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Canadian Mom said...

I think Kate is s-l-o-w-l-y going away...

Not much news about her (Thank U God for listening to us!)

She must be literally going mad without all of TLC's planned outings...

Tami said...

So she goes to the park and has them all line up and hold hands as if that is a natural way to walk, goes to Dunkin Donuts for organic donuts (ha) and then to Starbucks just for attention! I notice she is still forcing the kids to hold their arms up in the air in some sort of torture hold just to hold her hand also. I also saw some stupid thing where TLC is confirming she has new show.

Tami said...

Lohan is turning on Jon and next it will be Hailley. He should have never trusted all these freaks. You can't tell me this is all coincidence and that is not one big orchestrated plan from TLC. They paid people off for sure. Some probably got in his inner circle just to stab him in the back when TLC knew a lawsuit was coming. Look at how rather than everything happening at once, things are thrown out there one by one as if it is a battle plan of some sort. Now they are attacking from the flank, etc. Just when something happens to make Hate look bad, another thing comes out of the woodwork like a grenade being launched to take the attention off of her. It is being designed so he never has a chance to relax or get his life back together. One by one everyone is coming forward and it all sounds like such BS--contracts with Lohan (that he has mentioned before and even then they sounded like nothing) that were never SIGNED, stupid scribbled contracts with Kate.2 that were never brought up before when she complained about Jon and just prove that SHE already broke it by talking about him in the first place, etc. What a bunch of garbage!

Skeptical Viewer said...

Oprah Winfrey created her new network, OWN, in partnership with Discovery Communications, and it's now been confirmed that OWN will replace the Discovery Health network. Since TLC is part of Discovery, I'm assuming this means that Oprah will be behind Kate's new show.

What is it about Kate and the support of powerful people? This is a bigger mystery to me than the cultlike behavior of Kate's mega-fans (the ones who mimic her behavior and attempt to duplicate her haircut). I just don't get it -- at least not now that Kate is on a downward spiral in terms of public support, ratings, earnings power, etc.

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

Oh, but Jon is in deep chit according to ROL.......

Geri said...

Canadian Mom said...
I think Kate is s-l-o-w-l-y going away...

Not much news about her (Thank U God for listening to us!)

She must be literally going mad without all of TLC's planned outings...

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She said she didn't like going hither, thither, and yon so she should be happy now! Tee hee!

Min/El said...

Canadian Mom said...
I think Kate is s-l-o-w-l-y going away...

Not much news about her (Thank U God for listening to us!)

She must be literally going mad without all of TLC's planned outings...

Actually, I think Kate is staying out of the media purposefully. She finally gets it and I'm sure she has learned by watching Jon's many missteps that he is gradually hanging himself. She realizes the harm that media can do. Jon's true side has REALLY come out for all to see. I hope that Kate gets full custody, gets the kids into therapy and gets herself therapy.>

mamaK said...

Just wondering, with TLC giving Kate a new show, wouldn't that be considered a conflict of interest as far as the old contract goes? That it was because of her show that TLC kept her in the spot light doing appearances and such, but because they had no future vested interest in Jon they hung him out to dry? I wonder if they would have let her go on and on like she did if they had not already started production on her new show. It's not like what she had to say was not as harmful to the "Jon and Kate Plus Eight" image as what Jon said...

Geri said...

I can't remember which thread I was reading when my computer blipped off but wanted to answer a question I read:
What episode did Kate say she hadn't been in the twins' room for months?
The answer is School Days episode. It aired not too long ago. Kate took all the kids to their first day of school and proceeded to go up to the twins' bedroom to clean it. Hollering the whole time and pitching things down the stairs. Classic Kate.

Miss Brown Betti said...

Kate would you please give us a rare treat and goooo away?

realitybites said...

What's left for Kate to talk about?
The 'wedding ring', the 'high road', 'keeping the peace', 30 week bed rest??? Although I am certain she isnt done blaming Jon, or any one else that doesnt 'understand' her, has 'changed' or 'didnt know how to help' for everything and anything that hasnt, didnt or doesnt go HER own way in life. The Kate Gosselin pity me party isnt over yet!

Minka's Tail said...

I like Oprah, but I question her judgment about people sometimes. One of the people she loves--a writer for her magazine, someone she features prominently as an expert--seems to be a very shady character. (She wrote a couple of memoirs that were very questionable, but she was never called to the carpet like James Frey was.) I've also heard people on her show say things that should have been questioned but weren't, especially in self-help topics.

I think Oprah is very susceptible to magnetic people, and Kate probably is very charming to those she wants something from. When she doesn't need you anymore is when she turns evil.

If Jon had simply left Kate, told his tale that the separation was her idea, and then stayed the hell away from slutty women, it would be over for her. But everyone thinks she was cheated on, and that gives her a lot of sympathy.

In the Barn said...

@Alana... re: Maslow's Theory of Actualization:

You are not alone! For whatever it's worth, I feel the same - I enjoy the conversations here about major issues like mental illness, child exploitation, spousal abuse, exploitation of religion with a phony pandering to the religious base audience, hypocrisy, the pathetic genre of 'reality programming'.

The gossipy stuff and Team Kate vs. Team Jon is of no interest to me.

Kate's lack of fashion finesse is of little interest to me as well, except as it seems symptomatic of her basic lack of depth, sophistication, intelligence & her hypocrisy of 'everything for my children' while she blows through the bucks made by those children on nouveau riche things for herself.

So, you are not alone in wanting to read and discuss the heavier issues.

One nice thing about this blog is that latitude is give for many discuss a myriad of topcs they find interesting, so to each, his/her own.

But my personal favorite topics are noted above.

Just wanted you to know you're not alone on this one, and I enjoy your insightful posts.

NoUse4Kate said...

Min/El said:

"I hope that Kate gets full custody, gets the kids into therapy and gets herself therapy"


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I agree that they ALL need therapy but hoping that k8 gets full custody of the children is like hoping the worst for these kids. I don't understand how anyone could hope that.

Give Me A Break said...

Seriously, how many skewed articles can Radar Online print- negative Jon, always positive for Kate. TLC has Radar Online in their pocket, and they could not be any more abvious.

True Journalism requires neutrality, none of which goes on with Radar Online. Jon is no saint, but neither is Kate!

Dunwoody Mom said...

Seriously, how many skewed articles can Radar Online print- negative Jon, always positive for Kate. TLC has Radar Online in their pocket, and they could not be any more abvious.

Well, ROL is gossip website - no more than that. Only real whackos, aka Baby Mama, would believe anything on one of these websites. These websites are paid by PR firms to carry stories about their clients.

Give Me A Break said...

I forgot to add that many of us have seen through Kate's lies, and her high road crap, but everything she does always seems to be all about her keeping herself in the spotlight. As she views herself as a celebrity, that needs to continue to be in the spotlight, often as a victim. Irony. Anyway, Kate's choices and personality took things to where they are at now.

As for Jon, once Kate advised him she wanted to split, he has made some very bad choices. Selfish, yes. He has also expressed an interest in continuing in the spotlight.

I don't think anyone cares what either Jon or Kate do alone, just LEAE THE KIDS OFF CAMERA.

Aside from all of this, now that they have gotten their "popularity" off their kids, let's see if anyone really has any interest in either of these two alone. I could care less what either does alone, with kids off camera, but they both seem to think they are marketable alone. I highly doubt this, but if they choose to spend time on their own self interests as opposed to spending time with their kids, we shall once again see what these two are all about. HELLLLLLLOOO- There is a thing called a local 9-5job, which is probably what should have occurred while they did this show if they really were looking out for their kids.

the scoop said...

Here we go! The big reconciliation announcement soon to come: Jon took her Kate a dozen roses to arbitration hearing! ITS STARTING! Watch for the big announcement around Thanksgiving or Christmas!
Then I'll do the I-Told-Ya-So dance....

my9cats said...

Went to B&N and food store last night.
What a rare treat. No pictures of KON to assault my senses. Oh joy!!

Andrea said...

Is there SERIOUSLY a COUNTDOWN to the Jon & Kate Plus 8 Series Finale in the lower right-hand corner on TLC???????????? Get over yourselves!

ErinKate said...

the scoop: Yes I agree. I have always thought the last year of living dangerously for Jon has all been a ruse, designed to drum up ratings for what was always to be their last year of filming before Kate got her own show. All these strange women coming in and out of Jon's life all of a sudden then just as sudden disappear? Trips to France, Hawaii, a pad in NYC all out of the blue? And now everything has stopped cold turkey? All of these lawsuits daily? Where are all of the paparazzi these days? Not camped out front of the house anymore? Very interesting but brilliant scheme.

Joplin said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC? Since this debacle, I'm pretty much turned off to all things TLC. I watch a lot more A&E and USA now. USA has better scripted shows and as for A&E, they may have drug addicts, obsessive compulsives (true, OCs; not Kate's made up OCD that she uses to excuse her abuse) and hoarders, but at least those people know they have problems. I'm pretty disappointed in TLC. They haven't given me anything to learn from in a long time.

Fed Up said...

Yep, Jon brought Kate dead roses to court. Now it truly is "War of the Roses". And Kate's spikes are gone. Smooth highlighted hair. A perfect couple. AWWW, they are both starting over & working things out & going back to the way they used to be. Gag me with a wooden spoon. This is so sick. WTF

Pattypanda said...

At least Kate's hair doesn't look like a turkey's butt today. Must be in honor of Thanksgiving.

Jane in California said...

Min/El said:
Jon's true side has REALLY come out for all to see. I hope that Kate gets full custody, gets the kids into therapy and gets herself therapy.>
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What side of Jon are you referring to? It was pretty clear through all the seasons of this show that Jon isn't the brightest bulb in the box. What was equally clear is that he did the lion's share of taking care of those children from day one, even when he worked full time out of the home.

Jon and Kate are separated and if he chooses to date silly young women, so be it. That's not evil, it's just more dumbness.

I don't think either parent will be awarded 100% custodial custody, but if it were to happen, it should be awarded to the parent who has consistently been the hands on parent in raising and caring for those 8 kids, and that would be Jon, the likeable and kind dumbass. Not the queen of mean.

Lucy said...

I agree with Joplin. I don't watch TLC anymore ... I'd rather do bowel surgery with a stick in the woods ... that would be more entertaining than watching TLC exploit children (any children/toddlers/monkey babies whatever!), little people, a chopper family in a newly stressed relationship between father and son, cake boss and his loving but fighting family ... oh it goes on and on. TOXIC LEGACY CHANNEL !! It makes me sick! I have found A&E, the Travel and Golf channels and a lot more "healthy" networks to watch.

Jane in California said...

the scoop said:
Then I'll do the I-Told-Ya-So dance....

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You mean, you'll gloat and load it over all of us, if this happens? Would you be happy to see them reconcile, and if so, why?

PutASockInIt said...

Don't red roses signify LOVE? Gag, puke.

fidosmommy said...

Let's see if there are any pictures of somebody walking out of the courtroom with a big bouquet of fresh red roses.
If not, I guess they either weren't for Kate or they got dumped in the trash.

CiCi said...

Quote:
I agree with Joplin. I don't watch TLC anymore ... I'd rather do bowel surgery with a stick in the woods ... that would be more entertaining than watching TLC

Lucy! OMG girl I am dying over here~ LOL

Thanks for making my day!

she is evil said...

Min/El, why do you want Kate to get full custody of the kids? No matter what you may think of Jon, don't you think those kids need both parents in their lives? And truth be told, I doubt Kate wants full custody of the kids anyway. She wants full control of them, sure, but can't be bothered with the actual taking care of them part. Kate is too self involved and obsessed with a career in tv to be a full time mother to eight. And in my opinion, Jon is by far the better parent. Those kids would have a sad, joyless life without him.

Skeptical Viewer said...

Regarding speculation here that J&K might be about to reconcile . . .

Yes, Jon brought roses to the arbitration meeting, but Kate left without them; reports are that she refused to accept them so Jon just left them in the room. And if you look at the RO photos of them exiting the meeting, Kate seems way too ticked off to be close to taking her husband back.

(Jon, on the other hand, is grinning, and in one photo his attorney is flashing the victory sign.)

Hard to Keep Loving Jon said...

The devil made me watch the re-run of the Emeril show...

Khate's behavior was even more despicable than I'd remembered. Her snarky comments toward Jon (and Emeril) never let up. And the sight of those darling children wearing bibs and eating off prison plates was disgusting. How could any woman relate to her?
Why would someone think she was worth listening to or watching?

GoPoshGo said...

fidosmommy said...
Let's see if there are any pictures of somebody walking out of the courtroom with a big bouquet of fresh red roses.

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Hopefully the thorns were left on, to pop her inflated ego.

Also, what's up with the totally slicked down possum today???? Either her lawyers advised her to tone down the porcupine in order to appear "softer," or Jon dumped a bucket of water on Kate in hopes of "liquidating" the witch.

groovymom00 said...

I think she looked downright frumpy in the ROL pictures. What happened to the excessive cleavage and mini skirts with the thong sticking out? And no Flock of Seagulls hair either?? Methinks it's either because the lawyers told her to cool it for court, or it could be because Stevie-boi wasn't around so no point in flashing her melons and spikes.

Amy2 said...

TMZ.com is reporting Jon isn't contesting custody arrangement. Snipet of article below. Here's the link
http://www.tmz.com/

"Jon and Kate Gosselin's divorce is heading to a conclusion, after a contentious day today at the arbitration table. We've learned even Jon isn't contesting that Kate should get primary custody and a decision on who gets what in the money department will be handed down within 30 days."

For the Moment? said...

I don't understand how they can come down on Jon so hard. Afterall Kate shot a pilot for another network and nothing was ever said about that. She wrote two books and got a substantial amount of revenue from those. I am wondering if TLC might not have gotten a piece of those books.

Those studid Jon contracts especially the Kate wannabe were totally worthless. Looks like something Jon might have done just to stop her from begging. He and his lawywer should have known that Lohan was trouble but no. He needed a friend and he trusted him. What in the world did Lohan do as far as landing him any work? He can't even make money for himself. But yet he says he got paid..for what? What did TLC and Kate expect Jon to do...starve? Kate had all the money and when he did try to access it he had to give it back. I hope he gets some good lawyers behind him..and some child advocates. Let's all hope and pray he has that little piece of paper that Jody and Kevin spoke about..that would show that the entire show and contract was a fraud and thereby nonbinding.

Oprah coming on board might be a good thing. But my understanding is that Discovery Health will no longer be a part of the Discovery network and that she will own that piece of the pie outright. I can't see her being part of a team or having anyone else tell her how to run her network.

I can't help but think if these people that are behind Kate (besides TLC) ever watched the show and saw the way she really was they would hang her from the highest tree.

For the Moment? said...

OMG, surely he is not going to let her have primary custody! Why change the joint custody agreement they already have. I just don't believe he would give that up. He has no rights to stop anything to do with the kids if he does that. Where is Glorida Allred. It thought she was coming in on this.

KittyKat said...

Sorry, not to flood...

Someone..

Explain.

Jon brings flowers?

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/11/exclusive-jon-gosselin-brings-flowers-kate-arbitration-meeting

shawna said...

the scoop said...
Here we go! The big reconciliation announcement soon to come: Jon took her Kate a dozen roses to arbitration hearing! ITS STARTING! Watch for the big announcement around Thanksgiving or Christmas!
Then I'll do the I-Told-Ya-So dance....
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I agree! I have felt this way for a long time. It has been leading up to this for a few months.

For the Moment? said...

I looked at the pics on ROL. Again I am always drawn to her feet...they looked so pinched in her shoes. She must buy them a size too small. Now I know where Kate's Big Flinstone Toe got her name. I didn't see any pictures of Jon..did he wear a suit?

Shoshanna said...

Let's play "How Many Mistakes Can You Count in
One Sentence," featuring the Gosselin-related
blog by Dr. Lillian Glass:

"If he really anted to apologize to her, instead of
telling doing it in Rabbi Shmuleys form and on every media venue, doing an “Apology Tour,” he need to do it privately."

Hopeless.

For the Moment? said...

I found the other pics from court..I wish he had of dressed up. He looks really nice in a suit. I wonder what happened that Kate came out looking like...well...Khate and her lawyers didn't look happy either. On the other hand Jon and his lawyer were all smiles. What is up with that I wonder.

Denise said...

Let's hope Jon didn't back down on filming.

dustilies said...

We've learned even Jon isn't contesting that Kate should get primary custody

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OK, it is TMZ not the NYT, but if this is true, it makes me very sad for the kids. Not just that they will be mostly under Kate's control, but that their Dad didn't fight for them.

I know custody battles are hard on kids, but my dad basically walked away from the whole process with me. He later fought for my four younger brothers, but not my older brother and me. Maybe he knew he had burned his bridges with his older kids, but it bothers me to this day that he didn't assert his parental rights with me and my older brother. (My mom allowed visitation whenever he felt like it--which wasn't that often).

Sorry, I know I'm projecting, but I just hope Jon makes some kind of statement about his choices for the legal record that the kids will find comforting in their later years. Certainly, there are lots of reasons to avoid a custody battle, but he just needs to articulate that he is taking the, er, high road. so he doesn't leave the impression that he doesn't want to be with his kids.

DeadRoses said...

Skeptical Viewer said...
Regarding speculation here that J&K might be about to reconcile . . .
Yes, Jon brought roses to the arbitration meeting, but Kate left without them; reports are that she refused to accept them so Jon just left them in the room. And if you look at the RO photos of them exiting the meeting, Kate seems way too ticked off to be close to taking her husband back.

(Jon, on the other hand, is grinning, and in one photo his attorney is flashing the victory sign.)
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I see someone else posted that Jon did not contest Kate's request for primary custody. Not knowing family law in PA, I don't know exactly what "primary" custody means. It could be that the children will still split their time 50/50 with the parents, but that Kate has authority to make "primary" decisions for them, such as health care, schooling, etc.

I'd be curious to learn exactly what being a primary parent means in PA.

If Jon was smiling and Kate was glaring, sounds like things didn't go all her way.

And no victory dance from the scoop yet about a reconciliation.

Hope for Jon said...

DeadRoses said: "I see someone else posted that Jon did not contest Kate's request for primary custody. Not knowing family law in PA, I don't know exactly what "primary" custody means. It could be that the children will still split their time 50/50 with the parents, but that Kate has authority to make "primary" decisions for them, such as health care, schooling, etc."

I've usually heard of it being the other way around - kids living primarily with one parent (physical custody) but both parents having a 50/50 say re major decisions about the children's upbringing (joint legal custody).

I hate to say it, but men often like this arrangement. The mother has most of the day to day work of caring for the kids, but the dads get equal say in things like schooling (and I would guess in this case, whether the children participate in a reality show.)

It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is what happened here. Kate wanting "primary custody" not understanding at first that it doesn't always give her primary decision making power. And Jon wanting an equal say, but less time taking care of the kids.

We'll have to wait and see how it all pans out...

livnluv said...

For the Moment? said...
OMG, surely he is not going to let her have primary custody! Why change the joint custody agreement they already have. I just don't believe he would give that up. He has no rights to stop anything to do with the kids if he does that. Where is Glorida Allred. It thought she was coming in on this.
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That's not necessarily true. Although I don't know the laws in PA, I know that when my son divorced he had residential custody of his son, ex-wife had weekly visitation and yet both made joint decisions on major issues, health, education etc. Eventually the mom had only supervised visitation and yet still had rights in decision making for the child. Only when my son filed to have the mom's parental rights severed did she no longer have a say....or a child.

Skeptical Viewer said...

Apologies if someone has already posted this -- but Heller is now reporting that today's arbitration settled all outstanding issues and the J&K divorce will be finalized by the end of the year.

Can't See Sheep said...

Tami said...
Lohan is turning on Jon and next it will be Hailley.
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Who doesn't Lohan turn on, the man will sell out anyone, he's constantly chasing after dollars signs, real or delusional. Hopefully it won't nail Jon too badly, but who knows, Lohan will sell anyone out if he thinks he can angle cash out of someone or something. Too bad we still don't send people out into exile, it'd be good for mr. lohan.


Pattypanda said...

At least Kate's hair doesn't look like a turkey's butt today. Must be in honor of Thanksgiving.
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Maybe she was afraid of getting shot for Thanksgiving dinner, not all those hunters take a good look at what they're shooting as evidenced by all the bright day glo blankets put on black & white cows in deer hunting season in some areas.

Can't See Sheep said...

Joplin said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC? Since this debacle, I'm pretty much turned off to all things TLC.
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I've tried, but I'm like you, I'm pretty turned off TLC. I find a lot of it revolting, they use their tabloid angle far, far too much. Not an innocent or educating look, more a creepy stalker, I steal undies peeping & pimping of people.

I've tried watching the Hayes, I wanted to see how that mom handles all of it, especially with the little girl having MS (if one of kates had this or anything remotely like it, she'd have had a mental collapse long ago, I don't believe for a moment she has the mentality required to deal with any of her children being unwell in any way, because the moment they are the attention goes to them & well katie doesn't seem to like that.)

But I fear for these people. TLC's formula seems to be that when viewers start to drift away you send them on a trip or something & I wonder how long & will they go for it, or will they tell TLC if it's over it's over, time to end it.

Child exploitation is still a problem & I don't know what the laws are like in their state & if they're abiding by them or not. If they are then fine, if not then we'll need a Hayes without pity site.

jasmine said...

Just because Kate will have primary custody of the children, doesn't mean that Jon has given up any parental rights. If Kate needs the kids to continue filming the show to support her lifestyle and Jon doesn't give his consent, no PA family court judge will side in Kate's favor.

Shoshanna said...

Just saw the baseball episode. It's the first time in a loooooong time I've seen those kids acting and looking like happy 5-year-olds - talking excitedly,
laughing with each other, being silly.

For all his faults, Jon lets them be kids. He lets them
eat like normal kids do when they go to a baseball game. He doesn't care if they get a dot of ketchup
on their clothes. He lets them breathe - which Mommy Dearest never would.

I hope and pray that, during the arbitation, he retained all his parental rights because, flawed
as he may be, Jon is the only bit of sanity they've
ever had in their little lives!

Hope for Jon said...

Earlier I wrote: "I've usually heard of it being the other way around - kids living primarily with one parent (physical custody) but both parents having a 50/50 say re major decisions about the children's upbringing (joint legal custody).

I hate to say it, but men often like this arrangement. The mother has most of the day to day work of caring for the kids, but the dads get equal say in things like schooling (and I would guess in this case, whether the children participate in a reality show.)"

Reflecting on it further, it occurs to me that this arrangement would probably really suit Jon. Often men try to gain joint physical custody (in addition to joint legal) in part, to lower their child support payments.

In Jon's case, he has no job. So probably little in the way of child support will be required of him, at least at this point. So he gets the best of both worlds (from his perspective0 - low CS payments, less of the day-to-day care, but equal say in major decisions.

It pains me to say it, b/c I do like to see him interact with his kids. There is real warmth and caring there. But we all remember him resenting their role reversal (him staying home, her earning the book & speaking paycheck), saying something along the lines of it's not the best role for a man.

And we remember him pissing and moaning about how he lost his twenties, how hard it was to be the father of so many at such a young age.

I do feel a modicum of sympathy for him b/c he didn't want all those kids. He appears to be weak and easily led and she clearly dominated him.

But, on the other hand, those kids are here now and they need him . . .

Shoshanna said...

I hope that Kate will have to pay Jon alimony.

I was told by an attorney that alimony is supposed to make it possible to continue whatever the arrangement was during the course of the marriage.
So - during the course of their marriage, Jon mostly
took care of the kids and Kate was the "breadwinner" (although we all know that the kids were really
the breadwinners here).

Supposedly, the details have been sealed. Will we
ever know the details??

Can't See Sheep said...

Hope for Jon said...
But we all remember him resenting their role reversal (him staying home, her earning the book & speaking paycheck), saying something along the lines of it's not the best role for a man.
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I got the impression that kate was pretty down on Jon during this time as well & he was also worrying about her and mr. neild. I bet if she called home once in awhile, let Jon know he's the only man for her, thanked him for doing this (quitting his job & staying home so she could pursue her dream.) & let him know that he was doing an excellent job with the kids, it would have gone a lot better.

I get the feeling with Jon that a little praise can stretch for miles, he just wanted to be appreciated & feel secure about his wife still loving him & not some other man. Jon is not a horribly complex individual & he's shown that, few other men would have put up with that abuse for that long. Like anyone else in this world the man just wanted to be loved, he wasn't asking her for the moon & being his wife, what's the big deal about doing these things anyway?

It costs nothing to do any of what I suggested other than the long distance calls. which they should be able to handle. Treat the man, take him out, you know, like husband's do with their wives to let them know they appreciate them & all that they do for them & their family. Arrange a little get away weekend, treat him like he's the centre of her life. Why do people behave like this is far too much effort, I really don't get it, why is it effort to show your spouse how much they mean to you??

Get a female bodyguard instead of the one that's happy to carry purses, what's he going to do, hit people with them, I mean honestly, how unprofessional of him. You don't see the secret service men carrying around the first lady's purse for a reason, they're doing a job, they're protecting her, not behaving like a whipped husband or pack mule to be schlepped along in her wake.

Boo said...

What's going to happen to the bodyguard. Will he still be around or has he moved on to another job.

I think he cant be undercover for anyone. We all know what he looks like.

Anna said...

Shoshanna said...
I hope that Kate will have to pay Jon alimony.

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Heller said neither party asked for spousal support so no alimony in either direction is likely. And there is no reason for their to be alimony. Jon doesn't need to be supported especialy since he had a problem feeling good about himself when she was the one out working and he was at home. He needs to work and not live off his ex-wife.

He also did not ask for joint physical custody. That suggests he does not want to go back to the way it was before when he was home with the kids.

LP said...

Rebecca Hayes has cerebral palsy not MS.

Can't See Sheep said...

LP said...

Rebecca Hayes has cerebral palsy not MS.
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Apologies, I stand corrected.

Tami said...

I'm sure the roses are not going to mean anything in the long run. It's just Jon trying to get favor or attention, especially now that idiotic Hailly won't shut up with her "subtle" little digs. I don't believe for a second J & K will ever get back together. She seems to be winning the little war of the roses anyway. Maybe he was making some little joke about that movie.

Tami said...

Joplin said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC? Since this debacle, I'm pretty much turned off to all things TLC.
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I don't watch it much at all and if I do it's just flipping channels quickly. I don't even watch Baby Story and I used to like that. I got sick of seeing them give almost every woman a c-section because she didn't have the baby in a couple of hours on someone's time table. And that stupid 'I didn't know I was pregnant' with the voiceover constantly saying "and then miraculously, without any pain medication whatsoever, she gave birth", as if pain meds are a requirement for a healthy baby.I just don't like many of the shows at all now when I used to love Trading Spaces, etc. It's all about icky medical stories or exploiting kids and little people now. No thanks. And what is with showing Say Yes to the Dress 100 times a day?

ManicNarcissism said...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-marmel/jon-gosselin-can-go-back_b_358332.html

Funny article.

logical said...

i think jon took the roses as a 'im taking the high road' jab and kate turning them down showed just what road she is on...

For the Moment? said...

For the Moment? said...
OMG, surely he is not going to let her have primary custody! Why change the joint custody agreement they already have. I just don't believe he would give that up. He has no rights to stop anything to do with the kids if he does that. Where is Glorida Allred. It thought she was coming in on this.
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That's not necessarily true. Although I don't know the laws in PA, I know that when my son divorced he had residential custody of his son, ex-wife had weekly visitation and yet both made joint decisions on major issues, health, education etc. Eventually the mom had only supervised visitation and yet still had rights in decision making for the child. Only when my son filed to have the mom's parental rights severed did she no longer have a say....or a child.

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Thanks Livnluv,

I about had a heart attack. Thank God! I don't want him to ever lose the protection he can give the kids. He is the more level-headed of the two but very nieve and pliable. I had been out all day and thought I would check on the news and was stunned at all the developments. Just when you think things are slowing down.....

NoUse4Kate said...

Joplin said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC?


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Nope! I gave them up, even Moving Up with Doug. I loved that show, but f*ck TLC!

Dunwoody Mom said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC? Since this debacle, I'm pretty much turned off to all things TLC.

Nope. The Gosselin Saga pretty much turned me off. I loved Cake Boss, but I just can't stomach knowing that it's really all scripted as well.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Sorry, I know I'm projecting, but I just hope Jon makes some kind of statement about his choices for the legal record that the kids will find comforting in their later years. Certainly, there are lots of reasons to avoid a custody battle, but he just needs to articulate that he is taking the, er, high road. so he doesn't leave the impression that he doesn't want to be with his kids.

Why does the public need to know this? Those kids know which parents love them - it's evident in the joy in their faces when they are with Jon versus the downtrodden beaten looks they have with Kate. Those kids don't need something in the "public record" from their father - children are smart, they know who love them.

can't stand her said...

Why do some people think Jon is out of money? He and Kate no longer have regular paychecks coming in from the show, but they have lots in the bank ( over $100,000, maybe a lot more) + marital assets. Jon is entitled to half of everything. I think that's why Kate looked so bad yesterday and he so happy. I think somehow Kate felt most/all of the money is hers because she's a greedy controlling bitch. It finally took a legal arbitration to convince her otherwise. I'll bet you anything she fully expected to keep all the money she's stashed away "for the kids" and felt entitled to more money than Jon. They should soon be on equal footing financially and their futures are theirs to decide.

pogo said...

Kate did exploit those kids, for her own self gain. If any of you want to know how kids from TV shows ended up, look up Paul Petersen. He was a child actor, who now heads the protection of child actors. Hey, also read about Danny Bonaduce, how his abusive father, help make the person Danny is today. You think Kates kids are gonna be any different. They are gonna need therapy. And for this: how is Kate gonna support them PLEASE! she made over a million dollars on her books/appearances etc, plus she has lots of bank accounts, she even said on one of the talk shows the kids were college set. Theres the 1.1 million house, how many of you have that. Plus all the other un-necessary expenses, she makes. (bodyguard, nannies, cooks, maids, landscapers) course we don't know which are/were paid by TLC. This whole thing she has about taking the kids out or to church is BS. Gee how many people out there who have large families have a nanny to help. I live near a Jewish Fundementalist community inwhich they have large numbers of children (5-10 kids) and the Mother has no problem taking all her kids from NB to 14 or older to the store, these kids are well behaved and there is no nanny with or other relatives. What is Kates excuse? Her excuse is she does not know her kids or spend enough time with them. She is a part-time parent, she can not call herself a single mom raising 8 kids, cause she is not. There is JOn who has them half if not more than she does(Her book tours), Nannies, and people like that one who died, who probably know thoses kids better than kate know them. Gee she did not see Cara & Maddies room for a long time(hint). I do hope her & TLC don't try the this is a new contract and put the kids back on TV. Then they should take thoses kids from her.

Amy2 said...

Here's my speculation, and only speculation, on the primary custody agreement. Kate said she wanted more kids, Jon did not. Kate portrays herself as a great mother, she's gone a lot from home leaving the not-the-nannies to parent. Kate "got" Jon to quit his job, to help Kate at home. IMO I don't think Jon wanted to parent 24/7. Since Kate was gone being a celebrity with all the perks, Jon was the 100% parent. Yet Kate said she was.

With the primary custody going to Kate, Jon forces Kate to stay at home more often, explain why she's not parenting her kids to the media, admit she has help. Though not sure how long that's going to last once TLC dumps her. Jon gets to be the weekend Dad. Loving the kids on weekends as divorced Dads do. He gets his freedom back and clips Kate's wings.

How can Kate make money now? She does the Paula Dean show, she has to travel. She does the Kate, me, myself and I show, she'll probably have to travel. And Jon can continue to keep the kids off TLC and any future shows. He can also restrict the kids travel outside of PA, putting in the custody agreement that he must approve travel.

IMO this is Jon's strategy to gain his freedom and make Kate face the reality of parenting that she has so successfully managed to avoid all these years.

What's lost in all this strategizing are the kids. Who will actual parent the child. I know. The Nanny.

Nancy said...

Kate getting primary custody doesn't mean that she will make all decisions. It doesn't even mean that Jon doesn't have joint custody. In my divorce, we had joint custody and i was considered the primary custodian. That just meant I was the main physical custodian. My ex still had joint decision making power and tons of custody time. I don't see what the big deal is.

she is evil said...

Amy2, you may be right. And it's sad that Kate would consider taking care of her own kids punishment. And in some ways I don't blame Jon. He must be so sick of listening to Kate say how she does everything for the kids, when she can barely be bothered with the kids. In fact, she is an absentee parent even if she's standing in the same room as those kids. So strange. I've never seen less maternal drive. And you rightly point out that the kids suffer for all of this; for Kate forcing Jon to have more kids than he wanted, for Kate having more kids than SHE wanted (were it not for the paycheck they provide), for Jon being immature and beaten down and wanting some Jon time, for both of them not putting the kids first.

Jane in California said...

Scoop said:
Then I'll do the I-Told-Ya-So dance....
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Scoop -- I'm sorry if I offended you by my comments. It's hard to convey tone when posting on a message board, but when I read your remark, I wondered if you were actually hoping you could be proven right, tell us all "I told you so" full well knowing what a catastrophe that would mean for these 8 children.

But I'm sure you'd actually rather be proven wrong :)

If these two reconcile, and put the children back on the air, we'd all be so terribly sad for the kids.

We will just have to agree to disagree. You are certain this is all a scam and J&K will reconcile for ratings. I am fairly certain that Kate has been a horrible shrew to Jon during their marriage and he just wants out.

It's a lot of expense and negative publicity for a long shot scam. If they did reconcile, the ones who would make out like bandits would be the late night comics and SNL writers.

The reason I come to the blog and post is not because I care about what happens to or between Kate & Jon. It's because eight innocent children's lives have been permanently altered by the choices their parents made. Their privacy invaded, their lives turned upside down, their most embarrassing moments made public fodder. That's why I post here -- because I think that's wrong. I think it's wrong for parents to make their children work to support them. I think parents should be responsible from the get go, and only have the number of children they can financially support.

What ever sort of mess two adults want to make of their lives is their business. But dragging innocent children through it is just wrong. I'm sure at the least, you and I agree on that :)

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

I wonder if Kate "sobbed" all the way home from arbitration? She looked very unhappy. Reason: She is now stuck with those kids she pays no attention to, unless cameras are rolling, stuck with them full-time now. She LOVES taking her little trips alone for weeks at a time to get away from them, I'm sure. Maybe she'll drag 'em to the spa, like she did with Cara.

2badsosad said...

OMG, surely he is not going to let her have primary custody! Why change the joint custody agreement they already have. I just don't believe he would give that up. He has no rights to stop anything to do with the kids if he does that. Where is Glorida Allred. It thought she was coming in on this.

Kate having primary custody of the children does NOT mean that Jon has forfeited his parental rights as a father. Even though Kate has been designated as the PRIMARY custodial parent does not mean a joint custody arrangement does not exist. Just because Jon is not the primary custodial parent does not mean that Kate can unilaterally make ANY and ALL decisions regarding the children without Jon's consent. Primary custodial parent = parent with whom the children primarily reside. The children's primary residence is at the Konpound with parent Kate. As it has been since J & K announced their divorce.

ErinKate said...

Jane in Cali: Why would two parents who reconcile for the sake of their 8 children be a bad thing?

I agree with Scoop, this is all a fake. I have been saying for months this has been carefully planned. All of it, the Steve as boyfriend angle, Jon with 4 girlfriends at once (and now as he gets close to divorce he has no girlfriend) all the running around being followed by paparazzi who are now part of Kate's dialogue on the couch. I hope whoever thought of this gets a big raise from TLC.Jon and Kate, as producers, are raking in big bucks this season thanks to all of use bloggers.So is Just Jared, Radar Online, Z on TV, etc.

Elvira said...

I want a full page apology from all the conspiracy theorists next June. :)

Jane in California said...

ErinKate asked me:

Jane in Cali: Why would two parents who reconcile for the sake of their 8 children be a bad thing?

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I never said that generically, it would be bad if two parents reconciled for the sake of their kids. I said specifically that if J&K reconciled, under the proposed scam that scoop outlined, then put those kids back to work on reality tv, it would be a catastrophe for those children, and thus A BAD THING.

If you think that this reality tv show has been good for this family and specifically for the kids, then you will not agree with my point of view.

I happen to think that if they had once a year specials, it would have been okay. If Kate hadn't been motivated by greed and lust for money, fame and personal body guards, she wouldn't have milked her own children like prize cows and made them work, work, work.

Just to be clear -- it's cool with me if you and scoop think this is all a scam for ratings. And if you or anyone else is hoping to come back in six months and gloat that you were right all along -- well, I don't really know what to say to that.

You seem to think J&K are somehow raking in big bucks right now, more than their contract already provides for. If you have proof of that, besides idle speculation, I would most certainly like to see that proof. J&K have already made a ton of money from this show, and from the books Kate supposedly wrote, from love offerings and paid speaking engagements. However, there has be absolutely no proof that either one of them is getting paid by any tabloid.

I say again - if you or anyone has proof they are getting paid by tabloids, please present it. If not, then it is only speculation and shouldn't be stated as proven fact.

I hope this blog doesn't descend into infighting. It's not an attack if I don't agree with your perspective. However, if I think someone is making claims without proof, I will point that out.

Dunwoody Mom said...

OMG, surely he is not going to let her have primary custody! Why change the joint custody agreement they already have. I just don't believe he would give that up. He has no rights to stop anything to do with the kids if he does that.

That's not true. Kate would only have total control of the children if she had sole custody. Kate only has the right to make sole decisions in case of an emergency. Primary custody does not remove any of Jon's rights as a parent.

Deborah said...

Hmm... I do love conspiracy theories. haha. This one had never dawned on me though. Probably don't follow it enough to pick up on the mentioned evidence.

At any rate, the two girls looked so HAPPY when they were at the movies with Jon.

Skeptical Viewer said...

Jane in California said, "J&K have already made a ton of money from this show, and from the books Kate supposedly wrote."

As I've said before, I doubt Kate made a lot of money on her books. Most publishing contracts favor the publisher (despite the best efforts of good agents), and most authors don't make as much money as they want the public to believe.

Plus let's not forget that Kate holds the copyright on "Multiple Blessings" jointly with Beth.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Primary custody is not the same as sole custody. Custody has many nuances. One parent, even in a joint parenting situation, usually has primary physical custody, with the other parent having an equal say in all other areas of child rearing (schooling, religion, medical decisions - and yes, in this case, I would presume, whether or not the children will be allowed to appear on future reality programming).

jibberjabbers said...

Mady is staring to dress like Kate.

Mady,Cara, Kate at Target

Pilgrim Soul said...

I think it's disgusting the way Kate has played the martyr throughout this whole charade. She kicked Jon to the curb. His behavior only deteriorated after that point. He was a good father who took so much crap from Kate... I had the way she acts like a single mom with a philandering ex. More sham.

For the Moment? said...

Thank you!

To all for clearing that up for me about the custody. I about choked my diet pepsi when I first read that...was about to panic. I really care about those kids and want them to be protected. I am glad to know that it won't be the way I was thinking.

For some reason on the other shows with multiples and lots of kids I try to watch and just can't get into them because I don't feel like I know the kids. It was Jan I think that produced those first many shows that enabled us all to get attached to the kids...

livnluv said...

ErinKate said...
Jane in Cali: Why would two parents who reconcile for the sake of their 8 children be a bad thing?

I agree with Scoop, this is all a fake. I have been saying for months this has been carefully planned. All of it, the Steve as boyfriend angle, Jon with 4 girlfriends at once (and now as he gets close to divorce he has no girlfriend) all the running around being followed by paparazzi who are now part of Kate's dialogue on the couch. I hope whoever thought of this gets a big raise from TLC.Jon and Kate, as producers, are raking in big bucks this season thanks to all of use bloggers.So is Just Jared, Radar Online, Z on TV, etc.
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How do the TLC lawsuits, and Jon's counter lawsuit figure into your conspiracy theory? Are the courts in on the ruse or are they being duped like the rest of us? And do you think there might be something illegal about using the justice system to perpetuate a conspiracy?

jasmine said...

I'm not going with the conspiracy theory. I think the divorce is real and there will be no reconciliation. The only reconciliation in the near future will be regarding finances, taxes, and the divorce settlement. Hopefully, the children being in therapy will be part of the final custody agreement.

hannah w said...

jibberjabbers said...

Mady is staring to dress like Kate.

Mady,Cara, Kate at Target

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Because she's wearing a skirt? I don't get what you see? I see nothing wrong with what Mady has on in the picture.

she is evil said...

The conspiracy theory has a big glitch IMO. The hostility is the one thing about Kate that seems genuine. And it's strange because if anyone should be hostile, it's Jon. Also, how could anyone believe Jon, or anyone else for that matter, would sign up to be with Kate again? The man can finally breathe in peace!

GoPoshGo said...

WHO is letting Kate leave the house looking like this?

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/32170/2009/11/kate-gosselin-runs-errands-mady-and-cara

Orange "pleather" jacket, boob-showcasing purple top, "skinny" denim jeans (that are NOT living up to their name, BTW), and strappy hot pink heals??????

I'm no fashion expert, but I think Stacy & Clinton would have a collective coronary upon seeing this photo. Completely ill-matched colors and styles. I'd love to hear the Sheeples' rationalizations around this hot mess of an outfit.

Oh, and Malibu Barbi called, Kate. She wants her shoes back.

KyPastor said...

livnluv said...
ErinKate said...
I agree with Scoop, this is all a fake. I have been saying for months this has been carefully planned. All of it, the Steve as boyfriend angle,


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The Steve as boyfriend angle was not something Kate came out and announced, so it could hardly be part of a scam. The public saw them together and made assumptions. If there is a conspiracy going on,
the public is complicit with it by creating its own conclusions without any real facts.

Just because two people are seen together a lot does not mean they are in a relationship. They MAY be, but it's not a given. I can use my own job as an example of spending a lot of time with certain people and it's completely
professional from start to finish.

MomofFour said...

This is the first time I've been on this site in over a week. That's a good sign. In fact...the less traffic on this site and others is a sure sign they Gosselins are not significant and getting less so every day.

I look at all TLC/Discover shows through different eyes now. I see the "placed" items and I see the cutting and pasting they do (Deadliest Catch is the WORST). I don't believe what I see anymore. If anything this site has opened my eyes to television. The news is just as bad. Politics...even worse.

Midnight Serenade said...

"I agree with Scoop, this is all a fake. I have been saying for months this has been carefully planned. All of it, the Steve as boyfriend angle,"

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And what part to the children play in this scam? Do they know about it? All eight of them have kept quiet and not spilled the beans? If they don't know about it, when is it going to be revealed to them? Are the parents (and TLC) so heartless as to perpetrate a fraud such as this on eight little kids, making them believe that their mommy and daddy aren't going to be together forever and that they will be products of a "broken home?"

When the divorce is final at the end of the year, will it still be a scam? Will the reconciliation be sometime next year, with a marriage renewal ceremony in South Korean, where they can discover their roots? Will TLC, the Gosselins and their attorneys all be cited for screwing with the United States judicial system (the divorce, the lawsuits). I wonder what fine will be levied on them. Should be interesting!

SaNdY said...

I apologize if this has been posted already but Paul Petersen has a post (not sure when it was posted) on his website 'A Minor Consideration' called 'the Bad Made Worse'...it is a warning to the Hayes parents (Table for Twelve) about child labor laws...here's an excerpt: 'You owe it to your children to become informed about the world you are entering, Mr. and Mrs. Hayes. The Industry is not obligated to educate you. In fact, it is in the Industry's economic interest to keep you in the dark as long as possible.'
Let's hope and pray that this family avoids the destruction that the Gosselin family is going through..

MickeyMcKean said...

"We've learned even Jon isn't contesting that Kate should get primary custody"

Primary custody, also known as residential or physical custody, can be one parent or joint - it usually depends if the kids are going back and forth from two homes. This situation works best when both parents are local.

In this case, the G kids are staying in the PA home at all times. So when Jon has visitation he comes to the PA house, the kids do not go with him to NYC.

So Kate getting primary custody is a no brainer - it makes sense. Note: primary custody is not sole or full custody - Kate cannot decide to continue to film the kids without Jon's permission.

I'm also sure that Jon and Kate have joint custody so issues re school, doctors, etc. are joint decisions.

For more information re custody and the different types, just google "legal custody".

goawayfools said...

Re: Kate + Steve. I agree with KY pastor that the public made lots of assumptions about these two that may or may not be true. It didn't help that the tabloids fanned the flames, Kate was lukewarm in her denials, and Steve never said a thing. I think Kate is attracted to Steve (not necessarily romantically) because he makes her look good/important in her mind. Steve has been a bodyguard to presidents, CEOs, and celebrities and Kate's ego would love her to be as important as his other clients. Also, the speculation that a handsome, happily married man would be overcome with desire and in love with Kate also feeds her ego...even if it's not true. Remember, a year or two ago, Kate was still a dumpy mom in acrylic sweaters. She loves that anyone would believe Steve could be attracted to her. What Kate fails to realize is that despite the diets, workouts, plastic surgery, tanning, manicures, creative dentistry, and slutty outfits, she's still ugly once she opens her mouth.

LiLo said...

How many fewer pictures of Kate would there be if she lived in a state where she didn't have to pump her own gas? Or found one with full-serve?

Go Away Gosselins! said...

Another example of Kate doing or saying ANYTHING for attention.

She giggled and batted her pretty little eyes at Dr. Oz on The View while telling him about how she NEVER allows her children to eat junk food. It went on and on...as if she wanted him to jump up and down for her wonderful parenting skills since she feeds her kids nothing but healthy, organic foods. Her kids don't even know what Doritos are (yeah right).

Then we see Kate taking the kids to get Starbucks frapps (do you know how much sugar is in one of those? Google it for Nutrition Info...wow) and Dunkin Donuts donuts. Now ordinarily I wouldn't criticize anyone for giving their kids a treat but when someone goes on and on with their holier than thou attitude about how their kids never eat junk food and then get caught doing so....I draw the line.

Go away Kate....NEVER come back!

Pamela Jaye said...

I have a group on my DVR labeled KEEP. So I decided to peek and see what's in there. One thing was a Jon &Kate: How We Got Here.

After watching their wedding ceremony I wondered - does anyone remember what their vows were (the first time)?
Too bad someone somewhere didn't write them down. Maybe there is a clip on youtube? It's funny

Kate promises, among other things, to support and encourage, always be there for him... honor him

(someone forgot to teach her the meaning of the word "promise" apparently)

Jon is worthy of almost complete quote:
As I've stared into your eyes, I found myself lost in you (yup. totally)
I would like to thank you for accepting me for who I am

a. lost little boy
b. Kate accepting Jon for who he is?? If there weren't so many duck feathers on my floor I would get down and roll on it. Okay, that wasn't a "Vow" but... I wonder how long it took her to stop "accepting" him (and believing in him)

Just wow...
And as far as *I* know, which may not be far, these were *their* vows, not the default ones.

Do you think that rolling my eyes this much could be detrimental?

Pamela Jaye said...

Discovery Health is going away? Darn, I will miss Mystery Diagnosis (except for all those weird closeups of the narrators' eyes)

Pamela Jaye said...

Kate didn't even go to the twins' room to *clean* it, she only went to get their laundry - and she *found* that it would require excavation.* What mom doesn't visit her 8 year olds (at the time) rooms for months?
Oh, right.

*granted, this was Kate's idea of a mess and should not be confused with any normal person's idea of a mess.

Canadian Mom said...

GoPoshGo - You are laugh out loud funny!

Malibu Barbie, indeed!

Speaking of dolls, funny TLC never made dolls representing each child...

They'd have made (another) fortune!

Pamela Jaye said...

So Jon wants to continue his TV career, though last season he most certainly didn't want to continue the show - and possibly didn't want to be on TV at all. Perhaps I misheard.

Can't See Sheep said...

jibberjabbers said...

Mady is staring to dress like Kate.

Mady,Cara, Kate at Target
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Mady's bound to be the little fashion plate, she's into fashion & things like that it's just the way she is, just like Cara is more sports oriented & not so likely to be a clothes horse or little fashionista. I don't see that it's especially like kate. She may try to mimic mommy because mommy picks out her clothes or because mommy's image is so very dominate in her young life right now. I'm stopping because I really shouldn't know any of this about children I have never met.

the scoop said...

livnluv said...
RE: your conspiracy theory? Are the courts in on the ruse or are they being duped like the rest of us? And do you think there might be something illegal about using the justice system to perpetuate a conspiracy?
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People go to court everyday, people file for divorce everyday, and more importantly, people RECONCILE everyday. The courts have no clue of a J&K scam. I'm sure theyve put enough money aside for court/lawyer fees, but it will be just so easy to say, "Hey, we're getting back together now"

1momski said...

I was alarmed at that pic of Kate and the twins too. Kate looks even more "out there" than ever. Pink strappy heals with jeans and it's November to boot! Maybe you would wear those heels in the summer to a wedding. I shouldn't mention wedding here though.
I was a little taken back by Maddy's short skirt and dress shoes. My first thought was well Sunday, maybe they had gone to church-not likely with Kate looking and acting as she does.
I have always had a soft spot for Maddy and have thought her acting out was out of distress for living in that hell hole that was supposed to be a family. I am concerned that she is copying her Mother's outfits in a way to get her approval/attention.
Kate looked really mad leaving the court house on Sat and I can only hope she did not get her way where the children are concerned(filming) It is just like her to go out prancing on Sunday to show the world she is not defeated. This woman is a monster and I think there will be dancing in the streets without heels when this show is finally, really, done!!!!

the scoop said...

can't stand her said...
Why do some people think Jon is out of money?
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Did you see TMZ over the weekend??
Host Harvey Levin's jaw dropped! They had a clip of Jon in Hawaii, walking/talking with a paparazzi-friend, then Jon walked toward the water and the pap then pretended to scrouch down, pretending to hide, Jon was walking on the beach making it look like the pap was taking secret pictures! It was all set-up? Jon gets cash for those pictures! He is scraping the bottom of the barrel now! Harvey said "Jon will soon be the next Joey Buttefuco"

the scoop said...

Midnight Serenade said...
Are the parents (and TLC) so heartless as to perpetrate a fraud such as this on eight little kids
_________

$imple answer: YE$
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Midnight Serenade said...
Will TLC, the Gosselins and their attorneys all be cited for screwing with the United States judicial system
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No one is "screwing" with the judicial system. People reconcile everyday! Even after almost divorcing and paying legal fees.

Maude said...

Kate can't even read a voice-over without sounding like a robot, but we're supposed to believe she's a good enough actor to pull off a scam separation/divorce.

It just doesn't compute for me.

Sidney said...

goawayfools said... (snip)

... What Kate fails to realize is that despite the diets, workouts, plastic surgery, tanning, manicures, creative dentistry, and slutty outfits, she's still ugly once she opens her mouth.

11/22/2009 8:44 PM

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Well said!

That is why the majority of us simply cannot see her "beauty." It just ain't there once you really see her in action.

Sidney said...

GoPoshGo said...
WHO is letting Kate leave the house looking like this?

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/32170/2009/11/kate-gosselin-runs-errands-mady-and-cara

Orange "pleather" jacket, boob-showcasing purple top, "skinny" denim jeans (that are NOT living up to their name, BTW), and strappy hot pink heals??????

I'm no fashion expert, but I think Stacy & Clinton would have a collective coronary upon seeing this photo. Completely ill-matched colors and styles. I'd love to hear the Sheeples' rationalizations around this hot mess of an outfit.

Oh, and Malibu Barbi called, Kate. She wants her shoes back.

11/22/2009 5:26 PM

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What a hoot! I love it! I do so hope this woman never gets a stylist. She is such a clown!

Merrilee said...

Skeptical Viewer said...
Jane in California said, "J&K have already made a ton of money from this show, and from the books Kate supposedly wrote."

As I've said before, I doubt Kate made a lot of money on her books. Most publishing contracts favor the publisher (despite the best efforts of good agents), and most authors don't make as much money as they want the public to believe.

Plus let's not forget that Kate holds the copyright on "Multiple Blessings" jointly with Beth.

11/22/2009 3:21 PM
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On one of the shows where Jon made an appearance, didn't he say that Kate made a $million on her books?

Sidney said...

fidosmommy said...
Let's see if there are any pictures of somebody walking out of the courtroom with a big bouquet of fresh red roses.
If not, I guess they either weren't for Kate or they got dumped in the trash.

11/21/2009 2:03 PM
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Those roses didn't look fresh to me. And they were wrapped with a mile of saran wrap. I think he bought them at the grocery store a day or so ago.

hehehehahahahehehe ...

Well, it's the thought that counts!

hahahehehehehahah!

Sissy said...

Joplin said...

Does anyone bother watching the other shows on TLC? Since this debacle, I'm pretty much turned off to all things TLC.
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I used to watch TLC almost exclusively. My husband once asked me if that was the only channel that worked on our TV.

I have stopped watching the "side show" exploitation they do, however, last night I did watch the show about the two dwarf parents that had a new baby, Charlie.

My goodness, it really is so difficult for these little people to take care of their "normal" sized baby. Bless their hearts.

I really wanted to see how they handled being parents, especially since the mother is really quite handicapped by leg complications caused by her dwarfism.

That show might be the new "J&K".

I don't know, but that mom could easily move into real problems, as she does put her husband down a lot.

In last night's episode, they did laugh about it, but so did J&K when their show was new.

I was uncomfortable at how often she was quite verbally irritated with him.

I don't know if this will be a series or if it was a one time show.

How Come? said...

Interesting, but I felt much less anamosity toward Kate with her slicked-down hair. How silly, but I did.

fidosmommy said...

I wonder if Steve, Gina and sons have been invited back to the house. since they're such great friends of Kate's.

I don't care if they're friends or not, really. I think the Nields were "planted" at the house that day by TLC.

zee said...

Can't See Sheep said..

Pattypanda said...

At least Kate's hair doesn't look like a turkey's butt today. Must be in honor of Thanksgiving.
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Maybe she was afraid of getting shot for Thanksgiving dinner, not all those hunters take a good look at what they're shooting as evidenced by all the bright day glo blankets put on black & white cows in deer hunting season in some areas.
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ROTFL!!! Bingo!!!

Not Watching TLC said...

I agree that this started at as a scam... but I think it has spun out of their control. Let us just hope that if it was a fraud, that Jon has enjoyed too much freedom to come back.

Just because lawsuits are filed, doesn't mean they will be carried through. I wonder if the TLC lawsuit isn't because Jon decided not to continue with the rules of the PR fraud that TLC had laid out and that he had originally agreed too?

In my crystal ball... see Khate's new show on Oprah's network. See the kids brought on occasionally or old footage shown of them on her new show to keep the family spin going. Jon will be paid to be with his kids and keep quiet.

Accountant said...

J&K probably have more going out right now than they have coming in (money wise). As far as her making millions off "her" books, unless you are a Stephen King, Patricial Cornwell, J.K. Rowlings, etc. you are not going to make that much off your books. How many printings did they do of Multiple Blessings? My guess is only one. Did it go into paperback? Trust me, with the expensive house (and the one that hasn't sold), the kids tuition, the hired help, etc. there is more going out than coming in.

Big Flap O' Hair said...

Yesterday, I was looking up some of the "ugly moments" YouTube videos folks here have mentioned and ran across another video interview I'd never seen before. I believe it was with the Christian Broadcast Network. I was curious to see if Kate might be discussing her spiritual life.

(This was new to me, but apologies to all if this has been discussed to death in the past.)

From the looks of the hairstyle (very blonde and 'flappish') it looks like it might have been filmed just about a year ago.

These were the three things that stood out to me in an appalling way:

1) Talking about finding out they were pregnant with multiples a second time, and how horrible, horrible, horrible that news was. She fake-cried at the memory. But no mention of how they were worried about their health, what would they to, etc...just that is was traumatizing and awful. (and in truth, it might well have been...but geez, lady, be a little positive in an interview your kids will one day see!)

2) Talking about the birth itself and how horrible it was. Several references to "torture" (and yet self-congratulatory comments about how she insisted on being awake for it anyway...)As each baby was lifted out, she said, it was "like having organs ripped out of my body." It was as though she thought of these little babies as toxic tumors being painfully ripped out! Again, I'm sure it was no picnic, but in an interview at least four years hence, how about gratefully acknowledging that at least each one was viable and, while small, still healthy?

3) Much whining about how difficult the first year was, and how Jon had to go to Salvation Army to have the heat turned on (or something like that.) So, so, pitiful. Oh, how they struggled. Yet, did she mention a single word about the outpouring of friends, church, and community? She did not.

If you do a YouTube search on "CBN Kate Gosselin" it should pop up.

So, nothing new here -- just more stuff that constantly amazes me about the nerve of this woman!

MBach said...

Maybe Kate is highly allergic to roses?

karma train said...

On one of the shows where Jon made an appearance, didn't he say that Kate made a $million on her books?
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Even if she did, she lives a pricey life style, and after taxes, I bet she went through most of it.

ManicNarcissism said...

How Come? said...

Interesting, but I felt much less anamosity toward Kate with her slicked-down hair. How silly, but I did.

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Yeah, odd, but I thought the same thing. Like, she looks down, she looked defeated and deflated without her rooster tail. Her "can do" had fallen.

jibberjabbers said...

goawayfools said... (snip)

... What Kate fails to realize is that despite the diets, workouts, plastic surgery, tanning, manicures, creative dentistry, and slutty outfits, she's still ugly once she opens her mouth.
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Sorry but Kate Gosselin isn't attractive at all. Angelina Jolie is pretty. Jessica Alba is pretty.

Kate Gosselin? lol hahahahahha. Kate Gosselin looks like a walrus.



Kate Gosselin is a nobody trying to be a somebody. Both are talentless and made money off their kids. Both need to get real jobs once their 15mins are up.

karma train said...

Just saw the coffee pics of Kate and the little girls (and I don't mean the boobies!).

Kate is really packing on the pounds. She looks terrible.

What drives me NUTS is how she makes that poor kid hold her arm straight up while Kate holds her hand. THAT IS JUST WEIRD.

And as for Jon bringing her flowers?? I think he did it so they could somehow *try* to at least be amicable...she shot that down....so much for her 'christianity'

....getting a divorce isn't the worst sin in the world, but she ought to at LEAST try to get along with her children's father. geesh. She is such a loser.


I hope Jon can continue to be a stable emotional force in the kids' lives. I also hope he finds happiness for himself. God knows he lived through years of torture with Kate.

Jane in California said...

the scoop said:

No one is "screwing" with the judicial system. People reconcile everyday! Even after almost divorcing and paying legal fees.
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Exactly. So if J&K do reconcile, that doesn't automatically mean this was all a scam for money either. It would be at least equally as likely that they, like so many other married couples contemplating divorce, changed their minds and decided to try it once more.

However, I really doubt that's going to happen here. Jon has had an exhilarating taste of freedom and I doubt he'd willingly sign up for abused servitude again, at least not with Katie Irene. He might make the same mistake twice, and marry another woman who will run him ragged (I get the feeling this might be a pattern he learned in childhood), but he won't make the same mistake twice with the same woman.

As I said before, I hope if Jon does only one smart thing right now, it would be to treat those assets he is entitled to conservatively. Put most in savings, live modestly and within his means, find a job that produces at least some income, reach some sort of resolution of TLC's ridiculous lawsuit against him, and never become an indentured servant again.

And he needs to accept that he is not a celebrity. He is infamous, but he needs to let go of the hope/idea that he will get some sort of "star" job. Jon - just go be a ski instructor somewhere and live as normal a life as possible.

Mona said...

Accrding to my attorney, who does not practice in PA, if you file a lawsuit you had better be sure you have enough evidence to carry the case. The reason he gave was that if you go through the filing process and then retract, the party you tried to sue can then come after you for the hassle you caused. He FIRMLY warned us before we proceeded to make absolutely sure this was what we wanted to do and truly believed we had a case that would fly and that we would not back out after the papers were filed.

I can't believe TLC or Jon would be
filing civil suits against each other without intention to go through to the bitter end.

Skeptical Viewer said...

Merrilee said: "On one of the shows where Jon made an appearance, didn't he say that Kate made a $million on her books?"

It doesn't matter what he says. What matters are the net earnings.

Jon might have been citing the publisher's gross and not the author's net, or he might have been exaggerating, or he might have been lying. But regardless, I'd bet all of my own book earnings that Kate didn't net "millions" on her books, especially since we're talking about Zondervan rather than a major publishing house with serious marketing muscle.

Don't forget, the deal for her most popular title, Multiple Blessings, was struck before Kate became famous, and it had a co-author (a sharer of royalties) rather than a ghostwriter (typically a writer hired for a flat fee). Plus as I've explained before, most book contracts favor the publisher, not the author -- and if Jon is right about how bad their first TLC contract was, then I can't imagine their first book contract was any better.

Seagal said...

OMG!!!! I saw that someone had posted that TLC is actually posting a countdown ,in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, for tonights finale. I quit watching the show quite awhile ago as I couldn't stand her nasty attitude towards Jon in the good ole days.LOL Anyhow, so I flipped on TLC and sure enough there is a countdown. Like the other poster said "Get over yourself TLC". I know I won't be watching but unfortunately a lot of people will be. Also, I had no clue Kate was going to have show. She is a bore, too harsh and so into being a victim I can't imagine what she could offer a TV audience.

Aimee said...

Go Away Gosselins! said...
Another example of Kate doing or saying ANYTHING for attention.

She giggled and batted her pretty little eyes at Dr. Oz on The View while telling him about how she NEVER allows her children to eat junk food. It went on and on...as if she wanted him to jump up and down for her wonderful parenting skills since she feeds her kids nothing but healthy, organic foods.
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I don't think she truely knows what organic is. I've got some organic junk food (puffed corn snackey things in honey) in my cabinet right now. Just because it is organic does not make it healthy. Organic? Yes. Junk food? Oh hell yes - but tasty!!

Skeptical Viewer said...

Accountant said: "As far as her making millions off "her" books, unless you are a Stephen King, Patricial Cornwell, J.K. Rowlings, etc. you are not going to make that much off your books."

Exactly! I've said this a few times here myself. No way did Kate make "millions" on her books. And of course, she'd have to 'earn back' her advance before royalties (typically on the net) would even start kicking in, which can take a fair amount of copies. I just don't see Zondervan having that much muscle.

Shoshanna said...

I just got this email from the official J&K site:Hello, Shoshanna!

Your membership application has been rejected by the Jon & Kate Plus Eight administration.
No specific reason was given for rejecting you, but most likely your registration credentials or registration reason resulted in this descision.


Regards,
Jon & Kate Plus Eight
Admin
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Hahaa! The only "credential" they have is that my
name appears on some posts on GWOP.

Tell me they don't read this site every day!
Idiots.

Can't See Sheep said...

Big Flap O' Hair all of those things are problems I have had with kate about the whole birth & learning she was going to have 6 children. She does not seem grateful for it all turning out so well, not when you hear her speak about it.

Certainly yes, there is likely to be some horror as you mentally grasp that you're going to be having 6 children. I would think the horror would only last a short time until it turned to concern & sitting down to figure out how do we best go about this to ensure optimum health & safety for them. Remember, in the beginning they were told their were 7 not 6. Sometimes I wonder if she had it reduced to 6 & not the claims they make as to why the 7th didn't happen as ideas of a show were already dancing in her head at that point. I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth about any of it. I believe she was unhappy that the twins had dared to only be twins & not more like she wanted so she went through the fertility treatments again knowing full well they couldn't afford these children.

It's like she takes for granted that the 6 ended up healthy. I mean if /I had 6 & the worst that happened was a couple of them needed glasses, I'd be thanking God on a daily basis for all of it. I'd have been thanking him daily before anyway. I certainly would not be displaying my precious little miracle babies like some side show attraction on a crappy cable channel. TLC isn't the cream of the crop.

I would consider a Christmas special for many reasons, because yes, the public will be curious & when you have a miracle like that it's good to share it a LITTLE. It also lets parents of other multiples know they're far from alone & that not all multiples that are born are unwell or have serious medical problems, yes, let the world know, you are the lucky one & praise whichever God you worship for blessing you this wonderful way, that would be my message, sharing my family's thanks with the world every Christmas.

The little extra money would be nice & looked after properly could be put away for the ones that wish to go to college/ give them a little something for the future. Had kate done this, she'd have had America waiting every year for that Gosselin family Christmas special, just like everyone waits to see the Grinch or the Rudolph done with the little puppets or the Christmas Story where the kid has his tongue stuck to a post, they'd have become a very fond & beloved memory for many of us. Everyone would be fans because we wouldn't have seen Jon neutered & the children poorly treated on a weekly basis.

She could have had so much good, but instead she had to get ugly, & while yes she does have her fans, she also has a lot of people who dislike her completely, not to mention the over exposure of her children. Sorry, but if I was kate right now, I wouldn't be the one with the bodyguards, they'd be with my kids because I'd be terrified that some freak would come after one of them, that's what would keep me up nights. What the show was doing to them would also keep me up, but we know kate will never admit that.

I mean the whining because one needs glasses, that's just shameful, very shameful considering how badly she could have had it. It's good that it didn't, because had kate had one child that was not well off, that one child would have been put centre stage in her begging cons & ended up more exposed than their siblings, because as we've seen, kate is shameless when it comes to a money grab & will play whatever card it takes to get some cash. It's sick & it's sad.

sorry for going on.

livnluv said...

livnluv said....

RE: your conspiracy theory? Are the courts in on the ruse or are they being duped like the rest of us? And do you think there might be something illegal about using the justice system to perpetuate a conspiracy?
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the scoop said...

People go to court everyday, people file for divorce everyday, and more importantly, people RECONCILE everyday. The courts have no clue of a J&K scam. I'm sure theyve put enough money aside for court/lawyer fees, but it will be just so easy to say, "Hey, we're getting back together now"

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Hey scoop, you didn't answer this part of my question:

"How do the TLC lawsuits, and Jon's counter lawsuit figure into your conspiracy theory?"

These lawsuits have nothing to do with the divorce, but with breech of contract. Do you think TLC, Jon and Kate are also conspiring here and what do you think will be the outcome of these lawsuits?

groovymom00 said...

Big Flap O' Hair said...
Yesterday, I was looking up some of the "ugly moments" YouTube videos folks here have mentioned and ran across another video interview I'd never seen before. I believe it was with the Christian Broadcast Network. I was curious to see if Kate might be discussing her spiritual life.

(This was new to me, but apologies to all if this has been discussed to death in the past.)

From the looks of the hairstyle (very blonde and 'flappish') it looks like it might have been filmed just about a year ago.


2) Talking about the birth itself and how horrible it was. Several references to "torture" (and yet self-congratulatory comments about how she insisted on being awake for it anyway...)As each baby was lifted out, she said, it was "like having organs ripped out of my body." It was as though she thought of these little babies as toxic tumors being painfully ripped out! Again, I'm sure it was no picnic, but in an interview at least four years hence, how about gratefully acknowledging that at least each one was viable and, while small, still healthy?
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Thank you for the post Big Flap, I watched it and was truly appalled. I am a mom who gave birth to a preemie at 23 weeks, and he only survived for 11 short hours. This was not a planned pregnancy (I was 40) and I remember referring to it as "an accident" on more than one occasion. Well, after I lost the baby I went into a deep depression, mostly because of the fact that I thought I was being punished for not appreciating that amazing little boy that I only held for a brief moment. I wish I could take back my words, and to this day it haunts me. Just listening to Kate speak about her experience birthing the tups, and her total ungratefulness for those 6 little miracles just makes me loathe her even more. When will she wake up and get a clue - these children will eventually hear everything she has said about them. I wonder if she will regret her words someday also.

fidosmommy said...

MBach said...
Maybe Kate is highly allergic to roses?

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So THAT's why Jon took her roses!
Now I get it!

Maybe Kate has TV interviewers set up a big bouquet of roses right off camera to help her eyes water and her nose run while she's being asked questions, too.

For the Moment? said...

Re: Kate's hair.

She always said the little sticky uppy thingies best showed her attitude. She must have felt lost without them...running from TLC's private paparazzi indeed.

Charles said...

Jon says he will be doing "good for the world." I truly do wish him success. The world needs all the good it can be.

I hope its not too late for anyone to really believe him or care. If he does do it, perhaps in a few years he will have gained a new reputation. I hope he doesn't give up.

Along with changing his reputation, it would be a great idea for him to learn how to talk without using the word "like" in such inappropriate places.

He has a lot of time on his hands. It would be a super time for him to actually take some elocution classes, clean up his physical appearance, do a complete Jon revolution!

I don't know if it would be too little too late, but it sure couldn't hurt.

http://www.popeater.com/2009/11/10/jon-gosselin-holidays/

Can't See Sheep said...

Aimee said...
I don't think she truely knows what organic is.
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The companies who sell this stuff don't make it any easier either. There are a number of companies who put organic on their items knowing full well that they're not organic. When asked why they do this, they very happily point out that the huge sums of money they make off of an organic label pays the small fines they incur many times over.

Things about this have been on TV a couple of times in the last few years. They're a business if it didn't make money they wouldn't be doing it. So to be eating organic you have to have very good knowledge of what it is, who exactly is making it & following the guidelines. kate seems to have no knowledge about anything much less organic. But then again, maybe kate thought that the organic label would sell her "brand" & get her whopping great piles of cash like the unscrupulous companies have made. I mean after all, what won't that woman do for a buck.

Suz said...

Can's See Sheep...

I mean the whining because one needs glasses, that's just shameful, very shameful considering how badly she could have had it.

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This is so true. I often wonder what she'll do if one of the kids ends up with learning difficulties. That's a life-long challenge - not only for how one learns in school, but how one learns in life. Will she be in denial if that happens?

Button Button said...

Groovymom00 said...

I am a mom who gave birth to a preemie at 23 weeks, and he only survived for 11 short hours. This was not a planned pregnancy (I was 40) and I remember referring to it as "an accident" on more than one occasion. Well, after I lost the baby I went into a deep depression, mostly because of the fact that I thought I was being punished for not appreciating that amazing little boy that I only held for a brief moment. I wish I could take back my words, and to this day it haunts me. Just listening to Kate speak about her experience birthing the tups, and her total ungratefulness for those 6 little miracles just makes me loathe her even more. When will she wake up and get a clue - these children will eventually hear everything she has said about them. I wonder if she will regret her words someday also.

11/23/2009 12:36 PM
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Groovymom00, I am so sad for what you have gone through. Bless your heart.

It was beneficial for you to have held your little baby boy.

It hasn't been so long that moms didn't get to see or hold some of their babies. I had stillborn twin daughters and wasn't allowed to hold them or even see them. Thank goodness that archaic practice is over with.

Though it doesn't feel like you will ever be the same person you were before all of this sorrow changed you, eventually you will feel whole again one day.

Blessings ...

Merrilee said...

... (snip) ... Talking about the birth itself and how horrible it was. Several references to "torture" (and yet self-congratulatory comments about how she insisted on being awake for it anyway...)As each baby was lifted out, she said, it was "like having organs ripped out of my body." It was as though she thought of these little babies as toxic tumors being painfully ripped out! Again, I'm sure it was no picnic, but in an interview at least four years hence, how about gratefully acknowledging that at least each one was viable and, while small, still healthy?

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What a job that woman is. Most mothers get over the births right quick, saying things like "I forgot all about my labor when that baby was put on my tummy..." or similar.

Her? Naaa... everything happens to Kate in a bigger way than any of the rest of we mortal mothers.

Sidney said...

It is a known fact that Jon and the twins have all had therapy. He is TRYING to get his life in order.

Janet said...

Saw a promo on NBC for Matt Lauer's special....People of the Year or some such.
Octomom is on there, but Kate is NOT! I bet that will really roast her chestnuts!

Love it! :)

lucy2 said...

I'm watching the Crooked House episode again.

So, let me get this straight. She doesn't want to be right, have it her way, but she tells the kids that the houses are going somewhere else than what Jon said.

She is such a biatch. All the time. I know Jon has been a bit of a loser, but I'm glad he's free of this woman. She's horrible in every way. I just hate her.

Aunt Chris said...

zee said"Maybe she was afraid of getting shot for Thanksgiving dinner, not all those hunters take a good look at what they're shooting as evidenced by all the bright day glo blankets put on black & white cows in deer hunting season in some areas."

That explains the red jacket, purple shirt and pink shoes, too!

zoey said...

I bet that when TLC is truely done with kate, and they bankrupt Jon and the kids are just regular mediocre kids,that there will be a moment when kate realizes that TLC destroyed her family.

lauren said...

i live near Kate & kate plus 8, and i was sitting at the red light at the restaurant "Austins" that she took her kids to eat on a previous episode. right a long side of the restaurant is her Church. it got me to thinking, she proclaims that she can't go to church right now, cause it would only be 9 of them, but she can take them right next door to Austins, just the 9 of them?? (not including how many nannies or helpers she has that day). this is the thing i don't get that people fall for her poor me character, i thought this was a "christian woman", wouldn't now be the time you go to church the most, when you are really struggling???? and your kids are hurting too?? SHE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!!!!

goawayfools said...

Ive had two csections, and didn't feel a thing except for a little pressure (and I mean a little, not enough to even make you gasp) when they had to push on the upper part of my abdomen to get the baby out. No way could I tell what they were cutting on, moving about or manipulating during surgery. I wouldn't even know what it feels like to have a tumor removed, but don't have to know, cuz I couldn't feel squat from the waist down. And all I remember was my excitement to finally see the baby (each a lovely little girl, fat and healthy), to make sure she was ok, and to not be preggers anymore! Either Kate had substandard anesthesia (highly unlikely at such a nice hospital) or she's full of crap yet again.

seacitygirl said...

In regards to Jon saying he was going to "do good for the world". Mother Teresa said, "If you want to change the world, go home and love your family".

The only good that Jon needs to do for the world is care for the 8 little pieces of the world that God has already given to him.

THAT IS HOW YOU DO GOOD FOR THE WORLD!

In the Moment said...

Zoey said, "I bet that when TLC is truely done with kate, and they bankrupt Jon and the kids are just regular mediocre kids,that there will be a moment when kate realizes that TLC destroyed her family."

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You are giving Kate too much credit. She will NEVER get it. She is the proverbial Queen of Denial.

fidosmommy said...

zoey said...
I bet that when TLC is truely done with kate, and they bankrupt Jon and the kids are just regular mediocre kids,that there will be a moment when kate realizes that TLC destroyed her family.

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May I add a thought to your great post, Zoey?

"....there will be a moment when Kate realizes that she invited TLC to destroy her family."

Thanks, Zoey.

In the Moment said...

GoAwayFools said, "Ive had two csections, and didn't feel a thing except for a little pressure (and I mean a little, not enough to even make you gasp) when they had to push on the upper part of my abdomen to get the baby out. No way could I tell what they were cutting on, moving about or manipulating during surgery. I wouldn't even know what it feels like to have a tumor removed, but don't have to know, cuz I couldn't feel squat from the waist down. And all I remember was my excitement to finally see the baby (each a lovely little girl, fat and healthy), to make sure she was ok, and to not be preggers anymore! Either Kate had substandard anesthesia (highly unlikely at such a nice hospital) or she's full of crap yet again."

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Your last sentence is correct.

I was an Obstetrics (Labor & Delivery/Post Partum/Nursery) RN, and never did I observe a patient who claimed to feel what Kate described.

It's just more of Kate, The Drama Queen.

Remember: Kate thinks everything about her is somehow more compelling than anything about ANYONE ELSE. Her 'mother's intuition' is more acute. Her love for her children is deeper. Her faith is stronger. Her pain is worse. Her exhaustion is greater. Her loneliness is more 'alone'.

When your one track mind travels only in a circle around your own ego, it's easy to assume that everything about YOU is automatically inherently MORE than anyone else has ever experienced or achieved.

How very Kate-ish.

In the Moment said...

Sea City Girl said, "In regards to Jon saying he was going to "do good for the world". Mother Teresa said, "If you want to change the world, go home and love your family".

The only good that Jon needs to do for the world is care for the 8 little pieces of the world that God has already given to him.

THAT IS HOW YOU DO GOOD FOR THE WORLD!"

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EXCELLENT point and well said, Sea City Girl!

Charity really does begin at home.

Bravo for a great comment.

silimom said...

As each baby was lifted out, she said, it was "like having organs ripped out of my body."

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Ummm..Didn't Kate have a C-Section? Sorry, but I've had one of those. You're completely numb from the waist down. How on earth did she "feel" the kids begin ripped out? Yes, perhaps she felt a "tugging" sensation (and I say that with a big PERHAPS - I personally didn't feel anything or if I did I've completely forgotten that's how memorable it was) but comparing it to organs being RIPPED from your body? Come on, Kate, that's a little melodramatic, even for you.

GoPoshGo said...

In the Moment said...
GoAwayFools said, "Ive had two csections, and didn't feel a thing except for a little pressure (and I mean a little, not enough to even make you gasp) when they had to push on the upper part of my abdomen to get the baby out. [snipped for space]
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I was an Obstetrics (Labor & Delivery/Post Partum/Nursery) RN, and never did I observe a patient who claimed to feel what Kate described.
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Let me preface this post by saying that anyone who has read any of my previous posts knows that I am NO fan of Kate's. So this comment is in no way in defense of her. That said, I envy GoAwayFools and any others who have had an easy c-section experience. My twin sons were both breech, so a c-section was my only option. Having delivered my daughter "naturally," two years prior, I was looking forward to an "easier" birth experience. All of my cousins and friends had assured me that c-sections were MUCH more quick and pleasant. Well, I can say without any exaggeration that the twins' birth was the most painful physical experience I have had to date [and this includes being bitten in the face by a friend's dog]. Despite the epidural, etc., I could still feel a TON of very painful pressure -- especially when they went "fishing" for Baby B -- and felt a LOT of pain in my upper abdomen and chest. I just about broke my husband's finger off, as that was what I grabbed onto with a death grip and couldn't let go of for the entire 20 minutes. It didn't help that I had a wicked sinus infection at the time, and could not breathe -- especially when they stuck the oxygen tubes in my nostrils and laid the heavy warm blanket on my chest.

That said, despite their birth being the most grueling and painful experience of my life, once I saw their sweet little faces, I fell in love immediately. I will never forget that moment or that feeling of absolute love and joy. [Side note: I have no intention of ever letting the boys know how difficult their birth was for me -- not so sure I can say the same for Kate].

I have not heard Kate's actual account of the tups' birth, but being Kate I'm sure she exaggerated the experience simply because she is ... Kate. She's the consummate victim and ultimate martyr. So, I would take her account of the experience with the proverbial grain of salt.

I just wanted to put it out there, though, that not all c-sections are a breeze. Not sure if the "multiple" factor is what makes the difference, but given my experiences, I'd choose natural birth over a c-section any day of the week.

anotherthing... said...

In The Moment said...

"...Remember: Kate thinks everything about her is somehow more compelling than anything about ANYONE ELSE. Her 'mother's intuition' is more acute. Her love for her children is deeper. Her faith is stronger. Her pain is worse. Her exhaustion is greater. Her loneliness is more 'alone'.

When your one track mind travels only in a circle around your own ego, it's easy to assume that everything about YOU is automatically inherently MORE than anyone else has ever experienced or achieved.

How very Kate-ish."
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GREAT post!!! I think that the way you were able to put this in words was excellent. Ive been wrestling with how to say it, and you nailed it.

:)

Sharla said...

We've heard from both sides so no more personal C-section stories, please. This is about the Gosselins.

kate goes black said...

Ms. Go-Green apparently can't afford to invest in a few canvas type reusable shopping bags available at most markets when shopping at Target. I don't believe for one second that all that plastic is recyled.

She's the greatest environmentalist role model ever!

anotherthing... said...

Accountant said...
J&K probably have more going out right now than they have coming in (money wise). As far as her making millions off "her" books, unless you are a Stephen King, Patricial Cornwell, J.K. Rowlings, etc. you are not going to make that much off your books. How many printings did they do of Multiple Blessings? My guess is only one. Did it go into paperback? Trust me, with the expensive house (and the one that hasn't sold), the kids tuition, the hired help, etc. there is more going out than coming in.

11/23/2009 9:24 AM
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Agree. I think that there is gonna be some trouble in Kates paradise...

esp. when this new 'show' of hers fails miserably or never even airs at all. And when TLC bankrupts Jon who then wont be able to fork over her 'alimony/child support'... And her kids cant work to pay her bills anymore.... Things are gonna get messy. Er- MORE messy.

sillyrabbit said...

As each baby was lifted out, she said, it was "like having organs ripped out of my body."

I find it disturbing that Kate would describe her delivery experience with the tups equivelant to that of having 'organs ripped out of my body'. How many times has Kate actually experienced having her organs ripped from her body? Kate referencing the living and breathing human beings inside her womb as 'organs' doesnt surprise me considering the fact that she had no problem selling the souls of her children to the highest bidder.

she is evil said...

Okay, let me tell you about MY c-section...just kidding. Just wanted to point out that despite all of Kate's fawning over Hannah (aka: 3), that it appears little Hannie is a daddy's girl. She kisses and hugs him freely and whenever she is near him, even if Kate is also nearby, often leans against him or puts her arm on his shoulder.

AnnaBanana said...

Unbelievably, I have some friends who are still pro-Kate through all of this. I feel like *I* am the lunatic because it gets so frustrating to have to explain to them all the things wrong with Kate that they somehow cannot see! They just take what she and the media say at face value: "Kate's the good parent, Jon's the douche." Ughh! There's too much to bring up, and I get frustrated trying to list them all. So I give up.

I just can't wait until we finally hear from the insiders such as the old crew members. Their non-disclosure agreements could only last for so long, right?

lukebandit said...

on the today show this morning there is a young couple on that survived a fiery plane crash. very touching, they are survivors. they have 3 or 4 small kids. she writes a blog and has fans and they showed her meeting them sitting down with them hugging and crying with them. the fans were telling her how much they admire her strength and faith.

and just a short time ago we saw kate crying about jon taking 230K out of 231K and only had 1K and had bills in her purse, that had cost??? and that she could not drop in the mail. after the taping, she went to lunch and her tab was 174 dollars.

today goes from one extreme to another. God bless that family.
i think the reason why kate doesn't go to church, she feels guilty about taking the money and probably doesn't want the tabloids saying bad things about her going and possibly saying, how much money did she get today?
i just heard on the radio that paula deen was hit in the face with a ham that someone threw like a football while she was unloading a truck filled with hams in ATL.

hope she is ok.
can't wait for the recap of last night!

Cora, Iowa said...

I guess they have to dig out some cash from somewhere. Did they think that water was donated to them? Or just forgot to pay the waterbill.
http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2009/11/24/entertainment/doc4b0be7fe8830d789643220.txt

can't stand her said...

Weird how some people just take Kate's baloney at face value, isn't it? If you go to other sites like ROL, posters there will say things like ""she's taking the high road", "she needs the show to support her family", "she had to be tough because jon was like a 9th child". It's infuriating that they believe this when the truth is there for all to see. Makes me wonder why they believe untruths spewing from her mouth without question rather than looking at the facts and then deciding from there. What's wrong with being objective regarding her behavior? Why do they want to believe her lies so badly? Stopped fighting it because the sheeple will defend her at all costs. Strange person to put so much faith in.

Yolanda said...

Not sure if this was posted elsewhere, but here is a list of Jon & Kate's biggest freebies as posted by myfoxphilly.com

http://media2.myfoxphilly.com/slideshows/gosselinswag/1/med/Hair%20plugs.htm

1. Hair Plus $5,200
2. Bald Head Island Vacation- $700 A Night, 11 Nights
3. German Shepherds: $1,000-$3,000 per dog
4. Giant Groceries Gift Card - $5,000
5. Grand Wailea Resort - $725-$1,080 per night
6. Orange County chopper (estimate: $14,000 on eBay to start)
7. One half Organic Cow - $1,395.00
8. Upright piano: $5,550-$6,350
9. Utah house rental: $5,000
10. Tummy tuck surgery (est. $3,000 - $10,000)

Do agree with this list? What was left out? And do they have to pay taxes on all this stuff?

haha said...

just wondering if anyone else wondered if it was kate who threw the ham at paula deen yesterday. that kate will stop at nothing to get her own show.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

on the today show this morning there is a young couple on that survived a fiery plane crash. very touching, they are survivors. they have 3 or 4 small kids. she writes a blog and has fans and they showed her meeting them sitting down with them hugging and crying with them. the fans were telling her how much they admire her strength and faith.

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I have been following Stephanie's blog since before her awful plane crash and she truly is an inspiration.

If you see how her and her family are grateful for all the small things (and just to be alive) it really shows how selfish and greedy Kate is.

I mean Kate cries and whines about how she has had to weather all these storms (apparently little insignificant things are storms to her because she hasn't experienced a huge tragedy) and then you see someone who has been faced with real tragedy and remains grateful just puts things into perspective. Kate is horrible.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

I just listened to Jon's conversation with M. Lohan on Radar. Wow!

First of all...Jon's language is TERRIBLE. Very vulgar.

Second of all...Michael Lohan is trash. It seems as if he taped all his phone calls with Jon and is now selling them. No wonder Lindsey is so screwed up. I've always heard awful things about M. Lohan and this just adds to his negative reputation.

Jon talks about how TLC never paid his kids. I don't get why that is an issue now. We all know TLC is cutthroat and horrible. However, Jon knew for 4 seasons what they were up to and the kids HAVE been paid (it may not be the amount Jon wants but they were still compensated). The kids not only got free trips and every toy imaginable but they also received enough money for them to have substantial funds that are locked away (according to Kate).

As soon as I think Jon and Kate can't get any worse something shows up in the media and proves me wrong.

AnnaBanana said...

Don't know if this is relevant to anyone, but I was looking up what Jen Stocks, the former producer might be up to these days, and it looks like she was involved in "Kate: Her Story" - the staged interview with Natalie Morales.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1653007/

Could this have been why Kate looked so terrible? Though I do have to say that I'm surprised Jen Stocks is still involved in any projects with Kate Gosselin.

gherkin said...

So Barbara Walters is going to name Kate as one of her most fascinating people of 2009??? Give me a break.

I don't ever watch these shows of Barbara's anyway, so maybe no one else does either. GAG.

my9cats said...

AnnaBanana said...
Don't know if this is relevant to anyone, but I was looking up what Jen Stocks, the former producer might be up to these days, and it looks like she was involved in "Kate: Her Story" - the staged interview with Natalie Morales.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1653007/


It's quite possible she was listed as she was the producer on earlier shows. I did not watch last night but if clips were shown of earlier times, she would have to receive credit for it.

Kelly34 said...

I form my negative opinion of Jon based on what Jon himself says in interviews on television. The Entertainment Tonight appearances alone made me want to gag.

TLC and the tabloids aren't sabatoging Jon. He's doing it to himself.

DLCF said...

Not sure how old this is, but according to FoxPhilly there's a nearly $2,700 "water tapping fee" that has gone unpaid at the Elizabethtown house. Mortgage also remains unpaid.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/first_on_fox%3A_tax_lien_put_on_gosselins

Link also details the particulars of the McMansion purchase.

Dianew said...

Adam Lambert & Kate Gosselin: Barbara Walters’ Most Fascinating People: It’s that time again for Barbara Walter...
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I took this off twitter from Just Jared tweet. Can someone please tell me why Barbara Walters would choose Kate Gosslein as a fascinating person? ratings? I tought this was a top rated program that occurs once a year so, if not for ratings what then?
Will not this woman just go away?

cottagequeso gal said...

It seems to me Khate is 'auditioning' when on camera. Particularly the 'wild west' episode. It's as though she's really pulling out her acting skills in hopes that someone high up notices her so-called talent. My guess is that she's aiming for Hollywood and won't give up until she's finally made a name for herself either as an actor or a talk-show host. Remember, she said herself, she NEVER gives up...

Gimme a break I sure deserve it said...

Just came across these parodies on youtube. Oh my, so close to the real deal!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SJmzM1wqO4&feature=video_response

silimom said...

I think Babwa is fascinated by Kate because one has to wonder what is so appealing about her that has led her to be on how many magazine covers this summer? How many newshows? How many gossip sites? Her only claim to fame is that she gave birth to 6 children all at once, and she's not the first person to do that even. Why do people find her so captivating? Like it or not, Kate sells.

JamesonJones said...

Can someone please explain to me why I'm supposed to give a flying flip about WHO Baabwa Walters finds 'fascinating'?

WHO CARES what this washed up has been dredges up so SHE can maintain her OWN deathgrip on fame?

Whatever credibility Ms. Walters had was flushed down the commode with her recent tacky tell-all book. Puhleeze.

She and Kate are not unalike in their need for attention and adoration. Perhaps THIS is the factor about Kate that Ms. W finds so 'fascinating'.

For the Moment? said...

Kate Gosselin and Adam Lambert...so befitting. I watched the AMAs and was appalled at his performance and he has been cancelled from performing on GMA. My child was watching wwith me I had to click it off just like I have to click Kate off when she gets mean. It upsets him. Good picks Barb.

For the Moment? said...

I doubt very seriously if the kids will have a college fund very much longer or that it is even substantial at the moment. It is revocable for a reason. She will use it in a heartbeat.

fidosmommy said...

Barbara Walter's Most Fascinating People are made up of some truly outstanding people (Colin Powell for one, politicians or medical people who have made a difference) but for the most part they are simply People We Saw on Tabloid Covers The Most This Year. Barbara Walters knows what sells, and the Kate Gosselin trash sells quite well. Just ask People
Magazine.

mandapants said...

Barbara likes guests who cry. Kate loves to cry. Perfect match!

cottagequeso gal said...

Excellent point JamesonJones! Barbra Walters and Khate Gosselin are so in love with themselves it's hilarious. I've NEVER liked that old windbag Walters and ditto ma gosselin.
Both airheads through and through

the Big Wooden Spoon said...

Cora, Iowa said...
I guess they have to dig out some cash from somewhere. Did they think that water was donated to them? Or just forgot to pay the waterbill.
http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2009/11/24
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How on earth could anyone have a $2,700 water bill???? They must not have paid it for months! I own a 2-flat and pay water for up to six people at a time, plus a large garden -- It's rarely over $300 a month. I bet Kate hasn't bothered to pay ever since they moved out. On the other hand, how could they be using water when no one lives there?
It doesn't make sense, unless the realtor got fed up with Kate's nasty manners and left a faucet on as pay-back.

Shoshanna said...

From today's Daily News:

"Kate even fought back tears when talking about her marriage.
"I never had a clear picture of how it would end. It's too soon," she said.

WRONG-0! She's not talking about her marriage;
she's talking about the damn SHOW.

How do these writers get away with writing articles
about shows they've obviously never watched and
know less than nothing about?

fidosmommy said...

the Big Wooden Spoon said...

How on earth could anyone have a $2,700 water bill???? They must not have paid it for months! I own a 2-flat and pay water for up to six people at a time, plus a large garden -- It's rarely over $300 a month. I bet Kate hasn't bothered to pay ever since they moved out. On the other hand, how could they be using water when no one lives there?
It doesn't make sense, unless the realtor got fed up with Kate's nasty manners and left a faucet on as pay-back.

*****

Where I live, you pay for water
whether you use it or not. If your house is hooked up to the city water and/or sewer line, you pay the standard fee every month.
If you go over the allotted amount of water, you pay more.

It is never a good idea to turn off water in a house, especially if you're trying to sell it. The buyers want to see the shower, run the garbage disposal, etc. and if there hasn't been much rain, then
grass and landscaping have to be watered.

They have lived in the new house for what, a year, 13 months? Those must be some crazy water bills they have there in E-town!
Maybe neighbors are going over there and playing with the garden hose!

kate is a cocky bitch said...

some interested info on My Fox Philly:
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/first_on_fox%3A_tax_lien_put_on_gosselins

Mady wants some water said...

the Big Wooden Spoon said...

How on earth could anyone have a $2,700 water bill???? They must not have paid it for months! I own a 2-flat and pay water for up to six people at a time, plus a large garden -- It's rarely over $300 a month. I bet Kate hasn't bothered to pay ever since they moved out. On the other hand, how could they be using water when no one lives there?
It doesn't make sense, unless the realtor got fed up with Kate's nasty manners and left a faucet on as pay-back.
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It's not the monthly water bill. It was a one time fee to connect to city water. The house must have been on a well, or it was new construction and this was the fee. My question is why wasn't this bill paid? Isn't it Kate's job to pay the bills? Seems this should have been paid before spa trips, new clothes, etc were bought. ????

bucky said...

cottagequeso gal said...
It seems to me Khate is 'auditioning' when on camera. Particularly the 'wild west' episode. It's as though she's really pulling out her acting skills in hopes that someone high up notices her so-called talent. My guess is that she's aiming for Hollywood and won't give up until she's finally made a name for herself either as an actor or a talk-show host. Remember, she said herself, she NEVER gives up...
+++++++++++++++++++
Oh dear! If that was her audition tape... for what town bufoon??

tomturkey said...

How on earth could anyone have a $2,700 water bill????

.....and have ignored paying the bill for so long that the city was forced to place on lein on the property!! Multiple vehicles, new boobs, designer clothing/shoes/handbags, personal body gaurd, every other day shopping trips to Target, daily Starbucks etc... but the water bill cant be paid?!

Karma said...

..cause I'm the tax man.....

http://www.thereporteronline.com/articles/2009/11/24/entertainment/doc4b0be7fe8830d789643220.txt

Genevieve said...

I just want to wish everybody here on GWOP a Happy Thanksgiving. And I hope the Gosselin kids get to have turkey and stuffing and pumpkin pie with their Aunts,Uncles and their Grandma!

Button Button said...

Go Away Gosselins! said...
I just listened to Jon's conversation with M. Lohan on Radar. Wow!

First of all...Jon's language is TERRIBLE. Very vulgar.
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I too was disgusted and saddened by Jon's terrible language. He has many good things about him, especially in his fathering. But he is a fraud, just like Kate is.

These people are nothing like that young, fresh couple with twins and sextuplets that first came into our living rooms. Nothing.

Jane in California said...

Well, I haven't watched a Barbara Walters special since probably the time she interviewed Patrick Swayze. I won't be watching her glorify Kate Gosselin, that's for sure.

lukebandit said...

no wonder kate was crying on the today show. jon had taken 230K of the 231K and left her only 1K to pay on the bills that she had in her purse, no wonder she couldn't pay the water tapping fee for 2700. but she leaves the today show and eats lunch for $174. those kids are not going to have any money for their future.
keep on spending, kate.

Kathryn said...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING FELLOW BLOGGERS!!!

Wow!!!! This really IS a Thanksgiving to be grateful for!

Just My Few Canadian Cents said...

Regarding Kate being shortlisted on Barbara Walters list of fascinating people: Kate isn't fascinating at all. She presents as vapid and shallow without an ounce of integrity, talent appreciation or compassion. That said, how a most unremarkable person could birth healthy sextuplets and catapult herself from obscurity to celebrity by pimping out her children is quite fascinating. It's fascinating that she can sell magazines and boost ratings for television shows. It's fascinating how someone with a poor command of the English language is a best-selling author. It's fascinating how well she plays the "victim card," how shamelessly she lies, and how comfortable she is begging for and and accepting handouts. Love or hate her, she was able to get so much by doing nothing but mistreating ALL those around her. And that, among a litany of other adjectives is fascinating.
That said, I sure hope Barbara Walters included Susan Boyle on her list. Susan is one fascinating woman and I hope she is named Time's person of the year. She deserves it.

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