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WowJustWow said...

Correction: Sorry, the calendar has school starting on the 4th, not the 3rd. (The 3rd show as the last day of break!) But still not mid-January.

hannah said...

Poor Jon. I hope you cam still have a good time and get a good judge.


happy new year

hannah said...

i hope jon has a good new years. shame on tlc and kate

hope 2011 is the end of her.


happy new years.

The Eyes Have It said...

"Their eyes look horrible, they look like they have been given something powerful."

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You can only see the eyes of Aaden, Mady and Hannah (the others are looking down) and I thought the kids looked pretty darn good for being on a flight that long. I didn't see anything strange about their eyes. Did anyone else?
Were there photos other than the one of them arriving at the airport?

Snow Globe said...

Wow said,

"Correction: Sorry, the calendar has school starting on the 4th, not the 3rd. (The 3rd show as the last day of break!) But still not mid-January."

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Did someone say that school started in mid-January? There were internet reports that they would be BACK HOME in mid-January, not that school starts in mid-January.

No Longer Care About This 'Family' said...

Happy New Year to all, and wishes for a happy and healthy new year.

As for me, I left this blog once before, last year, and came back to read it periodically. I'm sorry I did.

The comments here, for the most part, are thoughtful and concerned. I applaud all the viewers who are concerned about the children and the moderators are wonderful.

But something broke in me just yesterday when I read about Kart taking the kids to the museum and now to Australia....

Everyone keeps saying that filming is the problem. NO IT IS NOT THE FILMING. It is the mother and her narcissistic personality disorder.

It is the fact that she never bonded with the babies when they were small. She acts like she doesn't even love them; perhaps she doesn't know how to... maybe because of how she was raised, I don't know.

It is the fact that she is verbally and emotionally abusive to them ON FILM - I shudder to think of what is on the cutting room floor.

The kids are almost feral and certainly haven't been taught the things a normal mother would teach them, such as manners, respect, compassion, how to get along with siblings, anger management techniques appropriate to their ages....

I do feel sorry for the kids on one level. These formative years have pretty much cemented their personalities for life. What they are now is what they will be as adults. Scary, huh?

And here is the kicker, my great epiphany - I don't care anymore!

Kart is not a nurturing woman and she has bred and raised kids who are unpleasant to watch.

I don't care. I don't care if the kids grow up to be brats unable to get along in society. I don't care if Kart is sleeping with Purseboy. I don't care if Jon never gets to see his kids.

I don't care if her boobs melt, her hair falls out, she loses another pink cell phone or she gets wrinkles from her tanning sessions. I don't care if Chris shows up for his paparazzo photo shoots.

The only reason THIS family has caught the national eye is that TLC had the greed and bad taste to film them.

I'll continue in a second post if the mods will allow it.

2nd Half of My Post said...

Continued -

There are so many, many, many mothers and kids like this bunch and we don't see it because it's not on TV. It's a sad and scary fact that she isn't unique and she certainly isn't the worst....

It just breaks my heart that our brave servicemen and women overseas get no TV coverage, no free trips, kitchen remodels, solar heat panels, houses for their kids....

It makes me cry that kids in our own cities go hungry, can't read, and shoot each other over drug deals and tennis shoes.

I am appalled that our politicians carry on the way some of them do, showing disrespect to voters who put them in office.

It infuriates me that drunk drivers kill thousands of people each year, continue to drive and very seldom pay for their crimes.

It horrifies me that drugs ruin the lives of so many young Americans and the country seems incapable of stemming this tide of death and destruction.

It saddens me that the TV industry promotes shows like Kart's. I resent the 'dumming down' of entertainment for the viewers.

In view of all these things, this family has become insignificant to me.

She will continue to be nasty because she can't change her personality and the kids will continue to have issues because she is incapable of mothering them appropriately.

For those who want this mess to quit filming the kids, the only thing for us to do is STOP watching, STOP buying the magazines, STOP commenting on the blogs, which we know the TLC minions mine for ideas..

I'm sure folks might think I'm angry, and I'm really not. I simply don't care and I'm done keeping track of this disgusting train wreck. Watching a b*tch treat her family and those around her badly is not entertaining.

I have to tell you though, that as bad as filming is for these kids, living with that woman is the primary problem.

If filming stops, the screeching and hitting will still go one with no one to see it. Then the schools will be the only watchdogs.

I realized yesterday there is nothing I can do, and nothing I want to do about it. And I feel so free.

Done. Don't care. Done.

SisterScandinavia said...

I have a question for F/A, why was she allowed to have a big bag of makeup and hair products with her? Isn't the law for everyone that you are only allowed to have small bottles of care products in a clear zip lock bag? I went to New Orleans last year and they made me throw out the lip gloss in my purse.

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Sam, she might have bought new stuff in the airport shops. If you do it like that it's perfectly fine.

Bubbles said...

Another aspect of this that just occurred to me: the poor kids can't even know where they will be from day to day. There's no way they can be told in advance where they are going, since TLC is trying to keep things secret and they'd surely mention it to other kids. So the kids probably just wake up and are told, "We're going on a trip," and don't even know where they're going until they get to the airport. They have no stability in their lives any more...even school is being disrupted and school was the only thing close to a safe haven they had.

The judge says said...

Exhausted said...
Can someone answer this: why does Jon no longer have the right to pull the plug on filming? I thought he and Kate always had that power to exercise that option. Isn't that what he did when the misspelled sign was on the gate that time? Why can he no longer do that?


Right after J&K split they seemed to work together and make decisions jointly; they traded off custody at the house, etc. BUT, then Jon put up the sign saying no filming and TLC took him to court and won. Jon's contract was adjusted and filming continued.

Jon protested the kid's filming in court, Kate disagreed, and the judge ruled that Kate has the right to decide whether and when the kids will film because it's "work related".

The judge is the one who said Kate has control because it is for WORK. Jon recently asked the courts to stop the Australia trip and was shot down again. The reason the kids are still filming is because of Kate and the judge.

trial size? said...

I have a question for F/A, why was she allowed to have a big bag of makeup and hair products with her? Isn't the law for everyone that you are only allowed to have small bottles of care products in a clear zip lock bag? I went to New Orleans last year and they made me throw out the lip gloss in my purse.

She could have bought new products in the airport shops after going through security or she could have a bag full of a lot of smaller sized products. I don't think they said the products were big, but rather they said it was a big bag.

pinkdiamond611 said...

There is no excuse why Kart is so disgusting towards her children. Someone mentioned "she didn't bond with them". Let's not throw her the mother of multiples excuse card. First off, she certainly bonded with Cara and Mady, and she still treats them like garbage. She bonded with a couple of the tup girls, and she still treats them like slaves also. I am a teacher in a NYC public school, every year there are several foster children who enter the school. Guess what? these strangers are able to love and nurture the children to make them whole. It all goes back to Kart, the reason why she had the sextuplets in the first place. Attention, Attention, Attention and to become rich. It is all about her, nothing about the children.

I'm Ready, Mr.DeMille said...

Just a thought for 2011 for TLC to consider. Instead of the show being called K8+8, why not call it "Katie Does...".
Katie does NYC
LA
N. Carolina
Alaska
Philadelphia
Australia
and so on...
She has been the central figure during the past year and so nothing would dramatically change except maybe some of the pressure that the kids have had to endure would ease up on them. (Whew, such a very long sentence. Sorry.)
The kids could do a "cameo appearance" when she is leaving the McMansion for one of her career moves with Steve in tow. (Hmm, notice that he is no longer carrying her purse? He got a status promotion))

Oh wait, maybe it's not a very good idea. After all, time she now spends with her kids is when they are filming.

She's Such A Phoney said...

In response to No Longer Cares About This Family,You beat me to the punch! I was thinking the same thing only I feel that everyone on this blog not only should not watch Khate's show, but all of TLC! If the ratings for all of TLC's shows dractically declines, then it curtains because Khate caused this. Think about it, Khate obviously has a hold on TLC, for whatever reason,they are willing to cough up the big bucks to treat this demon like she was royal. Well,since its all a money game to TLC,if all the ratings go down,boom! Face it, what type of shows do they produce? Child abuse in the form of Toddlers and Tiaras, Khate + 8, Obese men, women and children, Sister wives, people with strange eating disorders, strange sex disorders, etc. Interspersed with good shows like Cake Boss, Ultimate Cake Off and the Wedding Dress Shows along with What Not to Wear. While these good shows will suffer with this cessation, they will eventually make it to another good, decent channel. The big bag of garbage that TLC calls entertainment will cost them. Don't go to her blog, let's stop talking about her and don't watch any TLC. The judge said it was work related, remember she said the kids aren't working. Two kids are in trouble and Mady still can't get a drink, what does that tell you? Khate's demonic tantrums rule for TLC! Let's all quit together! Happy New Year to all!

Kate Don't Rate said...

No Longer Care About This 'Family' said...


Everyone keeps saying that filming is the problem. NO IT IS NOT THE FILMING. It is the mother and her narcissistic personality disorder.

It is the fact that she never bonded with the babies when they were small. She acts like she doesn't even love them; perhaps she doesn't know how to... maybe because of how she was raised, I don't know.

It is the fact that she is verbally and emotionally abusive to them ON FILM - I shudder to think of what is on the cutting room floor.

The kids are almost feral and certainly haven't been taught the things a normal mother would teach them, such as manners, respect, compassion, how to get along with siblings, anger management techniques appropriate to their ages....

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Oh, how right you are on all points.

Leigh Ann said...

I have a question for F/A, why was she allowed to have a big bag of makeup and hair products with her? Isn't the law for everyone that you are only allowed to have small bottles of care products in a clear zip lock bag? I went to New Orleans last year and they made me throw out the lip gloss in my purse.

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Sam, she might have bought new stuff in the airport shops. If you do it like that it's perfectly fine.
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In addition to that, each passenger gets one quart-sized bag with small containers. She could have divided up all her stuff between the eight kids for going through security. I'm not a make-up person, but I've done tons of flying and dividing up the load makes sense anyway. I remember my mom back in the 70s saying "Just stick it in your backpack, we'll sort it out on the plane" or when we land or whatever.

K8STFU said...

pinkdiamonds, agreed.

You know, every once in a while in the earlier episode, K8 would show a *flash* of normalcy towards her kids that kept me thinking that maybe, just maybe, she wasn't so bad.

Fast foward to today - she is a monster who thinks her kids are nothing but 8 nuisances she must tolerate for her "work".

Happy New Year everyone.

WonderButton said...

Leigh Ann said...

*snip*

In addition to that, each passenger gets one quart-sized bag with small containers. She could have divided up all her stuff between the eight kids for going through security.

*snip*

How sad! One more job for the poor 8 - Kate's little makeup mules.

Marie France said...

I found this Facebook page created by someone in Australia telling Khate to go home. Even they hate her.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=25507&id=140923052632512&saved#!/pages/Go-Home-Kate-Gosselin-Aus-and-NZ-dont-want-you-here/140923052632512?v=wall

ChurchMouse said...

I'm Ready, Mr.DeMille said...

Just a thought for 2011 for TLC to consider. Instead of the show being called K8+8, why not call it "Katie Does..."

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Hmm, guess that would work.
So long as she didn't visit Dallas.

Make Me Up said...

Sam, she might have bought new stuff in the airport shops. If you do it like that it's perfectly fine.

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Do they have "designer" make-up shops at the Philly airport? Probably not. I would imagine that she uses only the best and most expensive brands. I can't see her shelling out money on lesser brands when she has all the top-of-the-line products at home.

se said...

Kate has turned TLC into the "Jerry Springer Channel" Things just keep getting more outrageous with each passing day, not only K+8 but the other shows as well. They might as well have Jerry come host....

Misery Loves Company said...

Why would she care? It's not her money, remember she snuck herself some shoes rather pointedly, when TLC had it set up for the kids to get shoes. And yes LAX has some very nice shops in it and is a great place to shop, especially on someone else's dime which is Khate's whole philosophy on life - someone else's dime, someone else's time and most of all 8 tiny little back(s).

so sick of her said...

Has anyone noticed, that there have not been any new pics of Kate or the kids. Boy, that would make Kate freak. When they went on any trip, it was all over the net. Now silence. There is some idoit sheeple who keeps saying that Jon is leaking stuff to the media. Please, maybe Kate and her cronies: Carla, Ashley or TLC PR are. Jon would not be that stupid to crucify self.

WowJustWow said...

Snow Globe,
I was responding to this a bit back:

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Mom In Lancaster County said...
Is the school they attend on a semester system?

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Trimester system. If they are back mid-January (around the 18), they will miss nine days (There's a MLK holiday in there).

Mom In Lancaster County said...

"Trimester system. If they are back mid-January (around the 18), they will miss nine days (There's a MLK holiday in there)."

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Wow -- I think you misunderstood this to mean that the school resumes sessions in mid-January. If they are back (home) from their trip in mid-January, then they will miss nine days. Kids go back on the 4th.

Jon knows less about his kids than we do.... said...

I seriously doubt that Jon is privy to anything that goes on with Khate and his kids and TLC. He is not exactly an insider. He probably gets more information from the blogs about his own kids than he does from their mother. He gets less consideration as a father than any I have ever known.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

I found this Facebook page created by someone in Australia telling Khate to go home. Even they hate her.
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By now, most normal human beings get that exploiting the kids by having them constantly filming at Kate's beck and call and for her own personal glory, is not benefical to kids in any way.

Get a job Kate, without the kids!!!!

8unhappycampers said...

what is bothering me is the whole why of it. Why Australia? Why now? The show is tanking in a big way so why throw hundreds of thousands at ms. thang? It makes little sense unless TLC either wants her out of the country (again why?) or she's going to do a runner with the kids and live with purse boy in NZ. I vote for TLC wanting her out of the country and or appeasing her in some way. Perhaps TLC IS looking to cut her loose and Kate is making them fulfill their contractual obligations to her? Just speculation.

Leigh Ann said...

Do they have "designer" make-up shops at the Philly airport? Probably not.
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They would have had a layover somewhere and some international airports have fantastic shopping. Changi Airport in Singapore looks like an upscale shopping mall. London's Heathrow would be a likely layover spot and it has great shopping with designer shops, too.

Snow Globe said...

"They would have had a layover somewhere and some international airports have fantastic shopping. Changi Airport in Singapore looks like an upscale shopping mall. London's Heathrow would be a likely layover spot and it has great shopping with designer shops, too."

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I think that's the long route to Down Under. They flew from Philly to LA; from LA to Sydney.

Kate The Call Girl said...

"By now, most normal human beings get that exploiting the kids by having them constantly filming at Kate's beck and call and for her own personal glory, is not benefical to kids in any way."

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I think by now most people have figured out that Kate is a beck and call girl!

faline said...

I can't believe no one is commenting on the fact that she drugs them for the long flight. How many of us have had young children? They are super excited to be on the plane, and need multiple ways of being entertained. Nope, not hers. All out like a light,even snoring according to the FA.

Leigh Ann said...

what is bothering me is the whole why of it. Why Australia? Why now?
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That's what I've been wondering. It makes no sense. Now I could see taking the kids to Korea to see where their dad's family comes from. But that would make no sense without Jon and I think Kate wouldn't want them to connect with anything relating to their dad. And all this travel is going nothing to broaden Kate's horizons. She's still just as shallow as ever. The kids probably aren't getting much out of it, either. Not because of their young ages so much, but they're having so much shoved at them at once they don't have time to digest any of it. Even a six-year-old can appreciate a nice vacation to a new place but when you're dragged from pillar to post in a short amount of time it all runs together. I can just hear them sitting around in a few years. "I remember riding a dog sled in Australia. No, Australia was where was saw the big bell. No, that was Alaska. Wait a minute, didn't we go some place close to home once? I remember just driving somewhere." At least they can pull out the DVDs and jog their memories.

Brummygirl said...

Regarding the ethics of the P.A. Judge, some have said that he had no choice, he has to follow a guideline.
In my opinion, he does not carry the name of "Judge" for nothing, this is where he should be able to judge for himself what is in the children's best interest. If he cannot see that filming is not, then he does not deserve the position or title which goes along with it.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

I do not watch Oprah! I do not watch TLC! But I do wish that Oprah had bought TLC and turned it into her ego trip network OWN! I do honestly think she wouldn't continue with Kate 8.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

I really wish someone RICH would come along, fund Jon's legal fees for the BEST attorney firm possible to FIGHT in the courts like a mad dog and tie the hands of Kate and TLC for so long they'd both go broke or give up from exhaustion. I'm just dreaming!

Once An Attorney said...

In my opinion, he does not carry the name of "Judge" for nothing, this is where he should be able to judge for himself what is in the children's best interest. If he cannot see that filming is not, then he does not deserve the position or title which goes along with it.

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I understand what you are saying, but if a judge didn't follow the law, and he put his personal feelings into his rulings, the entire judicial system would be in a state of anarchy! Legislators make the law; the judge interprets the law. He MUST make his ruling based on the factual evidence put in front of him.

This wasn't about whether filming is in the best interest of the children; this was about who has the right to decide if the kids should be filmed, and if she has the right to take them on trips in order to do so. Unfortunately, he ruled that it is Kate who has the right to make the decision, and that TLC has contracted with them to appear in these shows. The trip was work-related; therefore, Kate and kids had an obligation to TLC not to breach that contract.

The question of whether or not filming is beneficial to the children is another matter entirely, and the plaintiff's (Jon) arguments must be supported by documented evidence by mental health professionals, supplemented by the testimonies of teachers, witnesses, etc. When and if this happens, THEN the judge can review the evidence and make his determination as to whether filming is harmful to the kids. I certainly hope that Jon is gathering his eggs and putting them into a basket to put forth before a judge. If the judge finds in Jon's favor, Kate would no doubt would go through the appeal process, and this case could be tied up for a long, long time before any final ruling is made.

Here's an analogy. If you ask anyone why the Civil War was fought, most people would reply, "slavery." That's not why the war erupted. It was fought over state's rights/secession. Included in the conflict was whether the state had the right to either uphold slavery or to abolish it, but slavery itself was not the reason the war was fought.

This, then, was the essence of the conflict between Kate and Jon in regards to filming...WHO HAS THE RIGHT? I guess one could almost call it the "War Between The Gosselins" because there is nothing "civil" about it.

We haven't seen the contracts, nor the documentation, nor the papers that were presented to the court. We don't know what the contracts contain, i.e., what "out" Kate has in regards to the terms of the contract; nor TLC's position in enforcing the terms therein.

Berks Has Shoes! said...

Leigh Ann said...

what is bothering me is the whole why of it. Why Australia? Why now?

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Think of Sarah Palin's Alaska. It's a tourist destination -- the series is a travelogue involving well-known people. Australia is also a tourist destination. TLC had to pick a place that would generate interest and people would watch it DESPITE Kate being a part of the show, much the same way viewers tuned in to watch SPA. TLC knows the ratings are down for Kate. This is one last-ditch effort to score really big numbers, the same way they did for SPA. If they had waited until summer (kids out of school) to film there, it would have been too late to boost ratings.

Brummygirl said...

Once an Attorney said:

This wasn't about whether filming is in the best interest of the children; this was about who has the right to decide if the kids should be filmed, and if she has the right to take them on trips in order to do so. Unfortunately, he ruled that it is Kate who has the right to make the decision, and that TLC has contracted with them to appear in these shows. The trip was work-related; therefore, Kate and kids had an obligation to TLC not to breach that contract.
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I did say that it was my opinion and unlike you, have no background in law, but I was not just referring to the recent trips for filming, I was encompassing the whole judging of this fiasco. If the bigger guns (i.e. T.L.C.) always win, then what hope has the ordinary person to fight these people. Surely this is where the court comes in to decide whether or not something should be changed to benefit, in this case, the children. Otherwise, the ones with the most money, best lawyers and pull always win. I do not think that is justice at all...again, just my opinion.
As you say, Jon needs proof and backup on many aspects to fight these people, most of all he needs lawyers of the same calibre as T.L.C. and Kate have.
I have not always been in Jon's corner as I think he as well as Kate instigated all this, but if I were in his shoes, I would feel so helpless at the moment that I could not depend on the people who represent Justice for all.

so sick of her said...

Well, here is something that will make all of us PO. I just read over at the other web-site, someone who lives down the road from K8, was talking about the dog. This person says that the dog is chained outside along the house, for the past 3 days. They reported it, and are waiting to see if the dog is gonna be removed. This sounds like something Kate would do. She thinks animals can take care of themselves. We know she does not like dogs, animals, littles boys or children who don't do exactly what she tells them. Poor dog, poor kids.

Free Shoka! said...

They reported it, and are waiting to see if the dog is gonna be removed.

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She reported it today, but didn't say that she was waiting to see if the dog will be removed. She said this dog doesn't seem to be getting any attention and that he is fending for himself, chained to a tether on the north side of the house. She also said that as of this evening, the dog was still chained there.

Once An Attorney said...

I have not always been in Jon's corner as I think he as well as Kate instigated all this, but if I were in his shoes, I would feel so helpless at the moment that I could not depend on the people who represent Justice for all.

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I totally agree. I would feel the same way. This is why Jon needs to get a barracuda of an attorney who goes to court armed and ready for action.

The problem with going against TLC is that they have unlimited funds; Jon does not. If the case is decided against him and she appeals, I'm not sure he has the resources to keep fighting it. There is a point you reach when you get beaten down enough that you realize it's futile and you call it quits.

I believe that's where he is right now. For him, it's difficult at this point in the game to get any momentum going. Difficult, but not entirely impossible. The best case scenario would be if Paul Petersen and his advisors would put him in touch with an attorney who would take the case pro bono. Or, if he would seek monetary damages on behalf of the children, an attorney who would take the case on a contingency basis.

Pony said...

How rural of an area is the house's location? I ask because in my city, it's against the law to leave a dog chained up for longer than 2 hours at any given time. Any dog that is left outside for longer than 2 hours must have access to shelter, i.e. a dog house, water, and shade. Surely the animal control department can take the dog. If they do, how is Kate planning to explain the disappearance of Shoka?

If anyone knows how to contact Jon, maybe he can find a way to rescue the dog.

Berks Has Shoes! said...

I ask because in my city, it's against the law to leave a dog chained up for longer than 2 hours at any given time.

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There's an anti-tethering law, PA H.B. 1254 that's been stuck in the legislature for some time. I don't know if it has passed or not. Last I heard, it was still being tweaked.

Brummygirl said...

Once an Attorney said:

The best case scenario would be if Paul Petersen and his advisors would put him in touch with an attorney who would take the case pro bono. Or, if he would seek monetary damages on behalf of the children, an attorney who would take the case on a contingency basis.
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That would be a couple of good ideas. Here's hoping.

1momski said...

As far as the dog being tied up outside Kate's house, please be careful believing that it is true. The sheeple are planting stories that are false just to get everyone upset and to make those that question Kate look stupid and to invalidate concern against Kate in general. Think about it, why wouldn't Kate just send the dog (Shokla, I think) back to the breeder while she is out of the country. There are tons of other places to board your dogs when traveling. My two go to the vet to board. He has outside runs and one of my dogs has arthritis and I feel better with him at the vet. Kate is so cruel that it is certainly possible that she has abandoned the dog but I do doubt if she would risk the consequences. So don't believe everything you read, we are being played in some instances.

Exhausted said...

The jude says...

The judge is the one who said Kate has control because it is for WORK. Jon recently asked the courts to stop the Australia trip and was shot down again. The reason the kids are still filming is because of Kate and the judge.

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Thanks for clarifying this for me. But don't you think part of the renegotiations involved Jon allowing them to have full control over the kids in return for something? We'll never know the exact specifics of the contract, but something seems fishy. I like Jon as a person; I would have a beer with him probably. But I don't think he's always put the kids first the way he needs to. I would think he of all people could paint a very clear picture of how much work the kids have to do if he wanted to. If the judge has papers where Jon re-signed with TLC for some compensation and he as one of their parents allowed the kids to be TLC's working trick ponies, I guess a judge cannot say much.

It just seems as though Jon can only go so far before he sells out to them. You got yourself into a huge mess here, and to get out of this requires a lot of persistence. Let's hope he finds that persistence and independence from TLC in 2011.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Seriously,if Kate agreed well in advance that she was going to a very extended leave in Australia, could she have not made some arrangements for a kennel?

Seriously, although this is not ideal, wouldn't it be better than leaving the dog alone for 20 days, even if she has someone feeding the dog on a regular basis?

She should never have been a pet owner, let alone a parent of 8 kids, but Shoka has only been back in her home for 2 months. Very telling.

so sick of her said...

Ok, here is a pic someone took of Kate and camera crew & some of the kids. Guess where they are? THE BEACH!
www.twitpic.com/3m4p9q
(love the web-site name, fits Kate to a tea)(from our other web-site friends) A place called Bondi beach. Kate does not look happy(she is has a bikini on, white top, pink bottom, I'm shocked Kate, no new bikini? she has worn this before), I guess too many people, and they are not noticing her! OOh, my God! the world is gonna end! What a shame!I guess that lasted about what 20 mins? I guess she will have a hissy-fit, back at the hotel. This is the second pic(the first being: airport) and the person who took it only put one up. (this pic from a phone camera) guess Steve is not doing his job!

IDModo said...

I think we're being played on the dog issue. Kate and her handlers are not stupid enough to publicly abuse or neglect Shoka. They know that North Americans value their dogs as much or more than heir children, and they know what that would do to Kate in the court of public opinion.

We have enough reasons to believe the worst of Kate without having false information put out there to react to...

Hippie Chick said...

so sick of her said...

Well, here is something that will make all of us PO. I just read over at the other web-site, someone who lives down the road from K8, was talking about the dog. This person says that the dog is chained outside along the house, for the past 3 days. They reported it, and are waiting to see if the dog is gonna be removed. This sounds like something Kate would do. She thinks animals can take care of themselves. We know she does not like dogs, animals, littles boys or children who don't do exactly what she tells them. Poor dog, poor kids.

This could be someone trying to ruffle our feathers. Why wouldn't they call Animal Control? That would be logical. They would just call the SPCA & wait? I'm sorry, but if I KNEW my neighbor was away for an extended vacation & left their dog chained to a doghouse fending for itself, you're damned right I would call the cops, animal control & whoever else to help. I think this may be a ploy to get us, the "haters", talking. If however, this is true, then Kate is a monster, & I hope she she gets sunburned in the 3rd degree & has to stay inside the whole trip w/ 8 kids whining & crying. Karma is a bitch. (not very "hippie" I know, but I volunteer at "Feline Friends" & IF this is true, this burns me.)

Paulette B. said...

I'm sorry but I don't believe Jon has changed. I think the only reason he gambled some of his remaining money to go to court was because if he had won, it would have put him in a position of leverage over TLC. I believe Jon is and always will be at heart a lazy slacker looking for a way to make money without having to work.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Random thoughts:
All of those expensive hair products and Kart's hair still looks gross. lol

The dog would be dead if left tethered to a tree for twenty days. It needs fresh food and water. Also, the weather in PA is cold, with rain and snow, and even an outside dog can't withstand temps that low for twenty days straight.

Is the show shown in Australia? And even if people know who she is, the Australians I have met don't seem the type who would be impressed by a woman whose claim to fame is having 8 kids and making them work for her. jmo

GiveTheKidsABreak said...

"Think of Sarah Palin's Alaska. It's a tourist destination -- the series is a travelogue involving well-known people"

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It just makes me sick that a person like Kate was given this trip. There are so many real celebrities they could choose to do travel shows. There is a hugh difference between seeing Alaska through the eyes of Sara Palin and seeing Australia through the eyes of a greedy narcissist and 8 children who have to perform for the cameras.

Jon is not gone said...

Jon Gosselin will be making big comeback this year according to Popeater:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/12/31/2011-comebacks/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%7C193001


And finally, our dark horse pick for a 2011 comeback: Jon Gosselin. You heard it here first. While his ex-wife Kate stole the spotlight in 2010 and Jon wallowed in his ill-fitting Ed Hardy attire, cuddled up with one low-rent floozy after the next, we believe he was secretly plotting comeback domination. We won't be at all surprised to see another Gosselin make an appearance on 'Dancing With the Stars' (or maybe 'Skating With the Stars,' one-up Kate!), 'Celebrity Fit Club' or some British iteration of 'Big Brother.' Maybe Jon will even start dating someone more abhorred than he is? We haven't heard the last of Jon. Expect big things from him in the next twelve months.

Brummygirl said...

And finally, our dark horse pick for a 2011 comeback: Jon Gosselin. You heard it here first. While his ex-wife Kate stole the spotlight in 2010 and Jon wallowed in his ill-fitting Ed Hardy attire, cuddled up with one low-rent floozy after the next, we believe he was secretly plotting comeback domination. We won't be at all surprised to see another Gosselin make an appearance on 'Dancing With the Stars' (or maybe 'Skating With the Stars,' one-up Kate!), 'Celebrity Fit Club' or some British iteration of 'Big Brother.' Maybe Jon will even start dating someone more abhorred than he is? We haven't heard the last of Jon. Expect big things from him in the next twelve months.
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The only thing I expect from Jon is that he keeps his nose out of the limelight and works hard on finding a legal way to stop those kids filming. Also to have more custody although I expect if they stop filming, Kate will be glad to turn over her 8 previous money makers so she can pursue her *cough* *cough* dubious career!!

Aunt Chris said...

As far as seeing Australia through Kate's eyes - won't happen. What they will show is very little of the actual place, just more of the same, Kate talking to the camera instead of her children, asking if they can leave yet, being bored with the whole thing.

Just like when they film any where, so why spend the money TLC? Just shoot from the back yard.

Leigh Ann said...

It just makes me sick that a person like Kate was given this trip. There are so many real celebrities they could choose to do travel shows.
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Sam Brown has probably already been and she'd be a whole lot more interesting. I'm not sure why they need to turn Kate into a travel host. Not only does she not already know anything about the places, she doesn't seem to pick up anything while she's there, either. When they were touring around New York in the open-topped bus she was far more interesting in getting candy and waving to the other buses than in looking at the scenery or listening to the tour guide that I'm sure she had.

Maggie said...

This comment came through from anonymous, but I am putting it through,

"I would love for Jon to do DWTS. I would also love for him to get some money behind him so he could get a bigger place for the kids. I think he would work really hard and do his best. I don't think it is fair for one parent to live off the kids and the other forced into near poverty as a result of TLCs revenge for speaking out. I also would love for him to do a special where he not Khate takes the kids to visit their Asian roots in SK."

so sick of her said...

Hippy-chick and you other guys: you could be right, cause I even said that a short while ago, that the sheeple are planting stories. I do hope this is not the case. Kate should not have any animals, she can't even take care of her kids. But, I would not put it past, that she would not think of the dogs' welfare. When the original dogs were taken away, cause of neglect, it makes you wonder. Also, the chicken that almost got peck to death, she at first did nothing(she's a nurse?) and barked for someone to take care of it, in stead of her nursing training kicking in and getting that chicken out of there and taking it to the Vet. But with Kate it is always someone else's problem, someone else is the blame, someone else take care of it. (she can't be too good of a nurse, the care to want to save it, is not in her.) She is a big fraud.

ChurchMouse said...

Maggie said...
This comment came through from anonymous, but I am putting it through,..."I also would love for him to do a special where he not Khate takes the kids to visit their Asian roots in SK."

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Well, then we have the same problem--kids being filmed without legal and safety protection.

I would not be adverse to Jon G. being part of an expose documentary on "reality television."

C said...

I don't believe the dog story any more than I believe the recycled sandwich story. Mind you, given Kate's lack of empathy and general meanness I don't put much past her, but surely someone in her camp would make sure she didn't engage in animal cruelty. Apparently cruelty to children is still socially acceptable, within certain limits, but few people would be okay with cruelty to a dog.

If I'm proven wrong, I'm afraid I might entirely loose hope for humanity.

K8STFU said...

"I would love for Jon to do DWTS. I would also love for him to get some money behind him so he could get a bigger place for the kids. I think he would work really hard and do his best. I don't think it is fair for one parent to live off the kids and the other forced into near poverty as a result of TLCs revenge for speaking out. I also would love for him to do a special where he not Khate takes the kids to visit their Asian roots in SK.

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While I agree that Jon would be fantastic on DWTS , his kids need him with them as much as TLC will allow.

I also would love to HEAR about him taking the kids to Korea, but I do not want to SEE it because that means that they were being filmed.

Thinking out loud said...

I think we're being played on the dog issue. Kate and her handlers are not stupid enough to publicly abuse or neglect Shoka. They know that North Americans value their dogs as much or more than heir children, and they know what that would do to Kate in the court of public opinion.

We have enough reasons to believe the worst of Kate without having false information put out there to react to...

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I have to disagree. TLC and Kate's handler's are stupid enough to publicly abuse 8 children on film. Why would they give a rats a** about a dog?

The Blame Game said...

Thanks Maggie that anon was me, got distracted and somehow it went through before I got a name on there.

In My Room said...

Paulette said,

I believe Jon is and always will be at heart a lazy slacker looking for a way to make money without having to work.

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Then why is he working now?

Jon went into court to stop the filming, most likely knowing full well that he was shot down before and didn't have a snowball's chance of winning. Kate always wins. Nevertheless, he knew that he needed to fight for his children, he took a chance and "gambled" his money because he didn't want his kids going to Australia. If he didn't care, he would have just sat back and watched this fiasco unfold, sitting on whatever "remaining" money he has left...

Berks Has Shoes! said...

I have to disagree. TLC and Kate's handler's are stupid enough to publicly abuse 8 children on film. Why would they give a rats a** about a dog?

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True. However, it seems that right now the blogs are being inundated with "insider" stories that can't be verified, such as the F/A story, the dog story, the wedding story, the "friend" of a teacher at the kids' school story...

I think that unless these things can be verified, we can assume that many of these stories are written from anonymous posters who are just seeking attention or trying to stir things up. Each of us can believe what we want to believe. In the end, the stories that are legitimate will be revealed, as well as their sources.

K8STFU said...

I believe Jon is and always will be at heart a lazy slacker looking for a way to make money without having to work.

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Yes, from most accounts Jon led a younger life of privilege and heavily relied on his Dad for financial help, etc.

That said, from what was shown on EVERY episode of Jon + K8, he worked his A$$ off while Queenie sat on her white plastic throne and barked orders.

I don't think Jon is lazy, I think he lacks direction. He has shown on numerous occasions that when he is given a job to do, he works hard and does the job well .

WonderButton said...

Seems to me that an expose piece on behind the scenes of reality TV would be a great contender for a young go-get-em journalist. JK8 and K8 would be excellent models/central pillars. Any aspiring journalists out there?

Pattypanda said...

Maybe Werny Gal and drive by and see about the dog. Also what about the chickens. They can't be left for weeks with eggs in their pen, can just smell it now. Kate will have the thing burned to the ground w/ the remaining chicks when she gets home.

WonderButton said...

As for Shoka tied outside.....It's my understanding that a dog can be tied outside in PA as long as they have adequate shelter, food, water, and a clean, safe area. I once called about a neighbor's husky that cried all day while he was at work, but there was nothing that the county (Luzerne) could do about it, because those conditions were met. That was in 1999 while I was home writing my thesis all day, and that dog drove me absolutely batty.

K8. Fan. said...

I have to agree with K8STFU, Jon is pretty far from lazy. Yeah, he went crazy and acted like a child right after the split. But, ya know, almost every guy his age that has gone thru a split, that I know, has behaved similarly. His 20's were seemingly tricked right out from under him. Yes he was on board for the twins (for the most part this us what we are lead to believe) but his arm was TWISTED for that "one more". And while I'm sure, like all of us, he wouldn't trade his kids for the world, I bet a part of him regrets doing it so young. (being the mother of 3 at 25 I can empathize completely). Anyhow, this behavior does not constitute him as "lazy" or a "slacker" or a "looser". It just means that he had a string of childish and irresponsible decisions for a few months after Kate. I really think he's on the right path now.

Worth one more thought said...

Thinking out loud said:

I think we're being played on the dog issue. Kate and her handlers are not stupid enough to publicly abuse or neglect Shoka.

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Actually this dog has been publicly abused by the children, and at least one child has said on film that "we step on his tail".

So, yes, everybody involved is plenty "stupid enough" and, more importantly, plenty morally challenged enough to have abandoned this dog.

Kate, not her "handlers" or TLC, is the only one responsible for her household.

If you hire household help without adequate checks, or without using a reputable agency, you are very vulnerable if you leave for weeks at a time.

Think about it. Even if you hire a pet sitter, and something happens to that person while you're out of the country for two weeks, you might very well come back to dead animals - unless your sitter has a good back-up system in place.

How many people ask their pet sitters what sort of back up they have in case of an accident or family emergency? Do you actually think Kate is one of those people?

If a PO'd 20 year old employee decided to walk off the job while Kate is down under, the dog might very well be in jeopardy.

This is a rumor that's worth checking out (and, according to another site, IS probably being checked out) as a dog's life may be at stake.

Better safe than sorry, and better to check this one out than let it slide, even if it is from a troll.

Barbra said...

The picture on twitpic shows NO ONE looking at her. Guess they don't know who she is. Bummer. No, Karma! She sure ain't lookin good, hair looks like a 'hot mess', has a mark of some sort showing above the bikini bottom on her left side (scar, stretch mark, fat crease) and, of course, the usual ugly look on her face, never a smile, can't crack the face!

She's Exhausted! said...

That said, from what was shown on EVERY episode of Jon + K8, he worked his A$$ off while Queenie sat on her white plastic throne and barked orders.

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I keep thinking back to the episode when they were getting ready for the Disney trip. Kate had just gotten a hair cut and when she left the shop, Jon pulled up in the white van because Kate had the big blue van and he needed it to pick up the trailer. He had just gotten off work. She begged him to come home with her because she was exhausted. He told her that he had contracted for the trailer that day and he needed to get it so he could load it that night. Several times she told him she was exhausted and wanted him to go home to help her. He told her, "You just got a haircut!"

There he was, knowing that he had a job to do and wanted to get it done, but that didn't suit her -- she wanted him at home to take care of the kids. At least he didn't back down.

I remember thinking to myself -- what would she do if there were no "Jon" and she would have to do everything herself? I guess we found out. Now she has Steve, and nannies and paid helpers. Who would have thought it?

Snow Globe said...

"How many people ask their pet sitters what sort of back up they have in case of an accident or family emergency? Do you actually think Kate is one of those people?"

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What happens if it snows or if there is an ice storm? If the dog house is blocked with drifts? If the sitter can't get there because of the weather?

Living in PA, that's always a possibility during the winter. If I go away, and my cats are at home (they'd rather be there than in a kennel), I make sure I have a reliable sitter (a vet tech) who checks on them several times a day, and I have a back-up plan if, for any reason, the sitter is sick or the weather is bad. I've been known to have as many as three additional emergency contacts in place who I know can get there even in a two-foot snowfall!

Shoka's Understudy said...

I just went to the Facebook page for the Aus and NZ telling kate we don't want you here and to leave!

Hahahahah!

There are a lot of pictures on there and I put alot of comments on there.

It is really easy to get to. Go to Facebook, sign in and on search, type in kate gosselin Aus NZ and it will come up. There are only 57 likes on it, but whoever put this on FB has her number, bigtime!

Remember, if you post on there, it will have your picture and your real name if you join. But if you just look and not post, no problem.

F/A stick together too said...

Kate and 8 kids x 4 4 oz is 36...so if anyone can pull anything off, Kate can. Been griffting for years.

Now, do you think each kid has their own shampoo, soap, etc. NO. She gets all those amenities in their hotel rooms.

She had a large carry on that fit above her seat, then a bag that fit under her seat and a garmet bag hung by the F/A....

It is not hard to figure out. She knows how to get through with her "things like battery operated blow dryers/or electric blow dryers/battery operated straightner, curing irons. Whatever she need to embark and be ready to film.

Does she bring it all back with her? Probably, as she is cheap with them unless she has received them for free. Who cares, the F/A is trying to tell us how a dame like that witch flys with 8 kids, 2 or 3 nannies, her boyfriend and an entire crew of filming people, PR people, etc.

My hubby doesn't travel with that "necessary bag of 4, 4oz bot....he picks up that stuff at drugstores or when he arrives at his hotel. He is a pilot. They just try not make more problems for themselves. As for psgrs trying to have everything, that "he terms she may not need".....it will be that way forever.

last2cu said...

With all due respect for Shoka's Understudy...Who care if your name and photo are posted..Will TLC hunt me down and sue me if I say something about Kate.. I wouldn't say anything I would not say to her plastic surgery ridden face..

K8STFU said...

She's Exhausted !,
I remember that episode clearly.

K8 kept whining and repeatedly asked Jon when he was going to come back (from picking up the van).

I don't know how he put up with her for 10 years, I really don't.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"I remember that episode clearly.

K8 kept whining and repeatedly asked Jon when he was going to come back (from picking up the van).

I don't know how he put up with her for 10 years, I really don't."

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I remember that one also. I thought it was SO odd that she pretends to be so Large and In Charge, yet so emotionally needy as to be unable to handle even a short time of being home alone with the kids. Pretty much the antithesis of the later supposed "Can Do K8" reinvention.

Also, has there EVER been a time when K8G did NOT whine about how hard she works and how EXHAUSTED she always is????? I think not.

Shoka's Understudy said...

Thank you She's Exausted. I have always wondered why she was having such a fit about the vans and the trailer. Jon really was upset because she wanted him to go home with her so she did not have to deal with the kids at all. I just caught her griping about the vans.

She just drove to the beauty shop and got a simple haircut.

Your husband wants the mega van to pick up the trailer and pack the night before and she doesn't want him to get it and do something constructive?

Sounds like Jon was more organized that her. If that was the Disney trip, she held back the beefing about the mega van/trailer gate and blew up about the ice cream drips! Why werent they in a cup with a lid? No drips.

Unbelievable.

readerlady said...

I agree with everyone who posted defending Jon. He is far from being a lazy slacker. He may have said at he beginning of the pregnancy that he would never have to work again, but the fact is that throughout the early seasons of the show he worked a full-time job then came home to take over the child care. He also performed a substantial amount of the home maintenance - often despite constant interference from Kate. It wasn't until sometime during the 4th (?) season that Khate and TLC persuaded him to quit his job and stay home and take care of the kids while Khate traveled to her speaking engagements and promoted her "books". He later said that this was a big mistake on his part. I think he's always been hard working on the show. He may have been a "slacker" when he was younger, but that wasn't for very long. He married Khate when he was 22 and had the twins a year later. The rest, as they say, is history.

Jane in CA said...

Mark me down as another who doesn't think Jon was a slacker during his marriage to Kate. In fact, I think he was Kate's "low rent" dogsbody - or Cinderfella if you will. He did all the grunt work, took care of the kids, ran interference with Kate, and basically took non-stop orders from her. She did NOTHING. NOTHING. The laziest, lamest mom I've ever seen, on tv or elsewhere.

She is useless.

He was a spoiled kid and as a young single guy, didn't appear to have much ambition. But he did work hard during that marriage. Being married to Kate for 10 years was HARD WORK.

Snow Globe said...

F/A stick together too said...

Kate and 8 kids x 4 4 oz is 36...so if anyone can pull anything off, Kate can. Been griffting for years.

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I'm confused. Over on the other thread, "FA's stick together" gave a report of the flight. Apparently this was told to this poster by another person because FA said that he/she would reveal the source later. This was followed by a post by "FA stick together too" saying that she was misunderstood in the previous post (about brushing the kids' teeth). The ID was different from the first one. Similar, but different.


Now "FA stick together too" posts again with the following:

"Who cares, the F/A is trying to tell us how a dame like that witch flys with 8 kids, 2 or 3 nannies, her boyfriend"

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What F/A?


"he picks up that stuff at drugstores or when he arrives at his hotel. He is a pilot. They just try not make more problems for themselves. As for psgrs trying to have everything, that "he terms she may not need".....it will be that way forever."

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What does this mean?

Are these posters the same person?

Shoe Queen said...

In regards to the dog, the person here who claims to be from the neighborhood could easily verify whether the dog is tethered outside. We shall see if that is the case.

dustilies said...

Been away on a family vacay to the Las Vegas of the South--Pigeon Forge, TN.

So many interesting threads going . . .

On drugging self and children on long trans-Pacific flights: I travel regularly to China, sometimes alone for work, sometimes with my young kids and husband.

If I/we are arriving at, say, midnight China time, I work hard to keep us all AWAKE so that we can get onto China time (12 hrs difference) sooner. In my experience, it takes the kids 5 days to turn their body clocks around on the way to China, and almost twice as long on the return to the East coast of the US. So I think the kids will be an exhausted mess for at least another school week after they get home.

So, if I/we are arriving at 7 am China time, do we knock ourselves out for the long night over the Pacific? Not in our family. What would happen if one of us had a dangerous reaction? Even sleepeating would be horribly embarrassing. Seriously, what if there was a need for an emergency landing? (I've never quite understood why anxious flyers drink a lot before flying, or pop a sleeping pill--if they think the plane will crash, don't they want all their wits about them?)

It bothers me that the Gosselin kids can't be relied on to co-operate and support each other at this age. Video games, coloring books, storybooks, chapter books for the twins, even audiobooks--it isn't that hard. The idea that KG drugs them tells me she a) doesn't enjoy their company at all and b) they don't get along with each other. I feel that their only hope of normalcy rests in organizing themselves as a mutual admiration society--but KG works very hard at dividing them against each other.

In The Doghouse said...

In regards to the dog, the person here who claims to be from the neighborhood could easily verify whether the dog is tethered outside.

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Not if you can't see that section of the house from the road; or, even if you could see that part of the house, the dog could be sleeping inside his doghouse when that person drives by! Isn't the doghouse supposed to be heated? It would make sense that the dog would be inside the house, trying to stay warm.

Alligator Alli said...

crazy bed bug said ...

"All of the was handled before a Judge in Sept. Answers were received that month.
No one has gone into court to request another suspension of travel or filming. this is all connected to first hearing in Sept 2010."

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What is your source? It's documented that Jon was in court in mid October and late November. Why would you post this as fact? The dates of his court hearings can be found online.

Mystical said...

I appreciate your info, F/A's Stick Together. For years many of us have wondered why no one ever stepped-up to report their experiences with Kate.

I see more and more are doing so, and it's about time. Thanks again.

MomIAm said...

One of the things that quickly turned me off the show was when I noticed how hard Jon worked and how Kate whined and sat around. She would often be in Jon's face about needing help with the kids while he was actually working. If he did something with the kids, she was always critical.

I would like to see him on DWTS, but I would also bet that she would interfere somehow.

I doubt if the people on The View and some others in the media ever watched the show. If they did, I don't see how they would have been so supportive of her.

The Blame Game said...

I remember when Jon put all those beds together and she never even handed him a screwdriver or held an end for him and then I think this was the time after the kids were in bed she wanted him to then rearrange their bedroom so the camera couldn't see the bed was unmade. He said it is 11:00, I'm exhausted and I am not doing it to that effect.

Hippie Chick said...

Nobody knows who Kate is in Australia. And nobody cares.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/kate-plus-8-through-the-gate/comments-e6frfmqr-1225979242222

Shoe Queen said...

Not if you can't see that section of the house from the road; or, even if you could see that part of the house, the dog could be sleeping inside his doghouse when that person drives by! Isn't the doghouse supposed to be heated? It would make sense that the dog would be inside the house, trying to stay warm.
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If you had gone there on more than one occasion or during the day, the dog would likely be outside barking. If a dog is chained outside long enough, they are going to be barking like crazy. It's not believable that the dog is going to be in the dog house the entire time. If someone claims to have seen him out there, it could be easily verified. How did that other person see him? Obviously from the road.

K8. Fan. said...

About Jon: I do also believe his occupation requires a college degree. That takes hard work and commitment.

About the drugging on the plane:
I took my 1 year old on a flight in 2003. And I will admit I gave him benadryl. I gave it to him the night before to make sure of how he would react. And he was fine. So I gave it to him right before boarding. If i was going to travel with a 12-24 month old again, i would probably do it again.. If I were to travel with my kids now, though, I wouldn't drug them. They are now 4,6,&8. They are old enough that I can find things for them to do. And on a 20 hour flight, they'd
probably sleep half of it naturally anyhow.

In The Doghouse said...

How did that other person see him? Obviously from the road.

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We don't know that anyone did see him because the story wasn't validated! There are quite a few who believe that this was a story planted to see what kind of reaction would ensue.

A dog WOULD be in the doghouse much of the time with temps in the teens and low 20s, especially if the house was heated.

cpmomm said...

The previews for The View says that they are going to discuss why Kate Gosselins children are angry. Here we go again. I hope Jon ducks, I can see she will be throwing the s*it ad blaming him no doubt.

Shoe Queen said...

How did that other person see him? Obviously from the road.

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We don't know that anyone did see him because the story wasn't validated! There are quite a few who believe that this was a story planted to see what kind of reaction would ensue.
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None of the stories about the kids from "insiders" here have actually been verified! But that has not stopped school "insiders" from claiming the kids are loved and adored by all, have never ever been bullied by anyone, etc, etc. This is no different. It's actually much more believable that the dog is left out than the kids never had a hard time at their school just because it's an expensive school. I hope someone credible checks up on this claim about the dog.

Bobble Head said...

K8STFU said...
She's Exhausted !,
I remember that episode clearly.

K8 kept whining and repeatedly asked Jon when he was going to come back (from picking up the van).

I don't know how he put up with her for 10 years, I really don't.

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That was one of the good times when Jon was assertive and stood his ground. He didn't do her bidding.

There were a few other good times too, but she finally beat him down and he was at her beck and call ALWAYS.

K8. Fan. said...

You know. After reading my last post again. I don't agree with it. I think if I had the chance to fly with a 1 year old again I would NOT give him benedryl. I am a more experienced mom now, as well as quite a bit older and more mature and definitely a lot more patient and calm than I was back then. Anyways. I just wanted to say that I recant my prev statement. It's really been bothering me that I said that without really thinking about it.

Brummygirl said...

It is just my opinion, but I think it is terrible to drug children. Kate's excuse for not having to deal with her children and disturb her sleep.
My girls have been with us all over the world since they were young and never would I do that.

K8. Fan. said...

I am interested in what the ladies on "the view" will say. If anyone watches can u please give us a recap? Thanks :)

Proud Grandma said...

K8. Fan. said...
I am interested in what the ladies on "the view" will say. If anyone watches can u please give us a recap? Thanks :)

************ Its a repeat show from before Christmas, on second day of Hannuka. (sorry if I spelled that incorrectly).

h84k8 said...

K8. Fan. said...
About Jon: I do also believe his occupation requires a college degree. That takes hard work and commitment.


Jon does not have a college degree.

In The Doghouse said...

None of the stories about the kids from "insiders" here have actually been verified! But that has not stopped school "insiders" from claiming the kids are loved and adored by all, have never ever been bullied by anyone, etc, etc. This is no different."

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I disagree. This is very different. None of the stories about the kids at school has been verified, but this story involves the mistreatment and neglect of a dog. There have been insiders reporting on the school stories, on stories about flights, etc., but these can be taken with a grain of salt and don't involve a potential problem that could be immediately correctable. The stories about Kate snoring on an airplane can be dismissed without consequences to anyone.

In the case of a dog, this story could have been put out there just for the purpose of infuriating animal rights groups.

Regardless of whether it was a "plant" or not, it is better to be safe than sorry and the treatment of this dog must be looked into. According to another blog, the police were notified and they promised to check on the dog.

I don't know if we'll ever hear again from the person who made the initial claim. If not, it's probably a sure bet that this was "insider" information that turned out to be anything but.

K8. Fan. said...

Wow. I didn't know he didn't have a degree. How did him and Kate have these awesome great paying jobs to be able to afford what ever they wanted for the twins and IVF treatments and whatever else.... and no college degrees?!?!?! My husband wants to be a computer tech and has to at least get a certification before anyone will even touch him. He decided to just go for his Associates, its really not that mych more work, so he's doing college now, at 32 with 3 kids, while working full time. I am working towards my AAS in nursing. It's HARD work. Especially while trying to raise a family. I thought they had both gone to and finished college before they got married. I mean, they never SAID they did, but when Jon says he is an IT Tech and Kate says she's a nurse, I guess I kinda just assumed.

mama san said...

If Jon took the course with Microsoft and was certified, I can testify that MS runs an intense hi-tech course. My grandson got his certification. Plus, it is expensive $20,000 unless they test you and give you a scholarship.

Tami said...

I had never seen the View that was on today where they discussed the kids and the expulsion. They are so lame. Even though Joy seems to know better by now about the greed, she still nods and agrees with Sherri when Sherri says the ONLY way Kate can support the 8 is with a reality show. Their opinions are so weak and wishy-washy. They are either all dumb or are afraid to really stand their ground on anything related to the Gosselins.

On the other topic being discussed--I flew many times with small kids and never considered drugging them. I would be afraid to drug for no reason because all the medical studies now say even cold medications are not recommended for young children because of the potential for harm. Yet people do it all the time. If I drugged just to make my kids more manageable, I'd be doing it 24/7 because I have some high maintenance kids. I don't agree with it though. It seems so Casey Anthony to me.

JP said...

Once an attorney... I often wonder if you are an attorney. Never met anyone who said they were once an attorney as law school graduates are all attorneys with a J.P. The license to practice, in whichever states is passing the Bar of that state but does not take away you having a JP from law school, if one graduates successfully.

We can all pontificate about Kate. The facts are that no one knows anything as know one has seen the contracts.

Yet, Jon did say that he shut down filming when the kids' work permits expired. He did successfully fight TLC to bar filming of the divorce drama. He did shut down filming and that was ordered by the Judge. Then we had K+8 and Twist of Kate/or Kate's own production company.

When did these two appear? While she was doing DWTS, she announced during the show that she did have "signed, done deal for 2 shows" to ROL. Yep, she did say that. Signed deal.

So somewhere Jon was successful in ending some of the filming......but not all of it. His first contract that binded the kids to work on K+8 was sanctioned by a Judge, whether in Md or Pa or whomever knows can say.

Did Jon's bad behavior during the separation have anything to do with Kate requesting the use of the kids on K+8? We do not know that.

But Jon had his day in court with elimination of the divorce proceedings form TV. How Kate got the K+8 with the kids as "specials" was apparently something that was either in the first and original contract as TLC was very smart having Kate & Jon sign without an attorney.

They have both admitted, see you tube, that they were so anxious to get that money they signed without an attorney.

So, Once an attorney.....something did happen that took the show KJ+8 off the air and put K+8 and specials on the air.

On the Today show, where she divulges that "yes, the kids have to be tutored along with the school to get them back to school" and what ever else she said with that false face, lying tongue, she also said that Twist of Kate was being tweaked............

Whatever. This is all too much. But Once an attorney....I am an attorney.

Yes, Judges can suspend filming, yes, they can. Can they void a contract, no. Something horrendous would have to occur. Judges perform the duties of the Commonwealth of PA, walk a fine line as law is not black and white but very gray, as you probably once knew.

What happened to the other 6 that causes them to be out of school another week or so? Nothing that we heard of. The 2 at home, did their counselor, the school or someone assure the Judge, they kids were progressing?

Who does know that? Jon does.

mindy said...

"K8. Fan. said...

Wow. I didn't know he didn't have a degree. How did him and Kate have these awesome great paying jobs to be able to afford what ever they wanted for the twins and IVF treatments and whatever else.... and no college degrees?!?!?!"


Jon's dad was rich.

K8STFU said...

There were a few other good times too

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One of the BEST moments was when Jon told K8 to take the stick out of her butt. Not something I normally condone but as we all know, Jon rarely stood up for himself when he totally deserved to. And Jon did apologize - K8 has NEVER apologized for any of her behavior.

h84k8 said...

K8. Fan. said...
Wow. I didn't know he didn't have a degree. How did him and Kate have these awesome great paying jobs to be able to afford what ever they wanted for the twins and IVF treatments and whatever else.... and no college degrees?!?!?!


Who said they had awesome paying jobs? lol
Kate holds an RN license via a nursing school certificate (not BA or BS) from the Reading Hospital and Medical Center School of Nursing and Jon has a high school degree. IDK where or how Jon received his training for the IT industry.

h84k8 said...

K8. Fan,

I commend you for going back to school and pursuing a career in nursing and your husband in IT. It's not easy when you're in your 30's with a family, but I think you'll both find your hard work rewarded with fulfilling careers in vital industries.

Good luck to both of you!

Anonymous said...

The film crew will have to round up Kate fans, as in explain who she is, bribe them to appear on camera, promise them swag, etc, and that is how they will pretend she has a fan base there. She must feel like crap when she sees her reality - people not showing up for the book signings, horrible book sales, everthing she touches flops. If not for the trainwreck factor she would not be infamous.

Jane in California said...

My remembrance is that Jon was working for a local firm at the time Kate and he had the twins. I don't know what he did for that firm (sales? some low level accounting position? No idea whatsoever). Then when he used company time and resources to try to promote and obtain lucrative deals based on having sextuplets, he got canned from that job.

After having the sextuplets, he got a job doing the IT tech stuff - and I think it was for either a local or state agency. I figured that the state gave him a job based on the publicity and initial good will generated by the Gosselin's media blitz about having sextuplets. Maybe they provided him with on-the-job training. However it happened, he did hold that job until Kate and TLC pressured him to quit and become a stay-at-home dad, thereby allowing Kate to travel with her bestest body guard while only accepting phone calls from home if it were an emergency. (How any moms can remain fans of Kate's after learning this particular nugget if info is beyond me. What mom with natural love for her children would say, "don't call me unless it's an emergency!"?)

As to how they afforded the costly infertility treatments, I do believe Jon's father paid for that, along with helping to support them up until his death.

MSFR said...

I'm sorry but I don't believe Jon has changed. I think the only reason he gambled some of his remaining money to go to court was because if he had won, it would have put him in a position of leverage over TLC. I believe Jon is and always will be at heart a lazy slacker looking for a way to make money without having to work.
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I'm disagree wholeheartedly. Anyone who has watched even just a few episodes has seen Jon bathe, dress, hug, and love his children know he's anything but lazy when it comes to their care. I could barely summon the energy at times to dress my two girls who are ten months apart, and I couldn't imagine keeping up and keeping going the way he did. And I didn't have a nasty spouse yelling at me all the while!

Kia Ora said...

IMHO the best thing Jon ever said to her was "take the stick out Kate", Which was so true, but if I remember right, she made him apologize. That made me crinch at the time, that he apologized to that dictator, and I knew she had him around her big fat finger and Flinstone toe.

K8. Fan. said...

Thanks h84k8.
I remember Kate commenting on how when they had the twins, they could afford to give them whatever they wanted and not even really think twice about if, but that now, with 6 more it's so much harder. I guess I just figured they were making really good money, with being an IT and a nurse, and they had to sacrifice that so Kate could stay home with the (now 8) kids. I mean, her staying home, I imagine, probably wasn't really 100% by choice. Who can afford daycare for 8 kids?!?!?! That would cost more than she even makes!!
I guess what I'm saying is that, Kate leaves a lot of things to be assumed. She doesn't necessarily "lie" persay, but implies, and untruths are assumed. I don't know. Maybe I am just a naive simpleton. But in my opinion she kind of just gives the info that makes her look good and let's people come to their own conclusions. Then she can always say "I never said that". It just seems she paints a very different picture.

Berks Has Shoes! said...

"The 2 at home, did their counselor, the school or someone assure the Judge, they kids were progressing?"

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Why would they have to? Compulsory school attendance is age eight. They are not required to be in school.


"Yes, Judges can suspend filming, yes, they can. Can they void a contract, no. Something horrendous would have to occur."

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Who said that judges couldn't suspend filming? The assertion was that the reason the judge sanctioned the trip to Australia was not because he approved or disapproved of filming, but because the kids had to honor their contract that called for them to work.


"Yet, Jon did say that he shut down filming when the kids' work permits expired."

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Jon shut down filming in October of 2009. The kids didn't have work permits then, which was disclosed at the April 2010 hearings. TLC was never fined for this, but promised that work permits would be put in place and they would comply with the DOL ruling. Those permits expired in October 2010.

Cordelia said...

What ever happened with the Korea trip anyway? Did they end up going or not?

boo said...

JP, I am having trouble following your post. Regardless of what contract Jon and Kate signed, the Judge cannot force the children to work. It is my understanding is that he ruled that whether or not the kids could be filmed was a parental decision, and since Jon and Kate disagreed, he was in effect the tie-breaker and ruled that Kate could make that decision and film the kids over Jon's objections. He was a family court judge and was not addressing the contract issues or whether any contract was breached or enforceable.

As to the time when Jon stopped the filming, I recall even Kate saying at the time Jon had the right to do that, implying that under the original contract, both parents had to consent. At some point, Jon agreed to resume the filming, and explained that it was because it would be limited, for "specials." It was assumed that Jon gave this consent in exchange for TLC dropping its lawsuit against Jon (for breaching his contract by accepting pay for non-TLC approved appearances).

Now that the "specials" are so frequent and the kids are exhibiting behavior problems, Jon is again attempting to take the kids off TV. That is my understanding of how they got where they are today.

Am I wrong or missing something?

Leigh Ann said...

I mean, her staying home, I imagine, probably wasn't really 100% by choice. Who can afford daycare for 8 kids?!?!?!
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But being a nurse she could work off-hours, too. Jon could work the traditional weekday hours and Kate could work evenings (if she went in before five they'd need a babysitter for a couple of hours until Jon got home), overnights, weekends. It's not ideal, you don't see a lot of your spouse doing that and sacrifice family time, but a lot of families do it and make it work. You can bring in extra money without having to sink a lot into childcare. But she chose to make money off her kids instead.

Tami said...

I guess I just figured they were making really good money, with being an IT and a nurse, and they had to sacrifice that so Kate could stay home with the (now 8) kids. I mean, her staying home, I imagine, probably wasn't really 100% by choice. Who can afford daycare for 8 kids?!?!?! That would cost more than she even makes!!

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There was always part time. Or they could have worked opposing shifts so one could always be with the kids. Jon could have worked from home while she worked part time, etc. There were lots of choices. Now everyone just says she had to have the reality show or they never could have made it. How do so many other large families make it? Obviously not in the lifestyle that could ever satisfy Kate!

One thing is for sure: Anyone saying Jon was a lazy slacker wasn't watching the same show most people were! The only lazy slacker is the one who is still making her living off them.

The Blame Game said...

In MB she said he went back to school and got IT certification from Microsoft which would have made his pay grade higher. I think she said she was against at first but it was worth it in the end. He is a highly qualified IT tech.

The Blame Gamed said...

Others are able to do it because they have family. Khate had removed not only her family, but Jon's family as well after his father died. She never ostracized his dad. He was very involved. She would sit at the counter and cry over bills every time he came over and he would say Kate whatever it is I will take care of it and she would still go into the churches and cry to the volunteers, that they weren't going to make it. The volunteers not only worked for free but contributed as well at a great sacrifice to themselves I am sure. As soon as she had enough money she got rid of them as well most of whom had nurtured the kids from the beginning and loved them very much. I will never forget the piles and piles of clothes that she would have waiting for Nana Janet (?}, that had been in the baskets for days you could tell. The woman would sit and fold them all very patiently with the kids gathered all around her, and Khate never picked up so much as a rag to help her, disgusting vile wretched woman.

K8STFU said...

K8. Fan -

Also, don't forget that Jon and K8 received TONS of freebies and gifts ( from corporations, friends and complete strangers who wanted to help) and had an army of wonderful people helping them.

IIRC, they were gifted crazy amounts of GC's , free haircuts until the tups were 5, free dental care through Jon's Dad's office, and then the the gear and clothing. Too bad K8 was such an ingrate even way back then and refused clothing if they weren't new, refused the donated cribs because they did not match, etc. I think the only thing that wasn't donated despite their "request" on their website was a 15 passenger van.

Jon and K8 were in a crazy situation, but with all the freebies and help, they were much better off financially than many families with less children.

Anonymous said...

Around Australia on New Years Day the temperature dropped about 10 degrees instantly, at least now I know why, the Ice Queen arrived.


I really hope the kids do get to have some fun experiences while they are here though but I fear it is unlikely. Also it's not the best time of year to come, a lot of rain and humidity in the top end, stingers in the water and right now we have extreme flooding in QLD but I guess it will give Kate something (else) to whinge about.

K8STFU said...

One more thing :

Given the discussion at hand, here is a link to a very telling article from over 5 years ago.

Jon and K8 were shameless in their begging from the very beginning.

http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/mother/archives/2005/05/count_your_bles_1.html

At least Jon seems to have changed his attitude and ways. JMO, I think most of the scheming came from Queenie as she sat on her white plastic throne.

Nina said...

Interview with the guy who took the Rocky steps pictures.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/shows/nonstop/EXCLUSIVE__Kate_Gosselin_and_the_Kids_in_Philly_Philadelphia-112814709.html

Brummygirl said...

Kate8.fan. said:

I guess what I'm saying is that, Kate leaves a lot of things to be assumed. She doesn't necessarily "lie" persay, but implies, and untruths are assumed:
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Yes, Kate is good at lying by omission and insinuation! It's about the only talent she has!!

Kia Ora said...

Rocky Step guy needs a medal.Finally someones got some big kahunas.

Once An Attorney said...

JP wrote, "Once an attorney... I often wonder if you are an attorney. Never met anyone who said they were once an attorney as law school graduates are all attorneys with a J.P..."
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That's only half of the moniker. The entire ID would have been "Once An Attorney, Always An Attorney." I didn't know the character maximum for an ID, and it would have looked rather odd to have only three-quarters of it make it through! I apologize that it caused you to "often wonder."

"What happened to the other 6 that causes them to be out of school another week or so? Nothing that we heard of."
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I don't think that anything happened to cause them to be out of school. From what I understand, Kate asked permission for an extended vacation and it was granted, providing they did the assigned homework. Whether they will finish out the year and then transfer to another school in the fall remains to be seen.

"and what ever else she said with that false face, lying tongue, she also said that Twist of Kate was being tweaked"
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Hasn't Twist of Kate been in the tweaking process for so long that it may never see the light of day? Wasn't the premiere supposed to be last fall, then December, then spring of 2011? Has it has been tweaked to oblivion at this point, leaving only a trail of useless rubbish?

"...How Kate got the K+8 with the kids as "specials" was apparently something that was either in the first and original contract as TLC was very smart having Kate & Jon sign without an attorney."
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Didn't many of the points of that original contract appear online when TLC filed its complaint against Jon? I seem to remember reading (in that complaint) that in subsequent contracts Kate and Jon had an attorney, but TLC's complaint failed to mention that the defendant was without representation for the intial contract. It is mind-boggling to me that they didn't have legal representation for that first contract. Even if they were naive and itching for the cash, they should have been advised accordingly. They had friends, and they had family (the operative word here is HAD). Certainly someone would have taken them aside and pointed out the advisability of presenting it to an attorney for review, especially when dealing with an entity such as TLC. "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain" (Rowling) and clearly, K&J trusted TLC but had no idea as to what tricks TLC had up its sleeve.

"While she was doing DWTS, she announced during the show that she did have "signed, done deal for 2 shows" to ROL. Yep, she did say that. Signed deal."
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I'm not one to believe too much of what ROL prints; and I'm certain that most of us know that not everything she says is gospel! Did this confirmation represent the one percent of her verbal spewing that really was the truth? We don't know.

WonderButton said...

JP said.....

*snip*
Once an attorney... I often wonder if you are an attorney. Never met anyone who said they were once an attorney as law school graduates are all attorneys with a J.P.
*snip*

Perhaps once an attorney is retired.

Thinking out loud said...

Thinking Out Loud said...

IDMODO actually wrote the quote below that attributed to me by Worth one more thought.

My comment was below her's and I disagreed with it.
Being new to this blog, I do not have the hang of posting properly. I am working on it and will be sure to credit the source more clearly. I do appreciate the civil manner in which those with differing views express themselves.


Worth one more thought said...
Thinking out loud said:

I think we're being played on the dog issue. Kate and her handlers are not stupid enough to publicly abuse or neglect Shoka.

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Actually this dog has been publicly abused by the children, and at least one child has said on film that "we step on his tail".

So, yes, everybody involved is plenty "stupid enough" and, more importantly, plenty morally challenged enough to have abandoned this dog.

Kate, not her "handlers" or TLC, is the only one responsible for her household.

If you hire household help without adequate checks, or without using a reputable agency, you are very vulnerable if you leave for weeks at a time.

Think about it. Even if you hire a pet sitter, and something happens to that person while you're out of the country for two weeks, you might very well come back to dead animals - unless your sitter has a good back-up system in place.

How many people ask their pet sitters what sort of back up they have in case of an accident or family emergency? Do you actually think Kate is one of those people?

If a PO'd 20 year old employee decided to walk off the job while Kate is down under, the dog might very well be in jeopardy.

This is a rumor that's worth checking out (and, according to another site, IS probably being checked out) as a dog's life may be at stake.

Better safe than sorry, and better to check this one out than let it slide, even if it is from a troll.

1/02/2011 4:16 PM
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Living it up in Alaska said...

k8stfu...I could be completely wrong but I thought I read somewhere that she was offered a maroon van but didn't like the color and either denied that one or traded it in on the blue one. Again, I remember reading this somewhere but can't remember. Maybe one of the other posters could locate the facts.

Philadelphia Worker said...

So the Reading Eagle pulled that site off about the grifters.

I understand JP. And if he/she knows what she/he is talking about, I understand it. It is a contract.

The kids do or do not want to be on TV? Obviously they do, as if they did not, why isn't Jon presenting documentation saying that specific children(names of the children) do not want to be on TV. No, it isn't happening.

So, I think JP has a real point. Why would the Judge void the contract if there is nothing from the kids saying "we don't want to do this".......so I doubt those kids would rather be in school.

Even Philly chat said that what I saw happening at the Art Museum is correct. Yet, no one believed me. I could have told you all so much more, but I wanted to see how you reacted as my friend told me that you would all want to hear it. She is nuts and it so shows.
One of the kids fell and Kate was on the phone and didn't even notice. No one who saw her filming those 2 days in Phila had anything kind to say of Kate. Not a word of friendliness came from her. She does not pay attention to the children. A babysitter/nanny does everything.Just like I told you all.

To tell you all how I feel? She is a Diva, a self made Diva and she will get everything she wants forever.

When the kids don't make $$$ anymore, Jon will get the kids. That seems practical in her Diva mind.

I'll bet she is so sorry she had those kids, except the $$$ is there.

I did see how you yelled at them and how she had them repeat their running up the steps, which are rather wide steps. I also say the camera behind her and the kids looking up at her from 2 or 3 stops below, to make her look tall or them to look tiny small, they camera being behind her, shooting the kid's faces and she was mouthing words....yes, she has that scripted and when she is holding her hair? She is holding the earpiece in her ear. Yep.

Funny, but I don't think that Kate will miss her kids, but she will miss Steve. Yes, I do feel that woman is a cold hearted person and there is no one, no one who will ever, ever offend her. No way. She has no heart and no soul.

By the way, a friend who works at one of the places where the kids and she and her entourage ate (that protects my friends) and they tried to write a post and it wasn't listed but the kids did demand, never said please, thank you and she and Steve sat by themselves ignoring the kids. Yes. that is true but she will get in trouble.

We spend our time reading the posts, responding to the posts, disagreeing with the posts.

See, a confidentiality agreement is signed for everyone or anyplace that the filming is done in. So, you do not see her with her kids except when filming, then confidentiality agreements are signed. Read what phillychat.com said. Reading Terminal, Constitution Center, Waterworks Restaurant, Flyers Game/arena...every place she went to had to sign that confidentiality agreement written by TLC, oh yes.

TLC loves this sight.

Our dreams would come true if Kate would just leave the TV and every media outlet.

Do I wish that Jon would also disappear, yes. Do I know people who deserve some of what Kate had been given/begged for/handed, oh yes.

We are too wrapped up in her and not in the Reality TV and lack of laws.

It is too late for the Gosselins' children and for feeling sorry for Jon or knocking Kate.

Put a fork in it all, it is done.

emptynester said...

JP said.....

Once an attorney... I often wonder if you are an attorney. Never met anyone who said they were once an attorney as law school graduates are all attorneys with a J.P.

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Most attorneys I know have a J.D. after their name - not J.P. JD=Juris Doctor

Pattypanda said...

Nina - the link isn't working. What did the interview have to say?

expat said...

Can someone give a synopsis of the nbc philly video of the guy who took the pictures on the "rocky steps"? I'm in Canada, and the video won't play here, darnit.
Many thanks in advance.

K8. Fan. said...

When I said that Kate quitting her job probably wasn't 100% by choice and who could afford daycare for 8 kids at once I didn't mean it to sound like a reason why they had to do reality TV. they couldn't survived just fine on John's salary and her doing the Saturdays at the dialysis clinic IF she wasnt so unrealistic. They couldn't stayed in the smaller house, or even the elizabethtown house and lived frugally until the kids started school and Kate could have gone back to work. Maybe even as a school nurse or something.
But that wouldn't be "good enough" for her.
Ya know, I've got 3 kids, my hubby works full time and goes to school. I stay home with my kids and do school online. We have one USED car we paid cash for with our tax return, we have NO credit cards. I rarely pay for my kids clothes, and when I do they are second hand, none of them had new cribs or new carseats, I do their haircuts myself, I get my hair cut at the beauty school, and I use a LOT of coupons. We get by, and I wouldn't have it any other way. My husband and I agreed long ago that if we could manage, I would stay home and our kids would not go to daycare. That was a choice we made. Jon and Kate could have made the same choice. I am sure his IT job paid pretty well. But it was never GOOD ENOUGH. Jon was never good enough, nobody was ever good enough, and someday her kids won't be good enough, when REALLY IT'S KATE THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!! She is the one that's missing out, not everyone else.

Once An Attorney said...

JP wrote, "Once an attorney... I often wonder if you are an attorney. Never met anyone who said they were once an attorney as law school graduates are all attorneys with a J.P..."
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That's only half of the moniker. The entire ID would have been "Once An Attorney, Always An Attorney." I didn't know the character maximum for an ID, and it would have looked rather odd to have only three-quarters of it make it through! I apologize that it caused you to "often wonder."

"What happened to the other 6 that causes them to be out of school another week or so? Nothing that we heard of."
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From what I understand, Kate asked permission for an extended vacation and it was granted, providing they did the assigned homework. Whether they will finish out the year and then transfer to another school in the fall remains to be seen.

"and what ever else she said with that false face, lying tongue, she also said that Twist of Kate was being tweaked"
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Hasn't Twist of Kate been in the tweaking process for so long that it may never see the light of day? Wasn't the premiere supposed to be last fall, then December, then spring of 2011? Has it has been tweaked to oblivion at this point, leaving only a trail of useless rubbish?

"...How Kate got the K+8 with the kids as "specials" was apparently something that was either in the first and original contract as TLC was very smart having Kate & Jon sign without an attorney."
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Didn't many of the points of that original contract appear online when TLC filed its complaint against Jon? I seem to remember reading (in that complaint) that in subsequent contracts Kate and Jon had an attorney, but TLC's complaint failed to mention that the defendant was without representation for the intial contract. It is mind-boggling to me that they didn't have legal representation for that first contract. Even if they were naive and itching for the cash, they should have been advised accordingly. They had friends, and they had family. Certainly someone would have taken them aside and pointed out the advisability of presenting it to an attorney for review, especially when dealing with an entity such as TLC. "Never trust anything that can think for itself if you can't see where it keeps its brain" (Rowling), but K&J trusted TLC, never suspecting that TLC might have some tricks up their sleeves.

"While she was doing DWTS, she announced during the show that she did have "signed, done deal for 2 shows" to ROL. Yep, she did say that. Signed deal."
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I'm not one to believe too much of what ROL prints; and I'm certain that most of us know that not everything she says is gospel! Did this confirmation represent the one percent of her verbal spewing that really was the truth? We don't know.

K8. Fan. said...

K8STFU said: "I think the only thing that wasn't donated despite their "request" on their website was a 15 passenger van."

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I think their van was donated... Wasn't it? Oh but it's a 10 passenger van, not 15. Silenced she settled for that measly blue van. She should have held out for something better.
OMG SHE IS A VILE REPULSIVE UGLY-HEARTED WOMAN!!!!!!!!! Poor kids, poor Jon.

Nina said...

I'm sorry the link doesn't work for everyone. I copied it and pasted it in a new browser window and it worked fine for me.

just wondering said...

This is completely random, but I was wondering...

-Does anyone know if Kate is heckled in public? Given the negative public sentiment in general, I wonder if people yell things to her or laugh at her as she parades around dressed like a hooker/parking illegally/demanding special treatment/calling the paparazzo and feigning irritation with the attention/being mean to her kids/abusing freebies??

-How come none of the tups have missing baby teeth? They're almost 7. I'd imagine they'd look like a bunch of jack o lanterns by now. Are they wearing flippers?

Honestly,hmm ironicly, said...

Could someone tell me how the judge makes the kids film? They film, they do what their mother wants, maybe mady argues but the kids smile, look down or they film, laugh, don't pay too much attention to kate until sche screams.

Never heard the kids say I don't want to do this. Did Mady do that in Alaska? ?Did someone hear her? Did she tell her father she was shaken by her mother?

How can the judge make a decision if the poor orphans go along with the mother.

too upsetting.

we can't blame the judge, we have to blame kate, jon and tlc and that is it.

fidosmommy said...

K8. Fan. said...
K8STFU said: "I think the only thing that wasn't donated despite their "request" on their website was a 15 passenger van."

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I think their van was donated... Wasn't it? Oh but it's a 10 passenger van, not 15.

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There was also something about the color of the donated van that irked Kate (IIRC). It was maroon and she didn't like maroon.

Somebody with a better memory than mine might remember this - or straighten me out on it.

K8STFU said...

Living it up in AK and K8 Fan,

Both of your comments do jog my memory and I vaguely remember something "maroon-ish". I am almost positive , though, that Jon and K8 mentioned on their website that they went ahead and purchased a van themselves. I could be wrong.

K8. Fan, just curious, NO SNARK intended, really : you have obviously seen the light but were once a fan. What was the "aha!" moment when you realized K8 ain't all that great?

Personally, I was never a "fan" per se but I was intrigued by this very unusual family dynamic. My WTF? moment was when K8 put a very ill and feverish Joel on the laundry room floor. I did some research, found GWOP and the rest is history.

ashamom said...

They could have easily made it on one salary! My DH and I have 9 kids and we choose to live within our means so I can stay home. Their old house was actually bigger then the house we live in.
And I don't regard myself as a martyr,nor a saint; we CHOSE this life!

K8. Fan. said...

K8STFU:
I have a hard time seeing negative in people and criticizing people. My husband always gives me a hard time because I seemingly see the world through rose colored glasses. I am not a stupid person by any means, I am however pretty naive and very gullible. That being said, I took the show for face value. A young couple dealing the best they could while struggling to raise 8 healthy children. I actually found out about GwoP from a comment someone made in BM's site. I came on here and you ladies started peeling back the layers. I think what really GOT me was that I realized I HAD BEEN DUPED!!!!!! all this time I watched J&K for encouragement, motivation, etc. When I realized recently, from you all, that all that glitters isnt gold. That she's had help all along, that they really weren't ever truly struggling, that it was all a sham, that made me ANGRY!!!! I felt foolish and taken advantage of. Almost betrayed (I hope that doesn't make me sound looney.) I was a die hard J&K fan. I watched rerun after rerun every day. I even cried when I found out about the divorce. It was like, I had let this family into my living room, into my daily life, and it was all a LIE. It was ALMOST (but not quite) felt like a friend had lied to me. All the people that sent those kids gifts on holidays, sent money, or "love offerings" had been jipped!!! That made me angry!!!! I am really big on living by the rules, THE GOLDEN RULE most importantly. You just don't take advantage of people like that!!!! So I think that's probably what pushed me over to the "dark side". Lol. There are many other things about this woman that make me angry, but I think that was the "biggie" for me.

Snow Globe said...

Philadelphia Worker:

All those at the Flyers game had to sign CAs? I guess TLC has longer arms than we thought! How does TLC decide who must sign one?

Ask you friend at the restaurant if the work permits were posted there (as required by the child labor laws).

Sobby McFibberpants said...

Leigh Ann said...

what is bothering me is the whole why of it. Why Australia? Why now?

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Maybe she is there to sell that cookbook of "hers". Maybe Steve is not the bodyguard after all. I bet he is the secret chef. With his Aussie knowledge, all of the plagiarized recipes have been modified. Monkey Munch is now Kangaroo Crunch, Grandmawl soup is now Down Under stew! I bet he holds that purse because it is filled with the secret recipes!

On a serious note, the people of Australia are in the middle of horrible flooding. Some have lost their lives. They need prayers, not Gosselins. With all of that going on, no one will even know she is there. I am sure that Kate feels upstaged by mother nature. Being ignored is her worst nightmare.

so sick of her said...

To: K8SRFU: you are welcome here. But, remember we are not the dark side. I think of this site as the enlighten side. The bright side. The REAL reality side. Not the crap that TLC/Kate and the rest of the Sheeples still believe. Don't feel ashame, I think a lot of people here were also duped by Kate. I too watch the show, to see how someone handles multis. When Kate started the Sonny & Cher/Donny & Marie act, it was OK, one or two times, then it was annoying/hurtful/not funny. I know we all take a little ribbing, now & then, but Kate, it was 24/7. You can not have a marriage last long with that kind of abuse. Cause, it sometimes turns violent. Love taps, are BS, everyone out there, don't allow love taps or verbal abuse, it can/has lead to violence. Only you can stop this. Kate, takes it out on the kids/and anyone who disagrees with her now. I watch the video, The jumped up paps, was saying what other said weeks ago. Perhaps, he was told to put this on now, while Kate is in Aussie, too keep her in the media. I too had read that a reporter guy from one of the TV stations there in PA, back a couple of weeks ago, was there. So, this is not new news, just contained news, to put out while Kate is gone. Kate Aussie trip has been uneventful, geez, all the other trips had pics, articles etc, now nothing? I also read that Kate & company were at the Sydney airport, after the beach. Whats the matter Kate, not as popular as you thought you were?

CakeIsGreat said...

I wonder if all the Flooding in Australia could effect any of the planned trips? Ok, I don't know where Queensland is in terms of where Sydney is (and I know its a huge continent), or if there is even anything they might want to see/do in the area that would have to be cut from the plans. I wonder if Kh8 knew there was serious problems? NZ is still feeling after shocks from a very strong Quake months ago. I think one happened a week ago, fairly strong. Does she know that, either? Now, bad weather, and the chance of feeling aftershocks, is the risk you take when you go to certain places. Not saying she's a bad mother for taking them their despite that. Not at all. I'd just love to know if she's aware of it. You know she's going to blabber on about how she's always been "so interested" in these place. She isn't interested in anything but herself.

God willing, the flood areas will not be subjected to a "very special episode of Kate helping out", those people are suffering enough. I would not put it past TLC at all to try and take advantage of such a situation and try and manage something along those lines.

Jon needs to get a better lawyer. This should have never been allowed! They have a right to go for work? Hasn't it been made clear this "work" is harming them in all non-filming aspects of life? Two kids get kicked out of school, unable to behave in a school setting. The answer is to allow them to "go to work" rather than stay here and work on their issues? How are the other 4 suppose to know how to function properly in a school setting if they can be pulled out at any time to "Work". Mady and Cara are at the ages when they have hard work to keep up with, and, they are probably the most socialized of the kids so they are missing out on the day-to-day goings on of their group of friends in order to make mommy money, as she without a doubt will make them miserable. If they keep missing school they are set up to fall behind, and, end up feeling like outsiders amongst their own friends. If that hasn't happened already. No one should have the "right" to condemn these kids to that. I am baffled to how this Judge came to his conclusion. It even violated Jon's visitation days, on top of everything else!

Never again Kate claim your kids are doing what they would normally do anyway. Yeah, you've been caught in this one before, but now it's documented you altered your Childrens New Years Day plans so they can work. Just try and get your away around that one.

mama san said...

Yes,what happened to baby teeth? I would love to hear Kate's response to that question. There could have been an episode on the Tooth Fairy. Oops, forgot there is no Santa so no Tooth Fairy.

K8STFU said...

K8. Fan, thank you for your honesty. FWIW, trying to only see the good in people is a great quality to have. I am not quite so tolerant or nice, LOL That said, I do try to live my life as a good person and following The Golden Rule. K8 is not a good person, she has a black heart and no soul.

I think many people feel the same way that you do - NOBODY LIKES A LIAR. Especially when it involves causing irreparable damage to children.

Grain Of Salt said...

Reading Terminal, Constitution Center, Waterworks Restaurant, Flyers Game/arena...every place she went to had to sign that confidentiality agreement written by TLC, oh yes

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Confidentiality agreements written by TLC DID NOT have to be signed every place that she went -- ONLY those places where filming took place.

Hippie Chick said...

K8STFU...
I have never seen that article before. I'm floored with the comments. They have been sticking their hand out for THIS long?? This is crazy. And people still haven't caught on to Kate?? She thinks since whomever LET her get IVF or IUD or whatever the hell she got, that she WAS OWED A NURSE AND 24 HOUR CARE FOR HER KIDS?? (sorry for yelling) They were praying for a 15 passenger van? Seriously?? Did they get it? Volunteers redecorated their house & she whined & moaned the whole time? WTF? I'm speechless. She has been a grifting, taking, me me me, IT'S ALL ABOUT ME, since day one. I had no idea. I thought she transformed into a monster because of the show. Those kids had no chance at all...

Kate-go-away said...

A lot of you are looking back at the beginning of J&K plus 8 and pointing out when you first saw through Kate.

Does anyone remember - I think it was the very first special - when they were asked to appear on The Martha Stewart Show? Instead of saying how excited she was to meet Martha or how great it will be to connect with other mothers or something like that she said, "Well, its a free trip to NY and a chance to get out of the house" or something like that. I remember thinking that was strange but I kept watching.

Really started disliking her when she stepped up her hustling - probably around Hawaii.

Charlie Rose said...

Empty Nester is correct. It is JD not JP. :)

Philadelphia Worker said...

Snow Globe, you want me to ask my friend who works at one of the places where the gosselins showed up, whether they posted the confidentiality agreement according to law? Is that a law?

You can check www.phillychat.com or nbctv in philadelphia and Newscaster Pissik who interviewed the Philly Pap, as they both conducted an interview with a local columunist who got calls from people who worked at everyplace the gosselins visited, ate, filmed, stayed at, telling him that the gosselins were there and that there was a confidentiality agreement that was signed before they entered the places. It is on line,

Well, he finally got photos of kate at the museum and he even said how she let her kids fall up the steps but stayed on the phone.Steve was trying to chase him away but he refused to leave a public place and said all I want is a couple of pictures and I'll leave. Steve must have thought no one knew they were there in Philadelphia to film. He also said everyplace they went kate ignored her kids, was with steve, yada,yada and she was just plain miserable. That Philly pap talked to people at every place they were. I like him and he has good and bad to say about celebrities.

So Snow Globe, who said they had to post the confidentiality agreement?

My friend was told "we are under a confidentiality agreement and we will not speak of their visit to anyone as it ruins our visit, possible future filming". Nothing was posted.

Of course, Katie did nothing but ignore everyone so very little to report. Not like Kate bought anyone's lunch or even was approached for an autograph.

We have danny devito all over philadlephia ( he films a tv show here every week) and people yell "yo danny" and he says the same thing back. Jack Nicholson and a blond star Reese Witherspoon and Owen Wilson filmed in the streets, no one said anything, just stood behind lines set up and were quiet while the filming took place.

There is a lot of filming in and around Philadelphia. Kate gosselin and her kids are not a big deal. I mean we see atheletes all the time and if you are working at the airport, you always see celebrities. They are just people and you look and you just go, oh. Thats all.

No, I will say my friend does not work at the flyer's place but nothing else.

Philly pap is on that web site and he talked to a lot of people who saw her in every place she was with the kids. No one said anything nice about her. She is a snob. No one said the kids were out of control either except at the Flyers game, but those boxes are up so high, no one probably can tell who is in them, do ya think? Plus the philly pap said that no one could hear the kids who were all dressed in tee shirts that were too long and Kate just sat there while they filmed. Probably most people there, who paid, didn't even know she was up there with her kids in the sky boxes. Not like she was gonna wave to everyone, ya think?

Do we see a lot of filming or celebrities, yeah, but no one caused a sensation like Kate, cause she isn't liked and she is not friendly or even walks with her kids.


She is no big deal except she likes to cause people to talk, she loves it, she likes being mean. She is not shy, just a snob, stuck up, really stuck up and a crazy color too. Oh yeah, her hair is ugly. She doesn't have the face for that haircut. No, looks like a cow with that haircut. Is she a milk cow or a beef cow?

When I saw them pull up in the Phila Trolley, there were 2 Limo cars. So maybe the filming shows her getting out of the trolley but what wasn't in the filming was the limos, yeah just like Kate, pretending again.

I'm Ready, Mr.DeMille said...

Kate-go-away mentioned the Martha Stewart show, which I saw. The Gosselins sat in the front rows of the audience and were acknowledged by Martha that they were there. The camera focused on them and that was it. It must have paid good for the G's. The first thought that came into my mind was OMG, was it really worth the effort to take all those young kids there? It really was a "DUH" moment, but not the last as far as the G's go.

so sick of her said...

Well, now there are more pics of Kate , in Brisbane, coming off the plane and going through the airport. I just love when sheeple say that everybody is happy and smiling. They do need to get glasses. Cause all the pics I just saw, the only ones smiling are Kate(oh, my God!)and the kid, holding her right hand, and a nanny. The rest look tired and bored. And as for being educational, please, at their ages, in about a week, IF, not reminded by mommie dearest, most kids forget, where they went. If they go on too many trips, they will be lucky if they remember one on them. I watch the Duggars and some of their kids, who are around the same age as Kates, don't always remember what they saw or did or even where they were last. If they do, they get the places mixed up. Knowing Kate and knowable things, good thing she does not homeschool them herself. I see in the pics, not showing the girls, and wearing flats? What happen to that $2000 hair cut, wearing it back? Geez, she does not look 35, more like 45(old made type, who don't care how they look)the tanning is starting to take a toll.

Brummygirl said...

God willing, the flood areas will not be subjected to a "very special episode of Kate helping out", those people are suffering enough. I would not put it past TLC at all to try and take advantage of such a situation and try and manage something along those lines.
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That will never happen, the water contains dangerous snakes, the area flooded is larger than Texas. Queensland is the North Eastern section of Australia, Sydney is in the South East coast in New South Wales.
This is a major disaster and I am sure Kate and her toy crew would not be welcome there. She would run a fake mile rather than get anywhere near a disaster. It would be too icky for her.
After *playing* on the beach, she is probably on her way to N.Z. now.

Can't See Sheep said...

CakeIsGreat said...
Never again Kate claim your kids are doing what they would normally do anyway. Yeah, you've been caught in this one before, but now it's documented you altered your Childrens New Years Day plans so they can work. Just try and get your away around that one.
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Yeah, I don't think the kids would normally skip school & head off to Australia & New Zealand & there just happens to be a film crew there to catch it.

Altering the kid's New Years plans really burns my butt. The kids really do need away time from k8. I'm wondering if she is going to try & find ways of altering the plans of all of Jon's holidays with the children. Yes, I do believe she is that deceitful, vile & selfish. It's not like she's thinking about the kids, they're just her 8 little co-stars now.

Protect8 said...

I really enjoy the legal folks weighing in re: the contracts, etc.. It is an issue of creating laws to protect children from parents who want to exploit them in order to gain fame and fortune. It is my opinion that children should not be allowed on any reality television show - ever.

As for the children telling a judge if they do or don't want to film, never underestimate the power of a narcissistic mother. The primary fear of a young children is abandonment by their mother. And NPD mothers are extremely skillful at utilizing this natural childhood fear. We saw this demonstrated up front and center on the Alaska show when Kate, in a truly wicked way, said to her son, "So you are a Palin now, not a Gosselin." To a child this basically means, "Go live in the wilderness in the woods with bears and I will never see you again." And if Kate could say this right in front of a camera it must be a variation of a common threat she uses.

In a less direct way, we saw Kate throw away Colin's favorite stuffed teddy bear because it had a tiny speck of gum on it. A strong message that she is capable of throwing a loved object into the trash. Powerful and scary stuff to a kid. (Heck, it scared me!)

So these types of threats could easily be used to intimidate the children into saying that they "love" being filmed.

Jon Gosselin really is the only person who can intervene on behalf of his children but he needs a talented, concerned attorney at his side.

K8STFU said...

Hippie:

Unfortunately, many, like you, don't know the history of K8's (and, I hate to say it, Jon's) greed and selfishness. The stories go way back, well before K8 and Jon hit the jackpot with TLC. This article is very telling, IMO. Neighbors and fellow PA-ers had their number from the beginning. If you didn't look at the dates of the negative comments ,they could have been written today because they are still relevant.

I may not be as tolerant as some here, but I really do try to give people the benefit of the doubt. K8 lost any right to having such benefit (from me anyway) due to her continued pathological lying.

Drake said...

Honestly,hmm ironicly, said, "Could someone tell me how the judge makes the kids film?"

The judge isn't making them film; Kate is.

In the U.S., parents have the right to decide what activities their kids will participate in -- and not all parents take their kids' likes and dislikes into consideration when they make such decisions.

For example, some parents force their kids to be in Little League or Scouting, some force them to go to camp, some force them to take music lessons, and some force them to go into acting.

We might not agree with these choices, but we can't interfere with them; decisions on whether a child should be removed from a parent's care are based on other, more serious considerations.

Tami said...

Kate does not even know how to hold hands with her kids. The ROL pics are pathetic. You can tell the contempt she feels for Alexis but halfway tries to hold hands with Hannah. It's more her ALLOWING the kids to hold HER hands. Sort of like how she used to yank their hands up over their head..it's all about her!

Snow Globe said...

So these types of threats could easily be used to intimidate the children into saying that they "love" being filmed.

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You're absolutely correct. If she says to them, "You don't want to stop filming, do you because you know what that means? No more trips, no more fun gifts, and if we stop filming, we'll have to move, etc. etc." She's putting the fear of God into them. If there are those threats and intimidation, what choice do the children have but to say that they don't want to stop filming? They know her, and they know what they would have to live with if they said they don't want to film. It may be that filming is the lesser of two evils because they know the hell that they would go through at home when she's miserable.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Anyone else find all these 'happily playing on the beach' scenarios total bs?

Recalling any beach scenes when Jon was still in the picture, K8G's only contribution was to SIT on the shore and scream criticism at Jon for the way he was playing with the kids in the ocean.

Not ONCE did she ever show any interest in actually playing WITH her kids on the beach - all she EVER seems interested in doing is SITTING there, while the rest of the world, including her kids, revolve around HER.

A woman incapable of enjoying her kids even at Disney World is hopeless.

2011 needs to be the year K8G drops completely off the radar. She has succeeded only in compiling a growing list of things at which she has zero talent - parenting, building positive & lasting interpersonal relationships, authoring, cooking, dancing, hosting/interviewing (anyone except HERSELF - those gems were always such a joke!). The only "IT" factor she possesses is her obvious psych pathologies. Since when is Life in the Psych Ward 'entertainment'?

Snow Globe said...

Snow Globe, you want me to ask my friend who works at one of the places where the gosselins showed up, whether they posted the confidentiality agreement according to law? Is that a law?

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No. You said that your friend works at the restaurant where they ate. You said that TLC makes everyone sign confidentiality agreements everywhere they go, and gave examples, such as the Water Works. I asked you if your friend knew if they posted the WORK PERMITS (NOT CAs) in the restaurant. It is the law that WORK PERMITS must be posted where they filmed.

According to your post, they had to sign CAs everywhere they went, including the restaurant. WHO signed the CA? The staff, the people eating in the restaurant? If they didn't film there, then they didn't need to post the WORK PERMITS. It is totally impossible to get EVERYONE who comes in contact with them to sign an agreement. Think about it. That means that the entire hotel staff, the entire hockey arena, the entire restaurant, including patrons, would have to sign agreements. It doesn't happen. By this reasoning, if you were standing there watching them film at the Art Museum, YOU would have had to sign a CA.

Nobody said that a CA had to be posted. Child labor laws say that the WORK PERMIT that was filed with the PA Department of Labor, must be posted where the kids are working.

"When I saw them pull up in the Phila Trolley, there were 2 Limo cars. So maybe the filming shows her getting out of the trolley but what wasn't in the filming was the limos, yeah just like Kate, pretending again."

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Who is "them" who pulled up in the trolley? You said in your other post that the kids were in the limo and that Kate got out and was talking to them while they were in the limo. Who was in the trolley?

My question is -- how did you get close enough to the limo to hear what Kate was telling the kids who were inside the limo? Didn't Steve tell you to move along?

K8. Fan. said...

SnowGlobe said: "You're absolutely correct. If she says to them, "You don't want to stop filming, do you because you know what that means? No more trips, no more fun gifts, and if we stop filming, we'll have to move, etc. etc." She's putting the fear of God into them. If there are those threats and intimidation, what choice do the children have but to say that they don't want to stop filming? They know her, and they know what they would have to live with if they said they don't want to film. It may be that filming is the lesser of two evils because they know the hell that they would go through at home when she's miserable."
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You forgot to mention that the only time they seem to even get attention/love/affection (at least HER version) from her is when they are filming. Otherwise she isn't even barely at home. Even acting out and getting suspended didn't get her attention. A lot of kids act out for attention. Apparently THAT didn't even work in this case.

K8. Fan. said...

"there are those threats and intimidation, what choice do the children have but to say that they don't want to stop filming? They know her, and they know what they would have to live with if they said they don't want to film. It may be that filming is the lesser of two evils because they know the hell that they would go through at home when she's miserable."
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Also I just wanted to say that IMO, and I am not a professional but I have taken quite a few parenting classes and gone through a lot if counseling with my 8 year old, but in what I've learned, I'd have to say that the tups are too young to be capable of that thought process or foresight. The twins probably think that way, but for the tups it's probably "if I do this mommy will love me more. If I do this mommy will give my 'xyz'.". It's like positive reinforcement. She responds positively to the behavior of filming so they want to keep doing it. She acknowledges them when they film. She is "nice" to them in front of cameras. So in turn they sincerely DO want to do it. Just like if they got hugs and praise and a special treat for getting green at school, or bringing home an "A" on a math test they would want to keep doing that. Kids thrive on attention. If you dont acknowledge the good, then theyll resort to bad. Just my opinion.

Racermom281 said...

The Radar pics are doozies. She is either flashing that big old horse teeth smile, or looking dazed and confused. And with all the time she spends on her apperance, which is getting worse if you ask me, she really looks awful...that she would take 2 hours out of her self absorbed life once a month and get those poor girls decent haircuts. All of them have just dreadful hair, it's such a shame to let your kid's walk around looking like that. But we all know, only her need's are important in that household. I can't call it a home, there's nothing homey about that place.

wife of a pap people said...

We heard, when the disembarding process was occurring that the man with the white hair took all the photos as they, the Gosselins, were walking down the concourse and down the escalator. The mother said, smile, smile. Then they stopped before going down the escalator and told all of the children to smile, that is when the 2 oldest girls laughed at each other and stayed behind.

How in the world could they ever have gotten photos back to the USA without Steve taking photos. That was too funny to hear.

No one wanted her photo, not even the local newspapers nor the local talk stations. No one knows who they are.

ChurchMouse said...

CakeIsGreat said...
...God willing, the flood areas will not be subjected to a "very special episode of Kate helping out"...

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You're kidding, right? A woman who compared to planned camping trip to being homeless wouldn't know how to help out flood victims.

She'd want to wait until the water went down, then have a specific (photogenic) family chosen, and then show up in designer wellies and an ermine-lined mac.

She'd then pretend to be sympathetic, have over a plate of "homemade" cookies, and then high-tail it out of there to a resort for a massage and a manicure.

Such a hard, hard life she leads.

fidosmommy said...

RE: Kate and the donated maroon van

I thought they went ahead and accepted the van, then traded it in on one she liked better.

CakeIsGreat said...

Can't See Sheep said...

I'm wondering if she is going to try & find ways of altering the plans of all of Jon's holidays with the children.

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I believe she will. She doesn't even have to try. If They do have alternating Holiday years and this is Jons year, all she needs to do is say the kids need to be with her to film holiday episodes and it is her "right to earn money to support them." I truly believe this is only the beginning. The question is will someone in the PA Judicial system see through it and put a stop to it. We can only hope...

ChurchMouse said...

Very important and informative--part three of "Interview with TV Producer" is up at http://smalltowngosselins.squarespace.com/

Some samples:

"TVP: There are some things that you can do to effect it...If you go to that supplier or manufacturer, that home company, and say “I will not buy your product..."...that's going to have a much bigger impact than going to the store and not buying the product."

"...My hope is that the children get a voice through the courts, or through a responsible parent. Really, these kids are being set up for failure..."

"...people will be talking about it when they're in their twenties, “Oh, I saw you on the potty while you were toilet training.” You lose that privacy. And I don't thing there's been any studies as of yet that have really looked into the long term effects of reality television on the psyche."

The freebee list from US Mag said...

From Us Magazine:
For the Gosselin clan, it's not just their show -- but their lifestyle -- that hang in the balance.
Kate, didn't go on her first airplane ride until her honeymoon to Disney World, now flies only first class for speaking engagements (mostly paid for by churches), sells signed photos of her kids for $20 a pop at appearances, and received a free tummy tuck after giving birth (Jon received a free hair transplant). A family source says while pregnant with the sextuplets, she grew "obsessed" with how many goodies the famed McCaughey septuplets received in 1997.
Jon, now a stay-at-home dad, was fired from his job at Style Craft Corp in 2004 after "spending much more time" on a "quest" for freebies than working, the company's owner, David Rothermel, tells Us. (Rothermel finally has spoken out after growing furious at the couple's well-worn claim that he was fired because the company didn't want to insure his family.)
"Instead of keeping the attention on their kids, they've let the attention turn to money and fame," says a family source of Jon and Kate, who, according to Nielson Media Research, are ranked No. 8 on the list of cable shows with the most product placement.
Marc Berman, senior television editor at Mediaweek, says producers cannot continue to portray the Gosselins as an everyday family trying to raise eight kids.
"Their lives have changed - they're not struggling anymore," Berman tells Usmagazine.com. "They're eating at fancy restaurants now. Yeah, they still have eight children, but things are different.
Below, a sample of just some of the swag they've scored:
- Free beds
- Front-loader washing machines
- New furniture
- Free solar panels for "Going Green" episode
- Clothes from Gymboree and Gap
- Mady & Cara birthday at American Girl Place (2 dolls and birthday package for 2 adults & 2 kids): $710
- Trip to Florida Key's for Jon's 30th birthday
-Tickets to Dutch Wonderland amusement park: $309.50
-1/2 an organic cow from Natural Acres Farm: $1,395.00
-Tickets to Philadelphia Zoo: $104.00
-Tickets to Walt Disney World: $654.00 per day
- Utah house rental (estimate: $5,000), ski lift tickets $72 for six days), ski school lessons ($140 per child)
- Upright piano, which they got rid of when they moved into their new $1.1 million home : $5,550-$6,350
- Violin: $100-$300
- Old house re-carperted
-Crayola Factory Tour: $90.00
-Teeth Whitening (for Jon & Kate): $1,310 (average price for 2 adults)
-Hair plugs (Jon): $5,200 (average cost)
-Sesame Street Place tickets: $509.50
-Day with Thomas the Tank Engine: $180.00
-Beach trip to North Carolina, house rental, Jeep tour
-Sight & Sound Christian theatre tickets: $236.00
-SkyBox at Phillies game
-LegoLand tickets: $550.00
-San Diego Zoo tickets: $278.00
-Grand Wailea Resort (Hawaii) for 2008 vow renewal: Suites range from $725-$1,080 per night.
-2 purebred German Shepherd puppies: $1,000-$3,000 per dog
- Please Touch Museum tickets: $150.00
- Giants grocery store: $5,000 in gift cards and a year's supply of diapers
That's a lot of "stuff" they have scored - but at what price? I'm not against anyone getting freebies - Jon and Kate were struggling to raise eight small children and if people and/or companies wanted to donate to them, that's fine. However, if Jon and Kate are only in this (staying together) for freebies, and the money at this point, then they really need to stop and take a look at what is truly important - the well-being of their family and children. No amount of money or free crap is worth ruining your family life!
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Button Button said...

CakeIsGreat said...
...God willing, the flood areas will not be subjected to a "very special episode of Kate helping out"...

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Wouldn't we see Kate terror stricken, shrieking, trying to get HERSELF to higher ground even if there was no water raising near by?

Remember the alligator?

Instead of grabbing her kids, like any mother who is afraid of anything would do, she whooped, hollered and couldn't move fast enough, backward, to get HERSELF away.

If there is ever any danger anywhere, (alligators, bears, floods) she will be gone first.

The kids will have to fend for themselves.

Yep, Kate looks out for Kate first.

The freebee list from US Mag said...

Never, ever was a contract between TLC and anyone/not Kate & Jon nor Kate ever revealed on line or written in any newspaper. Never.

None of those contracts are available nor are they published. None of the people who have appeared on any of TLC's stations have revealed their contracts.... Used to be an attorney.....if there had been, it would have been uncovered by people who have been involved in this Reality TV without Laws, like myself, a very long time ago.

Jon knows, but he will be subject to the lawsuit of all time, I suppose. I don't know. He does know what he and Kate did at the inception of all of this.

Who would have thought that this woman and man would have been able to pull this off?

If Jon's part in all of this, perhaps the original contract still binds him, I do not know and he cannot talk or has a legal muzzle on, again, I don't know.

Just hope that he has a book in the future about how the Gosselins (which would implicate himself) in this fiasco that has turned into the biggest grifting and money making operation in the history of children being on TV without laws.

TLC gets away with it. Kate certainly has managed to pocket so much money.

Jon did receive his share, does he still own his man toys like mowers, landmovers, All Wheel Drive vehicles, his sports car (not liking one, buying another one).

Money was spent like water out of an open faucet.

Believe that may upset people as much as the children being raised as entitled beings. Now, school is not important, but filming/vacation is?

Yes, noticed that Kate carried her own backpack as Steve probably was taking photos of her and the kids coming down the escalator. He must have sent them very quickly back to the outlets, even the Mail in London had copies.

So perhaps Steve is her traveling PR person but I still wonder why he sleeps in the basement?

All too much now, as my dear friend said, we have too many other children whom we can help, the Gosselin Family will grow even greater grifters within their own family; a product of their greedy parents.

Snow Globe said...

"You forgot to mention that the only time they seem to even get attention/love/affection (at least HER version) from her is when they are filming."
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True, but not always. Remember the ice cream scene in NYC when she literally shoved the cone at one of the boys, actually pushing him backward in his seat; there was no love shown on the fishing trip when they were sick; the "she's ruined" at Disney; the "I don't even want to hear you breathe..." in the garage. If this is being nice and showing her version of love and affection while they are filming, what's going on when they are not on camera?

Shoka's Understudy said...

More on the list:

All the Starbucks coffee she can drink for life. I don't know if it is true, but there is no way she pays for it!

Besides tickets to Disney, they also got hotel rooms, flights, food, Disney Merchandise handed to them. They even had Mickey Ears with their name embroidered on them. Then she imploded about the ice cream drips on the matchy-matchy clothes. I bet the Big Wigs at Disney were thinking, we GAVE her all these wonderful things and she acts like a a psychotic drunken sailor?

I believe that the post from the Aussie about not having a cart ready at the airport for the Highness luggage was true, because look at the look of mad as an old wet hen/anger on her face.

Can't wait for the inlaws to meet the Big Flintstone Toe. They will throw that Shrimp on the Barbie!
HAHAHA

Drake said...

Damage Control said, "They are supposed to post the Gosselin children's WORK PERMITS, wherever they are working, NOT the 'confidentiality agreements'."

Where did you hear this?

My youngest son has been a working actor since the age of nine (he's now 21), and there was never any requirement that his permit be posted. We simply had to show it to one of the PAs and to the on-set teacher on the first day of shooting, and then it could be put away.

Racermom281 said...

I've had a theory bouncing around in my head since the whole trip thing came out. I think TLC is trying to get rid of her, and their bait is this wonderfully expensive trip down under. They have got to be getting an insane amount of angry e-mails and letter's about her. When I sent an e-mail to them, I got a form letter response back so fast it would make your head spin. So this leads me to believe that thing's have gotten so heated in their offices with complaints that they had to put together a form letter to be sent out to everybody who complains. No matter what show is on tv, it will get complaints, that's a given. And yes, bat shit crazy behavior usually is a ratings grab, but in Kate's case, it's backfiring big time. Now, TLC has a new star in Sarah Palin, to whom big bad Kate was rude to. TLC may be user's, but dumb they are not. They know that with all the issues that's coming out about the kids, now would be the time to tell her to lay low, spend quality time with the kids blah blah blah. What do they do? Bet on her greed and attraction to shiny things and offer a big old fancy trip. She fell for it hook, line and sinker. If they are already spending all that money to send her there, why not employ a photographer as well. Nobody cares that she is there, it's now to the point where the boyfriendguad is taking the pics. I can't help but take pleasure in that. I'm willing to bet TLC knew that she would not get any press coverage while there. There are actual real stars there right now for winter holdiay, you know people who have talent, and are nice to others no matter how much fame they have. I think TLC threw her to the wolves on this one, and I love it. They knew what kind of backlash this trip would cause. TLC see's her show circling the drain, and I think they did this to her on purpose to put the final nail in her coffin. Please pray I'm right. Wouldn't it be great.

ChurchMouse said...

Drake said...
"...My youngest son has been a working actor since the age of nine (he's now 21)..."

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Out of curiosity, Drake, has your son been working with any unions, SAG, AFTRA, etc.? Did it help with safety and also with contract negotiating?

If so, do you think that he has benefited from these, and what is your opinion on "reality shows" where non-union labor is used?

Thanks for your insight.

She is a mix tween bull/cow said...

So, if all of this doesn't bother Kate, doesn't it bother Steve? No.

Are they in this together? Get the most out of travel, etc.

"I'll take her and the kids to Australia and NZ, so everyone will start talking about me taking her home to my family, maybe to even get married. More publicity"

Why is he as a bodyguard holding those little girls? I never see him holding a little boy in his arms?

I would think jon would complain about this crap. I wouldn't want anyone lifting my daughter or son up and carrying them around. What is with this guy? That is what babysitters and nannies are hired to do, not bodyguards who sleep in Mommy's basement and in adjoining bedrooms in first class hotel suites. What a waste of a bed, huh?

So Mrs. Steve, how do you feel about all of this, why didn't you go to NZ, I mean your kids are teens and they are okay. You are such a dear friend of Katie, right? Thanksgiving in 2009, remember the turkey? Oh you were the turkey, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha....why didn't you go as a guide along with your hubby?

And no one bothered Kate, so why the bodyguards?

No one every goes near her, never, except the hired paps.
And why

nolovelost said...

RE: the Van,

According to Jon (at a speaking engagement I saw him at back in 08) he made a big deal about how he purchased the van himself and it was NOT donated. I remember thinking, well, what do you want, a pat on the back, an award? It's your stinking family for God's sake, you should be buying your own van...

K8STFU said...

That Us Mag list of all the freebies the Gosselins have received is mind boggling and it's not even complete!

Donations/gifts from strangers aside (and there were tons from what I have read), what about:

- Juicy Juice
- Crocs
- Crooked Houses
- Little Tykes
- V Tech
- the other trip to NC ( they've taken two, right?)
- not sure about Whole Food or Target
- P and G
- Columbia gear for Utah trip
- the REST of the Maui trip (not just the hotel) : flights,dining, the ceremony itself, the private chartered boat
- that Em lady that made all the overly cutesy organizers , tee shirts and calendars

jasmine said...

So no paparazzi are even interested in photos of Kart in Australia and Steve is now taking and giving away pictures to tabloids. He probably pitched and sold the Australia/NZ trip to TLC. I think he's acting as Kart's agent, PR team, boobyguard, purseholder, stylist etc. He's probably handling everything related to Kart now, including her new transformation into a slutty version of Gina. Kart thinks she will hook Steve, but he's only with her for the money. When he's finished making money off of her, he'll be gone. Kart probably thinks she will be meeting his real family in NZ, but Steve hired actors.

Warmth of the Sun said...

And no one bothered Kate, so why the bodyguards?

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A "bodyguard" (Steve) is there to protect Kate from herself, and from others she might go off on. He has to make sure that she behaves. He is not there to protect her from fans/stalkers -- it's the other way around.

Snow Globe said...

Damage Control said, "They are supposed to post the Gosselin children's WORK PERMITS, wherever they are working, NOT the 'confidentiality agreements'."

Where did you hear this?

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PA Department of Labor, Child Labor Laws...

"Posting of Names and Hours

43 P.S. § 63 provides in part that

It shall be the duty of every person who shall employ any minor, under the age of eighteen years, to post and keep posted, in a conspicuous place in every establishment wherein said minor is employed, permitted or suffered to work, a printed abstract of the sections of this act relating to the hours of labor, and a list or lists of all minors employed under the age of eighteen years and a schedule of the hours of labor of such minors. The schedule of hours of labor herein required shall contain the name of the minor employed or permitted to work, the maximum number of hours such minor shall be required or permitted to work on each day of the week with the total for the week, the hours for commencing and stopping work, and the hours when the time allowed for meals shall begin and end for each day of the week."


"Permitted or suffered to work"...this means that if TLC is the employer and they film in a restaurant, amusement park, etc., those work permits must be posted. I have no idea if the DOL is making sure that TLC is complying with this law. Perhaps some e-mails are in order to check on this.

Monster Mommy said...

Oh MaryB, say it isn't so!

Can you imagine Pursy's family meeting Kate (their daughter-in-law to be) for the first time? Something tells me the introduction to Gina would be far less eventful. What an embarrassment to our country-- and now she's gone international. It's greedy liars like Kate Gosselin that give Americans a bad name.

I can't believe this court situation with Jon either, if in fact true. Keep fighting the good fight, Jon. Hopefully one day a good Judge will listen, and be the voice of reason. Funny, I didn't see Alexis or Collin in any of the Australia photos on ROL. Although, I could be mistaken.

Once An Attorney said...

"Never, ever was a contract between TLC and anyone/not Kate & Jon nor Kate ever revealed on line or written in any newspaper. Never."

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You misread my post. I didn't say that the CONTRACT was posted. I said that it was TLC's LAWSUIT against Jon that was posted, and it most certainly was posted. One of the points of that lawsuit stated that the contracts were signed in the presence of an attorney, but no mention was made that the Gosselins were without representation at the first signing. I remember reviewing that complaint when it first appeared and noticed that it had omitted the fact that there was no attorney present at the initial signing. I am not sure who had the "exclusive" story. It could have been ROL.

Here is what I wrote. Please note that I said that POINTS of the contract were included in the TLC complaint against Jon, NOT THE CONTRACT:

"Didn't many of the points of that original contract appear online when TLC filed its complaint against Jon? I seem to remember reading (in that complaint) that in subsequent contracts Kate and Jon had an attorney..."

Does anyone here remember where that document (lawsuit) appeared online? It caused quite a stir at the time. Was it removed shortly after it was posted, because of the question of confidentiality?

Shoka's Understudy said...

She's tween a Cow and a bull, oh my goodness, I laughed so hard. hurt, hurt!
Then mary b said that about they were meant to be a family! oh oh oh my very very funny.

So proud of Mady and Cara for laughing and staying back at the escalator. Hope kate will forget about it and just concentrate on posing for Purseboy.

fidosmommy said...

nolovelost said...
RE: the Van,

According to Jon (at a speaking engagement I saw him at back in 08) he made a big deal about how he purchased the van himself and it was NOT donated. I remember thinking, well, what do you want, a pat on the back, an award? It's your stinking family for God's sake, you should be buying your own van...

*****

Yep, it would still fit. You could be right, of course, but I'm skeptical that's all there is to the story.

They got a maroon van donated and they used it for a trade-in for more expensive blue van. Just the same as you and me, they could say they bought the blue van from a dealer.
It's the truth, but the purchase of their van with the trade-in of a new van, it would have dropped the cost considerably.

1momski said...

Protect8, your post was brilliant! Yes, Kate uses the fear of abandonment to manipulate those kids and in this case,it is no idle threat. When children are afraid, they often act angry and I expect that is part of the problem with their acting out in school.
Kate wants everyone to think that the children are just having divorce issues which are Jon's fault, of course. These children do not have a secure attachment to their mother and never have had, in my opinion.

Drake said...

ChurchMouse said, "Out of curiosity, Drake, has your son been working with any unions, SAG, AFTRA, etc.? Did it help with safety and also with contract negotiating? If so, do you think that he has benefited from these, and what is your opinion on "reality shows" where non-union labor is used? Thanks for your insight."

I'm happy to address your questions -- but I'm going to have to do it in two posts, because when I tried to do it in one, my computer said it was too large! So here goes . . .

Yes, my son has been in both SAG and AFTRA since he was nine, and when he first started out, SAG was very, very good at educating us about all aspects of 'the business.' The union also made sure that he knew his rights in terms of what his parents could and couldn't do with his money, even though this wasn't something he needed to worry about. (We never touched a dime of his money, even though we were entitled to recoup costs related to headshots, driving him to shoots, etc., because we believe parents are supposed to give, not take.)

In regard to safety concerns, his advocate on the set was the teacher -- and me too, of course. (I was always present when he was shooting.) In California, teachers aren't just charged with educating child actors but with making sure they get their breaks and meals on time and preventing them from doing anything dangerous. (One time a teacher shut down a scene just because my son was standing next to something that might have fallen on him; the set had to be changed before shooting could continue.) You can also call a union representative if there's trouble, but I never had to do that because my son's on-set teachers were all great.

As for contract negotiations, my son had (and still has) both a manager and a team of agents, and these people were aggressive about looking out for his best interests when it came to making deals. They also took what I wanted into account, not only in regard to contracts but in regard to what projects he could audition for. For example, I refused to allow him to use foul language, so if a script had any vulgarity the agents wouldn't even send it to us for consideration.

(More to come)

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