this stop. We have gone from the back rooms of filming into the living rooms or homes and it is allowed. How sad this country has become. Remember not all pediphiles are men, women, teens, other younger children all possess this evil interest.

Kate's Future

How long do you think it will take Kate to realize that there is no future for her in TV?  How long before she lets the PR team go?  What do you think she will actually end up doing as a job when she takes one?

It Should Be About Them - Happy Birthday Cara and Mady

At least it's a birthday with no fear of having a camera crew there.


Happy Birthday Maddy and Cara! I googled Queen Kate (can't bring myself to go on her website) and found it interesting that she is planning a "Kate-sized" party for the twins, she talked about "her" delivery and how the twins remind "her" to laugh, blah blah blah.....Its always about you, isn't it Kate? There is a pic that is floating around taken of the girls - you can see an immaculate room in the background (no toys in that family room for 8, count 'em, 8 kids..) A plastic cloth covering the table - god forbid that kids make a mess. And each girl has a cupcake for a b-day cake. I'm surprised that she didn't make them wear bibs.
From Anitia Coffee

Kate Refuses Show? Was she asked? Is she lying?

Kate allegedly has refused to appear on CW show.

Even though Kate Gosselin issued a challenge asking her haters to get to know her before judging her, the mom of eight has turned down the opportunity to win over such a person on Mario Lopez's new hit show, "H8R."

Free Discussion October 2011

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How Can Kate Still Have Followers?

I've been thinking of posting this question for awhile.  Thanks to Brummygirl for for sending in a comment that put it in words for me. :)  How can the sheeple have so little analytical ability to not see that what Kate and TLC said Kate was like was not what they were seeing and hearing on the show? 

If Kate doesn't read this blog, then she should. She would find really strong women here as well as literate and also funny at times. She is none of the above. She only appears strong because she is self centered and everything rolls off her back. She only appears strong because of all the help and backing she has received. We know she is definitely not literate, even with an ear piece. She is the only one who thinks she is funny. There are some strange women in this world who actually think Kate is good, strong and funny, but the people of GWOP happen to know the difference. Kate's followers call us haters, but they should also acknowledge that we know the semblance of truth when we see it happening right before our eyes. We all know that the majority of Kate's Tweeters are in the younger genre, but the older generation from Kate's fan sites, are mostly mothers. How can they condone Kate's behaviour? This is something I will never understand.

Kate's Worst Moments or When I Knew She Was a Shrew

What is your choice for the worst Kate moment or your wake up call that Kate was not the person TLC was trying to make you believe?

Will the Grift Go On?

Kate is whining still about how her kids deserve the house and expensive private school and she has turned up her nose at Jon's normal life and called it mediocre.  Will the grift continue and how?

Is that the purpose of her new website?

Is anyone devastated the show has ended?  Are any of her fans truly devastated?  Will they move on to something else in a few weeks?

Kate Whining in People this Week

Kate has her (last) People cover.  She's whining about the show being cancelled.  My question is why does People think that is newsworthy?  Why cover worthy?

Sorry to be late with the comments, but I was out of the house a few hours yesterday and got home about five minutes before the power "zapped" in southern California.  Luckily I was in one of the first areas to get it back but we only got power not cable and phone service at first.  I'm not complaining, hearing the fridge kick in was music to me.

Monday, September 12, The Finale

Kate and her 8 kids have made unforgettable memories over the past 7 years of filming. As the show comes to a close, the Gosselins say goodbye to the fans and reminisce about their favorite memories. Also, hear from family friends about their experiences.

60 minutes






Hopefully the last one forever, but there may be an occasional further "special."

Monday, September 5, RV Breakdown

The Gosselins are halfway through their RV road trip and it has been a vacation like no other -- full of adventure and drama! But when the RVs experience mechanical issues, will Kate finally reach her boiling point? And later, someone decides to leave.
 
60 minutes

Free Discussion September 2011

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Please pardon the mods that comments are very slow going through right now.  We are all very busy with other things and in fact I forgot last night that Kate was on.  I'm on a necessary trip to visit and help my parents and all the other mods are busy with other things also. 

Monday, August 29, RV Trip

The Gosselins, Ashley and Jamie are on the road again, traveling across middle America in an RV for 2 weeks -- and Kate's driving! Witness the family like you've never seen them before, visiting the nation's most beautiful landscapes and attractions.




60 minutes

Monday, August 22, Episode 14, Treehouse & Chicks

Kate and the kids are working in the yard preparing for their newest addition -- baby chicks! Kate discovers her skills as a carpenter as she attempts to build a fence and a swinging barn door. Meanwhile, construction on a new tree house is underway.

30 minutes

Truly? It May Be About Done?

Though they leave room open for specials, TLC seems to have finally done it.

Cancellation notice.

Please let People have it right this time.

Kate Gosselin's days as a reality star are done for now.

TLC – the network that gave viewers a firsthand glimpse of Kate's tumultuous and highly publicized split from ex-husband Jon Gosselin while they continued to raise their eight children – will no longer follow the 36-year-old and her brood with cameras.

"TLC has decided not to renew another season of Kate Plus 8," a network rep told PEOPLE in a statement. "By the end of this season Kate Plus 8 will have hit the 150 episode mark (including Jon & Kate Plus 8); an exceptional milestone. TLC hopes to check in with Kate and the family periodically with

Monday, August 15, Kate's Toughest Questions

Kate Gosselin is in the hot seat again, answering the viewer's toughest questions. Learn everything you ever wanted to know, from "Is Kate daing again?" to "How many plastic surgeries has she had?" in this tell all episode of Kate Plus 8!

60 minutes

A true tell all I might watch.  More of Kate's lies and spin-doctoring I will not. 

Free Discussion August 2011

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Monday, August 8, DC Cupcake Visit, 9:30 PM

Kate takes Mady and Cara and their two best friends, who are also sisters, to visit and bake with the stars of TLC's DC Cupcakes, Sophie and Katherine. Back home with the sextuplets, it's a boys vs. girls summer games competition. Who will win?
TLC finally put it up 8/5.
30 minutes

TLC does yet another "repeat" type episode. 

Monday, August 8, 8 Movie Makers, 9 PM

Although the eight Gosselin children are no strangers to being on camera, they have a lot to learn about being behind the camera when making their own movie! Once completed, they take to the red carpet, Hollywood-style, for the premiere of their film.

TLC finally put up description 8/5.

30 minutes

Free Discussion July 2011

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Given less and less Kate news, I think a monthly post may be enough for July.  Allegedly Kate will air again in August and we'll have episode posts if it does.

Off Topic - What Kate Should Truly Consider

We received this as a comment to Kate giving back and are posting it as received.  We have no verification if it's real or not.
Any show that talks about the homeless shelters, kids, us adults and how much we need to get back on our feet is good, even if it is Kate. I was homeless.When I lost my job, kept looking for jobs, stayed with everyone I knew for a week or two,that wears out real fast. I had my stuff in storage and was paying that. Sometimes to get away from it all, I would go to the storage unit and just sleep in there. I desperately needed to be by myself.But you have to return to the shelter by the time they close for the night otherwise you lose your meal and your bed, your ability to shower 3x week, wash your hair, look and smell like a lady. Use a bathroom stall with toilet paper. I did that for almost a year and then got a job again in the computer world, but I had no money, had to sell my stuff in storage. Saved enough to get an efficiency apt, but slept on the floor. I was so grateful when I could buy more than 2 bars of soap at once, had a shower. First purchase was my toilet paper, no paper towels, learned to use rags and I hemmed those and washed them. But I bought a used Futon. I thought I was in heaven. My employer did not know about my living in the homeless shelter and did not hold it against me and gave me a job. Do you know the discrimination when you say you are out of work and living in a homeless shelter? I wasn't with drug addicts and alcoholics, I was with regular families, who had lost control of everything when they lost their jobs, sold everything, out lived their welcome with family and friends. Oh yeah, you get invited to Sunday dinner but you can't take anything back into the Shelter with you.You wake up the next night thinking of food. Yeah. Because when dinner is over at the shelter, it is over. Lights out and that is it. Did I ever live large and have my hair colored? Use to, use to buy the good clothes on sale, now I am so grateful that I have the short hair, don't need half the products I use to buy at the drug stores. Have a moisurizer, mascara, lipstick, blush and that is it. Soap smells so good and a nicely priced body lotion and deodorant. Now, I am the mgr. I have been out of that shelter sponsored by the ARC and I just got my 15 year pin, cause I damn well did go back 2 x a week on weekends and I brought cookies, gum, candy bars for those kids who are stuck there on the weekends, have no family to invite them over for dinner. It gets lonelier in the shelter. I have taken kids to get ice cream, I'll make time during the week to take mothers, kids to doctor's appts. The High school coaches come and pick up athelete students, who could qualify for a scholarship, it breaks your heart, but you feel good the coach picks the boy or girl up,they still keep up with activities while their lives have fallen apart, they are ashamed they are living in a homeless shelter. We do need to bring this out and that TV show, I didn't see it, but was told by some friend who called me that they showed one. I don't care about that women and her inability to be a better mother, but I hope she does more for these homeless shelter. If she went to one each week and filmed and showed how bad it is in this country. We need people to not only donate food, but see if you qualify to help the families, the single people, which I was. I was destitute. I needed any help you would have extended to me. Kate may be using TLC to get all the extras in life like lots of ridiculous shoes, but one pr of her shoes would buy 100 prs of flip flops for kids in a shelter for an entire summer. What do you pay for flip flops compared to those high heels? Please help
By Nancy in Providence RI on Monday, June 20, Giving Back, Episode 8 at 7:47 PM

Monday, June 27, Hodge Podge Dinner

For the first time ever, Kate lets the kids take over her kitchen, from baking treats to planning their own meal. They are off to the dialysis center where she and the kids hand deliver baked goods to those undergoing treatment.
30 minutes

Kate Plus 8 Viewers

April 4   - 1.306 million viewers
April 11 - 1.214 million viewers  down 7%
April 18 - 0.874 million viewers  down 28% down 33% from April 4
May 2    - 0.681 million viewers down 22% down 48% from April 4
June 6   -1.214 million viewers  
June 13 -1.434 million viewers                                  
               -1.297 million viewers
June 20 -0.938 million viewers down 28% from April 4
June 27 -1.000 million viewers

I Wish I'd Never Heard of Kate Gosselin

This morning as I was wishing Kate Gosselin was already in the long forgotten dregs of reality TV past, it hit me that I wished I'd never tuned in to the first special.  I wished I could be one of the people in the world who could go Kate who? Gosselin?  Never heard of her. 

Has anyone else begun to resent that Kate came into your life through TV, appearances, or tabloid fodder?

Free Discussion 6/18 - 7/ 1

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Monday, June 20, Giving Back, Episode 8

With so many in need, the Gosselins are giving back! Watch as the Gosselins help pack bags of food for those who are less fortunate, hand out sloppy joe's to the hungry at a local soup kitchen, and join forces with Feeding America for a local food drive.

60 minutes

What Will It Take?

I've seen everyone speculate for years that the show is "circling the drain". It never seems to die........ What do you think would make TLC seriously end the show?

Submitted by Jaimie

Monday, June 13, Episode 10, 10:30 PM, Chicks & Eggs

The Gosselins are finally sharing their Easter celebration with viewers for the first time! Watch as the kids decorate their own special Easter treat and dye their own Easter eggs. Of course, Easter wouldn't be complete without a good old fashion(ed) egg hunt.
(30 minutes)

Monday, June 13, Episode 11, 10 PM, 6 Becomes 7!

The sextuplets are turning 7! With only 5 days to plan, Kate is determined to have a pool party to remember with a surprise addition to the pool. But as everyone knows, pulling off a birthday for six excited kids is no easy task.
(30 minutes)

Episode 10 at 10:30

Why does TLC keep pushing the idiot idea of rushing to plan birthday parties?  It isn't like the parents don't know it's coming up.

Free Discussion 6/4 - 6/17

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Monday, June 6, Episode 6 Now Kate's Night Out Episode 9

Will it air and what will it be?  How many viewers will watch?

(30 minutes)

May be 60 minute episode 9.  TLC seems to having trouble deciding what to do next.

Kate's best friend Jamie surprises her with a birthday weekend in New York. The two have a night on the town, including dinner and dancing! But how will Kate handle a loud club full of people? Meanwhile, Ashley watches the kids back home make a mess!

60 minutes

My two cents:  Don't try to hand us it's a surprise any more.  We know it was all a TLC scripted event and had to be arranged well in advance and to find a place that would allow filming.  So TLC is now trying to capitalize on Kate as a freak rather than the alleged perfect mother? 

Also the next episodes listed are 10 and 11 although scheduled to be shown reversed.  6, 7, and 8 are missing somewhere.

Free Discussion 5/28 - 6/3

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Free Discussion 5/14 - 5/20

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Free Discussion 5/7 - 5/13

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Will You Celebrate the End of Kate Plus 8?

Will you do anything special to commemorate the end of the show when we're sure it's done?  If so, what?

I think I'll go to the local bakery for a slice of their special chocolate fudge cake and perhaps splurge with whipped cream on top.  Not organic, not "healthily," but very delicious and a true "rare treat."

Free Discussion 4/30 - 5/6

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TLC April 2011 Upfront New Shows Not Much Kate

From Futon Critic.

Fox Philly speculates on cancellation.

Have we reached the end of the road?  The blog polls suggest that we are there or nearly there if the readers are correct. 

Kate has surprised but before, but is there really anywhere left that she hasn't already been or already tried to go (except back to true reality of course).

Monday, May 2, Philly Fun!

Kate and the kids travel across the state to Philadelphia to learn about the history of the city and their nation. They learn about the Liberty Bell, pretend to be sworn in as President and enjoy a local hockey game!


60 minutes


0.681 million viewers
0.5/1 HH
0.3/1 A18-49
The poll was close.  26% said 700,000 while 39% said 600,000 or less. 
22% drop from the last episode.

Ratings explained - from tvbythenumbers.com.

Rating: Estimated percentage of the universe of TV households (or other specified group) tuned to a program in the average minute. Ratings are expressed as a percent.


Share (of Audience): The percent of households (or persons) using television who are tuned to a specific program, station or network in a specific area at a specific time. (See also, Rating, which represents tuning or viewing as a percent of the entire population being measured.) (Shown as HH.)

Free Discussion 4/23 - 4/29

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Free Discussion 4/16 - 4/22

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Monday, April 18, New Zealand

Kate and the kids have one more country to tackle before heading home - New Zealand! The family wastes no time learning about the native animals and tribes, but when Mady and Cara decide to do a Sky Jump, will Kate join them while conquering her own fear?

60 minutes

(Putting this up now so I won't forget.  Kate has fallen off my radar.)

Kate at the Australian Zoo (Whatever)

Sorry, I forgot that there was a Kate episode on tonight.

Free Discussion 4/9 - 4/15

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TV 101

This is the simplified version.

TV networks are for profit corporations.  The bottom line is what drives them.

They look at income minus costs to get their profit. 

Where do they get the income?  From ad revenue - the commercials shown during the episodes.

What drives ad revenue?  The ratings.  That's the purpose of the spring kick off sessions for fall shows.  The networks are trying to get the advertisers to buy time on their shows.  I won't go into detail of how that arrangement works such as paybacks if the show underperforms what the network sold, etc. 

Now we're to Nielsen and the ratings.  There are reportedly 25,000 or so Nielsen households in the country.  Nielsen projects the national viewership from that small sample.  Only the viewers who are contracted such as those with Nielsen boxes or the paper reports are counted.  People who are counted for ratings will know this and will have signed contracts or have a letter.  The rest of the people may watch or not watch and will not affect the ratings one way or the other. 

That's it.  Blogs do not figure into the decision of keeping a show on the air.  What feeds the ad price is the rating and/or demographic the company wants to reach.  The rating of the demographic or demo that the company buying the ad time wants to pitch to is usually the driving force. 

So talk or watch or not and it affects the equation not at all unless you are being counted.  What are the odds that this blog is driving dozens of Nielsen families to watch a particular TV show?  I'd say somewhere between nonexistent and not at all.

The bottom line is if the ad revenue exceeds costs then TLC makes a profit.  If costs exceed ad revenue, then TLC loses money.  If TLC is in a loss situation, the show is obviously ended.  If the show is making a profit but TLC thinks it isn't high enough or they think another show can make more, the show ends then also.   Kate currently stays on the air because at least through last season, the show must still have been making money for TLC.   Don't worry about the contract with Kate.  The networks have clauses to end unprofitable shows.

Someone asked what we are going to do to keep the blog going when Kate is gone.  We have no plans at this point to do so.  We have no desire to branch into other topics or shows just to keep the blog running.  We set up the blog to talk about the Gosselins because we could see that Television Without Pity was going to permanently lock the Gosselin thread soon.  We aren't blogging for the money.  We've never had ads and never will.  We aren't blogging for our own vanity and to get our writing out to the world or establish ourselves and the blog as a career move.  All of the mods have other things that have come up since the blog began that we'd rather be doing and spend most of our time on.  For those of you who want to discuss other topics or stay in touch there is an unmoderated Free Discussion blog that began as an off-shoot from Duggars Without Pity.  Please email me with any topics that you'd like to have there or send it through a comment on the Duggar blog.   Thank you for reading and may the show be off the air soon. 

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Monday, April 4, Australia Adventure (Season Two)

Kate and her eight are traveling to Australia! Watch the Gosselins ring in the new year in Sydney. Later, Kate attempts to go swimming with sharks, but will she be up for the challenge? And finally, the family meets real Australian aboriginals.


 
(60 minutes)

Free Discussion 3/26 - 4/ 1

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Maggie on the Radio

The New Toginet Radio - Living the Dream Mom
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Free Discussion 3/19 - 3/25

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Australia, April 4, the propaganda begins

On Monday, April 4 at 10pm, TLC brings back all-new episodes of Kate Plus 8. The hour-long premiere episode follows Kate and her eight as they travel 21 hours across the globe to Australia – the longest flight they’ve ever taken. The Gosselins are beyond excited about ringing in 2011 in a city that celebrates the new year first – Sydney, Australia. They visit the beaches and enjoy the warm December air on the other side of the world. Kate takes a boat to the middle of the ocean in hopes of swimming next to sharks – in a cage of course – but will Kate be too scared to get in the freezing, rough water? Then, the family meets Australian aboriginals and learn about their culture – from dancing and camping to digeridoos and boomerangs, there are a lot of new experiences to be had for the Gosselins. But when it comes time to spending the night in tents, will Kate and her kids be able to sleep outside and camp out?

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Free Discussion 2/26 - 3/4

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What Kate Has Lost

Let's all begin a list of hosts or co hosts or talk shows who no longer have Kate on and probably no longer answered her tweets/emails/calls/calls for help: Bill Bush Mary Hart Letterman Leno Meridith Veira Natalie Morales Oprah Barbara Walters Joy Behar The Insider Jimmy Fallon Rachael Ray Dr. Phil Dr. Oz Paula Deen No Cooking Shows at All, NONE None of the Mother Shows Now I know I missed a lot, but I also wanted to bring to everyone's attention that Kate does not have a column in ANY magazines like Good Housekeeping Redbook Oprah's Magazine Style Sure you folks can think of a few Also, there are all the Web sites that she does not have a column on like I Village (for women) Sure you folks can think of a few Now, there are also the stores, products that no longer give her free stuff: BJs Costco Jamboree Giant Milk Companies Diaper and Wet One Companies Juicy, Juicy again, your folks can come up with more. Started you on what I can call: The Clock That is Ticking Away the 15 minutes. PS No one took credit for her dress of her shoes, did they on these last 2 appearances? Beside Steve standing backstage during the Lopez show, was there any Paps outside to take her pic? There were paps outside, as there is when Stars enter thru the Stage Doors and when they exit the Stage door.None of them took her picture. Know why? It cost more money to take the pic/send it to the agencies than it returns as no one is interested in bidding for first publication on their websites.

Credit:  Wives of Pap People

How Could Kate Cut Expenses and Realistically Increase Her Income?

What are the realistic steps could take to return the normal life that is awaiting her?

Kate Goes Cable

Kate will be on late, late night TV on TBS on the George Lopez show Monday night.

Pictures of Jon at Work

In case you missed it, TMZ has photos of Jon working.

Free Discussion 2/19 - 2/25

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Kate on "The Talk," Tuesday, February 15

Kate and Cyndi Lauper are scheduled to make appearances.  This is the same show that had Eden and Micki Wood on a few weeks ago.

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Wednesday, Feb 2, 10 PM The E! True Hollywood Story: Kate Gosselin

An exclusive look is taken at the life of a controversial reality TV mother whose eight children and tumultuous relationship with her husband have taken center stage in the media, propelling her to popularity and widespread public scrutiny.

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Tracking the Viewers

June 6                       3. 4 million episode one
                                3 million episode two

July 11                       2.229 million

August 31                   1.613 million

September 6              1.389 million

September 13             1.415 million

September 20             1.605 million

November 7                1.331 million

November 28              1.302 million

Off Topic Experiences with the Coupon Special

One of our readers brought up the experience described on a couponing blog of that author's experience with a TLC production.

Why I'm Featured


Additional information about the couponing special.

My Brief Encounter


One who was on and donates.

Donating on Youtube

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