Another Sheeple Wanders By

I'm grumpy today for various reasons so I'll let our gentle readers deal with this one.


I came here to see what all the fuss was about, and I have to say, I don't understand why everyone is SOOO anti Kate. I am married with four kids, and there are times that my husband and I are not at our best. We screw up, we are human. We get mad at each other and probably say things we shouldn't....EVERYBODY DOES. People will not cut her any slack and keep dredging up things from so long ago. She has admitted to being wrong about some things, and has tried to change (for example, she admits that fans used to irritate her, and now she realizes that she was being stupid, and appreciates what they do for her), but you won't let her. The bottom line is that people here assume they know her based on an EDITED TV show. I don't assume that tells me anything. What I can see with my own two eyes, so unfortunately, is Jon's bad behavior. THIS I believe. If people could stop hating for just a minute, it will make you feel better. Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better? Kate loves those kids and has their best interests at heart. You might not agree with her, but they are HER children, and she needs to care for them as she sees fit. They sure don't look unhappy or neglected!!
(HMomofFour)
7:13 AM

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She's...um..RUINED said...

Go away, Kate! You bilked the PA taxpayers out of how much money?? what about the churches, with your 'poor me' speech while purchasing a million dollar home?

What about dishonoring your parents on national tv?

Banishing other relatives and friends because they 'did not know how to help us?"...(I guess Kate got stuck on the phrase, 'it is better to give than receive'...guess she hasn't received enough....

How about shopping tapes around of your kids for financial profit??
Spewing lies constantly ?(i.e., we did the show for the memories...we did the show so we could provide for the kids....which is the truth???

How about medically neglecting your child during a constipation issue (which should be warrant enough to take away your nursing degree--what a joke)

What about the failure to care for your children while they are sick ? (place child on dark cold tile floor while vomiting)

Constantly belittle and physically attack your husband,...in front of the kids..

Use the money the KIDS made for your own personal 'enhancements', while they trudge around in old donated clothing and crocs...heck, tell me how she NEEDS $400 shoes, expensive clothing in multiple colors of the same outfit...???

Tell me how she can have her hair done to her specifications, yet her girls hair is only done when the nanny is around??

Why does she need a 70,000 suv that won't even hold the entire family??
Aren't the two vans good enough for her anymore??

Why does she fail to give Beth Carson credit for the book that Beth wrote??

Kate sees those kids as a means to an end for HER. They are her higher order money makers.

How about being a high road taker...did that mean running Jon over in your fancy new car on the road??

How about all the mean things she has said about Mady?? Since when is it not 'fun' to donate money to a worthwhile group?? Mady has been listening to her mother too much...

Kate liked the trips because she says all the time how she never got to do anything as a child....way to mend some fences, girl!! I bet you make your parents proud...you should be ashamed. Kate liked the trips for HERSELF.

I could go on and on.

Team8notKate said...

Making restitution to the individuals that she has wronged would make people take Kate more seriously. Tell me why should anyone should cut her some slack? She certainly never cut her brother, parents, or Jon any slack. What makes her so much better than they are? She is a con artist and a liar. She lies constantly.

Onto Jon he is no angel and I don't think you will find many who say he is on this site. He too has lied and he has made some very foolish decisions lately. He does need to grow up and be responsible. He admits his wrong doings and apologizes for them. Which is what makes him different to Kate. Of the two he is the better parent. You may not believe this, but I very rarely ever side with a man in a lot of divorces but in Jon's case his my strong opinion is that he was a victim of Kate's abuse.

Neither one in my opinion thought of their children when they decided to go on tv. It as about getting money from them. Not so much the twins but off of the sextuplets. But Jon at least cancelled the show.
Whatever the motive was behind it and I think that was a very good thing to do. Sorry Kate doesn't get sympathy or even deserve sympathy from me. She is a very selfish person.

overthehill said...

they are THEIR children not HER children

Anonymous said...

Okay, I'll give this one a shot. I don't hate Kate - I do not like her behavior. She is putting her children in harm's way by parading them in front of TV cameras. Thank goodness Jon stepped up & put an end to their TV show. IMHO, Jon is the more loving and nurturing parent of the two of them. Recently, Dr. Lillian Glass (body language expert) did an observation of Kate as she took her children to the park. From Dr. Glass' analysis she reports that Kate is emotionally distant from her kids. Please Google Dr. Lillian Glass and read the assessment for yourself.

I'm glad J&K Plus 8 is over and those kids can hopefully have some form of privacy. There are too many pedophiles out there with wickedness in their hearts. Those kids deserve better than to be on TV and have their every move video taped for public consumption.

WorkerBee said...

On one hand you talk about EDITED television. Then on the other hand you state "Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?" and you don't think THAT was edited to make Jon look bad? C'mon! We've all seen how Kate treats Mady and Mady treats Kate, caught on LIVE t.v. Mommy is not her favorite. And even if she did say that without prompting, she probably said it because Kate does get the funner trips b/c she is TLC's Golden Girl and Jon is now the chump.

MickeyMcKean said...

"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

I do not have any children.

Now, even if I am not a mother, there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind that when Mady said SHE (not they) like doing things better with her mother she was definitely pitting one parent against the other.

Young children going through a divorce resort to such games.

Hell, even adult children will resort to such games.

I don't blame Jon one bit for not allowing Mady to get away with her comment. If he let that comment slide, who knows what she will say and/or how she will speak to him in the future.

It should be noted that we as viewers have no way of knowing what all happened that day and was said by Mady and/or Cara but was conveniently edited out by TLC to make Jon look bad.

Keep in mind that there is a lawsuit and a counter lawsuit pending between TLC and Jon. When the final show started, the first scene showing the sign on the Gosselin gate, one does not have to be a rocket scientist to know that the final show was not going to be "favorable" for Jon. It wasn't.

For your information I am not on Team Jon nor Team Kate, I'm on Team 8.

Tina said...

Holy ORGANIC cow crap!

GoPoshGo said...

Hmph. The only example of Kate "changing" that this poster can come up with is Kate's new attitude about her fans???? I say come back again, Ms. Sheeple, when you can post about Kate's changing her: treatment of Jon, neglect of her kids, rudeness to everyone around her, sense of importance and entitlement, exhorbitant amount of time traveling with a man who is not her husband ... and let's throw in the Ho-drobe and possum head for good measure. When the Sheeple have evidence of changes in any or all of those areas, then perhaps I'll take one of their posts seriously. BTW HMomofFour, Kate's change in attitude about her fans is out of pure desperation. She's trying to save a sinking ship, and wants the fans on her side (and against Jon). She could still give a rat's ass about the lot of you.

And thanks for not disappointing with the illogical double standard regarding the "editing" factor. Because OF COURSE we should cut Kate some slack due to selective editing, but everything we see of Jon's behavior is 100% true and accurate. Yeah. That's right.

Gwoppers, WHERE do these women come from??????

DisgustedinLA said...

That's the problem, the selfishness.
You absolutely must be selfless... and Kate has showed us (Jon is guilty of this too, HMomofFour) that she is not selfless.

rural mom said...

What right does Kate have to invite cameras into her home and record her children's private lives for a paycheque? Her job is to raise them, not exploit them for her fame and fortune. She is not the most fascinating person of this year, she is most repulsive.

lalaland said...

"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

On a live CBS tv interview when asked, "Is she a good mom?" Mady responded, "Yes, but I still like Daddy better."

At the time, I thought Mady was just mad at her mom right then, so said something ugly. I think the same thing can be said for her comment in front of her dad - she was mad at him right then, so said something ugly.

PA Woman said...

As another poster said, I don't hate Kate either. But, her desire to continue to parade her kids in front of a TV camera is wrong. The "Kate fans" need to find a more productive activity for their lives. Instead of sitting in front of the TVC watching an edited version of a family, get out there in real life. Take that time each week you use watching beloved Kate and volunteer and a senior center, a local school, an animal shelter. Use the time productively instead of mourning the lose the J&K+8 minus Jon show. Live life instead of getting involved with a TV-family.

Jon has made a lot of mistakes in the last year. But, the most important thing he has done right. And that is getting those kids off of TLC.

NoUse4Kate said...

"they are HER children, and she needs to care for them as she sees fit."


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As the other poster pointed out, they are "THEIR" children. Sure parents have a right to raise their children in a manner they see fit...to a certain point. When abuse, such as exploitation, comes into play that is not their right. Would you approve of a parent abusing their child via physical abuse? Heck NO! I am willing to bet you wouldn't put your seal of approval on that. Abuse is abuse and exploiting your children is abuse on many levels.

It truly amazes me that people are A-OK with child exploitation. It's not cute to use your kids as your cash cow. They didn't ask to be born, they didn't ask to support you. It is your responsibility once you bring them into this world to love and nurture them, teach them how to treat others, teach them respect for others, teach them manners, see that they get a good education and you are supposed to support them FINANCIALLY, not the other way around.

As far as the Mady comment goes, kids like whoever dangles the biggest treat in front of them. Khate gets to go on the good trips, Jon got to stay home, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.

crabbygirl said...

I guess Miss Sheeple does not realize that Kate's newfound love for the sheeple is because the publicity people have had to tell her that the public in general finds her repulsive. Kate could care less about her followers but if it affects her PAYDAY then she will ACT more demure and sweet. This woman is a sitting timebomb!! I am still laughing about what I read about her "crush" on Liam Neeson. I guess she has a thing about guys with accents. (Steve)

jibberjabbers said...

"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

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This is a incorrect quote.

It's actually:

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"I like the stuff that we did with mommy"
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Now if you're Mady, what's more fun? Going shopping and getting spa treatments, or making signs and fighting with yours sister?

You cry about "editing" but this was obviously edited to make Jon look bad. Mady was probably complaining for hours. I mean look at the sign, it was at least 60% complete. So who knows how long they have been complaining and fighting.

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Pictures are worth a thousand words. Here is a slide of Mady reaction to Kate Gosselin trying to hug her for a photog.

Mady walking away

HW said...

I do not understand this fan's desire to cite "editing" when referring to Kate's bad behavior but is certain that editing has nothing to do with Jon's. Nor is she willing to believe that perhaps the media is biased in its representation of the issues.

Kate was traveling with her bodyguard long before the marriage fell apart. This bothered Jon a great deal and yet she was not willing to make changes. She decided it was better to let her husband and children live with suspicions and embarrassment than take steps to protect her family.
How is this a loving mother?

I cannot say this enough. Kate is destroying her children by disparaging their father on national television. She has never apologized for her horrendous treatment of him for 5 years. She hates their father and never misses an opportunity to make sure the world knows it. Even when she says "I don't want my kids to remember me badmouthing their dad" she then goes on to bad mouth him further. How is this a loving mother?
As a victim of parental alienation, I know this will come back to haunt her. Those children will one day say the greatest damage their mother did was in disparaging their father on national television. That is not a loving mother.
Kate has alienated her children's family because they don't know how to help them. She looks for reasons to dispose of people - people whom her children love. How is this a loving mother?

Please answer these questions, how all of these examples (and more) make her a loving mother and maybe we will see your point of view.

Also, please cite examples other than the fans (on whom she depends for money) where she has had a change of heart. Perhaps a time where she has apologized for treating everyone like crap, would be a nice place to start.

My question to Kate fans is: How can you watch 5 seasons of this show and NOT see that she treated Jon so horribly?

DMH said...

I think it's hilarous that this poster brought up the scene with Mady. That just further proves OUR point: a) how scripted this show had become towards the end. b) how bad TLC purposefully made Jon look. In the past, they would've never shown such an exchange.

Shame on you, for admiring the deplorable way Kate has raised her children.

Glad it's over said...

It is the totality of Khate's obnoxious behavior and narcissistic personality that has caused folks to hate her.

She has been consistantly verbally and physically abusive, rude, dismissive and disrespectful of Jon and the kids. It wasn't a case of her having "a bad day" because of 8 kids - she has, over and over again, been rude to family, fans, vendors and camera staff.

She's long since alienated any friends she once had.

She's openly stated that they should "get help" because they have so many kids. Freebies is her middle name - AND then she is not even gracious to those who provide things (the solar panel episode and kitchen remodel come to mind, as well as the window coverings in the Etown house). I simply do not understand her claims that they could not make it on a nurse and IT tech salaries - that is so insulting to all families with many children who DO manage without the TV "star" trappings and money.

If she were sometimes nice and sometimes crabby I could "maybe" understand, but Khate has been consistently and completely a BITCH.

She has no concept of "others", only "me, me, me" as evidenced by the pathetic exclamation at the window of the new house "Mine, ALL mine!"

So Khate supporters, we don't hate her for things from long ago, we hate her for the totality of her being, for the pathetic narcissism she demonstrates, for the lack of love and understanding of her children and for the exploitation them.

As a result of her sadly lacking maternal instinct, she has raised 8 little brats who have modeled their behavior and sense of entitlement on hers.

They misbehave because they don't know any better and because she ignores their need for direction and discipline.

Those kids are rotten to each other and there is only one reason for such learned behaviors - a lack of parenting skills.

I have never thought of her as a mother, but as a breeder who set out from the beginning to capitalize on her body's ability to gestate a litter. My apologies here for the harshness of my sentiment, but I have never seen any real, genuine or intimate love for the kids.

My heart aches for all those precious children because of what their lives have been up to now, and what their lives will be from here forward. I hope they can make it somehow through their youth and into adulthood without too much baggage....

Now that the filming is over and the kids can hopefully get back to a normal life, I am hopeful that educational professionals and mental health professionals can straigten out the confusion for the kids and help them have some happiness like normal kids.

I really don't have much hope the parents will be able to suddenly become good parents.

Oh, and lest I forget The Loser Channel, let me say here that as enablers they are top shelf! They took a nominally normal family and helped make them a national joke and documented the sad destruction of what should have been a wonderful and precious family.

My heart breaks for the loss and rejoices for the end of Khate's reign.

Pony said...

I'm curious about Jon's bad behavior that the sheeple "can see with my own two eyes." What behavior did you see? Were you with him when he was with women other than Kate? If you weren't, then you didn't see any bad behavior beyond his smoking a cigarette. I'm not in favor of his smoking, but it's not illegal, just bad for his health. Didn't y ou see Kate hit Leah? Or deny Mady and all of the kids water? Did you miss the episode where Kate hit Jon? or talked to him like he was a dog? If you did miss those episodes, then you've missed most of them. Yes, the episodes are edited, but they can't fake her hitting Jon or her snide, derisive comments to him, often in front of the children.

As for Mady's comment - of course she said that. As others have said, they do cooler stuff when they are with Kate. OTH, when they are with Jon, they do things that the average kid their ages do. Now which is better for their development? I'm putting my money on the things they do with Jon.

Anonymous said...

What has bothered me with the question of the show is Kate's feeling of entitlement. She is entitled to have a television show about her kids. This is the method she has decided to support her children. It has never occurred to her that in the end it is the viewers who decide whether the show is worth watching. I personally never recall her ever acknowledging the viewers/sheeple as the people responsible for keeping the show on the air. I stopped watched because I believe a parent doesn't have the right to sell her children privacy. I also don't watch because it is just awful television even by cable standards. It's like watching a child's version of the Travel Channel!. If I want to be entertained by children I go visit the muppets who live across the street from me.

Momof2 said...

I find it funny that Kate is "misrepresented" in an EDITED TV show..as the sheeple pointed out...but everything TLC showed about Jon is believable....sheez...gimme a break..did she proofread that before she hit post?

hippie chick said...

She's...um...RUINED, well said! And I find it amusing the sheeple says "edited TV", ya, so...what is she like in real life? UGH!! I can't imagine how reprehensible she is without the cameras and the magic of editing.

Ohio Buckeye said...

M'aam, I do not mean to insult you, but have you ever heard the statement, "If you have to ask how much it costs, you probably can't afford it"?

The corollary to that is: "If, after observing 5 seasons of Kate Gosselin, you do not understand why people hold no respect for her, then it is doubtful any amount of explanation will help you comprehend those who hold Kate in very low esteem.

While you are right, that just about every couple has good days and bad, some worse than others. But in KateWorld, there is no such thing as a day good enough to be free of Kate's criticism, impatience, and mean spiritedness. Having 8 kids is no excuse for being as controlling and critical as Kate Gosselin.

Kate would make a great case study of narcissism. Have you considered going to the library to read up on this disorder? It might help you see Kate in a different light.

JMO, but I seriously wonder about women who condone Kate's treatment of her then-spouse. Do other women actually treat their husbands with such a blatant lack of affection and respect and, so, watching Kate G, somehow lulls them into believing their own similar emotional and verbal spousal abuse is normal and justifiable?

Again, I suggest a trip to your local library to read up on verbal and emotional abuse, its mechanisms and outcomes.

I am not here to defend Jon except to say that many women WISH their own spouses were as willing to take on as much of the load after working a full day as we saw Kate expect from the very first episode. Yet he never got any recognition, muchless appreciation.

Seems naive to assume Kate's personality is actually kind and loving and patient and that her tv persona is simply a creation of TLC's edit room. Even if that were true, where's the integrity, where's the wisdom in continuing to allow yourself to be portrayed in a way that is, at the very least, likely to prove confusing and VERY embarrassing for your kids?

There is no rationalization for Kate's level of control issues and insensitivity to others. Surely this aspect of Kate Gosselin is not a matter of creative editing. There is no excuse for her absolute intolerance of anyone doing anything any other way than as SHE envisions.

Contrary to her arrogance, her way is not always the best way. Further, she demands absolute control over issues that do not require anyone's control and, truth be told, would be best left alone.

In the final analysis of these situations, Storm Trooper Kate demands her OWN way to achieve her OWN comfort level and the needs and feelings of those around her are ignored. This fails to measure up to kind, loving, or patient in my book.

This part of her behavior is absolutely consistent episode to episode, season to season. Kate's stating she 'was too hard on' people while she CONTINUES the same bulldozing techniques up to the very last episode is a waste of my time.

I'd rather be at the library, reading up on what makes people like Kate Gosselin so joyless in life, even in the good times.

It's ALL scripted and edited said...

So, Kate's negative personality is the result of editing, but Mady's statement about liking activities with mommy better is neither scripted nor a factor of slanted editing?

That's a pretty big lapse of logic there....

Anonymous said...

On the TV interview where Kate denied Mady water, Mady told the interviewer that she liked her daddy better than her mom. So, Ms. Sheeple, I wouldn't put too much stock in what a child who is playing one parent against the other says.

On another note, I am sick of sheeple constantly saying that EVERYONE treats their spouses the way Kate does, or EVERYONE this or EVERYONE that. Sorry, not buying it. Not once in my 28 year marriage have I humiliated my husband in public. I do NOT routinely berate him and/or treat him like a child. I NEVER once told our children not to listen to daddy because he was mean. I do NOT belittle him. It seems it just makes sheeple feel better to make grand sweeping all inclusive statements like that to make their own relationships seem normal. This is your draw to Kate. She makes you feel better about yourself and your relationships. After all, if Kate does it (and isn't she just so cute)then the way I treat my spouse is not so bad. No thanks, lady. And no, I am not stupid enough to try and convince you or anyone else that my marriage is or has ever been perfect. Of course, we have our ups and downs. However, we work very hard, and always have, at treating each other with dignity and respect. That's all you need to know. The way Kate treated her spouse made me realize why America's divorce rate is so high. BTW Very few of us cut Jon any slack, either.

As to what kind of mother Kate is............I'll let the others handle that. I've said enough.

Etown mom said...

My suggestion for all sheeple is that they should either work at Target, the nail salon, or any other place that Kate frequents or live a house or two down from her for even a day or two. The scales would fall from your eyes or the wool would be removed so you could see.

The's a nasty witch with a b and that's all there is to be said for her. Entitled is her middle name.

Momof2 said...

I too find that funny Anonymous....

..do women of that generation think that's how all we wives speak to our husbands? Just because they can justify it doesn't mean it's right...I would NEVER disrespect my husband and berate him in such a manner. I always speak to him in a very lovely tone...even when I disagree with him.

She's lucky Jon let her get away with her for as long as he did...my Husband would've thrown me out on my ear a long ago!

Jon showed her GREAT respect especially when she didn't deserve it...and he held his tongue and temper for quite a while...showing that much restraint tells about what kind of Husband he was to her...she totally blew it.

Momof2 said...

Funny...how Kate's attitude didn't change towards her fans while she was collecting love offerings from them...no...it wasn't until much much later.

Pathetic

Moo said...

You say we hate Kate based on some edited footage.

How can you love Kate based on some edited footage?

Moo said...

On another note, I am sick of sheeple constantly saying that EVERYONE treats their spouses the way Kate does, or EVERYONE this or EVERYONE that. Sorry, not buying it. Not once in my 28 year marriage have I humiliated my husband in public. I do NOT routinely berate him and/or treat him like a child. I NEVER once told our children not to listen to daddy because he was mean. I do NOT belittle him.
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I totally agree with you.
Watch any newer couch scene- she did not show him any respect.

Maggie said...

We are having problems with Blogger and getting comments put through. I see a couple of anonymous comments and I am not going to delete them (someone else may), because they have been commented on, but please no anonymous comments!

dustilies said...

Anonymous said . . .

Sorry, not buying it. Not once in my 28 year marriage have I humiliated my husband in public. I do NOT routinely berate him and/or treat him like a child. I NEVER once told our children not to listen to daddy because he was mean. I do NOT belittle him.
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Excellent point. I'm sure not perfect, but I've never even secretly wanted to say or do the things to my husband of 20 years that she has done to Jon. To his face and behind his back.

As one of y'all posted sometime in the summer, so eloquently that the words stick in my head, Kate "should feel protective of her children's feelings toward their father." Kate's behavior, consistently over time and right up until the last show, has been just horrible on this score. Unless your ex-spouse is abusing your children, you really need to keep your thoughts on his or her faults to yourself when your kids are around. Or camera crews from a national network with international distribution.

Jules from OZ said...

You say that you can not understand how we can not see what a great person Kate is and all the negative stuff is just editing. Ok lets go with that for a moment.

How do you explain, the former neighbours who have written how unpleasant Kate was, the lady who hosted an event Kate talked at and then slammed her in print for being ungracious, Beth and Jodi etc etc all disapearing over time. I could go on and on. None of these people made their decisions on their feelings for Kate based on editing. They saw what she was like IN REAL LIFE and STILL didn't like her.

Please explain!!!!

Moo said...

As for Mady's comment - of course she said that. As others have said, they do cooler stuff when they are with Kate.
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Maddy knows how to pit one parent against the other. We've seen her do it before.

Skiing lesson with Jon - Maddy wishes Kate was there.

Watergate with Kate- Maddy likes Daddy better.

Colouring with Jon- Maddy like Mommy's trips better

Painting pottery with - Maddy wants to makes hers for Daddy when Kates suggest she makes something for Kate.

Jonas bros with Kate

Oh please I think she was just trying to irk Jon. If the tups are bribed with candy to say lines, who knows what the twins are bribed with to perform.

Trashyshow said...

Kate is a liar and a child abuser. Period.

We said...

I talk to my mother every week.
Kate sends and gets an occasional e.mail from her mother and father.How cold and sad.

poor collin said...

in my opinion, kate gosselin is no "mommy", she is only a mother by virtue of giving birth. she lost the title of "mommy" when she ignored her crying, hurting, painfully constipated toddler to casually leaf through a furniture catalog. what kind of person does this??? not a mommy that's for sure!!!

Brummygirl said...

So, your logic is based on we are only seeing the edited version of Kate? So if this was the worst of Kate, then they must have thrown all the good stuff on the editor's floor? Do you really think T.L.C. would put out the worst over five seasons?
Well if this is the case, I would like to see the film which was gone because what we did see, surely did not show Kate in a good light.
I do not hate Kate, hate is a very strong word to use with someone you do not know, but I do dislike the way she has put her children up for ransom.
I am not in Jon's corner either, because initially he did the same as Kate but at least he came to his senses for whatever reason and pulled the plug on filming his children.
As as been mentioned here, the children do not solely belong to Kate, they are Jon's too.
The name Sheeple indicates a follower...we are not followers on here, we are not a hate group, we are people who take information given and intellectually discuss the pros and cons of a certain series.
One can only judge by what one sees, edited or not but when a pattern repeats itself time and time again, one has to be pretty dim to not see the outcome.
So in turn, I ask you, why do you love Kate so much? What is it about her that makes you think she is the second coming!!
We are all human, we all make mistakes but when someone thinks they are blameless and are vindictive in their assault on the other person, there has to be a question about that person's character.
The bottom line is Kate's favourite saying "It's all about the kids"...well yes it is and that is why we are so concerned about those eight children who have been slung into the media circus by their own parents and one is still willing to sell them out.
I suggest you re run the episodes with an open mind and see if you would treat your family the same way.

Rose said...

I got into a semi-argument with a different "sheeple" today, and while I did my best to be civil and speak my side, I ultimately realized that you can't make anyone believe anything they don't want to. It makes me very upset when people don't see Kate for who she truly is, when the evidence is right there in black and white. But if you want to support her, then that's what you're going to do anyway, so have at it.

This particular person says that you can't get a clear idea about someone based on an edited TV show. Well, if the show is truly "edited", then why is Kate so adament in explaining that the show is their real life as it is, and that she and the kids are just going about their regular everyday lives while the cameras film them? Do you see the contradiction there?

I really don't know what else to say, but in short, I strongly feel that Kate is very manipulative and absolutely starved for attention from the public. She is setting her children up for an existence where people they don't even know will be following them, snapping pictures of them, and invading their privacy. Kate says they wouldn't be filmed if they didn't want to be, but they are not mature enough to know what's really happening, and they certainly aren't old enough to speak their opinions from an educated standpoint. Kate has made her living telling lies and revealing personal information about her kids that maybe they just don't want the entire world to know. That's just not the kind of thing a mother should do, EVER.

Of course, all couples fight, and not always in small ways, but when it comes down to one spouse constantly belittling and treating their spouse like a ninth child, there is truly something wrong. If Jon had spent all these years saying a FRACTION of the things to Kate that she has said to him, then people would think that child protective services needed to be called. As it is, Kate has never let him forget the "pull the stick out" issue from years ago, and that was ONE ISOLATED COMMENT! Kate's list of cruel and demeaning comments to Jon is about a thousand times longer, and yet you would never see TLC give Jon the opportunity to talk about those. Oh, but they'll devote an entire episode to the fact that poor, put-upon Kate had to deal with her husband telling her to pull the stick out while she was under such monumental stress.

TLC and the sheeple make Kate out to be the martyr, taking advantages of Jon's recent foolish behavior to build Kate up as "the good parent". Well, I'm here to tell you something: just because one parent is wrong doesn't mean the other one is automatically right. Just because Jon's done stupid things does not mean that Kate deserves to be glorified. They have both been wrong in different ways, and that's what it all boils down to.

Again, though, the sheeple are not going to budge no matter what, so I say let them think what they want. Hopefully they will see the truth eventually, but if not...well, then, at least you can't say the truth was ever hidden from view. The show's footage will always be there.

Sara said...

"Recently, Dr. Lillian Glass (body language expert) did an observation of Kate as she took her children to the park. From Dr. Glass' analysis she reports that Kate is emotionally distant from her kids. Please Google Dr. Lillian Glass and read the assessment for yourself."

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Not only that, but in another fairly recent interview of Kate's, she did the famous dabbing of her eyes with a Kleenex. A body language expert noted that her eyes were not the least bit wet (there are pictures to prove it), and her voice wasn't even shaking, which generally happens when a person really starts to choke up. She also tends to look at the floor or the ceiling when she speaks, indicating shame and lying. Being in front of the cameras for so long, Kate has become very good at "playing the crowd" to get the sympathy she wants.

Jon himself has said that he no longer trusts her because she doesn't speak from the heart, and while he's no angel himself, I think he would know better than anyone else, given the fact that he lived with her for ten years.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"they are HER children, and she needs to care for them as she sees fit."
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What an absolutely assinine statement. Antoinette Davis, the mother of five-year-old Shaniya Davis, sold her child for human trafficking. The poor little girl was murdered. Shaniya was HER daughter and she cared for her as she saw fit, which resulted in the child's murder.
Just because the Gosselins are HER children doesn't ensure that what the mother does is going to be in the best interest of the child. The years of therapy these kids will have to face is living testimony to a mother doing as she sees "fit."

Miss said...

Sheeple,

May your sons and grandsons marry a woman just like Kate. In EVERY factor. Then we can talk Kate.

Techymum said...

Plain and simple, the Dionne Quintuplets.

And the letter from the surviving Dionne women to parents of multiples.

THEY lived this nightmare already. And it did not end well.

Pa Mom Knows said...

I just have one question: What goes on in the life of the sheeple that they are so blind that they can't see the forest for the trees? In what socio-economic group do they belong that they believe Kate is someone to whom they can look up -- is this how they live their lives, or how they WANT to live their lives, the latter of which is even more frightening?

Rose said...

A few more points from this sheeple that I wanted to address:
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"For example, she admits that fans used to irritate her, and now she realizes that she was being stupid, and appreciates what they do for her."

Yeah, she appreciates them now, because she knows that they are raking in the money for her, and without them, her scam would be long over. I'd bet you anything that TLC was the one who wrote out that "I love my fans now" line for her, because seriously, how many times has she gone back to it episode after episode? She keeps saying it as if it is part of a carefully written script. After all, Sheeple, you said yourself that the show is edited. How do you know that this line from Kate was rehearsed and pasted into the episodes for dramatic effect?
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"They [the kids] sure don't look unhappy."

Well, of course not, if you think that children who constantly whine, cry, speak incoherently in-between sobs, hit each other in the head, throw public tantrums, and complain that their feet hurt during a long hike with Mommy are sure-fire indications that they are happy. Those children are dealing with the divorce of their parents at 5 and 9 years old, and as if that weren't awful enough, the whole world is watching their family crumble. The children have clearly looked miserable over the past couple of years, and not just a few isolated incidents where they've acted up like any normal kid. It is ongoing, and as I've said before, there's the show's footage to prove it.

Jake's mom said...

Okay, to the sheeple and anyone else who is listening, my job today brought me into contact with someone who was on site to film the opening of the J&K+8 show, the one J&K coming out the front door of the old house & the "parachute" type thing the family opens up that is printed with the name of their show. This opener was filmed 2 years ago.

He said Kate is a narcicistic monster.

He said Kate would not allow the crew to use her bathroom. So he said, "Well, we'll need to bring in an RV, because our crew will need to use the restroom."
No, Kate would not have it. She would not accept an RV parked outside her house. The crew had to walk 1 mile up the road in the snow to the McDonald's to use the restroom. And this woman considers herself a Christian??!

Speaking of snow, it was cold, and there was snow on the ground. The crew plowed the snow off the Gosselin's yard, SPRAY PAINTED THE GRASS GREEN, and brought in massive heaters because the kids were outside in the freezing cold without any coats.

He said Kate was totally in charge -- dictating precisely how long they were allowed to film (with no regard to the actual production people, maybe she was looking out for her kids but I doubt it), that she was bossing the TLC folks around and that she was consumed with power. He said she had TLC eating out of her hand and jumping to attention every time she blinked.

He said Mady & Cara are absolute sweethearts, and very well behaved. He also said it's obvious they just needed some attention -- that they got shoved aside by Jon & Kate.

He also said their house is COVERED with instructions from Kate to Jon. They are edited out of the show, but Kate is an extreme control freak, leaving Jon post-its on how to blow his own nose. He said at the time he wondered what kind of marriage is that?

He said the crew found out Kate's favorite wine and brought her a case of wine. He also found out she loved Whole Foods, but there is no Whole Foods near the Gosselins, so someone bought Kate hundreds of dollars of food from Whole Foods. He had heard Kate was a real piece of work, so he brought some goodies to feed the monster. He said by the end of the day he won Kate over, but she was a PILL and that is being nice.

He also said Kate was scheming the vow renewal in Hawaii, but she & Jon were barely on speaking terms. That whole scene in the opener when they're sitting at the kitchen table and Kate is chewing and shaking her head, he said Kate was LIVID at Jon and there was a massive blow-up and they couldn't use any of the footage.

He said the crew couldn't wait to get out of there, that the woman is certifiably crazy.

He also said TLC made them sign a confidentiality agreement, but the show is over so he could care less. He said she will not survive with her own TLC show. She has nothing - ZERO - to offer. She has no talent, no intellect, no heart or soul.

GAmom said...

If the sole for Kate argument is that this is an EDITED TV show, then that is indisputable proof against her.

If TLC had evidence of her being a consistently loving, patient, attentive mother, or a caring, forgiving, and kind wife, don't you think they would show it? This show is (was) their cash cow and they have had plenty of opportunities to show Kate in a different light and save the show- if only they had the footage.

my9cats said...

Thank you Jake's mom for the post.
I have no reason to doubt anything that was told to you.

Everything Kate says and does verify's what your friend said.
Thanks for sharing this with GWOP.

my9cats said...

Sheeple:
"they are HER children, and she needs to care for them as she sees fit."

I guess Jon wasn't around for the impregnation of Kate.
Tell me Sheeple, did Kate use a turkey baster?

MickeyMcKean said...

"I came here to see what all the fuss was about, and I have to say, I don't understand why everyone is SOOO anti Kate."

It just so happens that last week I went over to the other site to see what the fuss was about, and I have to say, I don't understand why everyone is SOOO anti Jon!

The roses. OMG. After seeing Jon tell the world on a couple of interview shows that he wanted to apologize to Kate, and then to hear that he took roses to the arbitration where these two people had to work out their differences in the best interests of their children, IMO he took them as an apology, a sign of good faith.

But on the other site, no ifs ands or butts about it, Jon's roses were considered a publicity stunt. Period.

But since it was Kate who refused the roses, it was Kate that turned the roses into a publicity stunt. Yet all she had to do was to take them home and throw them away, or to give them to the kids telling them they were from their father. Instead she *used* the roses to her advantage.

Look, I'm not saying Jon was not discreet enough when he should have been and/or screwed up in hooking up with some questionable characters, but since Kate was the one who cut him loose, I do cut him a lot of slack in going wild after years of her abuse.

So whether or not Jon did or did not do X, Y, or Z, I don't care because at the end of the day he is old enough to be accountable for his own actions, and with the upcoming litigation it looks like he will be in more ways than one.

However, for Kate to continually throw the father of their children under the bus, and to have her words and actions forever on DVDs, it is Kate that is harming their children in the long run. She will never apologize to Jon for what she has done because IMO deep down she hates their father because he finally grew a pair and stood up to her.

ABC said...

Rose said....
"Again, though, the sheeple are not going to budge no matter what, so I say let them think what they want. Hopefully they will see the truth eventually, but if not...well, then, at least you can't say the truth was ever hidden from view. The show's footage will always be there.

12/02/2009 4:43 PM


Hang on to the original DVD's. You know, the ones where the horrors of Kate haven't been edited out? Maybe they'll be worth something someday. Maybe a whole dollar!

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry darling......but you are an idiot !!!!!

Melissa said...

Um... what.. what children is she talking about? They DON'T look unhappy or neglected???

Gee, I'd hate to see what they'd have to look like for her to think they WERE unhappy.

Those kids are ticking time bombs. I'm calling it.

Sheeple, when you see the light, I will happily accept your apologies in the form of chocolates and European vacations.

MickeyMcKean said...

Jake's mom said...
"He said Kate would not allow the crew to use her bathroom."

OMG I totally believe your entire post but this statement in particular because this very thought actually crossed my mind at one point. Seriously, if someone is as germophobic like Kate, would she really want other people to use their bathroom on a daily basis? NO WAY!

Jake's Mom, thank you for posting this information. I hope in time others will speak up too.

Sidney said...

BTW HMomofFour, Kate's change in attitude about her fans is out of pure desperation. She's trying to save a sinking ship, and wants the fans on her side (and against Jon). She could still give a rat's ass about the lot of you.

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Absolutely true!! She begrudgingly realized she had to ACT like she likes them or they MIGHT go away!

lisa k. said...

Mady may be doing what every other child of divorced parents does when she said..."I like Mommy better" She is only playing one parent against the other parent. Its normal. It doesn't mean she loves Kate more. It is not that Mady is a bad child for saying that...she is just saying it out of anger.

Jenny said...

I think everyone here has addressed the Kate Supporter better than I ever could. I would just add in short that Kate has not abused Jon only now & then, bitten his head off & demeaned & belittled him occasionally when she maybe lost her temper like what happens in a lot of normal marriages. No, with Kate the abuse and disrespect has been a constant attitude from the beginning...admittedly it got a lot worse over the last few months. We've all seen it. She constantly yelled at Jon and literally commanded him to do this and do that!

In addition, have you not seen how she has treated people who came to her house to help her, like the organizer ladies for example? How can someone not see that this is not just a now & then thing with Kate, talking down to people, treating them as if they're her hired servant. No, it's absolutely commonplace for her to treat people badly...like she is the star and they are there to serve her every wish.

And you mention how she appreciates her fans now...well for Heaven's sake, OF COURSE she says that now that she realizes they're the ones who are generating the $180 million every 3 months to TLC, of which Kate gets her cut. She needs those fans to keep her lifestyle going so yeah, pretty sure she has had a change of heart and appreciates them now that she realizes she needs them.

I've said it before so forgive me for repeating myself...but I've honestly & seriously tried to find things to like about Kate. If she were sweet and kind like Michelle Duggar for example, I would be thrilled she got a mansion of a house and is living a very wealthy lifestyle...I'd say, "you go girl!" because Mrs. Duggar treats her husband, children and everyone else with kindness and respect. Kate does not and that is why we all hate her BEHAVIOR.

She as a person is not beyond redemption...she can become a better person if she chooses to be...but I'm just not sure what it's going to take to get her to WANT to be a better person. Not asking for the moon here...just asking her to work up to "nice"...but it's going to take quite a bit for her to become even...well, just plain nice. You can adore her if you wish, we all are entitled to our opinions...but these are just some of the reasons why we don't care for Kate...it all has to do with attitude, nothing else.

Brummygirl said...

Jake's Mom.....
If this is true, I wish the contact would step up with anyone else not under contract now and dispel the myth of Kate Gosselin.
On A.B.C. tonight, they are advertising the "Ten Most Fascinating People of the Year" with Barbara Walters.
There was Kate with a done up hairdo, smiling to beat the band.
Barbara Walters is either not as discerning as she is supposed to be or using Kate as a tongue in cheek reference.
Either way, Kate would never get it, she thinks she is special and these stupid talk show hosts helping to perpetuate this image, need to be sentenced to a year in the hell house of Kate Gosselin.

Jenny said...

Jake's mom said...
"He said Kate would not allow the crew to use her bathroom."
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Wow! That is stunning! This is exactly what I meant in my last post as to how Kate treats people. If she didn't want to share a bathroom with the crew, maybe she could have designated ONE bathroom in the house to be used by them and by them alone... and then have TLC pay for someone to come in to clean it each day or week. Anyway, just one more reason that explains why most of us here who have watched the show from the BEGINNING, find it impossible to praise this self centered, self rightous woman.

Jane in California said...

"We get mad at each other and probably say things we shouldn't....EVERYBODY DOES."

I like how this person glosses over all the hurtful things Kate has said to Jon and to/about the children. Picking on Jon's weight, yelling at him for not using a coupon and talking to him in a very demeaning fashion, screaming at Colin for getting a speck of gum on his little lovey, actually slapping of Jon in the face on various occasions, talking Jon down in front of/to the children, as in "don't listen to Daddy, he's mean!", etc.

Dear Kate Fan - I think you are probably trying to justify your own poor behavior by insisting that "everyone does it." The truth is, decent people do not behave as Kate does. I hope you don't behave toward anyone, especially your loved ones, as Kate does. If you do, you ought to be ashamed of yourself!

I remember in my 20's, I read a book about relationships. I can't remember the author or the name, but I clearly remember one piece of good advice. The author cautioned about saying things in anger, just to hurt your partner and "win" a fight. He said these sorts of things may be glossed over but never truly forgotten, especially if it happens repeatedly. It's like a tiny drip of water on a rock. You think it just washes away, but if the drip continues, it eventually wears away at the rock. That's what these hurtful remarks and put downs do to a loving relationship -- it wears the love right out.

There will always be disagreements in any relationship. But the things Kate has said and done to Jon and those children -- never would I behave in such a fashion. Never. I would feel so much shame and disgust at myself should I do so. In fact, I'd think I was losing my mind and probably go see my doctor.

I really think those people who still swear that Kate is misjudged or just behaving naturally, are trying desperately to justify similar behavior in their own lives. Sorry folks, it ain't right and you know it as well as we do.

Jenny said...

Brummy's Girl said: Jake's Mom, If this is true, I wish the contact would step up with anyone else not under contract now and dispel the myth of Kate Gosselin.
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My guess is that crews and others who know what Kate is really like are scared to death of what TLC might do to them since they all likely signed a "non-disclosure" agreement (I THINK that's what it's called, not sure)...that if they share anything that happened within their employment period, they can be sued. I'm not a legal expert, just guessing here. But yeah, I agree that it's really odd that no one has had the courage to tell someone else who ISN'T bound by an agreement to come out and tell it like it really is. All I can think of is there might be some fear involved that TLC will somehow trace the breach of info back to them...and then TLC might do something horrendous to them financially. They probably look and see how they're treating Jon and just want to stay clear of the whole situation.

Jake's mom said...

Brummygirl, I don't know the terms of the confidentiality agreement the gentleman I spoke with signed, but Discovery Channel is one of his big clients. He does the branding, creative & filming for many of their shows. So he's not going to jeopardize a huge client relationship to squeal to the media that Kate is despicable.
His company name is in the credits on the J&K+8 show and he did say this summer when the divorce rumors were out of control, his office was overwhelmed with phone calls from the tabloids and his company didn't make any comments.

It all comes down to money. The almighty dollar. I'm certain that has everything to do with Barbara Walters' selection. Her people put that list together for ratings...the "shock & awe" factor. Trust me, Barbara had nothing to do with making that list.

Kate is such an idiot, she really thinks she landed a spot on that list due to her own merit.

Kate is Nasty said...

Kate wouldn't let the crew use the bathroom in the house but had 6 potties filled to the brim sitting there all day long. NASTY

dustilies said...

Thank you, Jake's Mom for posting this tale of horror.

Which rings totally true.

You had me at spray-painted grass. Why, why, why? I guess because the snow would show footprints on repeated takes? Did they respray after each take? But I digress.

Pretty much every sentence made my jaw drop further and further (not a pretty sight, LOL).

But the bathroom thing--when it was me, and a crew was coming to do anything (replace windows, fix disposal), I first clean the bathroom to make it hospitable. Crazy, huh?

And if I was being paid to the tune of 25,000, 12,500, even 100 for a day's work, I would happily mop up all the snow/mud tracks in the house and scrub down the bathroom a second time. Like, I'm making money off the deal?

And, y'know, I have been known to offer coffee and muffins in the winter and gatorade in the summer to anyone working on my house. I must have this all wrong.

PS: I also feed babysitters. Do you guys need to stage an intervention?

Really, Kate's attitude just chaps my ass.

Brummygirl said...

Jakes Mom:
Yes, I understand their reluctance in view of T.L.C.'s power. I did not realise the contact was actually affiliated in any way, but is this not the way of the world, everyone sidestepping the truth to protect their own interests? I would have thought Kate's wrath something to be feared too. I was just hoping that someone out there would step up. One can hope.
As far as Barbara Walters is concerned, I would think she has more input than most on whom she interviews. I agree, it is all for awe factor, hence my tongue in cheek reference.

GoPoshGo said...

Jake's mom said...
He said she will not survive with her own TLC show. She has nothing -ZERO - to offer. She has no talent, no intellect, no heart or soul.

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Okay, so my take-away from Jake's mom's recount of an eye-witness' experience of Kate is: We've been right about Kate all along. The last sentence of her post (above) sums up what we've all been saying for ages (or, at least for 5 seasons).

And Sheeple, you say???? .... I'm sorry, I just hear crickets chirping.

The Free Lunch Blogger said...

Wait a minute, when did Kate every admit that she was wrong? I've never once heard Kate say "I was wrong." She's said "I wish things were different" and "If Jon did as he was told, I would not have had to behave the way I did." She has never taken responsibility for anything, ever.

MickeyMcKean said...

Brummy's Girl said: ...
Jake's Mom, If this is true, I wish the contact would step up with anyone else not under contract now and dispel the myth of Kate Gosselin.

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We all might have to be a tad patient due to the more or less recent signed non disclosure agreements, especially since there is proof that if provoked TLC will file lawsuits.

However, I can think of 8 in general, and 2 in particular, that did not SIGN anything legally binding :)

That being said, I'm sure eventually they will write tell-all books if for no other reason than to get even with their mean Mommy Dearest :)

Kia Ora said...

I guess the sheeples are kinda getting bored. Not much news on the other side. Now maybe the're thinking twice (doubt it). The women has proven hereself time after time. there's nothing left to be said. Except her words "MINE ALL MINE".

Brummygirl said...

@MickeyMcKean.. here's hoping!! :)
Meanwhile someone will probably cook her own goose...organic of course!!

readerlady said...

Sheeple have swallowed, hook, line and sinker, that Jon never helped out. And yet, in one of the very earliest of episodes, it was established that JON - despite having a 2 hour round trip commute to a full time job - got up early and got the twins up, washed, brushed, fed, dressed and off to school; made Khate's coffee to her specifications and delivered it to her in bed; returned home from work and fed, bathed, brushed, hugged,kissed and tucked the tups in every night. Khate even, grudgingly, admitted this in the episode. Yet, he never did anything to help her. Also JON, with Khate's BIL, finished the attic and built & painted Mady and Cara's bedroom - despite frequent interruptions from Khate. JON, with Khate's brother Kevin - reorganized the garage - again with frequent interruptions from Khate. Most shows demonstrated JON's involvement with his kids - feeding, bathing, dressing, playing with and, yes, sometimes disciplining them - but he never does anything to help Khate. And every show had Khate berating, abusing, slapping, hitting and otherwise demeaning JON for not doing anything to help her. She even ordered him not to breathe. And yet JON is the one who is to blame for all this mess? NOT in MY book. Of course, he has had less than stellar moments. He's human. We all have things we'd rather not repeat or admit to. He's not a saint. But he admits to having screwed up and has asked frequently for forgiveness. Khate occasionally admits to a fault, but then finds every possible way to justify the offensive behavior and has NEVER said, "I'm sorry, please forgive me". That's why most of the people on GWOP do not like Khate. We may not like Jon much, either, but we see the injustice that has been done to him by Khate and we admit that he is by far the better parent to THEIR children (not HER children).

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

WELL THANKS!

I knew there was a story from someone on the crew and wondered how long I'd have to wait to verify our opinions of Khate. Many thanks for sharing.

ENT said...

He said Mady & Cara are absolute sweethearts, and very well behaved. He also said it's obvious they just needed some attention -- that they got shoved aside by Jon & Kate.
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I bet many of us picked up on this.

In early episodes ever notice how Maddy would seek out and attach herself to any female guest at home/person they met when they went out.

Mary said...

but the show is over so he could care less. He said she will not survive with her own TLC show. She has nothing - ZERO - to offer. She has no talent, no intellect, no heart or soul
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Yup we could have told you this too.
The reality (no pun intended) is thatt that kate has no actual skill or talents that can be used in a show.

Mary said...

The Free Lunch Blogger said...
Wait a minute, when did Kate every admit that she was wrong? I've never once heard Kate say "I was wrong." She's said "I wish things were different" and "If Jon did as he was told, I would not have had to behave the way I did." She has never taken responsibility for anything, ever.
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She had a fantastic opportunity when Jon suggested a small under the counter fridge for drinks.

goawayfools said...

Hard to believe anyone can watch JK8 and come away with the opinion that Kate is merely cranky sometimes, Jon behaved badly and the kids prefer their mom to their dad. Edited or not, I saw consistently egregious behavior on Kate's part, consistently and amazingly tolerant behavior on Jon's. The kids have an obvious love and affection for their dad and a detached, cold relationship with the mom/lion tamer. Is the sheeple who wrote this Kate herself, because her stance is inexplicable.

Get Real Sheeple said...

Kate did not admit guilt. She slammed Jon over and over. She went on to say that she is a "Single Mother" but Jon "Has Help". All the help Jon has she also has. I wish that just one sheeple go to the Gosselin house and offer to clean the home free of charge and walk to McDonalds to relieve themselves.

Sunday Rose said...

Thank you, Readerlady, for a beautifully written, meticaculously accurate post. Kate was unbearable! Jon did do it all, while Kate seemed to spend her time writing freakishly controlling post-it notes dictating her demands/directives, when she wasn't raging at Jon or the kids that is.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"He also said TLC made them sign a confidentiality agreement, but the show is over so he could care less."

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Depending on the wording of this agreement, he better watch his back. It doesn't matter if the show is over or not. They could take everything. I know someone in the entertainment industry who suffered this fate.

SharnaPax said...

She enslaved her children to make a living for her! And you condone this? Kate is still uber mom to you?

Those children never had a say. The parents signed their lives away, without consent. The children weren't paid. Kate made sure that, once the lawsuits set in, she scrambled to have a tiny bank account set aside for the children, all the while enjoying her spas and buying hooker heels.

Now we have videos of everything, from potty training to ... now, when those children feel entitled to everything. No "thank you", no "please", it is Aaden yelling "get me a napkin!" It is the little girls posing for the cameras (or the cameramen), which is nauseating. Entitlement, mine, I am cute, I am told everyone loves me. They have never had any social training at all.

Half of the 'tups need speech training. A couple perhaps should be held back for special education.

And this is all good? Kate is doing her best?

Let me tell you that if I knew the moment my children needed extra education, I was right there to see to it. I didn't gallivant all over the country, giving up their raising to nannies. I didn't write pretend books, with pictures and a bible scriptures, and toss it off as "I'm an author!"

Kate is a horrible mother. Horrible. I cringe at her.

Trust, Jon is no better. He did the same as her, neglecting their eight children.

They are so lucky to have children without extreme medical problems. And yet, they don't seem to care.

Please remember Kate's words (paraphrasing, but I will get the entire quote, if you want): Society provided fertility treatments, therefore society should pay for my children.

Yeah, what a great mother. A great person. Yeah, someone I'd want to know.

Ella's Mum said...

To Readerlady

You forgot to mention when she told him to "stop bleeding so much"

Great post BTW

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Sure...I'll deal with this:

HI KATE!! :D

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Let me add that it was so refreshing this Monday, NOT to have to run into Kate and Kate Plus Kate on TLC. Life is good!

Brummygirl said...

I went over and read the Baby Mama site. What a revelation (not). Apparently they call us Trolls and weirdos and in B.M.'s words.....
"ACK! Blame it on the trolls, when I see a troll name we automatically delete it". So they know everyone's names on here?
Obviously, they are not as accommodating as our moderators in giving someone their voice.
It is pathetic how they are mourning the loss of their Monday night icon. One poster said that at least they get to see Kate on the Barbara Walters' show, which tells me it is not the kids they miss but Kate....ooooooh, I found that rather creepy and I hopped out of there quickly.

Hannah W. said...

Ok, I agree that Kate is not the greatest person in the world. However, I think people on here need to except that other people are going to have different opinions. It's like when a site that's "pro-Kate" deletes a comment or whatever then complain about it. Well what's the difference between that, and comments that say their opinion is crap or, stuff like, "hi kate". People are allowed to have different opinions. Sorry if I'm ranting, I just hate it when people complain about someone doing something then go and do it themselves.

Can't See Sheep said...

WOW Jake's mom, that was so disturbingly kate. A mile to go to the bathroom, what do you say to someone that nasty, that hasn't already been said a million times. What a disgusting piece of work this woman is. This selective germ phobia is annoying, there have been a number of times when she should have been bothered about things, brushing teeth in the kitchen leaps to mind, but it didn't seem to bother her at all. I'm pretty far from having a germ phobia (I have shovelled many a horse stall out in my day) & the brushing the teeth in the kitchen made me squirm something terrible.

Rose said...
"For example, she admits that fans used to irritate her, and now she realizes that she was being stupid, and appreciates what they do for her."
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This in itself proves how dim this woman is. How could you watch any TV & not realize that it's the fans that determines the life of a show? When an audience looses interest shows tend to stop & this goes back through a lot of TV history. Happy Days jumped the shark, the audience left in droves & it went off the air. All this points out to me is how stupid she is. I mean if there are no fans who will purchase her books so she can have all the cash she loves so much. She did the love offering's thing, she had to see it was those people handing over their hard earned money & not the money fairy visiting her bank account. Good glory this woman is stupid. Oh no kate, TLC loves you so much they'll just keep filming you & playing your show on & on because they love you so much. They're not worried about anything as insignificant as viewers who buy from their sponsors, or buy the DVDS or anything like that at all. Idiot!

Pa Mom Knows said...

"The bottom line is that people here assume they know her based on an EDITED TV show."

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Not true. Not everyone ASSUMES they know her. There are some who actually do (personally) and the opinion is the same. THAT'S the bottom line.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"They are so lucky to have children without extreme medical problems. And yet, they don't seem to care."

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This is so true. Kate lamented over the fact that Aaden wasn't normal because he needed glasses. She expected normal kids. She's right there on tape admitting it. What would she do if she had a child such as the little Hayes girl who was born with cerebral palsy? Let the nannies raise the child?

Nova said...

Why would I hate Kate? She makes me look like the worlds best freakin' Mom ever! Every time I have not done the best thing for my kids due to ignorance, selfishness, laziness, anger, or because I didn't want to 'make waves', I have regretted it. The difference is that I have owned up to it with my kids. I've consistantly tried to explain why I did what I did, and have told them I regretted it. I have asked for forgiveness and tried to earn it by continuing to try to be the best mom I could be. I also beg them to learn from my mistakes, instead of repeating them.

I'm no angel, or a perfect mother, but my kids all tell me that they know I love them, and hope that when they have kids, we live close enough so I can babysit. I have two kids in their 20's, and a teenager, and they love me, and want me to be an integral part of their lives, now and in the future. Who can ask for more than that?

God bless and protect the Gosselin 8

Nova

jill said...

Don't get me wrong. I am neither a Jon nor a Kate fan. But, when it comes to Kate, I think we can be a little harsh. I am especially speaking of the early years. I had many children close together. It is beyond hard. It is so menatally straining, there are days when you are not sure if you can make it...as in just run away. ;) Now, I realize she let celebrity get the best of her, but I do believe she loves her children. Is she self absorbed...yes. But, I am not perfect, and in the beginning, I could see myself in her. Am I proud...no. But, unless you have been there, you have NO clue. I have been following this blog from the start. I agree with almost everything, but don't think for a minute that any of us, given her life, would be that much different.

As far as her and Jon...I am sure there was PLENTY we did not see. I am willing she had to beg him to grow-up and help everyday. We are seeing his true side, and quite frankly, if he is who he appears to be...I don't blame her for getting mad.

konhasyoufooled said...

She's...um..RUINED said...

Go away, Kate! You bilked the PA taxpayers out of how much money?? what about the churches, with your 'poor me' speech while purchasing a million dollar home?
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Oh I so agree with you! It is amazing that people actually fall for her crap isn't it? It is all going to blow up in her face just like it did Tiger. You can only get away with so much. She is a disgrace to motherhood, marriage, Church,etc.

She has made many many enemies along the way and I am telling you somebody is finally going to get to the bottom of it before long. Tiger couldn't pay his way out of his mess and he is a billionare. Why in the hell would Kate think she can get away with it forever. She actually believes all her own bullcrap and if she says it then it must be true. Look out Kate your days are numbered.

NoUse4Kate said...

I am going to take the unpopular side to Jake's Mom's comments. Personally I would never go on a public blog and air a personal conversation that I had with anyone involved with such a hot topic. Your conversation cannot be verified and it has the potential of someone losing huge contracts and employment for many, many people. TLC reads here, we know that, so you just put this man's livelihood in jeopardy in order to share some gossip.

Maybe I am a little touchy about this subject because we deal with the video industry and I would never post casual conversations I have had with the actors and actresses that I have had on a public blog. I dunno, the original post was interesting but I just became sick to my stomach knowing that if what was said is true, someone very well could lose their employment because of your post. It doesn't just affect his life, it affects many lives because there is a whole lot of other people involved.

SafetyTrain said...

Hmomof4....

So would you go handing out extensive footage of your kids being bathed, sitting on the potty, having meltdowns, or being reprimanded or complained about, to millions of strangers for money? Footage that the kids couldn't willingly give permission for because they were too young to understand the repercussions? Footage that they may become embarrassed about when they become adults but can never remove from public ownership? What would your life be like if your mother had done that to you? Would you trust her when you became an adult?

NoUse4Kate said...

BTW, if true, you just made the decision for him to come forward and that was not your decision to make. Sorry, I am ticked about that post.

she is evil said...

Dear Kate or whoever wrote this post: You wrote that Kate has her kids' best interests at heart. Uh, NO. And that is my problem with her/you. Children and passersby are willing to cut a nonperfect parent some slack if they really do seem to do right by their kids. Part of being a good mom, rather than just a caretaker/manager is putting the kids' needs and happiness first. I have never seen that from Kate. She always takes a 'tough shit' attitude with those kids and it's unnecessary.

Rose said...

The Free Lunch Blogger said...

"Wait a minute, when did Kate every admit that she was wrong? I've never once heard Kate say "I was wrong." She's said "I wish things were different" and "If Jon did as he was told, I would not have had to behave the way I did." She has never taken responsibility for anything, ever."
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That is another big thing that drives me absolutely insane about her. She is virtually incapable of saying "I was wrong." Period. Nothing else. At best, she will say, "I behaved badly there, BUT...I was stressed out" or "I should have done that differently, BUT...Jon should have done it the right way in the first place." There's always an excuse - always. Before the divorce, she played the "stressed out mom" card, and now she's chugging along with the "poor, put-upon single mom" sob fest.

When the kids act out and are not doing well several years down the road, who do you think she's gonna blame for it? Well, Jon, first and foremost, for ending the wonderful show, and she will say that the kids "never quite recovered from that". It will all be on Jon. As long as she lives, she will not take responsibility for herself.

Tami said...

Sheeple, just imagine how many times the kids made horrible comments about and to Kate that were edited out! Enough said.

kateisnotfit said...

I remember when Kate humiliated Jon when they were at an amusement park--he had to go to the restroom and she asked "NOW?" because it wasn't convenient for her--also, she asked him if he washed his hands! On national TV. She was always undercutting him, even when she was supposedly giving him credit for things, too.
Kate is more like the manager or CEO of a company who takes credit for everything because they do all of the "planning" while others do all the actual work.
As for raising "HER" children as she "sees fit"--as someone else mentioned, they are someone else's children as well, and HE also has a say. Children are not property--they are human beings.
In some poor, third world countries, children are sometimes sold into prositution, slavery, or marriage because that's what is "normal" in their culture--or it's what their parents needed to do to earn money, or what their parents "saw fit." Doesn't make it less reprehensible.

Shari said...

First let me congratulate you on the ability to type a coherent thought with appropriate spelling and punctuation. (That rules out Khate.)

As much as we might disagree, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm just not sure we're all watching the same show. I can't get through 5 minutes of any of their episodes without it becoming painfully obvious what a narcissist she is and the 'best interest' of her children is at the bottom of her priority list. Not to mention the ever growing list of people who have 'wronged' her. That's not an emotionally stable mentality. I could go on but I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine.

So to finish on the positive, once again I'm relieved to know a Sheeple exists who can form and articulate sentences. Therefore, all hope is not lost.

Vanessa said...

Those are the stories that have to come out! Not the struggling financially BS, not the "What is she wearing?", not taking off the ring...Why is she never called out on her atrocious behaviour? We need more of these examples and I'm positive there are LOTS of them! Jon I'm sure has a load full of stuff, but I hope he keeps it to himself, we need to hear from people who were behind the scenes from the very beginning, even BEFORE the tups were born.
She's been able to fly under the radar for far too long.

PA Woman said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
I just have one question: What goes on in the life of the sheeple that they are so blind that they can't see the forest for the trees? In what socio-economic group do they belong that they believe Kate is someone to whom they can look up -- is this how they live their lives, or how they WANT to live their lives, the latter of which is even more frightening?

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Good questions. What I don't understand is, let's say that you bought all along that Kate is a good Mother. The, Kate goes on the Today Show and talks about Jon taking all their money. Crying, but turns around and talks about getting a new ring. I'm sorry, but no A-, B-, C-, or D-class "celebritry" has ever done something like that. It is totally inappropriate.

Later she says the kids were disappointed that they couldn't go to the Statue of Liberty to film. Well, HELLO, if the kids indeed came first, Kate would have taken the kids to the Statue of Liberty without the cameras or stayed home with them. Instead, she leaves them with a sitter so she can cry about Jon and her finances on the Today show, and go to a party later that evening.

After this whole incident I fail to understand how anyone could have even a little respect for this woman even if they bought her act up to this point. She has no class.

Jake's mom said...

Someone mentioned the crew dragging snow & mud into the house...the gentleman I spoke with said Kate made the crew wear booties. We've already seen that with some of the TLC camera/sound crew.

Also, he was very interested to hear my story, that I watched from the beginning and was initially taken by the family -- the kids are so cute and there was that "wow" factor of 8 kids. But eventually I couldn't come home from a long day at work and watch Kate berate Jon. That's not entertainment. I got turned off and ultimately it was my husband who asked me to stop watching because he didn't like the way Kate spoke to Jon. The production gentleman I spoke with yesterday told me my husband is dead on. Kate WAS THAT AWFUL to Jon in real life and as much as she said the show is edited and "drama sells," it's all b.s. She's as bad as she was portrayed on tv, and maybe even worse.

I also told him in the beginning, it seemed innocent enough, but then at a certain point, I felt like a peeping tom and I was just uncomfortable watching the kids. They need their privacy. He's a father and agreed with me 100%. I further told him that I couldn't stand to watch Kate cry big crocodile tears on the "Today" show, but flirt with the camera on her own show. I thought, "Who is this person?" He said she's exactly like that: a monster when the camera is off; sickeningly sweet when the camera is on.

SHEEPLE, ARE YOU LISTENING?! Your precious Kate is a farce. Believe it!

Regarding his confidentiality agreement, it's possible its effective for 10 years or something like that. He spoke to me off the record. I mentioned the tabloids were calling his office this summer during Jon & Kate's media frenzy, but he wouldn't go on record saying anything. He does a ton of business for Discovery Channel and he needs to protect his own business.

For what it's worth to the bloggers, I've already shared this info with some respectable people I know in the media who have been following the Jon & Kate story. I told them if they'd be interested in interviewing the gentleman I spoke with, that I'd give him their contact info. I don't know if he'll talk, but the offer is there.

Please! said...

Good grief. With Jill's post we have yet another sweeping assumption that ALL OF US would act, react just like Kate. Once again, by throwing everyone into an all-inclusive melting pot you have just normalized your own feelings/situation. Once again we have a grand generalization from a sheeple making it all o.k. Hey, don't speak for me. Don't speak for my sister who also raised a large family one right after the other (without any outside help). I'm bored with trying to explain it to you, but let's just say (again ) that, no, we don't all act the way Kate does (or did) with our children our husbands or our life in general. Get a clue!

MickeyMcKean said...

To: Jake's Mom

Once again I appreciate that you shared some information that you came across due to your job; it is always nice to find validation that what we all suspected was true was indeed fact.

But I also agree with NoUse4Kate. You not only gave us the information you obtained but perhaps more than enough information to determine the identity of your contact person. It may have been one thing for you to have a very open conversation with him off the record, but now the contents of that conversation is "out there" and even I wonder if he knew that you would post his comments.

I hope that now that the show is over, and with interest in Jon and Kate in other future things/gigs are grinding to a halt because their 15 minutes are up because it really was all about the 8 kids, perhaps there is no real harm done and TLC will not pursue this contact person for violating a non-disclosure agreement.

Im_in_PR said...

Later she says the kids were disappointed that they couldn't go to the Statue of Liberty to film. Well, HELLO, if the kids indeed came first, Kate would have taken the kids to the Statue of Liberty without the cameras or stayed home with them. Instead, she leaves them with a sitter so she can cry about Jon and her finances on the Today show, and go to a party later that evening.

She sure was happy to spend that weekend in NYC with Steve complaining about how the kids couldn't come since TLC wasn't filming them..........

No excuses for Kate said...

Jill said:

"But,unless you have been there,you have NO clue. But don't think for a minute that any of us,given her life,would be that much different.
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No excuses for Kate's behavior!I have four children of my own and when they were small I ran a licensed day care in my home.Most days there were a total of 8 children. Not once did I lay a sick child on the floor.Even the child that was not my own got to lay on my bed with a soft quilt. Not once did I turn off the light while a little one was on the potty. Not once I read a magazine article while a child was constipated. When my husband came home he was greeted with a huge hug and a kiss. Yes I had my bad days but I did NOT take it out on a small child and I in fact was able to vent to my husband about any frustrations that I may have had. More importantly I didn't have camera's following us around all day long. Yes I have been there and the people around me were not treated like Kate treated her own kids and husband.

NO EXCUSES FOR KATE!

dr lillian glass said...

Please Google Dr. Lillian Glass and read the assessment for yourself.
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I don't get why people take everything this lady says like its scripture. She's just someone trying to make a buck... these "body language experts" show up on news magazines all the time trying to spin stories about celebs. Gimme a break. I'm not saying body language is irrelavent, but I think we are giving this lady credit for stuff we can see with our own two eyes.

rural mom said...

The only way Kate can succeed on tv is if she has Bill Gedde for a boss, a team of View-like cohosts to carry the show and cover up her dumbness, and a network so enamoured with her they don't care about her ratings factor. It is the only explanation for why Elizabeth Hasselbeck has lasted this long on tv!

Kat said...

Jill? You said "...quite frankly, if he is who he appears to be...I don't blame her for getting mad."

Uh, then WHY DID SHE MARRY HIM AND DELIBERATELY HAVE *EIGHT* CHILDREN WITH HIM??!!

Jon, for all his faults, has always been who he was at 22, when they met. He has said he had no intention of getting married back then. Kate has said she saw him and "knew" she would marry him. So Kate got what she wanted.

Jake's mom said...

NoUse4Kate, you make an excellent point and it's certainly not my intention to cause ill will, damage, loss of employment & the like towards anyone. I'm not in the entertainment industry and don't have the same sensitivity as you. No red flags went off when I blogged last night. However, in retrospect, after reading your comments, I agree - maybe I shouldn't have disclosed the conversation. I was simply eager to share behind the scenes comments about Kate (especially the fact that she made the crew walk to McD's to use the restroom, just unreal) with the bloggers.

I will add that the gentleman I met freely gave me his opinion. It was unsolicited and I had just met him. So I was - still am - a stranger to him and who knows who else he's talking to. And not once did he say, "Don't tell anyone, but..." He told me what Kate was like behind the scenes, and with zero stipulations.

N.E. Psychologist said...

MickeyMcKean said……

I hope that now that the show is over, and with interest in Jon and Kate in other future things/gigs are grinding to a halt because their 15 minutes are up because it really was all about the 8 kids, perhaps there is no real harm done and TLC will not pursue this contact person for violating a non-disclosure agreement.

I have to agree with you, Bummeygirl and NoUseforKate about the disclosure issue. And given TLC’s ruthless pursuit of Jon I can’t imagine they show mercy to anyone - except Kate.
This raises another question – if these claims are true, doesn’t it appear that TLC was mistreating their employees on Khate’s whim? WTH ???????

my9cats said...

dr lillian glass said...

Please Google Dr. Lillian Glass and read the assessment for yourself.
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I don't get why people take everything this lady says like its scripture. She's just someone trying to make a buck... these "body language experts" show up on news magazines all the time trying to spin stories about celebs. Gimme a break. I'm not saying body language is irrelavent, but I think we are giving this lady credit for stuff we can see with our own two eyes.
12/03/2009 11:51 AM


ITA. Unless she hired a editor and proofreader the past week, I find it difficult to accept what she says as her blogs appear to be written by a functional illiterate.
If you claim to be a professional and wish to be taken seriously, please write like one. Dr Lil' is worthy of research.

my9cats said...

Brummy girl said...
"Exactly, I posted as much last night about it already being a breach, but it did not go through. Not only are T.L.C. watching, but after going over to B.M.'s site last night, they even have our names ready to delete posts.
Remember the saying "loose lips sink ships!"

12/03/2009 10:13 AM


Maybe TLC should change its name to KGB.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Dear Sheeple,

These are some of the things that I would like for you to experience:

For your husband/wife boyfriend/girlfriend or partner to slap you on your cheek,leg and shoulder and call it a "Love Tap"

Yell,berate,belittle,chastise and scold you not only in private but in front of family,your children and in public.

Then listen as your partner tries to justify his/her actions.

Tease you about your weight and how your breath.

Abuse comes in many forms. More often then not the abuser tries to justify their actions and blame the victim rather then look within.
They try and project the blame onto others thus avoid self reflection.

Sheeple there are none so blind as he/she who will not see.

MickeyMcKean said...

Brummygirl said...
"...Not only are T.L.C. watching, but after going over to B.M.'s site last night, they even have our names ready to delete posts."

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You must mean our aliases, not our real names.

In case there is a fear that B.M. knows who you are, I think it is important for everyone to know that administrators cannot determine your real name just because you are posting on a blog. The administrator might be able to get the email address that goes along with the alias, and they probably could determine what area of the country you are posting from due to the IP address you are using but still that takes some work and they would need motivation to look up the information in the first place. Your personal information is not accessible.

But seriously, who cares what our real name is behind the alias?

This is a free country and we are entitled to our opinions even when we agree to disagree about a family in Pennsylvania that 99.99999% of us bloggers will never ever meet in person.

Besides, the show is officially over and 1 year from now I bet it will be Kate Who? Jon Who? What is a Gosselin?

kalyse86 said...

"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

Didn't your hear Mady say "Mommy, you're mean"? She defintely said that in one episode (I forgot which one). So if you're relying on the comments that Mady has made to determine that Kate is a better parent which is why they prefer doing things with her over Jon well then you might want to go back and watch the episodes again. Mady has certainly made negative comments about Kate and said things like she "wishes Daddy was here", etc.

Can't See Sheep said...

Anonymous said:
On another note, I am sick of sheeple constantly saying that EVERYONE treats their spouses the way Kate does, or EVERYONE this or EVERYONE that.
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It's a narcissists trait. I have had long & heated arguments with the narcissists in my family, they think because they do something one way then everyone (not some of the people, EVERYONE, it's always everyone & the moment you try to diminish that number you have a fight on your hands) does it that way & well, no, everyone does not have the same thought process, everyone DOES NOT THINK ALIKE!!! Everyone does not play favourites, everyone does not alienate half of their children, everyone does disrespect their husband, everyone does not want a boob job, everyone would not exploit their children & everyone does not want a damn possum on their head. It's too long a list to list everything everyone would not do.

Yes this drives me up the wall & smacks of immaturity. People who mature (mentally & emotionally) do tend to realize not everyone in the world thinks alike or would make the same choices in life that they would. Look at the posters on here, they know not everyone is going to agree with everything they say. Of course not everyone would jump at having a show like kate, some of us have things like foresight & common sense. What's the saying, if everyone jumped off a bridge would you jump off too?

I think that's what bothers me about the sheeple, the one's I've encountered, it's like arguing with spoiled children, logic & common sense are chucked out the window. The one's I've run into always result to name calling when cornered, or the ever popular poorly spelt 'u r jellus'. None of the arguments are well thought out, it's clear that they're being directed by pure emotion. I'm sure they think kate would treat them wonderfully if they went to work for her, which is pretty far from reality if they forget to dust behind the books.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that many of kate's hard core followers were narcissists who have the same behaviour she does & use her to validate their own actions. Oh look, she's on TV doing it therefore it must be okay. Oh she does this & look at all the people who are her fans, see it is okay. I don't get how any of it makes it okay, bad behaviour is bad behaviour no matter who's doing it, where it's being done or whether or not someone's there to see it, it's still bad behaviour.

anotherthing... said...

Glad It's Over at 12/2/2009 1:44pm

Ohio Buckeye at 12/2/2009 at 2:41pm

FANTASTIC posts!!!! Very good points and well written. Deff a must read. :)


and simply:

" Moo said...
You say we hate Kate based on some edited footage.

How can you love Kate based on some edited footage?

12/02/2009 3:26 PM"


You guys said it all. I hope this sheeple will at least 'hear us out'. Id really like to hear the answers to the questions you guys raised, too. In all honesty.

Id also like to add... I wonder how long it will be before we hear of some giant story breaking about j or k....

we all know k cant survive without her 'media frenzy' and with out the paid-fake-TLC-paps there to pacify her, shes gonna lose her sh- ...cool. I give it another 48-72 hours.

Carrin said...

kalyse86 said...
"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

Didn't your hear Mady say "Mommy, you're mean"? She defintely said that in one episode (I forgot which one). So if you're relying on the comments that Mady has made to determine that Kate is a better parent which is why they prefer doing things with her over Jon well then you might want to go back and watch the episodes again. Mady has certainly made negative comments about Kate and said things like she "wishes Daddy was here", etc.

12/03/2009 2:15 PM
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When the family was being filmed at some studio, sorry can't remember much of it, but someone asked Mady about her mother and Mady said she "liked Daddy more."

Kids that are hurting TRY to hurt others. Mady WANTS to hurt Jon AND Kate. They are the parents that have caused so much unhappiness, embarrassment, and turmoil, so Mady does what kids do. She is trying to hurt them both. She wants them to know how that feels.

Brummygirl said...

You must mean our aliases, not our real names.
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Of course I mean our blog names. Not for one moment do I think they know our real identities.

she is evil said...

Kate is a scary, awful, emotionally and physically abusive, neglectful, embarrassing excuse for a mother, momof4. Do you think the people on this blog want to hate her? Or that we envy her? Seriously, I love my children, but had two for a reason. No amount of money or fame would make me want 8 kids, especially so close in age. I think people on this blog criticize Kate because she is THAT BAD of a mother and wife. An abusive killjoy who has never admitted fault and never put her kids' or husband's needs, wishes, or feelings first. If you could give us an example of Kate putting her children first, I'm open to listen to your side. The only thing I've seen that did not directly benefit Kate directly was putting those kids in an expensive private school. Can you think of anything else selfless that she's done? If not, you may want to reconsider your admiration for her.

GoPoshGo said...

jill said...
I had many children close together. It is beyond hard. It is so menatally straining, there are days when you are not sure if you can make it...[snipped] But, unless you have been there, you have NO clue. ... [snipped].
... don't think for a minute that any of us, given her life, would be that much different.

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Every single one of us has stress and stressors in our lives. Having a gaggle of kids is just one variety -- and certainly doesn't merit a special pass from accountability for poor behavior. I think dismissing Kate's treatment of her husband, children, friends, and family with the "she's so stressed with so many kids" excuse has really worn itself thin.

No, I don't have eight kids, but I would bet my level of stress has been equal to, or more than, Kate's at times: Three young children, husband deployed to Iraq twice, 4 household moves in the past 5 years (including one international move that involved getting 2 cats and 2 dogs back into the States), lack of a support system because we move so much and rarely live near family or friends, etc. etc. I have no doubt that other bloggers have their own stress-lists as well. Do we use them as an excuse to abuse our families? No. I respectfully disagree with your last statement and will argue that most of us would NEVER act like Kate, no matter our stress levels.

Funny, in all of our moves, I always make sure either to pack my kids' favorite toys in their suitcases, or mail them ahead if we know where we'll be living. I unpack their things first, set up their rooms first (despite my insane desire to do the kitchen first) so that they'll have a sense of consistency. Does this make me the mother-of-the-year? Hardly. But it's what real mothers do. I guess Kate was too stressed out to even remember that her kids' favorite toys were still boxed in the basement nine months after the move to the McOrphanage. Thank goodness for the professional organizers, or those boxes would still be collecting dust.

Oh, gross -- I just realized I self-interviewed twice in this post. I need to go detox.

Give Me A Break said...

Sheeple - One question: Would you leave 8 sick children overnight with your brother and sister-in-law so that your husband could get free hairplugs?
Now remember, Jodi and Kevin also have children so they were watching more than the 8 sick ones. Also remember that hairplugs are not emergency surgery. What mother or father would do such a thing? What is more important - free trip to get free hairplugs, or taking care of your own sick children?

LisaNH said...

I agree with a number of posters who state that they never speak to their husband's the way Kate spoke to Jon.

To the Sheeple out there, if you want a healthy, happy marriage then you do not take your spouse for granted and treat them the way Kate treated Jon.

I have been married for 5 years but we've been together for 10. At no time have either one of us spoke to each other in a harsh tone or taken the other for granted. Why? Because we both had bad marriages before and when we met and started dating we realized how great the other person one. We still maintain that bond to this day. Having both experienced the "Dark Side" of an unstable and mean spouse, we appreciate and cherish what we have together. We are spouses, but we are also best friens. We enjoy each other and we support each other.

As for people giving Kate a break because she has eight kids, well, that would be a valid point if it were not for the fact that this woman has not lifted a finger since those babies were born. She had people folding her laundry, maybe doing it too, ironing for her, she had Jon get up early to take care of the kids and bring her coffee before he went to work. She had tons of volunteers to help her out, more than the average parent. And yet she showed not an ounce of gratitude for all the time and effort put forth on their behalf.

Why would anyone admire this woman?

Jake's mom said...

Mickey McKean, I agree that the gentleman I spoke with did not think that I would publicize the information he shared with me.

HOWEVER, he did not know me. He did not know that I've been on this blog daily for a year & a half or so. We met at a trade show, I was asking him about his work, he showed me some samples, the J&K material appeared, I asked him about that project and THE FLOODGATES OPENED. Talk about loose lips, this guy's tongue was like Niagara Falls. He was BRAGGING about the spray painted grass and the Whole Foods and the case of wine and the whole bit.

I'm in Sales and let me tell you, my relationships with my clients are sacrosanct. I would never, ever disclose confidential information about my clients. If this guy values his relationship with his clients, he should be a little bit more judicial in how much he shares with complete strangers.

Furthermore, as a business owner, he is responsible for his own actions and if that leads to - God forbid - any type of loss of revenue or downsizing, he is the one who is responsible for any type of undoing.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Go Posh Go: EXCELLENT post (as always!). And I'm guessing neither would you ever even consider telling your child that if (s)he loses his stuffed animal or blanket during the trip, he's just going to have to deal with it, since it's not your concern that he have it. I remember my jaw dropping (yet again) when I heard Katan (love that, whoever penned that one!) tell one of the boys this when they were getting ready to travel (Utah maybe?). The woman is certifiable.

REALLY sorry about the deployments - please thank your hubby for us all and thanks to you, too, for the sacrifices made for life in the military. Peace and health to you and your family, Posh.

anotherthing... said...

"...Kate loves those kids and has their best interests at heart. You might not agree with her, but they are HER children, and she needs to care for them as she sees fit. They sure don't look unhappy or neglected!!"
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(Okay. So many great posters have already said what I would say and most everything has been addressed. But I just... I am astounded by this post. lol I know Ive already responded once. I know. But~ WOW! Okay.)

"Kate has their best interest at heart"

This one baffles me. She does not parent them or teach them. She does not corect them when 'their projects' provide perfect timing and reason, example: kitten in the last epi. Kate could have taught the kids that baby animals are especially fragile and sensitive. She could have taught them so much. But didnt.

She does not correct their speech, interactions with eachother or other people. She does not interact with them as normal parents do their children.

'a childs best interests' for most parents are health, education and social skills (preparing them for their future). And Kate fails at teaching them anything about any of those topics even when the perfect opportunity arrises.


"she needs to care for them..."

Kate does not care for the kids. She has a chef. A few nannies. Im sure a cleaning staff, like her 'organizers'. All paid for by TLC... till recently. Kate did not do what moms do to look after their kids.

She said herself, as did Jon, that HE did the majority of the work (see other comments on the post for detail) so, since Kate refuses to do this work, someone else must now that Jon is out of the picute. And I highly doubt it is Kate.

Just because you associate certain tasks/duties with being a mom does not mean that Kate is responsible for the same.

"They sure dont look unhappy or neglected..."

What show have you been watching? Unhappy children act out just as these kids have been. A 'hands-on' mom would notice this and ask thier child how they feel. Kate ignores it. The hitting, yelling, headachs, fighting, etc.... its all about being unhappy.

As far as 'neglected'.... how exactly do emotionally neglected children look? How do ignored, used, forgotten and exploited children look exactly?

If some sicko came to look in a childs playroom window for 1/2 hour for a day and gave the mom a handfull of cash to do so.... would that be ok????

Would that child look particularly neglected in comparison to others?

readerlady said...

@ she is evil

I disagree that putting the kids in an expensive private school doesn't benefit Khate. She did it, not because of the educational benefits, but because it gives her the opportunity to rub elbows with people she considers the socially elite, and therefore worthy of her recognition. Also, because it was free (at least for the twins. Don't know if it still is). She's such a snob that she thinks being able to say "MY children go to XYZ School" makes her superior.

Betty said...

I have to agree that Kate doesn't know stress. Try truly bringing up your children on your own with a very absent spouse who never takes them for more than four hours once in awhile, working full time, with a chronic potentially fatal disease and trying not to let that hurt your children or keep from normal activities.

I would have taken being healthy with eight with help and a spouse who is willing to take the kids for days at time any day of the week.

Can't See Sheep said...

LisaNH said...
Why would anyone admire this woman?
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Low standards!

Think about it, all the REAL heros out there that you can admire & you pick kate. There are so many people who have done such great things & yet these people pick kate.

A woman who has only ever done things to further her own career (lol!, sorry, couldn't keep a straight face). That's a lot like getting the booby prize at a talent show & no, I'm not referring to katie's implants. The only shining example she is, is how to NOT to treat your husband & children, how to alienate your family & friends, how to have at least half of the population of the free world despise the sight of you, how to steal from church folk.

You're not aiming too high in life if kate's your ideal or hero.

bedonenow said...

You need glasses Kate. Your kids do indeed look miserable and neglected. I am sorry for whatever childhood traumas caused you to be so unkind, uncaring, angry and self-centered, but punishing your children for it wont make you all better.

Go away.

Ohio Buckeye said...

@Betty: I'm with you on this one, sista'!

Each time I hear that whining sound again, with Kate playing victim about being a single mom, I'm aware of REAL single moms who get nothing from their former spouse but a late child support check and a hard time. They are left to explain in the kindest, most diplomatic way possible to hurting children why 'daddy' treats his own children so poorly.

I enjoy pondering the concept of re-incarnation and I vote Kate comes back in another life and finds herself married to a Kate Gosselin spouse. Yeah, that thought always brings me a chuckle.

Good luck with your health. Hang in.

MickeyMcKean said...

To: Jake's Mom

Thank you for clarifying how the information was given to you.

I agree, to be at a trade show and to talk to a virtual stranger without knowing who they were talking to and what they may or may not do with said information would be a mistake ... his.

You were not the one who opened the floodgates. He did.

Still, with the show now ended and Jon saying no to future filming of the kids, I think that this is all water under the bridge.

Besides, the truth about behind the scenes will start to filter out. Your contact guy is just one of many people with horror stories; he was just the first one to talk to someone on this blog. :)


To: Brummy Girl

I was sure you were talking about the aliases and not real names.

However, I posted what I did because I know that not all people are computer/Internet savy and therefore there may have been one blogger that was worried and did not need to be.

ErinKate said...

Jakes Mom: I guess the "Imperfect Women" bloggers are really bored due to the loss of Kate (and their only outlets) so they have taken to trashing your comments. You should check them out.

she is evil said...

Readerlady, yes I do agree with the snob appeal of the private school but still was shocked Kate would shell out the dough for it. Did the twins really get a free ride? If so, then she has truly done NOTHING I can think of that doesn't benefit her first and foremost. However, even if she and Jon do pay tuition for all those kids, gotta agree with you that it does benefit Kate's sense of self-importance

Miss said...

Kate does not take time to teach or help her children in a crisis. Take Collin for example when he bonked his head on a pillar. She pawned him off to Jon.

When Aaden was telling his Mom that his foot hurt him she told a 5 YEAR OLD to act like a MAN.

goawayfools said...

jill, you are cutting Kate too much slack. She has preyed upon people's goodwill since the birth of those tups, hell, even before. If she couldn't deal with such a huge brood (many could not), then she should have thought about that before proceeding with Round 2 of fertility treatments knowing she'd refuse selective reduction. That being said, the tups are here after all, she still leaves much to be desired in the mothering dept. Yes, we'd all probably be basket cases and get snippy at times in her shoes. But what would you do after behaving in a way you weren't so proud of, especially with such young kids? Would you apologize, kiss and hug them and tell them you had a bad moment? Maybe tell them you were tired or lost your cool because they were yelling or drew on the wall or made a mess or whatever it was that set you off? Reassure them that normal mommy was back? We all could forgive a bad moment from Kate if she would ever show remorse. Most want to throttle her as she justifies ad nauseum why her behavior was acceptable. Actually, she usually doesn't even do that; often she continues to rant and blame and go on to bitch and scream about the next thing. Put it this way: would you let Kate babysit your kids even if you were exhausted and in need of some alone time? That woman would never be allowed near my children. Not that I'd ever have to worry about it; she'd be running in the opposite direction.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Kate does not take time to teach or help her children in a crisis. Take Collin for example when he bonked his head on a pillar. She pawned him off to Jon."

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Collin bumped his head in the airplane and she told him that God punishes those who don't behave. I wonder what deeds she did that God punished HER by taking the show off the air?

Don'tNeedFoobs said...

kalyse86 said...
"Didn't anyone hear Mady say they like doing things with Mommy better?"

Actually Mady did not say that. Refer to my earlier post: She said "I like THINGS we do with Mommy better." Big difference!

GoPoshGo said...

Betty said...
I have to agree that Kate doesn't know stress. Try truly bringing up your children on your own with a very absent spouse who never takes them for more than four hours once in awhile, working full time, with a chronic potentially fatal disease and trying not to let that hurt your children or keep from normal activities.

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Betty -- you sound like a truly devoted mom, and one who likely puts Kate to shame. I'm not a religious woman in the conventional sense, but I'm sending out positive, loving thoughts to you and your kids for good health and continued happiness together. You clearly put your kids first, and they will benefit from such loving mothering no matter what. Your determination is no doubt an inspiration to them. Go Betty Go!!! :)

liz123 said...

I am sooo upset to learn my sister is also a sheeple

he was hotter said...

I've seen one person with Kate's exact haircut: a teenage boy at Disneyworld. I kid you not.

Avary said...

Kate is mean, dismissive, uncaring and uninvolved with her kids. There are so many examples in their show and in the reports of people who know her. She's NOT a good parent.

GoPoshGo said...

@Ohio Buckeye: Many thanks for the kind wishes. My hubby IS a national treasure to us, and we are very proud of his service. Won't clog the blog with too many details, but his work was overseeing reconstruction projects on Iraqi schools, maternity hospitals, etc. All CONSTRUCTIVE projects, so we're especially proud of his service there. [Makes it more palatable to me, given my feelings about this current occupation -- oops, I mean war -- but I digress].

That said, I have to reiterate that ALL of us have stresses in our lives that push us toward the edge. Nobody's life is perfect or without those moments when you want to run from the house screaming bloody murder (my twins almost drove me to such a moment this afternoon, as a matter of fact -- and all over the inability to share a toy police car).

What Kate seems to fail to realize is that, as a parent, you can't blame your kids for the frustrations in your life -- even when those frustrations are seemingly caused by your kids. As a parent you're responsible for your kids, good or bad. And, despite whatever stresses your family faces, it's your job as a parent to give your kids the best childhood possible. I don't have the official manual, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't recommend extended hours of sick time on a laundry room floor, or having your impacted bowels ignored.

Granted, I did not witness every moment of Kate's parenting over the past five seasons. But it frustrates me to no end when the Sheeple continue to argue that she is a model parent. From what I have witnessed on the show, Kate is nothing but a neglectful, abusive, self-centered sorry excuse of a mother.

Guess I'll just have to wait for the tell-all book -- I'm predicting by Mady -- for justification. I'm guessing SHE didn't have to sign a confidentiality agreement.....

Moira the first said...

My stylist called it the emo boy cut. LOL.

miarng_mom said...

Okay Sheeple, please don't make sweeping generalizations about what I would or wouldn't do, ok? Don't assume in the same circumstances I would turn into a hateful, insipid, embarassing excuse for a "wife and mother" and I won't assume that put in different circumstances you would be caring, patient, humble, forthright wives and mothers.
As for the "jellusy", I don't envy someone who most of the country dislikes and is sick of. Nor do I envy someone whose children are targets of posts that I have seen encouraging they all be waterboarded. (TMZ)

readerlady said...

@ she is evil

Early on, the twins were scholarship students at the school. I don't know if they still are, or if the G's pay full tuition for all the kids now. I think it was reported that a benefactor volunteered to pay for the twins' tuition shortly after the tups were born. Of course, since their financial status has changed so publicly, that may no longer apply.

Vanessa said...

Just like the Sheeple validate their behaviour with "Look, there's someone on TV JUST like me!" Kate validates her behaviour because of the Sheeple. They live their lives with blinders on.

AnneMarie said...

Moira the first said...
My stylist called it the emo boy cut. LOL.

12/03/2009 9:48 PM
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looks more like an EMU to me.

I put QVC on in the background as noise while I'm baking or cleaning, and there is one hostes that has the same haircut, same flap of annoynig hair, same fugly stripes. I find that I MUST turn the channel.

SKB516 said...

It seems that a major theme that runs through many of the sheeple posts is the focus on materialistic stuff = happiness. For example, here we have someone saying that the kids certainly LOOK happy, well taken care of, etc. I think there's this assumption for many of them that as long as the kids are being fed (even if it's only 1/4 sandwich), look like little dolls in their matchy matchy Gymboree outfits, go on expensive vacations, & live in a mansion, that MUST mean they are happy, well-adjusted kids who have all they need. Like K8 herself, their focus is on appearances & it doesn't go much deeper than that.

Suz said...

I just realized who also has a similar haircut to Kate...Christian Siriano from a season or two ago on Project Runway! Ferosh!

Really? said...

It's not just that Kate is a terrible mother, wife, and person that makes her the subject of so much discussion. There are plenty of bad moms out there, maybe some of them are on tv. What is amazing is that despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, a small but emphatic minority of sheeple regard her as a model mom. What's up with that? Do they really aspire to be like her? Seems like she's still struggling financially, although it's by her own doing. She's getting divorced from a man who most thought was a great husband and father until they separated. She is reviled and ridiculed by most of the world. And she has eight kids who are already scared of her and will grow up to hate her.

sugarjay said...

Seriously? Another excuse about editing? They can only edit what Kate gives them, she actually DID put her kid on the laundry room floor when he was sick, threaten to throw away the teddy bear, humiliate Jon regularly, exclude Joel from a project he wanted to do that FIVE other kids were allowed to (flag cake), laugh at Mady's teeth, TELEVISE Mady's exam about her teeth that she was embarrassed about, etc. I could go on and on about this. Please. Give me a break.

Also, Kate herself admits that she's done all those things. She excuses her bad behavior time and again and seems totally unapologetic about all of it. We have NEVER heard her say on the show of off that there were other factors at play or the show edits things. In fact she has said multiple times that her show is the realest reality show on television. You sheeple should stop blaming editing when Kate herself says that what you see on the show is real.

Seriously? said...

They don't seem unhappy? What show are you watching? Did Leah seem happy on that magazine cover where she was being spanked over blowing a whistle? Does Mady seem well adjusted or happy in general? These kids don't even get milk regularly because organic milk is "expensive" while Kate has an expensive car, regular cut and color appointments, a mcmansion, full time nanny, babysitters, yard people, housekeeper, and obviously has dabbled in plastic surgery IMO.

It's SAD that Mady says she likes doing the things Mommy does better, since TLC is obviously the one giving Kate better things to do and making Jon do boring stupid stuff around the house. But since you're asking, maybe you could explain why Kate herself said that when she took that trip alone with Mady the kid was whining that she wished her dad was there? And Mady has even said in interviews she likes her dad better.

You must treat your husband like a dog too if you consider Jon's "bad behavior" comparable to Kate's YEARS of badgering, bullying, harrassing, belittling, insulting and humiliating nonsense. I can't believe Jon lasted as long as he did with her. Jon is allowed to date whoever he wants and do as he pleases when he's not with his kids, that's what happens when you drive your husband to despise you.

notafan said...

Uh, then WHY DID SHE MARRY HIM AND DELIBERATELY HAVE *EIGHT* CHILDREN WITH HIM??!!

Jon, for all his faults, has always been who he was at 22, when they met. He has said he had no intention of getting married back then. Kate has said she saw him and "knew" she would marry him. So Kate got what she wanted.

Did she hog tie him and put a shotgun to his head? And please explain how one DELIBERATELY has eight children in the manner the G's did?

So wrong said...

notafan, it has been speculated in print that Kate misrepresented herself to her doctors, purposely had her ovaries overstimulated then did the deed with Jon with the goal being higher order multiples. She is said to have planned to become rich/famous/notorious by having such a large family after reading the McCaugheys book (they of the famous septuplets). Family members report that she carried that book around with her after reading it. Obtuse Kate was inspired by the freebies and acts of generosity extended to this family. Her ex-fiancé went on record as saying that Kate tried to talk him into pursuing high order multiples with her to become rich and famous. He got lucky and escaped. Kate did not hold a gun to jon's head, but he was not interested in having more kids after the twins. He relented to try for 'one more', and amazingly, rolled with the punches when *gasp* Kate got preggers with the litter. So sad. One day those tups will learn their conception was nothing more than a ridiculous, evil get rich quick scheme. If the account of Kate's getting preggers with multiples on purpose is false, she has certainly not tried to refute it directly,as most would if it weren't true. She often tried to change the subject after giving her standard line, "I wanted to see what it was like to have just one."

Pa Mom Knows said...

"These kids don't even get milk regularly because organic milk is "expensive" while Kate has an expensive car, regular cut and color appointments, a mcmansion, full time nanny, babysitters, yard people, housekeeper, and obviously has dabbled in plastic surgery IMO."

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I'm not sure why milk (or lack of it) has become such an issue, other than to point out that "it's expensive." Perhaps the children really aren't fond of milk...not all kids guzzle it with gusto. Moreoever, these kids are all in school and have the opportunity to drink milk every day with their lunches if they want it.

Just Curious said...

MickeyMcKean said...

To: Jake's Mom

Thank you for clarifying how the information was given to you.

I agree, to be at a trade show and to talk to a virtual stranger without knowing who they were talking to and what they may or may not do with said information would be a mistake ... his.

You were not the one who opened the floodgates. He did.

Still, with the show now ended and Jon saying no to future filming of the kids, I think that this is all water under the bridge.

Besides, the truth about behind the scenes will start to filter out. Your contact guy is just one of many people with horror stories; he was just the first one to talk to someone on this blog. :)

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How do you know that a) her "contact guy" is telling the truth and b) that there are many people with horror stories?

Pa Mom Knows said...

"It seems that a major theme that runs through many of the sheeple posts is the focus on materialistic stuff = happiness."

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So very true. Don't you think that speaks volumes about the sheeple's own lifestyle and what THEY are most concerned with? They look up to the ways of the rich and famous, dreaming of what life could be like for them. They've never known that lifestyle, and for them, it's the great American dream. Love for the family, and emotional nuturing and stability really don't enter into it. Is this the kind of society we have become, or are the sheeple in the minority? I hope the latter is true.

Suz said...

Just went over to BM site - first time. Wow. Basic grammar lessons needed.

I saw sentences like "I wonder what their talking about. I would be upset to."

Wow. My 2nd grader would get a fail for that.

kellyanna said...

I've enjoyed reading your blog for quite awhile, but have never posted. I used to enjoy watching the show just in the first season or so, but it quickly became apparent to me how the it was the "all about Kate" show.

For some unknown reason this show and Kate (especailly, although Jon as well), infuriates me. Usually I would turn the channel, and that would be it. But the sense of entitlement and that something is "owed" to her or her family drives me insane.

I love big families, infact have one myself. I have had 5 children in 6 years, including a set of twins initially. It is crazy busy and stressful somedays, but it is a lot of fun! She never seems to enjoy the children. When there are those days that I feel like I'm going to pull my hair out, I step back, take a break (whether it's a short shower, etc).
Yes, a big family is expensive, but never in a million years would I expect anyone to help us. we chose to have this family, we will take care of them. My husband works in IT, I do some part time work from home, and as the kids all enter school, I'll go back to work part time.

I could go on and on, but the entitlement drives me absolutely batty.

Elijah's Mama said...

I'm not gonna try and reason with HMomofFour and her post..it's be like talking to the wall, and I'd probably get a better response from the wall.

Miss said...
Sheeple,

May your sons and grandsons marry a woman just like Kate. In EVERY factor. Then we can talk Kate.


I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. I think the fact that Kate even exists is probably punishment enough.

Re. Jake's mom's post, all I can say it wow. But I'm not surprised at all by Kate and her behavior..that woman's cheese slipped off her cracker ages ago.

He said the crew found out Kate's favorite wine and brought her a case of wine.

After what I read, that crew probably could've used that wine more than Kate! I think just being around her for 2 minutes could drive somebody to start drinking heavily.

wowkate said...

So wrong wrote "Her ex-fiancé went on record as saying that Kate tried to talk him into pursuing high order multiples with her to become rich and famous."

Is there an article I can read that verifies this?

PA Woman said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
"It seems that a major theme that runs through many of the sheeple posts is the focus on materialistic stuff = happiness."

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So very true. Don't you think that speaks volumes about the sheeple's own lifestyle and what THEY are most concerned with? They look up to the ways of the rich and famous, dreaming of what life could be like for them. They've never known that lifestyle, and for them, it's the great American dream. Love for the family, and emotional nuturing and stability really don't enter into it. Is this the kind of society we have become, or are the sheeple in the minority? I hope the latter is true.

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You know, on the days I post here, it usually has less to do with something Kate has done, but more to do with the Sheeple's reactions I have read on other sites. And, I rarely go to BM's. People on that site are mild in the defense of Kate compared to comments I've read on other forums. It just frustrates me that people can be so blind to Kates treatment of the kids and Jon. And, a defense often is that the benefits of the trips, house, etc are worth the cameras. That it is the Gosselin kids way of life and normal for them. Why can't they understand that it is a travisty for that to be normal?? They honestly seem to believe that taking away the camera, trips etc is harmful to the kids because that is their normal life?????? I honestly have to say that these people frustrate me as much, if not more then Kate.

sugarjay said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
"These kids don't even get milk regularly because organic milk is "expensive" while Kate has an expensive car, regular cut and color appointments, a mcmansion, full time nanny, babysitters, yard people, housekeeper, and obviously has dabbled in plastic surgery IMO."

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I'm not sure why milk (or lack of it) has become such an issue, other than to point out that "it's expensive." Perhaps the children really aren't fond of milk...not all kids guzzle it with gusto. Moreoever, these kids are all in school and have the opportunity to drink milk every day with their lunches if they want it.
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Um, did you see the episode where they went on the walk to the farm and they were all downing milk like they were starving? And if you had watched the show where they start pre-k you would have seen that Kate packs their lunches.

But my point was, her excuse for no milk is that it's expensive, not that they don't care for it or they drink it at school. Which is a lame excuse when we see all the materialistic crap Kate has no problem getting for herself. I don't understand why people are so quick to assume things are different that kate herself says they are.

Renee said...

First, the kids DO look unhappy and neglected. Second, does this person not realize that tabloids are edited, too? So aggravating. At least the show is over and there hasn't been any more press coverage. Wonder what they're gonna do for money now. They should sell that house, one of the parents should live with them full time (to save money spent on separate apartments) and downsize their lifestyles. That won't happen but I can dream anyway...

Elvira said...

I'm wondering how long they can maintain this lifestyle now that they have no show on the air. Five months to a year? It appears to me that Kate is counting on the new TLC show in the spring instead of taking the rational cost conserving measures most people would when unemployed and facing splitting assets with a spouse in a very few short weeks.

organizedblogroll said...

Can you IMAGINE the grief those poor kids received when the show ended??

I can hear her now...

HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE TRIPS TO THE BEACH.... THEY'LL BE OUR LAST!!

WE'LL NEVER TAKE ANOTHER TRIP AGAIN

WE'LL NEVER GO BACK TO DISNEY WORLD

Kate, people who are not on TV take family vacations all the time.

They scrimp and save and PAY FOR THEM THEMSELVES. A CONCEPT TOTALLY FOREIGN TO YOU!!

ToTheMoonAlice said...

HMomofFour, if you believe you know the "real" Kate from watching her on TV (ditto the "real" Jon), you are obviously a person of great discernment and fine judgement. I think you'd be very interested in buying this bridge I have for sale in Brooklyn...

my9cats said...

PA Woman says.....
"It just frustrates me that people can be so blind to Kates treatment of the kids and Jon."

After months and months of trying to be sensitive of how I addressed Sheeple (naive, well-meaning, blind), after all that has gone down since the split, from my POV sheeple are just plain STUPID.
The End.

Really? said...

Wowkate, I will try to find it. It was in the Nat'l Enquirer (I know, I know) around the tIme of the split and the reason that it held water in my opinion was that the ex-fiancé was interviewed himself and provided personal pictures

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

So wrong said...
notafan, it has been speculated in print that Kate misrepresented herself to her doctors, purposely had her ovaries overstimulated then did the deed with Jon with the goal being higher order multiples. She is said to have planned to become rich/famous/notorious by having such a large family after reading the McCaugheys book (they of the famous septuplets). Family members report that she carried that book around with her after reading it. Obtuse Kate was inspired by the freebies and acts of generosity extended to this family.
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I read that Kate's mother, in interviews with the local media, reported that Kate was obsessed with having higher order multiples after reading the McCaughey's book and carried it around with her.
I often wondered if these damaging statements that Kate's mother provided were the reason she (Kate) stopped talking to her parents shrotly after the tups' birth. Perhaps she felt betrayed that they "outed her." To stop talking to one's parents because you are unhappy with (donated) gifts, is a bit much even for Kate. I always thought there had to be more and I wondered if these damaging statements the local media reported were the real reason she cut them out of her life.

She's...um...RUINED said...

These poor kids have a major freak-out if they get the littlest bit dirty....

..what kind of mother denies their children to roll down a hill??? oh, I forgot...Kate does...she doesn't like to stay in the laundry room dealing with grass stains ALL DAY (she sure thinks a lot about herself, and not her kids, huh). She sure is stupid, if she can't deal with grass stains in a few seconds...besides not reading a cookbook, maybe she can't read the directions on a spray'n wash bottle.

WHAT A GREAT MOTHER. YEA, SHE'S A MOTHER ALRIGHT.....hahaha

MickeyMcKean said...

Just Curious said...
MickeyMcKean said...

To: Jake's Mom

Thank you for clarifying how the information was given to you.

SNIPPED FOR SPACE

Besides, the truth about behind the scenes will start to filter out. Your contact guy is just one of many people with horror stories; he was just the first one to talk to someone on this blog. :)

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How do you know that a) her "contact guy" is telling the truth and b) that there are many people with horror stories?

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To: Just Curious

How do you know that her a) "contact guy" is *NOT* telling the truth and b) that there are *NOT* many people with horror stories?

In regards to a):

I have already noted on another thread that I have had several encounters with "A" list celebrities - actors, singers, production people, as well as stunt men and women [so IMO even if Jon and Kate are well known I do not consider them "celebrities"].

Specifically I was a professional photographer and among other things, I have worked behind the scenes on movie sets and/or filming locations. In fact the movie “Long Road Home” with Mark Harmon was filmed in San Juan Bautista, CA and the parade scene in particular was filmed less than 300 yards from the front door of my home at the time.

So I know from work experience about staging a shot; I have an idea about the things that must be taken into consideration. Obviously one of them is lighting (you don’t want shadows on faces, you don’t want the subjects to be squinting because it is too bright, and we have to be aware of the background at all times), and the other is to do what is necessary to make it “visually friendly” and/or to make it “fit” if it is about a certain time period (in the movie they had to repaint the current store fronts to reflect the look of store fronts from in the past).

So when it was mentioned that the
"contact guy" said they spray painted the lawn green it made perfect sense to me -- in order to make the white circle thing “pop” it needed a deep green border and since we now know it was filmed in the winter, suffice it to say that snow, mud or slush would not work as a "border".

The kicker is that the viewer of the final cut cannot determine if it was filmed on a hot summer day or a cold winter one - the end result is they got what they were shooting for and they did a good job. Please note that as a viewer we all just *assumed* it was on a warm day but now we know differently.

In regards to b):

There are enough posters here on this blog who say they are locals and they have already told us their horror stories from dealing with Kate in their community.

That being said, why wouldn't it make common sense that there are more horror stories out there from people who have yet to come forward too?

There is no denying that Kate is a monster - it is ON FILM! - and due to editing, I wonder what is on film but did not make it to a DVD?

So yes, I do believe that it may take some time but I bet there are production people and others out there that want to come forward and vent about Jon and/or Kate but may be scarred ... for now.

rural mom said...

Here is a few things to ponder. TLC is paying all the bills at the moment. They pay Jon, they pay Kate. The lawsuit they brought against Jon seeks only the monies he has made in breach of contract. This amounts to about $50,000 for magazine interviews and public appearances. Why are they bothering? For the publicity. That is why Jon is not worried. He won't be out a dime when the dust settles. So for all the sheeple worried about Kate having enough money to buy a turkey and presents, don't worry, she is loaded. Also consider that if TLC can use heaters and such to scam the viewing audience into believing the opening shots were filmed on a sunny summer day instead of in dead of winter, what else are they passing off as real? Well you can bet they were not in the house on Christmas morning or Mother's day or any of the holidays and birthdays, those were production days and the set arranged to resemble the actual day. Nothing viewers see is as it is portrayed to be.

I liked it said...

Whaddya say we all stop harping on Jakes mom? She prefaced her post by saying 'I met an insider who said xxx". I found the insider information interesting and believable. It isn't gospel, and may have some inaccuracies like the post office game, but like the rules for posting say: believe what you want. But let's not discourage people from posting interesting things, ok?

AnneMarie said...

here's one from foxnews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/06/03/kate-gosselins-ex-fiance-chasing-money/


and from radar

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/kate-gosselin%E2%80%99s-ex-fiance-jon-%E2%80%9Crun-your-life%E2%80%9D

Snerk said...

The show has stopped filming. No one is being paid and the crew has been reassigned.

readerlady said...

@ wowkate and Really?

The interview with Khate's former fiance was in Star, not National Enquirer. It's available online. Just Google "Kate Gosselin former fiance" and there are a number of hits to articles and stories.Among other things, he says she was a slob and, when she lived with him at his parents' home, she never offered to help with the house work. I only skimmed the article online, and that was a few months ago, and I don't remember his talking about HOMs, but, as I said - skimmed/some time ago.

Jake's mom said...

"I liked it", thank you for the vote of confidence. Your post made me chuckle.

For what it's worth, I have the guy's business card sitting on my desk right now. But you are right: bloggers need to chose what they want to believe.

To Mickey McKean, thanks for your insider perspective. The person I spoke with also said that the opening was supposed to be filmed over Labor Day weekend, but Kate was taking a looooong time to renegotiate her contract with TLC, and the filming of the opener got pushed to the winter...and at that point, they had to deal with snow. The original plan was not to film the opener in the snow & have the kids outside in the freezing cold with no coats (I hope the PA of Dept of Labor is listening...).

Niki said...

News flash, sheeple: The TLC editors LIKE Khate and want people to be on her side. They edit her to look BETTER than she is in real life.

MickeyMcKean said...

rural mom said...
TLC is paying all the bills at the moment.

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I don't think so. The show is over so the paychecks per episode, as well as the perks such as landscapers, chefs, housekeepers, etc. have stopped too.

Now TLC has stated that they have plans for Kate in a new show in 2010, and there are those who believe that filming for this new show about organic whatever, has already started. Fine (I won't be watching!!)

But I wonder if Kate gets paid for an episode of her new show before it is on the air. My guess is perhaps she got a portion of it and the balance once it is on the air.

If TLC sees that the public's interest in Kate Gosselin is gone, they may decide to cancel the show before it ever hits the TV screen.

So if the new show does not go forward, or if Kate is not getting a TLC paycheck during this hiatus between the one show cancelling and the new one starting in 2010, is Kate able to feed and keep a roof over their heads? ABSOLUTELY!!!

She has money people!!!

Besides, if nothing else she will always take care of number 1 even if that means she is forced to dip into the trust funds already set up for the kids. Yep, that's right -- it would not surprise me if she will use the kid's money as backup in order to continue living the lifestyle she likes and wants to continue if she has to in order to make ends meet.

Pamela Jaye said...

I just dropped in after dealing some crises that don't involve the Gosselins amd it looks like I've missed a bunch, so what I have to say may be minor league by comparison, but,

my friend and I were comparing good and evil and Jon and Kate and people who do bad or stupid things and apologize vs people who take the high road and never admit to being wrong.

She mentioned that she knew Jon's uncle, who was a pastor, and "a good guy" so perhaps there may be hope for Jon yet, since there's a bit of difference between being wrong and just being repeatedly stupid (and agrees that he's still doing the teenage rebellion thing after escaping the iron fist of Queen Kate.)

So, I just got a phonecall and totally lost my train or thought.

Oh, for those of you who pray, I might suggest praying for Jon, cause those kids need a good parent and I don't see any hope at all with Kate. (though God did get thru to Saul/Paul)

Gimme a break, I sure deserve it said...

What is the point of watching the show at all if it is "edited" and you can't "assume it tells me anything"?

I am not anti-Kate. I am anti-reality show filming of families. It destroys more than it helps.

It's been said before: the Gosselins put their family on a national stage!

No one blogs about my temper tantrum at last year's black friday sale, no one knows when I sleep later than my kids, no one discusses the choices my husband and I have made because we do not have a camera crew follow us around showing our business to millions of people.

JenM said...

I can't figure out what "other BA site" I have seen some people refer to. What is it? Thanks.

Heather said...

So wrong wrote "Her ex-fiancé went on record as saying that Kate tried to talk him into pursuing high order multiples with her to become rich and famous."

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I read that Kate's mother, in interviews with the local media, reported that Kate was obsessed with having higher order multiples after reading the McCaughey's book and carried it around with her.
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I too would like to see both of these articles.

konspiracytheory said...

I was listening to a local radio station this morning when one of the hosts launched into a segment called "The Year in Douche-Baggery". I stayed with the station for a minute to hear if Jon's name came up, which of course it did. What caught me off guard was when one of the hosts said, "Jon, Kate and all eight of the little douchebags".

Ironically, this is the local rock station where the head sheeple BM lives (happened to read online once where she was located).

Once I got past my disgust with the person who made the comment, I started to wonder - if BM heard that segment, does she get it? I'm sure she'd be outraged that her precious Kate and the kids were thrown in the same category with Jon, but would she really get that Kate and Jon are the very reason the kids are being talked about that way on a major radio station for millions to hear?

Bottom line: the host was wrong to involve the kids (I get that it's supposed to be funny - I just don't think it is at all), but Kate and Jon carry the ultimate responsibility for setting their own children up for such embarassement for their own selfish and greedy reasons.

Not a fan of either said...

I also read the article where Kate's mother said that when Kate was a teenager she became obcessed with the book about the McCaughey sextuplets and read the book over and over and carried it around with her. She even mentioned the freebies that the McCaughey's received. This article was a long time ago and very early on in J&K's so-called career. I have never since then read a single word her mother has said. I cannot begin to remember who ran this article it was so long ago, but I never forgot it.

Can't See Sheep said...

Jake's mom, loved the insider info on the shoot & kate. Wow a mile walk to the bathroom, that's just plain nasty. I would love to see that situation reversed on her & she having to hoof it a mile just to use a bathroom. I think the crew should have kept the wine & drank it, they probably needed it.


PA Woman said...
That it is the Gosselin kids way of life and normal for them. Why can't they understand that it is a travisty for that to be normal?? They honestly seem to believe that taking away the camera, trips etc is harmful to the kids because that is their normal life??????
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My guess is because it's what they want, it's what they dream about & in their minds what they long after cannot be wrong. At least they're certainly not willing to entertain the fact that it is a shallow & hollow thing to pursue. More silly narcissism, a big screen TV will make it all better, a trip to Disney world will fix all that ails with our family. From trip to freebies, to trip, rather than just interacting with each other. They never just enjoy each other! Yes it probably wouldn't make riveting TV, but then a lot of their shows didn't. Just love the ones you're with because before you know it they're gone. Some move down the street, some move to other countries & some pass from this world completely.

Think back to your own childhood's, what do you remember, do you only remember things to do with cash or do you remember other things? Most of mine have nothing to do with trips or anything, just fun stuff we did on the farm. Planting the veggie garden each year with my mom & grandpa, working with the horses & so on. I was with those I loved & loved what we were doing.

I try to understand most things in life, however, I do not try to understand sheeple, they're too much like narcasists & when I run into one of them, I find the best thing to do is give them no attention & leave the area as quicky as possible. If you're stuck, make polite conversation until you can escape.

Can't See Sheep said...

Really? said...
Seems like she's still struggling financially...
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Seems like she's still struggling, period, on all levels.

So wrong said...
She is said to have planned to become rich/famous/notorious by having such a large family after reading the McCaugheys book (they of the famous septuplets). Family members report that she carried that book around with her after reading it. Obtuse Kate was inspired by the freebies and acts of generosity extended to this family.
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Wow talk about being inspired by a beautiful miracle & turning it into an ugly nightmare. Well, kate probably didn't see the miracle, she only saw the cash. How, with all that can go wrong for the babies & the pregnancy itself, could you see this as a get rich quick scheme. Ugly, ugly, ugly. kate seems cursed to never see or appreciate the real beauty in life.

Good thing she's not working in anything like helping people to plan for their retirement. Can you just imagine the crazy schemes she'd suggest

konhasyoufooled said...

Maybe TLC should change its name to KGB.

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Would that stand for Kate Gosselin's Bitches?

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

Regarding Jake's mom post and her source:
I found the information provided by your source to be very interesting and reminded me immediately of the "reports" of Kate's less-than-gracious behaviour and language as she left the studio following her first interview with Meredith V.
I'm not in the industry and have no inside knowledge but I can't imagine any other network putting up with Kate's diva behaviour, attitude and demands.

Im_in_PR said...

Ialso read the article where Kate's mother said that when Kate was a teenager she became obcessed with the book about the McCaughey sextuplets and read the book over and over and carried it around with her.

I believe that was in their local paper.

alana said...

MickeyMcKean said:

"rural mom said

'TLC is paying the bills at the moment.'

"I don't think so. The show is over so the paychecks per episode... have stopped too."


Were the KONS paid "per episode?"
I thought they signed a contract for each new "season."
When this ridiculous show was dying its slooooow death in its fifth season, I wondered if TLC insisted on sqeezing out episodes due to the fact that KON "owed" them 40 shows or whatever the number was. I thought it was a pretty sweet deal, for Yawn-Boy anyway, to be paid for the entire season when we all knew there was no way they'd last that long. If they hadn't eeked out the last two disgusting Jon-bashing "episodes," there would have been even fewer.

Does anyone know:

Was KON paid per episode or per season?

Who, officially, ended the season early, TLC or KON?

Was Hate's statement, "If any one of us wants to end the show, it's over" officially part of their contract or just another one of Hate's lies?

Did Hate's "contract to cheat" really exist, or was it just another one of Yawn-Boy's lies?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

MickeyMcKean said...

Jake's mom said...

To Mickey McKean, thanks for your insider perspective. The person I spoke with also said that the opening was supposed to be filmed over Labor Day weekend, but Kate was taking a looooong time to renegotiate her contract with TLC, and the filming of the opener got pushed to the winter...and at that point, they had to deal with snow. The original plan was not to film the opener in the snow & have the kids outside in the freezing cold with no coats (I hope the PA of Dept of Labor is listening...).

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Out of curiousity I just watched the opening segment where the family is holding the white circle.

To anyone who still questions whether or not it was shot in the winter, in the overhead aerial shot, please note that they have NO SHADOWS.

This tidbit would indicate that this photo shoot was done on an overcast day, not in bright sunlight; more likely than not in the winter and not the summer.

I also sure hope that the PA Dept of Labor is also paying attention ... the fact that they brought in huge heaters should also be noted as I'm sure that the kids were pitching fits because they were cold and they could not wear coats.

Ohhhhhh that's right, they were not working outside without jackets, they were playing. Wait a minute ... since when would heartless TLC bring in heaters so kids could "play"??

She did it on purpose said...

Google "Kate gosselin on purpose" or "kate gosselin fertility" and there ate several blogs with references to Kate's fertility treatments with links to newspaper articles implying Kate had the tups and twins on purpose. There was a quote from the local paper where Charlene Kreider (Kate's mom) said "Kate always wanted twins and her love for children influenced her choice to pursue a career as a labor and delivery nurse. She got her twins and went beyond that."

Also here is a link to a rol article where an old classmate of Kate's recalls bumping into her at their 10 year high school reunion. Kate had already had the twins and was back on fertility treatments but not yet pregnant with the tups. Kate told this friend, "This time maybe I'll get pregnant with four."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/07/exclusive-jon-kate-sextuplets-former-friend-speaks-out

I could not find a direct quote regarding the issue of Kate carrying around the McCaughey book, but know it came from her local paper.

And while neither of the above quotes busts Kate, it is weird that a woman who always wanted twins got them. This same woman glibly jokes she might get pregnant with 4 babies despite her claims that she just wanted one more. Anyway, the google search was interesting and taken as a whole, the articles are pretty damning.

mommy said...

I cannot for the life of me, look at my two children, and ever imagine putting them on tv, for any reason at all. I don't even like to share pics on facebook w/ friends of them b/c of all the sickos. Not to mention - ITS NOT NORMAL! You can't say "it's their normal." For children who grow up being beat and raped, that is "their normal" too. Just b/c their used to it doesn't mean its good for them. They are both children raising children. They wanted the $, used the kids to get it. Seriously, do you think people started watching b/c K was so interesting? No, b/c the kids were cute. Now it's time to pay the price for your bad behavior all around. Why is anybody talking about Jon's affairs? Who cares? What did we expect. If they would pimp out their kids to the media, obviously they are not setting any moral standards. Both of their biggest sins, and the reason their worlds are crumbling, is they pimped their kids out to the media, plain and simple. Now they all pay the price. And yes, they will all need years of therapy to erase the deep hate they will have for their parents once they realize the depth of what they've been through. If I were J and K, I would get working on that now...

Mary said...

Im_in_PR said...
Ialso read the article where Kate's mother said that when Kate was a teenager she became obcessed with the book about the McCaughey sextuplets and read the book over and over and carried it around with her.
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I read the dilley book several times as a teenager and encouraged friends to read it. I got excited when I saw them on tv on the Rosie O'Donnel show.

I however never wanted multiples then and almost a decade and half later later i still dont want multiples.

I think Katie always had and has a desire for attention.

Mary said...

an old classmate of Kate's recalls bumping into her at their 10 year high school reunion. Kate had already had the twins and was back on fertility treatments but not yet pregnant with the tups. Kate told this friend, "This time maybe I'll get pregnant with four."
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On the Dr Phil show (the octomom show where Kate was invited as someone who "did it right",
Kate said when they did fertility the 2nd time, they were preparing for up to 4 more.

I wished he would have asked how how she was going to provide for twins plus 4 more.

konhasyoufooled said...

Not a fan of either said...

I also read the article where Kate's mother said that when Kate was a teenager she became obcessed with the book about the McCaughey sextuplets and read the book over and over and carried it around with her. She even mentioned the freebies that the McCaughey's received. This article was a long time ago and very early on in J&K's so-called career. I have never since then read a single word her mother has said. I cannot begin to remember who ran this article it was so long ago, but I never forgot it.
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The article was in the Reading Newspaper. I am sure if you check the archives there you will find it.

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