Looking into the Work Permits

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52 comments:

Ohio Buckeye said...

Oh, god, here we have K8G's newest excuse to cry and whine how hard her life is and how unfair everyone has always been to her. Cue those tears and tissues. AGAIN.

Go, Mr. Murt. Shut this chick down once and for all.

TLC: wise up and use this as an excuse to dump this lame duck - cut your losses now. She has already cost you immeasurably, not just in $, but, more importantly, your credibility.

silimom said...

I think the smartest thing TLC could do right now would be to stop filming Kate + 8. Air the two or three episodes they've filmed of "Twist of Kate" and see how the ratings go.

Allow Kate to be on Celebrity Apprentice or Trump's dating show.

If TLC wants to support Kate that's fine. They can market her to their heart's content. However, stop filming the kids.

dustilies said...

Thanks, wise and hardworking mods, for putting this all in one place.

I'm troubled by something in Murt's letters--maybe I'm misreading them. It sounds as if he is pointing a problem/gray area in the wording of the regulations about what kind of media kids under seven can get permits for. But not actually saying kids under seven shouldn't work on tv series.

Like Buckeye, I cannot believe that the Gs are worth the trouble and expense TLC goes to to keep the show rolling.

SaNdY said...

All the while Jon and Kate Plus Eight was being filmed, absolutely nothing was done to confirm that the correct work permits, etc, were obtained...during that time, there were numerous meltdowns, (not only by the kids, but by Kate, too) potty training, Jon in the back of the van helping Colin with his problem, Mady scribbling a sign that said 'no cameras unless invited', Kate threatening to throw Colin's lovey away because it had a speck of gum on it, Kate 'treating Jon like a dog' (Jon's words) at Toys R Us, etc, etc, etc...I'm somewhat optimistic and hopeful that, FINALLY, someone is interested enough in these kids to look after them and their horrendously horrendous situation...I'm just so afraid that major damage has already been inflicted on these innocent kids, I think they desperately need counseling because of the decisions made by their idiot parents...

Brummygirl said...

Could this be the chink in the armour which will eventually bring down the house of Gosselin?
Is T.L.C. greedy enough to wait a year until the tups are 7 or will they hang their hat up on K8?
I hope her eyeballs are rolling on this one...tic toc Kate!!!

Those Darn Permits said...

"All the while Jon and Kate Plus Eight was being filmed, absolutely nothing was done to confirm that the correct work permits, etc, were obtained..."

It wasn't a matter of not confirming that the correct work permits were issued. There were NO work permits issued the entire time the show was Jon and Kate Plus Eight. This was because the production company had claimed it was a documentary and somehow got around it that way!

An investigation determined that work permits were indeed necessary (no fines, though, for not having them previously) and must be obtained before Kate Plus Eight could start filming. Work permits were approved. Now we find that the law is subject to interpretation because there is no requirement in the law that children under age seven need a permit. It doesn't say that they do and there is nothing that says that they don't, or that they are exempt. It just doesn't say.

That's what the fuss is all about right now, and why the law has been handed over the attorney general for assistance with interpretation.

IDModo said...

Dustilies: I think the outcome will be that kids under 7 can only be on reality shows with proper safeguards and guidelines in place, such as an advocate for the children on set, appropriate working hours, etc.

This may have the effect of making it too complicated or costly for companies to film in PA, but it won't get kids under 7 off reality television.

If there are rules about what can and can't be filmed, it may make the shows too boring to bother with!Much of what we saw on J&K, and now Kate+8, would have been stopped by someone on set whose job was to make sure the children weren't being abused in any way.

Kate's treatment of Collin, with the car and the hose, is an example of where someone might have stepped in.

bbeau said...

I'm curious about the legislation that states 15% of the earnings must be put aside for the children. I always assumed it was 15% for all 8 but recently I read somewhere that it was 15% PER CHILD.

I am not great at math, but wouldn't that mean 120% of their earnings would have to be set aside for the children. That would leave Kate and Jon with NOTHING. haha. That would be great. Can someone clear this up for me. Thanks in advance.

On Permit Watch said...

Also, as was brought up by Z on Z on TV, who has copies, the permits issued are incorrect since they cover public performances only, not TV.

The permits expire in two months. Should be interesting to see what happens. I'm hesitant to say tick, tock yet though. But we'll be watching.

bonehead said...

The child laws do very from state to state. Illinois says that children under 16(thatnewborn to 16) need a work permit for all TV, movie etc appearances. Arkansas is also the same 16 and under(for TV). PA is 7 to 16 need a work permit , under 7 they are not given a permit to work. That is for TV. I hope they yank her off, and she fall on her but(head (samething in her case)). JMO

Cry Me a River said...

They will just move to the Carolinas. They won't shut down for anything. They have proven that there is no shame in their game.

NoUse4Kate said...

Thanks for posting these. I hope Rep. Murt succeeds and the children's welfare is for once thought of first and not an after thought like it has been.

JennN said...

Agree about them moving to the Carolinas and Kate has even hinted they may do that in past shows.

Tx mom said...

TLC and Kate't attys are declining to comment...which means, they are trying to dig themselves out of a hole. Kudos to the Murt for helping these kids!
But, they will find some way to film the kids...they will just go on a lot of 'out of town vacations'. Problem solved.
I just can't fathom making your kids work so they can eat. This woman is completely insane.

TandLMommy28 said...

We joke with our kids at the grocery store sometimes and say, "You guys are paying today, right?"

But can you even fathom actually expecting your kids to pay for the food on your table and the roof over your head? Especially when the house is really for YOU and the special food is for YOU and the kids just get to share bedrooms and eat whatever scraps of food are left over...

I really, really hope these kids get to stop earning a living for themselves and get to be normal kids. I hope this whole permit thing is the beginning of the end. Those poor kids...

Follow Those Laws said...

"But, they will find some way to film the kids...they will just go on a lot of 'out of town vacations'. Problem solved."

Depending on where they go to film, the problem isn't solved because many states have rigorous child labor laws that must be followed, with permits required to be posted, filming registered with appropriate agencies, etc. After all of the attention called to permits and labor laws, you can bet these agencies are going to be watching very carefully to make sure everything is in order.

math said...

bbeau said...
I'm curious about the legislation that states 15% of the earnings must be put aside for the children. I always assumed it was 15% for all 8 but recently I read somewhere that it was 15% PER CHILD.

I am not great at math, but wouldn't that mean 120% of their earnings would have to be set aside for the children. That would leave Kate and Jon with NOTHING. haha. That would be great. Can someone clear this up for me. Thanks in advance.
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how i interpret what you wrote is that of whatever a single child earns, the parent MUST put away minimum 15% and then is free to keep the remaining 85%

she is evil said...

Enough of this show. It's painful to watch this plastic hag make her children miserable with her whining, complaining, and neglect. Sick of her lying, sick of her whorish outfits, sick of her hogging the camera, sick of her ignorance and screeching. Enough. Go away. Those kids' misery need not be televised any longer.

Vanessa said...

I agree totally with all the posters asking "where are Kate and TLC?" Whenever they've had to speak up to defend themselves (justify themselves) they're on every mainstream talk show/tabloid show. Booh hoo, Jon ended this too soon. Boo hoo, we can't go to NY because we're not filming. Boohoo, I have a stack of bills in my wallet (but I'm buying a new mother of pearl ring). Boohoo, family members have cashed in on us (I made sure NOBODY but fami..I mean NOBODY but IMMED...UM NOBODY BUT I, I, I WOULD MAKE MONEY OFF THOSE KIDS) NOW what do you hear?...crickets. They got a slap on the wrist for ALL those years of NOT obtaining, not only PERMITS, but the CORRECT permits. There better be some kind of penalty, be in monetary or a TRUE CEASE and DISSIST! Let the "JON & KATE" law finally get drawn up and passed so those kids will finally be protected in SOME capacity.

SAHM said...

I agree w/ "Cry Me A River".... i don't think this will shut them down or that it will stop TLC from filming the Gosselins.... i think they will just move.... not necessarily to the Carolina's but probably NY or California... not only so the kids can be filmed but so Kate can continue w/ her obsessive need to be in the spot light and to be something she is not... a celebrity.

I just hope Jon has the balls to step in and not allow it to happen.

Pat said...

I really feel sorry for the boys. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors.

Personally I think doctors that allow these multiple births should be shut down too.

Enough of stupid women trying to cash in on having litters.

On the Move said...

I would think that last place she would want to move is to California, which has very tough laws protecting children in the entertainment/television industry! Ditto in New York. I've looked over their child labor laws, and they also have some serious laws in place.

How about Arkansas?!!

Midnight Serenade said...

"the parent MUST put away minimum 15% and then is free to keep the remaining 85%"

It depends upon what you mean by "putting away." Under the law, that fifteen percent the child gets may be used for his/her medical care, education, welfare of the child, support of the child, etc., which means that not only does the parent keep eighty-five percent, but can also require the child to pay for his/her own care.

catgotyourtongue said...

Tx mom said...
TLC and Kate't attys are declining to comment...which means, they are trying to dig themselves out of a hole. Kudos to the Murt for helping these kids!

The TLC execs sure were confident in their official statement released just prior to the filming of Kate + 8 confirming that the eight Gosselin children were card holding members of the 'work permit' club. If TLC felt so secure in their compliance with the PA labor laws, so much so, they felt the need to release a public statement to satisfy public/media interest, why are they being so close lipped now? If TLC feels that they are in compliance, then how about releasing a statement with proof?

BeDoneNow said...

The wheels of legislation turn slowly and the children will be 7 before any of this is sorted.

However, what good are the work permits anyway when they dont protect the children from being worked up and down the concrete in 103F? And officials in NYC reply "But the children's mother was there and was the best person to monitor how they were doing in the heat..." WTH - the MOTHER was supposed to care for them?

Work permits didnt protect the children from the emotional and verbal abuse that was televised last week at the hands of their own mother? She believes she is quite witty and entertaining as she screeches at them about how much they upset her and how much she hates living with them.

Work permits did not prevent a 6 year old child from operating a power tool at the behest of a film crew for the entertainment of viewers. I dont CARE that the film wasnt used; the REAL child used the REAL tool to entertain us, without the careful, 1:1 hands-on instruction of one of her guardians.

What good are the work permits other than TLC/Figure8 paid a little money into the state coffers and some worker spent half a day filling out pieces of paper for some job security.

Perhaps I should re-word this into a more civil tone and ask Rep. Murt. As he is a father and grandfather he may be able to ease this mom's mind.

**Please everyone, make note of the online petition that Paul Petersen is supporting. It has only a measley 60 signatures last I looked. That low number of sigs is embarrassing.

BeDoneNow said...

she is evil said...
Enough of this show. It's painful to watch this plastic hag make her children miserable with her whining, complaining, and neglect. Sick of her lying, sick of her whorish outfits, sick of her hogging the camera, sick of her ignorance and screeching. Enough. Go away. Those kids' misery need not be televised any longer.
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Perfectly put. Thank you.

If someone could just explain to me what kind of people are joyfully watching this? Are there really that many unhappy mothers out there that they make this ill woman their hero? That wish they too could make so much money for openly disliking their own children?

Or are they that ill themselves, all of them, that they cant tell the difference between actors reading lines and actual people being harmed? I was listening to a 50 year old man talk about the devastating effects of his parents divorce when he was 5. At least these children will have each other later in life as they try to sort out reality from scripts they performed.

readerlady said...

Okay, I'm not great at math, but here's how I understand it. Say the 8, collectively, make $20,000 per episode. Legally, 15%, or $3000, or $375 per child, must be set aside for them. MOST parents of children in show business set aside more than the 15%. Of course, there are exceptions, like Gary Coleman's parents, but most aren't like that. Then we have Khate, who, until recently, probably hasn't set a dime aside for the kids and has used most of the $$$ to further her own agenda.

The Set Teacher said...

"Work permits did not prevent a 6 year old child from operating a power tool at the behest of a film crew for the entertainment of viewers."

That's because the laws to protect minor children in reality television show aren't in place yet! The PA work permits are antiquated because there was no reality television when the laws went into effect. What is part of the new laws is the mandate for a SET TEACHER who is responsible, not only for the educational well-being of the child, but for their safety, and other issues, such as parading them around in 103 degree heat that might come up. Kate will no longer have the final say on what they do and under what conditions they work.

The set teacher is a very important part of the legislation that will be up for vote and hopefully part of the child labor laws to protect kids in the television industry. It will no longer be a matter of just obtaining work permits.

You can go back and watch Paul Peterson's testimony at the April hearings regarding the importance of having a set teacher at all filming.

BeDoneNow said...

@ Set Teacher, you are right of course. I am a Licensed Medical Social Worker in my state and would gladly work hand in hand with an educator to see to the physical, emotional and educational health of these minor children.

It is just so frustrating to see such permanent harm being done right before my eyes. As for Cara and Maddy, their childhoods are drifting away already...

Angelalalala said...

Midnight Serenade said...
"the parent MUST put away minimum 15% and then is free to keep the remaining 85%"

It depends upon what you mean by "putting away." Under the law, that fifteen percent the child gets may be used for his/her medical care, education, welfare of the child, support of the child, etc., which means that not only does the parent keep eighty-five percent, but can also require the child to pay for his/her own care.

7/19/2010 11:58 AM

And knowing the Kate we all see on tv, she is probably using the kids' 15% to make the mortgage payments or to pay their tuition.

Because most little kids pay for their own home and schooling? Right????

Pat said...

She always said the house belong to the kids. She MEANT it.

The kids are paying for that house and property with "their" 15% share.


And I am sure that Jammie is being groomed to be the guardian.

She is even a thief if this is what she is doing.

silimom said...

The Department of Labor has ruled that the permits are valid. You can read Z on TV for more detailed information. I posted the following there and I feel the need to share it here as well.

This is why people today have no faith in their state officials or government.

I applaud Rep. Murt and I hope he is successful in his vow to continue to pursue this matter specifically and reform in general. He has a lot to go up against, considering the attorney general is running for Governor and, while I hate conspiracy theories, I can't help but question if he (the A.G.) and this Dept. of Labor official haven't received some sort of a payoff /campaign contribution to come to this conclusion as to the validity of the labor permits. The law seems fairly clear to me - no one under the age of 7 works in television. Period.

This is as bad as the first time, when TLC and Figure 8 were found to have been filming without permits and they received a slap on the wrist. To take a cynical perspective, are you telling me that the state of PA is so wealthy that they can afford to forgo the revenue that fines for non-compliance would have generated? Does TLC/Discovery bring that much money into their state? I can't believe it does. If the film/television industry in PA is that big, please, someone educate me.

This is just disgusting and I'm so mad I could spit.

Truly the only way to halt production is to stop feeding the beast. Everyone, please, just ignore these two twats (J&K), TLC and Discovery. Don't write letters letting them know you're going to do it or to their sponsors - that again only feeds the beast and shows them that Kate + 8 makes people tune in for good or evil. Discovery doesn't care which.

Just stop caring. That will give the kids the only peace they will have - no more cameras, no more filming. We can't do anything about their two numb/dumb nut parents. Their Dad will remain a boy-man trapped in adolescence and their Mom will always be a narcissist.

Save the Gosselin 8. Children, people have tried from the beginning to stand up for you. I hope years from now, when you read these cached blogs, you will realize that. And I wish you all the best. You can be whatever you wish to be if you commit yourselves to it. Learn from your parents and be better them.

Brummygirl said...

We all know that the Lost Boys in J.M. Barrie's Peter Pan, were sent to Neverland. Luckily the Darling family adopted some but
what will happen to the lost children of Gosselinland?
A mother who in spite of immeasurable opposition, still tries to work them for her own monetary benefit and crazy grab at stardom. How can she look in their eyes and not know the damage she is causing? They may think that the world they live in is the same for everyone, they have never known anything different, I pray that someday they will.
A father who sits on the fence and only acts when he thinks it will suit him financially too.
Family, except for two, condoning this by their silence.
A t.v. station with morals lower than pond scum and media who choose to swim with this scum.
Mr. Murt, you offer a chance to play Peter Pan to these unfortunate offspring, may you bring down this house of cards and the Queen of evil.

dustilies said...

@ sillimom

Excellent letter. Your outrage is fierce and clean. Certainly a "Do Not Feed the Beast" policy is a principled decision. I do think that this blog has had a role in exposing the TLC/Gosselin charade. I guess my personal position is a sort of a "Shame the Beast" policy.

But I know I don't know jack about the tv/PR business. Maybe it is true that there is no such thing as bad publicity. But I think that the venue makes a difference. A bad review of a book in the New York Times still generates lots of sales. Being the darling of ROL isn't the same kind of validation--is it?

@Brummygirl--the lost boys is such an apt and moving metaphor for the plight of the children. Really got to me this morning.

PR in PA said...

Pa. labor officials defend 'Kate Plus 8' permits

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/entertainment&id=7566750

Jane in California said...

The set teacher is a very important part of the legislation that will be up for vote and hopefully part of the child labor laws to protect kids in the television industry. It will no longer be a matter of just obtaining work permits.
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I was so frustrated last night when I read the comments that said the PA Dept of Labor had found no problems with the existing work permits. I felt hopeless, angry, and up against a system that seems willing to turn a blind eye to the harm being done to the Gosselin children in particular.

This morning, after sleeping on it and letting go of some of my useless frustration, it is comments like yours that help me move on and re-focus on areas where maybe we as a community can actually make a difference. Throwing our support behind those who are trying to put laws in place that fit the times, that will help ensure necessary protections for minor children being filmed in any venue and in any state, is a worthy cause.

I'm going to focus my attention on finding out who I should write to expressing my support for such legislation. I admit I'm not up to speed on what exactly is being done currently. But if it's on a federal level, at the very least I can write to my own elected Senators and representatives and urge them to support any such legislation.

Aislinn said...

PA Labor officials says it's okay now? How do they know anything about the working conditions? Has there EVER been a third-party present to log the hours these kids work? Even animals require someone there while filming to make sure they aren't being abused.

IDModo said...

The PA DOL people stated at the hearing that they had not even made a site visit to determine whether TLC was representing the children's woking conditions accurately.
That's like getting a child abuse complaint and phoning the parents to see if it's true.
And we are supposed to swallow this without suspicion...
There is a big scandal here if only someone knew where to look for it.It needs a good investigative reporter.

PA Mom Knows said...

"The law seems fairly clear to me - no one under the age of 7 works in television. Period."

Unfortunately, it's not clear. It's a flaw in the law. We want it say that no one under the age of 7 works in television, but it doesn't say that. It doesn't address the under 7 age group at all. It doesn't say that they CAN work in PA, but it also doesn't say that they CAN'T. It's a matter of interpretation, and that's the problem. I want it that way, and you want it that way...for the sake of the children. But that's not the way it is.

L&I is interpreting it as saying that because the under 7 age group isn't specifically mentioned, then no permit is needed and they can work. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT! My question is, however, if that's the case and the permits aren't needed and six-year-olds may work, then why were permits issued at all? I don't understand why they issued permits if they believe that six-year-olds are exempt from requiring permits.

If wishes were horses, then beggers would ride, but IF only the law would state, "Children under age 7 may not work in the television industry and no permits will be issued to any child under the age of 7." I can't imagine why a lawmaker wouldn't have looked at that law and said, "What about a provision in here for kids under the age of seven? What about them?"
It wouldn't have taken a genius to see that a critical part of that law was missing.

Techymum said...

I also question as to how this LARGE hole was missed. The truth is, children under 7 WILL work in the entertainment industry. Done with proper supervision and safeguards, I have no problems with that. Think - cute little diaper commercial, etc. A few $ to put in the kids account, no harm done.

But even those babies are ACTORS. Reality is a whole different situation, and maybe needs even more stringent rules.

I do agree, however, that it can clearly be interpreted that under 7 does not require a permit. Not that they cannot work.

readerlady said...

One of the articles I read stated that the kids weren't being subjected to "undue hours of filming". How many times did we see those babies hauled out of bed at o'dark thirty, to be dressed (in front of the cameras), fed (in front of the cameras), loaded into the van or a bus or some other mode of transportation (in front of the cameras)and dragged to some event or on some trip (in front of the cameras). How many hours did that trip to Colorado take? It was dark when they left home and dark when they arrived. The cameras were rolling the entire time. That certainly seems like "undue hours of filming" to me.

KB said...

Have my doubts about to this leading to the end of the show. They are not trying to stop production nor will a law change prevent it. They are simply trying to get the law to include tv and provide protection. I'm sure TLC and Kate will happily comply with obtaining new work visas in order to keep things rolling.

I can't help but think Murt's trying to change the law is not just about child protection now and in the future but also about avoiding lawsuits by these children against the state of PA for failing to protect them and providing work permits that were not legal under the current law. Just a thought.

KB said...

When money is involved children aren't considered to be able to suffer from or be abused. if you call about the abuse of a child from a home where there is money and they seem to be well off, it largely goes ignored. You;d be surprised how many cases there are like this.

Brummygirl said...

Techymum said:

Done with proper supervision and safeguards, I have no problems with that. Think - cute little diaper commercial, etc. A few $ to put in the kids account, no harm done.
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This is where I respectfully have to disagree with you.
Those *cute* babies have had no choice to be in the commercial. How many child actors began that way, how many of those child actors have had problems in later life.
Whether supervised or not, you still have parents trading their children for money.
Is it for the child to put away some *college* money, or is it for the parent to say *my child is on t.v.*?
We could name dozens of child actors who went on to normal lives, but just as many, if not more, faced the demons of being in *the world of show business*.
All media law needs constant upgrading and supervision to protect these children.
In England, there used to be Pears Soap competitions to have your baby's face on the wrapper. I had two really cute daughters and was urged to enter them, but I would never have subjected them to the goldfish bowl.
This is just my opinion of course, but also my reason why I am disgusted what is happening to the Gosselin children.

Stephanie said...

It looks like it's all straightened out now, to the benefit of Kate and TLC, with no regard for the children's long term mental health and well being:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/07/21/kate-gosselin-kids-permits/?icid=main|hp-laptop|dl2|link5|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.popeater.com%2F2010%2F07%2F21%2Fkate-gosselin-kids-permits%2F


The comments about the article are peppered with several Kate supporters accusing naysayers of jealousy, claiming she is doing what she has to do to take care of the kids since Jon doesn't pay child support (btw, where is that even coming from?? I thought Jon paid the support as ordered, on time, to the tune of several thousand a month), and claiming that anyone offered the opportunities Kate and her 8 have would happily take accept the offer. Of course, these people claim the kids love the cameras, so they are not being exploited and we should be happy for them.

Kids love candy, too. Should we give them all they want, despite the risk of cavities, obesity, diabetes, behavioral problems, etc.? Sure, the kids love the cameras, but the kids have no thought for what all of this means for their future. Their mother is the one who should be making decisions that both provide for them now, and safeguard their health for the future. The kids may end up with everything they need financially, yet their lives are still a mess as they deal with the mental and emotional aftermath of all of this garbage.

2badsosad said...

The very fact that the PA child labor laws are being INTERPRETED to the ADVANTAGE of the entertainment industry and the television networks that employ said minors for the purpose of filming 'reality' TV, IMO is CHILD EXPLOITATION! No minor child should be FORCED to WORK simply because they are not of the LEGAL (ie 18) age of consent to say otherwise !

bear said...

The kids may end up with everything they need financially, yet their lives are still a mess as they deal with the mental and emotional aftermath of all of this garbage.===

I remember how gum-gate upset me. Collin's reaction to Kate telling him REPEATEDLY that she was going to throw his bear in the trash was painful to watch.

It was down right cruel. Even if Collin does not remember the incident, he will see it on a dvd when he is older and I wonder what he will think of his mom's behavior.

I wonder if that incident would be classified as some type of emotional abuse.

aunt sue said...

I can't help but think Murt's trying to change the law is not just about child protection now and in the future but also about avoiding lawsuits by these children against the state of PA for failing to protect them and providing work permits that were not legal under the current law. Just a thought.'


You bring up a good point. When Jon pulled the kids from filming he and his lawyer (MJ's Lawyer) said something to the effect that his kids had been working but were never paid. I thought then he might have tried to sue tlc for never paying the kids.

Who know what will happen in the future. Maybe the kids might sue tlc for emotioanl distress and for never being paid. Maybe they might sue their parents for a chunk of what is really theirs.

Either way, i dont see a happy ending to this.

Too much money is not always a good thing.

kate's an idiot said...

I don't know why anyone even cares about the work permits since we've all been told by Katan that the kids aren't working...eye roll. Of course, a reality show is a perfect job for a struggling, whorish single mom. Funny that the same show is all fun and games for the kids.

And how backwards is it that the office that issued the fishy work permits would have to request that the attorney general look into their legality for it to happen? Why would they get themselves in trouble? Who cares if 8 kids are being exploited lawfully or unlawfully? Way to go, Kate. Keep showing your sad family to the world; you've explained how the show is necessary for your kids' livelihoods in light of the fact that you wish to remain an unemployed grifter.

Jake said...

I have a few questions trying to understand this decision from a broader perspective. I will admit up front my assumption is that PA officials are not corrupt.

1) There must be other children under 7 in PA who work or have worked on TV. I do not live in NY or LA but there are local kids here on public TV (things like Barney, Sesame Streetand appearing in commercials. Is it possible that the state permits kids in those roles under the same "public appearance" clause as the Gosselin kids?

2) If the permits are ruled as inappropriate for the Gosselins, how many other kids, families, activities, and productions will be effected? If yanking permits to protect the Gosselin kids is done, who else may be hurt? Would the Department of Labo officials take that into account?

3) Is the state concerned that they may be sued by TLC if any other child under 7 in PA is allowed to be filmed for TV? I can see TLC sending out investigators to identify every other PA child on TV in any capacity. I imagine a case could be made in court that the permitting process has to be applied the same across the board.

4) Should the permitting process really be the factor that addresses the situation with the Gosselins? I suspect it is the only approach Representative Murt has found to use at this time but is it too broad a brush to be effective for this purpose?

I think PA (and all states) need very specific laws to target the issue of reality TV and focus on it from a "right to privacy" perspective.

faline said...

I haven't watched her since way back
before the last show ended. But listening to people here describe Mady /Cara overly thank Kate for making them food? It makes me think those kids are afraid of her. Remember when she was screaming in Hannah's
face when she pooped? You could see that poor baby had that fear look in her face.
Kids look like that from experience
of knowing the consequences and being terrified. I am really afraid for children forced to do reality tv.

Sandra said...

aunt sue said...
I can't help but think Murt's trying to change the law is not just about child protection now and in the future but also about avoiding lawsuits by these children against the state of PA for failing to protect them and providing work permits that were not legal under the current law. Just a thought.'


You bring up a good point. When Jon pulled the kids from filming he and his lawyer (MJ's Lawyer) said something to the effect that his kids had been working but were never paid. I thought then he might have tried to sue tlc for never paying the kids.

Who know what will happen in the future. Maybe the kids might sue tlc for emotioanl distress and for never being paid. Maybe they might sue their parents for a chunk of what is really theirs.

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Think about it. One day, the kids are going to have to go get real jobs and actually pay for things on their own. They will have rent/mortagages to pay, car payments, etc. They will stop and look at their mother and father, who didn't have to work and had everything given to them because of a show they ( the kids ) were the stars of. They will see that there is something really wrong with that picture. Why am I having to bust my tail now while mommy sits in her cushy mansion that I helped pay for?

Kate is going to have eight angry teenagers/young adults to appease one day, and all it will take is her pissing off one of them. And I hope she and Jon, TLC, and the state of PA all get their @$$es sued for what they put the kids through.