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silimom said...

From the last thread:
Kate pats herself on the back by saying she wrote a check for a struggling church family with 4 kids because she felt that God was calling her to do so. That's nice and all, but it reveals quite a bit about Kate if she feels the need to maul over it in a book, about what a difficult decision it was for her and how long she wrestled with it.

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Wow. For someone who has been given so much when she was in need, it saddens me that she would find such a decision "difficult" and something to "wrestle" over. As you said, it reveals (and confirms) quite a bit about Kate.

Lisa said...

"There are the sweet moments of love and compassion to balance these never-ending stressful encounters, but for some reason, these unloving loud outbursts are what I tend to remember."
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Wow! What an awful thing to say... I know that parenting is not easy and I have moments when my children are being difficult that I would love to run away from home, but you know what?? THOSE are NOT the moments I remember! I remember all of the good and fun times with my kids. For some reason, this makes me really sad for Kate. What an unhappy and negative person she is! Mostly, though, I feel sad for those kids! Everything she seems to focus on are the hard and difficult times. What a waste of energy and what a waste of your life. Time goes by so fast and she is missing all the good stuff by being a miserable person!

she is evil said...

Kate/Moron: something tells me that your loud, unloving outbursts will be what your kids remember most about you, too. That and your physical abuse inflicted upon them, your ridicule and neglect, your self-absorption, your desperate exhibitionism, your nonstop lying... Oh I could go on and on. Such memories for those pathetic kids.

fidosmommy said...

Lisa, I agree. I'm not a mom but I
had a wonderful mom. I asked her once if being a mom was hard, and she said she remembered the joys and the rewards of parenting 4 children. I don't remember her ever talking about the difficulties. Even childbirth: "Yes, I'm sure it hurt, but that's not what I remember. I remember holding my babies."

Oh, how I loved my mom! She considered us blessings!

Monster Mommy said...

I was right about Kathy Griffin, making an act out of the Long Beach Women's Conference gig.

I just watched Bravo's "Balls of Steel", and Kathy says 7 minutes into her act... that Kate's banging the Bodyguard.

Kathy... So observant.

Jenny said...

From the last thread:
Rose said...
****But now Kate asks us to pity her because when she put a TV in the babies' room to watch a movie before they napped, they couldn't all see the screen.

K8STFU said...
Well, well, well. Thought the kids don't watch tv?
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Whoa, this is interesting to me. I recall when the tups were little, K8 said she always REALLY looked forward to their nap time since it gave her a break in the day...was it 3 hours or so, I can't remember exactly...but if she put them in their cribs for a 3 hour nap and before they actually went to sleep they would also watch/listen to a movie...I'm thinking that would have added even more time that the kids were in their room. She said that was when she got a breather, did some laundry, etc. I'm not begrudging a mom looking forward to a breather during the day, it's just that I recall the kids being put down for their naps but I didn't also know a tv was being turned on too which in my mind would add another hour or so, making it 4 hours that they were in their room... almost 'til Jon got home.

I fully realize I'm nit picking on this...and obviously the kids weren't harmed or antyhing, but it just made me recall when my son was little and I tried out a new daycare...and when I picked him up at 5:00 or so, all the kids were still in the quiet room laying down supposedly finishing up their naps... but they were all awake just laying there. I didn't think a whole lot about it until I got to talking with my son about his day and he was telling me what he'd had for lunch. Then I asked him what he & the kids did after lunch and he said they were taken to a room for their nap. So what I gathered from that was that since the kids ate lunch from 11:30 to noon, the staff put the kids down at noon for a nap and they weren't allowed to get up for 5 freakin' hours!

So I guess I'm just a little bit sensitive to how long kids are put down for their naps. I realize kids vary in the length of time they need for naps and I would never second guess a mom for the decision she makes for her own children...she knows them better than anyone. But when I read the excerpt from the book and recalled the long naps K8 gave the kids anyway, it startled me that in addition to the 3 hours (or so) they were in their cribs, they also would be in there listening to a movie which surely have added even more time. No wonder K8 looked forward to that time so much.

Anyway, please overlook my nitpicking...and actually I could be totally off base about the tups naptime hours...it's just that tahe minute I read that, I immediately had a flashback to when my son was in that particular daycare. I just thought it was pretty outrageous and lazy on the part of the staff to make the kids lay there all afternoon when every single one of them was wide awake and obviously had had plenty of napping and would have benefitted from some more play time and/or interaction doing...I don't know what, something besides laying there! Needless to say, I let the daycare keep my payment but pulled him out of that place immediately and took the rest of the week off to locate a really good place. I also let them know why I left! I wish I had known some of the other mothers so I could have informed them as well but alas, it was my first day with the place so I didn't know anyone. Thanks for letting me vent on this. I know my reaction is a little out of proportion but it all goes back to a very bad memory I have. You know how it is when you want to do the best for your children and someone lets you down.

crabbygirl said...

It is a true shame that Kate "chooses" to only remember the "unloving loud outbursts". That statement shows exactly how disconnented from those kids she truly is. I completely understand she needs to work, I get it, but AT WHAT PRICE? She lets it be known that she loves the limelight and is willing to leave those children at any time for any reason. If total strangers can pick up on this I can't IMAGINE how her children feel.There is going to be alot of bitterness in that house.

crabbygirl said...

Goodness, I am surprised Kate did not put her book that one time she bought a box of Girl Scout cookies. Come on people, give her props for single handedly supporting the Girl Scouts Organization!!!

Baffled said...

Khate shows herself to be sarcastic whiner to the media... what kind of monster is she to the kids behind closed doors?

~Shari~ said...

Kate pats herself on the back by saying she wrote a check for a struggling church family with 4 kids because she felt that God was calling her to do so.
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It speaks volumes that she felt the need to announce that in a book. True narcissist. When you help someone simply for the sake of helping them, you don't pat yourself on the back or go around telling everyone you did it. (That clearly reveals her true motives.)

Duckman said...

Outside of a portion of the "letter" written to Leah, I've never read any of the "letters" written to the kids.

However, I do remember reading about the part of the "letter" to Collin where Kate tells him that, of all the kids, he's been the most defiant of her authority. Even after making the usual allowances for Kate's narcissism and stupidity, I still had a strange feeling about that "letter".

It took a while, but it finally dawned on me why this "letter" seemed so strange. It's not a "letter" to Collin - it's a performance review of Collin. So what kind of disciplinary action will Kate take against Collin - cut his grape ration from four to three?

StoryLady said...

From the last thread:
I find it really upsetting that a newly-turned six year old child would be required to work while ill enough to be vomiting.
Isn't this against the newly enforced laws the Gosselins agreed to?
Can someone contact that poor, worn out Rep. Murt about this?
I'm going to contact AMC.
This $hit just never ends.
Thanks.

StoryLady said...

@Lisa: That's so true!
My kids are grown now, and I know we went through a lot of fighting and sibling rivalry and all of that stuff, but I have trouble remembering a single instance of it; it's just kind of blurred together.
The times they were laughing, and cooking up schemes, and doing their wicked impression of "The Crocodile Hunter" are the memories that are crystal-clear. In fact, the kids were over the night and one of the boys said something. The other boy and I laughed and said at the same time, "That's so Miles!"
We as family took the time to know each other as people. Our kids are twins, but they were never Baby A and Baby B to us. They were unique individuals about whom it would have been impossible to film a television show without completely breaking their spirits. Thank you, Lisa, for reminding me of that. Thanks to the rest of you for listening to a mother who loves her kids ramble a little.

Cry Me a River said...

That blog was Kate letting her hair down. "Black and white stripes don't look good on me" so handle it yourself, I am not the complaints department. Interpretation - the kids are in exile unsupervised in a huge mansion. I found that particularly disturbing. There are enough of those kids of the same age to form a pack mentality, a peer group, a pecking order, when left to their own devices (to settle their own disputes). From what we are seeing in pictures I would say that Collin has not found his place in that order, and secondly Aaden. Joel and Hannah would be high in the order as they are the biggest and the most gregarious. Leah and Alexis are in the middle. Maddy and Cara of course rule if they care to step in. Judging from that scream we heard on the basement organization episode those brawls get pretty scary.

I know this because there were 7 of us growing up and we too were neglected in a similar but worse manner. My mother was in the area - at her mother's house - watching the soaps, drinking ice cold coca-cola in little bottles and eating oreo cookies ever so gingerly on china tea plates while we were left at home scrapping for our very lives at times.

I have scars to this day from those times. My sisters shaved my legs once and cut me really bad with a razor that needed stitches. They defied me to tell. They put me to bed under the blankets and told my mother I was "sick" and that they were taking care of me. They did take care of my leg every day. My mother either never caught on or pretended not to know - after all I was being take care of and her tradition of watching the soaps with her mom was not interrupted.

Another incident ingrained in my mind was when my older sister, who was very small (and yes there was never enough milk), got tired of the boys trying to do horrific things to us girls and I will never forget the sight of her having one of my much bigger brothers pinned behind the couch with a Pepsi bottle raised over her head with every intention of using it if he moved. That incident changed the order in our house. My sister is still the highest order in our group and no one crosses her to this day. I could go on and on. It was horrible. But we also spent countless hours playing school together as well. It was usually the mix between the boys and girls that caused the problems.

Suffice it to say, I feel really, really sorry for the Gosselin 8 being left unsupervised in a huge house to handle their own disputes. It may not be as dramatic as what we went through because there were no adults on site in our case, but it will still impact them greatly and not in a positive way.

What mom is not in and out of the room(s) where their kids are playing, checking on them particularly if they get quiet or loud?

pa mom too said...

Lisa, I totally agree.

Raising children is the hardest job in the world, but to only focus on the negative aspects of it (kids arguing, etc) is really sad. Not only is she missing out on so much with her children, but the children are the ones who are paying the price because they have a mother who is only interested in herself and her self serving pity party !

Cry Me a River said...

On a lighter note - I have time on my hands this morning, what we are seeing this week is but the calm before the storm. There are no pictures, etc., because they are busy filming the 8, with lots of surprises in store. I don't think they had any intention of Discovery Cove getting out. My feeling is there is going to be an all out punch centered around the DWTS return and that the kids are going to be filmed in all the right places doing all the right things. It is do or die time for Kate Plus 8 and TLC is going to fight for the life of that show with everything that they have in their little big huge bag of tricks. They are gearing up, not giving up. Afterall the Gosselin kids essentially put them on the map. Get ready for a huge onslaught on Gosselin fever from TLC, ABC, ROL, and whoever else they have in their pocket and whatever else it takes to keep them relevant.

ChurchMouse said...

For those reading Ms. Gosselin's blogging, and her latest book (especially that bit about Christmas) here is the anecdote antidote, from a woman who was a great mother and a wonderful writer--Erma Bombeck (b.1927 – d.1996)

"Christmas Chimes ~ by Erma Bombeck

Everything is in readiness.

The tree is trimmed. The cards taped to the door frame. The boxes stacked in glittering disarray under the tree.

Why don’t I hear chimes?

Remember the small boy who made the chimes ring in a fictional story years ago? As the legend went, the chimes would not ring unless a gift of love was placed on the altar. Kings and men of great wealth placed untold jewels there, but year after year the church remained silent.

Then one Christmas Eve, a small child in a tattered coat made his way down the aisle, and without anyone noticing he took off his coat and placed it on the altar. The chimes rang out joyously throughout the land to mark the unselfish giving of a small boy.

I used to hear chimes.

I heard them the year one of my sons gave me a tattered piece of construction paper on which he had crayoned two hands folded in prayer and a moving message, OH COME HOLY SPIT!

I heard them the year I got a shoe box that contained two baseball cards and the gum was still with them.

I heard them the Christmas they all got together and cleaned the garage.

They’re gone, aren’t they? The years of the lace doilies fashioned into snowflakes … the hands traced in plaster of paris … the Christmas trees of pipe cleaners … the thread spools that held small candles. They’re gone.

The chubby hands that clumsily used up $2 worth of paper to wrap a cork coaster are sophisticated enough to take a number and have the gift wrapped professionally.

The childish decision of when to break the ceramic piggy bank with a hammer to spring the 59 cents is now resolved by a credit card.

The muted thump of pajama-covered feet padding down the stairs to tuck her homemade crumb scrapers beneath the tree has given way to pantyhose and fashion boots to the knee.

It’ll be a good Christmas. We’ll eat too much. Make a mess in the living room. Throw the warranties into the fire by mistake. Drive the dog crazy taping bows to his tail. Return cookies to the plate with a bite out of them. Listen to Christmas music.

But Lord … what I would give to bend low and receive a gift of toothpicks and library paste and hear the chimes just one more time!"

Vanessa said...

What gets me too is when she speaks of the "negatives" in her life, it's with such flourish and animation (really enjoys the subject)but when it's to say something positive (remember the couch confessionals) it's like spitting out nails for her. It was soo hard for her to say anything nice about her kids, her helpers, getting "free stuff", Jodi, her parents, donations, and most importantly JON...
Then in one of the last episodes, the Dude Ranch one, where she calls her boys "little men" THAT was soooo scripted (obviously from all the flack she took from her boy bashing) It was NOT coming from the heart. The actual WORDS she used were soo weird anyways, but they STILL held no genuine feeling "Ok, just let me say what you want me to say"...and CUT!
All these excerpts from her book are exactly like her confessionals...I, I, I,...me, me, me, and how every little ordinary thing in her life has to be exaggerated.

Side note Khate-Maybe you wouldn't have had so much garbage if you weren't using paper plates everyday! (I wonder if they still use paper plates with the staff of nannies?) Or had gone through containers and containers of shampoo/conditioner in a week (how dirty were those kids anyways? They weren't allowed to DO anything) Or jugs and jugs of Juicy Juice. Something sooo simple is a prime example of her overconsumption philosophy, whatever makes life easier for ME, to hell with everyone else!

PA Grammy said...

Don't know if anyone has commented on this yet or not - but last night, I was watching Entertainment Tonight and they mentioned that Khate will be their "special commentator" on the upcoming finals of DWTS. Sounded like she'll be at the show filming her "comments." Like she knows what good dancing is all about!

I was SO glad when she was finally eliminated and sent home, but it looks like she's B-A-A-A-C-K! I've been enjoying the show without her. AND,who will be watching those precious kids? Maybe Jon, with any luck - they do seem so much happier when they are with him.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

Umm, when God lays it on your heart to do something, you do not seek attention and praise for it. What you do for God, He will reward you if it's pure from the heart. Everything she's ever done she's always made sure she advertises it for credit.
I can't explain it. There's just something about the way she words stuff, it always seems to be for praise. I'm talking about almost every word that exits her mouth so of course it spills over into her writing. I think a lot of people (TLC) have helped to create a monster. I don't think this is the way she was raised because if it was she would not have booted EVERY family member out of her life. Her parents have to be so ashamed of her and so hurt. The lies, cons, money hungry, sell your soal attitude.

franky said...

That's just sad. I know my daughter had an outburst yesterday, can't remember what about, but I remember how she gave me a big hug this morning and told me she loved me with the biggest smile..don't think I'll ever forget the feeling of that =)

We also talk to each other, and one thing she mentioned is that her bf never says I love you to her mother, my dd thought that was completely weird, we say we love each other all the time. I wonder how often those words are heard in Kate's house?

Dr. G. said...

I think that Kate feels like a martyr for sacrificing her own reputation in order to get her children the life that she wants for them. We all want good things for our children, but we also want them to look up to the good example that we try to set.
Who wants to watch a program that simply shows a bunch of ordinary children (not cute babies, not unusually attractive or talented children) GETTING trips, toys, and goodies of all types that are not available to our families? I don't see how people can relate unless they live a fantasy life in which they think that they can follow Kate's example.
Unless those children are dressed in matching clothing and have elaborate hairdos, they don't look any different from
ordinary kids in an Asian country or any country. We perceive them as looking like a matched set because they are 3/3 and have Asian features. However, they are six unique individuals and at their current ages need to be treated as such.

MBach said...

Wow!
"sweet moments of love and compassion to balance these never-ending stressful encounters"

What kind of mother refers to time with her children as an encounter?

Yes, I know. Only the lovely Ms Gosselin. The kind of mother that wants her children to make an appointment through the nanny BEFORE they gain audience with her. The kind of mother that expects her children to always be clean and tidy, wearing matching outfits, and ready to bow or curtsy within her royal presence.

Where does that come from??
Was her upbringing that rigid?
Is she really that devoid of love?

This is the very thing that makes me crazy about why she is held up as a great mom. She mothers like someone studying a different species.

Lucy said...

From the last thread:
Jane in CA said: "Do others think we are somehow contributing to keeping her on the air, by discussing and exposing her phoniness and downright meanness?"

I don't think we are. Only the viewing public or media sheeple are keeping her out there. I agree with Sharla though that the mods do not need to recap Khate's new series ... it's going to be nothing new, totally boring and not deserving of our time! We all know what goes on in the "filming" (cough, child labour) so, for me, to read recaps of it, is just unproductive. Let her new series tank without further ado! JMHO.

Anne said...

Anyone else watch 20/20 tonight, they were talking about Diane Downs, that mother who murdered her own children because they became an inconvenience to her. When the psychiatrist described her as sociopathic and disconnected, I had chills down my back because she reminded me of someone we all know. Diane Downs loved being pregnant, but she has no real love for any of her poor kids.
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It was chilling. When they showed how Diane loved being on camera and giving interviews, less than a week after 1 child had died and 2 were in intensive care. She was just aglow on TV eating up the attention. (Reminded me of someone too.)

Then when the psychiatrist talked about Diane's narcissism and said she had kids for the love/attention they would provide her, not the love/attention she would provide them. (Just screamed "Kate" in my mind.)

Riley said...

Has Kate ever said how much fun her kids are? or how she loves spending time with them? I don't think I've ever heard her say that. Which is sad.If all my Mom remembered was my brother and I fussing and fighting that would have benn most of our life until he left for college. Kids are loud and rambucious most of the time if they're not then there is something wrong. But in all that are tender, laughable and sweet moments. Sometimes I don't think Kate has any feelings towards anything. It's like I have to say how hard it is being a Mom or my kids weigh me down cause she thinks people won't feel sorry for her otherwise. Which is wrong. I think in her delusional mind she thinks she has fooled all of America with her sham of a life. Which again proves just how delusional she is. With her new show Kate plus 8 if she did what she did on the other show and gripes all the time it will fail more than I think it will. I just want her to be somewhat real. Maybe the botox doesn't allow her to be that way.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Kudos to the mods for not recapping the new show(s). Life is too precious to waste it on the Kons. They have been exposed for what they are. If the sheeple want to waste their time and money supporting their cause. So be it. Everytime one clicks on ROL to look at their pics, or comments about them, it is supporting the Kons in their game. Using their kids to get rich. I can not think of one reason a non-sheeple would watch the show or click on any links.

dustilies said...

To continue Lisa's discussion of the quote from celebritygossip that KIT posted at the end of last week:


"The 35-year-old also dished about her method for calming intense situations, saying, "I'm to the point where I hold up my hand and say, 'I'm not the complaint department, and I don't like how black and white stripes look on me, so go work it out. If you can't, I'll help you.' And I leave it to them."

WTF? Is that reference to black and white stripes a threat that she will abuse them so badly that she will end up in jail???? Terrific. She manages to roll together the threat of a beat-down with the threat of being taken away from them (because they are so disagreeable) into one mega-bomb of anxiety. This is supposed to calm the waters?

I agree with Lisa--there are moments when every parent considers running away or locking the kids out of the house. But these moments tend to be fleeting--they are something you don't dwell on. Certainly something you don't brag about to total strangers. Certainly something you don't etch on to the internet for your kids and all the people that know them to see someday.

Rose said...

Oh, and in her letter to Hannah, she told her that "people always fail you, but God never will", and in almost the same breath, she basically said she would never fail Hannah. Those were her exact words: PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS FAIL YOU. What the heck is she thinking telling a child that?!?!? Unreal.

Rose said...

Okay, I know I added this near the bottom of the last discussion thread, but if it's all right, I'd like to paste it once again to the top here, because I think it's very telling. It's a direct quote from Kate's new book about that donation she "fought with God" over giving to the family from the church. Just in case you haven't seen it yet...

"One of my very favorite stories...began on Christmas Eve of 2006...my sister Kendra was talking about a family at her church with four kids, whose Christmas was going to be difficult for them because the dad had been unemployed for over a year...I could not stop thinking about that family. I knew God was saying I needed to write them a check. I remember arguing with him (God) for a few days, but he wouldn't let up, and he even put a number in my head. Finally, out of exasperation, I called my sister to get the family's name and address...(Kate goes on for a while longer about how she literally had to run to the mailbox because, you know, with eight kids, even going to the mailbox is a huge chore) When I opened up the mailbox, I saw another envelope inside with a bow on it. It hadn't come through the mail system. In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside. A gift card for Sam's Club in the exact amount I had just written the check for. This is only one example of the many times God has provided for us. We could not deny his work in our house. Chance could not have put that envelope in our mailbox with the gift card. In the exact amount. On the exact day. This still amazes me!"

KatesDirtyFlintstoneToes said...

Jane in CA said...
I agree with the mods decision not to recap any new episodes. I see that some people plan to take a week off (or maybe longer?)

I don't know that this blog could be said to contribute to Kate's popularity or ratings.
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Jane, Kate keeps coming back, doesn't she???
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Jane in CA said...
Do others think we are somehow contributing to keeping her on the air, by discussing and exposing her phoniness and downright meanness?
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Jane, She now has TWO new shows, TWO!

Jane, I am a fan of your posts, and I enjoy posting here too..it's fun! But I think it IS contributing to her popularity & "keeping her out there"

overthehill said...

when are the gosselins going on the parenting course

NoUse4Kate said...

sick sick sick said...

To concerned in PA
I also called about things on the NET that was SICK,SICK SICK.The computer xpert called me and ask me the address and he found it and told me to call back if I find more.
PLEASE CALL



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What did I miss? I did read up on the last blog, but I cannot seem to find what it is that you are speaking of.

Reading news said...

"...(Kate goes on for a while longer about how she literally had to run to the mailbox because, you know, with eight kids, even going to the mailbox is a huge chore) When I opened up the mailbox, I saw another envelope inside with a bow on it. It hadn't come through the mail system. In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside. A gift card for Sam's Club in the exact amount I had just written the check for. This is only one example of the many times God has provided for us."
-----------------------------------This beautiful example of Kate's generosity brought a tear to my eye. It also surprised me as I didn't know Sam's had gift checks in the amount of $5.00.

uneasy said...

I wouldn't worry about the blog - I'm pretty sure Kate doesn't write it. From her spoken appearances on TV, it does not seem as if she possesses the literary skills to put together a proper sentence, much less a paragraph or a blog entry. These are all probably written by some TLC ghost writer under the direction of her image consultants, all trying to portray Kate as someone their viewers can relate to - part of her branding. By inference, do you really think Kate puts the kids to bed, do you really think she cleans up the kitchen after dinner, do you really think she eats dinner with the kids or spends more than 5 minutes a day relating to them as a mother?

Having Kate complain about the unloving loud outbursts is just a way to create an image of her as a real life mom, frazzled and harried. You're meant to sympathize with her, and feel sorry for her.

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

these unloving loud outbursts are what I tend to remember."

Im not certain what an 'unloving outburst' is or why an 'outburst' ( I am assuming from a child) would be categorized by a PARENT as 'unloving'. There are many many VALID reasons that would result in a child having an 'outburst' ie anger/frustration, inability to communicate, tired/overwhelmed, etc. IMO, it is absolutely ridiculous for Kate to associate a child's 'outburst' with a measurement of 'love'. If that's the case, does Kate consider 'loving' behavior from her children if and ONLY when they are being vocally compliant and non expressive? Seriously, and this is the woman that is going to 'walk in the shoes' of other parents and offer personal support and words of advice?

Ohio Buckeye said...

From the previous week's thread: "I think this blog is one of the best sources for debunking Kate that I've seen. I'm sure TLC execs would be ecstatic to see it go silent all of a sudden."

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JaneinCA, I agree with you - I enjoy reading GWoP.

IMO, this is a more interesting place to go and freely voice than the one other blog I tried for awhile, where, to post anything but a basic fan letter, tended to be personalized by that family's followers and considered unfair, inappropriate, and probably even blasphemous.

I am no longer interested in the Gosselin parents. I feel very bad for the kids, but realize there is really nothing I can do to help them. They are stuck in a bizzaro and decidedly UNrealistic 'reality'. May the heavens watch over them.

As to your point, I have mixed feelings. I absolutely agree that this debunking of the Gosselin and 'reality' scam is a worthwhile endeavor.

What bothers me is that the tv execs seem to operate beneath the delusion that ANY interest, even the absolute negativity, is proof that they have created a ratings-sustainable product. IMO, this is insanely illogical and erroneous, but this would not be the first time big business has based its own major financial expenditures on faulty interpretation of marketing data.

And, so, I really don't know if this blog is more detrimental to the Gosselin/'reality' scam by debunking it OR, conversely, more life-giving to the Gosselin/'reality' ordeal by its being used as a measure of viewer 'interest'.

Thoughts, anyone else?

PS - Yours are some of the comments I always so enjoy, Jane! I would miss reading them.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

In the previous thread, another person quoted the book wherein Kate says she argued with God over making a donation for a family in need ...
"One of my very favorite stories...began on Christmas Eve of 2006...my sister Kendra was talking about a family at her church with four kids, whose Christmas was going to be difficult for them because the dad had been unemployed for over a year...I could not stop thinking about that family. I knew God was saying I needed to write them a check. I remember arguing with him (God) for a few days, but he wouldn't let up, and he even put a number in my head. Finally, out of exasperation, I called my sister to get the family's name and address...(Kate goes on for a while longer about how she literally had to run to the mailbox because, you know, with eight kids, even going to the mailbox is a huge chore) When I opened up the mailbox, I saw another envelope inside with a bow on it. It hadn't come through the mail system. In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside. A gift card for Sam's Club in the exact amount I had just written the check for. This is only one example of the many times God has provided for us. We could not deny his work in our house. Chance could not have put that envelope in our mailbox with the gift card. In the exact amount. On the exact day. This still amazes me!"


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WHO ARGUES WITH GOD???? WHO BRAGS ABOUT THEIR OWN CHARITABLE DONATIONS? How did that conversation go? "Gee God, I'm not listening to you because you're wrong! Didnt you see my show episode 7 where I proved you wrong???!"

What an idiot.....if I had found myself in her position, which was in receipt of a donation/gift card for the same amount, I would have gifted that as well. My gift would have suddenly doubled for that family, or given to two families instead. This is simply because if I could afford to give a gift, I was not in need and should share with less fortunate.

sewsew said...

and I would never second guess a mom for the decision she makes for her own children...she knows them better than anyone.

Except Kate, of course.

KyPastor said...

It is difficult for some to see beyond their own needs and wants.
If I give $ XX dollars to this person, I won't be able to have all the things I usually have, and that becomes self-sacrifice. To give a substantial check to a family who could not provide for itself would hardly be a case of the giver's children going without Christmas or food or clothing. It boils down to what extras will have to be let go because of this gift.

I offer this Scripture verse: "To whom much is given, much is required" (from the Sermon on the Plain in Luke 12)

It is interesting to note that the percentage of income given to charitable works is much LARGER in
lower income families and much SMALLER in larger income families.
Percentages, not actual dollars.
I find it sad that the wealthier among us are not stepping up with
higher percentages.

The key, however, is not the amount or the percentage, but the
heart that is behind the gift. Again with the Scriptures: "Each one must do as he has made up his mind, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." (II Corinthians
9:7)

When's the last time I joyously gave to someone with a need I've heard about? I should practice what I preach. We'll see if I do or I don't.

DEJ said...

Jane in CA said: "Do others think we are somehow contributing to keeping her on the air, by discussing and exposing her phoniness and downright meanness?"
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My opinion on this is I absolutely think the blogs are keeping Kate in the spotlight.

I think that Kate's team (PR, TLC, etc) are using the negativity to market Kate. They have nothing else to work with at this point so they are turning the negative into a way to keep her going and make tons of money.

I believe they go to TV shows like DWTS and go to companies with products to sell by saying she may be controversial but she brings in big ratings. For example, they can use ROL as a way to show her popularity. They can tell people "whenever we have a picture of Kate posted we get hundreds of hits". If you are looking for someone to make money off of this sounds great. However, if they don't read the actual comments they will never know that it's only the same few people posting every day talking about all kinds of things sometimes just posting one word such as Hi. It is some scam probably from her PR to make it look like she is so popular.

Unfortunately, I feel they read the blogs and use the negativity to their advantage.

Having said all that, I enjoy reading this blog and everyones thoughtful comments. I keep hoping that somebody with the power to change things will get information from these blogs that will help the children.

Cry Me a River said...

My fear is that if we don't continue to post our feelings here people will buy into the fodder they are being fed by the PR machine via the media storm that is sure to come. Most of us are knowledgeable of the Gosselin hype from day 1 whereas I would say a majority of people are just getting introduced to them and would be subject to believing the hype if not for the insight they ocome here to glean by the numbers on a daily basis. I for one hope that we all continue on and don't get discouraged as we have obviously made a difference. More and more people are joining us in voice daily, I have noticed as well and we have the numbers to back us up. We are reaching tons of people - we are the tiny voice in the back of their mind that says wait a minute maybe these people do know what they are talking about. Something is not right here. I quite frankly am more worried about those kids than ever, every time Khate opens her mouth it gets worse instead of better.

she is evil said...

Maybe the kind person who anonymously left a Sams gift card for the Greedelins should blog about it too.

"I saw this lower middle class idiot of a mother on tv who purposely had more kids than she and her husband could afford to raise. She was unlikeable, mean and absolutely shameless as she begged for handouts. The size of her ass indicated that at least SHE was getting plenty to eat. As much as this ignorant shrew annoyed me, I decided to give the dope a Sams card (not the requested cash) in hopes that she would use it to feed her kids. Now I will make sure my good deed is negated by blogging about it. Surely people will think I am a great person now that I've bragged about my generosity...my usual actions and behavior don't seem to have that effect. Hope the large assed whiner passes on the favor with equal grace."

She is destroying her kids said...

ChurchMouse said..."While I agree that Ms. Gosselin is exhibiting the qualities of a stage mother, she does not appear to have the tendencies of a sociopath or a psychopath.

In my opinion, Ms. Gosselin is misguided, foolish, and greedy, but she is not in the same catagory as Ms. Downs. That's a whole other level of psychiatry."

Never underestimate the emptiness of a narcissist. She may not exhibit the exact pathology of Ms. Downs, but she has the same emptiness of soul.

Her method of destruction of her children is not as final as Ms. Downs; but it is still destructive none the less. A destruction that will haunt them the rest of their lives.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Thanks to the mods and everyone for the excellent comments. Miscelleneous thoughts in response to comments:
I agree with all who say no to recaps. Eough is enough.
Ambivalent about the blog taking a break. Overall I think tlc and the sheeple would take it as a "win" and this crap really does need debunking. More selfishly, I too anticipate a huge media push from tlc and will need you folks for respite!
First season watching dwts -finding it surprisingly enjoyable w/o K8. Won't be watching the minute she's back.
I took ithe reference to black and white stripes as a reference to a referee................maybe I'm being too kind?
On top of the outrage about her "donation," I believe it is illegal to remove something from any mailbox that is not one's own
"Performance review" of Collin. Thinking about it, comments about her kids are almost always "performance reviews." I agree that she perceives herself as a martyr and boy these kids BETTER live up to HER expectations.
Sympathy? Not from me. MAYBE if she sttopped the pity party, became enlightened and started doing the opposite of what she's done for the past 5 years, got intensive therapy, parenting classes (plural), apologized to everyone (by actions, not words), thanked everyone who's helped her, oh, my list is endless. Nope, no sympathy from me.

fidosmommy said...

Is that reference to black and white stripes a threat that she will abuse them so badly that she will end up in jail????

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I think she was referring to a referee's uniform, not the jailhouse look.

dustilies said...

thanks, NE Psychologist, for this response to my speculation that black and white stripes referred to a jail uniform:

"I took the reference to black and white stripes as a reference to a referee................maybe I'm being too kind?"
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I think you are right--a little embarrassed here for jumping to such an extreme conclusion.

Still, a weird way for a mother to talk about her interactions with her kids. Notice it is "I" centered. With no constructive advice about or system for the kids to resolve their disputes.

nanny said...

God was testing Kate when the gift card was left in the mailbox.. he wanted to see of she would really sacrifice and give both the cheque and gift card...

I guess she failed.

Seriously, you still want to be patted on the back for this?

nanny said...

whats the maximum amount of a sam's gift card anyhow?

KateIsEvil said...

sigh:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/05/kate-gosselin-filmed-special-with-kids-in-central-florida.html

The Gosselin 8 get pulled out of school and finally get to leave the Konpound now that filming has resumed.

ChurchMouse said...

"She is destroying her kids said...
...Her method of destruction of her children is not as final as Ms. Downs; but it is still destructive none the less. A destruction that will haunt them the rest of their lives."

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On that point, I will agree. Please note how Brooke Shields' continues to fight to clean up of some of the decisions her mother made for her as a very young girl.(By the way, Ms. Shields has my utmost respect for taking control of her career and her life, and also for being so open about her battle with Postpartum depression.)

tigerfan said...

If the Gosselin children were in fact removed from so they could participate in the Kate + 8 filming in Florida, IMO, their absence from school IS considered 'WORK' and not a family 'vacation'. My question is, the law requires that the Gosselin children MUST have working permits during filming but what laws are in place that require subsidized schooling, ie 'on set' for the Gosselin children when they are REMOVED from school to accomodate a WORK schedule?

MoonandMango said...

"when are the gosselins going on the parenting course"

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It's not a parenting course. It's one video, and they can either go together or separately.

MoonandMango said...

"For those reading Ms. Gosselin's blogging, and her latest book (especially that bit about Christmas) here is the anecdote antidote, from a woman who was a great mother and a wonderful writer--Erma Bombeck (b.1927 – d.1996)"

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How about Erma's "Wet Oatmeal Kisses?" I have this tucked inside my wallet and occasionally pull it out. I think of Kate every time I read it:

"One of these days you'll explode and shout to all the kids, "Why don't you just grow up and act your age!" And they will...

Or, "You guys get outside and find something to do -- without hurting each other And don't slam the door!" And they don't.

You'll straighten their bedrooms until it's all neat and tidy, toys displayed on the shelf, hangers in the closet, animals caged. You'll yell, "Now I want it to stay this way!" And it will...

You will prepare a perfect dinner with a salad that hasn't had all the olives picked out and a cake with no finger traces in the icing and you'll say, "Now this is a meal for company." And you will eat it alone...

You'll yell, "I want complete privacy on the phone. No screaming, Do you hear me?" And no one will answer.

No more plastic tablecloths stained. No more dandelion bouquets. No more iron-on patches. No more wet, knotted shoelaces, muddy boots or rubber bands for ponytails.

Imagine.... a lipstick with a point, no babysitters for New Years Eve, washing clothes only once a week, no PTA meetings or silly school plays where your child is a tree, no car pools, blaring stereos or forgotten lunch money.

No more Christmas presents made of library paste and toothpicks, no wet oatmeal kisses, no more tooth fairy, no more giggles in the dark, scraped knees to kiss or sticky fingers to clean.

Only a voice asking, "Why don't you grow up?" And the silence echoes: "I did"

IDModo said...

Dustilies-I jumped to the same extreme conclusion about the black and white stripes. Don't feel bad. Kate 's behaviour is so extreme that it invites extreme conclusions.Of course, she probably DID mean a referee;but reports of her unpredictably violent outbursts make it easy to see it a different way.
In a strange way this woman is traumatizing all of us, not just her kids.We are testing the outer limits of outrage. Imagine what it's like for those around her every day..

lukebandit said...

@ HW loved your post! i can't believe they took the kids out of school and shipped them to orlando to film and Colin? was sick and vomiting? as many people that have cell phones couldn't someone of videoed this and sent it to AMC or authorities? to hand off a sick child to the nanny so she can make love to the camera is insane. she is a vulgar, demented non human, devoid of all morals and humanity and looks like jacka@@.

loved also who posted that she shoved her big hoof down her throat, once again? lol

Cry Me a River said...

Small Sacrifices - by Ann Rule. An indepth and well written book about Diane Downs. A page turner.

silimom said...

Re: Kate's charitable giving - Kate, this is for you.

Matthew 6:2-4
So when you give to the poor, don't announce it with trumpet fanfare. This is what hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets in order to be praised by people. I can guarantee this truth: That will be their only reward. 3When you give to the poor, don't let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. 4Give your contributions privately. Your Father sees what you do in private. He will reward you.

Kate's need to discuss her "giving" of the check and then being rewarded with the gift card are classic prosperity gospel testimony. I'm not saying that God does not bless people. But it is not a "quid pro quo" relationship. That's my belief at least.

Rose said...

"On top of the outrage about her "donation," I believe it is illegal to remove something from any mailbox that is not one's own."
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This is funny, because I thought the same thing. Maybe someone else who read the book can help me, because it didn't make sense to me when I read it. Did Kate get it out of her own mailbox or what? She did not indicate that it had her name on it or anything like that - all she said was that it was an envelope with a bow on it. From what I understand, it seems that she assumed it was God bringing that gift card to her, and that it was her duty to take it and let it make up for the exact check amount that she wrote for the other family.

How interesting that it never crossed her mind to donate that card as well, whether it was to the previously mentioned family or someone else. She made it sound as if she put a dangerous dent in her checking account with that donation and needed the Sam's Club money to provide for her family. Honestly, at this point, I don't know if she's even aware how much of a fool she is making of herself. It would be pretty sad if anyone actually realized that about themselves and kept doing it.

And as a side note...I agree with Riley's observation that Kate doesn't seem to talk much about the fun she has with her kids. The mundane and repetitive things she does say about them seem to mostly serve her own ego, so she can easily turn the conversation back to herself. But for instance, with Alexis's famous "Hi Mommy" scene from back when Kate returned from her tummy tuck procedure, or when Leah said "Hannah pooped in Hannah's underwears," look closely at Kate's reactions. On the show, she said things like "So cute" and "Oh, precious moments!" and in her new book, she referred to Alexis as "oh so adorable," but in both cases--in person and in print--there was no emotion behind those words. None. I have heard several mothers speak about their children, and let me tell you - whether or not you have kids of your own, you can tell when a parent is being sincere when you hear them. And by the same token, if they are fake and focused on themselves, you can tell that too.

I think it's been made pretty clear that Kate enjoys talking about Kate more than anything else, and if her kids can serve as a springboard in keeping the Subject of Kate alive and kicking, then she is happy to introduce them to the conversation, but that seems to be her main motive. If she mentions them at all, in any situation, it is a carefully laid plan to portray herself as the sacrificial martyr of a mother who has given up everything in the world for them. It is all about her, period.

emschick1128 said...

I still am stunned by Kate admission that she struggled with actually helping a family in need and after "wresting" with God over it she's thrilled when she gets a gift card in the same amount. That is so screwed up and speaks volumes as to her character. She really found it that diificult to help someone then had to pat herself on the back?? She makes me so sick I can't even describe it. I just can't believe she's allowed to publicly do with her kids what she does. She parades them around like some freak show, keeping them out of school to film even when they're. The tups should be about 19 when they graduate from high school since they have to work to support their parents. I wish she could be stopped. She's such a horrible person.

lukebandit said...

i think the only reason why she is even touching the subject of wrestling with the decision of giving to the struggling church family is because she wants to keep a life line open to the churches so she can still get money out of them.

she is despicable.

Mary said...

when did God start giving out gift cards. I wonder what stores he f
favors besides Sam's club. Does Angel deliever the gift cards. Another thing Do she and God talk regularly? Is this a one party line. I now know why she is ignoring her children she and God are on interview chair. Maybe we should watch God may pay a visit

freewilly said...

SHEEEES BACK
I just watched ET and she will be on Monday,covering the DWTS.

Monster Mommy said...

@ Rose...
Kate's a GREEDY GOBLIN. I'm not surprised she kept the gift card, then wrote off the donation she gave to the poor family, as a year end- "2006 TAX WRITE-OFF". So she actually made money outta' the deal.

Next- TV filming is a major bitch. I worked at L.A. Air Force Base (DoD), for a dozen years. We would act as extras in Hollywood films constantly... While on duty! The movie I was most recently in was Adam Sandler's "The Longest Yard". I hated it, and it was "The Longest Day!" Cameras, and HOT HOT HOT and tiring and annoying/borderline boring, no breaks... and not at all worth seeing the "STAHS!"

Needless to say... That was my last day. I was so exhausted working for 17 hours, my "acting career" was over before it ever began... (Giggle).

Wonder if Aaden's barfing in the Florida Park, over the weekend, prompted Kate to stop the TLC filming?? (No response required)

N.E. Psychologist said...

Dustlilies and IDModo - I completely understand your conclusions about the stripes.
I on the other hand, presumed that she took her check "donation" to a public mailbox and thought that that was where she found the Sam's card. (and removed it from a public mailbox). (still not sure)
She and tlc are a never ending pit regarding how low they will sink.

jasmine said...

Let me see if I can get this story straight. Kate wrote a check to a struggling family. She didn't want to write the check but God made her do it and told her the amount to put on the check. When she put the check in her mailbox, she found a Sam's gift card for the same amount (did she even send the family her check?). A few years later, she tried to sell this story in a book that tanked.

fidosmommy said...

So, if Kate had decided not to give a check to the family, and had gone to the mailbox for her regular mailbox run, would the box with a bow still have been there?
What if she had never heard about the family from her sister Kendra?
Would the gift card have come anyway?

I bet these little "gifts" have slowed down since she now picks up her mail at FedX. Darn the luck!
The price we pay for privacy!

K8STFU said...

Jenny – you were not nitpicking at all. K8 often mentioned the tups’ marathon naps and the fact that they also went to be quite early. Then there was the tv they didn’t watch, the nannies and helpers who weren’t there and the personal chef to make her organic monkey munch . K8 has never been a real mom to those kids.

Cry Me a River – thank you for sharing your story. I hope that you and your sibs are in a much better place now.

tigerfan – Hmmmmm, why do the kids need WORK PERMITS if they are not working ?

Regarding blogging about Queenie: GWOP and similar sites are/have been instrumental in outing this beast of a mother. However, I DO think that clicking on ROL/Just Jared/Perez Hilton and commenting on every media site: The View, DWTS, etc does fuel the TLC fire

Monster Mommy said...

Yes, my dear Jasmine... That is correct.

She argued with God... then he responded- "Woman, just write the bloody check, you earned sitting on your plastic throne! Besides, you'll just use it as a tax write off later anyway."

I don't want to start any BLASPHEMOUS rumors... but my God that woman is evil!

And I'm glad the Mods are not doing show recaps... Thanks guys.

jibberjabbers said...

1st of all, why did she take the "gift card" from someone else mail box? Did she think it belonged to her?

2) Maybe someone donated the gift card to the struggling family, and Kate decided to "take it", thinking it was "God's" ways of saying thank you.

K8STFU said...

when did God start giving out gift cards. I wonder what stores he f
favors besides Sam's club ..

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Hi Mary -

I think God also favors P&G because K8 once mentioned that she needed paper towels and POOF! a package of Bounty appeared on her front doorstep. So, the Lord DOES provide in mysterious ways !

And, for future reference, when I snark about K8's "faith" I am in no way trying to disrespect anybody's religious beliefs . I am just disgusted at how K8 has used her faith as part of her scam.

this and that said...

I picked this off the previous Free Discussion thread:

"SoCalGal said...
YUK! US.com is running an article about how Karina Smirnoff wants to teach Kart to dance.
Some of her remarks will make you want to upchuck. I wonder how much TLC paid her to say these sweet things about Kart."
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Unless my memory is really failing me, I could swear it was Karina who was engaged to Maks, maybe last year. I think in this season so far, I've seen her dance only once, with one of the other pros. Makes you wonder if she and Maks can't be on the same season together. It seemed to me that he all but said he couldn't stand Kate, using facial expressions or other comments instead of those actual words (I think he's a friend of Tony's), so maybe Karina is going pro-Kate just to spite him. It may have nothing to do with Kate at all but, of course, I may be stretching the theory, too. I believe Karina was also linked to a previous contestant on DWTS, Mario Lopez, who now hosts one of those evening tabloid/entertainment shows, unless they were just doing it for the publicity.

Can I just add a P.S.? I think it's wise of the mods not to recap Kate's new show(s). I'm finding the discipline I thought I lacked in clicking on anything Gosselin and I'm also trying to cut down on how much I post here. I find if you stay away from it all a couple of days, the withdrawal is fairly effortless, however much I feel like we're abandoning the kids (as vocal champions for them if nothing else) when we leave, but the big TLC/Jon&Kate machine is hard to go up against; they're, of course, hoping for triumph. I'm still thinking that Kate, at least, has shot herself in the foot, or whatever that expression is, in terms of any popularity (that is, I am wondering just how high in numbers the viewership will go on any new shows). I'm hoping that the popularity has tanked, since there's been so much that's negative written about her and Jon over this past year. A lot of the press hasn't been positive. Abuse of kids is never popular.

Aislinn said...

The story about the Sam's club think triggered something in my memory, and I'm not sure I'm remembering it right. Please tell me if anyone else recalls this.

I thought once when Jon and Kate were sitting on the interview couch back when they were still doing the show, Kate was talking about how they didn't have enough money for their electric bill or water bill or something one year when the tups were babies. Kate was talking about how they were literally looking in the couch cushions for change. But then that same day, someone left them a check either at their door or in their mailbox for the exact amount they needed.

I can't remember what episode this was, or maybe I'm remembering it wrong? It just felt like I've heard this story before.

EEW get off my show!! said...

freewilly said...
SHEEEES BACK
I just watched ET and she will be on Monday,covering the DWTS.
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Well, my unseen form of protest will be to channel surf the minute her mug shows up on the screen and to mute the TV if I hear her grating voice. I watch DWTS for the sheer entertainment value and Kate Gosselin has none!

TandLMommy28 said...

There are days that I spend counting the minutes until bed time. Sometimes I cry, sometimes I want to have a tantrum with my kids. Sometimes I take a looooong shower when my husband gets home to relax.

But it never fails.

As soon as the kids fall asleep, the strangest thing happens!

I miss them! I stand at their doors and I wish that they were still awake and am already thinking about what we will do tomorrow. Any bad that occurred that day is already a distant memory.

I think this Mommy Amnesia is a blessing that most of us have experienced. I feel sad for Kate that she has admitted she does not know what this is like... so sad for her and her kids.

fidosmommy said...

Some random thoughts.

Kate wants us to change her name to Kare. No more Kart, now it's Kare. Because she Kares so much about others.

What if the poor family from church
had gone to one of the Gosselin's
church talks and heard how much Jon and Kate were struggling and they decided to give the Gosselins a gift card?

The tups would have been about 2 years and 9 months old at this time. Did Kate have regular sitters then? Was Jon even working then? I don't remember.
I wonder why going down the driveway to the mailbox was such a huge event. I am assuming she was getting regular mail delivery at the house at the time. Couldn't the children have walked with her
or watched out the window for those
2 minutes? Or is that a bad idea?
I know my mom would put me on the porch within watch/listen distance for a couple of minutes while she did a small chore outside, like
water her patio flowers or replace an outdoor light bulb. How long could it take Kate to walk to the end of the driveway and back, especially since she wasn't going to stop for a chat with any neighbors?

Also, if her sister talked to her on Christmas Eve and the whole idea was to buy the family Christmas presents, didn't God "talk" to Kate a little late?
By the time Kate quit wrestling with God it would be time for new Easter outfits.

Can't See Sheep said...

Monster Mommy said...

@ Rose...
Kate's a GREEDY GOBLIN. I'm not surprised she kept the gift card, then wrote off the donation she gave to the poor family, as a year end- "2006 TAX WRITE-OFF". So she actually made money outta' the deal.
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It's funny, kate puts these stories out there to try & make herself look good & all each one of them has done is backfired. She always undoes herself with her own story. That's what happens when you do things to try & look good, rather than out of the goodness of your heart. The narcissist always shoots themselves in the leg before they start the marathon.

no actor's life for me! said...

snipped from monstermommy: TV filming is a major bitch. I worked at L.A. Air Force Base (DoD), for a dozen years. We would act as extras in Hollywood films constantly... While on duty! The movie I was most recently in was Adam Sandler's "The Longest Yard". I hated it, and it was "The Longest Day!" Cameras, and HOT HOT HOT and tiring and annoying/borderline boring, no breaks... and not at all worth seeing the "STAHS!" Needless to say... That was my last day. I was so exhausted working for 17 hours, my "acting career" was over before it ever began... (Giggle).
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I have thought of this so many times when it comes to the little Gosselins being forced under the harsh lights and lenses of cameras. My husband and I both worked in broadcast TV behind the scenes and, before I married him, my boyfriends through those years all were in this same line of work. Not the reporter/anchor, the editor/audio guy or the production manager/cameraman among them EVER wanted to work in movies or a TV series. You have no life. It's take after take and a lot of boring, waiting-around, all day long and into the night. Tedious. Some directors are tyrannical and obsessive perfectionists, needing the perfect shot, the exact nuance...and it doesn't mean they're the best at what they do either (it's often just a lot of arrogance and very self-serving in the name of creativity). Maybe you've heard of actors talking about how much time they stay off set in their trailers between scenes. Some take up needlepoint, etc. to pass the time.

I think this illustrates just how hard this kind of life is for a child. They don't understand why they have to do what they're being told to do...young children don't understand Mommy's edict, "this is our family business." They just want to play, or nap or whatever. It's childhood; it's supposed to be carefree. They don't need the shackles of filming! Exactly what are they learning on a film set? (Please, the field trips they could be taking anyway!) Some child actors have said they enjoyed some of their time as a child actor/performer but most will be quick to highlight the negatives. There's a rigidity about filming and being filmed that most people who've never done it can't comprehend. It's not all glam and glitz...and it's unrealistic to think small children wouldn't get bored and weary with it.

I can tell you from experience that if I had a child, I would never subject him or her to an actor's life until they're old enough to decide, even somewhat, for themselves. I will say this for Tom Cruise, who was on Oprah this past week, speaking of his son who, at 14 or 15, took on his first acting role. Seems Tom left it up to the kid to decide WHEN and IF.

This is what is so awful about the Gosselin kids being continually in front of any variety of cameras and that is, from Day One, never having a voice about it. How many of them...say, as adults...will be "okay" with the exposure they've been sacrificed to by the very parents who should have been protective on their behalf? Time will tell...and I think the Gosselin kids will tell a LOT.

I hope they do, and that it will be therapeutic for them. I'll be waiting to respond and give my sympathy/empathy...and tell them that a whole bunch of us out here in cyberland/nowhereland were very concerned for them.

Can't See Sheep said...

@freewilly, thanks for this info.


Mary said...
Another thing Do she and God talk regularly? Is this a one party line.
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I'm sorry Mary, if it sounds like I'm disrespecting your comment I don't mean to. If I insult anyone's beliefs I do apologize. The visual makes me giggle. All kinds of images run through my head. A large bearded deity type jumping up & down, shouting at the top of his lungs, but nope, kate's still not able to hear. Like she's in the cone of silence from Get Smart. kate hearing voices, kate chasing the devil with his own pitchfork, kate cleaning out the 5th level of hell like she cleaned Mady & Cara's room, kate speaking in tongues!!! There we go people the reason that weird little babble of her's exists-ish, that's as close as katie can get to speaking in tongues. kate being told to go on DWTS by the neighbour's cows (sorry, Son of Sam got in there, go figure), yeah, that one wiley organic one in the herd that was eyeing them on the hay ride, she moos kate's commands at midnight!

silimom said...

lukebandit said...
i think the only reason why she is even touching the subject of wrestling with the decision of giving to the struggling church family is because she wants to keep a life line open to the churches so she can still get money out of them.

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Well, speaking for myself as a Christian, the fact that she said she had to wrestle with the decision to give someone in need, especially given her own situation and how much she herself had been given/blessed, makes me inclined to believe that Ms. Gosselin needs to sit down and reread the New Testament. It's very clear about helping those in need. It certainly does not compel me to ever want to attend any church service she may be speaking at (not that I was particularly inclined to anyway).

Canadian Mom said...

I'm a single mother...the 'old- fashioned' kind whose ex-husband has very little involvement with our son (in other words, NO financial support and little to none emotional support)...

I'm not complaining...however, these teen years have not been easy...

And I have only ONE teenager...can anyone imagine SIX teenage girls all going thru menstrual 'moods' and 3 male teens going thru hormonal changes...all at the same time?? Those who have large families, I am in awe with respect.

Kate thinks she has her hands full with 'meltdowns' (I DETEST that word)now...give her a couple more years...she has NO idea...

Jane in CA said...

Kate cannot help but reveal her true nature, no matter how editors and ghost writers try to clean up her act. To admit that she had to basically force herself to be generous to a family in need, to supposedly become impatient with God for asking her to give a little bit to help another (not that I believe for one minute she either prayed on the matter or indeed, actually gave money to someone not named Kate Gosselin) -- that only says to the world, "I hate giving to others and have to be forced or guilted into it!"

To admit that the times she remembers most are the unloving loud outbursts is pathetic. She probably remembers them most because that's 75% of her interaction with her children. Then there's 20% ignoring them and 4% pretending for the cameras and 1% of some actual nice moments.

When I look back over the years spent so far in being a mom, I remember almost entirely happy or special moments. When I do recall my less stellar moments, when I lost my temper and yelled, it's with sadness and a renewed determination to do better, to try to be more patient, to learn how to avoid those situations where I'm so frazzled, I can lose it.

But I was raised that none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes, and the important thing is to apologize sincerely and then try to do better. Once you apologize, then it's time to move on and not dwell on the past but focus on doing better in the future. So I try not to beat myself up over what I can't undo.

But for Kate, it's all about how tough her life is, how much she sacrifices for her children. She sees herself as some heroine, with struggles that no one else can truly understand. Didn't Jon take the children one time to meet up with another family of multiples. It was the dad of the other family who brought the kids along, and they had a meal at a restaurant. But Kate wasn't there, for some reason. I think that's because she has no interest in being anywhere near another family with quintuplets or sextuplets, because then she wouldn't stand out as Mother Supreme. It was bad enough that viewers got a glimpse of sweet Aunt Jodi not only handling her own brood, but 8 more children on top of that, and with sweetness, kindness and *gasp!* enjoying herself. Jodi had the audacity to present as a much better, more involved mom than Kate will ever be.

Canadian Mom said...

When's the last time I joyously gave to someone with a need I've heard about? I should practice what I preach. We'll see if I do or I don't.

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Ky Pastor: I'm not sure if you were joyous while typing your post, but if it helps, you gave me some great perspective.


And I'm willing to guess you are a 'joy' to listen to when giving sermons...

Jane in CA said...

@Canadian Mom - I hear ya! In a similar boat. Single mom of one son, now 12. His dad plays only a minimal role in his life. Well, we're hitting adolescence here and the moods and talking back are starting up. He's a good kid, but I know the next several years are going to be tough ones, with me having to be quite firm in the rules and keeping him on the right side.

I can't imagine what's going to happen in the Gosselin household when first Mady and Cara turn 11 or so (that's when a lot of girls seem to be hitting those first mood swings), and then later on, 6 children all turning 13, 14, 15 and giving their parents all sorts of grief.

That's when Kate really will need her body guard - to talk her down off ledges. She'll probably wash her hands of them and claim she "did her best" and she "doesn't know why they all turned into little hooligans."

Jane in CA said...

TandLMommy28 -- your comment brought tears to my eyes, because I know exactly what you mean. Yes, there are days when we want to pull out hair out or run away screaming, but like you, I look down at my child sleeping so peacefully and my heart overflows with thankfulness and love.

I wonder if Kate has recently tiptoed into her sleeping children's rooms and just looked down at them while they sleep and feel how lucky she is? Somehow I doubt it.

Because how can she reconcile her conscience with forcing them to endure being filmed, when she knows they hate it? That would eat me up inside.

Rose said...

Kate thinks she has her hands full with 'meltdowns' (I DETEST that word)now...give her a couple more years...she has NO idea...

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Ah, yes, adolescence...a time in life that is rough under the VERY BEST of circumstances! I feel that I came from a very loving and supportive family, and my sisters and I all struggled in different ways during our teen years. And mind you, we weren't up against even a FRACTION of the scrutiny and public awareness that the Gosselin kids have been dealing with since birth. Very few kids in the world are in the position they are in. It is truly scary to think about what their lives are going to be like in 5 to 10 years.

You can be sure of one thing, though: Kate doesn't seem to bother much with her kids now, unless it suits her schedule, feeds her ego, and enhances her public image. If she's this way when her kids are little, and if they annoy her now, what makes you think she's going to be able to handle teenagers? She'll be shoving them off to the nannies, traveling around looking for any talk show that will interview her, and bringing out the fake crocodile tears as she wails about how fast her babies grew up, how they barely hug her anymore, and how she dearly misses those good old days when they were small. Just wait. I can totally see it now, and since she will always be starved for attention, she'll use the age-old "My precious babies are all grown up" line to gain as much sympathy as the public will give her.

Paralyzing Thoughts said...

partial comment from Canadian Mom: "Those who have large families, I am in awe with respect. Kate thinks she has her hands full with 'meltdowns' (I DETEST that word)now...give her a couple more years...she has NO idea..."
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I do remember my own teenage years with a shudder when it comes to the face-to-face "confrontations" with my own dear mom. I wasn't easy on her...and I was one of the GOOD kids!

As for Kate, I imagine she'll find a way out of the teenage mothering...except to write another book about it based on her various nannies' reports to her at the end of a day. That is, if she still HAS nannies a few years down the road. If she's lost all lingering "celebrity" and the related gigs disappear...and if she relieves the medical community of her presence as Nurse Kate...well then, I must repeat what others here have said: KARMA's a B**** (rhymes with witch).

Would there still be an audience for the Gosselins with the kids as preteens and teenagers in another version of a reality show? Do we want to see Kate dismissing teenage tantrums with the wave of her hand, telling them to go work it out and leave her to her salad in peace? Do you think Kate really thinks that viewers want to follow this family til the kids are 18? What would make the kids want to participate? I bet Kate envisions TLC cameras trained on Mady as she descends the stairs all dressed up for prom. Just documenting their lives! Could it even go further...Collin in his dorm, studying to be an engineer as a college sophmore? The first grandchild??!! Would it ever end?

Jane as Mom said...

from Jane in CA..."how can she reconcile her conscience with forcing them to endure being filmed, when she knows they hate it? That would eat me up inside."
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because, sweet and kind Jane, she HAS no conscience...and YOU have a good soul.

IDModo said...

Maybe I can clear up the mailbox thing. In some areas people have a mailbox at the end of their driveway. The mailman puts their mail in it and also picks up any mail that they are sending out, to take to the postal station for distribution. I imagine this is what happened: when Kate put her donation out in her own box to be mailed, she found the Sam's card had been dropped off.
Kate, it's a mistake to wrestle with God when you are only a flyweight.

realmike said...

Even the most well adjusted teens with great parents have issues with all the changes going on in their lives- physical, mental, school, relationships, etc.

I cant imagine how the gosselin household will be with 13 and 15 yrs olds.

I know teenagers can be very emotional and i hope they don't watch the dvds of the shows.. they will find lots of opportunities to be very upset with their parents and the editors at tlc

I cant imagine how kate will explain gum gate or the footage of jon and kate sitting on the couch making fun of maddy's teeth. What about Kate tossing items from maddy and cara's room down the stairs. Or kate at the hershey apartment saying re maddy "day after day of that child"

jibberjabbers said...

Anyone have the exact quote from the book? Because from what I read at a different site. It states that Kate got the envelope from her own mail box.


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In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside. A gift card for Sam's Club in the exact amount I had just written the check for. This is only one example of the many times God has provided for us. We could not deny his work in our house. Chance could not have put that envelope in our mailbox with the gift card.
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maggie said...

This is in reference to Kate's story in her book about her writing a check for a family in need and then receiving the exact same amt. in a gift card. Below is what Ms. Martina said in her article, "Kate needs parenting lessons herself". She writes the following:
'However, I found your comments about giving and generosity a little self-serving. I was a little put off by your insight that when you give, you are rewarded in turn. In theory, I support this notion, but the rewards can be far less material than you suggested, Kate. You explained how when you give, you almost always get something tangible back in return, confirming to you that your gift was the right thing to do. To be honest, your story of writing a check to a nearby family who had some major struggles in their life only to receive, almost serendipitously, an anonymous gift card for the exact amount was disheartening to me.

I'd like to believe that the spirit of giving inherently suggests you won't necessarily get back anything in return. That's the whole point of generosity -- giving for the sake of giving. What you get back is the intrinsic satisfaction of helping others."

You can find this article and many other excellent articles about Kate on the website: http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com

Vanessa said...

By the way, you guys are ON!!
Great posts to read this morning, smart, witty and oh so accurate!

Disgusted in TX said...

Regarding Kate's memories all being negative, and her lack of interest in helping the kids resolve a problem. I'll take the latter issue first--I refer everyone to the early episode in season 5 when she was preparing for the tups' 5th party 'alone' bc Jon needed alone time. In that episode, she was seated at the table, talking to the camera as she shoved a salad in her mouth, when two of the little kids ran down to tell her about an argument....as many will recall she yelled them down with "hey hey hey....go away now...uh huh ...uh huh..and (she ROLLS EYES) and snarls at the camera annoyed, and essentially saying SEE what I have to put up with)." She was so dismissive of the kids, always has been and always will be. She does not LISTEN to the kids, she hears noise, but doesn't listen, which means she won't hear them plotting their revenge.

As to the first point about being a mom who remembers the good times....I have not been blessed to be a mom, but I am an aunt to 5 nephews and a godmother to one, and I couldn't love those children more !!!! I would do anything for them just to see them smile:) On any bad day, I just spend a few minutes with them, or talking to them, and they make me forget whatever I was thinking about. Kids have a way:)

My mother is the best example of mommy amnesia. She has 5 kids and 5 grandkids. She took 2 of her grandsons to church on mother's day alone. When she told me about it later that day, she was beaming with pride because she was so thrilled for the boys to go with her, they wanted to be with her and under her care, and to spend time one on one being a grandmother. She got to show them off to her friends (they're practically young men at 11 and 14!) I think it's also because she misses being a mom too:) She's a young grandmother . . .and lives to make us all happy.

I love you momma Mary!:)

mama san said...

Phila Inquirer, 5/16 - column by David Hiltbrand. He quotes Mark Cronin, of 51 Minds Entertainment: "A reality star is still one of the lowest rungs of celebrity," Cronin says, "It's a little below a disc jockey." That makes Kate even lower than D-List. Is it true that K8 is going to do commentary for DWTS?? OMG, can you imagine instead of interviewing contestants she will be interviewing herself, again,and again.

Duckman said...

[From Kate's story about writing the check to the needy family]

...In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...

WTF? I guess Kate did write/dictate this book. I can't imagine a ghostwriter going out of their way to sound like somebody who barely got past grade-school.

Dr. G. said...

Kate was trained as a nurse. Nurses provide "professional caring". While nurses often get emotionally attached to their patients, this does place them at risk of stress and burnout. They are trained to keep their emotions detached from their job to the extent necessary to be able to perform the duties of their job.
Now we have Kate going from professional nurse to being a "professional mother". She gets all of the jobs done but keeps herself emotionally detached from her charges in order to avoid the risk of stress and burnout.
I could never understand how she had Jon doing everything for those babies, and she never seemed to appreciate him. I guess she figured that by getting the jobs done (by Jon), she, herself, was being a successful "professional mother". In actuality, she was simply a management professional. When she no longer needed Jon because the kids were getting older and she had the money to hire employees to do the jobs, she took control and got rid of Jon.
This "reality series" started giving me nightmares a couple of years ago and I had to stop watching it. Now I follow the story in horror as Kate continues uninterrupted on her "professional" way. Just as we all want a nurse who takes the risk of providing true caring as she performs her duties, we want to watch a mother who gives her all emotionally in raising her children. I have to believe that "Ms Organization Kate" will have little appeal to viewers as she arranges for her no longer cute "babies" to go places and get things that the average person cannot relate to.

sick of it said...

Jenny I'm reading your post about naps and I understand. My son does not have a t.v. in his room and so when he goes down for a nap he goes to sleep and when he wakes up he's up. This could be anywhere from 1 1/2-3 hours depending on how tired he is. I relish whatever time I get, but I cannot imagine confining a kid to bed for more than three hours. And t.v. and infants don't mix.

alyssa said...

Kate Plus 8 will premiere June 6th Here we go again...It's supposed to be a series of specials but my guess is it'll turn into a show with seasons just like it happened with Jon&Kate Plus 8...I saw the picture with collin covering his face with the jacket...I saw a picture of a sad maddy with a big microphone(the ones they use during filming) shoved in her face..I wish I could show you the pictures.Is there any way I could post the two pictures?

Ohio Buckeye said...

Re K8G's remembering 'these unloving loud outbursts':

There is no way on god's green earth that I will ever buy or even read any book by K8G, so this comes as a question:

Is her statement supposed to be about herself making these' unloving loud outbursts'?

If so, are we supposed to take this as a K8G-style apology and show of remorse?

Even if this is the case, talk is cheap. If K8G actually experiences any remorse (doubtful IMO) for her 'unloving loud outbursts', WHY did she continue this same behavior? Did we EVER see any improvement in her treatment of her kids and husband? As I recall, the camera caught more and more of these incidents as time went on.

W/o having read the book, I could be all wrong, but from what I do know, my guess is that this statement in the book is supposed to convey her deep sensitivity and extraordinary efforts to rise above the oh-so-difficult life of hers. You know...the one she actively sought to create.

I go back to the funny statement from the previous poster in an earlier thread. K8G's theme song ought to be a parody of "Evita": "Cry For Me, Pennsylvania (and everywhere else)".

Kleenex/Puffs really ought to be her sponsor for all her bogus 'Tears And Tissues' moments.

I call B.S. on any- and everything this woman says.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

Here we go again, TLC already advertising Kate Plus 8. I for one really hope this show has the lowest ratings and fails for the sake of the kids. I can't believe jon bowed down and is allowing the cameras back in his kids lives. Bothof them are just $$$hungry! Live a simpler life and you won't need the money. Live in a smaller home, public schools, Walmart clothes are just fine, etc. Although, if you realize all the FREE clothes, toys, etc that they get that saves $$ right there.

Ohio Buckeye said...

It is no wonder that K8G always predominantly recalls the stress, difficulty, and negativity of any experience.

Recall for just a second any of the (many) oh-so-fun activities the camera showed us, i.e. 4th of July in Jon's home town: this day was more about K8G not trusting Jon to pick the 'right' (matchy-matchy) jackets and insisting on checking out what he had brought for the kids' outerwear. It was also about K8G having to win the test of wills re: Jon's common sense approach of putting the kids in a stroller for such a long walk, while K8G demanded they use that stupid rings-on-a-rope gizmo because the main thing to her was to PRETEND the six were 'normal' (and we were supposed to give her kudos for this).

Think of the trip to the ice cream place, where most moms would be able to recall the joy their kids exhibited when rolling down a grassy slope. Not K8G. No, she had to continuously bellow and ruin any chance of those kids having fun, and why? Because all she was able to think about was those dreaded grass stains that SHE would have to work so hard (?) to remove from the kids' clothing.

K8G can't see the forest. She can barely see the trees. All she REALLY sees is HERSELF.

IMO, K8G is hopeless. She is simply not in the pink of mental health. Probably has not been since childhood, for whatever reason, but for sure as an adult, this is NOT a 'normal' mom by any stretch of anyone's imagination.

Having twins & septuplets simply does not excuse such poor parenting.

She really ought to be mortified at watching herself on old reruns. Instead, all she sees is how hard she worked, having to do everything herself (yeah, right), and how absolutely unappreciated she and her inherent wonderfulness has been her entire life.

If there is to be no escape from K8G, then TLC really out to switch their current tactic of holding K8G up as some kind of 'model mom' (I gag as I write that). Instead, K8G's next venue ought to be something along the line of 'mental health moms' - examples of moms in dire need of serious mental health intervention.

THAT would be true reality.

freewilly said...

What I think is embarrassing is that she only gave to someone once,
and than she has to mention it.
I give everyday, but that comes so naturally to me. I guess to her NOT.

Ingrid said...

Hi, lurker here. I have tried to post long ago and it didn't seem to go thru but I am trying again.

I wonder if Khate is going to be a commentator instead of dance? (has anyone seen any clips of her practicing for this?) Perhaps they don't want her clomping around the stage again so offered her the talking part? (but egads I don't know what is worse. Her mouth or her dancing)

Another ? Does she have to claim those freebies on her taxes or is there a way around it. (write offs==wardrobe for shows, trips for shows, toy cars for shows, etc?)

First thing I thought when I read about her sending that family money. She never stated how much so it could have been $5-10 for all we know. (whoopee) Also, when I heard Jon was doing some charity kind of things lately I thought right away it was a way for him to just improve his 'image'. Neither one has done anything to improve in my eyes.

She is evil said...

Regarding the Immaculate Giftcard: yes, it's so lovely that a kind person ANONYMOUSLY gave that to you, Kate. That person is the real hero here. You come off as obtuse and selfish because you are more concerned with looking good than being good and your efforts always come back to kick you in your large flabby ass. So kudos to your mailbox angel and pppppffffft to you for pocketing that gift card and writing about it like it was divine intervention. If you really think god has provided for you, then why do you behave in a way that just begs him to take it all away? Do you cringe when lightning strikes? Because you should

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Dr. G: Don't you find it hilarious that TLC has tried presenting K8G as the consummate organizational 'professional', yet she erroneously packs lunches on days the kids have only 1/2 of school, is less concerned about actual efficiency, and, instead, all about WINNING (remember the box on the garage shelf ordeal?), and, what the H was the episode about calling in an organization specialist to help Ms. Professional Organizer 'organize' her basement?

B.S., B.S. B.S.: the woman doggy paddles in it.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"....as many will recall she yelled them down with "hey hey hey....go away now...uh huh ...uh huh..and (she ROLLS EYES) and snarls at the camera annoyed, and essentially saying SEE what I have to put up with)."

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It IS amazing that K8G thinks that was an instance where viewers would sympathetically see what SHE 'has to put up with'.

When I saw that, all I could think was the things her KIDS have to tolerate (from their own mom yet).

Nicole said...

There are good, and bad in every profession. I would NEVER allow Kate to come near me as a nurse. I think that she went into the nursing profession, and found that perhaps it wasn't what she really wanted to do. I don't see her going back to being a nurse at all. Maybe she thought that she could hook up with a rich doctor.

As far as the new show, I won't watch. I can't stand her voice anymore. She whines all the time, and everything is all about Kate. The very few fans that Kate has, may watch the new show. But I'm sure that the ratings will be low.

Lucy said...

TLC is promoting Khate + 8 as a special of 6 little tups and the twins. The tups are six years old fer gawdsakes! Khate and TLC will never admit these moneymakers are growing up. We'll see the tups at 18 in lookalike clothes, probably "gosselin gear", squished into their Caddy motorized cars and all sucking on "gosselin straws" out of their teen-sized colour coded Juicy Juice containers.
As far as Khate's other series ... I'd bet TLC isn't putting too much faith in it being a financial success. I'm sure it will tank in the ratings as most of the public now sees through her like cheap cheesecloth (crap now I've given her an outfit idea to wear in a poor attempt to boost her ratings).

K8STFU said...

She is evil -

GREAT comments.

Tami said...

In my opinion, Ms. Gosselin is misguided, foolish, and greedy, but she is not in the same catagory as Ms. Downs. That's a whole other level of psychiatry."

Never underestimate the emptiness of a narcissist. She may not exhibit the exact pathology of Ms. Downs, but she has the same emptiness of soul.

Her method of destruction of her children is not as final as Ms. Downs; but it is still destructive none the less. A destruction that will haunt them the rest of their lives.
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They have plenty in common. They showed Diane giving an interview to recreate the crime just FOUR days after it happened. She was laughing all the way through it. She hit her leg in the car and laughed and made sure to point out that she hit her shin to get attention. She was told she was lucky she did not get seriously injured or killed by the gunman and laughed and said she did not feel lucky because she could not even use her arms for a couple weeks. She was a classic narcissist, had NO emotional connection to her kids. She wanted to get pregnant again to show what a good mom she is and just for attention the same way Khate wanted to adopt a Korean baby. She was a complete liar with a flat demeanor but would laugh inappropriately on camera and just ate up the fame. She used her kids to get what she wanted for herself the way Khate uses them to make a living. She thought she was cute, sexy and attractive..Just everything about that program screamed Khate in every way. I'm reading a more in depth article online now. It's so chilling in the way they those 2 are the same. No, I'm not saying she is going to shoot her kids, but they are still very similar people.

clears it up said...

IDModo said... Maybe I can clear up the mailbox thing. In some areas people have a mailbox at the end of their driveway. The mailman puts their mail in it and also picks up any mail that they are sending out, to take to the postal station for distribution. I imagine this is what happened: when Kate put her donation out in her own box to be mailed, she found the Sam's card had been dropped off.
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I am reposting IDmodo's post for newer bloggers

funny tlc said...

"....as many will recall she yelled them down with "hey hey hey....go away now...uh huh..and (she ROLLS EYES) and snarls at the camera annoyed, and essentially saying SEE what I have to put up with)."==========


i remember this from the b-day party episode..
Showed an ugly side of her.

And they are doing a whole show on her helping and teaching other mothers?

PA Woman said...

.E. Psychologist said...
Thanks to the mods and everyone for the excellent comments. Miscelleneous thoughts in response to comments:
I agree with all who say no to recaps. Eough is enough.
Ambivalent about the blog taking a break. Overall I think tlc and the sheeple would take it as a "win" and this crap really does need debunking. More selfishly, I too anticipate a huge media push from tlc and will need you folks for respite!

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I'm in agreement on both counts here, with a qualification. Personally I get turned off when I read post after post about Kates appearance, her hair, her weight etc. It seems overboard and petty to me. The types of discussions going on right now, on the other hand are right on. Kate's wrestling with contributing to a family in need certainly says something about her. I'd like to see the blog continue, but would like to see people focus their posts on the real issues.

Kate is empty said...

Tami said..."They have plenty in common. They showed Diane giving an interview to recreate the crime just FOUR days after it happened."

The only difference between Kate and Diane is in the method they use to destroy their children.

Jenna-na-na said...

One of my closest friends is a well known Hollywood actress. She has been in the movie industry since she was a little girl, & has a lot to say about Kate Gosselin pimping out her children.
She knows how difficult it is for kids to grow up with the target on your back. She went through it all. Her mother was a horror also, but luckily, she came out of it better than ever, standing on her own 2 feet. She feels as though the Gosselin 8 won't fare so well with a mother like Kate. My friend lived through the stage-mom, and knows all too well that these kids will most likely grow up to be statistics.
My friend actually saw Kate once, and wanted so badly to go over to her and shake her and say "What are you doing? Stop now!!" You are destroying your children!" But she was afraid to be associated with such a horrible person.
And the people she knows want nothing to do with her either. Kate is only famous for exploiting her kids. People that have worked to get somewhere do not exactly have too many good things to say about people who are famous for the sake of being famous. We at GwoP at least have that on our side. The REAL celebrities don't like her.
I actually enjoy my friend's take on things, since she has been through it. She wishes the best for these kids, she also thinks that Kate's 15 minutes are up. She knows people & knows that there are NO movies deals, & no shows. No one she knows at least wants to work with her.
I really like this blog. Keep up the good work! Maybe these poor children can be saved.

Cry Me a River said...

@Tami

If you are interested in the Diane Downs case, you should try and get hold of Small Sacrifices by Ann Rule -the book I mentioned up thread. It is riveting and yes there are similarities - in that DD considered her children possessions to do with as she chose but more remarkably, the DA nailed it when he described them to the jury as fungible.

Ann Rule totally absorbed herself into that case and walked right into that woman's very soul.

Mary said...

Hi

Can;t see sheep I was not offended at all I was being like most here laughing at Khate. Ohh Khate is in for a rude awakening when these kids get a few years older. There will not be any timeouts the kids will band together they will not be afraid of her. Its not 10 years away but only a few years. I think the gravy train will also run out. Kate has about as much chance going back to nursing as I do as President. Just think what a nurse does. I see a sick person missing the bucket and Khate howling and howling then khate removing the sick person to floor and shutting out the lights.. Khate a nurse maybe she has a degree but she has not a ounce of compasion. Welfare is waiting for you and Khate remeber these kids will drop a dime on you if you touch them. They are not 3-6 anymore. Funny the only person I see still love her is Maddy

Rose said...

I am disgusted that the show is being picked up again. Kate simply can't give it up, can she? She knows the only way she can survive in Hollywood is through her children, but she obviously doesn't care about them or their needs - only her own. Think about it, Kate. The twins are almost ten years old and will be in fourth grade...not exactly a good time to be parading them in front of the cameras and revealing even more personal information about them. The closer they get to junior high and high school, the harder you're making it for them...and mind you, they are going to have plenty of struggles as it is, not even counting all the drama of being in the public eye!

The tups are a lot older now, too, and they won't be those sweet, innocent, constantly smiling little honey buns on the TV for much longer. Granted, they're only going to be in kindergarten next year, but there are hundreds of kids entering first grade who are even younger! The tups will have been six for almost four months already by the time school starts, which means they aren't even close to the age cut-off. There is absolutely no reason why they should just be starting kindergarten now, but in any case, if Kate cared at all, she'd let her little kids enter elementary school with SOME dignity, get her own career, and stop relying on them for her own fame. But of course, she is so far gone, she is just going to keep dragging those kids down with her for as long as possible.

Again, for the sake of those eight children, I hope this "show" doesn't last for longer than a couple little TV specials. They are not babies anymore, they have already been forced to grow up faster than they should, and every single day/month/year that they are exposed like this to the public is going to make things even worse and uglier for them.

Gabby22 said...

ok...after reading and commenting for several weeks under anonymous, I will be Gabby2.

All great comments. FYI the episodes are on netflix watch instantly.

Hope they don't get added benefit as I have been watching them again...Twisted Kate is even worse than I remember. I will comment later on some of her nasty comments.

Remember when she told everyone that one of the boys loved her painted foot nails? AND that's why she got peticures....SO this women is soooo full of shit. From day one.

Mary said...

Hi

I have a great idea since we are npot recaping any episodes. Lets make up one. every one write something we think we are missing

Aunt Chris said...

Mary said...
Hi

I have a great idea since we are npot recaping any episodes. Lets make up one. every one write something we think we are missing

Ok - here I go - we are missing nothing.

Suzanne said...

Even if she is never grateful for anything she should at least be grateful for having healthy children; for having any children at all! I was never blessed. We tried for a few years. We did not have the finances to do all the artificial treatments so we accepted this as our fate and moved on and were grateful for what we do have in our lives. Not only was she not grateful for the twins (I would have been over the moon) but the minute they weren't babies anymore she was greedy for more, more, more. Yes, it hurt to be told I wasn't able to have children but I found that there were other ways to fulfill those needs. Since then I concentrate on helping children in need and that fills whatever void may have been there from being childless. It angers me that she complains so much about the children (the noise, the lack of sleep, the expense etc) and writes about the negative things in her stupid book but you never hear her say "wow I am so lucky and blessed in my life". She makes me sick. Those children deserve so much better.

Aunt Chris said...

In the past when I thought about Kate being a nurse I used to shiver. Now that my 93 year old Dad is a new nursing home resident, I could just throw up! We have met some of the most wonderful, caring people in his home and I thank God that people like them WANT to do these jobs. I can sleep at night because I know he's in good hands, better than we could provide for him at home. If I came across someone like Kate, ugh, I can't even think about it.

Chris said...

Jenna-na-na said...
One of my closest friends is a well known Hollywood actress. She has been in the movie industry since she was a little girl, & has a lot to say about Kate Gosselin pimping out her children.

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As do a lot of people who either grew up in the Industry or are in the Industry now. The ususal comment begins "That woman (complete with eyeroll) is the worst....

jibberjabbers said...

Mary said...
Hi

I have a great idea since we are not recapping any episodes. Lets make up one. every one write something we think we are missing.

I already "recapped" a few episodes. LOL

Queen Kate Plus 8 Episode 1:

Queen Kate Plus 8 Episode 2:

HW said...

In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside.
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This quote from her book just cracks me up. How in the world does one utilize one's time saving skills to rip open an envelope?

When I think of all the hours I could have back in my life if I'd only been taught by Kate how to best rip open an envelope.

*sigh*

Hippie Chick said...

My son is in 4th grade and if I documented his life for all to see, he would be humiliated! I cannot imagine what the twins must be feeling. It angers me to no end that Kate makes them film, because they "have to". I would never, ever force my child to do something he doesn't want to do. That is borderline or IS abusive behavior in my book!
And this whole gift card/check thing. I cannot believe she did not give this gift card to that family, or another struggling family. And I cannot believe she had to wrestle with the idea to do it or not! When you give to someone, it makes you feel good, then it is done. You don't brag about it for brownie points. that's ridiculous.
She is infuriating. People who donate time or money to charity or volunteer don't want the recognition, they do it out of the kindness of their hearts. Not for pats on the back. She is a sick individual. And I'll say it again, she is one big ball of ugly, inside and out.

HW said...

Jenna-na-na said...
One of my closest friends is a well known Hollywood actress. She has been in the movie industry since she was a little girl, & has a lot to say about Kate Gosselin pimping out her children.
She knows how difficult it is for kids to grow up with the target on your back. She went through it all. Her mother was a horror also, but luckily, she came out of it better than ever, standing on her own 2 feet. She feels as though the Gosselin 8 won't fare so well with a mother like Kate. My friend lived through the stage-mom, and knows all too well that these kids will most likely grow up to be statistics.
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How exciting to have such a neat friend. And how classy of you not to exploit that friendship by mentioning your friend's name.

I'm curious about something, though. Has your friend ever made mention of why most stars, when asked about Kate, give positive comments on her? I know to speak negatively of her would reflect badly on them; but when people sing her praises it appears to be condoning her behavior.

It just seems there is nobody in Hollywood who sees her true colors. Any insight?

Avert your eyes or freeze. said...

We were shopping in Downtown Disney on Saturday afternoon when my daughter comes up to me and says "I think I just almost bumped into Kate Gosselin". I laughed and thought she meant one of those clones who were wearing her old hairdo, but she said, no, it's the longer hairstyle and she's got some grey haired guy with her. We turned around and sure enough, it was Kate and one of the twins plus Steve and a personal shopper escort. I happened to be wearing a substantial sized camera which I'm pretty sure Steve spotted. Personally I had no desire to waste any pixels on any of them. There were lots of more interesting things to take pictures of. The entourage circled the wagons to block off Kate from any (heh heh) stray paparazzi.

The only thing I noticed was how short both Kate and Steve were. Seen many of you mention before but this time I got to see it with my own eyes.

K C said...

Small Sacrifices was made into a tv movie. Farrah played Downs.

Cry Me a River said...

Unfortunately it is likely that as the children grow older and start to rebel Mommie Dearest will just keep coming up with more and more devious means of controlling them, i.e. throwing the twins' things down the stairs for the world to see (including their classmates) while they were in school, talking about how disgusting their room was, etc. (I am convinced she was po'd at them that day). This woman never sleeps; her mind never stops. She will not be out-done. I see nothing good in their future.

The thing that causes me to have such concern for them now is that in the beginning, okay, the show was a means to an end. Okay, she worked really hard to make herself a star in her own right. She did that. She is making a ton of money on her own. Yet she still insists that the kids be filmed in addition to that when it is painfully obvious that at least some if not all of them clearly are not up to it.

It has come down to what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine also. If you want things, you have to work for them despite the fact that I have millions. It is greed in its rarest and most vile form like I have never seen before, and might even be a whole new level of greed that hasn't been witnessed before period.

And they are 6 and 9, emotionally challenged and the 6 developmentally delayed.

Kate + 8 Kids Who Don't Want To Be Filmed said...

Mary said...
Hi

I have a great idea since we are npot recaping any episodes. Lets make up one. every one write something we think we are missing
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We don't need recaps, we've got the pap photos instead - so we have seen what happens before the episode even airs.

The kids are once again pulled out of school, dressed in matching clothing and dragged on yet another free vacation to have cameras shoved in their faces against their wishes and have orders yelled at them by both their mother and TLC crew.

pappy said...

Avert your eyes or freeze. said...
We were shopping in Downtown Disney on Saturday afternoon when my daughter comes up to me and says "I think I just almost bumped into Kate Gosselin".
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do you mean disney in orlando , florida. this would make sense as someone else said they were spotted in florida this week.

who says these kids are suffering.. disney again...

Ohio Buckeye said...

@HW: I thought the same thing! WTH are 'time saving skills' when opening an envelope?

She writes on about a 6th grade level.

No offense to 6th graders.

laura t said...

Suzanne said...
Even if she is never grateful for anything she shoild be grateful for having healthy children
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Agreed. Yet when aaden had to get glasses she lamented that had she wanted all her kids to be normal.

jibberjabbers said...

Although I never read Multiple Blessings or I just want you to know, I have read a few clippings from both books. And if you compare the writing technique of both books, you can clearly see that Kate had no part in writing Multiple Blessings.

Besides "living it". Not sure why or how Kate got on the "Best selling Author Lists" for Multiple Blessings.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"...Agreed. Yet when aaden had to get glasses she lamented that had she wanted all her kids to be normal."

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"Normal" kids is a pretty tall order from a mom who is as ABnormal as K8G.

I agree with previous posters who have predicted a VERY stormy adolescence on K8G's horizon. Times 8.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

Suzanne said...
Even if she is never grateful for anything she shoild be grateful for having healthy children
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Agreed. Yet when aaden had to get glasses she lamented that had she wanted all her kids to be normal.

5/16/2010 4:45 PM
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Nothing abnormal about these kids, contrary to what their parents think and want us to believe. It's their parents who lack the ability to think like NORMAL people. SADLY, we all WISH the Gosselin kids had NORMAL parents!

Cry Me a River said...

@ Jibbers Jabbers - Your epis were great!

readerlady said...

The more I read about Khate and checkgate and giftcardgate, the more I'm reminded of the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican. In the parable, the Pharisee prays in a loud voice calling attention to himself and basically glorifying himself and denigrating the Publican and the Publican goes off into a quiet corner and has a talk with God. Khate reminds me of the Pharisee. Also, someone should remind her to read 1st Corinthians (I think that's correct - I don't have my Bible handy) - "And now abideth Faith, Hope, Charity (in newer translations, Love), but the greatest of these is Charity (Love)."

Someone way upthread was talking about Khate and the naps. In the show she talked (bragged) about requiring the tups to go down for a nap right after lunch. They were required to stay in their beds until she allowed them to get up - around 3 1/2 to 4 hours. Anyone getting out of bed before being given permission to get up was sent back to bed for an additional 45 minutes. So Khate essentially had the entire afternoons to herself, because the twins were at school and Jon was at work. And of course, we also know from the show, that Jon was the one who got the twins up, fed, dressed and off to school and fixed Khate's coffee and brought it to her in bed before he left for work. She admitted she didn't get up until around 8 o'clock and said the tups were required to stay in their beds until she got up. So she only spent 3 1/2 to 4 hours a day with the kids, because as soon as Jon came home from work, he took over the care of them.

Ohio Buckeye said...

A Disney re-do?

Oh dear lord, let there be no melting of ice cream cones in Disney that day. K8G's insane "She's RUINED!!" and blaming Jon for 'not helping her enough' haunts me still.

Likely TLC will use this re-do to improve K8G's image from that last Disney debacle. This time, I'm guessing they will show K8G being all fun and chuckles for the kids.

What's that shirt Jon wore? "Lies. Lies. Lies". That says it all.

N.E. Psychologist said...

jibberjsbbers

Once again, thank you. (esp ep.2)

Pink Bunny said...

http://www.examiner.com/x-704-Pop-Media-Examiner~y2010m5d15-Jon-and-Kate-Plus-8-news-Tony-Dovolani-talks-Erin-Andrews-Kate-Plus-8-debuts-June-6

I was just reading this article about Kate. If you scroll down to the comments section, there is a comment left by Jamie Cole Ayers that says, Please tune in to watch my lover Kate. What is that about and what don't we know? Wasn't that here friend that visits her all the time. Oh boy....

dustilies said...

Suzanne wrote:

Yes, it hurt to be told I wasn't able to have children but I found that there were other ways to fulfill those needs. Since then I concentrate on helping children in need and that fills whatever void may have been there from being childless. It angers me that she complains so much about the children . . .

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Suzanne, you make me proud of our female gender! What a big heart you have, and what inner strength to let go of the fond wish of having your own nuclear family to help children more broadly. I'm an adoptive mom, and, for me, that has helped me focus on the fact that our children--all our children-- aren't "ours" in a deep sense. I need to be reminded that they are all "loaners"--entrusted to us by whatever higher power or fate we believe in.

J. and Y. (daughters) are not mine to boss or berate or guilt-trip into an image of myself. The job I have been entrusted with is to bring out the best in them and equip them to deal with the joys and sorrows that await them (or have already come into their lives).

Again, I admire your choices and decisions. You clearly have so many clues--could you gift one to Kate? (just be sure to make it look like a giftcard, and stick a bow on it.)

she is evil said...

Hey Kate/Moron: how about writing a book about time saving skills while doing other time consuming things besides opening an envelope? I sure need to spend less time opening water bottles and closing doors. Any ideas, genius? **roll eyes**

debbiejo said...

Emschick 1128 said:
still am stunned by Kate admission that she struggled with actually helping a family in need and after "wresting" with God over it she's thrilled when she gets a gift card in the same amount.
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I am stunned too! I once heard the great preacher Henry Blackaby say "I have no respect for someone who has to "wrestle with God", I have respect for someone who obeys God immediately".

To think she stuggled to help a family in need. That is dreadful....surely isnt something I'd admit to!

lukebandit said...

it is so horrible that kate made those babies stay in their cribs for hours off and on all day until jon came home. all she did was warehouse those babies with a tv only in there to stimulate their brain (comes from her nursing school) i wonder how many books she has sit down and read to them? not many. i have 3 boys all in their 20's now, but when my oldest was in 2nd grade, his IQ was tested at 124. i was praying 145 so he could join mensa, jr. haha his teacher wanted him to read the book, where the red fern grows. She let him borrow the paperback book, Where the Red Fern Grows" by Wilson Rawls. she gave it to him for him to read. he read about half of it and stopped reading it. when i realized this, i told him, daniel, you have to find out what happens to dan and anne the dogs! well, i solved that problem. all the boys slept in the same room and i went in the bedroom and sit on the floor laying half way on the twin bed and READ the book till they went to sleep and every night till the book was FINISHED. i am so grateful to God that i had the opportunity to do that for my precious boys. i wished kate had the same wiring so she would be able to do the same thing for her "icky boys", lovingly known to Gwopers as Aaden, Colin and Joel.

she is despicable.

Calgary7 said...

TLC and their parent corporation, Discovery Communication is going to spend, spend, spend to make K8 a "brand" and do whatever it takes to keep her and the very young children in the public eye.

Why?
According to the Discovery Comm CEO they are expanding into 150 countries ... that's a lot of new markets to show the complete JK+8 film library to. People will subscribe to the channels simply to see.

So, frankly, I don't see the blog to be advertising for K8. Most of these 150 countries do not speak/read English.

I do agree with no recaps. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt. A lot of the scripts/show premises are retreads anyway.

As much as I admire the incredible work done by the mods, I would like to suggest narrow the focus the blog to only 2 or 3 areas:

1) Use of child labour (young children working to support their families)

2) Standardizing on the protection of young children in film/tv to a minimum of the current California legislation.

3) How a large corporation is allowed to do whatever it wants with this young children while wracking up huge corporate profits and its executive amassing very large bonuses yet there are no financial provisions being made for the kids.

Where Is Kart Hiding? said...

Has anyone else noticed that this site has mentioned Kart had become overexposed recently from her stint on "I Can't Dance With the Stars"........

And we all know that she and her idiot PR team read this site to get pointers on public opinion about her.

Well, all of a sudden I don't see her in blogs, tabloids, etc. It's been blessedly quiet in Kartland...

I get the feeling she is laying low on orders from the PR stooges so she will be "fresh" for her new show.

Like we, the public, will be fooled, like we'd forget she is a bitch. HA! She and her team of handlers are sooooo transparent. They really, really believe they can manipulate the viewing public. Amazing.

Disgusting. We are not fooled and your shows will fail - just a matter of time. We will outlast you, Kart....

Charles said...

Pink Bunny said...


... was just reading this article about Kate. If you scroll down to the comments section, there is a comment left by Jamie Cole Ayers that says, Please tune in to watch my lover Kate. What is that about and what don't we know? Wasn't that here friend that visits her all the time. Oh boy....

5/16/2010 6:33 PM
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Please realize ANYBODY could have written that comment.

Tami said...

@Tami

If you are interested in the Diane Downs case, you should try and get hold of Small Sacrifices by Ann Rule -the book I mentioned up thread. It is riveting and yes there are similarities - in that DD considered her children possessions to do with as she chose but more remarkably, the DA nailed it when he described them to the jury as fungible.

Ann Rule totally absorbed herself into that case and walked right into that woman's very soul.

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Yes, I'd heard of that book too. Another similarity is that Diane was obsessed with a married man..sort of like Khate and Steve?! She also amazingly has a family member (her dad) putting out a website defending her and "proving" her innocence. This is like what her mother and sister are doing for her. See how these people are created? Family members refuse to see the obvious signs of sickness in front of them and choose instead to tell the whole world they are wrong about their offspring.

Kate Don't Rate said...

"One of my very favorite stories...began on Christmas Eve of 2006...my sister Kendra was talking about a family at her church with four kids, whose Christmas was going to be difficult for them because the dad had been unemployed for over a year...I could not stop thinking about that family. I knew God was saying I needed to write them a check. I remember arguing with him (God) for a few days, but he wouldn't let up, and he even put a number in my head. Finally, out of exasperation, I called my sister to get the family's name and address...(Kate goes on for a while longer about how she literally had to run to the mailbox because, you know, with eight kids, even going to the mailbox is a huge chore) When I opened up the mailbox, I saw another envelope inside with a bow on it. It hadn't come through the mail system. In my best time-saving skills, I ripped open the envelope...I literally almost fell over when I saw what was inside. A gift card for Sam's Club in the exact amount I had just written the check for. This is only one example of the many times God has provided for us. We could not deny his work in our house. Chance could not have put that envelope in our mailbox with the gift card. In the exact amount. On the exact day. This still amazes me!"

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I call a big B.S. on this story. She received a gift card in the exact amount on the exact day????? B.S.

Just added for drama. She disgusts me.

overthehill said...

jan watson gave birth in liverpool uk to the first set of all girl sextuplets 26 years ago.
on their birthdays for the years up to starting school we would have pictures and updates of the childrens progress.from the age of 5 they were kept out of the media and we didnt hear about their private lives until they reached the age of 18 and then again at 21.
their lovely parents didnt rely on handouts.dad is a painter and decorator and what did mum do?well kate gosselin listen to this and take note.jan walton took a job as fund raiser for the special care baby unit were her babies were born.i have seen this lovely lady at the hospital on my visits to see my newborn grandchildren.i asked how her children were getting on and her face lit up and she said with pride "they are well and have made good careers for themselves some of them still living at home"
i wonder what the gosselin children will be like in 20 years.

chesterctymom said...

Dear TLC,

Since you read this blog, can you explain why Khate signed the pink scooter 'Kate plus 8'... before she and jon were even separated?

Thank you.

Cry Me a River said...

I think we haven't heard from Khatan because she has been busy hauling the poor tired kids all over Florida. No school bus shots because they haven't been in school. Hope TLC staff is making sure they have plenty of snacks and fluids and hearty meals and rest (and maybe a spoonful of ice cream).

I think you are all onto something about the Austin's/alcohol thing. I never did buy that "the kids have always wanted to eat here" barb. Yeah right. Bypass Chuckie Cheese and go right to that stark red brick building with a fine wine's list. If they filmed in there they had to bring up the lights because that photo - may have been a cell phone shot - of her Tony was dark and cozy.

ChurchMouse said...

"she is evil said...
Hey Kate/Moron: how about writing a book about time saving skills while doing other time consuming things besides opening an envelope? I sure need to spend less time opening water bottles and closing doors. Any ideas, genius? **roll eyes**"

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Well, Lordy Be, sure! To save time on opening water bottles, do the following:

1) Bellow for water.

2) Open bottle and drink.

3) Ignore thirsty child. Close bottle and place out of reach of same.

Sure is a time-saver!

Cry Me a River said...

My take on the giftcard/check thing is that it sounds to me like her sister was soliciting a dollar amount donation from her for the chuch member (she would have been aware of her gain at that time) and that Khate was reneging and only decided to do so when she received the gift card from Sam's.

I also find it strange in that in most cases donations from church members would have gone to the church and then to the needy family from the church to achieve a degree of anonymity not only for the family, but the giver as well. Yet Khate called her sister back and got the address of the family and sent the check directly to them- vis a viv, if you will. I am quite certain that she would have been the only church member to have done so in that manner at the time.

One can only imagine that Khate's donation that was made with great reluctance at best and that she insisted she get credit for it by sending the check directly to the family, and then later by including it in her tell all to her children.

IMO

K8STFU said...

Well, all of a sudden I don't see her in blogs, tabloids, etc. It's been blessedly quiet in Kartland...

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Hi Where is Kart:

We haven't seen K8 because TLC wants to keep the filming "fresh" for the new episodes and do not want to give anything away one minute sooner. ROL knows when K8 is going to Target and the nail salon but has no clue when the entire family + crew head to Disney ? Right.

Jenna-na-na said...

@ HW:
This is why no celebrities speak ill of Kate; or of anyone famous for that matter, (you hit the nail on the head actually). It makes them look bad. Not to mention the fact that my friend imparticular do not think of Kate as a celebrity. She thinks of her a reality person, not a star, who in her own words "pimps out her kids". She did not know who Kate was until DWTS. I had to tell my friend all the bad things Kate had done to her kids ie, Gumgate, putting 1 of the tups on the floor when he was sick, the choc. factory...etc.
She was floored. We ended up watching some eps. & she formed her own opinions about Kate. She would never come forward to the media, bashing Kate. (She is not like that anyways) We went to a party once where there was a few famous faces & her & I started in on "Kate". We bashed her left & right. (It was funny) Trust me when I say, we were not the only ones that think she needs to fade into oblivion & raise her kids quietly. But these celebrities that have actually WORKED for a living & made a name for themselves would never just drag another name through the mud, even if they think they are deserving of it.
I can also say that there was a friend of Pam Anderson's there & from what he said, Pam does not like her. The rags were right! She acted entitled, diva-like and completely bitchy. She thought the world revolved around her. (Why I ask??) Everything was done through her bodyguard.
One time, the costumers wanted her to wear a little blue dress with yellow specks on it (I guess it was glittery showed cleavage & leg) & she flipped out! She started yelling, I'm a mother, there is no way I will ever wear something so revealing. That was the night she wore that short, glittery red short dress. WTH?
Wasn't that worse?
This is long...Sorry!! I have another story. I'll repost. Hang on!

Jenna-na-na said...

OK, so he also told me that she used to chew out the make-up people. She hated her make-up apparently. She always looked like a tranny! LOL

Lucy said...

jibberjabbers said "I already "recapped" a few episodes. LOL"

Those epis are amazing! Holy smackers jibberjabbers I sure hope TLC reads those cause they'll see how transparent their scripted shows really are. Watch out thought TLC might offer you big bucks and cookies to come to their Dark Side and write for them. jibberjabbers we'd all hate to lose you from GWOP lol.

Couch Potato said...

Nanny, you are so right!

Kate gave a family something once!
Then she stopped giving. She could have kept on giving once she got a Sam's club card, but she stopped!

Now she wants to do a Twisted Kate show where she helps people (only if it's on camera!)

She makes me sick.

I'm so glad the kids are finally going to be in grade school and I hope they have some adults in their lives to model appropriate behavior to them.

Too bad Kate didn't give her free Disney Land passes to a needy family. Then she could have spent some quality time with her kids in L.A., California during DSTS.

couch potato said...

I'd love to Niecy Nash and the Clean House crew to come to Gosselin's to get rid of stuff they don't need!. They could take the Coleman Tents and the Crooked houses and all the clothes and more clothes and more clothes and take it all to Haiti where people don't have houses or clothings. Then Kate could volunteer as a nurse and help the people in Haiti with their earthquake injuries. The kids could stay at home with Jo, the Super Nanny. Jo can talk to the kids and find out how they really feel and what they are truly thinking. Then Jo can reconnect the kids with their Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles, and cousins. Jon can finish his college and get a real job. Kate can get stuck in Haiti at least for the long hot, rainy summer.
Kate would quit whining about not having pedicures and manicures because she would meet people who lost hands and feet in the earthquake. It would be a great episode!

MickeyMcKean said...

Kate Gosselin's 'DWTS' Return a Gift and a Curse?
By Rob Shuter
Posted May 17th 2010 08:02AM

Kate Gosselin might be excited about her return to the 'Dancing With the Stars' finale on May 24 and 25, however, other cast members are not so thrilled.

Insiders, who know the ropes behind the hit competition, tell me that while Kate's return will likely bring in monster ratings, it is also bringing sneers and jeers from other competitors, who didn't exactly get along swimmingly with the octomom.

"Everyone, especially Kate's old dancing partner Tony, are dreading the return of Gosselin to the dance floor," one insider told me. "Kate comes with a lot of drama. She's the only celebrity who insisted on having a bodyguard with her at all times and put the costume department through hell each week. She tortured Tony and you don't even want to know what she put the show's hairdressers through! The day Kate was voted off, everyone was celebrating backstage. It's been a lot less toxic without her."

However, one group that is looking forward to Kate returning is the bigwigs at ABC, who only care about that Kate is ratings gold.

"Since Kate left the show, ratings plummeted to the lowest performance of the season. Down a full 17 percent just two weeks after Kate was ousted," an ABC executive tells me. "You have to remember that at the end of the day, ABC cares about ratings -- not transforming Kate Gosselin into Miss Congeniality."

I'm not sure if it's good Kate or bad Kate that's going to show up next week, but I can tell you this -- no matter which Kate it is, we are ALL going to be watching.

www.popeater.com

Marie said...

DWTS Crew Dreads Kate's Return:

http://www.popeater.com/2010/05/17/kate-gosselin-dancing-with-the-stars/

Cry Me a River said...

@Fidosmommy--thanks for giving me my laugh for today - Kate wants us to change her name from Kart to Kare...that was priceless. Will be good for a few laughs all day.
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And thanks for the Erma Bermbeck. I love her! She was brilliant.
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And thanks for the insight on the the "book" also. No wonder it did not sell. It is downright chilling.
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One last thought before I go to work with regard to those mysterious checks that appeared in the mailbox at the just the right moment in the just the right amount. Since Kate is not shy about voicing her needs, I am sure that she put her feelers out with knowig that the checks would surely come.

That little digging in the sofa for change thing is her favorite. She has used it churches and countless other times as well I am sure. How much can one expect to actually gain from that - my biggest haul has been about 75 cents give or take a few.

And one other thing, when the tups were 9 months old the state was paying for full time around the clock nurses (after she petitioned them to do so) if I am not mistaken so indicating she had to leave them alone to make that little short run to the mailbox just don't fly.

Ripping open the envelope (with the bow on it) in her best timesaving skills (at the mailbox) was added for drama which is what all great authors do I suppose - just the perfect Khate twist unwittingly showing her greed. One can only imagine that at point in time those little envelopes were appearing quite frequently, as (most) people genuinely want to help others in need.

IMO

Have a good day all. I am off to the tenches.

K8STFU said...

Hi jibberjabbers:

Just went to your site - is it new ? It is aweseomely awesome!

I watched the "daddy don't leave" video and got teary eyed, very sweet and very sad.

SafetyTrain said...

I wonder if God had such a frank and arduous discussion with Kate when she was accepting all those "love offerings" from all those church folks while she was buying a million dollar house? Or when she faked her vow renewals making a mockery of the institution of marriage? I'm betting she learned to tune God out by then.

pa mom too said...

The Gosselin kids absolutely need someone with them to make sure the laws/rules are not being broken. TLC knew last time that they needed permits to film the kids, but they went ahead without them. What will they try to get away with now ? They should not be above the law, especially where children are involved. I assume Austin's serves alcohol since this is being talked about now. No filming should have been permitted in that restaurant if that's the case.

HW said...

Pink Bunny Said...

I was just reading this article about Kate. If you scroll down to the comments section, there is a comment left by Jamie Cole Ayers that says, Please tune in to watch my lover Kate. What is that about and what don't we know? Wasn't that here friend that visits her all the time. Oh boy....
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This has been brought up before - the possibility that Kate and Jamie Cole Ayers are lovers. Ever since the first mention of this, I've been giving it some thought and I hope I can articulate it well.
I've been wondering if Kate's anger and hatred toward Jon is based on her true desire to actually be with a woman. I'm not saying a lesbian is automatically a hater of all men; I'm just saying perhaps, in Kate's mind, Jon is the one who prevented her from pursuing the relastionship she truly desired. Well, Jon and the kids. Maybe she had it in her head that she was trapped by a sham of a marriage and the eight kids she thought would make her happy; therefore, her only option is to take her frustrations out on them.
And we all know what that looks like. Poor kids.

Okay, how crazy is this theory?

MickeyMcKean said...

chesterctymom said...
Dear TLC,

Since you read this blog, can you explain why Khate signed the pink scooter 'Kate plus 8'... before she and jon were even separated?

Thank you.

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TLC,

I would like to know the answer to this question too.

In the meantime I will assume it was because by the time the scooter came along Kate and TLC had already downgraded Jon, the soon to be ex-husband and father of HER children as "just a sperm donor".

JMO.

Rose said...

Just read in an article that Jon and Kate "obtained work permits for their eight children"...my gosh, does anyone realize how absolutely sick that sounds?? Six and nine-year-old kids with work permits - and here I thought kids were supposed to be concerned only with going to school, playing soccer, seeing their friends, eating ice cream, and just being little for the very short time that life allows them to be. Too bad the Gosselin kids never have and never will know what it's like to have that...oh, but they'll be able to tell everyone that they got work permits before they even stepped foot in a kindergarten classroom.

2badsosad said...

I'm also wondering if TLC is posting the permits at the places where they are being filmed, as required by the law. The law also says that no child under the age of 16 can work outside of school for more than four hours a day.

Now that it has been LEGALLY clarified that when TLC is filming the Gosselin children, they are indeed WORKING, even if filming takes place at what is considered a 'vacation spot' such as an amusement park, the Gosselin children are still 'on the clock' and WORKING. Kate may very well try to justify the reason for removing the children from school under the guise that it was a family 'vacation', however, vacation or not, if the TLC cameras were rolling on the Gosselin children , the fact remains that the children are/were WORKING and TLC must comply with the terms and conditions that govern child labor laws!! IMO, TLC publicly disclosing that they (and J & K) have complied with child labor laws by acquiring working permits for the Gosselin children was a swift way to appease the critics. However, the terms and conditions that govern child labor laws extend well beyond 'working permits' and if TLC/ J & K have no desire in making it a priority to protect the rights and best interests of the 8 minor Gosselin children, I'm certain there are many an individual that are paying very close attention this time around.

Geri said...

I live in Central Florida and would have been glad to follow Kate around to make sure those kids weren't filmed longer than 4 hours per day but I didn't know they were going to be here. I guess TLC makes sure no one knows where they are going to be in advance.

awful said...

snipped.....Kate and TLC had already downgraded Jon, the soon to be ex-husband and father of HER children as "just a sperm donor".
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i feel a tiny bit sad for Jon- he probably thought it was he and his wife as a team working together to raise their kids. US and THEM.

It seems he was always trying to obey her in order to prevent her from having a fit.
Then when it was obvious she was at fault, the baby voice and im exhausted act was come out.

From what i watched on tv, kate never treated him like a partner or equal in their marriage.
She berated him constantly and made fun of him and then would look at the camera and production crew and laugh at him- all of whom would probably encourage it .as it made for great tv

silimom said...

I was just reading this article about Kate. If you scroll down to the comments section, there is a comment left by Jamie Cole Ayers that says, Please tune in to watch my lover Kate. What is that about and what don't we know?

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Please bear in mind that anyone can log into a comments section and call themselves anything they want. Just because she said she was Jamie Cole Ayers doesn't mean it was her. We need to be careful to try and not spread innuendo and rumor. Otherwise, we compromise the integrity of this blog.

Lorrie said...

Just read that Kate is going to be on "Entertainment Tonight" as a special DWTS correspondent Mondays through Wednesdays. I can't imagine what insight she would contribute into the world of dancing, but it's on the US Weekly website if anyone would care to look.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

Those kids got "work permits" to be "legally" indentured servants....which is not far off from being a slave (see further below). Indentured servants are defined by wikepedia as:

"Indentured Servant: one who was voluntarily or involuntarily committed to working for someone for a fixed number of years (usually 4 to 7) in exchange for passage to America or some other financial advantage (i.e., learning a trade). An indentured servant had few, if any, rights, but people without skills or money accepted this position in order to emigrate. After the period of work was over, the servant usually became a freeman. It was also common practice for parents to indenture their children with the intent of having their child learn a trade or craft. "

Kate spent what--about 3 or 4 months on bed rest? She can't complain about that because bed rest is what she loves--lying down and barking orders to everyone, forcing them to cater to her every whim, with the fear of "penalties of serverness" if they fail to comply with her demands.

So--now that those 6 year olds got work permits, and by virtue of their misfortune so do the 9 year olds--I wonder what they think of being indentured servants for Kate until the age of majority in exchange for those few months of her bed rest. IF they had a choice--which they do not--one wonders what they would have opted for.

p.s...the only difference in a slave and an indentured servant is that slaves did not have a fixed period of time, whereas an indentured servant worked for a predetermined time period.

Please...discuss.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

one additional thought....someone here said that in an interview, kate/jon told the kids that if they wanted to be together all of the time they should do the "family business" i.e the show to convince the kids to go along with this sham. NOW the kids have to go to school, mommy and daddy are not together all the time (in fact, it's the opposite and nobody is together), and they STILL have to do this "family business." What other lies did they pile on after that to these kids to try and con them into "Kate Plus 8"??? (I think Jon is still gonna be paid, to be quiet, but not on that stupid show). It's all just a matter of time before this house of cards comes tumbling Kate.....a matter of time.

PATH said...

I am glad someone else noticed how long the 6 were left alone in the bedroom for "naptime". It also always made me nervous that at least two of the cribs were against a window with blinds (as I remember)--lots of hazards there with possible broken glass--on the 2nd floor--choking, etc. Also the day they were putting the shelves up in the garage, some of the 6 came down stairs--and J & K appeared to have no idea any of the children were even awake. With the editing who knows what really went on, but I always thought it strange that TLC showed how often the 6 were according to Kate left alone in that bedroom. After awhile, I felt that TLC just documented the abuse/neglect Kate (directly) & Jon (mostly passively) inflicted on those children.

emschick1128 said...

I just read that Kate is going to be a "speical correspondent" on ET for DWTS I believe starting tonight. What insight could she possibly have to offer especially where she sucked so back. I hope so much that by the end of the summer after both her shows tank that she will go away and those poor kids can lead a somewhat normal life. I think maybe people might tune in to Kate plus 8 initially out of curiousity but I can't see it lasting. The kids are older and have lost alot of the cuteness obviously from when they were very little that made them endearing to the audience. I can't imagine many people wanting to watch a bunch of 6 and 9 year olds fight and travel around to theme parks. Watching kids ride the merry-go-round and having that scank yeeling at them doesn't exactly sound like must see tv. Hopefully the general public is sick of her. As a side note I am one of nine children and my parents actually raised us without a reality show,no nannies,a chef and my mom never had a body guard either. She cooked for us,gave us encourgement,loved us, took care of us when we were sick and managed to send us all to college and never complained!! Kate's not at first person to have 8 or more kids although you would sure think it. No one has a tougher life than she does, poor Kate. She is such a poor excuse for a mother, it's sickening what she does to those kids and how she treats them.

emschick1128 said...

Kete's book is now available on Amazon for $6.98, very impressive. What a blockbuster.

PA G-ma said...

I watched some of the early shows of J&K until I saw the episodes at ToysRus and the Crayola one. I'm not sure which came first, but it doesn't matter as they were both disgusting as to Kate's behavior. In both episodes, the "normal" people caught in the shots, mirrored my revulsion toward this person. I stopped watching this horrendous person and had no desire to put myself into a position of yelling and cursing at the tv. I do not find the 8 to be especially cute, precocious or appealing. They are "just kids"

I was fine until these horrible people (J & K) started to invade other shows that I watched and also my time spent in checkout lines. They have invaded my space. My son and DIL live in Berks Co. and I visit them often, shopping and dining. Thank goodness that I have never had the displeasure of being shoved aside for this group while they were filming. In all probability, it would not be nice as I can become vocal, verrrry vocal.The G's rights do not cancel out my rights to be in a public place.

Kate reminds me of "Walter Mitty", in a book written by James Thurber. Walter didn't have a lot going for him until he started daydreaming and put himself in important heroic roles. He was really something in his own mind. The same could be said about Kate,super mom, super "STAHH", the "mostest" everything in her dreams. It's insane that TLC is pushing her quest for fame and riches so hard because when her downfall happens, it will be hard. I hope that TLC has some type of Psych insurance on her because she will surely need help.

Hippie Chick said...

Rose, I agree. It does sound sick that 6 & 9 year olds have work permits doesn't it? And who is making sure that these work permits are being followed? Are there people on set making sure that specific laws are being adhered too? That the kids are getting proper schooling? There should be at least 2 tutors on set maybe?(We know they get pulled out of school lots) I am sorry if this has been posted before.
It is a twisted world that b*tch lives in that she makes her own children bring home the earnings. Well, I guess we'll never know until one of them writes a book. I cannot wait for that day. I'll be right in line.
I can picture where Kate will be. Alone, in her big house, screaming WHY, WHY, did I do that do to my kids? Why didn't I let them have a childhood? Why didn't I try at my marriage? Why did I choose fame over motherhood? She will be all alone, broke and destitute. Eff her. She deserves what she has coming. I'm sorry. That is so mean to say, as I am usually a very peace-loving person. But with all she has done to so many people, her kids especially, I see it happening, sooner, rather than later.

Tami said...

So they are repeating their Disney experience so soon after the California trip. I wonder if this time, after reading all the comments out there, they decide to put the family in the LINES for rides instead of ushering them up front? Then Khate can go on and on and on about how awful it is that they have to put her famous family through that and in reality there will be 100 TLC crew members keeping the real people at bay anyway!

Vanessa said...

Get your earplugs ready, she'll be a guest correspondent for ET from Mon to Wed this week. (I think it's this week, have to recheck the site) Why oh why do they keep giving her these opportunities? She'll get their ratings up for sure, but please stop feeding the dragon!

wildflowers said...

However, one group that is looking forward to Kate returning is the bigwigs at ABC, who only care about that Kate is ratings gold.

Perhaps the DWTS ratings for the season finale will increase because viewers will tune in to watch the SEASON FINALE, ie who WINS, and have absolutely NOTHING to do with the return of Kate Gosselin.

jonandkatewho? said...

I guess I reluctantly agree with the mods' decision to do no recaps of Kate's two new shows. I loved the old recaps and will miss that, but I see why they don't want to do them anymore.

But please, pretty please! no breaks from this blog. I'm pretty much addicted by now, and even though I might not post as much as I used to, I do admit to coming here daily to read. I mean, I have probably missed a few days here and there, but not many.

I love this blog and am still hopeful that in some way and at some time, it brings about some positive change in the lives of those 8 little kids.

They are not watchable on television as far as I am concerned, not babies anymore and not particularly good looking or talented; however they are innocent kids with horrible parenting who deserve to have their childhoods back.

SafetyTrain said...

I don't think Kate is a closet lesbian - I think she just unfortunately views females (mostly herself) as superior to men in most situations - as evidenced by the way she treats her children. She still goes into flirty, little-girl mode when she's around men she's physically attracted to (or men that have cameras in their hands) - which is why I think she's straight.

Kit said...

When is Kate's new show premiering? Maybe we should start a "Boycott Kate" moveement for that week. No posting here, no clicking on other links, no watching the show either on TV or online, NO ATTENTION AT ALL.

In fact, that's what I'm going to do. JOIN ME! FREE THE EIGHT!!!!!

Lissa said...

OMG, Im so glad someone mentioned the comparisons to Diane Downs. I've read Small Sacrifices a billion times and have seen interviews and I watched that special. Ive thought to myself for about a year now of how much Kate reminds me of Diane. Its sick and its sad and is SCARY!

MBach said...

I'm tired. Just so very tired of even trying to figure out why anyone likes her, wants to look at her, wants to hear her speak.

Sorry.
I'm done. tah tah for ...well probably forever.

K8STFU said...

"Since Kate left the show, ratings plummeted to the lowest performance of the season. Down a full 17 percent just two weeks after Kate was ousted," an ABC executive tells me. "You have to remember that at the end of the day, ABC cares about ratings -- not transforming Kate Gosselin into Miss Congeniality."

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Didn't Tom Bergeron say that they were still #1 with or without K8? And also, if there was indeed a decline, maybe it was because of Pamela ?

Really, what the heck will K8 add to the show at this point? She's not dancing so that means she is speaking which is not a good thing either. Wonder if she will " I heart u" to her camera reflection, er, I mean kids, again.

And finally , should we all make some friendly wagers as to how long into the show before K8 mentions the kids ? The winner wins a big bowl of monkey munch, 2 grapes and one tortilla chip, all organic of course.

Ohio Buckeye said...

HW: not crazy. IMO K8G gives off a very odd, asexual, vibe. I've wondered if it's due to her belief that she has to remain closeted.

I just do not see her HAVE any attraction to men, nor can I imagine men being attracted to HER.

JMO.

jibberjabbers said...

chesterctymom said...
Dear TLC,

Since you read this blog, can you explain why Khate signed the pink scooter 'Kate plus 8'... before she and jon were even separated?

Thank you.

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If you rewatch that episode and zoomed in, you can clearly see that Kate signed it "Jon and Kate"..

Ohio Buckeye said...

"I'd love to Niecy Nash and the Clean House crew to come to Gosselin's to get rid of stuff they don't need..."

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The very first thing the Clean House crew ought to remove from Gosselin Acres is that useless, poor excuse for a mom, Kate Gosselin.

Take her, along with the stupid box of pinecones she insisted go in a specific spot on a specific garage shelf, the bogus recycle bins from the "Gosselins Go Green" (yeah, right) episode, the commercial-style popcorn maker (like the average mom has), and, most especially, all her phony bible quotes and demeaning post it note directives tacked up everywhere.

Take them all to the dump, to the dump, to the dump, dump dump....

Katelyn said...

overthehill (and anyone else from the UK for that matter)- I am curious to know the viewpoint of those from the UK regarding Kate. I spent a semester in England this past fall and didn't hear a blip of her in the news at all. I also didn't have a TV so didn't know if the show was on. What is her status in the UK?

free willy said...

My Take is...
Kate's sister wouldn't have told her about this family,if she didn't already know she had money to give.
Why would tell a very poor person(KATE)about another poor person.

Also,I believe that the coupon episode,was more about a GIFT CARD than a coupon. Did they really have a coupon for a shower head for that perticular store?

OzNTM said...

You know how peoples first and last names and celebrity couples names get shortened, like Jennifer Lopez to J Lo or Brad & Angelina to Brangelina, well I'm gonna do that to Kate's new show.

Instead of calling it Twisted Kate, I'm shortening it to Twite (pronounced Twit, silent e lol).

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