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Would he really do this?

172 comments:

Lillie Mae Acres said...

So why can't he move and live where he wants to? He's a grown man and as long as he holds up his end of the court appointed child support and visitaion, he should be able to live wherever he wants, needs, etc. Other dad's do it all the time! Why does everyone act like he abandoned his kids?

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Jon deserves to find real love in his life. Kate was just bad news from the get-go. I hope that Jon finds a woman that will treat him right, and not abuse him.

Jane in California said...

Jon seems to often blow a lot of hot air, and maybe that's what he was doing over the week-end. Sure, he'd love to live in Utah, collect free gifts every day, and ski to his heart's content. But how realistic is his plan to actually buy a place and live there?

Further, where is Jon's source of income? What is he living on right now? I don't think he has a source of continuing income, so he must be living on savings. Eventually, that's going to run out.

The article makes it sound like Jon has moved in with his latest g/f's parents. More likely that they have a huge home (as they are wealthy) and are having him as an invited guest, as they would with any of her friends she might want to have for a visit.

The tone of the article is clearly skewed against Jon - describing him and his g/f as merrily collecting freebies at all the parties going on at Sundance, when in actuality, many people are partaking of the parties and the gifts being given out - it's part of the schmoozing process.

With the thought that talk is cheap, I'm taking a wait and see approach as to whether he actually buys a place there or not. It would be quite far from the children so I hope he doesn't do so.

However, with his travels around and new g/f, it doesn't appear that he is letting anything interfere with his time with the children, and that's all that matters. If he can live in Utah and yet be there when it's his time with the kids - who cares where he lives?

konspiracytheory said...

I hope it's not true, but to answer the question: Would he really do this? Absolutely. He appears to care about the kids more than Kate (which is not very difficult), but he doesn't come anywhere close to caring about them enough to do what's right, which in this case would be putting his life of snowboarding leisure on hold to live closer to his eight traumatized children.

itsaboutthekids said...

Yesterday the rumor was he was going to move to Washington D.C. Now it's Park City, Utah. Tomorrow it will be ?? What difference does it make and why do we care. Jon will always be there for his kids. You don't love your children like he does and then walk away. TLC can take a lot away from Jon, but they can't take away the love he has for his children...and the love they have for him.

fidosmommy said...

I highly doubt Jon is planning to move to Utah.

But just in case he does, let me go on record to tell him I think it's a stupid, selfish, poorly thought out, and ridiculous plan.
Utah may be fun, it may be beautiful, but it's a long commute to go see the kids. And that is what his top priority needs to be.

jibberjabbers said...

The problem I see is that he's moving so far away from the kids. If Kate gets her new show, who will be watching the kids?

Maybe it's only temporary? Til his contract with expires? Then he may move back when he can start working in media again?

Not sure how the both of them will do on TV but we'll have to wait and find out.

I don't blame him though. If he's broke, and a family is willing to let him crash for a few month til he get find work then good for him.

Although, I don't see why he can't move in with other family members.

Hopefully this new girl isn't a mole like Hailey was.

MickeyMcKean said...

It comes down to Jon is a divorced father who loves his kids so he will always make the time to see them.

IMO there is no difference if he drives a few hours to see them or has to fly for a few hours. His choice as to how he wants to spend his time in getting to PA.

Tami said...

I really hope he doesn't. It would show such poor judgement. I wouldn't be surprised if he did until he breaks up with this one too though. He needs to stop living through his women and just make a life back in PA. Sure "other divorced dads do it" (move far away), but he has 8 young kids, is being sucked dry of his money, is jobless, and it would be STUPID for him!

She is evil said...

All I can say is I wish him happiness. He so deserves it after suffering with Kate for so long. I have faith that he will be there for his kids no matter what. And I hope this new girlfriend is good to him and for him and the kids.

Brummygirl said...

First I will say *consider the source*. I believe very little of the printed rumours.
Secondly, as long as he still keeps his custody on track, that is his business.
I do wish though, he would keep a lower profile as this must certainly fuel Kate and we know who the recipients of her anger will be.

NeverLikedKate said...

MickeyMcKean said:

IMO there is no difference if he drives a few hours to see them or has to fly for a few hours. His choice as to how he wants to spend his time in getting to PA.

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This is okay in theory and I don't claim to know what their visitation agreement is, but:

If I were a recently divorced parent with 8 kids I would want to live close enough to go to their school plays. Or their sporting events. Or anything else that was special to my child that they might want/need me to share.

Now if their agreement says that the non-custodial parent can NOT attend events such as these, it's probably fine to live so very far away since it would just be a matter of flying to the kids in time for visitation.

If their agreement doesn't prohibit the non-custodial parent attending such functions, then it's just plain said that he would choose to live so far away as to be unavailable to his children.

Kat said...

Actually, it *might* be really good for the kids if he were to move far away, and change the custody arrangement so that he had full custody of them during the summer. Just think, three months of all Jon and no Kate every year. They might actually learn how to get their hands dirty without going into a panic attack!

And since she still has nannies and such, they wouldn't have to be with her full time during the school year, especially if she does get a show and has to travel all over. I'm sure Kate would gladly give up the bus runs if she could get her celebrity fix being photographed elsewhere (like Rodeo Dr.???).

Just think, this could be exactly what the kids need!

Gimme Gimme said...

I think Jon is very spontaneous and while he obviously would love to have a place in Utah I don't think it would ever come to fruition. He would never turn his back on his kids. No matter where he lived he would be there for his custody time and which by the way, he is not allowed to be there any other time. So if he is not taking the kids to the bus stop, it is mommie dearest who the kids can thank for that.

Jon would have never left his family. He may be a lot of other things but being a good dad is the highest order he can achieve and I think he has done that. All you have to do is look at the the "believe it or not video" if you have any doubts.

grannyoftwo said...

I could care less where Jon lives as long as he is there when his children need him...and I am not trying to be mean but does his GF's feet look very lage to anyone else...they look bigger than his in those pics...man...maybe it is her choice in shoes that make them look that way, but they really stand out to me..maybe her Dad will give Jon a good job so he can support his children...that would be a good thing to come out of all of this craziness..

Dunwoody Mom said...

These "sources" really need to keep their stories straight. Last week Jon as moving to D.C. This week to Utah?

Anna said...

Does anyone know how much time he has been with the kids since the divorce was final? It seems like he was there at Christmas but didn't stay that long as Kate had the bodyguards family over the day after? And I know he was there for a at least a few days about a week or so ago, when the weather was relatively warm (the pics of the kids without coats) and then out with Kevi. But most of the pictures of Jon in last month are not around his kids.

I only ask because it doesn't seem like he has anywhere close to 51:49 custody time. At best, it seems like 75:25. And if that is the case, the only way I can believe that happened is if Jon chose for it to be that way and agreed to it with binding arbitration. I just don't understand why he agreed to that.

SunnyDays said...

JMHO, but these stories about Jon always seem to be released when Kate is having a PR disaster…just about every time she opens her mouth!! The whole Clean Slate idea is circling the drain already, so now the stories will focus negatively on Jon for a bit so the jackals can have a feed on him and Kate can fade into the background again for damage control.

If you look back, it’s been the pattern all along. These articles always try to show Jon as a jet setting gigolo. The fact that many people buy into that just shows how good the other sides spin doctors are. In the 5 seasons they were on TV, Jon never projected that kind of personality so I find it hard to believe he turned into a shiftless, man-whore now. In turn, Kate was shown to be a lazy, whiney, controlling witch for 5 seasons and she still seems to be all of that, even now.

Laura T said...

The point of those "gift lounges" is to give out free stuff.

His only obligation is to show up when its turn for custody and to pay his child support.

How he supports himself, where he lives, any adult he is living with is really his own business.

LP said...

Kate must be livid seeing an article like this - Jon is living the "star" lifestyle that she wants. You can't just walk in off the street to collect those freebies, you have to be "someone". That being said, I think that Jon would allow the kids to be filmed again to collect his piece of the pie and let him maintain this type of lifestyle. Yes, he loves the kids, but he also loves the lifestyle they provided.

Medusa Kate said...

IMO there is no difference if he drives a few hours to see them or has to fly for a few hours. His choice as to how he wants to spend his time in getting to PA.

1/24/2010 8:51 PM
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I think I have to disagree, looking at it from the kid's perspective. They just went through a move, the young ones just started school, the parents break up, the filming is over....if all of that isn't enough to challenge any kids' stability, now their dad might be moving across the country. To me, the kids would see it as being abandoned. And if he really moves that far away, Kate will only reinforce to the kids that Jon doesn't care enough about them to live close enough to see them in a moment's notice.
Jon needs to live close to the children.

CT said...

Jon is a freeloader, that much is clear.

It's embarrassing that he's sponging off of this girl's parents. He's a grown man, he should earn his own money!

Just because Kate is detestable doesn't make Jon good by default. They're both dysfunctional and act like children, putting their own needs before the needs of their children. Grow up, Jon.

Barbara in VA said...

I think that as long as he keeps his visitation with the kids, it makes absolutely no difference whether he is down the street or out in Utah. This guy with all his many faults has gone through hell being married to probably one of the worst shrews of a wife ever. If he can find true love and someone who will respect him, good for him. As long as his obligations to the kids are met, who cares where he lives when he isn't with the kids?

chesterctymom said...

Once again Jon is being thrown under the bus to take the focus off of Khate...the issue now isn't how mean she is towards her children, but what is going on in Jon's world...

PA woman said...

itsaboutthekids said...
Yesterday the rumor was he was going to move to Washington D.C. Now it's Park City, Utah. Tomorrow it will be ?? What difference does it make and why do we care. Jon will always be there for his kids. You don't love your children like he does and then walk away. TLC can take a lot away from Jon, but they can't take away the love he has for his children...and the love they have for him.

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Exactly. I'm not sure why people here and on other sites insist he must live in PA. There really is no future for him here, in entertainment or a regular carrer. Unless maybe he moves to a bigger city like Philly or Pittsburgh. What is the difference if he flys or drives to PA anyway?? As long as he meets his obligations, that is what is important.

And, I don't necessarily expect Kate to stay with the kids in PA anyway. Don't you think if she was given an opportunity in Los Angeles, or someplace else she would jump and move??

That all being said, I doubt he is moving to Utah. He's probably taking advantage of her parents offer to stay there and will do it until the end of the ski season.

PA Woman said...

jibberjabbers said...
The problem I see is that he's moving so far away from the kids. If Kate gets her new show, who will be watching the kids?

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So nothing has changed...Kate expects Jon to stay home and take care of the kids while she travels the country working. And we expect jon to get a "regular job" while this continues??

MaryB said...

On the bright side (if there is one) is that Jon is not flaunting this relationship.
He is keeping a lower profile.
Jon is the kind of person who needs someone to love him. Hopefully this girl is mature enough and smart enough to see him for who he really is.
Her parents surely are very intelligent people and hopefully are very protective of their daughter.
Perhaps her father can be the father figure he so desperately needs.
He appears broke so could be lending him a place to live or their daughter has her own place where he can stay.
Her dad could give him a real job and or back him in his own show.
If it keeps him temporarily out of the limelight and partying in NYC then this could be a good thing.
If he could get back to a somewhat normal life where he can be with his children and stop all the partying it will be better for the kids.

Dunwoody Mom said...

I'd love to know where Kate goes when it's Jon's time with the kids. I wonder why the paps never seem to "find" Kate during her non-custody days.

LP said...

Anna said...
Does anyone know how much time he has been with the kids since the divorce was final?
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The reason we don't see Jon's time with the kids is because no one is calling the paps to photograph it whereas Kate's team is calling to show her so that it seems she's always with them.

Gimme Gimme said...

I agree Brummy girl. If it is on Radar is a smoke screen for mommie dearest mashing Colin's mouth at the bus stop, and by the look on his face he was anticipating what was about to happen so that wasn't her first go around. No wonder poor Jon had to wear a T-shirt that said Lies, Lies, Lies. He is a soft target now since he cannot speak for himself.

DC Slug said...

Like others, I also question Jon's income. He sure does travel alot with his girlfriend of the moment and that can't be cheap. I live in DC and he and Morgan were here a couple of weeks ago(not sure why) and were seen going in and out of some of the finer establishments. I know he was also seen not too long ago in Hawaii,Beverly Hills and other nice locales. I wonder if establishments are paying for him to show up at their places (similiar to those kids from the "Jersey Shore" reality show getting paid 10K to 20K to party at different clubs). If his travel is not free and he is not being paid by TLC than he definitely must manage his money better than people think and have a lot more of it than he initally let on.

JaxMom said...

I thought Jon bought a place in Utah a year ago?

http://www.parkrecord.com/sports/ci_11445037

I would be surprised if he moved that far away from his kids permanently.

Doug said...

Wasn't there an episode where Jon took Cara to the Canyons resort and it was stated that the Gosselins had bought a condo there? Was is just a time share?

iheartmyhubby said...

We are only hearing about Jon moving and about his new girlfriend because Kate's PR team is hoping that it takes heat off of her horrid bird's nest of a hairdo.

So what if Jon moves? He can't see his kids unless it's his turn. It's not like Kate just calls him up during her time and says, "Hey Jon! Can you stop over for a bit so the kids can see you?"

my9cats said...

I could have sworn Jon said in an interview a couple of years ago in Park City he had purchased a condo. This man is very confusing as to what is the truth and what is wishful thinking--if I say it long enough it will come true. Oh wait! This is a lesson learned at the feet of Kate.

PA Woman said...

I would be surprised if he moved that far away from his kids permanently.

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Here is the quote from the article, it says he will be buying a condo. I've never seen confirmation that he actually did (I asked this same question last week and no one provided a link confirming purchase). Since it wasn't listed as a asset in the divorce papers, I don't see how they could own one. Here is the quote:

"With the TLC film crew in tow, Gosselin and Cara headed back to The Canyons. When it was time for Cara to head back to school, Gosselin made the decision to stay a few days and make a more permanent mark on the area. He will be purchasing a condo within The Canyons village to give his family a little home away from home in Utah. Well, at least Jon and Cara, that is. Gosselin's wife, Kate, is an admitted indoors type and he figures she won't be in on too many ski vacations.
"I'm looking for a father-daughter place," Gosselin said.
Gosselin says the plan is to have a place to visit each winter and to continue riding on a regular basis. He says that he really enjoys Park City and the Canyons, and even in his 30s, he says that he fits right in with the young crowd on the mountain."

So he was staying on to look at condos. Doesn't mean he found one and actually purchased it. Remember Kate held the purse strings back then and may well have nixed the idea. I listened to the interview with the local news station and he says the same thing. That he is staying on longer to look and condos and plans to buy one. I have found no interviews after the fact where he says yes, I found a condo and purchased it. If there is such an article, please post.

N.E. Psychologist said...

chesterctymom said:
Once again Jon is being thrown under the bus to take the focus off of Khate...the issue now isn't how mean she is towards her children, but what is going on in Jon's world...
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BINGO!
And, as someone else said recently, what kind of a mom needs a pr machine to amke her look good?

JMHO said...

I think that we're seeing all the stories about Jon now because as others have mentioned we have to move the attention away from kHate's treatment of Collin. Her PR team is letting everyone know where Jon is so that pictures can be taken. JMHO.

PA Woman said...

my9cats said...
I could have sworn Jon said in an interview a couple of years ago in Park City he had purchased a condo. This man is very confusing as to what is the truth and what is wishful thinking--if I say it long enough it will come true. Oh wait! This is a lesson learned at the feet of Kate.

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I have been planning on buying a vacation property for the last 12 years and have a couple of locations picked out. That doesn't mean that I have found the right property for the right price. So even though I have had "plans" and have looked every year, that doesn't mean I've acted on them. Jon may be looking for that right piece of property. (My purchase was complicated by the swift rise in prices in the early 2000's. I was defeated by the housing bubble!). My brother/sister-in-law spent 5 years looking in as many states before they purchased!

Brummygirl said...

@P.A. Woman:
Thank you for finding the quote. Even if he wanted one, I doubt very much that he could afford it. Just another Jon bashing scenario.
We would not have to hear about any of his escapades if he had just played it low key right from the beginning. He is his own worst enemy!!(apart from the Witch of P.A.)

just wondering said...

I stopped sticking up for Jon when he was spouting off about how "marketable" his kids were way back in 2008.

I firmly believe that Jon is a greedy grifter who will follow the money wherever it leads him.

He's not as narcissistic as Kate, but he's every bit as greedy and filled with self entitlement. They both suck as parents.

Ohio Buckeye said...

For any who were concerned about Jon's financial situation, by all outward signs, Jon-boy seems to be doing ok.

The amount of child support ordered, his ongoing lifestyle choices ($$$), and his not seeming to be in any hurry to become gainfully employed in a REAL job again says to me that his bank account must be in far better shape than my own!

jibberjabbers said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

For any who were concerned about Jon's financial situation, by all outward signs, Jon-boy seems to be doing ok.

The amount of child support ordered, his ongoing lifestyle choices ($$$), and his not seeming to be in any hurry to become gainfully employed in a REAL job again says to me that his bank account must be in far better shape than my own!

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Or, if he was forced to pay 10k a month, why even bother looking for a job?

Who's willing to pay Jon $62.50 an hour?

The only way he can make that payment is by making easy money thru the media. But TLC put a stop to that.

Lets say Jon does find some IT work. You think they're going to pay him 62/hr?

Good luck with that.

Even when his contract expires with TLC and Jon is able to work in the media, I don't think anyone is going to have a job for him. J&K 15's mins were up last Month.

The fact that TLC keeps trying to shove Kate out there to keep her "relevant" is just sad.

PA Woman said...

Brummygirl said...
@P.A. Woman:
Thank you for finding the quote. Even if he wanted one, I doubt very much that he could afford it. Just another Jon bashing scenario.
We would not have to hear about any of his escapades if he had just played it low key right from the beginning. He is his own worst enemy!!(apart from the Witch of P.A.)

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Well, remember back when Jon moved to NYC and article said he moved into a condo worth $X Million? It was repeated in several articles and the vast majority assumed he purchased it for that price. The article never said that, just that that was the value. We all know now he rented the place and didn't purchase it. The way the press words things, you need to read between the lines!

PA Woman said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
For any who were concerned about Jon's financial situation, by all outward signs, Jon-boy seems to be doing ok.

The amount of child support ordered, his ongoing lifestyle choices ($$$), and his not seeming to be in any hurry to become gainfully employed in a REAL job again says to me that his bank account must be in far better shape than my own!

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I wondering if he had money invested from his father that Kate couldn't get her hands on. Don't know. Just a guess.

Ohio Buckeye said...

JibberJabbers, I assume the child support amount was based on whatever Jon's current income is, at least on paper/contract. If/when his income dwindles, child support can always be renegotiated downward - can't get blood from a turnip.

A wise man would be planning ahead.

I'll take my cues from him - he seems not overly concerned about his financial status...

Hey, where do I find the great piece you put together? Sounds like you did a masterful job!

jibberjabbers said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

JibberJabbers, I assume the child support amount was based on whatever Jon's current income is, at least on paper/contract. If/when his income dwindles, child support can always be renegotiated downward - can't get blood from a turnip.

A wise man would be planning ahead.

I'll take my cues from him - he seems not overly concerned about his financial status...
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His current income is zero. His current assets. Don't know.

But like I said, maybe he's just waiting for his TLC contract to expire then maybe he can find work in the media later..

There is no way Jon can find a good paying job outside the media.

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Hey, where do I find the great piece you put together? Sounds like you did a masterful job!
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google jon gosselin - believe it or not

fidosmommy said...

I hope Jon's not like my brother in law. He inherited a nice, nice nest egg and went out and bought a new house (bigger than he needed),
a new Cadillac, a new truck, and suddenly got very expensive taste in restaurants and hotels. He's telling us all that he doesn't know how he's going to make it anymore. Business is off,
he's not getting any interest off
his inheritance (which would be because he's spent it down).

It's so easy to think because you have $X00,000 or whatever today that you will always have $X00,000even if you spend like a fool.

You would think most adults could
figure out that spending money is like doing subtraction. Your remainder is always LESS than your
original number.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@JibberJabbers: "...There is no way Jon can find a good paying job outside the media."

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Then things are looking bleak for him, because as far as I can tell, he has no real talent for showbiz.

Katie better be looking up a good real estate agent because if you are right, I see no way for HER to afford the mansion either.

Neither Jon nor Kate seem to have any real talent for showbiz, yet they both seem hellbent on continuing to pursue this avenue.

I dunno, but I wouldn't bet the farm on either one of them being successful long term in media world.

Two words for them: Downsize now.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction for your piece. I appreciate it. Will look for it 2night.

readerlady said...

Re Jon and finances - I've often wondered if maybe Jon has a trust fund somewhere that Khate couldn't get her mitts on. Is it possible that his dad set up trust funds for him and the kids, or just him, at some point before his death? Jon certainly doesn't seem to be hurting for the $$$.

Re IT pay - one of my best friends is an independent contractor IT specialist. She makes $125 an hour, so it is entirely within the realm of possibility for Jon to make in excess of $60/hr. working in IT. Of course, that's assuming he's kept up his skills, or takes classes to update them.

I can't see Jon permanently moving to Utah and being that far from his kids all the time. He's far too involved as a father for that.

Go home Jon said...

I believe they already own a condo in Park City, do they not?

And Lillie, the reason he should not do this, is because he has 8 kids who never asked to be born, but who were purposefully brought into this world, and then used by their parents to make said parents rich; children who have had every aspect of their lives exploited for their parent's financial benefit---to include even their basest bodily functions; having their excrement photographed and their constipation filmed.... No humiliation was too large or small to be exploited for money....and Jon OWES those 8 little souls!

He has a duty and obligation to those 8 children, to be a father to them. A father does not live hours away from them, but is on hand to raise them, teach them guide them and love them. A father is there for every school function, every holiday, every bike crash. He is there. He is there to advise them when kids are mean to them; push them when they are scared to try something new; he is there to discipline them when they do something wrong, and he is there to encourage and love them just because they exist.

A sperm donor lives in Utah while the "results of insemination" live in Pennsylvania---not a daddy. A Daddy is there for the kids, and doesn't put his own greed and happiness before the children he selfishly brought into this world.

Laura T said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
For any who were concerned about Jon's financial situation, by all outward signs, Jon-boy seems to be doing ok
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Well said.

We have NO idea
-how much he got from his dad.
-how much J and K got in gift cards/donations from their community and later from around the world when they started the show
-how much they got from begging in churches
-from kmart/walmart
-from deals with magazines (think fo the # of covers they were on), phtographers, paparazzi, appearances.) etc

we DO know how heavily subsidised thier lives were when they had the show- kids clothes, toys, meals, gas, trips,hair cuts, dentists, yard and house maintenance,product endoresment etc etc.

Im sure they are both very comfortable. I won't worry for either of them.

Ohio Buckeye said...

JibberJabbers, Just found your piece - WOW, you blow me away! What great creativity!!! You are very talented! My hat is off to you! Thanks for sharing.

Laura T said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
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Neither Jon nor Kate seem to have any real talent for showbiz, yet they both seem hellbent on continuing to pursue this avenue.
o words for them: Downsize now"
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Excellent advice to anyone especially in these times.

I really have to wonder what tlc and managers/lawyers have said to these two that makes them both feel that they are media stars!

I hope one day they they realise how they allowed themselves ( and their children) to be manipulated by tlc and tlc's cash.

They both CAN go quiety away and live thier lives and take care of their kids, yet they both seem to want to recapture the limelight.

Laura T said...

Re IT pay - one of my best friends is an independent contractor IT specialist. She makes $125 an hour, so it is entirely within the realm of possibility for Jon to make in excess of $60/hr. working in IT. Of course, that's assuming he's kept up his skills, or takes classes to update them.
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Jon's IT job came after the tups were born and he was given a job by the state.
He has been called a specialist or Engineer but I dont think he has the necessary qualifications.

It would be wonderful if he went back to school. I think it would help with his self esteem, how he is viewed by other etc.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@LauraT: I've wondered that very thing: what exactly is the hook TLC offers, say, to K8 in particular, to keep her salivating and willing to jump through any hoop of fire they produce just in the HOPES of nailing that next 15 minutes o' fame?

That she will be loved and admired by all for being such a wise and loving mother? One who, against all odds, singlehandedly keeps 8 kids in line with 'love' (NO markers! NO rolling down grassy slopes! NO melting ice cream!!!) and 'guidance' (BiG Wooden Spoon). That finally the world will give her the attention and respect she's deserved all her life but never felt she received?

I can only guess, but whatever hook they toss her, they have her number and it works. They have found a way to play into her narcissism.

For Jon, I dunno. Initially I gave him lots of credit when he implied he wanted out of the spotlight, but then he shot all credibility by signing on for another season of J&K+8, and even now seems to be searching for any showbiz door to get his foot into - Vegas partying, hanging with Lohan - none of it makes any sense to me, but what do I know? I have no idea on what basis he holds onto the expectation or even hope that he will succeed in showbiz. Where's the talent? Not seeing it.

I wonder if what others here have said is correct, that once all the legal wrangling with Jon is over, that TLC will cut K8 lose like a bag of yesterday's garbage?

Don't really know, but the two of them seem less than wise by continuing to live high on the hog though their future earning potential allowing their current lifestyle seems questionable at best.

I'm very glad not to be walking in their hooker heels and ski boots.

Mabel D. said...

Sandra Bernhard gave them a word of warning a while back when it looked like Kate had a shot at the Paula Deen show, while Bernhard, a pro who'd earned her chops, had been seeking such a opportunity. "Don't get used to the lifestyle. You haven't earned it."

PaMa said...

what exactly is the hook TLC offers, say, to K8 in particular, to keep her salivating and willing to jump through any hoop of fire they produce just in the HOPES of nailing that next 15 minutes o' fame?
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I don't think there is a hook. Kate just knows that hooking her wagon to the TLC star is her only option. It's her only hope of keeping in the spotlight she so desparately craves and earning the money she desparately needs to maintain the lifestyle and all the perks that she has grown accustomed to.

Her other option??? Fade into obcurity ... and that surely will be her undoing.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Jon was quoted as saying, "We made (slightly) over a million last year." He still gets paid by TLC, as does Miss Media Ho.
Obviously, child support was based on that (soon to be nonexistent) income.

Doubt his father left him kazillions..........plus I'm rather certain Khate would have gotten her grubby/greedy claws into his inheritance.

Big ticket item is the upkeep of the new pad........groundskeeping of a property of that size is a BIG expense. One could often seen a guy working in the background before the show went off the air. They were so very foolish knowing their relationship was in the toilet to incur such an expensive contract. The same large house on a less grand piece of property would have been a much more sensible purchase. Surely, TLC knew a divorce/split was in the offing. After all, their "people" were in attendance day after day.
Jon is clearly blowing the last remains of his TLC contract. In a couple of months he will ask, "How are you going to get blood from a turnip?"
Back to court Miss Media Ho/TLC!

TheWorld said...

Good and take your ex-wife and 8 kids with you.

dustilies said...

@ Ohio Buckeye, 1/25/2010 6:02 PM

Thank you for your wisdom and healthy perspective on the Gosselin catastrophe. Today, and so many days in the past, I think, "that woman has it nailed." And I mean in a more cosmic sense than the whole Gosselin thing.

balujan26 said...

I think it's true, good picture. Thanks!

photos said...

Dunwoody Mom said...

I'd love to know where Kate goes when it's Jon's time with the kids. I wonder why the paps never seem to "find" Kate during her non-custody days.
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EXACTLY!
Kate is probably out boozing it up with her married body guard but no paps are ever around to see it.

soon said...

You know what? I can't WAIT for the day that TLC cans Kate and then all media will STOP protecting Kate and start attacking her. I can't wait. I am so sick and tired of every stupid network backing her and putting down Jon. Honestly it is the craziest thing I've ever seen. TLC is PURE EVIL. And Kate will get a taste of that evil when they finally fire her. They won't be her buddy anymore and they won't protect her anymore either.

Penny said...

Don't know if this is true about Jon or not. I'm leaning towards it not being true, not because I think Jon is a great father, but because I think the media is trying to divert bad attention away from Kate.

That being said, I am absolutly amazed at how selfish both of these parents are. Because I was young and stupid and thought I was in love I got pregnant when I was 16 years old. From the moment I found out I was pregnant I no longer lived for myself.

I now have 2 kids (the oldest getting ready to turn 19) and I make every life decision based upon how it will effect them, not based on my feelings at the moment.

I just don't get it. You have 8 beautiful, healthy children. You've accumulated enough wealth that if you invest wisely and get a decent job your kids will be fine financially. All you have to do is put your kids first and fade into the background and let them live a normal life.

lifeoriley said...

Re: Ohio Buckeye
Well said. I think that both Kate and Jon have become addicted to the "celebrity lifestyle" and are loathe to face their "reality." They have no talent. They are not really likeable or sympathetic (well, Jon WAS, when he was married to the shrew and it looked like he wanted a life out of the spotlight). Now, the only edge I give Jon over Kate is that he seems to be the more affectionate parent and of course, he stopped filming of the children.
It's not that Jon has a girlfriend--it's that he has yet ANOTHER one in such a short period of time, and they seem to be looking for publicity and freebies at the Sundance Film Festival. First, he moved to NYC for Hailey, and now, it's rumored DC or Utah for Morgan. Immature, IMO. The children come first, and Jon should have a permanent residence nearby. Flying is not the same as driving. There are airport security, delays and flight schedules to consider as well as the cost.
Jon can go where he wants on his non-custody days--he is a "free" man. However, he should have a primary residence close to his kids, IMO. I hope this is all just rumors.
Also, where DOES Kate go on her non-custody days and why do paps never seem to be able to find her then? Hmmmm...

GoPoshGo said...

N.E. Psychologist said...
chesterctymom said:
Once again Jon is being thrown under the bus to take the focus off of Khate...
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BINGO!
And, as someone else said recently, what kind of a mom needs a pr machine to amke her look good?

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What I find curious is how the media and Kate's PR team can only seem to make her look good *in comparison* to Jon. There's never a stand-alone story about how great Kate is as a mom, person, talent, celebrity, etc. ... Instead, stories are published that paint Jon in the worst light possible, with the implication that Kate is the better parent by contrast. Jon may be a dumb-ass at times with his choices, but I wish they'd stop using and abusing him just to make Kate look good simply because she can't do it on her merits.

kejojo said...

As a single* mother of 4 children whose father lives in another state, I assure you it is devastating to children when their father lives too far away to be an active participant in their day to day lives.

IF it's true that Jon can't have any interaction with the children during Satan-I-mean-Kate's parenting time, then I guess it doesn't matter as much, but my personal opinion is that it is damaging to children's psychological well being to have their father living thousands of miles away.

*I refer to myself as a single mother even though I receive child support because it is humiliating to me to refer to myself as a divorced mother. The divorce was not my idea and I'm still embarrassed by it. I've seen opinions on here that you shouldn't be considered a single mother unless you are doing everything 100% yourself which is why I am explaining myself.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Dustilites 6:02: THANK YOU!!! Your kind words mean alot to me.

BTW, I always enjoy your posts, too!

Thanks for making my day!

Lauren said...

There have been RUMORS that Jon owns a condo in Utah. Has that been CONFIRMED?

Pa Mom Knows said...

"First, he moved to NYC for Hailey, and now, it's rumored DC or Utah for Morgan. Immature, IMO."

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I thought he moved to NYC because his "work" was there. What is the timeline? Was the move to NYC pre-Hailey?

Pa Mom Knows said...

"I just don't get it. You have 8 beautiful, healthy children. You've accumulated enough wealth that if you invest wisely and get a decent job your kids will be fine financially. All you have to do is put your kids first and fade into the background and let them live a normal life."

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It's called narcissism. It's just not possible.

jibberjabbers said...

Why is Jon still all over the news? Isn't there a gag order placed on him?

Is Jon that more interesting than Kate? That even though he should be out of the media, people are still trying to find dirt on him.

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The best thing Jon can do is move closer to the kids, but if he's broke, then I see no problem moving in "temporarily" until the contract with TLC is over and done with and he can move on with his life.

Remember, Jon has been out of work for a least 2-3 years. He needs one hell of a good excuse to explain that 2-3 year gap.

Staying home to watch the kids might be a good excuse, but what has he done to remain "current" with technologies and software..

stopthemadness said...

Kate's relationship with TLC reminds me of a friend of mine who said (she was really thin, wasn't into food) "I don't care whether I eat or not, I only eat to stay alive - When I found out that I could use food to motivate my kids, I just went ahead and did it -if they will clean up toys for a cookie, go for it." I think TLC found that Kate is motivated by greed, freebies and attention and it's very easy to motivate her.
Knowing how to motivate her also gives them control. If they can get her sucked into a big fancy expensive house (working her greed and ostentation gland) and can also sign her to an exclusive contract, she HAS to work, and she has to work only for them. They made millions off the show she made a million and had to split that with Jon. I THINK that might be what Jon may have been hinting at when he said to Kate as he supposedly did, or said to the media that he had told Kate "get a clue, we are the 2nd and 5th most popular people in the world" - ie., they are not doing us a favor, we are doing them one. Those cookies they are dangling over your head belong to us, they are from our celebrity and we could be making a lot more and doing more fun stuff than filming Colin's constipation. I think he wanted out of the TLC contract and Kate did not, without Jon one less person for her to compete with for the limelight and also, knowing her abusive personality, all the times she "looked bad" were his fault because he "wasn't helping her" control her insanity. She was the greedy monkey with her hand stuck in the jar - can't take her hand out and reach for bigger and better things without losing the nuts she has hold of, and THAT, she cannot do, because she's the STAR of Jon and Kate plus 8!! She knows deep down she hasn't earned this. But the sick relationship between TLC and Kate feels familiar to her.

Don't Be Selfish, Jon! said...

konspiracytheory said...
I hope it's not true, but to answer the question: Would he really do this? Absolutely. He appears to care about the kids more than Kate (which is not very difficult), but he doesn't come anywhere close to caring about them enough to do what's right, which in this case would be putting his life of snowboarding leisure on hold to live closer to his eight traumatized children.
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I agree. I keep thinking, "priorities, priorities, priorities." I'm all for healing from a break-up and taking care of yourself as a still-young, single guy, but it's a bit different when you're a single guy who happens to be a FATHER of several small children. You make a choice to be a parent...you gotta take responsibility. YOU are no longer first in everything, THEY are. Become an absentee parent with inconsistent presence in their daily lives, and expect them to not forget it.

Gotta Put It On Pause Sometimes said...

justwondering said (snipped), "He's not as narcissistic as Kate, but he's every bit as greedy and filled with self entitlement."
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You know...you're absolutely right. I've fought against coming to the same conclusion about Jon, because he could be likeable and his interaction with the kids was better most of the time but, if he wasn't greedy in the early days of the reality show, he became so as time went by.

Both of them are indeed disappointing as parents...most of us know what good parenting looks like or feels like and this isn't it. I dunno...something happened...maybe just too many kids all the same age to where it was too distracting and time-consuming and tiring. But somewhere in there, two parents lost sight of what was important and also a little thing called DUTY to one's family. And that means every individual kid.

Especially when the tups were younger, Jon and Kate appeared to be so caught up in getting eight kids fed, dressed and out the door (or back in the door), they forgot to smell the roses in the coming and going between the doors. I've got a reverse problem with care of an elderly parent. I am so busy with the schedule, the appointments and the chauffeuring, I forget that I've got a mama in there who deserves as much attention as her laundry.

A Fragile, Precious Time said...

kejojo said...
As a single* mother of 4 children whose father lives in another state, I assure you it is devastating to children when their father lives too far away to be an active participant in their day to day lives.

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Oh, I agree Kejojo. I've got it in my family, many times over as it seems like every cousin I have is divorced, and the worst is when travel arrangements get messed up because of personal schedules or weather, etc. The kids almost don't recover from the disappointment. They just don't understand. They think Daddy doesn't love them. Although kids can take a lot, as much as you try to rationalize or explain "Dad can't come" or "it's not going to work out for you to go this time," they're wounded and they lose trust. Children can be amazingly resilient but they have long memories and these are the years when their life experiences are quite indelible on fresh, vulnerable, impressionable, young brains.

Irene said...

A weasel of a man has to do what a weasel of a man has to do.

It will be bad for the kids, BUT, Kate is responsible. Tlc & her could drive anyone to move as far as possible. Heck, I would not have given the woman all those kids let alone 10 years of my life. What a fools fool.

MickeyMcKean said...

I just read the UTAH CONTINUED link on this thread and I swear my mouth dropped open when I read that Jon is acting like a diva in Sundance, they he is demanding star treatment including a security escort when there are real stars in the same room who do not need security, and he is making sure that the paparazzi see him and take photos. WTH?

Since when does Jon think he can act like an A-lister? Seriously, to the point of being called a diva?

I can understand Jon showing up with his gf and getting the freebies, and I can see where he would be sure to be available for photos with the paparazzi.

But what has Jon done to demand and receive this kind of treatment when real celebrities are there in the same room who are NOT demanding security?

Talk about looking like a fool.

So I am now inclined to believe that Jon is believing his own press releases and thinks that he is another Brad Pitt (perhaps in Jon's mind he is better since he has 2 more kids than Mr. Pitt.)

Then I find the following article and when you take the story out of Sundance ... I agree, Jon is nothing more than a punch line to a joke. The people in the industry all know it, the general public know it ... everyone it seems but Jon.

exclusive-industry-pro-on-jon-gosselins-hollywood-career-chances-hes-the-punch-line-to-a-joke-kate-gosselin-brad-pitt-sundance

MickeyMcKean said...

Oops I messed up the link noted above. It was found here:

http://www.hollywoodlife.com/

Brummygirl said...

I do agree with a lot of the comments regarding Jon but this is all conjecture about him moving to Utah! It is only the tabloids the gossip mongers and liars, who are saying this.
That said, if Jon did move closer to the children, what would he do, stand outside the gate waiting for Kate to let him in to see the children?
Both Jon and Kate are guilty of putting themselves before the family they chose to have, but I cannot help but put the blame at Kate's door for shoving him out of her life when he would not acquiesce to all her dictations.
In a way, Kate did the children a favour by doing this otherwise if Jon had stayed and did everything Kate wanted, those children would still be filming, so it came back to bite her.
I fear we are hoping for a miracle for any normality for the eight.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Mickey McKean said
Then I find the following article and when you take the story out of Sundance ... I agree, Jon is nothing more than a punch line to a joke. The people in the industry all know it, the general public know it ... everyone it seems but Jon.
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I'm not disagreeing but please consider the source. It's impossible to know what's real when tlc has effectively shut Jon down.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Brummygirl said
I fear we are hoping for a miracle for any normality for the eight.
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Me too. But I'm hoping anyway.

MickeyMcKean said...

To: N.E. Psychologist

Re: I'm not disagreeing but please consider the source. It's impossible to know what's real when tlc has effectively shut Jon down.


My understanding is that TLC has a gag order in place on Jon wherein he is not allowed to TALK to media.

Jon is, however, allowed to go to Utah, stay with his new gf's family, go snowboarding, and if Jon attends Sundance and is spotted there by paparazzi and his photos are taken -- I don't think he is violating the gag order.

Now if the gag order also states that Jon cannot attend any events where there are other celebrities in attendence ... well then IMO Jon is being a fool in pushing this issue with TLC.

Rest assured that I definitely "consider the source" on any and all info found on ROL because I know TLC has ROL in its back pocket. I do not know, however, about the other media sources and in the two articles that I discussed above, one was on Fox News and the other was on HollywoodLife.

My point in posting today was to say that I was surprised to read that perhaps Jon now craves the attention as much as Kate. This is a surprise to me because I remember Jon saying at the end of season 4 how he wanted to go back to being a private citizen not just "Jon of J&K+8". It appears that something has changed, and I wonder who, what and when.

But I really don't care if Jon and Kate want to try to continue being "stars" (for lack of another term) as long as the cameras are kept off the kids.

My personal opinion is that after last year's flooding of magazine covers of the nasty divorce and he said/she said, that the public is sick and tired of All Things Gosselin. Also, IF either or both want to continue to exploit the kids on TV that it will seriously backfire on them. The public, even the ones that never saw the show, now know they would rather live off the backs of their kids versus going out and getting real jobs like the rest of us and that would generate a lot of negative PR.

JMO

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

DUH, spring comes, snow melts...

What happens then, Jon?

Momof2 said...

I wonder how many years will go by before BOTH Jon and Kate realize they are both jokers in the eyes of their "fans"? They are so jaded...they truly don't get it. EVERY time I hear them being talked about on morning talk shows or prime time shows it is with such disdain.

Can't See Sheep said...

Jon needs to grow up & stop being so silly. It's sounding like he's believing his own press. This is nonsense & its time to grow up, not time to play diva. He isn't who he seems to think he is, stop being so smarmy.

Why is it the moment he travels somewhere ROL posts it as though he's contemplating a move to that place? these people really need to get a grip, I'm surprised they don't follow him to the men's room. All they're doing is trying to keep people from continuing to bash kate over what she did to Colin, trying to manipulate the populace's attention & unfortunately usually succeeding. I mean she did something horrible we could all see, Jon's move is still little more than speculation.

Margaret said...

My point in posting today was to say that I was surprised to read that perhaps Jon now craves the attention as much as Kate. This is a surprise to me because I remember Jon saying at the end of season 4 how he wanted to go back to being a private citizen not just "Jon of J&K+8". It appears that something has changed, and I wonder who, what and when.
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Jon probably realized being a private citizen meant working for a living on a small paycheque, versus being a professional layabout with huge payouts from the tabloids.

His history has shown he doesn't like holding down a job, even when that job meant the livelihood of his family. He's selfish.

If he'd just intentionally sunk into obscurity and got a boring run-of-the-mill IT job and made some child support payments, he might be deserving of some respect. Instead he's spending money he doesn't have, doing no work but expecting star treatment, and living far away from his kids (not to mention talking about how he "lost" his 20s to fatherhood in every tab he's talked to... must make the kids feel special).

Gimme Gimme said...

Is Jon the only one at Sundance getting freebies? No. These events are all about freebies. Even the most wealthy of people like to get freebies. That is why they have them there.

Does Jon need security? Yes. He has a lot of haters thanks to sites like BM and ROL.

Is he a celebrity? Yes, he had a very successful reality show for 5 years with huge ratings that canned after he left.

Does he have talent? No, name one reality show star that does (besides Tori and Dean).

Would TLC have been better off to dump Khate and keep Jon?

Would people watch Jon+8-Khate? Yes. He is spontaneous, loving and kind and the kids light up when they are with him as opposed to shutting down when they are with their mommie.

Does TLC regret this? IMO, yes. I think it is clear that their sweetheart did not become the breakout star she had convinced them she could be.

Do they (TLC/Khate) condone the spread of venon against Jon as a result? IMO, yes, a sign of desperation on their part.

Did Jon want a divorce? No. He was cast aside when they thought he was no longer needed.

Should he sit in his apartment behind closed blinds until his custody time? No. No other man on earth would be expected to do this.

Am I interviewing myself? Yes. I learned from a master.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Mickey McKean said (snipped)
Also, IF either or both want to continue to exploit the kids on TV that it will seriously backfire on them.
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I really hope they don't, but if they do, I SO hope that you are right.

SafetyTrain said...

Brummygirl said.....
That said, if Jon did move closer to the children, what would he do, stand outside the gate waiting for Kate to let him in to see the children?

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No, but to kids its a comfort to know that the non-primary care-giving parent is close by. Kids are incredibly sensitive, they take things very very personally and often blame themselves for their parents actions. Adults often forget that. If Jon moves halfway across they may believe that they're just a "hassle" to him now because he voluntarily put so much distance between them. He couldn't even use a job or family obligations as an excuse to be that far away. He'd be going there to essentially party, snowboard, be with his girlfriend of the week. No, he should definitely be living as close to them as he can for THEIR emotional well-being, not his. And he may not have custody everyday but he is still legally entitled to see them in school functions, go to their doctor's appointments on his non-custody days. He should live close enough to do those things because him being there "when he doesn't have too" will be further reassurance to the kids that he still loves them. He can go recover his lost youth in another 13 years.

Laura T said...

I think if Jon lived very close to the mansion he would find himself sucked back into his old life of being at Kates beck and call.

Any refuasal on his part (to help her with her share of responsibility) and he would be accused of not being there for his kids.

DUH said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...
DUH, spring comes, snow melts...
What happens then, Jon?"


DUH It depends where the next girlfriend lives!

kate is a cocky bitch said...

I just visited the link, Utah Continued, and I am not surprised. It's been my experience that real celebrities, those who have talent and those who worked hard for what they have are very down-to-earth. Who ever is giving Jon advice is steering him down a very slippery slope because if he acts like this no one will want to watch him if he ever is on TV again.

Brummygirl said...

@Safety Train:
I understand all that about children of divorce and agree with you, it would be better for him to live nearer but I am saying that wherever he lives, Kate will only allow him to see them on the time allotted unless it suits her.
I reiterate, this is all conjecture about him living in Utah!! Who knows what his final plans will be once everything is over re court cases etc.
He is not a star even though he thinks he is, so I doubt very much whether he will obtain a job in the media. He is not verbally confident, nor is Kate unless she has her favourite camera man handy.
Either way, the children must already feel abandoned by both of them emotionally when they see their parents choose to be anywhere but home.
It's a no win situation for those children.

Drama Queen said...

I've never in my life seen two people with so many children do as little actual parenting as Jon and Kate. Think about all the Me time they take, and then divide the remaining time up among 8 children who are acting out and need counseling.

If he moves far away from his children, he's not going to see them much. That's just the reality. Few people keep up the pace of flying back forth every single month, and Jon's money will eventually run out since he's mostly unemployable and lacking in any talent.

PA Woman said...

No, he should definitely be living as close to them as he can for THEIR emotional well-being, not his.
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Bur his emotional well-being does impact the kids. It may not be good for his emotional stability to be in the "neighborhood" and have to go back to putting up with Kate's demands on a daily basis. If his confrontations with Kate, effects him, it may also effect his capability to be there for his kids.

itsaboutthekids said...

I agree, PA Woman. We should wait and see what happens before hanging Jon. I wouldn't rely on tabloids and even legit press who are quoting tabloids.

As a comparison for Jon's behavior, Bob Saget was mentioned in the Fox News piece as drinking a beer and mingling with the regular folks, suggesting he was being an all around nice guy. Interestingly enough, it was reported a few days ago that Bob Saget pushed a cameraman away and said he didn't want his picture taken. Evidentally he was drunk and didn't want to be photographed that way. It was reported he did seek out the photographer and aplolgized.

I like Bob Saget and could really care less if he was drunk OR shoved a photographer. My point being, in the same article that Jon's being ripped for his existence, Saget is played as "what a great guy".

Reporting, and especially tabloid reporting, is all based on the prejudices of the reporter and the publication and what's going to sell. It has little to do with the unbiased truth.

lifeoriley said...

Re: PA Mom Knows
I don't know exactly why Jon moved to NYC, but he met Hailey during her spring break from school and was "seeing" her by Memorial Day, 2009--the pics/video of them in a Newburgh, NY bar were on the internet. Then, it was reported in late June that Jon was moving to NYC. He and Hailey were in France and def. a couple (rumored to be "engaged", etc.) by beginning of July. So, that lead me to believe that the NYC move was somewhat influenced by his relationship with Hailey. Jon seems to be influenced by whatever woman he is with at the time.

I don't have a problem with Jon having a girlfriend or having fun--he does need to have a life. Perhaps the whole moving to Utah (or DC, as has been reported) are just rumors or just Jon talking.
However, my opinion is that a move so far away from the kids would not be in the children's best interest. I don't think that liing in NYC was that bad--it was about a 2 hour drive--but a plane ride from Utah, the time getting to and from the airport, and getting to the airport at least 1 1/2 hours before the flight eats up almost an entire day--not the same thing as living a 2 hour drive away.
I don't think Jon has to live next door to the kids--within a couple of hours is reasonable, IMO. As another poster said, barring actual work (not hoped for or imaginary) or family obligations, I cannot see how Jon could justify a move to Utah. He can just vacation there for snowboarding, can't he?

JaxMom said...

Whether this article is true or not, imagine how poor Mady and Cara must feel hearing that their Dad *may* be moving over 1000 miles away from them. :( You know there are kids (or their parents) in their class who follow J&K...

PA Woman said...

I don't think Jon has to live next door to the kids--within a couple of hours is reasonable, IMO. As another poster said, barring actual work (not hoped for or imaginary) or family obligations, I cannot see how Jon could justify a move to Utah. He can just vacation there for snowboarding, can't he?
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I believe I speculated that he most likely was going to stay out in UTah for the ski season. Again it's speculation, but if anything my guess is his "moving" is temporary for the rest of the winter. And, hey, didn't he move out of NYC. So no rent (and no place to live). He can pay those plane tickets back to see the kids for 2 or 3 months and spend that time deciding where he is really going to settle.

If you recall, everyone was critizing Jon at about this same time last year, for spending time at his Moms, and out in Utah and not with the kids. Then, Kate takes off for a month on an extended book tour. At the time, it looked to me like they have moved around their 50 percent custody, so Jon could cover while Kate was gone for an entire month. Of course they hadn't admitted to being split yet but we all knew what was going on.

I also think that for Jon to live a couple hours from the kids is reasonable. I never understood why people were upset he moved to NYC. It's a quick car ride, and in bad weather you can hop the train. I believe realistically for Jon to get a "regular" job he may well need to go to Philly, NYC, Baltimore, DC, Pittsburgh....all are a reasonable drive to Wernersville but will offer a much better job market.

Or, he could stay in Wernersville, buy some more land (maybe Kate can sell him some) and start an organic farm!!

itsaboutthekids said...

JaxMom said...
Whether this article is true or not, imagine how poor Mady and Cara must feel hearing that their Dad *may* be moving over 1000 miles away from them. :( You know there are kids (or their parents) in their class who follow J&K...
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I would guess that Mady and Cara know better than any of us, or any press stories, what their dad might or might not do. Surely they've had conversations with him concerning his and their future, especially if they are in counseling and working their way through this.

I question the validity of counseling in the home, but at least they have another party to talk to. Hopefully it is someone with enough integrity and the credentials to "do no harm".

At one time Jon said he talked to the kids on the phone daily. Hopefully that's still true or they at least have the option if they want to talk to their dad.

PA Woman said...

As a comparison for Jon's behavior, Bob Saget was mentioned in the Fox News piece

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Fox News is not a tabloid but they also don't do entertainment news. So they most likely farmed this out to someone else. So, I'm just saying I'd still take it with a grain of salt.

At any rate, it makes sense to give opinions on whether you think it is ok for Jon to move or not...but to hang him on the cross for moving (like a handful have done here) just isn't fair. He may not actually be moving!

jasmine said...

If Jon is out of the NY apartment, then he should find a rental that is closer to his childrens' home. He can get a 6 month lease or live in a nearby extended stay hotel until he settles his lawsuit and obligation with TLC and finds employment. Why would he move to Utah? He can snowboard in the Poconos or build a hill on his 25 acres. I read this new girlfriend lived in California and her family was from Connecticut. Maybe her family just has a timeshare in Utah. It would be devastating for the kids if he moves so far away from them.

itsaboutthekids said...

Where does Kate go when it's Jon's visitation time and he's the one at home with the kids? Unless someone knows for sure, isn't it quite possible she is hours away from the kids? And why is it so important that this little secret has been guarded like the gold at Ft. Knox? I don't believe for one minute it's paparazzi concerns because TLC and Kate control them. What's she hiding? REAL celebrities aren't this secretive about where they live.

Jane in California said...

I think some of the criticism leveled at Jon (such as for possibly moving to Utah, which at this point is nothing but a rumor) can be tinged by our own experiences (either with our own fathers or our own ex's). That's natural but it's also unfair.

Until Jon actually moves somewhere, hopefully we'll reserve any judgment. I would be critical of him if I learned that he voluntarily chose to have less custodial time with the children, or that he was failing to show up for his scheduled visits. Assuming he's there when he says he'll be there, then it doesn't matter to me where he calls home.

In The Barn said...

Not saying he IS, but does this pic (walking alone @Sundance)look like Jon's HALF-BAKED and trying to look like a gnarly skier dude?

There's a difference between remaining young at heart vs. pathetically trying to recapture your 'cool' teen and 20's decades.

(Wonder if he still thinks, how did he put it?, "Jews are cool as $#^!"?) Geez.

NDmom said...

Get real, Jon! Those kids need you on a regular basis and you need to be nearby. Be the good dad that you once were and don't move so far away. NYC was even too far. There will be many school programs and other things that you really should be able to see on a regular basis and with short notice.

Brummygirl said...

P.A,. Woman said:
At any rate, it makes sense to give opinions on whether you think it is ok for Jon to move or not...but to hang him on the cross for moving (like a handful have done here) just isn't fair. He may not actually be moving!
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Exactly P.A., this is what I have been saying in my last few posts, it is all conjecture.

jibberjabbers said...

Also, in virtually every divorce, the non-custodial parent needs to make child support payments. It doesn't matter if the non-custodial parent is unemployed or working minimum wage, or if the custodial parent is a multi-billionaire. The law holds you accountable to fund your children's lives and needs.

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Not in Ca. You are only forced to pay Child Support if the the other party ask for it.

Most don't even bother if the the person is unemployed.

tuesday said...

How about Get Real Kate? Jon doesn't looked 'baked' in the photo, it looks like he's experiencing life, and having fun doing it, very appropriatly for a man his age whose wife gave him the heave-ho. Not the best shot I'm sure but a lot of these p-people publish the worst picture possible after shooting hundreds of pictures.

Take a look, it's dark outside and flashs go off in his face. That is a natural reaction, stop looking for things that aren't there.

Brummygirl, I agree. At least Jon is shown out doing normal activities, where is Khate? In front of a camera plotting her next media invasion? Becoming a cyborg for TLC? So what if he's in Utah? She was shown being in the same house with their children and she wasn't involved... but Jon was. Gosh, KHATE TOLD JON TO GET OUT--what part of that don't people understand?

itsaboutthekids said...

In The Barn said...
Not saying he IS, but does this pic (walking alone @Sundance)look like Jon's HALF-BAKED and trying to look like a gnarly skier dude?

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To answer your question, No.

Jon was a snowboarder long before he was married. Why are so many people bent on denying him this pleasure. Find fault with the rest of his trip if necessary, but can't he go snowboarding without being beaten up for having fun.

He's walking along a mountainside, in a snowstorm, carrying a snowboard. How is that being half-baked and "trying to look like a gnarly skier dude"?

I think you're really reaching on this one.

Pony said...

For those of you saying that Jon should live near Wernersville so he can attend school programs, soccer games, etc. when it's not his custody time, I can only guess that you have limited experience with acrimonious divorces. I have known of several couples who had custody decrees that forbade the non-custodial parent from being around the children if it wasn't their day. Sometimes it was because there was so much anger and hostility between the parents that they had to exchange the kids on neutral territory. I can see Kate being the kind of person who would demand that Jon not be around on her time. This is the woman who told the world that she would never be apart from the children on any holiday. How many divorces do you know of where one parent gets all the holidays, perhaps sharing a few? I don't know of any others.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

I would kill to have back my 20s -- or 30s, 40s, or 50s....

but I sure wouldn't give back all those years of the sunshine of my children, even sadly missing the loss of an adult child.

So Jon says he missed his 20s --- I can give him a break on that comment. Let's just judge him on what he does in the present (and please let him make some right choices). amen

Gimme Gimme said...

To those who want to hang Jon from the rafters because some gossip site is saying he wants to move to Utah...

How about Khate being gone for weeks and only accepting emergency phone calls with regard to her kids (that is from her mouth).

Afterall she had a "bad" childhood and Jon didn't so all of her indiscretions are okay, right?

Vanessa said...

So when is the bombshell going to hit? Didn't "Imayknowthings" say something BIG was coming from Jon's camp?
I think what is getting everyone riled up is that the "press" (tabloids) always have something POSITIVE about Kate...pretty in pink while doing her mommy duty...takes a break from her brood of 8...blah blah...BUT when there's anything written about Jon it's...new girlfriend...INSTEAD of being with his kids...moving here, moving there...
The MINUTE something negative is put out there about Kate (most recently, putting her hand over Colin's mouth) they immmediately put something out about Jon. And they AlWAYS give a REASON for her atrocious behaviour. "She's just SOOO stressed out, she's finding it SOOO hard to be a single mom, she thinks Jon never REALLY loved her..." This whole society has gone on a man-bashing-hating crusade. They BOTH should be getting the TRUTH printed about them!

fidosmommy said...

Pony said...
This is the woman who told the world that she would never be apart from the children on any holiday.

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Well, except for Mother's Day and the sextuplets' 5th birthday. Those had to be celebrated on other days to accomodate Kate's interview schedule - People Magazine, I believe it was.

But I see your point. If Jon's not permitted to attend these things, it might be easier on the kids if they knew Daddy couldn't come because of distance. It might work in Jon's mind as a balm for his pain that he's not allowed to go to these events. It would sound a whole lot better than "Mommy told Daddy if he showed up, she'd clobber him".

Churches are often sites for the
exchange of parents in very angry
divorces.

Medusa Kate said...

What surprises me, since Kate and Jon hate each other (well, I think she hates him. I think Kate is the one that has made it acrimonious, not Jon. I think he could have made it possible to be 'friends'.), I am shocked that she lets him have access to the house on his custody time.

If the house was truly in HER name, she could make him have his custody time elsewhere. The house must truly belong to the children.

Barbara in VA said...

Jon doesn't look "half baked", he looks like a typical guy out snowboarding, trudging along some trail and having a camera light go off in his face. If you've ever been up in the mountains skiing or snowboarding you'd know that many, many people are older than is Jon who enjoy that sport (including me and my family) and none of us look our best after a day of skiing, believe me.

$$$ said...

MaryB said...
On the bright side (if there is one) is that Jon is not flaunting this relationship.
He is keeping a lower profile.


You can't give him credit for that; he's not allowed to be paid for any media thing. Why else did he flaunt his other relationships? For the $$$$.

MickeyMcKean said...

Pony makes an excellent point in that there are a lot of custody degrees that severely limit the non custodial parent on non custodial days. I used to work in family law and it is not fun, especially when you see just how nasty one parent can be to the other. Once the financial issues are agreed upon, then the ex couple have years to fight over the custody issues, who breached what etc.

That being said, how can we forget how quickly Kate has shown the world on film that she will throw Jon under the bus at each and every opportunity?

I must say that there are a few things that surprise me now after the fact. For instance, that Jon is allowed to stay at the Konpound on his days. Since it is Kate's house, she could force him to stay elsewhere.

Also, during the last episode when Jon and kids were at the local fire house, Kate stated that she did not want Jon to take the kids off the property when he is there. Why is she wanting to limit where he can take the kids on his time? The kids are older so they are more easily manageable, and if necessary he can take a not-a-nanny with them. Kate takes one with her when she takes the kids to the park or out for ice cream, same should apply to Jon.

So if Jon wants to go snowboarding in Utah and surfing in Hawaii when it is not his time to be in PA, I don't have a problem with it. I am willing to bet, however, that Kate is not happy when she sees proof that he is having a good time but then again, he is out and about because she kicked him out.

MickeyMcKean said...

$$$ said...
MaryB said...
... Jon is not flaunting this relationship. He is keeping a lower profile.

You can't give him credit for that; he's not allowed to be paid for any media thing. Why else did he flaunt his other relationships? For the $$$$.

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AND to throw his new life in Kate's face.

Even though Jon has apologized to Kate for flaunting this gfs in public, it still comes down to one parent seeing the other start a new life with someone new is going to hurt just a tad. Add the fact that there is media coverage ... yes even Kate would be hurt by seeing Jon move on with life.

Dunwoody Mom said...

You can't give him credit for that; he's not allowed to be paid for any media thing. Why else did he flaunt his other relationships? For the $$$$

Re-read your post. You contradicted yourself. If Jon is not allowed to be paid for any media thing, then how did he get money for flaunting his other relationships?

SafetyTrain said...

PA Woman said...

Bur his emotional well-being does impact the kids. It may not be good for his emotional stability to be in the "neighborhood" and have to go back to putting up with Kate's demands on a daily basis. If his confrontations with Kate, effects him, it may also effect his capability to be there for his kids.
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With all due respect, I disagree. Jon's an adult, not a child. He chose to get married and be a parent and he needs to deal with the consequences of those decisions. Yes, he went through a bad marriage with a bitch of a woman, but now that they're divorced he shouldn't in any way shape or form let her intimidate him out of being a good father. He needs to be near them for THEIR sake, for THEIR emotional stability. Running far away and telling them "Sorry, I hate your mother, so I'm moving a thousand miles away from you" is not a concept the kids should be forced to accept. Its just cruel. Jon needs to find his strength and heal the part of himself that was damaged by Kate, so he can be near them. He's a father first, and a recovering ex-husband second. That's just the way it goes when you bring kids, who didn't ask to be born, into this world.

PA Woman said...

Jane in California said...
I think some of the criticism leveled at Jon (such as for possibly moving to Utah, which at this point is nothing but a rumor) can be tinged by our own experiences (either with our own fathers or our own ex's). That's natural but it's also unfair.

Until Jon actually moves somewhere, hopefully we'll reserve any judgment. I would be critical of him if I learned that he voluntarily chose to have less custodial time with the children, or that he was failing to show up for his scheduled visits. Assuming he's there when he says he'll be there, then it doesn't matter to me where he calls home.

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Exactly, And, you know if he was not making his obligations Kate would make sure the world knows about it. That's why I highly doubt some peoples statements on here that "he spends little time with the kds" or rarely sees the kids. Kate would be on LK telling us all that~!

At least people on her aren't call Jon Ted Bundy like I just read on another site.

Someone on here also commented that Jon is only being quiet in the press becasue he has to be. While that may be true, but I'd like to point out that his girlfriend is also being quiet and you know that won't be true for Hailey!

Jon deserves to have a life. If here were to spend every breathing moment in Wernersville, Kate is NOT going to let him see the kids on his non custody days anyway. So what is the big deal if he travels. Do you think Kate doesn't travel when Jon's there?

itsaboutthekids said...

"Also, during the last episode when Jon and kids were at the local fire house, Kate stated that she did not want Jon to take the kids off the property when he is there. Why is she wanting to limit where he can take the kids on his time?"

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Narcissists want to control and manipulate...
E V E R Y T H I N G!!
and they are quite cunning and devious in their efforts.

Medusa Kate said...

Kate stated that she did not want Jon to take the kids off the property when he is there. Why is she wanting to limit where he can take the kids on his time?
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Just a further smear against Jon's parenting skills...if she didn't trust Jon to provide adequate care, then she shouldn't have left them in his care for that span of a few years while she was gone all of the time (the kids needed more supervision at that age, so if she is now saying he isn't a responsible parent, then shame on her for leaving her kids at risk).

She is the neglectful parent...takes one kid out to dinner with TWO ear infections (and a fever),...constipation is to be ignored..is completely indifferent to most of her children..mocks and ridicules them..feeds them undercooked poultry and LAUGHS about it..

I need to stop. This list could go on forever.

Jon can do whatever he pleases with the kids while on his time.
She wants to control everything, as usual. When she kicked him to the curb, she shot herself in the foot. The sham marriage was outed, Jon needed to move on with his life, she showed what a witch she was and then...the show was over. She did it to herself. HAHA (But the sad thing is, she thinks it is ALL Jon's fault!)

chesterctymom said...

Again, whenever there is something negative printed about Khate, the PR bottom feeders stir up type of controversy about Jon. Stir allyou want, Khate's mean side always shows up...

I say keep the focus where it belongs...on the kids who are still being treated as props by Khate...

Jane in California said...

$$$ said...

You can't give him credit for that; he's not allowed to be paid for any media thing. Why else did he flaunt his other relationships? For the $$$$.

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I have seen this claim posted several times on this blog, but never with any real proof to back it up. For once, I'd really like someone who is claiming Jon somehow made money from "flaunting" his post-Kate relationships, to have some sort of proof other than their own personal belief it is so.

Please explain how he made money by dating Hailey? Were they paid to pose for the cover of People magazine or any other magazine, like Kate was for an In Touch cover?

Some have claimed that Jon and/or Kate get paid by the paparazzi whenever they call them to take some photographs. The problem with that is it's unsubstantiated. Again -- spoken as truth but no proof is provided. How about a statement from a paparazzi that they have paid Jon and/or Kate, even on one occasion?

I just don't see how Jon has made money by dating any woman post-Kate. Yes, he's been photographed numerous times, but that makes money for the photog, if they can sell the picture to a publication. Why would any paparazzi kick back money to Jon -- it's not like he's hard to photograph. He's out and about! Anyone with a camera who knows his schedule, can easily click shots of him without paying him one thin dime. The idea that a greedy paparazzi would willingly pay Jon for pictures he/she can take quite easily for free does not make sense.

Jane in California said...

jibberjabbers said...

Not in Ca. You are only forced to pay Child Support if the the other party ask for it.

Most don't even bother if the the person is unemployed.
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I can't say if this is accurate or not, only that this has not been my experience. The family law judge is supposed to put the best interests of the children at the forefront, not whether one parent or another has asked for support. When you fill out the forms for custody, visitation, etc., there are also forms for child support. If you don't file those, the court is going to tell you to do so.

Even if the non-custodial parent is unemployed, you are supposed to file those forms anyway, and indicate the income status, as it currently stands. Even unemployed people can and are ordered to pay child support. The fact that a non-custodial parent is unemployed does not mean the judge says, "okay, you don't have to pay." In fact, unless the person is disabled, he or she is supposed to do whatever they can to generate an income. A minimal amount is often ordered for child support, subject to modification if and when the parent finds a job.

Further, a court can impose child support if it thinks the non-custodial parent is purposely unemployed or underemployed. Sadly, ex husbands have tried this tactic numerous times to get out of paying a decent or fair share of the cost to support their own kids. Courts and judges are wise to this ploy and will punish anyone they think is playing this game.

Anyway -- got off topic, but I have worked with lots of single moms helping them fill out paperwork, and if they don't file for child support, the court is gonna want to know why, will push them to file for the child support anyway, etc. It's not necessarily up to the parents -- the court will push for it because it's in the best interests of the children involved. The parents wants or desires have little bearing on the matter.

snowbound said...

Kate once said that parents of multiples have an increased percentage rate for divorce. Exactly what are Kate's expectations for the life expectancy of a 'relationship' established via a 'reality' tv dating show?

Sharla said...

Swiffering occurred.

Here for my girls said...

I can see Jon wanting to move across the country to get away from Kate....but knowing how she is and how she treats their children, how selfish for him to do so. My only hope is that TCL is providing a wonderful nanny that is there for those kids day in and day out. It's the least they can do after helping to tear their family apart.

Drama Queen said...

Who paid for Jon's ticket to Utah? He's getting money by dating rich girls because the girls and/or their parents have money to spend on him. And he's at Sundance because its become a Mecca for people seeking the spotlight.

Even though he's just started dating this girl, notice how he's not paying to stay at a hotel. And if Jon is supposedly still with his kids half the time, how is he spending such a long time in Utah?

rural mom said...

These stories are put out by the publicists in hopes Jon, and Kate, are marketable commodities. I think people are tired of the Gosselins, even the kids, and any show either does will tank. Jon may milk the gravy train doing guest walk ons where shows/movies mock him but long term,the future is not bright. Same for Kate, she was famous for birthing 6 kids at once, that is not talent.

iheartmyhubby said...

So I was watching Wendy Williams last night, and she had the man who was responsible for Kate's awful weave on her show. She asked him how this hair idea came about and he said that since they are on the same network, TLC recruited him to do her hair.

He also said that she was going to be on his show "What Not To Wear" but she decided not to do it.

Finally, he said that they normally use about 6 packets of hair per person for extensions (I don't remeber what the exact term was he used, but I'll just call them packets) and he acutally used 18 on Kate.

SafetyTrain said...

Brummygirl said...
@Safety Train:
I understand all that about children of divorce and agree with you, it would be better for him to live nearer but I am saying that wherever he lives, Kate will only allow him to see them on the time allotted unless it suits her.
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I understand that fully. What I'm saying is that it would be an emotional comfort for the kids to know he's close by - even though they can't see them on his non-custody days. Kids are incredibly sensitive and take the things their parents do very personally. They could misread Jon's moving far away as rejection - even though that's not his intention. A lot of kids feel that the parent who moves away after a divorce that parent is actually divorcing THEM as well as their other parent.

PA Woman said...

SafetyTrain said...
Brummygirl said...

I understand that fully. What I'm saying is that it would be an emotional comfort for the kids to know he's close by - even though they can't see them on his non-custody days. Kids are incredibly sensitive and take the things their parents do very personally. They could misread Jon's moving far away as rejection - even though that's not his intention. A lot of kids feel that the parent who moves away after a divorce that parent is actually divorcing THEM as well as their other parent

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But won't it be better for them to see a parent that actually works? If Jon ever settles down and gets a real job there are a lot more opportunities if he gets out of Wernsville to a major city, and there are several just a couple hours a way. Once he ever gets off his fame kick, he is much more likely to be hired outside of the immediate area. I would think it would be better for the kids to have a working dad then one sitting around on the couch in Wernsville.
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Drama Queen said...
Who paid for Jon's ticket to Utah? He's getting money by dating rich girls because the girls and/or their parents have money to spend on him. And he's at Sundance because its become a Mecca for people seeking the spotlight.

Even though he's just started dating this girl, notice how he's not paying to stay at a hotel. And if Jon is supposedly still with his kids half the time, how is he spending such a long time in Utah?
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How many days has he spent in Utah versus with the kids this month and what is your source of informatio???? You seem to KNOW he has been in Utah a long time. WHat day did he get there:?

Jane in California said...

Drama Queen said...

Who paid for Jon's ticket to Utah? He's getting money by dating rich girls because the girls and/or their parents have money to spend on him. And he's at Sundance because its become a Mecca for people seeking the spotlight.

Even though he's just started dating this girl, notice how he's not paying to stay at a hotel. And if Jon is supposedly still with his kids half the time, how is he spending such a long time in Utah?
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As to the first question, that's none of our business. It doesn't matter to me if Jon purchased that ticket with his own money, or if his rich new g/f paid for it, or anyone else. That's not our business. He is there as a private citizen, not a representative of any organization and to try to pry into personal business is just that - prying and invasive.

Secondly - do you have some specific item you know was purchased for Jon by either a rich g/f and/or her parents? If so, please describe. If not, then you are making unsubstantiated claims and that doesn't work for me.

As to your guess about why he's at Sundance - again, why does it matter his reasons? Those are his business, not ours. He is there as a private citizen, not as a representative for any organization. As far as I'm aware, in the U.S., any citizen may travel to any city they please, as long as they aren't on the run from the law.

As to where he is staying while in Utah - again, that's none of our business. If his g/f or her parents invited him to stay at their home, so what? Why does it matter to you or anyone who finds something objectionable in the fact that he has friends who have a home in Utah and they open their doors to friends?

When I pick on Kate for getting freebie hair extensions from TLC, for a photoshoot with People, I do so because the extensions, the plastic surgery, the photoshoot, are all efforts by Kate and TLC to promote Kate in the public eye. Therefore, she is putting herself out in the public and should expect to be a target of mockery as well as interest.

Jon going with his g/f to Sundance and hanging out with others there for the same reason -- is not the same thing! He was photographed by paps, it was not a photoshoot paid for by TLC. He is not being funded and groomed by TLC in hopes they can con the public into watching any new show featuring Jon.

When Kate dresses to go pick up her kids from school, and then is filmed mashing Colin's mouth because he dared tug on her jacket -- I discuss her and criticize her parenting --- because she's clearly a lousy parent. If Jon was filmed doing the same thing to one of the kids, I would criticize him. Except he usually seems to be giving them hugs as they run into his arms. Hmmmmmm, quite a difference.

Jane in California said...

Here for my girls said...

I can see Jon wanting to move across the country to get away from Kate....but knowing how she is and how she treats their children, how selfish for him to do so.
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He has NOT moved to Utah. He is merely on a trip during his non-custodial time. If and when he moves, then you could call him selfish for doing so, but it's a bit premature at this point.

Duckman said...

iheartmyhubby said...

So I was watching Wendy Williams last night, and she had the man who was responsible for Kate's awful weave on her show. She asked him how this hair idea came about and he said that since they are on the same network, TLC recruited him to do her hair.

He also said that she was going to be on his show "What Not To Wear" but she decided not to do it.

Finally, he said that they normally use about 6 packets of hair per person for extensions (I don't remeber what the exact term was he used, but I'll just call them packets) and he acutally used 18 on Kate.

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Kate "decided" not to do WNTW? This one reeks of spin-doctoring.

WNTW usually gets its participants via nominations from friends and family; WNTW usually doesn't directly invite the participants. Apparently TLC couldn't find/pay more than one person to [credibly] say anything positive about Kate, much less be part of the welcoming crowd at reveal-time.

The only times WNTW directly invites participants would be via self-nominations, but those happen infrequently. Self-nomination would contradict Kate's self-perception that she can do anything (hey, hosting talk shows is easy!). There's still the problem of finding enough people for the welcoming committee at the end of the show.

Wondering if Kate's "decision" was more like Stacey and Clinton not wanting to have anything to do with her.

Another possibility is that everybody knows Kate has money, so accepting $5000 from WNTW for a new wardrobe would be an insult to people's intelligence, when everybody knows Kate can afford a stylist. Mayim Bialik raised the bar when she decided to spend $5000 of her own money instead of WNTW's $5000.

logical said...

goodness people move away all the time fom their kids. its not always best but it does happen. in this case if jon wants to move i say let him, he's the one who has to fly back every week to see them.

its whats in your heart that binds you to your kids, not the miles between you!! and I believe this, jons kids know he loves them very much!!

brennie said...

Kate cannot prevent Jon from attending school events and I do not think she would. If Jon lived close enough, he could still be a good parent. Kate was flexible when he showed up unexpectedly for the tups first day of school and would continue to be open to such visits from Jon.

I think she was very concerned about his stability and decisions he was making then so she did not want him to have the kids alone without the "helpers".

stopthemadness said...

Safety Train
I understand that fully. What I'm saying is that it would be an emotional comfort for the kids to know he's close by - even though they can't see them on his non-custody days. Kids are incredibly sensitive and take the things their parents do very personally. They could misread Jon's moving far away as rejection - even though that's not his intention. A lot of kids feel that the parent who moves away after a divorce that parent is actually divorcing THEM as well as their other parent.
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I agree with this. IF Jon moves to Utah I think they would be shattered. I don't know what the terms of the divorce are but I would imagine it'd be difficult for Kate to give him joint custody, say publicly he's a good father, and then "decide" that Jon can't go to their soccer games much less to the hospital if they break an arm and it's "her custody." Moving to NY was one thing - that seemed to be for work or to find a new gig but to Utah would just be for fun, to snowboard and "hang." So I hope it isnt true.

The MOST pathetic thing in this whole scenario to me, (their divorce and move to McMansion) is that the children were told about moving to the new house by both parents as if it were a good thing, and they were gotten to all shout "Yay!" for the camera -and be all excited thinking probably that here mommy has been on the road for 2 years, we had the renewal of vows, they are going to be together and we'll all be together at the new house. So freakin disengenuous it sickens me, When in fact both parents knew this was over and that the new house was going to be rotating parental visits or Kate in situ and Jon not there - these kids have been so jerked around by this show, and their parents desire for fame no matter how tacky they have to be to get it, they get shuffled off to this big house and parked there. Now, rumors of Dad moving to Utah - I would be devastated, and if Kate does a dating show, ditto. I hope those are just rumors in both cases as I think that the damage TLC and Jon and Kate have done to these kids is not small, and it is far from over.

wramblinwreck said...

"There's still the problem of finding enough people for the welcoming committee at the end of the show."
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Hmmmm...she could invite Steve and his wife and kids. The not-a-nannies and any other hired help, and their families. The faux BFF and her family. TLC could hire some extras. If Kate really wanted to do WNTW, TLC would find a way to make it work. But I can't see Kate subjecting herself to Stacy and Clinton's ridicule and direction. No way, she's a "stah!!"



"Mayim Bialik raised the bar when she decided to spend $5000 of her own money instead of WNTW's $5000."
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Right, and there's no way Kate's spending any of her own money to be told she has no sense of style and needs a fashion intervention.

chillywilly said...

Another possibility is that everybody knows Kate has money, so accepting $5000 from WNTW for a new wardrobe would be an insult to people's intelligence, when everybody knows Kate can afford a stylist.

IMO, its not the fact that Kate has money that is insulting to the idea of her being a 'contestant' on WNTW but the FACT that Kate ALREADY has a team of PAID professionals that advice her on every thing from how she SHOULD act and what she SHOULD wear. Kate doesnt need Stacy or Clinton to tell her what she should or should not wear; that is the responsibility of Kate's PR team and stylist. To have Kate Gosselin on WNTW would be nothing more than a TLC self serving attempt at cross promotion. I highly doubt that it was Kate's idea NOT to do the show, but the execs deciding that having Kate on the show would jeopardize the genuine premise of the show thus resulting in a negative back lash from the WNTW faithful viewers.

Jane in California said...

Kate on What Not to Wear would have been fascinating for me to watch, but a nightmare for the show's producers and stars. Can you think of any one else off the top of your head who thinks she knows it all, and would be extremely rude and condescending to Stacy and Clinton?

Oh, I would have loved to see the fireworks between Stacy and Kate. I can only imagine the sour look on Kate's face when Stacy and Clinton trashed her clothes, explained that this skirt was too short, these pants were too tight, these shirts were to revealing, etc., etc.

Then imagine the scene when they bring her to a manniquin dressed appropriately. In the background, a quick glimpse of the booby guard, because you never know when a crazed fan might break into a secure sound set, or when the person you are "guarding" might have a psychotic break from reality.

Kate's lip would curl as she surveyed the outfit. She'd abruptly explain why each and every item was not her style. She'd screech 'oh lordy BE!!! I'm sorry, but that's just horrendous!!" She might even slap someone 'playfully.'

How about when she went shopping and maxed out the credit card in the first half hour. Then what would they do? How would they film around booby guard following Kate and carrying all the clothes she was going to try on, then going to get different sizes for her, and then bringing her a double cafe mocha, and then inappropriately frisking one of the sales girls because she might have a camera on her?

Think about how hard it would have been for the WNTW film crew and producers to put together an hour show that didn't end up in a full on fist fight between their two stars and Kate?

*sigh* I'm sorry that TLC and/or WNTW saw the light and realized that was a horrible idea -- I would have vastly enjoyed the bizarre results.

Denise said...

This is from an interview with Stacy and Clinton:

Your show airs on the same network as 'Jon & Kate Plus 8.' What do you think of their personal style transformations?
Clinton: You know what -- oh God, there's so much I want to say, but the network execs would kill me if I said it. I think that, yes, they have evolved from the way their style used to be, but I don't think the evolution is complete. Kate's haircut ... I mean, honestly, I can't stand it. That spiky thing on the back of her head, it's like there's a porcupine following her around all the time! I cannot stand that haircut. There are many other things that I could say, there are many other criticisms I could make, but what I'm going to say is that I can't stand her haircut.
Stacy: I think that being under the microscope of being on TV and having people watch you, that personal style evolution happens a little bit faster. They've got eight kids to raise; it's very hard to make your personal style a priority. So, I give them credit for that. If it were me, I would change Kate's hair. I'm not going to lie, I don't understand it. She thinks it's going to catch on, I think she's trying to catch up. It's done, it's gone, Flock of Seagulls doesn't even play together anymore.


http://insidetv.aol.com/2009/05/29/what-not-to-wear-interview-with-clinton-kelly-and-stacy-london/

Kat said...

I would imagine it'd be difficult for Kate to give him joint custody, say publicly he's a good father, and then "decide" that Jon can't go to their soccer games much less to the hospital if they break an arm and it's "her custody."

Not as difficult as you think. Saw this in our fam - mom would tell kids that if dad wanted to attend an event, she wouldn't - essentially trying to force the kids to choose her and tell dad not to come. And if he did anyway, life with mom would be hell afterwards.

Trust me - it's brutal, but it's easily done, especially with young children like the Gosselins. And it creates emotional wounds in kids that scar them for life.

Bubbles said...

Brennie: Jon didn't show up "unexpectedly" on the first day of school. In the episode, Kate is already putting kids into her SUV when he pulls up, meaning she knew he was coming, because otherwise she'd have been loading them into the "Big Van." Her SUV won't hold 9 passengers.

She recorded some comment that was played over the footage about how she didn't expect him to show up...just another snide Kate remark trying to diminish Jon's parenting when he hadn't done anything wrong.

katan the stupid said...

It's hard for me to believe that Kate Gosselin would agree to go on What Not to Wear; the idiot thinks she looks great! Also, can you think of anyone who is less likely to take advice? My guess is if she really considered doing the show, it was for the free clothes and for her favorite thing of all: being on camera. No doubt she would have been a raving bitch. I'm still in shock over how she treated the guy on the Going Green episode. Has anyone else's blood pressure gone down since JK8 has gone away? It's so nice not to have to see that bitch any more. Good riddance. And Stacy and Clinton dodged a bullet.

2badsosad said...

She recorded some comment that was played over the footage about how she didn't expect him to show up...just another snide Kate remark trying to diminish Jon's parenting when he hadn't done anything wrong.

I agree. Kate could have and should have said she was pleasantly surprised that Jon showed up to see the children off on their first day of school. Kate's assumed expectations of Jon with respect to seeing the children off on their first day of school are/were irrelevant as her expectations were unfounded because Jon DID show up that day!

stopthemadness said...

Kate's head would break if she had to stand there and hear how stupid she looks. The time to do the crossover show with What Not to Wear would have been before her transition to fashion diva. Now she thinks she looks excellent.

It would be interesting to hear the comments at the beginning as they show video of her. However the real purpose of the show is to show women who look utterly dreadful and a big transformation, not to further spoil someone who just wears too many booby shirts or has a really bad hair cut.

I may be the only person in the world who thought the short asymmetrical look was cute on her, minus the porcupine and minus the really out of date chunky highlights.

stopthemadness said...

True Kat, I was not thinking of her ability to manipulate the situation, more of the legalities of it - she would not be able to keep him from coming however she could make him understand that if he did she would be evil afterwards and it is just not worth it.

The other thing is he may think that if they are anywhere together, the paparazzi will also be there or try to be. In which case it takes the focus off the kids - their own and everyone else's - if it's a sports event or music recital.

Still I would not be comfortable more than an hour's drive if that from my children and nor would their father. Regardless of whether they would see him or not. Their custody situation however is not normal. Two weeks on with his kids may make him feel like on his two weeks off he can be wherever, he has done his half. And when Alexis needed stitches and Kate was having her spa vacation in San Diego with Mady (and Steve) she did not feel the need to rush home. I think each of them knows the other can handle any emergencies, regardless of what they say about each other to the media.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Re: K8 showing up on "What Not To Wear": Anyone remember how non-receptive K8 was to any of Jon's clothing suggestions in that b.s. episode where he was supposedly helping her shop for clothes?

A big deal was made about K8's never shopping for herself (because she's all about The Kids and would rather buy for them - all evidence to the contrary at this point).

She claimed not to have any interest or talent in picking out her own clothes, yet every thing Jon patiently suggested, she'd criticize. So, what was the point?

Most who show up on "What Not To Wear" seem to be likeable people. K8 does not begin to qualify by this measure.

Stacy & Clinton would be wise not to waste their show on the likes of K8 Gosselin, who would, of course, play the 'too busy caring for my children to think about myself' pity card - SPARE ME.

Pony said...

stopthemadness said...
"True Kat, I was not thinking of her ability to manipulate the situation, more of the legalities of it - she would not be able to keep him from coming however she could make him understand that if he did she would be evil afterwards and it is just not worth it."

She certainly could stop him from showing up at events if she managed to get the custody order written that way. While we don't really know the exact details of the custody order, what has been hinted at sure looks to me like Kate pretty much got whatever she wanted and Jon got what little was left. I wouldn't put anything past Kate in this situation. She is one of the most self-serving people I've ever seen. And I think it bears repeating that they got divorced in Pennsylvania - a state with some of the most arcane divorce laws in the land. From everything I know, the family court judges in PA lean heavily toward the mother, and we all know that Jon did little to help his own case, from getting poor legal representation to acting like a college frat boy.

my9cats said...

If Kate appeared on WNTW I fear it would be "deja vu all over again".
Instead of being taken to task for her lack of taste she'll be fawned over and coddled just like everyone else does to her.
Poor Kate, a single mom, has 8 count 'em 8 kids ad nauseum. No one confronts her even if it is about something as mundane as her clothes. Kate will get a pass. Again.

stopthemadness said...

Well, now that Jon has called the cops on Kate for showing up when it is not her custody, perhaps he is not willing to risk doing the same. But that was to batter her way into the house and make a scene - a different scenario than showing up at a school sports event.
Whatever custody was agreed to, they both share custody and both agreed to it. So if Jon is not there for the kids when it's not his turn, or Kate's not there when it's not her turn, that is their mutual decision.

I have never heard of a custody agreement that prevents a Dad with joint physical and legal custody from showing up at the hospital when his child is injured. To give blood, say. Or for whatever reason. But this is all speculation as to whether Jon would even consider moving to Utah or what Kate would do if he went to a soccer game without her permission. HOpefully they will both be able to act like grown ups although the spiral now seems to be downward maybe they will decide to reverse it since all their kids depend on theit ability to coparent effectively. How in the world can you do that if you only communicate bi monthly when you have to cross paths and do it with the utmost childishness and hostility.

Or perhaps the children deserve to have a private chartered jet, served to them on a silver platter.

Gimme Gimme said...

As far as I can tell since the kids can't even go to gymnastic, I doubt very seriously if their mother will allow them to participate in any outside sports activities unless it is with Jon to begin with i.e. him and Cara snowboarding. I think they were still together when Cara was playing soccer before.

The boys would love to play soccer and they would all love gymnastics. But mommie dearest can't manage to get them out the door without an entourage so can't see any of that happening for the kids.

It would be nice if Jon could do some team sports with them during his time as I think he would be a good teacher for them as he is so athletic. If he is allowed to leave the premises with them that is.

I caught the reruns this morning at 6:00 and saw them in such a different light than before since I know all the drama she was creating then was but a drop in the pan. The kids were delightful and Jon was very likable but the whole thing had lost its charm. I hate that she did that to her family.

Drama Queen said...

There is no reason why Jon couldn't have gotten joint custody of those kids. I know several divorced people who tried to get primary custody of their kids and failed. Its pretty hard to keep the other parent from having at least 40% custody unless that parent is openly abusive or a known drug addict. I doubt Kate was paying off judges to rule in her favor.

I don't think Jon wanted joint custody. That's the only reason he doesn't have it that makes sense. He had the money to fight for it, because he had the money to live in Manhattan and he has the money to run around the Sundance Film Festival.

Jon is no angel. Kate's not great either, but people seem to want to excuse everything Jon does. I haven't seen much evidence in the past year that those kids are Jon's main priority. There's alot of circumstantial evidence that Jon pulled the plug on the show because his paycheck was about to be reduced, not because he had some epiphany that it was harmful.

misty pig said...

stopthemadness said...
Well, now that Jon has called the cops on Kate for showing up when it is not her custody,
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Looking back now, I realise that this was purely a publicity stunt on the part of Kate/TLC.

Shame on them for wasting the cops time. And I'll wonder what was going on inside the house in those kids heads as the drama unfolded.

misty pig said...

stopthemadness said...
Or perhaps the children deserve to have a private chartered jet, served to them on a silver platter.
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GOLDEN platter
lol

misty pig said...

Bubbles said...
Brennie: Jon didn't show up "unexpectedly" on the first day of school. In the episode, Kate is already putting kids into her SUV when he pulls up, meaning she knew he was coming, because otherwise she'd have been loading them into the "Big Van." Her SUV won't hold 9 passengers.

She recorded some comment that was played over the footage about how she didn't expect him to show up...just another snide Kate remark trying to diminish Jon's parenting when he hadn't done anything wrong.
_________________
Bubbles is correct.
Obviously Kate/TLC trying to hurt Jon.
It was obvious that her voice over had been recorded and added at a later date. Her remark was to the effect he had booked another engagement in some other state and..

Nice try but the viewers are not dumb

misty pig said...

"There's still the problem of finding enough people for the welcoming committee at the end of the show."
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HAHAHAH. Well the eight kids could be there. If you gave the kids candy I would bet they would run up to you on cue and tell you how pretty she looked.

jibberjabbers said...

misty pig said...

Obviously Kate/TLC trying to hurt Jon.
It was obvious that her voice over had been recorded and added at a later date. Her remark was to the effect he had booked another engagement in some other state and..

Nice try but the viewers are not dumb.

Yea, nice try TLC. But it just makes it a little more obvious at what they're trying to do.

I wouldn't be surprised if TLC wanted Kate to get a divorce so they can film Kate Plus 8.

Kate, you have two choices, Marriage counseling with Jon, or Kate Plus 8.

We all know what Kate went with. All for the kids right?

bullet875 said...

Several people have posted that they don't see what the big deal is if Jon moves to Utah because does it matter if he flies or drives 2 hours. Normally , I'd say there's no difference. but what if an emergency should happen? It's a lot easier to jump into a care at a moment's notice than to book a flight and get to/through the airport.

I know that emergencies are a big" what if", but with 8 children and an unstable mother, there a lot more likely to happen than to someone with less kids and a spouse who is normal.

If I were Jon I would move as close to my children as possible so I could be there at a moment's notice...and to be a haven for the kids if they spontaneously need to get away (ya never know..maybe from a wacky violent situation).

Kat said...

Pony - just FYI, it would be really hard for one parent to legally prevent the other parent from showing up to school events, sports games, and the like, without an actual restraining order because of a fear of violence or abuse. I can't think of any Family Court judges I know that would allow that kind of restriction to be written into a normal custody agreement.

But, it seems irrelevant in this case anyway, because Jon has shown up for such events during Kate's custody days, and I presume vice-versa, although there haven't been any public examples, to my knowledge.

I'm sure it irks Kate no end, but for the children's sake, I hope Jon keeps on showing up on special days and for special events. They don't have to sit near each other, or talk to each other, or even look in each other's direction.

Pony said...

Kat said...
"Pony - just FYI, it would be really hard for one parent to legally prevent the other parent from showing up to school events, sports games, and the like, without an actual restraining order because of a fear of violence or abuse. I can't think of any Family Court judges I know that would allow that kind of restriction to be written into a normal custody agreement."

Normally, I would agree with you. However, there are 2 things to consider here - 1) normally judges give parents joint physical and legal custody of their children these days - but Kate got primary custody even though Jon was the parent who had spent the most time with the children and was in many respects the primary caretaker of them up to the divorce and 2) Kate was certainly making a lot of noise before the final rulings that looked to me like she was trying to get Jon declared and unfit parent. She has publicly stated that she didn't like him taking the children off the property, for instance. And while I agree that most family court judges are extremely reasonable and even-handed, the ones I have known of in Pennsylvania aren't as reasonable as the ones I know in other states.

Kat said...

Pony - "Kate was certainly making a lot of noise...like she was trying to get Jon declared an unfit parent"

But that didn't happen, presumably because despite TLC's "gorilla in the background," the judge was smart enough to see through that kind of nonsense.

As for why Kate was given primary physical custody - who knows? It may have been Jon's concession in the negotiations just to get the divorce finalized, or to get Kate to back off other aspects of the divorce (like some of the money stuff), but we'll never know unless they make the divorce agreement public, and I don't see that happening. They supposedly hammered out all these details in that series of negotiations, so presumably they both agreed to the terms. The judge did not make that ruling; he merely accepted the agreement they presented.

I can't speak directly to PA judges, but most family court judges have seen just about every trick in the book.

Meg said...

So now Jon Gosselin is offering to tlc that they can film his kids if they drop the lawsuit. Looks like Jon isn't a decent father after all....

Midnight Serenade said...

"Pony - just FYI, it would be really hard for one parent to legally prevent the other parent from showing up to school events, sports games, and the like, without an actual restraining order because of a fear of violence or abuse."

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Why would she want to prevent him from showing up at school events, sports games, etc.? It's not like she would have to be with or near him because she doesn't attend these functions anyway.

Jane in California said...

Meg said...

So now Jon Gosselin is offering to tlc that they can film his kids if they drop the lawsuit. Looks like Jon isn't a decent father after all....
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Meg - for now that is an unsubstantiated rumor posted by Radar on Line, a notoriously biased site who receive monetary compensation from TLC to promote Kate and denigrate Jon. Please don't rely on them for any real news and give Jon the benefit of doubt a bit longer.

If this "story" is actually proven by either Jon or one of his reps confirming it, or a TLC exec (named in the story) confirms it, then we can all scream foul about Jon then.

But always look to the source, and if its ROL, there is a 99% chance it's a planted story with no actual basis in truth. Remember, they think Kate is awesome! A hot mama! It's laughable. You can't trust them.