Let's Save All the Kids on Reality TV

Someone here just recently said that all they want is for the Gosselin children to not be filmed. That used to be enough for me, too, but now that's changed.

I want the Gosselin 8 to have money in irrevocable accounts, under the supervision of an impartial outsider whose focus is on the best interests of the children.

But...

I also want all children on 'reality TV' to have across-the-board protections, starting with proper pay and protection, all under the supervision of, again, an impartial outsider whose focus is on the best interests of the children.

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Nova said...

Someone here just recently said that all they want is for the Gosselin children to not be filmed. That used to be enough for me, too, but now that's changed.

I want the Gosselin 8 to have money in irrevocable accounts, under the supervision of an impartial outsider whose focus is on the best interests of the children.

But...

I also want all children on 'reality TV' to have across-the-board protections, starting with proper pay and protection, all under the supervision of, again, an impartial outsider whose focus is on the best interests of the children.

I want there to be a strict amount of time the kids can be available for filming, and I want the circumstances to be kid-friendly. No super-bright lights, no excessive heat, no making the kids film in summer clothing if the temperature is too cold, etc. No repeat scenes because a cameraman missed a shot, no feeding of lines, no coercion to 'perform' as the director or the writers want. No missing out on school, being kept up at night, filmed in potentially embarrassing situations, nudity, or subjected to public ridicule. I want the kids to have lots of water, potty breaks (no cameras), regular healthy meals, free time, etc. No set-ups designed to get the kids upset so there is footage of crying kids, they can do that on their own when the need arises.

I want them all to have frequent solo sessions with legitimate child care professionals and minders who all have the power to call a screeching halt to the shenanigans that the Gosselin kids were subjected to.,

I want the adults responsible for the children to also undergo psychological screening. I also want the adults in question to be required to go for more evaluation, at the discretion of the psychologists, if they begin to exhibit signs that, for whatever reason, they are becoming dismissive of the needs of the children, or if they have another agenda that is contradictory to the bests interests of the child.

Oh, and I want everyone who comes into contact with the kids in a professional sense, cameramen, directors, lighting technicians, support personnel, etc. to all undergo fingerprinting, FBI background checks, and thorough psychological tests. Only people who like kids, are not deviant, and are well-adjusted need apply when working on a reality show that kids will appear on.

These laws and safeguards are necessary because we can't count on the parents to provide it. We can't count on the entertainment industry to provide it. It's up to us to make laws to protect these children.

Yeah, we'll probably see a lot less kids on the 'reality' shows if this takes effect, and I'm all for it.

Save the Gosselin 8, and all the other kids, too.

Ohio Buckeye said...

My wish is broader: could we please raise the standards of TV so as not to have every other show a 'reality' (which is always totally bogus) program?

These shows seem to pick THE MOST maladjusted, obnoxious, self absorbed, shallow, not-in-the-pink-of-mental-health, tacky, self righteous folk on the planet and then present these as role models? Are they kidding???!

WHY does anyone consider watching these inherently boring people 'entertainment'?

My wish is for TV to raise the bar in creativity and content. Stop cheaping out on these stupid 'reality' shows, geared specifically for the most intellectually- and sophstication-challenged viewers.

NoUse4Kate said...

Wow! Excellent post. :)

MickeyMcKean said...

Nova, I totally agree with everything you said.

I sent a letter to Rep. Murt after the hearing last week but he only can change laws as it pertains to Pennsylvania.

So as for all children on reality TV in all states, I suggest making a donation to A MINOR CONSIDERATION. Paul Peterson made quite an impression at the hearing last week, both to the panel of representatives and to this viewer via the web cam.

I recently lost my job due to the economy but I still wanted to help the cause so I donated $8 to AMC via PayPal. Whereas it is not much, it still adds up, and when I'm working again I will donate again.

rural mom said...

None of the networks will allow child advocates to have the same air time they give Kate Gosselin and her travelling single mom tale of woe. They won't because there is too much money being made off these kids. Look at Kate's entourage, Steve makes a reported $1600 a day - you bet he is going to pull detractors out of her face and promote the new shows every chance he gets. Same with Tony, he is going to hang in there cashing his pay cheques, going with the flow.
Even on the View today the ladies clearly sold out their personal views, and did the Kate Gosselin is just a single mom trying to make ends meet, crap. Even Whoopie let the producer in her ear call her off when she veered off the pro-Kate script.
It is sickening how profit and child exploitation go hand in hand but what can you really expect from the media these days?
Do your best not to feed into it, don't buy the books, don't watch the shows.

Claudia said...

Amen, Nova. If you're not a lawyer, please consider the profession - you made some great recommendations!

justamom said...

I don't think so. All you want is to have Kate's head on a stick to parade thru town.

Ali B said...

I think a reality type concept show can still be interesting if it focused on a subject for just a season and was more informational rather than looking for controversy. When you have a series that lasts longer than one season and is only looking to create a buzz and exploit the subject matter rather than provide insight than you get the problems.

Just like the Gosselins and the Roloffs, at first you have realism and normal type situations. But what alot of people often forget is that these folks get paid. And if the show is successful they get paid big time. So in the begining you might get to see a very realistic non scripted peek into a certain homelife situation. However, in the end you get to see a family dynamic corrupted by money and are now basically watching scripted and puppet controlled people not really being themselves and totally focused on basking in their new found fame and wealth. You can go from seeing a small town mom struggling to feed her kids in season one to the same mom living in a mansion and shopping for a BMW in season three if the show is a hit.

Nowadays reality shows are nothing more than watching average people become millionaires over time. They should be called "lottery shows" instead of reality because that is what is happening to people selected to have their own shows most of the time. They have won the lottery $$$$$$.

KatyKat said...

I don't believe children should be on reality shows at all.

Can't See Sheep said...

Such great posts on this thread. You are all right, all the kids should be protected, Duggars, Hayes & all the rest. It is a shame that we can't trust the adults in their lives to protect them, but we can't, it's been too well demonstrated. And yes, Ohio Buckeye, they do need to raise the bar in so many aspects on these programs. The problem is the amount of money everyone is making with these shows, verses the amount of money that is laid out to create these shows. WHEN we get these laws passed for children on these shows, I wouldn't be surprised if they all but disappear on so called reality shows as it'll be a huge cost to have them on the shows, which is fine with me, children should have their childhood.

When you look at the span of a persons life childhood seems to be such a short part of it. All too soon it's off to a job & not always one people enjoy, for a much larger part of their lives. Leave them alone, let them have fun & enjoy themselves, let them have their innocence, they'll have to get serious about life all too soon.

Unfortunately I can see why reality attracts the mentally & behaviourally unstable, it's a magnet for narcissists, all who dream of being on TV (or just having as much attention as possible), but don't have the talent to get there on their own, like real stars do. They're also far more dramatic than a "normal" person would be. These film companies seem to like playing that "wild card" aspect on each show, as who knows what so & so will do next week. We know what they'll do, they'll create drama, they'll cause problems & in general make life a lot more difficult than it ever needs to be, all in the name of so called entertainment. It all ends up being a very predictable formula.

Jane in CA said...

Nova - excellent post. I agree entirely with all your points. Federal laws must be put into place, and they should be quite strict and specific.

Areas I feel most strongly about:
1. An equal portion of the income being paid to the family for the reality show must be set aside in untouchable accounts for any minors on the show. If the show is about a family of five, three being minors, then each minor will receive exactly 1/5th of the monies. The parents will not be able to directly access the money. The money to be held in trust for the child until he or she reaches the age of 18, and then disbursed in three to four annual installments until depleted.

b. Number of hours children may be filmed strictly limited. Instead of re-inventing the wheel, legislators should look to Coogan's Law for the existing laws for child actors and go from there.

c. Every employee of the public school system (at least where I live) must undergo a fingerprint check, and that's from the janitor up to the principal. So I think your suggestion of requiring all crew members, etc., on any reality show that features minors, be required to undergo the same, is a good one.

Jane in CA said...

justamom said...

I don't think so. All you want is to have Kate's head on a stick to parade thru town.
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What an odd thing to say! My question to you would be:

What did you think of the suggestions proposed by Nova. Do you think it's important to safeguard children on reality television shows in the ways Nova described?

Regardless of whether we are fans of Kate or not, is there some agreement that all reasonable people could reach that says, "we don't want children to be exploited, therefore we are all for putting in sensible safeguards for their financial and physical security"?

N.E. Psychologist said...

Excellent post Nova. Thank you. The only thing that I would add would be meeting the children's educational needs.

Apparently these 8 got 2 years of pre k so they'd be available for filming.

cdnmom47 said...

I don't think kids should be permitted to be filmed for reality shows PERIOD.

They are not adults and have NO CONCEPT as to what impact that filming is going to have on their lives.
To have personal moments filmed and put out there for the world is totally different than a child taking a 'job' as an actor and playing a 'role'.

Kids' personal lives need to be kept private. Yes, they're cute and sometimes interesting, but their personal moments shouldn't be put out there as 'entertainment' for the rest of us.

rosee said...

I disagree because this doesn't go far enough. The decision made to put a child on tv will follow them forever. There may be short term financial gains, but those are offset by the long term risks. I don't think any parent has the right to make that decision for a child if they don't have complete editorial control over the final product.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Can't See Sheep said, "Unfortunately I can see why reality attracts the mentally & behaviourally unstable, it's a magnet for narcissists, all who dream of being on TV (or just having as much attention as possible), but don't have the talent to get there on their own, like real stars do. They're also far more dramatic than a "normal" person would be. These film companies seem to like playing that "wild card" aspect on each show, as who knows what so & so will do next week. We know what they'll do, they'll create drama, they'll cause problems & in general make life a lot more difficult than it ever needs to be, all in the name of so called entertainment. It all ends up being a very predictable formula."

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EXCELLENTLY said, Sheep!!!!!!!

Here's an "AMEN" from Ohio!!!!

pinkdiamond611 said...

We all know that "reality" t.v. is not a documentary. There are already laws on the books concerning child actors. Children in reality shows should fall under the same, or new similiar laws. Any child in acting is in it so their parents can get cash, face it. Same with reality shows. Evidently there will always be parents who put their needs before the needs of their children.

too bad,so sad said...

I want a DEVELOPMENTAL psychologist to observe, report, evaluate and TEACH all the people around the kids what is normal, acceptable, age appropriate behavior and what needs behavioral modification. Then model how to modify the behavior. Time out is effective, but you time out to let a child think and calm down. You do NOT time out when a child is crying for a parent that left the house. You cuddle them and distract them! (yeah-35 years working with young kids, I learned a thing or two)
And, for pity sake, stop asking psychologists who only studied adult addiction of whatever else, maybe research or clinical! You don't bring your baby to a geriatric specialist when they are sick. Use the specialist that is highly trained in that area of expertise-'come on TLC has the money!

dustilies said...

Great posts Nova, Buckeye, Sheep, Jane in CA, and all. (A special flutter of admiration for Jane's, um, forbearance with fellow posters. I'm afraid I am far less mature. Gray hair and all.)

Here's a related question, that I mean very seriously. Do you think that the general feeling in North America is that the family is under unprecedented stress, creating toxic configurations of itself, generally failing to thrive or to nurture?

I ask this because I am noticing a pattern where reality shows that are not centered on families end up dragging in family drama.

For example, I just discovered Billy the Exterminator on AandE. Great central character, amusing encounters with all manner of critters in people's homes and businesses, some useful info on prevention, inspiring no-kill policy. First episode I saw, I was loving it. Until all of sudden there is a swerve to family drama (it's a family extermination business) involving Billy's wife and family-office rumors that she may be pregnant. Next episode I saw, Billy's brother's estranged wife shows up (high?) during a job and messes everything up.

I just don't get it. I just want to have a no-brain half hour with clear villains (snakes) and clear heroes (Billy).

Obviously, TV execs know (or have strong reason to think) that we want more than that--some father-mother-son conflicts are crucial to the success of the show.

Any perspective on this? I was totally happy to learn how to keep bats out of the louvers into my attic. But maybe I'm just bats.

Ohio Buckey said...

"Here's a related question, that I mean very seriously. Do you think that the general feeling in North America is that the family is under unprecedented stress, creating toxic configurations of itself, generally failing to thrive or to nurture?"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I love your question!

I think it's beyond bizarre that pop culture has gone from the 50's version of squeaky clean family (Father Knows Best, Leave It To Beaver), where plots and dialogue, and characters were unrealistically perfect to the dregs of humanity that are now thrust in our collective face and presented as 'normal' families.

We've come a long way, baby.
All in the wrong direction.

The "reality" dysfunction is no more 'reality" than the fantasy life of the 50's version of the perfect family dynamic.

Let's just all admit that it's next to impossible to capture true family reality - it's far too complex and deep to be trivialized in a weekly, scripted collection of scripted characters and plots.

Reality TV needs to go away.
It demeans all of us as humans and as members of real life families.

Thanks for a thought-provoking query!

Sabreena said...

Ali B said...
... So in the begining you might get to see a very realistic non scripted peek into a certain homelife situation. However, in the end you get to see a family dynamic corrupted by money and are now basically watching scripted and puppet controlled people not really being themselves and totally focused on basking in their new found fame and wealth. ...

I agree. The most recent Dugger commercial shows the older girls trying to knit something then throwing in the towel and saying "let's go shopping". And one is shown driving a car while talking on the phone, and carrying around a little dog the way you would see Paris Hilton do. Are those girl changing?

Jane in CA said...

dustlilies said:
Until all of sudden there is a swerve to family drama (it's a family extermination business) involving Billy's wife and family-office rumors that she may be pregnant. Next episode I saw, Billy's brother's estranged wife shows up (high?) during a job and messes everything up.

I just don't get it. I just want to have a no-brain half hour with clear villains (snakes) and clear heroes (Billy).

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Good point DL, and I do agree that even reality shows that start off with a focus on particularly unusual career or character often branch out to bring in family members or co-workers to add to the "interest" (drama). Orange County Choppers started out strong, with a family dynamic of a bombastic father who butts heads with his creative son. Yes, they had their moments, but the show's focus was originally more on the manufacture of some really cool, wild motorcycles and how they came together.

Then it just degenerated and I think ultimately that's what ruined the show (and possibly the father-son bond).

The true moral is that most television execs and producers seem to turn off their moral compass when they come into work. It's all about what will drive the ratings up, and I call it the Jerry Springerisation of television. Nothing is too personal, too private, too disgusting not to be brought out on display. If the discussion can get raucous and confrontational, so much the better. It's packaged as "real drama or real life" but it's just catering to the lowest common denominator.

TLC saw that Kate was a lightning rod with her melt downs, temper tantrums, rantings and ravings. Instead of trying to re-focus the show back to family friendly, they purposely chose to emphasize the negative. I'm sure they even guided Kate into situations where the chances were greater for her nastiness to come out. They had no care for the children exposed to this nastiness -- their only concern is for ratings and dollars. It doesn't matter who gets hurt, nor does it matter one bit to them if they overwork children, ruin their lives, make them laughingstocks or get them stalked by weirdos -- the only thing TLC, ABC, NBC, The View, The Today Show, Ophrah, Nancy Grace (gag), Jay Leno, Dr. Drew, Joy Behar, Dr. Phil, Meredith Viera, etc., care about is ratings. That's it.

Say what you will about Joan Rivers, who has made her share of mistakes in life. But she openly speaks out against Kate Gosselin in the face of nearly unanimous sell-outs in the industry.

And that's why we need strong laws in place to protect children such as the Gosselins. If we can't stop them being filmed, at least let's safeguard them from the worst.

GoPoshGo said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
"My wish is for TV to raise the bar in creativity and content. Stop cheaping out on these stupid 'reality' shows, geared specifically for the most intellectually- and sophstication-challenged viewers."

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A-MEN, Buckeye.

Your lips to God's ear.

emschick1128 said...

Poor Tony!! Did you see the way she was yawning during practice and had no interest at all. Then of course blames a visit from the kids for her being so tired. Anyone with a TV set knows that she was busy on every foolish talk show and promoting her tell all book not spending time with her kids. She makes me so sick!! Then of course her plea for votes that the "kids live for her to dance" yea right. If you notice when they show all the other couples there always either having fun or there is some chemistry between them. With Kate though it's always whining, bitching never anything positive ever. I'm sure Tony can't wait to be put out of his misery along with the rest of us. This woman makes me so sick. I can so fathom how anyone can believe her and feed in to her crap. She is an insult to those of us who really are hardworking divorced or single mothers.

Save the children, save the families said...

Agree with so much posted on this thread. In a society, we have a collective responsibility to protect the most vulnerable among us - the sick, elderly, handicapped, and the children.

As far as the deterioration of the famility, the late Pope John Paul II said "As the family goes, so goes the nation and so goes the whole world in which we live." Scary, isn't it?

Ali B said...

And the people on these "Reality" shows seem very willing to be exploited by the broadcasting companies.

What makes me angry is that in a few years, after their celebrity and fame has faded, the same reality stars will probably turn against the companies for furhter limelight and profit.

Can you envision a 50 year old Kate releasing a book and then she and the grown up kids doing the media show circuit talking about how TLC exploited and broke up their family? Stars like Kate, will probably try to become advocates against the evils of reality televison just to get back on the talk shows circuits and be the center of attention again.

It is still too early in the genre to see the long term efects but I really think that is going to be the pattern with all of these type of shows in the end.

Chase McCaw said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/20/kate-gosselin-bombs-danci_n_544407.html

Please, please register and expose these child exploiters. Almost all HuffPo commenters are anti-Kate (thank goodness!), but it couldn't hurt for more people to tell the sinister truth about Kate and disoute _lies_ from sheeple who may (probably will!) chime in.

silimom said...

Nova, Buckeye, well just everyone - GREAT POSTS! Buckeye, I totally agree with your assessment about television today.

Dustilies - I think, inherent in all of us, is a need to compare ourselves to others. Especially in these times, when so many people are struggling, it's reassuring to be able to turn on the tv, watch the Gosselins or some other family/group of people, and say "My life may be bad, but at least I'm not _____ (fill in the blank). At least my morals are still in tact."

Also, someone mentioned it's the lottery effect - now you're a millionaire so how does that affect you (Funny thing - there's now a reality show that actually films people who've won the lottery and I think it's on TLC)? We look at people like Jon and Kate and compare and reassure ourselves that we'd never allow wealth and/or fame to go to our heads like THEY did.

So, IMO, I think these reality shows that bring in family drama are pandering to that need to compare. To make ourselves feel better by looking into the nastiness of other people's lives. Reality shows with the family drama are modern day morality plays.

Can't See Sheep said...

Ali B said...
Can you envision a 50 year old Kate releasing a book and then she and the grown up kids doing the media show circuit talking about how TLC exploited and broke up their family?
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Yep, I can see it, after all, whatever makes kate cash, she'll do. I however won't become one of her followers even after claims of reform & book tours, it's kate & it's fame & money that motivates kate, all other things are secondary or fall somewhere further down the list. She can advocate all she likes, I won't believe her, she'll be there for the attention as usual, same song, different verse. A narcissist is ALWAYS & forever a narcissist.

Monster Mommy said...

Kate Gosselin said in an interview on E! News this week, that the children HAVE NOT been told they will be filming for a new reality show this year. This is absurd. The kids were not asked, (let alone told) whether or not they want to participate. Their mother just signed them up without their knowledge!

I wonder what Nancy Grace would do if TLC said they were doing a new reality show this summer, starring her twins... and there's nothing she can do about it! Unreal- this is Jon's new reality if he lets this charade continue to go on. It should be called "Exploiting 8 Minor Children".

Can't See Sheep said...

@Ohio Byuckeye, so very true about how TV has gone. From one extreme to the other. A half hour is just not enough to catch a true family dynamic & portray it accurately. It would be wonderful if they'd raise the bar on creativity and content. Unfortunately so many of these companies are addicted to the little out lay of money they have to pay to create these shows that rake in so much. Hopefully they'll dwindle out of fashion at some point, couldn't be soon enough for me.

@silimom, you are so right when you said, "Reality shows with the family drama are modern day morality plays." The unravelling of this family was there for us to see, along with everything else & lessons still to be uncovered. There are so many lessons with the G's for one to learn & with kate still around there will be plenty more. The world around kate crumbles, but she never seems to notice unless it directly interferes with her famewhoring or her cash.

Halo24 said...

Octomom has more sense than Khate. She was on Oprah and asked about doing a reality show to make money. Nadiya then seems to take a few jabs at Kart...

She says that she would NEVER do a reality show, that it's "exploitative" and "robs them of their childhood and privacy." Oprah seemed surprised at the answer and then Nadiya said "it's MY responsibility to take care of THEM"

Does Nadiya obviously gets it FAR MORE than Kate in terms of using the kids for financial gain.

AND WTH is with Oprah? She seemed to think Nadia should do a reality show?? That would screw the kids up beyond repair...more so than they already will be.

Anonymous said...

I thought Cali had better guidelines?? Tori and Dean's kid was on the potty on an epi. And on Oprah she showed the Ocotmom's kids in the tub! With bare bottoms showing! Has no one learned how damaging this is to the kids???

Concerned.

SandyW said...

Last Winter I watched a rerun of the Duggar Family. The had a South Korean film crew filming them because multiples and large families are almost unheard of in South Korea. The crew was fascinated by every dull thing.

I don't know how much Korean Reality TV pays I doubt it is as much as US. I worry that Kate may do something whacky and try to outsource to Korea on the ruse it is a cultural immersion for the children.

Today I heard about a woman being denied becoming a foster mother because she prohibits pork products in her home. Where is the common sense in our Laws when it comes to children?

bonehead said...

Well, I have a new respect for Octomom, after seeing her on Oprah. And let's hope she lives up to her saying about not using her children for her own self gain. And she was hinting around about K8.

Beejcctx said...

Octomom has more sense than Khate. She was on Oprah and asked about doing a reality show to make money. Nadiya then seems to take a few jabs at Kart...

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Actually, not really.

Octomom's fatal mistake was having her kids in California - the ONE state that DOES have protections for children in entertainment. Paul Petersen, Gloria Allred, etc. pounced on her the minute she tried to have any type of production (USA based or not) in the home.

Thankfully, California HAS laws in place that provide
- Set times/locations for filming - based on age of child
- Tutors
- Guardian Ad-Litems
- Trust Funds

And I wanted to add Psychologists/Therapists since the ADULTS on Survivor have them...what makes it different for these poor kids being manipulated on Wife Swap or any other "reality show"?

Basically the SAME Child Labor Laws in California MUST be passed FEDERALLY to protect kids in all 50 states.

That has been my stance from the beginning.

Protect8 said...

This is an important post. All children on reality television need to be protected. Jon and Kate Gosselin became contentious with each other as they horrified audiences with their attitude toward their children. This, and this alone, is why so many people ended up knowing who they are - they tuned into the last season for the train wreck. Lots of these people who were unaware of how children were being treated on reality television got an eyeful.

I downloaded a Wife Swap episode, having been previously unfamiliar with the show, and watched the switched parents on both sides scream/yell/use profanity/threaten physical harm all in front of very young, scared looking children. It was heartbreaking and so wrong - particularly when the one father held his toddler daughter while maniacally screaming at his "new" wife. The baby cried and cried and was obviously very disturbed. In a fit of rage, he demanded his 3 daughters get in the car and he screeched out of the driveway and sped off - with, of course, three kids' lives hanging on his anger.

There needs to be equal outrage at Wife Swap, The Duggars and all of the other reality shows that exploit children.

Amazing that back in the 30s and 40s it became law that child actors be protected on set. Later, it became law that their earnings needed to be protected. But now there are none of these things in place for the hundreds of children showing up on reality shows.

Joy Behar, Larry King, The View panel and everyone else who throws little softballs to Kate during interviews are complicit in the degradation of the 8 Gosselin children. They put down the "octomom" yet buy into Kate's "I do it all for the kids, poor me."

Kate's Nemesis said...

Does anyone else find it disturbing that Kate is going to put her kids on another reality show this summer, and has not told them about it? Twisted Kate needs a shrink! Someone hire an Attorney Ad Litem for those kids, as they are being exploited. Kate also used the free plane tickets and funds from DWTS to take her kids to Disneyland... Unreal. They left early because they were heckled to death by crowds of people that have Kate's number!

bonehead said...

Good for those people at Disney, they should heckle her. What gives her the right to cut up in line. She is nobody. Just a wanna-be. And yes Octomom got her self into something, that she thought was easy, Motherhood. I think Nadia has done a lot of growing up, and a reality check. She found out wanting is not the same as having. And I agree there should be laws to protect all children in anything that appears on TV. Whether it's reality, wife-swap or regular TV or cable. We have seen too many young stars fall by the way side. Or like Danny Bonaduce, having a jealious father who beat him, once in a while or even Patty Duke. We need the laws. JMO

Midnight Serenade said...

"Does anyone else find it disturbing that Kate is going to put her kids on another reality show this summer, and has not told them about it?"

I thought she said weeks ago that the children were happy because they would again be traveling (flying on the plane) with her. Now she says she hasn't told them. Which is it?

Vanessa said...

Protect 8,
You should send a letter to the State of Pennsylvania.

She makes me ill! said...

"Does anyone else find it disturbing that Kate is going to put her kids on another reality show this summer, and has not told them about it?"
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I thought she said weeks ago that the children were happy because they would again be traveling (flying on the plane) with her. Now she says she hasn't told them. Which is it?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I can see it going something like this:

Kate to kids: Do you want Mommy to be home? Do you want to go on special trips?

Of course the kids are going to be excited and say "Yes". She probably didn't tell them about the new show or they believe that the only times these things can happen is IF the cameras are there. It's all they know!

She makes them believe that she has to be gone or they can't go anywhere UNLESS they are filming for the show. I'm afraid for the day that they are old enough to realize how she used and manipulated them.

impotenta said...

This is a real great post ..thank you
very much.

Ohio Buckeye said...

"There needs to be equal outrage at Wife Swap, The Duggars and all of the other reality shows that exploit children."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You have my vote!

And the Duggars are no better than any of the others - hanging the term "Christian" over your front door and on your tv persona does not make exploiting your kids and their privacy any more ethical than when nonreligious folk exploit their families.

The whole reality genre is a sad commentary on the all-time low standards of tv.


Enough is enough.

jonandkatewho? said...

My personal opinion is that children should not even be ALLOWED to be on reality shows. I mean that, in every state the laws should state that across the board. I think it is far too damaging and not worth the risks.

Barring that, which probably won't happen, sadly, I think that the CA laws should be passed in all the rest of the states. It is the best out there right now.

I'm horrified that Kate intends to put those children on tv again. I think she is nothing more than an exploiter and a famewhore and I have no respect for her whatsoever. I can only imagine how effed up those 8 children will be if she is the primary parent raising them. She can only teach them what she herself is, after all. She lacks the insight and the intelligence and the caring to teach them how to be productive members of society. They will grow up to be entitled messes who crave the camera and probably won't know why until it's too late. By that I mean that in early adolescence they may not know and therefore will seek out the same life Kate does and has, later on as adults they may question why.

I would hate to be any of those children and be sitting down one day to watch the whole mess on tape for clues as to why my life was not working out right. Look what they will see....everything out there forever on tape for the whole world to see. I would be horrified. I can't even imagine, I tell you. "my parents did this to us"...that is what they will say. "why did my mom......?" that is what will go through their confused minds. How will they ever reconcile the feelings they will have?

Don't get me wrong, I am not wishing this upon those children. I wish they could remain blissfully ignorant of what their parents and TLC have done to them. But I don't think they will.

I do think reality tv should be an adults only venture.

Joanne said...

Nothing will be done to save kids in reality because of greed. I predict something really bad or tragic is going to happen to some of the Gosselin kids.
With a "mother" like Kate, they basically have no chance, unless Jon can get them away from her and TLC. I see a major lawsuit in the future for TLC.
Kate and TLC are pure evil.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Protect 8,
You should send a letter to the State of Pennsylvania."

That would be a pretty broad address, kind of like "Santa Claus. North Pole!" The person to e-mail is tmurt@pahousegop.com
He WILL listen.

Can't See Sheep said...

I really think that federal laws will have to be made in the case of children on shows, otherwise people just go to the states who's laws are the most lax. It does need to be across the board for all 50 states. Children shouldn't be working anyway, they should be enjoying their childhood. Filming is not worth the loss of a childhood, it really isn't. It's such a small part of a person's life on this earth & should be cherished & precious. kids should be allowed to be blissfully ignorant of the hardships of the the world for awhile. It's not always possible, but for those who can it should be.

Mind you, I suspect kate & TLC would just skip across the boarder to Tijuana. Oh look the kids just happened to want a vacation in Cancun. Oh, they like living in the tropics, we're going to relocate here in a large lovely white Spanish villa.

Maybe kate thinks 8 little kids will grow up into 8 little reality shows & she'll get to star in each one! After all, look at what kind of example she's setting for them & it's likely something she'd strongly encourage. Hopefully by the time they're older they'll be sick of being filmed.

Can't See Sheep said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

"There needs to be equal outrage at Wife Swap, The Duggars and all of the other reality shows that exploit children."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You have my vote!

And the Duggars are no better than any of the others - hanging the term "Christian" over your front door and on your tv persona does not make exploiting your kids and their privacy any more ethical than when nonreligious folk exploit their families.
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Oh boy am I ever on board with this. I've said it before & I'll continue to say it, nice people DON'T exploit children. Doesn't matter what package you wrap it in, it is what it is, child exploitation, & decent people don't do that to their kids or anyone else's.

And no, I'm not ever going to think anyone involved in any of these things is nice. A lesser evil, possibly, but not nice. These adults need to make it on their own & stop putting their kids out there. If they want to minister to the masses, that's fine, but leave the kids out of it. Also, there are channels that are all religious programming all the time, why aren't they on there? In the case of the Duggars you'd think a couple of the religious channels would love the happy Christian family stuff they're selling.

Hippie Chick said...

I agree with JonandKatewho? I really think that some of those kids are going to go down a dangerous and life-threatening path by being in the public eye.
Even if not dangerous, I can foresee one of the girls getting into a Lindsay Lohan situation, getting into drugs, losing your mind, just by what Kate and Jon did. Pushing them to be on TV, and most importantly, how they are raised.
I see a couple tell-alls too. A think a few of them will slink into oblivion, just the mere embarrassment of what their mother did/said/put on TV will be enough to put them into hiding forever.
Those poor kids. Kate has no idea what she is doing to those kids right now. She is causing serious psychological damage by her words and actions. It's so sad. How can someone be so blind? I wish she would wake up and step back and realize that her kids come first. Not her so called "celebrity".(In my eyes, she is NOT one). Stop filming, be a mother, take your kids off TV, and let them have a shot a normalcy. It's what's best FOR YOUR CHILDREN!! Not her. Why can't she see that?
(Oh, and Kate is just milking this now cause she knows this gravy train is coming to a bitter end and fast. IMO)

Still Disgusted in TX said...

Halo24 said...
Octomom has more sense than Khate. She was on Oprah and asked about doing a reality show to make money. Nadiya then seems to take a few jabs at Kart...

She says that she would NEVER do a reality show, that it's "exploitative" and "robs them of their childhood and privacy." Oprah seemed surprised at the answer and then Nadiya said "it's MY responsibility to take care of THEM"

Does Nadiya obviously gets it FAR MORE than Kate in terms of using the kids for financial gain.

AND WTH is with Oprah? She seemed to think Nadia should do a reality show?? That would screw the kids up beyond repair...more so than they already will be.
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IMPORTANTL---Nadiya Suleman also told Oprah that --not only did she think it was exploiting the kids---she thought that taping he kids for a reality show was "borderline abusive." Talk about a jab at Kate! But besides that---Oprah didn't take that as an opportunity to agree with her. I can't remember if there was any applause for it either. (She was via satellite).

But she MORE than gets it! WHen she said it was her responsibility to take care of the kids, she also made a point of saying that she didn't bring them into the world to take care of her.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

A couple more random thoughts....Kate often has said that taping the show is the "kids' normal" and they don't know anything else since it's been going on since they were little. Well, it became her normal too which is why she is ignorant to the kind of person she has morphed into. And now that the kids have had months of no cameras, I wonder how much they like it over their previous "normal." They may like this new normal better (you know, no cameras in your face 24/7, or people following you into the bathroom.!). The problem with this new normal for them is that neither parent is around, and BECAUSE of their crazy parents, they will never know what it is like to live the way the rest of us do-out of the public eye.

Next random thought--I wonder if TLC changed their contracts with the Duggars and the Roloffs after the issues with the Gosselins. Those kids should each have had separate contracts and pay--with their parents or another legal guardian representing their interests. The Duggars have kids over 18, and clearly many more who are younger, but they should each have their own contract and salaries independent of their parents. Plain and simple.

There is still time for the Gosselin kids for someone to step in and sue TLC for not paying them separately. Their parents may be too stupid to have figured that out or to pursue it, but Kate should have jumped along with Jon to go after TLC to void their contracts and sue for money for the kids who should have had separate contracts and salaries as well. They would have come out so far ahead ...BUT she would have lost her free ride and chance at two new shows!

What makes them think we want to see her on one more show, much less TWO MORE shows! Especially after they've got her continuously on tv bouncing from interview to interview, reality show to reality show, etc. They're their own worst enemies and I can't wait for this ship to sink.

mama san said...

another random thought - several times it has arisen from Kate and team the idea of posing in Playboy. For the record, Hugh Hefner stated that it wouldn't happen because she is no celebrity like Kendra. I believe it was fishing for an invitation. IMO Kate would pose nude in the middle of NYC in a minute. There would be need for a jar of Vaseline to cover the lens in order to soften the Look.

Still Disgusted in TX said...

mama san said...
another random thought - several times it has arisen from Kate and team the idea of posing in Playboy. ....Hefner stated that it wouldn't happen because she is no celebrity like Kendra. I believe it was fishing for an invitation.
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I totally agree--EVERY time she or some else suggests something she should do, or would she "consider doing", it's her fishing for an invitation. She throws it out there to test the waters for any kind of interest from the powers that be. If so, her phone rings. If no favorable response, then her people don't have to risk the being embarrassed by rejection if they make the request. And finally, if there is a plan for whatever show she is pitching, and the public has a negative response, then she can quietly ditch the idea and not do it. So in her strategy, she never fails and is in demand. This is her alternative to applying for a job!

Still Disgusted in TX said...

Sorry for so many posts...one more thing to my last post about Kate's way of floating her ideas for jobs out there. The "BAchelorette" idea is a perfect example of how she does this, and so was DWTS (floated on Jay Leno). If the public jumps on this Bachelorette idea, ABC will push aside the current lady in line to do it and fed-ex Kate right back to LA. The big problem there is I don't know a single man who would line up for that game! But don't put it past ABC to hire a bunch of actors to pretend to be falling in love with her. LOL Kate would be another real life "Truman Show", except there is nothing "true" about this woman. (although I think she has the posture of and walks like a man sometimes!)....we should come up with a title for this version :)

IDModo said...

I urge everyone who reads this blog to go to the website of the PA Department of Public Welfare and read the child abuse laws in this state.This legislation is so narrowly written that just about everything we have believed to be child abuse is NOT in PA. PA law is written so that only serious or life-threatening occurrences are considered abusive. There is a statute of limitations on reporting (2 years) so long-term or cumulative effects are not addressed.Under this legislation TLC and J & K will never be held accountable for what they are doing.Reports of the things we saw would have not been investigated on the grounds that they did not fall under this very strict interpretation.Sooooo- I have written to Rep, Murt about this, but,me being Canadian, my suggestions will probably be shelved. Please read the regulations and do what you think best.

Jules said...

I am really shocked that people believe that Kate would go as far to not have accounts for her own children. I am pretty sure that Kate knows everything she has now is a result of her 8 children.
I do agree that they were filmed too much but I do not agree with an outsider having control over accounts for the 8 children. Kate would not go as far to "screw" her own children.

Elspeth said...

Well, Jules, be shocked. Kate did NOT set up accounts for those kids until she was trying to keep Jon from getting any of the $80K bonus they got from TLC. That's when she finally set up the "real and substantial accounts" for the kids. She gave them a whopping $10K each for five seasons of work. That's our lovely Katie.

Techymum said...

I am not one who pickets or gawks at stars. But I am nearly ready to make a trip to Pennsylvania with signs and march around the orphanage. Children should not work, CHildren should not support their parents. Let them have their childhood. Something.

couch potato said...

Protect 8, you need to watch Marguerite Perrin (God Warrior) on Trading Spouses. It's a classic.
They just happen to be airing it again today on Country Music TV! Or you can watch clips on the web. She's out there all over the place. This is her first swap, and she did a second swap later.
She's so wacko that even Kate seems normal compared to her.

Trading Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy: Perrin/Flisher
Original Airdate:11/02/2005Mrs. Perrin of Louisiana and Mrs. Flisher of Massachusetts trade houses and spouses.

All Upcoming Times for Perrin/Flisher
Wed
4/28
4:00-5:00pm

CMTV

To She makes me ill, watching the Gosselins on TV this summer does seem nauseating. I'll be spending the time watching something interesting on T.V.

To those who wondered, Paris Hilton of the Ozarks is the Duggar's cousin Amy, not one of the Duggar kids.

couch potato said...

About children getting scared on reality T.V. Here is Perrin (God Warrior) on Trading Spouses. I feel really sorry for her 7 year old grandchild. The sad thing is a few years later, Perrin's daughter died in an accident and Wacko Perrin is raising the grand-daughter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

I have watched both Wife Swap and Trading Spouses, and for the most part I think the families learn from each other and most of the kids benefit from the experience.

I don't know about banning kids from appearing on reality T.V. Maybe it's a way of finding wacko parents.

I do like to watch shows about rare medical conditions. I think it is somewhat therapeutic for families to give us a peek or glimpse into their lives.

Not in your face all the time like the Gosselins, but a level of understanding and compassion and learning from each other.

Perrin did change some, and she actually did a second episode on Trading Spouses.

I'm just hoping her appearances on T.V. will provide clues to her community to keep an eye out for the granddaughter of this woman.

Where is that parody of Kate Gosselin swapping with Michelle Duggar that someone did? That was so funny. I'd like to see that again.