Could Kate Still Learn From An Old Idea?

Although ChurchMouse has made a decision not to post comments here at GWOP at this time, she gave permission for this piece to be published.

Could Kate Still Learn From An Old Idea?

Perhaps these ideas that were penned by a young female author in 1868 seem ancient history, but the words still ring true today.

"Mrs. March said, in her serious yet cheery way...

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fostersmom said...

Although ChurchMouse has made a decision not to post comments here at GWOP at this time, she gave permission for this piece to be published.

Could Kate Still Learn From An Old Idea?

Perhaps these ideas that were penned by a young female author in 1868 seem ancient history, but the words still ring true today.

"Mrs. March said, in her serious yet cheery way...

"I want my daughters to be beautiful, accomplished, and good. To be admired, loved, and respected. To have a happy youth, to be well and wisely married, and to lead useful, pleasant lives, with as little care and sorrow to try them as God sees fit to send. To be loved and chosen by a good man is the best and sweetest thing which can happen to a woman, and I sincerely hope my girls may know this beautiful experience. It is natural to think of it, Meg, right to hope and wait for it, and wise to prepare for it, so that when the happy time comes, you may feel ready for the duties and worthy of the joy. My dear girls, I am ambitious for you, but not to have you make a dash in the world, marry rich men merely because they are rich, or have splendid houses, which are not homes because love is wanting. Money is a needful and precious thing, and when well used, a noble thing, but I never want you to think it is the first or only prize to strive for. I'd rather see you poor men's wives, if you were happy, beloved, contented, than queens on thrones, without self-respect and peace."


Yep, that's from Louisa May Alcott's, "Little Women". And old-fashioned as it seems, I still agree with every word. Would that Ms. Gosselin benefit from some of those ideas, and pass those along to her own kids. (Just, y'know, adjusting the pronouns so that it includes the boys.)


Sincerely,

ChurchMouse



A note from moderator Joy Rene...

“Little Women” is an old fashioned story that still has much wisdom to impart for today’s world, so thank you for this reminder, Church Mouse. It’s not only the words that ring true, it’s also the values expressed by Louisa May Alcott through Mrs. March. Of course, we all wish for our children a future of financial comfort, but even more most of us wish that they grow into self-respecting adults that are happy and contented, beloved by the important people in their lives, and at peace with themselves. Is it too much to hope that deep down inside the Gosselins also want these things for their children's future?

Katiedid1806 said...

I doubt very much Khate identified with any character other than the vain Amy (earlier on in the book), and she certainly did not notice something as poignant or relevant to one's own life as this.

I see Khate with the clothespin on her nose, always striving to have the biggest and best of everything, lest someone think less of her for not being wealthy. And it's a pity, too, because what little I have seen of the show over the last two years, it seems to me like some of the children might have a little hope of turning out better than their mom. And she will only see failure where their bank accounts and material things are absent.

KatyKat said...

I LOVE Little Women! Have worn my book out.

No, she won't learn. One has to be willing to learn...

Kelly said...

I am trying to stay neutral.

But it is not okay to make money off the backs of your kids. I understand TLC may have pressured them-but Kate shopped the twins around and when that didn't take she went for something more.

Jon is a doofus. Totally. I have a tad bit more sympathy (not empathy) for Jon but he seems like a ding-dong too.

The kids are the ones that will have to suffer their parents mistakes.

It bothers me that People and Radar give Kate and Jon heavy media coverage which only cements to them that they are "celebrities."

I don't think being a celebrity means anything. I'd rather be a good person. And if I had 8 kids I'd rather be known as a good parent.

JaxMom said...

Based on how "cultured" Kate is, I'd be surprised if she ever read "Little Woman" or anything that didn't come in magazine form.

Still, a great reminder as to values one should pass on to one's children. I'd like to add that I hope to raise my boys to cherish their wives, do honest work, and be happy.

Jane in California said...

I read Little Women as an adolescent girl, and then I read Little Men and part of Jo's Boys. My favorite was Little Women. Thank you Church Mouse for the reminder of one of my favorite childhood books.

Brummygirl said...

Thank you ChurchMouse:
That is and always has been one of my most favourite books. It was one of the books I checked out of the library in England many times until my mother bought me my own copy. I still have it.
I identified with Jo but was given the name of one of the others and always wanted four girls just like
Mother March when I grew up. I did have two!! :)
There were many good lessons to be learned within those pages but I doubt whether Kate would even acknowledge that she had something to learn.
Even Amy had a good heart, just a little pretentious at times.
I have watched every single movie version of Little Women and it still moves me. Especially Beth's words to Jo.. "But I know I shall be homesick for you even in heaven".
Ah....wonderful literature but I fear totally lost on Kate!!

Lauren said...

I highly doubt that Kate has ever had any interest in reading "Little Women." After all if it's not about Kate, she's just not into it.

Remember who we are dealing with here - a trained nurse who holds her breath driving past cemeteries because she's afraid of "dead people gasses." She's a certifiable bimbo.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Church Mouse, I hope your absence is brief. Come on back.... You are missed.

texas two step said...

ChurchMouse-

THANK YOU MORE THAN YOU KNOW.

Regardless of Kate and Jon, the reminder you have sent is what should be applied to each of our daily lives.

New Dress or the simple blessings and love that comes every single day, if you only look for that ray of sunshine that is brought to you..... only for YOU to recognize.

Much love to you Churchmouse and respect to your decision to not post on GWOP.

Blessings to you and yours. And with those blessings, all my thoughts and prayers and blessings to the little Gosselin children.

Wamest Regards,
Julie

Sandy said...

I definitely agree with the sentiment. But those children also need to be taught that they can be successful through good education and hard work. They don't need to "marry well" or reproduce in certain ways to have some nice things. Of course, happiness, family and love far surpass money in importance. But it's also crucial to learn the importance of education and hard work! I doubt there's much of that being talked about in the Gosselin household(s).

she is evil said...

Kate wouldn't waste her time reading anything not in magazine form, especially if it isn't about her. She could give a rat's ass about her kids' happiness, as evidenced by her dismissive, cruel treatment of them and sadly, by the fact that she had so many on purpose despite her appalling lack of maternal drive. In the future, she will value her children depending on what they can do for her. She loves money and notoriety more than she ever loved those sad children. I pity them.

Irene said...

What an awesome insight. I never thought about it.

All I really care about is that those children do not have to be filmed & working. However, the events of Tlc & Kate lead me to believe that is never going to happen in the long run.

It is ashame this world has come to all this chaos. And, to think Kate & Tlc actually believe this is doing best for the kids just blows my mind.

togachris said...

Little Women was one of my favorites as a girl... this passage makes me want to read it all over again. Well, it's winter, I just might!

It is nearly impossible for the Gosselin children to make it into adulthood whole. Their parents actions after the separation says it all when you compare it to Tiger and Elin Woods. Tiger says almost nothing and Elin holes up and licks her wounds, just like I would should my life take a turn for the absolute worst. Not Jon and Kate! They both embark on separate MEDIA campaigns to trash each other publicly. The kids are doomed if that's their idea of how to conduct themselves. Shame on both of them!

dara2K said...

Dear Kate:
You have the spectacle you call a "family" or "R life".You have the house all to yourself now "as far as the eye can see". You get your piggy toes painted and your silly hair did. You have alienated most every loved one in your life that cared. I hope the money hugs you back, Kate. Your children are on a bus three hours a day just to go to school. You have no husband. I hope Jon will survive the awful mess that is his life now. He is the father of your children and deserves a relationship with them. Kate, you have no talent for television or the entertainment industry at all. Without the drama of Jon or the cuteness of 6 little babies or Mady's meltdowns, no one is interested. Your only talent is getting pregnant. I hope you've invested wisely for the sake of your children. Kids can go to public school. A house is not a home without compassion and balance. How much is enough, Kate? To what bounds will you go to humilitate yourself and those your love to get all that "stuff"? Get some therapy for your "insecurity" about being "poor". You'll like it down here with the rest of us humans, Kate. Watch your step. It's a long way down!

Ohio Buckeye said...

Lauren said, "I highly doubt that Kate has ever had any interest in reading "Little Women." After all if it's not about Kate, she's just not into it.

Remember who we are dealing with here - a trained nurse who holds her breath driving past cemeteries because she's afraid of "dead people gasses." She's a certifiable bimbo.

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Clapping! (and LOL!) Great comment!

holding her breath driving past cemetaries/afraid of dead people gasses: obviously, Kate had ISSUES even in childhood.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Ohio, my mother used to say, "You can take the girl off the farm, but you can never take the farm out of the girl."
My new saying, thanks to you, "Once a bimbo, always a bimbo."

Savannah said...

Just caught a quick bit on Hollywood 411 about Kate Gosselin's new look and some garble as she refers to herself as "Clean Slate Kate"?? Not sure, but I think there was a hint of a love interest. Please be gone with her-she sucks!

Sidney said...

Lauren said...
I highly doubt that Kate has ever had any interest in reading "Little Women." After all if it's not about Kate, she's just not into it
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I highly doubt that Kate has any idea who or what "Little Women" is.

A family? A movie? A book? A TV show? What??

Sharla said...

Gentle reminder time. The hair extension discussion belongs in Free Discussion, please.

Can't See Sheep said...

Sidney said...

Lauren said...
I highly doubt that Kate has ever had any interest in reading "Little Women." After all if it's not about Kate, she's just not into it
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I highly doubt that Kate has any idea who or what "Little Women" is.
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kate probably thinks that "Little Women" is yet another of TLC's shows about little people.

Seriously have we ever seen this woman crack a book other than her own? I doubt kate would read a book unless she was in it or TLC paid her to.

Can't See Sheep said...

ChurchMouse I hope it isn't anything serious & that all is well with you. I will certainly miss you & hope that you are not gone for good.

Hopefully the Gosselin children will read this book when they are a little older, it would be very good for them.

cultured my...... said...

No doubt our "cultured" Kate thinks "Little Women" is another TLC series.....

Kelly said...

@Sharla, I apologize for posting off-topic; I was obviously incensed by newest Gosselin news.

Now, to stay on topic:
Little Women was one of my favorite books when I was a little girl. I agree with ChurchMouse and many of the posters here.

I think when you choose to make yourself a public figure (and these days sensational also=public) your ethics will be called into sharp focus.

Jon and Kate have an opportunity to set a good example a la Little Women (and Little Men--remember that book?). I hope for the sake of the kids as well as their own that they will try to trumpet those types of values.

Dianew said...

I Loved, loved loved the book 'Little Women' -- I just wonder, what seriously went wrong in her childhood to create such an evil, ugly person? Both inside and out. There's more to this then I think anyone of us will ever know. She is a product of the environment that she was brought up in.

ToTheMoonAlice said...

The question is "Could Kate still learn from an old idea?"

No...No, she couldn't.

MissysMom said...

My mother always said, "Beauty is as beauty does."

That always put me in my place, I'll tell ya!

OzNTM said...

Lol @ the Little Women being another TLC show comments. Speaking of classics, If Kate is only interested in herself, then I wonder if she ever read the What Katy Did books? Then again, maybe she did read LW - after all, if you cut off your hair, it can bring you big bucks!

anotherthing... said...

You lost me at "Could Kate still learn..."

The answer is no.

No. Kate will not learn. As evident by her uninterrupted appearances in tabloids/on talk shows/making statements etc.

Also proven by her continuous public demonstration of how not to parent/raise a family/divorce publicly/live a reasonable life.

Nope. Kate will never learn a darn thing. Even though people literally mock her on national TV for being so dense and making such bad decisions. And her life crumbles around her. Nope. wont learn....

Melissa said...

I think that, to be willing to learn, you also have to be willing to recognize your faults.

Kate will never see herself as at fault.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Another Thing: applause for a great way of saying it. I agree with your comment.

I've read that one definition of insanity includes attempting over and over and over again to do the exact same thing, always expecting a different outcome.

And dear Katie is going to keep trying to be famous and 'special' for as long as anyone gives her any chance at all to stay in the spotlight. I believe there is very little she will be unwilling to do in order to achieve/keep her 'fame'.

"Mommie Dearest" and "Sunset Avenues" ought to be perpetually on Katie's Netflix list.

Charles said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

I've read that one definition of insanity includes attempting over and over and over again to do the exact same thing, always expecting a different outcome.
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That must mean Kate AND Eileen O'Neill have both gone over the edge.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@ Charles: I agree: I think yours is a fair assessment of Kate and Eileen. Birds of a feather...

Gimme Gimme said...

To me the virtues of Little Women are those that should be instilled in childhood. I don't think it would be possible to acquire these virtues very much later in life. There is something terribly "off" about Kate's childhood and as that type of thing is commonly passed through generations it appears that she is passing it off to her children as well. There is usually one that is spared and that appears to be Hannah. There is also usually a sacrificial lamb in the type of families that have these generational anomalies and that appears to be either Aaden or Joel or Maddy or maybe all three. The sacrificial lamb was most likely Kate in her family and one might possibly find strength in her in that she survived her childhood with head held high albeit too high if she were not so vile and dark.

It is sad to say that these children were doomed from the start (and Kate would have had an awareness of that when she chose to bear children) whether they had or had not ever been filmed and that filming may have been their "saving grace" as I think Kate's rebellious spirit was her saving grace.

Unfortunately fame and fortune has unleased the monster within and it will only go down from here..there is no upside. She will never change but will continue in her downward spiral.

In my opinion that is.

Zayna said...

Melissa said:

"I think that, to be willing to learn, you also have to be willing to recognize your faults.

Kate will never see herself as at fault."

I totally agree. I do believe that anyone can change at any point in their lives but the ruling factor is accepting you need to change.

A lot of people are never able to see their own faults and spend their entire lives blaming everyone else.

Unfortunately, and I say that for the sake of the kids because otherwise I wouldn't give a rat's ass, I see Kate as one of those people who will forever blame others.

She got everything she wanted in life and it didn't make her one iota grateful...it only made her think she's entitled.

Sad, sad, sad.

TandLMommy28 said...

kate probably thinks that "Little Women" is yet another of TLC's shows about little people.

Seriously have we ever seen this woman crack a book other than her own? I doubt kate would read a book unless she was in it or TLC paid her to.

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No, no, no! Kate hears "Little Women" and thinks "Oh that must be that other TLC show that will never be as successful as mine!"