When the Tide Turns

When people start figuring out what happened.


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75 comments:

readerlady said...

Wow. That is scary. Thanks for posting the link, Sharla. Wonder what Khate thinks God has in store for her? Lying, cheating, stealing, dishonoring her parents, dishonoring her husband, dishonoring her marriage vows. Seems to me I remember the Bible having a few things to say about all that. The more I read, the more I ache for those kids. They are never going to be able to have a normal life. Even with intensive therapy the scars Khate has inflicted on them will never go away. I sure hope Jon is able to make the court see the light here and at the very least, get joint custody and equal time with the kids and get them into court ordered therapy.

NoUse4Kate said...

“they wouldn’t get into heaven and Jesus doesn’t love bad people,”


Oh my goodness.....what a horrible thing to say to a child. Hmmmm, obviously she doesn't believe what she tells them or she'd be living in fear of what Jesus thinks of her. What a wretch. May these things keep surfacing so this hag is sunk and those kids receive the help that they need. Everyone said the first rumors of the 2 kids being expelled were wrong and they proved to be true, I am guessing this latest one is true too.

K8, if you read this, don't use Jesus as a weapon against your kids, I don't think He looks too kindly on that sort of thing. The mentality of that just blows my mind, it is like the babysitter who threatens to call Santa and tell him that the kids are misbehaving. Good grief.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Wait. K8G gets NOBU & Mr. Chow on demand but her kids are stuck eating stale sandwiches while they live in K8G's mansion?

To those who hope to 'keep in touch' with the Gosselin 8, no worries. We're sure to see them crop up again in a few years on "True Hollywood Stories" or "Bios Gone Bad".

Wonder how those Amish chickens are doing under K8G's care? We know how the poor German Shepherds fared there.

path said...

Please, tell me that with all these "leaks" about what a bad parent Kate is being that we are not in store for a new series of specials dedicated to "helping" Kate be a better single mom. Oy Vey!!!!

Jane in California said...

Where will it all end? What will it take before someone does something to help these children? Again, how can the family law judge allow this intolerable situation to continue without even having a guardian ad litem appointed to represent the children?

With the expulsion of two of the children, Jon has something to return to Court with, something concrete he can point at and say, "Your Honor, the children are clearly having problems, and I ask that you a) give me more custodial time and b) you appoint guardian at litems for them, and c) ask that the first thing the GAL's do is determine whether the children should undergo counseling.

Please do it Jon.

Kate enjoys inflicting maximum hurt and psychological pain on her children. I think she actually hates them at times, and despises them on better days.

Fran said...

It all sounds suspiciously like media plants by TLC and/or Kate and/or Jon in a desperate attempt to stir up an audience for the next Kate+8 episode...the last, if this pathetic misguided hail-Mary play doesn't work. I don't know about heaven, but they definitely let bad people on TV.

so sick of her said...

Don't hold you breath. It appears that Kates shows are not over yet. K8 on the 28th and a rep from TLC says Twisted Kate may still see the light of day. Don't they have 12 episodes filmed? TLC is gonna get the blood out of the stone.

1911A1 said...

Actually, Khate, Jesus DOES love bad people. You must have been dreaming about fame & fortune when that was being preached in church.

Techymum said...

I certainly don't trust the story that is told in the link. Seems like awfully personal/private statements to have been heard.

What I feel the most awful about, tho, is that those kids are still being thrust into the spotlight. Bad press, there are the stories and pics. These kids have done nothing to deserve having their names/faces put out there.

Poor things - I just keep hoping for the day I read they have been given their own lawyer, and no longer will there be any public stories.

SquatmunkieRN said...

The kids have obviously suffered in silence for YEARS. I'm not happy that their faces are out there BUT I am happy that people are starting to know the true Kate.

From what we see on TV, who isn't surprised by these stories? I for one believe them.

Who would think to make up a story that the kids are forced to bring old sandwiches? Or that their mom says "God does't like bad people."

I bet a scorned parent from the school and a fired nanny have something to do with these stories. But I hope the kids won't have to suffer this abuse in silence.

K8STFU said...

I take the newest "story" with a grain of salt although it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

On one of the trips ( was it San Diego?) Colin was running down the aisle of the airplane and bumped his head as he was leaving. K8 said something to the effect that God was punishing him for not listening.

EVERYTHING that comes out of K8's mouth is a lie, threat or pathetic excuse.

C said...

I don't know if these stories are true, but I wouldn't put it beyond her to threaten the kids with Jesus or being sent away like the dogs. Hey, whatever works, right Kate?

Her alleged comment to the school, telling them that she pays them enough to fix the kids, I totally believe.

Justice4_8 said...

I'm guessing Kate does not know the second verse of the Sunday School song "Jesus Loves Me".
Kate, if you're reading here, good news! It goes like this...

"Jesus loves me, when I'm good, when I do the things I should.
Jesus loves me, when I'm BAD,
though it makes him very sad."

It's all good, Kate, the kids can be human and still get into heaven. yay! The song is Biblically based too, Kate. Run look up the F* word in your Bible index.
*forgiveness

Lisa said...

http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/17/kate-gosselin-money/3

I hope this isn't true and if it is, then I hope the kids have some money put away for the future. They should at least get some compensation for having their lives under a microscope for the past 6 years. They didn't sign up for this and shouldn't have to suffer because their idiot parents couldn't keep it together and lived far beyond their means....

Brummygirl said...

I am really suspicious about all these stories suddenly emerging. Not that I wouldn't put it past Kate, but it seems awfully convenient just before the airing of Kate+8 and the due court date.
If true or not, I hope this does not send Kate off the deep end for the sake of the kids. I know I could not stand the constant public battering not for any amount of money.
Kate home schooling all the kids? Now that makes me laugh...ish!!!!

zoey said...

another Celeb Gossip site is claiming that she is in financial distress and concidering getting a ... REAL JOB!

She's Going Down said...

PerezHilton joined the Kate exposure club:
http://perezhilton.com/2010-11-17-kate-gosselin-facing-financial-troubles-for-living-like-a-diva

StoryLady said...

I'm skeptical about this one. As someone upthread pointed out; that's a lot of personal information that would be hard to come by if you didn't live in the house.
My money's on TLC trying to boost ratings.

Jane in CA said...

Don't hold you breath. It appears that Kates shows are not over yet. K8 on the 28th and a rep from TLC says Twisted Kate may still see the light of day. Don't they have 12 episodes filmed? TLC is gonna get the blood out of the stone.
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12 episodes? Not hardly. If they have even one full episode in the can, I'd be very surprised. I think Twist of Kate was just a carrot dangled by TLC in front of Kate to get her to do their bidding a little bit longer. If Kate had done well on DWTS (i.e., gained fans), or if Kate +8 was doing well in the ratings, then TLC would have invested in a further spin off show just for Kate.

But we all know how things went. DWTS only exposed more people to the ugly that is Kate. Ratings are continuing their downhill slide on K+8. The kids are imploding, and Kate is seen dressed in trampy clothes around town. Only her diehard fans still want anything to do with her -- and they are simply not enough of a demographic to draw advertisers to her show.

I'm pretty sure Twist of Kate has been shut down, if it ever was in production to begin with.

NoUse4Kate said...

If it is just to boost ratings, how perverse can you get? That is beyond sick and twisted to sell your children out to this extent and top it off with stories about yourself? Are people that attention hungry that they would do that? I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that concept. I suppose nothing is impossible. At the same time, k8 is the queen bitch so all of it is totally believable. I don't know what to think other than I just wish that she would go away and that her kids would be rescued, either way if all of this is true or not, they are screwed.

ChurchMouse said...

"Jane in CA said...I'm pretty sure Twist of Kate has been shut down, if it ever was in production to begin with."
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Ms. Gosselin is not an actor, an entertainer, or a performer. She's a person who was picked up by a TV channel as an "interesting" personality.

She does not have the training, discipline, or understanding of what it takes to be an actress or a spokesperson.

If "Twist of Kate" goes forward, I do not see it succeeding because she will not be able to perform. Remember, this is a person who is a liability--she shows up late and doesn't take direction. Heck, that alone will get you kicked out of a high school musical, let alone a professional set.

If she wants to act, fine. Take classes. Learn how to respect your colleagues. Don't argue with a dance instructor. And for pity's sake, leave your ego at the door.

And take when you look yourself in the eye in the mirror, realize the stupidity of such comments as, "we are keeping this private." You sold your privacy long ago to the highest bidder.

You can, of course, get it back. Take your kids off of TV and make your own living.

court Hearings R tuff said...

I'm sorry to say I believe this stuff. Simply because Khate has shown TOO much of her backside, too many times. (figuratively) She simply has a BAD track record.
IF it is true, about the sandwiches? I am wondering WHy anyone, I mean even one person (former nanny? teacher?) has not done a report/referral.
Also; to the questions almost demanding that family "step in" and "Why " havent they? Exactly WHAT do you want them to do. I think Jodi and Kevin tried, some time ago, and were not only slammed bymany for it, but it didnt' "work." What is family, or a former "helper' such as that Grandma folded the laundry?--to do? Barge in the house and order the kids in to her car to remove them from the hate that is Kate? Uh-uh; kidnapping. Even JON cannot do that. Trust me: he can't. THe closest to that that COULD occur is he does not comply with returning them, or the twins or whatnot, from a scheduled visit. I can GUARANTEE you KHate will call the cops, and guess what? THe cops WILL go to Jon's , remove his OWN kids from him, and take them in squad car back to Joan Crawford. When Jon might try to explain , or cite the very obvious examples here in the media, the cops will always say "That is a civil matter." "you have to go back to court" That is their favorite saying (other than "Let me see your license and registration."
His best bet is to address all this in the upcoming hearing. I am SURe his lawyer (hope he has one!0 has already advised him to do this. With the lawyer's help.
And with the way the "Court" works, they will NOT yank those kids outright. Oh no. THere will be slews of : evaluations, parenting classes (for both Khate and Jon), more hearings that accomplish little, "progress reports", home visits by the GAL and maybe even some sort of Family services person, interviews, etc. And then MORE hearings.
Meanwhile, Khate's lawyer(s), if they are worth their salt at all, WILL tell her --order her in fact-- to keep her nose clean, keep OUT of the news altogether, play nicey-nice with the school, neighbors, FedEx employees, pedicurists, and everyone with whom she comes into contact. IOW: NO scandals, no public bitchiness.
*** ONe final but very pressing Question: WHERE IS STEVE??
IF he indeed was :just" a paid employee, and IF she indeed is having financial woes (where have we heard THAT sob story before??)- then no paycheck SHOULD = no more Steve.'
IF he is still 'around', well I give up. They must be in a relationship. WHy the man would be that level of insane is beyond me, truly. Kate is toxic to the extreme. !

last2cu said...

Go back and look at this story from two years ago..it reads like it is current

http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2008/09/episode-recap-929-viewer-faq.html

last2cu said...

Go back and read these posts..they are from two years ago..they read like they are current..
http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2008/09/episode-recap-929-viewer-faq.html

silimom said...

“they wouldn’t get into heaven and Jesus doesn’t love bad people,” a source tells Us Weekly. But if that isn’t bad enough, Kate continued her rant adding that they would be “sent away like [their former dogs] Shoka and Nala if they didn’t change their behavior.” Isn’t she taking this a little too far?
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Well, first off we don't know for certain that this is true or not. However, from what we know of Kate, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

How sad that her father is a minister and this is the message she was taught - that Christ/God's love is conditional, that you are saved by works not by the grace of God. I'm not sure what bible they're reading but it isn't the one my church uses.

This family is so messed up and I'm not certain anything can be done unless Kate and Jon are both willing to own up to their failings and mistakes and truly seek to change. And honestly, I don't see Kate being at that point yet and frankly I'm not sure what to make of Jon. He says a lot of things but I'm never certain how sincere he is.

I will continue to pray for them. They truly need it.

Brummygirl said...

last 2cu said:
Go back and look at this story from two years ago..it reads like it is current

http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2008/09/episode-recap-929-viewer-faq.html
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That's the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Very, very clever and so true.

SquatmunkieRN said...

The Jesus story is very plausable. Remember when they were unboarding a plane (who can remember where with all the trips they've been on) and Collin was running down the isle after Kate told them not to? Remember that he got hurt...fell or hit his head on something? And when poor Collin was crying in pain Kate told him God was punishing him for not listening. How very "motherly" of her....

Yep, Kate telling the kids "God doesnt like bad people" sounds just like her. Sick and twisted.

my9cats said...

Hey Sheeple! If Jon did not pay child support Kate would have hauled his butt into court long ago. The fact that she hasn't-just making comments on R&K which are worthless-proves this.

Kate is incompetent said...

The comment Kate made to the school sounds just like the way she would talk to jon when the kids acted up. It's your fault, you deal with this child....blech. Jon, I'm glad you escaped Kate. Good luck breaking those kids out of Kate Jail.

Rebecca said...

I don't always agree with her, but this time she's speaking sense.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/dr-lillian-glass-on-joy-behar-show-discusses-expelled-gosselin-kids-and-how-they-need-help/

Be Done Now! said...

Well, first off we don't know for certain that this is true or not. However, from what we know of Kate, it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

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It's possible. Remember when Kate told the kids in NYC that she'd leave them with people they didn't know? We have this on film. She said it. It's not hearsay. Telling them she'd send them away like the dogs is totally plausible. It sounds eerily similar to the NYC threat.

mommy dearest said...

And reports say Kate has spending problem. She thought she was going to get a lot of products named after her and her children. She also thought she was going to be on Cover Girl commercial. All those things didn't happen but she already spent like she got the million dollar gigs.

Cover Girls commercial? Seriously?!!! Have you seen a 30 something mommy dearest/loser from reality show on Cover Girls commercial? The only women they hire over 30 are movie stars and singers like Holly Berry and Queen Latifa, both of them have very fruitful long career.

She's come undone said...

This is ironic, but my pastor actually mentioned "Jon and Kate" in his sermon last Sunday. He used them to make a point. He said, "for example, take Jon and Kate Gosselin. You will hear them both vow time and again that everything they do is for their children. Yet, clearly, nothing they do is for their children. It's all for themselves."

My heart and prayers go out to these precious children. Kate if you are reading this please understand that this is NOT a dress rehearsal. You only get the chance to raise the children once. And it's all over so very, very quickly.

Can't See Sheep said...

Yep, kate telling the school I pay you enough, fix them. Like they're broken toys or something, very eerie. Ontop of which, once again everyone else is supposed to deal with kate's children but herself. The older they become the more obvious it is as to why she had them & that she cares little about their wellbeing.

Everyone else is supposed to deal with the G8 & pay for them while kate collects money from them & takes them off the "shelf" now & again & looks at them like they're little dolls from some collection she has. And wow, isn't she special, she managed to collect a full set of 8.

Can't See Sheep said...

It may only be rumour but it sounds like the kind of crap that drops out of kate's mouth. Vile, cruel & threatening. All she seems able to do is threaten, lie & whine. Kids do get tired of it & will call a parent on it if they've been put through enough of it. I imagine the G8 must have been through enough for several lifetimes.

These kids need to be removed from kate, it's clear her cruelty towards Jon has switched to them & been amped up as he's no longer there. Same sandwiches for days could make a child seriously ill depending on what it's made of & that's beyond cruel. She may think she's teaching them a lesson, but that's food poisoning & knowingly inflicting that on your child is abuse.

Jon does get them on schedualed visits & I've wondered why he doesn't take them to a therapist while he has them, then I realized if kate found out that he'd done would she try & keep him from ever seeing them again? Is that something he has to consider? I mean it's not like kate is someone who listens to anyone unless it's in her favor, typical N & "above the law" thinking. The best he could hope for is that on such a visit to a therapist the kids said something that the police had to be called on immediately.

Can't See Sheep said...

Drew Barrymore is also Cover Girl, so why the heck would they want kate with all the different talent they already have, kate has nothing to add or contribute to any of it. OMG I could see kate doing the commercials much like she danced, as stiff as a board & as graceful as a shopping cart!

fidosmommy said...

Kate has already tried the endorsement route. Remember the HealthTex/Walmart deal that never came to be? I remember a lot of outcry about Kate being tapped for this deal and much celebrating when it fell through.

Just Throw It Out! said...

I unpacked one of the kid's lunch boxes today and found that nothing was eaten, totally untouched pb&j sandwich. I had forgotten that the kids had a special event today and lunch was provided. I looked at the sandwich and thought of Kate. The sandwich was a just a bit on the soggy side (nothing major) and I threw it away. Even if it had remained in pristine condition, I still would have thrown it away (or given it to the dog, who loves peanut butter!). I never would have considered "re-gifting" that thing. How could she do this?

Linda said...

StoryLady said...My money's on TLC trying to boost ratings.
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But WHY? Why would they even care about her anymore? Ratings are down, they've got 2 new shows that appear to be going big, so why don't or won't, they just let her go? I keep wondering if Khate has something on TLC and/or Eileen O'Neil.

Rebecca said...

I'm guessing for awhile, they were chasing the divorce numbers hoping for lightening to strike twice. Now they are burning off the last episode that they have filmed. If we see them suddenly start filming furiously again, then I'll worry. They tried one hour specials and going back to weekly and neither improved the ratings. They tried a huge deal budget-wise of Alaska and it bombed. They really don't have any tricks left.

MaryB said...

I think TLC is taking advantage of the expulsion and the left over food. I think they were done with her but when this came up they scrambled to put footage together to squeeze every bit of the last advertising dollars out of Kate they can.
They are hoping extra people will tune in to see the carnage of the children's woes.
In other words they are using Kate and the children like they always have. Plain and simple.

Tami said...

Cover Girls commercial? Seriously?!!! Have you seen a 30 something mommy dearest/loser from reality show on Cover Girls commercial? The only women they hire over 30 are movie stars and singers like Holly Berry and Queen Latifa, both of them have very fruitful long career.
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Well, and Ellen Degeneres, who is older but definitely looks better than Kate. I have a hard time believing Kate actually thought she'd get a makeup campaign. She looks really rough for her age. I doubt also that they would want a z-list reality "star".

Cover-Me-Kate said...

Tami said,

Well, and Ellen Degeneres, who is older but definitely looks better than Kate. I have a hard time believing Kate actually thought she'd get a makeup campaign.

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Perhaps she just figured they would air-brush the heck out of her. It's not like it's never been done before!

Jane in CA said...

There's not a lot of women out there who want to look like an aging Cruella deVil.

Laurie said...

I don't think that it was actually Cover Girl, I think that I'd heard that she wanted someone to create some sort of "Mommy Make-up On the Go" line that she would be the spokeswoman for. Unfortunately most moms don't put their makeup on with a shovel and scrape it off with a trowel! Most "mom's on the go" also don't have professional make-up and/or hair stylists at their beck and call.

Swissmiss said...

As far as "Twist of Kate," Kate was in North Carolina 'working' as a waitress for one of the episodes. I think this was in early Spring.

MayDay said...

Kate is clearly a sick women with some mental issues. Threatening the children with the "after life" shows that she thinks she is in control of everything- even that. This situation is so out of control and I am shocked that the authorities just stand there and watch it. I have said it many times but not have followed through but maybe this time I can- I am done with her!!

PatE said...

Cruella deVil.....Making her little puppies into fame and fortune!

pate said...

>> Just Throw It Out! said...

I unpacked one of the kid's lunch boxes today and found that nothing was eaten, totally untouched pb&j
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We should all mail her old p&j sandwiches. She needs a little more fill in her face.

Pate said...

Oh....and now after crying poor, she is now adding diamonds to her necklace.

Two for so long, then down to one as she lost Jamie and now adding more...hmm.

Jane in California said...

Driving to work today, listening to my local morning radio station. They are one of the few that still are local and still have a morning drive time "talk" and banter. Anyway - one of the gossip blurbs they read was the one now going around that says Kate is out of money and has run through her millions. There was laughter that she thought she might land a deal with Cover Girl, and general disbelief that yet another dumbbell was raking in tons of money, and thought it would never end.

I really do wonder how much truth there is to the story. I know Kate spends money like it's going out of style, but usually it's someone else's dime. The $7,000 weave - didn't TLC pay for that? The expensive hotels, the limos, etc. Kate is queen of the grifters and I think she's got money squirreled away that she doesn't want to share with the kids, so now she's crying poor.

Rebecca said...

Old Kate so you can see how much she has had done to herself.

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2010/11/19/is-kate-gosselin-broke/

KatesDirtyFlintstoneFeet said...

Remember a few years back, Kate was traveling around the country promoting school bag-lunches & how to pack a healthy lunch, etc....Now she is caught re-packing old food for those poor kids. Fake hag.

Hippie Chick said...

Can't See Sheep said...
Drew Barrymore is also Cover Girl, so why the heck would they want kate with all the different talent they already have, kate has nothing to add or contribute to any of it. OMG I could see kate doing the commercials much like she danced, as stiff as a board & as graceful as a shopping cart!
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Kate as a Cover Girl...hang on a second here... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!! That is just too funny for words. Is she serious?? Drew Barrymore has style, grace, likability, beauty...Oh, & a career! Kate has NONE of these things. I find is so laughable that Kate actually thought that she would become a spokesperson for Cover Girl cosmetics. And when she hawked that eye cream, was she trying to be theirs too? Please. I can see her now in a commercial. So stoic & wooden. And on set? A nightmare. Who would buy products from Mommy Dearest? Maybe she could try selling cheap Walgreen weaves & Frederick's of Hollywood CFM heels.

Sport said...

"Who would buy products from Mommy Dearest? Maybe she could try selling cheap Walgreen weaves & Frederick's of Hollywood CFM heels."

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That's the line of the week, right there. Love it.

The Tax Man Cometh said...

The $7,000 weave - didn't TLC pay for that? The expensive hotels, the limos, etc.

Possibly, but it's still a check for her. It's the same as a payment of $7,000 and it must be reported, same way the gift bags at the LA awards ceremonies must be reported. She'll have to pay tax on that horrible weave.
I hope the IRS has her under its radar.

Leavin on a jet plane said...

What a great idea! This bozo can take off to LA and ditch every one of those troubled children - again.

Oh, wait a minute, maybe that IS a good idea. Absentee mom may = stress relief, at least for as along as she's gone.

What a great lead-in to a custody hearing. Nothing says "Dad can't have them, but I don't want them" like working 3,000 miles away.

Taylor said...

Guys, don't believe that Kate is broke. Her camp came up with this story so Kate could get sympathy again.

Last time, this woman used the public's sympathy to get freebies, gigs, and all the free help throwing at her. Now she is doing it again because the TLC gravy train is going to stop anytime soon.

All other shows about multiples didn't do well and got canceled. Why? People are sick of these parents using their children to get money, freebies and fame. And we know the minute the parents get rich and plenty of opportunities, they will turn into Kate in a heartbeat. The audience no longer care and don't want to support these families. And people don't like that they are seeing a trend - irresponsible parents having multiple kids they can't afford by using fertility treatments.

K8STFU said...

FlinstoneFeet-

Because of this recent story, I actually Googled the story (2 days ago) because I wanted to give the link to GWOPers. I cannot find the article anywhere. Hmmmmmm.

The article was in the St Louis Daily Dispatch for Judith Evans ( nutrition pro) Brown Bag advice from Kate Gosselin. Not only were the "recipes" a complete joke ( cut your sandwich on the diagonal) but the comments were priceless. Ms. Evans got raked over the coals . This article was from 2 years ago - people have had K8's number from day one.

If anybody else can find the link , please post it, it's quite humorous.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I wonder if she displays any pictures of herself they way she "really" looks with the kids? I sorta doubt it. Too bad for her that Google is here to stay.

Child Advocate by Trade said...

The Custody Hearing is about the lawyers representing the Mom & Dad. All information requested by the Judge in previous hearings:Updates; living conditons, financials, parent's empl,visitation, child support, etc., are in binded documents, in the Judge's Chambers waiting for him/her to read. Before Hearing the Judge may have a preliminary meeting with the lawyers to discuss any questions re: requests by either party.Judge may request more information.

The Lawyers are paid "to be the mouth pieces and speak for the parents". These Judges don't get into "he said, she said". This is about what is the law pertaining to custody of the children. So no matter what we say or think, the mother comes out on top. It would take more than an Act of Congress to remove those children from their Mother and each other.

The Mother has not been arrested, etc. There is no evidence of her not acting in the children's best interests. We only know what is written by people giving their opinions, no facts of abuse, Judges don't rule on blogs or on Eric robert's opinion.

I would also go as far as to speculate at this point, that Jon is not requesting full custody. We haven't seen that in Jon other than moving 6 months ago to the area from NY. That is very important to
the Judge. Jon will not be ordered to live in the Mansion and be in full control of the children even if Kate is working in L.A.

The Judge can change visitation around a bit, if he KNOWS that the children prefer more time with Dad. That would be in a written request
that the Judge could rule on, possibly.

So as long as the tups who were expelled are getting proper counseling and education. The Judge is not going to change much of anything.

Kate can walk down the street in hot pants in the winter and that means nothing as long as the children are properly cared for by the State of Pa.

Even Jon's girlfriend, Ellen, has no rights where those children are concerned, none, even if she married Jon, none. This is a 90 day review hearing requested by the Judge.

Remember folks, we don't see the twins running away from home, do we? We don't see the kids running away from Kate. The kids don't refuse to go home, they may cry because they don't want their father to leave but I believe he knows that.

These Judges also understand "the changing, firing" of baby sitters/nannies. As long as qualified persons care for the children while the custodial parent works (DWTS,ABC, CBS, TLC) then the Judge is not going to pluck the kids out of their home and put them in Jon's care. Not at this point.

Also, what you folks aren't considering is that Kate is making more $$$ and Jon's seeking less mandated child support. She is not broke. Nor is Jon broke. He was ordered to pay over $20,000, so he has money. If he were blue collar making $500 a week, do you think he would be ordered to pay $20,000?

Just what we go thru in these hearings as most of you who have been there, know that is how the hearing go. The Lawyers work to make concessions, get requests filled. Doubt Jon and Kate will even be there. May have already given depositions for the hearing and the Judge is reading them.

Child Advocate by Trade said...

Custody Hearings:the attys updating info & requests to the Judge:financials,living conditions,welfare of kids,petitions to increase or decrease child support,petitions for increased or decreased visitation, Depositions by both parents, etc.

Kate has the kids.Unless Kate wants to give the kids to Jon. He hasn't bought/rented a bigger home has he? He doesn't use his mother's house, does he? So assume he is not seeking custody. His financials for the past 12 months probably do not show stability, but the past 6 months may.He has $$.
When Kate was on R & K, she said "that the children don't want to stay w/Jon, they want to be at home". She did not bring up the subject, the hosts did. She spoke of her children's wishes, not anything against Jon. That was probably true. Roughing it loses it's appeal for kids.They enjoy visiting but sleeping, they want to be in their own beds.

Big problem for Jon? Violated court order by Twittering. Doesn't look good for him. Each time he speaks to the public about those kids/Kate, he creates problems for those kids. That will be what this court hearing ends up being "more about" is what his violation did to his children, being they are in the public eye.
So folks, don't be surprised if all 8 of those children are moved to a more private school where they will be protected by school officials vs the leak in the press about the tups. Also Jon's support could be increased for that.Most of his support goes to education, half of expenses to raise the 8. He should have listened to his first lawyer who told him "keep your mouth closed, do not say anything about Kate". Jon fired that lawyer, hired a PR lawyer who bad mouthed Kate. Not good judgement.

Only the way I see it. He should get a job of some type, show an interest in working. Also keeping his mouth shut to the press about his ex and the 8 kids. Disappear as Kate has. She has not spoken to the press or created headlines to harm her kids.

Brummygirl said...

Hetti/UK said...
Kate is not as dumb as you all think. She has big bucks. She has good lawyers. She does not spend a penny on herself. She has so many contracts with not only TLC but I just read with ABC (maybe that is why Barbara Walters won't let anyone talk about her kids being expelled) and CBS (with the skating show) and NBC with the Emmy show plus she does have offers from Europe, who are crazy about her, to do commercials for beauty products. How about all that?
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With all due respect to your comments: About U.K. being crazy about her, I was there for over two months this year and no one whom I asked, knew who she was. There were no magazines touting her, she was not on t.v. nada. So her popularity must have grown awfully quickly over there!!
As for contracts, I believe she only has one and that is with T.L.C. who promote her to these other shows to squeeze every last drop out of Kate before they say Bye Bye.
No, I doubt Jon is *jellus* of all this, he is too concerned about his children, which is more than I can say for Kate, jazzing off to yet another gig to up her *Stah* status. JMO of course.

readerlady said...

Okay, I'm a bit confused here. If Khate is going to be covering SWTS for ET, she has a contract with ET. She also has a contract with TLC, as we all know. Where do contracts with ABC, CBS, and NBC come into it? CBS has nothing to do with SWTS. Khate appeared on the Emmys, which aired on NBC this year, but rotates among the big 3 (maybe big 4 - I don't remember if Fox also carries the Emmys) networks. Therefore, any contract that existed for the appearance on the Emmy broadcast would be with the Emmy producers/etc., and for that show only, not an inclusive contract with the network. As I understand it, she isn't going to appear on SWTS, just report on it for ET, so why would she have a contract with ABC?

Evelyn said...

Seems like Kate just has popularity and money for those shows to keep it, huh? None of us knows the truth, do we? If someone did, then I wish they would tell us. Cause that is one woman who even had free clothes sent to her to wear. I do know that. My niece works for Victoria's Secret and that top that Kate wore for copying? Well, that hasn't come out in their stores yet, but Kate had it on.

It is like glue, huh? Money sticks to Kate and Kate sticks to the TV, I guess.

Wish the witch would go away but someone really likes her face on TV. Maybe this time she took lessons to appear on TV? Hope so or else I won't be watching anything on TV anymore.

See Jon should have stayed with her, he would be making lots of $$ too. Dumb to move out on $$ Jon. Must really piss him off to read about her.

Just like Waldo? Yeah, lol lol lol

Against Boarding Schools said...

I just read that there are boarding schools where really rich people put their kids to protect them from the Press. Something like Tom Cruise and Nicole put them 2 adopted children in and no one ever saw them, remember? Some are private Quaker schools. We have one in Langhorne, Pa., where Bill Cosby's kids all went to. They go home on weekends and holiday breaks.

Geez Louise said...

So folks, don't be surprised if all 8 of those children are moved to a more private school where they will be protected by school officials vs the leak in the press about the tups.

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The school didn't leak anything to the press! The school has NEVER put out one word about the kids. ANY school these kids go to will have kids who tell their parents, who tell other parents, etc. etc, and it's going to get leaked.
You can't put the kids in a vacuum or a monastery.

These are kids who ARE the reality stars, not simply the kids of a celebrity who enrolls them in boarding school. It's an entirely different situation, and whatever they do will be subject to scrutiny, no matter where they are. There is nothing like a "more" private school.

Brummygirl said...

Heiti/UK said...
Brummy Girl. I have to laugh at you saying that Europe only includes London. We like the reality shows from US. We laugh at some of the stupid shows too. KJ+8 is in our newspapers like yours. We get most of your magazines to.

Why would you come here and spend all of your time asking everyone if they heard of Kate? I think we have so much more to offer.

Kate can raise a lot of anger.
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Now it is my turn to laugh, you misread me. Of course I know London is not all of Europe, I ought to, I am British! I did not spend all my time worrying about Kate, I was on vacation with relatives and friends in different parts of Britain and also travelled to France and Spain...errr...I believe that is Europe too?
Out of interest, after being on this site for a long time, I naturally asked friends if they had heard about her and yes, I did all the stately homes etc, I did not spend 24/7 talking about Kate. Plus, I am in touch constantly with England via webcam and e-mails.
I did not visit London, however, did that many times before.

Tami said...

So folks, don't be surprised if all 8 of those children are moved to a more private school where they will be protected by school officials vs the leak in the press about the tups.

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The school didn't leak anything to the press! The school has NEVER put out one word about the kids.
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Definitely. If anything, the leak was from Jon and Ellen wanting everyone to know that these kids are suffering from this show, or someone the two of them know, or a disgruntled nanny or other employee, etc. It could be a relative of a TLC crew person, who was told by their spouse or whatever, for all we know. It does not appear to have anything to do with the school. I don't even think another parent from the school would know the whole story because let's face it: What kindergarten student is going to come home and know the details of a classmate's discipline issues?

Not a Fan of Gosselin Parents said...

We heard the school leaked the story. Someone who worked there told a news mag that all the kids are on probation. We don't know, we only know that the house is up for sale to the right person with the $1M plus.

People who work for schools talk, thinking it is being held "confidential" but you know how that works.

We don't think it is Jon as the Judge is angry with him, we do know that. He has made some faux pauxs in this neighborhood already.

Lindsay said...

Know what is sad??? I used to REALLY despise Octomom and make loads of fun of her, however I've realized she has more integrity than Kate does..

Minnesota Mamma said...

silimom said...

How sad that her father is a minister and this is the message she was taught - that Christ/God's love is conditional, that you are saved by works not by the grace of God. I'm not sure what bible they're reading but it isn't the one my church uses.
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With all due respect, I don't necessarily think this is the message she was taught, I think this is just another method she uses to control the children. Think about it, it seems as if ALL of the messages of Christianity have been lost on her. I don't think it's her dad's fault or her church's fault. She owns her own dark soul and she'll be the one to answer for it eventually.

nolovelost said...

@Tammi said:
Definitely. If anything, the leak was from Jon and Ellen wanting everyone to know that these kids are suffering from this show, or someone the two of them know, or a disgruntled nanny or other employee, etc. It could be a relative of a TLC crew person, who was told by their spouse or whatever, for all we know. It does not appear to have anything to do with the school. I don't even think another parent from the school would know the whole story because let's face it: What kindergarten student is going to come home and know the details of a classmate's discipline issues?

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Well, if i was the parent of the child/children who were bullied by these two, if, indeed, that was what happened, you can bet DAMN sure I would be flapping my mouth about it! "Celeb" or not!

Can't See Sheep said...

Hetti/UK said...
She does not spend a penny on herself. She has so many contracts with not only TLC but I just read with ABC (maybe that is why Barbara Walters won't let anyone talk about her kids being expelled) and CBS (with the skating show) and NBC with the Emmy show plus she does have offers from Europe, who are crazy about her, to do commercials for beauty products. How about all that?
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How about that??? Oh good grief where do I start. I keep my eyes on Europe a lot & kate doesn't have the sophistication to appeal to anything but the trashiest of the trashy on any continent. European fasion & beauty houses have reputations to uphold that go a long way back, they're not just out to make cash, so I don't believe we'll see the likes of Frankenkreider doing anyting for places such as Dior, Estee Lauder, etc. unless it's scrubbing their toilets & even then I kinda doubt it.

Why on earth would any of them use her in an attempt to sell beauty where there are easily more than a dozen truly women who are actually qualified for the job on their "rolodex". Sorry, but plastic orange skin is not in this season. There are very few women anywhere 35+ advertising anything to do with beauty & the women that are, are truly beautiful, Isabella Rossellini comes to mind. The standard of European beauty has not plummeted to such desperate depths.

Yes, they love their horses but unless someone is planning on selling horse face kate as a new ppolo pony to prince Charles, I seriously doubt she'll be seen in European magazines or TV, unless it really is for the trashiest of the trash.

Dunwoody Mom said...

because let's face it: What kindergarten student is going to come home and know the details of a classmate's discipline issues

How about the parents of the classmates who were bullied by the Gosselin kids? I'm sure they didn't sign a "confidentiality agreement".