What Should Jon Be Doing?

Jon was seen taking a yoga class in LA earlier this week and now it's being said he's on his way to Hawaii for a professional athlete's wedding. What should Jon have been/be doing instead in your opinion?

123 comments:

kitnkaboodle said...

Ummm--oh wait...I KNOW!
How about: WORKING!

Yeah,--that's the ticket.
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Pony said...

IMO, Jon should be in PA, looking for a place to live since he no longer needs (or probably has) the apartment in NYC. When he finishes that task, he should start dusting off his resume. This should lead him to realize that he should start looking for a career counselor who can advise him on what he should study in order to find a job to support the kids. Finding a decent lawyer might not be a bad idea either.

Canadian Mom said...

Disappearing.

Off the face of the earth.

Oh, wait....the kids would miss him.

Canadian Mom said...

Learning to knit.

To knit Kate a crying towel.

lukebandit said...

he was in LA at the beginning of the week, he was in PA yesterday because he took alexis and hannah to the movies and now the swinging front gate lets jon out and kate in? now jon is on his way to hawaii for a professional athletes wedding? what in the ham sandwich is he doing that for? why would you pay to fly 1st class yo bet to hawaii for a wedding to see someone get married that you don't even personally know?

he should be at the E town house supervising new carpet, painting and fixing it up and getting it ready to have the kids come and stay with him on his custody. they could come a couple of times a month and their ride to the bus stop wouldn't be so long.
and then get a career coach and help him get a job. kate is so horribly inflexible and extremely stubborn.

Bend Over.... said...

He should be bending over and kissing his a$$ goodby...I saw the court papers on radaronline and it looks like he's fuc**d! I really can't believe that they are doing this to him. He will be a broken man. He can dust off his resume all he wants but he's probably unemployable after all his antics and this very bitter divorce. I'm guessing that TLC will offer to settle and that settlement will be that the kids are back on TV. I don't think Jon will fight to keep them off as he'll be too worried about his own a$$.

cdnmom47 said...

1. Stop talking to the press.

2. Get into intense therapy for the years of abuse you've endured.

3. Get the kids into therapy.

4. Get rid of the New York apartment and move into the old, unsold house so that when it's your time with the kids,THEY can come and stay with YOU.

5. Get rid of any unnecessary vehicles.

6. Don't date...yet.

7. Stop drinking and smoking.

8. Get a full-time IT job, or perhaps part-time and go back to school so you can support your kids.

9. Sue Kate for full custody. Those kids need a loving environment and they don't have a chance of that with their mother. After getting your life straightened out, I think you are their only hope.

10. Encircle the kids with their extended family (grandparents, aunts, uncles). Those kids need family around them.

dogsandkids said...

Jon should-
-stay in Pennsylvania and be with his kids as much as he can.
-look for a job or go to school.
-stay away from dating ANYONE.
-stay away from the media and all celebrities.
-find a good therapist for himself and the kids.
-grow up.

Kittycat said...

Looking after his family.
Getting a job like a normal Dad.
Setting an example to his kids.
Become a person his kids can be proud of.
Be a Dad....just a Dad...a mentor, a working, helping, teaching Daddy.
Somebody that the kids can 'google' and know that he did all he could to be the best he could be.

Tami said...

Become a normal man. Forget there was ever a reality show. It corrupted the crap out of that family. Nobody cares anymore, Jon!

Melissa said...

Why doesn't he just get his jaw wired shut? Kills two birds with one stone - no more putting food or his foot in his mouth.

silimom said...

Jon needs to get his house in order and to a certain extent I think he's trying to do that. The biggest thing he could do to win the PR war would be to stop being a mediawhore and keep his personal matters private.

That probably won't help him in his case with TLC. Bottom line there, he said he didn't wait until TLC had released him from his contract before seeking other gigs. Being in the reality tv business, TLC has to make an example of Jon. This has less to do with supporting Kate and more with making sure they don't open a door for their other "stars" to walk away.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon.. said...

First thing he should do is try to be invisable.
Next, Shut TFU!
Then, never be seen w/a cig hanging out of his mouth.
Quit wearing the baseball cap backwards. Wear a collared shit.
Duct tape his mouth and zipper.
Stay away from all things female except his daughers.
Realize the media is NOT your BFF.
Always STFU.
Quit making a bigger fool out of yourself.
STFU.
Don't trust anyone.

(I'm having a hard time rationalizing my membership on Team Jon.)

Read M&H for a decent family lawyer who will dispense responsible advice. And then follow it!

And STFU!

Katezilla said...

If there are John sightings over here (Hawaii), GWOP will be the first to know. If I run into him, I'm tempted to yell "get off the island and get your act together!".

Sounds like he'll be on Maui since that's where Shane Victorino is from. And how ironic would it be if Shane got married at the same hotel as Jon & Kate's vow renewals!! Wasn't it at the Grand Wailea?

HOW in tarnation did Jon score an invitation from Shane. Their meeting after the Philly games seemed brief and short and certainly not a budding bromance.

Does anyone know which island his mom and relatives are from? I read his mom is from Oahu but his relatives who attended the vow renewals were from Kauai. This island is small, people talk. Who knows, my hair stylist's cousin's teacher could be related to them.

Oh well this weekend will be interesting.

crabbygirl said...

Take a year off for himself romantic relationship wise and take the infamous high road to a "private" job out of the public eye.

readerlady said...

@lukebandit

How do you know Jon doesn't know the person who is getting married?

Also - he has family in Hawaii. Perhaps he'll use some of the time he's there to reconnect with them. He sure didn't have much opportunity to do that when they were there for the fake vow renewal.

Then, Jon should return to PA, concentrate on getting his life straightened out, find a place to live that's closer to the kids, decide what he wants to do for a living, and then take steps to either get a job or get training for one. I don't especially agree that he should go back to school. I don't think Jon is stupid, but I also don't think he's academically inclined. He'd do better with something that's more hands-on than cognitive.

nan said...

IMO Jon has very little common sense, and sadly I don't believe he's very intelligent. Not bashing here -just stating what I've observed. I honestly don't know what he's going to be able to do with his life once he's out of the public eye. Maybe he will meet a nice woman who values his good points and will be able to guide him in the right direction regarding a possible job, and in his relationships with the kids.

He doesn't seem to be able to make good choices about anything when he's left to his own devices.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Jon should be accountable. Accountable for taking care of HIS eight kids. Accountable to the truth about what his qualifications are. I am so sick of hearing that Jon was in IT. What did he do, exactly,without a college degree?? And his training was from what year? Get some training, get a job. Your fifteen minutes of fame is over. Living off the back of your babies is over.

ellen said...

Jon should take a look at himself and see he is a good and capable person...a far better parent than Kate will ever be.
Jon should drop the media activity...especially Rabbi Shmuley who is just as much a fame whore as Kate and who will turn on Jon at whatever point it will benefit him.
Moving into the unsold PA house sounds like a good idea to me...I don't follow this forum regularly....why does he no longer need the NYC apt?

Most important: Jon should avoid reading anything that begins with 'Jon should.'

PJ said...

Jon does not want full custody of the kids. He said in the show he doesn't like being with the kids all the time. That will be played in court.

But ... just for the kids sakes, full custody or not, he needs to ..

- stop smoking with the kids in the car. That is not healthy for the kids and enough to lose custody in some states.

- stop talking to the reporters. True or not, it looks like he enourages the paps to hang around while Kate, by not talking to them, discourages them.

- get away from the Hellers. They are sleezy and not good advisors. Get away from Michael Lohan - his slime will coat you. Get away from Schmuly too. He will sell you out like he did Michael Jackson.

- spend Thanksgiving with your mother and brothers. If you don't spend holidays with your own family, having them around occassionally looks like a photo op.

- stop focusing on TV as a career. You are going to make a few bucks until your story gets old but no one will hire you for a real television job. Besides having no talent, you have become an untouchable in the industry through your own bhavior.

- As much as you hated Kate suggesting it, go back to school. Your only hope of getting a job that will help support those kids is to advance your education. You may be awarded spousal support but it will temporary and you can not count on living off of Kate the rest of your life.

The Big Wooden Spoon said...

I think Jon should move back to the Etown house, get a part-time job so he can pay Jodi to provide some childcare, and GO BACK TO SCHOOL.
At this point, and in this economy, the best job he could probably get would be bartender -- they make pretty good money and he's not qualified for much else. (His IT credentials are probably woefully out of date)
He should also have the children's friends over regularly so that those poor little lambs can learn how to behave and have some plain old fun.
He needs to quit bars and dating -- it's way too soon, IMO -- instead, he could join a support group for some companionship and support.

lisamarie said...

I agree, Jon should just stay home and in PA for now. Dating and trips can be done later. Perhaps the trip to Hawaii is being paid for by someone alse? And BOTH Jon and Kate never seem to be able to say "no" to a free trip.
Jon needs to dig in his heels and refuse to be bullied by Kate and TLC. His TV "career" is kaput, anyway. Giving his children what's left of their privacy is the best thing he can do at this point. In the long run, that will be one of the positive things that his kids will thank him for when they are older.

Not a fan of either said...

I can think of a lot of things Jon should be doing but you have already mentioned them. What I WISH Jon could do is sue TLC for destroying his family. Oh I know J&K were willing participants, but TLC took full advantage of their ignorance and fame and money hunger and did not (and still don't) care that they destroyed this family. I have heard that Jon does not stand a chance against the high powered expensive lawyers that TLC has hired to bring him down.

Live in Etown house said...

cdnmom47: Exactly what you said. Also I think he should take the Etown house off the market, move in and make that his home for the time-being. I get that he might not want to stay there, but they are paying the mortgage while it is on the market, and the taxes on it.

Jon needs to stop being his own worst enemy here. All those years of being put down and berated by his soon-to-be (thank goodness) ex-wife have screwed up his ego and his personality -- and his prospects.

No Drama Mama said...

Anything other than what he HAS been doing!

Minka's tail said...

The poor Phillies. The Yankees have talented people like Penny Marshall and Billy Crystal on their side, and the Phillies have Jon! No wonder they lost. He could jinx anybody!

He needs to get into a training program, ASAP. Do they have a paid fire department where he's from? I always thought that would be a good job for him. He could get a lot of attention (being in parades, etc.) but also have a lot of free time (the majority of days where nothing burns down) The discipline at the fire academy would stop his smoking habits. The army wouldn't be bad either, except he couldn't bring the 8 kids to Iraq.

The single dumbest thing he did, I think, was to give up a job with the state benefits and pension. Whether it was a job created for him or not--what a stupid, stupid thing to do. And if she really demanded he do this so she could enjoy 15 minutes of traveling fame, she's even dumber than I originally thought.

Jon--get a job!

Smarten Up and SOON said...

Credibility went down the tube when, at season's end, Jon claimed he was tired of the 'reality' life and wanted a break. He had a good shot of being a real life hero, had he followed through with this.

Instead, he signed on for more seasons. Goodbye, integrity, so long, credibility.

He then proceeded to make an absolute arse of himself for an entire year AND in the public spotlight. This has not only sunk his own personal ship but has also given yet another burden to his kids in having to deal with the ramifications of having a dad who is a public Village Idiot.

So, suggested priorities: Lawyer up. This time with a REAL lawyer, not some friend of a girlfriend's family who has a less than stellar background in the profession. When up against TLC corporate lawyers, pay whatever is required to protect oneself with a lawyer up to the task of legally defending the really poor decisions and behaviors.

STHU. Go private. With a vengeance. Seek silence and anonymity as if they are the very air you need to breathe. Because at this point, they ARE.

Sell the mansion. And the hot cars. Get rid of the NYC apt. Hunker down in a middle class home with the kids. Get/stay in counselling. Have but a SOLE GOAL: Devoting self entirely to being a rock of support & sanity for your kids. Period. The End.

Remain celibate until you have healed and worked through whatever the H issues brought you to this abysmal place you curently find yourself. Until you are relatively sure will not choose Kate The Sequel, say farewell to romance for now.

Kiss goodbye any thoughts of fame, big $. Lose the losers (yes, Michael Lohan and Ed Hardy, and whatever females that have been willing to involve themselves with you at a time that makes being with you clearly a symptom of their own dysfunction).

Say hello to working a real job for a living. Howdy to normalcy for yourself and kids. Welcome, peace and serenity.

In short: go away out of the spotlight and STAY there.

When you hear and read, "Jon WHO??", you'll know you're on the right track.

rural mom said...

Jon and Kate are intellectual lightweights. Okay, they are dumb as hammers. Jon needs to learn if he doesn't stand for something he will fall for anything. He has no strength, no opinion,no position, no moral compass. He is just drifting along looking for instant gratification. He needs to grow up. I suggest he make new and smarter friends, go to school or learn a trade, clean up his lifestyle, eat better, exercise, quit smoking and stop looking within for answers, once you start serving others and giving of yourself, life is damn good, happiness follows. And if that fails, he should just hole up and get off tv forever.

CHRISTINE1600 said...

What should Jon be doing?

Jon and Kate should sell their mansion, move the kids back to the home they can't sell(.....get an apartment nearby that both of them share when they are not with the kids. I know of a couple that felt they would move in rather than bus the kids back and forth and temporairly shared an apartment until the both could afford their one place, and it worked well. They also spent time working on a ammicable relationship "FOR THE KIDS SAKE".
Jon also needs to stop doing interviews and focus on a real job... a job where he can gain some respect from his children.

Lucy said...

Jon needs to take life seriously and be an adult. First get a good lawyer to represent him in the TLC lawsuit, get a real job, get away from all media, close ranks with all family members and stop the craziness that surrounds his children including investigating permanent custody arrangements and therapy for the 8. Then, and only, then will there be any peace and healing can start for the children.

Midnight Serenade said...

Spoon said:

I think Jon should move back to the Etown house, get a part-time job so he can pay Jodi to provide some childcare, and GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

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Wouldn't it be better to get an apartment close to the children's home? I'm not sure the E-Town neighbors want to deal with the media circus again!

fidosmommy said...

Minka's Tail said.....
The single dumbest thing (Jon) did, I think, was to give up a job with the state benefits and pension. Whether it was a job created for him or not--what a stupid, stupid thing to do. And if she really demanded he do this so she could enjoy 15 minutes of traveling fame, she's even dumber than I originally thought.

*****

I agree!

I thought the whole family should have moved closer to Harrisburg so Jon's commute from a good job with benefits would be a lot shorter, giving him more time with the kids and with her. They would have had weekends together every week. I couldn't see what was holding them in E-town area besides Jodi and Kevin, and we now see how long that lasted. They don't seem to be attached to houses or neighborhoods very much, so moving closer to Jon's job would have made perfect sense, IMO. TLC would have still known where to find them to film the occasional update on the Gosselin 8, which is all anybody really needs.

ManicNarcissism said...

Get a job. You say you don't want to do Jon & Kate plus 8 and be "just Jon." So, start that now. Go get a job and start living your life.

MickeyMcKean said...

As for what Jon should be doing, I certainly don't have all the answers. What I do have is my opinion which is that Jon has no future in television, no matter how much he is under the impression that he does.

In fact IMO the faster this Gosselin train wreck goes down the tracks, the quicker the public gets sick and tired of all things Gosselin and will want the Gosselins to just go away.

Obviously Jon [and Kate] both are going to have to look for real jobs, ones that are not in television, even tho they have become accustomed to a certain lifestyle which thanks to the television paycheck they could afford and understandably would want to continue.

Again I believe that Jon's [and Kate's] days are numbered in television. But life will still go on, bills will still come each and every month, and the kids will want to be fed every day.

If Jon and Kate did not blow the money they made on over 100+ episodes, I believe they both could be able to live comfortably separately in their own homes in a middle class neighborhood. This is not rocket science. Obviously with downsizing and living like "normal people" I think they can have productive lives and the children can grow up to be productive adults.

I guess the hardest part for Jon and Kate to adjust to will be that they are just like the rest of us "normal" people.

Janine said...

Well... wasn't K8 just in L.A. hopping at th Grove? Yoga seems healthy. I guess it's K8's turn with the kids. Jon has family in Hawaii and I believe he needs (for the sake of his children) to re-connect with any and all loving family. He can't be at the house when it's K8's turn and she said she is there making dinner all the time. So, a lay over in L.A. on the way to Hawaii seems perfectly reasonable. Whatever Jon does, as long as it isn't hurting his kids... is none of my business and I think "good for him".
Being social, spiritual not isolating are all healthy things.
Who knows, maybe Jon is working (oh, I forgot TLC owns the rights to him working)

Janine said...

When he gets back, move back to the old house, let the kids feel normal (bus can pick them up or how about public school?) Take a break from romance and social life (the kids only get one shot at this). Continue therapy. Love the kids every spare moment. Be honest because the other stuff gets exposed... or twisted.

ErinKate said...

Jon should be at home helping 8 kids with their homework. Like any other parent.

cheryl said...

Jon should: beef up security, move himself and kids back to etown,
or Lancaster to be closer to kids school, or do some crab fishing for some quick bucks.
Moderation is the key!!!

ShockerConJandK said...

Getting off media. I used to feel sorry for Jon, now I just feel sorry for the poor kids with this two parents.

fidosmommy said...

Jon has family in Hawaii and I believe he needs (for the sake of his children) to re-connect with any and all loving family.

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Who knows, Jon's family may have pooled resources to get him to Hawaii for a visit. They didn't get an honest visit the last time he was there, as I recall, and you know the whole time had to be focused on Kate, the wedding, Kate, the reception, Kate, the planning, Kate, writing vows, Kate,
picking clothes for children, Kate,
Kate, Kate, Kate. They weren't there long enough to think about much else.

Amy2 said...

When its his non-custody days, stay in town. Quit flying all over the country. Lay low. If can't find a job, then do volunteer work. Stay busy, stay productive, stay focused while he finds his way.

silimom said...

1) People say Jon should move back to the Etown house. As I said before, it may not be possible because it's an asset in the divorce. Ideally, if it were me, I'd say give me the Etown house and you keep the McMansion.

2) As for getting a real lawyer, who's going to rep him? They know he has no money and and likely no hope of getting any in the future. Lawyers, like other professionals, like to get paid.

3) It's no surprise that TLC is going after him if their advertisers were complaining about his behavior. In the long run, I think this lawsuit is good for Jon. There's no easy way out of it. He has to grow up and take responsibility for his choices. Sometimes it takes losing everything you have to become the person you were designed to be. It's sad, but it's the only way some of us learn.

The concern here is that Jon will back down and let TLC film the kids on "Kate + 8". And frankly, I think taking them off at this juncture only hurt his case more in the long term. Had he allowed filming to continue, Kate would have dug her own grave and the show would have ended. What he should have done was state that he did not wish the children to be filmed during his custody time with them. Some may argue that that would have prompted Kate to pursue full custody (if she isn't already) but I don't think her case was strong enough for that and no judge is going to say "Now, Jon, you HAVE to let TLC film the kids during your visitation."

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

ONE THING FOR SURE !!!

We all agree. I think it's all been said.

Who will hand deliver these posts to Jon? Poor guy needs the honest truth given to him by people who actually care.

torgoman said...

Being social, spiritual not isolating are all healthy things.
Who knows, maybe Jon is working (oh, I forgot TLC owns the rights to him working)


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I agree. Jon is doing a lot of positive things. Yoga is a great.

Looking for a job would be good--after the public has gone away. How can he go on job interviews while the paps are following him around? And how can he be sure that if he sends a resume and cover letter to a potential employer that someone on staff wouldn't tip off the press for some quick spending money or to get the company some free publicity.

Being a tabloid celebrity is Jon's job. Not a great or real job, and he isn't really suited for being in the public eye; but it pays extrememly well. As long as people are willing to waste their time and money, let him rake in those thousands by granting interviews or showing up at public events. Unlike Kate, I don't think Jon really thinks he has a media career future.

As long as he saves some of that cash to support himself after his return to obscurity then good for him. Once TLC has left, he can start looking for work. Maybe he'll have a better idea of what he wants to do.

Tell Jon to lose weight? Well, why should we focus just on Jon and ignore millions of other Americans.

Tell Jon to start dressing better? Again, why should we focus just on Jon and overlook all the other straight guys in this nation that don't know how to dress?

I agree he needs to move back to PA full time. I believe he will after TLC finally leaves this family alone.

Yeah, that's what TLC should be doing: After November sweeps, just pull the plug and let this father and his children heal.

Let Jon have a few afternoons driving around on his ATV without having to think about court dates and cable channels. Maybe that's all the therapy he really needs.

Geri said...

I think Jon should write a tell-all book, it would make a bigillion dollars. Then take his kids and move to Hawaii. The end.

Turns Out, It's My Letter To Jon said...

Smarten Up and SOON said, (excerpt from a long and spot-on comment):
"In short: go away out of the spotlight and STAY there."
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If fame is a drug, he needs intervention.

In your well-written post, the glaring thing coming through to me was my own echo: Jon, GROW UP. You are 32 years old, not 22. A lot of us got robbed of some of our youth. Get over it. Move forward. Get serious about your life. You've got major stuff going on. Make a plan and stick with it. Eight children are counting on you.

Do you realize that many of us out here did not get the blessing of a family and having our own children? Do you know how lucky you are to have eight special and healthy kids? Can I tell you that they will trump any fame or job and any amount of money in the end? When most people tic off what's important to them, especially if they're on their deathbed, they're not going to talk about Ed Hardy shirts or a new car. They may talk about an honorable career where they know they made a difference, but they're primarily going to talk about their friends and family when they look back on their life and accomplishments.

There is nothing worse than seeing a wasteland behind you because you can't go back and fix it. Look at yourself Jon, and think about what you want to say about yourself, or what you want other people to say about you. Try to work out what defines you...make it a mission. Make a life plan; make a bucket list. Don't wind up old and alone because you failed yourself and your kids.

You only get so many chances at this. Don't spend them down. I know of what I speak. Learn from what I'm saying. Listen to some of us who are older and made the mistakes.

We got to know a little about you through the television; for some persisting reason, many people want the best for you. Just run with that, okay? Thanks.

Can't Buy Wisdom said...

Turns Out It's My Letter to Jon: What a great post! Very insightful. Lots of wisdom contained in those words. Thanks for a great post.

Melissa said...

rural mom said...

Jon and Kate are intellectual lightweights. Okay, they are dumb as hammers.

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I don't know about that - at least hammers can hit the nail on the head every now and then.

I see them more as goldfish out of a bowl - flopping on the floor, and you just know they're not gonna last much longer after being out of the water.

dustilies said...

Turns Out It's My Letter to Jon:

Wonderful post, with wisdom for all of us.

And to everyone who contributes:

This group has so many insightful and thoughtful people, and I have learned a lot.

Came for the snark, stayed for the ethics!

Pony said...

pinkdiamond611 said...
"...I am so sick of hearing that Jon was in IT. What did he do, exactly,without a college degree?? And his training was from what year? Get some training, get a job."

I believe Jon had a Microsoft analyst certificate. While not a college degree, it does require taking classes and passing a number of tests. Given the amount of time he's not worked, he undoubtedly needs a brushup course before he can find a good job. But people with Microsoft certificates can make very good livings. One of my son's friends took the classes, passed all but the last test, and decided he didn't want to be an IT analyst. Today he makes sandwiches at a sub shop. My kids think he was an idiot.

Sidney said...

I like Minka's Tail suggestion that Jon would be a good fireman.

I think that is an excellent idea!

He could do that and he might learn a little from the other firemen about how families operate and what Dads really need to do to keep a family together.

He might be surprised to learn adultry isn't well thought of.

I really like that!

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"I believe Jon had a Microsoft analyst certificate. While not a college degree, it does require taking classes and passing a number of tests. Given the amount of time he's not worked, he undoubtedly needs a brushup course before he can find a good job. But people with Microsoft certificates can make very good livings. One of my son's friends took the classes, passed all but the last test, and decided he didn't want to be an IT analyst. Today he makes sandwiches at a sub shop. My kids think he was an idiot."

Yeah, I've been wondering why people don't think he has any skills. My sister is a systems analyst for Microsoft (although she has a Masters Degree) and makes BIG BUCKS.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

I don't really understand why people are bothered by Jon living in NY during his noncustody time. First of all, that isn't that far from PA and he's with the kids half the time. There are parents living clear across the country who share custody/visitation time with their kids.

And for all the people (not on this site) who keep talking about his weight/looks, I don't even read those posts; that is so unimportant compared to what the kids need from their parents.

And I can't imagine Kate getting full custody; he is clearly the better parent. It really shows when he and the kids together how much he loves them and how much they love him. You don't see that with Kate, sadly. Not these days. I can't believe how much she's changed since the early shows (been rewatching lately).

For the Moment? said...

I don't think Jon wanted to give up his job. It was Kate complaining all the time..I'm exhausted..and she could barely handle the 2 hours between the time the twins came home from school and Jon got there. Obviously w/ TLC having so much control they would have been behind him quitting his job. Then they tried to lie about it for a while w/ him "working from home," where?--helloooo--the computer was in the closet. I think he would have continued working had it not been for Kate and TLC.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Not to argue with Pony, but she mentioned that she knew someone who has a Microsoft certificate and is now working in a sandwich shop. Does she, or anyone know of anyone who has a Microsoft certifiate, and no college degree, not even an Associates degree, who has an IT position? Jon could have been taking classes while he was a stay at home dad. What was he doing all that time? Contrary to claims, we all know there were not-nannies and cooks, and helpers helping out at all times. I honestly believe that these two Kons believed that their gravy train would never end. How ignorant and naive.

Ohiogal said...

I don't think Jon, even if he tried his best, could settle down with a normal job and just be normal. I think any HR person would see red flags all over an application with his name on it and say there is NO WAY we are dealing with this MESS, and not hiring him. I can't say that I would.

Sadly, I've Been Like Her said...

For the Moment? said...
I don't think Jon wanted to give up his job. It was Kate complaining all the time..I'm exhausted..and she could barely handle the 2 hours between the time the twins came home from school and Jon got there. Obviously w/ TLC having so much control they would have been behind him quitting his job. Then they tried to lie about it for a while w/ him "working from home," where?--helloooo--the computer was in the closet. I think he would have continued working had it not been for Kate and TLC.
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I agree with you completely and I've always thought the same. I believe he even said on one of the couch interviews (at the end of the previous season when hints were loud that he was unhappy) that quitting his job worked for Kate but it didn't necessary work for him. Maybe I'm imagining it now since it's so long I watched the reality show but I thought he said he missed working and seeing people (i.e., staying at home was too isolating for him). I had posted a comment on this idea some months back but I'll re-state that I can totally see Kate putting the pressure on him because I caught myself doing it to my own husband although this was the case of caring for elderly parents, not young children. I needed the help but I was leaning far too much on him. If he'd quit his job for me, it would have been a godsend but, of course, it just wasn't financially possible (I didn't have TLC in the background). Some caregivers can handle more than others just like some moms can. Kate and I tapped out early in the game how much we could or, importantly, how much we WANTED to handle. That's when the air of selfishness and entitlement comes to play. It's more than just being overwhelmed. Thankfully, I saw what I was doing, reminiscent of Kate, and I laid off my husband after that because he liked his employment and got a lot of identity from it he would never have gotten by staying home with me to take care of the old folks. I hate to say it about myself, but if I had money, it would be great to let somebody else do the work so I could sit back and do the organizing/supervising and still have time to focus on my own life. I'm just saying, I get it. I think I know what was going on with her. And I think it was a lot of pressure she put on Jon, which was wrong. Another problem is, once you've been off work for a long while and gotten accustomed to being home, it can be hard to have the confidence and motivation to "get back out there" in the workplace unless you're really feeling the money squeeze. Give him time.

Megan said...

@ EnjoyYourself

There's a big diffeence between

a. having two degrees, being a systems analyst and actually working for Microsoft

and

b. having a few Microsoft certificates (glorified Microsoft Office Suite knowledge) that are now outdated by about 5 years

Pony said...

pinkdiamond611 said... "Not to argue with Pony, but she mentioned that she knew someone who has a Microsoft certificate and is now working in a sandwich shop. Does she, or anyone know of anyone who has a Microsoft certifiate, and no college degree, not even an Associates degree, who has an IT position?"

Actually, what I said was that I know someone who tried to get a Microsoft certificate but stopped short of taking the final exam. (I think at the time there 6 or 7 required, but I'm probably off on that number.) This young man works in a sandwich shop because he didn't finish the program, which would have allowed him to get a much better job in IT and make a lot more money. My son has a friend whose husband did finish the program, and that guy, with no college degree, makes upwards of $70K a year doing some sort of IT work.

Jon's problem at this point is that he hasn't worked in IT for several years - and Microsoft has come out with a new OS, new Office version that is completely different, etc. So I think to work in IT, Jon would have to go back and at least take a refresher course before he would be worth hiring.

As for nobody being willing to hire him due to all the negative publicity, I think people might be surprised. There was a case in my town a couple of years ago where a man was arrested for some very odd behavior. It got on the evening news, front page of the paper, "Dumbest criminals" video, etc. He was forced to resign his very prominent job, and then the charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. He was hired by a major employer and is in a good job, despite negative publicity that was worse than anything I've read about Jon. So you never know.

ManicNarcissism said...

Sadly, I've been like her,

I appreciate your comments. I can only hope that Kate is the type of person one day that can be this self aware and attempt to grow as a person.

You know she really could have had it both ways. If she had the help I could care less if she did the housework, cooking, laundry, errands etc, She could have had people do all these things for her if I saw her then have the time to play with her kids and read to them and be patient and kind I would have still thought her a good mother.

But, she was so insistent that she didn't have help and forgot to focus on what really mattered.

Sharla said...

Could be TMZ was wrong about Jon's plans or Jon changed his mind.

Radaronline has Jon at home with the kids this weekend.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/new-photos-jon-gosselin-goes-four-wheeling-his-kids

Betty said...

None of our IT support desk people have college degrees or at least none of the ones that I have talked with. They don't make $70K a year, but they do make a livable salary with opportunity for advancement.

Fear for Jon said...

Sidney said: "I like Minka's Tail suggestion that Jon would be a good fireman . . . he might learn a little from the other firemen about how families operate and what Dads really need to do to keep a family together.

He might be surprised to learn adultry isn't well thought of."

I think you might be surprised to learn that most men (and not a few women) would NOT consider dating when separated, (especially when it's been months since your spouse told you it's over) adultery.

FYI - changed my name from "Hope for Jon" to "Fear for Jon." I think this TLC lawsuit is very scary. As I've said all along, I'm sympathetic to him b/c he's the one with corporate power and money deployed against him. VERY uneven playing field.

PA Woman said...

pinkdiamond611 said...
Not to argue with Pony, but she mentioned that she knew someone who has a Microsoft certificate and is now working in a sandwich shop. Does she, or anyone know of anyone who has a Microsoft certifiate, and no college degree, not even an Associates degree, who has an IT position?
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I'm in PA and know several. In fact we have several IT people where I work that don't have degrees. I believe they make more like 60K rather then 70. He would need to brush up his skills, but if the desire is there he can do it.

I stll see him running a cycle shop. He really enjoyed himself on the OC.

PA Woman said...

Fear for Jon said...
FYI - changed my name from "Hope for Jon" to "Fear for Jon." I think this TLC lawsuit is very scary. As I've said all along, I'm sympathetic to him b/c he's the one with corporate power and money deployed against him. VERY uneven playing field.

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I agree with you. I'm sure they are turning the screws hard, with the ultimate goal to get Jon to agree to filming the kids in exchange for dropping the suit.

RandomThoughts said...

Jon should:
*Move back into the little house
*Get a job
*Act like an adult, and drop the almost-teenage girlfriends
*Stick around town so he can be there for his kids
*Be there on time and for the duration of time he's "allowed" to be for his visits with the kids
*Fight for the kids, because even though he certainly leaves something to be desired as a parent, he isn't as bad as Kate.
*Stay out of the tabloids and lay low for awhile.

fidosmommy said...

I used to babysit for a very wealthy family who had plenty of help with the everyday chores. The parents believed that meant they had MORE TIME to spend with their two beautiful daughters, and
that's exactly what they did. Of course, Dad worked, so was only available in the AM, PM and weekends. But when he was home, he was HOME, fully engaged.

These daughters attended the same brand name school the Gosselins do, but in a different city. When the girls were in Kindergarten, the mother decided to spend many hours a month as a volunteer mom at the school and often helped arrange special events for the students and for the school in general. It was really ALL FOR THE KIDS. Her daughters graduated many years ago, but they still remember their mom being there very fondly. So does she.

Kate, Jon, do you have any volunteer hours in you for your 8 kids at that school of theirs?

What exactly do you have on your calendar that is more important than your children? Huh? There is lots out there your kids are (or could be) involved with that could use a few hours of your attention every month or so. Or is it really all about you?

Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged said...

Fear For Jon said, "I think you might be surprised to learn that most men (and not a few women) would NOT consider dating when separated, (especially when it's been months since your spouse told you it's over) adultery."
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Good point and you can count me in the numbers who do not consider it adultery once a person has tried everything conceivable thing to make the marriage work, all to no avail. Once the commitment is honestly faced and acknowledged to be over (no lying, sneaking around), and the parties are no longer living together as a married couple, dating does not = adultery - JMO, and everyone needs to soul search and find their own belief on things like this. (And please spare us all the biblical quotes - many of us grew up with those, too, but not all of us make the same black and white interpretations as some others. Thanks.)

they grow up before you know it said...

Spend time with your children. Spend time with your children.
Spend time with your children.
This will bring you the greatest joy ever.

jibberjabbers said...

He should take all 8 kids to see the Statue of Liberty. Make up for when Kate and TLC had to cancel their trip because he stopped stoppled the filming.

He should also bring along, His mother, brother, Kevin and Jodi.

For the Moment? said...

Jon's actions to me were of a man who was starved for affection, attention and yes most definitely to be with a woman. Can you imagine any sort of intimacy between the two of them even before the hidden separation..it had been a long time for him.

I remember at Christmas that year Kate asked the kids to wrap Jon's present and hide it because he didn't think he was going to get anything. That struck me then as odd but who would have ever thought they were secretly separated.

I will continue to stand by Jon as the better parent, Kate is just more discreet and has people helping her to be so, i.e. a professional bodyguard who knows the ropes when it comes to hiding things. You don't break up a marriage because you had an epiphany on a plane that "we are not going to recover from this." This what?

It wasn't anything Jon did because he never left the house during that time. He was a full time stay at home essentially single dad. And then Kate would come home and rub it into him about going to all the fancy restaurants, the great food, the lobster dinners and all that while he was home struggling with organic. That bothered him--he mentioned that.

I am willing to bet that organic went out the window when the filming stopped for the kids anyway. All that talk about what my kids put in their bodies went out the window when she put them all to shame for nothing at the bus stop.

Barb said...

Jon should sell his NY condo, move back to Pa, seek the advice of his mother and family. Jon should find and hire 2 attorneys, one to handle his divorce and one to handle the TLC lawsuit. Jon should get rid of his sleezy attorney and stay far away from Hailey. Jon should stay away from any 20-something females that may cross his path. Jon should stop being interviewed by ET and the Insider. Jon needs to stop thinking he is a celebrity and come back down to earth and realize his 15 minutes of fame are over and be a father and not a babysitter to his 8 kids.
You are not a celebrity.
You are not a celebrity
You are not a celebrity.
You are being exploited by ET and Insider.
Go home to Pennsylvania
Go home to Pennsylvania
Shut up, Shut up, Shut up.
Shut up, Shut up, Shut up
Stop clinging to celebrity, you are not a celebrity.
Stop listening to anyone who says they want to hear "your" side.. they don't, they just want to exploit you.
You are not a celebrity...have I said that enough???
Jon
Be a Dad to your 8 children.
Be a Dad to your 8 children.
Be a Dad to your 8 children.

Natalie said...

How completely silly are those pictures of him doing yoga?
Is this all part of some huge joke? Because let me tell you, Jon, we're not laughing with you - we're laughing at you!

green first said...

can you say CARBON FOOTPRINT! stay home!

Vanessa said...

How much money was he pulling in BEFORE that they could afford fertility treatments??!! This has NEVER been addressed by them, and I'd like to know why?

HOLY KATE, BATMAN said...

One issue that I have is that so many Kate supporters are skewering Jon for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. If Jon is telling the truth (and I think he is), Kate told him the marriage was over last fall.Jon was the one that wanted to go to counseling. She didn't.


What amuses me is all of these people are slamming Jon for his actions after she showed him the curb...BUT, in one of their first taped recordings, the one where they have Christmas morning together, it appears they are in the pj's together....didn't they 'live together' (gasp! not the holy kate! oh no!!) before they married???

What hypocrites her fans are. They only want to see what they want to see.
And, since I am being holier than thou, didn't she also have PREMARITAL SEX (oh, the horror!!) with her first fiancee???

She's..um..RUINED said...

Vanessa said...
How much money was he pulling in BEFORE that they could afford fertility treatments??!! This has NEVER been addressed by them, and I'd like to know why?

11/09/2009 8:46 AM

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From what I remember, they weren't making ends meet then. They had friends and relatives helping with bills. The twins also had private school scholarships.

I just cannot understand, if you have twins, and can't afford THEM, why do you get the state of PA to pay for expensive medical treatment to produce a litter??

I have tried,REALLY TRIED, to understand her logic. I finally had to admit defeat,and declare that there is no reason to it.

We all live in a world that is round. Kate lives in a world that is square.

and, speaking of not holding them accountable, why didn't morales ask her about their initial financial issues? why did they use the state of PA? why didn't they pay them back?? HMM???????

Shari said...

He should have gone to Nana Janet's funeral. :o(

organizedblogroll said...

Since Kate is such a "victim" maybe she can support him for the rest of his life.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

Not a fan of either said:

What I WISH Jon could do is sue TLC for destroying his family. Oh I know J&K were willing participants, but TLC took full advantage of their ignorance and fame and money hunger and did not (and still don't) care that they destroyed this family.

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If you play with fire you are going to get burned. Unfortunately, TLC is the fire.

Jon and Kate did want fame and money and TLC totally took advantage of that. Corporations like TLC do not care about the damage it does to the families and people involved...they want ratings and money at whatever cost it takes.

As wrong as TLC is Jon and Kate need to be held accountable for willingly signing up to put those children on tv for money. I hope everything gets taken away from them and all that is left is a means to support the kids NEEDS (not wants).

Go Away Gosselins! said...

HOLY KATE BATMAN said:

One issue that I have is that so many Kate supporters are skewering Jon for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. If Jon is telling the truth (and I think he is), Kate told him the marriage was over last fall.Jon was the one that wanted to go to counseling. She didn't.

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I am NOT a Kate supporter and I completely find Jon at fault for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. I don't care if Kate did tell him the marriage was over last fall...they are not divorced yet. This is my opinion but I do not think that it is okay to date (especially get in a serious relationship) when you are not technically divorced.

I also find Jon at fault for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings because he has children to think about (and he did not think about them...he obviously only cares about himself). For him to immediately rebound to Hailey while he is still married is completely insensitive to his children. He took no time to allow the children to transition to the change and was not sympathetic to the tragedy of divorce that the kids are going through.

Again, I find many faults in Kate as well and I do not support her but since this is about Jon I am going to stay on topic and only talk about him and how he was wrong to jump into a relationship with Hailey.

konGOaway said...

For the Moment? said...
I don't think Jon wanted to give up his job. It was Kate complaining all the time..
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I remember when Jon gave an interview in Utah, he mentioned that they decided that they were travelling so much together that it would be better for the kids if one parent stayed home. He said it could be considered abusive that they were gone so much. It was the interview where he stated how the kids were marketable.

Kate was probably getting into the attention, great hotels, clothes and Oh yeh, her bodyguard and decided if Jon was home, her time was her own. It was around that time that she came home an said it was over. One has to wonder what was going on that she decided that her husband was invading her space.

Vanessa said...

She's Ruined: I agree. But I remember they gave the "impression" that they couldn't make ends meet. BUT, they had set up websites telling people they could help by paying their utility bills, and they solicited companies for donations be it goods or gift cards. On the first episode her closets were FILLED with shampoo, lotions, cotton swabs etc. I don't know about you, but I find it quite a contradiction if you cry poor and then have a stockpile of necessities. (if you live paycheque to paycheque than you use a product until it's empty THEN you buy more) They got a van donated to them and exchanged it for a different colour!! They were NEVER in such dire need, they played it up. NO PRIDE!
But going back to my original question/post...HOW DID THEY AFFORD THE FERTILITY TREATMENTS??
Not a single interviewer has asked them that question.
And another thing, how about other famiies of multiples? Why are they not being interviewed and asked "Ok, how much does it REALLY cost for your family to live?" I'd love to hear an acutal dollar figure from those families. I'd also like to hear their total family income and the REAL divorce rate for these families.

shehadaplan said...

"I just cannot understand, if you have twins, and can't afford THEM, why do you get the state of PA to pay for expensive medical treatment to produce a litter??

I have tried,REALLY TRIED, to understand her logic. I finally had to admit defeat,and declare that there is no reason to it. "

It's very simple. She engineered her own multiple birth for the purpose of exploiting them for freebies. That's what she meant when she said "My goals have never changed". That was her goal. Horrible but obvious, now.

Holy Kate, Batman! said...

It isn't that I approve or disapprove of what Jon did or didn't do..she showed him the door, he wanted to work it out, she didn't.

No one is perfect, and heavens knows he was married to a hard nut. I think Jon needs to take a break from women and get some serious counseling.

It's also hard for Kate to take the HIGH MORAL ROAD when she was living with Jon before marriage....really no difference.

But, I still think she had an affair FIRST. She was running all over the country with Steve, Jon was at home with the kids. This is about the time she really got into her looks, clothes, etc. She usually dresses the most 'hooker-ish' when he is around.

She's..um..RUINED said...

About the time it all hit the fan, wasn't there a disc jockey up north somewhere that actually saw kate and steve holding hands in a hotel??

TLC must have some deep connections...there is so much more to dig up on Kate, yet no one dares go there.
makes you go....hmm....

mommadiane5 said...

So many great posts. I think Jon should open a Korean restaurant. Get his Mom and Grandma involved with recipes and hiring cooks, etc. Jon can greet people. He's friendly and enjoys people. Sure, people would come at first, to be nosy( I would), but, if the food and service is good...they will come back. I think he could be successful. We have several places in our area that we go to a lot, have for years and they know us. You walk in the door and they ask if you want your usual.

I think Kate could be a tupperware lady. I know. Hear me out. Not the kind of tupperware lady that comes to your house. Because no one would want to invite her to their house. She could have the parties at her house. People will come to see her house ( I would) and you know you would buy something.

I am a Libra and a dreamer. ha!

For the Moment? said...

She Is Ruined...

Re: Steve and Kate holding hands.

There was a video on You Tube playing a love song and multiple shots of them holding hands. Not sure how I found it but may be still there. It was on the same page as the pair that does the hilarious reenactments--the two gusy.

Im_in_PR said...

I am NOT a Kate supporter and I completely find Jon at fault for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. I don't care if Kate did tell him the marriage was over last fall...they are not divorced yet. This is my opinion but I do not think that it is okay to date (especially get in a serious relationship) when you are not technically divorced.

I think the situation is complicated because of the way that Kate and TLC seemingly paid or threated Jon for Jon's silence when Kate dumped him.

As much as I hate to say it, it seems unrealistic of Kate and TLC to expect a grown man to be in a sexless situation for years just so Kate can pimp her kids out longer.

Swissmiss150 said...

It's my understanding that Jon's father - a dentist - helped them out a lot financially during his lifetime and also left them money in his will.

Jon's Options said...

Moving back into the Elizabethtown house... and enrolling in college classes. Spending time with his kids. Showing that he not only hopes to offer them a "normal" life, but support them to the best of his ability as well. Jon could go into Elementary Education (he's good with kids...and we need more male teachers), nursing (if Kate can do it, surely Jon can), carpentry, plumbing, radiology tech, firefighter, EMT, etc. I'd stay away from IT, 'cause that's too easy to farm out to India/China/Egypt/etc. Need a hands-on Job.

Sarah Gold said...

She's..um..RUINED said...
About the time it all hit the fan, wasn't there a disc jockey up north somewhere that actually saw kate and steve holding hands in a hotel??

TLC must have some deep connections...there is so much more to dig up on Kate, yet no one dares go there.
makes you go....hmm....

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It was Mojo in the morning in Detroit.
Here is the link to that interview

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DETROIT-MI/WKQIM-IP/2009-05-15-050196-15.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DETROIT-MI&NG_FORMAT=personality&SITE_ID=4449&STATION_ID=WKQIM-IP&PCAST_AUTHOR=MOJO_IN_THE_MORNING&PCAST

Closerfan said...

1. Move back to PA..live with your mom if you have to.

2. Stop talking to the media, ex-girlfriends and friends about your current situation.

3. Stay away from Michael Lohan. He's got his own problems with Lindsey and Dina.

4. Forget about the book deal, Nutrasystem endorsement, and television interviews.

5. Go back to school to upgrade your IT certificate or pursue other options. I personally think you'd make a good social worker.

6. Make a real effort to start saving money for the kids instead of spending on yourself. After all, it's their money.

7. If you're breaking up with Hailey then just do it. Indecisions about simple matters will only add to TLC's ridiculous
lawsuit.

8. Do some research to find your next attorney. This time, make sure he's actually allowed to practice law.

wasted opportunities said...

How 'bout this Jon. Get a little cabin in the woods. When your children are off from school, bring them there, be in seclusion, enjoy the outdoors and bond with your children.

Ok wait, you already have such a cool property that is a goldmine for adventures for your children.

Explore the opportunities for life long experiences that are right under your nose. Oh, and put up a huge fence.and stop talking to random scumbag "media".and relax and realize that all of this attention means nothing in the long run. and realize you're children do. and etc.....

stopthemadness said...

1. Lawyer
2. Career coach/manager - he will never make enough in IT with his background to pay Kate's chid support. There have to be some opportunities for a guy with his low talent and high clickability, to make some money
3. And this is not in any particular order or if it were this would be #1, do WHATEVER the judge tells you to do to maintain custody of your kids; as much as you can get. First they need you - secondly - OMG - if you don't Kate will use them to make herself wealthy and bury you in doing so. At least if you keep half custody you can protect them and make sure whatever she is trying to do to leverage them, you have some say in it, to protect them or, if needs be, the kids have to support themselves and you both- which is entirely possible - at least you can have a say in how that looks.

BarbMae said...

Jon should not be suing TLC for 5 million. Just shows what a money grubbing whore he is or should I say that sleazy lawyer of his is. Jon can't possibly win against TLC w/Heller.

For the Moment? said...

I just went to so sugary and there is a picture there of Jon with a children's book and I got an idea of what Jon can do to make money and save precious memories for the children (and beef up that sadly deficient college fund).

He could gather up all the kids' art work, cards, notes, etc. (that Kate hasn't thrown away) and co-author with someone to put it into book form (like Beth) and put his name on it (like Kate). I thought of all the artwork that Kate put in the garbage that I as a fan of the kids would love to see. Children's artwork is very telling, as in how they see the world.

I remember when my grandparents passed it was not the material things that everyone wanted...it was all the mementos they had saved over a period of many, many years.

JFaye said...

Getting a job.
Getting a house for his kids.
Getting primary custody of his children.
Getting as much time with his children as possible.
Getting whatever help (counseling) he will need to cope with Kate Gosselin and her controlling personality for the rest of his children's lives.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Clearly, Jon suffers from a lack of job skills, at least the kind that can support a family (of any size). He needs to take some of the cash earned from the show and go back to school - get some skills, qualifications in an area that interests him. He also should have enough cash to start a business, if that's what appeals to him. Those are his 2 options, and he better chose one fast.

Pilgrim Soul said...

"I am NOT a Kate supporter and I completely find Jon at fault for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. I don't care if Kate did tell him the marriage was over last fall...they are not divorced yet. This is my opinion but I do not think that it is okay to date (especially get in a serious relationship) when you are not technically divorced."

Maybe Jon jumped into soon and was to vocal, but I have to disagree with the above. Divorce can takes years. Escpecially in NY state, where I live and I was divorced. My ex left me for another woman when our baby was just 9 months old. The court said he had every right to pursue a personal relationship and he did (although he was ordered to keep his girlfriend away from our child for a year). A few months later, I, too started dating, and was a much happier person for it. Divorce can take years and years... Life can't just stop. I don't think there's anything wrong with dating responsibly. That's where Jon went wrong. He dated a bunch of bimbos and put it all out in the media. Made himself a sitting duck.

PA Woman said...

Pilgrim Soul said...
Maybe Jon jumped into soon and was to vocal, but I have to disagree with the above. Divorce can takes years. Escpecially in NY state, where I live and I was divorced. My ex left me for another woman when our baby was just 9 months old. The court said he had every right to pursue a personal relationship and he did (although he was ordered to keep his girlfriend away from our child for a year). A few months later, I, too started dating, and was a much happier person for it. Divorce can take years and years... Life can't just stop. I don't think there's anything wrong with dating responsibly. That's where Jon went wrong. He dated a bunch of bimbos and put it all out in the media. Made himself a sitting duck.

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I have to agree with this. Life does go on, and we can't plan when we may meet the right person. I also agree that he made bad choices in women, but they are his choices to live with.

PA Woman said...

Pilgrim Soul said...
Clearly, Jon suffers from a lack of job skills, at least the kind that can support a family (of any size). He needs to take some of the cash earned from the show and go back to school - get some skills, qualifications in an area that interests him. He also should have enough cash to start a business, if that's what appeals to him. Those are his 2 options, and he better chose one fast.

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Do we actually know he doesn't have skills? On the kitchen remodel show he said he had worked in that area. Carpenters and any type of craftsman can make a pretty good living. He may have other hidden talents we don't know about. For example, he put together the specs for his motorcycle and helped work on it. Another potential area.

Not that I'm knocking education, I have a MS degree, but not everyone needs a college education to earn a respectable living.

jasmine said...

Now TLC has deposed Kate Major. Next, it will be Stephanie the babysitter. What a motley crew of witnesses. They have all been paid off by tabloids, appeared on television, or have a conflict of interest. I don't think any of these witnesses are even credible. If Kate Gosselin was smart, she would join Jon and sue TLC with him. She should realize that it is only a matter of time before they throw her under the bus also. They are already going after the Gosselins' business. She is just too brainwashed into thinking TLC will take care of her. Jon should be hiring good lawyers, not some media hungry leaches like the Hellers.

She's...um..RUINED said...

2. Career coach/manager - he will never make enough in IT with his background to pay Kate's chid support.
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Child support depends on what type of custody is arranged.

If Kate gets primary custody, Jon only has to pay a % of what he earns..In Texas, the chart goes by children and wages earned, and then the number of kids hits 6+.

If he gets 50/50 custody, he wouldn't have to pay her a dime. They would split 50/50 medical and dental (maybe school, but if Jon can't earn it, the judge can't award it).

You can't get blood out of a turnip, and the way TLC is going, Jon is not going to be very employable. By not defending Jon, Kate is probably hurting herself and the kids in the long run.

So many think this whole divorce thing is a sham, and I like conspiracies...BUT, I believe Jodi and Kevin to be credible. So when Jon told them about Kate giving him the boot last fall, I believe them.

Pilgrim Soul said...

I agree, PA Woman, good carpentary skills are worth their weight in gold, but from what I remember reading (and I'd like to be wrong), Jon worked very briefly in a kichen showroom, I believe in sales. Unless I'm missing something, the Microsoft certification is the most training/experience/education he has. How those two could intentionally create a brood so large, without Jon developing some hard core marketable skills is mind boggling. Unless, of course, the show was their plan all along... ;)

Melissa said...

Shari said...

He should have gone to Nana Janet's funeral. :o(

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I'm going to assume her family didn't WANT the Gosselins there - who wants a funeral to turn into a media circus?

I do wonder if Jon or Kate told either of the kids of Janet's demise - or if they had alienated her so deeply that the kids don't even remember her...
Either way, it's sad to think about.

PA Woman said...

Pilgrim Soul said...
I agree, PA Woman, good carpentary skills are worth their weight in gold, but from what I remember reading (and I'd like to be wrong), Jon worked very briefly in a kichen showroom, I believe in sales. Unless I'm missing something, the Microsoft certification is the most training/experience/education he has. How those two could intentionally create a brood so large, without Jon developing some hard core marketable skills is mind boggling. Unless, of course, the show was their plan all along... ;)

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I was also basing the carpentry comment on what we have seen on the show. Jon has done some work around both houses (booths for parties, attic remodel, the swing set). Yes, none of it was too elaborate, but he seemed to know what he was doing and also enjoy it. Jon just always seems to want to be doing something more physical. I don't really see him being happy at all doing anything that involves a desk.

Yes, he has to have the motivation first, but if he looked at something that actually interested him rather then just going to school for something then he might actually find something he could be successful at.

sandy said...

Pilgrim Soul said...
I agree, PA Woman, good carpentary skills are worth their weight in gold, but from what I remember reading (and I'd like to be wrong), Jon worked very briefly in a kichen showroom, I believe in sales. Unless I'm missing something, the Microsoft certification is the most training/experience/education he has. How those two could intentionally create a brood so large, without Jon developing some hard core marketable skills is mind boggling. Unless, of course, the show was their plan all along...
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ITA.
Ive always wished J AND K would have been asked this in an inteview.

A skill or education is not just for the jobs. It also gives you a sense of self and acomplishment and identity.

Jon does not have this and thats why hes out just spinning away.

question said...

Children's artwork is very telling, as in how they see the world. ____________

How come we don't see drawings the kids did. I am not speaking of church/school assisted crafts, but crayons to paper drawings.

I guess they are afraid we would see their development stage or worse yet the psychologists among us would have lots to say.

Was it the xmas episode where Maddy drew a pic of the family with just 4 people

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HOLY KATE, BATMAN said...
One issue that I have is that so many Kate supporters are skewering Jon for having a relationship during the divorce proceedings. If Jon is telling the truth (and I think he is), Kate told him the marriage was over last fall.Jon was the one that wanted to go to counseling. She didn't.


What amuses me is all of these people are slamming Jon for his actions after she showed him the curb...BUT, in one of their first taped recordings, the one where they have Christmas morning together, it appears they are in the pj's together....didn't they 'live together' (gasp! not the holy kate! oh no!!) before they married???

What hypocrites her fans are. They only want to see what they want to see.
And, since I am being holier than thou, didn't she also have PREMARITAL SEX (oh, the horror!!) with her first fiancee???
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i remember this- he gave her a pair of unnerwares

Also if they were not "living together" before the wedding day, and she was pegnant for her first anniversary, how can she say she struggled with infertility.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Simple. She never struggled. For reasons beyond me, and most everyone on GWOP, she convinced some doctor to give her fertility drugs when she was 24 and had been married only a few months. Kate claims she "just had a hunch she'd have difficulty conceiving." I've never met a doctor who prescribed drugs for a hunch and not hard core medical findings. Kate has claimed to suffer from PCOS, although she has never discussed this subject in any depth and has never offered her services as a spokesperson for the condition.

Back In Ohio said...

Although I'm not a fan of Kate and I have no personal knowledge of her medical history, the symptoms of PCOS can be quite obvious and often begin in adolescence. The symptoms can be distressing and often embarrassing. Depending on the severity of her PCOS, her fertility impairment may have warranted early and aggressive treatment. IMO though, the fact that she ended up with high order multiples does somewhat call into question the competency of her physicians.

Teresa said...

"What hypocrites her fans are. They only want to see what they want to see.
And, since I am being holier than thou, didn't she also have PREMARITAL SEX (oh, the horror!!) with her first fiancee???

i remember this- he gave her a pair of unnerwares..."
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This posting reminded me that K8 lived with her fiance AND his parents from being 19 or 20 years old. They said she never paid any rent or bought any groceries,or even helped with any housework. When she had her 21st party at a hotel with HER friends, her fiance went to look for her only to find out she slept with another guy and took off with him in the morning, that's when her fiance called off the wedding. The following year she met Jon and the rest is history.
Not only is she a liar, and a hypocrite, she is also a two-timing skank who took advantage of people way back then. I wonder if her former fiance and his parents are counting their blessings now. Whew, what a narrow escape they had.

Teresa said...

p.s I meant her 21st birthday party.

Falling away......... said...

I just "have a hunch" that Kate never had PCOS. She was a nurse and knew what to tell the doctors. But I have to question the integrity and ethics of a doctor who would prescribe fertility drugs based on a woman's "hunch." My daughter has PCOS, had an ovary removed, and was still able to have one beautiful baby without fertility drugs!

Pilgrim Soul said...

Falling away - I agree. I know several women with very obvious symptoms of PCOS (facial hair, weight issues, irregular cycles, etc...). A few conceived naturally, after some hormone treatment. One did have fertility treatment - but she had to wait two years from her initial doctor's visit to discuss her desire to get pregnant, and her insurance company approving the treatment. Something is fishy about Kate's story.

Vanessa said...

For one, he can get off tv.(wtf was he doing on The Insider panel last night?) He loves skiing, why not be an instructor or find an investor to help him open up a ski equipment shop? He said last night that his new profession is TV, that lots of opportunities have become available to him. ??
The man should just keep quiet, he sounded like a high school kid who couldn't get his point across because he was so nervous. Like we've been saying to Khate, GET OFF TV AND GET BACK TO YOUR KIDS!

For the Moment? said...

One good thing about the witness list, they can all be discredited by Jon's attorney, due to the fact that they all cashed in on their 15 minutes of fame. Where is Gloria Allred...why does Jon not hire her to help him fight this monster. He needs to be working on it, it appears that Kate certainly is...what w/ all the paperwork in hand that she streams in and out of Kinko's with. Speaking of which, strangely, last time I looked to photo ops on so sugary of Kate taking care of business, pumping gas, etc.

Starz22 said...

I think Jon needs to demand that Kate under go a psychological evaluation.There is really something wrong with this woman,more than what we already have figured out on this site.

We all know that Kate needs to be in control of everything.We all have seen how Kate reacts when things dont go the way she demands them to go.I'm thinking about how she is with the kids.

She seems to get GREAT satisfaction of having the control she has over the kids.She is the GOD over the kids...Kate can give and she can take it away.Its like she dangles a little bit of joy in front of the kids,and then almost gets a RUSH from taking it away from them.
I'm hope Im getting this out right.
Like it almost pains her to allow the kids to do or have anything fun.Like when the kids made pictures for her...they had fun and joy doing that,maybe too much fun that kate didnt think they deserved,so she in the end was God and tossed the pictures out.
The watergate issue.We all know what went down..But after kate took her big swig the way she looked at Maddy was almost frightening.If you look at some of kates "worst moments" you can see her giving Jon and the kids some pretty nasty stares and sadistic grins.When she can stop an activity or punnish one of the kids,she seems to get a high from it...again a rush.

Sorry this was so long...not sure if I got out what I was trying to say.There is really something wrong with Kate.I have fear for the kids when this woman finally snaps.I think Jon needs to start busting his ass trying to get help for the kids.Parenting classes,theropy,anything.He has all the proof he needs caught on 5 years of dvds.
Jon!Keep your butt at home...compile your evidence...and protect your kids!

Lawyer in SA said...

Until the divorce is finalized, I think Jon should just lay low, exercise his visitation, go to the gym, do yoga, go to church or temple (whatever he wants) be photographed as much as he can with his children, and do selective media interviews to rebut negative press.

I don't think it is wise to swear off interviews, period. He has to get the truth out there, and lies have to be corrected. Kate has to know that he she lies in an interview, he will rebut it with truth.

I don't think it is practical to expect him to "get a job" at this point. Who would hire him with all the press sniffing around, hovering with cameras? The paparazzi follows him everywhere, all day, everyday. I would not hire Jon for that reason alone. The risks would be too great. Customers would be scared off, employees would tire of the distraction and drama. NO thanks.

The same thing with going to school. How would that work? Paparazzi waiting for him outside the lecture hall? Lovely.

I do think he should stay away from women, particularly Hailey Glassman. She is just too immature and kind of wacky. The last ET interview was ridiculous -- the last straw. I get the crazy vibe from her.

And Jon should spend MORE time in Hawaii with his family.

(BTW -- for the person who questioned him flying first class -- this is generally done for privacy and security. Like it or not, Jon is a public figure. He can just sit in the emergency row and not expect cameras in his face, autograph requests, people texting tabloids about his every single move.)

For the Moment? said...

Jon is so good at sports he should use his celebrity status to help children who don't have the opportunities that were given to his kids...like ski camp...snowboarding, ice and roller skating. Trips that kids could win by writing an essay. I am sure he could get sponsors for this and also it would make great TV as the kids wouldn't be exploited..it would be a one time opportunity. There are lots of kids out there who have dont have the fathers involved in their live at all.

Pilgrim Soul said...

I think it's a great time for Jon to buckle down and go back to school - college, trade school, whatever. Get some business background and open a winter sporting good shop. Or go get some training as a motorcycle mechanic. Whatever. Get some solid skills, stay out of the limelight. A judge would look very favorably on a father who was bettering himself in this way. Stay away from the women and stop chasing fading notoriety. Whoever said the Gosselins are like lottery winners who plow through the cash and then have nothing were right on the nose.

Button Button said...

For the Moment? said...
Jon is so good at sports he should use his celebrity status to help children who don't have the opportunities that were given to his kids...like ski camp...snowboarding, ice and roller skating. Trips that kids could win by writing an essay. I am sure he could get sponsors for this and also it would make great TV as the kids wouldn't be exploited..it would be a one time opportunity. There are lots of kids out there who have dont have the fathers involved in their live at all.

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Those are wonderful ideas! But I can't help but wonder if sponsors would be so easy to find. I think Pennsylvania has had their fill of these grifters.