Court Allows an Injunction Based on TLC's Request

TLC got the injunction to keep Jon from accepting engagements not approved by TLC. The court case itself won't be until spring. Does anyone think that TLC will approve any requests from Jon?

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Ohio Buckeye said...

Of course TLC will disallow Jon from doing anything. They have all the power. But Jon signed the contract, so is ultimately responsible for his own predicament.

One wonders WHO advised Jon to go ahead with the appearances that put him in breach of his contract.

Did he choose lawyers THIS inept, or did he opt to disregard legal advice and pursue his own interests?

No matter how it's reviewed, the bottom line is that Jon got himself into this current mess.

So far Jon has pursued a) growing his media exposure and b) growing his romantic adventures.

He has failed on both counts.

Let's hope Santa brings the man a brain for Christmas.

Doris said...

There is something terribly wrong with a large corporation and a wife actively working to destroy a man because they can!

Jon may be an idiot when it comes to legal matters but for TLC to continue to try and destroy the father of 8 kids is beyond evil and beyond reprehensible, and for Kate the succubus to sit by and allow it to happen and more than likely actively participating is beyond being evil.

Jon needs to sue Kate the succubus for alimony. I would under normal circumstances not suggest that (as I think it is disgusting for a man to ask for alimony), but in this case...it is more than called for!

Minka's tail said...

Jon is cooked. I've never seen anything like this. It proves that media bias is not necessarily against only certain politicians or political parties, but against anyone who is considered undesirable for whatever reason. It will be completely spun so that she is good and he is bad, and he won't even have a chance to defend himself or earn a living. What a mess.

Is there anyone who can help him?
The only way he can win is if he basically says, "I don't want to be on television anyway" and actually gets a good, respectable job out of the public eye.

If I had a company, I would hire him. Really. Otherwise, it's inevitable: with TLC's backing, and the media taking her side because she's charismatic, attractive and a "single mom" (making her teflon), Jon will lose custody. Kate will have them back on television, or else she will completely ignore them and they'll be left with rotating nannies.

The only thing that can stop this is if he gets another job and starts appearing stable. What are the chances of that, do you think?

Katherine H. said...

Think about this: TLC is a business, there is no emotional aspect to their actions. No revenge motive. Purely business, purely money. By TLC's yardstick, Jon is not rich. Even if TLC wins hands-down, the best they can hope to get out of Jon is to recover their legal costs, and maybe not even all. So why are they pursuing the case?

TLC's lawsuit is designed to pressure Jon into relenting on the ban against filming the kids, which in the first place was a legal tactic designed to pressure TLC into letting him out of his contract. The ploy failed of course, because TLC knows that they have much more money than Jon and he will run out of money to pay his lawyers long before TLC.

However it seems that Jon is determined to fight, either from his own bullheadedness, or by his lawyers who are happy to take his money as long as he has any.

If Jon doesn't cave, and even if TLC has decided the Gosselin "brand" is no longer a valuable commodity and doesn't intend to re-start Kate+8, then the lawsuit will still serve TLC to make an example out of Jon for other current and future reality "stars", to make it clear nobody gets away with breaching their contracts. Spend a little money now, to avoid multiple future litigations. TLC will not give an inch, as they have no interest in settling the suit. They will want to squash him in open court and leave him bankrupt by legal costs.

Either way, TLC holds all the cards, and Jon is likely to get nothing, regardless of what he does or doesn't ask for.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

I think it's unfair since the show is over and Jon needs to make money, even if it is apppearances and interviews. Everyone says he needs to get a job, how can he when the courts are letting TLC say when he can, which they won't. I hope the whole network goes under.

jasmine said...

Why would TLC stop Jon from doing commercials that are not in conflict with his brand or image (whatever that is)? I could see Jon in a detergent commercial, washing and scrubbing dirty laundry, hanging the clean wash on a clothes line to air out. Or air fresheners, deodorizers, sanitizers, breath mint commercials, etc. Maybe they are all too controversial for TLC.

can't stand her said...

TLC can put the screws on Jon but only until May. He can survive that long unemployed, especially with assets from the divorce coming his way. He should lay low and not let them resume filming the kids. All he has now is his integrity. If he loses that, he will blow any credibility in the future. Also, he will be a much more sympathetic person when he writes the tell all about Kate AND TLC. People say he made his own bed, and that's true. But he also put his trust in his wife and TLC to behave justly and with the children foremost in their actions. Maybe he's naive but why would he expect these people to try to ruin him, especially Kate? No matter how much she hates him (still can't figure that one out), she owes it to her kids to stand by their dad before her "work". Having grown up sheltered myself, I found it eye opening, shocking, and disappointing to be messed with over business dealings. Even though the lawsuit against me was without merit, don't think for a second that I didn't suffer for it. And it forever changed my perception of people for the worse. So sad.

BH said...

Not unless Jon's request is to squeeze back under TLC's thumb and to hack off his own testicles and crawl back to Kate for a lifetime of punishment.

It was not a good idea for him to make appearances when TLC objected except when Kate had been okayed to do those appearances by TLC. He certainly (they certainly) have enough money that he could've just cooled his heels.

Bad judgment taking up with Lohan and company on his part. Bad karma for Kate in everything she does. The same for TLC.

jibberjabbers said...

The only reason why TLC is suing Jon and not Kate.

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TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him.

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Kate can do whatever interview/media appearance she wants but Jon can't?

How many "media appearance" did TLC deny Kate?

Sounds more like TLC is just using this as an excuse to pressure Jon into retracting his objection to the kids being filmed.

TLC lawsuit will continue in the spring. Kate's new show will begin in the spring..

hmmmm... Is TLC giving Kate a "fake show" til spring just to hold her off? Then Drop her?

Or is TLC expecting that Jon will handover the kids to TLC in the spring?

GoPoshGo said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
One wonders WHO advised Jon to go ahead with the appearances that put him in breach of his contract.

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It was Jon's own delusions of invincibility that allowed him to thumb his nose at his TLC contract. Remember the claims of being more popular than Michael Jackson ... or whatever outlandishly pretensious claim it was. Jon seemed to think that, because their show was number one, he somehow had TLC in the palm of his hand. It's a little sad, because his overestimation of his importance to TLC is really the result of his incredible naivete and lack of business sense.

I don't think Jon's actions were the result of bad advice from lawyers or from that waste-of-skin Lohan at all. His attitude of "I'll do whatever the hell I like, and screw TLC" was simply the result of someone whose head got too big too fast, and who started to believe his own press.

Just my opinion, of course. ;)

Canadian Mom said...

TLC will approve one thing for sure...

A public apology to them by Jon - on Larry King Live no doubt...

lisa k. said...

As some one else said...Jon needs to write a book at this point and expose all of them for what they have done. Please Jon, write the BOOK!

Integrity and Jon in the same sentence? said...

"TLC can put the screws on Jon but only until May. He can survive that long unemployed, especially with assets from the divorce coming his way. He should lay low and not let them resume filming the kids. All he has now is his integrity. If he loses that, he will blow any credibility in the future. Also, he will be a much more sympathetic person when he writes the tell all about Kate AND TLC. People say he made his own bed, and that's true. But he also put his trust in his wife and TLC to behave justly and with the children foremost in their actions. Maybe he's naive but why would he expect these people to try to ruin him, especially Kate? No matter how much she hates him (still can't figure that one out), she owes it to her kids to stand by their dad before her "work". Having grown up sheltered myself, I found it eye opening, shocking, and disappointing to be messed with over business dealings. Even though the lawsuit against me was without merit, don't think for a second that I didn't suffer for it. And it forever changed my perception of people for the worse. So sad"

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Most people would disagree with you about Jon still having his integrity. IMO he lost it many months ago.

chicken potsticker said...

Here is what I don't understand... and what is the total INJUSTICE of the whole situation... why is there an injuntion against Jon, and notKATE?! KATE is free to do whatever she pleases, flit from talk show to talk show, possibly have her OWN talk show, woe is me... yet Jon is not free to make a living for himself and his breadth? Totally nonsensical! To anyone who is not completely subjective in the matter it is obvious that this is all 100% unfair. This man cannot win! We have all made mistakes from time to time but what is being doled out here is not fair at all. It's an eye for an eye, if KATE is free to do whatever, then so be it for Jon... they were all in this together. My husband is in law school and this makes no sense to him, he says that if he were Jon's lawyer he could sort this out in no time.

momo3 said...

. All he has now is his integrity. If he loses that, he will blow any credibility in the future.

He lost that a LONG tine ago.

rural mom said...

Note Heller, the lawyer from hell, said he foresees Jon settling with TLC so they can resume filming Jon and Kate plus Eight. There goes any credibility Jon had. It was a stunt pulled to get him out of his exclusivity contract. Now that they have lost they are going groveling back to TLC to get Jon and the kids back on the air so the paycheques resume.

Rename said...

Jon may be an idiot when it comes to legal matters but for TLC to continue to try and destroy the father of 8 kids is beyond evil and beyond reprehensible, and for Kate the succubus to sit by and allow it to happen and more than likely actively participating is beyond being evil."


Well said. One day the children will grow up and understand this too.

Rename said...

The only thing that can stop this is if he gets another job and starts appearing stable. What are the chances of that, do you think?



I think this is what tlc wants- Jon to go quietly away, stay low and not attract any media attention. Then they will be free to brand Katie Irene as they see fit.

answers said...

Jonathan and Katie- what have you done to your kids?

GoPoshGo said...

chicken potsticker said...
Here is what I don't understand... and what is the total INJUSTICE of the whole situation... why is there an injuntion against Jon, and notKATE?!

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I think it's as simple as the fact that Jon violated his contract, and Kate didn't. Her interviews are all TLC-sanctioned, and she doesn't appear to make appearances that they disapprove of. She doesn't violate the confidentiality clause of her contract -- in fact, we've all seen that she'll actually go to great lengths to perpetuate the lies. Jon spoke about things he should not have (as per his contract), and made appearances that violated the exclusivity part of his contract. Yes, it sucks that Kate has a free pass to bash Jon in the media any chance she gets -- but TLC hates Jon now, so of course they will allow -- if not outright encourage -- it.

As for a tell-all that some people are hoping Jon will write ... I don't think that's going to happen any time soon, since he's still bound to the confidentiality clause of his contract. I highly doubt the kids signed anything, though, so perhaps Beth Carsen can interview Mady and Cara, and write the tell-all from their points of view. Now that's a book I'd buy.

Also, I'm wondering what happened to all the hoopla surrounding the violation of PA child labor laws. It seems like such an open and shut case to me: It's easy to prove the shows were "scripted" (or at least not "documentaries"): there's evidence the kids were fed lines, and scenes were re-shot to get the right moment, etc. That means the kids were working and were acting. Which means, according to PA child labor laws, work permits were required for each child. I'm curious as to why this angle isn't being pursued by Jon's lawyers.

Not a Rocket Scientist said...

I don't see why it's such a head scratcher as to why Kate is allowed to do media appearances.

Obviously Kate is being groomed by TLC. All of her appearances are approved or maybe even set up by TLC. She and TLC want the show to continue for monetary reasons.

Jon stopped the show. He went on record trashing it and saying it was unhealthy. He talks crap about TLC and Kate. Obviously they are not pleased.

All in all, Kate can do whatever she wants because she's on TLC's side. It's not unfair IMO. Jon stopped their #1 show and destroyed their image, or "brand" as they love to say. In doing so, he violated his contract. He gets to deal with that now.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"I'm curious as to why this angle isn't being pursued by Jon's lawyers."

It is. It's been addressed in the injunction, and his countersuit will deal with it as well.

Pa Mom Knows said...

Weren't they both scheduled to appear in Atlantic City this summer and TLC canceled the appearances -- Kate's as well as Jon's?

Pattypanda said...

I guess a lot will depend on how much the divorce costs each of them. If they have each been contributing 7,500 per month, what will be the first that will go if he doesn't have the income. If he's under "contract" does he get some of that income? If he had a brain, he'd demand a dollar for dollar accounting of what that is supposed to cover. Make sure it's just for the support of the kids, their school and part of their mcmansion. McMansion is a nice to have, but not necessary for anyone but Kate. Why does she need another huge SUV besides the diesel van? I'm sure they can find a $400,000 home w/ 4 or 5 bedrooms closer to the kids school. A full time nanny isn't a necessity, since all the kids should be in school at least part of 5 days a week, if hey weren't being held back, unless you're just a lazy ass parent. Anyway, they will be 6 soon, and should be in first grade. And I'd be sure that I wasn't paying for her "security". I don't believe Kate spends any significant $$ on food per week. She is never seen at a grocery store w/ a full cart. Are they still living on free juicy juice. No wonter the kids teeth are rotten. They should have gotten Crest as a sponsor. Notice how now that they aren't a weekly show, TLC isn't feeding RADAR with daily Kate viewings, thank God. I'm sure those poor kids don'ts have any idea of a Christmas tradition like Chrismas cookies. Back to my dough making and baking. Maybe a class of wine if I'm lucky.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Yada Yada Yada, Yawn will settle, allow the kids to be filmed, probably get some sort of extension on HIS contract plus more bucks. Note to the Kons, TLC knows you sux, they want the kids because that is who viewers want to watch, not you two losers.

Bubbles said...

The article jibberjabber linked to, on the myfoxphilly website, says that NC has different child labor laws than PA. That would explain why Kate was reported to have been looking at properties when she was there at the beginning of the summer.

The article also mentions that Kate's eyes look much different in the BW interview. I haven't seen the interview but the pic they show with the article definitely shows that Kate's eyes do look different - they seem to have a slightly Asian look about them now. If she had surgery for that, it's disturbing!

Exhausted said...

Does Jon deserve all this? Probably. You're supposed to think of your kids' well being all the time, not when it's convenient...and not when you're just trying to get back at TLC. If he had violated his contract to do simple commercials or to give interviews about the harmful effects of reality TV and the power of sleazy corporations like TLC, I would see him as a champion.

But to let Extra (or whatever program it was) follow you and have personal details about your children for money or to appear at some seedy Las Vegas party was just asking for trouble. We want to get behind Jon because he is a saint compared with Kate, but the reality is that he's almost as vile. Even the fact that he lives three hours from his children so he can pretend he's a Bachelor half the week is ridiculous. As a father, most decisions I make revolve around my children (getting a 2 bedroom apartment when you have 8 kids!?), and they are just an afterthought to these two.

But as someone said, Kate is disgusting to let them throw her children's father under the bus. She could absolutely say, "Listen. For whatever has happened, I will not allow you to cripple my ex-husband financially or discredit him publicly." She might need Jon someday, and payday isn't always on Friday.

The most interesting thing from this mess (something Kate does not foresee) will be when Kate's newest show fails in ratings and her last crew of Sheeple stop caring about her. She will look at the executives at TLC (her supposed allies and only family/friends she has left) and say, "So, okay. What's next for us?" And the only sound will be crickets chirping.

Why? said...

Doris said...

There is something terribly wrong with a large corporation and a wife actively working to destroy a man because they can!

Jon may be an idiot when it comes to legal matters but for TLC to continue to try and destroy the father of 8 kids is beyond evil and beyond reprehensible, and for Kate the succubus to sit by and allow it to happen and more than likely actively participating is beyond being evil.

Jon needs to sue Kate the succubus for alimony. I would under normal circumstances not suggest that (as I think it is disgusting for a man to ask for alimony), but in this case...it is more than called for!

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Why is it disgusting for a man to ask for alimony? Lots of women today are the family breadwinners or make more than their husbands.

Stop Defending the Guy said...

can't stand her said...

TLC can put the screws on Jon but only until May. He can survive that long unemployed, especially with assets from the divorce coming his way. He should lay low and not let them resume filming the kids. All he has now is his integrity. If he loses that, he will blow any credibility in the future.

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He lost his integrity long ago, assuming he had any to begin with.

cant stand her said...

Hang on guys, let me clarify. Regarding Jon's integrity: I am referring to his standing his ground regarding filming of the kids. He needs to stand firm or he will be forever viewed as having no integrity regarding his concern that the show is bad for his kids. No doubt he has made mistakes, but he should not compound them by relenting on this matter.

she is evil said...

rural mom, If what you say is true, that Jon's lawyer has hinted that Jon will relent and let filming resume, I am finally rendered speechless regarding any sympathy for Jon. Those kids are ALL ALONE in this world if he sells them out yet again. If true, then neither parent cares about them the way a parent should, neither parent is willing to protect them. Scarier still, those kids have been isolated from anyone who really does care about them. Maybe this was Kate's plan all along. No pesky realtives or friends around to tell her she is doing wrong by her kids. Oh, say it ain't so. Jon was their last and only hope.

Isa said...

I have to wonder if Jon stopped filming in order to negotiate salaries for each child.

I really really hope he stopped it in order to control the monster that was eating him and the family.

Moo said...

re:She is evil
They are in school, so at least they have regular access to outside adults.

pogo said...

You know what gets me is that the Civil Liberty union and thoses other rights people are not even, saying or doing anything for the Gosselin children. They have with a kid in Chicago years ago, who was not even a citizen, nor were his parents, but they stepped in and kept the process going till the kid was of legal age and could stay here legally. His parents could not make it here in the US, and wanted to go back to their country, but the kid did not want to go back. So where are these do gooders now. The Gosselin children need protection from a greedy corporation and a psycho mother that is tryin to own them, like merchandise, which they are not. Where are you Human Rights People or the ones who protect children and their rights? Where are the childrens lawyers? Well, Nancy Grace big mouth, you support Kate but say nothing about the kids rights? Anybody else?

GoPoshGo said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
"I'm curious as to why this angle isn't being pursued by Jon's lawyers."

It is. It's been addressed in the injunction, and his countersuit will deal with it as well.

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Well, Amen to that. THIS is the issue I'm interested in seeing hashed out ... as I believe it's the one that has the potential to bring TLC to its knees. I also suspect it's why TLC insists on strong-arming Jon. I really do think that they're trying to make an example of him for their other "employees" -- most especially those whose shows involve small children. So many of TLC's shows involve minors -- and they'd be up you-know-what's creek if anyone actually investigated the child labor issue. I personally think they're strong-arming Jon as a message to the other shows: Don't "f" with us. The good news is, TLC is NOT above the law. Fingers crossed Jon's lawyers or some other capable lawyer will take on this case against TLC's exploitation of the kids.

One can hope...and my fingers will remained crossed.

ErinKate said...

I have one thing to say:

Thank goodness Tiger Woods is such a freak or we would be hearing about Kate all day and night, and I am not sure which is worse.

CakeIsGreat said...

"I'm curious as to why this angle isn't being pursued by Jon's lawyers."


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I think that's Jon's big bargaining chip he's hoping he won't have to cash in. If there's talk of Jon and TLC "settling", then his counter-suit probably will be dropped as part of it. Jon can't open up the labor-law issue can too soon, because once that is out there a higher power (aka State of PA vs TLC most likely) will step in and the show will be halted indefinitely. If Jon is looking to settle, and maybe let the filming continue (with a better pay-deal, I'd bet), he can't have that happen. But the threat of using it if he has to is the best thing he has on TLC to get his way... whatever that may be. Plus, I'm curious, as parents, couldn't Jon/Kate be in trouble if they've willing allowed these laws to be broken (which they had to have known)? Don't they finally have to be held accountable for intentionally illegally working their children so much to get out of having to do real 9-5 work?

brennie said...

Wait, we cannot rewrite history. Jon told TLC to let him out of his exclusivity contract (but to continue to pay him) OR he would bar the kids from filming. He USED his kids as a bargaining chip. I can understand how many think the end justifies the means, but it sure does not make Jon a hero.

Now money that belongs to the kids will be used to pay his legal fees.

Ava's Mommy said...

This only happened because Jon woke up and wanted a new life. Maybe he did want the kids out of the spotlight. Maybe he wanted revenge over kate and tlc. Maybe he was reading the blogs and said "gezz if I do this everyone will like me". I was on Jons side for awhile. But frankly he is just like kate sometimes. Looking for the easy buck out. Life is not about the easy way. Look how many interviews, photospreads, products, partys etc Jons has done. Seriously he has not had the best actions for a LONG WHILE.. He is a father of 8 kids. He should of not be around people that are only 10 years old. Than his old ones drinking it up. He should be taking the high road and find a good job. Kate well she is a diffrent story.

But if you think about it Kate was ALWAYS the little star of the show. Jon was the backdrop punching bag. Kate recived more time than anyone. If you add it together Kate about 65% 25% kids and 10% jon. Maybe my figures are wrong in some eyes. But come on.. Kate talked jon just sat zoned out. Granted Jon did most of the work. But Kate deliberately made it this way. So she could have more cam time. Also yes Jon had more hands on time with the kids. Kate did not have that much hands on time with the kids. She was to busy doing interviews and chatting it up with the crew. It seemed like Jon was Kates slave. Doing the dirty work so she could have the non stress life of a mom. What mom doesnt give her child a bath? What mom doesnt put her kid to bed? what mother doesnt sit down on the floor and play a game with her kid? If you did see kate do half of these things you would see her stress level rise.. Jon on the other hand did do these things without having a problem.

To me Jon and Kates 15 min's s up.. Everyone is sick of them. They are yesterdays news trash. Personally kate already had a show. It was called jon and kate plus hate 8 sorry.. Jon is really not tv worthy either is Kate. WoW so they had 8 kids. Big woopie doo. Reality show dealing with kids has taken its toll. Mostly all reality shows have. In this era everyone and their mother thinks they are a 15 min star entertainer. Shock value is huge now. People think oh my kids are star's once again easy buck. We need to wake up.. Get up.. Turn off the tv and read a book.

ManicNarcissism said...

chicken potsticker said...

Here is what I don't understand... and what is the total INJUSTICE of the whole situation... why is there an injuntion against Jon, and notKATE?! KATE is free to do whatever she pleases, flit from talk show to talk show, possibly have her OWN talk show, woe is me... yet Jon is not free to make a living for himself and his breadth? Totally nonsensical! To anyone who is not completely subjective in the matter it is obvious that this is all 100% unfair. This man cannot win! We have all made mistakes from time to time but what is being doled out here is not fair at all. It's an eye for an eye, if KATE is free to do whatever, then so be it for Jon... they were all in this together. My husband is in law school and this makes no sense to him, he says that if he were Jon's lawyer he could sort this out in no time.

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It's quite simple.

The contract is set up as TLC is the parent, they have to approve each and every one of the media appearances. Therefore, since Kate is drinking the TLC kool-aid and working in step with TLC they approve her appearances, in fact encourage them to save the show and reputation of TLC. Jon did not want to further the show or help TLC so TLC would not approve his appearances. Jon signed a contract making TLC his parent with full authority. That was his mistake. It might not be "fair" but it is legal.

As a parent I can choose for whatever reason to give my one daughter cake and not the other. Maybe one misbehaved, maybe she is too little, maybe I just feel like it. It might not be fair, but it is within my right as a parent. Jon agreed to TLC having full authority of his business in April of 2008 and that was a huge mistake.

What Jon should have done since he did sign the contract was not go against his contract at all but play the public. When Kate was giving her story all over the place he should have given a comment to every show and pap he could find saying "I have a story too, but I'm not allowed by TLC to give it. No comment." If we kept hearing Kate's side of the story but never Jon's the public would have turned on TLC. The questions ET would be asking is - TLC, what are you afraid of? Why are you gagging Jon? What is Jon's side of the story? Jon could have just sat back until TLC was put in such a position that THEY would have had to make a move. But, Jon is so idiotic that he hung himself. Sad to say Kate is the brains in that outfit.

When Jon has spoke, he has not done much to alter people's perception of the time line of the separation or divorce either. I don't know why we never heard more of the "contract" between him and Kate allowing him to cheat or his suspicions of Steve. The first time we could really rally behind Jon was the LKL where he took the kids of the show. Now, we all know that was just a business move. It is all so sad.

Can't See Sheep said...

The Gosseling children are going to have to grow up quickly in their own self-defence, these two parents are not good for them. If Jon does not stand his ground on them not being in the show then he deserves whatever he gets. He really does need to stand his ground. As for a book, he needs to get one written & have it ready for release the moment he is no longer bound by TLC. He needs to ask Beth or Aunt Jodi who he should get to help him write it (& keep it secret), not his lawyer or his agent, I have the feeling a magic 8 ball would give better advice than those two fame seeking yoyo's. He isn't going to be able to say anything the kids don't already know or won't be able to find out growing up, unfortunately.

He also needs to realize that he is his children's only hope. Yes I realize how glum that seems to many, but it's true. Investigations into the child labour laws are probably bogged down in red tape these things seem to take time. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that TLC is doing whatever they can to slow the investigation down. They've already shown that they're dirty, crooked & without morals. Pay this person off, pay that person off, whatever it takes. Nope, I haven't heard anything about them doing it, it just wouldn't surprise me if they did, they are the bottom of the barrel.

Where are the civil rights or human rights people? Whichever group it should be? The rights of these children are being trampled & no one is anywhere to be seen. A child should not have to be physically harmed to get help. I have no doubt that TLC is playing bully on the block. If they tear Jon up then none of the other families will dare challenge them, they really, really need to be brought down.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Scarier still, those kids have been isolated from anyone who really does care about them."
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This would really be frightening if it were true. Granted, their grandparents and relatives have been removed from their lives, but they are in a school community where they are very much cared for by adults who protect them -- the children have friends their own age as well.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Well, Nancy Grace big mouth, you support Kate but say nothing about the kids rights?"

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Nancy Grace is too busy talking about her twins, and what she does when she gets home...walks straight to their rooms to make sure they are there, makes sure they are breathing, calls them during commercials, knows exactly which pajamas she dressed them in when she left home, knows how many poops they have in their diapers, etc. ad nauseum. I really don't care what her children had for snacks, and I don't want to see any photos of them, but she just doesn't get it.

Since she had the babies, she's sat there with a perpetual scowl on her face. Of course she supports Kate...they are two peas in a pod.

readerlady said...

Re the ACLU stepping in here, I may be wrong, but I think the ACLU has to be asked to step in by someone - an interested party or one of the litigants. I'd love to see them get involved in this, too. The issue may not be high profile enough for them, though.

Silimom said...

It will be interesting to see what the judge says about Jon's countersuit. I'm not sure how well it will go as TLC's lawyers most likely make the argument that his injunction to cease filming was simply a case of sour grapes and frankly I'm not all that impressed with his current lawyers ability to perform in court. He seems more like the kind of guy who encourages his clients to settle so he'll get a payout. Jon is his own worst enemy right now. His claim that filming ruined his family would hold a lot more weight if he wasn't actively pursuing a career in reality entertainment. This is a case where unfortunately the consequences of his actions these past months will not only be paid by him but by his children as well. He will cave and he will allow TLC and Kate to
continue filming the kids in exchange for a fat paycheck. And he will lose any scrap of integrity he has left, which isn't much IMO.

Pamela Jaye said...

I can't argue with the concept that Jon should sue for alimony (where is Jon living these days?)
Also, does anyone know the length of Jon's contract? (aka when will he be free to appear before the media which will no longer care about him by then(maybe he should start hanging out with Tiger Woods - I FF through tons on Tiger "coverage" on ET and AH these days. Make the work so much shorter))

Brummygirl said...

If there is any justice.......we all know that saying but there is no justice when you are dealing with a big corporation like T.L.C. They film dirty, they play dirty but ultimately they have big lawyers and contracts, one of which Jon broke.
If he hadn't have acted like a child with eight children, maybe he could have gained some credibility. If he had just taken the kids out of filming and lain low for the entire contract, maybe, just maybe he could have made it. I doubted from the beginning his hiring that questionable lawyer. From the get go he did not come across as smart as Kate's lawyers.
I do feel somewhat sorry for Jon because he was caught on a wave of ill advice and as some have stated, he was naive about most things. Can we question this when he spent ten years of purgatory with Kate. He was young when they met, so had no experience in the big pool with the sharks. Kate learned very quickly because she orchestrated their lives from the beginning.
If Jon caves now and puts those kids back on film, he will not only have lost his soul but theirs too.
I guess the question is, if they do once again film the children, is anyone going to be interested now? From the public opinion I read, everyone is sick and tired of the name Gosselin, so T.L.C. will have a very hollow victory. The children are growing and are not so cute any more.
If Jon sticks to his guns, then Kate will probably see herself put out with the next week's garbage as T.L.C. swallows up yet another unsuspecting family.
I can see Kate when she is past her sell by date, alone, waiting for the pink phone to ring!!!

Pamela Jaye said...

thanks @can't stand her. May isn't that far off. Jon must ave some kind of savings of something (and maybe his mom would let him sack out on her couch for a few)

Yes, Jon can get a job - as far as i know, it just can't be in media. Normal job. IT, work in hotel, be ski trainer! (it's winter, best time. plus, he couldn't advertise but perhaps word of mouth, rumor, might bring curious Jon/J&K+8 fans and Sheeple to ski resort increasing business. I believe TLC can't keep him from signing an autograph - just from publicizing "take a lesson with Jon Gosselin"
Yes/No?

AND - even if Kate were to have sole custody, the contract with TLC said either parent could stopthe show. Can a sole custody parent legally sign a contract for the kids to star in a new show?

Also, why *didn't* they more "somewhere warmer?" (like NC where the laws are laxer)

and finally, does GWOP (or any of its posters) have any plans to push for a national Children in reality TV law as Paul Peterson suggested? You definitely have the audience, and this is the only solution TLC can't loophole their way around.

I heard Paul tried to get guardianship of Suleman kids but was said to have no legal standing.

Pamela Jaye said...

*Can* Jon (with a ghost-writer) write a tell all? has any of his contracts' confidentiality clause which prevent him, and if so for how long? If he could write something to be released later, wouldn't he get an advance? (and hopefully a leg chain to keep him inside, working on the task at hand? so that the publishing house wouldn' have to sue him too?)

Pamela Jaye said...

Here is what I don't understand... why is there an injuntion against Jon, and notKATE?! KATE is free to do whatever she pleases...

Kate is also free to dress like a hooker, yet TLC doesn't invoke their morals clause on that

In fact, TLC show force her to dress down - back to her days as Ordinary Mom (for all public appearances, including paparazzi shoots at Target). Especially since this is who "America fell in love with" - Most moms can't relate to $400 shoes - and the tasty dessert topping: It would really piss Kate off.

mullets r us said...

Considering I can't stand Jon or Kate I really do feel bad for the kids. Should be an interesting Christmas for the kids. It's all really very sad when you think about it.

Maude said...

The ACLU defended the civil liberties of MBLA, the Man Boy Love Association.

I wouldn't put too much hope in them actually helping children in trouble when they supported a group of pedophiles.

And as far as the kids having adults looking out for them at school, #1. No one is going to look out for you like family, Kate has made sure the kids don't have that safety net. #2. Does anyone remember that little girl in NY (was her name Eisenberg?)That child came to school with obvious signs of abuse and neglect. No one was able to do anything, and her monster adoptive father killed her.

It breaks my heart that these children don't have anyone who puts them first. Every child deserves that.

jasmine said...

The labor laws were brought up by Jon's lawyer in the court hearing. TLC admitted in court they did not obtain the proper permits prior to filming and also did not set up separate accounts or financial payments for the children.

Since Jon is no longer allowed to speak freely to the paparazzi and hold impromptu interviews at his home, this will benefit his children. Jon can still try to find work doing commercials, advertisements, promotional appearances for companies. Not all jobs are related to booze, bars, bikinis, and boobs.

kate is a ocky bitch said...

just 1 more reason why I despise TLC and Queen-Kate

Anonymous said...

Maude said, "The ACLU defended the civil liberties of MBLA, the Man Boy Love Association." They defended NAMBLA's right to free speech (not what they were saying). They've defended the rights of fundamentalist churches too.

They'd defend the Gosselin children too if a Constitutional right had been infringed, but that's just not the case. Unfortunately, the Gosselin children have simply suffered from what should be, but unfortunately is not, the human right to have parents looking out for their children's best interest!

Sidney said...

The article also mentions that Kate's eyes look much different in the BW interview. I haven't seen the interview but the pic they show with the article definitely shows that Kate's eyes do look different - they seem to have a slightly Asian look about them now. If she had surgery for that, it's disturbing!

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Shades of Michael Jackson!

can't stand her said...

I'll probably get hammered for this, but doesn't this whole TLC lawsuit against Jon just stink of wrong? Technically, I guess the guy is in violation of his contract by doing the pool party, but sue him? Neither he nor Kate have behaved in a wholesome fashion in my opinion. Jon's actions are just more obvious (photographed hanging with slutty girls) whereas Kate's are more subtle (boob or ass hanging out accidentally, hitting her child disguised as discipline, lying to make Jon look bad). If you dig beneath the surface,however, Kate is a bigger liability to TLC, especially if rumors about her fertility follies and alleged boy/girlfriends are in fact true. Yeah, Jon probably shouldn't have done the Vegas thing, but how about a stern talking to by TLC and Jon promising not to do it again? In the long run, wouldn't it have been cheaper for tlc to play nice with Jon? It wouldn't have been the best thing for the kids but from a business standpoint, why not give him money, and be generous about it, and they might still have their moneymaking show? This lawsuit seems vindictive more than anything

Closerfan said...

We really don't know for sure - maybe Jon is already working on a tell all book (he's just doing it under the radar). Of course, that would mean he would have to keep his mouth shut until May (and we all know Jon isn't the brightest light on the tree) and he has a habit of shooting off his mouth.

I can see it now - Jon is reciting his life story while Hailey is furiously typing away on her PC...

Just sitting on the sidelines said...

I think TLC is being petty and vindictive also. Not to mention that law firm is going to charge TLC to the hilt. It wouldn't surprise me if TLC ends up paying the law firm two to four or more times what they get back from Jon should they win. People do some very stupid things in the grip of anger or that I'll show you feeling. You'd think the accountants would have tried to make them see sense by now. TLC may also think that this will be a good example to wave in front of their other performers, but I still think it's going to cost them money before it's done.

my9cats said...

Sidney said...
The article also mentions that Kate's eyes look much different in the BW interview. I haven't seen the interview but the pic they show with the article definitely shows that Kate's eyes do look different - they seem to have a slightly Asian look about them now. If she had surgery for that, it's disturbing!

12/12/2009 5:52 PM


I wrote this a few months ago, and I still think it holds true if Kate had her eyes fixed.
Jon's mom asked Kate when she was pregnant (think it was with the twins) if she would be able to handle it that Korean genes are dominant, none of the kids would resemble her. At the time she said no problem. In hindsite, I believe that a big part of her disconnect from the kids is precisely that. Plus the fact the kids resemble Jon.
A narcissist like Kate needs to have her reflection all around. Not that of her husband.

Karenb said...

Yeah, Jon probably shouldn't have done the Vegas thing, but how about a stern talking to by TLC and Jon promising not to do it again? In the long run, wouldn't it have been cheaper for tlc to play nice with Jon?
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Because Jon had the Hellers in his corner by that time and TLC couldn't talk to him without those blowhards stepping in the way and making dramatic scenes. When all the dust settles Jon's decision to trust in this crooked lawyer and his crooked son will be seen as the biggest blunder he has made from both a personal and business standpoint.

marie said...

I hope all the other families of TLC are paying attention! TLV will do the same to them one day. I would rethink signing a contract with TLC again if I were them.

BH said...

My BIL, the plastic surgeon, said that she looks as if she had, and this is looking at before and after pictures, her eyes fixed to be closer in appearance as each other. In other words, they wanted her wonky eye to more closely match her other eye.

I think she had herself more asian-eyed looking for sure. It doesn't suit her. She looks sneakier to me and more shifty....well, maybe the look DOES suit her.

Amy2 said...

I agree with the posts here about its odd that TLC goes after Jon but not Kate for her conduct. I've said it before and I'll say it again...its all about money. Remember on LKL Jon (or Heller?) stated that TLC made $375M in one quarter from J/K+8. Then the photos of Jon playing surfaced and the sponsored got nervous. TLC has/had to be agressive to Jon to teach him and their other performers in other shows that TLC will go after you with all means at their disposable if anything you do in your personal life affects TLC's income. TLC got lucky in that Jon played into their hands by not being too bright and hiring an inferior lawyer. Its all about money. People don't matter. And the kids, they're just a commodity. TLC could care less what happens to the kids only what happens to income they generate.

BH said...

Here's a question for you. Has any interviewer, print or otherwise, ever asked Kate about the child pornography that she and Jon delivered to the pervs through her children being filmed and taped for all posterity? Hasn't anybody ever had the balls to ask her "Do you know, Mrs. Gosselin, that your children and the pictures you have provided via TV, web and books you've allegedly authored, have been and will continue to be used, picked apart, child by child, all over the world by providers and consumers of child porn?". If you did know that, how could you do it? And if you didn't know that, perhaps you should be better educated.

Pamela Jaye said...

Jon is no longer allowed to speak to the paparazzi.

really? he can't *speak* to them? can he whisper in their ears? pass them a note? have them say they got the info from an undisclosed source?
what I mean is, can he "leak" to them? (or anyone?)
sometimes it's better that he not speak for himself either.

where did I hear that Hailey was paid to be on ET and Jon's manager has her portion and won't give it to her?

Pamela Jaye said...

While I choose to believe Hailey is a better writer than Jon, I'd really suggest a professional ghostwriter. Or better: Beth or Jodi.

Beth walked away, apparently. I can only believe she thought it more Christain to "cover" the sins. But I disagree with that approach - she was there, she saw children being injured, she said nothing; I'd hate to have to answer for that. Jodi at least tried.
I don't know what Beth had to sign re: confidentiality, though. Or how long it's in force.

Midnight Serenade said...

"That child came to school with obvious signs of abuse and neglect. No one was able to do anything, and her monster adoptive father killed her."

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Trust me. If any child comes to school showing signs of neglect or abuse, something will be done. I don't know how things are done in New York City, or in what sea of paperwork and mismanagement might happen there, but it won't happen in this community. I was a first-hand witness to that two weeks ago. While I won't get into details, I was impressed with the care, urgency, and professionalism in which that case was handled.

Can't See Sheep said...

Pamela Jaye said...
and finally, does GWOP (or any of its posters) have any plans to push for a national Children in reality TV law as Paul Peterson suggested? You definitely have the audience, and this is the only solution TLC can't loophole their way around.
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Whoa, wait, where is this, is it on Paul Peterson's site? I'd like to have a look at it, it sounds very good to me, I'd like to read what's on it first, but if it's as good as it sounds then I'm for it, these children need to be protected & any children in any future shows need to be protected too. Is there a link? I want for the parents to look out for their children but as we've seen repeatedly that isn't always going to happen, sadly.

Also, does anyone know the length of Jon's contract? (aka when will he be free to appear before the media which will no longer care about him by then(maybe he should start hanging out with Tiger Woods
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LOL! I just had a quick visual in my mind of the police shining their lights on Tiger Woods house at night & Jon standing behind the bushes in the front of the house grinning big as day & waving at them. Made me think of where's Waldo, except it's a where's Jon Gosselin going to turn up next. In pics, part of the background scenery, behind the tabloid flavour of the moment, in pools, in bushes, running from small dogs in the background. Yeah I know I'm easy to humour.

Ava's Mommy said...
In this era everyone and their mother thinks they are a 15 min star entertainer.
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It'd be nice if some of them would stop & think about how they're looking to the world during that 15 minutes of fame, I mean do you really want to be remembered as the "tramp who did what?" for the rest of your life? It's like they don't care how they look, just that they're on camera. Something is seriously wrong.

protect8 said...

I have a really bad feeling that this is all being set up in a way that will cause Jon to relent. He will miss the lifestyle TLC afforded him and eventually he will have to figure out how to pay the rent on his NYC place. The kids will go back to being filmed.

The freakish nature of multiples has always been a commodity to Jon and Kate and TLC - both parents are equally horrible regarding the selling of their children.

I wager that we'll see the children in new shows on television before next summer unless Jon meant what he said when he halted filming.

Midnight Serenade said...

"It'd be nice if some of them would stop & think about how they're looking to the world during that 15 minutes of fame, I mean do you really want to be remembered as the "tramp who did what?" for the rest of your life? It's like they don't care how they look, just that they're on camera. Something is seriously wrong."

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I understand that this is a classic trait of narcissists. They don't care HOW they are presented to the world, but THAT they are presented.

Anonymous said...

I love this blog and have never commented before today. Please forgive me if I repeat something that may have been said early.Of the 2 parents I like Jon better because when he is with his children they just light up when they are with him . When they are with Kate they cringe and look frighted

So I thought of a way Jon could maybe win against TLC. Remember the movie EdTV? At the end Ed wanted out of his contract and they said they owned him. So he offered $$$$ to anyone who could give him dirt that any of the big wigs did not want to be public and set a deadline as to when he would announce it. Remember what the informant told Ed. He was telling what it was and was getting ready to announce the name of the person and they pulled the plug on EdTV. Jon needs to get a private investigator that will dig up the dirt on the powers that be at TLC and expose them.

Jon also needs to get financial private investigator that goes through all the bank accounts to find out what money Kate is getting paid from TLC that he may not know about since they are still married any monies she has is still part of the divorce. He does need to write a tell all. He just needs to save anything he finds out till the court case. That way it public record and it probably would not mess up the confidential clause. Use the same tactics they are using. He also needs to make sure that Kate was not having any affairs since she called the marriage off and would not go to cancelling.

Sorry this is so long but watching the movie made me think of Jon

Bennie said...

can't stand her: I don't believe the Vegas pool party was the sole reason for the lawsuit. It was just an example of something he did that they used. He did various media appearances and that's what the problem seemed to be.

jasmine: I don't think Jon is allowed to do endorsements or commercials. It seems he's not allowed to do anything media related, especially if he is to be paid for them, without TLC's approval - which I doubt would happen.

It's kind of a low blow on TLC's part, to sue, but at the same time, looking at it as a business situation, he ruined the image by being seen with that school teacher at a bar, then galavanted around with Hailey and Kate Major, lounged with bikini clad women in Vegas, acted like a total tool and then put a stop to their money making show. You're going to want to do what you can to recover that lost money or twist arms hard enough to get the show back. I imagine his lack of cooperation in everything post-separation, and prior when he was growing tired of the show for HIMSELF (before his so called epiphany to rescue the children) had something to do with the fact that they're being a bit vengeful.

But all in all, Jon breached his contract out of his own arrogance and stupidity and/or by the bad advice of his lawyers. Either way, he deserves it IMO. He had his chances to fix things (even by just stopping the media appearances) and he didn't.

And to those asking why they went straight for the lawsuit without warning? They didn't. Jon himself has mentioned that they bribed him with the OC Chopper bike if he behaved. He didn't. I fully believe he knew all of this could happen and didn't care/his lawyers didn't care either or they both didn't think TLC would go through with it. Well, they did!

Mom to 7 said...

This just makes me sick. TLC plays this card right and no matter how Jon turns, these kids lose.

They've taken away his ability to earn an income in the media. Unless he manages to find someone to hire him for a "real" job - they've taken away his income. With all the negative publicity attached to his name, I doubt there is a line of companies waiting to hire him.

Now how does a man in the middle of a divorce have a chance at custody, shared or otherwise, if he has no income? That just pushes the courts to give Kate custody - and then puts those poor kids back on TV.

On the other hand, Jon can relent and allow TLC to begin filming again as part of a settlement - and again, the poor kids are back on TV.

Either way - those kids come out the losers in the end... stuck in the greed of TLC. Hopefully the child labor laws will put an end to things before TLC goes back to destroying their lives.

momof4 said...

I read this blog all the time but have never commented. This is really obvious now that I think of it, but it just occured to me everytime she says the kids were upset - she talking about herself not the kids. I was just reading this article..
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/kate-gosselin-barbara-walters-kids-devastated-jon-kate-plus-reality/story?id=9250827
Kate Gosselin: Kids Devastated Without Show
and thought out loud, yeah right Kate's the one that was devasted. Everytime she says this kids are upset about this or that - it's her not them. Oldest trick in the book. I just wish she would stop upsetting the kids with her bad moods and angriness. It rubs off from parent to kids. When moms not happy nobody is. That's normal for all children - too bad these kids have a mom who's never happy and never nice.

Can't See Sheep said...

momof4 said...
It rubs off from parent to kids. When moms not happy nobody is.
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I'm surprised anyone in PA is happy when kate is unhappy. She is one miserable, unpleasant creature.

Every time she says this kids are upset about this or that - it's her not them.
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Midnight Serenade said...
I understand that this is a classic trait of narcissists. They don't care HOW they are presented to the world, but THAT they are presented.
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You're so right. Of course the ones without talent will flock to reality TV & the others, well, they're drawn to celebrities who'll let them near, like Tiger woods. I feel so sorry for Elin & their children, this isn't likely to end very pleasantly at all.

BH said...

Here's a question for you. Has any interviewer, print or otherwise, ever asked Kate about the child pornography that she and Jon delivered to the pervs through her children being filmed and taped for all posterity?
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Now that is a question I would love to see them asked. However I could hear the words coming out of kate's mouth, "That's disgusting, how can you say that, that's cruel." It doesn't help when the camera men take inappropriate shots of the children. I really don't see how neither of them seem to worry about the safety of the children, there is no being too famous to be kidnapped & that's just frightening.

kate doing the Asian thing with her eyes sounds very likely. She's said a couple of times that she wished she was Korean & going on about china dolls. Usually people don't do things as drastic as surgery, but this is kate & as she's been happy to prove so many times, she's not regular people.

Charles said...

It doesn't seem right to compare Jon with the great, great sorrow Tiger Wood has put his family through. J&K are both miserable people, for sure, but Tiger's mess is absolutely monumental. Right?

Merrilee said...

I understand that this is a classic trait of narcissists. They don't care HOW they are presented to the world, but THAT they are presented.

12/13/2009 5:56 PM

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Yep, no publicity is poor publicity.

Natalie and Abigail said...

Good grief. Why doesn't TLC just leave the man alone. They are his children. His has the right to not have them filmed. Surely TLC can find some other family to destroy.

I just don't understand why they are fighting this so hard with him. Just let him go already.

dustilies said...

Someone said (not able to trace--so sorry)

"It'd be nice if some of them would stop & think about how they're looking to the world during that 15 minutes of fame, I mean do you really want to be remembered as the "tramp who did what?" for the rest of your life? It's like they don't care how they look, just that they're on camera. Something is seriously wrong."

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Midnight Serenade said...
I understand that this is a classic trait of narcissists. They don't care HOW they are presented to the world, but THAT they are presented.

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I am a university prof, and was once delegated by my colleagues to tell a marginal student that she was very close to being flunked out of the program. I took her to lunch, expecting a scene filled with tears, or recrimination, or possibly thrown food. Instead she was bubbly and effusive all through our discussion of her shortcomings and faculty evaluations of her work. I finally realized that she was such a narcissist that she enjoys every conversation that focuses on HER, no matter how negative the basis and implication of that conversation (she was booted at the end of that academic year).

Kate is the same way, and therefore easily manipulated by production types.

GertyPbody said...

I agree that Kate has had something done to her face or eyes, but when would she have had surgery? Something like that doesn't heal up in a day or two. Isn't she out and about nearly every day with the P people taking pictures of her? Seems more likely she's had botox or some other mini procedure they can do right in the doctor's office.

Pamela Jaye said...

It doesn't seem right to compare Jon with the great, great sorrow Tiger Wood has put his family through. J&K are both miserable people, for sure, but Tiger's mess is absolutely monumental. Right?
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I wasn't "comparing" - just saying, Tiger (who I am ignoring as much as possible cause I generally hate tabloid gossip but Kate dragged me into this freak show) is getting lots of attention, pushing J&K our of the tabloid TV reports (as MJ's death did). So, if either of them wants back in the slimelight (TM) then perhaps they should hang around him.
(even in the bushes, LOL! now I have a mental picture too)

Reading news said...

Can't See Sheep said...

......kate doing the Asian thing with her eyes sounds very likely. She's said a couple of times that she wished she was Korean & going on about china dolls. Usually people don't do things as drastic as surgery, but this is kate & as she's been happy to prove so many times, she's not regular people.
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Here is something I cannot understand when talking about the above. How come no one comes forward from Dr's offices or medical facilities where she is having these procedures done? Does this mean that every person coming in contact with Kate has to sign a confidentiality statement. If Jon were to have a surgical procedure we would surely know every detail. It just seems unnatural in this time of media frenzy with every well known person that Kate seems to escape this type of scrutiny. Anyone have any opinions about this as it has baffled me for sometime.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Now how does a man in the middle of a divorce have a chance at custody, shared or otherwise, if he has no income? That just pushes the courts to give Kate custody - and then puts those poor kids back on TV.

Custody of the children has already been agreed upon.

Maude said...

Midnight Serenade said:
Trust me. If any child comes to school showing signs of neglect or abuse, something will be done.

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I was citing one case (Lisa Steinberg, I got the name wrong). Teachers did in fact notice bruises, but the little girl said she got them from playing with her little brother and the teachers couldn't do anything else. Neighbors began calling the police 4 years before she died. This little girl horrifically fell between the cracks. I really don't want to get into a debate about laws protecting children from abuse but this kind of thing happens all the time.

How are teachers supposed to step in on behalf of the Gosselin children when there are no obvious signs of abuse?
This is the point I was trying to make. Maybe I used the wrong example.

PA Woman said...

Bennie said...

It's kind of a low blow on TLC's part, to sue, but at the same time, looking at it as a business situation, he ruined the image by being seen with that school teacher at a bar, then galavanted around with Hailey and Kate Major, lounged with bikini clad women in Vegas, acted like a total tool and then put a stop to their money making show. You're going to want to do what you can to recover that lost money or twist arms hard enough to get the show back. I imagine his lack of cooperation in everything post-separation, and prior when he was growing tired of the show for HIMSELF (before his so called epiphany to rescue the children) had something to do with the fact that they're being a bit vengeful.

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Yes, but what did TLC lose?? The ratings shot up and up as all this was going on. Jon's actions turned into a money maker for TLC, not the opposite. So what exactly was TLC's damages? If anything, Jon increased the popularity of the show.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but people love a train wreck and that is what happened.

common sense said...

"Here is something I cannot understand when talking about the above. How come no one comes forward from Dr's offices or medical facilities where she is having these procedures done? Does this mean that every person coming in contact with Kate has to sign a confidentiality statement. If Jon were to have a surgical procedure we would surely know every detail. It just seems unnatural in this time of media frenzy with every well known person that Kate seems to escape this type of scrutiny. Anyone have any opinions about this as it has baffled me for sometime."

Anyone working in a medical facility... doctors, nurses as well as staff are not permitted to give information about any patient. There are HIPPA regulations, with large fines for anyone breaching a patients' confidentiality.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Jon's actions turned into a money maker for TLC, not the opposite. So what exactly was TLC's damages? If anything, Jon increased the popularity of the show.

This fact should be driven home incessantly during the trial in April. Jon drove up the ratings, not Kate.

Kat said...

Custody (which, as someone else pointed out, has already been agreed on) is separate from child support. If custody was directly dependent on income, custody would always be awarded to the income earner in the case of a stay-at-home spouse. Both parents are generally expected to contribute to child support, depending on their abilities and circumstances.

There is also a different between physical custody and legal custody. Physical custody is simply the division of time between the parents. Legal custody is the control of decisions involving the child, and also covers such things as access to information about that child. For example, a parent who does not have primary physical custody, but who shares legal custody, still has the right to see school and medical information regarding that child.

AnneMarie said...

Reading news said...
Can't See Sheep said...

......kate doing the Asian thing with her eyes sounds very likely. She's said a couple of times that she wished she was Korean & going on about china dolls. Usually people don't do things as drastic as surgery, but this is kate & as she's been happy to prove so many times, she's not regular people.
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Here is something I cannot understand when talking about the above. How come no one comes forward from Dr's offices or medical facilities where she is having these procedures done? Does this mean that every person coming in contact with Kate has to sign a confidentiality statement. If Jon were to have a surgical procedure we would surely know every detail. It just seems unnatural in this time of media frenzy with every well known person that Kate seems to escape this type of scrutiny. Anyone have any opinions about this as it has baffled me for sometime.

12/14/2009 5:44 AM
=========beacuse not only is it illegal, HIPA laws, but it would be the death sentence for any practice, ESPECIALLY a plastic surgery clinic! Who would want to go there and get something done, if they KNEW people there would YAP about it?!?!

Anna said...

common sense said...
"Here is something I cannot understand when talking about the above. How come no one comes forward from Dr's offices or medical facilities where she is having these procedures done? Does this mean that every person coming in contact with Kate has to sign a confidentiality statement. If Jon were to have a surgical procedure we would surely know every detail. It just seems unnatural in this time of media frenzy with every well known person that Kate seems to escape this type of scrutiny. Anyone have any opinions about this as it has baffled me for sometime."

Anyone working in a medical facility... doctors, nurses as well as staff are not permitted to give information about any patient. There are HIPPA regulations, with large fines for anyone breaching a patients' confidentiality.
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Not to mention that people are fired for spilling healthcare information. There were several hospital employees when the Octomom's babies were still in the hospital because information on the them was accessed and divulged by some hospital employees.

There doesn't need to a special Kate Gosselin confidentiality agreement when you are talking about medical procedures - HIPAA laws apply to everyone.

PA Woman said...

Dunwoody Mom said...
Jon's actions turned into a money maker for TLC, not the opposite. So what exactly was TLC's damages? If anything, Jon increased the popularity of the show.

This fact should be driven home incessantly during the trial in April. Jon drove up the ratings, not Kate.

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I agree. And sorry for the grammer on that it should have read "So what exactly WERE TLC's damages?

Also, I think you could probably illustrate that the shows that just focused on Kate had lower ratings while the shows that focused on the discourse between Jon and Kate had higher ratings.

So, while TLC may be able to force Jon pay back fees for un-approved appearances/interviews how can they get any sort of damages? A few years ago they could claim to be a family-oriented network, but that went out the window with shows like American Copper, Miami Ink, LA Ink and a bunch I'm not even sure of the titles for like the 500 Pound Man, the Monkey Boy; you can go on and on.

So, TLC can't claim a family image any more, and the ratings went up with Jons "unapproved actions". So how did Jon harm TLC (besides pulling the kids for whatever reason)?

Ohio Buckeye said...

@ Common Sense: Look up HIPAA regulations. It's a relatively new law designed to protect medical information confidentiality.

jibberjabbers said...

Bennie said...

Yes, but what did TLC lose?? The ratings shot up and up as all this was going on. Jon's actions turned into a money maker for TLC, not the opposite. So what exactly was TLC's damages? If anything, Jon increased the popularity of the show.

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TLC lost the kids. That's the ONLY reason they are suing.. Period.

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TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him.
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HW said...

I know there is no answer here; but I don't understand why Kate is not being called to account for her relationship with Steve. I have found that relationship suspicious from the get go. So, apparently did Jon. If Jon is accused of not giving off the right image, then Kate is guilty of the same thing. She should have ended that "arrangement" as soon as the rumors started flying. Her realtionship with that body guard is not a normal professional relationship.
And the fact that he and his wife show up at the mansion for dinner? That's even more suspicious.
He must not plan to work after this job with her because surely nobody would take him seriously; especially after calling one of his millionair clients a nerd.

Shame on Kate for standing by while a company like TLC tries to destroy the father of her children. Again, she is doing what she can to prove that she hates him more than she loves her kids. If she cared for her kids at all she'd tell TLC to back off from the lawsuit.

pogo said...

What, I think needs to be done is a family relative needs to step in, on behalf of the children and get them lawyers. To protect their money(which they probably did not get)their rights as children not to be used as merchandise, and the pics, books etc that Kate has made money off of (which should go to the children). Where is Kates brother? Those children need lawyers for their protection from Kate and TLC. Something is not right here.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"This fact should be driven home incessantly during the trial in April. Jon drove up the ratings, not Kate."

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Perhaps his attorneys would do themselves and him a favor and read the posts on here! We could give them some guidance!

Pa Mom Knows said...

"How are teachers supposed to step in on behalf of the Gosselin children when there are no obvious signs of abuse?"

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Why would they step in on their behalf if there are no signs of abuse or neglect? I'm confused...I guess I'm missing your point! The kids are in a safe and secure school environment with adults who love them. If they would need to step in, you better believe they would!

Avary said...

Re: someone coming forward about medical procedures - I do remember once where this happened. Someone posted that Kate was in their clinic and had a procedure done - some minor face thing as I recall. But I don't think there was much of a response. I think this was fairly early on before a lot of people starting suspecting plastic surgery.

Tami said...

TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him
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That is completely ridiculous! This suit should be thrown out of court for being frivolous mostly for this reason alone! The choice to be on TV is a parental decision, not something the court can dictate. Even if they say he did it for the "wrong" or selfish reasons, it is still his choice and was in their contract to drop it if he wished! They are so stupid. The judge must have too much time on his hands to even listen to this crap. They can't force a parent to have the kids filmed. Period!

Ella's Mum said...

What irritates me the most, is how people keep refering to when Jon left Kate!!! WTF. People who didnt really watch the show (or ever come here) have no idea, they are only aware of them via the Media outlets and they are so biased towards Kate (I admit Jon has made an arse of himself) but they cut him no slack at all. Its like he just decided to start shagging around while at Kate was at home crying, (or sobbing, whatever she calls it) looking after 8 kids with help or no money.

I'm no Jon fan but it's just not fair how the media and TLC have portrayed him.

I can't wait for Karma to come get that B***c!!!

Watcher said...

Shame on Kate for standing by while a company like TLC tries to destroy the father of her children.

She doesn't care about her kids. All she cares about is getting back on TV. And if she can destroy Jon in the process, she's happy to do so. More money to spend on Steve and Boobs.

what gives? said...

So why doesn't TLC care that Kate and Steve continue to be linked as a possible item? That's not wholesome. In fact, it's awful, if true, given that he's married. Personally, I can't imagine Steve would find Kate attractive, unless he's into manly pinheads, but their interactions have the appearance of being inappropriate. The purse holding and dinners for two are extremely unprofessional on his part; no client should expect their bodyguard to stand in as her companion, no matter how friendless she may be. If Kate really needs the protection *rolls eyes*, then why doesn't TLC hire a bodyguard who behaves professionally with their client if image is so important to them? Not only is TLC ignoring this inappropriate bodyguard-client relationship, they're encouraging it by paying for it. Why? For the publicity/ratings? Hmm.... Jon's lawyers, are you paying attention?

Vanessa said...

She definitely has had some "tweaking" done. Either botox or fillers. Plus if she goes to the spa as much as we KNOW she does, they have all sorts of "medical" like procedures, exfoliating, rejuvinating, plumping etc. PLUS she's wearing more makeup these days than Krusty the clown. She's just shallow and self centred and is starting to look like all the other botoxed
gremlin looking chicks on tv. Nothing real about her or them.

fake fake fake said...

This is what i think Kate has had done re: plastic surgeries:

Tummy tuck
Boob job
Liposuction (no proof, but she lost weight and cellulite awfully quickly before the bikini shots, and then gained it back over several months.)
Botox (hence the jowly look; her face has lost it's tone, looks like it's falling off)
Blephatoplasty/eye lift (have seen several pix where she looks bruised around the eyes, separated by several months, btw)
Possible brow lift (how else did those eyebrows migrate to the middle of her forehead?)
Lip filler (nicely done, actually)
Veneered, horse sized teeth

Even if I haven't guessed 100% correctly, I'd bet I'm close. Wonder who's footing the bill for Kate's mutilation? TLC or Kate/Jon? If Kate's footing her own bill, did Jon okay use of joint funds to go towards something so frivolous and not at all about the kids? Even if he didn't, he must be laughing at the Weekend at Bernie's result.

anotherthing... said...

GertyPbody said...
I agree that Kate has had something done to her face or eyes, but when would she have had surgery? Something like that doesn't heal up in a day or two. Isn't she out and about nearly every day with the P people taking pictures of her? Seems more likely she's had botox or some other mini procedure they can do right in the doctor's office.
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There are a variety of things that can be done to alter the look of the eyes. Not all of them require you to be 'down' for days; a lot of procedure have come a long way as far as down time.

And Id imagine Kate uses some pretty heavy 'camera pan cake' makeup that would cover and bruising as it is. I mean, weve all seen her no make up pics vs make up pics... she uses (needs) the heavy duty junk.

I am certain she could fit it in. After all, she is a star. (*gag* oh I couldnt even type that with out laughing that grossed out laugh)

silimom said...

TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him
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No, TLC is in court this Thursday to defend themselves against his 5 million dollar countersuit. That will be the interesting case to watch. Unfortunately, I believe the judge will sit back and say "Sorry, Mr. Gosselin, but you and your wife chose to put your family on television. You sent out "audition" tapes to various production companies. You knew what you were doing. While TLC may have facilitated, your life is in a shambles because of the choices you and your wife made. That's the bottom line."

What Jon should have done:

Filed for a legal separation whenever it became apparent that Kate would not go through therapy with him.

Pulled his children off the show at the same time he filed for separation.

Asked for a forensic accounting of all financial transactions conducted during the course of the marriage.

Allowed Jodi and Kevin to speak for him, as they did, regarding the breakdown of the marriage and his reasons for ceasing production of the show.

Refrained from dating until his house was in order.

That would have been the actions of an honorable man. No one is perfect, however Jon is in the mess he's because of the choices he made. Ultimately, you're responsible for your actions.

For the Moment? said...

fake fake fake said...
This is what i think Kate has had done re: plastic surgeries:

I read also that she has had a chin implant to make her face look less rounded and more defined which would explained the changes in her chin that have been noted.

not a bodyguard said...

Even though Steve is called a "bodyguard" for public consumption, I think the reason TLC pays for his services is to act as a babysitter. It seems apparent that Kate's behaviour has to be reined in, and TLC figured out a long time ago that pandering to her ego is the way to control her. Hence, the purse holding, dinner for two, and pampering in whatever ways work. TLC must pay Steve a lot of money for him to go along with it.

AnneMarie said...

anotherthing... said...
GertyPbody said...
I agree that Kate has had something done to her face or eyes, but when would she have had surgery? Something like that doesn't heal up in a day or two. Isn't she out and about nearly every day with the P people taking pictures of her? Seems more likely she's had botox or some other mini procedure they can do right in the doctor's office.
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You've forgotten the Spring and Summer of the giant mutant attack hats and Jackie O sunglasses ???

PA Woman said...

What Jon should have done:

Filed for a legal separation whenever it became apparent that Kate would not go through therapy with him.

Pulled his children off the show at the same time he filed for separation.

Asked for a forensic accounting of all financial transactions conducted during the course of the marriage.

Allowed Jodi and Kevin to speak for him, as they did, regarding the breakdown of the marriage and his reasons for ceasing production of the show.

Refrained from dating until his house was in order.
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All, good ideas. But, an FYI, there is no such thing as a legal separation in PA. He would have needed to take the big step and filed for divorce.

I've been thinking about TLC's lawsuit and I am more amazed by it. The Gosselin's were contracted to do a reality show. However, they were in the process of splitting up (Jon sleeping in the garage apartment) and they continued to film as if they were still a family; at least they did until Jon was seen with the teacher and they were outed. Didn't Jon and Kate go from reality to to acting? So the show was no longer a reality show? And TLC was a part of all of this. They had to know what was going on in the Gosselin marriage.

My point is, if it was no longer "reality TV" weren't all parties including TLC in breach of the contract? And doing it to fool the viewers. Was the contract even valid after that point? And, if it was no longer reality TV, shouldn't the kids have been paid as actors??

I may be reaching but it all seems plausible to me.

Jane in California said...

not a bodyguard said...

Even though Steve is called a "bodyguard" for public consumption, I think the reason TLC pays for his services is to act as a babysitter. It seems apparent that Kate's behaviour has to be reined in, and TLC figured out a long time ago that pandering to her ego is the way to control her. Hence, the purse holding, dinner for two, and pampering in whatever ways work. TLC must pay Steve a lot of money for him to go along with it.
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I think you're right, and that man must have a stomach of steel to put up with miserable Kate. I still think he's a putz, because of his boorish behavior at public signings, etc. (such as bullying fans who have dared to take a picture, or otherwise pushing people - mostly women and kids - around)

The only reason I wasn't fully convinced of a romance between him and Kate - is that Kate is not a sexual being. She has a definite pattern of using men to get what she wants, but it's pretty clear she doesn't really like men. I also don't buy any whispers that she's a closet lesbian. The be all and end all for Kate is Kate. Whatever it takes to get her what she wants -- then she'll do it. If that means using her charms to "catch" Jon Gosselin (and let's face it, that was easy pickins'), then she'll put on the baby voice and the long blond locks and do it.

Steve's wife puts up with this because a) it pays a lot of money, and b) she's probably figured out long ago that Kate wasn't after her husband for sex, but only for how much he could add to her fantasy that she's a super stah! that needs protection from her multitude of fans.

bedonenow said...

PA Woman Said... Didn't Jon and Kate go from reality to to acting? So the show was no longer a reality show? And TLC was a part of all of this. They had to know what was going on in the Gosselin marriage.

My point is, if it was no longer "reality TV" weren't all parties including TLC in breach of the contract? And doing it to fool the viewers. Was the contract even valid after that point? And, if it was no longer reality TV, shouldn't the kids have been paid as actors??


Excellent Point! Excellent! I dont think you are reaching on this on at all. Jon's problem is he keeps looking for Kate-types in his lawyers: Trashy, flashy, pushy and boisterous, and phony. Someone who is NOT interested in winning the case but only in getting their name in the paper and getting $$. Poor pathetic Jon cant see that, he never will.

Who the heck in the middle of a divorce goes and buys a glamorous apartment in another state? Should have gone back to the old house, remodel it into something his ex would hate, get a job flipping burgers, and then make your case in court that you have a calm, normal stable life and you want your children kept OUT of the public eye. Demand support from Kate.

Unless of course, you WANT to keep living off the backs of your children? His dad would be so proud - what a man you have become, Jon.

Midnight Serenade said...

"My point is, if it was no longer "reality TV" weren't all parties including TLC in breach of the contract? And doing it to fool the viewers. Was the contract even valid after that point? And, if it was no longer reality TV, shouldn't the kids have been paid as actors??"
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An excellent point. However, I don't think the "reality TV" can be argued because it doesn't enter into the reason for TLC's lawsuit. The bottom line is that TLC claims that he breached the contract by accepting outside engagements, and by conducting himself in a way that was detrimental to the show. According to the contract, TLC was the judge and jury on that one and decided that it didn't approve of his behavior. They called the shots.
It would be up to the viewers (and sponsors) to file a class action suit against all entitities involved for deception...presenting it as a reality television show when it wasn't. Of course they would argue that what we saw is what we got, and in that situation, it was reality.

Midnight Serenade said...

"I read also that she has had a chin implant to make her face look less rounded and more defined which would explained the changes in her chin that have been noted."

She had lost a considerable amount of weight, and for many who have their weight below their waist (like she does), the first place it comes off is the face. The reason is anyone's guess. It could be genetic. A person can diet like crazy in an effort to shape up the thighs and butt, and not get anywhere, but when they look in the mirror they actually have cheek bones. It happened to my niece. When one loses a considerable amount of weight, the face may take on an entirely different appearance, with weight loss in some areas and fill-ins in other areas.
Just an alternative explanation, but I have known this to be true!

Lydia said...

Hence, the purse holding, dinner for two, and pampering in whatever ways work. TLC must pay Steve a lot of money for him to go along with it.

That might explain how the teacher's brother came up with a receipt for a purse, with Steve Neild's signature on it.

TLC already knows that Kate will deliver the innocents up for free as long as TLC pays her.

Supposedly TLC made $186 million off the Gosselin kids. Sure, they are happy to pay Kate $22,000 a show in order to have unfettered access to the Gosselin children.

For the Moment? said...

Hopefully all the points that can't be used in the TLC lawsuit can be used in Jon's countersuit. That should be a more widen open forum. If I count enter a class action I would because I felt very violated after all the time I vested in watching the show thinking I was watching a true family albeit with their ups and downs.

For the Moment? said...

Steve himself said that he was there to protect the paps (public) from Kate. But I am sorry I do think they are having an affair, or that she is having an affair with someone. She went from virtually asexual to overly sexy in her dress and mannerisms in 0 to 60 seconds and there had to be something to provoke such a dramatic change. It might be that it is with someone at you know where, but statistics would suggest it is more likely someone that you spend a lot of time with especially alone. I also do think that Kate hates men and would be a prime candidate for another type of affair and/or tryst as well. Who knows...she is a gold digger that would consider her bought and paid for newfound sexuality just another tool to get what she wants. Also the amount of discretion she has been able to maintain would suggest to me that it is Steve (he could pull that off). There is just something about the look in her eye when someone suggests dating to her, almost like if you only knew. I think she would find it exciting to lead a secret double life. But then again I am biased as I clearly despise the woman.

N.E. Psychologist said...

TLC: The Licentious Channel.

readerlady said...

"Who the heck in the middle of a divorce goes and buys a glamorous apartment in another state."

Jon's done a lot of stupid and silly things, but the above is not one of them. He didn't "buy a glamorous apartment". The NYC apartment was leased and, although I don't have time to go through all the posts here and online, I'm pretty sure it was well-documented that TLC paid for it.

Re Khate having her eyes done to appear more Asian. She may have, but it's also possible to change the contours and appearance of the eye with makeup. I played an Asian in a community theatre production of "Teahouse of the August Moon" and it was possible to make my decidedly non-Asian eyes appear to be Asian with the right make-up. So maybe she had surgery and maybe she didn't. ITA that her eyes do appear different in more recent pictures.

Midnight Serenade said...

"I played an Asian in a community theatre production of "Teahouse of the August Moon" and it was possible to make my decidedly non-Asian eyes appear to be Asian with the right make-up.'

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“I used to worry a lot about not being a big success. I've made peace with myself somewhere between my ambitions and my limitations. It’s a step backwards in the right direction.” -- Capt. Fisby

Fabulous play. Much of the wisdom could be applied to the current J&K and TLC situation.

tlc sucks the big one said...

Re: NYC apartment. Yes TLC is footing the bill. Hate to sound so paranoid, but interesting that they're paying for it since it has done nothing positive for Jon's image. He appears to be uninterested in his kids by renting so far away and to be spending their money on the apartment. The exorbitant rent quickly became public knowledge but not the fact that he wasnt paying for it. Was he set up yet again?

CityGirl said...

There was a clip of kate talking about her cookbook and how she wants to get all her family recipes in order for her kids. Funny thing is that at the top of the paper it said Nana Janet. It was a recipe she had given kate for pot roast I think. I think kate collected recipes from all her help early on and was going to present them as her own in a cookbook. We all heard her say she cannot bake, then all the sudden when the solar panels were being installed, she went on and on about loving to bake! She is one of the few people who actually believes their own lies, and cracks herself up with her dry sense of humor that she only gets. Dumb a** witch.

jibberjabbers said...

CityGirl said...

There was a clip of kate talking about her cookbook and how she wants to get all her family recipes in order for her kids. Funny thing is that at the top of the paper it said Nana Janet. It was a recipe she had given kate for pot roast I think.

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Didn't Kate say in the "Korean Dinner" episode that "real cooks don't need recipes"..

What is "Kate" doing with a cook book? She yelled and bickered over Jon following the "recipe" and now she's releasing a "cook book" filled with plagiarized recipes.

Just like her other book, Little Faces, that were filled with plagiarized bible versus.

And the other book, that was well written, was obviously not written by Kate.

salmonella chicken by kate said...

i'm still waiting for that bellywarming recipe. yummy

I won't eat it said...

This subject has been discussed before at length, but bears repeating: what has Kate ever cooked that looked good? And besides Sammonella Chicken (yummmmm.. eye roll), I'll bet her liquified Chicken Cacciatore makes it into the cookbook since she made such a big deal out if it in that stupid Farm to Table episode.

Jacqui said...

Anonymous chicken potsticker said...

Here is what I don't understand... and what is the total INJUSTICE of the whole situation... why is there an injuntion against Jon, and notKATE?! KATE is free to do whatever she pleases, flit from talk show to talk show, possibly have her OWN talk show, woe is me... yet Jon is not free to make a living for himself and his breadth? Totally nonsensical! To anyone who is not completely subjective in the matter it is obvious that this is all 100% unfair. This man cannot win! We have all made mistakes from time to time but what is being doled out here is not fair at all. It's an eye for an eye, if KATE is free to do whatever, then so be it for Jon... they were all in this together. My husband is in law school and this makes no sense to him, he says that if he were Jon's lawyer he could sort this out in no time.
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Kate is free to do it because Kate got PERMISSION to do it. This is something you all are overlooking here.


Now if jon had gone to TLC and asked then he wouldn't be where he is right now. Jon breached his contract, Kate didn't. Obviously his Heller's are just after Jon for money and publicity. You watch Jon will lose everything and you will not see them stand by his side.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"What is "Kate" doing with a cook book? She yelled and bickered over Jon following the "recipe" and now she's releasing a "cook book" filled with plagiarized recipes.

Just like her other book, Little Faces, that were filled with plagiarized bible versus."

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I understand how one can plagiarize a recipe, but how does one plagiarize a Bible verse? Did she claim that she was the author of the Bible verse? I didn't see the book...

Kellie said...

To everyone who is so up in arms about poor Jon, let me remind you that it was JON'S choice to breach the contract he signed with TLC AND to put a halt to filming J&K+8 (just to be spiteful, in my opinion). Additionally, nothing in the contract prevents Jon from getting a regular job. He could do so at any time. He chooses not to. So if Jon's goose is cooked, it's because he cooked it himself. Period.

AnneMarie said...

My morning giggle from zimbio.com
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"". As Fashionista's Abby Gardner wrote, "When images of Kate Gosselin pop into your head for even a split second, it's not a good thing."
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SNORT!

dustilies said...

CityGirl said...

There was a clip of kate talking about her cookbook and how she wants to get all her family recipes in order for her kids.

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Creepy echo of their explanation that they started the show to have great home movies of the kids. (I wonder if they get to see anything besides the edited show and DVDS of it.)

I'm working on getting some old family recipes off of my dented box of index cards so I can pass them on to my girls. I type them into the computer. Wow. So far I have seen no reason to go on talk shows to discuss the project, to seek a publisher for it, to hire a PR firm. I don't wear a babydoll dress or hooker heels while I do this extraordinarily extraordinary task. I am not dabbing at my eyes as I tell you all how hard it is and how much happier my kids would be if a I had a new diamond ring. No bodyguard, no paps with long telephoto lenses hiding over the backyard fence, jockeying for position to catch a shot of me at the kitchen table squinting at my laptop and doublechecking the recipes.

I really don't think Kate knows the boundary between public and private.
And that keeping some things private is always about shame--sometimes it is about protecting the precious connections between people in a family. Which are nurtured by the simple stuff of carrying on and absorbing family food traditions.

My MIL always made banana bread for Christmas breakfast. My mom made panettone. Now I make both, so our kids get both traditions knit together. Over time, I've started to connect the smell of banana bread baking to Christmas, just like my husband always has.

I sure hope Kate passes on Nana Janet's recipe--with her name attached. I'd like it even better if she was creating a family cookbook just for her family. And wasn't trying to make a buck off it.

Button Button said...

CityGirl said...
There was a clip of kate talking about her cookbook and how she wants to get all her family recipes in order for her kids. Funny thing is that at the top of the paper it said Nana Janet. It was a recipe she had given kate for pot roast I think. I think kate collected recipes from all her help early on and was going to present them as her own in a cookbook. We all heard her say she cannot bake, then all the sudden when the solar panels were being installed, she went on and on about loving to bake! She is one of the few people who actually believes their own lies, and cracks herself up with her dry sense of humor that she only gets. Dumb a** witch.

12/15/2009 8:09 PM
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I am wondering if maybe Kate's cookbook is a collection of recipes that her friends/family have shared with her, and maybe she has given credit to the people who gave them to her? Of course, there is no way any of us will really know what it says if we don't see it.

AnneMarie said...

OH, handwrite your recipes for your kids if you can at all manage it. If you need to make too many copies, scan them. ( I have this nifty little scanner that scans docs, index cards, reciepts, and picts onto a disk as fast as you can shove them in. ) It still brings a tear to my eye to see my great grandmother's recipes in her own handwriting!

GoPoshGo said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
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"Just like her other book, Little Faces, that were filled with plagiarized bible versus."

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I understand how one can plagiarize a recipe, but how does one plagiarize a Bible verse? Did she claim that she was the author of the Bible verse? I didn't see the book...

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I didn't read the book either, but from what I've heard it's just a bunch of photos of the kids with some Bible verses. Quoting the Bible isn't plagarism, but if that's ALL the book contains, I'd hardly say it qualifies Kate to be called an "author." I think that's the point the original poster was making. Bottom line: Kate isn't a writer; she's a miserable, lying opportunist who will say anything and use anyone to keep her name in the spotlight.

8 minus Jon & Kate said...

I don't feel sorry for Jon. It sounds like his goals aren't different than TLC's, just separate from them. My only concern is that no one is looking after the kids' interest.

jibberjabbers said...

Jacqui said...

Kate is free to do it because Kate got PERMISSION to do it. This is something you all are overlooking here.


Now if jon had gone to TLC and asked then he wouldn't be where he is right now. Jon breached his contract, Kate didn't. Obviously his Heller's are just after Jon for money and publicity. You watch Jon will lose everything and you will not see them stand by his side.

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TLC didn't complain about Jon doing interviews UNTIL he removed the kids. It was MONTHS after Jon did the Larry King interview.

TLC 'THOUGHT' Jon couldn't do anything about it. But once the show stopped, TLC filed suit.

Do you really think TLC would give Jon permission to do these interviews if he asked? NO!

TLC doesn't care if Jon did these interviews. It was FREE publicity for the SHOW...

BUT, since there is NO MORE SHOW, TLC and Kate are PISSED.

PERIOD.

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Source

TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him.

Tami said...

To everyone who is so up in arms about poor Jon, let me remind you that it was JON'S choice to breach the contract he signed with TLC AND to put a halt to filming J&K+8 (just to be spiteful, in my opinion). Additionally, nothing in the contract prevents Jon from getting a regular job. He could do so at any time. He chooses not to. So if Jon's goose is cooked, it's because he cooked it himself. Period.

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And...Kate can also get a regular job instead of whining and sobbing that the show was taken too soon and now she will go broke. Or that the kids can now never see the Statue of Liberty or go on any other trip. SHE can get a job just as well. Of course Jon should be getting a real job instead of pretending he is a celebrity, but that is true of both of these weasels!

Tami said...

Kate is free to do it because Kate got PERMISSION to do it. This is something you all are overlooking here.


Now if jon had gone to TLC and asked then he wouldn't be where he is right now. Jon breached his contract, Kate didn't. Obviously his Heller's are just after Jon for money and publicity. You watch Jon will lose everything and you will not see them stand by his side.
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What difference did it make if he begged or not? Asking their permission would be the same as begging because they were clearly biased against him for outing the marriage as a sham! That is why they are allowing Kate to do whatever, she was willing to keep the lie going! By going out and making it clear the marriage was over he ruined their meal ticket. Even if she did get permission, which I am sure she does not even have to ask, she would be doing the same thing he is just the same. That is like saying Bobby and Suzie both went out and got a DUI but Suzie got permission from her mom to go out so that makes it ok. It really doesn't change things.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Jon could ask to appear on The 700 Club and The Learning Channel would nix that. They have only one purpose, to punish Jon for taking away their gravy train, i.e. the Gosselin Children.

anotherthing... said...

Thanks for the link jibberjabbers!!!:

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/kate_gosselin_gets_own_tv_show_on_tlc

The story is informative... the topic, however is vile:

"Reality TV mom Kate Gosselin has started shooting a new reality TV show in North Carolina for TLC, in what could be a prelude to her leaving Pennsylvania with her 8 children.

North Carolina has a different set of child-labor laws than Pennsylvania, and in the past, the Gosselins were rumored to be moving there if Pennsylvania filed any kind of child-labor action against the familly and TLC."

SO, I ask again... when, WHEN, will someone step in and look out for those kids???!!!!

They are nothing more than props, dollar signs, and/or characters to TLC, mom, and/or dad. Underneath the fake smile, invisible tears and TLC/PR-guided-facade all kate cares about is her account balance, her next trip and her ratings. Nothing more. Most likely, same for Jon.

5 year olds should focus solely on being 5: playing and learning... gorwing socially, academically, and emotionally. Not having jobs. Being on TV. Or having to deal with the emotional consequences of growing up with no privacy.Or feeling the burden of making sure you say/do the right thing for the cameras/mom 'or else'. And then there is the burden of making ends meet for your family. Ugh.

Not to mention what it will do to their lives down the road. Another ugh.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Quoting the Bible isn't plagarism, but if that's ALL the book contains, I'd hardly say it qualifies Kate to be called an "author.""
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Of course she isn't an author. LOL! The original writer said that the book was filled with "plagiarized Bible verses." Plagiarize means to take someone else's work and attach one's own name to it. I really don't think that's the case of the book in question, although I understand that may have been a concern with the recipe book. Whatever happened with that? Was it published?

Did Kate's appearance on the Paula pilot make the final cut? I haven't heard anything about that, either.

anotherthing... said...

So, I have some extra time on my hands today. Sorry for all the posts :)

I found this littel story and i thought youd all love it.

From 11/10/09 in the Reading Eagle:

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=165414

Funniest part:

"While impersonating the mom of eight on a faux episode of "The View," Swift donned a Gosselin wig (which are discounted now at Halloween stores, so rush out to buy one since the wigs won't be made next year when everyone forgets who Gosselin is)."

There were also several letters to the editor asking them to stop writing about the Gosselins and things along those lines.

Karenb said...

jibberjabbers said...
TLC didn't complain about Jon doing interviews UNTIL he removed the kids. It was MONTHS after Jon did the Larry King interview.
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TLC didn't complain publicly up until that point but according to testimony in court they had complained privately to Jon and his agent before that time and tried to get him to stop. Jon himself said the American Chopper bike was like a bribe to get him to shut it.

I think it all started when Jon went to France with Hailey and tried to get that Ed Hardy deal. Then he hooked up with Micheal Lohan and it was all downhill fast from there. It was clear Jon was listening to his brand new leeching friends and their lousy advice to fight TLC. The best advice he could have gotten was to keep collecting his paycheck and ride out the contract.

jibberjabbers said...

Still, TLC is only suing Jon because he took the kids away.
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I mean, this is pretty hard to miss...

TLC is also in court this Thursday in Maryland to get Jon Gosselin to drop his objections over his children being filmed by TLC, as part of its breech of contract suit against him.

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It can't be more clear than that.

"as part of its breech of contract suit"...

Via foxphilly..

jon, pay attention said...

Let's not forget that part of tlc's argument for their Hitlerian filming schedule and failure to obtain the appropriate permits was that JK8 was a documentary. As such, I say Jon can have sex with a dead woman if he wants, and tlc can frickin' document it. They can't have it both ways. If they push this, then hello child labor violations.

ifonly said...

"It was clear Jon was listening to his brand new leeching friends and their lousy advice to fight TLC. The best advice he could have gotten was to keep collecting his paycheck and ride out the contract."

I would have told hime to stay low, dont attract any attention, ride out contract and quietly go back to school...He would have come out looking great"

CityGirl said...

Kate has made it into yet another magazine, not completly sure which, the one with T.Swift, Beyonce, etc. I think the years most something. Kate is doing a spread of Carol Brady. The hair and all. If anyone called her do a mullet before, just wait til yall see this!! Oh, and that recipe has Nana Janet's name right at the top. I had to rewind to look closer and there it was. Kate says she has to put it into actual measurements and "kate-ize" them. exact words.

GoPoshGo said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
The original writer said that the book was filled with "plagiarized Bible verses." Plagiarize means to take someone else's work and attach one's own name to it. I really don't think that's the case of the book in question, although I understand that may have been a concern with the recipe book. Whatever happened with that? Was it published?

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As a former college professor, I'm well aware of the definition of plagiarism -- I had to remind my students way too many times about giving credit where credit is due...or face the consequences of a failing grade.

I think the original poster merely used the wrong term; but, his/her point is spot on: Kate takes her work from other sources, and doesn't really have an original or creative thought of her own. Whether it's taking credit for a ghost writer's [Beth's] work, trying to pass off random Bible verses as a "book," or publishing other people's recipes in her cookbook ... Kate is a fraud.

I've seen posts that Kate will be on Leno's 10@10 this Friday. I don't watch his show, so I googled it to see what this was all about. I was really disappointed, because the 10@10 is simply a segment where Jay asks softball questions tailored to the celebrity of the day. I'd much prefer he have Kate on his "Jay-Walking" segment (if he still does that) -- where he asks random questions about current events, history, etc., and subsequently reveals the smarts/stupidity of his subject. I imagine Kate would fail miserably at any questioning related to anything but herself. I'm disappointed that the questions will no doubt feed her ego even more, since they'll be tailored to her dumb life.

Shame on Leno for sucking the bottom of the barrel in a desperate attempt to garner ratings for a show that is hanging on by a thread. YOU moved your time slot, you over-sized chin/ego, car-collecting idiot. Shame on you for stooping to the Gosselin level just to give this about-to-be-taken-off-life-support-show a boost in ratings.

I'm sorry, but wasn't Jay making fun of the Gosselin's in some recent monologues????? More evidence of Hollywood ethics. It's all about ratings/money.

My hope is that reality TV, combined with obnoxious and ever-invasive paparrazzi, will bring to light the fact that most celebrities' images are a complete facade. It's all smoke and mirrors, and the incentive (and bottom line) is ALWAYS money.

brennie said...

Philadelphia Fox's article is not accurate. TLC's suit is only about Jon's breach of contract; it has nothing to do with filming the kids. TLC can win the case. Jon could give permission to film the kids today if he wanted to.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"As a former college professor, I'm well aware of the definition of plagiarism -- I had to remind my students way too many times about giving credit where credit is due...or face the consequences of a failing grade."
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I wasn't referring to your post, but to the original writer's post who stated that the recipe book contained plagiarized Bible verses. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Shame on Leno for sucking the bottom of the barrel in a desperate attempt to garner ratings for a show that is hanging on by a thread. YOU moved your time slot, you over-sized chin/ego, car-collecting idiot. Shame on you for stooping to the Gosselin level just to give this about-to-be-taken-off-life-support-show a boost in ratings."
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Are we to assume that you are not a Leno fan? LOL!

PA Woman said...

jon, pay attention said...
Let's not forget that part of tlc's argument for their Hitlerian filming schedule and failure to obtain the appropriate permits was that JK8 was a documentary. As such, I say Jon can have sex with a dead woman if he wants, and tlc can frickin' document it. They can't have it both ways. If they push this, then hello child labor violations.

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Exactly what I was trying to say earlier. It it is a reality show/documentary, then Jon can do what he did after Kate told him the marriage was dead. But, TLC/Kate wanted to continue to protray a happy marriage, or at least a marriage. TLC was no longer doing a documentary. Didn't that breach the contract? Also, it would call into play the child labor laws.

On another note, it still astounds me how Jon has been vilified in all of this. He has made plenty of mistakes, but the media is ripping him appart. I was just on a site where there must have been 50 comments of hatred for Jon posted just since last night. I just continue to be amazed at how blind the sheeple really are. I guess we will find out if there are enough of them to keep Kates show alive this Spring. Although they are all convienced Jon will crumble since he is broke and let TLC film the kids and the show will be K+8. I'm not confident he won't give in, but praying that he does believe it is bad for the kids and keeps them away from the cameras.

Closerfan said...

Makes you wonder what kind of deal Jim Bob Dugger signed on for. Of course now he could care less since TLC is footing the bill for his premie to be in NICU and Michelle's emergency c-section, etc.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

IMO it does not matter what Jon's reasons where to pull his kids off the show, it was the right choice. TLC is only brining him to court now because they are extremely petty, money-hungry and needy for attention; much like you-know-who.

Rocket Sand said...

Of course now he could care less since TLC is footing the bill for his premie to be in NICU and Michelle's emergency c-section, etc.

How do you know TLC is paying for all of that? I read in the book that they have medical insurance. Also they have said on the show that they have medical insurance that they purchase.

Bella said...

jon, pay attention said...
Let's not forget that part of tlc's argument for their Hitlerian filming schedule and failure to obtain the appropriate permits was that JK8 was a documentary. As such, I say Jon can have sex with a dead woman if he wants, and tlc can frickin' document it. They can't have it both ways. If they push this, then hello child labor violations.

The problem is that under Pennsylvania law its the parents/guardians who are ultimately responsible for getting work permits. The employer (TLC) mearly has to indicate what hours & type of work the child is doing.

Its a parent or guardian who must appear before the issuing officer.

The law states: Application for the employment certificate must be made by the parent, guardian, or legal custodian of the minor for whom such employment certificate or transferable work permit is requested

This ultimately means, if its proved the show violated child labor laws, its Jon & Kate who will face the consequences, not TLC.

Also, it was clearly written in to the contract that Jon & Kate must get any permits required. & The contract has been deemed valid by the judge.

Jon's lawyer must be out of his mind to try & pursue this angle. Heller is only hurting his own client.

I think Jon has a good case for suing Heller for incompetence, first telling Jon to remove money from the joint account, then pursuing TLC for violation of child labor laws, Both of these actions are clearly damaging to Jon.

readerlady said...

Actually, NBC moved Leno's time slot, not Leno himself. His contract was for a certain number of years, with Conan O'Brien to take over after that period of time (I want to say 5 years, but I'm not sure that is correct). ITA that having Khate is scraping the bottom of the barrel, though. Not sure it will make much difference - there's not much viewership on Friday nights, so can't see it improving Leno's ratings that much, if at all. And NBC has gone on record as saying they're quite happy with Leno's show. Even with its dismal ratings, it's far cheaper than a scripted show or even a reality show.

GoPoshGo said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
Are we to assume that you are not a Leno fan? LOL!

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Whatever gave you that idea?? LOL.

Seriously, though, I've just reached my saturation point with all of the hypocrisy and phoniness in Hollywood and the media in general. All of the fabricated relationships and stories and images and drama and dirty alliances .... and it's all for ratings/money. That, and my MIL is coming to visit tomorrow for 17 days. So, I've been kinda grumpy the past few days. ;)

jibberjabbers said...

Pa Mom Knows said...

I wasn't referring to your post, but to the original writer's post who stated that the recipe book contained plagiarized Bible verses. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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I never said the cook book contained plagiarized bible verse. I said 8 little faces did. Sure I used the wrong term but we all get the point.

Kate shouldn't be called an "author".

Anna said...

PA Woman said...

On another note, it still astounds me how Jon has been vilified in all of this. He has made plenty of mistakes, but the media is ripping him appart. I was just on a site where there must have been 50 comments of hatred for Jon posted just since last night. I just continue to be amazed at how blind the sheeple really are.


People can be totally disguested with Jon's behavior without being a sheeple or even liking Kate. I detest Kate but I thinking Jon has behaved horribly throughout 2009 and brought much of his grief on himself.

The excuse that he was married to Kate only goes so far. The excuse that he is a better parent only goes so far.

It is not an either or situation. People can hate both parents.

jibberjabbers said...

brennie said...

Philadelphia Fox's article is not accurate. TLC's suit is only about Jon's breach of contract; it has nothing to do with filming the kids.

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Right.... TLC suing Jon has nothing to do with Jon removing the kids from the show. haha Good one!

That why Kate isn't being sued. Had Kate stopped the show and Jon continued with TLC, Kate would be sued.

TLC just uses their contract "rules" for their benefits.

Since Kate is on their side, she's isn't in breach..

Since Jon took the kids away, TLC will say, Jon is in breach for doing "unauthorized" media appearances.

Why are they "unauthorized"? Because Jon took the kids away.

TLC is just retaliating against Jon for his objection over filming the kids.

TLC wants Jon to be broke. And it's obviously working. Jon is broke.

Jill said...

Hey, I'm pleased as punch that Jon got nailed for breach of contract. Whether they did it as retaliation for him pulling the kids or not, he DID break his end of things by doing all of those public appearances, especially the ones which conflicted with the image that he was contractually obligated to uphold. And it really does benefit him and his kids because at least for the next 4 months their father won't be hosting cocaine and alcohol induced pool parties at Vegas hotels and seedy ideas like "Divorced Dad's Club" with Papa Lohan. It may be shifty, but it's one way to keep the man's mouth shut... now I wonder what it would take to get Kate in the same situation???

PA Woman said...

kate is a cocky bitch said...
IMO it does not matter what Jon's reasons where to pull his kids off the show, it was the right choice. TLC is only brining him to court now because they are extremely petty, money-hungry and needy for attention; much like you-know-who.

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I used to think that but now I'm convinced it does matter

a) if he thinks it is bad for the kids to grow up in front of the camera he is less likely to give in to TLC and let them be filmed.

b) if he thinks it was bad for the kids during the divorce, he could change his mind again once the divorce is over

c) if he was mad because he was taken off the show, or for any other conceiveble reason, or if he is doing it as a bargaining chip those kids could end up back on TV at any time.

At any rate, when they first stopped filming I didn't think Jon's motives mattered; but now that I try and look into the future his motives do concern me.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"he DID break his end of things by doing all of those public appearances, especially the ones which conflicted with the image that he was contractually obligated to uphold."
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And what image was that? Does the contract specifically state that he should conduct himself like an All-American Dad (whatever that is!)? It all rests in the eye of the beholder, which is TLC. They don't want Jon sitting around with a bevy of bikini beauties at a pool party, but they film Kate running around on a beach in a bikini, while grabbing various other shots of her with "the girls" hanging out -- not exactly your "All American Mom" image.

TLC interpreted the breach as they wanted to interpret (and enforce) the breach.

GoPoshGo said...

Bella said...
The problem is that under Pennsylvania law its the parents/guardians who are ultimately responsible for getting work permits. The employer (TLC) mearly has to indicate what hours & type of work the child is doing.

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It's true that only parents and/or legal guardians can obtain work permits for minors -- why Jon and Kate didn't do this is a mystery. Still, as the "employer" it was still TLC's responsibility to verify that the permits were in place before beginning filming.

I think this whole issue goes back to the "were the kids working" question. Why would the kids need work permits if TLC was filming a documentary? I've applied for the same permits for my kids, and they are only required for "acting" and "modeling." So, if TLC told the Gosselins to get the permits, then that seems to me an admission that kids were actually working actors. I think Jon's lawyer should absolutely pursue this issue. J&K were wrong not to obtain the permits, but TLC is in hot water for going ahead with filming without verifying that the kids had them.

My guess: TLC didn't press J&K too hard to apply for the permits because they wanted to side-step the "kids working" issue. If the kids had the permits, TLC would have had to abide by stringent child labor laws, and could never have abused the Gosselin kids the way they did. They also would have had to pay the kids individually; something else they managed to avoid.

A bunch of snakes, the whole lot of them.

For the Moment? said...

If the kids had rather be swimming than making tin can phones in the hot broiling sun then they were working, in my opinion (there was a distinct lack of enthusiasm during that epi). Jon is just so lost..his attorney and manager are not helping him at all. I tried to make sense of the play by on ROL about court and it appeared that Jon's team was not being heard by the judge or the other attorneys. It was a like a one-sided conversation that I could not follow. Jon's attorneys were make good points but they weren't being addressed. It was strange...not cohesive to me at all.

For the Moment? said...

I agree that Jon and Kate should have got the permits but TLC should not have begun filming until they had them. That is a given. I do not see how they can get past that but they are certainly trying. I think the judge is bought and paid for, he showed little concern for the fact that the state of PA wanted a copy of the contract or about the work permits.

For the Moment? said...

When TLC wanted Jon and Kate to continue filming as a family, when they were clearly not shoots the documentary theory out the window for both Jon and Kate and the kids. It was also theft of viewer services in my opinion because as a once devoted fan I felt robbed when I found out the truth. I would not have given them a moment of my time had I known that it was all a sham.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"I think the judge is bought and paid for, he showed little concern for the fact that the state of PA wanted a copy of the contract or about the work permits."
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He had no reason to. The hearing was about the breach of contract lawsuit, not about the lack of permits or violation of child labor laws. That's a separate issue for another complaint.

Jaden's Mom said...

The whole case against Jon is spiteful, and nothing else. It is disgusting that Kate would allow the father of her children to be dragged through the mud by the network that helped destroy their family. She is likely on the sidelines cheering them on.

Next thing you know, Kate will be complaining that Jon doesn't pay child support. Ummmm...Kate? He can't. You and your pimps essentially took away his means of making a living, as the odds of him being able to get a "regular" job at this point are next to none. Good job, Kate! You must be so proud of what you've done to the father of your children!

human factor said...

There is a bias against Jon because the projects he did outside TLC contracts were not great choices. Had he chosen to do more legit projects, the judge could have been more fairer to Jon.

He chose to make a fool of himself and transform himself into this "tabloid sensation". He teamed up with Hailey and sold stories to tabloids. First, the story was they are in love. Now the story is Hailey despises Jon and calls him a liar (but she still lives in his New York apartment). He even sat through the interview with Hailey to let her accuse him this and that. Whatever. He has no concern of his image. He just wants to make money. He got bad advices from his manager. His manager will hook him up with any paid appearance even if it means he has to be attacked and accused as the bad guy without defending himself.

He got on Insider to let them attack him without a fair chance to talk and defend himself. He was interrupted most of the time without being able to finish his sentences. All the hosts ganged up on him. Even the most articulate person would go under. Let alone Jon isn't used to this debate club thing. Then all the hosts totally bashed Jon for days on the show without Jon being there. But Jon still went back to Insider few days later. It's so DEGRADING to even be on the show since the show producers already decided to make Jon the public enemy/villain.

He just wants the paychecks. He doesn't care all these gigs he did, his children are going to hear about it and read about it someday. They will watch these degrading videos online and see their dad sitting there and being attacked like an idiot on Insider. They will see their dad sitting next to Hailey accuse him on ET.

The court system is not perfect. There is always human factor in it. I think the judge just takes it personal and looks down on Jon's choices pimping himself to tabloids regardless it ruins his reputation and degrades him.

If Jon had done other gigs like the fit club thing, The Biggest Loser or something requires more work instead of just pimping gossip stories, the judge might have been nicer to him. I know the fit club show might sound stupid to you, but hey, Jon doesn't dance, sing or act, the game show is not a bad choice for famous people who don't have performing skills. It does take some hard work to lose weight and get trained. It takes no effort to sell stories ruining your own image. The judge is judging him. What can you do?

human factor said...

And why did Jon even hook up with Michael Lohan the low life??? He even brought Michael Lohan home for God's sake. Michael Lohan is a scum.

Michael Lohan would sell his own daughter for quick bucks. To even let Michael Lohan meet your children, is Jon stupid?

Good thing Jon's kids are still little, what dirt can Michael Lohan dish besides the kids are whiners. Imagine if the kids are teens and Michael Lohan gets to spend time with them, he will gossip about the kids' party life and so on to get his 15 minutes.

And Hailey?

It's bad enough the parents are riding on the kids' coattail. Now the outsiders like Hailey wants a piece of pie? Come on!

For the Moment? said...

PA mom knows said...
He had no reason to. The hearing was about the breach of contract lawsuit, not about the lack of permits or violation of child labor laws. That's a separate issue for another complaint

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I wonder why he didn't block them from bringing these things up, instead of just ignoring them. Can a licensed attorney who will want to continue his career post Jon actually be that bad? If that is the case I can't see things going well for Jon in the divorce or the lawsuit.

Dunwoody Mom said...

PA Mom Knows said...And it really does benefit him and his kids because at least for the next 4 months their father won't be hosting cocaine and alcohol induced pool parties at Vegas hotels and seedy ideas like "Divorced Dad's Club" with Papa Lohan.

Okay, now, step back from the computer screen set to Radaronline. Where did you read the parties in Vegas were "cocaine filled?" Jon, himself, denied he ever agreed to a "Divorced Dad's Club" and Michael Lohan could only produce a contract that does not even have any signatures. How sad for you that you must get your "news" from Radaronline.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Sorry, I meant to quote the sheeple "Kelly" in my previous post.

Vanessa said...

You know we shouldn't be SHOCKED that Khate is allowing TLC to destroy the FATHER of her children, the man SHE once loved and wanted to spend the rest of her life with. She's destroyed any relationship she's had thus far. Why would she try to make this as amicable as possible when she's cut EVERYONE out of her life for doing far less to her (in her perception)

From reading a lot of the archive posts, Khate has been Khate from the beginning.
And as far as I can tell they were a TEAM in duping/cashing in/begging for ALL that they now have (material wise) SHE had him on line 24/7 trying to score big, he did the leg work (I still can't believe what I've read) But because he no longer was going to play the "part" she's going to screw him! He crossed her and now, with the grace of God, he's going to PAY!!
She claims to have maybe 6? people in her circle she can trust? WTF?
Not ONE of them a family member?
Not ONE of them trying to cash in on this mess by doing PAID interviews? When they DO come out, it's to advocate for those kids! When SHE speaks it's to slam the WORLD!!

Susan said...

Jaden's Mom said:

"The whole case is spiteful against Jon, nothing else."

Perhaps, JM, but Jon, via his own stupidity/poor impulse control, has opened all of the doors and laid himself out like a doormat, just waiting to be walked on. Jon will pay, perhaps for the rest of his life but, as with any relationship with a narcissistic personality such as Kate, you only pay for what you buy into.

For the Moment? said...

Jon does truly need to be working on losing weight and getting in shape plus writing his book in this downtime. If he comes out blowed up like he has been appearing, it will greatly affect his ability to get a show or whatever he can do once this is over. He needs to become more goal-oriented like his ex and dump spongeball Hailey. I can't help but feel she is a large part of his downfall. She is so teenagerish in her speech, mannerisms, dress, etc. and has toyed with his affections much like a teenager would do. She has been working very hard to brand herself and now that she has achieved that to some degree is through with Jon except that she still wants to live in his NY apartment. Her wanting to jet set may have been a large part of his decision to go to France also. I think she enabled the vultures to get him as well. Pillow talk is a powerful thing.

Pamela Jaye said...

Can's see Sheep. Sorry, I never answered your question about Federal Children In Reality Show legislation or guardianship for the Suleman kids.

Actually I did (took lots of time to find those links) but the post must have gotten lost or broken a rule.
You too can google, though. Try Paul Peterson'site and Jodi's sister's site. I heard Glori Allred was involved as well.

PA Woman said...

Jill said...
Hey, I'm pleased as punch that Jon got nailed for breach of contract. Whether they did it as retaliation for him pulling the kids or not, he DID break his end of things by doing all of those public appearances, especially the ones which conflicted with the image that he was contractually obligated to uphold.

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I actually won't have any problem with TLC suing Jon for breach of contract, if they were also suing kate for the things she did on her end. It's the difference in treatment I have a problem with, because we all know it is just to get to the kids.

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Anna said...

People can be totally disguested with Jon's behavior without being a sheeple or even liking Kate. I detest Kate but I thinking Jon has behaved horribly throughout 2009 and brought much of his grief on himself.
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Yes, I understand that people can be disgusted with Jons actions and not like Kate. But, I was talking specifically about those people whose hatred is so strong they are posting numerous times a day a different websites about how horrible Jon is and how much they hate him. And, I'm not talking about constructive critisms...just over and over again about their hatred towards Jon. How can anyone have such strong emotions towards someone they have just seen on a TV show?

I'm disgusted by Tiger Woods actions but this is the first time I've mentioned his name or made any statement about him on any website.

That is what I don't understand. I know a handful of women that spend their days spreading hate around about Jon. And they do it because they love Kate, want to meet Kate, and want to BE Kate.

yeaisaidthat said...

FYI to TLC..... There is absolutely nothing 'wholesome' about fabricated scripted 'reality' !!!

Brummygirl said...

I have to admit that I was astounded that Jon would be shooting a gun or even have a gun around the house with children.
This all convinces me that he has lost it. I feel he has been pushed to the limit with everyone against him.
He is like a child acting out against what they feel is unfair.
He has made some really bad choices and encouraged by those who should have pulled him up by the horns and stopped him.
His lawyer sucks and is just as irresponsible.
All this while Kate is smugly laughing at what she feels is her victory. Just wait Kate, your turn is coming and it will knock you of your high road horse quicker than a blink and absolutely no one will be there to catch you!!
You are such a horrible person ruining the one you were supposed to love and who went along with your psychotic games.

ThisIsReallyBad said...

Jon Gosselin -- Backed Into a Corner

Posted Dec 18th 2009 11:25AM by TMZ Staff

Jon Gosselin is in immediate financial trouble now that his divorce from Kate Gosselin is final ... because he got nailed with huge child support payments and has no real way of paying ... sources tell TMZ.

Jon Gosselin -- Backed Into a Corner

We've learned under the arbitrator's award, Jon must make huge child support payments -- we're told 5 figures a month. And here's the problem. TLC has now shut down Jon's ability to take outside jobs. The irony -- he did himself in.

We've also learned Jon was charged every penny of the $235,000 that he withdrew from their joint account. That amount was deducted from his piece of the settlement.

As for Jon's claim that Kate should be docked for money she withdrew ... we've learned Jon struck out. The arbitrator determined every penny she withdrew was for the benefit of the kids.

celebrity seperationsUnder the terms of the divorce decree, Kate has primary custody and Jon gets visitation -- both Jon and Kate agreed to that in advance. And, they agreed, neither party would get spousal support.

Score a big one for Mark Momjian, Kate's lawyer.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/18/jon-gosselin-kate-gosselin-jon-and-kate-plus-8-finances-money-tlc-child-support-lawyer-divorce/#ixzz0a4TKLc12

N.E. Psychologist said...

The judge finalized the divorce this am. NYT says no alimony, Kate has custody and the house; Jon to pay child support in the 5 figures (?). Kate reportedly "thrilled" since "she won."
I'm sure the devil is in the details but it sounds like he's screwed.
Those poor kids.

Anonymous said...

Poor Jon, all he turned out to be for her was a sperm donor. He has had some sort of mental breakdown. I really do feel for him.

anotherthing... said...

So what if Jon legally must pay a 5 figure child support payment... being required to doesnt mean he is able to.

Im sure (presumptious, but look at his track record...) that he cant come up with that kind of money.

Which means ...no money. Kate surly cant make 5 figures a month. And if she does now, it wont last. And when she becomes a 'has-been' (almost there) there is literally NO WAY they can afford that lifestyle.

What a joke.

The losers? The kids. Not Jon.

The winners? No one. Not Kate.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"We've learned under the arbitrator's award, Jon must make huge child support payments -- we're told 5 figures a month."

$$$$$$$$$$$

And how much is SHE contributing to the support of the children that SHE schemed to conceive?

Brummygirl said...

There may be one way out of Jon's trouble, are we forgetting he is suing T.L.C. for mega money?
When does that come to fruition?
When is Kate going to pay for what she has done?

nanasez said...

I actually won't have any problem with TLC suing Jon for breach of contract, if they were also suing kate for the things she did on her end.
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But Kate didn't violate the contract. She had TLC's permission for all the appearances, etc. that she did. They knew she'd be promoting the show, so they okayed her gigs.

GoPoshGo said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
And how much is SHE contributing to the support of the children that SHE schemed to conceive?

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Come on, Pa Mom, you know Kate will at least fork over a couple of grapes ... and maybe even a slice of turkey on a good day. ;)

jibberjabbers said...

Jon doesn't have a mental breakdown. This is what they want you to believe so Kate can have full custody and full control of the kids.

There is a video on Radar of Jon talking to the paps. He didn't say much because he wasn't allowed to but he didn't look like a guy having a "breakdown".

Sure Kate and her lawyers are making it look like they came out as winners but its' obviously overblown on their end.

I just find it interesting how Jon is told to be quiet while Kate and her lawyer can gloat about the settlement". lol

Seems like a publicity stunt.

"he who laugh last, laugh longest".

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Come on, Pa Mom, you know Kate will at least fork over a couple of grapes ... and maybe even a slice of turkey on a good day. ;)"

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What about on a bad day? Chicken salmonella?

Can't See Sheep said...

jibberjabbers said...
Sure Kate and her lawyers are making it look like they came out as winners but its' obviously overblown on their end.
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She's a narcissist, she's going to come out looking like she won even if she didn't

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Come on, Pa Mom, you know Kate will at least fork over a couple of grapes ... and maybe even a slice of turkey on a good day. ;)"

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What about on a bad day? Chicken salmonella?
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It's the holidays, it's a treat on the bad days, turkey salmonella for all

Pa Mom Knows said...
And how much is SHE contributing to the support of the children that SHE schemed to conceive?
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We'll see kate & TLC pay when the kids sue them.

To Pamela Jaye thx

PA Woman said...

kimmie said...
And you don't see any correlation to all the hatred spewed over and over day in and day out towards Kate?
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There is a correlation to the why, but not the how. That is what I am talking about. The women I am speaking of just post "I hate Jon" over and over again and give absolutely no reason. The people posting negatively about Kate, include a reason in their post---whether you happen to agree with it or not.

Tami said...

But Kate didn't violate the contract. She had TLC's permission for all the appearances, etc. that she did. They knew she'd be promoting the show, so they okayed her gigs.
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Oh yes because going on the Today show to complain that Jon stole money and she only has $1000 left for food is promoting the show. Sure.

itsaliving said...

In the end... Nobody wins.

PA Woman said...

Yes, it is in the KIDS best interest for TLC and Kate to do what ever they can to destroy their father. It amazes me what has happened in the name of "best for the kids". Yeah right. They don't factor into the equation at all.

Midnight Serenade said...

There's been much discussion about TLC's taking away Jon's ability to earn an income to pay child support, but how long would he be in "demand" by the media and other outlets? A few months maybe? Let's face it, in a short while he (and the whole enchilada) are going to be old news, if they aren't already. The income from public appearances is not going to sustain him until the kids turn 18.

Certainly TLC and the injunction has put the brakes on his money-making ability NOW but what happens in the long-run? He certainly isn't being restricted from getting a "regular" job is he? Must the courts approve what type of job he is able to secure?

frostythesnowman said...

But Kate didn't violate the contract. She had TLC's permission for all the appearances, etc. that she did. They knew she'd be promoting the show, so they okayed her gigs.
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Oh yes because going on the Today show to complain that Jon stole money and she only has $1000 left for food is promoting the show. Sure.


Let's not forget Kate's telephone call in to The View boo hooing about the same. TLC apparantly had NO problem approving Kate air time to discuss the divorce and speak negatively of Jon. Since Jon was equally HELD to the SAME TLC contract as Kate, why didnt or wouldnt TLC equally approve air time for Jon to publicly discuss the divorce and speak negatively of Kate? The ONLY reason Kate got away with it is because TLC APPROVED!!

PA Woman said...

Midnight Serenade said...
Certainly TLC and the injunction has put the brakes on his money-making ability NOW but what happens in the long-run? He certainly isn't being restricted from getting a "regular" job is he? Must the courts approve what type of job he is able to secure?

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Maybe I've been giving Jon too much credit, but I've always assumed he would try and take advantage of his "fame" for a period of time and see what he could make of it, say a year or so. Then, if it doesn't pan out, started looking for a "real" job.

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