Monday, November 23 - It's a Crazy Life, But it's Our Life


In the series finale Kate and the kids milk cows at a dairy farm. Jon and the kids learn about firefighting and help out at a firestation. Then, Jon and Kate speak about recent life events, the series and the ups and downs of the last few years.


The show is over and so is the marriage. This is Kate leaving the arbitration today. Hopefully this will be a cautionary tale to other families now involved or considering involvement in reality TV.

So long and farewell.

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Lucy said...

With the emphasis on "Crazy" we now sign off on Khate.
Oh and the rest of the Gosselins? Buh bye lovely children ... I hope only good things come your way in a nice private loving home. Sweet "hot puppy" dreams to you all!
Buh bye Jon ... may we never see you in the tabloids again. Stay close to home, stay private and protect what is most important ... your kids!

Not a Fan of Catnip said...

Gosselin Finale? FINALE as in 'now Jon & Kate will finally go permanently AWAY? I'll believe that when I see it.

The entire Gosselin saga has played out like some kind of evil genius college marketing project to determine and define:

What sells?

Which market is most lucrative, therefore the market to which we want to pander?

How far can we push the envelope - from a media-created conservative right wing 'christian' persona to the Witch on Wheels with Store Bought TaTa's and Horny Remedial High School Doofus Dude.

The planting conflicting he said/she said stories in the media. Then complaining about said stories.

Arranging for photogs to consistently show up.

Then individual and collective whining about those same photogs.

And now a few weeks media black out strategy followed by fabricated 'roses to the courthouse' enactment and joint and melancholy "Days of Wine & Roses" couch commentary from the ACTORS.

TLC has lost this viewer forever. I refuse to be a party to their 'Circus Side Show/Freaks on Parade' programming.

TLC seems to believe their low class programming crap is to viewers what catnip is to cats.

Well, color this cat permanently gone and down the alley.

fidosmommy said...

When I saw the promo for the series finale, I got up, did a little happy dance, and waved bye bye to children and wished them a normal, happy, satisfying, enriching, exciting, educational,
and loving life. I also wished them a few scraped knees to show them they are just regular kids,
and lots of opportunities to find out who they are as individual people.

Kate, I will not miss you, dear.
I will not find a void in my life in the small space where you once
were. I will think about you only enough to be thankful you are no longer willfully and knowingly
letting your children be exploited so you can put bread on the table.

Jon, I wish you well. I wish you
much time to discover who you really are, and the ability to make decisions that will bring lasting happiness to your 8 children and yourself. I'm still ticked with you for being complicit
in the children-on-TV thing, but you tried to make life as normal as possible even with cameras in their faces. Maybe you weren't even given a vote on the filming, who knows with Kate around? Anyway, please, now make their lives as normal as possible without the cameras, OK Jon? Best wishes to you, and give each one of the children a big hug right from the heart, ya hear?

Bye Bye Aaden, Joel, Leah, Collin,
Alexis, Hannah, Mady and Cara. Happy trails.

Adios, Kate. (oh, that felt good!)

It's Your Life, What you gonna do? The world is Watching you!!! said...

I'm not going to lie... when I hear the sappy music that goes along with the commerical for the finale of this trainwreck, I get sad. Sad that we have in fact watched these kids grow up, watched every monumental moment in their life unfold on national TV, and now it will be gone. I worry for each and every one of these kids that their lives have been so screwed up by their parents that there is irreversible permanent damage. Truth be told, I hope that we hear about the kids every now in then just to see how they are doing and if they have spiralled down.

Please Go Away said...

I don't believe it for a second. I predict by spring all 10 will be back filming again, and it will be back to business as usual.

Rose said...

Let me take a wild guess at some of the dialogue:

Producer: So why is the show ending?
Kate: Um, you know, uh, I would love to continue with the kids and, uh, they would agree, but, um, you know, Jon doesn't want them to do it. The kids, um, they are angry. They want to film, and it, um, makes me very sad that Jon won't let them have that. It's, um, very difficult. Boo hoo hoo hoo.....

Mark my words, she and TLC will take every opportunity they can in this episode to make it clear that Jon is destroying this wonderful learning experience/exploitation method for the children. Only the strongest will be able to sit through the whole thing, and I don't know if I'm one of them.

It would be easy to say that for the Gosselin children, things will change for the better, but sadly, I don't think Miss Kate is going to allow that. She will be too busy trash-talking their father and martyring herself to think about what those little ones need. I wish them the best, though.

Alie said...

Good riddance.

Noticed Kate's multi-colored mullet on a woman in Vancouver Canada yesterday.

The contagion must be stopped.

KittyKat said...

Alie said...

Good riddance.

Noticed Kate's multi-colored mullet on a woman in Vancouver Canada yesterday.

The contagion must be stopped.


I too saw the infamous do at the grocery store today. I was caught staring at the poor woman. I rushed off to run into the bananas.

I read on Perez Hilton that the show will move forward in 2010.

With the children.

I had to swallow the vomit in my mouth.

shawna said...

Party at my house Monday night! You are all invited....

Please bring eight fast food happy meals, one bag of Doritos, "organic" Monkey Munch,
a handful of grapes and crackers, one camera crew, a bodyguard and a bigger then life ego!

LP said...

Unfortunately I think that her show coming in spring 2010 leads in to summer 2010 leads in to filming the kids on their latest vacation...Yes, J&K+8 is ending but the show must go on (so kate can stay in the spotlight). I fear that the kids will continue to be filmed for her new show. How many episodes can they film over the summer before the kids have to go back to school?

Brummygirl said...

Much as I would like to do a happy dance to the closing of this fiasco, my gut tells me this is far from over. I bet there are people around the air waves celebrating on Monday for its demise.
If I am wrong, then I wish the children a life full of love, laughter, closeness, sans cameras and Mother Dearest in your faces.
Jon, step up and take charge of your childrens' lives. Make sure you and Kate never allow a public camera on those children again.
Be the one who really takes the *high road* and ensure they lead a better life than they already have.
It will not be easy away from the spotlight, but you have to do this or those eight little souls will belong once again to T.L.C.
I never watched any other show on T.L.C. but this one and I hope that this channel goes down in flames.

dustilies said...

Shawna said . . .

Party at my house Monday night! You are all invited....

Please bring eight fast food happy meals, one bag of Doritos, "organic" Monkey Munch,
a handful of grapes and crackers, one camera crew, a bodyguard and a bigger then life ego!

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You're on, sweetie!

Can I bring cupcakes? Also, can I bring whatever I want to drink in my Starbucks cup? Will someone massage my feet? And bring me my coffee just so in the am, when I am recovering on your couch? (altitude sickness, you know)

Shoshanna said...

Shawna said . . .

Party at my house Monday night! You are all invited....

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dustlilies said...
You're on, sweetie!
Can I bring cupcakes?
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Yes, you can bring cupcakes.
But you can't EAT THEM!

Dee Dee said...

Please Go Away said...
I don't believe it for a second. I predict by spring all 10 will be back filming again, and it will be back to business as usual.

I agree - I predict that in a couple of months TLC will announce a new show All About Kate in which the children will "occasionally" appear. That will be true for the first few episodes but then it will be back to business as usual with all 8 kids appearing in most of each episode.

Brummygirl said...

If as some say the children will be back filming again, I fail to see how they will do this unless it is all during the summer when the children are off school.
By that time, the children will be used to their freedom and I cannot see them going back to filming without a fight, especially Mady and Cara.

dustilies said...

Shoshannna said . . .

Yes, you can bring cupcakes.
But you can't EAT THEM!

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But I'm a girl! And I can poke grapes and cheese cubes around a paper plate with the best of them.
Plus I'm photogenictally thin.

Miss said...

Didn't see the dozen red roses that Jon gave Kate. Oh well she has the thorns.

lisa k. said...

The milking the cow for the last epi seems appropriate...they have been milking the viewers for years...

Can't See Sheep said...

lisa k. said...

The milking the cow for the last epi seems appropriate...they have been milking the viewers for years...
_________________

LOL!!! That is so good it bears repeating.

OverwithKON~~ said...

Please Go Away said...
I don't believe it for a second. I predict by spring all 10 will be back filming again, and it will be back to business as usual.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Unfortunatly this is how I feel too. I really want them to go off into the sunset(for the kids), but I dont think that is what will happen. I think they will realise what they gave up($$$$$$) and be back too. Renewing their marriage?!?!?!?! UGH.....Lets all hope I AM WRONG!

tuesday said...

Shoshanna, should I bring my bodyguard along if I plan to bring my whistle?

Miss said...

Looks like Kate is in a rush to go to the spa.

synapses ain't firing said...

Why is she pretending to run from cameras? She invites them into her house.., her childrens bathrooms, and usually is placed front and center mugging for the cameras.

Oh, i forgot, she's an important celebrity that has to run from the p-people, silly me!

How fake! Why doesn't she get how foolish she looks pretending to avoid the phtographers lens' when at every single opportunity she's sitting in front of one spewing her nonsense?

khate--you're an idiot!

isitoveryet? said...

When TLC says "this is the end of Jon and Kate plus 8" what they really mean is "this is the end of JON".
You know darn well, SOMETHING will continue. The "Kate plus 8" or some idiotic show with just Kate.

Jon, if you are reading this, I want you to know that I believe in you. I feel so bad for everything Kate and TLC have done to you in the past and in the present. You have a lot of support out there. Keep your chin up, stay strong, and fight for your children.

Shoshanna said...

tuesday said...tuesday said...

Shoshanna, should I bring my bodyguard along if I plan to bring my whistle?
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Sure, bring your bodyguard if you like, dear.
And don't forget the short black lace nightie.
You can use the whistle if someone accidentally
opens the door...

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"I'm not going to lie... when I hear the sappy music that goes along with the commerical for the finale of this trainwreck, I get sad. Sad that we have in fact watched these kids grow up, watched every monumental moment in their life unfold on national TV, and now it will be gone. I worry for each and every one of these kids that their lives have been so screwed up by their parents that there is irreversible permanent damage. Truth be told, I hope that we hear about the kids every now in then just to see how they are doing and if they have spiralled down."

Ditto. I've watched those kids grow up and I will definitely miss them. I wish them the best life can offer; all eight of them deserve it. I do hope for at least an annual documentary update or magazine article to see what/how they are doing.

I wish Jon the best and am thankful, in spite of his faults/mistakes, that he really loves those children and wants a normal life for them. I only hope he gets them and himself into therapy, if he hasn't already.

Kate, what can I say? Get help and please try to think of your kids as what they are: Kids; not you meal ticket.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Yes, you can bring cupcakes.
But you can't EAT THEM!"

We'll all bring cupcakes. But only us females get to eat them.

Shut Up Kate said...

Sadly, my prediction is that Jon is going to lose all of his lawsuits and go bankrupt. With no foot to stand on financially, he'll cave and allow the kids to be filmed again in return for some sort of financial kickback (or undisclosed terms if the lawsuit is dismissed or resolved.) Kate will win and will get everything she wants. She's cool, calculated and has top-notch attorneys. Jon has become a complete fool and now he's not even fighting for equal custody. So disgusted by all of this across the board. Mark my words--the kids will be back on TV within a year. And Jon will be bankrupt and destitute. He has a fool for an attorney and that only makes him a fool. I used to like Jon a lot in the early years of the show. He has only himself to blame from this point on and he is just making an absolute disaster of everything he's touching. His lawsuits sound completely baseless, TLC has some of the most ruthless lawyers IN THE NATION. They are just going to hand Kate and TLC Jon's head on a plate. And Heller is absolutely worthless and just a loser, like everyone else in Jon's camp. Sigh.

she is ebill said...

This picture is hilarious: a bodyguard-free Kate and her two purses run to her car but all the photographers but one are looking at something else! (Jon?). Granted, there may be more paparazzi mesmerized by Kate not visible in this shot, but Kate's not the Beatles, I think she's probably safe to walk to her car, like a normal non- cloven footed anImal. Golly, she must be really important!

Let's cook Kate's goose said...

Don't forget the white throne, the wooden spoon, the bibs and the highchairs!!!

konhasyoufooled said...

This is the perfect time for a good child advocate lawyer to help Jon out if he is indeed trying to do the right thing and it wasn't all a scam. There are so many people out there that are outraged at what Kate is doing to those kids. This is the time for a good lawyer to make a name for him/herself. Funny he doesn't have one. Alot of that going around in this case right? Somebody holds the key to this entire sideshow and is probably being paid a fortune to keep it under wraps. But....that sort of thing always has a way of surfacing. We have to remember that there are alot of Kate lovers out there and always will be but I am pretty sure it is the Kate haters that is keeping this crap alive. Too many people complain about Kate this and Kate that but turn in every week to dissect her. That in turn gives her more ratings and keeps TLC going forward. Drama sells. I guarantee they go back to just being a family known for having a litter without the drama it will be curtains for them. TLC will keep shoving them into your face until you no longer watch. I for one have not watched since last year nor intend to. I have a pretty good idea of what happens from reading the recaps which provide great humor and in depth coverage I have no desire to add to the ratings. No ratings = no show. That simple. I say let them crash and burn all by themselves. None of you can help those kids sorry to say. Kate only had them to be where she is today. She is never going to be the mother you all want her to be because she doesn't know what mothering is. She knew what she was doing for the get go. When you have children for other purposes than to raise them in a loving environment this is what you get.

Seriously folks the only way to get them off the air is to NOT WATCH. TLC does not care one whit if you hate her, if you are watching for whatever reason they will stay on tv. Bottom line. Nobody out there actually doing something other to help the kids are finding out everybody can be bought. Everybody has their price. Sad to say tho. It even looks like the state isn't doing much either. I guess there are 2 sets of rules to follow and TLC has their own set. If you or I were to take family pics of our own children for our eyes only and went outside to have them developed we could be arrested and have our child/children taken away from us because of it how do TLC get away with it on national tv? That is a double standard in my book hence the *other* set of rules.

I am so very sorry for this long post but I wanted to express my feelings about this whole sordid affair. We who follow the rules often suffer in some way while others do whatever they want to and it is perfectly acceptable. I am doing my part by not watching any program on TLC and most of the shows that have had Kate on it. That is how I am helping.

Village Mom said...

To those concerned that Kate and the children will be back in the spring, I'd like to suggest that six months is a very long time in celebrity/television land.

The children will be six months older, which is six months further away from the cuteness of babyhood.

Hopefully the frenzy will have died down and the fickle viewing public will have moved on and lost interest.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Sadly, my prediction is that Jon is going to lose all of his lawsuits and go bankrupt

I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. The only "witnesses" so far in TLC's lawsuit are Stephanie Santoro, Kate Major and Michael Lohan - the former 2 paid for by TLC. These people are jokes and a competent judge would laugh them out of a courtroom. The rule of law will be followed - not the daily ROL gossip nothings.

Courts generally frown upon any type of contracts that preclude people from earning a living.

Lyn said...

Quite frankly, they were a young couple overwhelmed financially and had no job prospects. I would have jumped at a chance to provide for my children AND stay home with them as well. The Gosselins may have let things go to their heads but I don't think the children paid any really heavy price. They had some wonderful adventures and vacations thanks to their celebrity. They are known and loved and worried about by fans. They were still able to attend school privately and have some semblence of normality. They are going to be paying a MUCH heavier price with the loss of the show. Where are mommy and daddy going to be when they have to actually go to regular jobs?? And who's to say that the marriage would have lasted THIS long without the financial advantages they have had thanks to TLC. I have enjoyed Jon and Kate in the past. I am NOT enjoying the knock offs that are being handed to us from TLC. Jon may be a putz and Kate a control freak but the REAL villians here are the paparazzi....who could not live with the civilized boundaries that protected the family.

Missy said...

Other families will not take this as a warning to avoid a reality show. Rather, other families (just like the Gosselins) will think they can beat the odds and go ahead with it. Greed is a tough thing to stand up against.

Look at Nadya Suleman or the Heenes...the desire for fame and a reality show (along with all the perks) is so strong it is driving them to do outrageous things. Who knows when or where this will end?

MBach said...

I would like to be happy about the show ending, I really would. However, I am afraid that somehow someway Kate/hate and TLC will find a way to get those kids back in a new show.

Kate will win the house in the divorce, and Jon will not be able to stop filming.
Or
Jon will be so broke and abandoned that he will cave.
Or
The re-re-marriage show will happen, and things will just go on until the end of time, or age 18 whichever come first.

The way TLC has kept Kate the poor little sad mother of the year really makes me doubt they don't have another ace to play.

I don't hear a fat lady singing yet. I'm listening, but nope, nothing yet.

Ill get you my pretty said...

I don't think the fact that Jon is not fighting Kate's primary custody is a bad thing. Perhaps he realizes that the constant changing is bad for the kids. I have read that 50/50 custody can be exhausting on the kids. He will have anything up to 50% of the time with them. Plus, that's just physicas custody. Legal custody is different. He needs to get joint legal custody so that his approval is required for medical/legal decisions, such as allowing them to film. Hopefully that is why he looked relaxed after the arbitration and she looked p&ss#d.

On The Job Training? said...

The final (I'll believe it when I see it) episode shows the kids MILKING COWS?

Must be more of that SYMBOLISM Kate claims she's so into with the milking exercise - these kids have had 5 SEASONS of On The Job Training for milking, since their parents chose to milk 8 childhoods of every possible drop of cash.

Reminiscent of the 'Crooked Houses' that seemed a metaphor for the whole crooked 'happy family together' that was the core lie of this series.

Odd that KatieDoo isn't as dressed in her finery for a court date as we have seen her to go to Fed Ex and StarBucks.

TLC seems to be out to increase the current 50% divorce rate, one marriage at a time. Perhaps they are merely sowing the seeds for their next channel reinvention and genre, TDC, The Divorce Channel.

If the divorce stats are correct, certainly Ms. O'Neill sees a viable audience of people touched by divorce. Ah yes ,the 'relatability' factor and the "You can't walk away from those numbers".....

Easy to see why Kate has reinvented herself to look like a dimestore hooker - she's now a proud, card-carrying member of TLC, The Whore of the Industry, where the motto seems to be "Anything for The Money".

Disgusting.

Lucy said...

Lyn said: the REAL villians here are the paparazzi....who could not live with the civilized boundaries that protected the family.

The paparazzi were only doing their JOBS, which, as we all remember from Princess Diana's life, can be obtrusive and harmful to those they "stalk" for pictures. I understand the Gosselin's being tempted by big money dangled by TLC. I don't understand how parents can "intelligently" make the decision to allow the paparrazzi environment into their lives, to make private moments of childhood so very public, to denegrate one another through the filming and divorce, to show extremely poor parenting skills without getting counselling help, ... oh the list goes on and on! I do believe TLC is the real villain in all of this. TLC and its greed. Why any of us, including myself, watched and permitted TLC to grow into a huge money machine by our support and through its advertiser dollars. TLC has become a corporate monster interfering in the Gosselin divorce, and generally filming extremely private moments for revenue. Would the big networks ever be supported if they dealt with the same type of programming TLC airs or ever permitted Khate to continually bash Jon? I think not.

XYZed said...

Kate's been milking her situation for years. How fitting that she takes the kids to a dairy farm in the 'final' episode.

Pilgrim Soul said...

No sure what the recent confidentiality agreement dictates, but hope Jon didn't sign away is rights to pen a tell-all book. It's his only hope to keep the cash flowing in the short term - while, hopefully, he gets a legit career off the ground and rebuilds his life.

As for Kate - no doubt she will crash and burn. Give iher six months to a year at TLC before she is booted to the curb as well.

Wouldn't Surprise Me said...

Please Go Away said...

I don't believe it for a second. I predict by spring all 10 will be back filming again, and it will be back to business as usual.
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I agree. The whole cancellation of the show has been far too easy. I'm sure Kate and TLC had enough old footage to carry on for quite some time, even if it was to look back while they buy, I mean fight, Jon for the ability to pick up filming again.

Honestly, I never thought I'd say this before but I'm beginning to think this whole divorce thing is one big sham for attention. I don't think it started out that way. Back then, I really do think they were sick of each other.

However, as time goes on, I think in reality (pun intended), these two know to keep the gravy train going, they need each other and the kids. From what I heard Paula Deen say in an interview a while back, the pilot for the show with Kate hasn't been picked up yet. I know Kate is going to be doing another show sans Jon and eight, but honestly she's been so boring in these last few episodes that it only proves she cannot carry any show on her own.

Then we have Jon. The man who himself admits he has no ambition. The same guy who can't seem to put 2 words together in a sentence for interviews. And I'm sure I don't have to mention what running around with college age girls has done to his reputation. I don't see him doing much in the spotlight on his own. He couldn't even keep a regular 9 to 5 job when he was a regular guy. I wouldn't hold my breath on him either.

Look at what's gone on in the past year. They have been in the tabloids every week. The main media has picked up on both of them. There is no way either of them could get this kind of attention on their own. Then there is the divorce that seems to be dragging along for a while. Not to mention we are dealing with 2 people who months ago acted like they couldn't stand each other. Now Kate has spoken of trying to forgive him, and he's broken up with his college age girlfriend and has tried to stall the divorce.

It would not surprise me a bit if these two are not somehow plotting a reunion right before the divorce for TLC to be able to air the family once again to show how they are trying to patch things up. For the sake of the kids, I hope this isn't true, but it wouldn't surprise me if they are plotting something along these lines.

Guilty as Charged said...

Lyn said, "... Where are mommy and daddy going to be when they have to actually go to regular jobs?? And who's to say that the marriage would have lasted THIS long without the financial advantages they have had thanks to TLC... The REAL villians here are the paparazzi....who could not live with the civilized boundaries that protected the family."

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All due respect intended:

J&K's post show position will finally be on the SAME level as the rest of us in this 10% unemployment rate reality. Finally they will actually BE 'relatable'.

Further, even dolts like J&K had to have known or at least know by now that the whole fame and fortune thing brings along with it some downsides, including life in the spotlight and photographers. Therefore, since they willingly CHOOSE to continue doing things to keep their fame and fortune, it is THEY who are responsible for this mess, not the photogs.

Finally, to your point about the marriage possibly lasting longer because of the show, the flip side to that question is, of course, and who is to say the marriage might have survived afterall without all the distraction and conflicting priorities that are inherent in fame/fortun?

It seems these conflicting priorities and distractions surrounded the marriage like an attack force and effectively split a marriage into very different, distinct and conflicting personal priorities of the husband and wife.

Ultimately Jon and Kate have only themselves to blame for choosing to remain in such a toxic media world. Surely there were red flags that the show was taking over their family life and goals, yet they both choose to continue seeking the fame and fortune.

The burden of guilt lies solely on the two of them.

Rose said...

Please Go Away said...
I don't believe it for a second. I predict by spring all 10 will be back filming again, and it will be back to business as usual.


I personally don't think this show will be back. However, I am confident that TLC will reward Kate's horrible behavior with a show just for her, and she'll find that she likes that much better, because she'll no longer have to share the spotlight with her cute kids. The camera will be on her face all the time, and she'll love it.

Jane in California said...

I know Kate hasn't given up the fight yet to remain in the spotlight. If she could do so on her own, I'm sure she'd jump at that chance. But we all know she cannot carry a show on her own, even with her currently devoted crop of faithfuls. I may be wrong, but I think your typical "sheeple" will eventually lose interest in Katie Irene and move on to whomever is the latest to strike their interest. Kate's "story" has pretty much reached its peak and is on the down side.

"Happily" married mom with two sets of multiples, bickering yet loving marriage (yeah right), hectic life raising said kids, caterpillar to butterfly, little means to McMansion and bodyguard, and now the breakdown of her marriage with pending divorce.

As to returning to their prior filming schedule -- that just isn't likely. The children are all in school. That means the filming times are severely limited. Further, as the children get older (and more vocal), they aren't going to just meekly go along with the whole thing -- they'll continue to act out, throw tantrums, and anything else they can think of to disrupt filming.

Nope -- Kate and TLC milked as much as they could by starting filming when the tups were infants. They ought to just be grateful that they were able to steal the first five years of the tups life for their profit and leave it at that.

ImFrancie said...

Yup, my first thought upon reading the episode description was, "Would that be a cash cow the kids were milking?".

I truly believe that in six months, no one will care about these fools. It. Is. Over. Thank God!

It doesn't add up said...

TLC is suing Jon + Jon is suing TLC = a sit down interview for the final episode?!

Only in Gosselinworld does this make sense.

groovymom00 said...

Hey come on now, what is a party without steamed broccoli? Who is bringing that?
Hey, I'll even bring some gum, too!

huskerhokiema said...

I think the "end" of the show is misleading. TLC is probably saying the show is coming to an end so they can sever their connection with Jon. However, when the divorce is final, they will start up their new "Kate" show including the kids, and Jon will be on the outside looking in, with no financial compensation and no contract.

can't stand her said...

Lyn, I understand your sentiment and yes, in a perfect world a loving mom and dad would be home with the kids. But how many families do you know have this luxury? And being a stay at home parent is not for everyone; it's a lot of work, not compensated as it should be and would be torture for parent and kids alike if the it's not the parent's first choice. I think the Gosselin kids need the positive role model a hard working parent provides. And now is not the time for Jon and Kate to try to break into show business; that's something for a talented person without eight children to pursue. They were lucky to get that show in the first place; why they/the public thinks they deserved it and were right to rely on it for their livelihood is confusing to me. I think if they had kept their 9-5 jobs, they would have remained more interesting, less desperate people. I have a feeling they devoted everything to the show to try to make as much money as possible. Realize this: the show only started in 2007! They have squeezed 5 seasons and over 100 episodes in since then. Talk about overworking the kids. Kate's greed/ambition no doubt fueled that grueling schedule to the kids' detriment. Now it's time for mom and dad to go back to work, just like everyone else.

goawayfools said...

Lyn, I think those kids have paid a price for being on that show. Granted, they were cursed with an awful, mean as a snake mother and weak father, but the show allowed the very worst in their parents to fluorish. Kate's greed and ambition led to the show to be filmed several days a week, year round. Her behavior became crueler, meaner, more sinister as her ego was fed by the praise she amazingly received for being a hands on mom. Jon's lack of ambition and passivity led him to suddenly be strapped with more kids than he could support and to be abused/overworked by his abusive, ungrateful wife. This led to his profound unhappiness (understandable) and subsequent acting out. And you mentioned that the kids are loved (and pitied) by fans, which is true, but I'm sure they'd much prefer true concern from their own parents. A few vacations with cameras in your face the whole time and a large house devoid of love are not enough of a consolation prize.

Shut up Kate said...

Dunwoody Mom wrote: I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. The only "witnesses" so far in TLC's lawsuit are Stephanie Santoro, Kate Major and Michael Lohan - the former 2 paid for by TLC.

The much larger problem for Jon is that courts take signatures on a contract very, very, very seriously. And "I didn't have a lawyer at the time" doesn't hold much water in a court of law. He wouldn't even win on "People's Court" with that excuse.

I have no doubt that Kate approved all of her speaking engagements, appearances, etc with TLC. She's not stupid (well, relatively speaking.) She's a master manipulator. Believe me, I am NO FAN of Kate whatsoever, but she understands how to play the game. Jon doesn't have a clue.

Good said...

So KHate has the primary custody time? Well--good. WHat is the saying..."Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it."
?
Without nannies (and I think she'll STILL have at least one), KHate would be MISERABLE as a full-time mom.
] JMO of course.

Buh-BYE said...

I find observing my 7 yr.old daughter's beginning Jazz class to be more inspiring and entertaining than were I to ever watch the G.Kids again (I quit watching entirely, some time ago). Frankly, the G. kids are not that cute, and many times the glowering facial expressions the girls wear are off-putting. If I want to see average-looking people glower, I can go to WalMart and stand in line for awhile.
At least watching my little gal's dance class, I see A) MY OWN daughter not someone else's kids exculsively, and B) some kids WANTING to be there,; WANTING to do what they are doing. And exhibiting some modicum of talent, albeit in its early stages. The G. kids just fight and scream and hit.
Yawn

Minka's tail said...

Lyn--I know some of the other people here are going react very strongly to your very optimistic thread. I hope you are right that the kids have a normal, happy life after this. They are great kids and they deserve it.

Other things you state I disagree with.

Where are Mommy and Daddy going to be when they have jobs? They will be at work. Kate WAS NOT at home with the kids very much. She was traveling and coming home for short periods of time. What is worse for a mother of young children to do--work a nursing shift and see them only part of the day--or to travel and not see them for days on end?

As for the Gosselin's marriage--yeah, maybe it would have failed. But the fame took away their best incentive to stay together. They didn't need each other any more. They didn't need to work as a team to get the kids taken care of and the house cleaned. TLC would provide all the servants they would need. Also, TLC's apparent backing of one of the pair as a potential celebrity and not the other didn't help much, either.

As for the paparazzi? Please, I am sick of hearing about them. Yeah, I know they're not following the Roloffs and the Little Couple, so the Gosselins did get more than they signed up for, perhaps. But those reality couples weren't on the covers of women's magazines or People, either. Kate might not like the cameras following her, but she loves being on the covers of magazines on her own terms. You can't have it both ways. Fame is a double-edged sword.

I will miss the show, too. But if the kids don't get off the air soon, they will fall victim to child star syndromes. There is still a chance for them now.

why Kate? said...

What is the deal with the paparazzi and these idiots? Why the daily pictures of the family doing mundane things like going to get coffee? I understand that the paparazzi want to make a living but who do they sell these pictures to besides sosugary? You rarely see new pictures in the major tabloids anymore, usually the same stock photos or old paparazzi pics. So where's the financial imcentive for the photographers? Why follow this average looking family doing average things with their overdressed buffoon of a mom? If they can even manage to sell a picture of say, the Dunkin Donuts excursion, how much could it possibly fetch? From a money making standpoint, I could see why the paps would show up for a court date, the twins bday, etc. But why follow Kate and company to Target or Kinkos or the park? They may get a money shot (Kate's boobs falling out or giant thonged ass), but those don't tend to sell. You have to look hard to find them in general. Kate may lose it and spank a kid in public again, but that's less likely after the flak she took for hitting Leah. So that brings me back to WHY? As a pap, why follow the gosselins around for their everyday activities if there is no market for these photos? Yes, we check them out on sosugary (often to laugh at Kate's outfits) but don't paps take pictures to make money? Does sosugary even pay for those pics? And if so, how do they make money from them? ROL does appear to pay for some pics, but do you think they pay enough to make it financially worthwhile for a pap? They're kind of a low rent site with limited, if any, ads, and no magazine or tv show to promote. If TLC is paying the paps, why do they continue to do so if the pics don't make it into the mainstream media anymore? Even Brangelina and the Cruises don't get this much daily intrusion, and they're glamorous and talented. Why so much attention to jowly, large assed Kate? Is being hateable enough of a reason to warrant all that attention? Any thoughts?

TheLastEpisodeSureRightYeah said...

I wish they would just talk about the kids and leave themselves out of it. The last episode should be a reflection on the kids, not about the terrible relationship about the the parents. Hey tlc, remember the + 8 ????!!!!

ErinKate said...

In 6 months the kids will be home for summer vacation so they will resume filming.

I predict these lawsuits will continue right up to the last day of school.

The Fat Lady (prefer Curvy) said...

(SINGING!!!) It's Oooovverrrr!

fidosmommy said...

Lyn, I'm not sure where to start...
This is going to be long, so be ready for it.

PART 1 OF 2

My first thought is that the Gosselins knew their financial condition before they decided to have "just one more". Going the fertility route almost was a written guarantee of at least two more, very possibly more. They knew, going in, that finances would not stretch to meet the needs of even two more. Still, they made plans with the specialist.

Then they "had six more", and they
were overwhelmed. So, their church stepped in to help. The help was unacceptable, and the items donated for this "struggling family" were refused or given away to someone else. This does not take on the look of a family in "need", but a family in "want". They were special and would accept nothing that was not special.

The sense of entitlement that came with having 6 grew. They felt they were owed assistance past the time that assistance was provided by the state. Why? The public reason was because Kate could not
handle six children without a nurse on duty. But remember, these were children she actively sought to carry in her womb and had
plenty of volunteer help offered to help with - if only she had not
let them slip through her fingers
because "they don't know how to help us". Grandparents, aunts and uncles, church members, volunteers from the community were all willing to pitch in on a pretty regular basis, and for free. That should have been music to the ears of a financially struggling family. But it wasn't enough, apparently. Kate felt she was entitled to more, and on somebody else's dime. Kate felt the urge to give birth to more children, however many God gave her, but she began to show signs that she did not want to raise them. See, that's the bugaboo with deciding to have even "just one more". When the child arrives, the hard work begins. When you're playing the fertility game, and you get a winner with 6, the work is even harder. But the time to realize that is before you go in for fertility treatments, not after.
Being "overwhelmed" by 6 simply tells me Kate was not emotionally, mentally or financially - not to mention physically - able to handle the result of those treatments. It was an immature and selfish thing to do until she got herself in order and ready to get what fertility treatments so often produce.

fidosmommy said...

PART 2 of 2

You say that you don't believe the children have paid a heavy price.
I beg to differ. They have already been made fodder for bad jokes, the subject of embarrassing
moments that have flashed across America's TV screens, and they have watched their parents' marriage fall apart in the national
spotlight. They can't go anywhere
without being "the Gosselins". Their childhood is nowhere near what it would have been if the TV
cameras had never made their lives into a series. We should only have
faint recollections of a couple in central PA who had twins and then sextuplets. We should not all know
which one wears glasses, which one
likes alligators and which one cries a lot. That information should be reserved for the people who actually know them personally.

The parents have taken the lives of 8 children and used them for financial security. I find that
reprehensible. It is not the job of the child to support the family.
Yes, they took trips, but will the younger ones be able to remember their trip to Wyoming or Hawaii or
North Carolina - or will they all run in together, remembering only
smatterings of events, such as making cookies (somewhere), doing pudding body painting (somewhere) -all things they could have done in the privacy of their own back yard
or home. My bet is they remember trips to Aunt Jodi's house more than they will ever remember going to amusement parks TLC paid for.
They will remember riding their bikes on the driveway more than they will remember hula dancing in Hawaii. Their lives would not have been less healthy or satisfying if they had never gone skiing in Utah at the age of 3 or
in a hot air balloon too tall for them to see the view at the age of 5. Their lives, however, would have been more satisfying if they had been able to do what other children in their neighborhoods do, whether it's Scouting, art classes, dance class, library visits, and playing with their dogs
in their own back yard. Children just want to fit in and be like the other kids they know and like.
Having a TV show makes them different, and that is always quite uncomfortable for a child.
It has much potential to create in these children that same sense of entitlement that has plagued their mother for the past 5 years.

I could go on, but my fingers are getting tired. My apologies to all for such a long and dreary post.

Lynn W. said...

Amen, Fidosmommy, Amen. Very well put.

Jane in California said...

Hi Lyn,

Some have already responded to your post and said it quite well.

In the real world, where it costs money to live and to raise a family, at least one parent works full time outside the home. In many many cases, both parents have jobs outside the home. I have a neighbor who is a single mom to two young girls, and she gets up at 3:00 a.m., drops them off at a friend's house, and goes to work full time at a grocery store. She's home by 2:00, and then does it all again the next day. It's called providing for your family.

My neighbor doesn't want a hand out, nor does she want to make her children start working in their childhood so that she can "stay home," go on expensive trips, get a boob job, a tummy tuck, her teeth whitened, buy expensive designer clothes and shoes, and have her own personal body guard.

I find it bothersome that people think many of us would make the same poor decisions as Jon & Kate, given the opportunity. If there is a silver lining to this whole mess, it is the warning they provide to parents everywhere -- DON'T DO THIS!

Don't have more children than you can already afford; don't treat your spouse like dirt; don't think you are a celebrity when all you are known for is taking fertility drugs and having 8 kids.

Most important of all -- do not make your children work to support you in the lifestyle you have always dreamed of. Let them have their precious childhood, safe from prying eyes and hot bright lights, intrusive cameras and inappropriate moments, safe from visions of mommy hitting daddy, telling you "don't listen to daddy, daddy is mean." Don't turn one of your oldest children into the protector for her younger siblings in the face of your crazy outbursts over stupid things that don't matter a whit.

They are a life lesson in what not to do as a parent, as a spouse, as a child, as a human being.

So DONE with the KON! said...

Look, this show has been on its last legs for a while now. The only reason that anybody watched this season (sorry, couldn't do it!) was for the spectacle that has become J&K. The kids have grown and the family's circumstances have changed dramatically; they are no longer the struggling family that they were portrayed to be at the beginning of the series. And with the economy tanking and the jobless rate climbing almost daily, it was hard to see what was interesting about watching the G's being indulged so extravagantly - it just wasn't must-see TV, at least for me.

I think that even if TLC brings the show back, in whatever form, it will never enjoy the success that it has enjoyed in the past as the reasons that we tuned in in the first place are no longer relevant. J&K get 'real' jobs, let your kids enjoy their lives and please, please, please stay off my TV and my computer screen. I don't wish you any ill will, I'm just sick to death of seeing and hearing about you.

anotherthing... said...

Fidosmommy....

*claps*


Brilliantly stated.

Id add in, too, a piece about how horribly embarassing some of the moments are for those children that have been broadcast across the nation and captured forever in boxed sets. Horrible and private moments that are personal and not for millions of viewers. Thats beyond 'a little embarassing' its DAMAGING.

hippie chick said...

By the time Kate's show starts in the spring, no one will have remembered her. She is not a superstar. She will fail...

Babsie said...

Annie Says...

I would like to add there is a big difference between going on vacation and shooting on location. Vacations are something you do to get away from work not bring it along with you.

The Gosselin children will live in a world where total strangers know too many intimate details about there lives while they will know only what that stranger choses to tell them.
They have already experienced so many losses and changes in their young lives. How can they learn to trust and feel secure when their lives for the past year or more have been in constant upheaval. They had to shoulder most of the responsibility for their families income. Children need to know that mommy and daddy will take care of them no matter what, not the other way around. I remember one episode where I think Kate asked Joel if he will take care of her when she is old. Too bad the kid didn't say "but mommy I already do!" They live in a very hostile environment. The children will have to find a way to separate the true reality of their lives from the reality show on the videos (minus the truth that lies on the editing room floor) They have one over controlling parent and one out of control parent. Sadly I fear universities will be using the Gosselin children Videos as textbooks as an example of what happens to children who live in a goldfish bowl. I truly pray that each one of these children will find in their lives an aunt, uncle, neighbor, teacher,family friend, some one willing to talk to them. willing to protect their feelings and thoughts without ending up as commentary on Entertainment Tonight or radaronline. I hope they will not judge the world based on the the sheeple who expect their private lives to be a source of entertainment, or critize anyone of there brothers or sisters without out understanding what it is truly like to be one of the Gosselin 8. I pray they will be surrounded by people who will love them all for who they are and not by how much money can be made off of them.

Dunwoody Mom said...

The much larger problem for Jon is that courts take signatures on a contract very, very, very seriously

Which contracts are you speaking of? As many have stated before courts take a very dim view of contracts that preclude individuals from making a living.

JJL said...

It's over for them. No one wants to watch Kate alone. She's boring. Without Jon and the kids she's just some lady who has no one to yell at.

Good luck to the children. I fear they will need therapy (especially the older ones) from all of this garbage from their parents. Bless those kids they need it.

PA Midstate Mommy said...

This is a really good article from Comcast that discusses the demise of this family thanks to the cameras and J&K's narcissistic desire for fame at the expense of their marriage and the well being of their children.

http://www.fancast.com/blogs/jon-kate-plus-8/jon-kate-finale-a-look-back-at-lessons-learned//?cmpid=FCST_tvnews

She's come undone said...

Lyn, if you don't believe the children have paid a high price just google Mady Gosselin. Be prepared though because there are over 900,000 results and many of them are very ugly. Ugly discussions about a child. Her parents did this to her. The people who are suppose to protect her and keep her safe. The people who are suppose to guard her private moments as well as her childhood.

BTW. Where did you get the idea that Kate was able to stay home with her children? Once she hit the road she was gone and still is. She has not been a SAHM in a long time. Last spring she was averaging little more than 3 days a month at home.

So you keep believing that watching these children use the bathroom, take baths, vomit, melt down, have an impacted bowel, scream and hit each other as well as their sweeter moments hasn't caused them any harm. I just don't feel that way and am ashamed that I ever watched this show.

PutASockInIt said...

Minka's tail & fidosmommy,

Well said, both of you. Bravo. Both the voices of the 'realest' reality of this pitiful, sad, saga.

Laurie said...

why Kate? said...
What is the deal with the paparazzi and these idiots? Why the daily pictures of the family doing mundane things like going to get coffee?
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The reason that kate is photographed doing all these things is because her PR people (or even kate herself) call and tip off the paparazzi. You'll note that the paps rarely catch kate when she isn't dressed to the 9's.

A old saying in showbiz is "the only thing worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about". Kate's got to keep herself out there - out of sight, out of mind.

Indiana Girl said...

I am ready for this episode. My hope it is that it focuses on the kids,-but I am sure it will not.
Let's just hope if Christmas brings them back together that they decide to keep it off the air. Any thoughts on what TLC is making for Kate now. What can she do?
Kate Kate go away and never come back to play!!
Jon-learn who you are and be there for your kids.

Kids I hope you have a safe, healthy, loving life and that this show and the way your parents decided to play your life and their life and nasty divorce in the public eye never cause your permanent harm.

Rose said...

Jane said...

"Most important of all -- do not make your children work to support you in the lifestyle you have always dreamed of."


This is so true. Kate can jabber on all she wants on how the kids are just leading their regular lives while the camera films them, but the bottom line is that those eight children have allowed Kate to lead a more lucrative lifestyle.

Actress Jennifer Garner has two young daughters under the age of 3 right now. When asked if her oldest daughter would be in the business someday, Jennifer was not too thrilled with the idea: I liked what she said, though: "If my daughter wants to do theater someday, okay, but as far as doing it for a living, that's not a kid's job."

There are a few very smart actors/parents out there, like Jennifer Garner, Faith Hill, Kate Winslet and Reese Witherspoon, who generally keep their children out of the press for a very specific reason. It doesn't take a genius to realize why the rich and famous should take careful measures to not drag their little ones into the limelight. You only get one childhood, and you don't want a bunch of creeps with cameras to come in and destroy that for your kids. Yeah, the paparazzi can be brutal, but the intelligent actors find a way to control it as much as possible. The intelligent ones understand that they are not helpless to stop it, and that there is plenty they can do to keep their children safe if they put the effort in. So Kate can just stop bellyaching about how she didn't sign up for the scrutiny, and how she is powerless to change it. We're not buying that.

It's too bad Kate doesn't seem to understand that it is not her kids' jobs to be on a reality series and be the cash cows for their family. And unless Kate can truly look us in the eye and say that she alone is the reason that the money and the ratings came in for this show, then the bottom line is that the KIDS were pulling the ship - not her. That is NOT their responsibility, and Kate is NOT entitled to have a superstar lifestyle because of them. Like someone else said on this forum, she needs to quit acting like a star when all she did was take fertility drugs and get herself pregnant with sextuplets.

goawayfools said...

Laurie, I agree that Kate and her PR team probably do call the paps to tip them off. But what I really wonder is what's in it for the paparazzi? Those pictures at Dunkin Donuts aren't very marketable to sell to say, People magazine. They may sell an occasional photo, but why would a paparazzo hang out in Wernersville to take pictures of this oversized family that probably won't fetch much money? Why not stake out in NY or LA where lots of celebs are or wherever the latest hot story is? With interest in the Gosselins waning, why do they still get photographed daily? Not that the pictures wind up anywhere substancial (sosugary). What's in it for the PHOTOGRAPHER? I doubt it's a big paycheck. Just wondering.

Midnight Serenade said...

"So you keep believing that watching these children use the bathroom, take baths, vomit, melt down, have an impacted bowel, scream and hit each other as well as their sweeter moments hasn't caused them any harm. I just don't feel that way and am ashamed that I ever watched this show."
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Here's what is frightening. There are people, who happen to be parents, who believe all of this is perfectly acceptable and isn't impacting the children in any way. Given the opportunity, they would set their own children up for years of therapy. What's wrong in our society that they would allow greed to take over to the point that the emotional security of our children is threatened?

Two clueless idiots said...

As for the paparazzi? Please, I am sick of hearing about them. Yeah, I know they're not following the Roloffs and the Little Couple, so the Gosselins did get more than they signed up for, perhaps. But those reality couples weren't on the covers of women's magazines or People, either. Kate might not like the cameras following her, but she loves being on the covers of magazines on her own terms. You can't have it both ways. Fame is a double-edged sword.

*****

I have to say that I honestly believe Kate, and probably Jon, are both paparazzi whores...they covet and court the attention. In my town, I regularly see some VERY, VERY famous (as in, really famous!) people who go about their normal days without bodyguards, without paparazzi snapping pictures, without an entourage, etc. These are just "normal" people who happen to be talented and famous who are going about their days...taking their kids to school, going to Target, eating lunch out with friends, going to the mall, etc. When they're out doing "normal" things they are almost always in comfy, casual clothes like yoga pants or jeans and often without makeup, hair in a headband or under a baseball cap, etc. They're not dressed to call attention to themselves, they're not surrounded by people to make themselves appear "important", etc. Sure, they get their pictures snapped from time to time, but because they are low-key, casual and calm, it's no big deal and an exception rather than the norm. It's a marked contrast to the J&K attention-seeking fiasco! My daughter went to day camp last summer with the daughter of a very famous actress, and I didn't even know until the last day of camp who her parents were because I had never seen the mom in makeup and with her hair fixed until the closing camp performance! What a difference between this elegant woman, who is far more talented and famous than Kate Gosselin will ever be, and the needy, immature, self-important, insecure antics of a narcissistic and ignorant behavior of Kate.

Rebecca F. said...

It is funny about the "cautionary tale" because I saw a commercial today about a new "little couple" Craig and Becky (I think?). They were doing a couch interview and the husband says to his wife at the end "Let's hold hands!" and she snarkily and rudely says "Let's not."

Honestly, it was Kate all over again.....

Im_in_PR said...

They may sell an occasional photo, but why would a paparazzo hang out in Wernersville to take pictures of this oversized family that probably won't fetch much money? Why not stake out in NY or LA where lots of celebs are or wherever the latest hot story is?

Unless Brad and Angie divorce, there isn't a comparable hot story out there right now.

Things are dying down from the heat of the past few months, but for whatever reasons, the Gosselins sell and move tabloid magazines like hot cakes.

When even the venerable NYT and Vanity Fair are addressing Gosselin issues, they have gone in to a rarefied PR world.

They were "every couple" and they seemingly had it all, and got it all without a shred of talent. Fly over county folks either loved or hated the pair of them and Jon & Kate were more than willing to sell their experience and expose their children.

Sick, I know. But it created a perfect storm for publicity.

Celebrities only wish they could have as many column inches as Jon & Kate generated in the past 8 months.

I just finished a PR campaign for a nameless client. (Company, not individual.) Generated over $2 million in publicity value. I think I placed about 324 articles, nationwide. (Print, online and TV included.)

So imagine how many articles have been printed about Jon & Kate in the past 8 months. The publicity value to TLC of those two and their dysfunctional lives is astronomical.

Yolanda said...

I don't think Kate's situation can be compared to Jennifer Garner, Faith Hill, etc. Those people are famous for reasons other than their kids. Kate's problem is that she's famous (or infamous) because of her kids. There is nothing else for her to fall back on. Much as she doesn't like it, she has to keep them in the limelight to further her own career.

That's why I don't think we'll ever see her succeed without the kids. As has been pointed out many times here, Kate has no talent. And at the end of the day that (and that alone) will be her undoing.

The only thing Kate has going for her are the sheeples. There will always be a core group of people who will support any of her endeavors. So she'll always be able to make money that way. Heck all she has to do is ask her "fans" to send her a dollar, and she'll be about a million dollars richer. I think that is about the number of hard-core fans she has. But once she's out of the limelight, that number will slowly dwindle.

TLC knows they need to keep Kate front and center - I think that's why there is a constant barrage of photos of Kate. Photographers make money by selling their pictures. It's possible, they are even selling them back to TLC.

Lucy said...

goawayfools said: What's in it for the PHOTOGRAPHER? I doubt it's a big paycheck. Just wondering.

Hmmm....perhaps they are paid by TLC to sustain the Khate and 8 "fame"?

KyPastor said...

My father used to tell us never
depend on overtime pay to meet our financial obligations. What he meant was you are never guaranteed overtime hours, and if you get used to that extra cash in your pay packet, you can run into trouble when it's not there. He wanted us to treat it like automatic savings funds, not spending money.

(In today's economy, things are really tight and overtime pay is a necessity for many families, so please take no offense if your family relies on your overtime paycheck. Dad's advice comes from the 1960s.)

Still it applies here. Jon and Kate thought the paychecks they got in their real world jobs were insufficient and came to rely on the extra income from the show as their main living fund. It was never guaranteed to last, but they had started depending on it to get by. It's really a travesty of
poor planning and poor execution of a reasonable budget. If Kate was the financial wizard of the family, then she has perhaps done some damage and set expectations higher than reasonable.

Canadian Mom said...

Remember Gloria Alred (on the Today Show with Kevin & Jodi) *teased* us with "making an announcement soon..."...

*fingers crossed*

what an idiot said...

Is Kate running in this picture to get the photographers to actually pay attention to her?

Chris said...

In my fondest dreams the regular filming of the kids is done. I can accept an annual update of what's going on in their lives...ala Dilley. Unfortuately, I see K8 trying to have Jon lose all parental rights and regular filming resuming. K8 is a greedy *itch.

MickeyMcKean said...

I just saw the promo for the finale -- please correct me if I am wrong -- other than in the first shot where you see the back of either Mady or Cara's head, the rest of the photos promoting the finale is of the tups only.

Tups on the swings, tup carrying [calf] baby bottle, tup's 5th birthday, tups at the firestation, and just the tups waving goodbye.

I hope that TLC's editors remembered to include the twins in the final episode because Mady and Cara are in fact part of the 8!!

JFaye said...

Jon has agreed to Kate having primary custody. Even though I usually believe that prolonged custody battles harm the kids, in this kiss I think it would have been best for them in the long run for Jon to have fought her for this. Hopefully, even though she has 'primary custody', he will have liberal 'visitation' (I hate those terms but those are the court's) with them and can be there a lot since she will be busy with her new show along with all her other projects.

Studies show that children with parents who fight all the time, whether they divorce or stay married, have trouble later in life. These children have that, plus the stigma of this show to overcome. I hope at least one of their parents puts their needs first and I'm not holding my breath for it to be Kate.

kidsfirst! said...

"(minus the truth that lies on the editing room floor)"
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well said. God bless the Gosselin children.

laura linger said...

God bless the Gosselin 8.

turtlegirl said...

Finally...it's over. ( :

Jenny said...

If all of us out here can see and are affected by the way Kate treats her children (and everyone else in her path who do not directly contribute to her wealth), I can't even imagine what it would be like to actually live in her house, be in her presence and under her authority & control like the kids have to be. It's no wonder they look so much more relaxed when in Jon's presence. The name of the game in that household seems to be "don't question anything, don't even think about engaging in a conversation with me about it, just do it mindlessly just because I said so." Does she not realize what she's setting her kids up for later on in life!

I think there's a lot to be said for being organized and having boundaries but there are more effective ways to obtain order besides barking out instructions in machine-gun like fashion...that's how they do it in the military when it's a matter of life & death and they have entire platoons to keep in order, not just 8 children who you're trying to raise lovingly and teach life lessons to. Also, we all have seen how Kate treats others like they're something on the bottom of her shoe...and if we see it clearly, so do her kids. You're so right in saying they really are in danger of growing up with an entitlement mentality.

One quick question. If it's really true that Kate is going to be the one living at the house full time with Jon only getting visitation, couldn't Jon insist on selling the house (since it's in both their names) with both of them getting the proceeds and then K and the kids moving to a slightly smaller place? I know they both call the house "the kids' house" but if Kate ends up being the one who actually gets to live there full time with the kids, she gets the benefits of that home and Jon gets no benefit... well, other than the pleasure of knowing his kids have a beautiful home...and from what we all know about his love for his children, maybe that's good enough for him.

The only reason I even bring it up is that it reflects my own thought that they could each get the mega proceeds from the McMansion and each buy/build their own, still really nice but slightly smaller house in PA. I was just thinking that eliminating joint ownership in ANYTHING could cut down on any future legal battles between J&K. If Jon really does get down & out and can't even afford the $5000 a mth apt in NY, my guess is that it could possibly become an issue at that time. In that event, I'd feel better knowing the man actually owns a home to go to. Also, I wondered if Kate would get any preference in legal standing as the "rightful owner" of that house a few years from now if she establishes she has been the one who has actually lived in it x number of years?

Anyway, you've all expressed the situation much better than I ever could. It's amazing to me that we can see the situation so clearly and yet there are so many who still just don't get it. I honestly don't care much what J or K do in future projects, AS LONG AS the kids aren't filmed!

Button Button said...

None of us can predict what will happen tomorrow with absolute certainty. Life rolls on and we stay on or get off, but little of it is in our true control. We cannot possibly know where any of the Gosselins will be tomorrow or six months from tomorrow.

I will miss seeing the kids.

Merrilee said...

Why Kate Said...Even Brangelina and the Cruises don't get this much daily intrusion, and they're glamorous and talented. Why so much attention to jowly, large assed Kate? Is being hateable enough of a reason to warrant all that attention? Any thoughts?

11/22/2009 12:28 PM
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Apparently so!

Jenny said...

Btw, I'm THRILLED this trainwreck of a show is ending, but I'm personally going to need a support group as I deal with withdrawal symptoms from months of venting my angst about this woman and her mean, control freak ways!

God's blessings on the precious Gosselin children and their parents.

Aunty Anne said...

Jane In California Said...(snip)

...Don't have more children than you can already afford; don't treat your spouse like dirt; don't think you are a celebrity when all you are known for is taking fertility drugs and having 8 kids.
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And for being the so terribly in love with yourself!

Nancy said...

I certainly believe that THIS BLOG had an ENORMOUS effect in educating the masses on the REAL back story and the damage continually being inflicted on the 8 innocents. I am VERY proud of the blog moderators and all the participants! I am eternally grateful for all of your foresight, insights, great humor and perseverance in bringing the truth foreward. It is a great accomplishment that at least the children, for now anyway, are off TV!
Love you all for being there for throughout this long ordeal.

Worth Their Weight ... said...

goawayfools said...
Laurie, I agree that Kate and her PR team probably do call the paps to tip them off. But what I really wonder is what's in it for the paparazzi? Those pictures at Dunkin Donuts aren't very marketable to sell to say, People magazine. They may sell an occasional photo, but why would a paparazzo hang out in Wernersville to take pictures of this oversized family that probably won't fetch much money? Why not stake out in NY or LA where lots of celebs are or wherever the latest hot story is? With interest in the Gosselins waning, why do they still get photographed daily? Not that the pictures wind up anywhere substancial (sosugary). What's in it for the PHOTOGRAPHER? I doubt it's a big paycheck. Just wondering.

11/22/2009 4:24 PM
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No publicity is poor publicity.

TLC has quite a stake in keeping the Gosselins up front and out there.

TLC pays the paparazzi and pays them well. After all, Eileen O'Neill says "It is hard to walk away from high numbers."

Charles said...

Fighting for custody was just done out of anger. J&K simply want to hurt one another.

Neither really wants full time custody.

There are an awful lot of kids involved, and more than either J or K want full time.

There will be times when J&K will be begging the other to take the kids so they can get away for a while.

Can't See Sheep said...

Rebecca F. said...

It is funny about the "cautionary tale" because I saw a commercial today about a new "little couple" Craig and Becky (I think?). They were doing a couch interview and the husband says to his wife at the end "Let's hold hands!" and she snarkily and rudely says "Let's not."

Honestly, it was Kate all over again.....
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OMG! I saw that when my hubby was flipping channels this afternoon & I thought the very same thing, oh no, they've found another kate. I wish someone would pull a plug on TLC, I really, really, really wish they would. There doesn't need to be another jon & kate, there really doesn't need to be. There doesn't need to be more family's self destructing on their channel. I hope all the couples that do divorce with a show on there sue TLC for everything. Time to bring the giant down.

Can't See Sheep said...

fidosmommy said...

Lyn, I'm not sure where to start...
This is going to be long, so be ready for it.

PART 1 OF 2
PART 2 of 2

Jane in California said...
Minka's tail said...
Babsie said...
She's come undone said...
Rose said...
Two clueless idiots said...
KyPastor said...
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Bravo!!!! Bravo all of you!!!! So very well said! All of you, everyone is so very much on the ball. There are so many that are good & I've tried very hard to not miss names, but I'm sure I've missed some.

This whole mess stems from what Laura Linger coined herself "her reproductive folly". Take that away and none of this mess would exist, that one bad/ selfish decision started this entire horrific train wreck. Jon made comments about not really being able to afford a third child. You can't have children, blame science for the results & then expect a free pass for life.

Real simple, old decorators trick, if you want mismatched furniture in a room to match you paint it all the same colour, something that could have been done with mis matched cribs, there is paint available that is safe to paint cribs with (google it, it's saved parents much money). But that wasn't what Kate wanted, just like she wasn't interesting in all the free help, she wanted paid help, hmmm, possibly because she likes to boss her help & well, that doesn't work too well with volunteers. You can ASK them to do things a particular way, you cannot scream, demean or demand they do things a particular way. No hard for most of us, but it seems a terribly difficult thing for kate to do.

kate wants what she wants & absolutely nothing less will do, problem is while many of us have champagne tastes we understand the reality of what we can afford & for some strange reason Kate realizes she can't pay it & so tries to con, cajole & force others to pay for it for her. She's lacking some fundamental understanding & teaching in that department, I have no idea why people like her think, well, I can't by it for myself, so i'll scheme & get someone else to get it for me. There are names for people like that & they tend to spend a lot of time in jail once the law catches up with them. This is highly destructive behaviour. It's not something simple like I want that necklace I'll get my boyfriend to buy it for me. Kate's attitude is 'I want to be richer than Oprah lifestyle', now who can I get to pay for it, rather than how do I go about giving my family & I the BEST life possible.

IMO kate is not mentally well equipped to raise these children. Boss them around, drive them nuts, drive them away, yes, that she can probably do in her sleep. But to teach them & equip them with all they're going to need to cope in this world, no, she's not equipped for that.

It takes strong people to be in show business & keep themselves grounded, kate is not a strong person, she's proven this episode after episode, appearance after appearance. She's not feisty, she's mouthy, she does not posses great stores of willpower, she's stubborn, the differences between these are vast & she would do well to learn those difference.

These children are going to be able to google themselves & will find a lot out there that's not always so positive about them & that's an injustice done to them by their parents & TLC, they did nothing to warrant any of it, but if they google themselves, it's all there for them to see. Not to mention if some of the fan sites are still up when they do it, they might find some of them a little disturbing too.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Don't forget the prison plates and two year old sippy cups for 5 year olds.

Shari said...

whykatesaid: Even Brangelina and the Cruises don't get this much daily intrusion, and they're glamorous and talented.
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The truly famous & talented never CALL the papps themselves to tell them where they'll be when out in public. Only the desperate wannabe's do that.

Shut Up Kate said...

Dear Dunwoody Mom,
The entertainment industry is ruthless, cutthroat, manipulative and everyone involved in it is disposable. It doesn't play by society's rules and it especially doesn't play nice. TLC has the smartest, savviest, sharpest team of lawyers money can buy and they lawyers will play as hard, ruthless and dirty as possible, as long it's within the law--just barely. This isn't just about Jon, this is about reality television--with millions, possibly billions, of dollars in future earnings at stake. And Jon is going into battle with a lawyer who appears to be completely unqualified for this type of battle.

The contract does not restrict Jon from making a living. It restricts him from making paid public appearances without TLC's approval. There's a huge difference. Jon is more than welcome to get an IT job anytime he wants in order to provide for his family. He can mow lawns, become an astronaut or President of the United States and TLC couldn't touch him. He could even write children's books, since he insists no one will hire him because of the paparazzi. But Jon can't go on TV as himself and be paid for trashing TLC and the show until his contract expires. He signed that right away with his very own hand.

TLC is protecting a brand that was supposed to represent wholesome television and family values (don't get me started.) Having a married father of eight young children getting trashed in Vegas, smoking like a chimney and hanging out with bikini-clad women does not help the brand's image that they carefully constructed. If Jon has made cameos on Hannah Montana or something like that, they probably would have let it go. But he chose to rip the show and then do the tackiest, most tasteless publicity stunts possible. And having wonderful people like Michael Lohan in his camp just made everything go from bad to worse.

All reality show contracts are designed for this specific type of situation-- to prevent anyone appearing or working on the show from trashing it while it's still airing, and especially to make sure they own every square inch of the person for a period of time if they become a breakout sensation like J&K did. Remember Ryan Seacrest's other half, Dunkelman, from the first season of American Idol. He vanished. Five years later he re-emerged, going on a rampage about the show and appeared on Celebrity Fit Club, etc., trashing AI at every turn. Why? Because he was finally LEGALLY allowed to do so.

The only thing that can rarely save anyone against the industry and its lawyers is the "court of public opinion." There will be no groundswell of support to help save Jon because he tied his own noose and everyone knows it. If he had stayed the sweet, gentle, devoted father figure who was viciously abused by Kate, he may have had a chance. But Jon's behavior has made people turn against him.

From what I can tell so far, I think they have a valid case against Jon for breach of contract. If he had a really good lawyer, he might have a chance and have a chance to make a private sealed settlement, but his lawyer is a flake. Heller wants celebrity as much as Jon does. He talks to much and none of his points make any legal sense. I don't think Jon has a prayer. Instead, I just pray for the children.

For the Moment? said...

Apparently, from the snippets of tonight's show, Kate is going to play the Jon card all over again. Jon should be driving the van...right. Why doesn't someone stand up and say, you are the one who told Jon it was over, out of the blue for no apparent reason and you are the one who filed for the divorce. I just hate that she gets by with playing the victim when she is in fact the instigator of the whole fiasco. She actually thought she would be more marketable as a single mom of 8, and this might have been the case had she not proven herself to be the monster mom from hail [sic].

abbie said...

Nancy I agree w/ everything you said. We will apparently still have k8 to h8 when she gets her 'own' show. (Eyeroll here)

karma train said...

Merrilee said...

Why Kate Said...Even Brangelina and the Cruises don't get this much daily intrusion, and they're glamorous and talented. Why so much attention to jowly, large assed Kate? Is being hateable enough of a reason to warrant all that attention? Any thoughts?
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because these two dolts made their own children get a job to support their family. 'nuff said.

Saw It Too, Rebecca said...

Rebecca F: I don't watch TLC and won't until the entire Gosselin charade is over and perhaps until they stop being the freak show they've become.

But visiting with friends last night, they had the hated channel on their TV and I saw the little people version of the personalities of Jon and Kate. They had one child during this episode, the woman snapped and snarled at the admittedly laid-back husband while they were on the couch in the interview, as well as in scenes from their home.

It was pretty obvious to a blind man that these particular little people were chosen because of the nastiness of the wife toward her husband and life in general. When the show concluded, the baby was 5 months old and had just been determined to be an average size person. I shudder to think that TLC is going to shove this mini-Khate down the throats of viewers.

Jana said...

BUT ...

She's getting HER OWN SHOW COMPLIMENTS OF TLC IN THE SPRING! How on earth will she keep ratings?

When I heard this, I was appalled. Simply appalled.

karma train said...

I don't think the fact that Jon is not fighting Kate's primary custody is a bad thing. Perhaps he realizes that the constant c bad for the kids I have read that 50/50 custody can be exhausting on the kids. He will have anything up to 50% of the time with them. Plus, that's just physicas custody. Legal custody is different. He needs to get joint legal custody so that his approval is required for medical/legal decisions, such as allowing them to film. Hopefully that is why he looked relaxed after the arbitration and she looked p&ss#d.
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the only thing kate would have been pissed about is finances--looks like Jon will get his fair share (guess she wanted ALL of it).

As for the primary custody, that is not a big deal. Almost all mothers get primary custody, barring they are not physically abusing the kids, neglecting them, etc (and even then, it would have to be BAD). It is almost impossible for a father to get custody without some serious issues going on concerning the mother. That does not give Kate any more legal rights concerning the children--they still BOTH have a say in where the kids live, go to school, IF THEY CAN FILM (and if Jon has a document saying he can stop it, there is not one thing she can do). They both are equally responsible for health costs, college costs, etc. The only thing primary custody is, is that that she lives in the home with the kids (Jon doesn't want to live there, so he doesn't care). There is ample visitation, every other weekend, birthday times, holidays, vacations, etc.,. If Kate has to work during her time with the kids, she will get a sitter and or nanny (if she still can afford a nanny) like every other divorced mother in America. This isn't rocket science.

Jon did not give up any legal
rights to the children. He would have had a hard time convincing the judge he was the better parent without traumatizing the kids during a custody battle (which would involved experts talking to the kids, etc.) Primary care, no big deal. (They will also probably split the tax deductions also-no judge is going to give her all of them, especially since Jon will have to pay child support--and he will..it might be a small amount since it will be based on his income and assets).

Once the hype goes away, the fame and money, Kate is going to be stuck with 8 little liabilities.

Jana said...

Now that Jon has agreed (yesterday) to give up custody to Kate, KATE WILL BE CHARGED WITH MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR THE KIDS. WHICH MEANS ... MORE FILMING IN THE MONTHS AHEAD!

Mark. My. Word.

And tell me. What kind of father gives up custody to his whackadoo wife obsessed with seeing herself on TV? One who clearly cares less about the welfare of his children.

Jon Gosselin is a loser. Period. The end.

She's...um...RUINED said...

I just love the promo for tonight's show...you can tell the part of when she is fixated on her boobs in the purple shirt, that it was filmed last spring....she is quite impressed with her boobs. CRACKS ME UP!!! lol!!!!!!

If Kate gets her own show, GREAT. That is what she wants, Tlc wants, I say go for it. The people that will watch are the ones that love and hate her. I figure she will get the numbers they are drawing now: the people that love her, and the people that hate her. They already lost the people that watched them due to their 'faith'. The second group to not watch will be the ones that watched for the kids.

There are lots of shows on I don't watch, so who cares if she gets a show or not. If there are people that want to watch her, I say, go for it and knock yourself out!!

Pilgrim Soul said...

Isn't there a danger that if Jon becomes destitute, he can give his OK for the kids to resume filming reality programming? If he hits rock bottom, what will he care about the public's reaction?

Dreams in Black and White said...

Like others on this site, I am not overly excited about this "finale". This whole thing has a creepy and familiar vibe about it. It is very reminiscent of those classic slasher films of the 1980's. The heroes finally stop the pyscho killer in the end and they set him on fire or shoot him and he falls out of a 10 story window. They go to look at the body and it is gone only to miraculously be brought back to life in 8 more sequels. The monsters in this film (Jon and Kate) may have met their just rewards in the end but when the heroes go down to look for the bodies I think they will find them gone and the credits roll. The End? I do not think so.

BarbMae said...

There is a finale in that the 8 children will not be filmed anymore by TLC. Finale of Jon and Kate. Never. Kate is coming back Spring 2010 w/a show, what kind of show is anybody's guess. Jon has not taken any good advice in months and still remains a cheese whiz, so he will not be going away either. Showing up w/half dead flowers? WTH? There will still be intense media coverage of him regarding the TLC lawsuit and he seems to be keeping his PR man and lawyer the Hellers, so things will end up badly for him. End? Sadly no.

SafetyTrain said...

Kate will never survive hosting a her own show. The woman couldn't take focus off of herself long enough to fake interest in her guests, audience. TLC might as well film her fawning all over herself in the bathroom mirror. It'll save them the cost of renting a set, etc.

HW said...

To those who think the Gosselin children have not paid a heavy price, I ask you to look at your own children.

The next time your child is going to the potty, imagine this on youtube in every household in the nation. Imagine their classmates seeing this and what your child will face at school.

The next time your child throws a tantrum, imagine it being caught on film, placed on youtube the next day and your child facing her peers at school. Imagine your child'd embarrasment that her weakest moments are captured for eternity.

The next time you fight with your spouse, imagine that being filmed and placed on youtube. Then imagine your child going to school the next day, knowing that most of her classmates are aware that her parents are so vile to each other (one in particular).

The next time your child is going off to school, imagine their departure (and return) being filmed by paparazzi. Imagine them starting and ending their day with cameras in their face instead of the loving, private, gentle words of a mother who loves them simply for being them.

Imagine your child's doctor's appointments being filmed for the world to see. Imagine your child's dental appointments being filmed while you disparage her for having crooked teeth. Then imagine the world seeing that. Imagine your childn being filmed in his or her underwear or various stages of undress and then having to go to school and listen to his classmates say "I saw you in your underwear."

Can none of you fans of the show see this from the children's viewpoint and see that they are indeed paying a heavy price? Because they are little, do they deserve to be humiliated?

SafetyTrain said...

JJL said...

She's boring. Without Jon and the kids she's just some lady who has no one to yell at.

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Well said.

Laurie said...

Goawayfools asked what's in it for the photographers? They're being paid by TLC to keep pictures of kon on sites like rol and just jared.

GLenda said...

Shoshanna said...
Shawna said . . .

Party at my house Monday night! You are all invited....

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dustlilies said...
You're on, sweetie!
Can I bring cupcakes?
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Yes, you can bring cupcakes.
But you can't EAT THEM!

I'll bring the yogurt cups, bibs and sippy cups!
LOL LOL LOL

MickeyMcKean said...

Nancy said...
I certainly believe that THIS BLOG had an ENORMOUS effect in educating the masses on the REAL back story and the damage continually being inflicted on the 8 innocents. I am VERY proud of the blog moderators and all the participants! I am eternally grateful for all of your foresight, insights, great humor and perseverance in bringing the truth foreward. It is a great accomplishment that at least the children, for now anyway, are off TV!
Love you all for being there for throughout this long ordeal.

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ITA with the above post because I can confirm that THIS BLOG made an ENORMOUS difference to MY view of a show that I enjoyed on a weekly basis.

Thank you for getting the truth behind the scenes and the damage it is doing to the innocent children out to the masses. See, until my education I considered it entertainment.

The bad news is that I know all their names and most of the time I can distinguish between Leah and Alexis; the good news is that I am not a pedophile.

JON AND KATE - I hope and pray that security measures are in place to protect these children because now that the show has ended, I fear that a pedophile(s) who may have a fixation on one of the children will seek out that child and due to your quest for media attention even I could find you if I wanted to do so with very little effort.

Last but not least, due to the efforts of THIS BLOG I support any legislation put in place to protect children on reality TV shows and this is even after J&K+8 is off the air.

So good going to all the moderators - you made a difference!!!!

Dunwoody Mom said...

Jana said: Now that Jon has agreed (yesterday) to give up custody to Kate, KATE WILL BE CHARGED WITH MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR THE KIDS. WHICH MEANS ... MORE FILMING IN THE MONTHS AHEAD!

Um, Jon did not give Kate custody of the kids.

organizedblogroll said...

Kate's TLC show? Spring boarding these kids back on the boobtube....

ManicNarcissism said...

Does sosugary even pay for those pics? And if so, how do they make money from them?

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The owner of sosugary came on here months ago and said that he/she pays for the pics, does not live in the US, is no relation and does not personally know the Gosselins, that he/she started as a fan but not sheeple, but now doesn't really care. It has ads on it so I assume that is how he/she is making money. I wish I would have thought of it.

If the owner is reading and something I stated is inaccurate, apologies, going from memory and it has been at least 2-3 months when I questioned this site.

Lucy said...

HW said: To those who think the Gosselin children have not paid a heavy price, I ask you to look at your own children.

Your post was very astute HW. I read it more than once. I wish all the sheeple could read and re-read your post. Then they might get it! Such a different perspective when taken in context of your own children. Thanks for bringing home the true reality of it all as seen from the eyes of children.

notalawyer said...

Re: Shut Up Kate
You make some very good points about TLc and the entertainment industry. Of course they're not stopping Jon from getting a "regular" job--but if his lawyer can prove that TLC has trashed Jon's reputation, making him basically "unhireable"--doesn't that carry some weight? Also, he could mow lawns, but a father of eight needs to make more money than that to contribute to the care and support of his children--would that also influence the judge? I'm just asking, as I have no legal background.
Another point that I though of-in defending its case against Jon, wouldn't TLC be admitting that its "reality" show is not real--that the show is in fact NOT a documentary type of show and therefore, the children are working? If TLC is merely documenting the children's "real" lives, wouldn't having a doofus Dad out bar-hopping be part of their "reality?" In court, at least, how can TLC defend both sides of this position?
We have said here that the show is basically an informercial type of show--the image of a large family and the products/services that they use. It is also a used as a platform so that Kate could sell more books (of which, I read, TLC gets a cut of the royalties). If TLC wants to assert that the legally, the children are not working, then wouldn't they have to drop the whole "brand" argument?

DaisysMommy said...

She's come undone said...
Lyn, if you don't believe the children have paid a high price just google Mady Gosselin. Be prepared though because there are over 900,000 results and many of them are very ugly. Ugly discussions about a child. Her parents did this to her. The people who are suppose to protect her and keep her safe. The people who are suppose to guard her private moments as well as her childhood.

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I think thats the saddest part in all of this. Lots of children go through their parents divorcing, lots of children may have something embarrassing happen to them and their classmates find out about it and tease them for it (not that those things aren't difficult)... but how many of them have literally dozens if not hundreds of these less than savory moments on tape for everyone to see and nearly a million negative and down right cruel comments on their every move out on the internet? I'm a 25 year woman and I don't think I could handle that, how is a 9 year old supposed to? Especially going into teenage years, when ones sense of self is already so fragile. I often wonder how the twins self esteem is since they always seem to get pushed aside in favor of the tups and I really hope that all 8 of them get through the rough road ahead that was paved for them by their own parents. I don't understand how Jon and Kate can't see this... people have been saying nasty things about Mady in particular online for a while now and I just can't get my head around her parents being not only okay with it but seemingly encouraging it by continuing the show/media frenzy. It just breaks my heart.

snark said...

Kate's getting chunkier and chunkier.

Gail said...

Milking cows. Sort of symbolic of the way TLC has been milking this family. Good bye dear children- I hope you now learn what life is really like!

ToTheMoonAlice said...

It may be the finale for J+K+8, but Kate will still be around...She's like some weird, alien life-form in one of those cheesy sci-fi movies. Once the aliens land, ya can't get rid of 'em with anything short of destroying half the earth!

Beejcctx said...

Amazingly someone else has been considering LEGISLATION to protect children in Reality Television - check out what I found Friday:

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1452986

Professor Dayna Royal of the Cumberland School of Law puts it on the table folks.

It is excellent. Now if only the Professor, Paul Petersen, Gloria Alred and the folks at ChildAbuseWatch would get together to push for NATIONAL LEGISLATION!!!

Rose said...

You brought up a good point, Yolanda. You are definitely right - I know I was comparing Kate to the likes of Jennifer Garner, Faith Hill and Reese Witherspoon, but those actresses aren't famous because of their kids, but Kate is.

Still, those actors have it within their power to put their children in front of the cameras and say "Hey, look at me and my adorable children". Some former child stars who have families and have gotten away from the acting business could revitalize their careers and make tons of money by accepting one of the hundreds of reality show offers that they get. So why don't we see them doing that? Could it be because raising their kids privately and normally is more important to them than latching onto a job as fake and invasive as Reality Land?

My point is that yes, a reality series starring your family can earn you a nice fat paycheck if it does well, and if your success goes as far as that of the Gosselins, you can even afford to abandon your "real world" jobs and live on lavish freebies while your kids' college funds continue to grow. The ignorant people see the material-based perks and jump right on board, but the intelligent ones look at the bigger picture and recognize that while they may achieve financial security, the final price may not be worth paying. And by that, I mean the seemingly little things that we take for granted, like walking from the parking lot to the grocery store without photographers blinding you and overzealous fans shouting obscenities at you, when all you really want is to just grocery shop for your family.

Kate loves to tell us that she didn't sign up for any of the scrutiny or paparazzi, but can she look us in the eye and say that none of the negative possibilities went through her head when the show was first offered to her? Come on!

If Kate cared as much about her kids as she says she does, she would realize that they are being hurt by her decisions, and not in a small way. She can't just say that she is confident the show is good for the kids, then turn around and confess that she's up at night worrying if she's making the right decisions. She can't say that there is "nothing harmful about it" for the kids, then proceed to explain that Mady wants to be President someday so she can illegalize the paparazzi. She says one thing on the show with a haughty smile and a "gee, aren't I cute" giggle, but then she goes on the talk shows and squeezes out as many tears as she can to try showing us how "afraid" she is for her children. It's just not possible for her to have it both ways, and yet she's gotten away with contradicting herself all this time.

Jane in California said...

Jana said...

Now that Jon has agreed (yesterday) to give up custody to Kate, KATE WILL BE CHARGED WITH MAKING THE DECISIONS FOR THE KIDS. WHICH MEANS ... MORE FILMING IN THE MONTHS AHEAD!

Mark. My. Word.
And tell me. What kind of father gives up custody to his whackadoo wife obsessed with seeing herself on TV? One who clearly cares less about the welfare of his children.
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Jana - if you have the time, please read other entries on this blog which do a great job of explaining how custody works, esp in PA. Although Kate was awarded primary custody, that DOES NOT mean she gets to make all decisions regarding the children. She and Jon will both retain parental rights in that regard.

As I understand it, it simply means that she has primary custody, i.e., she lives with the children in their primary residence. She may even have them more than 50% of the time, but that is not clear. They may each have the children 50% of the time.

It's a sort of common sense approach. The primary parent doesn't have to check with the other parent for every little thing - such as taking them to the doctor if they have an ear infection, etc. But for bigger decisions that affect the children, both parents must reach agreement (if for example, Kate wanted the kids to switch to a different school, Jon would have to also agree; or more importantly, if she wanted the kids filmed for a reality tv show, she'd need Jon's agreement as well.)

I'm not saying Jon or Kate aren't losers, just that Jon isn't a loser for agreeing that Kate can be called the primary custodian of the children.

Marianne said...

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but when they were filming the firestation stuff, Jon was wearing a tshirt that said "Lies, Lies, Lies." How appropriate, right? I wonder if TLC will blur that out.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Primary custody just means primary physical custody. The other parent can have a bunch of riders that basically give him joint custody in very aspect of the decision making process, if he so chooses... Including whether or not the kids film.

As far as Kate's Spring Fling on TLC - she will long be forgotten by then.

CanineDivine said...

Shawna said...

Party at my house Monday night! You are all invited....

Please bring eight fast food happy meals,
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Wouldn't that be only 5 happy meals because the twins each get one and the tups split with each other?

Peas and Carrots said...

I can see J&K+8 being re-run to death by TLC. We will see J&K marathons. It will never totally go away. Those poor kids.

readerlady said...

HW - brilliant post, and I think you made your point. I'll take it even further. Imagine 9, 10, 15, 20 years from now. A college admissions officer looks at your application and says "Mady Gosselin - Oh yes, you melted down on TV regularly". Or applying for your first job "Hannah Gosselin - oh,you're the one who pooped in her underwears", "Leah Gosselin - you got smacked for blowing a whistle" "Joel Gosselin - you're clueless" "Collin Gosselin - you're sneaky" What has been said about these kids by their parents, what has been done to them in the public eye, what has been written about them in articles and on the internet, will stay with them for their lifetime. We all have to share some of the responsibility for that, because we watched, we read, we wrote, but the primary responsibility for all of this verbiage and footage lies with Jon and Khate. And there's no way to take it back. Ever.

Kikilia said...

Why so many purses?

XYZed said...

Wake me when it's well and truly over. Surely, it's all been just a bad dream.

Oh, and TLC . . . in case you're reading this, I won't be watching.

MirandaB2008 said...

Fido'smommy said:
Kate, I will not miss you, dear.
I will not find a void in my life in the small space where you once
were. I will think about you only enough to be thankful you are no longer willfully and knowingly
letting your children be exploited so you can put bread on the table.

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Well Said! couldn't agree with you more. we sit here on the Eve of the Last Finale show of this Series and I hope as you do, as most of us I'm sure do.... that the Gosselin children can somehow live a Normal Rest of their childhood away from the Glare of lights and cameras.

Recently Kate keeps flapping on and on about the intrusions of the ' paparazzi' but for the life of me? I don't really see the difference between them? and the TLC camera crews ( as far as the children are concerned I mean ) other than one is kept at a further distance from the actual subjects they are filming.
it's all those kids have EVER known so the only difference is the obvious negative reaction from their Mother.

ToTheMoonAlice said...

Kikilia said...
Why so many purses?

Well, she's gotta have someplace to stash that big ole' ego, don't she?

Jenny said...

Jane in California said:
As I understand it, it simply means that she has primary custody, i.e., she lives with the children in their primary residence. She may even have them more than 50% of the time, but that is not clear. They may each have the children 50% of the time.
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Jane, I'm just wondering how it would work since K8 has primary custody of the kids, meaning she lives in the house all the time with them...if the 50% deal turns out to be the case, wouldn't that mean that she would have to leave and go elsewhere so Jon could be at the house 50% of the time? I mean since the kids surely won't go to his NY apt.

I guess I'm just wondering what happens when Jon gets his visitation days with the kids... and if K8 gets to be at the house even during his time with them. I guess we'll find out soon enough how it's all going to work. I'd just like her to get the heck out of the mansion when it's time for Jon to be with the kids even though she apparently has "primary custody" which means she's the one who actually lives at the house.

Can't See Sheep said...

Hmm, Jon brings roses, now what would have been the high road here? well, you take them, if you don't really want them why not give them to the kids when you get home.

If Jon didn't specify with a card, it's easy enough to say, look what daddy gave us. She may not enjoy them, but the children will appreciate that daddy thought about them & they're probably not having a lot of bright moments in life right now.

Charles said...

(snip)...

The owner of sosugary came on here months ago and said that he/she pays for the pics, does not live in the US, is no relation and does not personally know the Gosselins, that he/she started as a fan but not sheeple, but now doesn't really care. It has ads on it so I assume that is how he/she is making money. I wish I would have thought of it.

If the owner is reading and something I stated is inaccurate, apologies, going from memory and it has been at least 2-3 months when I questioned this site.

11/23/2009 9:54 AM
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Well, if any of that was true, I will be surprised. I think it is all part of TLC.

Charles said...

funny about the "cautionary tale" because I saw a commercial today about a new "little couple" Craig and Becky (I think?). They were doing a couch interview and the husband says to his wife at the end "Let's hold hands!" and she snarkily and rudely says "Let's not."

Honestly, it was Kate all over again.....

11/22/2009 4:57 PM
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Yup, that was MY take too! Here we go again. Please, oh please, if there is a warm human at TLC, please keep this family together.

Betty said...

Primary custody does NOT mean Kate lives with the kids in the house 100% of the time. Primary means first or more time not FULL time. They can still split their time at the house. Kate did not get SOLE custody. Primary could mean as little as 51% of the time with the kids. More than likely it's 60 or so percent with Kate and 40 with Jon. That's about what they were doing before arbitration.

In the Barn said...

Charles said, "Fighting for custody was just done out of anger. J&K simply want to hurt one another.

Neither really wants full time custody.

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I agree with you, Charles. Jon did the whole Mr. Mom thing and obviously has no intention of taking that on again.

Also looks to me like Kate doesn't want full time custody either. If spending as much time as possible with her kids was truly a priority (as she always claims), she'd be unwilling to be on the road and away from them as much as she has been. Soon as the opportunity to leave the kids in the compound, that woman was gone every chance she got.

Don't have to be a math major to compute this one: neither parent wants full time residential custody, except for the CONTROL it affords.

Kate dominated and controlled the family ship during the marriage. If/Since Jon turned over primary custody to her now, nothing has changed except he has more legal freedom away from Katezilla and kids.

Obviously, he is ok with Kate keeping her iron fist of control in action.

A smart man might've attempted to balance out the power via the divorce, but Jon seems happy just to be O-U-T.

Sad for the kids. I see lots of nanny time on their horizon.

Theygrossmeout said...

HAHA love the countdown clock on TLC. It is funny how TLC thinks the show's finale is worthy of a countdown.

Jenny said...

Hi Betty. Thanks for that explanation of primary custody, I feel much better knowing that K8 has to vacate whenever it's Jon's turn. I just couldn't imagine how stifling the atmosphere would be if she were allowed to be there at the same time.

redskiesatnight said...

The owner of sosugary came on here months ago and said that he/she pays for the pics,

Who is this individual paying in exhange for the Gosselin photographs? The paps? A photographer hired and on the pay roll of ....... for the sole purpose of taking photographs of the Gosselin family and 'selling' said photographs to the sosugary website? Im not understanding how an individual can 'buy' ,'distribute', and profit from photographs of the Gosselin family via an internet website specifically designed to accomodate Gosselin family photographs without the consent of Jon and Kate Gosselin , the individuals that appear in the photographs, or TLC for that matter.

Natalie said...

Buh-BYE said...
I find observing my 7 yr.old daughter's beginning Jazz class to be more inspiring and entertaining than were I to ever watch the G.Kids again (I quit watching entirely, some time ago). Frankly, the G. kids are not that cute, and many times the glowering facial expressions the girls wear are off-putting. If I want to see average-looking people glower, I can go to WalMart and stand in line for awhile.
At least watching my little gal's dance class, I see A) MY OWN daughter not someone else's kids exculsively, and B) some kids WANTING to be there,; WANTING to do what they are doing. And exhibiting some modicum of talent, albeit in its early stages. The G. kids just fight and scream and hit.
Yawn

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EXACTLY!!! For years my Grandmother has said "Why would anyone watch these kids, they are obnoxious and not that cute."
Love the Wal-Mart line!

truu03 said...

Promos don't say "See them for the last time." They say "See them TOGETHER for the last time." Also says season and not series finale, right??

This isn't over, it is just over in this format.

Jon & Kate need money to keep up with the spa and ski lifestyle they have become accustomed to. Kids gotta pay the bills!

Me! Me! I know the answer! said...

redskiesatnight said...
The owner of sosugary came on here months ago and said that he/she pays for the pics,

Who is this individual paying in exhange for the Gosselin photographs? The paps? A photographer hired and on the pay roll of ....... for the sole purpose of taking photographs of the Gosselin family and 'selling' said photographs to the sosugary website? Im not understanding how an individual can 'buy' ,'distribute', and profit from photographs of the Gosselin family via an internet website specifically designed to accomodate Gosselin family photographs without the consent of Jon and Kate Gosselin , the individuals that appear in the photographs, or TLC for that matter.

11/23/2009 2:21 PM
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The answer? Why of course, it is TLC. They want to keep the Gosselins out there as long and in as many ways as possible.

MomIAm said...

I happen to think the kids are plenty cute. The problem is they are ugly in their bad behavior. When they hit, scream, act out, whatever, they look like brats. When they smile, they light up the world.

she is evil said...

Here's the scary thing regarding Kate having primary custody: even though Jon can be just as involved in those kids' lives as Kate (more since he actually pays attention to them), it still sounds like she is the more involved, responsible parent, huh? Look at all the confusion on this thread alone; with posters worrying that Kate will have full control of the kids. I was confused too, and I share joint custody of my kids with my ex! I think the fact that someone (ROL?) said "Jon did not fight for primary custody" was misleading and made Jon sound like he was abandoning the kids. Primary custody is a legal term (the primary custodian can claim the kids as dependents on tax returns , for example), but has nothing to do with time spent with the kids, decisions about education...,or FILMING. But those headlines sure made everyones head spin, didn't they?

WallyWinnie said...

Cant See Sheep: "OMG! I saw that when my hubby was flipping channels this afternoon & I thought the very same thing, oh no, they've found another kate. I wish someone would pull a plug on TLC, I really, really, really wish they would. There doesn't need to be another jon & kate, there really doesn't need to be. There doesn't need to be more family's self destructing on their channel. I hope all the couples that do divorce with a show on there sue TLC for everything. Time to bring the giant down"

I about died watching that TLC show last night, Little People, Big Pregnancy....followed by Little People, Big Delivery.
(Des. Housewives was not on because of the music awards)

I was seeing the developement of a new Jon and Kate also AND even was wondering if that is the SAME BROWN LOVE SEAT that Jon and Kate had in the E-town house basement!?

Anyone???

stayinganon said...

Hey everyone. I'm this 'sosugary' person people are talking about. Yes, I've posted here before but never have said that I pay for pics. I'm a broke college student and couldn't do that even if I wanted to (which I don't). Every picture there is freely available elsewhere on the web, just collected together. I've never been in contact with TLC, or the Gosselins for that matter, and don't make money from the site. If you go to sosugary.com you can see that anyone is able to apply for a free gallery on any topic, which is what I did. One of the host's requirements is that ads be placed on the site, so that's why they're there (presumably the host makes money from them but I don't). So no, I don't make money from it, nor do I pay anything for it. Hope that clears it up (not that it really matters any more given that this whole business is seemingly at its end, but I was getting a bunch of emails accusing me of various things and wanted to clear it up).

abbie said...

having seperate living quarters for when Jon is at the house during his custody time...she bought a condo in Montgomery County, MD last I heard.

goawayfools said...

Here's what I want to know: why the hell is jowly Kate so very mad at Jon? Why did she end their marriage without trying counseling first....you know, for the kids? I doubt it's because he cheated on her because you just know she would have milked that for all the sympathy it was worth. She has done plenty of jon bashing but never said a peep about adultery, except with the smutty nanny, and sorry, Kate, but you were already separated. So.....why break up when you have 8 kids to raise who, even Kate has to admit, love their father? Why throw in the towel abruptly? This is what I think: Kate was willing to do anything (let Jon cheat, stay in an unhappy marriage) so long as the show
continued. I think Jon tried to pull the plug last year and Kate filed for divorce to freeze the assets, keep jon under her thumb and continue filming. I'm sure she never considered that he was a bigger draw than her. In her little pea brain, I'm sure she thought Kate plus 8 was viable with her blabbing bullcrap about her sacrifice and Jons faults on that iconic couch. Well, now you know, Kate. It isn't all about you. It was always about the kids. And their father. And THEIR sacrifice for having to live with you. Bitch

anotherthing... said...

In The Barn said

"...Sad for the kids. I see lots of nanny time on their horizon."

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I'd be sad for them if it were full time Kate!!! lol

I bet more time with a nanny and less time with their 'mom' is better for them... Healthier & happier in many ways: sad but true.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"I was confused too, and I share joint custody of my kids with my ex! I think the fact that someone (ROL?) said "Jon did not fight for primary custody" was misleading and made Jon sound like he was abandoning the kids. Primary custody is a legal term (the primary custodian can claim the kids as dependents on tax returns , for example), but has nothing to do with time spent with the kids, decisions about education...,or FILMING. But those headlines sure made everyones head spin, didn't they?"

That's true. Even if she is has primary custody or is the custodial parent, he will still have partial custody and visitation rights. And they will definitely have joint legal custody.

Lillie Mae Acres said...

Oh, they're not gone forever! You know how reruns run on and on and on and on until the next century! Those pitiful kids will have it much be worse when they grow up than the child actors from our generation. And we thought Jan from the made up Brady Bunch family resented her childhood? Just wait folks. TLC and these parents have paved the way for these kids to have problems on down the road.

anotherthing... said...

Tonights episode in a nutshell will be Kate saying she did/does everything for the kids. Jon saying he did the best he could do at the time. My guess is that it will be a montage of old moments with them adding their $00.02 in about it. On seperate couches, in seperate clips(my guess).

Nothing new. Nothing revealing. Nothing we dont know. Nothing shocking.

Just re-packaging an old and 'past date' product. Sort of like selling week old spoiled milk and calling it new, ground-breaking deluxe cheese.

I dont buy it TLC. I also wont buy it if/when Kates 'show' comes out (fails) in spring.

*sigh* I hope the trauma is nearly over for those kids. And frankly, for us, the public, as well.

stayinganon said...

Hey justasking. The site is just a hobby and doesn't really take more than an hour or so a day. I know people are skeptical and I suppose it doesn't really matter in the end if they choose to visit the gallery or not because, as I said, there is no money to be gained :) So feel free to make up your mind either way. It might not even exist for much longer because there are fewer and fewer pictures coming out on them. Though I haven't decided whether to actually take the gallery down or just leave it as is.

KateDoesn'tCare said...

I don't think Kate is going to necessarily bring the kids onto her new show. Why would the narcissist want to share the spotlight with anyone else?

I think if they have created her a show where she is center of attention without having to share it with her 8 kids she'll be thrilled. Even better to her mind. Just her and the cameras.

It's possible the ratings will be bad enough she'll feel the need to bring the kids on in order to boost ratings. But I don't see her sharing her spotlight unless she absolutely has to.

Ravello said...

Everyone, please do not watch tonight. If they get a big rating, we will see a new TLC show starring Kate the Great by spring. And I fear the kids will be part of the act. I fear Jon will turn decision making over to Kate, perhaps in exchange for a favorable financial settlement.

I am very ashamed to say I used to watch and even attended a Love Offering at a church. I was not there as a sheeple, 2-3 years ago I was trying to figure out the mystery of who these people were. I felt something was amiss but could not totally define the issues.
Thanks to the short lived cowardly TWOP board for getting the discussions going.
I am eternally greatful to the owner, moderators of GWOP. Finally we had a forum to speak about our concerns and flesh out the truth. It took a while but we helped change public opinion. Of course, Jon and Kate self destructed while we were watching, commenting, posting and chasing the truth.

Rejoice in at least a short term break from filming for the Gosselin 8. Stay involved in this story, the fat lady has not sung yet. I hope she is warming up in Wernersville PA and sings one last time in 2010.

TLC's Sosugary Gallery said...

stayinganon said...
Hey everyone. I'm this 'sosugary' person people are talking about. Yes, I've posted here before but never have said that I pay for pics. I'm a broke college student.....(clipped for space)

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Aren't you worried about copyright infringement? Or do you have agreements with the people who originally took the pics? It's my understanding that all images are copyrighted at the time they are created by the original authors (artists).

Also, as I recall, didn't you say a few months ago you were from the UK? (just confused on that point)

Slainte said...

What in the --- is up with Jon?!? He is presenting as a total IDIOT!!

someone smack her said...

Kate is worried that Jon did the lemonade stand as a publicity stunt. Huh? Hasn't her whole life Bern a publicity stunt since the kids were born? Idiot

Lynn said...

I am SO beyond disgusted with TLC. It is obvious that this "finale" is nothing more than slam Jon one last time. Kate had the nerve to say that he "doesn't need to take the kids places to hang out". Are you freakin' kidding me Miss Drag-Them-All-Over-The-Country?!? She has the nerve to question Jon's intentions with the lemonade stand?!? Kate truly makes me ill. She is a toxic person through and through. I am glad this show is over otherwise I may need to get some blood pressure medicine.

ErinKate said...

I was so worried that the show would not include Mady and Cara as they were not shown in the promo. Thank Goodness, I turned the show on at 9:15 to see Mady and Cara both acting up and crying and being removed from the day's lemonade sale because they were "unappreciative" and had to stay home with a sitter. I am so glad TLC and this show had to once again, hopefully for the last time, show these poor young girls in such an unflattering light for all their friends and schoolmates to see. Thanks for the final embarrassment but at least they were included!

Holley said...

Kate worries that Jon taking the kids to do volunteer work may be a bad motive or a publicity stunt? Kate, do you mean like that time you took them to cook dinner at the Ronald McDonald house and rudely announced "Dinner served by Jon & Kate Plus 8, minus Jon"?

Rose said...

Just a few of the infuriating contradictions I noted before turning off the television for good after 18 minutes of this trash:

1. Kate says she doesn't want her kids to grow up remembering her as the woman who tore their father down, yet in almost the exact same breath, she talked about how she wants to be the parent who doesn't just SAY she wants the best for her kids, but actually does it. She later said that she feels the show was taken away from her and the children, and you all know what she really meant there. You know what, Kate? Your kids will see the show's footage for themselves in just a few short years. All you did was trash talk their father, and they're going to know it. Good luck hiding that one, honey.

2. Kate questioned Jon's intentions by having a lemonade stand with the kids - e.g. she thinks it was a "publicity stunt" on his part, yet she drips in designer clothes and a lucrative lifestyle that her children are providing for her by sacrificing the only childhood they're ever going to have.

3. Kate said her job allows her to take her kids to work with her and not have to be away from them. I guess she gets amnesia and forgets every time she goes on book tours and is for weeks at a time because of her "job".

4. TLC had a blast zooming in on the kids' unhappy faces and turning the volume all the way up when Mady said "I like the stuff we do with Mommy better!" Only a network with no moral code whatsoever would play the footage in favor of one parent and assist a monster in tearing down the father of eight young, innocent children. If only we could finally see and hear all the times the children were miserable with their mother (and trust me, there were plenty), they could keep the show going for several more weeks and use recycled footage of the kids. And then maybe justice would finally be served.

5. Kate says she feels better when the kids are at home and just doing normal things around the house, but in last week's episode, she verbally attacked Jon for just staying at home with them instead of doing "projects" with them.

6. Kate claims that the show has given the kids numerous opportunities to travel and do things that they wouldn't otherwise do. My question is, what exactly is stopping her from taking them herself to see the Statue of Liberty or on a trip somewhere? Anywhere! It doesn't matter where! Is Kate that terrified of having to do anything with her children without the cameras documenting it and putting the attention on her? Is a reality series and public attention the only ways she can interact with them?

7. Kate goes on at great length on how she knows who her true friends are: the ones who "listen and listen and listen". The ones she can call and bawl to at 1:00 in the morning. Translation: if you follow along with Kate's scam, let her do all the talking, and kiss her feet as you pass her, then you are her friend. If you try to tell her that something is wrong with pimping out her kids for a few extra bucks, then you are her enemy in a split second.


I can't go on. Again, I only watched 18 minutes, and what I've already written almost makes me feel like there's no hope for humanity anymore. I guarantee you that I will not be watching any other show that is designed for Kate. My fear is that she will never get what she truly deserves. What a full-out, shameless monster she has become...and for what?

debbiejo said...

I dont get TLC...they couldnt have shown both of their "talents" in a worse light. Kate constantly criticizing Jon and whining, "Um, it's um too soon, um to um be over". Does TLC have a death wish?

met said...

I'm not watching. Why are two 8/9 year olds acting up? Are these children's maturity level stunted? I'm not trying to be mean, it just seems that at 8/9 years of age temper tantrums would be a over. At least with my children they are few and far between.

Again, I'm not watching so I don't know what set this off.

someone smack her said...

Part of Mady's unappreciative rant was that they do more fun things with Mom. Hmmm, TLC, hope you're happy that you've put a wedge between the kids and their dad by making sure Kate gets the "fun" shoots. Too bad those shoots have to be spent with Kate

Matt said...

Hoo Boy, they really want to paint Jon in the worst possible light. He looks like a junkie in the interview (can't sit still, etc.), dealing with the twins in the worst way possible, let alone getting buried in the couch commentaries. The comparison between what Kate is sayng and what's known as fact is jaw-dropping.
As I expected, Jon's getting blamed for the show ending. Did she really expect it to go forever?!?!?!
These kids are all in need of serious behavior modification. But they live what they have learned, I guess.

debbiejo said...

Khate grabs the grey kitty from HER CHILDREN and says, "now it's mine". Doesnt that about sum up the whole show?

debbiejo said...

Poor Khate...the show is over, um, too soon, um, it was taken away, from, um, her. Sob, um, sniff,it's um too soon.

Sufferin' Succotash! What that woman has to endure!

Theygrossmeout said...

These kids are horribly behaved. They don't even know how to treat an animal. The fighting over things is unbearable to watch. This show couldn't end at a better time. Now with the cameras off maybe they can properly raise their children. I got a terrible vibe about the way Jon treated the children. They both disgust me. I have had enough. If I thought I may have wanted to watch a second more of these kids upbringing. Tonight sealed the deal in my head. Farewell and good riddance.

Terrie said...

There should be a law againest this family EVER having pets. That poor kitten.

Terrie said...

There should be a law againest this family EVER having pets. That poor kitten.

stayinganon said...

"Aren't you worried about copyright infringement? Or do you have agreements with the people who originally took the pics? It's my understanding that all images are copyrighted at the time they are created by the original authors (artists)."

Yes, I am worried about the legal side of it. That would be one of the main reasons I'll probably take it down eventually. So far I haven't had any emails from copyright holders but when I do the whole thing will come down pronto. Maybe sooner. Maybe today. Like I said, I'm getting a bit tired of this whole thing.

And nope, never said I was from the UK, just said outside the US.

SAHM said...

Well....... How was it?? How did the very last episode go??? How many times was Jon thrown under the bus?? How many times did Kate reference in oh so subtle ways that it was Jon's fault for the show ending??? How many times did she dab her eyes w/ her finely manicured nails??

Wonder what the ratings are for this evenings show???

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

Matt, I was as disgusted as you were at the way they tried painting Jon in a bad light, ONCE AGAIN. You know, they should have had Kate sitting there right next to him saying that stuff with him there to defend himself!

To TLC and Kate: You are fooling very few people. This avid J&K+8 watcher is actually glad you're through; this episode was my last straw.

Oh, and nice; repeating all the crap as a marathon RIGHT BEFORE the finale. I'm more pro Jon than ever!

Shocker88 said...

After watching this episode, a former classmate of mine posted this on facebook:

"I think Jon from "Jon and Kate Plus 8" is a loser. Team Kate!"

can you say: "I buy into everything I see put out by TLC!"

Vanessa said...

Sorry, when I said she wouldn't bash Jon, I meant BLATANTLY bash him... you know, like the dog collar comment? Then she does her little girl giggle? She DID bash him, by trying to speak in her holier than though condescending tone about his alterior motives regarding the lemonade stand.

Canadian Mom said...

Those dear children have turned into unruly, whiny, and miserable brats.

Yeah, I said that.

Unbelievable.

goawayJandK said...

HAHA love the countdown clock on TLC. It is funny how TLC thinks the show's finale is worthy of a countdown.

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Hate to break it to you TLC, but I would rather have a countdown to Christmas.

pogo said...

Yea, it's finally over? Missed the first 15. Trip to the Firehouse: I thought Jon did very well parenting the kids. His handling of the older girls is exactly what I would have done. If you can't listen and behave you can stay home(perhaps Kate coached the girls to act up?) and not ruin it for everyone else. The older girls are being just like Kate. I see Jon had no problem getting the kids into the van(1,2,3 no problem)and to the Firehouse with out help. The kids listened to him. What your problem Kate? you even have helpers/nannies and you still can't handle them. She PO'd me off with this publicity stunt crap, (try she was jealous cause he can handle the kids and she can't) Yes the paps are gonna be everywhere they go(live with it, you made this mess))Kate would have had them stay home instead, but it's OK for her to take them places DOUBLE STANDARD. Her comment was unnessary with a bit of jealousy. Jon did a fine job. The farm trip: Kate was being stupid, couldn't handle the kids even with a helper/nanny. She complained about everything. I see how she had to keep the camera on her. What the matter Kate too lazy to walk? And every chance she got to complain and indirectly blame Jon for the show ending, she did. How many times she say that? That last speech at the end was so sicking and pathetic, what a bunch of crap, I had to leave the room. I'm sure the Sheeples will be having a memorial service for Kate, hey Sheeples don't forget Kate wants the donations.

Minka's tail said...

You know what's interesting? Most of Kate's complaints are about Jon not doing something properly: he took the kids out when he should have left them in the house, he doesn't take them out to any good places (she contradicted herself here, about 5 minutes apart), he didn't take a "shift in responsibility."

Never once has she said anything like "I loved him. He was a family, and he cheated on me. He went out and slept with another woman when we were supposed to be the model couple."

This convinces me that they were legally separated when he started partying. She cries and makes herself the victim--but a victim of not having enough housework help, not a victim of adultery. I don't think this has computed with the sheeple. A normal person would be crying over being cheated on, not the nonsense she complains about.

TPoV said...

A few things:
1) I highly doubt that Cara and Mady have NO CLUE that Jon and Hailey are/were dating
2) Found it interesting that for the first time the name Hailey was brought up
3) Kate said that Jon doesn't take them out much or do anything fun with them, which she would like him to do. She later says that she wish he would just stay at home with them
4) I also question Jon's motives when not bringing Cara and Mady to the lemonade stand. It was simply normal behavior for kids of that age
5) I am sure Kate forced the kids to wear cowboy boots: no wonder their feet hurt!
CARA, MADY, ALEXIS, HANNAH, AADEN, COLLIN, LEAH AND JOEL: I WILL GREATLY MISS YOU!

Canadian Mom said...

I feel sorry for the nanny. She has to deal with that behaviour MOST of the time.

Hey Kate, get a nanny who knows how to DISCIPLINE EFFECTIVELY!

This last show certainly didn't do them any favors..if I was a producer/director and saw this shit show tonite I'd NEVER book them for anything ever again.

someone smack her..now said...

Jon had a snippy interchange with the twins that didn't need to be aired. But I can see how he'd be frustrated that the twins said they prefer to film the (bigger! showier!) stuff they do with Kate, even if they have to be with Kate. He overreacted and TLC made sure to leave that in. Besides that, I thought he did fine. His couch interviews were introspective and he appears to want to make things better for himself and the kids. And he did not say one bad thing about Kate. In fact, he said he wants to be friends with her. Kate on the other hand, only said negative things about Jon. Not one compliment besides saying that the kids love him. She DID say she tries to stay neutral and never says disparaging things about him. Then she goes on to say disparaging things about him. She must have said the show has been taken too soon from her and the kids no fewer than five times, maybe as many as ten. And shades of Disney as she takes the kitten all the kids want and holds it to her huge knockers, too high for the kids to reach, as they jump up and down and melt down at her feet. Such a bitch.

Canadian Mom said...

Those kids were STARVING! No wonder they drank all that milk!

Snap! said...

I was so happy to watch this episode- Why? It is finally over.
Do you think these kids will be in the tabloids in 10 yrs......stay tuned!

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"Gotta tell you, I thought I would be more sentimental about this ending. I remember before I found this blog in June of 2008 saying to my husband how sad it would be when the show ended because I'd become so invested in this family. Even after seeing the truth I thought they'd at least have a moving 5 minutes at the end that would make me tear up (not that impressive I tear up at commercials), but no, nothing."

Exactly; that's what I expected. Instead of leaving sad, I left disgusted, vowing to never watch TLC again.

Too bad, TLC; you WERE my favorite channel. Oh well.

ruthy said...

The only thing I "got" from this show is that Jon is still their father.

She says that over and over and over......

It could be a drinking game!

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"She does not buy MILK for her kids because it is expensive.These parents are buying pedicures,hair appointments,clothes,cars,cigaretts,booze,travelling all over the place,Jon was just on a vacation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yet they do not regularly buy MILK for their kids."

No wonder they drink apple juice all the time. Did you see them drinking that milk like they might never see milk again? Too expensive? Then buy nonorganic milk. My brother and I would each go through a gallon a day growing up. These poor kids.

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