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Tami said...

Now is the time for Jon to wake up. He was so passive that he has allowed Kate to continue to control him. Wake up, Jon! She is succeeding in making people think she is actually a mom to these kids. Why did you let this happen? you just don't care anymore, do you? Wow. Now what?

Brummygirl said...

I just watched Kate on the Jay Leno Show. There was either a time lag or she just did not understand the questions right away. Her answers were hesitant.
She actually tried to sing, saying that she could sing.
Kate, don't give up your day job of cheating, lying and being an awful Mother. Broadway AINT GONNA CALL Kate just the same as Columbia Films, if they even know who you are. They have talent out there who can REALLY act and they my dear, have charisma, where you are simply delusional.
It must be nice to live in a Walter Mitty world. Do you even know who he was?

alana said...

Hate looked like Mr. Ed on Jay Leno. Was it my television set or did her teeth suddenly get too big for her mouth? And that time-delayed PHONY cackle; she needs to take laughing lessons. Everytime she opened her mouth, I heard Mr. Ed neighing and whinnying.

MickeyMcKean said...

I just watched Kate on Jay Leno and I can sum it up in 3 words: painful to watch.

Now I realize that Jay Leno had her on his show for the ratings, but IMO all it did was to prove that real people are sick and tired of all things Gosselin. After all, the show is over and now their divorce is finalized, and as if to prove my point even the studio audience was pretty much quiet during this entire segment!

Sooooo Kate is supposed to have her own show in 2010? Based on what, her um personality? Uh huh. If nothing else, tonight Kate demonstrated all by herself that she does not have "IT" and a year from now we will all be saying "Kate WHO?"

For the Moment? said...

Kate got caught in another one of her lies about Playboy. Because didn't she say on the view (for no apparent reason) that the tabloids were reporting she had been asked to do Playboy and that it was not true and everyone just looked at her like where did that come from? Then on Leno proclaimed proudly that they had asked her and she of course turned icky Playboy down (he was asking about endorsements not photo spreads). I don't believe it. I think that is all in her head. She can't have a conversation in the media without mentioning the paparazzi and Playboy, oh and the kids. Kate was the only one laughing.

MickeyMcKean said...

Re: Jon's Child Support

When Kate's atty requested from Jon's atty his salary for all of Jon's recent TV appearances, it was so the court could determine the amount of child support Jon could afford based upon his *income*.

Now that TLC has an injunction and Jon is not allowed to be working in TV, in addition to the fact that Jon is now too famous to get a real job in IT, all Jon has to do is to file a hardship (or whatever it is called in PA) with the court and the rumored $10,000/month payment will be dismissed.

That's right, Kate will have to learn that one cannot get blood out of a turnip.

For the record I'm ornery ... so if I were Jon I would move out of my apartment in NY (which of course lets Hailey learn the hard way that her 15 minutes are up and she can move in with the new guy she was kissing no doubt for publicity purposes for this weekend's boxing fiasco she is hosting) and move back home with his mom and get a job at McDonalds (if Kate can, so can Jon!).

That way if Jon makes $8/hour, child support takes 25% of that income and Kate will have to use her own money to make up the difference in supporting the kids and living the lifestyle she feels she is entitled to live. In a short period of time Kate would also be forced to take a real job rather quickly too once her show flops ... assuming of course that her show ever gets off the ground in 2010 after last night's appearance on Jay Leno!

Kim in Berks County said...

There's an article in today's Reading Eagle ( Sat. 19th ) that says their divorce was finalized on Friday. She got the house & kids.

suze said...

Just because she sang on a late-night show, doesn't mean she as aspirations for Broadway.

cjmiller53 said...

I don't know if this has ever been asked before but I hope someone will answer. At one time it was mentioned that GWOP stemmed from the Television Without Pity site. Why did it not stay there? I really like the way it is conducted here and have no complaints at all but I'm curious because I remember reading that Jon was responding aggressively towards negative posts on some sites and wonder if this was one of them. Thanks.

MyKidsAreKoreanToo said...

I saw Khate on Leno last night, too. There was a delay due to the satellite hookup, so her insane cackling sounded even worse when it didn't match up to the jokes. It was really cringe-worthy-ish. Also, her face??!! What is up with that. Where will she be in 10 years? On one of those "plastic surgery disasters" shows. Also, when Leno asked what her fave song on her iPod was, it was "Paparazzi" by . What a tool.

Zayna said...

Brummygirl - Hahahaha, love the Walter Mitty reference. Spot on.

It may not happen tomorrow, next week or even next year but the day will come when Kate will wake up to REAL reality.

The day will come when Kate's imaginations of celebrity will finally give way to the fact that she's really just a divorced mother of 8 who threw her ex under the bus to maintain a lifestyle she acquired off the backs of her kids.

At best she'll be a footnote in the history of reality tv.

And someone might want to tell Kate that there's a BIG difference between being FAMOUS and INFAMOUS.

I'm sure that's been said before but I think it bears repeating.

PutASockInIt said...

I posted this in the wrong place:

Watched her highness on Jay Leno (on youtube)this morning. One of the questions he asked her was if there was a reality show she would want to be on. She immediately says 'Dancing With The Stars'.

Mark my words, I bet she'll be on there. GAG.

fostersmom said...

cjmiller53 said...
I don't know if this has ever been asked before but I hope someone will answer. At one time it was mentioned that GWOP stemmed from the Television Without Pity site. Why did it not stay there? I really like the way it is conducted here and have no complaints at all but I'm curious because I remember reading that Jon was responding aggressively towards negative posts on some sites and wonder if this was one of them. Thanks.


Jon didn't have anything to do with the closing of the TWoP thread. GWoP was born after TWoP kept locking the Jon & Kate thread. There was a lot of passionate posters, either loving or hating J&K and the show, and it became too much for TWoP to want to moderate. So they kept locking the thread. GWoP was born out of one of the lock downs, people wanted a place to still discuss the show. Finally TWoP closed the J&K thread for good and ended all show discussion there. Since GWoP was already open, a lot of people ended up discussing here.

Pa Mom Knows said...

A"nd someone might want to tell Kate that there's a BIG difference between being FAMOUS and INFAMOUS.

I'm sure that's been said before but I think it bears repeating."

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Why? It doesn't matter. Narcissists don't care if they are famous or infamous as long as they get the attention they feel that they so richly deserve!

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Now that TLC has an injunction and Jon is not allowed to be working in TV, in addition to the fact that Jon is now too famous to get a real job in IT, all Jon has to do is to file a hardship (or whatever it is called in PA) with the court and the rumored $10,000/month payment will be dismissed.

That's right, Kate will have to learn that one cannot get blood out of a turnip."

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I don't think so. Not in PA. He is capable of earning that much, and if he doesn't pay up, they will be back in court for non-support and he could be faced with jail time. It doesn't matter if he is a bloodless turnip. If he received a division of assets, he can use those funds to begin paying support. Courts don't care where it comes from, only that he pays. I've seen courts try to squeeze blood from the turnip to the point that the turnip was forced to take three jobs because the courts decided he was capable of earning that money and the support judgment stood. One can file for "hardship," but PA courts are tough.

Aunt Chris said...

When Kate mentioned her superstition of holding her breath when she passed a cemetary she mention that she thought she might die young if she didn't. Then of course the slam of "it would have saved me a lot of misery." cacklecackle...

No Kate, it would have saved US a lot of misery.

my9cats said...

PutASockInIt said...

I posted this in the wrong place:

Watched her highness on Jay Leno (on youtube)this morning. One of the questions he asked her was if there was a reality show she would want to be on. She immediately says 'Dancing With The Stars'.

Mark my words, I bet she'll be on there. GAG.
12/19/2009 10:25 AM

Yea. And the witch will win too because she is a poor single mom with 8, count 'em 8 children, struggling to make a living in this cold cruel world.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Didn't catch Khate on Leno. His show has tanked in the new format. I doubt that Khate's appearance has helped. Here's hoping that this is the last of Can't Do Khate and her talkshow appearances.

Jill said...

The entire bit on Leno last night with Hate was scripted - that was as painfully obvious as it was to watch. She has this "tell" whenever she's trying to remember her lines - her eyebrows arch up and her eyes get huge, it's actually a very common tick for someone who is nervous and trying to regurgitate lines... at least someone who can't act to save their life. Her show is going to be a trainwreck if she's the only one holding it together. Yet another low for the history of television!

ErinKate said...

Barf! I just saw the video of Kate on Leno. They are really pushing her a little too hard. By the way, have you noticed NBC Dateline shows are popping up on TLC. Now we can see the connection.

Wilbur said...

Alana, please don't insult Mr. Ed. LOL!!

Merrilee said...

On the day her divorce is final, the evil K goes on TV to yuk it up with Jay Leno.

She hasn't lost her cackle.

I was hoping she would have been coached by her handlers to be more lady like.

Charles said...

PutASockInIt said...
I posted this in the wrong place:

Watched her highness on Jay Leno (on youtube)this morning. One of the questions he asked her was if there was a reality show she would want to be on. She immediately says 'Dancing With The Stars'.

Mark my words, I bet she'll be on there. GAG.

12/19/2009 10:25 AM
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Actually, that is one show I would NOT mind seeing her on.

She would actually have to be able to achieve something to stay on the show.

I wish she would be the next to the last couple going down. That way, she would also know the agony of defeat, after all her hard work to learn the dances.

She should learn the hard way that something is actually expected of those who win in life.

xoxo said...

It seems that Kate had a mini face lift. That's why her face looks like an alien. Now Kate looks like Jon Rivers, who had tons of plastic surgeries.

Brummygirl said...

Suze said:
Just because she sang on a late-night show, doesn't mean she as aspirations for Broadway.
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She touts for anything she thinks she can get. In her head, she is a "can do" anything girl!!! Except Playboy of course, because she cannot make up her mind whether they asked her or not!!!

Merry X'mas said...

Now they finalize the divorce. Done! It's the nail to the coffin. It answers the questions many people ask whether it's all just an act for ratings or maybe they will be back together. Now you know the answer is no. It's real. It's not a PR stunt.

So now the curiosity level is 0. If they do air Kate's new show, no one will care. Just like after they announce divorce the ratings plummeted. Now the divorce is signed, finalized, and approved by the judge, what's left for curiosity? Nothing. Plus Tiger totally stole Gosselin's thunder.

Brummygirl said...

PutASockInIt said...
Watched her highness on Jay Leno (on youtube)this morning. One of the questions he asked her was if there was a reality show she would want to be on. She immediately says 'Dancing With The Stars'.

Mark my words, I bet she'll be on there. GAG.
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Please no!!!!! That is the one show I really enjoy. Can you see her galloping around in the quickstep and trying to point her feet and those very large hands?
Then there is the jive....oh my...actually, it would not be the first time she has shown her knickers in public!!!!

Lisa said...

I hope so much that they won't put her on Dancing with the Stars!!! I love that show and have watched even when they have put on people that I don't necessarily like, but I refuse to watch if she's on there. She is NOT a star and I'm sick of her pretending that she is. I feel sick right now......WHY???

Tami said...

For the record I'm ornery ... so if I were Jon I would move out of my apartment in NY (which of course lets Hailey learn the hard way that her 15 minutes are up and she can move in with the new guy she was kissing no doubt for publicity purposes for this weekend's boxing fiasco she is hosting) and move back home with his mom and get a job at McDonalds (if Kate can, so can Jon!).
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I'll bet he is too desperate to hang onto his last bit of "fame" and to his ex also. He figures if he moves out he'll lose her forever. How creepy if they really live together broken up! He does need to scrape together some pride and get out and get his life in order though! Move in with your brother, Jon. Then figure out how to make a real living because you are not going to be a star just because some crazy lunatic used your sperm to have a bunch of kids! Don't worry, she will fail soon also! But in the meantime, make some income and by all means, FIGHT the ruling that says Kate is primary parent, gets the house and all the money! The kids are half yours as is the money and home! Without you she would have earned zero! Oh, and fire your sneaky lawyer and stay away from all the losers you have associated yourself with!

anotherthing... said...

I know weve all said it before, but Ill say it again... karma will catch her.

All of the crap she spews (ex: Leno) will catch up to her.

She is not above the laws of the universe: primarily the rules of attaction... you get what you put out there. And when she starts geting what shes been putting out in the universe... oh. Its not gonna be pretty.

Dunwoody Mom said...

He is capable of earning that much, and if he doesn't pay up, they will be back in court for non-support and he could be faced with jail time.

That is incorrect. There is a formula that is used to calculate child support payments. It does not take into consideration what one is "capable" of making, but the income one currently has.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Put a Sock In It: Unless her handlers/agents are currently in the process of working a deal to include Katan on "Dancing With The Stars," it's hard to imagine Katan dancing.

Not only does the woman possess zero EMOTIONAL grace, but neither have we ever seen any evidence of physical grace/fluidity.

Her stride is mannish and looks like a person wearing cinder blocks on her feet while pulling a plow.

Katan was always so proud of refusing to participate in any physical activities with her spouse and kids (my personal fave was when she claimed she could not roller skate because she 'couldn't risk being hurt' BECAUSE her beloved children needed her too much).

Also, recall the cringe-ish oh-so-romantic post vow renewal wedding couple dance - even then they seemed a couple devoid of emotional intimacy. It was actually uncomfortable to watch because they seemed so ill at ease being physically close to each other, and they certainly did not meld together in any kind of synchronous dance unit.

Kate dancing? When performed well, dance is an expression of emotion. Katan has no genuine emotion (other than anger and frustration), so if dumb enough to do such a thing, it will just be one more way Katan is willing to make an arse of herself on tv.

The singing? Well, I recall in earlier seasons, Jon made a couple comments that Kate has a nice singing voice and that she participated in their church choir. Of course, this was right around the time TLC was thinking about hawking a Gosselin Happy Life Tune on a CD or as part of their DVDs, so probably this was just preparation for one more product placement.

Bottom line, I wish Katan would take her two left feet and dance herself right off all tv screens. Buh Bye, you no talent embarrassment to your gender.

gherkin said...

Go the the MSNBC site and they have 10 "cultural predictions for 2010". Number 2 is Jon and Kate getting back together! Says they both love money and the limelight and they can see this happening even if it is a sham.

MickeyMcKean said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
"Now that TLC has an injunction and Jon is not allowed to be working in TV, in addition to the fact that Jon is now too famous to get a real job in IT, all Jon has to do is to file a hardship (or whatever it is called in PA) with the court and the rumored $10,000/month payment will be dismissed.

That's right, Kate will have to learn that one cannot get blood out of a turnip."

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I don't think so. Not in PA. He is capable of earning that much, and if he doesn't pay up, they will be back in court for non-support and he could be faced with jail time. It doesn't matter if he is a bloodless turnip. If he received a division of assets, he can use those funds to begin paying support. Courts don't care where it comes from, only that he pays. I've seen courts try to squeeze blood from the turnip to the point that the turnip was forced to take three jobs because the courts decided he was capable of earning that money and the support judgment stood. One can file for "hardship," but PA courts are tough.

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Jon WAS capable of making that much when he was employed but not now, and I would think that his ace in the hole is that it is a matter of MD court record that he is no longer allowed to work in television so he should file a hardship.

There is no guarantee that he can ever make that level of salary in any field other than television, and if a judge in MD has ruled he cannot work in television, how can a judge in PA demand that he does it anyway?

It does not make sense so I believe Jon should file a hardship based on his current earning power, not his past earnings.

Jon may or may not have earning power in the IT field but after his absence from that field for a few years and in the current economic market where jobs are scarce, I don't even know if he is employable even if he wasn't "famous".

Again, I don't see that Jon has a choice but to file a hardship under the current circumstances, and I think his atty dropped the ball by not informing the arbitrator of this change due to the MD court decision before the divorce was finalized.

Now, if a PA judge's response is to put Jon in jail for nonpayment of child support because he cannot work in TV per a MD judge I would think that the whole situation would be asinine and I would assume that the PA taxpayers would be screaming about them picking up the tab for Jon's room and board.

Here is another scenario - what if Jon was a professional golfer and he sustained a career ending injury, how is he still to maintain child support payments as if he was still playing golf?

Life happens, jobs change, salaries change and in family law you file petitions to keep the court updated to the current events. The courts all use formulas to determine what you can and cannot afford and in Jon's case, the sooner they reevaluate his current earning potential the better things will be for Jon.

JMO.

GoPoshGo said...

Charles said...
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She should learn the hard way that something is actually expected of those who win in life.

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Well said, Charles -- I agree with your whole post. DWTS would literally bring Kate to her knees. Let's face it, she's about as graceful as a spirited elephant, and it's highly unlikely that she'd be able to keep up with the other contestants. Unless they pair her up with one of the professional female dancers and allowed Kate to do the male "leading," she wouldn't make it past the first elimination.

I agree, Charles: DWTS is one of the few reality shows that requires some skill, grace, and tenacity, and, given that Kate embodies none of these qualities, it would be a quick lesson in humility for the Queen.

Okay, who am I kidding. The lesson would be completely lost on Katie Irene. Still, I think we'd all enjoy watching her stumble ... literally and figuratively.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

I just saw the Jay Leno clip --- OMG it was WORSE than anyone had described! The Khateful Kackle and Phoney Baloney smile made me ill. She proved once again that her mind is as uncoordinated as her body.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Leno's audience roared when he said we can all agree that Jon is an idiot and a moron.

How sad. I only hope someone who loves Jon will advise him wisely.

Yippee Gosselin free said...

I guess Jon is a better actor than I thought. He really doesn't care about his children at all!

Kids, here is the lesson: when you throw morality out the door, in an effort to elevate your "self esteem" you end up worse than you ever were.

And when you give up your family's privacy for financial security, you end up with neither.

Jon, go to drug and alcohol treatment.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Kids First: "Aaden will be elected PA state senator and work to change the child labor laws. Cara will work for UNICEF and save children from poverty and despair. Mady will champion animal rights through Peta and have her own personal rescue ranch for unwanted German Shepards. Their "mom" will live alone on the New Jersey shore, chain smoking and have cataracts, self-bleached high lights and long hairs on her chin."

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Hilarious, Kids! LoL! Especially "the long hairs on her chin"!

And she will, to the grave, continue to take all credit for any good while continuing to blame everyone else for every single bad outcome.

That's Our Little Katie.
Blech.

jibberjabbers said...

The court cannot forced someone to pay child support based on "what they are capable of earning".

They can only calculate Child Support based on current income.

Jon has zero income. This proves that the Judge handling the case is retarded.

You can't force Jon to pay child support on the assets he received from the divorce settlement.

Kate already stated that she was thrilled that the judge awarded her the house and a bigger percentage of the assets.

Kate doesn't need Child support, and Jon can't pay it.

So what do we have next? Jon goes to jail? Or Jon allows the kids to film?

Something isn't adding up.

Ravello said...

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but TV guide has a great diss om the KONS for 2009 Cheers and Jeers section.
Jeers to Jon and Kate for the worst example of parenting since Joan Crawford. The Schrew and the Schlub are more interested in duking it out with each other than protecting their brood from a lifetime of embarassment.

Bubbles said...

Dunwoody Mom said...

That is incorrect. There is a formula that is used to calculate child support payments. It does not take into consideration what one is "capable" of making, but the income one currently has

Actually, the courts will, at least in my state, calculate what one could potentially be making (it's called imputing income). Otherwise deadbeats could stay unemployed and claim they can't pay because they don't have any income. So if the courts cannot base the formula on actual numbers provided by the parents, they will impute the income based on what the parent has the capability of making based on various factors, including their current ability to work, their previous jobs/salary, etc.

They will also use this method if a parent is trying to make the other parent pay more than their share by staying unemployed.

could have told ya said...

From TMZ:

"With her appearance on that Jay Leno thing last night, we can now say with 100% certainty Kate Gosselin has absolutely no on-camera talent whatsoever ... beyond yelling at children, of course."

http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/19/kate-gosselin-jay-leno-video/

Snerk said...

From a court case PA still considers applicable:

We agree with the Superior Court, with the proviso that parents are legally obligated to provide only for the reasonable expenses of raising their children. See Tubb v. Middlebrooks, 379 So.2d 1272, 1274 (Ala.Civ.App.1979) (emphasis added) ("It is the rule that the amount of support a parent may be required to pay is to be determined by the reasonable needs of the children and the reasonable ability of the parent to pay.").



Someone missed reasonable ability to pay or else Jon got a much, much heftier settlement than most people believe.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"The court cannot forced someone to pay child support based on "what they are capable of earning".

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Of course they can! It's done every day! If a spouse goes into court working at a minimal wage job, and he has a doctorate in engineering, courts are going to determine the amount of support by his earning capability. He may have quit a high-paying job, taken a minimal wage job to escape hefty child support payments. The courts are not stupid. They look at everything.

Refer to the Jim McGreevey (former NJ governor) settlement. The judge ruled McGreevey, who was elected governor in November 2001, was "underemployed" and found him capable of making $175,000 a year, far above the $48,000 he earns as a consultant and part-time professor at Kean University. He had also joined an Episcopalian seminary in New York and was studying to be a priest.

Jane in California said...

PutASockInIt said...

I posted this in the wrong place:

Watched her highness on Jay Leno (on youtube)this morning. One of the questions he asked her was if there was a reality show she would want to be on. She immediately says 'Dancing With The Stars'.

Mark my words, I bet she'll be on there. GAG.
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Well, DWTS had that horrible Tom Delay on last season. I didn't watch until he got voted off. If they have Kateful on, I won't watch for the entire season. She's not a star! She's a woman who pretended to have fertility problems so she could undergo a procedure much more likely to produce multiple babies. Then she made those babies work their butts off.

Can you imagine how much of a clod hopper she would be? She has no grace, no natural flow or rhthym. I would pity the professional dancer who got assigned to her. Although, if it were Maxim -- that might actually be rather interesting as he doesn't put up with crap from the stars!

Jane in California said...

I speak from personal experience, both mine and my friends who have dealt with child support issues. It is one thing to get an order for child support. It is quite another to enforce that order.

As another poster has speculated, Jon may have some much greater assets than we have believed. Perhaps he and Kate agreed to a split of the money they had in savings/otherwise. As to his income, I presume that he had to produce tax returns for the last year or two or three. Since the show was going on then, his income was fairly decent.

If he doesn't want to pay $10K in child support, he's got a built in reason why he can't - TLC won't let him out of his contract to make paid appearances elsewhere. He feels that having the children continue filming in not good for them (and I think most judges would listen seriously to any argument in his favor). Therefore, his income will dramatically drop.

So he pays the higher amount for awhile, then when times are lean, he goes in and seeks a modification. It's not that big of a deal. It will then be up to Kate's attorneys to prove that he is earning more than he says he is, if they want to keep that higher level of support.

Finally, he can just pay what he can afford and once again, Kate will have to get attorneys involved to seek the rest. If he truly doesn't have it, then he doesn't have it.

He can live with family, and look for work and be unable to find any. He can take a job during the winter as a ski instructor. If I were Jon, I'd look for a job that pays a decent income and then apply for modification of the order. That's all.

But most of all, I would continue to refuse the filming to continue. Don't let TLC browbeat you Jon. The longer you hold out, the older the children get, and the more the public loses interest in seeing them. Hang in there, TLC will take its pound of flesh from you and then move on to its next victim.

Jane in California said...

I just had a thought of how Jon could earn a little income, but he won't be able to do it until his contract with TLC is over and done with. When he is once again a free man, he should develop his own speaking engagements telling about what it was really like living in a reality show, the cost of that fame, how it impacted the children, and why he would or would not advise people to follow in his footsteps.

He could also talk about how his childhood affected his decisions as an adult, how he had trouble growing up and being responsible, but now that he went through the fire, how he lives now and what he's learned from the experience.

I think people would be interested. And he could do it on the side for extra income. When the kids were 18 or older and if they wanted to, they could also talk about their experiences.

GoPoshGo said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...
Leno's audience roared when he said we can all agree that Jon is an idiot and a moron.

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Shame on Leno for commenting on a situation/person I'm sure he knows nothing about. Kate was on his show to boost his pitiful ratings, and so his monologue was written to be pro-Kate. I'm embarrassed for him that he has to stoop to such a low level. Completely unnecessary and downright dirty poker in my book.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

TMZ:

"With her appearance on that Jay Leno thing last night we can now say with 100% certainty Kate Gosselin has absoslutely no on-camera talent whatsoever .. beyond yelling at children, of course."

No Drama Mama said...

RE: Child Support

More than likely, the figured out his child support based on what he was making as a TLC employee. That is his last job and that is the figure that was most likely used.

Jon CAN file a modification BUT and this is a HUGE BUT.... He has already proven himself to have the ability to make big bucks thanks to TLC. Yes, this amount DOES come into play! He COULD go and get a job at BK and file a modification however.... he would need to have a good lawyer and sympathetic judge for that to happen.

Betty said...

There will be a point probably within the next year where Jon will not be able to meet a large child support requirement unless he wins the lawsuit against TLC and collects major money. He has no real education and no real skills. I agree the arbitrator looked at the tax returns and said based on this, you should be able to contribute this amount. We all know that isn't realistic.

Jon will need to get a job but does anyone really think he's going to get something paying $200,000 a year or more? He might for one year if he writes a tell all book or as someone else suggested tries the speaking circuit but those are limited opportunities. The long view is the best Jon can hope for is about $40,000 a year if that. Reality is reality and yes the court can tell a deadbeat to go to work, or an engineer to go get a job in line with their education and past. However, Jon's past is spotty and not too great with one unique bump. The reality show track isn't going to come around again and the court will look foolish on appeal if they don't recognize that. OTOH, the arbitrator probably thought that he/she should go with the recent past even though Jon is currently unemployed. Too bad it means a revision is pretty much inevitable. The law in Pennsylvania does say that child support requirements do have to be reasonable.

anotherthing... said...

I was reading the new comments and something hit me.

Maybe, just maybe, Jon *is* making some decent money right now. Royalties from the show, the 'book'. They cant make him pay a certain amount unless he can.... right???

I have no idea what he might be getting and I have made several assumptions in the past (and still maintain) that they simply cant afford what they have bought/the way they live.

And while I do truly believe that...

...what financial institution would lend those two morons $900K for the McMansion if they werent somehow 'good for it'? What assets do they have? And how in the world would they convince a bank that they could afford it? (A bank doesnt give a flip who they are, only that their loan is secure. So, no 'wooing' there.)

Also...
$22,500 per episode, right? over 100 epis. Do the math. Plus "kates" book. And appearances. And residuals.

So. We can assume that the $7500 they each put in the joint account a month is basic household needs for the kids. And probably doesnt include tuition (paid yearly?).

Next lets talk about the non-basic needs. Lets start with Kate: The cars. Luaghable choices. Most likely leases. Ballpark $1k a month for kates. Spa $500. Steve ($1k/day?? was that what it was?). Nannies (oh someone help me here... no kids). Chef/food being brought in (eh... $30per person per meal min). Shopping (sky is the limit). Nails ($100/month). Hair (could be up to $500/month). PR people. Assistants. Consultants for her 'look/brand' and such. Attorneys (divorce and entertainment law etc). Accountants. (no idea on these last ones... if anyone can chime in, please do... also if i left smething out.)

Jon: Ny apartment. Cars. Dining out. Attorney. PR. Therapy.

Soooo... I guess what Im saying is that we dont know how much Jon is making. I know quite a few complete MORONS who make a decent living: it can happen.

And to have secured a mortgage like that... well. I dont know.

I really whole heartedly believe they are the type to live on credit and be broke but maintain appearances. I also think that the money will be gone soon. And neither one of them have a plan B. Or any sort of talent/are interesting enough to carry a show on their own. But it does make me wonder.

MickeyMcKean said...

To: PA Mom Knows

I have no knowledge of the Jim McGreevey settlement whatsoever.

What I do know is that Jon Gosselin does not have a doctorate in anything, or more to the point, an Oscar, Emmy or Golden Globe that has been awarded to him due to his acting or interviewing talent. Besides, one does not have to be a rocket scientist to know that steady acting jobs even for the A listers are hard to come by on a regular basis.

Besides Jon is nothing more than a reality TV personality and his 15 minutes of fame are up. Now if a judge in PA cannot determine for himself that things change in TV land due to ratings then perhaps there is something wrong in the PA judicial system.

In other words, IMHO if a family law judge in PA still wants to hold Jon accountable for income that he could make in television -- without at the same time forcing a father to once again exploit his children in order to make said child support payments -- so be it.

The bottom line is that the rumored monthly 5 figure child support payment is Jon's problem, not mine, not yours, and we really don't know all the details anyway.

On a side note I recently learned from a friend who was serving time in a CA prison for a DUI that his child support payments stopped completely while he was incarcerated. Also, even though he is out and he wants to take care of his child, he is still unemployed and will be filing a hardship petition. See even if he can make decent money, in this economy in this area there are simply no jobs for him. It is what it is. This economy sucks!

fidosmommy said...

A person I know has to pay child support according to his CURRENT WAGES, not his current net worth.
His parents left him something in their will, but the court was not interested in that, only what he was making from his job.

He had a decent government job and paid a fairly high child support. He lost that job (he's got a lot of Jon Gosselin in him) and his CS payments went down to nearly nothing. He got several part time jobs and his CS payments went back up to a moderate level. As he lost those jobs one by one, his CS payments went down. Last I heard he was paying about $30/month for his 2 kids. Seriously.

And the state has to garnish his wages to get it because he keeps "forgetting" to pay his CS.
Loser.

jibberjabbers said...

Pa Mom Knows said...

"The court cannot forced someone to pay child support based on "what they are capable of earning".

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Of course they can! It's done every day! If a spouse goes into court working at a minimal wage job, and he has a doctorate in engineering, courts are going to determine the amount of support by his earning capability. He may have quit a high-paying job, taken a minimal wage job to escape hefty child support payments. The courts are not stupid. They look at everything.

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So you're saying Jon is capable of paying 10k a month?

Really? What job is he doing?

Where is this income coming from?

silimom said...

http://www.realitytea.com/2009/12/19/jon-gosselin-“i-don’t-want-to-lose-my-kids”-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

Apparently, and in full acknowledgement that he was violating the MD court order, Jon talked to the press.

The man is an idiot. I understand he feels attacked and depressed however he continues to refuse to use the good sense God gave him and just shut up. At least until the MD case is over in April.

If anyone from Jon and Kate's family reads this, Please Please PLEASE try and talk some sense into him. Offer to be his mouth piece if need be. Life isn't fair, and I'm sure he's feeling put out, but he's being self destructive and someone needs to speak the truth in love with him and hold an intervention. He is not helping himself or his kids. He's just being passive aggressive.

Ravello said...

One more prediction, someday the kids will know that millions of strangers were more concerned about their well being than Kate and Jon.

Jane in California said...

TMZ:

"With her appearance on that Jay Leno thing last night we can now say with 100% certainty Kate Gosselin has absoslutely no on-camera talent whatsoever .. beyond yelling at children, of course."

12/19/2009 5:15 PM
Blogger No Drama Mama said...

RE: Child Support

More than likely, the figured out his child support based on what he was making as a TLC employee. That is his last job and that is the figure that was most likely used.

Jon CAN file a modification BUT and this is a HUGE BUT.... He has already proven himself to have the ability to make big bucks thanks to TLC. Yes, this amount DOES come into play! He COULD go and get a job at BK and file a modification however.... he would need to have a good lawyer and
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What I do wonder about though - is the fact that the reason Jon's income was greater in recent prior years was because they were earning a set amount per episode for their family reality show. Technically, it was the children who were the draw and the reason for the amount of viewership. I guess I find it hard to think that a judge could or would insist that "Jon" keep earning as much as in prior years in the only way he can - by allowing the kids to be filmed again.

That's not holding Jon to his prior employment, that's holding minor children to their employment. I'm sure that TLC hopes this will be a strong bargaining chip in their corner -- hey better let us film your kids or we'll make sure that you are hounded for child support.

I still contend that if Jon wants to dig his heels in, it will be mighty hard to really make him do anything he doesn't want to. He's already reviled in public - so no change there if they publicize that he can't pay his support.

TLC isn't offering him any show of his own, but they won't let him go out and earn money separate from TLC in a public fashion.

It just isn't technically true that Jon's earning capacity hasn't changed. His "earning capacity" was based on making his kids work. That just can't be a fair way to assess anyone's earning capacity.

Betty said...

Book royalties are a done deal. Have you seen it for sale anywhere lately? They don't get residuals for the show. TLC owns it. They were paid $20K plus for "the family" per episode of season four only. Earlier seasons were less - a LOT less.

MickeyMcKean said...

silimom said...

http://www.realitytea.com/2009/12/19/jon-gosselin-“i-don’t-want-to-lose-my-kids”-ordered-to-pay-child-support/

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I read the above article.

What struck me as funny is that this is the first time that I have heard of this web site which made me wonder why Jon would contact them versus calling ET or THE INSIDER where he knows the people personally.

In other words, how do we really know that Jon did in fact make a call in the first place?

It was a phone call - how do they know it was Jon on the other end and not a Kate supporter doing a prank call?

One of the things I have realized in paying attention to this trainwreck is that some rag mags will make up things as they go along because they wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the butt.

Shoshanna said...

Saw the Leno clip.
Kate sounded demented. She could barely answer
a single question and, when she did, it was
totally lame.
And the delay made her unbearable laugh
sound even phonier than it usually is.

She came off sounding like the ignorant
person she actually is.

And this is the person who wants a talk show
and a career in the movies? Oh, please!

Pa Mom Knows said...

"So you're saying Jon is capable of paying 10k a month?

Really? What job is he doing?

Where is this income coming from?"

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I didn't say that at all. I have no idea what he is capable of paying. What I said was that the courts look at his capability at paying child support in that amount. They sit down and look at his earning potential and figure it out from there. We don't know HOW the courts determined that. We only know that this is the amount they came up with.
I don't know where the income is coming from, and I'm willing to bet he doesn't know either at this point. They also look at his assets and what he walked away with from the settlement. Maybe he had more squirreled away than we know. The courts don't care how he pays, only that he pays, and apparently they determined he has the ability to pay. Has the $10,000 per month been confirmed by anyone? If he and his attorneys determine that, once he does find employment, that this figure is beyond the scope of what he is able to pay, he can head back into court with his pay stubs and ask for a modification. Whether he would get it is anyone's guess.

Tami said...

Jon has to pay child support because Kate was awarded primary custody. The question is why? Why was she awarded that? Or did he just sign off and agree to it? If she did not have it he would not be in this boat having to pay what he can't afford. And now that they are saying he is not entitled to the house (again, WHY??) how will he do his visitations? It makes it clear that way back when she did the 'mine all mine' thing and had that nasty attitude, calling him in to wipe butts and getting violent with the fridge and making that speech about how the kids will never come in the bedroom and tried to get Jon to explain to them why not, that she was already thinking she owned this house and he had no right to it. How could he let her force him to live in a garage and not have a place inside his house? He is still letting her call all the shots and it is sick. Had it fought it, he probably could have proven that he spent more time taking care of the kids than she did.

PattyWithNoPity said...

Watch the clip again; she is waving her right hand around (she is lefthanded) and looks to me like there is some new bling she wanted to give some camera time to! Could it be the OFT mentioned motherofpearl 8 diamond thing ring she wanted!?
I caught that; now I gotta go back and check out the plastic surgery..CACKLE CACKLE...!

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Extensive financial details are required before any court appearance. Jon has stated they made $1,000,000 last year. Obviously, child support was based on that figure. He told the media that he is paid over $20k/month.
Too bad the judge forgot to take into consideration that he only has a few weeks of his TLC contract remaining ... and then ...

no more TLC said...

The reason why Kate is on many talk shows is because TLC and her agent want to create the buzz for her. The hope that will lead to something. Will she get a talk show on major networks? No way the major network executives will green light the project after they saw Kate's pathetic performance on several talk shows.

Even Paula Deen has been trying to get her own talk show on national TV for years. She still doesn't get one. Selling shows to major networks is a very tough task. They are really picky. The executives are not easily convinced by short term buzz and tabloid headlines. They want someone who really can last, someone who is talk show friendly and has talent talking to the audience.

I think Kate will probably be in bed with TLC for a long time. I just don't see major networks taking a chance on her. The major networks have huge overhead, they will do anything not to lose money. TLC is still a cable network that is free to gamble.

karma said...

I guess it's OK for parents to exploit their children in America but when you bring new people in to ride the kids' coattail, it's a big no no. At least the judge seems to think so.

I believe bringing Hailey and Michael Lohan into his life is Jon's downfall. You just don't bring more losers in to get their 15 minutes.

The judge must feel that Jon doesn't even know how to protect himself and choose the right people to hang out. Now, Jon is given very little control over the assets and children. It's very sad.

What a difference a year make! From getting a new car every 3 months to having limited money, Jon's rise and fall is a quite a lesson.

Everyone ungrateful will get karma knocking on the door soon. God can always take it away if you don't appreciate. Kate is the next. She might be doing happy dance celebrating Jon's loss. Soon, she will see the fading of public interest and her "TV career". It's the cycle for everyone on TV, very few really really talented ones can escape from that cycle.

CityGirl said...

I know this is off topic but I just have to get this off my chest. I was Christmas shopping today and probably visited around 7stores or so. I cannot believe the amount of people I noticed sporting the Kate hairstyle!! Me and my daughter have a little contest, we always want to be the first to spot one, and then laugh ourselves into a fit. This because of the number of versions there are. Thick hair, thin hair, course hair, old, young, every race. I Know these cuts are intentionally meant to look as close to their "icon" as possible. I do believe that among all the lies kate has told, there is one statement that was true and this actually came out of her mouth. It is that the cut looks even worse on people with thin hair! It wouldn't look good on anyone but especially bad on someone with thin hair. Just plain stupid looking. I just want to approach someone and ask "Is Kate Gosselin really your role model?" and "Do you know how stupid you look with that dam haircut?" It seems that she won't go away and that we get to see reminders of her everywhere we go! and I know it is not just here in my town. I have heard others say the same thing from their towns/

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Primary custody merely means physical custody -- as in the parent who spends more than 50% with the children. I'm certain they have joint legal custody which means decisions regarding schools, travel, relocation, medical treatment -- any serious or meaningful issue.

MickeyMcKean said...

Tami,

We don't know all the divorce details because they are sealed; all we can do is "best guess".

I know a little bit about real estate but I am not a realtor. In CA most homeowners are "upside down", i.e. their mortgage is higher than what their property is currently worth and the difference is about half or more of what it could have sold for just 3 years ago. I do not know about property values in PA and whether or not homes have lost a little or a lot of value in the current market.

So for Kate to "win" the house means that she alone is responsible for the mortgage payments. It is reported that J&K bought it for $1.1m and the mortgage is $720,000, and if these figures are correct then there is +/- $380,000 equity in the property. Now if Kate were to sell the house today, would it sell for $1.1m? I assume an appraisal was done for the court and how the court arbitrator divided this equity based upon said appraisal between J&K is unknown.

As for the Etwon house, it was reported that they bought it for $280,000. They initially listed it for $350,000 but sold it for $300,000. No appraisal would be required since the house sold and again Jon would be entitled to 50% of the sale proceeds after the $180,000(?) mortgage is paid as well as the realtors. Whether or not he got 50% is unknown.

Jon’s father died during their marriage and he received an inheritance. I would think that he would be entitled to these funds returned to him since it would have been his separate property, but it comes down to how good Kate’s attorney is when it comes to screwing Jon in the divorce (note: I have worked for attorneys and 99% of my old bosses lead credibility as to why people hate attorneys).

I know Jon has said that the house was purchased for the kids but that does not mean that it is in their names. Jon meant that the kids needed more room to play, bigger bedrooms, and behind security gates. It is now Kate’s house; when she sells it she will get the money and not the kids.

Whether or not Kate will allow Jon to stay in the apt above the garage when he is there for his visitation is anybody’s guess. At this time I figure she is extremely angry at him for stopping the show “because he could” so she may demand he get a motel room for the nights when he is in the area to see their kids. If he cannot afford it, oh well!

Since she has thrown him under a bus so many times, I cannot see her making things easy for Jon and if it hurts the kids at the same time, so what because IMO she does not really care about the kids unless she can make money off of their backs. I’m sure that she thinks that the harder it is on Jon, and if she can use the kids as weapons to hurt Jon, the better chance she and TLC have that he will allow filming of the kids in 2010.

We will have to wait and see what happens. IMO Kate cannot handle a show of her own without the kids, and yet she needs the income from what she can make in television to afford living in the McMansion.

This whole Gosselin train wreck is just sad no matter how one looks at it. JMO.

For the Moment? said...

Kate wants to be on dancing with the stars so she can show off her newly purchased body in the revealing outfits they wear. She is so shallow she doesn't get it that she would actually have to learn to dance. I don't think her kankles would hold up, she would get injured first thing. They are rolling people out of there in wheelchairs when the dancing is done. I guess the "I can't get injured because I have 8kids to take care of" went out the window with the divorce.

And why did she tell Jay she was baking cookies with the kids when she was in Washington, DC, and why did he buy that? She had obviously spent the entire day grooming for the segment and setting up the shot. Most are caught in not ready for TV moments when they do that segment, but she had her butt glued to that chair just like always in her frozen position with the lighting and the angles. She is such a dog. I hate what she has done to her kids and their father.

ABC said...

Is PA mom said and PA mom knows the same person?
It's getting a little confusing.

PJ said...

Tami said... Had it fought it, he probably could have proven that he spent more time taking care of the kids than she did.
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Well it is clear he didn't fight it. I think the most logical conclusion is that Jon did not want full or primary custody of the kids. That would have tied him to the kids all the time and that was one of things that he complained about on the show. I think if he wanted primary custody or even 50-50 that he would have moved back to the E town house.

We do not know all the facts but there does seem to be evidence that Jon did have to pay all $230,000 Kate claimed he took from tat joint account and the money that he accused Kate of taking for personal use was fully accounted for.

I think what we see evidence of here is that Kate had a much better lawyer than Jon. Her lawyer knew exactly what she had to do and how to do to get what she wanted. Clearly, Heller did not have a clue about divorce law in PA.

MickeyMcKean said...

For the Moment? said...
Kate got caught in another one of her lies about Playboy. Because didn't she say on the view (for no apparent reason) that the tabloids were reporting she had been asked to do Playboy and that it was not true and everyone just looked at her like where did that come from? Then on Leno proclaimed proudly that they had asked her and she of course turned icky Playboy down (he was asking about endorsements not photo spreads). I don't believe it. I think that is all in her head. She can't have a conversation in the media without mentioning the paparazzi and Playboy, oh and the kids. Kate was the only one laughing.

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I knew there was something about Kate's Playboy reference on Leno that bugged me but I could not put my finger on it! Besides I was distracted by her time-delayed cackling laugh throughout the entire pitiful segment.

I think Kate keeps bringing up the Playboy issue because she really did get a letter, she is of course flattered and would love to do it for the money, prestige and um exposure, but TLC would never approve.

However, I bet that when her new show flops and she needs money to pay her mortgage that she will contact Playboy.

Trouble is, by that time no one will be interested in Kate, naked or otherwise :)

Pennsylvania did what? said...

Bottom line: Kate was the mastermind from the get-go. She plotted to have as many children, all at once, as was possible. Jon was freaked, then swayed, because Kate told him "he would never have to work again"!

This was "Kate's" big ticket out of the middle working class life she hated. And as the forgotten "middle child" she would show them all just how important she actually was.

Being lazy, and non-goal oriented, Jon buys into it.

Kate has forever handled ALL of the money, dictated the direction of the family, and isolated her children from grand parents and extended family. She lived off the backs of her babies and loved every single minute of the spot light.

Jon was on a $5.00 a day allowance at one point in their marriage. He did as he was told until he was given his walking papers. Then he became the idiot he is now viewed as.

But I'm confused. Kate has always had "it all", from the beginning, every penny was already hers,and now Jon gets to pay her even more.

Does this mean that her plan worked? She wins in the end? The poor children have to live with her?

What an example Pennsylvania is setting!!! (And I'm from PA!)

lukebandit said...

i went to see kate on leno on youtube. yes, it is true, it is painful to watch. what is wrong with Jay? he would of done better, if he would of went in the audience before the show and got regular people maybe 3 and have them answer the questions and have the audience vote on the winner. i loved the skit where ed asner would come out and sit in a chair and people would come out and try to impress him. it was funny. when jay made the cracks about jon, if you listen closely, there was laughing for a second or two, but the audience really wasn't laughing and they really weren't laughing at kate's deadpan answers either. she looked terrible. also, remember the picture of jon and steve and kate walking and steve guiding them, shielding them, lol from the paparazi? the hairdo was full throttle. go back and compare that picture of her, a year ago? and now, she has gained alot of weight. dancing with the stars? NO NO NO she is crazy. if she was on there, i would want her to either be the first couple dropped or in the finals and see someone else beat her. best of both worlds. can you imagine working all those weeks and get sent out on the first show? and work all those weeks through the show and lose to Donny Osmond or a Olympic gymnist. that's a kick in the head.
and her answering the hersey's kisses question with foreplay with kevin was just disgusting. a mom of 8 saying that hersey's kisses was 4play with kevin the black bandleader?
she is scrapping the bottom of the bottom of the barrel.
also TLC is running a promo with JB and some of the duggar kids boarding a helicopter that had landed on the duggar compound. while they are loading into the helicopter, then the announcer says, the duggars are doing something they have never done before. well, we all know how considerate and thoughtful TLC is. well, they just took Michelle by med-flight ambulance to deliver precious baby Josie Brooklyn. i just think it is horrible timing by TLC. just think about kate showing up on jay leno the hour the divorce is final, kate is on jay leno and you know she got PAID. jon is BARRED from appearing on a show and even the Super Bowl ad where he could of worked and made money and not exploited the children. kate even mentioned mady being crazy about selena gomez and kate said that she was a sweet girl. she was talking about selena, so i am assuming that the girls got to meet her.
did you notice that when kate would laugh the girls would sash shay from side to side really quick? she was doing that on purpose.

i hope steve carries her purse around for the next 50 years. lol

thanks so much Gwopers for the sincere post and prayers. God bless everyone of you and the Gosselin kids. alexis, joel, hannah, mady, colin, leah, cara, aaden.
or ABC order
aaden, alexis, cara, colin, hannah, joel, leah, mady

mamatucci said...

@Tami

he did agree earlier on their own to give Kate primary custody. He didnt fight for them.

I might know things said...

Pay close attention to this and then watch what happens. The conspiracy against Jon is more far reaching and twisted than anyone knows.

It is already fairly well known that Stephanie Santoro was on TLC/Kate's payroll. As was Deanna Hummel. What may not be known is that Kate Majors was also and so were Lohan and Hailley herself!

Jon needed to be on his toes while this whole thing went down. If he were to get a cut of the house or more access to the kids he did not need to be distracted by bimbos and losers giving bad advice.

Look how Hailley swooped in. The daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon contacts Jon out of the blue to offer "support". Yeah ok. So she pretends they have this big romance going and then BAM! She starts telling the world how Jon is a pathological liar, Jon is crazy, Jon is a stalker. And to what was she referring? That he "cheated" on her with Santoro and Majors! Lohan starts selling him out. Meanwhile, Jon took advice to move to NY and agreed to give up the fight for his kids thinking Hailley would be there for him always. She pressured him to do this!

Now Jon is out in the cold as was the plan from the get go. They knew just what this man's vulnerabilities were and exploited them. He needed companionship and someone to care about him so they begin to send in the bimbo parade. They send in the fake friends. Kate is painted out to be a saint and Jon is forever known as just an douchey Dad. Note that Hailley never talked bad about Kate, said she respected her. Look at all the details Lohan now wants to cough up about how Jon broke his contract even though Lohan was the one pressuring Jon to do just that.

Another move is coming soon and it will be the nail in Jon's coffin. It's going to be devastating. Just watch.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Is PA mom said and PA mom knows the same person?
It's getting a little confusing."

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Nope. There are actually two Moms (or more!) from PA. Can you believe it? LOL!

Pa Mom Knows said...

"What an example Pennsylvania is setting!!! (And I'm from PA!)"

Pa courts have a history of siding with the little woman in a divorce/support hearing. In a case like this (high financial profile) they almost always put the screws to the husband.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"We don't know all the divorce details because they are sealed; all we can do is "best guess"."

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Huxley once said that once said that 'a little knowledge is dangerous' and I would assume, then, that a 'best guess' is even more so. LOL!

PA real estate is quite different from CA. You guys out there have "escrow." It's different here. PA real estate values have dropped considerably in the past two years. The market has been soft. Their current house would not sell for their purchase price. However, perhaps because it's a "celebrity" house, somebody might grab it up for that purpose, but I have my doubts. The E-Town house sat on the market for some time. Of course, it was over-priced for the area.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"she looked terrible."

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She not only looked terrible on Leno, she's been looking old, tired, haggard, pancake make-upped for some time. The furrow between her brows has deeped considerably. There definitely was no botox going on there! I believe the reason her eyes look, well, strange, is because of the very dark brow pencil that accentuates the furrow even more because of the dark color where the brow begins. The heavy brow also makes her upper eyelids look puffy, making her eyes look very squinty. She has aged considerably.

Falling away............. said...

Poor Jon got screwed and, sadly, it is partly his own fault. Couldn't he have found a better attorney?

Jon should ask Beth to help him write a tell all book. I would buy it in a minute! Then take the proceeds, Jon, and use them wisely!
Good Luck.

Hippie Chick said...

Perez Hilton commented on how Khate wanted to be on DWTS. He called her desperate. Love it!!

MickeyMcKean said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
PA real estate is quite different from CA. ... PA real estate values have dropped considerably in the past two years. The market has been soft. Their current house would not sell for their purchase price. However, perhaps because it's a "celebrity" house, somebody might grab it up for that purpose, but I have my doubts. The E-Town house sat on the market for some time. Of course, it was over-priced for the area.

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It appears that Jon did not walk away from the divorce with as much cash as he thought he would.

One of the things that occured to me when I was typing my post to Tami was what the McMansion would currently appraise for in PA. Because I know that if the house was in CA, I would not be surprised if it now appraised for $700,000 (so if Kate had to sell she would lose the $380K down payment and owe money to the lender!).

Re ETown house, I think Kate figured out that even the sheeple will not pay extra money to live in one of their old houses. Now when Kate goes to sell the McMansion in this market, I hope she realizes that the house will only appraise for so much based on current sales and if she overprices the home someone will have to come up with the cold hard cash to make up the difference.

Now something else I picked up on -- Heller said Jon took $180,000 from the joint account over several months because it was his salary and then it was reported Jon returned this amount to the joint account when he was ordered to do so.

Then when Jon filed his lawsuit against TLC I noted that it stated Jon was owed $180,000 in salary. I don't think this is a coincidence. I think TLC was trying to get Jon under control and until he behaved they did not pay him his salary so he took it out of the joint account. I could be wrong, and we will never know for sure, but I do think Jon may be cash strapped these days.

MickeyMcKean said...

Re: Kate's Haircut

I have long hair and recently I went in to get it trimmed.

While sitting in the chair I asked the hair stylist if she knew who Kate was and she said yes and then I asked if people requested her haircut and she said yes.

Then she added on her own that the people who ask for the cut are not doing so because they are Kate fans but because they just want something different.

N.E. Psychologist said...

I Might Know Things said
Pay close attention to this and then watch what happens. The conspiracy against Jon is more far reaching and twisted than anyone knows.
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I've actually thought that for quite some time. If you think about the show, it was really always about Ham (Kate) from the beginning: HER medical issues, HER pregnancy, SHE needed help, HER kids, etc. While the kids were the draw form many (most?) of us, there is some strange dynamic between Ham and the Licentious channel. OK, she wanted Asian appearing HOM and drafted Jon as a sperm donor. She wanted babies and got them. She wanted fame and got it. Then TLC gave her a show and told her to make a wish list (per Julie's blog). She's gotten everything she wanted, including a divorce (don't know about the damn ring). She clearly doesn't give a damn about the kids now that they're no longer babies. I don't think she ever gave a damn about Jon - any "togetherness" was all about image. (I do not think that was true of Jon, though. He really thought he had a marriage and family). So she's done with Jon and cast him out but that's not enough - she has to demolish him. And the Licentious channel is helping her. Why does TLC think she is so deserving to the extent that they are conspiring to destroy this hapless man who is clearly in over his head? Why is Ham so important to them???????????

I Never Used To Be This Cynical said...

No Drama Mama said...
RE: Child Support

More than likely, the figured out his child support based on what he was making as a TLC employee. That is his last job and that is the figure that was most likely used.

Jon CAN file a modification BUT and this is a HUGE BUT.... He has already proven himself to have the ability to make big bucks thanks to TLC. Yes, this amount DOES come into play! He COULD go and get a job at BK and file a modification however.... he would need to have a good lawyer and sympathetic judge for that to happen.
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Not so much conspiracy theory as simply that nothing will surprise me with this couple...it would be so much easier to just reconcile, wouldn't it ('cause this is hard; this is just too hard!). Pretend for the cameras. Think of the storylines. I just read that actress Colleen Dewhurst was married to George C. Scott twice; same for Liz Taylor and Richard Burton, too, I think. J&K could start getting along. They'd be sure to let us know about it ("yes, it's true; we're dating"). TMZ, JustJared, RadarOnline will all be a'buzzin. And the Gosselins are back in the news big time once again. Before you know it, they're in the house together...nobody has to know it's separate rooms. Freebies back on; vacations back on. Ah, The Good Life. And here come the dogs back! Wow, what a photo op. Jon back in the driver seat of that van, Kate. And to cement the deal, and to celebrate our new life together the second time around, ANOTHER BABY! We'll just do it all again. Sure worked out pretty good the first time although THIS time we know what mistakes not to make (like getting caught in bars with coeds, Jon). Yep, we'll all wonder...true, not true? Keep us guessing. Only the kids will know for sure. They've gotten a lot of experience about these things in their young years.

The Kidding Aside, It's Worrisome said...

I Might Know Things said, "Another move is coming soon and it will be the nail in Jon's coffin. It's going to be devastating. Just watch."
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Gotta say, the guy has really disappointed me but I still say, over and over again, his love for those kids is genuine and vice versa. I think it was widely said or hinted that he had suffered from depression. I hope his family is there for him and that he keeps himself safe in the insanity of it all. I jest plenty here; it's easy to get snarky...but I wouldn't want anything horrible to happen to the guy; those kids need their dad, however flawed he may be at the current time. On the serious side of the Jon and Kate mess, I've always worried about the explosiveness of their "situation." Frankly, I wish so much it would all just go away. They'd be doing themselves a favor if they'd get out of the news and just deal with their life privately, but of course I'm talking to a wall here.

Midnight Serenade said...

@psychologist
"Why is Ham so important to them???????????"



In a way, we're all amateur sleuths, and I wish in this case we could be real "Monks" and figure it out. Is she holding something over their heads...something that would blow everything wide open if it were revealed? With the ratings being as low as they were, what would be TLC's motive to continue on with this woman? It can't be the ratings and their hope for a phenomenal new show. They can't be that stupid -- or can they?

Midnight Serenade said...

@Misty

"Re ETown house, I think Kate figured out that even the sheeple will not pay extra money to live in one of their old houses. Now when Kate goes to sell the McMansion in this market, I hope she realizes that the house will only appraise for so much based on current sales and if she overprices the home someone will have to come up with the cold hard cash to make up the difference."

It depends on how badly someone wants the house. The agents will pull up the comps for the area. If it's way over-priced, potential buyers will take that into consideration. If they go to get a mortgage and the asking price isn't in the ballpark, no mortgage company will give them the loan. You're correct in that someone would have to make up the difference by digging into their pockets. If I were going to sell a house, I'd sit on it until the market gets going again. They will take a loss on that one if they try to sell it now. Furthermore, the cost of the house is inflated because of the land. The house is nothing special, and it's not a "mansion" by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, it's a big house, but houses like that in this area are not estates -- they're just nice sized homes. Personally, to pay that much for a house with no hall closet, no central vac, no central intercom and no attached garage was insane. Those are amentities expected and demanded by potential buyers in this area, and most people looking to purchase a home of that size and quality are looking for all the bells and whistles. They want to put the money into the home itself, not on acres and acres that they will never see and never use.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

I rewatched Leno show and sure enough, Khate was flashing a new ring.
What's go to happen to Jon now that he purposely broke the gag order? He's certainly self-destructive at best.

Doris said...

"And the Licentious channel is helping her. Why does TLC think she is so deserving to the extent that they are conspiring to destroy this hapless man who is clearly in over his head? Why is Ham so important to them???????????"

My personal opinion and only an opinion; Kate is sleeping with someone at TLC. It would not at all surprise me to find it out it is a woman.

Pityme said...

Christmas parody video is out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTMZ9QMo8Xc&feature=player_embedded

Shoshanna said...

Kate, dancing?

Like watching the Tin Man in a blond wig.

anotherthing... said...

On MSN's the Root:

10 People We Dont Want To See In 2010

J & K made the list with this caption:

"Thankfully, I didn't know who these people were until this year. Unfortunately, it doesn't take long to realize just how annoying these two-and their drama-are. Why were they on the cover of every single magazine on earth? Why were they all over national television putting each other's business on Front Street? Why were so many of you deeply interested in this? Because they share a litter of kids? If that's the case, there are plenty of people out there who can take their place. Bye."

http://www.theroot.com/multimedia/10-people-we-dont-want-see-2010?gt1=38002

Midnight Serenade said...

@Doris

"My personal opinion and only an opinion; Kate is sleeping with someone at TLC. It would not at all surprise me to find it out it is a woman."

Quite possibly, but I think it's something bigger than that.

jibberjabbers said...

Anyone real evidence that Jon broke the gag order besides some unknown online article with no real source?

Jon was seen on VIDEO at radar site refusing to COMMENT on the divorce hearing / settlement.

Then a day later, he shows up in a news article?

Whats easier to fake?

A video of Jon talking to the camera or an article with some guy posing as Jon?

Besides, I doubt that "guy" was "paid" to talk to the website.

TLC doesn't want him to appear in paid media.

I doubt an online print, and unknown source would do Jon any harm.

Nice try Steve.. (By way of Deception)..

Dunwoody Mom said...

What's go to happen to Jon now that he purposely broke the gag order? He's certainly self-destructive at best.

What are you talking about? Jon is not under a gag order.

Yolanda said...

Kate can't be on Dancing with the Stars. To be on the show you have to either be a star or a professional dancer. Since she is neither, she doesn't qualify.

anotherthing... said...

You know... I read 'I may know things...' post and I got to thinking about who in the heck would bnd over back wards to be liked by Kate as these people do (and lp her in her evil/manipulative ways).

Why does TLC adore her? Why do people like her? How can everyone not see through her as easily as we do? How can they not see the evil in her actions and intentions? How can the see past the bad and only focus on the faux reality she tends to live/breathe???

And I realized that I know exactly why/how. Most of as do as weve posted over the past litte while...

We know people like Kate. I have a family member so much like her that its sickening.

And people fall for her crap all the time. And fall for it hard and fast. I dont know how and I dont know why. Blinded by the desire for the fake reality to be real? By pretending to be someone/something your not to fit the mold? Im not sure.

But I just remind myself that she has to wake up everyday and be her. And that must be wretched. Deep down insider herself... she has to know. She is empty. And hollow and just echoing saddness.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Jibberjabber, I hope your right, but HollywoodLife.com claims to have called Jon and he stated he didn't want to lose the kids and that Kate was taking the kids away this weekend -- and he wasn't sure where.

jibberjabbers said...

So, all he said was he didn't want to loose the kids and didn't know where Kate was taking her..

What's so bad about that? The Judge is going to attack Jon because he didn't want to loose the kids?

Isn't Kate suppose to INFORM Jon on where and when Kate is going to take the kids?

Is Kate taking them out of state to Film?

Jon has every right to be concerned.

It's not like Jon was attacking Kate and TLC in this phone interview.

Midnight Serenade said...

@hardtokeeplovingjonhttp

"HollywoodLife.com claims to have called Jon and he stated he didn't want to lose the kids and that Kate was taking the kids away this weekend -- and he wasn't sure where."

Exactly what was stated in the gag order...that he couldn't speak about the divorce, or that he couldn't speak to anyone about anything regarding the children? According to the article, he said he didn't want to lose the kids and she was going away for a brief vacation. School's out for winter break, so it's plausible that she's taking them on a vacation. Making a statement about not wanting to lose the children isn't revealing the terms of the settlement, if indeed that's what the gag order was all about.

If it was a "fake" interview, in a society as litigious as this one, he could sue them for libel. What's one more lawsuit and more attorney's fees?!!

jibberjabbers said...

wow, I can't spell "lose"...

MickeyMcKean said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...
Jibberjabber, I hope your right, but HollywoodLife.com claims to have called Jon and he stated he didn't want to lose the kids and that Kate was taking the kids away this weekend -- and he wasn't sure where.

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I already posted last night that I also found it suspicious that this information from Jon was via a phone call and not video.

I also found the headline to be worded for "reactionary purposes".

Something to think about: it is alleged that Jon is worried he will lose the kids if he cannot afford the child support payments. Well it does not work that way; he is not paying Kate to see his kids.

If Jon does not pay Kate I'm sure she will no doubt let the court know but at no time would Jon *lose* his children! Jon would be found in contempt BUT if he can prove he can't afford it due to no income then he will have to file a hardship or modification with the court.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Isn't Kate suppose to INFORM Jon on where and when Kate is going to take the kids?

Is Kate taking them out of state to Film?"

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If she did, I would certainly hope she left before the blizzard dumped two feet of snow on us -- all the way down to NC! Driving was treacherous, and airport delays were a nightmare!

MickeyMcKean said...

"Kate was taking the kids away this weekend -- and he wasn't sure where."

I bet that per the divorce that Jon and Kate are both to keep the other parent informed as to where they are taking the kids, especially if they are taking them out of state.

Also, since Jon said that Mady keeps him informed and that she can't keep a secret, why doesn't he know where they are?

*IF* the phone interview is legit, the fact that Jon does not know where they are this weekend is no doubt guaranteed to upset him, and it did.

However I am also sure that per the divorce that he will be seeing his kids on Christmas. If they are not home, I'm sure Jon will let the court know about Kate's actions.

Sharon said...

Kate thinks she can sing. Wouldn't it be great if Kate went on American Idol, with Simon. Now that I would watch.

Brummygirl said...

@ I Never Used To Be This Cynical said...
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I never did buy into the conspiracy theory and not even Jon on his last legs, would make me believe he would subject himself to any time at all with that horrible woman. He would make himself a laughing stock.
Not only that, if they were to get back together again, none of the public would be there except the Sheeple!! I think even the kids would be leary as nothing would be changed between their parents as far as constant bickering is concerned.
The Gosselins have wrung every one's emotions dry especially on here. I personally could not stand one more minute of them together.
I just hope Jon can weather this storm, he has to have some info out there which will go his way. We know Kate will be o.k. for the present as she is still in cloud cuckoo land, but my gosh am I ever waiting for her fall. Humpty Dumpty will have nothing compared to that idiot. If it wasn't so serious for the children, it would be laughable to see one so delusional.

N.E. Psychologist said...

MidnightSerenade said
@Doris

"My personal opinion and only an opinion; Kate is sleeping with someone at TLC. It would not at all surprise me to find it out it is a woman."

Quite possibly, but I think it's something bigger than that.
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I agree. This is about more than sex.

Avary said...

I might know things,

Is there any way this information is ever going to come out? I mean in public, names and facts, etc. That would be so fantastic!

Dunwoody Mom said...

What is tarnation is hollywoodlife.com? Another Radaronline?

Avary said...

I think TLC is catering to Kate because if she joined forces with Jon against them and brought out how the contract was so slanted toward TLC, they could lose MILLIONS of dollars. So they keep Kate happy. Once the danger is gone, I'll bet they let her loose.

anotherthing... said...

On Dlisted.com (Loooove it) he calles it 'Dancing with the Has-Beens' and therefore... perhaps its right up Kates ally.

Her twirling around on those tree trunks in a teensy-tiny skirt huffing and puffing and sweating off that inch-thick layer of make-up would really dazzle us all, Im sure.

...I know the fellow competitors would LOVE it, she'd make them all look like rail thin beauty queens by comparison, born with the grace of Broadway starlets.

Megan said...

I agree with Avary.

I think Kate has TLC eating out of the palm of her hand because she has threatened them with revealing all of the nitty gritty details of how fake the show was and how messed up the (early) contracts were.

I can only imagine what a huge PR (that means public relations, snark snark) nightmare that would be for TLC.

jibberjabbers said...

Kate is no longer a Gosselin. She should now use the last name given to her by birth.

No longer can she profit from the "family' name.

Kate Kreider, good luck with your show.

brinkley said...

I'd be ready to jump off a cliff if I'd lived with the Katan. For. ten. years. He must be a tortured soul. At least now there is a light at the end of the tunnel for him. Hang in Jon. We luvs ya.

Momof2 said...

Imightknowthings

....you've got my attention!

liar liar pants on fire said...

If Kate is smart enough, she should fight TLC with Jon, claiming unfair contract and exploitation of an innocent family with 8 children. They could totally win and walk away with multi million dollars, they will never have to work again, not even a showbiz gig.

The chance for Kate to make as much money as the past 2 years is very slim. If she was talent enough, all the media appearance would land her some cool gigs already. But no one wants her except her good old TLC still wants to work with her. Her kids are bratty, no longer cute, and older, so the number of audience is reducing. The wholesome Gosselin brand has already been ruined by everybody involved, TLC would say it's Jon's fault. But they are all to blame. Kate's greed, ungrateful attitude, and evil behaviors also ruined the brand. TLC's claws come out is also a turn off. The kids' brattishness is unbearable to watch. Jon actually did less damage to "the brand".

I guess TLC and Kate are just pissed that Jon didn't hide the fact that they already separate well. Jon's not being able to lie to the audience ruined their brand.

Tami said...

The whole thing about destroying Jon has been so methodical when you look at it. Hailey was saying that she lost her relationship with her mom because "Jon threw a fork in it" (please!). IMO she said this because they want to make it out that Kate was not the bad guy in the fallout with her parents but that clingy Jon made her give them up!

It just seems that at every turn Jon is made to take the blame. THe marriage broke up? Not because Kate is a bad partner and wife! NO, it's just because Jon was unfaithful! It all seems like such a huge set up. He's made to be a bad dad when she is called a bad mom, Hailey claims on Twitter he was in Utah and not visiting his family for the holidays afterall, which I believe was proven a lie, etc. Naive sheeple eat this stuff up. I can't stand to read their comments. It's so one sided!

Natalie and Abigail said...

I actually think Kate on DWTS would be fantastic. Those pros would KICK HER BUTT. Can you imagine? Kate would have to actually WORK at something, learn steps, LISTEN to other people, do what THEY say. She would be the boss of no one. I would love to see the footage of the pros giving her the what-fors. It would be great. Actually, she'd probably go crazy and quit. Or, since she would suck, she would get "injured" and not be able to dance this sparing herself the embarrassment.

Of course, I suppose there is always the chance she can dance, but somehow I doubt it. I don't think she has the ability to shut up long enough to follow instructions from someone to learn anything at all.

Also, I'm not sure she could even do the show. It's pretty intense. Who is supposed to be with the kids while she is off twirling around the dance floor? Jon?

Actually...now there's a show - Jon and Kate face off on DWTS - and Kate gets kicked off before Jon!

jibberjabbers said...

Actually...now there's a show - Jon and Kate face off on DWTS - and Kate gets kicked off before Jon!

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That would totally piss Kate off. Remember the ski trips where Kate is taking to the camera while everyone else was Ice Skating?

Kate says to the camera, "I hate that he's good at all this and I'm not"..

Referring Jon being able to spend time with the kids skiing, skating, etc etc.

I do think Jon would do better than Kate. But seeing how things are going, they will probably rig it so that Kate beats Jon.

Maybe by giving Kate an easy slow song to dance to and givng Jon a the viennese waltz.

Top 10 said...

Jon & Kate are #1 in Yahoo's Top 10 Sudden Fame Searches of 2009, with Nadya Suleman at #5.

SherryInPA said...

Can the court take away all of Jons visitation rights if he doesn't pay child support? If he doesn't pay, can the court take away all of Jons rights as a parent? Hmmmmmm, looks like TLC may have "Kate plus Eight" in 2010 after all.
My despise for Kate and TLC just went up a notch.

MomIAm said...

I feel sorry for the entire family. The adults may not realize it yet, but I don't foresee a comeback for them as celebrities. They may have saved enough money to get by but they spent a great deal so that is questionable. They are not likable people, but I wish them well.

There is a huge disparity between what TLC gave to the Gosselins and what TLC earned off of them. It is confusing to me how TLC can get away with not paying the children individual salaries. That is wrong. I wonder why the tabloids haven't addressed that issue?

I disagree with those who say the kids aren't cute anymore. It is the fighting, whining, pouting, and temper tantrums that make them appear ugly. No doubt babies and toddlers are adorable, so it is hard to compete with yourself as a child. However if they smiled more and treated others with respect, it would make a world of difference. Most happy children don't cry or fight in an entire year as much as those children do on a couple of episodes.

I only watched the show maybe 3 times at the start of this year. It was Kate's bad behavior that caused me to stop watching. She was snippy and rude to Jon and to the children. It was painful to watch, so I stopped. Since then I've been casually interested in the final outcome, but the drama doesn't seem to end. I'm tired of hearing about them.

I heard someone on TV say that if the ratings are good for the tabloid-entertainment shows, they will keep talking about the same people on the next show. If the ratings are not good, they will move onto something else. The answer is for people to stop clicking on links about the Gosselins and to stop watching when they are on a show. The hoopla is all about ratings and the public watching.

Vanessa said...

Watched Queenie on Leno (youtube) and I totally agree with everyone's comments. She has NO talent, her timing is off, her facial expressions are just irritating and she thinks she's "the bomb". WHAT HAS SHE DONE TO HER FACE? Could someone who is computer savvy put up a side by side photo, before and after? She's morphed into some kind of caricature! She's TOO young to have altered her face so drastically, you see that with "real housewives" type of "stars" (I use that word loosely) who are in their late 40's early 50's. In her own words "She's ruined! She's ruined!"

For the Moment? said...

I thinks is was Today that did a segement of women who needed to lose weight and get a makeover. Ironically, all three of them had a version of Kate's hair (without the spikes). I don't think it is anything about Kate myself save for a few; with the majority, I think it is just a hot haircut right now and the person who did Kate's cut knew beforehand that it was going to be hot. The really good stylists go to the shows and learn the cuts that are going to be hot and push them so to speak. There was a version of this cut way back when that was hot also. But the spikes on Kate's made it a bit different...remember, her original stylist said she had to have the spikes and Kate said they best represented her attitude. Yeah we know of what attitude you speak Kate.

sillyrabbit said...

jibberjabbers said...
Kate is no longer a Gosselin. She should now use the last name given to her by birth.

No longer can she profit from the "family' name.

Kate Kreider, good luck with your show.


I ABSOLUTELTY AGREE! One thing that IMO Kate is NO LONGER entitled to or profit from is the use of the last name Gosselin. Considering Kate has said, in hindsight she knew her marriage would never last, she should have no problem taking back her GIVEN name of Kreider.

For the Moment? said...

About the conspiracy w/ Jon I do believe parts of that but do not believe it could be all that far reaching that a good investigative reporter could not get to the bottom of. In my opinion no one could be that good at covering up. I do not fully understand what the motive would be to completely destroy a man just to be able to market kids that let's face it are not that marketable anymore. That would not be necessary in order for Kate to have an affair with someone at TLC, even if it is a woman. My feelihg is that she will soon lose the facade and become quite the loose woman that she has always been and perhaps a full blown man hater, and the manifestations of that. Hailey has turned out to be nothing more than a back alley tramp, and I don't think she has the intelligence to carry off a high end conspiracy, and I do not feel that her parents the father in particular would be a part of anything like that. Who knows, Jon does look really depressed and I have a strange sense of forebode for him. Really sad. It someone would do that to the father of her kids what would make her kids exempt.

WhatACrock said...

There is NO way that Kate will go back to using her maiden name; holding onto Gosselin is what keeps people paying attention and no doubt opens up doors for her to try and keep rolling with her ridiculous "celebrity" aspirations, among other things.

Is there any way that poor Jon could launch a lawsuit in order to force her to give back his name? If she can profit from using his name, how is it fair that he can't try and make a living for himself and be the only stable person in those kids' lives?

Do you guys think she gets things for free, little things like her beloved Sbux (not sure if I can post official store names), because they know she will be photographed with it which equals free publicity? I wonder how many freebies she gets just because she has eight kids who were forced to spend their formative years acting for the cameras, and is famous for treating her husband like the ninth child? How can someone breathe too loudly?! Good grief.

I tried searching Google, but does anyone remember the name of those - I think they were triplets - kids (all girls) who were forced to live in a "home" that allowed people to pay to come and see them, like they were circus freaks? I think they were Canadian, but I could be wrong. I remember reading their life story after they were older and nobody cared about them, and it was very interesting and insightful. People look back on how they were treated and see it as abuse, so it's funny in a really sad way that we consider this sort of thing entertainment in 2009.

When Kate goes shopping at regular stores like Target, do you think it's all for show, to make it seem like she is just another "working" mother like everyone else, and then have the stuff she really wants from expensive stores privately shipped to the house?

WhatACrock said...

I just did a quick Google search and found out that the famous Canadian multiples are the Dionne quintuplets who were born in 1934. They were actually considered a tourist attraction!

Falling away........... said...

While many people on this site realize that Jon did some incredibly stupid things, most people sympathize with him. He was used and abused by just about everyone.
I hope he reads this blog and pays attention because some posters have good advice, and we expect nothing in return.
So listen up, Jon.
1. Get rid of that expensive apartment in NYC. Move in with your Mom if you can for the time being.
2. Find a good therapist. Listen and learn. If he/she doesn't suit you, find someone else.
3. Stop talking to anyone in the news business, no matter how friendly they seem. Trust no one!Do not confide in anyone, except maybe your mother.
4. Review your situation and get more education if you need to find a regular job. Do Not hit on any college girls! Be celibate for awhile. Yes, you may have to 'bite the bullet" for the time being.
5. Spend as much quality time with your children as possible. Get to really know them. Cell phones OFF!
There are lots of things you can do for free with the kids. Build a snowman, go sledding, play board games with them.
6. All of this will prove to the courts(if you need to go there again) and the world that you have matured into a trustworthy, caring person.
7. Pray. Listen. Pray.
8. Be patient. It will take time. but you will succeed!
9. Good Luck, Jon.

WhatACrock said...

I think Kate would be perfect for 'Dancing with the Stars', actually. I mean, they had Kim Kardashian on as a contestant, and she's at the same level of unwarranted fame as Kate. It would be pretty hilarious to see her stumble around the stage, lacking the grace we all know she's never had, and then the moment she is eliminated. I bet she would stomp off the stage and have a hissyfit backstage.

Judy said...

They just discussed the divorce on The View. Barbara Walters asserted that Jon left Kate and that Kate would have a career and be fine. I'm not a Jon fan, but it's seems to me that Kate left him as in "For all intents and purposes, we will no longer be married in the true sense of the word but show up for taping and pretend we are." Kate may not have physically left the property, but I think she wanted out. I wish people didn't state otherwise as though it is fact.

Also, Barbara W.obviously knows about this show with Kate coming up. She said it may not be with Paula Deen but quickly shut her mouth, not wanting to go further.

MaryB said...

"I might know things"
I think you are right on. How evil it is that TLC and Kate will go to such extremes to destroy the loving father of 8 children for cold hard cash?
I am concerned for Jon. The mistakes he made since Kate threw him out and the bad advise he has been given will never ever be undone. TLC and Kate knew this from the very beginning.
Can't wait to see what karma will do to Kate and her lover TLC. Things may go well for awhile but won't stand up over time.
I hope when they fall/fail they fall hard.

MickeyMcKean said...

I might know things said...
Pay close attention to this and then watch what happens. The conspiracy against Jon is more far reaching and twisted than anyone knows. .....

Jon needed to be on his toes while this whole thing went down. If he were to get a cut of the house or more access to the kids he did not need to be distracted by bimbos and losers giving bad advice. ...

Now Jon is out in the cold as was the plan from the get go. They knew just what this man's vulnerabilities were and exploited them. He needed companionship and someone to care about him so they begin to send in the bimbo parade. They send in the fake friends. Kate is painted out to be a saint and Jon is forever known as just an douchey Dad. ...

Another move is coming soon and it will be the nail in Jon's coffin. It's going to be devastating. Just watch.

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TO: I might know things

I spent two years of my life getting info out to a membership as to what was really going on behind the scenes and why it was costing us millions of dollars. I was posting under my real name, not an alias, so I had credibility in getting the word out. I can't even tell you how many times someone would post something under an alias such as "I might know things" in order to derail me.

So based upon my past experience, please note my guard is up.

You may be a sheeple in disguise trying to stir things up or you may in fact be the real deal.

Time will tell as there is no doubt that this train wreck is still going down the tracks.

Even though I have never met Jon (so I can't say I *know* him and what he may or may not do) I admit I am concerned for his health and safety because there is just too much money involved. Also, even though I'm trying to pay attention to the legit reports, I don't understand how Jon keeps getting the short end of the deal.

Therefore I do hope that if you are aware of anything harmful or criminal that may be planned for Jon, or of anything that would drive him "over the edge" putting "the nail in Jon's coffin" I pray that you find the strength to step forward and do the right thing.

Regardless of whatever games are in the works, if any, there are still 8 young children who would be traumatized and devastated for the rest of their lives if they lost their father forever.

Sissy said...

Now that the kids are in school, and the nanny, the cook, the house cleaner, the landscaper, and the personal assistant are keeping life running smoothly for Kate, she should take this opportunity to "culturize" herself. First thing to go should be that cackle of hers. Ugh, that laugh is so nasty. Then maybe she should read some newspapers and magazines and get current on world events. Or maybe not all that reading, but please, at least, drop the cackle.

silimom said...

Latest report from NE: Jon owes Hailey $90 grand which he borrowed when the arbitrator told him to return $180,000 to the joint account.

It National Enquirer so take it at face value, but I don't think it's a huge stretch. We wondered on this blog where he'd gotten the money from.

I was thinking about it and Jon's issues with money make sense if you consider his Dad probably gave him an allowance and then bailed him out whenever he got in trouble and then Kate handled the money after their marriage.

There are many people like Jon and Kate. They're dysfunction is really not that exceptional or unique. It was just televised for the world to see and we all bought into it at some point.

PA Woman said...

liar liar pants on fire said...
If Kate is smart enough, she should fight TLC with Jon, claiming unfair contract and exploitation of an innocent family with 8 children. They could totally win and walk away with multi million dollars, they will never have to work again, not even a showbiz gig.

The chance for Kate to make as much money as the past 2 years is very slim.
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I think the reason TLC is promising Kate her own show, is to keep her from teaming with Jon in the lawsuit. Notice, the show isn't scheduled to air until late spring, with the lawsuit in court in April. I won't be surprised if it never actually hit the airwaves. But who knows with the kudos people like BW are giving Kate. It it does, doubt it will last long.

Button Button said...

Yolanda said...
Kate can't be on Dancing with the Stars. To be on the show you have to either be a star or a professional dancer. Since she is neither, she doesn't qualify.

12/20/2009 3:30 PM

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Joy Behar admitted they had Kate on The View "for the ratings."

Whether we like to admit it or not, millions and millions of people WOULD watch DWTS to hope that she falls and fails. I know I would.

Also, I would watch The Survivor if Kate were on that show.

Wouldn't it be fun to see her dirty, hungry, WORKING, and trying to get along. Maybe she wouldn't even TRY to get along. She could just be her nasty, mean, narcissistic self, and I would watch every minute of it. Yessuree, I surely would.

No matter what any of us try to believe, J&K+8 brought in very "high numbers" because of Kate and her nasty personality, not because of her 8 kids.

Geema said...

I have a cleaning business and I am in alot of people's homes. Just because I'm in their homes, I tend to see and hear things. I AM NOT NOSY, but the fact that I'm just there enables me to know so much. I am floored that with the amount of people that must be in and out of their house, not one shred of information gets leaked to the press. Not the stuff that they leak themselves but things all of us are waiting to hear. Isn't there anybody out there who will say anything? How about the poster who claims they know things? Why would anyone who worked for them or with them not say a word? Their confidentiality agreement with all of these people must be scary... maybe you lose a finger or your first born child should you utter a sound. Maybe TLC and Kate stalk their help with the help of modern day electronics? It is just so strange that they are so protected.

yeaisaidthat said...

IMO, For the past 9 + years, Kate has exploited the Gosselin name for her own self serving purposes. Now that the divorce is final, it's time for Kate to take back her given name of Kreider. Let's to see how much fame and fortune Kate can acquire by exploiting the name Kreider.

Jus saying said...

Why does TLC protect and promote Kate? Could it have something to do with a special relationship that Eileen O'neil has with Kate?

That Eileen really admires her and has a need to protect her?

WhatACrock said...

I wonder how much Kate's plastic surgeon (which one, lol) wishes he had never gotten involved with her. She's the one who started this huge mess and ended up getting his daughter caught up in all of it via Jon. Kate is just a toxic person. Notice how all her "good friends" have magically disappeared? I don't understand why anyone would want to be associated with her, in either a professional or personal sense. If she is photographed with "friends", they must be paid for each public appearance.

Amy said...

The courts can base child support on mini wage. They can not rule with ZERO child support. Jon had these kids, along with Kate. They both have to pay for the children.

Child support, health insurance, and half of health care, schooling, etc.

We do not know how much it cost for those kids to go to a private schools.

Jon can get a job, making 20k a year flipping burgers, and have the judgment redone.

Pilgrim Soul said...

I thought reality TV doesn't pay royalties. Everything goes into TLC's pocket, once the "reality stars" are paid their wage.

jibberjabbers said...

Looks like Kate is keeping Gosselin as her last name. If she wanted to change it, she could have requested the name change in the divorce paper.

But it's not to late for Kate to drop Gosselin as her last name.

But we all know she is going to keep it for the "brand"...

sayitisntso said...

They just discussed the divorce on The View. Barbara Walters asserted that Jon left Kate and that Kate would have a career and be fine.

IMO, Barbara Walters and the crew of The View are becoming notorious for speaking out of both sides of their mouth. So many times Barbara has cautioned viewers to not take stock in tabloid rumor and there are 'two sides to every story'. It is more than obvious that Barbara's new found 'fascination' with Kate Gosselin is clearly a misguided one and created by way of little if any relevance to actual fact or TRUTH.

jibberjabbers said...

Did BW missed out in the Kate story episode where Kate admitted that the marriage was over in Oct 2008?

Did she miss the Larry King interview where Jon stated that Kate left him in Oct 2008? That Kate came up to him and said he was to live his life and she is to live hers.

Did she miss the Jodi and Kevin interview where she stated that Kate went up to Jon with a "contract" of some sort of contract that their marriage was over, but they must continue filming and living a lie.

BW has gone crazy.. She's losing it. Why is she asserting the same old lies about who left who on her show? Is she on TLC's payroll now?

Seems Kate has business ties with TLC, NBC and ABC.

Maybe we will see Kate on DWTS "just for laughs".

Can't See Sheep said...

PA Woman said...
I think the reason TLC is promising Kate her own show, is to keep her from teaming with Jon in the lawsuit.
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I've been thinking this too for sometime. kate & Jon suing them together could cause all kinds of serious damage to TLC, because, well, kate would shout everything to anyone who would listen to her. She'd trumpet louder than a brass band. She'd tell the world exactly what TLC had done to her, we'd hear about it for years to come. She'd be all over the media like a cat on fish. I think TLC is buying time to get themselves in a position where they can better handle anything kate can & will throw at them. Whether kate likes it or not shows on TV get cancelled, it's just the way it is, it's the reality of TV. Everyone is cancelled at some point unless they choose to stop a show. It's a given that kate isn't likely to choose to end any show of hers, making getting cancelled a certainty.

TLC likely knows how kate will react to cancellation, they've got plenty of footage that shows them her behaviour. So, they've divided & are currently conquering the Gosselins, something that has yet to dawn on her royal hiney. kate's going to have a hard time making claims about them damaging her children or her marriage or anything else after she's supported TLC like this while they went after Jon, she isn't going to have much of a leg to stand on, if & when she decides that she wants to go after them for not giving her yet another show or whatever. I'm not saying that she won't make these claims, she probably will, but it's going to be hard for a judge to take her claims seriously, especially when she's shown that she'll say whatever she needs to say to get what she wants.

Many far more talented people than kate have been cancelled never to see another series on TV ever again. They didn't carry on like hysterical psychopaths & it would have harmed their career if they had. TLC has nicely reduced the number of arguments that kate can effectively use against them, they've played her very well. TLC must know that it's not too likely that they are going to be making programs featuring kate for the rest of her life, they know they'll have to tell her "no" at some point. They also must know that no matter how it comes about, kate is not going to go quietly or take it at all well. So they're positioning themselves as to how to best deal with her when that certainty does arrive & take as little damage as possible from what transpires. JMO

Andrea Murdock said...

"I might know things" I agree with you. It scares me to think what might become or happen to Jon. Kate and TLC will stop at NOTHING to finish him. After all, they are thinking well beyond Jon being the father of their children, they probably think it would be great for Kate to REALLY be a single mom. :(

I agree, I think bigger things are about to happen. Praying for the children for sure.

In my opinion, Kate, still has her family on her side. She emails them now and again just to keep them wanting more but doesn't allow them to have access to her or the children. You know, just in case, she needs them in the future. The family is so desperate for interaction with her, they thrive on having any type of communication with her.

I agree with the posters that have said it is time for Kate to take back her maiden name. Jon at least deserves his last name back. After all, he has nothing left but his name.

And Amy, please, Kate WOULD do the same thing but worse. Do you think she would give you or anyone else the time of day? Kate is evil, through and through. Please don't think otherwise.

Connie said...

Kate is one evil woman. She ended the marriage and tossed her husband out to the curb. Now she stands by smugly while he is stripped of everything. She takes the mansion for herself AND approves the judgment that Jon has to pay her $10k/month in child support. Pay her out of what? Does this woman have no soul? What did Jon ever to to her that she has so much hatred towards him now? He was her compliant spouse for 10 years and is still the father of her brood -- and this is how she treats him. Unbelievable.
Anyone remember the movie "The Bad Seed"?

Not Watching TLC said...

According to TLC, they own the Gosselin name brand. I guess until a judge rules otherwise... and Khate can use the name as she was married to Kon. No law states she has to drop it.

No Khate fan - I'm just saying...

Jane in California said...

Jus saying said...

Why does TLC protect and promote Kate? Could it have something to do with a special relationship that Eileen O'neil has with Kate?

That Eileen really admires her and has a need to protect her?
* * * *

With TLC, as with any television network, it is all about making money. If you make money for the network, they love you. If you begin to lose your appeal and thereby bring in less money for the network, suddenly they don't take your phone calls anymore.

It's not Kate that TLC loves, it's the money to be made off those tups. Their aim in helping Kate is to help her get control over what the tups can and cannot do. If they have to destroy a man in the process, that's collateral damage and tough luck for Jon but it's all about the money.

I don't know this Eileen O'Neill, but she sounds hard as nails. I sincerely doubt she is carrying some lovelorn torch for Kate and therefore paving her way to success.

Again, it's all about the money and that's all it's ever been about for TLC and Kate. She provided them with fodder (the children) and they created the brand, and have gone so far as to give her an expensive body guard just to hopefully stave off Kate attacking some innocent fan who got too close with a camera.

As soon as those kids are deemed no longer marketable, Kate will find herself without friends at TLC.

Jane in California said...

Button Button said:
Also, I would watch The Survivor if Kate were on that show.

Wouldn't it be fun to see her dirty, hungry, WORKING, and trying to get along. Maybe she wouldn't even TRY to get along. She could just be her nasty, mean, narcissistic self, and I would watch every minute of it. Yessuree, I surely would.
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I would definitely tune in to see Kate on Survivor or Big Brother or better yet, Fear Factor. I'd love to see her take a turn on Celebrity Boxing. But where she would fit right in would be on that show (can't remember the exact name) - Help Me Get out of Here, I'm a Celebrity. Those are usually the bottom of the barrel never-will-be-a-true celeb celebs. They drop them in some tropical jungle and basically let them tear each other apart.

I would be in favor of any show that gets the witch out of the home and away from the children. At this point, that is the best thing we can hope for -- any job, any show, any little thing that will get her out of the home, away from the children, and out of earshot. If it's humiliating for her, so much the better.

Oh, and for the record, I think Barbara Walters is an idiot. She may have once been a journalist, but now she's just as desperate as Kate for the attention of the camera and will do or say anything to get viewers. I hope she is enjoying her roll in the muck with Kate.

Jane in California said...

Just wanted to say that child support and child visitation are two separate issues. The court system does not believe either parent should pay in order to have regular visitation with their child/ren.

In fact, if Kate withholds visitation because Jon wasn't able to make the monthly child support -- she would be held in contempt of court and could face sanctions.

That is a very serious no no in the family law system. It is not "pay to play."

I might know things said...

It is very possible that people who speak out on some things are family members or spouses, friends or girlfriend/boyfriend of someone who knows all but has signed a confidentiality agreement. It could be that they don't want to get in trouble : )

Tami said...

When Kate goes shopping at regular stores like Target, do you think it's all for show, to make it seem like she is just another "working" mother like everyone else, and then have the stuff she really wants from expensive stores privately shipped to the house?
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I actually think it is to stick it to Walmart. She did that clothing line (Healthex?) for them and they shut it down. We know she never liked Walmart anyway yet did a line with them? Now she shops Target to show Walmart what she thinks of them. Probably why she switched from Starbucks to Dunkin Donuts coffee too!

Aunt Chris said...

SherryInPA said...
Can the court take away all of Jons visitation rights if he doesn't pay child support?"

I don't know about in PA, but in NYS child support is completely separate from visitation. I work for Child Support and people often try to keep the paying parent out but it is not upheld in court.

WhatACrock said...

Is anyone else looking forward to Kate GOSSELIN's new show? I wonder if she'll keep up her trend of low-cut tops, too short skirts and hooker heels. I bet her face looks even more awful since the last time she made a public appearance. Ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside.

MickeyMcKean said...

Re: Barbara Walters

Jibberjabbers I completely agree with your post except that I would have to add that it is obvious to me that BW never watched one episode of J&K+8.

If BW had taken the time to watch an epidode, then and only then if she wants to believe Kate when she said that it was Jon who quit the marriage first, at least BW would understand that for 10 years he was a passive victim and why he "went wild".

Jon isn't the one who called it quits of course, it was Kate. All Kate. She said she knew it when she was returning on a trip from somewhere.

Barbara turned 80 years old this year. Just because Kate told her to her face that it was Jon who left, the fact is that Kate has been caught in so many lies and yet Barbara, a journalist, didn't even dig, even a little bit, to confirm and verify the truth even after all the posts that were made on THE VIEW's web site.

This is a little bit sad to me and IMHO BW is missing the obvious so perhaps it is time she should consider retiring.

Please said...

"Latest report from NE: Jon owes Hailey $90 grand which he borrowed when the arbitrator told him to return $180,000 to the joint account"

Yeah right! Where does Hailey get 90 grand? She doesn't even have a job, she never had a job. She just got out of school. I mean it's one thing parents support their adult children, let them live in parents' house, give them some money, food, but I doubt Hailey's parents would give her couple of grands per month. Food and shelter are already paid by daddy, how much more does she need? How much more is daddy willing to give? Not much, I am pretty sure.

Her dad is just a plastic surgeon. Hailey is not a Hilton or Johnson&Johnson heir, she is not a wealthy trust fund baby who gets tons of money from family wealth each month. Not ever plastic surgeon has a successful practice. Plastic surgeons have big overhead, office space, medical practice insurance, staff. They could go out of business too. I think Hailey's dad might be doing well but certainly doesn't have enough to treat her like a trust fund baby.

Techymum said...

WhatACrock said...
I just did a quick Google search and found out that the famous Canadian multiples are the Dionne quintuplets who were born in 1934. They were actually considered a tourist attraction!

Dear WhatACrock - I've copied here the letter from the surviving Dionne's wrote. I was not familiar with this family until I movd to Canada, and from the beginning of the J&K show, felt it was the modern version of what already happened. Perhaps even worse, as this time it was the parents selling the kids. In the Dionne's case the government took custody of them.

Dear Bobbi and Kenny,
If we emerge momentarily from the privacy we have sought all our adult lives, it is only to send a message to the McCaughey family. We three would like you to know we feel a natural affinity and tenderness for your children. We hope your children receive more respect than we did. Their fate should be no different from that of other children. Multiple births should not be confused with entertainment, nor should they be an opportunity to sell products.
Our lives have been ruined by the exploitation we suffered at the hands of the government of Ontario, our place of birth. We were displayed as a curiosity three times a day for millions of tourists. To this day we receive letters from all over the world. To all those who have expressed their support in light of the abuse we have endured, we say thank you. And to those who would seek to exploit the growing fame of these children, we say beware.
We sincerely hope a lesson will be learned from examining how our lives were forever altered by our childhood experience. If this letter changes the course of events for these newborns, then perhaps our lives will have served a higher purpose.
Sincerely, Annette, Cecile and Yvonne Dionne
As published in Time Magazine, 12/01/1997

Charles said...

Just like Tiger Woods "posse" helped him live like a sex maniac, TLC is protecting Kate.

It doesn't matter what the spouses or the children are going through because of their parent's behavior, just keep it all quiet.

Oops! Sometimes things slip out.

Midnight Serenade said...

@Amy

"We do not know how much it cost for those kids to go to a private schools."

One private school. And yes, I do (as do others)-- right down to the penny.

Starz22 said...

Ratings makes money.Thats why kate was on all these "shows".The people who interview her dont know anything more than what hit the tabloids. Poor mother of 8 trying to raise 8 kids all alone...dead beat dad hanging in bars and sleeping with a new woman every week.They didnt watch the show,they dont give a crap about what the mega beast did 5 years before this...what matters are the ratings they get NOW.The sheeple tune in to see her and worse the people who hate her "just had to watch".
Im sure she doesnt have enough of the sheeple fan base to carry a show with just her.

I do feel bad for Jon..yes hes made some bad decisions and his actions have made him look like a complete ass.The man needs help in so many ways.
I think Jon needs to somehow get the word out there that hes willing to give interviews WITH tlcs permission.He needs to take every offer he gets and run it by tlc.When tlc denys him permission,and they will...that will be the paper trail he needs to show that tlc is refusing to allow him to make/have any income.

He'll be able to go into court and say (with proof) I was offered to do this and this and was told NO by tlc over and over again.

I hope Jon isnt pushed into such a corner that he has no choice but to let them film the kids again.
I dont care to and wont watch anything that has kate in or on it.I'm tired of all the Gosselins.

singlemomsdon'tdance said...

Yes, Kate as a single mother needs to go on dancing with the stars...she needs to leave her children ALONE for an extended period of time.

How long are stars on dancing with the stars? How many weeks/months would she be away from her family.

Security, Overblown? said...

Geema said, "...Why would anyone who worked for them or with them not say a word? Their confidentiality agreement with all of these people must be scary... maybe you lose a finger or your first born child should you utter a sound. Maybe TLC and Kate stalk their help with the help of modern day electronics? It is just so strange that they are so protected."
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Yours is a very interesting question, Geema. I've wondered the same thing. There's some kind of weird rigidity/control going on. There are many true celebs who don't nearly have the amount of bodyguarding or "rules" for the public...it's been discussed here at length, months and months ago. I have lived in a town with, and worked side by side with famous people a few times in my life...you would know who they are...and I was never required to sign a confidentiality agreement. I wasn't "edited" in any way. One can only imagine what the regulations imposed are for household employees of Kate Gosselin. I sure wouldn't want to be one of her "workers."

jibberjabbers said...

singlemomsdon'tdance said...

How long are stars on dancing with the stars? How many weeks/months would she be away from her family.

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This isn't Kate's problem. She has nannies and baby sitters that watches the kids.

The kids are use to it by now. You think Kate actually spends time with the kids? She's too busy pushing her TC career.

Shoshanna said...

Please said...
"Latest report from NE: Jon owes Hailey $90 grand which he borrowed when the arbitrator told him to return $180,000 to the joint account"

Yeah right! Where does Hailey get 90 grand? She doesn't even have a job, she never had a job. She just got out of school. I mean it's one thing parents support their adult children, let them live in parents' house, give them some money, food, but I doubt Hailey's parents would give her couple of grands per month. Food and shelter are already paid by daddy, how much more does she need? How much more is daddy willing to give? Not much, I am pretty sure.

Her dad is just a plastic surgeon. Hailey is not a Hilton or Johnson&Johnson heir, she is not a wealthy trust fund baby who gets tons of money from family wealth each month. Not ever plastic surgeon has a successful practice. Plastic surgeons have big overhead, office space, medical practice insurance, staff. They could go out of business too. I think Hailey's dad might be doing well but certainly doesn't have enough to treat her like a trust fund baby.
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Please - Do you have any idea how much most
plastic surgeons make per year?
It's entirely conceivable that Hailey has an account
(which her parents have contributed to since her
birth) that has $90,000 in it!

Sshh! Don't Say A Word said...

Charles said...
Just like Tiger Woods "posse" helped him live like a sex maniac, TLC is protecting Kate.

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Wow, Charles. You just nailed it. You're right.

Grace B. said...

Why would Kate want to get rid of the Gosselin name? It's the same last name of her kids? It's much easier to deal with school and so on with the same last name. Besides, if she wants to do anything else, everyone knows her by that name.
I see no point in changing it. Many stars keep their own names after marrying, why not someone like Kate?

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

To my knowledge, based on previous posts and comments by Jon, the Gosselins' TLC contract runs out sometime next spring. He is to be paid by TLC until that time. Although weren't they under contract to be paid "per show?"

Jon appears to be very, very depressed. I hope his therapist gives better advice than previously. I hope he is loved and protected by his family. His chosen path of destruction must stop immediately. He is most worrisome.

MickeyMcKean said...

I might know things said...
It is very possible that people who speak out on some things are family members or spouses, friends or girlfriend/boyfriend of someone who knows all but has signed a confidentiality agreement. It could be that they don't want to get in trouble : )

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Completely understandable (and very likely) that it is possible that there are those individuals out there who were forced to sign a confidentiality agreement but yet still have a conscience and therefore they had to "vent" to someone close to them.

Once again all I ask is that if it becomes a matter of life and death that you find the strength to do what is morally right. Life is precious.

The Big Wooden Spoon said...

singlemomsdon'tdance said... How long are stars on dancing with the stars? How many weeks/months would she be away from her family.
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The longer, the better! That woman is horrid -- IMO the kids are better off with the not-a-nanny.

One More Time said...

TV 101 again. TV contracts are odd animals. You only get paid for the episodes produced. Somewhere I saw someone say DWTS pays the same for all. No, it doesn't. Jon would be paid for the episodes that were filmed (not necessarily aired). DWTS pays a base salary and then a per episode salary after that base (first episode).

The person can be "under contract" and NOT be being paid. Sounds crazy but is true. Most real stars will not sign such a deal, but I'm willing to bet Jon and Kate did. This is why entertainment lawyers have jobs.

Katan the Stupid said...

Gotta admit the divorce ruling really upset me. I don't even know these people, but the pure injustice floors me. Jon Gosselin is a sweet man and good father who decompensated in the wake of his divorce from his forceful, malevolent wife. TLC has overstepped all moral boundaries by interjecting themselves in the Gosselins' relationship/divorce. If you look at all the "bad things" Jon did, they were actually pretty tame and really only made himself look silly. How Kate could screw him over and gloat about it astounds me. But perhaps this is why she is so disliked..she truly is a terrible person who behaves in a fashion so foreign to all us normal folk. There's plenty to criticize about Jon but the guy did not and does not deserve what has happened to him. There are lots of passive people in this world, plenty who would act foolishly when presented with lots of money and celebrity status. He could not have imagined his behavior would lead to this outcome because he has been purposely f--ed over by his own wife and TLC in a way no decent person or entity could stomach. His current situation, especially this rampant public hatred directed at him, must be depressing. Does Kate really not care that her kids' father is probably depressed,distraught, and distracted? Wouldn't she want him to at least be on an even keel simply so that he is all there emotionally for the kids? I hope for good things for Jon. He has suffered enough. And Kate will someday pay
for this, I just have to believe that.

SandyW said...

I found this on Matt Roloff's blog he shares his take on Jon and Kate.

9. I’ve often wondered whether there have ever been discussions or plans for Jon and/or Kate and the kids to visit the farm (and be filmed by TLC of course!)?
And what do you think of what Jon and Kate are going through? Why has being on TV worked out for you, Amy and your family and not Jon and Kate?

Matt’s Answer:

Well, we have sat down and had dinner with Jon and Kate and discussed the possibility of them coming here. But we were never really able to come up with a
schedule that would work for all of us and the kids. But yes, we have had that discussion before and talked about how fun it would be for the little kids to be
on the farm. As for why it’s worked out for us and not them, I can’t answer what’s going on in their life because we don’t know. But, we certainly empathize with them. We know how stressful it can be to be on a show and to have cameras in your house. It’s very, very, stressful and difficult and not an easy task at all. We certainly feel very, very bad for what they’re going through but we certainly understand living in this life we both have chosen to live in.

dustilies said...

@ MickeyMcKean;

You are a class act, my dear! Thanks for reminding us that this blog is about compassion.

Yes, Jon seems depressed and has acted in ways that are incredibly self-destructive for someone in the limelight (though probably pretty normal for normal recently-divorced guys, with the exception of the NYC bachelor pad).

Kate worries me more. Jon is flexible and adaptable to a fault. Kate is as brittle as badly forged iron. I worry more about what she might do to herself in her attention-seeking pathology. Or to the kids in her rage about all the plans she made being thwarted.

To be clear: I am not scorning anyone out there who has been or is clinically depressed or has a narcissistic/martyr complex. My hat's off to all who honor themselves and their families by seeking help for the very real MEDICAL condition called depression or anxiety disorder.

Merrilee said...

Security, Overblown? said...
Geema said, "...Why would anyone who worked for them or with them not say a word? Their confidentiality agreement with all of these people must be scary... maybe you lose a finger or your first born child should you utter a sound. Maybe TLC and Kate stalk their help with the help of modern day electronics? It is just so strange that they are so protected."
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A woman featured on our local TV station will be on a segment of TLC and when asked what it would be about, she said she had signed a confidentiality statement and that she would be sued a million dollars if she talked about it before her appearance on TLC.

She didn't talk. Yep, money is big business.

jibberjabbers said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Jon appears to be very, very depressed.
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This recent photo says otherwise.

Jon Smiling

silimom said...

Even if Kate teamed with Jon in a lawsuit, TLC would still win. The bottom line is these two people made "audition" tapes and farmed out their children for the "American Dream". That was part of their popularity - a young couple in a unique situation who are faced with the everyday challenges we all face and just look - the Gods of TVland smiled and gave them wealth and a beautiful home just like in the Brady Bunch (Just don't look behind the curtain or you may see a broken marriage, depressed and neglected children - the ultimate dysfunctional family.)

They knew what they were doing and they were under management. If they did not bother to secure proper counsel before entering into contract negotiations, that is their bad. The courts won't care.

Kate knows it pays to be on the winning team and she's in it for whatever she can get. I also believe she knows the gravy train will end some day - ergo the shameless self promotion. She's going to take whatever she can.

Ihatefrogstoo said...

I just found the new TLCwithoutpity blog. Thanks!!

jibberjabbers said...

Kate wanted to drop "Gosselin" in favor of her maiden name, but TLC put a stop to it!

According to Ok Magazine!

Rumors circulated that Kate would drop the “Gosselin” in 2010 and return to her maiden name of “Kreider.”

However, a TLC spokesperson rejected the name-change claim stating the mother of eight is Gosselin through and through.

CanineDivine said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Jon appears to be very, very depressed.
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jibberjabbers said...
This recent photo says otherwise.

Jon Smiling
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With all due respect, even in the midst of a deep depression, you can have moments of light.

Anonymous said...

Kate told Jay Leno that she would like to be on Dancing With the Stars!! So does she really think she's a STAR????

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

However, a TLC spokesperson rejected the name-change claim stating the mother of eight is Gosselin through and through.

Sorry TLC but I beg to differ and I wont even get in to the OBVIOUS reasons why. Additionally, I find it very disturbing that a cable tv network has the power and ability to DICTATE and DEFINE what is considered 'acceptable' and 'unacceptable' as well as, what one 'should' and 'shouldnt' based on the terms and conditions of their own self serving 'reality'.

NT said...

It's hard to believe that a company can have such power over your life. Even telling you what name to have. Also,I've noticed that now that TLC is not filming the show anymore that we don't see one bit of Kate and the kids "giving back" this Christmas season. When it comes out of her pocket it's a whole nother story. Which goes without saying that when they "gave back" before,TLC paid for everything.

lifeoriley said...

You can be clinically depressed and still smile. There's even a term used--"smiling depression". A neighbor of mine (when I was in HS) committed suicide. We were all in shock as he seemed to always be smiling and happy-go-lucky. He worked at a local store and was very upbeat and pleasant to customers.
Jon's behavior over the last several months has been errratic, IMO. I don't know if he's depressed, but it is a real possibility. I can't imagine that either one--Jon or Kate is really very happy right now--for different reasons, of course. Kate may have "won" the battle--but she still hasn't won the war. Still no kids being filmed--no definite guarantee of a hit show (notwithstanding Barbara Walter's statements that Kate will have a career in TV).
Even with TLC and possibly others TV people in high places behind you, you are not guaranteed to be a success in TV. The network can heavily promote a show, and practically shove it down the audience's throats--but if viewers don't like it, they won't watch. If ratings are poor, the show gets axed. Sponsors won't pay the $$ for ad space. It's all about money in the end.

qtrfan said...

Ihatefrogstoo said...
I just found the new TLCwithoutpity blog. Thanks!!

Can you direct me? It doesn't show up when I search.

Thanks.

Geri said...

MickeyMcKean said...
Re: Barbara Walters

Jibberjabbers I completely agree with your post except that I would have to add that it is obvious to me that BW never watched one episode of J&K+8.

If BW had taken the time to watch an epidode, then and only then if she wants to believe Kate when she said that it was Jon who quit the marriage first, at least BW would understand that for 10 years he was a passive victim and why he "went wild".

Jon isn't the one who called it quits of course, it was Kate. All Kate. She said she knew it when she was returning on a trip from somewhere.

Barbara turned 80 years old this year. Just because Kate told her to her face that it was Jon who left, the fact is that Kate has been caught in so many lies and yet Barbara, a journalist, didn't even dig, even a little bit, to confirm and verify the truth even after all the posts that were made on THE VIEW's web site.

This is a little bit sad to me and IMHO BW is missing the obvious so perhaps it is time she should consider retiring.

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I agree that BW should retire. She should at least research before interviewing. She needs to LEARN how to use the internet, watch YouTube episodes (particularly Kate's worst moments) and read blogs. She is clearly totally in the dark about Kate Gosselin. It's like the Twilight Zone!

Peep said...

So, you do the bills? My kids are in private school. Could you tell me how much I am paying??

There was a photo taken of Kate in which she was holding a paper with the amount she was paying for tuition. So if the poster say that photo, yes, the know how much she is paying.

Also, the school does not hide how much it charges.

Midnight Serenade said...

@Amy

"So, you do the bills? My kids are in private school. Could you tell me how much I am paying??"

I'm a little bit confused. You stated that nobody knows the cost of the private school attended by the children. I replied that yes, I do, and others do as well. How would I know how much YOU are paying in tuition without knowing the school attended? What do grandparents' discounts have to do with the cost of the Gosselins' tuition?
I think I'm missing something here!

zoey said...

to stop the argument of who paid what for private school... we all Know what Kate pays for those kids to go to school because she couldnt help but Flaunt the paperwork detailing her bills INCLUDING private school to the paparazzi. Case closed

PA Woman said...

1) SherryInPA said...
Can the court take away all of Jons visitation rights if he doesn't pay child support? If he doesn't pay, can the court take away all of Jons rights as a parent?
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Child suppport and visitation are two different issues. One parent can not refuse visitation based on lack of payment for child support.

And as far as the high payments for child support, if Jon can't make the $10,000 payment, he should make a best effor to pay something on the payment schedule, even if it is only a few dollars. He needs to show a concise effort to comply, and then demonstrate that he can't make the size of the payment. Also, for those who asked, it is extremely rare for a parent to be jailed for lack of child support payment. The judges know that the payments will be ZERO while the father is in jail.



2) dustilies said...
Kate worries me more. Jon is flexible and adaptable to a fault. Kate is as brittle as badly forged iron. I worry more about what she might do to herself in her attention-seeking pathology. Or to the kids in her rage about all the plans she made being thwarted.

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I have had the same impression of Kate and Jon. Maybe that's why I haven't worried about Jon trying to make a living off of his (short-lived) fame. I think he is flexible enough to know when to give it up and look for a "regular" job. Jon also has family back in his life. And if he is depressed and having problems, at least now he has someone to turn to. Kate, does not.

3) silimom said...
Even if Kate teamed with Jon in a lawsuit, TLC would still win.

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Oh, I agree TLC would win (and will win against Jon). However, the info that would come out if Jon and Kate teamed against TLC in a lawsuit would be outrageous, and a total PR nightmare for TLC. That is what TLC is trying to avoid. The distribution of info on the filming of the show. They may have a confidentially agreement, but that would not apply in court. And remember, the press have made Kate the more believeable one so it would really hurt TLC if both Jon and Kate teamed against them.

Can't See Sheep said...

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

However, a TLC spokesperson rejected the name-change claim stating the mother of eight is Gosselin through and through.
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What is Gosselin through & through? I mean I know where the name comes from, it's heraldic coat of arms & the like, but what is Gosselin through & through? I'd like to hear TLC's definition of this, if they have one. Didn't she just walk all over a Gosselin family, Jon's family. Not much contact & all the other nonsense she does. She's only a Gosselin by marriage, too bad Jon can't take his name back. I don't believe for a moment that kate wanted to change her name back, that's just for show IMO. Gosselin is the name of her money makers, of course she's going to keep the name. She booted him out of the marriage & he can't even take his name back, bummer.

kate & the kids should be giving back to PA this Christmas whether or not there are cameras rolling. From the sounds of it, people have put up with a lot from that woman, it wouldn't hurt her once a year to thank them in some way. She wants the fame but none of the responsibility, not exactly surprising, just more disgust that she can't even manage to be charitable during the holiday season.

Ihatefrogstoo said...

I just found the new TLCwithoutpity blog. Thanks!!
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YES! I've got some googling to do.

my9cats said...

Amy said...
Midnight Serenade said...
@Amy

"We do not know how much it cost for those kids to go to a private schools."

One private school. And yes, I do (as do others)-- right down to the penny.
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So, you do the bills? My kids are in private school. Could you tell me how much I am paying?? I also have discounts from the greatgrandparents being founding members of the church. Oh, also, for the record, another discount for the grandmother being a member. Oh, and yes, another discount for their father of being a member.

So do you really know?

Shortened

If you know the name of the school you can go to their website and get the answers there. In fact on another site the tuition part was copy & pasted with the tuition amounts. Yes I know the name of the school. No I won't publish it.

Not Watching TLC said...

JMO but I believe that Oprah is Kates' backer. You would have to have a very powerful person behind Khate to have the blind favoritism the media displays to her across the board.

Also, Oprah and Baba are also tight media sisters, hence the rabid promotion that Baba is willing to do for Khate.

Oprah sees Khate as a bankable commodity and will promote her like she did Dr. Phil in order to get a payback on her investment.

JMO but look for Kate to be on Oprahs new station - Oprah is quitting her talk show to continue with programming in cooperation with Discovery who owns TLC.

A coincidence? I don't think so.

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