A Look at Reality TV Filming and Kids

This came in to us as a comment yesterday. We decided we wanted to make it a post.

Thank you, N.E. Psychologist, for submitting the link.

Now, this post comes with a disclaimer of sorts. We DO NOT want a post about Octomom, but there is plenty in the article about the filming of her kids to give an idea of what the Gosselin children went through. Radar Online and their paparazzi is also mentioned. Let's keep the discussion to the filming aspect, the tabloid aspect, and Gosselin related. If the post turns into an Octomom discussion, I will have to close it.

98 comments:

Chris said...

One huge advantage the Suleman kids have over the Gosselin kids is that they are being filmed in California. They do have the required welfare worker on the set making sure that their day is limited and that they are not being filmed over hours.

I still think that it's not a pretty picture to be filmed in yourown home, no matter how limited the time.

Jane in California said...

I agree with Chris -- at least the filming is being done in California, and there are laws limiting the amount of filming hours. It also sounds like for now, this was a one time deal, for a lot of money. Maybe this same film crew will come back again, for an annual special. If that's the case, it would be minimally intrusive into the children's lives.

It was very interesting to read the comments from the papparazzo Michell, talking about Radar Online and the cozy "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" relationship that goes on between sites like that and papparazzi. Disgusting.

It's still very sad that people are allowed, or encouraged in this day and age, to exploit their children via reality tv. I just wish there were federal laws in place that strictly controlled such things, since it seems they can't be stopped altogether.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Gosselins were insane to have allowed that invasion of privacy in those children's lives.

Khate clearly took the low road in preparing her children for life. I'd love to be a fly on the wall a decade from now.

anotherPAmom said...

Really interesting and well written article- thanks for posting this! Found it very interesting when the paparazzi were complaining about the British film crew and said, "Why aren't you like Radar (online), Radar makes deals with us!" Guess that's how all those "random" "p-people" shots just magically appear when Kate is out and about. I wish the best for both the Gosselin and Suleman kids.

dustilies said...

The article really highlighted the way a camera crew and producer with their own agenda alter the family dynamics. Who is in charge, kids have to wonder. And they shouldn't have to--in a two parent family it should be mom and dad equally.

I think the extra stress of dealing with the production crew's needs and demands made the Gosselin household a pretty miserable place to be. In J and K's case, I really see TLC messing with their already fraying marriage--egging Kate on, allowing her to berate and belittle him on camera. We know the kids watched their own show from an early age, so they got the message loud and clear that Mommy is in charge and Daddy is helpless, except for potshots. Ugh!

I really wonder about the adult G's intelligence--why couldn't they see what was happening and either subvert TLC's game or get counseling about what ever true issues the show was bringing to light.

Sorry, I'm in a really cranky mood--still have a huge mess to clean up after weekend guests. Ah, but they didn't find my secret chocolate-pie leftover hiding place . . . excuse me while I find a fork and the whipped cream!

Megan said...

Disturbing on so many levels. This article only described a limited shoot and it seemed both miserable and bizarre.

...and the Gosselins had this going on in their home 4 days a week!!?!?!?!

dustilies said...

Apologies--I was very disrespectful of all the gay and lesbian couples who are parents in my last post when I wrote that "in a two parent family it should be mom and dad [in charge] equally.

I really do no better--so let me try again: in a two parent family, both parents should be equally authoritative, equally looked up to by the children.

Moo said...

At least this is a once in a while affair.

I don't see the harm in the OCCASIONAL/yearly filming- the family gets some cash and then can go abck to normal life.

I understand why Jodi and Kevin were trying to get them to stop filming.

Bucky said...

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...
Gosselins were insane to have allowed that invasion of privacy in those children's lives.
Khate clearly took the low road in preparing her children for life. I'd love to be a fly on the wall a decade from now.
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THey choose fame and money over their kids.

No need to wait 10 yrs- 8 angry, cranky teens demanding everything on a golden platter.

Mary said...

Lucky for the Suleman kids, the filming and money/payment will be done according to californian child laws.

GoPoshGo said...

Okay, I have to admit I'm posting even before I finished reading the article. I got tripped up on the first page, when I read that RadarOnline is "owned in part by American Media, which also publishes National Enquirer and Star magazine." FINALLY an explanation for the blatant bias, lack-of-fact-checking, general sleaziness, poor spelling, and overall unprofessional reporting. I always suspected the site was pure trash, but now that I see its connection to the National Enquirer, I have confirmation of what a sleeze-fest it truly is. I will sleep better tonight knowing in what box I can file RadarOnline (yes, that would be my trash can).

Hmmmm.... Funny, and ironic, how the Sheeple flock to ROL, isn't it?

tiredgirl622 said...

This article reminded me of one of the creepiest moments on Jon and Kate plus 8 - I think they had already moved to their new, big house and they were back at the old house cleaning up. They had an electrician in who was removing these enormous fluorescent lights from many of the rooms' ceilings. These lights notoriously give off the most harsh light imaginable. That alone would have been enough for most parents to say no, I don't this is a good idea for my small children.

Just thinking about life at home - it's often tough, especially with little ones. Now picture a small, suburban house with the added stress of lights, cameras, strangers. What a bizarre notion.

GoPoshGo said...

A moment of maternal bonding that we've never seen on J&K+8:

"She [Octomom] began to sing 'Itsy Bitsy Spider,' and suddenly, silence. One by one, the babies left off crying and looked up at her, transfixed, with total adoration. Mama!"

How sad that none of the Gosselin children seem to truly adore their mother, nor do they seem particularly attached to her. Granted, we don't see every waking moment of their lives on a 1/2-hour weekly show. BUT, the Octomom's crew managed to capture this very sweet connection between mom and babies after filming just one "special." After five seasons of the show, I don't think TLC managed to catch anything that comes close to this moment. So very sad for the Gosselin kids.

Bad Parents said...

I still think Jon and Kate were crazy to allow the private things to be filmed with the kids. The kids sitting on the toilet, with just camera people present? Displaying full frontal nudity of the girls while bathing? WHY did we need to see all that for a good show? I seriously doubt all that would have happend if the G kids lived in CA like the Octo clan.

Jon and Kate are both idiots just give them a couple years and we'll hear about them filing bankruptcy and needing public assistance.

she is evil said...

Lordy be. Sounds like absolute hell to have a film crew in your home. The Gosselins did this willingly 4 days a week, year round? Forty episodes a frickin season? More than one season per year? Yipes. How greedy and messed up must Kate be to want this to continue? Interesting how unhappy the Suleman kids were to be filmed...this might explain Kate's iron fisted bitchiness; her kids were too afraid to express their displeasure with filming. For all her nuttiness, Nadya Suleman strikes me as a loving, involved mother. Who knows what her motives were to have 14 kids, but at least she's walking the walk and trying to be a good mom. Kate Gosselin never struck me as a loving mother; less so now that she thinks she's going to be a star in her own right. Despite the money the Gosselins made with their show, it sounds like it could not have possibly been worth the intrusion for anyone but Kate. There is something wrong with her to want filming to continue. Does she even realize that Nadya Suleman is a more sincere, loving mother and may very well be more stable and sane than she is?

MickeyMcKean said...

Megan said...
Disturbing on so many levels. This article only described a limited shoot and it seemed both miserable and bizarre.

...and the Gosselins had this going on in their home 4 days a week!!?!?!?!

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ITA and want to add that the Gosselins signed a contract for season 5 which was to include 40 episodes but only 12(?) episodes were filmed before Jon pulled the plug.

Anyway, add the fact that Kate had no intention of ever stopping the filming ... and no doubt hopes she can start up again in 2010 after TLC puts the squeeze on Jon ...

I really don't care what people say about Jon, he is the one who pulled the plug and now after reading this article I really wonder what all happened on the set, aka their home, that we will never really know.

The Free Lunch Blogger said...

"The choreography of so much naturalness was time-consuming. "


This quote from the article pretty much says it all.

Curious said...

I wonder if there is going to be a problem for TLC from states where they filmed the kids, but did not have proper permits etc.

They filmed in California several times, I wonder if they had the proper welfare workers when they were there.

My guess is no.

2exhausted2name said...

GoPoshGo said...
Okay, I have to admit I'm posting even before I finished reading the article. I got tripped up on the first page, when I read that RadarOnline is "owned in part by American Media, which also publishes National Enquirer and Star magazine." FINALLY an explanation for the blatant bias, lack-of-fact-checking, general sleaziness, poor spelling, and overall unprofessional reporting.

When you add in popular belief that if it appears in at least two separate "magazines", or is reported on TV, it must be true. Because one magazine or TV show could lie, but not two, or three, or more (I'm being sarcastic here).

Then you get this type of umbrella media where one supposition is distributed amongst several tabloids and related programming, and it creates a fact. Which is then reported as such on main stream media and accepted by the masses.

Just think of all the tabloid stories about the Gosselins that were planted to make Kate look good and Jon like a lying, cheating douchebag*. And then think about those eight children whose future could possibly be determined because of that kind of press. It's frightening.

The same could also be said for Kate BUT there's also years of TLC footage that back up almost all the claims. The only thing I've seen printed that could be a lie is her supposed affair with the bodyguard. And considering how that was quickly swept under the rug by running another 'Jon has another new girlfriend' story it makes you go hmmm...

It truly comes across as a classic diversionary tactic. Wave Jon's behaviour out there for the masses to devour and Kate skates by while everyone is looking at Jon. I would so love to see a huge spotlight shone on HER behaviour of the past two years and see how well it lives up to the scrutiny she, TLC and American Media have placed on Jon's life.

*I'm not saying Jon isn't a douchebag, he's clearly exhibited douchey behaviour. It just makes me wonder how much of his behaviour was real and how much was manufactured by the first reporting magazine.

To finally get to the topic at hand (sorry mods!), the article really demonstrated how even a documentary type crew - ones who truly want to capture fly-on-the-wall goings-on - can interfere in what should be unaffected daily life. When you think of the scripted reality TLC manufactures you KNOW they manipulated situations, re-filmed 'scenes' to get better angles or reactions, and did their best to amp things up for dramatic effect. Kate must have been a dream come true for them.

The article also states while they film only for a few minutes it may have taken hours to prepare. So TLC's claim they only filmed a couple hours a day implies that they were in fact there all day setting up for those few short hours.

Also, the reactions of the Suleman children to the cameramen were telling, and makes me wonder how the Gosselin kids truly reacted to being filmed especially as they got older and started to understand what it meant to have the cameras following them around.

I can also see what Kate meant when she said the kids missed the cameras. I'm willing to bet the kids could care less about the cameras, but rather missed the crew and all those people giving them the undivided attention they crave. It's obvious the cameramen can and do form attachments to their subjects, and vice versa. And for the Gosselin children it's just one more set of people who disappeared from their lives.

Minka's Tail said...

I have a question maybe someone can answer. I didn't find this site until March, so I missed some of the earlier discussions. It's obvious from this story how "fake" a reality show is, and how it is not just following people unobtrusively, as you are supposed to believe.

What are some examples of the most blatant fakery on J and K? This is what I've read previously:

*Kids being told to run to the school bus again and again or run off the school bus with more energy

*Having to go to the zoo twice because they missed a shot

*Our happy couple having to put on their clothes from the day before and kiss in the kitchen

*Pretending they lived in the medium-sized
house for months after they moved to the mansion

*Jon being told to either shave his beard now or keep it all year for "continuity" That alone suggests there were a lot of retakes.

*The PA's thinking up plots for the show and traditions that didn't exist, like playing duck, duck goose or caroling.

Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was? I know there is that famous example where J and K may have put one over on the crew by pretending to still be married when they were separated. Any others?

For the Moment? said...

I found it interesting that the places the kids for filming have to pay a high fee for the opportunity to be on the show. So I guess we can assume that ToysRus also paid a fee, the restaurants, Target, etc. even if she didn't take all the kids but was filmed maybe even going in and out of an establishment...Kinko's, the spas, the gym, the special day places, Disney World, Utah, the cupcake place, the balloon ride. No wonder the childen were uprooted and taken to all of those places that they will not even remember when they are old enough to appreciate the experience. What a fluke.

CT Mom of 2 said...

So depressing. It just shows that "reality" TV is anything-but-real (which has always been plain as day to me).

The mere fact that cameras and producers are there, period, changes the reality, in itself. Add to that the fact that they're producing a weekly show that has story-arcs and themes and corporate sponsorship - well, reality goes straight out the window.

"Real" documentary directors try to be as unobtrusive as possible. If anyone is interested, Netflix the documentary "My Kid Could Paint That" - about a child prodigy in the art-world - it's quite interesting and features a father who, while not (initially) as despicable as Khate, has his own issues. It's very sensitively done, and the director himself talks (in the movie) about how his mere presence has affected "reality."

Vanessa said...

They say a picture is worth a thousand words? That photo of the huge tripod camera on top of the kitchen counter speaks volumes.
What kind of life did those Gosselin children have with all the commotion that comes with having a tv "crew" basically living with you? I BELIEVE Khate when she says the kids loved the camera guys and everyone else that was involved in perversely taping their "unscripted" lives. They were like surrogate parents.

Back to the article, it sounds so tortuous(is that a word?)the
amount of time and cajoling/coaxing
it took to get one shot. The crew was exhausted by 7pm? WTF?
Can you imagine the exhaustion those Gosselin kids have had to endure?
Really can't wait for an article about "Behind the Scenes" in Gosselin Land.

Amy said...

Jon and Kate are both idiots just give them a couple years and we'll hear about them filing bankruptcy and needing public assistance.
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This is a real possibility. I hope that despite all their hate for each other that they had a plan and budget set out.

The maintainance, taxes, heating must be high.
Add in security and nannies.
Then gas for vehicles.

Moo said...

For all her nuttiness, Nadya Suleman strikes me as a loving, involved mother. Who knows what her motives were to have 14 kids, but at least she's walking the walk and trying to be a good mom.
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Exactly- the tv show is really her only way to support them and at least it is once in awhile with proper child welfare supervision.

Becky said...

ITA and want to add that the Gosselins signed a contract for season 5 which was to include 40 episodes but only 12(?) episodes were filmed before Jon pulled the plug.
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And those episodes were so weak and boring. They were truly over exposed, and had run out of steam.

Becky said...

Anyway, add the fact that Kate had no intention of ever stopping the filming ... and no doubt hopes she can start up again in 2010 after TLC puts the squeeze on Jon ...
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If Jon didn't pull the plug, how long would this have gone on.
My guess is until Kate got her big TV break.

LOL said...

Does she even realize that Nadya Suleman is a more sincere, loving mother and may very well be more stable and sane than she is?
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Yup. And we don't hear her taking about grand plans for to be on tv, do movies or cartoon voice overs.

N.E. Psychologist said...

Thanks Fostersmom.
I submitted the link for exactly the reasons you described. I was so stunned when I finished reading the article that I couldn’t add a coherent comment.

lifeoriley said...

Re: Free Lunch Blogger
I agree. That quote sums it up--there is no "natural" when it comes to these type of "reality" shows. The mere presence of cameras and the knowlege that they are being filmed affects the way people behave.
The Gosselins had studio lighting installed in the old house--imagine waking up to that in the morning. I can't imagine what it must be like to be asleep and wake up to see a camera crew in your face! Cara and Mady had posted a sign in one episode "cameras keep out" on a door so that they could have privacy.
Kate always compained about how "small" the old house was--maybe that had something to do with the production crew being there?
Also, in one of the old episodes--Kate talks about the crew installing special cameras in the tups bedroom to see "who was really taking a nap" and they showed a clip of some of the tups getting up and playing during their naptime. I guess they nixed that idea as the clip was pretty boring--but to actually film your kids even when they're sleeping shows how low Kate and TLC will go (in addition to the potty and bath shots).
Also, it always bothered me that the camera would focus in on the kid's butts sometimes, particularly if they were having wardrobe issues (or in the case of Collin and Hanna? pooping issues).
I don't care how much money you would pay me--NO WAY would I ever do that to my children.

Barb said...

This is my first, and probably last post at this blog, although I'm a long-time reader. What broke my heart in the article was this quote from a 6-year-old on page 2: “Stop taping me! Why are you always taping?”

I imagine there were many times early on when Mady and/or Cara would say the same thing. And they all finally got so used to having camera crew around that it became the norm. Who among us could possibly imagine living in a home with studio lighting installed on the ceilings, cameramen to watch us pee, poop, vomit, change our clothes, or have a meltdown?? What has our voyeuristic TV culture done to these children?

If no one wanted to vicariously experience Kate's life (or Octomom's), there would be no incentive for television shows to pay these families what is essentially a multi-million dollar income to film them.

I'm ashamed that I ever thought to watch J&K in the early days; ashamed that I unwittingly helped promote their use and abuse of their children as sources of income.

I hope that we, as a society, can stand up and say "Enough!" about these 'reality' shows that encourage families to prostitute themselves & their children for money. However, knowing that some women are so enamored of Kate that they will mimic her hair, I'm not optimistic at all that this will ever happen.

CT Mom of 2 said...

Vanessa said:

"it sounds so tortuous(is that a word?)the
amount of time and cajoling/coaxing
it took to get one shot. The crew was exhausted by 7pm? WTF?
Can you imagine the exhaustion those Gosselin kids have had to endure?"

Yes... I'm imagining our annual holiday card photo-shoot (just us at home) or the annual outing to the mall to have pictures taken with the Easter Bunny at the mall.... it brings out the stage-mother in all of us! Taking the attitude of that isolated incident and expanding it across someone's entire childhood is child-abuse IMHO.

Brummygirl said...

from the article:

......"are testament to the ferocity and desperation driving those who would join this mythoscape of reality kings and queens.)"
Does not that sum up Kate exactly?
Both mothers have the same attitude that they would not be able to support their families without filming. Then do not have invitro! There are many, many large families in the world who do not expect outside help and just because they do not have the children all at once, does not negate the same financial stress, they deal with it and do not expect to be *stars* in the making.
The article summed up exactly what I though reality t.v. was. If the older children after one special, were upset at cameras in their faces, we can understand just what Mady and Cara have experienced in five seasons.
Kate and also Jon, have done irreparable damage to their children and as the saying goes "it will all come out in the wash".
As far as tabloid "scratching each other's backs" is concerned, it is no surprise and the "Terminal Losers Channel" and "Reprehensible Overthetop Liars" are just part and parcel of that.
I found the article to be really disturbing and whether she was a more caring mother than Kate or was filmed for only a short period of time is not relative, it is all exploitation.

rural mom said...

This article shines light on what the Gosselin toddlers went through when the cameras first appeared. Can you imagine how many times they were asked to pose, sit still, mug for the camera, repeat words, stage spontaneous events to capture these on film, everything they did was critised in terms of does this make good footage. A kid can't help but adjust their behaviour to accomodate the camera and crew. Kate Gosselin should rot in hell for what she did to these children.

AnneMarie said...

Hawthorne effect, and that's all that needs said.

I blame the writer's strike on the dumptruck load of pathetic "reality" style tv shows out there.

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

Minka's Tail said...
What are some examples of the most blatant fakery on J and K? This is what I've read previously:
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Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was? I know there is that famous example where J and K may have put one over on the crew by pretending to still be married when they were separated. Any others?
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Are you talking about the vow renewal ceremony in Hawaii? If you are referring to this, I don't think they were trying to put one over on the crew, just the viewers.
I can't think offhand of anything more fake than that sham of a ceremony.

Susan said...

I agree with rural mom; and you have to wonder just how much of their current behaviour - much of it highly un-cute - can be attributed to the constraints of living a life in front of a camera lens.

Hello People!!! said...

I can't get the link to work... can some post an website address? Thanks!

Geema said...

Really thought provoking article. I find it reassuring that the octo babies will be spared (at least for now) constant day to day filming, unlike the Gosselin eight. I really get why these families felt compelled to initially film their stories. I hope Octomom will be careful regarding future filming and not make her children into a public spectacle.

As far as the Gosselin's childhoods go, I hope they stopped in time for these kids to return to a life that resembles a "normal" childhood. Even the fact that these kids have never waited in a line at an amusement park is just so not normal. I've been on the earth a long time and I have never met a Globetrotter, sat in box seats at a Phillies game or met the Jonas brothers. The fact that at eight and five years old, all of these things and more have happened to the Gosselin kids would certainly give them a false sense of how things work in the REAL world.

MickeyMcKean said...

Barb said...
"I'm ashamed that I ever thought to watch J&K in the early days; ashamed that I unwittingly helped promote their use and abuse of their children as sources of income."

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Since the show is now officially over, this past week I have been viewing for the first time some episodes from Season 4 and 5 on YouTube that have been discussed on this blog.

I viewed these episodes with mixed feelings because I know I also unwittingly promoted the exploitation of these children by being a dedicated fan in the beginning.

Hindsight being what it is, in particular there is a clip that I find really disturbing. It is of Alexis standing with her brothers and sisters at the windowsill at the old house waiting for the twins to come home and she is looking directly into the camera. Today when I see this innocent face I see her as a "victim" who is scarred of the huge camera in her face and yet not knowing what to do about it. I kid you not, IMO it is like she is frozen in the spot she is standing.

I know there is nothing she can do about this invasion of privacy, she is what, age 3? Her parents allowed this to happen to her and their thinking is that she better get used to it as being "normal".

The children did of course adjust to the cameras, crews and equipment, and now with this article, I wonder what all happened with the camera crews there in their home that the viewing public will never ever know about.

TLC calls this entertainment and wants to continue to film the Gosselin children. In order to do so TLC is prepared to financially destroy the father of these kids because he pulled the plug. The truly sad part is that TLC is doing so with Kate's blessing. This whole situation is sick and yet I hope this case will provoke new legislation to protect all children in reality TV shows in the future, not just the ones that are filmed in California.

golden bear said...

Free Lunch Bloger said:
"The choreography of so much naturalness was time-consuming. "


This quote from the article pretty much says it all.

Agreed.

The scene with the mom on the floor with eight crying babies, it reminds me of posing for a Christmas card picture. Sure you want to capture the moment. You put up with it once a year, maybe, but so stressful. And the Gosselins let filming go on how many days a year? No wonder they are divorcing. Yes they should have had a welfare worker on the set.

The other interesting point made in the article was the opinion that people like to watch tragedy. I watched Gosselins because i thought they were not a tragedy. I like big families, i thought how interesting and maybe even fun. But when it started turning into a tragedy i stopped watching. Also Suleman seemed to be a tragedy and i had and have no interest in watching her story. I did watch Little People/Big World and i found them anything but tragic. Also I thought that it would help me feel more comfortable around little people and remind me to view them for who they are and not their medical condition. Just a thought

fostersmom said...

Here's the address...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/magazine/15octomom-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1


I'm not sure what's going on with the link. I've clicked on it twice and didn't have to register, but two other times it told me I had to register.

Mystical said...

GEEMA, exactly right, for all that you said. Those Gosselin kids must feel so entitled, and their spoiled ways are clearly evident in the last few shows. It's awful. There's no doubt that Kate's "mothering" habits have also had a huge impact on the kids' bratty behaviors. And, just look how Mady disrespected Jon in the season finale'. It's hideous how she is emulating Kate, and it will only get worse when the abrasive treatment of Jon comes from some of the rest of the kids. When the girls start dating, some will treat their partners/boyfriends just as bad.

HW said...

Minka's tail said:
Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was? I know there is that famous example where J and K may have put one over on the crew by pretending to still be married when they were separated. Any others?
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In the episode where Kate took the boys to the ranch, as she is getting the boys out of the van, she quietly says, "What are you supposed to say?" And then one of the boys says "Howdy Partner" and then quietly says "I said it."

I'm sure there are many more, but your list is a really good one.

Big Wooden Spoon said...

MickeyMcKean said...

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TLC calls this entertainment and wants to continue to film the Gosselin children. In order to do so TLC is prepared to financially destroy the father of these kids because he pulled the plug. The truly sad part is that TLC is doing so with Kate's blessing. This whole situation is sick and yet I hope this case will provoke new legislation to protect all children in reality TV shows in the future, not just the ones that are filmed in California.
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I just had an idea: what if everyone who reads this blog sent $1 to A Minor Consideration? I know money is tight nowadays, but a dollar isn't much. If we all sent a dollar, it would add up to (I'm guessing) hundreds! We might be able to do A LOT of good.

I'm going to do that as soon as I finish reading here. Anybody else???

Bingy's blog said...

why did they have to have cameramen anyway? They have all kinds of small, hidden cameras you could've just put on shelves and walls. Not that even that is ok by any means. All of it is an atrocity. Remember how alarmed we all were by the Truman Show? It looks like TLC used the Truman show as a guide book.

organizedblogroll said...

Isn't it time for American's to begin to reject this cheap-a*s form of entertainment?

Geri said...

Minka's Tail said...

What are some examples of the most blatant fakery on J and K?

*****

On Kate's last birthday episode, the tups were given lines to say for candy.

Leah says to the other tups "We tell mommy there's a bus outside and then she'll give us a piece of candy"

TandLMommy28 said...

I just donated $2 to A Minor Consideration - $1 for each of my children. I know it's small but at least now I feel like I did SOMETHING.

she is evil said...

Blatant fakery: Kate pretending Jon was the bad guy in this whole divorce thing on those couch interviews. It just makes my blood boil what that man suffered thru with her and yet she and TLC cannot treat him with the least bit of decency.

goawayfools said...

Nadya Suleman, while not perfect, at least loves her kids. Maybe this is what pisses people off about Kate so much... that we really aren't sure if she loves her kids. She says all the right things, but why does she behave with such detachment towards her kids? She's been given a free pass for so long because she had so many kids, but why? Just because you're overwhelmed doesn't mean you can't hold or bathe or comfort your kids. It doesn't give you a free pass to be an asshole to your husband. And it doesn't entitle you to spoil yourself to the exclusion of your family.

Ohio Buckeye said...

It's unfortunate that we are unable to rely upon the right combination of ethics and common sense of ALL who seek fertility treatments. My guess is most people are responsible in their decision-making in this issue, and more power to them. But there are inevitably some who will use any given system to create for themselves, their children, and the tax payer, an untenable and unfair burden. Not usually one wanting to legislate all matters at hand, at this fertility treatment juncture, I'm thinking perhaps it's time to consider closer oversight of the fertility industry.

Sadly, to some, the refusal to selectively abort is seen as the ultimate badge of morality. Seems a moral oversimplication to simply refuse to fully face the possible ramification of bringing more children into the world than one can effectively parent and financially support. Just my opinion and all readers are entitled to their own take on this heavy issue.

In a perfect world, of course, we could count on all parents being above exploiting their own children for fame and fortune. In that perfect world, no child would ever be neglected, abused, unloved, resented. But last time I peaked, ours is far from a perfect world, and one symptom of its imperfection is parents who make irresponsible fertility decisions and THEN follow up with an even WORSE choice by using their children as income providers. The final crescendo of The Fertility Treatment Run Amok Song is, we've learned, that a) stealing a child's privacy and childhood is not exploitive and b) the resultant income from life in the lights is necessary to support said children.

Perhaps, just perhaps, a) and b) should've been more carefully considered BEFORE the fertility treatment decisions were made.

see part 2

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

What kind of contract must the TLC Gosselin crews have signed for their silence?

I find it hard to believe that no one has "disclosed" any of the nuances of working there. It has to have been most unpleasant at times! I wish the walls had ears... (and gossip to share).

Ohio Buckeye said...

Kate Gosselin's usual pretzel logic extended into this arena when she stated that, since 'society' has fostered fertility science, it also now bears the responsibility to provide government assistance whenever parents have consciously risked creating a negative balance between the number of offspring brought into the world vs. their ability to parent and support this many children. So much easier to make risky choices when you simply assume everyone else is responsible for helping shoulder your self-induced burden.

I fear we have not yet witnessed the full brunt of thee fertility treatments run amok scenarios. Relatively speaking, little children have little problems, while big children face bigger, more serious issues. The Gosselins and "Octettes" are small children at this point. According to the Kate-O-Meter of Responsibilities, all of us bear the responsibility to continue to pity and help her all along the way as she faces the potentially devastating consequences of what she has done to her own children's childhood. We've all seen Kate's over the top unrealistic expectations (demands) of her spouse and children. Can we be so naive as to expect her expectations to be any more reasonable than she's already shown us?

No, ad infinitum, the whining and demands and MOST assuredly the BLAME will continue to be hurled in every direction but her own. Kate views herself as a moral superior, who bravely defied ecomic, emotional, and logistical reality. She would have us all believe it was simply her incredibly high ethics that 'forced' her fertility tx decisions, and she is but a victim of her own ethics. She, therefore, feels ENTITLED to the benefits of the attention, $, and yes, pity, while she smugly sits smugly (in her acred mansion), ABOVE the responsibility for CREATING her own situation.

Moo said...

Geri said...
Minka's Tail said...
What are some examples of the most blatant fakery on J and K?
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On Kate's last birthday episode, the tups were given lines to say for candy. Leah says to the other tups "We tell mommy there's a bus outside and then she'll give us a piece of candy"

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It was so obvious. I cant believe they did not edit it out.

When J and K are telling the kids about the new house ( around the table eating soupS)it is obvious that there was some rehersal. In fact you can see Maddy pretend to think , glance at the camera and then say her piece.

silimom said...

I found this on CNN today. It talks about the phenomenon that is Reality TV today and does mention the Gosselins. I thought it was pretty interesting. I do have to say, it does look like the mainstream media is starting to have its fill of RTV. At least I hope so.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/OPINION/11/29/bark.reality.tv.gatecrashers/index.html

Sidney said...

It was interesting to read that Nadya seems to be distracted when her kids cry. It is hard for her to concentrate on the crew when she feels her little kids are needing her attention.

Remember the time the professional organizers came to help Kate organize her basement. The Gosselin kids were screaming bloody murder and if Kate heard it, she didn't show it.

Can't See Sheep said...

2exhausted2name said...
It truly comes across as a classic diversionary tactic. Wave Jon's behaviour out there for the masses to devour and Kate skates by while everyone is looking at Jon. I would so love to see a huge spotlight shone on HER behaviour of the past two years and see how well it lives up to the scrutiny she, TLC and American Media have placed on Jon's life.
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I agree with, I bet we would find out some very interesting things & I bet what she was up to could easily keep up with what Jon got up to. There's a reason it's been kept so quiet & I doubt it's because kate's a saint & hasn't done a thing. You always need to watch out when things are quiet, makes sense.

It's terrible thinking what the Gosselin children must have went through during all that filming. Just when I think I can't loath kate's existence in any greater capacity I find myself proven wrong & taken to a whole new plateau of despising her. hope kate realizes she's going to be rotting in hell for what she's done to her children. There's a new curse term now, thanks to her, it would be far more insulting to be called a kate gosselin then to be called a cow, a pig, or even a bitch, those terms seem mild in comparison to being called a kate gosselin. Just think of all that infers about a person, especially a woman & a mother to call them that.

Can't See Sheep said...

Becky said...

Anyway, add the fact that Kate had no intention of ever stopping the filming ... and no doubt hopes she can start up again in 2010 after TLC puts the squeeze on Jon ...
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If Jon didn't pull the plug, how long would this have gone on.
My guess is until Kate got her big TV break.
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Until they were all in nursing homes on oxygen. To not recognize that the episodes had already become boring just shows how far away from reality kate is. I mean jeez, thinking we'd all just watch as long as they wanted to do this & that it would never get dull or boring. I can see it all now, tups driving lessons, tups go to college, tups get married, tups wedding night all the way along to kate's funeral. These people are sick, everything has a sales tag with these people, they'll sell it all for the right price.

organizedblogroll said...

Isn't it time for American's to begin to reject this cheap-a*s form of entertainment?
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I think it's time for the world to reject it.

Can't See Sheep said...

goawayfools said...

Nadya Suleman, while not perfect, at least loves her kids. Maybe this is what pisses people off about Kate so much... that we really aren't sure if she loves her kids.
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For myself, I am pretty certain she doesn't lover her children, not after what she's so happily done & wants to continue to do to them. I have no doubts about this. The only one kate is interested in is kate & that isn't going to change. Again, as far as I'm concerned she's not mentally fit to raise any children, she will continue to make bad decisions for them, they'll have to grow up quick & learn to make their own decisions to save themselves from her.

my9cats said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

Excellent. ITA.
Eloquently put.

Big Wooden Spoon said...

Ohio Buckeye said...
It's unfortunate that we are unable to rely upon the right combination of ethics and common sense of ALL who seek fertility treatments. My guess is most people are responsible *snipped*
Sadly, to some, the refusal to selectively abort is seen as the ultimate badge of morality. Seems a moral oversimplication to simply refuse to fully face the possible ramification of bringing more children into the world than one can effectively parent and financially support. Just my opinion and all readers are entitled to their own take on this heavy issue.

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ITA, and welcome back!

The other factor that these people seem oblivious to -- and this one bothers me the most -- is the health of the babies involved. What right do people have to set these babies up for cerebral palsy, learning disabilities, and other lifelong health problems? If the parents endangered a baby's health to this extent after birth, it would be considered abuse.

JMO

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Ohio Buckeye,
I'm so glad you're back. I've always enjoyed your posts and so I missed you. I don't often comment, but I do read here frequently and will miss a number of GWOPers when this is all over.
I was intrigued by the article on Nadya S. and actually impressed by how she does consider her children's well-being. Ever the cynic, I also wonder how much is due to the extreme scrutiny she is under. If only Jon and Kate had been subject to the same scrutiny we wouldn't have the concern for the 8 Gosselin kids that we do. Still, they are off the air for now and although reality TV has shaped them and their futures, they may now have some private growing time and less stressful days ahead.

DLCF said...

Last line of the NYT article--
"Nobody lives happily ever after, because that is extremely unrealistic."

Sing it, sister. Life happens and sometimes it doesn't happen the way you want it to or think it should, and that's where it all fell down for the Gosselins. They're famous because they cratered in spectacular fashion on television but Kate, ever unrealistic, refuses to accept it and do the right thing for her children... instead she blames, points fingers, and begs for more pity.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

does anyone else find it odd that the NY Times wasted so much time writing such a LONG story about that woman ?

JaxMom said...

Well, for all one can say about Nadya, she does seem to love and care about her kids. Limiting filming to 11 days...with only an hour per day for the babies... seems reasonable. If J&K had done such a thing (and earned a similar amount), they could have paid off the E-town house, been able to afford some help, and lived well (not extravagantly, but very comfortably.)

I will be surprised if J&K have $100k left from their filming in three years. Remember, the kids' trust is revokable. :(

Rose said...

What Kate doesn't seem to understand is that it may be important to put your kids through college and provide for them financially, but a decade or two from now (and beyond), she is going to want to have a relationship with her kids, and I just can't imagine her having anything resembling a healthy bond with them after all this. Parenting teenagers is difficult under the absolute BEST of circumstances.

I'm not a mom myself, but I am the youngest of three, and I know that we each gave our parents a very hard time in different ways, at different times - and my mother and father are both excellent parents. Ultimately, my sisters and I have ended up being very close with both of them in our adult lives, and that all is attributed to the way they were with us when we were little. It's not a difficult concept - truly.

My parents do have home movies of us when we were kids, along with PLENTY of stories about certain things we said/did. I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but personally, I get very upset when someone starts in on one of those embarrassing "Remember when you were a kid?" stories. Seriously. I don't just get a little shy and embarrassed. I get angry. I just don't like it, even when it's only among our immediate family. I cannot even fathom what it would feel like to know that my friends, enemies, co-workers, bosses, job interviewers, and any given stranger off the street could log onto their computer and watch humiliating videos of me on youtube. It's unthinkable.

So now, what are the Gosselin children left to deal with? Kate will have her lavish TV career, where she calls all the shots and gets all the attention she craves, but those kids have to live with the fact that their childhoods have been anything but private. That footage will exist forever, and if placed in the wrong hands, it could be more than just embarrassing for the kids - it could present real danger in terms of pedophiles and other creeps around the world.

Yes, Kate, we know that every parent has to go to work, and every parent has a job, but here's the thing: not every parent gets paid thousands of dollars to go on a live interview and reveal private information about their children. Not every parent gets ahead financially by stealing their children's dignity and having the gall to say that it's "all for the kids".

I see how the McCoughey septuplets are now, at the age of 12, seemingly happy and well-adjusted, not living in a constant fishbowl, and I wonder if Kate realizes that her own brood will be that age very, very, very soon. You may get away from making the same foolish mistake over and over for a while, but soon enough, the gravy train just stops...and only then will Kate have time to really look and see what she has done.

?WHY? said...

the article made me sad. i thought about how the gosselins opened this can of worms. or was it tlc? anyway, today we have octomom and the heene family. the stansel saga has gotten a little press, but it is a tragedy. i really do believe in the future we are going to be bombarded with families of multiples. only this time they will have learned from the gosselin mistakes....and will be around forever on our television sets. because bottom line is there will always be an audience for freakish families.

Button Button said...

Rose, your post was so well written. How I wish there were a way to FORCE Jon and Kate to read it.

I certainly agree with you that I don't like to hear stories about the dumb things I did as a kid, and I surely would NOT want the world to see any home movies of when I was a child.

she is evil said...

Regarding the can of worms that Jon and Katan have opened: I work with someone who lives next door to a family where the wife is continually pregnant. They have six kids, the oldest is 9 and she has had 4 miscarriages. The mom stays at home and the dad is a seminary student. They have a modest home andno one is sure how they support themselves. They are nice people, but don't have control over the six they have now. My coworker finds her kids jumping on her trampoline unsupervised, etc. They freely admit that they are shopping themselves around for a reality show, even though they have "only" six. No offense, but they're not special. And she's preggers yet again

jonandkatewho? said...

That article was excellent reading but it bothers me on a level I can't even begin to explain or understand.

Maybe it's partly the indignity of it all, maybe it's the total helplessness of these children to actually make the cameras go away when they clearly do not want to be filmed. How can a film crew or a cameraman just keep on shooting with a little kid crying and screaming, babies hollering or some kid saying "stop"?

The Gosselin kids never stood a chance. I would bet if every single child remarkably found themselves eloquent enough to express how horrified they were by the cameras and said in no uncertain terms that they wanted NO MORE FILMING, it would not have stopped Kate. And this is very contrary to what she states. Not that i ever accused Kate of being truthful.

This was just sad reading. I think some national law needs to be passed to protect kids in every state. I would love to see the ability to use children in reality tv completely abolished so no kid ever has to suffer the fate that these kids will likely face for years. Public humiliation by one's own parents...it's just unspeakable.

Leigh Ann said...

Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was?

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned it, but the Christmas special. To get a Christmas episode to air the week of Christmas itobviously had to be filmed before Christmas. At least a week and maybe a month depending on how far ahead they wanted to shoot. Then they had to sit around and pretend like it really was Christmas. And like we weren't going to figure that out. It might take a minute "... wait a minute, Christmas isn't for five more days ..."

Leigh Ann said...

"That footage will exist forever"

They can forget about running for president!

Momof2 said...

What makes Kate think her kids aren't going to cut her loose like she did to her own parents? Surely her kids have just cause, more so than unmatching cribs.

she is evil said...

Kate's goals include money, fame, freebies and strangely, happy memories ON FILM. She doesn't seem to care if the actual memories were happy, but she's plenty fine with torturing everyone in order to get fake happiness captured on camera. She thanked everyone for the memories on film in the finale; so weird. Most people would settle for regular, old school, genuine happiness. Kate is one odd bird

kidsfirst! said...

not only is the constant filming of young children disturbing, but the Gosselin children were constantly subjected "schilling" products. The only time I ever saw their mom read a book to them was when it was a tie-in to a kid's movie. Disgusting, reprehensible.

Kate = Octomom said...

Suleman doesn't love her children that much. She is just a better actress than Kate. She can fake to be a loving mom on camera.

If you really love your children, you will make sure you give each kid enough attention and your time. You will make sure you can send them to college. Does a woman have 8 more babies after she already gave birth to 6 sound like a mother who gives a damn about giving her kids enough time, attention, and their college education? I don't think so.

kate's a chunky idiot said...

"That footage will last forever"

Not a good thing, Kate, except that it can be used by the defense in a justifiable homicide case.

Can't See Sheep said...

Leigh Ann said...

"That footage will exist forever"

They can forget about running for president!
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Yeah, seeing the president potty trained & his toddler meltdowns would be a bizarre thing indeed. And it would be played over & over by the opposition throughout any campaign in their career.

can't stand her said...

Blatant fakery: Collin saying "God made it, Henry growed it, Mommy cooked it, we ate it" in the painful Farm to Table episode. Kate them chuckles heartily as she liquifies Henry's formerly beautiful organic vegetables and says, "Oh, they say that every time we eat food from Henry's farm". Chuckle chuckle. Oh please. That so sounds like a spontaneous comment from a toddler. And if you went to Henry's farm twice a day (eye roll) then how come the kid still says 'growed'? And how could they be excited about eating anything you've cooked. Good lord, that chicken cacciatore looked like gummy vegetables and I didn't see the kids touch it.

I said stop eating said...

he is evil said...
Kate's goals include money, fame, freebies and strangely, happy memories ON FILM. She doesn't seem to care if the actual memories were happy, but she's plenty fine with torturing everyone in order to get fake happiness captured on camera. She thanked everyone for the memories on film in the finale; so weird. Most people would settle for regular, old school, genuine happiness. Kate is one odd bird
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1.Scream at girls eating strawberries
2. Banish Joel from Kitchen
3. Take a picture around flag cake with girls smiling

Riiight...

13 yrs and counting said...

What makes Kate think her kids aren't going to cut her loose like she did to her own parents? Surely her kids have just cause, more so than unmatching cribs.
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Oh I can totally see this happening.

And if Kate can do the talk show circuit to throw her husband under the bus, do you think she'll do the same to her kids?

Missy said...

I'm surprised Nadya would allow her older children to even be filmed when they so obviously HATE being on camera. Even to the point of physical violence at the camera. Were the Gosselin children that angry too, but we never saw it because it was well hidden by TLC?

BeachMom said...

First time poster, so be gentle with me...

IMO Nadya Suleman is heading down the same slippery slope Jon&Kate fell down. The lure of easy money offered by the networks and the tabloids make it far too easy for these families to sell out their children’s innocence. I would really be interested in what a qualified therapist has to say about what kind of damage is done to a child’s fragile psyche when they are followed around by a camera crew from birth. I can't even begin to imagine the kind of issues that could cause to a child’s forming mind/personality.

As for ROL, I never believe too much of what is written there. It's funny though, the board squatters who have set up house over there treat it like it's the bible of Jon&Kate happenings. Can someone please explain the total hatred they have for the posters here at GWOP????

Huh said...

Kate = Octomom said...
"If you really love your children, you will make sure you give each kid enough attention and your time. You will make sure you can send them to college. Does a woman have 8 more babies after she already gave birth to 6 sound like a mother who gives a damn about giving her kids enough time, attention, and their college education? I don't think so."

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I have to respectfully disagree that parents who don't provide their children with college educations don't love their children. My parents didn't have any money saved for me to go to college. I made due with scholarships, government assistance, student loans, and part-time jobs. I would never think my parents didn't love me or did a bad job as parents because they weren't able to afford a college savings account.

Granted, it's different with the Gosselins because the money they aren't putting away for their children's future were earned on those kids' backs.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Swings and Roundabouts, Big Wooden Spoon, and My Nine Cats: Sorry for the delay in saying THANK YOU for the welcome back. My computer has been down. So, THANK YOU so much - it is really good to be back! Please know I've been reading your comments all along and have really enjoyed them, as always.

Spoon: love your blog name! Re: risking newborn health by refusing to selectively abort: I know this is a hot button issue for some, so and it's nice to know that there is at least one person I've not offended.

I'm an RN that has worked in Labor and Delivery, Post Partum, and Nursery, and whenever I got pulled over for a NICU fill-in assignment, I went home really sad and upset. Watching those tiny little ones having to struggle so very hard for just one breath, living under bright lights, getting stuck multiple times a day (necessary for their overall well being, but sad nonetheless) & knowing that some of those poor little ones were going to face a lifetime of various disabilities, while others would not make it at all- it was absolutely heartwrenching.

I know there are many tough decisions to be made when entering the fertility treatment arena. My heart aches for the many who try hard to make ethical and responsible decisions.

It is frightening to me that with all the current attention and $ for high level multiples (TLC seems to be specializing in glorifying this route), that some people may not fully examine ALL the possible ramifications of their fertility choices, not the least of which is the short AND long term health status of 'litters'. (no disrespect to anyone intended with this term).

I believe TLC's glorification of higher order multiples is irresponsible because, to the very optimistic, the easily-led, the dis-inclined to research all aspects of the issue, the impression is made that opting for a 'litter' is relatively unrisky and generally culminates in a happy, healthy life for all.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Which, with their growing list of 'reality' programming, seems to be part of TLC's Core Values and Mission Statement - the "fartherest from the truth" channel.

As for Nadya S, she seems more intelligent than Kate G, but no more emotionally balanced in her own weird way. God help ALL the S and G children - the lunatics are running their assylum.

Leigh Ann said...

I don't think the Gosselin kids react as badly to cameras as the older Suleman kids. The Gosselin kids first experience like that was with friendly photographers who were welcomed into their home and became part of the family. You can see instances in earlier shows where the kids do enjoy being filmed and interacting with the crew. The Suleman kids first experience was with the paparazzi getting in their face and probably saying stuff to them. So they're going to react negatively to any photographer. As for the eight babies, they were probably just tired. Working with babies is hard on everyone.

NoUse4Kate said...

Kate = Octomom said...

Suleman doesn't love her children that much. She is just a better actress than Kate. She can fake to be a loving mom on camera.



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I totally agree. Nadya is just learning from khates mistakes and trying to come off as the opposite of what KI was. She went into this whole thing for fame and fortune and to whore out her children.

Rose said...

Leigh Ann said...

"The Gosselin kids first experience like that was with friendly photographers who were welcomed into their home and became part of the family. You can see instances in earlier shows where the kids do enjoy being filmed and interacting with the crew."
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I have no doubt that the Gosselin kids have formed close bonds with the crew over the years. These are people who know them by name, see their unique personalities, interact with them, listen to them when they talk, and show genuine interest in what they are saying. From that crew, those children got the kind of attention that Jon and Kate could never bother to provide.

Furthermore, it's obvious why the tups seemed to enjoy being filmed when they were young. We've all seen at least one little kid eagerly jump in front of a camera, make silly faces, and dance around it. It's something new and fascinating, and kids love that. They love having someone focused on them and paying complete attention to them.

Then those same kids get older, and maybe they don't want to be photographed or videotaped. They tend to get more shy or embarrassed over that sort of thing. Trouble is, the Gosselin kids don't have a choice in the matter. The show is over, but Kate is making sure that their family does not avoid the public eye anytime soon. She'll be "writing" books, publishing new photos of the kids, and saying personal things about them on whatever new show she gets.

My point is, they may have liked the cameras and been fascinated by them when they were 3 and 4 years old, but as they continue growing, it's going to become grueling...and it's already pretty much impossible for it to just stop. The Gosselin children are going to be unwilling targets to video cameras for decades to come.

Kat said...

Leigh Ann - "I don't think the Gosselin kids react as badly to cameras as the older Suleman kids."

You have to remember - that is ALL the tups have ever known, and the twins were only 3 when the circus started. Many physically abused children think abuse is the norm, because it's all they know. The Gosselin kids don't reject the cameras as blatantly as the Suleman kids, because they have grown up with cameras in their faces since they can remember.

Kate is probably correct (in a sad way) when she says the kids miss the crew - those people were their friends in the strange world they lived in. They were the surrogates for all those missing aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins, etc. who were dismissed from the family.

she is evil said...

Suleman is nutso, plain and simple. No single person can take care if that many children alone, with 8 of them infants at that. So as well-intentioned as she may be, those kids will suffer neglect simply because there's only one mommy. My kids adored the nanny we employed when they were younger; she was kind, patient, and spoiled them silly, but she still wasn't mom or dad. When she had to leave our family abruptly after Katrina, they barely said a thing. They will speak fondly of her to this day, but the bond they had with her had an appropriate distance compared to that with us. So Nadya does really appear to have a genuine maternal drive, yet try as she may, she can only give so much of herself to each kid. She appears to be trying damn hard, too, but those kids still must have lots of nanny time out of sheer necessity. The one thing the Suleman kids WILL have, unlike the Gosselin kids, is the comfort of knowing their mom tried her hardest and really loved them. No doubt her logic was nuts to begin with, but so was Kate's. And Kate can't even pretend to LIKE her kids convincingly.

she is evil said...

I think the older Gosselin wouldn't dare react negatively to the cameras in any serious fashion because they know they will have hell to pay if they do. Kate is perfectly capable of intimidating those kids subtly ("we'll have fun filming, so be sure to smile and be sweet"), not so subtly ("if you don't behave for the crew and say nice things about me, you will be spanked/grounded/tortured some other way."), and evilly ("you'd better be good for the cameras or the show will be cancelled and we won't be able to eat or travel, and we'll have to change schools and move, and it's all your dad's fault for cheating on me while I took care of you and made money to support you."). Those kids were probably too damn scared to complain.

The Big Wooden Spoon said...

Missy said...
I'm surprised Nadya would allow her older children to even be filmed when they so obviously HATE being on camera. Even to the point of physical violence at the camera. Were the Gosselin children that angry too, but we never saw it because it was well hidden by TLC?

*****

I remember reading awhile ago(on this blog) that when a child wasn't cooperating, he/she would get hauled out of camera range and hit repeatedly. By Sweet Mama Kate, of course. I grew up with a mother who used weapons on children -- you learn early not to object to ANYTHING.

Poor babies.

Karma said...

We tend to think about only the little ones, the 7-12 year olds. What about the 18, 19 year olds that have been exploited by MTV's Real World for the past 20 years. How does MTV get away with providing alcohol to minors then profiting from the filming of their inevitable meltdowns? Yes an 18 year old is technically an adult, but, the law is the law, and if I opened up my house to my sons friends and provided alcohol, I'd be arrested and convicted of enabling under-aged drinking.

There will be a special place in Hell for these producers. Mrs. Goldberg meet Mr. Madoff.

therapist on call said...

Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was?

--in the near-last episode at the organic-milk-is-expensive farm around the corner (possibly also known as the wouldn't-it-be-nice-to-support-local-food-and-the-hard-work-of family-farmers farm), 2of the boys had some amusing by-play with Kate that led to her musings on how boys were obsessed with udders. She fake-shuddered and laughed her ghastly cackling laugh. One of the boys said, "he said those were his [the cow's] privacy but I said they were his milkers!" Cute. The line was cued by Kate, though--you can hear her setting it up before he says it.
Who wouldn't be obsessed with udders? What with Kate's looming breasts and the scarcity of that pricey milk, I'm not surprised.

Brummygirl said...

Ohio Buckeye said:
I'm an RN that has worked in Labor and Delivery, Post Partum, and Nursery,
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O.B., your post really touched me regarding the babies. Thank goodness there are caring people like you willing to do that job. It constantly amazes me that Kate was in the same profession and yet shows no heart.

Alice Blue Gown said...

therapist on call said...
Are there any more examples where it was obvious how "scripted" the show was?
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When Can-Do Kate was putting up the tent, Hannah was trying to say that it was Daddies that put up tents, not Mommies. She was obviously being coached and not doing a good job of it.

When she was grilling the raw chicken she tried to feed to the kids, didn't the kids remark that it was a job daddies do? I can't recall that one for certain.

Charles said...

Who wouldn't be obsessed with udders? What with Kate's looming breasts and the scarcity of that pricey milk, I'm not surprised.
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It is unlikely that these children can connect Kate's big old ugly boobies to milk. Unless children actually remember being breastfed (older than 3 or 4) or have seen babies being breastfed, they are not likely to see any connection.