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Aunty Kim Kim said...

could I possibly be the first one to post today? That's interesting.

I love seeing the children with Jon...it's the only time I see them genuinely SMILE!

With Kate all they seem to do is 'coward back' and away from her...they are terrified of her.

Does any one know if anyone can do anything about how she treats the children?

Aunty KimKIm said...

I'm so glad that there's NO filming of the children right now.

I hope tons of you are praying for Jon's safety and SANITY!!
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THis TLC suing has got to be taking it's toll on him..and the worst it could do is drive him insane and want to kill himself..which would be horrible for the children,..as Kate would have full custody and certainly film them till they get old enough to 'rebell'..

I hope and pray that SOME JUDGE will rule because he is THEIR DAD and he is really goood with them...you can tell!! Look at their faces, esp. the tups...when they get off the bus......and at least Mady and Cara can speak directly to him, without fear of consequence......for ex..Mady says, "Dad, I'm hungry",,,"Dad can we leave?"..I'm sure she could never say that to Kate, without a glare and some horrendous comment!

Lord how I pray for those children and anyother children who have a mother like Kate.......no wonder we have so many angry teenagers out there.....look how some of them have grown up!!!!

AbbyandEvaMom said...

So people what's up next on Kate's agenda? Does anyone know?? After the last 2 Monday night crocodile tear sessions TLC shoved down our throats, what kind of show does TLC have lined up for THIS Monday??

Anyone care to guess?? Katie Irene must be going bonkers not filming or any new media blitzes to fill the long hours of each day. I bet that wooden spoon is getting a lot of usage to get her frustrations out. Poor babies!!

Real Mom who loves her son said...

There was a hilarious post on TMZ from some crazy inmate in Illinois in which he says TLC stands for torturing little children - lol - he also says he's the father of the Gosselin kids & Octomom's kids and other ramblings but. I thought the TLC thing was hilarious and totally thought GWOPers would appreciate it.

Suburbanessa said...

I was watching the "ugly moments" on YouTube last night, and I came across GumGate. Kate is screeching about the gum, grabs the bear like it's diseased and proclaims, "Kiss it goodbye, it's goin' in the trash." Poor Whathisface is crying and wailing, and Kate just doesn't care. The presence of a speck of gum was just too much for her and her perfect world order. I guess it's like that with her and people, too. The presence of a minor imperfection is just too much for her, so she throws them away. She has thrown her family away, thrown her husband away, and I wonder how long it will be before she throws the kids away. The "brat" (and she's not a brat, she's incredibly wise and brilliant) will be the first, for sure. I see her either leaving of her own accord as soon as she can, or being arrested or something when Kate presses charges for some minor offense. What will we be saying in 10 or 15 years as all this psychological havoc plays itself out on these children? **sigh**

(Sorry if this has been said before, I can't read through all the bazillions of comments here!)

realitybites said...

Re: Jon and the TLC law suit.

IMO, the ONLY reason that TLC is evenly remotely concerned with how much $$ Jon has made as a result of 'unauthorized' interviews is because Jon's contract with TLC more than likely included a clause that TLC is to be compensated a monetary percentage (typically 10%) of any and all paid interviews. The reason Heller, Hailey, and Jon's body gaurd have been called in to question (under oath) is because they were more than likely equally compensated monetarily for their appearance/contributions with respect to said interviews. This would answer the question as to why KATE seems to be getting away with doing appearances and interviews while Jon is bashed and reprimanded for doing the same. Whether the children are being filmed or not, for every appearance and interview that KATE does, TLC continues to take a monetary percentage of monies paid her for the interview/appearance.

Not a fan of either said...

ITA that Jon needs our prayers. He has made some absolutely awful decisions, but he seems so lost and easily influenced by whomever he is currently in contact with. He desperately needs guidance and people who care about him. I believe he has fallen into the fame trap thinking he is going to make it on his own which isn't going to happen. He is a one shot wonder right now and someone needs to make him understand that the life he is now living is not real. Not to mention, when this is all over the lawyers and TLC will have all his money and he will be ruined. He really needs to step back and reconsider his life and choices. I too worry about his sanity. He's not strong. This does not mean that I am not very disgusted with the things he has done. He has made huge mistakes. But I believe Jon is basically good at heart (but not too smart) unlike Kate who is neither good nor smart.

ManicNarcissism said...

Praying for Jon's safety? Nope not going to happen here. I just can't believe the pass being given to him. Just put his actions on Kate and think about how you would be reacting. Just imagine for a moment:

Kate is seen in bars at 2am with men, pics included. Then she invites boyfriend over to lay out in yard while Jon is working, pics included. Then she gets an apartment in NYC, starts becoming friends with the paps and poses for pictures. She then takes her boyfriend to St. Tropez posing with champagne in air. She takes her boyfriend on a carriage ride and poses for pap pictures just to get a dig in on Jon. She pays for all these things with money that all 10 of them worked for. She hangs out with Dina Lohan and leaves the kids to jet off to Hawaii for a celebrity wedding.

She yanks the kids off the tv show and manipulates the public into believing that she is doing it for some greater good but is really just using it as a negotiation tool.

Would you ask for me to pray for her?

I don't know how much more I can stomach the double standards. I know, WE don't like Kate, some of us like Jon, but come on we have to be able to judge simple human behavior as good or bad. I'm not saying Kate is better, but no one is asking for me to cut her slack or pray for her.

And sorry, but at this point, I believe she is the more stable of the two. I wish I had a third parent in the mix.

No Drama Mama said...

BEST.ARTICLE.EVER!!!!!!

Prisoner: I Impregnated Kate G. & Octomom

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/07/prisoner-i-impregnated-kate-g-and-octomom-wknd/

In the awesome papers, filed in Illinois, Riches claims he met Kate "at a Harrisburg Long John Silvers over octopuss" -- and when Kate went to a fertility clinic in 2002, his "sperm was added to the mix."

Janet said...

Jon seems to be heading into a heap of trouble with the impending lawsuit(s).

I can't help but think what I would do in Kate's situation. I don't care what my husband did or didn't do...I could not sit by and watch our "employer" tear him to pieces and possibly leave him with nothing. I would take no joy in destroying the man I used to love and who is Daddy to our 8 little kids. Kate really must have ice in her veins if she can be a party to destroying Jon.

Why can't these two grow up, stop gallavanting all over, come together and for once actually take the high road? They need to put their egos and greed aside and think about how all of this is and will affect the kids.

The saddest thing is, they could have had it all. Divorced or married, they still could have had financial security and provide a good (not spoiled and luxury filled) life for their kids.

Shame on both of them.

Minka's tail said...

First of all, I think you are supposed to pray for everyone, not just those that are living a good life. Isn't that what they tell you in church?(LOL)

If Kate acted like Jon, everyone would say she's a skanky 'ho.

If Jon acted like Kate (forcing her to quit her job, demeaning her, criticizing her every time she opened her mouth, screaming at and hitting the kids) he would be considered a spouse abuser. It's not only beating that's considered domestic violence by some groups. Slamming doors, yelling and stomping off are also considered abuse of a sort.

So, if the roles were reversed, you'd have an abusive dad and a slutty mom. Instead, you've got an abusive mom and and a slutty dad. Since the slut isn't hitting the kids or denying them water, I'm still on his side.

Jon is a loser said...

Jon shouldn't have gone outside the boundaries of his contract if he didn't want to get sued. He's a grown man, not a minor. And if it is true that he used the threat of pulling the kids off the show as a bargaining chip (vs doing it for their own good) he is disgusting.

Sorry, I don't feel one bit sorry for him. He is behaving like an irresponsible teenager.

And if I pray for anyone in this mess (which quite honestly I don't - when I pray for people I don't know it's usually the men and women in the service or people who have been truly abused or harmed) it would be the kids and that's it.

Suzanne said...

By suing Jon isn't TLC backhandedly also sticking it to Kate AND the children? Nice network. Have you seen the Duggars Q/A? It's like TLC is mocking and highlighting the trainwreck that is the Gosselins by simply showing what "grounded/stable" looks like.
Are they placating Kate by media oversaturation (to save their own hides)whilst making her look so devoid of anything admirable. Is this just a twisted social experiment where the "audience" is part of the written script w/ the media playing their part ala Truman Show on steroids? Most of the key players are interconnected and have been affliated w/ TLC in one way or another. Regardless, the concern has always been for the children thus the premise for this board. Simply having them off the air is NOT enough to protect them from the misguided adults in their lives. Conspiracy theory or not, neither "reality" is good for the kids. They need intervention and representation. Prayers going out to those close to the situation who are working to change it.

Pamela Jaye said...

ManicNarcissism - yup, you should definitely pray for Kate. she's going to be a far harder nut to crack. Jon seriously needs guidance. Kate is going to have to be beaten down to the ground before she repents for what she's done and is still doing (I'm sure she's still hurting those kids somehow).

All wars end eventually. It's just a matter of how much collateral damage there will be.

MickeyMcKean said...

Janet said...

I can't help but think what I would do in Kate's situation. I don't care what my husband did or didn't do...I could not sit by and watch our "employer" tear him to pieces and possibly leave him with nothing. I would take no joy in destroying the man I used to love and who is Daddy to our 8 little kids. Kate really must have ice in her veins if she can be a party to destroying Jon.

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ITA. I don't know how Kate can call herself a loving mother who does everything "for the kids" and then allow the father of the kids to be financially destroyed in public with the media capturing every moment forever for her children to read and view about some day when they are older when she has the power to stop it, or at the very least, limit their actions.

Can you imagine the hostility the children will have for their mother when they are older and they understand what happened in this case? The emotional upheaval they will go through with one parent versus the other? Not that this very thing is not happening now of course.

IMHO there is nothing Kate can say to her children in the future to justify her lack of actions in this case against Jon simply because she wants to "go on with the show". TLC has the financial means to destroy Jon and yes, who knows, perhaps even push him over the emotional edge.

Is this what Kate wants? The kids 100% in her care, custody and control?

Yet all Kate has to do is to inform TLC in writing that she also wants to keep her kids off TV because it is being detrimental to her children. She is already acknowledging that they are acting out, she has the proof/backup she needs to join Jon and pull the plug "for the kids".

But instead Kate wants to be a "contract honorer". Uh huh. I don't buy it, and in time, neither will her children. Oh the +8 rehabs I bet we will hear about in the future. This is such a sad train wreck to watch.

naps said...

The saddest thing is, they could have had it all. Divorced or married, they still could have had financial security and provide a good (not spoiled and luxury filled) life for their kids.
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I totally agree. They could have done a few shows, paid off their house, started the college funds, get a free trip to disney.

Annual updates with/ free vacation would ahave ensured a life with no financial pinches..

Then they could have retreated to a nice quiet life and just be parents.

But now they both consider themselves medai personalities who deserve a celebrity life

2 people in a quest to hurt each other are now americas favourite fools...

naps said...

can't help but think what I would do in Kate's situation. I don't care what my husband did or didn't do...I could not sit by and watch our "employer" tear him to pieces and possibly leave him with nothing. I would take no joy in destroying the man I used to love and who is Daddy to our 8 little kids. Kate really must have ice in her veins if she can be a party to destroying Jon.
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I totally agree. Is she so much in thier control that she cant do anything

Does she hate Jon so much she does not want to do anything

Does she want the show and publicity, money, bodyguard, freebies,perks and lime light so much she would not do anything..

Double Standards Make No Sense said...

Minka's Tail said, "...If Kate acted like Jon, everyone would say she's a skanky 'ho.

If Jon acted like Kate (forcing her to quit her job, demeaning her, criticizing her every time she opened her mouth, screaming at and hitting the kids) he would be considered a spouse abuser. It's not only beating that's considered domestic violence by some groups. Slamming doors, yelling and stomping off are also considered abuse of a sort.

So, if the roles were reversed, you'd have an abusive dad and a slutty mom. Instead, you've got an abusive mom and and a slutty dad..."

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Minka, EXCELLENT point about the double standards.

Women seem to be held to higher, more stringent standards when it comes to promiscuity, while they are too often given a pass for verbal and emotional abuse. Sometimes they are given a pass for even physical abuse because of the whole bogus 'weaker gender' mindset.

It's an issue all of us would be wise to reevaluate.

Janine said...

I don't think people here are blind supporters of Jon. He was shocked to find out his wife (who had just said she was going to spend the next 90 years with him, trying harder) was kicking him out. Not only that, she took what was left of his heart and soul and ground her high heels into it. He acted in an immature way, but it is CLEAR that all 8 of his children seem happier, more at east when with him. K8 exacts perfection and they seem robotic around her.
In any case... the main thing is he has taken steps to have his kids not be in the middle of the mess, filming while they figure this out. He wants privacy for his kids... He is also friendly with the people who camp at his house. I think his answers are sometimes funny, usually not un-kind, and often in response to some outragious charge against him. It bothers me most that he is being required to keep his mouth shut. I still feel that in this country, no matter who has a contract... we have a right to speak.

The Big Wooden Spoon said...

Minka's tail said...
*snipped*
So, if the roles were reversed, you'd have an abusive dad and a slutty mom. Instead, you've got an abusive mom and and a slutty dad. Since the slut isn't hitting the kids or denying them water, I'm still on his side.

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Well put!

Jon may be acting foolish, but at least he's doing it openly(while Queeny pretends to be all holy and perfect while doing who-knows-what behind that locked bedroom door), and none of it is illegal. Beating children and denying them water is.

Janine said...

That afadavit is so vague and overeaching... (Radar Online) unconstitutional. The language is a lot like K8's. It's double talk. One point #17 I think states that TLC, the Gosselins (JKIG inc.) Jon,Kate Irene Gosselin Inc. etc. all agreed that after the divorce was filed, no ONE (the parties)would speak about the show, the divorce, yada,yada,yada... wasn't K8 first one out the gate explaining she was forced to file for divorce in light of Jon's recent (fill in the standard blank, actions, behavior, choices)The date of the 'do not speak clause was June 25, 2009 for 45 days) I believe K8 kept talking. I believe Jon was responding to random people standing around his front yard.
The lawsuit is frivolous, is not dealing with the ways K8 has broken the same contractual agreements. K8 continued to be a contract honorer and was making money and giving TLC their percentage. TLC is still pimping out the Gosselin Children, despite filming having stopped. They own the rights to play every abusive, kiddie (porn) seen when the children are undressed, neglect of the children, how they are deprived of food, nurturing, family,rest, socializing, education and so on. TLC has the 'B--ls' to continue to try and destroy the children's father, not take into consideration their roll in their future mental health issues. TLC is not aware that many of their viewers have begun to examine their product and are very astute and aware. They are communicating and people are watching. TLC should tread lightly on their cash cow. They would be far better off if they stepped away from the family, let them heal. Helped them heal.

Bella Vita said...

This is my first time to comment but I've been reading everyone else's here for ages. I appreciate how respectful you all are of each other and I really enjoy all your insights! Suddenly I feel compelled to weigh in with the people who are saying that we have been giving Jon too much of a pass. He was clearly controlled and treated terribly by his wife and we felt so bad for him that we overlooked what he did when he finally had the chance to live his life the way he wanted. Now he's acting like an immature 17-year-old and not taking the golden opportunity to show the world that Kate was the bad guy.

Janine said...

slapping and punching Jon then yelling "Dont' be a victim, it's so unattractive" Barking at him in Toys R Us and telling him for the world to hear "you need to stop playing with the little toys and get over here" Telling him not to breath and making fun of his very breath, belittling his ability to think or speak, yelling HELL-OOOooooo, over here (you idiot, don't you know you must read my mind ... *I made that part up) Always screaming about how to dress, not to dress, how to walk, not to walk, how to clean, not to clean... EVERYTHING was harsh. Even her compliments were harsh. When speaking about his Vows at the vow renewal, she said 'even Jon's were good, BELIEVE it or NOT' She was the Lord in that house. No one dare cross her. Abuse is sometimes a slow form of brain washing. When hearts and children are involved, people stay and take the abuse. K8 is abusive. She is now openly abusing her children. I wonder why that isn't in TLC's contract? They own the brand... how can they let her hurt their brand?

Jackiepaper said...

What kind of editing will TLC have to do before they put on "viewers favorite moments" this coming Monday? The saying goes that "hind sight is 20/20" is so true in the case of Jon and Kate. When we all thought that this family was young and struggling in an honest, unpretentious way, many of the family occurrences were understandable. Now that we see how much everything has been manipulated, looking back at those once endearing episodes through the lens of truth is often painful. For example, the pumpkin patch episode when the tups were very small and one of the boys was "lost" in the corn maze. All the screeching and hen pecking are now obviously a character trait of her royal highness and not necessarily the spontaneous reaction of the moment.

ErinKate said...

Jon in Hawaii to attend a Phillies player's wedding? I wonder who paid?

emmasmommy said...

I would like to know why does anyone assume that Jon has slept with all these gals. Just because they say so does not make it true.
Just because he is a father does that mean he is forever forbidden to have fun when away from the kids.
In my opinion if the man is legally separated he can pretty much do as he pleases. If Jon wanted to hit a bar, date a few fame seeking girls, go to St. Tropez, etc....he can. How is that neglecting his children????
He is very much a part of their lives and they love him soooo much. Their eyes beam when they see him.

Jon is human and from what I have gathered from him from watching the show the first 3 seasons. He loves his kids. Kate wanted one more and he didn't but YET once the kids were here he rolled up his sleeves and was there for Kate. He loves them as if he was planning to have them originally. He wasn't ready emotionally nor financially for one more but like many of us we compromise with our partners. When one is in love we compromise and do things that were not in ones agenda. Jon LOVED his wife and slowly she butchered that. He supported her ambition to go after her goals. Even Kate has confirmed that story. Jon NEVER held her back and with his PERMISSION she traveled to PROMOTE her projects.
IMO he truly believed that Kate was gonna go, earn a living, and at the end of the day come home to the family. Unfortunately, Kate used him just like she uses everyone until her goal was met.
She never realized that he was going to fight back.

So in short I too hope that he does not harm himself as a form of a way out of this mess. In a sick way Kate and TLC are aware of the possibility of Jon taking his own life. She knows her ex and TLC has thousands of hours of footage of a weak, emotionally beaten Jon. They know what they are doing.
SHAME ON THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SAD.

Miss said...

Oh it is to painful for Kate to take her children to church! WTF? Haven't we heard her say that she will do ANYTHING for her kids/take the high road/ put her kids first and the list goes on and on. TRUTH BE TOLD is that the reason that she doesn't take the kids to church is because she is not gonna get paid for doing it!

Another thing that I caught was she said on "Kate...Her Story" was that she would never make her kids do anything that they didn't want to do bla bla bla.....But I just watched a re-run and she clearly stated "I don't care the exhaustion level or the energy it takes my kids WILL have memories"

Those kids did not look happy when they were crying on the slopes of Utah in the bitter weather. 3 year old don't have any business up on a cold mountain when they don't want to be or in a blistering amusement park in 103 degree temp.

Oh but NOOO she just can't take them to church.

For the Moment? said...

As an aside I watched Joy Behar last night and she made it clear that she had to up here with the Gosselins--"oh no, not them again" to quote. If I am not mistaken she is going to have Paula Deen on Monday.

Fed Up said...

For The Moment: I heard on a commercial also that Joy Behar is having "Cooking with Kate" on Monday. ????? Only heard it once. I wonder if this is the thingy she filmed with Paula Deen?

fidosmommy said...

Miss said...
Oh it is to painful for Kate to take her children to church! WTF? Haven't we heard her say that she will do ANYTHING for her kids/take the high road/ put her kids first and the list goes on and on. TRUTH BE TOLD is that the reason that she doesn't take the kids to church is because she is not gonna get paid for doing it!

*****

That and the fact that this might have been one of the churches she and Jon talked to and took love offerings from. She might not feel so comfortable there now. Plus, some of the members of her current church may be friends with members of the church that did so much for the Gosselins right at first. You know, the stuff she discarded as unusable.

I think so many in PA have her number, and Kate may feel like the Prodigal Daughter who will not get a favorable reception.

Of course, Christians will forgive and forget. The church members may have moved on by now. It may be Kate who is riddled with guilt.
Oh, yeah, so that's not it......
Anyway, it must be hard to face the people you've used and bilked.
It's much easier to avoid them if you can't just dispatch them from you life.

We said...

emmasmommy,


A HUGE DITTO in response to your comment!!!!!!!!

fidosmommy said...

TLC has the 'B--ls' to continue to try and destroy the children's father, not take into consideration their roll in their future mental health issues.

*****

TLC does not care one whit about those children except how they can make TLC the #1 cable show.

They don't care about Jon or Kate, either, IMO. They are a means to an end.

Members of the crew may have come to care. But TLC? No.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Suburbanessa -

Is it just too much for Kate? Or is she actually a sadist and, on some level, relishes torturing anyone around her. Not good, either scenario.

Pilgrim Soul said...

I don't see how Jon's bad boy behaviour can be in violation of his contract? I mean, it's supposed to be a reality show, right? Demanding that he behaves in a specific way suggests that the show is, to some extent, scripted and that the children are, in fact, ACTING (make that, WORKING).

Janine said...

I am sure Jon has friends now that he has the ability to think for himself. I have traveled in my 50 years, flown on planes, stayed in hotels, gone to events. I honestly can't remember (I am blessed) having to pay the fare. Isn't it possible someone else paid for Jon to go? He is under the same microscope and I do not believe he would use funds that are locked up for trips and events. When you meet people in the 'business' freebies and
carte blanche is not unusual. I am no one special but I have been to world priemiers, back stage at Rock Concerts, rubbed elbows with the Greats of Hollywood and it didn't cost me more than the gas to get there. Point is, unless we see a withdrawl slip and charges coming from the assets that are frozen... why go there?
I am pretty sure the evolution of
K8 was not all done as an "episode" other than a tummy tuck. That is where I would question where the money came from. I don't complain about her travel, hotels, limmo's, security,P.O. box, Faxing and copy expense, her jewelry and shoes, and makeup, her salon costs... We know it takes a lot to create K8... But some of the obvious major surgery, dental work, tanning, things not required to take the high road and honor her contract... they do make me wonder which kid paid for them?

She's come undone said...

You know I was looking at that picture of Jon on ROI and he looks so silly with his hat turned around backwards like a little boy and it occurred to me to wonder if Jon is all there. When I think back to all the times he allowed Kate to abuse him verbally and emotionally (who knows if it was physical or not), or the way he turned into her slave; it just makes me wonder. Many of his actions have not been adult or moral and he is incapable of making a right or intelligent decision. He doesn't seem to do well in the work environment either. I wouldn't know how to label him nor would I want to, but I just don't think he is quite right.

marie said...

slapping and punching Jon then yelling "Dont' be a victim, it's so unattractive" Barking at him in Toys R Us and telling him for the world to hear "you need to stop playing with the little toys and get over here" Telling him not to breath and making fun of his very breath, belittling his ability to think or speak, yelling HELL-OOOooooo,

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If it were Jon saying this to kate people would ahve been screaming abuse.
Can you imaangine a man "love taping his wife"

Kate did abuse Jon in this way..

Sasha222 said...

I really have always wanted to be on Jon's side. I mean, I don't like Kate whatsoever and I think she is an awful person, so it seems very easy for us to always defend Jon and what he does. Yes it seems like the kids really love him and enjoy being with him more then Kate, and I would never believe that he didn't love those kids completely as well.
But something didn't sit well with me when I read that originally Jon only threatened TLC to take the kids off the show in attempts to get something in return. At first I was also defending Jon saying, "who cares what order he did things as long as they are off TV"? But it's just kind of icky that Jon probably never intended on taking the kids off the air if he had never been axed from the show.
Who knows though? Maybe after all this he has discovered how harmful it was to have them on the show in the first place, but orginally I don't think he had their best intentions (concerning being exploited) in mind, and it makes me like him less and less. I just really hope he can pull himself together and do whats right. If he can stick to his guns no matter what this law suit throws at him then I will respect him more.

marie said...

She's come undone said...
... I wouldn't know how to label him nor would I want to, but I just don't think he is quite right.
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I dont think anything is wrong with him. I think hes just stunted.

I would ask Jon in an interview- why didnt you have a plan for your life after high school graduation-

Even after you got married, why weren't you frantically getiing an education and working on a career?

Youve been "single" for almost a year now- what have you done-work or schoool wise to advance yourself.

For the Moment? said...

Fed UP...I was napping, as usual when watching TV, but I thought Joy said she would have Paula Deen on Monday and they would be talking about cooking w/ Kate. Joy hasn't had much good to say about Kate lately, don't expect to see her there (except for ratings, who knows).

For the Moment? said...

We will see how fast she gets back in Church when she actually needs the churches.

Midnight Serenade said...

Pilgrim said:

I don't see how Jon's bad boy behaviour can be in violation of his contract?

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He signed a contract agreeing that he would do nothing in his personal or private life that would reflect badly on TLC. Therefore, going out to bars and hopping around with women before his divorce is final constitutes bad behavior, therefore putting TLC in a bad light because the show was touted as a family show. Advertisers got miffed and pulled their products. TLC claims that because of this they lost revenue. His actions, they claim, are a breach of contract.

What's really amusing is the affadavit that claims that the show is non-fiction! What could be more fictional than the renewal of wedding vows in Hawaii when their marriage was on the rocks and both of them knew it?

Morality said...

Pilgrim Soul said...

I don't see how Jon's bad boy behaviour can be in violation of his contract? I mean, it's supposed to be a reality show, right? Demanding that he behaves in a specific way suggests that the show is, to some extent, scripted and that the children are, in fact, ACTING (make that, WORKING).

11/07/2009 1:19 PM

I imagine because there is a morality clause...not just for Jon but for both.

ErinKate said...

Joy said Paula will be on Monday to talk about cooking with Kate.As you heard, Joy is fed up with the Gosselins but she doesn't hesitate to use them to entice viewers. It's all about ratings.

marie said...

I don't doubt that Kate and Jon's relationship was anything but healthy. I'm not sure I buy into the fact that he was abused though. He could have been, I'm not saying he was not. I'm just saying without knowing what he dished back at her off camera, I just can't judge their situation. I just have this gut feeling that he gave back just as well as he got, but he was just intelligent enough not to do it on camera. I've gotten this gut feeling from the way he treats the kids, grabbing arms, twisting ears, breaking sticks, etc.
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I agree with you. I should have stated this in my above pt as well.

Yep we really dont know what happened off camera.
Kate says she always felt she carrying the most weight.

I have to say having a husband who is out of work, with no career goals etc is very stressful ( course i would have not started/expanded my family until he got his act in order)

Anyone remember the camera cathing him yell "the post office is closed."

I always believed that in NC with the swimming lessons, maddy got a spanking when she and jon went inside.I could be wrong,but her tone when she began to say "sorry" as she ran inside..

marie said...

For the Moment? said...
We will see how fast she gets back in Church when she actually needs the churches.
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Hey maybe Kate cant go to church because her CONTRACT with TLC says she cant anymore.

Im not being snarky, but who knows what else TLC has requested.. maybe TLC told her to get into shape, tan, boob job etc

Lori said...

I saw a magazine yesterday in the grocery store check-out line. I think it was called Life & Styles and it was touting a "Gosselin-free issue." Had to laugh!

fidosmommy said...

Morality said...
Pilgrim Soul said...

I don't see how Jon's bad boy behaviour can be in violation of his contract? I mean, it's supposed to be a reality show, right? Demanding that he behaves in a specific way suggests that the show is, to some extent, scripted and that the children are, in fact, ACTING (make that, WORKING).

11/07/2009 1:19 PM

I imagine because there is a morality clause...not just for Jon but for both.

*****

I just finished reading on the
eXaminer that TLC was miffed with Jon for wearing "unapproved" clothing while filming, causing the editing team to spend lots of time blurring things out. This is part of their case against him.

Reality show? Sure it is. And the people doing TV commercials really do use those products in their own homes every single day, right? And Big Bird is a real giant bird.

For the Moment? said...

It appears to me that TLC had every intention of keeping the separation a secret from the viewers and should that not be like FRAUD? How long did they think that could maintain that..and Kate is guilty, too.

For the Moment? said...

Thanks ErinKate...re: Joy. That might be interesting.

Mona said...

ManicNarcissism said,
I've gotten this gut feeling from the way he treats the kids, grabbing arms, twisting ears, breaking sticks, etc.

$$$$$$$

I would have broken that stick too.
The child was told repeatedly to stop poking the stick around because it was dangerous. He was
ignored, and the stick whipping around continued. What was he supposed to do instead? Sure, a little chat on the side would have been ideal, but this was like a kid running with scissors. Take them away.

Pa Mom Knows said...

According to Sabin's affidavit, both Kate and Jon agreed not to make any public statements about each other, the divorce or the program for 45 days after June 25. Does anyone know when Kate first made any statements, either to the printed media, or on television interviews? Was she within that 45-day agreement?

Reality/Schmeality said...

Fido's Mommy said, "I just finished reading on the
eXaminer that TLC was miffed with Jon for wearing "unapproved" clothing while filming, causing the editing team to spend lots of time blurring things out. This is part of their case against him.

Reality show? Sure it is. And the people doing TV commercials really do use those products in their own homes every single day, right? And Big Bird is a real giant bird."
))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

LOL! "The realest reality show on tv!" Sure, Kate, abso-freaking-lutely.

Trudy said...

I just watched the Kathy Griffin special on YouTube waiting to hear her talk about Kate. What a disappointment!! Kate was brought up twice. First Kathy had harsh comments about Jon, only Jon. She mentioned how yeah, she knows Kate's mean or whatever...not stuff that she personally saw, just things we all know. She did say she thought Kate was fooling around with the body guard, that was it. Later in the show she mentioned seeing Kate, "her new BFF" on The View. Other than that, NOTHING. What's the deal with that?

GosselinGriffith-oriffic said...

Trudy said, re: Kathy Griffith not dissing Kate in her usual Griffithesque style.

I have to assume it's because tv is not unlike the Mafia and, realizing that at least for the moment, Kate seems to be very 'connected' to the tv powers that be, best not to honk off the TV Mafiatypes who can squash Kathy Griffith's career like a bug on a windshield. My guess it's a CYA on Kathy's part.

Im_in_PR said...

I just have this gut feeling that [Jon] gave back just as well as he got, but he was just intelligent enough not to do it on camera.

Well, one thing we know is that Jon isn't all that smart, sadly enough.

goawayfools said...

TLC wants it both ways. If this show is a docmentary, then Jon can do what he wants and wear what he wants (an Ed Hardy shirt is way less offensive that Kate's mini skirts anyway). If TLC is manipulating his behavior, then the show is not a documentary and they are in violation of child labor laws. Jon needs to attack TLC from this stance; they really don't want that can of worms opened.

goawayfools said...

Another thought: can TLC prove that advertisers pulled out because of Jon's behavior? In my opinion, they're are just as likely to have pulled out because of Kate's behavior. Look what happened with her cookbook and walmart deal. And if Kate's the one that wanted the divorce, SHE'S the one who ruined theimr image as the happy family. Would Jon have behaved in the fashion that TLC is suing for if Kate had agreed to counseling and working on the marriage?

Lame Without Shame said...

Excellent question raised by previous posters re: why Ed Hardy tshirts would violate a 'morality' clause, while store-bought Double D's, hooker attire and makeup does not.

Considering the bigger picture of the entire Gosselin drama, TLC sure seems to have an odd definition of 'morality'.

Jon's goose is cooked said...

goawayfools said...

Another thought: can TLC prove that advertisers pulled out because of Jon's behavior? In my opinion, they're are just as likely to have pulled out because of Kate's behavior. Look what happened with her cookbook and walmart deal. And if Kate's the one that wanted the divorce, SHE'S the one who ruined theimr image as the happy family. Would Jon have behaved in the fashion that TLC is suing for if Kate had agreed to counseling and working on the marriage?

11/07/2009 6:16 PM

I think comments and thoughts like this show wishful thinking more than anything. There is no way a huge corporation such as TLC would not have all their t's crossed and i's dotted.

Not to mention the fact that the lawyers they have retained would make sure if anything wasn't exactly the way it should be.

Dunwoody Mom said...

I think comments and thoughts like this show wishful thinking more than anything. There is no way a huge corporation such as TLC would not have all their t's crossed and i's dotted.

Don't kid yourself. This is nothing more than TLC trying to "bully" Jon into allowing those kids to be filed. Everyone, and I mean everyone, should realize that TLC sees these children as nothing more than $$$$$. TLC cares NOTHING about Mady, Cara, Hannah, Leah, Alexis, Colin, Aaeden or Joel. TLC is shameful and Eileen O'Neill will pay for what she's done to these children.

Teresa said...

Maybe l'm wrong, but, l haven't seen anyone post the time of K8 & Jon sitting on the interview couch after one episode and Jon interrupted whatever drivel K8 was talking about and she literally screamed "Don't you interrupt me, haven't you learned by now not to interrupt me" He in turn almost curled up into a ball, his face almost hidden by his hands, his knees came up as if he was waiting for K8 to beat him. It was very telling. His immediate knee jerk reaction to her screaming. If she scared him that much,l can only imagine how her rages scares the kids. To be truthful, l do know, l grew up with a mother that went into rages if we even looked at her. I too was terrified of my parents. Sorry to go on for so long. This abuse of the children is bringing back some awful flashbacks for me. Please,edit as you see fit.

Teresa said...

Aunty Kim Kim says "With Kate all they seem to do is 'coward back' and away from her." She is right. This is what l did with my mother. I'm almost 61 now, but l still haven't recovered from her abuse, probably never will now. So, anything you Gwopers can do for the children so they don't end up like me will be appreciated. I only wish people like you were there for me all those years ago. Please don't give up on those kids.

Behind the Scenes said...

There is no way a huge corporation such as TLC would not have all their t's crossed and i's dotted.

Not to mention the fact that the lawyers they have retained would make sure if anything wasn't exactly the way it should be.


Au contrarie my friend. The word on the street is that TLC is just scrambling to do a little CYA'ing before the State of PA drops the bomb.

jibberjabbers said...

Kate says she always felt she carrying the most weight.

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Kate says a lot of things. Is it true? No. That's why she has no relationship with anyone longer than a few years.

I'm surprised the Marriage lasted for almost 10 years.

The only one with a lot of weight on their shoulder was Jon. He stayed home to care for the kids, he woke them up, he dressed them, and what did Kate do? Slept in til 9am. LOL

Whats harder? Going out signing books or staying home and caring for 8 kids?

I mean, woman complain all the time saying that staying home and watching the kids is a full time Job.

But when Jon is the one doing it, it's nothing? Why? Because he is a man? It was KATE who demanded that Jon quit his IT job for the govt that provided FULL BENEFITS to stay home while she went out to promote their book.

Kate didn't CARRY ANY weight. All she did was give out orders.

When SHE forget her cell phone, who went back home to go get it? While she sat in the van like an idiot..

I can go on and on and on.

People are only bashing Jon for what he did in the past 4 months. And FORGOT what he did for the past 10 years.

Megan said...

OMG

I'm watching SNL and they are skewering Kate's appearance on The View. Taylor Swift is playing Kate!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

the hair, the unnecessary media tour, the paparazzi, the bizarre speech patterns


HAHAHAHAHH

goawayfools said...

Jon's goose is cooked, you may very well be right, but how sad if TLC really goes through with this case against Jon. While they may be able to make a case legally, it somehow doesn't feel right. Their arguments sound weak, petty, vindictive, and morally off-base. Those poor kids are stuck with pathetic excuses for parents who are unwilling and/or unable to protect them from TLC, who could care less about them.

Brummygirl said...

The saddest thing is, they could have had it all. Divorced or married, they still could have had financial security and provide a good (not spoiled and luxury filled) life for their kids.
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The one point here is that Jon wanted to do just that after season four, but good old Kate had not raked in enough money at that point. I remember as they sat on the couch at the end of that season and Jon said he did not think there would be another one and Kate in her usual controlling manner, stated that she there would be. At that point,I believe they were free not to be "contract honorers" and it would have been a good ending for all, although we did not know what was going on behind the scenes.
I am not defending Jon as I have stated before, he has made some really bad decisions but I feel that was due to being free of the control. Which does not excuse him either, but we ask ourselves, who is pushing for re filming the children....it's all about the kids!!!

Imak8h8rtoo said...

While surfing the net I ran into the K8 show...Two thing occurred to me--and I wonder if anyone else caught this... She said she could 'Never go back to being a nurse b/c the salary wouldn't supoort 8 kids and we couldn't support 10 ppl on on our salaries" and she mentioned his as an IT Tech and hers as a PART TIME nurse. 1)Wasn't she a nurse and Jon an IT Tech when she made the decision to be irresponsible and have IUI instead of controlled IVF and bring 6 more kids into this world when they were struggling with the twins they had? 2) if it's so tough to support 8 kids on a nurse/IT Tech salary, how do the Hayes (Table for 12) do it on one salary--with 10 kids,one with special needs? He's in a profession notorious for underpaying their employees--he's a police officer. K8's statements sure sounded to me like this whole I'm-a-Reality-TV-Star-only-for-my-kids thing was pre-planned, well thought out and well executed--til the snaffuu hit: the public caught on and Jon woke up.

Ugh...she makes me sick to my stomach. She is shady and slimy.

Aunty Anne said...

Minka's tail said...
First of all, I think you are supposed to pray for everyone, not just those that are living a good life. Isn't that what they tell you in church?(LOL)

If Kate acted like Jon, everyone would say she's a skanky 'ho.

If Jon acted like Kate (forcing her to quit her job, demeaning her, criticizing her every time she opened her mouth, screaming at and hitting the kids) he would be considered a spouse abuser. It's not only beating that's considered domestic violence by some groups. Slamming doors, yelling and stomping off are also considered abuse of a sort.

So, if the roles were reversed, you'd have an abusive dad and a slutty mom. Instead, you've got an abusive mom and and a slutty dad. Since the slut isn't hitting the kids or denying them water, I'm still on his side.

11/07/2009 8:39 AM
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We have no way of knowing how Kate behaves behind closed doors.

Judging by how we have seen her react to the kids when she is angry, when they are filming or the paparazzi have filmed it, it hasn't been pretty.

I believe she just be pure witch in private. I am afraid for what those kids must go through in private.

Merrilee said...

She's come undone said...
You know I was looking at that picture of Jon on ROI and he looks so silly with his hat turned around backwards like a little boy and it occurred to me to wonder if Jon is all there. When I think back to all the times he allowed Kate to abuse him verbally and emotionally (who knows if it was physical or not), or the way he turned into her slave; it just makes me wonder. Many of his actions have not been adult or moral and he is incapable of making a right or intelligent decision. He doesn't seem to do well in the work environment either. I wouldn't know how to label him nor would I want to, but I just don't think he is quite right.

11/07/2009 1:24 PM
............................

Really? Apparently TLC has at least some of us fooled.

We said...

Kate says that she would never ever make the kids film when they didn't want to.

Oh the kids sure looked happier then larks during the interview when Kate had to reprimand Alexis and denied Mady water.

I believe Kate just like I believe that I can sprout wings and fly to the moon.

For the Moment? said...

I can't believe the advertisers would complain about Jon's behavior, after they were separated, and didn't complain about the way Kate started dressing on camera with the kids, push-up bras (or whatever), cleavage, miniskirts, stilettoes, just shy of fishnet stockings. Also corporal punishment caught on camera though on the cutting room floor for TLC. Being gone all the time, nannies raising the children, being neglectful of the children even on TLC film, kids begging for water on camera and being refused even though Kate got her a big swig. Speeding, not buckling the children (there is no way she buckle 6 kids in the SUV. Being rude to virtually everyone she comes in contact with even on the show, it just does on and on. If the advertisers should be upset about anything what about the fact that TLC was hiding the separation from them for almost a year, with every intention of continuing to do so as long as possible.

maire said...

She said she could 'Never go back to being a nurse b/c the salary wouldn't supoort 8 kids and we couldn't support 10 ppl on on our salaries" and she mentioned his as an IT Tech and hers as a PART TIME nurse. 1)Wasn't she a nurse and Jon an IT Tech when she made the decision to be irresponsible and have IUI instead of controlled IVF and bring 6 more kids into this world when they were struggling with the twins they had
_____________________
I would LOVE someone to ask her this

On a Dr phil show ( octomom show) she said that when they went back they were prepred for up to quadruplets.

Also i think Jon got the "IT" job after the kids were born, I think he held a series of random jobs before.

Also Jon being an IT guy is very qestionable and inflated- i dont believe he has real employable IT skills.

marie said...

Whats harder? Going out signing books or staying home and caring for 8 kids?
___________________
Flying, dining, body guard, hair and make up, hotels, body guard, being lauded as super mom, body guard, go home and bi*** about things not being done my way, what the kids ate and im exhausted

OR

trapped in a house with 8 ill behaved kids, DONT disturb mom unless its an emergency

readerlady said...

@ PA Mom Knows

Yes Khate was within the 45 day period. She had that large People spread where she described the kids' reactions to the divorce and talked about "crying all day" and feeling relief and made some not so suble digs at Jon. It appeared in early July - I think around the 5th or 6th. Jon had an article in People about 3 weeks later. So, actually, they both broke that contract clause.

Slightly off topic, but - I get the Dear Abby column in my inbox every day. In today's column there's a letter from someone who had relatives who had a 25th anniversary party, complete with gifts, separated a year later, and then admitted they'd actually been divorced for 8 years. I wonder if this is what Khate/TLC planned for the Gosselins. But Jon so foolishly got "caught" with another woman (which I'm beginning to think may have been deliberate on his part, just to end the sham).

cdnmom47 said...

Well, well, well....I was just going through 'My favorites' that I have saved on YouTube and discovered that all of the videos of 'Jon and Kates Ugliest Moments from Seasons 1-4' have disappeared. I'm not sure of the reason, but they're gone....mmmmm...makes one wonder why.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"I'm watching SNL and they are skewering Kate's appearance on The View. Taylor Swift is playing Kate!!"

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The sad thing is, though, that she can't recognize that she is being skewered. She believes that she's worthy of celebrity status because she's given attention on national television, and that just inflates her ego. She doesn't know she's a laughingstock. How pathetic is that?

she is evil said...

Behind the scenes, can you share more?? I think TLC is nervous about the child labor issue. Look at how the show's format changed after the allegations of child labor violations were made. New episodes were viewed once every other week more often than they were weekly, few scenes were filmed from within the Orphanage, the kids were split up for filming to lessen each child's camera time, inordinate amount of vacation or field trip episodes, much more time each episode spent with Kate flapping her gums on the couch and less film time involving the kids, etc. If TLC had been following the rules all along, then why so many changes?

MickeyMcKean said...

Behind the Scenes said...
There is no way a huge corporation such as TLC would not have all their t's crossed and i's dotted.

Not to mention the fact that the lawyers they have retained would make sure if anything wasn't exactly the way it should be.


Au contrarie my friend. The word on the street is that TLC is just scrambling to do a little CYA'ing before the State of PA drops the bomb.

___________________________________

I read somewhere awhile back, and no I don't remember where, that if the State of PA determines that the children have in fact been working, the State of PA could impose fines on both Jon and Kate, in addition to TLC.

So when Jon pulled the plug I remember wondering if perhaps part of his decision was because he was concerned about future problems with the State of PA due to the permit issues and figured this was one way to "safeguard" his savings from future state fines.

Course now there is the TLC lawsuit and Jon is in danger of getting a judgment against him.

Wow, I just had a thought ...

*WHAT IF* Jon loses this lawsuit against TLC and gets a judgment against him and then the State of PA "drops the bomb" and comes in and fines both Jon and Kate ...

*WHAT IF* after all is said and done that the Gosselin kids wind up with all the money they truly earned in secure trust accounts with a third party as the trustee, not the parents!, and Jon and Kate are left with very little liquid funds?

Gee, wouldn't that be sad? But hey, Jon and Kate would have the memories of all the magazine covers, interviews, trips, perks, etc., right? Also, since Jon and Kate did it "for the kids", the kids would wind up being financially secure!

All we can really do is to sit back and watch this train wreck ~ and to once again thank the moderators of GWoP for having a place to vent our frustrations about All Things Gosselin.

That'sJustWeird said...

ANYBODY NOTICE that kates bellybutton is about 6 inches too high?

Is this for easier navel gazing?

I would putty that in and tatoo a new one before I ever went to a beach again!

Not so sure about her ps!

That's just strange

mamaK said...

Dunwoody Mom said...
This is nothing more than TLC trying to "bully" Jon into allowing those kids to be filed. Everyone, and I mean everyone, should realize that TLC sees these children as nothing more than $$$$$. TLC cares NOTHING about Mady, Cara, Hannah, Leah, Alexis, Colin, Aaeden or Joel. TLC is shameful and Eileen O'Neill will pay for what she's done to these children.

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I totally agree. In the paperwork on radar, TLC says that they knew going into this contract with "the family" that if "the family" broke it they would really have no recourse because "the family" would not be able to pay a settlement. TLC also says that there is no way to put a monetary value on the loss that this breach of contract has cost them. So why are they in court??? What do they expect the court to do but force Jon to uphold the contract and allow the kids to keep filming???

qtrfan said...

Did anyone see The Soup? There was a montage about Kate's interview with Natalie Morales that was hysterical. It consisted of each time Kate asked and answered her own question strung together, with Natalie sitting there looking dumbstruck. Joel wrapped with a bunch of questions we all would like Kate to answer.

It is worth a look!

marie said...

she is evil said...
Behind the scenes, can you share more?? I think TLC is nervous about the child labor issue. Look at how the show's format changed after the allegations of child labor violations were made. New episodes were viewed once every other week more often than they were weekly, few scenes were filmed from within the Orphanage, the kids were split up for filming to lessen each child's camera time, inordinate amount of vacation or field trip episodes, much more time each episode spent with Kate flapping her gums on the couch and less film time involving the kids, etc. If TLC had been following the rules all along, then why so many changes?
____________________
You are very correct.
Less of maddy and cara,
More of kate
More outside house shots
More field trips
More split of kids

Oh yeah some BACK peddling!

We caught you TLC!

emily said...

The sad thing is, though, that she can't recognize that she is being skewered. She believes that she's worthy of celebrity status because she's given attention on national television, and that just inflates her ego. She doesn't know she's a laughingstock. How pathetic is that?______________

Yep all their talk shows are CASHING IN on her for thier own ratings.

Who in their right mind goes on talk show -not to talk about a book, or skill or accomplishment, but to speak ill of their husband.

Seriously can you sit in front of a live auidience and camera while you are urged to say nasty things about the father or your children.

Does she think these people love her and want to be her friends.

Honey they are laughing at you...

JoanD said...

jibberjabbers said:
"People are only bashing Jon for what he did in the past 4 months. And FORGOT what he did for the past 10 years".
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I couldn't agree with you more.

Also, for those posters who are outraged that people seem to be forgiving Jon. All the posts I have seen trying to see some good in Jon have also acknowledged that he has recently made some very bad decisions.

I go back and forth with my feelings about Jon. I have always thought he was a nice person and good with the kids. I would get disappointed when he would do something stupid but somehow I could never really dislke him.

Kate on the other hand has never done anything to change my feelings about her. No matter how hard I try to find some good in her I still find her disgusting.

ManicNarcissism said...

Teresa said...

Maybe l'm wrong, but, l haven't seen anyone post the time of K8 & Jon sitting on the interview couch after one episode and Jon interrupted whatever drivel K8 was talking about and she literally screamed "Don't you interrupt me, haven't you learned by now not to interrupt me" He in turn almost curled up into a ball, his face almost hidden by his hands, his knees came up as if he was waiting for K8 to beat him. It was very telling. His immediate knee jerk reaction to her screaming.

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Would like to view this. Do you remember episode or anything else about the eppy?

fidosmommy said...

jibberjabbers said...
Kate says she always felt she carrying the most weight.

******

Kate saw/sees herself as the home CEO. Her job, to her mind anyway, is to be sure everyone else does their work and that the financial picture is good. That's what she gets paid for. She's the top cheese, the penthouse office person.

I think that's what she means by
carrying the weight. Not that she lifted a finger to do the work herself, but that she oversaw it all from her throne.

fidosmommy said...

Re: Jon and the work prospects.

What jobs HAS he held, and for how long? When he met Kate, he had just returned from backpacking across Europe, probably on his father's dime. We know he worked
somewhere and got fired for using company time on personal business, then worked for the Commonwealth of PA for a very brief time doing who knows what (I thought Bob Carson gave him references for that job), he did some IT work at home for Bob, which I thought had to do with a cabinet making company - I read that here long ago, and that's all I know about until Kate had him staying home full time.

This is a time frame between their marriage in 1999 and roughly 2005, right? Not much of a resume, is it?

What jobs am I missing?

Just how reliable is Jon Gosselin,
even without all the notoriety from the TV show?

KyPastor said...

Wow, I just had a thought ...

*WHAT IF* Jon loses this lawsuit against TLC and gets a judgment against him and then the State of PA "drops the bomb" and comes in and fines both Jon and Kate ...

*WHAT IF* after all is said and done that the Gosselin kids wind up with all the money they truly earned in secure trust accounts with a third party as the trustee, not the parents!, and Jon and Kate are left with very little liquid funds?

Gee, wouldn't that be sad? But hey, Jon and Kate would have the memories of all the magazine covers, interviews, trips, perks, etc., right? Also, since Jon and Kate did it "for the kids", the kids would wind up being financially secure!


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From this page to God's ears. It would be wonderful if the children
could have what they have earned and their parents restarted their lives free of television.

KyPastor said...

Seriously can you sit in front of a live auidience and camera while you are urged to say nasty things about the father or your children.

Does she think these people love her and want to be her friends.

Honey they are laughing at you...

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She is looking for sympathy, begging someone to hear her.

Kate, my dear child, that is what counselors are for. They will not judge you, they will listen to you
and help you know what steps you can and should take to get to the point where you are no longer looking for sympathy, where to lay blame, or how to keep others under your control. You will learn better life skills and will be far, far happier than you currently are. Please consider it, for your own sake if not for anyone elses'. Thank you.

cheryl said...

I believe it was season 4, epi6 that Kate blasted Jon with the "don't you dare to talk over me". It was on one of the ugliest tapes. To me, that was it,
no respect, no conscious just plain
meanest.

can't stand her said...

Regarding Kate carrying most of the weight: she may have been referring to her butt and legs. Yeah, I know, snark, snark.

LaZyDay said...

Has anyone else notices that she looks like sasquash when she walks in heels??? She should do something about that asap

konGOaway said...

Here is the link for the SNL Kate/the View skit by Taylor Swift.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/the-view/1173606/

Ouch, especially since Taylor was on one of those days and Kate got pitcures, tickets, etc. Taylor doesn't make Kate look like the brightest bulb in the box.

No One Helps Me said...

Kate carried most of the weight?

Oh, like the time Miss CanDo insanely carried on (Joooonn!! OH MY!! We have a problelm!!!) at a b'day party over a little bit of water on the laundry room floor, then, once she got Jon and Beth and others there (they had the sense to grab a towel and sop it up instead of simply freaking out ala Kate), Kate just walked out, leaving everyone else to do the work? Yeah, that was really carrying the weight there, Katie.


Kate believes she carries all the weight because she is a person impossible to please, so no matter how much help she receives, it'll never be enough, because nothing ever measures up in Kate's mind. NO ONE ever gets any job done to Kate's satisfaction. She always believes SHE would've done a better job of it. Therein lies 'the weight' - it is just another of Kate's many delusions.

LadyLooksLikeaDude said...

LazyDay, Yes, I've noticed that. Best not to fight Mother Nature. Since Kate is not a naturally feminine type, the more she tries to tone down her masculinity, the more of a caricature she becomes. You are right: she definitely needs to lose the hooker shoes - just calls attention even more to the fact that she is far from a girly girl.

Janet said...

Megan said...
OMG

I'm watching SNL and they are skewering Kate's appearance on The View. Taylor Swift is playing Kate!!

I wish I had seen this. Remember how Kate met Taylor and got the autographs? But you know, in Kate's World, this skit only shows how much Taylor loves her. Kate will never get that people ARE laughing at her and never, ever with her.

Fear for Jon said...

cdnmom47 said...
Well, well, well....I was just going through 'My favorites' that I have saved on YouTube and discovered that all of the videos of 'Jon and Kates Ugliest Moments from Seasons 1-4' have disappeared. I'm not sure of the reason, but they're gone....mmmmm...makes one wonder why.

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Not gone, just moved. Look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2WyDs7l2U

Scroll the sidebar for more.

Hober said...

I watched the skit of the view on snl, Taylor needed to throw in a few fake tears and alot more umms

Pilgrim Soul said...

If there is a "morality clause" in the TLC contract, than the show is not a reality show. TLC is dictating the Gosselins' behaviour. That means everyone on the show is tailoring their behaviour. Which means it's not a reality show. Which should make it obvious to all that the children are being exploited.

Canadian Mom said...

I am quietly waiting for Gloria Alred, Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin....

to come out swinging(figuratively)...

Ms. Alred PROMISED to just a few days ago...

Can't be much longer friends....

She's come undone said...

Actually Merrilee, TLC did not come into play when I was thinking about Jon and his odd behavior. It was just a thought off the top of my own head, and just like everyone else, I could certainly be wrong. I just think his behavior and actions are a little strange. BTW. I am not easily fooled and certainly not by a network as stupid as TLC.

Kathryn said...

As long as Ellen, The View, Maria Shriver, Dr. Drew, Natalie Morales, Larry King and Rachel Ray kiss Khate's butt by not directly confronting her or calling her out during their interviews, then this woman will continue to think that she walks on water...
It's no wonder the jokes fly right over her head

Janine said...

A great show would be... If the kids could wear whatever clothes they wanted, rolled all over the vast front lawn, made mud pies, ran in circles throughout their house, made their own breakfast, lunch and dinner and their parents ate with them (on dishes), K8 stood back as the kids played with Jon and she smiled.They played with Play Doh and Crayons and markers, making a giant card. Made cupcakes using food coloring to learn how red and blue make purple. Eat the cupcakes. Made tents out of every blanket they own, tunneling through the entire downstairs. They would have a sleepover with their cousins and friends and eat pizza and junkfood while they watched the original Parent Trap on DVD. They could call it, Let Freedom Ring... (and they wouldn't have to trott off anywhere and see the dreaded "p" people) P.S. at the market today... NO sign of the Gosselins on the stands.

Sugar Booger said...

What happened with the Wal-Mart deal, exactly? I'm my local store, Kate's stuff hit the racks at clearance prices... Now it's marked down to two dollars for individual pieces, and it's still not moving...

Spanish Mike Alvarez said...

Slamming doors is abuse. I was married for 10 years. Finally, I could no longer live under the stress. I was no saint, but people in a household, especially kids should nout be subjected to yelling, screaming and slamming doors.

If you are a spouse that thinks that is normal, do what I did. Leave the nutcase and find someone nicer.

Life is great now, with a partner that works with me instead of against me.

The same applies in this case.

Muchas Gracias said...

Spanish Mike Alvarez: Thanks for a simple and powerful post. And AMEN to life being too short to waste it living with an abuser.

Brummygirl said...

Oh my goodness, regarding J an K's ugliest moments. I could not watch them all, they were so awful. I had not watched this show from the beginning, so some of those were an eye opener for me.
It seemed that at first Jon took the "abuse in a velvet glove" with humour, but it just progressed to become worse. I had forgotten how she claps her hands at him.
When it got to the part where he was installing a door and she just went on and on complete with *beeps*, I turned it off.
If this is not abuse, I do not know what is.
I now need a cup of tea to swig all that down!!!

Swissmiss said...

When he was in high school, Jon worked at a snow boarding place, I think. He mentioned that when he was there during the winter.

Pamela Jaye said...

I have a question - what did Jon do as "an IT analyst"?

He never went to school, did he? I doubt he's gotten ant certifications (I could be wrong) and once he said "I'll go back to making websites"

Where I come from, IT Analyst and Website Designer are very different jobs. (I might be able to make a basic website without flash, shockwave, javascript or advanced CSS, but if you ask me why your Windows Server 2003 isn't letting you do such and such, I'm not going to be sure enough to try fixing it (one day I correctly guessed that the reason accessing Peachtree remotely from the server was taking so damn long to do every little thing was that the server was on DHCP, and every time we tried to reach it, something somewhere was going out to the internet (which we were not connected to) to look for ...an IP address? a DNS server? something? before giving up, and doing what I asked for (and, even then, this is only cause we had a printer at my last job that did the same thing every time the internet was down)

so what is it? IT or Web Development?

Pamela Jaye said...

I just finished reading on the
eXaminer that TLC was miffed with Jon for wearing "unapproved" clothing while filming, causing the editing team to spend lots of time blurring things out. This is part of their case against him.


Kate uses a lot of blurred out products, I noticed. Perhaps she should be sued too ;-)

MomofFour said...

It's not that Kate couldn't support the kids on a nurse's salary. She "won't" support the kids on a nurse's salary. When she says they can't go back she means she "won't" go back. Easily, she could take what she has, pay off their major debts and live quite comfortably on what they have made. Thousands of families across this country have had more than 8 kids and have lived a good life. You don't have to be rich to be happy. Some of the happiest, most loving families I've known have very little. It's not the material things in life that make you happy, it's being happy with yourself that matters. Kate will never have enough to make her happy. She will always want more. If she doesn't figure this out she's in for a miserable life. Just wait until those kids grow up and realize the only money they got out of all this garbage they've been put thru is for college and the rest went to their mother's hairdresser and spa treatments.

goawayfools said...

TLC, who cares if you had to blur out Jon's tshirt? They're making a mountain out of something no one gives a crap about. If they were so uptight about the Ed Hardy shirt, why didn't they ask him to change before they filmed? I'll bet they didn't care until Jon wanted off the show and were looking for things to fault him on. Why didn't they sue Kate for being such a bitch that the crew would have to film all day for 15 minutes worth of footage? Sounds like a lot if extra work to me. TLC is grasping here

jibberjabbers said...

so what is it? IT or Web Development?

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Jon was an IT analyst for the Govt.. His "website design" could be for Bob Carson.

Also, In one of the show, it showed Jon "viewing" State Farm or All State's website.. So he probably did something for that insurance company for s short time.

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Anyways, what the hell did Kate do? Nothing. She worked 1 day on Saturday. lol

Question Reality said...

Are there any laws defining what 'reality' tv is? If there's 'truth in advertising' standards, does such a thing exist for 'reality' programs? Is there such a thing as fraud when scripting 'reality' and presenting it as a 'documentary'?

Sail Away said...

Jibber Jabbers said, "...Also, In one of the show, it showed Jon "viewing" State Farm or All State's website.. So he probably did something for that insurance company for s short time."

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I thought that scene with Jon stating 'my insurance guy wanted me to look at something...' was just another product placement for the insurance company that was advertising on J&K+8 - did I misinterpret this?

finally free said...

So your wife kicked you out, you're under the age of 30, and you were seen in the company of other women. So what?

In my book that isn't cheating or behaving inappropriatly. For eight hours try putting yourself in his shoes, caring for his children the way he did and living with a dictator. Go Jon Go. His sentence has been commuted. Find a loving partner, explore, take a deep breath and continue to be the parent your children look up to. Ky pastor had relevant words for Kate.

jibberjabbers said...

VanityFair....

Jon never wanted to do it, but Kate was the boss. According to Figure 8’s Bill Hayes, “you could see the friction [in their relationship] from the start.” And that made for good television. Jon & Kate quickly became the top-rated show on TLC, with an audience of between five and six million viewers. “We had a show that was rising in interest,” says Eileen O’Neill, “based on the unfiltered, sometimes cantankerous relationship of this couple with these eight beautiful children.” Often the production team would goad Jon and Kate into discussing their disagreements during their weekly couch sessions.

chesterctymom said...

Blogger Pamela Jaye said...

I just finished reading on the
eXaminer that TLC was miffed with Jon for wearing "unapproved" clothing while filming, causing the editing team to spend lots of time blurring things out. This is part of their case against him.


Thats interesting...why would clothing have to be approved in a reality show, especially the 'realist reality show' ever...

Megan said...

re: blurring Ed Hardy shirts

If someone in the industry knows better than I do - please correct me if I'm wrong. Here's my take on it.

If J is wearing a shirt that says Ed Hardy all over it, doesn't TLC have to get permission from Ed Hardy to show that on the air? Isn't it the same with other products? I know I've seen a few household and or food labels blurred on the show as well.

Sounds like TLC was getting b*tchy because they didn't want to go through the hassle of getting the proper permissions.

lukebandit said...

MomofFour said...
It's not that Kate couldn't support the kids on a nurse's salary. She "won't" support the kids on a nurse's salary. When she says they can't go back she means she "won't" go back. Easily, she could take what she has, pay off their major debts and live quite comfortably on what they have made. Thousands of families across this country have had more than 8 kids and have lived a good life. You don't have to be rich to be happy. Some of the happiest, most loving families I've known have very little. It's not the material things in life that make you happy, it's being happy with yourself that matters. Kate will never have enough to make her happy. She will always want more. If she doesn't figure this out she's in for a miserable life. Just wait until those kids grow up and realize the only money they got out of all this garbage they've been put thru is for college and the rest went to their mother's hairdresser and spa treatments.

ITA! if kate doesn't figure it out QUICK and do something NOW she is going to be in some deep stuff.
can you imagine being kate and your twins just turned 16 and the tups are 11 and i can't imagine how out of control they are going to be. mady and cara will have to work to get a car but they have been working for five seasons on TLC's #1 hit show, jon and kate PLUS 8!!

i can't understand why when they bought the McMansion why didn't kate and jon negotitate TLC BUYING AND PAYING FOR THE MCMANSION IN FULL AND SELLING IT TO KATE AND JON FOR ONE DOLLAR! the house would be paid off and have TLC PAY OFF THE E HOME! then they could get it fixed up ready to sell.
they should not have a mortgage on the manison, because that was TLC's studio/workplace.

TLC- torture's little children
TLC- tells lunatic cool (act anyway you want)
TLC- tiara's, lunatic channel

cottagequeso gal said...

Khate reminds me of some of the elementary school teachers my kids had....they'd clap their hands to get attention, raise their voice to be heard (aka screaming) and use the same type of phrases Khate would use with Jon. Basically the teachers would shame the children into behaving. I can still see Jon cringing at times while Khate would berate him.
Someone, anyone, needs to stuff a sock in this woman's mouth once and for all.
I don't know how Jon put up with that screaming neenie for one week, let alone 10 years. As far as I'm concerned he deserves a medal. The sad thing is that not only should he have not married Khate, but he surely shouldn't have had children with her. Not even one. I'm telling you, she's mental.

Jane in California said...

finally free said...
So your wife kicked you out, you're under the age of 30, and you were seen in the company of other women. So what?

In my book that isn't cheating or behaving inappropriatly. For eight hours try putting yourself in his shoes, caring for his children the way he did and living with a dictator. Go Jon Go. *snip*
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I agree. I am one of those who gives Jon some leeway, only because he had to endure living under Kate's thumb and dictatorship for nine years, and he also had to bear the large burden of caring for those children.

This is not meant meanly, but honestly, I see him almost like an Anna Nicole Smith. No real harm in him, but too darn dumb for his own good. His biological age places him in his mid 30's, but I think mentally he's about 13 years old, speaks and acts without thinking, and makes poor decisions. Yet he does love his children, and that simple yet basic emotion is what tips the scales more to his favor (in my opinion) that Kate.

amd said...

cheryl said...
I believe it was season 4, epi6 that Kate blasted Jon with the "don't you dare to talk over me". It was on one of the ugliest tapes. To me, that was it,
no respect, no conscious just plain
meanest.
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Here's the link...at the 47 second mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0edMWcVGf_k&feature=related

Jane in California said...

On another issue (and I hope this is the appropriate place), I just saw Kathy Griffin's latest stand up show, the one where she mentions Jon & Kate two or three times. I was thoroughly disgusted by the fact she said at least twice that "Kate is fine, she's okay" or words to that effect, and then proceeded to trash Jon thoroughly.

I was further disgusted by her discussion (thankfully brief) about one of the boys and how he might be "playing for our team" when he was older (implying he is gay). Leave kids alone Kathy - just leave them alone. The audience didn't really laugh at that either.

I am so turned off by her now. I have been a fan, but if she thinks Kate is a good person and Jon is all evil -- then I have a hard time justifying watching her. I will still watch if she doesn't mention them in future shows (let's hope not!). But her siding with Kate just turned my stomach. Sorry Kathy - but you basically lost a fan. I won't be going to your shows or buying your books, etc.

fidosmommy said...

chesterctymom said...
fidosmommy said.....

I just finished reading on the
eXaminer that TLC was miffed with Jon for wearing "unapproved" clothing while filming, causing the editing team to spend lots of time blurring things out. This is part of their case against him.


Thats interesting...why would clothing have to be approved in a reality show, especially the 'realist reality show' ever...

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Exactly! It's "real" except
- it is pre-planned,
- has a script for the kids to follow for intros,
- the production crew "goads" Jon and Kate to discuss certain things on the couch and do it in a certain way to gain interest,
- the principle characters are not allowed to wear just whatever they choose,
- they go places they admit they could not go otherwise
- the female principle mugs to the camera that she announced to the male principle he was supposed to pretend were not there
- The female principle doesn't have a "real" thing about her.

gimme a break, I sure deserve it said...

I have a great idea for a show for Kate. I think it would appeal to KateHaters and KateLovers alike. Every week the kids vote on which job Kate will work at this week. For example, will she work at McDonald's or be a nanny for a family? The kids vote and then Kate works the job. She will do anything for her kids, right? Kate is filmed and the kids are shown the footage and their reactions are filmed. They talk about how they think their mom did. Sometimes the viewers will be able to vote. I think this show would be a win for everyone.

Sail Away said...

Jibber Jabbers said, "Jon never wanted to do it, but Kate was the boss. According to Figure 8’s Bill Hayes, “you could see the friction [in their relationship] from the start.” And that made for good television. Jon & Kate quickly became the top-rated show on TLC, with an audience of between five and six million viewers. “We had a show that was rising in interest,” says Eileen O’Neill, “based on the unfiltered, sometimes cantankerous relationship of this couple with these eight beautiful children.” Often the production team would goad Jon and Kate into discussing their disagreements during their weekly couch sessions."

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Which explains why there will be some of this discord shown in the "Viewers' Favorite Moments".

TLC will exploit ANYTHING if it means increased ratings.

Shameful TV.

ellen said...

I think it would be unfortunate if Alred gets involved....too much a part of the lunatic fringe.I have worked in childrens' protective services and Alred seems like yet another fame whore As for Manicnarcisist's (sp?)comment. How can we imagine Kate acting like John unless we imagine Kate being treated the way she treated Jon? My favorite moment. When Kate looked a 1 of the twins lovingly and said "I'm staring at you.....I never get enough staring time.'
I grew weepy.

2badsosad said...

I find it extremely disturbing that TLC is so up in arms about the time they had to spend on editting/blurring Jon's un approved Ed Hardy logos but had absolutely no conscience when it came to filming and airing footage of a minor Gosselin child(ren) in various stages of undress including full frontal nudity?

MerylStreepIsNotWorried said...

Watching the Today Show just now and caught the "Kids Reporting" segment.

These kids were GOOD! Fun to watch, articulate, charismatic, and RELATABLE. They were able and WILLING to speak about things other than themselves (what a concept!).

Kate, Kate, Kate, girlfriend, give it up. Your total lack of skills, including basic likability, puts you in poor stead when competing even with 10 year olds.

Give up those dreams of continued TV, voice overs for cartoons, and (cough laugh cough) MOVIES. Girl, know your limits and accept them with a modicum of grace.

In short: go away.

LP said...

Radaronline and the discredit Jon machine are at it again. Today's story is bashing Jon becasue he took the kids on the ATV. Probably not the safest thing to do but my guess is that it was only for a photo op and that he wasn't endnagering any of them. This is something else that kHate will put in her "get full custody of the kids so TLC can continue to filem them - I mean because I'm the batter parent" bag of tricks.

cdnmom47 said...

Janine said:

A great show would be... If the kids could wear whatever clothes they wanted, rolled all over the vast front lawn, made mud pies, ran in circles throughout their house, made their own breakfast, lunch and dinner and their parents ate with them (on dishes), K8 stood back as the kids played with Jon and she smiled.They played with Play Doh and Crayons and markers, making a giant card. Made cupcakes using food coloring to learn how red and blue make purple. Eat the cupcakes. Made tents out of every blanket they own, tunneling through the entire downstairs. They would have a sleepover with their cousins and friends and eat pizza and junkfood while they watched the original Parent Trap on DVD. They could call it, Let Freedom Ring... (and they wouldn't have to trott off anywhere and see the dreaded "p" people)
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How well said, Janine! Sadly, though, those childrens' imaginations have been so stunted that they probably wouldn't know what to do with the blankets, and they'd be so upset at getting dirty that they wouldn't be able to enjoy it. That's what breaks my heart. The first five years of their lives will have SUCH an impact on the later years.

She's...um..RUINED said...

RO is slamming Jon again....tlc had to have hired someone *just* to ruin Jon.
How does anyone associated with this TLC show sleep at night?

The dollar is a powerful weapon.

Talk Show said...

Here's an article from Fox on those who have tried and failed on the talk show circut.

http://tinyurl.com/yj8nhb5

Katie Irene, at least when you fail you will be in good company!

goawayJandK said...

MerylStreepIsNotWorried-

Good comments, GREAT handle ! ha ha

observer/lurker said...

Regarding Jon and the ATV scandal-IMO it is one thing to have the kids on it with no helmet while on relatively flat terrain and going at a very slow speed. If he had been out climbing hills and jumping ditches, going at full speed that would have been another matter.

karma train said...

Just for kicks, I went to that 'other blog'.

I am amazed, that in this day and time, there are so many STUPID people. If all those 'kate lovers' are parents like kate, I feel sorry for their spouses and children.

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and an earlier poster was dead-on...how can TLC claim Jon has breached his contract, if it is a REALITY Show??? If he REALLY wears those clothes, and REALLY smokes, and REALLY doesn't want his kids filmed (which he said he didn't want the family to do a new season, ON TAPE), then where is the breach in contract for the REALITY SHOW???

Jon, I hope you get a judge that has a compassionate heart and a voice of reason, and can see right through TLC's and Kate's -use-the-kids plan....

Get enough money from her, get punitive damages from TLC, move those kids to Hawaii and fade into obscurity...there is a university there, get a degree, and get a job.

Let Kate be awarded TLC and whatever they can hash out.

Geri said...

gimme a break, I sure deserve it said...
I have a great idea for a show for Kate. I think it would appeal to KateHaters and KateLovers alike. Every week the kids vote on which job Kate will work at this week. For example, will she work at McDonald's or be a nanny for a family? The kids vote and then Kate works the job. She will do anything for her kids, right? Kate is filmed and the kids are shown the footage and their reactions are filmed. They talk about how they think their mom did. Sometimes the viewers will be able to vote. I think this show would be a win for everyone.

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This is a fabulous idea! Sadly I don't think it would be successful because it would require that Queene Kate actually *work*, and we know that ain't gonna happen.

mommadiane5 said...

Did anyone else see Saturday Night Live this weekend? I was in the country and missed it. But, I was watching the View this morning and they showed a clip of Taylor Swift pretending to be Kate on her publicity tour for no reason. I got a laugh out of it.

PA Woman said...

Question Reality said...
Are there any laws defining what 'reality' tv is? If there's 'truth in advertising' standards, does such a thing exist for 'reality' programs? Is there such a thing as fraud when scripting 'reality' and presenting it as a 'documentary'?

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But who would the fraud be against? It would be the viewing public. So, the viewers would have to file suit...but what are the viewers damages? There really are no damages we as viewers can claim so a fraud suit isn't going anywhere.

PA Woman said...

*WHAT IF* after all is said and done that the Gosselin kids wind up with all the money they truly earned in secure trust accounts with a third party as the trustee, not the parents!, and Jon and Kate are left with very little liquid funds?

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Verey unlikely. If the law suits you suggest all go through, there won't be any money left for the kids after attorney's fees, etc. It would only really help them on an future filming.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"But who would the fraud be against? It would be the viewing public. So, the viewers would have to file suit...but what are the viewers damages? There really are no damages we as viewers can claim so a fraud suit isn't going anywhere."


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I would think that if there were any fraud against an unsuspecting public in this case, a suit could be filed on behalf of all those who were duped into giving love offerings. These folks were led to believe that those collecting such funds were in dire need, in poverty, etc. Charges and suits have been brought against perpetrators doing this -- such as the woman who solicited donations because she claimed her child was dying of cancer. What would need to be done is for all of those people to get together and file a class action lawsuit. Most likely wouldn't happen at this point, but it could be done. In this case, the IRS also would get involved to determine if the money collected through offerings and from the selling of photos was ever reported.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

marie said...

I don't doubt that Kate and Jon's relationship was anything but healthy. I'm not sure I buy into the fact that he was abused though. He could have been, I'm not saying he was not. I'm just saying without knowing what he dished back at her off camera, I just can't judge their situation. I just have this gut feeling that he gave back just as well as he got, but he was just intelligent enough not to do it on camera. I've gotten this gut feeling from the way he treats the kids, grabbing arms, twisting ears, breaking sticks, etc.

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marie, I was nodding my head the entire time I read your post. I completely agree.


It has been my gut feeling all along that Jon wasn't as abused as he claims to be. I think that he was more aware of the public than Kate was and he was smart enough to keep his cool in front of the cameras.

The public will probably never know if Jon was or wasn't abused. We do not know how he treated Kate and his family off camera and he may not have been the doormat that he portrayed himself to be on camera (and he may have been...I have no clue). I'm just not jumping on the "Jon was abused" bandwagon because I saw evidence of his tantrums and I have no idea what happened when cameras were off.

Great post!

Go Away Gosselins! said...

emmasmommy said:

If Jon wanted to hit a bar, date a few fame seeking girls, go to St. Tropez, etc....he can. How is that neglecting his children????
He is very much a part of their lives and they love him soooo much. Their eyes beam when they see him.

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I agree that this wasn't neglecting his children but it was still awful behavior and it was still wrong. I completely think that Jon should be held at a different standard than the average joe. He is in the public eye therefore he should be a role model (for his kids sake). He chose to be in the public eye therefore he needs to be someone his kids can look up to. Jon's children's will always be able to Google him (he said it himself) and they will be able to see all of daddy's poor choices and that is going to be an awful thing to see.

It really ticks me off when "celebrities" whine and complain about how they have no privacy and how they belly-ache about how all their poor choices are caught in the media. You cannot have your cake and eat it too! They want the money and the fame but they don't want the lack of privacy and the higher accountability that goes along with it. Sorry about your luck but when you sign up to have your life in the public eye, you need to be willing to be a role model (esp. for kids) and you need to be willing to deal with the p people and everyone else.

LaZyDay said...

It's nice seeing my "beloved" celebrities gracing the pages of the weekly tabloids these days instead of the high road taker. I'm sure in her warped mind she feels like she accomplished something by making it that far. Ever notice how Britney, Paris, Nicole, Lindsay go on a hiatus...it's because people get sick of seeing their faces, she should try that out.

wramblinwreck said...

"I would think that if there were any fraud against an unsuspecting public in this case, a suit could be filed on behalf of all those who were duped into giving love offerings."
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I also think the churches may have grounds for suing the Gosselins, for misrepresenting themselves to their congregation. They were not the poor young family with a bunch of kids, struggling to make ends meet that they led the church/congretation to believe.

SAHM said...

I don't understand what TLC is wanting to accomplish w/ suing Jon for breach of contract?? Does anyone know what TLC wants Jon to do??? Are they wanting him to financially pay them back, are they asking for jail time, what exactly is TLC's goal in all of this???

I am too lazy to go researching all of this.

jibberjabbers said...

re: blurring Ed Hardy shirts

Sounds like TLC was getting b*tchy because they didn't want to go through the hassle of getting the proper permissions.

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Permission had nothing to do with it. TLC didn't want to "promote" the ED Hardy shirts and not have ED Hardy pay TLC some royalties.

The Ed Hardy designer was using Jon to promote his gear and TLC didn't like it.

And the only winner was Christian Audigier. Even though TLC blurred it out, we all knew what Jon was wearing.

Horrible, horrible decision by Jon though. Jon would look a lot better if he dressed business casual or even GQ. He would get a lot more respect at the same time.

Graphic T's and shorts. LOL

Snerk said...

don't understand what TLC is wanting to accomplish w/ suing Jon for breach of contract?? Does anyone know what TLC wants Jon to do??? Are they wanting him to financially pay them back, are they asking for jail time, what exactly is TLC's goal in all of this???


Jail time is for criminal cases not a civil suit such as this. TLC can only get money or some other "commodity or relief" such as Jon allowing the kids to film 10 shows, Jon pay TLC $x, or some other arrangement that they work out before a decision by the jury. If it goes to a jury, then about the only thing that they can award is monetary damages if anything. That is assuming that TLC has a case and the jury buys it.

ihatefrogstoo said...

During a Nov. 2 TLC special, she remarked, "Our goals just very much changed. Our visions changed. My goals didn't change as a mom. I just think somewhere along the line, his goals changed. They felt possibly detrimental to me, and possibly detrimental to me and the kids."

OK, Kate, explain that one. Our goals changed. My goals as a mom didn't. Then what goals of yours changed? Why then try to say it's because Jon's goals changed?

I think she was right in the beginning when she said "our goals." I think both their goals changed, diverged, and went downhill away from what little common ground they orginally had. She just had to blame Jon though.

Kat said...

"They want the money and the fame but they don't want the lack of privacy and the higher accountability that goes along with it."

Even better - TV and film stars can have *some* claim to privacy because they are only acting parts they are given to portray. Kate and Jon are in a "REALITY" show, meaning that it IS their life that creates their fame, so they have no grounds to whine about people wanting to see every aspect of their lives, not just the parts they want you to see.

marie said...

Go Away Gosselins! said...
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Hi there, I think you gave me credit for someone else's post

Unfortunately, I can seem to find the original post to give the writer props..

ihatefrogs said...

"I would think that if there were any fraud against an unsuspecting public in this case, a suit could be filed on behalf of all those who were duped into giving love offerings."
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I also think the churches may have grounds for suing the Gosselins, for misrepresenting themselves to their congregation. They were not the poor young family with a bunch of kids, struggling to make ends meet that they led the church/congretation to believe.

I absolutely agree! Clearly, J & K were receiving compenstation, monetarily and otherwise, per the terms and conditions of their TLC contract , as well as, receiving monies by way of passing the 'love offering' basket during their chuch speaking engagements. What J & K failed to disclose while pulling at the heart strings and 'crying poor' while speaking to their church audience is that they (J & K + CHILDREN ) were also under an exclusive contract with TLC that provided them with significant personal and financial reward!! Obviously, the speaking engagements were TLC 'approved' otherwise J & K would have been in breach of their contract. It has been said that 'reality contracts' typically include a percentage clause. I wonder how much $$$ TLC made from their percentage take of the 'love offering' basket!

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

"I agree. I am one of those who gives Jon some leeway, only because he had to endure living under Kate's thumb and dictatorship for nine years, and he also had to bear the large burden of caring for those children.

This is not meant meanly, but honestly, I see him almost like an Anna Nicole Smith. No real harm in him, but too darn dumb for his own good. His biological age places him in his mid 30's, but I think mentally he's about 13 years old, speaks and acts without thinking, and makes poor decisions. Yet he does love his children, and that simple yet basic emotion is what tips the scales more to his favor (in my opinion) that Kate."

Great post and I agree. I have to say those kids love him too; he definitely has the better relationship with them of the two.

EnjoyYOURSELF said...

And if TLC is reaching that much for something to air every week, I also vote for an episode of all the footage that ended up on the cutting room floor. Now THAT would bring in the ratings.

karma train said...

SAHM said...

I don't understand what TLC is wanting to accomplish w/ suing Jon for breach of contract?? Does anyone know what TLC wants Jon to do??? Are they wanting him to financially pay them back, are they asking for jail time, what exactly is TLC's goal in all of this???

I am too lazy to go researching all of this.

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ooh, let me. let me!!!!!!
this is an EASY one... TLC wants to break jon's bank acct, his spirit. They want him to sign away his kids to TLC so they can continue filming.

They don't care about jon one iota.he is just a bump in the road...on the way to the bank. in hell.

kathryn said...

Taylor Swift's portrayal of Khate was hilariously good - the way she enunciated her words with very little head movement. The overdone makeup. The hair, of course, that goes without saying...

tlcwearen'tstupid said...

I agree TLC is suing jon to FORCE him to let them film the kids again.

Trudy said...

"In a new interview with Entertainment Tonight, his "semi-single" girlfriend Hailey Glassman says that Kate Gosselin will be with the kids on the big day (along with bodyguard Steve Neild)."
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I wonder if that true about the bodyguard being with Kate on Thanksgiving?

jibberjabbers said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLKVynr3HUY

Regarding the ATV. Kate is NO better. Remember Dude Ranch? Kate took all 3 tups on the ATV and drove them at high speed.

Jon took at tups on the ATV and barely went 2mph.. LOL

Kate on the other hand, is dangerous. She even allowed the kids to STEER it while going at high speeds..

Im_in_PR said...

If it goes to a jury, then about the only thing that they can award is monetary damages if anything. That is assuming that TLC has a case and the jury buys it.

I so hope this goes to a jury and TLC tries to force Jon to allow the kids to be filmed again! Because that would be the essence of involuntary servitude for Jon (since he gets paid) and slavery for the children (since TLC never paid them a DIME.)

Amendment 13 - Slavery Abolished. Ratified 12/6/1865.


1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

PA Woman said...

Pa Mom Knows said...
"But who would the fraud be against? It would be the viewing public. So, the viewers would have to file suit...but what are the viewers damages? There really are no damages we as viewers can claim so a fraud suit isn't going anywhere."


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I would think that if there were any fraud against an unsuspecting public in this case, a suit could be filed on behalf of all those who were duped into giving love offerings.

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That's true, but I was speaking of the overall viewing public. What did they lose, an hour a week watching the show? The people giving "love offerings" are a much smaller group of people and would have to organize together for a class action suit to make it at all worth while. And what did they each contribute indiviually? $25, $50? What did they charge the churches? Originally it was $3,000 and probably went up. But even at $10,000 it's not going to cover lawyers fees.

I'm not saying people don't have a reason to be pissed. They do. I just don't think it is worth the time and money to file a suit. Unless you have contributed a substantial amount of money to them, a lawyer wouldn't even consider taking the case.

LP said...

You're right jibberjabbers I'd totally forgotten about kHate on the SUV with the boys at the dude ranch. That just goes to show how biased and on the TLC payroll radaronline is. I wonder if there's a way that we can point this out to them without becoming one of the commenters.

Natalie and Abigail said...

gimme a break, I sure deserve it said...

I have a great idea for a show for Kate. I think it would appeal to KateHaters and KateLovers alike. Every week the kids vote on which job Kate will work at this week. For example, will she work at McDonald's or be a nanny for a family? The kids vote and then Kate works the job. She will do anything for her kids, right? Kate is filmed and the kids are shown the footage and their reactions are filmed. They talk about how they think their mom did. Sometimes the viewers will be able to vote. I think this show would be a win for everyone.


I think this is brilliant. Wouldn't it be a hoot to see Kate working at McDonald's??? But, only if the people she works with can tell the real truth about what it was like to work with her and how much she complained the whole time.

Janine said...

I was just looking to see if there was any coverage of court proceedings and just how biased it would be (didn't see any yet) but there was an old photo of Jon on his 4 wheeler and one son on the seat and another running up (slowly). This was Radar Online. The story was very critical of Jon and practically called him a child abuser based on this one (misleading) photo. There were no helmets on the boys... and the vehicle was NOT MOVING. I guess from what I read, Radar likes to report things in a negative light. He was letting his son sit on the motionless ATV while another son came along side... Enough....

ATV said...

Jon - If you read this remember this post in case kate tries to use your taking the kids on the SUV against you:

jibberjabbers said...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLKVynr3HUY

Regarding the ATV. Kate is NO better. Remember Dude Ranch? Kate took all 3 tups on the ATV and drove them at high speed.

Jon took at tups on the ATV and barely went 2mph.. LOL

Kate on the other hand, is dangerous. She even allowed the kids to STEER it while going at high speeds..

Feeling Sorry for the 8 Kids said...

When Jon Gosselin met Levi Johnston (a.k.a. the guy who impregnated Sarah Palin's eldest daughter and who used to be engaged to that daughter until he high-tailed it after the 2008 elections).

http://www.dlisted.com/node/34750

Man, you really can't make this stuff up if you tried!

A viewer from Aust said...

amd said...
Here's the link...at the 47 second mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0edMWcVGf_k&feature=related

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Oh My I just watched it...

It's like he is a scared scared little child who is waiting for the slap to come.

I was an abused spouse, emotionally not physically, and still four years after my divorce, I am still trying to un-do all the abuse my spouse did to me...

Pamela Jaye said...

Also, In one of the show, it showed Jon "viewing" State Farm or All State's website.. So he probably did something for that insurance company for s short time.

(yes, this was *after* he was "employed")

however - if Jon was working as an IT person for Allstate by looking at their website, we all must be IT analysts for Blogger!
Funny, I don't see any checks coming in.

(actually he was, at that moment, employed as a promotional tool for Allstate. I guess Ken Jennings wasn't good enough)

Teresa said...

Youtube video of Steve and Kate holding hands. Here's the link to judge for yourself. Oh yes! There is something definitely going on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60sZ3qiO28

Janine said...

George Lopez on Ellen! Oh my goodness!
MUST SEE T.V.!
Ellen wanted to say something about K8 and George is BRILLIANT!
Ghetto T.V. said George. Ellen couldn't keep from cracking up and hid behind her mug/cup
Justice for all!!!
I think K8 spoke so (ahem) well on the show last week, every single tabloid said... oh 'no she didn't' and scrambled to remove her likeness from the public view.
can't wait for Paula Deen On Joy Behar... (if all goes well, Paula will do her own damage control and K8 will be relieved of her self imposed glory)

jibberjabbers said...

Teresa said...

Youtube video of Steve and Kate holding hands.

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LOL, looks like it but actually, it's just the angle of the picture.

Not to say they never held hands. A radio DJ did say he saw Kate and Steve hold hands at a Hotel.

Kate turned around and said she was having brunch with Steve's wife and that they were "best friends".

How many best friends does she go thru in the course of a year?

FCC Standards, Anyone? said...

re: legal question about fraud:

Just wondering if the FCC has any standards or rules that may apply to 'reality' tv?

There have been scandals where radio stations took $ to play certain songs to convince the listeners it was a favorite.

There have also been game shows busted for being rigged.

I don't know if, in either case, any individual could prove 'damages', so just wondering if the FCC might have ANYTHING at all in the way of standards regarding 'reality' programming?

jibberjabbers said...

Via VanityFair

"Often the production team would goad Jon and Kate into discussing their disagreements during their weekly couch sessions."


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Looks like TLC was EGGING J&K to bicker on TV for ratings. And Kate claims the show didn't play a role in the breaking of their marriage.

The show wasn't only detrimental to the kids, but also the marriage. And if Kate is DENYING that, then we now know why she refuses to go to therapy.

Kate isn't afraid of heights anymore. But she is afraid of the truth.

nanb said...

ROL is saying that Jon plans to sue TLC for $5 million.
Can't wait to read those court papers.

jibberjabbers said...

nanb said...

ROL is saying that Jon plans to sue TLC for $5 million.
Can't wait to read those court papers.

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Interesting. Why not make it 8 million? One for each kid. Play with the "symbolism" that Kate likes to do.

CanK8spell"Symbolism"? said...

Jibber Jabbers said, "Interesting. Why not make it 8 million? One for each kid. Play with the "symbolism" that Kate likes to do."

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GOOD ONE! Thanks for the lol!

Kate Fears Facts said...

Jibber Jabbers said, "...Kate isn't afraid of heights anymore. But she is afraid of the truth.'

Wow, well said, Jabbers. Another one of your great posts.

Expositor said...

The show wasn't only detrimental to the kids, but also the marriage. And if Kate is DENYING that, then we now know why she refuses to go to therapy.

Ya'll, in all honesty, I'd just like to say that while Jon looked like the much better parent, can you imagine how unhappy Kate was married to him? She wasn't sorry to see that marriage go, that was probably one of her happiest days when she realized she could jettison the dead weight, keep her show and carry on without him.

I'm not saying it was right or honorable, but a marriage to Jon Gosselin must have been hell on earth.

And yes, I bet it was hell on him too.

I've never seen such an untenable marriage. Especially when they booted their Christianity. They had nothing at all to hold them together any more.

Expositor said...

Also, In one of the show, it showed Jon "viewing" State Farm or All State's website.. So he probably did something for that insurance company for s short time.

I remember that, but it was Jon saying that his agent called and said he needed to check out some additional coverage for the family. Not that Jon was working for them.

Snerk said...

Can we all shout in chorus "Product Placement?"

SuzieO said...

I remember that Allstate close up on Jon's video because it was so obvious, Jon is such a bad actor... "oh, I'll be ready to go in a minute as soon as I look at something my agent asked me to look at. Then a close up of his computer screen with Allstate home page and then it went to commercial and guess what?? It was an Allstate commercial.

fidosmommy said...

Expositor said...
Also, In one of the show, it showed Jon "viewing" State Farm or All State's website.. So he probably did something for that insurance company for s short time.

I remember that, but it was Jon saying that his agent called and said he needed to check out some additional coverage for the family. Not that Jon was working for them.


Snerk said...
Can we all shout in chorus "Product Placement?"

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Yes indeed we can, Snerk. And an AMEN to boot. It was an unbelievably awkward moment, IMO.
Really badly conceived idea, and the end result was simply laughable.

As I recall, it was a motorcycle insurance page Jon was looking at.
It was just about the time that the OCC show was being taped, and
Jon had been "promised" a bike.

Janet said...

I just saw that a woman in Texas claimed to have cancer. People donated thousands to her to helpo pay for treatmemts. Guess what? She didn't have cancer and wanted money to get a boob job.

She was arrested and charged with "theft by deception".

Jon and Kate claimed they were broke and people donated to them so they could provide basics for the kids. They have since used the money to feed their own desires.

Why can't they be charged with theft by deception?? Please let someone quietly be gathering evidence and information to charge them soon.

Teresa said...

Cheryl said(or AMD)...was season 4 pt6 when K8 blasted Jon ( when l saw him put his hands to his face and his knees came up into a self protection mode. Nope! wasn't that Episode. Can't think which epi it was but l will continue searching for the one l mean. I know it was about the same time as epi 6 though.

Suzi said...

Janine - George Lopez was great on Ellen and the best part was the way the audience cheered when he dissed Jon & Kate. I do believe the tide has turned. :)

jibberjabbers said...

As I recall, it was a motorcycle insurance page Jon was looking at.
It was just about the time that the OCC show was being taped, and
Jon had been "promised" a bike.

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LOL, no, it was way before the OCC thing.

From what I remember, it was not a motorcyucle page.

Anyone know what episode this was?

Season 3 or 4?

A vierwer from Aust said...

jibberjabbers said...
As I recall, it was a motorcycle insurance page Jon was looking at.
It was just about the time that the OCC show was being taped, and
Jon had been "promised" a bike.

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LOL, no, it was way before the OCC thing.

From what I remember, it was not a motorcyucle page.

Anyone know what episode this was?

Season 3 or 4?
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If I recall correctly, it was the globtrotters (or how ever you spell it) ep.

I only remember that, because it was the last ep that I watched! lol

anotherthing... said...

"Cooking with Kate": The Creation of the Next Great Cooking Super Star

Step 1: Call TLC and demand a chef
Step 2: Belittle and redicule chef
Step 3: Shovel food into mouth with elbows in table
Step 4: Throw grapes and crakers on a paper plate for kids (later feed them the chefs dinner)
Step 5: Struggle through making a boxed cake
Step 6: Claim a proper chef doesnt use receipes
Step 7: Claim the 'Flag Cake' as your original creation; also, 'Monkey Munch' (both created using receipes because of the extreme difficulty of the dishes)
Step 8: Write cook book

jibberjabbers said...

Ok, yep, you were correct. Jon said, "I had to get a lot of work done". Then the camera zoomed in and it was for a motorcycle insurance.

Vanessa said...

Oh and Janet,
Khate got a boob job with her stolen money too! :)

For the Moment? said...

The bike guys made Jon a custom bike and TLC took it away from him because he was being "bad." That show was a fraud. I am surprised they didn't take the "roof jewelry" off after the handy guy stole the show from Kate and she was so ungrateful..saving the earth just doesn't fit into her scheme of things.

Concerned said...

Am sincerely praying for all those sweet little ones....for the Lord's hand of protection upon them. The way they are being exploited is horrendous. Their lives are being ruined, and for what? Because people are greedy and they lust after money. Money itself is not the problem. The greed and lust for it is the root of all kinds of evil.

I used to buy in to their garbage. Not anymore. I am not buying into anything being showed on TLC, among other networks. People are blinded. I see all of this for the sham that it is, and I am sickened and disgusted, to say the least.


The demise of the likes of TLC and the people they exploit, the lies, the hypocrisy, will come. Not just the Gosselins, but all the other families-the Duggars, the Roloffs, Jen and Bill, the Hayes, etc.- whom, for whatever their reasons were to allow TLC or anyone else to come film them- and are being falsely portrayed-not realistically portrayed. Come on, how can anyone possibly believe? It is so unrealistic. Not only are people who participate in these shows being exploited, they are also being thrown into contrived, set up, created situations for the drama and excitement. Why? So people can get a thrill? So people can feel better about themselves? No--for greed and lust for money. I am sincerely praying for a speedy end to it all.

So Phoney said...

To any lawyers out there. I have a question.

If the contract with TLC is signed by both Jon and Kate, how can TLC just sue Jon. I mean wouldn't they have to sue all the parties to the contract, both Jon and Kate.

If they are trying to bankrupt Jon, aren't they also going to bankrupt Kate.

I assume all their property (houses, cars etc) are in both their names because after all they are still married. That means any monitary judgement they might get would have to be paid from both Jon & Kate.

Just my thoughts. Idean anyone?

bedonenow said...

Re: The Allstate Ins Product Placement epi: as I recall, it caused such an uproar when it first aired (realist reality our butts) that either TLC or Allstate issued a statement that "Jon and Kate are fans of their agent..." which was so stupid it caused a massive eye-role among the human species. Does anyone else recall that statement?

LB said...

Have anyone seen this clip of Kathy Griffin making fun of KON? I couldn't hear it very well on my computer so I hope she did it very well.

http://television.aol.com/tvtop5/cutting-down-kate-kathy-griffin-balls-of-steel/48014337001

Be Careful What You Wish For said...

A snip from the ROL article about Jon countersuing TLC: "One fact that neither side has addressed publicly is the cost of this litigation. Williams & Connolly is widely regarded as one of the best law firms in the country and has a reputation for "scorched earth" tactics, meaning that opponents rarely are left with any secrets by the time the discovery process is over."
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They had better watch what they are doing as they may be opening the door for all the dirty little secrets to come to light. I'm sure that TLC and kate have just as much (if not more) to hide than Jon with how much he has made from different appearances.

jibberjabbers said...

A case of narcissism.

"I" think the best part was when "I" had the boys on "my" 4-wheeler with "me" and let them steer.

She mentions herself 4 times in 1 sentence. LOL

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