Jon's Update on the Hearing Issued October 15

As you may or may not be aware, I have been working for some time to remove my children from television. I do not believe being on TV is beneficial to any of them. They are no longer toddlers that are oblivious to what is going on around them. They are now six and ten, in school and desperately in need of a normal life.

Each of them has experienced negative effects of having their lives so public. Some are struggling with emotional and/or behavioral issues. My goal for my children is for them to have a normal childhood, and gain back their much deserved privacy. This is not about money, this is about my children. No amount of money is worth the price my children are paying. You cannot put a price on childhood. Money comes and goes, but you only have one childhood.

For those questions about money and support, I can say I am supporting my children to the best of my ability. All parties involved know the truth about this. I am and have been actively seeking employment. I have been barred from accepting entertainment deals that would generate income for my family due to contractual obligations. I am also actively looking for a job outside of the entertainment industry and so far, have not secured a position. In the mean time, I have been focusing on spending time with my children and providing a safe, stable, normal and private environment for them!

On October 13, 2010, I went to court to act in the best interest of my children- to remove them from television. The judge respectfully denied my plea, and granted filming rights to their mother. I honor the judge’s decision, but I do not support it. I will not stop fighting to remove my children from television. It is not a child’s job to support themselves, or a lifestyle, they need to be kids. I would like to apologize to my friends, family, and especially my children for not taking a stand earlier in my life and not questioning my decisions to have our lives documented and displayed. I will have to answer to my children for the rest of my life. I will have to live with this guilt the rest of my life. I am truly sorry!

139 comments:

zee said...

AMC's facebook page is here. Paul P. posts there.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=84522815674

MickeyMcKean said...

The games have begun. Jon tweeted the above message and now Kate's attorney is saying on ROL that Jon violated a court order.

Well guess what, only Jon and Kate have the right to make parental decisions regarding these 8 children, no television network should be involved whatsoever.

But yet TLC will lose millions if they do not back up Kate in every way, especially in a court of law. No doubt they will do everything they can to stop Jon again.

This is just the beginning ... meanwhile there are 8 kids who are suffering because they are forced to keep working to support the family and TLC's stockholders.

STAY STRONG JON! I SUPPORT YOU!

JMO

nolovelost said...

Poor Jon. My heart breaks for his man and his children. I hope he has a good shrink, a good woman and, most importantly right now, a good attorney.

Geri said...

I truly believe Jon's heart is in the right place regarding those kids. Will Kate EVER admit the harm she has caused those kids? Will she ever feel guilt about it?
Jon admits he feels immense guilt over not acting on their behalf early in their lives and will have to live with that - you can almost feel his pain reading his words.
God bless those kids. Don't give up, Jon. I wish we knew the name of the judge who gave filming rights to Kate so that we could bombard him with letters.

So Phoney said...

I feel really bad for Jon and the kids, and cannot understand why any judge would allow continued filming of the kids and give all the authorization to that crazy bitch. It is just unbelievable.

I wonder if it had something to do with the fact that jon does not have a steady job.

Also it sounds like he is still under some type of contract with TLC. My god how long does this contract run, when is it going to end so he can finally get out from under their thumb.

I think JOn needs to go back to court for specific visitation rights to his kids requesting, every weekend and all summer long
if he is granted that it should also reduce his child support and he could stop the filiming of the kid when he is excersing his visitation rights.

just my opinion.

Kit said...

I sincerely hope he means everything he says.

We all make mistakes in our lives, and he has made some whoppers, unfortunately blatantly in the public eye. We are all also entitled to learn and grow from our mistakes. I hope this represents a true understanding and maturity on his part, and that he will continue down the path of seeking the best for his children. Even if he can't stop the filming, and the consequent negative impact, his continued presence, stability, and love can go a long way toward mitigating the damage.

Best to him and the children...

MaggieL said...

OMG! What kind of a judge would deny this request? I am HEARTSICK for those children and Jon. Anybody know how to find out the name of this judge?

And that noise you hear in the background is the collective bleating of the sheeple in their sad and sanctimonious celebration of this as a victory.

A4Eliz said...

Now K8s lawyer is saying Jon is in violation of an order to protect the kid's privacy because of his tweets. How can anyone say K8 respects the kids privacy by allowing this abuse to go on. The lack of regulation over children in reality shows is just so wrong. If the children were being monitored by an outside party while filming there could be testimony that the show is damaging to them.

PatE said...

What's the name of the judge? What a moron.

MareDevon said...

Reposted:
Well, after reading that all I can accept is that Kate is truly only all about the money. She wants to live the life that she feels she deserves. Million dollar houses, expensive grocery stores, high end shopping (buying the tackiest cheap looking crap you can find), and pricey automobiles. She probably feels quite unstoppable right now, she and TLC feel as long as people love her or hate/despise her, the money will keep rolling in.

At this point, I can't be bothered with money hungry Kate. I only care about the kids and Jon. Kate Plus 8 is a vehicle to make money solely for Kate. She knows who her audience is and what to do to keep them talking either for her or against her.

MareDevon said...

When she blasted Jon on Regis and Kelly totally makes sense now. She was playing to her base, while digging her hooker heels into a gagged Jon, she could wip up the lovers & haters alike. It only worked to a small degree, but unfortunately it still worked. The filming will continue, TLC will pay magazines to write articles about her, and shop the show to foreign markets, her agent will continue to book her for appearances, and the Jon bashing will continue. She's predictable, and I'm at a point where I am truly indifferent to Kate. She's living in a materialistic fantasy world, where money takes care of everything.

MareDevon said...

Long story short. Kate has TLC's back and vice versa. She will use those kids for her own personal gain or game as we're learning. Jon is their common enemy. To get her off the air it will probably be a good idea to feign indifference to her and only support Jon and the kids. She isn't going anywhere and will fight to keep the kids front and center as long as she gets a reaction out of us.

ciao for now said...

I'm beginning to think it's futile to even care anymore. What good will come of continued filming? Do the kids even have any say in this? I'm tuning out because it's so not worth it anymore. I'm sorry those kids have a horrible mother, but my wanting something better for them has done nothing for them.

Alice Bluegown said...

bonehead said...
Is that Judge being paid off by TLC/Kate or is he a MORON. How could he rule in favor of Kate! Did he not watch the recent shows and the underlying abuse Kate has been doing to those kids? Is he blind? Jon wanted to get off TV 2 years ago. Or is the Judges wife a Kate sheeple? Did you all see that TLC has Jon by the balls, he can't make any public appearances, or go on talk shows. How unfair is that. Geez, what kind of contract did they sign? It smells of Kate, doing a dirty deed with TLC, to get her way. And she got it. I also read the show is to come back around November 14th. I really hate that woman.
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We have all seen the "talking heads" (like Nancy Grace, ET, Baba Wawa, etc.) who have spoken out so vehemently against Jon are the people know the very least about him and the whole Gosselin situation.

That Judge who ruled in favor of keeping the kids on TV probably doesn't know squat about any of them.

I wonder if any Judge has talked with the kids or seen any of the evidence that shows how these kids are treated?

So many opinions and so little knowledge keep Kate where she is. It is wrong.

diane ri said...

hi just cannot beleive that katey would let this continue if she realizes the lime light has dimmed out people are quite aware of her intentions are for her why can she continue to do what she wants we need to start a letter writing campagain to get this diaster waste of film off the air it is forceful filming of children look what happen at the discovery place

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Oprah often quotes Maya Angelou as saying: " When you know better, you do better."

It appears that Jon finally knows better and is trying to do better and I wish him all the luck in the world in his efforts to protect those 8 kids.

Unfortunately, I don't think Kate will ever know better. Those poor kids.

Don't give up, Jon.

Canuck said...

I honestly think this situation will resolve itself sooner rather than later. It would appear that Kate has lost any misguided appeal she might have had and the kids are simply no more interesting than any one else's kids at this point. I agree with all who have posted that Kate has burned far too many bridges - been too rude, lied too often, tried to squeeze herself into the realm of true celebrities. It looks to me as though she's been shunned. Nevertheless, I am as disgusted as everyone with this judge's decision and I really hope it gets a lot of press - NEGATIVE press - to add to what's already out there about this self-centred, money-grubbing, nobody. Only lack of interest will stop this now.

pinkdiamond611 said...

First off kudos to Jon. Jon, continue to make your children your first priority, and give them unconditional love. Keep the faith.
Secondly, the judge ruling could be based solely based on the divorce agreement. The Kart probably has all the rights and Jon signed them all away, for whatever reason.
It all comes back to not watching the show for any reason whatsoever, the same goes for clicking on any links pertaining to the Kart. No clicks no interest no kids working.

Hippie Chick said...

I posted this elsewhere, but we have to remember; the fact is TLC may be canceling the show anyways! Kate is sinking fast too. Jon's heartfelt plea that the kid's do not want to film anymore & the fact that Kate still wants to might be enough for the people still on the fence to say "What is wrong with this woman" & stop watching. There goes another 500,000 viewers. TLC says BYE-BYE. That's what I'm thinking anyways!

Ohio Buckeye said...

Can anyone here give a legal opinion on this? Upon what legal basis did the judge make this ruling?

PA target parent said...

I’ve been a reader of this blog for quite sometime, but never posted before. I am a mom who lost custody of my two children 10 years ago, and have been the target parent of parental alienation by their father. The judge that awarded custody of my kids to their father is a friend of one my husband’s family members, in a neighboring county to Berks. Judges can be paid off – I know. Judges don’t always care about the best interest of the children, to them, it’s a job, and if TLC has so much influence on everything, you can bet they’re involved in the courts decision someway.

When I read these blogs and articles about Kate and Jon, what Kate is doing to the kids IS parental alienation! I was appalled with her commentary about Jon on the Regis & Kelly show – that was pure classic parental alienation. My ex-husband is very narcissistic, just like Kate, only caring about themselves and how THEY’RE going to benefit.

I feel sorry for Jon and the situation he’s in. I know what it’s like to want to help your children so bad, and feel so helpless against the court and custodial parent. Yes, Jon may have made bad choices, but who hasn’t? We’re all human, and we all make bad choices at one time or another. From what I can see, Kate has made many more bad choices than Jon has, and IS still making them. At least Jon can admit the mistakes he’s made, and try to move forward; Which is more that I can say for Kate.

It’s really a sad situation for the Gosselin kids. My heart really goes out to them. I hope Jon has a good attorney and is prepared to spend a lot of money in court. Kate is NOT a good mom, and does NOT have the best interest of her children at heart – you can see it because it’s oozing out of her pores. It infuriates me that the courts and judges continue to let this happen to children who deserve a better life than the one that is chosen for them by someone who doesn’t know them or how they may be suffering.

PatK said...

I'm a little confused. What is the hearing in November for? Custody issues? Was Wednesday's hearing something totally separate from that?

Gardenias and Orange Blossoms said...

Bonehead said: Did he not watch the recent shows and the underlying abuse Kate has been doing to those kids?

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I really doubt that the judge sits at home on Monday night, glued to the television to watch the show.

At this point we don't know what kind of evidence was introduced as proof that the children are being harmed by filming. This was a hearing; not a court trial. Most likely he presented his arguments for pulling the plug on the show. Did he have sufficient evidence? Was he well represented or did he try to do this on his own? If so, why? I wish a transcript of the hearing would be made public. That doesn't seem likely, however, since her attorney claims he was in violation of a gag order. If it's a matter of court record, would this be sealed?

Hopefully this is not over. If an appeal is possible, I would think that Jon would get together more ammunition to present his case. He cannot let this go. There are eight lives depending on it.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Another random thought: It is interesting that this statement is far more articulate than the verbal skills Jon has demonstrated to date.

flower said...

God Bless Jon.......

NoUse4Kate said...

Wow, what a post. I haven't read through the comments yet, haven't snooped around the net about this, but kudos to you Jon. Your children will see in the long run that you did fight for them and love you even more for that. Shame on the judge for not thinking in the best interest of those children. :(

Midnight Serenade said...

Another random thought: It is interesting that this statement is far more articulate than the verbal skills Jon has demonstrated to date.

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That's the very first thing I noticed. Perhaps he had a "ghost writer" by his side.

Jen said...

I think this statement from Jon is heartfelt and so sad a judge ruled against him. Someone commented that they hoped this would get negative press...and it has on dlisted, only dilisted spun it as if to say "Jon is broke and needs money so keep filming the kids." Makes no sense but dlisted seemed to be writing in favor of Kate.

Scruffy's Mom said...

Me thinks that Jon is under contract with TLC for as long as the children are being filmed.

KatesDirtyFlintstoneFeet said...

Now, Jon should be asked to be on The View!!!!

stopthemadness said...

I don't have to feign indifference to kate, I don't give a crap about her.

The only thing, the ONLY THING that will get these kids off the air at this point is to refuse to watch, to refuse to click, and to refuse to support or be part of anything to do with their celebrity.

THAT shouldn't be confusing. This is a business, as long as TLC feels Kate has watchers - whether pro or con - they will continue with this up to and including putting the sextuplets into a colliseum with a lion. How much more do they have to do to prove that?

They've already detroyed this family. Watching kate on DWTS, even if only to ridicule her, watching this show, if only to find more ways that she disgusts you, all feeds into their belief that there are those interested enough to tune in.

The answer is, tune out. Just don't go there. TLC will find another way to try and pimp her, or them, but if no one is interested, it's a pretty simple equation, profit = revenue minus cost. When it becomes more costly for them to shoot than the money they bring in, their financial controllers will insist they drop this show and if there's no market for it, she won't get another.

It's not rocket science.

Sobby McFibberpants said...

Wow, do the kids need to call TLC 'Daddy' now? I never thought I'd see the day when corporate America would be in the business of purchasing childhoods.

This garbage of suing Jon for violating HIS kids privacy is a joke! I've seen them on tv pooping for goodness sake! Since when does a judge decide if a parent can speak in public for their minor child? Jon's tweet to help salvage what is left of their childhoods should be applauded. Instead Mooma sends her lawyer out for some more of Jon's blood? Great parenting hag!

I find solace in the fact that these kids will someday decide which retirement home to put her in! I've got a feeling mommy will be living in the Economy Class Home, while daddy gets to live out his life with one or more of the children. Ha Ha Ha Happy Retirement Kate!

Dennysmomma said...

One can only hope that somehow this latest ruling can work in his favor. If all of those "curious" viewers who tune in to see Kate behaving badly finally realize that the only way to get this show off the air is to stop watching, perhaps they will, in fact, STOP WATCHING!

I hope Jon appeals to a higher court. This doesn't have to be over yet, by any means. It's not the final nail in the coffin.

MareDevon said...

Exactly. I know people don't like being told what to do. I completely understand that I do, I do. Yet, not watching, not reading etc... is the only way. Kate/TLC (at this point they are interchangeable, she has sold herself to them, and is dragging those kids along) will continue to film and push her in the public eye as long we gawk and rubberneck.

Sobby McFibberpants said...

In one of the newer episodes, I read(I never watch) that Mady said "No one cares about me, I wish I was dead."
I was shocked that this statement came out of a 10 year old, and even more shocked that her mother has no problem selling, and making a profit off of Mady's pain.
If that didn't strike a chord with the masses and signal the time has come to get these kids off of TV and into therapy, then I am afraid nothing will.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

Why can't a judge see fit to do something about TLC owning Jon and his future? It is in everyone's best interest that he be able to find work. MONEY talks and that is why kate has gotten her way again. She'll pay for it in the future. It seems to me that Jon is being as low profile as possible and this letter does sound sincere. Isn't there an attorney out there that would take this case and help Jon break the ties that TLC has him bound with?
Ugh, I can't wait to see that whore's bubble busted!!!

Canadian Mom said...

*evil snicker*

Kate's reputation among those she coveted (celebrities)was not exactly all sunshine and rainbows to begin with, but now?

She will be publicly s-h-r-e-d-
d-e-d and NO ONE will want to come near her.

Jon thanx for providing the rope.

*I actually fear for her life for the first time...EVER.

CakeIsGreat said...

Poor kids. It seems Mady and Cara were over filming a while ago, it was only a matter of time until the 'Tups were too. Great that Jon has finally seen the light, too bad he can't do anything about it. I'm not surprised though. Charlie Sheen (I know, I know not the picture of perfection but still) try and block his daughters from being on Denise Richards show because he hated the idea of kids on reality TV. All he got was a "limit" on how much they could be on, and he's the more famous/rich/"powerful" of the two. I think she argued it was her
everyday life and her girls are apart of her everyday life and she had a "right" to include them and do this to make money now that she's a single mom, blah, blah, blah. Sound familiar? Of course Jon lost. A judge would actually have to watch the show or hear from the kids in order to side with him. And of course there's no way those kids could state they want off TV and go home and live with Kate. She'd make their lives hell and I'm sure they (at least Mady & Cara) know it.

Jennifer said...

"Stopthemadness" is right. The only hope those kids have is to stop watching the show. If you truly are concerned about the children, don't tune in!
Hopefully, the show won't come back. I felt so sad for the kids when I read that statement from Jon.

Tami said...

And again, why was it ok for Kate to go on talk shows and DWTS and cry publicly about the custody case but Jon has to shut up? If the courts can't see the double standard and unfairness of this whole thing, they are worthless.

Tami said...

Why can't every tape of her speaking of it in public be brought up?

Marie France said...

Midnight Serenade said...
Another random thought: It is interesting that this statement is far more articulate than the verbal skills Jon has demonstrated to date.
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That's the very first thing I noticed. Perhaps he had a "ghost writer" by his side.
10/15/2010 4:51 PM
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Yes, I noticed that immediately as well. I think that Ellen Ross, his girlfriend may have helped him compose it. She has a blog ellenross.blogspot.com

Try the Off Button! said...

The people who continue to watch this show share in the guilt just asa much as Kate. The kids want to be done. The dad wants it done. People continue to support it by tuning in. Sad.

Tami said...

Why does Kate's lawyer sit around following Jon on Twitter anyway? He has no life. It appears the judge is starstruck like so many misguided twits. He probably actually believes her press and negative press against Jon, because I can't see how anyone can look at this objectively and rule the way he did.

Button Button said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
Another random thought: It is interesting that this statement is far more articulate than the verbal skills Jon has demonstrated to date.

10/15/2010 4:25 PM

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Jon really speaks very poorly "on the fly." With time to think about what he wants to say, he evidently does better. Someone probably helped him with statement, but that doesn't bother me.

I wish he could have some statements ready, like Kate does.

She often has the words all lined up for what she wants to say, and someone surely helps her too, because she isn't good at "on the fly" either.

In the Legal World said...

Some legal background on this fiasco: Alledgely J & K signed the original contract with TLC with no lawyer representing them. Greed for the money at that time, they jumped at all of this, which tied them up for years. I have no idea how many, but this is a Contract...offer from TLC, acceptance by J & K and then money to seal the contract....okay that was the beginning of the end of a family raising 8 children. I believe, not certain, that if the show was
renewed each season based on popularity then $$$ per episode was increased because that is probably all K & J asked for when signing up with TLC. Never did either parent stipulate that if the children did not want to appear because they did not enjoy it, were embarassed, not in the children's best interest, it would end. Never was that stipulated because that would be Jon's out...

The money was increased and Khate loved the limelight. You all know the rest or some of it.

TLC has the contract, signed by K & J and that is apparently what was discussed in court yesterday and the decision made in favor of TLC and the mother.

IF Jon had good lawyers, statements by Counselors, School Teachers, Psychologists about the torment some of the 8 are experiencing, which obviously he did not, there would not have beeen an immediate decision by the Judge.

Jon needs some good lawyers, appeal to have his children see psychologists who work with children, but Khate will put up every roadblock unless people who care and see the problems from school, former employees, family members who have been approached by the children asking for help.

The day will come and perhaps shortly, as you and I saw on some of the recent shows, those children are sad, angry and treated so poorly by their mother.

So Jon can't sleep at night worrying about his children and Khate drives 60 miles to a very expensive area to buy expensive groceries that the children may never see/eat and she has ful make up, hair done and a TLC P people to follow her and take photos which are sold to the internet.

Please do not watch her on anything on TV or the children. It will be the end of the reality show, etc.

For anyone thinking they can sign a document without an atty, think twice.

Here Come Da Judge said...

Never did either parent stipulate that if the children did not want to appear because they did not enjoy it, were embarassed, not in the children's best interest, it would end. Never was that stipulated because that would be Jon's out...

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I thought that it was stipulated, and that this is how Jon was able to previously end the filming.

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Canadian Mom, I'm glad to see you posting. I hope you are feeling ok.

It's heartening to see here the support for Jon's wish to have the filming of his children stopped.

I have not watched the Gosselin shows since before their fifth birthday and I have not watched TLC at all since last winter. I will continue to boycott TLC as it really is the only thing I have in my power to do.

My hope is that Kate will flame out sooner rather than later although I fear that the damage to those children has already been done.

sueshe said...

I pray that Jon will be able to achieve his goal of giving his kids the privacy/childhood they so deserve. I can only imagine the impact this has on them. Life is to be enjoyed, not exploited. Not only do they have to deal with cameras in their faces, but they also have to deal with a family torn apart by a greedy, all about me, sob, sob, mother.
I hope things change for Jon and his kids soon.
I hope the ratings continue to drop. I have not, nor will I watch this ridiculous show that should of been terminated well over a year ago.....TLC loves to destroy marriages and families.....

Barbra said...

At one point Kate stated that at the point that anyone no longer wished to do the show, it would end. At the end of Season 4 Jon stated how uncomfortable he was with the show and made a comment to the effect of 'maybe we'll be back, maybe we won't' to which Kate with her usual dictatorial attitude stated something to the effect of 'the show has to continue'. If she doesn't see that the majority of the kids don't enjoy the constant continual intrusion into their lives then she IS as ignorant as she appears to be.

Barbra said...

A question I've never seen addressed is even though it is wrong to 'use' children to further ones own ambition, Kate is allowed to do so while Jon is denied an equal opportunity to make money off THEIR children. WHO has the right to give one parent exclusive rights to their children, when THAT parent is the one notoriously exploiting them?

diane ri said...

the fact that at the end of season 4 jon wanted to end the show and kate repliy was "we have some ironing to do" i think jon saw the filming no longer was appropriate for himself and the family yet kate likes the $ and all the publcity that gave with the show which was fueled by tlc sponsors ect... some of us realized this right away i havent been one to watch on tlc rather utube but if jon feels his children have had enough why hasnt anyone validated his concerns, the children throwing up on tv i thought it sounded like o the dog threw up kate realyy does not have the children best intrests in mind its like a freak show

Can't See Sheep said...

Oh wow, so many thoughts on this, first good for Jon! Yay Jon! Do not be discouraged by this judge. Secondly, it isn't impossible to dislike kate even more. Suprise! May she, TLC & all the other adults involved in keeping the children on the air, rot.

Ohio Buckeye, it woudln't suprise me one bit to know that Ellen helped Jon with his statement. I've read her blog starting awhile back & she is a very articulate young woman & does seem older than her years. She is very strong.

What sane, unbiased judge puts forth such a ruling. What idiot decides that it's better for 6 year olds to work. This is not the industrial revolution. TLC & kate probably lied about the number of hours they film although a simple look into things would prove otherwise. Did the court even speak to the children to see if any of this was true? I mean if a parent is concerned shoudln't that be a red flag to the court?

I wonder if TLC has ever contributed to the judge's electoral funds. Are the judges in PA elected or appointed?

Can't See Sheep said...

TLC should have no parental rights over the children, unfortunately kate keeps handing them hers on a golden platter in exchange for her "fame & fortune". Jon does not just have kate for an ex to contend with he has a kate/ TLC monster amalgamation & he will have that to deal with until kate is no longer profitable to TLC, that is his ex.

IF Jon is reading this he needs to get intouch with Paul Petersen, I have a feeling that he will see that things get done & that Jon get appropriate representation. Perhaps Jon's actual calling in life is child advocacy, he'll be well experenced at it when all is said & done.

I agree with those that said kate will hang herself, goodness knows we've all handed her enough rope. Time & the twins are what she & TLC need to watch out for. It's not "If" this all comes out, it's when. Yes they will try to keep the twins muzzled, but I believe the twins will have themselves heard after all they've been through. I say twins, because, yes, Mady will certainly make herself heard, but I've also seen a number of the quiet children who've stood up & said "no more". They've kept silent, bided their time & then WHAM out of seemingly nowhere the offenders are caught off guard. At the very least, I believe that Cara will support Mady when she speaks out.

silimom said...

Re: Judges ruling - It was up to Jon and his attorney to make a strong case as to why filming was detrimental to his children. Apparently, Jon did not make a srong enough case. He can always return to court and make the case again. IMO, if he is truly serious about taking his children off, he should contact A Minor Consideration and Rep. Tom Murt. They will certainly help him and his attorney make a better case.

Part of the problem is that going to court costs $$$ which Jon does not have.

As for the judges ruling, I don't think it's all that uncommon a ruling. Kate has all the current legal protections afforded children in this situation in place. The children's physical needs are being met. That's probably about as deep as he looked into the situation.

And remember a few years back, Charlie Sheen went to court to keep his daughters off Denise Richards' show and the judge ruled in Denise's favor. And that was in CA with better child labor laws and they each probably had good attorneys.

Regardless, the show is on its last legs anyway so Jon has lost nothing by trying to force the issue and has even gained some improved reputation, in fact. Best thing to do? Ignore the whole thing, make Kate and the kids irrelevant.

PatE said...

Jon needs to go back to his father's lawyer...the one that defended him on TV.

Misty said...

What I find disturbing about this is that Khate's lawyer is giving statements to ROL. Is it just me or does everyone else think that right there makes this less than credible?

My other comment/question is that does anyone know the next court date? I live close enough, I would gladly stand outside the court house with a sign that said "Free the Gosselin 8"

Hippie Chick said...

I tweeted Jon:

U have many supporters! Keep fighting! Those kids will thank u 4 it. Get them an advocate 2 show they h8 filming. I'm behind u

He knows he has support, hopefully he gets those kids an advocate/lawyer or something, but like I said, TLC is probably canceling her stupid show anyways.

Phyllis in Philly said...

I'm sorry if I sound cynical here, but although everything Jon said is admirable, I can't help but be suspicious of his motives for saying it. The first time Jon tried to keep them from filming the kids it was just a ploy to gain leverage over TLC, and as soon as it failed, he abandoned his "fight" for the kids' privacy. IF he was truly advocating for his kids he would've kept on fighting down to his last dime. Instead he took the payoff TLC offered him and shut up. Now he's back at it. Nope, sorry, I wish I could believe he's on the up and up but I can't.

tigerfan said...

If Kate Gosselin was of the ability and talent to maintain a 'celebrity' status and career on her she would; but SHE and her PR team knows full well that she CANNOT. Thus, the Gosselin children are FORCED to continue to work in order to fulfil and maintain the status and lifestyle that Kate CANNOT acheive and acquire all on HER own. Period.

silimom said...

If I were Jon, I would do the following -

Go back to court and ask that the court appoint an independent child advocate to insure that during filming the children's rights are being protected.

Reasoning? Kate, while their mother and one who obviously cares for her children, does have a conflict of interest in that her continued employment on the show is predicated on their children's involvement. Also, the co-parenting relationship between the two is strained and neither one is necessarily being the most objective at the moment and may be allowing their personal differences to compromise their decision making where the kids are concerned.

The advocate would only need to be present during filming and also during any contract negotiations involving or concernong their children.

Jon needs to work within the system at this point to protect his children. AMC and Paul Peterson can certainly advise him of the protections he can request that are reasonable to ensure his children's well being. I have to believe that court would rule in the best interests of the children, especially, again, if the requests are reasonable.

Amy2 said...

WHAT IF....the children have a lawyer to represent them to get them out of the contract and off TV. The match up would be the children fighting for their freedom vs. their mother and TLC. Now that would have enormous media coverage. This would give Kate the media attention she craves, only the wrong kind of attention. It would expose TLC for the greedy corporation they are. It would be so perfect if Paul Peterson and Gloria Alred represented the children.

Judge + TLC + Kate = WTHeck?... said...

WOW! That Judge should be ashamed of himself! May he toss and turn at night and he has nightmares! Every dollar that has went to exploit the G8 is blood money.
I just can't understand why kate and jon didn't negotiate TLC buying the McMansion! It should of been held in trust in the KIDS NAME! It is their house, they bought it with the money they worked off from their backs.
Jon's twitter was hard to read without sobbing. I checked my twitter account and I had clicked to follow Jon along time ago and I reread his tweets. He did not have the kids last weekend but just a couple of days ago he had a spagetti dinner with the kids. He really enjoyed it and the time he spent with his kids.
Team Jon Save the G8

lukebandit
I wish Jon would drink lite beer

Judge Moron, at your service TLC... said...

Hey Misty.

Please if you do go to the courthouse and make a sign, please make a sign and take a picture of it. You could lean the sign against a wall and just take a picture of it and you could still be Anonymous.

lukebandit
I wish Jon would drink lite beer

Brummygirl said...

There was a movie and I am sure a real life scenario, where a child divorced his parents and won.
Maybe that will be an *out* for the children if Mother Grim continues to exploit them.
Seriously though, if Jon has had these concerns over the children's mental state, why has he not brought in someone in authority to listen to them. He does have them on his own.
Would this be in violation of his alloted time with the children? I cannot see it being written in that he could not allow his children to talk to an advocate.
Just mulling here, trying to find a way out for the 8.

EnoughAlready:O said...

Marie France said...
Midnight Serenade said...
Another random thought: It is interesting that this statement is far more articulate than the verbal skills Jon has demonstrated to date.
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That's the very first thing I noticed. Perhaps he had a "ghost writer" by his side.
10/15/2010 4:51 PM
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Yes, I noticed that immediately as well. I think that Ellen Ross, his girlfriend may have helped him compose it. She has a blog ellenross.blogspot.com

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Actually some people are more articulate when writing then speaking.

1momski said...

Ok, I am just boiling mad. Jon must lawyer up and keep fighting, no matter how shattered he must feel right now.
TEAM JON PLUS 8!

Sheridan's Hotspot said...

I would be curious to know what the negative effects of filming that Jon presented as evidence. I think you would have to have something pretty serious--missing a lot of school, suffering from behavioral problems as documented by a case worker, etc. What we definitely have are kids who may be getting bratty, entitled, and aren't having as much fun as they should. Mady is a drama queen, but still probably not troubled enough to halt filming. Unfortunately, I don't think that would be enough "damage" to warrant cutting off the family's only source of income. Jon needs to get a job. Fast. Maybe he should fight TLC over the clauses that prevent him from working more than fighting Kate over the kids at this point. Nobody will take him seriously when he's unemployed, especially since he quit and wasn't downsized in the bad economy.

We all see trouble down the road with these kids. Lots of trouble. But at age 6 and 10, it hasn't manifested itself yet. Let's hope they all fade into obscurity before it does.

KB said...

Just a little information to consider:

The judge cannot use anything he/she has seen regarding the Gosselins that it not submitted before him as it creates bias. If they watch the show and see what we see, they can't say anything about it unless it is presented as evidence. With the show, editing can always be used as an arguement. It is all a bit tricky, but a judge can only rule on what is before them, they are supposed to leave all other thoughts and feelings at the door.

Sharla said...

I have swiffered for arguing and commenting on other people's opinions. You may express your opinion, but please do so without trying to be nasty or put down someone else for not agreeing or seeing something differently.

Thank you.

jonandkatewho? said...

I too was a victim of a biased judge some years ago. That said, I suppose it is normal that I do not have a high opinion of most judges. I don't like what this judge has decided, but I have to say the law must have given him enough leeway to do it. I don't believe it has anything to do with being bought by TLC (although that is possible too i suppose). If Kate is the custodial parent with some kind of primary custody, he may be somewhat limited in being able to tell her what to do with the kids. I am trying to be reasonable here.

I only hope Jon keeps fighting. I do hope he involves Paul Peterson. If he had the money perhaps he could mount a better legal battle. I hope he can somehow get the kids off tv.

BM and the "Living the Dream Mom" on the radio seem to think that the kids enjoy the filming and are having a great time, but even if they DO actually enjoy it, doesn't mean it's healthy for them mentally. I don't believe it is and I feel so badly for them. I hope Jon either wins in the end or TLC just cancels any shows with this family forever due to lack of interest. It's true the kids are not very interesting anymore, and Kate never was. She is absolutely despicable.

she is evil said...

The father of eight young children wants to put an end to them being filmed for a reality show because it is causing the kids emotional harm. Denied.

He is not the only one to feel this way. The childrens' aunt and uncle, the dad's girlfriend, Rep Murt, and A Minor Consideration have all publicly declared that filming has been detrimental to the kids. Dismissed.

There must be oodles of people in the know who have been silent because they do not wish to be harrassed, are afraid of being sued or have signed confidentiality agreements. Think of all the ex-friends, the relatives we don't hear about, the nannies, maids, and film crews who could all testify and give their input. Silence.

There are the eight kids who are too young, too dependent and I'd bet, too afraid, to speak up against their terrifying, controlling and self-serving mother. Only those people who have signed confidentiality agreements currently have access to these kids. Their isolation has been engineered by their mother and denies them access to caring adults and friends who could help them or offer suport, should they need it.

Conveniently, no one truly knows how the kids feel about filming, although Kate claims they love it. She also claims that the kids love the film crew and miss them when they're not around, yet somehow they do not like spending time with their own beloved father.

Then there's Kate, who wants to continue filming, claiming contractual obligation and financial need, which apparently trump the kids' well being since she inexplicably won the case in court. Even though the show is invasive and humiliating. Even though Kate mistreats the kids on camera and is said to be a neglectful and abusive parent.

What is wrong with this picture? What the hell is going on here? I do not get it AT ALL. It's a travesty.

ChurchMouse said...

"jonandkatewho? said...
BM and the "Living the Dream Mom" on the radio seem to think that the kids enjoy the filming and are having a great time..."

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Filming a series is work. Anyone who knows anything about the Entertainment Industry knows that.

The audience only sees the finished product, not the hours and hours of waiting, doing retakes, shooting from different angles, etc. It can be very wearing, even for adults. I wish that Madame Baby Mama would be able to spend a day shooting, not just visiting, but actually doing the job for the day.

Gosselin8ComeFirst said...

Might be going out on a limb here, but is seems that the "BMs" who adore Kate are interested in validating their role as mothers. Most women don't need validation regarding all of the work that goes into motherhood. But to "adore" a woman on TV who chose to have multiple births, and then publisize the hardship every step of the way 6 years later, considering her choices, I can only guess that the "BMs" of the world are desparately striving for validation with regard to their mother roles. Anyone who watches/watched the show knows that she is all about herself, uses her kids to make money, in spite of prior proclamations that they would stop filming if "anyone no longer wanted to film."

Clearly, this is not the case, but the "BMs" of the world try to validate Kate, ignoring what is best for her kids. Adoring a woman's behavior which is shown as self-absorbed, and all of the signals of problems that the kids are having, let alone time not being filmed, indicates to me that some of these people are trying to validate/ glorify their motherhood, perhaps due to insecurity. And ignore the children's best interest. How else could anyone relate to Kate and her selfish behaviors. A role model? How scary is that?

Furthermore, I agree, not watching this show is the best remedy to put an end to the exploitation of children who have had no say, and have to had their personal lives scrutinized by classmates. What child would want this? Anyone who does not get that Kate is out for herself, has missed the boat.

I could care less what Kate does, but leave your kids out of it. Go it alone, see how popular you are by yourself. The kids did not sign up for this - you did. Shame on you Kate, as well as anyone who "adores" her behavior. She is no role model, so something must be missing in the fans' lives if they think Kate is a great role model. Just my opinion.

alana said...

she is evil said,

"The father of eight young children wants to put an end to them being filmed for a reality show..."


As I understand it better now three days later, the judge's ruling pertained only to which parent had the RIGHT to decide whether or not the children would continue to film. He was NOT ruling on whether or not the children WILL continue to film (or NOT), whether or not the children "love to be filmed and love the crew, b.s. b.s. b.s.", or whether or not working to support their mother's delusional addiction to attention is right and just.

Sadly for whatever reasons, the judge's ruling allows Hate to have total control over these monumental and life-altering decisions. And when Hate "wins," the children "lose."

I am convinced that the possibility of tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars changing hands in either the judge's or tlc's backroom throughout this entire UGLY SHAM no longer seems ridiculously farfetched. GREED is a powerful motivator.

MareDevon said...

After what TLC pulled on the guys from Deadliest Catch their behavior doesn't shock me in the slightest. That network is nothing but a bunch of loan sharks.

Barbra said...

WHY can't someone answer - WHAT gives any judge the RIGHT to ALLOW one parent the option of making money off THEIR kids BUT NOT the other parent? The operative words in that question are 'THEIR KIDS'! And since child exploitation is bad, DON'T allow EITHER parent to do it?

Jane in CA said...

If Kate Gosselin was of the ability and talent to maintain a 'celebrity' status and career on her she would; but SHE and her PR team knows full well that she CANNOT. Thus, the Gosselin children are FORCED to continue to work in order to fulfil and maintain the status and lifestyle that Kate CANNOT acheive and acquire all on HER own. Period.
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Exactly. While I despise Kate Gosselin for being a horrible mother and exploiting her children for financial gain, I do not wish her to be unable to make a living on her own. But the fact remains that Kate is not a personality that can carry and sustain a successful tv show - either as a reality show or as a host of a talk show, or as an actress. If she could have made it on her own, she would have.

Even Kate knows she cannot be successful in the industry on her own. That's why she had multiples and marketed them for the show.

But if TLC or any other network wants to give her a show of her own - I wouldn't boycott the advertisers, etc. I might even watch to enjoy the train wreck factor. I'm still waiting for the first episode of Twist of Kate (sans kids), but I don't see that on the fall line up anywhere. Until I see even one of those shows aired, I won't really believe the network has faith in Kate any more than I do.

Another poster said a few days back that he/she felt the Gosselin children had run the course of their popularity with the general public. I tend to agree with that. It's a known phenomenon that child actors (which is what these children basically are) have a short shelf life. They mature beyond a certain young age and the industry and audiences seem to lose interest and turn to the next child star instead.

Mady and Cara, who were never the highlight of the show anyway, are definitely beyond the cuteness factor. The other six, now approaching age 7, just sound a little stranger the longer they use babyish talk. Developmentally delayed youngsters do not a successful show make.

Questions said...

Barbra said...

WHY can't someone answer - WHAT gives any judge the RIGHT to ALLOW one parent the option of making money off THEIR kids BUT NOT the
other parent?


Is Jon wanting to make money off his kids? Am I misunderstanding? I don't believe what the judge actually said is available to the public, but I was under the impression that the judge granted filming rights to Kate. I didn't know Jon was asking to have filming rights as well. He says he wants his kids off TV.

wildflowers said...

Barbra said...
WHY can't someone answer - WHAT gives any judge the RIGHT to ALLOW one parent the option of making money off THEIR kids BUT NOT the other parent? The operative words in that question are 'THEIR KIDS'! And since child exploitation is bad, DON'T allow EITHER parent to do it?

I absolutely agree! Since when does the parental right to acknowledge and express concerns regarding the emotional and mental best interests of minor children become MORE about NETWORK contractual obligations, $$$, and ratings than the actual issue at hand, ie the PARENTAL RIGHT to express concerns regarding the emotional and mental well being of said children! IMO, the 'issue' seems to be more about contractual obligations and ONE parent (kate) and a network's continued desire to exploitat eight minor children then acknowledging the fact that the other parent ( Jon) could very well be speaking the TRUTH when he expresses concern regarding the continued filming of his children vs their current and long term emotional and mental stability.

Autumn Sunrise said...

WHAT gives any judge the RIGHT to ALLOW one parent the option of making money off THEIR kids BUT NOT the other parent? The operative words in that question are 'THEIR KIDS'! And since child exploitation is bad, DON'T allow EITHER parent to do it?
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The law gives the judge the right. They have 50/50 custody. He wants them to get them off television; she wants them to be filmed. In this case, the judge is the tie-breaker. This is not about whether filming is good or bad; whether the children are being harmed by filming; or whether filming is emotionally damaging to them. This is about who has the right to decide if they may be filmed. The judge decided in her favor. Jon even stated this in his tweet. This is not to say that the judge has an opinion one way or another on whether the kids remain on television. For all we know, he may be opposed to filming children for reality television, but without knowing what kind of evidence to the contrary was presented, we do not know why he made the decision that he did.

I don't believe for a minute that TLC paid him off. Can you imagine the stink that would come out of this if this were investigated and found to be true?

I hope that Jon files an appeal and goes armed with evidence and a tenacious attorney.

Hippie Chick said...

If Kate Gosselin was of the ability and talent to maintain a 'celebrity' status and career on her she would; but SHE and her PR team knows full well that she CANNOT. Thus, the Gosselin children are FORCED to continue to work in order to fulfil and maintain the status and lifestyle that Kate CANNOT acheive and acquire all on HER own. Period.
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I don't know who wrote this post, sorry, but I totally agree. Kate is completely & utterly useless IMO. She has zero discernible talent, & frankly, her kids have outgrown their "cuteness" factor also. TLC are grasping at straws if you ask me. This whole retooling of her show is a huge sign that Kate & her show are on the way out the door. After this display of UN-maternal instincts for her own children, for the fact that she wants her kids to work even though Jon says they do not want to, for the fact the she is basically MAKING them work so she does not have to, this my fellow friends, will be the big, fat, sharp spike in the coffin that is Kate's so-called career. TLC knows this. As I stated above, the viewers that were on the fence about the show will probably stop watching now (IF there's a show). The signs are everywhere. The biggest IMO were in People's mailbag; not ONE positive letter about her. She won't be on the cover again. Kate is soooo over. Buh-Bye.

Barbra said...

As I stated, I don't feel EITHER parent should be ABLE to exploit children, but all along Kate has been the only one allowed to film the kids (by the judge allowing HER to make that decision) and Jon has not been allowed to film the kids (by ???, TLC, denying HIM the right to make that choice by saying HE can not appear in any form of television?). He did at one point shut the kids down, then appeared to be bought off (and they were allowed back into filming but only with HER) and now again he is on the 'it's not so good for the kids' kick again. So it becomes sort of a question of are his motives all 'warm and fuzzy' or is it motivated by 'he's not getting any $$$$$$ out of it' so let's pull them off tv again. It still just smacks of once again Kate gets preferential treatment from whatever source she goes up against and that is just plan irritating! Recognize HER for what she is and bid her adieu!! (in ummm, kate-speak ummm, that's buh bye, babe!

ihatefrogs said...

What if the Gosselin 8, have been , are, and continue to express concerns and show signs that the continued filming and the presence of cameras in their life have/are negatively impacted them mentally and emotionally, but Kate, as the appointed 'decision maker' chooses to continue filming. Who then, may I ask, is representing the CHILDREN'S BEST INTEREST? Certainly not the court, TLC, or Mommy Dearest , their appointed 'decision maker'.

Pony said...

It appears that Kate has primary physical custody of the children, since they are much more often with her than with Jon. Lots of judges would rule that gives her the right to make the decisions about what the kids do when they are with her.

Widowed Young said...

Barbra said...
... He did at one point shut the kids down, then appeared to be bought off (and they were allowed back into filming but only with HER) and now again he is on the 'it's not so good for the kids' kick again. So it becomes sort of a question of are his motives all 'warm and fuzzy' or is it motivated by 'he's not getting any $$$$$$ out of it' so let's pull them off tv again.
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I don't think he was bought off so much as forced to do what TLC demanded or be ruined financially. He didn't have the resources to take on their lawsuit and he probably would have lost so he did what he had to at the time. No, I don't agree with him caving to TLC but I don't think he had a choice given his situation.

There has to be someway for him to protect his kids-as everyone has said how can the courts reinforce a television contract if it is not in the best interest of the kids involved? I wish he would get professional help for them when they are with him-Kate couldn't stop that.

Claudia said...

It seems the public just wants anything "Gosselin" to go away. After looking at a couple "neutral" sites mentioning Jon's tweet (Huffington Post, eOnline, etc.) and checking the comments - people are just tired of this mess. It's the best possible outcome for the 8 - no ratings boost out of this latest Gosselin battle.

WonderButton said...

The caliber of judges in PA can leave much to be desired. In Luzerne County (in northeastern PA, near Scranton/Wilkes-Barre) SEVERAL judges and county officials were involved in a scam that ruined lives of MANY young people. Some of them have recently been sentenced to jail for multiple years for this crime. The judges and their cronies were taking kick-backs for sentencing kids to juvenile detention centers. The more kids sent away, the more $$$ for everyone involved. Many kids were sent away for slight/silly offences.

It wasn't Luzerne, but in what county was this petition heard? Berks? Montgomery?

fidosmommy said...

Kate can continue filming the 8 as long as there is a contract signed by both parents. My understanding is that Jon signed a contract with TLC, and is being held to it. Period. The law takes signed contracts very seriously and they trump changes of mind. It could be that the judge's hands were tied on this one. Unless Jon can prove fraud or some other illegal maneuvering, it's probably set in stone until the contract expires.

I'm certainly no lawyer, so someone with more expertise may want to reply.

jibberjabbers said...

fidosmommy said...

Kate can continue filming the 8 as long as there is a contract signed by both parents. My understanding is that Jon signed a contract with TLC, and is being held to it.

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Didn't the current contract expire this month? Oct. 2012?

From what I read, the judge gave Kate the full decision to put the kids on TV. So Jon has no say.

So maybe Kate renew the kids contract w/o Jon signing it.

The judge respectfully denied my plea, and granted filming rights to their mother.

C said...

Are the kids threatened in some way by K to be "good" for the film crew, etc?

Vanessa said...

What gets me is that for some time now, behind closed doors, TLC has been dealing with Kate. They've been having meetings, conferences, pow-wows, whatever you call it. Not only do we have ONE narcissitic/sociopathic/greedy/ character flawed human being, but a TEAM of them. Sitting there in their boardrooms, LISTENING to her (just imagine what spews out of her mouth WITHOUT the interviewer/camera there?) and AGREEING WITH HER, CONSOLING HER, TELLING HER SHE'S RIGHT!!! Wow, just wow

mama san said...

watching local news station promoting the "mom" show that premieres tonight. Another show that K8 did not make as co-host. K8 didn't get any of the interview positions either. What can she qualify for? Oh, yes, mother of sextuplets, how unique?

CT MOM of 2 said...

Very sad.

It appears that Jon has finally seen the error of his ways. Too bad Kate can't see it.

WHY hasn't Jon found a job yet though? I believe that if he truly wanted employment in his field, he could get it. Maybe his salary expectations are unrealistic now that he's seen Hollywood salaries.... but he should take whatever job he can get while he looks for his dream job.

zoey said...

I am not divorced, but if I was and My childs father said NO to things involving the kids claiming it would Hurt him in anyway, i would just say FINE and find a new activity for the kid... and i would hope that he would do the same for me! It is completely selfish for Kate to not take Jon's feelings/opinion/perspective into concideration!

Tami said...

WHY hasn't Jon found a job yet though? I believe that if he truly wanted employment in his field, he could get it. Maybe his salary expectations are unrealistic now that he's seen Hollywood salaries.... but he should take whatever job he can get while he looks for his dream job.
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I disagree. As long as he is under some sort of contract where every bit of extra money he makes appears to be going to Kate, why should he? Once he can get a fair hearing for child support and only be made to pay what he can afford, he should just let TLC keep paying him. The ideal situation would be for Jon to get his fair share of custody and then Kate would not be getting such a big chunk of his pay to begin with. She should end up paying him!

my9cats said...

CT mom of 2 said....
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"WHY hasn't Jon found a job yet though? I believe that if he truly wanted employment in his field, he could get it. Maybe his salary expectations are unrealistic now that he's seen Hollywood salaries.... but he should take whatever job he can get while he looks for his dream job."


In today's economy even people who have kept up their skills are having major difficulties obtaining work, meanwhile more are being laid off. With Jon's notoriety it would be suprising if he did obtain employment. IMO right now the only way he could would be either through connections or an employer wants to be the one who hired Jon.

ronlee said...

How much is TLC paying Jon.....??
Anyone know?

Questions said...

zoey said...

I am not divorced, but if I was and My childs father said NO to things involving the kids claiming it would Hurt him in anyway, i would just say FINE and find a new activity for the kid


Unfortunately this particular "activity" is paying Kate an extremely high salary.

Merrilee said...

WonderButton said...
The caliber of judges in PA can leave much to be desired. In Luzerne County (in northeastern PA, near Scranton/Wilkes-Barre) SEVERAL judges and county officials were involved in a scam that ruined lives of MANY young people. Some of them have recently been sentenced to jail for multiple years for this crime. The judges and their cronies were taking kick-backs for sentencing kids to juvenile detention centers. The more kids sent away, the more $$$ for everyone involved. Many kids were sent away for slight/silly offences.

It wasn't Luzerne, but in what county was this petition heard? Berks? Montgomery?

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WonderButton, I so appreciate your post. I had wondered what had become of these people but I didn't remember enough of the particulars to be able to check into it.

How great to see that sometimes evil really is seen as evil, and receives just punishment.

Which brings me to this, Octomom's doctor may lose his license. About time!

This gives me hope that eventually Kate's exploitation of her children will end, and she may actually have to work for pay.

This can't happen soon enough.

Alice Bluegown said...

CT Mom of 2 said...


(snip)WHY hasn't Jon found a job yet though? I believe that if he truly wanted employment in his field, he could get it. Maybe his salary expectations are unrealistic now that he's seen Hollywood salaries.... but he should take whatever job he can get while he looks for his dream job.
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TLC is much more powerful than Jon, even if his intentions are pure.

He truly is doing the best he can AT THIS TIME.

Hopefully, things may change. This can't be soon enough.

Jane in California said...

my9cats said:
In today's economy even people who have kept up their skills are having major difficulties obtaining work, meanwhile more are being laid off. With Jon's notoriety it would be suprising if he did obtain employment. IMO right now the only way he could would be either through connections or an employer wants to be the one who hired Jon.
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I second this opinion. I have no idea what sort of job hunt Jon may be engaged in, but I do know that there just aren't a lot of jobs out there. Given what appears to be his mediocre skills in his field, it's not surprising that he couldn't land a job, even if he was hitting the pavement hard. Add on his notoriety, and you have a job candidate with another strike against him, as far as employers are concerned.

Jane in California said...

The judges and their cronies were taking kick-backs for sentencing kids to juvenile detention centers. The more kids sent away, the more $$$ for everyone involved. Many kids were sent away for slight/silly offences.
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I remember seeing a television show about this, and it was absolutely heart-breaking. I'm not saying that the judge in the Gosselin case is corrupt, but to think judges are above corruption is sadly not true.

I don't actually think TLC paid off the judge in the Gosselin case, but I do think that they paid for Kate's high-powered attorneys to represent her during the divorce and custody proceedings. On the other hand, Jon made a bad choice in allowing that one attorney anywhere near him, (can't remember the fellow's name), and had to walk into the hearing re custody, etc. basically representing himself. It was a David v. Goliath setting.

I don't know if Jon has obtained legal representation or if he is still representing himself. But the sad truth is that most people in complex legal proceedings, do better off when they have an experienced attorney representing them. Jon may not have the money to hire one, since I think any money he "receives" from TLC probably goes directly into Kate's bank account as "child support."

Autumn Sunrise said...

Tami said -- The ideal situation would be for Jon to get his fair share of custody and then Kate would not be getting such a big chunk of his pay to begin with. She should end up paying him!

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What custody are you talking about? Each has 50-50 legal custody; she has primary physical custody. PA law regarding calculation of child support is often a gray area. Even if he were to get joint physical custody, it might not make a difference, and in order to get joint physical custody, he would have to have physical living arrangements that could accommodate eight children. No judge is going to award joint physical custody to a father of eight children who lives in a one-bedroom apartment.


You can read about it here.

http://www.divorcesource.com/PA/ARTICLES/pollock5.html

http://www.divorcelawinfo.com/PA/pacldsup.htm

Sobby McFibberpants said...

Call me naive, but I have never lost faith that when all is said and done, Jon will be victorious in this sad saga. As another poster stated, Jon may just find great success speaking out against child exploitation. Maybe one day with his children at his side.

IMO, Jon was more instrumental in making a success of Jon and Kate + 8 than he has ever been given credit for. I think TLC saw more than just the 'cute factor' when they invested in the Gosselins. The fact they had 8 children may have got one foot in the door, but the Jon/Kate dynamic is the true reason for the shows drama and its successful run.
TLC saw Kate's willingness to do whatever it takes to turn motherhood into celebrity. This along with her obvious need to control everything in her path made her putty in their hands.
Using Jon's submissive personality, he was billed as Kate's 9th child. She appeared to be a do-it-all supermom with the organizing skills of Martha Stewart, he a weak doormat. At the end of season 4, he overstepped his bounds by announcing he thought the show had run its course. Call the papers, Jon's gone rogue!
If you look back and connect the dots, his reputation in the media as a bad boy is as far fetched as Kate's "good bra" breast enhancement. He was portrayed as Mr.Kate Gosselin for years. Then all of the sudden he's a Hollywood wanna-be playboy? Not to mention, all of the players in Jon's scandalous past year(Michael Lohan?) were attention seekers who had Hollywood dreams themselves.

Soon after he was villified, Kate was paraded through the media as a meek women left destitute by her husband. She shamelessly used her kids as a way to appeal to those who had never seen her show. That didn't last long. On DWTS, she showed her controlling roots again throwing tantrums and having her partner walkout, causing sympathy to shift to Tony. So now is she a super strong..umm, or poor weak mom? Her own desire for fame allowed TLC to make her appear bipolar.

I believe that Jon wanted privacy for his children and himself. I believe that along with Jodi and Kevin, he didn't realize the lengths Kate would be willing to go to get what she wants. TLC always knew, they saw it from the beginning and they have made alot of money because of it.
TLC doesn't need the children to make a Kate show sucessful, they need Jon. Without Jon, all of Kate's control issues have shifted to the kids. Not a good plot, as ratings show. Jon is serving his punishment for not bowing down to the BS. In other words, he just didn't know how to help Kate..:)

sillyrabbit said...

Questions said...
zoey said...

I am not divorced, but if I was and My childs father said NO to things involving the kids claiming it would Hurt him in anyway, i would just say FINE and find a new activity for the kid


Unfortunately this particular "activity" is paying Kate an extremely high salary.


Exactly! All one has to do is compare Kate's LOOKS past to present to see just how beneficial it is for KATE to keep the Gosselin 8 WORKING. Hair extensions and her high end NYC salon appointments , designer clothes, shoes, handbags,weekly spa treatments, cosmetic surgery, botox, to name a few.

bonehead said...

The last I read, about what TLC pays Jon is: $29,000 a month, $5000 Jon keeps and $24,000 a month in child support to Kate. I don't know if this has changed. And I also read months ago that any job that Jon wanted to do or talk show, had to be approved by TLC. I don't know what kind of contract he signed, but, boy he got himself in a pickle. I'm sure there was no legal rep there, to read the contract first, before he signed it, but I'm positive Kate knew all about it, and Jon was tricked.

lindahoyt said...

Oh my gosh, bravo Jon! Good on you.

boo said...

Sobby -- very well written and oh, so true! Without Jon/Kate dynamic, the show is boring and viewers are tuning out. This judge's ruling won't be the deciding factor. Cash is king, and when show stops bringing in the cash, they are done. It's a cold business -- no loyalty, no gratitude. It's like Heidi Klum says about fashion on Project Runway -- "One day you're in, and the next day you're out." Kate's about to be "out"!

Barbra said...

Sobby... GREAT post! you said it all. And the best part is SHE doesn't even know she's being USED!

Eileen in ChiTown said...

The reason Kate's solo attempts are failing ... no Jon.

You need a good guy / bad guy dynamic to make a show interesting, IMO.

All bad(Kate) gets annoying& boring.

TLC won't be pumping anymore money into this sink hole.

Put a fork in it ... she's done,

E in ChiTown said...

"" bonehead said...
The last I read, about what TLC pays Jon is: $29,000 a month, $5000 Jon keeps and $24,000 a month in child support to Kate.""

If that's true - no way, in this economy, is Jon going find an IT job making $60,000 starting. He's screwed. He has to stay with TLC.

He must feel so emasculated & helpless - kind-of like he felt when married to Kate.

cossysmom said...

"The reason Kate's solo attempts are failing ... no Jon."

Absolutely! I've thought this for a long time...not necessarily Jon, but some other adult for Kate to relate to. All she does is talk to the camera. Who wants to see that. I would love to see her interact with her kids, and to another adult. The "best friend Jamie" just doesn't work as she is just another hired hand. Wouldn't it be nice to see some family on this show?? If Jon is not on, then how about grandparents? aunts and uncles? cousins? I really don't think Kate has anyone in her life but hired hands and film crew. although this seems to be ideal for her, it must be a boring, empty life.

Name That Tune said...

"If that's true - no way, in this economy, is Jon going find an IT job making $60,000 starting. He's screwed. He has to stay with TLC."

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Not really. Child support payments can be altered, depending upon income. If he makes a sincere effort to get a job according to his qualifications, payments will be reduced. He doesn't need to earn $60,000 a year. However, if he takes a job of, say, $30,000 a year and the court sees it as a way to get support payments reduced, they will find him "under-employed" and adjust the support payments accordingly in her favor (or tell him to look for a better paying job!)

Barbra said...

The only adults in her life are those PAID to be there and they are fast finding that even when paid to be there it isn't much worth it! Jon is a good father, was a good husband and hopefully at the next legal appearance someone in charge will realize that he is the only one with the kids wellbeing AND wishes at heart. She does not deserve to be the primary (or whatever it is called) caregiver for the kids because to be a caregiver you have to ... CARE for those you are in charge of and the only one she cares for is herself. Sad, sad, commentary, she has no one and it is ALL HER OWN DOING!

boohooKate said...

The reason Kate's solo attempts are failing ... no Jon."


and...daily reminders of her running 7 SEVEN miles a day REALLY isnt much of a 'talent' in celebrityville'; THAT in and of itself doesnt get one very far in HOLLYWOOD.

fidosmommy said...

You are so right. The show needs Jon. Or someone just like him.

Television history proves it:

What would Lucy have been without
Ricky, Fred and Ethel?

What would Archie have been without Edith? George without Gracie?

What would Andy Griffith have been without Barney and the sidekicks of Mayberry?

Mary Tyler Moore without Mr. Grant,
Ted Baxter, Murray Slaughter and
Sue Ann Nivens?

They would have all been talented actors doing their thing, but their shows would have been flops.
One person can very, very rarely carry a show. Conflict, relationships and second fiddles are the foundation of drama and comedy. Reality TV too.

Name That Tune said...

"They would have all been talented actors doing their thing, but their shows would have been flops."

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Yes, and these were talented actors, so what does that say about a talent-less person on a reality show? Without another adult, it can go nowhere but down...and it has.

Can't See Sheep said...

You are all so right. Had kate been a media savvy person (or just observed TV shows over the years) she would have realized that she needed Jon reguardless of the divorce to keep the show interesting. To carry a show on your own you do have to be pretty charismatic. Yes, I know, kate thinks she is (sigh), but we all know the reality on that.

If she had been smart she would have struck a deal with Jon & said yes, we're getting divorced, however we'll do a show about what it's like for divorced parents, that would have been something people could have identified with, are you kidding me the male viewership would shot up, they would have identified with Jon having a shrew of an ex. Men would have ate that up. Everyone tuning in to see if this is finally the week that Jon tells kate where to go & exactly where she can stick her McMansion. TLC could have gotten into the seriously tabloid trashy with a show like this, I'm surprised they didn't think of it themselves. But then there's kate, even if they had come up with it, she's not sharing the spotlight anymore.

puppetmaster said...

If that's true - no way, in this economy, is Jon going find an IT job making $60,000 starting. He's screwed. He has to stay with TLC.

IMO, Kate and TLC were very well aware of the above fact long before TLC's 'big announcement' of a ratings grabber ie the J & K divorce. It was a PERFECT set up by Kate and TLC from the get go! Clearly, Kate's approach for an 'open' marriage wasnt enough to pursuade Jon to remain loyal to TLC and continue the facade of 'It's a Beautiful Life'. But what Kate did know and banked on is that TLC 'owned' Jon and that fact would be used as HER security in the long run!

Shelagh said...

If Mom of KT really is Kart's mom, then the only reason she supports her is because watching Kate + 8 is the only way she even knows her grandchildren. How sad and sick.

I'm Ready, Mr.Demille said...

I may be mistaken but wasn't the original premise of the show was to show how parents coped with children, multiples? The ways of dealing with children, all the same age, does require different strategies to cope with than a large family of children of different age groups. The show veered dreadfully wrong when family values were shoved to the sidelines in favor of material values. How in the world, could parents quit working in the job market and have untold finances to move up to bigger homes, do constant remodeling jobs, take expensive vacations, get bigger more expensive vehicles, etc. and yet have the family become secondary to the quest of wealth. The kids got older and did not develop into individuals, with their own personalities, likes and dislikes and talents. Those of us with kids, know that each one is unique in being who they are. We are proud of their accomplishments, no matter how small that they appear to others. We laugh with them as well as cry for and with them.

The J&K+8 show lost their way a long time ago when it became all about K8 and material things. It became the road from reality to fairy tales and it became boring to watch and sad for the "cookie cutter" children.

wildflowers said...

Shelagh said...
If Mom of KT really is Kart's mom, then the only reason she supports her is because watching Kate + 8 is the only way she even knows her grandchildren. How sad and sick.

Not that I believe for one minute that the poster claiming to be Kate's mom is in fact Kate's mom; but why is it that Kate's mom only NOW, post divorce, felt the need to express words of support in favor of her daughter? Why is it that Kate's mom remained silent for ALL those years when BOTH Jon and KATE were being criticized for their estrangment from KATE'S parents and the Gosselin children not being ALLOWED to visit with said grandparents. IMO, the fact that Kate's mom supposedly spoke out in defense of her daughter means absolutely NOTHING with respect to the credibility of Kate's loyalty to family as the fact remains that Kate has openly admitted that the reason she estranged herself, and her children, from family is because of the self serving excuse , 'they didnt know how to help US'. I wonder how many times Mrs. Krieder has been ALLOWED to visit with or spend any quality time with her daughter and or her EIGHT grand children since the divorce? My guess is ZERO and that isnt Jon's or Aunt Jodie's fault!!

Fahnette said...

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2010/10/jon-gosselin-ashamed-turning-over-a-new-leaf/

New statement.

Diane F. said...

Jon's tweeting again: New Tweet by Jon... On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @jongosselin1 said: Due to the overwhelming amount of questions, statements, false statements in the media, I would like to clarify a few things. First and foremost, for people who did not watch Jon & Kate Plus 8, I stated years ago, and on television, that I no longer wanted to film and wanted my privacy back. This is not a decision I made lightly or without weighing all the factors involved. The negative effects on my family was my greatest concern and far outweigh any monetary gain we received. Today, my children are much older than when we first started. They are acutely aware their life is markedly different from their peers. They are six, and ten, and have to deal with the paparazzi! They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones. Whether the children want to film or not is completely irrelevant. Children rely on the guidance of the adults in their life to ensure their best interest. Left to their own most children would not eat properly, visit the dentist, or complete their homework. Do you think a child would choose a day on the beach instead of attending school? Of course. Is this the best thing for them? Is it the child’s decision to make? Of course not. I am acutely aware of the mistakes I made in 2009 and I am ashamed of the choices I made. I have apologized to Kate, my family, and to my friends. Through counseling I have learned to own my actions. My goal is to move forward in a positive direction. Lastly, my children have experienced a lot of life changes in a short period of time; new home, new school, parents divorced, increased media attention, and much more. Obviously it would be short-sighted to declare that all of their current struggles are attributed to one factor. These multiple changes are exactly why I feel they need privacy, stability, and security. Filming and displaying their private lives at this time is not in their best interest.

baglady said...

Go Jon! This is a fight of David vs. Goliath. I believe he's woken up and is now truly remorseful for what he did to his children. I get the feeling the words of Kevin and Jodi, as well as those of his own family and friends, have finally sunk in.

If it's true that one parent can make the decision to put children on reality TV, then laws DO need to be changed. I think Jon, if successful in regaining his childrens' privacy, will eventually change laws regarding reality TV.

Some people on Perez have commented that the kids are already famous so it's naive to think they'll have any privacy even if the show is off the air. That's a ridiculous argument because that implies that there is no hope at all for these kids. Of course there is hope!

Charlie Rose said...

Shelagh said...
If Mom of KT really is Kart's mom, then the only reason she supports her is because watching Kate + 8 is the only way she even knows her grandchildren. How sad and sick.
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Ding, ding, ding. We got ourselves a winner.

and I must add the only way she gets to SEE her grandchildren. She isn't allowed visitation with her grandchildren nor does she visit with Kate face to face, e-mails only.

Autumn Sunrise said...

Some people on Perez have commented that the kids are already famous so it's naive to think they'll have any privacy even if the show is off the air.Some people on Perez have commented that the kids are already famous so it's naive to think they'll have any privacy even if the show is off the air.

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Of course they'll have privacy. This fame isn't going to extend until they are teenagers. Once the show is off the air, there will be some new faces that will capture the interest of the media. The novelty will wear off, unless of course, in her desperation she finds another way to exploit them and keep this thing going.

dustilies said...

This latest message from Jon is heartening.

I'm not sure what TLC feels about Gosselin clan at this point.

In some ways Jon rattling the bars of his cage might be a relief for them--they may be ready to give Kate the heave-ho.

On the other hand, TLC may want to fight for the right to film children on principle, since they have so many other families on the air now. They don't want reality kid stars to have the protections that kid actors do.

Penny said...

I just want to add to what others have said. It seems the only way to end this maddness is to STOP WATCHING.

I could not tell you how long it's been since I have seen anything done by Kate. It's been well over a year if not more. I don't see the appeal. I do come here from time to time hoping upon all hope that the show will be ending.


EVERYONE up here that does not agree that the children should continue to be filmed should stop watching. If you watch (or click on internet sites dedicated to loving her) you are, in a way, contributing to the pain these kids are experiencing.

bonehead said...

If you watch K8, when it is schedule(new show, first time on, or at their regular time)the ratings are counted. When you watch later, those rating are not counted. As, for articles, it does pay to visit and make a comment. Look at the People one, they did not published one positive comment about Kate. I also think people had a loser cover, with her on it. JMO

jibberjabbers said...

Penny said...

I just want to add to what others have said. It seems the only way to end this maddness is to STOP WATCHING.

EVERYONE up here that does not agree that the children should continue to be filmed should stop watching. If you watch (or click on internet sites dedicated to loving her) you are, in a way, contributing to the pain these kids are experiencing.

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Once everyone stops watching, and the show is canceled, everything else will follow. The main focus is to not give TLC the ratings so they can move on.

Captain of the Titanic said...

Autumn Sunrise wrote:

Of course they'll have privacy. This fame isn't going to extend until they are teenagers. Once the show is off the air, there will be some new faces that will capture the interest of the media. The novelty will wear off, unless of course, in her desperation she finds another way to exploit them and keep this thing going.

I wish what you said would be true but the media has shown itself to be relentless whenever anyone who ever was in the spotlight messes up. If any of the Gosselin kids ever so much as gets a parking ticket, they will be dragged thru the sticky mud of popular opinion.

Can you imagine living a life where you are forever under a microscope just because you used to be on tv when you were a little kid? It is hard enough to get thru adolescence and young adulthood without the added pressure of the public endlessly criticizing you. And they will get criticized. Think not? Even Mother Theresa, as good as she was, has had idiots nitpick at her.

I'm of the opinion that fame is not something anyone should ever strive for. It just isn't worth it.

Ghost Writer In The Sky said...

Actually some people are more articulate when writing then speaking.

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Actually, some people are more articulate when writing THAN speaking, but he isn't. Go back and read some of the early "notes" he has written, as well as current tweets. Even with advanced writing courses, nobody can make such progress in so short a time. You can compare the style of writing, the semantics, the spelling and grammar to see that this man has not written this.

Whether or not someone wrote this for him isn't revelant. Many people use public relations firms or other writers to issue statements. What is important is that these are his feelings, expressed in the way in which he wanted to convey them. Good for him.

Kids are not entertainment said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxLkRrrMSog

readerlady said...

Wow. That video is powerful, Kids are not entertainment. Thanks for posting the link. Now - if we could just get some people in high places, who still have hearts, to watch it and DO something. It looks as if Jon is not without allies, which is great.

Can't See Sheep said...

dustilies too true, Jon certainly is giving TLC an easy out if they wish to take it. I would think if they were long-sighted it would be one of the wisest things they could do. Are they really going to want to keep spending money to deal with people like Rep. Murt & the court cases that are likely to keep coming, because it all does tally up.

I guess they could see it as an investment in keeping moneymakers & future moneymakers on the air, but the ratings of their current moneymaker show are going downhill fast & hopefully the others will follow suit. In the end, they'll have a permanent black eye over the way they've chosen to treat their talent. They may have the Hillstrand brothers & Captian Sig back, but not everyone will forget how those gentlemen were treated, it looks bad on them. Too many of those instances & it could damage them. I don't think bullying child exploiters will do much for them either, it all builds up. TLC's goto action when things go wrong is bullying & bullying is never the sollution it's only ever the symptom of far worse problems.

couch potato said...

Looks like the kids will have to work if Jon can't find a job.

Jon can't work in the entertainment industry. Does that mean he can't do light beer commercials, either?

What can Jon do?

Policeman?

Write a book?

Chef?

Tour Guide?

Taxi Driver?

Finish college?

Chef?

Customer Service?

Sell Real Estate?

The show will eventually fizzle out. I just hope the Gosselins are smart enough to save some of their earnings and invest it wisely.

I don't see Kate coming up with a means of employment either.

It's just another sad story. Money doesn't mean happiness. It just makes being poor less miserable.

Jane in California said...

While I definitely agree that Jon was a willing participant at first in having this reality tv show, and making money based on having sextuplets, I also believe that as time went on, he became disenchanted with the reality of it all. We saw how Kate treated him on the show, and I can only imagine it was even worse when the cameras weren't rolling. No spouse should have to put up with that kind of treatment from the other - there is simply no excuse for talking down to your husband/wife, treating them like an unpaid servant, belittling them, yelling at them in public, and talking them down to the children (i.e., "Daddy is so mean!" etc.) None of that is acceptable behavior and Kate engaged in it all.

Finally Jon had enough when Kate began gallivanting around doing book tours with her "bodyguard." He wanted marriage counseling and she refused. He says she told him the marriage was over in all but name and that he could date others. We saw how that blew up in his face. He went through a period where he was drinking and partying too much.

But now he's been in a stable relationship for awhile, and seems to have settled down. Whoever is writing his tweets for him is doing an excellent job! Pray continue!

I think his job situation is complicated by legalities involving his contract with TLC. I also think that it is somewhat hampered by his visitation schedule.

Is Jon an angel? No, far from it. But of the two parents, I do think he is at least trying to put his children's best interests first, which I cannot say for Kate. To that end, I wish him every bit of luck in the world.