Request to the Sheeple

I pulled this out of the other thread where it was out of place.

Thanks to my9cats.

Will a sheeple please take the time to write and explain the attraction of Kate, leaving out the tired stock phrases, "yer just jellus, a hater, she has 8 count 'em 8 kids, you should walk in her shoes. Blah blah blah." Take your time and THINK carefully before writing.

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formy9lives said...

my9lives wrote...
Will a sheeple please take the time to write and explain the attraction of Kate, leaving out the tired stock phrases, "yer just jellus, a hater, she has 8 count 'em 8 kids, you should walk in her shoes. Blah blah blah." Take your time and THINK carefully before writing.
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I'll be happy to give it a shot. For the recrod, I am a 28-year-old female, good job, boyfriend, normal family, etc.

It's slightly difficult to put into words, and I am sure most of you will say that this post explains nothing.

Mostly, I find Kate amusing. She has a dry humor that I like. While you all will say she profits off the kids, I say that she has found a unique opportunity to provide a great life for her kids. They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???

As for her attitude, I think that everyone taped you they could find a few snippy comments to pull out and make you look just like Kate. They could me, and my friends and coworkers would say I am an extremely nice person.

I think one very key thing that everyone forgets on this blog is that this show is edited. TLC edits it to make you go crazy on the blogs and to entertain the audience. I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week.



I think that all of you are way over the top with your criticism of her and take everything to the extreme. Who really care if she wears heels? I wear heels to the grocery store, to the mall, etc. It's really not that abnormal. Also, for the recent commentors on she purposely lost her keys for a few shots with the paps. Seriously? They were already there, had gotten pics, what's the point.

Now, do I stand in line 6 hours to see her? No. Did I buy the boo? No b/c I knew I probably wouldn't learn much. Do I think Kate exaggerates some? Sure, don't we all.

But this hatred that you guys have is strange and over the top. How can you have so much feeling for someone you don't know and see very little of their life.

pj said...

my9cats said...
Will a sheeple please take the time to write and explain the attraction of Kate, leaving out the tired stock phrases, "yer just jellus, a hater, she has 8 count 'em 8 kids, you should walk in her shoes. Blah blah blah." Take your time and THINK carefully before writing.


I doubt any sheeple read here so the likelihood of getting one to respond to a question posted here is remote.

While I don't and won't defend Kate, I do not understand the viewpoint that Jon is a good father. Those 8 kids have TWO awful parents.

Yes, Kate's attire is questionable at best; Jon's is equally bad. it is assumed the kids are embarassed by the way Kate dressed but we heard Mady tell Jon on the twins birthday that she didn't like how he was dressed. (We have also herd her complain about talking to reporters and the way his car smells.)

People rightfully criticized Kate being on the phone all time through the summer and fall; it is equally bad for Jon to be on the phone or at the fence when he is with the kids.

Kate gets criticized for only taking the kids places when she is being filmed; that is true of Jon as well.

Kate rightfully gets criticized for saying derogatory things about Jon but there is very little criticism about the the equally horrible things Jon has said about Kate in public.

I do understand why you want to know what Kate's fans see in her but I am curious as to why Jon is held to a different standard than Kate and why his behavior (when it is identical to Kates) is excused.
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Lanced said...

my9cats said...

Will a sheeple please take the time to write and explain the attraction of Kate, leaving out the tired stock phrases, "yer just jellus, a hater, she has 8 count 'em 8 kids, you should walk in her shoes. Blah blah blah." Take your time and THINK carefully before writing.

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They love her because they are just like her. Yes, there are more Kates out there than we think. Scary, huh?

Betty said...

PJ, I see comments here every day about things that Jon has done wrong. I see him called selfish, immature, narcissistic, and self-absorbed.

heather said...

PJ,
You have some great points and I agree with most of what you say.

I actually do like Kate and read here more for the entertainment and to keep up with gossip. Other sites just don't have enough comments and don't post new comments quick enough to be of interest to me.

However, I will say I disagree with 95% of the anti-Kate comments here. But I still like reading about the Gosselins and you all make me laugh.

Snerk said...

As for her attitude, I think that everyone taped you they could find a few snippy comments to pull out and make you look just like Kate.

I'm no saint and yes if you filmed me constantly I'm sure you'd find a snippy comment here and there, but these episodes are FULL of them. You'd have to film me for literally years to get as many as Kate utters in one episode and I've never been as disrepectful of people consistently like Kate has. One slip here and there is one thing but the arrogant queenly attitude is completely another.

As far as editing goes, they can't edit in what she doesn't do. They are filming three to four days to get each 30 minute episode. Even the nastiest person I know would be hard pressed to keep up with as many nasty comments as Kate manages if we even assume that every one makes the episode.

dustilies said...

Thank you formy9lives! You articulated the issues of how TLC edits this show for drama. And how little we actually see of her life. And also that Kate really does try to be funny.

I sort of saw her the same way at first, but I then I noticed that she could dish it the "teasing," but couldn't take it (from Jon or the kids).

Also, if TLC is grossly misrepresenting her behavior, she either doesn't care or doesn't realize it (and we know she watches the final cut of the show). Seems weird to me. Like why let yourself be made into something you aren't on national tv? When your kids are going to watch it?

Anyway, thanks for sticking your neck out and giving your perspective on things.

pogo said...

Pj, I think you got that a little backwards. The press, media shows and Kate all put Jon down for anything he does. While Kate is glorified a wonderful struggling mother of 8 (BOOHOO)who does this all by herself(NOT! she has volenteers, nannies and bestest friends who watch her kids, I would not be surprised if some of theses people cooked for her as well and do the housework, anyone who gets their nails done on a regular basis does little or no housework or cooking, and Kate looks as if she does little) and that anything she says is correct and anything Jon says is bad. He was even put down for stopping the filming. Kate saw nothing wrong with filming, infact according to her it was a regular natural normal thing. Well, tell me how many of you have film crews living in your house 24/7? These poor kids are gonna be the victims of cruel jokes when they are older(if not now) by classmates and peers. Children can be cruel, I know I lived through that. Kate has taken and embraced Fame/TLC, to the extent of her children, husband, GOD, and her family and friends. One could say that Fame/TLC is the Devil. I will be glad when this show is gone and those kids can have a somewhat normal life.

formy9lives said...

dustilies wrote...

Also, if TLC is grossly misrepresenting her behavior, she either doesn't care or doesn't realize it (and we know she watches the final cut of the show). Seems weird to me. Like why let yourself be made into something you aren't on national tv? When your kids are going to watch it?

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Thanks!

I have wondered about this myself. I am surprised Kate does not try to make her look better in some cases. Maybe she doesn't have as much control over editing as she sometimes alludes to? I don't know.

Me personally, if I was Kate, read these blogs, and saw this stuff people wrote about me, I would have a word with TLC! There have to be some nice moments they could put in, but I truly believe TLC chooses these episodes for the drama.

Jane in California said...

"I'll be happy to give it a shot. For the recrod, I am a 28-year-old female, good job, boyfriend, normal family, etc."

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First of all, whoever you are, thank you for responding and giving your point of view.

While you are correct that none among us is perfect, that we all have our bad days or moments, and that we've all said or done things we regret -- that is not the same as what we've see from Kate Gosselin.

The first difference is that Kate doesn't really think she's ever done or said anything very wrong. If you read this blog consistently, or even if you only read the "most hated moments" thread, you will see example after example of some truly terrible behavior and "parenting" by Kate.

Putting a sick child on the laundry room floor (a cement floor I believe), then leaving him lying there alone and shutting the door, because you are more worried he might get some vomit on his comforter than you are with his well being -- that is not simply a "bad moment." That's downright neglectful parenting and cruel and unkind to boot. Have you done anything like this to a child or sick person?

Let me put it this way -- if you were caring for your sick elderly parent and they were vomiting -- would you make them lay down on a laundry room floor on a thin blanket, then leave them lying there alone while you leave and shut the door on them? Is that even humane?

Let's take another example. Colin in the furniture store. He is in serious pain, with apparently impacted bowels. Kate shows no concern for the well being of Colin, instead pushing him off to Jon to deal with.

That's not just a bad moment - that's a mother who doesn't care that her own son is in pain and needs some help right away!

You are 28 years old, you have a boyfriend and family, but I don't think you have children (yet). Maybe after you have a child of your own, you might change your perception of Kate Gosselin.

I know that there is nothing I won't do for my son. I would literally lay down my life to save his. When he is sick or in pain, he becomes my first priority and all else can wait. I certainly would never treat him worse than a sick dog and place him on a cold cement floor when he was sick. I would never ignore his pain in the pursuit of free bunk beds. I would never make him cry brokenheartedly by threatening to take away a comfort item of his just because it has a speck of gum on it. I would never say he was 'icky' or gross. I would never turn him away when he came to me asking if he could help me make a special 4th of July cake.

I am far from a perfect mother. I get irritated and when I'm tired or frustrated, I've been known to holler at him. He tells me sometimes that I don't listen. But I can say in all honestly that I've never been intentionally cruel to him, nor ever neglected him when he needed me. I am always there for him, and he is the most important person in my life.

Kate offends me because she is everything a mother should not be.

Midnight Serenade said...

"I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week."

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What about passing judgment on someone you know personally?

Kathleen said...

formy9lives, I direct you here and ask if you still have the same "respect" (is that what you would call it?) for Mrs. Gosselin.

http://www.drlillianglass.com/blog/

This is a woman who verbally abuses her children & husband.

Her behavior is appalling. She's an abominable woman.

iluveeyore said...

I love Kate's warmth and just plain "human-ness." I love her shoes, purses, and hair. I love the way she has approached the breakup of her marriage with such class. I love the obvious way her children are in her mind from the minute she wakes up to the minute she goes to sleep. I love the way she looks in a bikini. I love the way she is so tight with her family.

But most of all -- I love her lip-liner.

Huh? OH -- never mind.

livnluv said...

formy9lives said...
I think one very key thing that everyone forgets on this blog is that this show is edited. TLC edits it to make you go crazy on the blogs and to entertain the audience. I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week.
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Actually, I think you are right about the editing. And an edited life is not a realistic life. And if Kate is edited so are Jon and the kids. Which means, in your own words, TLC is USING THIS FAMILY and especially the kids for our entertainment. These are real children. And this is sooooo wrong.

Things don't replace parents said...

posted by formy9lives: "They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???"

I think those kids would give it all back (if they could) in exchange for 2 parents who loved & respected each other.

It's nice to have nice "things".
However, it's essential to have a mentally healthy childhood.

If all it took to be a functioning member of society is a nice house, pool, & trips, then there wouldn't be so many Hollywood rich kids in drug rehab right now.

Sidney said...

Last Monday night's episode, never before seen footage,of Kate on her book tour gave us a look at some sheeple who were trying to get their hair to look like Kate's.

One woman in particular was absolutely giddy, talking about what she needs to do to get her hair more like Kate's. This woman was hyperventilating and salivating, talking of how beautiful and famous Kate is, and her own hair.

I was floored to see an adult female behaving this way about any other person!

Yep, the Kate Worshippers are alive and thriving. Kate may be around a lot longer than any of us expect or want. There was love in that room that was absolutely palpable.

I cannot understand it but it is very real.

PA Woman said...

pj said...
I do understand why you want to know what Kate's fans see in her but I am curious as to why Jon is held to a different standard than Kate and why his behavior (when it is identical to Kates) is excused.

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I posted a comment very similar to yours on a site with true Sheeples. I used similar examples to yours in reverse since they constantly talk about how much they hate Jon, what a terrible father he is etc.

The answer I got was, "it doesn't matter what Kate does, because we love her".

I don't think you will find many here that love Jon. You will find several willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since he seems to have the kids best interest in mind, i.e. taking them off the show. I think everyone will acknowledge he has stumbled terribly along the way.

Penny said...

pj said...While I don't and won't defend Kate, I do not understand the viewpoint that Jon is a good father. Those 8 kids have TWO awful parents.
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Agreed. Neither is a great parent in my book. But, I think the reason Kate gets the worst of it here is because she seems to think everything she does is golden and just fine.

I know in my case I think Jon has made some very, very bad decisions. And, I've seen him own up to them being bad decisions and then, at least, trying to change
his behavior. I have NEVER heard Kate own up to doing anything wrong, let alone even try to change her horrid behavior. Everything that she admits to being over the top, she always gives some off-handed ludicrous excuse as to why she did it and her excuse is always laid on the back of someone else (usually Jon).

Secondly, you only need watch a few episodes to see the genuine feelings that Jon has for his children. I just don't see the same thing in Kate's eyes. For example, when she took the kids to gymnastics she didn't really interact with them. She seems to like to sit back and let others do things with her kids (like when she used to sit on her white plastic throne while they played) instead of doing things with them herself. In the baseball episode, Jon was right there along with the kids interacting with them. We've seen this distinction is countless episodes.

And, finally, Jon has said some harsh things about Kate (like he despises her). Yet, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't ever heard him say or imply that she is a bad mother or does not love her kids. Kate hints at it all.the.time.ad.nauseum. She bashed Jon over and over and over in episodes and spoke very harshly to him most of the time belittling him. The only thing I remember Jon saying that seemed out of the way is when he told Kate to "get the stick out".

Again, not defending Jon's actions in any way, shape, or form. Just giving you my opinion of why people here are harsher towards Kate than Jon.

Vanessa said...

Did TLC edit the fact that she wouldn't accept cribs that didn't match? That she returned a van because she didn't like the colour? That she tore a strip off Jon because his father was late with her lunch? That she made Jody and Kevin pay for half a cow that she received for free? That she duped the public into coughing up "love offerings" when they could pay their own way? That she sells donated items at a consignment store? That she refused to let Kevin & Jody get paid for their invlovement in the show? She's NOT amusing, she's horrible.

Megalynn said...

Jane from Cali....so well said. Thank you for that post.

KatyKat said...

Formy9lives...

You do sound normal :), but there's one aspect of your life that may change, and therefore, may change your view of Kate. You are not a mother.

I used to be a teacher, always around kids. Then I became pregnant (11 yrs. ago) and quit teaching. Let me tell you, if I ever go back, I will be a far better teacher because I now understand that for every child there is a mother willing to sacrifice her life for that child. No matter how that child behaves, there is a mother that will love him unconditionally. That child is the light of someone's life.

I DO NOT see this instinct in Kate. She expects the kids to sacrifice their childhoods for her. She lacks that protective instinct that would make her want to protect her kids from anything harmful or humiliating.

That is my issue w/ Kate.

She's..um..RUINED said...

My9ninelives,

Please get back to us when you have your own children.

There is no justification for Kate verbally insulting Jon in front of the kids. The only person it makes look bad is KATE. What she does is nothing short of emotional abuse of her children.

Like I said, come back when you have a child of your own. You might just change your mind.

Tami said...

Actually for the person commenting that they find the dislike of her so strange, I find it warranted. I have a hatred for child abusers, those who profit off the weakness of others, etc, also. I do find what she is doing to her kids and what she did to Jon, abuse. She is a horrible user. And I find the intense LIKE and even LOVE of her by strangers even more bizarre. You have given no reasons to like, only reasons trying to justify that she isn't so bad! And that is not dry humor! That is called insecurity, nastiness and sarcasm. Dry humor is not mean spirited and hateful, nor insulting and spiteful.

Tami said...

For #2, come on..having a car that smells, chatting with paps and and not dressing nicely hardly makes someone a bad father. Bad dressing alone would not make Kate a poor excuse for a mother. She has evil qualities that Jon will never have and her dressing is not just bad. It is disrespectful of her kids to go out looking like a hooker with her body hanging out and trying to be sexual in the way she dresses 99% of the time.

MelissaTx said...

posted by formy9lives: "They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???"

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Makes me think of one of my favorite lines:
Measure your wealth not by the things you have, but by the things for which you would not take money.

Down With Kate said...

One woman in particular was absolutely giddy, talking about what she needs to do to get her hair more like Kate's. This woman was hyperventilating and salivating, talking of how beautiful and famous Kate is, and her own hair.
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Those were some scary women! I was creeped out. Funny thing is, as much as they love Kate, Kate seems to be annoyed and disgusted by them. She has no warm feelings toward fans at all and is just now starting to acknowledge that she is nothing without the few she does have. But that is just out of desperation and a last grasp at her final 15 minutes.

silimom said...

Formy9lives:

Thank you for sharing your perspective. You were respectful and considerate and you put yourself out there. Again, thank you.

You brought up a number of good points. I too felt at first that she had found a unique way of providing for her family and what was so bad about that? In and of itself, nothing really. However, one of the things I have come to find distasteful over the past "seasons" is her lack of perspective and boundaries when it comes to the impact this show has on her life and the lives of her children.

Others have discussed the times her sons were sick with either the stomach flu or having bowel issues and her reactions. What should have been her first response was "Sorry, sick children, we need to stop filming right now. We'll pick up again later when they're better." Or "Sorry, we're bathing/potty training - privates are private. You can film when they're dressed again/ready for bed." I could go on and on with examples.

The bottom line is that somewhere along this path, Kate's unique way of providing for her family took precedence over actually caring for her family. I feel a great deal of pity for her, actually. In the end, she will have nothing to show except a failed marriage, 8 children that she has admitted she doesn't have the emotional resources to parent and a sense of entitlement that the world owes her and her children a lifestyle they've grown accustomed to but can't possibly afford.

mkh mommy said...

KatyKat,

Totally agree. Excellent point. Similar experience here as a mom & now ass't Kindergarten teacher. Although 5 & 6 yr olds can certainly misbehave and test one's nerves & patience, every child deserves to be treated with love, respect and dignity.

silimom said...

One woman in particular was absolutely giddy, talking about what she needs to do to get her hair more like Kate's. This woman was hyperventilating and salivating, talking of how beautiful and famous Kate is, and her own hair.


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Ok, to be fair to Kate, if I had people like that repeatedly showing up where I was speaking etc. I'd probably get freaked out too and ask for a bodyguard.

lifeoriley said...

Jon really is not held to a different standard than Kate--if you look at past posts, there are many anti-Jon comments here as well.
I don't think of Jon as some kind of perfect parent, either, however, I always saw more warmth and "reasonableness" in his behavior towards the children than Kate's.
Jon has been geeting bashed by Kate and the media for some time now, so I guess I feel like they're kicking him when he's down--so I try to see the "good" in him because he's the underdog.
Past episodes showed Jon bathing the kids and putting them to bed--even after he had put in a full day at work (when he worked for the State). He got the twins up and dressed for school and ready for the bus while Kate slept. So I don't see him as a terrible father, even though his "outside" behavior lately has been questionable.
Also, because he has stopped the filming, I gave gave him points in my book--no matter what his motives were.
Yes, if you filmed me, there would be some snippy comments and grouchiness sometimes. I would never agree to be on a reality show, however (really. NO.). And I wouldn't go around speaking and writing books claiming to be an "inspiration" to others. That is why people have held Kate to a higher standard. Her "story" doesn't match what we, the viewers have seen.

Eat your Vegetables said...

formy9lives said.............. I say that she has found a unique opportunity to provide a great life for her kids. They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@While I agree that she found a way to give her children material things and amazing opportunities, the ultimate price is not something the kids will love. I have asked myself several times why she bothers me so much. No, I don't hate her, but I hate her behavior and her hypocrise. I (like many here)was a huge fan of this show. I used to defend Kate and her love taps and I thought what mother of 8 wouldn't snap at her husband. But then something changed. The hair got lighter, the teeth got whiter, the sweatpants came off, it was as if Kate shed her cocoon and was about to become a beautiful butterfly. Unfortunatly, what emerged was anything but beautiful. She became more and more entitled. She treated people less than human. I had to stop watching once she started directly putting down her husband and children. I truly believe if Kate would have appreciated the gifts she has been blessed with, she could've been great. She could've given back to the state of PA for all that was given to her. Instead, she sued for free nursing care. I think reality entertainment is fine, but when you use your own family as entertainment for the world to see you are changing what reality is for those involved. The real world does not provide the life that Kate has accustomed her kids to. It seems that there was little consideration for the future. These are not sitcom characters. These are real kids. In my opinion, they've been set up for a really harsh reality. I think when all this is truly over and she has time to reflect on what could have been, she will regret her attitude towards "fame". She could swallow her pride and right some wrongs, but first she'd have to admit she was wrong.
In her own words, "She can't go back". It's too bad. I think as long as you're breathing, it's never too late. And as far as people judging her, she chose to step on the world stage.

MBach said...

IMO we don't need to give formy9lives so much -wait until you have children of your own- criticism.

I am a mother, and I agree it is a life changing experience for most women, but not all. However, you do not have to be a mother to have human kindness, and to love children. To love others as you love yourself. Seeing how Kate behaves with anyone, her children or other's, her husband and even other adults is what shows her to be far removed from compassion and loving instincts.

To me it seems Kate's humor is too often directed at ridiculing others. Her children and husband also seem to be her favorite targets. I don't have to list any examples from the show, but the list is long and sad. The very people she should love, defend, and raise up the most are ones she hurts with her "dry humor."

The graves of most friendships are dug with tiny digs.
This goes double for family relationships.

Not funny Kate. You are not funny.
Please get some help.

livnluv said...

Those were some scary women! I was creeped out. Funny thing is, as much as they love Kate, Kate seems to be annoyed and disgusted by them. She has no warm feelings toward fans at all and is just now starting to acknowledge that she is nothing without the few she does have. But that is just out of desperation and a last grasp at her final 15 minutes.
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This comment prompts me to ask, Who DOES Kate have warm feelings for? Seriously.

formy9lives said...

You guys are right, I don't have kids. The main reason I gave a little info about myself was to point out to the poster who said the only "sheeple" that would respond would be people just like Kate. My life isn't like her, nor is my personality. Still I find her entertaining.

I actually do agree with the posters that Kate acts as if she is entitled. I do see where you can get this. My guess would be she's just gotten so accustomed to the good life that it's hard to go back, and she's lost some perspective. Who knows?

As far as the people fainting and crying, you've got me there. No answer for that. They are defnitely over the top!! I'd never wait in line for 6 hours for someone to sign a book. I also agree it is very rude of Kate not to look at the people that have waited in line for 6 hours.

Thanks for not attacking me :)

Judy said...

Okay, let's say showing Kate in the light TLC says is all about "editing." What kind of person ALLOWS a show to consistently make her look like a mean, controlling, vindictive, angry person on national television, on a weekly basis?

wildflowers said...

How ironic - she started all of this to provide a better life for her family. In the end, they seem to be ending up much worse. No marriage, broken family, lost ties to extended family. The kids probably won't be able to continue living in their current lifestyle, maybe not even their schools. Pretty much everything the kids had has been destroyed. I wonder if Kate gets it yet? It seems like the very people she looked down on and the way of life she couldn't get away from fast enough may have been the way to provide happiness for her children.

PA Woman said...

formy9lives said...
You guys are right, I don't have kids. The main reason I gave a little info about myself was to point out to the poster who said the only "sheeple" that would respond would be people just like Kate. My life isn't like her, nor is my personality. Still I find her entertaining.

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I'm not so sure you are a true "sheeple". You seem to understand that it is a TV show, edited, and as such does not totally represent what is real. You also seem to acknowledge Kate has faults. I think you are someone that enjoys the show.

The sheeple I've run into now are in total morning that the show is going off, think that Kate does no wrong (find an excuse for all her actions) and believe everything they see on that screen. They are totally obsessed with Kate (in fact rarely mention the children at all). DESPISE Jon. They want to be Kate. You post doesn't come across that way at all to me.

Button Button said...

dustilies wrote...

Also, if TLC is grossly misrepresenting her behavior, she either doesn't care or doesn't realize it (and we know she watches the final cut of the show). Seems weird to me. Like why let yourself be made into something you aren't on national tv? When your kids are going to watch it?
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Kate is just money hungry enough to NOT care how she is presented, as long as it keeps the moolah rolling in.

Once she said something like, If you watch the show to see perfect people, it isn't us.

She is narcissistic enough to think those people who don't idolize her aren't worth considering anyway.

She doesn't care. She knows she really is right, so people can think whatever they want. She is always right.

Heather said...

I was formy9lives, but now posting under my google account since you guys have been nice to me.

PA Woman,

Ha ha yes you are right, probably not a true "sheeple" in the ways of some. I enjoy the show. I will never watch a show that I hate, I'll just change the channel, as it sounds many of you have done recently. I'm disappointed the show is ending, but haven't lost a wink!

As for Kate has her faults; Jon has his faults; I acknowledge them. As I've stated I do read this blog regularly, even though I enjoy the show. I do wish some of the posters had a least a few nice comments about Kate, and I would post more often. But thanks for letting me post!

Oh and MBach, thanks for taking up for me on the "i'm not a mom" thing. Not quite something I change right now, but hope to one day...lol.

I don't hate kate said...

I have children and I don't think that should be a requirement for having an opinion about Kate (whether positive or negative), 9lives - I appreciate that you came on here to post what was sure to be a heavily criticized opinion.

I agree with a lot of your comments. Kate is on TV - we don't know her, she is not our friend. Why get so worked up about her? I don't wear the types of clothes she wears but I don't think she looks slutty or unattractive. I don't think she's a very affectionate mother but a lot of mothers aren't.

The comments about how Jon should go for full custody of those kids are over the top. Kids need both of their parents and I have certainly seen MUCH worse mothers than Kate. My son has played competitive sports since he was very small - you should see the way some of those parents behave. Horrible - to their own kids, kids of others, parents and coaches. It's appalling. But they are not true "abusers" either - they don't deserve to lose custody of their kids.

I do think she tries to be funny. I think she is basically really insecure and I actually feel sorry for her. I am one who hopes her TV gig works out so she can support the kids. (yes, I know she could work at McDonalds or be a nurse or scrub toilets or whatever)

SuzieO said...

The thing that bugs me the most is how in her mind everything is about her and how it affects her. Even the divorce and we all know how the saying goes: who gets hurt the most in a divorce? the children!!

More than once I've heard her say and in this last episode too:

the children are massaging her (because it's hard to get strokes from her) and she says that the children notice how the divorce has put stress on her and are trying to help. WHAT???? UGH! I couldn't believe it when she said that.

I just have never met a person more self centered. Everything is how it affects her. She doesn't seem to even touch the children anymore.

I just can't see how anyone would think she is a normal, warm, caring mother. I don't see how anyone can be inspired by her. She makes a living by being away from her children.

Pamela Jaye said...

I'm not a sheeple, and Kate started getting on my nerves early on, but I'll admit:

If I discuss Kate's clothing, shoes, hair or body (or surgery) - I feel catty.

If I discuss what she does and says (and sometimes does not say) I feel ...um... not catty.

I also realize that the site was created to attempt to get the show off the air, not for me to vent about how much I hate this woman. But I'm currently in a place where venting helps.
Kate and Jon also remind me of both my childhood and my marriage.

And now I think I am happy the show is going off, but I wish I'd figured out how to tell Alexis from Leah in all this time...

Kannie said...

Interesting sheeple post. Enlightened, I am not. Granted, I agree that TLC edits for dramatic effect. Additionally, I wore heels until I got a brain and bunions at about age 30.

Kate's biggest crime is not her: chronic mangling of the English language, rudeness, fake boobs, high heels, hideous hairdo, baby doll dresses, fake crying, or over-the-top narcissism.

Kate's crime is hypocrisy. She calls herself a christian but treats others with disdain and disrespect. She says she cares about the well-being of her children yet exploits them for big bucks at every turn. She clearly has given no thought to the extended life of all the material presented on the program. "Hannah pooped in Hannah's unnawears" will be echoed for years to come - and Hannah will be haunted by it. Kate claims she hates the word celebrity but basks in the limelight, even disobeying a judge's order to keep her mouth shut, to conduct high profile media interviews.

I'll make a sweeping generalization here, but I don't think the sheeple get it. They need to think outside the box.

I just don't get it said...

Formy9lives: I agree that any child would want what Kate has provided for her children. Actually, I provided all those things you mentioned for my own children. The difference is that I did it without selling their childhoods and their most precious and private moments. My husband and I did it by working hard. I also want to assure you I never, ever treated my children the way Kate has done. Never. Not even at my worst. And yes, I have had my snippy moments and still do, but what I've seen in Kate is beyond snippy. It is cruel and hateful and hate-filled. I have not and will not treat my husband the way she has. I will even stick my neck out and tell you that if you do that on a regular basis the way she does, you will find yourself in a situation much like hers. Marriages and/or relationships do not survive without mutual respect. I am surprised that you know so many people who are like Kate. I only know two people like her and I am in my 60's, very active in a lot of organizations, have a large family, and know a lot of people. To be honest it saddens me that you and your friends do not find Kate's behavior objectionable. You are right. You have explained nothing because if I live to be 100 I will not understand why or how women relate to Kate. Thank you for trying to explain though.

fidosmommy said...

formy9lives/Heather,

Nobody is going to attack you and I've very pleased you wrote. It tells me that there is a middle ground. There are those who believe Kate defies logic and those who believe Kate defines goodness. (no typos there, it says what I meant). There are also those who just want to sit back and watch TV and not have to explain themselves for their choice of entertainment.

As far as your comment about not going back after receiving such
a generous lifestyle, well, I have to say that I'm not impressed with that thinking. I can cite you a few examples in my own circle of friends where they came into money - huge amounts of it, enough to make the Gosselin's income look like chump change. My very best friend became an overnight multi millionaire. She stayed in her small apartment. She shops in thrift stores still. She takes public transportation still. She eats out about once every few months and cooks at home. She gives and gives and gives to charities, both global and local. She went from a regular paycheck to the ability to purchase whatever she wanted, and she has chosen to share it with others. Her staggering and sudden wealth has not changed her one iota.

I could cite several more examples.
A person I used to date has worked up to the multimillion dollar category too. Nicest person on the planet, generous and
compassionate toward others. Not a selfish bone to be found. Thinks money is a tool to bring joy to others.

My point is, it's not the money, it's how you view the money. If money makes you feel more of a person, you've got a problem. If money is simply something you have and put to the best possible use to benefit the most people, then you've got a blessing.

It is a small person who thinks she has life by the tail because she has a larger bank account than the next person and flaunts it. It is a big person who realizes money is like sunshine - it must be spread around for everyone's benefit or else you get burned.

Kate, I'm afraid, is sizzling and I don't think she knows how to turn off the fire. That's because she thinks she's arrived because she has a pot of cash. No, she will "arrive" when she puts that cash to the benefit of humanity, or at the very least into irrevocable trust funds for her 8 children.

mamaK said...

Think about how you would feel if everyone you knew right now could go on youtube and watch video of you on the potty, or of your mom taking a picture of your first poo. Think about how you would feel about your co-workers, bosses, students, friends, enemies, neighbors, seeing that footage. Or knowing that they could go on youtube and watch your mom getting you dressed in your bathing suit at the beach--in slow motion, set to music, on repeat--because some creepy person put together a video of one clip from a show. How would that make you feel as an adult?
For an adult on reality tv, it is different, but these kids have no choice. And, I have to say, I blame Kate. She is the mom and should be thinking about her kids reactions and needs and should be busy protecting them from harm, not using them as "entertainment".

Mona said...

If we only see a few minutes of Kate, why does TLC only show us the
bad side of her all the time? Why did we read that they have to film for hours to get 22 usable minutes to show because of Kate? Why do people who meet her in person report she was snippy, rude, brusque and unfriendly at book signings and other public appearances? Why does she seem aloof on TV when she's guest hosting on the View or other shows Why doesn't the nice and friendly Kate ever make an appearance anywhere, including her own TV show?

Just One Person's Opinion said...

First, a thanks to the 'Sheeple' who have bravely entered the Anti-Gosselin Zone. I appreciate your taking the time to explain your feelings/beliefs about the Gosselin saga. I have to say, I HAVE wondered how anyone can have any respect or affection for these people, so thanks for trying to explain.

I notice a trend from your comments that helps outline some differences between your thoughts and feelings and my own.

For whatever it's worth, here are some of the differences:

Most importantly, I see Kate's behavior (I don't care if it's staged/scripted/edited) as narcissistic, arrogant, MEAN. Even after reading your comments, I do not comprehend how anyone can see Kate as anything less than emotionally ill.

Next up is that some of you enjoy the 'gossip' and the whole "Team Jon" vs. "Team Kate". That is another huge difference from my own perspective. I do not care about the gossip, don't want to read it, don't want to hear about it. What I like in this blog is when underlying issues are discussed: child exploitation, spousal abuse, mental illness, the pathetic genre of 'reality' programming. The 'gossip' is a downside to this particular blogger.

Kate's 'humor' - you find her funny. I find her devoid of subtlety and depth, therefore, unfunny, and often her 'humor' is directed in an unkind way toward another. To me, Kate is as unsophisticated as slapstick, only even less humorous.

Her communication skills or lack thereof: Her language skills are those of an unintelligent and egocentric person, and, therefore, uninteresting. Her chosen subject is always the same: herself, therefore her dialogue is one dimensional, shallow, lacks nuance, and, therefore, is boring to me.

Finally, Style. This is the least important topic to me, but since her appearance has been mentioned, I'll just note that since the breast enhancement, that hair, botox, fake tan, and especially her new wardrobe, to these eyes, Kate looks cheap and tacky. I'd expect to see her coming out of "Frederick's of Hollywood" - not my cup of tea.

In order to win my viewing time, TLC would have to show me someone FAR more interesting, professional, intelligent, emotionally balanced than Kate Gosselin can ever hope to become.

My two cents, in case any 'sheeple' wonder what the view looks like from this side of the fence.

MickeyMcKean said...

formy9lives said...
Thanks for not attacking me :)

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When I saw the subject of the new thread, I knew that even if a Sheeple were to post that they would not be “attacked”.

I admit at times it appears that some of us “take it to the next level” or "over the top" but I can also understand how Kate with her words and actions can fire up the posters too.

I do not know Kate, I will never meet Kate, I will not/have not read or purchased a book or DVD, but dammit there is just something about her sense of entitlement and/or belief that she is better than everyone around her that rubs me the wrong way.

Do I hate her? No. Do I love Jon? No. Do I think Jon is the better of the 2 parents? Yes!

Jon cannot fake the genuine love that he has for his kids, and I do not believe this love is only because of what has happened to his bank account due to their existence. Jon loves and plays with his kids where Kate does not, and even if it appears in recent months that Jon has other 22 yr old priorities, I don’t give a rip. I will cut him slack because I do believe he was abused by Kate for years and it got progressively worse. He grew a pair and went a little wild. Personally I find it understandable.

All that being said, and even though I do not have kids of my own, I do care about the health, safety and welfare of 8 children who I have watched grow up for the first 3 seasons. Also, only after TLC announced that the show was ending, I have been viewing season 4 eps on youtube for the first time. Yes I knew what to expect due to this blog, nevertheless I still found myself yelling at Kate through my computer. Yes the woman fires me up!

I’m glad this show is ending, I think it is best for the kids to be off the air especially because their parents are divorcing. They have worked their entire lives; it is time for them to have some privacy.

Thanks to this blog, I no longer believe that children should be on reality shows because their antics can be used against them their entire life. They are not actors playing a part, they are actors living their life. There is a difference.

Will I miss the 8? Yes, just like the other GwoPers and Sheeple. At least I’m pretty sure we will all agree that we will miss the kids more so than the parents.

qwerty said...

They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???
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My kids have a nice house. They have been to baseball games, Disney World and other trips, and they have a pool in the back yard.

They also have friends, they know their grandparents and aunts, uncles and cousins, and they have their privacy.

They also have compassion and empathy (beccause they have parents who demonstrate these qualities).

My youngest said that the Gosselin Kids are in his prayers.

He really wants to be on TV, but he does not want to have his private moments, potty training etc put out there for all to see.

teachingfractionsw/burgers said...

It's very interesting to hear another pov. However, I find Kate to be totally reprehensible. Any person (and this would include Jon since he did not put a stop to it) that would allow their kids to be shown nude on national television is enabling the pervs of the world to get their jollies. Any rational and sane parent would not allow this to happen.

The fact that Jon finally woke up and saw the light and Kate still insists that there is no harm speaks volumes.

Anonymous said...

I'm a college English teacher, and a recent assignment was to write a paper explaining why someone was a hero. Two women in the class wrote about Kate Gosselin. Obviously, I can't share their essays with you, but their reasons were essentially:

1. She's a woman/wife/mom just like them with the same struggles and frustrations. (They identify with her.)

2. She has made the most of a difficult situation, having eight children. They saw this as her overcoming adversity.

3. She is a devout person. (They connected very much with her religious persona.)

All of the previous ones are from pre-scandal, and since the scandal, they seem to connect even more with her as the victim of Jon's childish and adulterous behavior.

As the teacher I had to challenge their arguments made here, since we can all see the flaws in them!

All I Want to Know said...

All I would ever want to ask any Sheeple is: Why don't any of you know how to SPELL?
lol
Nothing else a vapid Sheeple-type could say would interest me in the slightest. It would be like asking a rock in my yard why it exists.

Button Button said...

The Kate Worshippers, or sheeple, that have watched their show for as long as it has been on will not nor cannot change.

Something in them wants to be like Kate. They don't see how she treats her husband or children as particularly wrong.

They must be a lot like her or they must want to be a lot like her.

I have never admired anything about her. I never will. I certainly hope never to be anything like her.

All the money she has jilted out of her sheeple is fine with them. They feel it has let her live a life they would like to live. She is welcome to their money and their love.

Minka's tail said...

I would like to ask both whatever sheeple are here and the usual crowd if they've ever known anybody like Kate in their life.

I have. I did my student teaching with a woman who had a personality almost identical to Kate's. She prided herself on being "organized," bragged about how hard she worked (she came in early each day--but spent that time gossiping with the secretary, NOT preparing for class), and saw herself as a purveyor of "tough love" to the kids.

What was the worst, though, was her temper. She would fly into rages and dress people down at the top of her lungs over fairly minor discretions. When I saw how she yelled at Jon over the coupons and how he just stood there with his face turning pink, it brought back horrible memories from 15 years ago.

Like Kate, I think these tirades were done mainly to release tension she felt in her own life. If she had sex the night before, my lesson would be OK. If she had a fight with her husband and was left unsatisfied, everything I would do would be wrong. Just like Kate released tension from her traveling by taking it out on her husband. My teacher's mother apparently treated her the same way as everyone else--maybe Kate's parents screamed at her, too.

Either way, though, if you like this woman, imagine that you were the one being screamed at for misplacing a receipt, standing too close to someone in the kitchen or not standing where you were "supposed to" in a toy store. Put yourself in Jon's shoes.

Still like her?

MomOf4InPA said...

I am not a sheeple, just stating that up front. For the life of me I do not understand "sheeple mentality" in regards to Kate. Perhaps I have been permanently and forever scarred by watching the infamous nature film in elementary school where you see all the lemmings running over the edge of the cliff, to their deaths, because its what "everyone else is doing".

What makes my situation all the more challenging is that I have had an unfortunate "run-in" with Kate, or more she "ran into" me experience. No excuse me, sorry, are you okays. She just turned around and walked off like I didn't exist, Like she couldn't be bothered to acknowledge me or the fact that I landed face first into the shelves. I gave her the benefit of the doubt, because all I saw was the back of her head as she went around the corner, and I thought to myself, that poor woman is having one really miserable hair day, and I actually felt sorry for her. That was until we ended up at check out at the same time. When I saw who it was, I was like....WOW....not a bad hair day, just a bad attitude life I guess. For the record, she didn't use any "coo-pons" at that Target trip. lol

The other thing that baffles me about her involves my SIL. She ADORES Kate. I just don't get it. Maybe she is hoping her life can be like Kate's. I really don't know, but my brother lost his job last year, and they are expecting baby 7 in 5 months. She told me, prior to this pregnancy, that 2 more and she will be just like Kate. I gave up long ago trying to understand why they keep having kids they can't afford to have or care for. They live in subsidized housing, use food stamps, medicaid and get cash help from her church. They have lived this type of life since they got married. They have expected everyone else to take care of them. She is all about appearances. She would spend her last $5 on makeup, when she has nothing in her house to feed her kids, because its just not right to be seen without looking "perfect". On more than one occasion, she called crying that she had no food in her house and her kids were starving. I would take her grocery shopping, and she wanted steak and fresh butcher cuts, not normal "I'm grateful that you are doing this for me" hamburger and chicken and stuff. After one trip with her to the store she showed me the new necklace she had bought the day before, and the new shade of lipstick she bought that morning. I had no words. She was like that long before Jon & Kate plus 8 tho. It is something they share, appearance/everyone taking care of them, and maybe thats why she identifies with her so much. Kate can do no wrong in her eyes. It has to be some weirdo personality trait, and perhaps all "sheelpe" have it. I dunno.

Sorry for the long rant, but I just can't understand the attraction to Kate. I hope perhaps some "sheeple" out there can enlighten me, and perhaps I can find a way to understand my SIL also.

SheMakesMeaBetterGirlfriend said...

I think a lot of women will own up to the fact that they watched it because they felt relief that they weren't the only ones who talked to their significant others that way.

"Look, she does it too!"

The problem with that, is while I have snapped at my boyfriend in the past, it's not something I continually do.

I think that's where the line is drawn. You can initially relate to her b/c who hasn't at one point snapped the way she does. BUT who wants to watch a woman break a man's spirit week after week? It was incremental but we could see it happening in front of our eyes.

And if the latest episode was any indication of how Kate + 8 would b=have been shot, it seems that she continues to pass judgment and berate him and he doesn't even need to be present!

Good luck to Kate. She's outnumbered 8 to 1, and she will eventually realize this.

Jane in California said...

I see others expressing a wonderful point, and maybe some Kate fans will actually think about this point and have an epiphany:

Instead of identifying with Kate, try to put yourself in one of the children's shoes. How would you feel if you were 5 years old and starting blowing on a whistle while playing outside with your brothers and sisters. Imagine how you would feel if your mother lost her temper and started whaling on your butt, in full view of people taking pictures of this humiliation.

Do you still think that behavior was okay?

Imagine you are sick with the flu. Aching, feverish, vomiting -- all you want is for your mom to take care of you and make it all better. Imagine that instead, your mom makes you feel like you are disgusting because you threw up and some got on a comforter. In punishment, you are placed on the laundry room floor, and left there alone with your "vomitous" self until your dad comes home from work and puts you in a real bed.

Do you still think that behavior is okay, now that you're on the receiving end?

I think if a grown up sees these things occurring and still doesn't see anything wrong with Kate's behavior, that says something about that person (and it's not positive). It shows a real callousness of spirit, and indifference to the phony and sometimes downright sad life these children lead.

If all you can focus on is the material (hey look, they got a fancy trip! they live in a big house!), then you really don't understand what truly matters in life is being unconditionally loved and cared for.

And no, I would not do the same if it was offered to me. After seeing this train wreck of a family, I would RUN in the opposite direction if TLC had me in their greedy, child-exploiting sights.

anotherthing... said...

This is perhaps one of the most fascinating topics ever on this blog.

Thanks to 9cats/Heather for posting your insights.

On a different note, maybe someone out there has ideas about this:

I suppose I can see the 'love for kate' on a superficial level... but once you see that she is putting her kids last (see the examples Jane in CA left -great post btw-) in so many ways... and bashing their dad right in front of them for such stupid irrelevant reasons... the whole 'kate persona' seems to be a facade created by TLC. And I see past it.

Not to mention the web of lies and deceit. I also cant quite see how she has "overcome adversity" given the fact that she went to such great lengths to create the situation she is currently in (fertility treatments, shopping her show etc).

How is she a role model/someone people can identify with when she spends money that her 5 year olds earn for her the way she does? When she hires so much help she -by her own admission- hasnt been in her twin daughters room in "months"? How is that a good mother? She is gone from her household for weeks at a time to be on talk shows to bash her kids father on national TV.... how is this a person to look up to/identify with????

I suppose my point is that I can understand that someone who doesnt see past the surface would 'like kate'. But if you actually know a few of the facts... how can you justify them?

And by the way, I dont have kids (yet) either... but I can plainly see that her "mothering" skills are atrocious and lacking in literally every way shape and form.

Brummygirl said...

formy9lives a.k.a. Heather:
Thank you for putting yourself out there knowing what the majority of us think about Kate. We would not attack you, your opinion is as valid as anyone else's here. Not like T.L.C., our mods do not census genuine opinions opposite to our own thoughts.
I believe most of us started out fans of the show. Who wouldn't be of six adorable babies and a young couple striving for some sort of normality?
The comparison in lifestyles stops there. Kate, even at the beginning, was giving off vibes that made one think there was something wrong with her personality.
O.K., I have been married 47 years and I would be the last to say I have not said anything in the heat of the moment to my husband, but at no time have I ever demeaned him in public or private. The word is respect.
Yes, Jon has been off the rails since his release from someone who obviously did not respect him, but as far as the children are concerned, he loves them.
I cannot relate to Kate being in any way shape or form, funny. She is so sarcastic.
Forget the way she dresses, wears her hair, shoes etc., it is her vitriolic treatment of people across the board. Her uncaring treatment of her children, as has all been stated above in many other instances and her attitude that she is always right in any circumstance, is concerning. Also her delusion that she is important to the rest of the world.
The bottom line is, she has traded her children's formative years for the almighty dollar and her misplaced perceived stardom. It is not only their formative years, but all the years ahead where they will pay for her selfishness and yes...this "ness" is warranted at the end of that word, not a Kate crucification of the English language.
I never thought I would dislike anyone as much as Kate and wonder at my feelings but the worst things in the world to me, are cruelty to children and animals and Kate covered both.
I will miss not seeing the children but my loss is nothing compared to their loss of a normal childhood and two warring fame seeking parents.

Silence of the Sheeple said...

Anonymous said, "1. She's a woman/wife/mom just like them with the same struggles and frustrations. (They identify with her.)

2. She has made the most of a difficult situation, having eight children. They saw this as her overcoming adversity.

3. She is a devout person. (They connected very much with her religious persona.)

All of the previous ones are from pre-scandal, and since the scandal, they seem to connect even more with her as the victim of Jon's childish and adulterous behavior."
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Hard to understand how the woman in the mansion is seen as 'just like me' by women whose lives bear little if any real resemblance to Kate Gosselin, other than the fact that they birthed children.

Hard to imagine anyone WANTING to identify with Kate as a wife. Still scratching my head on that one.

Her 'adversity' was self-induced. She chose to seek infertility treatments, and, as an RN, had to have known the possible ramifications. I realize her choice not to selectively abort is seen by some as the only measure needed for 'morality' but even to this mentality, the possible fame and fortune angle would seem hard to miss.

The whole 'person of faith' concept remains baffling to me. It seems to some, simply claiming 'faith' puts one in a morally superior category. Some seem blind to the difference between claiming religion and being kind and honest, which would seem the two most basic tenets of any religion.

Hard for me to take seriously a claim of adultery when the parties involved had ceased living together as a married couple.

Seems some very simplistic people out there.

Baaa! Baaa! Baaa!

Natalie and Abigail said...

"The bottom line is that somewhere along this path, Kate's unique way of providing for her family took precedence over actually caring for her family."


This statement hits the nail on the head. There is a difference between "providing" and "caring". There are countless parents who PROVIDE for their families. They work long hours, make tons of money and give their spouses and kids everything they could ever want. But they also fail to attend baseball games and dance recitals. They leave before their kids are up and come home when they are in bed. The kids are raised by nannies or shipped off to boarding school. These are not the actions of parents who CARE.

Kate, and Jon to an extent, are guilty of this. They have provided so much they (and the kids) have to work too much to maintain it. They are no longer taking care of the emotional needs of their family.

I'm honestly not sure if Kate ever had it in her to meet those kids emotional needs. It's hard to see in her. She just doesn't enjoy her kids - at all. Jon does have a heart for them and seems to enjoy them - when all the trappings aren't getting in the way.

Sadly, these kids have already had the most formative years of their lives warped and destroyed. I honestly don't know if they can recover from it.

Back on topic - thanks to the poster who gave the original question a shot:-) I do think that nullifying your remarks because you don't have kids is pretty rude and insulting, however. You don't have to be a mother to see nastiness in people. At the same time, plenty of mothers (ie, BM), can't get enough of Kate, so motherhood is by no means some kind of measuring stick to love kids and fear for their welfare. Tossing that out is incredibly snobbish in my opinion. (btw - I disagree completely with you - I think Kate is just awful, but I wanted to defend you just a bit:-))

Niki said...

leaving out the tired stock phrases, "yer just jellus, a hater, she has 8 count 'em 8 kids, you should walk in her shoes. Blah blah blah."
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You forgot another sheeple favorite. "We don't see everything! It's editing!"

While, yes, reality TV shows are heavily edited and sometimes go way overboard to give someone a "bad/villain edit," I actually think in Khate's case it's the opposite. From what I've heard about the bitch outside of the show, it sounds like TLC is actually showing her to be NICER than in real life.

Now that? Is just really, really scary.

Lucy said...

Thanks for your response and viewpoint. Kate, in this series, appears, to me, to be a narcissist unable to provide unconditional love for anyone but herself. On a personal note we adopted a wonderful 3 year old boy who had been seized by the province. His birth mother, at the court date to lose her birth rights, in the face of our adoption petition, was only concerned to ask the social worker if the social worker liked her new hair-do? Who thinks like that I asked my husband? Are some women really like that? I watch Kate and it all comes back. The whole case study of our son was one of an uncaring dismissive cruel mother. Our son is now 26 and will not discuss his biological mother. He will walk out of the room if I ever bring her name up. He was only 3 and he remembers. Only 3! How do you think the Gosselins will remember their mother especially when they have DVDs to remind them and remind them, for the rest of their lives, all too clearly of her behaviour towards them and their father. My heart breaks for all children hurt at the hands of adults. I also sometimes feel for my son's biological mother who has missed out on watching such a wonderful 3 year old turn into a successful, happy, well loved and well liked adult. Because of my history I do, at times, feel sorry for Kate ... she will, I hope, one day realize what she has done to her family and to herself.

teachingfractionsw/burgers said...

Minka's tail said...
I would like to ask both whatever sheeple are here and the usual crowd if they've ever known anybody like Kate in their life.

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Oh Lawrd have mercy, do I.

My sister is Kate Gosselin to a T. She destroyed her ex-husband with absolutely no remorse and took him totally out of the children's lives. She then proceeded to disown everyone who wasn't "on her side" including her own parents.

She is also materialistic and self centered. She constantly whines about how hard her life is and how no one understands because we have not been in her situation.

This may be why Kate rubs me the wrong way, because I have seen a person just like her in action and been affected personally by the rages, etc.

MickeyMcKean said...

formy9lives said...

... While you all will say she profits off the kids, I say that she has found a unique opportunity to provide a great life for her kids. They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???

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Momof4InPa said:

The other thing that baffles me about her involves my SIL. She ADORES Kate. ... Maybe she is hoping her life can be like Kate's. ... She told me, prior to this pregnancy, that 2 more and she will be just like Kate. I gave up long ago trying to understand why they keep having kids they can't afford to have or care for. They live in subsidized housing, use food stamps, medicaid and get cash help from her church. They have lived this type of life since they got married. They have expected everyone else to take care of them. She is all about appearances. She would spend her last $5 on makeup, when she has nothing in her house to feed her kids, because its just not right to be seen without looking "perfect". On more than one occasion, she called crying that she had no food in her house and her kids were starving. I would take her grocery shopping, and she wanted steak and fresh butcher cuts, not normal "I'm grateful that you are doing this for me" hamburger and chicken and stuff. After one trip with her to the store she showed me the new necklace she had bought the day before, and the new shade of lipstick she bought that morning. I had no words. She was like that long before Jon & Kate plus 8 tho. It is something they share, appearance/everyone taking care of them, and maybe thats why she identifies with her so much. Kate can do no wrong in her eyes. It has to be some weirdo personality trait, and perhaps all "sheelpe" have it. I dunno.

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My brother and I were raised with all of the above items provided by our single mother who was a high school teacher during the day and taught classes a couple of nights at the junior college. Definitely not a SAHM; we were latch key kids. Now whereas we loved these items when we were growing up, we did not truly appreciate these things until we grew up and got jobs of our own and had to work for a living. This is when we realized how much our mother sacrificed for us kids.

One of my problems with Kate is that I don't see her sacrificing anything for her children. Nothing. In fact, it is her kids who have sacrificed their childhoods for their parents to buy a McMansion and go on trips that they will not remember except for what they see on a DVD.

Also, to those Sheeple who truly believe that Kate is a role model in many ways including her haircut and/or discovering an avenue of fame and fortune, I hope that you will not attempt to follow in her footsteps. Just remember that the Octomom did just this - had a set of tups and added 2 for good measure - but Nadia and her doctor got hit with a lot of negative attention and yet the bottom line is that she still has all those kids to support. Each day every day the kids want to be fed.

Natalie and Abigail said...

Did Kate really say she had not been in her daughters' rooms for MONTHS??? Seriously? She never tucks them in? She never gets them up? She never reads them a story? NEVER???? That is absolutely unbelievable. I really can't not even begin to fathom....

PS - when did she say it?

Chuck said...

mamaK said...
Think about how you would feel if everyone you knew right now could go on youtube and watch video of you on the potty, or of your mom taking a picture of your first poo. Think about how you would feel about your co-workers, bosses, students, friends, enemies, neighbors, seeing that footage. Or knowing that they could go on youtube and watch your mom getting you dressed in your bathing suit at the beach--in slow motion, set to music, on repeat--because some creepy person put together a video of one clip from a show. How would that make you feel as an adult?
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My Mother took lots and lots of photos of myself and 4 siblings when we were little. She often let us play in the water with no clothes on, and took pictures of us that way too.

Now we are all grown and hate those photos. One by one they seem to just disappear.

Not one of us wants the others to look at our little nude bodies and we were babies when it happened.

It is embarrassing and humiliating.

Imagine how we would feel if the general public saw them.

Ugh.

Disgusting.

How terrible for the Gosselin kids!

How absolutely terrible!

Jane in California said...

I am one of the posters who said, "perhaps once you have a child of your own, your opinion of Kate might change."

I'd just like to clarify that I don't think only moms can have a valid opinion on the show, or Kate Gosselin. Nor do I mean to say that only once you become a mother can you empathize with others.

I merely meant that I have never loved, nor will I ever love, any human being as much as I love my son. I love my parents, my siblings, and my partner. Deep and lasting love for them all. But I've never felt so encompassing a love for another as when I first held my son.

As a teacher on this board said - once she became a mom, she viewed her students differently. I'm sure she was an excellent teacher to begin with, but being a mom gave her yet another perspective and greater understanding of a child's mind, heart and emotions.

That's all -- and so I hope there were no hurt feelings. Only that becoming a mom changed me in a fundamental way -- as I think it does most of us who experience motherhood. Many opinions I held about child rearing, etc. also changed dramatically once I was walking the walk.

Peace :)

Kristin said...

formy9lives said...

Mostly, I find Kate amusing. She has a dry humor that I like. While you all will say she profits off the kids, I say that she has found a unique opportunity to provide a great life for her kids. They get to go to ballgames, trips, have a nice house, pool in the backyard. What kid wouldn't love this???

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That's all well and good and I don't doubt that all kids would love these materialistic perks in their young lives.

However, kids do not understand the difference between unconditional love and materialistic possessions. They do not understand that having a loving home but maybe not all of the money to do these things will ultimately be better for them in the long run.

These children are the ones paying for these trips and gifts, not Jon and not Kate. The kids. In not only monetary amounts but in the loss of a normal childhood and sense of security and protection that children thrive on and deserve. Anyone that does not believe these children have long years of therapy and regression in their future is in need of therapy themselves. These children were put to work as toddlers to pay for their fun instead of their parents doing it as parents should.

A happy childhood is not measured by gifts and trips. It is measured by love and positive guidance.

lukebandit said...

in response to:

I'll be happy to give it a shot. For the recrod, I am a 28-year-old female, good job, boyfriend, normal family, etc

see such a little bit of their life? we have seen hours and hours of their lives.
for 5 SEASONS!!!

Kate is sadistic, cruel and possibly bi-polar. Any mother that is a nurse should of gathered their children and took Colin to the ER to be taken care of, instead of letting jon depack him out in the parking lot in the back of the van and on film for the world to see. the way she continued to shop and gripe and cause the bed shop owner problems (writing up the order) and then Kate made him do it over.

i couldn't believe how she ordered those kids the food in the restaurant. she orders items and then cuts EVERYTHING INTO PORTIONS! these children are old enough to order a children's plate and if they are any leftovers, get a couple of 2 go containers and doggie bag it. she cuts a reg. sized chicken breast into 4 pieces. she makes me sick.

i loved it when jon took the kids to the ball park and they all had their own food and they ate normal things. hot dogs, chips, drinks, popcorn and there wasn't a crazy "mom" with a pink fuzzy popcorn hat on screaming, "Come get yer popcorn". also loved that jon was showing each child how to put on the glove and teaching them.

was it dry humor when she griped an showed her behind to jon about him mentioning to her there are 2 korea's North Korea, South Korea. she went way over the line. well, that is no suprise.

have you ever had your mother take you somewhere where you could play with water and she warns you not to get wet? one of the girls got wet and she almost had a massive heart attack because she was terrified of her mother.

today on the news they said a man is sending girls letters from somewhere to girls all over the US with their picture of swimming or gymnastics, or beauty pagenants, and they are creepy. the FBI has his DNA, but no name no description no address. let's pray that God allows him to get caught quickly.

not K8's bestest friend said...

I find it fascinating that two people can watch the same show and come to two completely different conclusions. (I'm not being sarcastic. Psychology and sociology have long been my favorite classes.) I saw a mother who ranged from being disinterested to emotionally abusive. Others watch and see a fabulous loving mother. It boggles my mind that people admire her. I'm sure it boggles their mind that I can't stand her.

Heather said, "But this hatred that you guys have is strange and over the top. How can you have so much feeling for someone you don't know and see very little of their life." I agree that the hatred on here is over the top sometimes, but I can see where the hatred stems from. I could also say the same thing about the rabid Kate lovers. However I have no idea where all that admiration comes from.

Can't See Sheep said...

A warm hello & thanks to 9cats/Heather for posting!


Silence of the Sheeple said...
Anonymous said...

2. She has made the most of a difficult situation, having eight children. They saw this as her overcoming adversity.
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Here we go, the definition of adversity is

1. A state of hardship or affliction; misfortune.
2. A calamitous event.
3. distress; affliction; hardship
4. an unfortunate event or incident

You CANNOT practice self or ritual flagellation & then run around crying that you're being whipped. (yes, yes I'm sorry, I was watching the Da Vinci Code & the freaky monk always freaks me out)

I am so sickened that these people are looked at as overcoming adversity when it couldn't be further from the truth. Google it & you will come up with at least 10 examples better suited to this claim than kate gosselin. Please, please, please do this, because if kate is anyone's role model they are selling themselves short in this world. Look up to people that have truly overcome actual adversity & be inspired by them.

It's not adversity if you choose to have children you know you can't afford. That's called creating your own problems & being your own worst enemy, or as several have posted, just plain stupid & irresponsible. kate does her best to never be responsible for anything, even as a child her brother took her punishment for her. Obviously it's a life long theme with her. kate has done ALL these things & she's still taking no responsibility for any of them! Flat out the woman is a coward. First Kevin is her whipping boy, then Jon. Nothing, no matter how mundane or major seems to be this woman's responsibility, unless it is something she believes is positive.

They have mentioned struggling with money when they had just the twins, since that was the case what on earth is kate doing whining for more children & forcing the issue when she knew good & well that they didn't have the money to really look after a third child never mind 6 more. They did not need a third child nor have the funds for a third child if you listen to them talking about it. It was THEIR CHOICE!

kate looks to everyone else to deal with with her children, claiming it's science's fault that she ended up with so many. My mother would have loved to have 10 or 12 kids, but could only afford 2 children & so had only 2 children.

This excuse making, this lack of taking responsibility for one's own decisions & actions is very prevalent these days, its downright disgusting, lazy & cowardly.

So no, this is not overcoming adversity, it is how to procreate stupidly & irresponsibly!

Can't See Sheep said...

Minka's tail said...

I would like to ask both whatever sheeple are here and the usual crowd if they've ever known anybody like Kate in their life.
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OMG yes! My grandmother, my sister, my father, 1 aunt. My husband's family or as he's always called them, "those other people". It's a nightmare around any of them. Awhile back, my aunt (my grandmother's sister & one of my good aunts) & I sat down, put the TV on, it was on the kate show, the cupcake one, where the boys don't get birthday cupcakes. When it got to where the boys were denied the cupcakes my aunt got a horrified look on her face, stood up & said 'my God, it's your grandmother all over again, that woman is exactly like your grandmother' I could hear distress & anxiety in her voice, she never mentioned what it was that had reminded her & I didn't ask because of how strong her reaction was & I already know she was traumatized by several things my grandmother has done & didn't want her reliving any unpleasant memories. She then asked me if that was the end of it & if we couldn't change the channel, which I had no problem changing.

Minka's tail said...
Either way, though, if you like this woman, imagine that you were the one being screamed at for misplacing a receipt, standing too close to someone in the kitchen or not standing where you were "supposed to" in a toy store. Put yourself in Jon's shoes.

Still like her?
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Imagine you are sitting next to her & she snaps at you for breathing too loudly!

For the Moment? said...

I have known someone like Kate. She had a nice home, a great husband, beautiful children. She dressed very provocatively, was dismissive of her husband and children, called him fat, yelled and screamed when she did not get her way, but most disturbingly, she got even. She would stay gone all weeekend and come home on Sunday night and live a fairly normal life through the week. She spent his money like it was going out of style. She had a tummy tuck, a boob job, bleached hair, tight dresses, cleavage, shoes, mani/pedi, the works. Her husband was took her abuse and tried to keep the family together, until this woman made her teenage daughter break up with her boyfriend and then started hanging out with him herself. Then her husband went on a diet and lost a lot of weight and gave her the boot. She now lives with this very young guy that she took from her teenager daughter, and they live a dog's life. Her husband is raising their children and they have moved into a larger house with a pool and he has become more successful than ever. She was a mean person who was very vindictive but I still liked her in a sense. I felt that something terrible must have happened to her in her childhood that caused her to be the way she was and accepted her on that basis.

The difference between her and Kate is that this girl did not pretend to be anything different than what she was. She didn't play the faith card, she didn't claim to take the high road, or to have integrity. She was just who she was and made no apologies. She lost everything but still looks fabulous and she is happy with that.

It is the hyprocisy of Kate that I hate. She made fools of us that were once fans of the show, thinking that she was something she was not. Over time she somehow dropped the facade and we learned what a monster she was and how she used her children for her own gain and could care less of damn about their welfare. She reminds me of someone else I know who was very mean to her child and her answer was to point to private parts and say he came from here. He belongs to me. He was a possession. A toy to parade around and then toss aside when she is through with him only to pick him up later and the game is on again. I hate this person too.

Heather said...

Oh my, lots of comments last night and I wasn't home. Don't have time to respond to everything right now, but I do have a question.

Many of you are quick to point out the laundry episode, spanking, possibility for humiliation, putting Jon down (which I cannot understand at all how you guys can defend him, but that's not the point of this thread), etc.

Are there ever episodes that you think that Kate is being "acceptable." I realize that you can't look past all the narcissism, personality, etc. that you don't like about her, but do you ever watch and say, "oh that was a nice family moment?"

What about when they were at Bald Head? When Kate camped out? Just the other day, her taking them to the park in PA (PLEASE don't say she was just doing that for the paps...lol)?

Just as you guys can point out all of the bad details in these episodes with your recaps, I see the good and fun.

Maude said...

But this hatred that you guys have is strange and over the top. How can you have so much feeling for someone you don't know and see very little of their life.

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I know some posters have said outright they hate Kate, but for me, I hate what she does (how she treats people), and what she stands for (entitlement, greed). However, I don't have to be psychic to know I wouldn't want to be within 20 feet of this woman. She oozes negativity even on t.v.

I fail to see why you have to know someone personally in order to know if you would like them or not. You like her and never met her, how is not liking her any different?

We've heard from many recovering sheeple on this site that have met her and feel they were treated poorly. I've yet to see a post from someone who disliked her, met her, and was turned around by how warm and friendly she was.

I do appreciate you taking the time to try and explain, but I still don't get the attraction.

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boo said...

OK , question for any fan of Kate

When Kate was on the morning show saying that Jon had taken money from a bank account and she could not pay the bills in her purse

Did you believe that Jon had taken ALL of the family's money and left his wife and kids WITHOUT a penny as Kate implied?

CanineDivine said...

Formy9lives said...

As for her attitude, I think that everyone taped you they could find a few snippy comments to pull out and make you look just like Kate.

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I am sure everyone has moments they regret. What is your explanation though for her lack of remorse when these clips have been shown again recently? For example, the travel office where she was quick to jump all over Jon and berate him. When shown it again on last Monday's episode, her only comment was that "she didn't handle that well". There was no regret, no apologies for having been so harsh - unnecessarily so - nor for emasculating her husband, nor for having diminished her husband in front of her kids. Someone who really wasn't like that would've said something like "I was totally wrong to have acted like that. I apologized to Jon later in private. I am appalled that I was said what I did in front of my kids". kate clearly doesn't have any understanding of just how incredibly damaging her mouth is, nor does she apparently care.

Momof3kidsand3dogs said...

This is not quite on topic, but I am referring to all the talk of kids on potties, bathing and nudity. The questions I have is why is this able to be filmed and shown on reality TV, but is obviously off limits on "regular" TV programs or whatever you call them? What I mean to say is the whole world literally watched the Olson twins grow up on "Full House" but never ever were they shown in even partial nudity or bathing. Never were they shown sitting on a potty or actually urinating or defecating for a camera. To even write it down sounds horrible and disgusting and yet this is exactly what the Gosselin kids were doing. Why was this okay for them and not for children like the Olson twins?

Rose said...

I think one very key thing that everyone forgets on this blog is that this show is edited. TLC edits it to make you go crazy on the blogs and to entertain the audience. I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week.


That may be true, but then why does Kate try to drill it in our heads, time after time, that the show represents their real life? Why does she claim that their real lives and their lives portrayed on the show are the same thing? That's the kind of hypocrisy that we see from her all the time.

I agree with a previous poster in that TLC is using this family for entertainment purposes, and that is indeed wrong. Jon and Kate are obviously old enough to have provided their consent for the network to do that, but what about the children? Their parents swear that they are not forced to film, but the kids are not at an age or a maturity level where they can truly see every factor that goes into the process and make an educated decision on whether or not they're okay with it. They were NEVER given a real choice. Oh, sure, they may have said "Yeah, Mommy and Daddy, we want to do the show. We like the camera people. They're funny and nice to us. We like going on fun vacations and going to cool places." They are little kids who don't know anything beyond that aspect of it, so then Kate turns around and blindly tries to tell us that the children WANT to be filmed. I'm sorry, but that's not wanting to be filmed. That's being a young child who isn't old enough to realize what the show really entails, and the problems it will cause them down the road. How could a 5 or 9-year-old truly understand that?

One day, those kids are gonna wake up, and they're going to be 13 years old. Or 16. Or 20. Cameras will be shoved in their faces everywhere they go, and they won't have any power to stop it. Even worse, nobody will be able to say "Hey, you made the choice to be famous, and you brought it upon yourself". That's the true injustice of it--the fact that they will be paying for the mistakes that their parents made. They aren't the only kids who ever had to deal with that, but very few children have been put in the position they have. Their childhood lives and experiences are not their own. They have been shared with the world and seen by millions of people. Their lives are captured on videotape, and on DVD.

I would be mortified if I knew that someone had videotaped and televised the moments where I had a crying fit as a child, or when I threw a tantrum. I would be more than a little messed up if I knew that all my classmates were watching that. If the whole world had access to my parents' personal arguments, I would be even more mortified. No child deserves that, ever. It's bad enough that those things happen in our lives, but to have them seen by the whole world? That's the part that Kate doesn't seem to understand or care about, and that's why I worry about the kids in the future.

MBach said...

I agree with Jane in California about the attitude changing experience most women have on becoming mothers. You love like you have never loved before. You have someone you would give your life for without a thought of self. You are a different person, forever improved.

However, there are the few that do not have that switch. Their children are just extensions of thenselves. Accessories in their life. Something to show off. The mothers and/or fathers that see their children's lives and successes as just further proof of how wonderful THEY are.

Many people do not have to birth children to have the qualities of a parent. One does not have to raise children to love them, respect and honor them. It comes from the heart, the soul, and not the womb.

Heather said...

OK , question for any fan of Kate

When Kate was on the morning show saying that Jon had taken money from a bank account and she could not pay the bills in her purse

Did you believe that Jon had taken ALL of the family's money and left his wife and kids WITHOUT a penny as Kate implied?

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No I do not believe that. She was exaggerating for sure.

For the record, while I like Kate, I do not see her being successful on TV. She doesn't do well on interviews. Her going on a TV show, saying the same lines over and over, and really not answering the questions, IS very annoying to me. I forsee any talk show being a bit like Martha Stewart's show...we all know she's not the nicest/bubbliest person, and she tries on her show, but it comes across as awkward or at least she does in my opinion.

tucker's Mom said...

kate clearly doesn't have any understanding of just how incredibly damaging her mouth is, nor does she apparently care.
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Bingo! There are so many moments in which Kate berated Jon, who by all accounts, became resigned to the point of not even responding when attacked.
I know. I've been the verbally abused spouse. My ex said mean things to me all the time. In fact, I'd get up each and every day knowing that I would do something to irritate him. Breathing-that would do it.
My ex would have no compunction humiliating me in front of others. His actions and words would leave people speechless-literally. The worst part, besides the utter humiliation and embarassment, was seeing the pity in their eyes.
So, I know of what I write here. Kate is, without a doubt, abusive. The episode when JnK were picking out their new kitchen made my stomach turn. In front of the cabinet company people, she treated Jon with complete disregard by asking him what planet he lived on when he gave an inspired suggestion for the renovation (the under counter fridge). And when Kate was informed how great this idea was due to the functionality of the fridge, she had no remorse. "Oh, I guess you are from this planet", she scoffed over her shoulder in Jon's general direction. Jon's look of resignation and shoulder shrug in lieu of defending himself goes to show that his being on the receiving end of the verbal barages was long-term. Only when whittled down from a beautiful tree to a toothpick does one offer no resistance. There's just nothing left but to focus what energy you have on plain survival.
Only when separated from the abuser can one find themselves. I hope Jon does it soon.

tucker's Mom said...

kate clearly doesn't have any understanding of just how incredibly damaging her mouth is, nor does she apparently care.
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Bingo! There are so many moments in which Kate berated Jon, who by all accounts, became resigned to the point of not even responding when attacked.
I know. I've been the verbally abused spouse. My ex said mean things to me all the time. In fact, I'd get up each and every day knowing that I would do something to irritate him. Breathing-that would do it.
My ex would have no compunction humiliating me in front of others. His actions and words would leave people speechless-literally. The worst part, besides the utter humiliation and embarassment, was seeing the pity in their eyes.
So, I know of what I write here. Kate is, without a doubt, abusive. The episode when JnK were picking out their new kitchen made my stomach turn. In front of the cabinet company people, she treated Jon with complete disregard by asking him what planet he lived on when he gave an inspired suggestion for the renovation (the under counter fridge). And when Kate was informed how great this idea was due to the functionality of the fridge, she had no remorse. "Oh, I guess you are from this planet", she scoffed over her shoulder in Jon's general direction. Jon's look of resignation and shoulder shrug in lieu of defending himself goes to show that his being on the receiving end of the verbal barages was long-term. Only when whittled down from a beautiful tree to a toothpick does one offer no resistance. There's just nothing left but to focus what energy you have on plain survival.
Only when separated from the abuser can one find themselves. I hope Jon does it soon.

mamaK said...

I would be mortified if I knew that someone had videotaped and televised the moments where I had a crying fit as a child, or when I threw a tantrum. I would be more than a little messed up if I knew that all my classmates were watching that. If the whole world had access to my parents' personal arguments, I would be even more mortified. No child deserves that, ever. It's bad enough that those things happen in our lives, but to have them seen by the whole world? That's the part that Kate doesn't seem to understand or care about, and that's why I worry about the kids in the future.

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Or what about when Cara and Mady are 16 and hanging at the mall with their friends and someone like BM comes up to them to squeal about how much they have grown and how cute they were at the age of four? If I were the girls, that would creep me out!!!

PJ said...

Betty said...
PJ, I see comments here every day about things that Jon has done wrong. I see him called selfish, immature, narcissistic, and self-absorbed.


The volume of negative comments here about Jon is a small fraction of negative comment of those about Kate.

For example, lots of people post very negatively about Kate calling the paparazzi to photograph them when she is out with the kids. There is no question that Jon encourages the paparazzi as much as Kate. I have seen at most 2-3 posts about that. If there is anger toward Kate for what she is doing to the kids regarding the media constantly photographing them why isn't there that same anger toward Jon?

Or consider Jon stopping the filming. I agree that was a good thing. But I saw no anger here that he allowed a paparazzi onto the property to film the kids when the dogs where being taken away. If it is bad for the kids to be filmed by TLC, it is just as bad for them to be filmed and have it show up on ROL.

Penny said...
know in my case I think Jon has made some very, very bad decisions. And, I've seen him own up to them being bad decisions and then, at least, trying to change
his behavior.


This is what I don't see at all. What behavior is Jon trying to change? I stopped believing that he was at all sincere in his apologies when he said he wanted to work things out with Kate so they could co-parent effectively and in less than 48 hours he was making negative comments about her public. Since his first apology to Kate, he has said several negative things about her publicly.

After his discusssion with Schumley and talk about the inappopriateness of publicly being with other women while married, he was photographed in a bar drinking with women in Hawaii.

He stopped the filming of the kids by TLC but allowed the kids to be filmed by a cameraman on his property when the dogs were taken anyway. He encourages the filming at the bus stop by engaging the paparazzi.

So we have one parent that does not acknowledge her misstakes and flaws -- that is BAD. We have another that constantly admits in public he has made mistakes but continues the behavior - that is EQUALLY BAD.

Sorry the Gosselin kids have 2 AWFUL parents but reading here suggests that people merely occassionally pay lip service to Jon's awfulness.

PA Woman said...

I think what baffles me the most is how the Sheeple can see no wrong with Kate, absolutely love her yet the see no good in Jon and absolutely hate him. They think he is bad for the kids, and shouldn't be allowed around him. Both Kate and Jon have done wrong in this situation. But how can they deny the love he has for those kids? Do they want the show to continiue that much?

PA Woman said...

PJ said...
Sorry the Gosselin kids have 2 AWFUL parents but reading here suggests that people merely occassionally pay lip service to Jon's awfulness.

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I can answer this for myself. First, I see Kates actions more distructive to the Kids then I see Jons actions. Primarily, because he is the one keeping them off the show. Second, the other sites I go to have pages and pages of comments tearing apart Jon and nothing but glowing comments about Kate. Anyone that dares make even the smallest critism about Kate is torn apart. So, I feel there is a whole continency of people out there riping apart Jon and there isn't much I can add to it.

KatyKat said...

The statement "It's how TLC edited it"...doesn't hold any water with me because there are so many instances where the scenes shouldn't have been filmed at all. Therefore, there would be nothing to edit. I doubt TLC had Collin's permission to shove a camera in his face as he was dealing with his excrutiating fecal impaction.

I don't think Joel signed any consent form allowing himself to be filmed w/ the flu on the floor.

Doubt we'll find any paperwork on the tups allowing their express consent for the full frontal nudity or the potty scenes.

I could go on and on and on.



Bottom line...these children are treated without any dignity by TLC and their parents. Many times it's as though Kate purposely goes out of her way to humiliate her kids in order to try to get a laugh or keep the attention on herself. A normal mother/father would never have allowed any filming that would be emotionally/physically harmful to the children now or in the future.


These two put the almighty dollar before the well being of their children.

confused said...

I guess I don't understand the "love" for Kate anymore than I understand the "hate" for Kate that many demonstrate. Just like the people who admire her (ugh) don't know her and are deluded, those who dislike her so intensely are behaving as if they know her well enough to hate her. Personally I don't understand this level of emotion devoted to someone I don't know. It's really confusing to me.

Grace J said...

Hope this works:
Just read this on yahoo and caught a glimpse of this the other night -I believe this is a series finale? If it is adios, Kate, don't let the door hit you on the waaaaay out...buh-bye...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091119/ap_on_en_tv/us_ap_on_tv_jon___kate_finale

lifeoriley said...

Re: PJ
I agree, neither parent is a stellar role model, IMO. I think however, if you go back and read other pre-divorce announcement posts, you will see many negative comments aimed at Jon (and at Jon and Kate as a couple).
People on this blog have questioned Jon's manhood, his intelligence, his ambition and motivation. His clothing and hairplugs were also ridiculed.
Anti-Kate comments may have always been in the majority--perhaps because she gave viewers more material to criticize.
Since the divorce announcement, many posters, myself included, have tried to give Jon some slack. I don't feel right kicking a man when he's down--being bullied by Kate and TLC, IMO. Do I wish he would shut up and live quietly (without being photographed at bars and with women)? Of course! He's acted like a rebellious teenaged doofus at times.
But I just cannot bring myself to call him a terrible father. There is too much evidence in past episodes to the contrary.
Also stopping production of the show has been the best decision he's made--pure motives or no. He sees that filming during a bitter divorce is not good for his kids.
And, I disagree that he is equally as bad as Kate, because at least he seems to be trying, searching for a better way--he's apologized to Kate, at least, and he has stated he's going to therapy.
He may be taking the "one step forward, two-steps back route," but that's better, IMO, than Kates, "full steam ahead" approach to life. She doesn't apologize, recognize that she has done anything wrong, or realize that she has made serious mistakes in her marriage and in the way she has chosen to raise her children--NOTHING. There are always excuses and reasons for her bad behavior. You cannot change what you don't aknowledge--so I don't see Katie Irene changing anytime soon.

ntvnat.com said...

Kate's sincere, eh?

Kate her Story deleted scene: Earpeice trouble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vudV4MuJU

It was a ONE-TO-ONE in-person interview, NOT a satellite interview. There should be noooo reason for her to have an earpiece, except for coaching. Oh, she's SO sincere! Mmm-hmmm.

Heather said...

"And, I disagree that he is equally as bad as Kate, because at least he seems to be trying, searching for a better way--he's apologized to Kate, at least, and he has stated he's going to therapy."

Speaking of sincere, I've seen several comments such as the one above.

Can you HONESTLY tell me that you think Jon pulled the plug on the show and is seeing the rabbi and all that garbage because HE is sincere?

jibberjabbers said...

Those who have seen the show from season 1-4 already knows that Jon really cares for the kids.

Kate is "pretending" to enjoy her time with the kid late in season 5.

Jon was the one who dressed them, played with them, etc etc.

Kate always stood at a distance watching with a sour face, or screaming at him.

Example: Trip to the beach. Jon took the 2 kids to jump the wave.

More kids followed and Kate started screaming to HOLD their hands.

Hello! Jon only has 2 hands. Why didn't Kate get her lazy butt off the chair to help Jon instead of screaming like an idiot?

If you actually watch the show, you will realize how many times Kate sat on her butt while Jon did all the work.

What has Kate done? NOTHING... Sure we see her cook here and there but what ELSE has she done? Nannies took care of the laundry. Jon woke them up, dressed them and got them ready for school.

Jon played with them.

What has Kate done? Please explain. Please share.

M said...

It appears to me, that we have to see the real "picture" here. How many people have been investigated because of pics they want to be printed at everyday photo-mats? I read about cases weekly, where kids in a tub, or on a potty are confiscated and parents are charged. Why can Kate and Jon subject their children to years of comments about the same things because they live under the the title of "reality show"?
IMO, that is the crime. Once on the internet, always available. They should be ashamed of themselves.

call me quasy said...

pamela jaye: i thought i was the only one unable to distinguish between alexis and leah----guess not!

anotherthing... said...

confused said...
I guess I don't understand the "love" for Kate anymore than I understand the "hate" for Kate that many demonstrate. Just like the people who admire her (ugh) don't know her and are deluded, those who dislike her so intensely are behaving as if they know her well enough to hate her. Personally I don't understand this level of emotion devoted to someone I don't know. It's really confusing to me.

11/19/2009 12:19 PM
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confused,

I totally see where you're coming from with this.

I wont speak for everyone, but at least for me, its not that I "hate her" at all. I find her so completely outlandish that it does bring me to a rage in some cases.

What I do hate, is people who create ludicrous situations for themselves and then thrust themselves into the public eye only to complain about being in the public eye and their situation.

I hate it when people make their private life public. I hate when people use/abuse others. I hate it when people dont treat their children with respect/dignity. And most of all, I hate liars, cheaters and people who openly abuse 'the system' (read: any sort of system... legal, the public, generous church-goers who donated to her etc).

So, I do feel quite strongly about Kates actions, her statements and her choices. Only because she has hounded us all with them repeatedly. I also care because she is harming her kids. I don't "know" her personally, but she has made herself available for all of us to "know" what she wants us to know. It ws HER choice to be a 'public figure'. Personally, I wish she'd go the h*** away.

Bottom line, confused, I'm not singling out Kate... I feel strongly about all people who do what she does. Its just that this happens to be a themed discussion.

(P.S. I hope that didnt come acrossed mean or harsh. I was just trying to fully state what I meant. :) I would say it with a lighthearted tone to you if I could. lol)

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

"Many times it's as though Kate purposely goes out of her way to humiliate her kids in order to try to get a laugh or keep the attention on herself."

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Very sad isn't it and a major reason to enact legislation to protec children on reality shows.
This was evident when Kate was doing the obstacle course and told Leah to "stop picking her nose." It's a minor example but when I heard this, I really felt for Leah. TLC should have editted out that line or Kate should have been more appropriate with her daughter and told her to put her hand down away from her face. Or she could have told Leah to stop touching her nose or face and spared Leah the embarrassment.

fidosmommy said...

OK, I'll agree. They're both crappy parents in many ways.

But the children seem closer to Jon. Whatever he has done that has been wrong in parenting his children, they still seem happy to spend time with him. Let the children's voice be heard: "I like Daddy better".

On a related topic, we've been discussing the privacy issue with the children. Here's how I see it.

If it were bath time for your own children, would you text message everyone with a cell phone to send them videos? If it were potty time for your own child, would you send pictures of him/her sitting there to every person on your e-mail address book? Would you encourage people to peek in your open windows to catch your children having a bad day - how they behave and what they say?

WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOUR CHILD?

This is exactly what Jon and Kate have done to their children by having them filmed for all the cable world to see.

"C'mon in, folks! I've never met you before, but what the heck, TLC thinks you're OK. So where do we want to look first? We've got a pooper over there and two brothers in the living room smacking each other on the head with toy trucks, and we've got the little girls all lined up in the shower, stark naked, waiting for you to go watch them get hosed off. Meanwhile our two older girls are upset about some things that happened at school today, so one is stomping her feet and crying and one is trying to hide her face under her hair and just sort of blank-staring. We'll check in on them after the first kid is finished yelling from somewhere in my house that he needs to be wiped. Then we'll all have fun watching the kids' reaction when they hear what's for dinner, with dessert reserved for those who make Mommy and Daddy happy. Get ready to cover your ears, folks, because those boys don't make us happy enough. Won't this be an interesting tour today? I'm so glad you're here! The kids love it.

Welcome to OUR life. We hope you enjoy the show. Our sponsors are...........


No, no responsible parent would do that to their children under any circumstance. Their lives are too precious, too personal to be opening them up to the world to gawk.

Yeah, Jon and Kate are both pretty crappy parents.

anotherthing... said...

fidosmommy said:

"...If it were bath time for your own children, would you text message everyone with a cell phone to send them videos? If it were potty time for your own child, would you send pictures of him/her sitting there to every person on your e-mail address book? Would you encourage people to peek in your open windows to catch your children having a bad day - how they behave and what they say?
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That is an excellent point.

I've always thought of how embarassing it is for me to have 'normal' videos of myself shown to others -even family & close friends- and how much I hate it, and thought about the kids in that respect.

I am admittedly painfully shy, and do not like to be the center of attention at all... and perhaps those kids will not be that way because of the way theyve been brought up. But what if they are...? Oh-how awful.

Anyway- it really is like inviting strangers to peer into your childrens bedroom windows. Creepy.

Don't give up Jon!! said...

Speaking for myself, I can tell you that the passion for which I dislike Kate and her actions comes from dealing with similar people in my own life. For all of the times I've heard that Jon needs to man up, grow a pair, be a man, ect. I do defend Jon. It's so much easier said than done. I know how hard it is to live with someone who is such a dominant force in your life that you just do what they say in order to keep on keeping on. Jon clearly had no say in this marriage. Whether he set it up that way by giving in to her early on in their relationship, or he was slowly stripped of any authority, he was no doubt a broken down man. I lost my mother at 14. I was child #5 and I have a different father than my siblings. I have been told things by my oldest sister such as no one would speak to my mother because she was pregnant with me, she couldn't afford the children she already had, and she was disappointed in me. These things were said to me after her death and I spent alot of time trying to make up for the burden I was on her. It was never enough. I had a health scare that also became about her. It was too stressful for her to think about ME being sick. By the time she was done, I was apologizing to HER for getting an auto-immune disease. There is this strange hold someone can have over you emotionally. The way out for me was to stop letting her. I now take full responsibility for how I let others treat me. After you snap, no one can make you feel bad about yourself. I see the same things in Jon. I watched this show from the beginning and no amount of editing can take away from the love he has for his children. The money doesn't matter. The kisses, hugs, hand holding and glances he gives them matter. He wanted off this show long before TLC wanted him off. I don't care about all the rumors, the contracts on scratch paper, the sex tape(lol). It's all there to break him down. Just for the record, I am able to love my sister inspite of all the horrible things she told me. I think she has her own demons. I know my mom loved me very much. That is why I don't believe she was disappointed in me. And Jon has tried to reach out to Kate. I believe he knows she is the one with the problem. Abuse is never your fault....unless you allow it be.

KB said...

My two cents: I don't have children (yet, although Ican't wait until I do) and I don't need to, to know that Kate's behaviour towards her children is just plain wrong. It's not about her children, everything is about her.

my9cats said...

WOW! What a suprise.
I never expected my little misplaced comment to become it's own thread.
Thank you mods and all who replied, yes sheeple included. Having an open mind I really want to understand what the fascination is with Kate. I just don't want to slog through those tired old cliches that mean absolutely nothing. Thank y'all.

hamandcheesesammich said...

@silimom

This almost brought tears to my eyes because it sums it up perfectly. I pray that Kate sees this somehow.....and takes it in and really hears the message. Great post - thanks Silimom!

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The bottom line is that somewhere along this path, Kate's unique way of providing for her family took precedence over actually caring for her family. I feel a great deal of pity for her, actually. In the end, she will have nothing to show except a failed marriage, 8 children that she has admitted she doesn't have the emotional resources to parent and a sense of entitlement that the world owes her and her children a lifestyle they've grown accustomed to but can't possibly afford.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Personally, I don't hate Kate. In fact, I used to admire her, even though I did cringe at her treatment of Jon at times. I, however, like others, gave her a pass due to the stress of eight young kids (six of them toddlers all at the same time).

But slowly she began to change or evolve and the more I saw the more I was disenchanted. Now I really just see her for what she is.

Jon isn't perfect by any means and has made a lot of mistakes during their separation but the love between him and his children is so obvious and I don't see that between the kids and Kate, which is sad.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Very sad isn't it and a major reason to enact legislation to protec children on reality shows.
This was evident when Kate was doing the obstacle course and told Leah to "stop picking her nose." It's a minor example but when I heard this, I really felt for Leah. TLC should have editted out that line or Kate should have been more appropriate with her daughter and told her to put her hand down away from her face. Or she could have told Leah to stop touching her nose or face and spared Leah the embarrassment."

I didn't like that either and Leah won't either when the kids at school start teasing her about it.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Midnight Serenade said...

"I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week."

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What about passing judgment on someone you know personally?


Midnight Serenade, do you know Kate personally? Or did I read your post wrong?

Momof2 said...

I don't hate kate said...

I don't think she's a very affectionate mother but a lot of mothers aren't.
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Seriously? You are kidding right?

Momof2 said...

Kannie said...

Interesting sheeple post. Enlightened, I am not. Granted, I agree that TLC edits for dramatic effect. Additionally, I wore heels until I got a brain and bunions at about age 30.

Kate's biggest crime is not her: chronic mangling of the English language, rudeness, fake boobs, high heels, hideous hairdo, baby doll dresses, fake crying, or over-the-top narcissism.

Kate's crime is hypocrisy. She calls herself a christian but treats others with disdain and disrespect. She says she cares about the well-being of her children yet exploits them for big bucks at every turn. She clearly has given no thought to the extended life of all the material presented on the program. "Hannah pooped in Hannah's unnawears" will be echoed for years to come - and Hannah will be haunted by it. Kate claims she hates the word celebrity but basks in the limelight, even disobeying a judge's order to keep her mouth shut, to conduct high profile media interviews.

I'll make a sweeping generalization here, but I don't think the sheeple get it. They need to think outside the box.
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By George, you've hit the nail on the head. I couldn't have said it better.

mrsdustysmom said...

Today is my birthday.
The best gift I got was being able to tick off another day in the count down to the end of J&K+8.

Thank you everyone.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Granted, I agree that TLC edits for dramatic effect. Additionally, I wore heels until I got a brain and bunions at about age 30."


Yes, they do; the Roloffs have confirmed that.

But...why don't we see the same bickering/nastiness with the Duggars? Or the new family; the Hayes? It has to exist to edit around it.


"Kate's biggest crime is not her: chronic mangling of the English language, rudeness, fake boobs, high heels, hideous hairdo, baby doll dresses, fake crying, or over-the-top narcissism.

Kate's crime is hypocrisy. She calls herself a christian but treats others with disdain and disrespect. She says she cares about the well-being of her children yet exploits them for big bucks at every turn. She clearly has given no thought to the extended life of all the material presented on the program. "Hannah pooped in Hannah's unnawears" will be echoed for years to come - and Hannah will be haunted by it. Kate claims she hates the word celebrity but basks in the limelight, even disobeying a judge's order to keep her mouth shut, to conduct high profile media interviews."


And here you said it all. Having my eyes opened to all this is what brought me to this site.

Good post.

Hello People!!! said...

ntvnat.com said...
Kate's sincere, eh?

Kate her Story deleted scene: Earpeice trouble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vudV4MuJU

It was a ONE-TO-ONE in-person interview, NOT a satellite interview. There should be noooo reason for her to have an earpiece, except for coaching. Oh, she's SO sincere! Mmm-hmmm.
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Ok watched this video and earpiece... well she needs feed info to sound semigrounded and responsible BUT WAIT... WTF is she pulling the childrens pictures out of the couch???!!! Can't go to the dollar store to buy an $1 album? Is she hiding them and only using them when they are usful? Why would you put your children's photos IN the couch??!! WTF??!!

Tess said...

M - that is EXACTLY it. The big picture view. WHY can they get away with this under 'reality show'. If PERSON X decided to regularly share on youtube pics of their children undressed, left on a laundry room floor sick, being hit etc... - you bet there would be an investigation.

I can not get over the BASIC issue that these kids have no power to consent or not to all of this. Can you imagine how Leah felt with her pic of being spanked plastered all over the tabloids. Even if SHE was sheilded from them, how many kids standing in line at the checkout counter saw it. The poop in the potties was over the top, Hannah having an accident, kids jumping up and down screaming, distressed all as 'entertainment'. Bull. Period.

I actually hated the Nanny shows and Wife Swap before J&K for the same reason. Trauma for the kids. Can you imagine... inviting a stranger to live at your house for a week and the kid is supposed to listen to them, obey, deal with their nuttiness. I mean Balloon Boy's parents were in two episodes. The poor kids that encountered them. Shame on the parents for allowing it all. Even though those are one shot deals, they are still on video forever and a single incident can be incredibly traumatizing - heck the adults were shown as horribly upset in those shows, and the kids were there to witness a good bit of it.

None of this should be happening. The Gosselin's (and other families) collecting a paycheck to expose their kids childhoods, poop, and private moments on tape is IMO = just wrong.

I'm headed off on a tangent here...

Why more dislike for Kate vs Jon... Kate's "dry humor" is at someone's expense, her kids, Jon, people helping and giving to the family. It is possible to have wonderful dry wit that does not involve a bashing someone. Yes, Jon has had moments - more like we all do - but Kate, that is her whole show - side comments, making fun of her kids 'kidishness', she is all about what went wrong, how hard it is, how people fail to do her bidding...

I am far from perfect, have my moments, but you honestly could not edit my life to look like that. And I (our family) has real stress - are dealing with real adversity - nothing we brought on ourselves - like my husband with an incurable disease and recent brain surgery and our son with a rare disorder of the bowels that has him in pain so often... We parent, are kind to each other and respectful and so grateful for any help we receive. We are thankful to have each other, count our blessings, which are many and do not just use it all as an excuse to be snippy, hateful, self absorbed and on and on ad infinitum. Not only that, we recognize that people are going through much worse that we are. Truly. Daily. It's called perspective and mental health.

Those two can provide for their kids without selling them for profit. They can work, budget, live, laugh, and love together without cameras. A 'regular size' house, a trip or two, grandparents, friends and a box of popsicles running around joyfully getting dirty, camping in the backyard for real all summer, family games where there is laughter (that builds kids up not tears them down) cuddling, just warm and loving... THAT makes memories. That you can hand down to the next generation.

moo said...

Yah know , i can understand the parents of multiples taking the opportunity to do an occasiona/rare tv special. You get some cash and the "fun" of being on tv.

But it seems that they were a show first and family second.

Both parents seem to love the lime light and being a celebrity.

These kids are already damaged.

gwen said...

ntvnat.com said...
Kate's sincere, eh?

Kate her Story deleted scene: Earpeice trouble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vudV4MuJU

It was a ONE-TO-ONE in-person interview, NOT a satellite interview. There should be noooo reason for her to have an earpiece, except for coaching. Oh, she's SO sincere! Mmm-hmmm.


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Sorry but this clip doesn't prove she's wearing an earpiece. I didn't see any wires and it looks like she's touching the side of her face, something I've seen plenty of people do when they're looking down at something.

pogo said...

Fidosmommy, could not agree with you more. Besides showing your kids like that, there are weirdos, sickos who like little kids, who think of nothing to make pics from TV screens, for their own twisted sick minds. Thankyou Kate/TLC for giving fuel, to these sick people. And to former9lives who likes Kates humour, I think you should re-evaluate yourself, your idolnest of Kate, you will end up like her and your boyfriend like Jon, trust US here, you don't want to be like Kate. Her joking is hurtful, not funny. Kate has a Jeckel & Hyde personality, which can turn dangerous, she could flip -out one day and kill her children and say it was an accident(heaven forbid). As, for filming at their house , was it not 24/7, so what we see is who Kate is. First impressions. I don't see what Sheeples say to anyone who criticizes Kate: jealous, of what? I think all or most of US here are concerned about the kids, whether we have children or not. So many adults these days are goofy, watch the news and Judge Judy. They like Kate, are tryin to re-write, things to justify, their actions.

Calamity Jane said...

I don't see that it was necessarily criticism of Heather to point out that she might feel differently if she were a mother. I agree that most people are capable of empathy, regardless of whether they're parents. And I'll grant that parenthood doesn't change some people that much.

I have a four month old daughter, so I've been on both sides of the fence as this entire sad Gosselin spectacle has unfolded. In my case, motherhood really has given me a deeper appreciation of just how defective Kate is as a human being. For example, when she left Joel on the laundry room floor when he was sick, I knew that was just awful, and I wasn't even pregnant yet. It was just common sense--no one would treat anyone who they care about like that.

I didn't appreciate the depth of feeling that a mother has for her child until my daughter was born. In light of that, Kate's behavior is even more appalling than it seemed at first. And I keep thinking about Jon, and what he must have thought. I love my husband, but if I arrived home to find that he had treated our daughter the way Kate treated Joel, I would think that he had lost his mind, and I would seriously question his parenting ability.

So, in my case, I knew she was bad before, but I didn't understand just how bad until I had a child of my own.

PA Woman said...

confused said...
I guess I don't understand the "love" for Kate anymore than I understand the "hate" for Kate that many demonstrate. Just like the people who admire her (ugh) don't know her and are deluded, those who dislike her so intensely are behaving as if they know her well enough to hate her. Personally I don't understand this level of emotion devoted to someone I don't know. It's really confusing to me.

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I actually feel the same way. I don't read the comments about Kates clothes, shoes, hair etc. In my mind who cares? I don't hate/love Jon/Kate vise versa...etc...

I'm just sick and tired of seeing the kids being taken advantage of. I'm frustrated when I read comments at other sites talking about how good the show is for the kids and the advantages it has given them. These "fans" and Kate in their defense of the show baffles me. How can they NOT see that it is not fair to the kids?

Do I care of Jon or Kate do in their personal lifes? Honestly no I do not, unless it is impacting the kids. And, we honestly don't know if it is or is not. Otherwise, they are adults and as far as I am concern can do what they like.

In summary, I don't hate Kate, but disagree with her position to have the kids on TV. Jon, I really have no opinion on either way, but am quite pleased that he stopped the filming.

MickeyMcKean said...

gwen said...
ntvnat.com said...
Kate's sincere, eh?

Kate her Story deleted scene: Earpeice trouble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vudV4MuJU

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Sorry but this clip doesn't prove she's wearing an earpiece. I didn't see any wires and it looks like she's touching the side of her face, something I've seen plenty of people do when they're looking down at something.

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I did not see any wires either BUT that does not mean that there is not a high tech earpiece these days that is "wireless".

In fact as I type this, don't the women on The View use earpieces? Has anyone seen any obvious wires?

In any case, wires or no wires, due to the way Kate had her finger to her ear indicated to me that there was an earpiece of some sort and in the deleted scene she was having some problems with it.

Geema said...

There was a time when I was a sheeple. I LOVED the show and the on camera fighting and bickering between Jon and Kate would make me both laugh and cringe. My husband and I tend to have the same kind of relationship and I do boss him around. We've been married for 25 years and I found out right away that I had to be in charge of things if I wanted anything done. Not very complmentary to either me or him, but the truth of it is that it works for us most of the time. I can see why, with so many children all the same age, Kate was so schrewish. I sympathized with her to some degree.

As far as the show... it went south for me before the divorce. I just got sick of seeing the family on sooooo many trips. It just didn't ring true anymore. I have only four kids, all different ages and as broke as we were when they were small, I hired a babysitter just to go to the grocery store ALONE. Going anywhere with a pack of kids is a pain in the neck and here was this family taking all of these ridiculous trips when it would have been more practical to just stay home or close to home. I started to think it wasn't the realest reality show right after they went to Colorado because a real family in their position would NOT MAKE THAT TRIP.

Now I am so anti Jon and Kate I no longer watch at all. The divorce and the poor kids plastered on tabloid covers have officially done me in. There is nothing amusing about a contentious divorce in the public eye when there are children involved.

Yolanda said...

I think it's important to separate the things about Kate that make her a "bad" person versus something that just makes her unlikable.

For example, the way she makes up words is not a bad thing. It's irritating, but it doesn't make her a bad person.

Same is true when she wears horrific shoes, or the fact that she likes freebies, or the way she always sits on her white chair outside, etc.

To me, those things don't make her a bad person. When I read comments about that kind of behavior I find it fun to read, but it doesn't concern me as much as other things. Because really...at the end of the day, who cares if her shoes are ugly?

But there is not way to excuse the truly hateful things she does to her kids. Those are the things I can't forgive and the things that makes Kate more than just unlikable. To me these things makes her a "bad" person.

Putting Joel on the laundry room floor, the ugly things she says about the boys, gumgate, etc. I think these are the things we need to focus on more than anything.

Eat your vegetables said...

confused said...
I guess I don't understand the "love" for Kate anymore than I understand the "hate" for Kate that many demonstrate. (snipped) Personally I don't understand this level of emotion devoted to someone I don't know. It's really confusing to me.

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This is an excellent question! I found myself asking the same thing. Why the hell do I care about this not-a-mommy? For me, I don't know KG personally, but my brother's wife is Kate with a different head (strangely, with a similarish HairDon't though). My sister-in -law is everything Kate is minus 5 children. She got the litter Kate wanted(Kate said she has 5 more than she wanted....blah blah drivel blah). My SIL regularly used manipulation to turn my family members against eachother. Eventually, my sister and I had an arguement that became a screaming match of you said this, you said that in which the common denominator was my SIL. I stay away from her now. She was always the marytr. Always came out smelling rosie fresh too. Kate's the same way. She's gotten away with all her crap while Jon can't wipe a cut without being criticized. From now on he better carry a first aid fanny pack void of alcohol wipes. So, my frustrations are just a branch of not knowing her literally, but knowing her brand of mom-ster all too well. I'm sure I'm not alone. For me, this blog is a special place where others understand where you are coming from. Kinda like Cheers, but much funnier! It's the one place that I can safely be proud to be a HEEPLE!

HW said...

I keep going back to the argument that so many Kate supporters make (besides the "you're just jealous" one.) And that is that she has to provide for her kids and this is a great way to do it.

We all have to provide for our kids but it is not the kids responsibility to be breadwinners. No single mom I know takes her small children to work with her and says "I have to earn a paycheck....get busy." Yes, Kate has to provide for her kids but she has the responisibility to do so without making her children earn a paycheck too. She needs to make a living that doesn't involve her children. The rest of us are doing it, so can she.

Jonstheherohere said...

PA Woman said:

I don't think you will find many here that love Jon. You will find several willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since he seems to have the kids best interest in mind, i.e. taking them off the show.
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I think what many are missing is the fact that Jon is a victim of spousal abuse. Perhaps his behaviour should be seen in that light. Perhaps he needs time, lots of time, to recover.

Despite being victimized by a cold, self-centered wife, he has never wavered in his love and support of his children from what I can see, and that says a lot about his character.

Imo, she has no character.

Note to 28-yr. old sheeple: it's unfair to compare writers on this board with your heroine because "everyone" has a few snippy moments. Snippy moments do not equate to abusive moments, of which Kate has had many, espec. toward Jon. Perhaps you remember all the times Kate suddenly slapped Jon on the face or leg or arm, or humiliated him in public. Would you mind if your boyfriend treated you that way? I'll bet the answer is yes.

Later in life you may realize that that and other forms of cruelty displayed by this woman were, indeed, abuse.

Those instances are why I stopped watching the show.

Amusing? You've got to be kidding.

Watch what you wish for said...

Dearest Sheeple,

May your son's and grandson's fall in love with a woman EXACTLY like Kate.

The not-so good,the bad and the ugly.

bucky said...

didn't appreciate the depth of feeling that a mother has for her child until my daughter was born. In light of that, Kate's behavior is even more appalling than it seemed at first. And I keep thinking about Jon, and what he must have thought. I love my husband, but if I arrived home to find that he had treated our daughter the way Kate treated Joel, I would think that he had lost his mind, and I would seriously question his parenting ability.
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Especially if you were GREETED at the door with "name" threw up in his comforter, no more comforters for "name"

lollollolololol said...

formy9lives said: "I think one very key thing that everyone forgets on this blog is that this show is edited. TLC edits it to make you go crazy on the blogs and to entertain the audience. I just don't feel that I can pass judgement on someone based on about 20 minutes of their life each week."


I respectfully disagree. It is well documented that Kate was rude, indifferent, cold and heartless well before fame, fortune and TLC came knocking. Not to mention her unresonable demands of entitlement.

She's the same biotch she was before the show started, only now she's a biotch with new boobs, a stomach emblazoned with the Nike swoosh, the wardrobe of a New Jersey stripper and a nesting possum on her head.

OH Mom said...

I have no idea why people like this woman - it is baffling.

I honestly think many, many of them have a "crush" on her and if you call them on it, they get all weirdly defensive (which just confirms it even more).
There is nothing wrong with that, so I don't know why they don't admit it, but they won't.

I think that is about 60% of them.

Abuse runs rampant in our society and I think alot of these "defenders" come from abusive backgrounds. It's weird.
I see blogs and posts where women will go on and on and on about how they were abused by their man or father, but do NOT recognize the abuse in Kate AND they will say they were not abused when you point out Kate's obvious abuse of her husband and children.
They actually staunchly defend her.
I think their abuse must have been SOOOOO bad that they actually think hitting and verbally abusing children and spouses is "okay".
That is BOTH scary and weird.

I could go on and on all day, but another common thread is an obvious lack of education.
(ie: horrendous spelling, cannot put together cohesive sentences or thoughts)
Again, these people will NOT pick up a book or take a class, but will sit in front of their computer all day defending Kate and say how educated they are and what does it matter.
They just don't "get it" and sadly (and for alot of little children - scarily) they never will.

I find it fruitless to try to find out what it is.
I mean c'mon - -these are the same people that watch Tila Tequila, et al.
There will always be people who have nothing to do with their time then spend it on scum.
Just they way it is and no use trying to figure it out.

We just try to keep it out of our lives.
I will say thing, it is unfortunate alot of the comments here are such personal attacks against Kate.
I think what she did to her children was very wrong - she exploited them for financial gain - and one day she really will realize that.

However, I had to stop coming to this site, because it got away from the purpose of it's stated goal, which was to help the children (which I am all for) and like another poster said -- because 90% just negative and personal attacks against Kate.
What color shoes she wears should NOT be part of the discussion.

Just glad the kids are safe, finally.

Can't See Sheep said...

OH Mom said...
Abuse runs rampant in our society and I think alot of these "defenders" come from abusive backgrounds.
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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them were narcissistic abusers just like kate. Their behaviour is not unlike that of a bully & they display a thug like mentality. Maybe they were abused, abusers usually are, but they're adults & display far too much aggression for me to feel any pity. You never find a sheeple that can defend kate without getting juvenile & over emotional.

And I mean hard core sheeple, not formy9lives/ heather that posted here. She doesn't strike me as sheeple, at least not any I have had the displeasure to come across.

Strangely I've never been curious about what makes them tick/ why they like kate so much, they all just strike me as being nuts & I tend to like to stay as far away from that kind of crazy (the high irrationality & ability to delude themselves about everything) as possible, I've experienced enough to last several life times. It drains energy, causes all manner of damages & NEVER achieves anything positive. They are not worth the time it takes to argue with them, not worth the effort.

They see kate pulling this kind of abuse on TV so it okays whatever crap they do in real life. It's validation that their behaviour & what they do is alright.

Can't See Sheep said...

gwen said...
ntvnat.com said...
Kate's sincere, eh?

Kate her Story deleted scene: Earpeice trouble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3vudV4MuJU

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Sorry but this clip doesn't prove she's wearing an earpiece. I didn't see any wires and it looks like she's touching the side of her face, something I've seen plenty of people do when they're looking down at something.
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They don't have obvious wires anymore. The ones I've seen very in size from blue-tooth to a tiny one similar to my uncle's hearing aid (he freaked when they suggested a little one that could still be seen). I'm trying to find a link to show you, so far it's blue-tooth everywhere. It wouldn't be hard for them to get this kind, only a matter of money & given the vanity in TV today (not to mention that they're supposed to be more comfortable), they probably have them, no reason not to really. You don't see a lot of wires hanging out on the reporters live on location anymore. You do on some, but not all.

this link isn't the one I want, but it is interesting & the technology is not uncommon, interesting how it's all connected through the cellphone like they show on the short video of it.
http://www.gsm-earpiece.com/?gclid=CO6L6LOmm54CFchn5QodJ2l0pg

Having watched the clip with kate on youtube, she could very well be having problems with one, I don't know for sure if she is or isn't but it definitely looks like something is off/ doesn't look natural/ out of step. something is certainly not right, but i don't know enough about this stuff to call it. I'll ask hubby when he gets up, he knows about this stuff.

Momof2 said...

MickeyMcKean said...

I did not see any wires either BUT that does not mean that there is not a high tech earpiece these days that is "wireless".

In fact as I type this, don't the women on The View use earpieces? Has anyone seen any obvious wires?
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Yes!! I watched Sherri do it today while they were reviewing the hottest toys...she suddenly touched her ear and held it-just like Kate did -and then interrupted to announce freebies and that they would be right back!

Maude said...

Watch what you wish for said:
May your son's and grandson's fall in love with a woman EXACTLY like Kate.

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Why would you attack this woman? She was respectful when she wrote her post, why couldn't you extend her the same courtesy?

Your comment was just plain nasty, cruel and ugly.

NoUse4Kate said...

Maude I took that post to maybe make those who think K8 is ok to stop and think about actually having someone like that in your family.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Heather said:
Are there ever episodes that you think that Kate is being "acceptable." I realize that you can't look past all the narcissism, personality, etc. that you don't like about her, but do you ever watch and say, "oh that was a nice family moment?"
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One - playing "Duck,Duck, Goose."

goawayJandK said...

Are there ever episodes that you think that Kate is being "acceptable." I realize that you can't look past all the narcissism, personality, etc. that you don't like about her, but do you ever watch and say, "oh that was a nice family moment?"

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It is one of the first episodes, the tups are babies.

K8 goes into the nursery and one of the girl tups (I can't remember, I'm thinking it was Alexis) had an explosion all up and down her backside. K8 did yelp out " Oh Lordy Be", but, JMO, it was a reaction any parent would have, just like an OH. MY GOODNESS. moment. She then takes the baby into the tub to wash her. At one point, K8 looks at the baby, cups her chin and lets out a little giggle. There wasn't even a snide comment(that I remember anyway), about Jon not being home to give her a bath.

It was real, it was sweet, and unfortunately it was one of the only times I can remember that K8 seemed like a loving parent.

I wouldn't say it was a "family moment" but K8 seemed totally normal in this scene.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Re: Jon's feelings about his kids and TLC's editing practces:

In Joelgate, when Jon came home from work and found Joel on the (linoleum) laundry room floor, he carried him up to "our bedroom so he could watch t.v." I saw caring and compassion. (Yes, he was on a quilt on the carpeted floor.) A little while later Joel had vomited again-this time on the carpet. Jon proceeded to calmly take care of Joel and clean up. Imagine Kate's reaction to vomit on HER precious carpet in HER room and the amount of editing or non -filming that went on.

fidosmommy said...

Fairly recently on The View, Whoopi Goldberg said she was wearing an earpiece, and she pulled her hair back from her ear to show. It was not visible to me,
and I doubt anybody who was not standing behind Whoopi, pulling her hair out of the way, could see it either. There did not seem to be any kind of wire, but then Whoopi has lots and lots of hair.

When Barbara Walters is on The View, she wears one, and will often touch the side of her head just like Kate did when somebody in the control room is talking to her.

Local TV newsanchors often still have the "telephone coil" gizmo coming out of their ears, but I've not seen one of those on a network
show in a very long time.

This is the second time (well, third, but the View taped 2 shows on one day) we've seen Kate with that swept hair on her right side, making it harder to see her ear. When she's got her "normal" (?)
hair cascade going on, she keeps pushing it behind her ear or flipping her head around, neither of which would do well if she had on an earpiece. She'd either knock it out or it would fly out and smack Sherri on the face.

I firmly believe she was wearing an earpiece and listening to somebody give her some direction.
Kate was a guest, she would not be
getting show direction from the director. That would be going into Natalie Morales' earpiece. Kate was most likely getting words put in her mouth from a PR person, words she could not quite understand at that moment.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Livnluv said
Those were some scary women! I was creeped out. Funny thing is, as much as they love Kate, Kate seems to be annoyed and disgusted by them. She has no warm feelings toward fans at all and is just now starting to acknowledge that she is nothing without the few she does have. But that is just out of desperation and a last grasp at her final 15 minutes.
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This comment prompts me to ask, Who DOES Kate have warm feelings for? Seriously.
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Kate. Seriously.

MBach said...

In naming moments we like on J&K+8 N.E.Psychologist named the Duck Duck Goose episode. I think it was titled Games Gosselins Play.

Yes, it seems the kids were having fun, but there is a shot of Kate/hate sitting on the floor bellowing out something. Her mouth wide open, her face twisted, her usual look IMO. I believe she is making fun of Jon trying to give the kids rules about how to play some game.

There isn't a single episode that I have seen that some Kate ranting doesn't take place, or she doesn't show cold indifference towards her children or husband. Even the sad I'm doing it all for my kids can-do Kate episodes have the same theme. Its ALL about HER.

This is the same reason I do NOT find her funny. Her humor is always at someone else's expense. Again I say, NOT funny Kate. You are NOT funny.

The only reason I ever watched (haven't watched for over a year now) was to see the kids. I thought and still think that they are cute kids.

N.E. Psychologist said...

MBach, re: Games Gosselins Play

I'm pretty sure that was the name of the episode. I just want to clarify that I wasn't referring to the entire episode but simply to the game they played of Duck, Duck, Goose. I remember that things did not remain that pleasant.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Re: Jon's feelings about his kids and TLC's editing practces:

In Joelgate, when Jon came home from work and found Joel on the (linoleum) laundry room floor, he carried him up to "our bedroom so he could watch t.v." I saw caring and compassion. (Yes, he was on a quilt on the carpeted floor.) A little while later Joel had vomited again-this time on the carpet. Jon proceeded to calmly take care of Joel and clean up. Imagine Kate's reaction to vomit on HER precious carpet in HER room and the amount of editing or non -filming that went on."

Jon also had to point out that Joel was "burning up".

Calamity Jane said...

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Jon also had to point out that Joel was "burning up".

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Well, if there was ever any doubt, it seems that returning to nursing isn't a great plan for Kate. "Can't go back," indeed.

Kornie said...

Eight kids are now off the hook for being responsible to support themselves and their parents. That makes me pro-Kate, not because I'm a sheeple, but because the success of her new show gives those kids a chance for a normal life. She's going to have to WORK to be successful now rather than live off the graciousness of the kind of people that are inherently drawn to young, Christian, struggling families like hers. I've never thought her kids are any cuter than anyone else's, but they're human beings, and I am hoping she's successful for THEIR sakes. The "attraction" of Kate I think is that she is the "stand-in" for all the hateful women you've ever met in your life. You can't resist seeing where she ends up.

Momof2 said...

Kornie said...

Eight kids are now off the hook for being responsible to support themselves and their parents. That makes me pro-Kate, not because I'm a sheeple, but because the success of her new show gives those kids a chance for a normal life. She's going to have to WORK to be successful now rather than live off the graciousness of the kind of people that are inherently drawn to young, Christian, struggling families like hers. I've never thought her kids are any cuter than anyone else's, but they're human beings, and I am hoping she's successful for THEIR sakes. The "attraction" of Kate I think is that she is the "stand-in" for all the hateful women you've ever met in your life. You can't resist seeing where she ends up.
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Her's is not a "struggling family". There are many families out there who are TRULY struggling to put food on the table, to pay their mortgages and have never had the opportunity to go on a vacation.

....and Kate being a Christian is truly debatable. Calling yourself one doesn't make you one...actions and words speak volumes.

pattyham said...

One of the few times I can remember seeing Kate really look like she was enjoying herself was in the episode where I think it's Leah goes to the bouncy house place, just the three of them. She is climbing through the maze and as she comes through the rollers she looks like she is really laughing and in the moment with Jon and Leah, not the cameras.

Weirdly enough, as I watched that clip I thought, "wow, she is really pretty", and I can't remember another time thinking that about her.

I agree with when they were playing duck duck goose and when she is giving the poopy baby girl (I can't remember which one) a bath and she lets out a spontaneous giggle.