Production Halted Part 2

Jon stopped the filming of the children. Will it hold up?

Continuation of the previous thread. We were approaching Blogger's limit.

130 comments:

nanasez said...

How? Surely you jest! They are not the first family on earth to have 8children and they won't be the last.
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Replying to post in previous thread - AMEN Sister!

I didn't copy everything you posted, but I so agree with what you said about living within one's means. My neighbors reared six children in a house MUCH smaller than the G's E-town house - and even took in the husband's father when he was dying of Alzheimer's. When grandpa passed, he left behind some wooded land to his son. The husband set aside a few acres for each child as an investment, sold the rest, and paid off the mortgage on their little house. The wife sewed lots of the clothes for the children. They bought fresh vegetables at a 'pick your own' farm in the spring and summer, and canned/froze enough to go through the winter. Their children attended private school and homeschool. The father had "special days" alone with each child four times a year. The eldest son ran his own lawncare business from the age of ten or so, and had THOUSANDS banked for college by the time he finished high school.

That's what the American way used to be.

The E-town house the G's still own was a decent size for a family of ten, and they had plenty of land to add on if they wanted to do so. What they've made off the show could have paid off their mortgage, expanded the house, and put money into the bank for each the kids in the future. And with the kids in full time school next year, it would be a breeze for both parents to be working.

MomOf4InPA said...

I sure hope it works, and this is the end of the filming of the kids, but I have this uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that Kate and TLC have found a way around the issue, the the filming will continue at a more strenuous pace than before, and that Kate will find herself having more "meltdowns" away from the camera, but still in front of the kids.

I pray for the kids every night. I have only had one personal "run-in" with Kate, literally, at Target, she whipped her cart around right into me and didn't even ask if I was ok, or to even say sorry. Knowing how she treated me when she ran me into the shelving with her cart, I can only imagine how she is with her kids. :(

Mello Cello said...

Wow, MomOf4, what did she do? Just keep going like you weren't even there? This woman just amazex me. And not in a good way.

Anonymous said...

If nobody watches, it won't matter if TLC has enough money to buy everybody off... you can't manufacture ratings.

Lucy said...

I've always believed "what goes around ... comes around". You might not see it actually happen, it may be delayed, but it does happen. Kate is sewing the seeds for future alienation by her children when they are old enough to truly understand how she replaced the love of money for their protection and innocence. Jon and Kate also need to stop fighting their divorce concerns in a public forum. Frankly it should be no one's business but their own and the children will only suffer more for it. Time for me to get off my soapbox but this isn't just a trainwreck ... this is a disaster especially with TLC having control of their lives.

fidosmommy said...

Kate's always in a hurry. She was in a hurry to grab Jon, in a hurry to have babies and then more babies, in a hurry to get out of nursing, in a hurry to get Jon home with her to help her more, in a hurry to move to a larger home before they sold the smaller home, in a hurry to have everything she wanted, in a hurry to get famous, in a hurry to get a divorce, in a
hurry to make you know she's the bomb and you're not.

The only thing she has slowed down is the emotional development of her children - and that's just TOOOOOO slow.

Kate lives for right now. Yesterday comes with no mementos and tomorrow means the children will be too uninteresting to film, so you make hay today.

She has no idea how to plan for her children's future because she's too busy depending on them today for her own.

She truly does have MDS (Mothering Deficit Syndrome - I made that up)
and will never, never, never, never
comprehend that no matter how many times we write it or how many times
it is pointed out to her.

She has something to offer the world, but so far, she hasn't brought it out of the woodwork for us to see. I would truly love to see Kate find something that could show her in a good light for once and that would benefit humankind in some small way. Mothering is not her forté, and TV is not a good
fit for her personality type.

MelissaTx said...

Can I just say I would LOVE to be run into (literally) in Target by Kate! I would have a BALL with that!!! I guess she feels she is above common courtesy, huh? Miss Too Big For Her Britches feels as though she is exempt from a simple "excuse me." And gee...I wonder why her kids attack each other all the time?

Soosie said...

Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.

Claire said...

Soosie said...
Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.
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Gotta link?

nanb said...

Claire said...
Soosie said...
Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.
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Gotta link?
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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/new-photos-kate-gosselin-takes-down-jons-sign-barring-tlc-their-pa-home

SAHM said...

BOY... this is getting nasty...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/new-photos-kate-gosselin-takes-down-jons-sign-barring-tlc-their-pa-home

Lives In Her Own World said...

It would bother me, on earlier episodes of previous seasons of the show, how unappreciative she appeared when given something. Somebody would deliver a freebie and, whereas I would be in tears and hugging people out of thanks, she was nonchalant. It would strike me how she wasn't friendly when meeting someone for the first time on the show, like someone coming to work on their home or something. It was inappropriate response...abnormal interraction. I can't remember specifics this much time later, but it was the impression I had after viewing. I thought, "does she just lack manners?" There's been so much written of how cold she is at the meet & greets, won't acknowledge fans, etc. I don't think it's arrogance but she seems to lack feelings and some emotions. (I'd wondered if she enjoyed having a sarcastic edge because she thought it made her look clever or cool.) She's just not gracious. I know a lot has been written about narcissisim or other things that might ail her but it had seemed to me she just lacked social skills including being courteous and polite. Wouldn't your normal reaction be, in a store if you bumped somebody with your cart or had a near-miss, to spontaneously say, "oops, sorry, almost got ya there," or some small comment, delivered with a smile? Something is missing.

dara2K said...

If TLC is smart they will let Jon out of his present contract and give him him portion to go away. Jon's Lawyer should consult with Gloria Allred & Paul Petersen to set up proper conditions for TLC to shoot the show. If these kids had to conform to the "Jackie Coogan" laws things would be different. This provides for an on-set nurse, tutors, mandatory trust funds overseen by a Trustee...no funny business. Kate may not be in such a hurry to do a show if she has to pay out for all that! I mean, she didn't even want to cut Aunt Jodie and her own brother checks for their spots on the show. Jon has finally grown a pair and it's turning around for the better! Kate has lots to learn...it's about time...

Big Wooden Spoon said...

Soosie said...
Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.

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And I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say how much we appreciated her calling her tame paps, so we could all witness her I'm-better-than-you defiance!
What an a**!

sayitisntso33 said...

I laughed at the sign Kate threw on the ground. She is obviously fuming. Control freaks like Kate don't like anyone challenging them. Jon's recent announcements, with a lawyer to back it up, have probably made her furious.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at her house. But then again, I feel so sorry for those kids. She was nasty to begin with, she must be horrible to live with now.

The proverbial poo is hitting the fan. How dare Jon challenge her or TLC.

TEAM+8 said...

I get the feeling that Kate removed Jon's sign because the mis-spelling upset her more than the meaning of the sign itself. She seems VERY determined that her gravy train is going to go full speed ahead.

Both she & Jon are trying to hurt one another so much, they don't even realize the only people they've successfully hurt are their own children.

Doris said...

Lives In Her Own World said..."Something is missing."

whats missing? It's called a soul, demons have no soul... Kate is empty and void of normal human reactions and emotions.

carolann said...

texas two step said...
"As for Jon, a new show and the kids being on that, yeah i don't think they would be the feature of the show.... remember single DADS... not just Single Dad Jon Gosselin show. As for who those kids will be exposed to.... OK america, let's get a grip. Take a good long hard at your own life and in that lifetime the people you have been 'exposed' to. Can't tell me as a child, that some way, some how, someone a little seedy was not around - be it your loser cousin, drunk uncle, neighbor who was a floozy....you get my point. What matters is not that the kids are or are not 'exposed' but how long those influences are in your life. "

The difference is the folks you mentioned are people that would be unavoidable. A parent should never invite people like that into their children's lives. Not every child who spends even a short amount of time with an adult who is "a little seedy" is lucky enough to walk away unscathed. Jon has shown an ignorant disregard for the safety and well being of his children by inviting scum like Michael Lohan into his life. Jon can't get a pass for that and cry about Kate doing things that are "detrimental" to his kids at the same time. It makes him look like an insincere hypocrite.

sayitisntso33 said...

Does this description remind you of anyone?

So what is a narcissist? Someone who preens in front of the mirror all day in admiration? NOT! Ask yourself this: is your partner intensely angered by anything that seems to suggest that he or she might have a flaw? Narcissists will do anything, including brutalizing their own family, to maintain their own feeling that others see them as without any flaws. And, narcissists have extreme and illogical sensitivities, sometimes connecting the most minute observations with their intense fears of being seen as flawed. Narcissists will strain every muscle to meet their own "flawless" image, and demean or destroy anyone or anything who casts any doubt on this image.

MyLittleCat said...

I'm sorry but I just have to post this sheeple comment. I was reading you know who's site...

"I do not think the show is harming the kids, they like it and the film crew. Just because it isn't something we would do doesn't mean they should stop. Most of the people that want it to stop are jealous low life trolls."

It amazes me the amount of faith people put into Kate. Why do people love her so much? I would rather be a normal middle class American than live Kate's miserable life for a single second.

go away gosselins said...

The twins are now old enough, not supervised enough and I think smart enough, to get on the internet. I wonder what Kate will do, when they put one of their own homemade videos of their mother's cruelty on youtube? Or one of Dad's "special babysitter training"?

It's gonna happen, just wait and see.

Kate Don't Rate said...

Lives In Her Own World said...

It would bother me, on earlier episodes of previous seasons of the show, how unappreciative she appeared when given something. Somebody would deliver a freebie and, whereas I would be in tears and hugging people out of thanks, she was nonchalant. It would strike me how she wasn't friendly when meeting someone for the first time on the show, like someone coming to work on their home or something. It was inappropriate response...abnormal interraction. I can't remember specifics this much time later, but it was the impression I had after viewing. I thought, "does she just lack manners?" There's been so much written of how cold she is at the meet & greets, won't acknowledge fans, etc. I don't think it's arrogance but she seems to lack feelings and some emotions. (I'd wondered if she enjoyed having a sarcastic edge because she thought it made her look clever or cool.) She's just not gracious. I know a lot has been written about narcissisim or other things that might ail her but it had seemed to me she just lacked social skills including being courteous and polite. Wouldn't your normal reaction be, in a store if you bumped somebody with your cart or had a near-miss, to spontaneously say, "oops, sorry, almost got ya there," or some small comment, delivered with a smile? Something is missing.

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This bothers me too. The woman cannot muster an ounce of enthusiasm for another human being. Like when she was saying goodbye to the wedding planner, or to the carriage driver in this last episode - well, virtually every time Khate is introduced to someone or takes leave of someone - she is a cold, limp fish. Compare her with Jon, as he introduces himself to the ski instructors in Utah. He's genuinely friendly and enthusiastic and grateful for the opportunity. Khate is only friendly and animated when she's flirting and cackling directly to the cameras. We're not supposed to give any psychological diagnoses, so I will keep my armchair diagnosis to myself, haha. But - man - the witch is a textbook case of it!!!

stopthemadness said...

2badsosad said...
On Larry King Live last night, Dr. Drew questioned Jon's motives to stop the filming of his children stating that he (Dr. Drew) would like to see Jon to further substantiate his claim of 'determent to the children' and give examples of how/why the continued filming is detrimentally affecting his children. I for one do not feel it is necessary for Jon to further expose his children by way of discussing their emotional and mental vulnerabilites just to appease the curiosity of Dr. Drew. As a professional in his field, Dr. Drew should be of the knowledge and experience to know that there is IN DEED an element of validity to JOn's concerns, regardless of timing, and leave it at that.

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I agree. With all the stories we hear nowadays about child actors (one of the top stories on msn homepage right now) there should be no necessity of Jon detailing why he thinks it's to the kids' detriment; it's none of Dr Drew's Frigging business what the details are - he only wants to know so he can talk about it and give his opinions as to wwhether it's valid. Just being asked if it's detrimental doesn't leave him much to say - how can he even disagree, when all he has to go on is the father saying it IS and TLC saying it is NOT? They are trying to goad him into a defensive position and he should IMO stay strong - now you finally seemed to grow a pair, Jon, don't be put in the position of having to explain yourself. They ARE your kids and the decision can be as private as you want it to be. In fact if I were he and they asked me what my reasons were I wuold simply state that I was not going to respond to those questions but would be taking the high road. The general issues of lack of privacy, stress, having to be "on" all the time- not getting paid, time apart from parents that isn't fraught, missing school or learning/ developmental opportunities, having their pain and their disintegrating family become dinner time talk for America - it's all there for people to understand, Jon doesn't need to feel he has to feed Dr Drew's nosiness. It's not about what Dr Drew thinks about the issue, it is what it is.

Kate Don't Rate said...

Soosie said...

Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.
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Oh, yes. Very mature example for her kids, indeed. And, anyway. The lowly groundskeeper can pick it up. I hate Khate.

Pasadena Mom said...

Just my opinion, but Dr Drew is an internist who makes a living exploiting addicts. Why would anyone think he's someone to consult about whether a TV show is good for the kids? He's deluded enough to think it's OK to display his alleged patients for TV entertainment and his financial gain. He's part of the machine.

(Talk about your narcissists - there's another one in the flesh.)

stopthemadness said...

How to support a family of 8 with two working parents? Get your own show. Do motivational speaking, write books. Become spokesperson for some organization or some kind of business, the Ed Hardy idea. Get a logo and lend your brand to children's clothing or start a stupid franchise of kids upscale haircuts.

The other thing however is to learn to live within your means as people who HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS BUT TO EXPLOIT YOUR KIDS. If that is your position - that this show and exploiting the kids is the only way you have to make money - then that is just pathetic, and if that is the case then you damn sure better be downsizing since you apparently are aware you do not have any skills between you that could allow you to raise the family to the level it suddenly got accustomed to when you were working your kids like a sweat shop.

I think their real issue is how do we suppor thte family TO THIS LEVEL and WITHOUT WWORKING AT REAL JOBS and in such as way that we MAINTAIN OUR CELEBRITY, and the answer to that may simply be - you don't. You don't have any right to use these kids this way and you don't have any other talent on your own that makes you a celebrity so yeah, sell the big house and condos and what not and supplement your income however you make money, with the millions you can get from the house sale and from downsizing and savings, provided they weren't totally stupid and put some of that money in the bank.

Why are we being asked how to helpo Kate preserve her celebrity lifestyle as if that is the top priority? Who cares if she fades into oblivion? If she can't get another show and make it on her own that is exactly where she desreves to be and it has happened before hundreds of times and will happen again. One trick pony loses their show and having been financially stupid, ends up broke and ignored by Hollywood.

JFS in IL said...

How old were the Dionne Quints when the government stop exploiting them and gave them back to their family?????

I really do not think the Gosselin kids have it much different. Those will be some sad, messed up teens soon.

Lauren said...

Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.
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I saw those pictures. She is driving the van off the property and so she took it off in full view of the paps. Why didn't she take it down earlier? She just wanted the paps to see her take it down. I love how she threw it on the ground. Bitch.

On another note, I wonder how Kate would feel if she knew how much TLC made off of her and her family. K&J make a measley 22,500/episode according to Jon. Jon woke up and he sees the forest through the trees and realizes that his kids need to be off TV. But Kate wants to keep the show going. She is being taken advantage of by TLC and she doesn't even know it. Kate is TLC's bitch.

GoAwayKate said...

I think part of what pisses Kate off about Jon is that he's had at least two girlfriends and no one will get near her except possibly her married body guard. Everyone saw Kate hand her husband his balls in a Dixie Cup on national television and no one wants a piece of that. Meanwhile, Jon whom Kate labels immature, a loser, etc. has women flocking to him.

GoAwayKate said...

The Dilley family, who had the first set of sextuplets in America, are a great example of how to raise a large family without exploiting them. Their children are now 16 and well-adjusted.

The family worked hard to provide for their children with the mother working as a nurse (sound familiar Kate?) and the dad staying home while they were babies.

Later on, the dad worked while the mom was home and then they both were working, just depending on what the kids needed. They did not exploit their children, ever. They did a once-a-year update with one of the networks and that was pretty much it.

They were given a house, but then couldn't afford it so they sold it and moved into a smaller one. They both worked (see above). Never did they make their children a source of income.

It can be done.

fidosmommy said...

It would strike me how she wasn't friendly when meeting someone for the first time on the show, like someone coming to work on their home or something. It was inappropriate response...abnormal interraction. I can't remember specifics this much time later, but it was the impression I had after viewing. I thought, "does she just lack manners?" There's been so much written of how cold she is at the meet & greets, won't acknowledge fans, etc. I don't think it's arrogance but she seems to lack feelings and some emotions.

*****

Yes, you are right. Sadly, it goes beyond being able to give another adult the time of day, it
extends to her children. They seem to be a passing nod in her day and little else.

It is easy to talk about loving your children. It's something else for them to know it just from the way you interact with them on a regular basis. Kate's all talk with very little real emotion for her children.

I heard someone on the Oprah show one time ask parents "Does your face light up when your child walks into the room?" Well, Kate, does it? They notice these things. They calculate their worth to you by these small instances in their daily life, not by how many fancy trips somebody else schedules for them.

Kate Don't Rate said...

JFS in IL said...

How old were the Dionne Quints when the government stop exploiting them and gave them back to their family?????

I really do not think the Gosselin kids have it much different. Those will be some sad, messed up teens soon.

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Boy, you've got that right. I'm a newly retired teacher - middle school; and high school emotional/behavioral problem kids. I'm telling you, my heart just breaks for these kids. I only hope that they've got Mady in therapy right now - Cara, too - but Mady is...well, we all know. Every time Khate makes light of Mady's outbursts, I want to beat the woman upside the head with her pointy stiletto. And letting Mady get away with pounding on the tups? Downright dangerous.

And sweet little Joel. Oh how I agonize over that child. So kind. so thoughtful. How will he ever make it through middle school in one piece?? I sure wish that Jon would take custody of the boys. Well, all of the kids.

Remember when Cara had a meltdown over which shoes to wear to that Dutch carnival place? And Khate caved and let Cara wear the shoes she wanted? "Expert" mother Khate, who gets paid $25,000 big ones to speak about her expertise, explained that - in the shoe instance - "I like to save the battles for later in the day, when we can't do anything about them anyway." Something like that. Oh, good, Khate, very good parenting. Yes,
when your kids are messed-up, hurting teens, and the icky boys are BIGGER than you.........you're gonna wish you had more skills in your parenting arsenal than that wooden spoon.

CC said...

Sorry if this has already been posted...somewhere on GWoP. Aunt Jodi's sister "explains" her previous post of "timing is everything" on her blog. Very well written, as always.

CC said...

sayitisntso33 said...
Does this description remind you of anyone?

So what is a narcissist? Someone who preens in front of the mirror all day in admiration? NOT! Ask yourself this: is your partner intensely angered by anything that seems to suggest that he or she might have a flaw? Narcissists will do anything, including brutalizing their own family, to maintain their own feeling that others see them as without any flaws. And, narcissists have extreme and illogical sensitivities, sometimes connecting the most minute observations with their intense fears of being seen as flawed. Narcissists will strain every muscle to meet their own "flawless" image, and demean or destroy anyone or anything who casts any doubt on this image.

WHERE did you find this?? Was HER picture next to it also??? I have said since day one of the original show, "that woman is a narcissist". Seriously, WHERE is this information you posted??

Exhausted said...

In Her Own World said...

It would bother me, on earlier episodes of previous seasons of the show, how unappreciative she appeared when given something.

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I noticed this on the hair transplant episode when Jodi showed up so early in the morning with ALL her kids in tow (some of them sick no less!) so J+K could catch their plane, and Kate barely acknowledged her. We have two children, and we've never had someone who would do something so nice and generous for us. If we did, we wouldn't be able to stop saying how grateful we were.

I think they just got so spoiled early on, even when they just had twins. I think family members tried to help "poor Kate" out a lot by watching the twins to make things easier. When the tups came, it was a free for all. I think neighbors were weeding for them, people were bringing in supplies and cash and gift cards, and companies were lining up with freebies. Kate delegated every chore to someone, especially dealing with the kids (why should new parents have to wake up overnight!? How absurd to think!), and made it her job to just count the money.

Better people could keep their head above water through all of this, but Kate had "something missing" as you say, even then. In her book (please hurt me for reading it), she even says that she was so sick at her sister's wedding, which translates to the fact that she was trying to take the attention from her sister, the bride, and steal the spotlight.

Almost all of us would die to have the favors and gifts and help Jon and Kate have gotten, but they never really seemed to appreciate it. Imagine having someone fold and put away your laundry each week! Just that would make our year. They are both, I think, spoiled weird children.

Can't See Sheep said...

Just wondering said...

With the talk about when Steve showed up on the scene and Beth left, it brings to mind a question. If Steve is Kate's "minder", does anyone know of any incident that happened around the time he showed up that would clue us to why she now has a bodyguard? Did she have a fit somewhere?
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Was this the trip they had to wait around on the plane for awhile & Kate lost it & burst into tears? I know it was one of them where this happened. An unexpected, unplanned lay over or something & she was having problems dealing with it, what with the 8 kids & all? It's been so long I don't recall the particulars.

Can't See Sheep said...

JFS in IL said...

How old were the Dionne Quints when the government stop exploiting them and gave them back to their family?????
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They were 9 years old, so a year older than the twins are now.

my9cats said...

GoAwayKate said...
I think part of what pisses Kate off about Jon is that he's had at least two girlfriends and no one will get near her except possibly her married body guard. Everyone saw Kate hand her husband his balls in a Dixie Cup on national television and no one wants a piece of that. Meanwhile, Jon whom Kate labels immature, a loser, etc. has women flocking to him.


ITA. Kate's not sobbing (hate that pretensious word) because she's getting divorced. She's crying (there that's better) because she's stunned by how fast she was replaced. Poor Kate's ego can't hadle it. Oh well....

mlou said...

It sickens me when Dr. Drew and all these other so called experts say that these children are not being harmed.

First of all,the concept of children being in reality television shows has not been around long enough to make an assessment on the long term effects.

Secondly, we all know the effects of child television stars: suicide, alcoholism, drug abuse, the list goes on and on. The difference is that these children were not even playing themselves.

The Gosselin kids will forever have their milestones in the public eye. All these "doctors" that just want to keep their names in the media need to SHUT UP & GO AWAY. In about 20 years they will realize that they screwed up but it will be too late because the damage will already have been done.

Any person with common sense should know that children do not belong in reality television. Frankly, I am sick of reality TV altogether.

my9cats said...

My Little Cat said
edited out


OK sheeple. I confess. I’m juss jellus.
For years I’ve harbored a dream to become a national laughing stock and the butt of jokes.
KON has achieved my dream. Damn. All I've achieved is the ‘butt’.

sillyrabbit said...

Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.

Look, 'Can Do' Kate removed that sign and threw it on the ground ALL BY HERSELF.

9 years old in Oct. said...

The twins will be 9 next week.

She has always been nuts said...

In the old house, before the Etown house, when the tups were about one, Kate had a million notes stuck up all over the house, especially in the kitchen, spelling everything out word by word, and numbered, for all the "helpers" Its was said she went through 40 helpers and sitters that she fired for practically breathing. Kate has always been a NUT. Yes, shes nuts.

You go girl said...

Atta girl Kate, you go girl, take down that sign all by yourself. Wow, now you "put in a screen" AND took down a sign by yourself! What a trooper.

8POE's said...

I don't know how successful Jon can be w/all this. I mean they wouldn't have any of what they have w/out the show. Won't a judge point that out? The Konpound, kitchen, "solary" panels, etc. I want the kids off the show but it's gonna be hard after what all the show has gotten them.

I've been thinking alot about the
confidentiality contracts(CC). I'm guessing they must be signed on the front end, when someone comes on scene, but even still, I don't see why they sign unless there's a "signing bonus" and maybe a stipend.

After they're let go I don't see it. If I get fired, then told to sign a CC, no! What if I don't? You gonna fire me? You just did. If I'm given a signing bonus and a stipend, yeah, I'll sign. This MUST be what's happening. Why else would they sign?

They have to be spending alot in "hush money" Wish someone would ask about that too, the CC's. I just don't understand why CC's are successful if $$$ isn't involved. Coming or going, I'm NOT signing a CC w/out $$$.

The big money question is, WHY are they needed? What ARE they hiding? How much is silence costing them?

MossHill said...

Can't See Sheep said...
Just wondering said...

... If Steve is Kate's "minder", does anyone know of any incident that happened around the time he showed up that would clue us to why she now has a bodyguard? Did she have a fit somewhere?
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Was this the trip they had to wait around on the plane for awhile & Kate lost it & burst into tears?
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10/03/2009 7:23 PM

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Oh no - Steve was on that plane to Utah ["nooo one wants us, there's toooooo many of us !!!], sitting right behind Kate

Robin said...

why hasn't their old house sold?

Kate Don't Rate said...

MossHill said...

Can't See Sheep said...
Just wondering said...

... If Steve is Kate's "minder", does anyone know of any incident that happened around the time he showed up that would clue us to why she now has a bodyguard? Did she have a fit somewhere?
= = = =
Was this the trip they had to wait around on the plane for awhile & Kate lost it & burst into tears?
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10/03/2009 7:23 PM

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Oh no - Steve was on that plane to Utah ["nooo one wants us, there's toooooo many of us !!!], sitting right behind Kate

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And, remember, poor Beth was holding Alexis, I think, who was throwing a screaming, full-body tantrum. But did Khate say to Beth, "Oh, here, let me take her, she's my child, after all..."? H no!! Khate just sat there on her royal Pity Pot, moaning, like you said, that "there's tooo many of us..." Whoa is meeeee........it's all about meeeee....my kids are swinging from the oxygen masks, but,everybody.....
you've got to take care of meeeeee!

Reese said...

Everyone saw Kate hand her husband his balls in a Dixie Cup on national television and no one wants a piece of that.
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No man wants a piece of that. They might have a fling with her, few nights stand. I highly doubt any man wants to be her long term boyfriend or husband. Even man whore won't stay for money. It's not worth it. They can find another woman less abusive easily.

go away gosselins said...

Saw the Mary Hart interview with Jon. He seemed so sincere. Really forceful in the fact that he WANTS his kids off tv! Wow. But, he was just as forceful when he said that they were NOT being exploited, and when he insulted Kevin and Jodi.

Did I hear someone say that they heard Jon say he called Jodi?

April said...

Not one celebrity drug addict is cured by Dr. Drew. NOT ONE!!! Dr. Drew is a failure. He is not qualified to analyze Jon's behavior as an expert. Dr. Drew doesn't know anything.

The only reason those celebrities come on Dr. Drew's show is because they need money to buy more drugs. They are addicts and can't get gigs. They come on the show for the 6 figures salary to buy more drugs not for seeking help. They know Dr. Drew is a crappy doctor and can't help them at all. They just play along to get their money.

Momof2 said...

April said...

Not one celebrity drug addict is cured by Dr. Drew. NOT ONE!!! Dr. Drew is a failure. He is not qualified to analyze Jon's behavior as an expert. Dr. Drew doesn't know anything.

The only reason those celebrities come on Dr. Drew's show is because they need money to buy more drugs. They are addicts and can't get gigs. They come on the show for the 6 figures salary to buy more drugs not for seeking help. They know Dr. Drew is a crappy doctor and can't help them at all. They just play along to get their money.
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Yea...just one reality show "star" criticizing another...

Momof2 said...

Robin said...

why hasn't their old house sold?
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Because there's a curse on it and everyone knows about it......LOL.

momoffour said...

Jon is a moron and Kate is a moron. There isn't anything that these two could do to remotely earn a living that they are accustomed too. I had to laugh when Jon said he managed by a Talent Agency. What kind of talent do either of those two have? Kate, a nurse but reportedly not too kind and Jon, acting like a big 15 year-old?

Someone other than those two needs to be appointed conservator over the kids estate, they are the "talents", not "Jon" and not "Kate".

Just done with it all said...

I really want to be team Jon, I have backed him from the beginning but now he shows up doing the Ho-stroll with his attorney in H-wood.

That's it, I am offically done. It's all a farce, no one is in it for the kids...it's all fame and $$$ for both.

I am sick now

Sorry kids, no hope at all said...

edited to add:
out with attorney photographed at Millions of Milkshakes where he now has a shake namd after himself.
I really thought the attorney was going to get him under control and curb this ****.

Apparently not ot lawyer has gone Gosselin too.
Sorry guys, I just can't stand by him any longer.

enoughalready said...

I think that ths whole J&K busines has really hit a new low and I am slowly beginning to detest the whole sordid subject.

I was channel surfing and caught Jon on the insider weekend where he sits on a panel of 4 other people and basically puts himself on the firng line - I ask you this JOn - Why?

Why go on a media blitz like its some kind of "entertainment". This is a serious matter, it involves children, their livelihood, etc etc. and legally its a very important case as it may even set case precedents and legal history in teh making as far as children on television goes. But here you (Jon) and Ms Spiteful, are endearing yourselves to media exposure like you people are more concerned about yourselves,your image, your facetime on air, than your cause.

Its disgusting. And I saw promos of Nancy Grace "persecuting" you with raised voices, ugly faces, etc - WTH ? Does everyone in Hollywood now want to jump in and join the bandwagon?

Please stop it. Are you entertaining us or are you seeking justice for your children?

BTW, that soon to be ex-wife of yours needs to be reminded that she is not flavor of the month, never has been and in fact she is getting pretty stale to the point where people will throw her out like stale bread.

Fame, Fortune & Fifteen mins! said...

GoAwayKate said...
I think part of what pisses Kate off about Jon is that he's had at least two girlfriends and no one will get near her except possibly her married body guard. Everyone saw Kate hand her husband his balls in a Dixie Cup on national television and no one wants a piece of that. Meanwhile, Jon whom Kate labels immature, a loser, etc. has women flocking to him.
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Wow. There's so much to dispute in this comment I don't even know where to start. All I'll say is the female company Jon keeps is not something to brag about or be proud of.

You can't possibly believe any of those flocking women legitimately want to be with him because they like him?

alsoamomtotwins said...

Lauren said . . . Jon woke up and he sees the forest through the trees and realizes that his kids need to be off TV.
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Nope, Jon's lawyer got ahold of the contract that Jon and Kate signed and saw a pile of money to be gotten in that forest and was only to eager to help Jon try to sue TLC so he could get his percentage.

An attorney with any moral fiber, class or a good case goes to court. They don't go to Larry King Live.

I refuse to watch them said...

I will no longer watch a single program, talk show or gossip show that either one of them are on. I refuse to add ONE DIME to their already overdone and wasteful lifestyle. They are both on the tv and magazine circuit now and are raking in the big money. I will not contribute to them and if I see their faces on tv, will turn the channel.

alsoamomtotwins said...

enoughalready said . . .
Why go on a media blitz like its some kind of "entertainment". This is a serious matter, it involves children, their livelihood, etc etc. and legally its a very important case . ..

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Exactly enoughalready! If Jon truly wanted his kids off TV, and if his attorney was just trying to make that happen, they wouldn't be parading around the talk show circuit. They'd be in court. They'd file injunctions. They'd be asking a judge, who actually has authority in the matter, to take action.

Posting a sign on a gate and telling LK that you won't let TLC film your kids any more is a publicity stunt and nothing more.

Just watch, next Jon is going to be sued by TLC and his attorney will make a whole bunch of money defending him and Jon will end up penniless after paying that attorney.

Jon just never learns. He takes advise from whomever offers it and doesn't take two seconds to think.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Wow. There's so much to dispute in this comment I don't even know where to start. All I'll say is the female company Jon keeps is not something to brag about or be proud of.

You can't possibly believe any of those flocking women legitimately want to be with him because they like him?"
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There's a lid for every pot.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Why go on a media blitz like its some kind of "entertainment". This is a serious matter, it involves children, their livelihood, etc etc. and legally its a very important case as it may even set case precedents and legal history in teh making as far as children on television goes. But here you (Jon) and Ms Spiteful, are endearing yourselves to media exposure like you people are more concerned about yourselves,your image, your facetime on air, than your cause."

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Totally agree! He made a decent start at getting his credibilty back, and he's very rapidly back-sliding. He needs to stop while he's ahead! ENOUGH! Get back to the business at hand, which is taking care of the children and giving them back whatever "normal" childhood they have left!

Big WoodenSpoon said...

Fame, Fortune & Fifteen mins! said...
GoAwayKate said...
I think part of what pisses Kate off about Jon is that he's had at least two girlfriends and no one will get near her except possibly her married body guard.

*edited for brevity*

Wow. There's so much to dispute in this comment I don't even know where to start. All I'll say is the female company Jon keeps is not something to brag about or be proud of.

You can't possibly believe any of those flocking women legitimately want to be with him because they like him?

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Do you honestly think Kate has the brains or the insight to see that? I think Kate sees her former slave and blame-recipient in the company of competition -- ANY competition -- and enjoying himself and is jealous.
Also, by all accounts (from his friends), Jon is a really nice person.
All I can say is that Kate looks a lot more sluttish than any of Jon's girlfriends!

JMO

Pa Mom Knows said...

"The E-town house the G's still own was a decent size for a family of ten, and they had plenty of land to add on if they wanted to do so. What they've made off the show could have paid off their mortgage, expanded the house, and put money into the bank for each the kids in the future. And with the kids in full time school next year, it would be a breeze for both parents to be working."

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Once you've had a taste of the good life, it's difficult to get back to being just your average, run-of-the-mill family. It's like the old song goes, "How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm, after they've seen Paree?" Of course it can be done, if you're willing. Problem is, are they willing? Maybe not so much!

stopthemadness said...

The talent Jon and Kate have is and always was the conflict or dynamic between them, and around the kids/family.

In this media sh*t storm they are just doing what they've always done to get money, only now that they aren't married and living together they have to do it this way,

I'm just really surprised TLC is willing to let their own reputation be pulled under and the sponsors too, at some point no matter how much fun it is to watch Jon be flayed alive, will have to deicide whether that fits in with their overall strategy. As far as children's things like Juicy Juice and such it probaly does not.

I think they got Steve originally because Kate hates other people and also because she had that drunk dirivng or whatever the hit and run thing was. Imagine seeing her on a mug shot for killinga pedestrian or something - there goes $168M cash cow for TLC, it's probably well worth it to have Steve there protecting their interests.

stopthemadness said...

I hope if Jon is asked about the show and the issue of it being a reality show he mails them on this, the last two YEARS were fake, they didn't sleep together, Kate said as much in her divorce proceedings, the wedding was fake - now that is not REALITY and it sure isn'ta documentary. We saw a carefully chosen set of circumstances, that makes it a show and the kids actors.

Jon can be excused for not knowing this as most people didn't know about these various rules and issues until this show brought them out.

chesterctymom said...

sillyrabbit said...

Did you see the latest photos of Khate removing the no TLC filming sign from the gate? She removed it and left it lay on the ground. Such class.

Look, 'Can Do' Kate removed that sign and threw it on the ground ALL BY HERSELF.


I'm sure she has someone on staff to pick it up.

My Opinion said...

How many times has Dr. Drew had Jeff Conway on his "reality" show? How sad was it to see Knickey like that? Yes it may be reality and yes Jeff Conway may have signed a contract but it was also exploitation. Why would anyone think that Dr. Drew would say that exploting the Gosselin kids is wrong?

Ohio Buckeye said...

FameFortune&amp said......

re: the young women flocking to be with Jon....

And, if we are to be stupid enough to believe what's on TV, young bimbettes can't get enough of that old goat, Hugh Hefner, too. AS IF he's ever been, muchless now in his decrepitude, some irresistable Sex God. Puhleeeeeze, people. The man in his smoking jacket and pacifier-pipe and these days his JAMMIES - give me a break (and barf bucket, please)

TV is such total b.s.

Vanessa said...

Oh Man, now Jon's emptied their joint bankaccount? WTF?? I hope his lawyer knows what he's doing!!

the ship is sinking said...

And now ROL is saying Jon pretty much wiped out their joint bank account. Hmmmmmm it just doesn't ever end does it. I am sure she will totally bash him tomorrow on the Today show. I wish Julie would tell us what is really going on. She knows we believe her and Jodi. sigh

The poor kids. My mother was/is a nasty woman sometimes but Kate still takes the cake for Shrew of the century.

silimom said...

First off, he was at the ice cream event with his publicist, who is the son of Jon's new attorney. Secondly, I'm not sure why this bugs people. He didn't bring the kids.

I have no issue with either Jon or Kate using their own names and images to earn money - I don't personally think either one has much talent or that they have any long term hope of maintaining a career in entertainment but they can try. My main concern is from this point forward they don't involve the kids in any of these new "business ventures".

Ms.Peach said...

silimom said...
First off, he was at the ice cream event with his publicist, who is the son of Jon's new attorney. Secondly, I'm not sure why this bugs people. He didn't bring the kids.

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Because it's Kate's custody turn.

Ms.Peach said...

Vanessa said...
Oh Man, now Jon's emptied their joint bankaccount? WTF?? I hope his lawyer knows what he's doing!!
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If true, and I seriously have problems with Radar, then Jon's lawyer is twisting the screws on Kate. It is unbelieveable that during a separation they would have a joint checking account. I did some research online since I have never been divorced, but if you keep a joint account, which is stupid, a spouse can empty out the account and it can take a looooong time to get reimbursed. Maybe this is Jon's move to take over the family finances because Kate has hidden money from him?

she is evil said...

Why would Jon empty out their joint account? He would be found in contempt UNLESS he's trying to force an issue here. How much you wanna bet Kate has not treated him fairly money wise and he's doing this to force her to open her books? He couldn't be that dumb to do this without a plan

Free2be said...

I do not have a problem with Jon earning money from his media appearances. He is going to have to earn tons of money in order to win his case against TLC. Lawsuits against major corporations are not cheap.

TLC is a powerful media giant with very deep pockets. They are already doing everything in their power to discredit Jon through their media friends. They are playing dirty.

TLC is not about to let these children go without a long drawn out fight.

s said...

Sorry, I just find the "timing" of his announcement to be too coincidental to him being cut from the show. He would have had more creditbility with me, if he had stated this same issue, say, 2 or 4 months ago. Oh, I forgot, he was in France with one of his girl friends.

The whole situation is sad, and a train wreck. I used to like this show, a young couple, who had these kids, and were a family, making the best of it, a true commitment to family values. That is why I loved the show. The "fantasy" that those values still counted and meant something. Now, the show is just gross. And sad.

enough about Jon said...

This milkshake thing was advertised a while back. He did not suddenly get this gig and decide to show up. Should he break that contract too?

Midnight Serenade said...

Ms. Peach said:

I did some research online since I have never been divorced, but if you keep a joint account, which is stupid, a spouse can empty out the account and it can take a looooong time to get reimbursed.

If it's a simple no-fault divorce and it's a joint account, each party has access to it. However, if there is an agreement when the divorce papers are filed that neither can access the account without the permission of the other, then it's in violation of the agreement. In this case, it's really strange because what should have been done is to have separate accounts established so that this didn't happen. I don't understand that she and her attorneys didn't see this coming.

LP said...

This was written about kate's new lawyer back in 2000:

"But it is Singer's ability to make prying journalists back off that's made him so valuable--he charges $400 an hour--to folks who are sensitive about their private lives."

$400 an hour 9 years ago...wonder what his rates are now. Who is paying the bill on this TLC or kate? He's a lawyer to the stars.

Also, has anyone told him that kate loves the publicity and is not at all sensitive about her private life? After all, it's been on TLC for all the world to see.

This is going to get very messy indeed. Maybe TLC can do a show on the divorce and name it Jon Against Kate - Watch Them Screw the 8 (out of their money)!

Harriet said...

I sadly know quite a few people who have gone through a divorce and I'm also divorced. I set up a separate account as soon as my ex started muttering the word divorce. Most people who are thinking do so. It's almost a cliche that one spouse cleans out joint accounts if they are left standing. In the long run, it means nothing. They will end up selling the houses (or one buying the other out) and it will all settle in the wash. It's irritating more than anything.

Not a fan of either said...

It may be difficult to go back to their old life but I predict that once this is all over Jon & Kate will be broke and both lawyers will be very, very rich.

Go away said...

Previously it was stated on this blog that Kate was hiding $200K from Jon. Jon's lawyer asked where the money was and Kate said it was saved for the children. Today we hear that Jon as taken $200K (I believe that's the sum being reported) from the account. Interesting huh?

good thought, but I don't think that's it.. said...

"Go away said...

Previously it was stated on this blog that Kate was hiding $200K from Jon. Jon's lawyer asked where the money was and Kate said it was saved for the children. Today we hear that Jon as taken $200K (I believe that's the sum being reported) from the account. Interesting huh?"

Actually that was $100,000 (supposedly hidden in the house) and I believe when it was discovered that Kate had put $80,000 into an account for the kids, Jon dropped his accusations.

pinkdiamond611 said...

They only have $200,000 in the bank after all these years on the show? And what kind of lawyers do they have that they didn't have a legal freeze on all the accounts? Something doesn't add up.

she is evil said...

If you google "gosselin bank account", most of the links say "jon empties KATE'S bank account", not their account. The links later go on to say it's the joint account that was emptied. More evidence of bias against Jon

How did ROL find this out anyway?

stopthemadness said...

she is evil said...
Why would Jon empty out their joint account? He would be found in contempt UNLESS he's trying to force an issue here.
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Not necessarily. If they have a joint account either one of them can take money out, that is the nature of a joint account. Who says Jon wont' use it to pay the mortgage?

If she left money in a joint account, stupid her.

Because the money from the show was paid to the Gosselin family it's up to whoever has control of that money - either of them - how the money is spent. Kate can take $100,000 and put it in a trust account "for the kids" that he can't get ahold of - however if she's the parent on the trust she can get it. He can't. Since it's both of their money and both of their "family" Kate acted first in hiding money from Jon or preventing him from having access to it, you could see the trust account as being her sad ass attempt to make it look like she is protecting the kids when in fact if it's her social security number on the account she controls it and can remove it.

it depends on who has access to the account. My boss is going thru a divorce where his wife accused him of hiding money from her, in other accounts, therefore she went into their joint accounts and "froze" them until the end of the divorse - including one he CLAIMED was for their daughter's college, however, was in his trust, so he could pull it out but she could not. $200,000 for a 4 year college that won't amount to half of that.

This is all lawyer stuff. TLC is trying to bankrupt Jon by preventing him from being part of the "new" Kate plus 8 show, and holding him to his contract. He willl then do what he can do to prevent her from having access to the money that is paid to them jointly, I'm surprised her lawyers didn't pull this money first.

If it's a small amount - under $100,000 - they may have done it just to get him to do this very thing, so they could accuse him of doing it in the media.

However ifit's been her practice to hide money from him he would have no reason to trust that she would not also get at this money.

This is about money and who can afford to have lawyers and pay bills and whose feet will be held to the fire, because they have no money, so they are forced to deal.

Jon's lawyer is doing the lawyerly thing to give him some parity and some leverage so that Jon is not a victim of TLC's decisions about the show, so that Kate is forced to deal, or not be able to pay bills- she is doing the exact same thing only worse, in having the TLC lawyers try to screw him so he has no money and no choices. In order to think Jons the bad guy here you have to believe that Kate and her legal team and TLC 's legal team has a fair and equitable division of property in mind, a fair deal for the show, and I don't have that idea at all.

They have tried every way that is legal and some that are not necessarily legal, in order to make sure Jon is left with no leg to stand on. His lawyer will do the same. he's going to be made an ass of on Nancy Grace; I would NEVER do that show without agreeing to questions that could be asked and without my lawyer present to answer them with me.

Jon can indicate that he will pay the mortgage and kids' school bills, that he wants to have contorl of some of the money since her laywers are trying to force him to sign off on things he does not want to sign off on; he needs money to fight. With Kate Plus 8 as the show and her as the only person getting paid for that show, she would have all the money and all the power and the show continuing, despite his feeling that it is not in thje kids' best interest, would be a done deal.

If he goes on Nancy Grace and gets skewered, too bad for him, if he's dumb enough to do it on his own and with out a lawyer, if he goes on, he needs to have a lawyer and stick to the script of what is good for the kids, and hit back at Nancy if she implies that he is taking money FROM the kids - how does she know he won't use it to support them? It's half his. they have taken more than that from him.

Fed Up said...

If Jon did clean out the account let's hope that he put the money in an account for the kids. This is the only way that he will be able to redeme himself and show that he isn't a greedy money grubbing fool (but I suspect that he is just that as it kate). I am tired of the two of them and will not click on any more stories about them.

Not a fan of either said...

Julie's post regarding what she meant by her timing statement is insightful and pulls me back to the important issue here. That would be the children being taken advantage of by TLC with no laws in place to protect them. Hopefully if anything good can come out of this mess it will be that no children will ever again be exploited by networks like TLC regardless of what the parent's motives are.

Lower Heidelberg Neighbor said...

I know a wonderful faith filled family...He works. She stays at home with the kids. They homeschool. More than 8 kids...they are happy together, loving and they cope beautifully in a house that is much too small. Not a lot of pedicures and manicures though but lots of love. They did it and the Gosselin's can too without a show.

Rich Man, Poor Man said...

PaMomKnows:

"Once you've had a taste of the good life, it's difficult to get back to being just your average, run-of-the-mill family...it can be done, if you're willing. Problem is, are they willing? Maybe not so much!"
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This is so true. One step forward, two steps back. It feels like failure; deprivation (oh-woe-is-me, huh!). You can get very accustomed to money and a certain lifestyle. If you've always had money, you don't know how to live without it. If you were always poor, you don't know the difference. The rich person having lost it all, definitely knows the difference. I'd much rather be a poor girl who eventually wound up with money, than the rich girl who eventually wound up with none.

LauraM said...

Something doesn't jive about Jon taking money from the Joint account

So the big controversy is that Jon took money without Kate's consent.
Yet, from the same radar online story, Kate is claiming that she received overdraft fees by pulling money form that account.

So, she can pull money from that account, but Jon can't? Am I not understanding something?

alsoamomtotwins said...

So, she can pull money from that account, but Jon can't? Am I not understanding something?
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It's been communicated on here before that Kate was given authority by the court to manage the couple's finances. I would guess she was paying bills and received overdraft notices.

If ROL is telling the truth Jon took out hundreds of thousands of dollars, not a couple hundred from the ATM.

Miranda said...

2badsosad said...

On Larry King Live last night, Dr. Drew questioned Jon's motives to stop the filming of his children stating that he (Dr. Drew) would like to see Jon to further substantiate his claim of 'determent to the children' and give examples of how/why the continued filming is detrimentally affecting his children. I for one do not feel it is necessary for Jon to further expose his children by way of discussing their emotional and mental vulnerabilites just to appease the curiosity of Dr. Drew

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2bad: I'm not a fan of Dr. Drew, but I interpreted his comments differently --I thought he was saying that Larry King didn't give Jom a chance to "make his case" & that he thinks Jon should have an opportunity to do that.

I don't know if I'm right or not, that was just my impression. Anybody else have an opinion?

Finally said...

Fed Up said...

If Jon did clean out the account let's hope that he put the money in an account for the kids. This is the only way that he will be able to redeme himself and show that he isn't a greedy money grubbing fool (but I suspect that he is just that as it kate). I am tired of the two of them and will not click on any more stories about them.

10/04/2009 3:53 PM


I'm not sure but if there is a court order that says he cannot do that w/o Kate's consent then no matter what he did with the money it was still illegal and wrong.

Midnight Serenade said...

Whatever happened to the "it's a beautiful life, it's a beautiful world" ditty? It's such a shame that the lyrics to this don't hold true in the current fiasco:

"Leave all your cares behind you
The sun is rising
Turn around -it's right in front of you
and it's a beautiful life
and it's a beautiful time
to be here, to be here, to be here"

shilohpeace said...

OMG. Why didn't we sstick with shows like "My Three Sons" or "Andy of Mayberry" or "Leave it to Beaver". We are all getting caught up in a vortex that is taking us down, down, down. I was so happy about Jon's efforts last week and now the news that his lawyer is a sheister - and is known to get his clients to take all their money out. If this is true, then poor Jon. He cannot win as far as meeting the right people in his life. First he meets and marries a monster who isolates him from his friends and family. Now this lawyer? I hope and pray that it isn't true. I suspect that Kate took money out of this account without Jon's consent, to start the kids funds. Remember when there was some news about Jon noticing there were a bunch of missing funds a while back and that Kate had taken the funds to set up a trust fund for the kids at about 80K. If she did that without his permission, then maybe he is doing something similar to what she did.

I don't know. I am just praying that there will be an end to this, but the reality is that in my lifetime, it will not end. The kids will grow up to be the most famous kids on the planet and this is reality. The world is always going to be interested in the gosselin kids, and by default, their two idiotic parents. Lord help us! Please, Kate and Jon, do something right, please.

Fed Up said...

Finally said...

I'm not sure but if there is a court order that says he cannot do that w/o Kate's consent then no matter what he did with the money it was still illegal and wrong
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ITA with you I was just hoping that his motives might be pure...

Jayley said...

Talk about cleaning out accounts--TLC cleaned out a couple of accounts, no wait, 10 of them. Khate has cleaned out the emotional accounts of 8 children who relied on her for protection, sold out their privacy, childhoods,and relationships with their father. Khate CLEANED OUT her family for self-serving, selfish, and greedy reasons. Get off the talk shows hateful Khate, spend some time with your children.

anotherthing... said...

stopthemadness... you said EXACTLY what was going thru my head. except that you probably said it 100x better than i could have.

you are 100% right on about it all. good for you!! love it.

:)

Im_in_PR said...

I just wonder if "agreements" and "court orders" are the same thing, especially since they have not even been before a judge yet.

Sarafin said...

Where is the extended family in all this? What is wrong with TLC that keeps this trainwreck of a family on TV.
What is wrong with Kate's father..the minister? Can't he make his daughter see she is soooo wrong, that she has sold her family for money?

stopthemadness said...

Someone ought to send our list of suggestions in to these talk shows where they are going to be coming on - the ones about how to survive with 8 kids and no show.

Jon is showing thru his lawyer that that money is half his and he has no other way to make money. TLC doesn't care what happens to the money after they pay iut out, that is Kate and Jon's issue. But if Kate has no money she may pressure TLC to quit jerking him around or agree to let him have more control or whatever it is that he wants, in order to get that money back.

This is all just such ti for tat. Then my boss and his wife got to this point where they could not pay the mortgage because they'd frozen each other's bank accounts, she then accused him of trying to kill her by letting air out of her tires when the roads were icy, if she had had a blow out she could have wrecked etc. It got REALLY ugly around that time.

Where's bottom, in this sink hole of a relationship? Every time I think we cannot go lower, there appears to be another floor to crash through on the way down!

stopthemadness said...

Next will be criminal charges. Kate will try to have Jon put in jail, or he will accuse her in family court of abuse or something.

TLC, is this enough controversy for ya?

rural mom said...

TMZ has the letter Kate's lawyer sent to Jon's lawyer about the bank account. Note that this letter is copied to Kate and none other than Julie May, Kate's PR rep. So if Kate wants this divorce kept private why are their private affairs going to the PR team to be spun out to the media? I also think this fight over "liquid" assets is about the fact Kate squirreled most of their money away in investment accounts Jon can't touch. She is hoping his spending on cars and clothes will turn the public against him.

Prove It said...

Miranda said...
2badsosad said...

On Larry King Live last night, Dr. Drew questioned Jon's motives to stop the filming of his children stating that he (Dr. Drew) would like to see Jon to further substantiate his claim of 'determent to the children' and give examples of how/why the continued filming is detrimentally affecting his children. I for one do not feel it is necessary for Jon to further expose his children by way of discussing their emotional and mental vulnerabilites just to appease the curiosity of Dr. Drew

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2bad: I'm not a fan of Dr. Drew, but I interpreted his comments differently --I thought he was saying that Larry King didn't give Jom a chance to "make his case" & that he thinks Jon should have an opportunity to do that.

I don't know if I'm right or not, that was just my impression. Anybody else have an opinion?
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If Jon went into at least a little detail, then it would appear more genuine. If he were able to say "the kids are regressing, some of them are showing signs of being depressed" or whatever without naming names and if he can say a doctor involved with the family is concerned, then it will seem less like a script his lawyer came up with.

Because right now, that's all it sounds like. It's all he was able to stutter out under pressure. "It's not healthy for my kids!!" Okay, why? You had an epiphany, what caused it? What triggered this, other than your lawyer telling you monetary figures? Did one of your kids say something? If he is general but not too cryptic, it would help his case more than hinder IMO. Because honestly, he sounds like he just repeating what he's been told. If you're going to choose poor timing and a slimey lawyer, at least cover your bases and make it look genuine.

Jake said...

Harriet said...
IIt's almost a cliche that one spouse cleans out joint accounts if they are left standing. In the long run, it means nothing. They will end up selling the houses (or one buying the other out) and it will all settle in the wash. It's irritating more than anything.


Yeah especially to the people who won't get the money from the checks that bounced. I am sure the kids school wants the tuition money, the babysitters want to get paid, and the utility company, and the phone company , ....

It is one then to steal from your EX-wife and another to not pay money you owe. They are Jon's kids too and he needs to paying their living expenses as well.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Well according to Mrs. G this morning on Today show - the kids were apparently devastated when informed they wouldn't be filming anymore......x8 they wailed and cried.

I'm sure she broke the news to them very gently - somehwhere along the lines of ...... your dad decided to tell the friendly camera crews to go away. So guess you won't be getting any more toys, trips or nothing. I don't know how i'm going to feed you now - with no money.........blah blah blah.

So sad for those kids

junebug said...

Is it being said that Jon cleaned out this account via ATM? I did not think that was possible considering the sum they are alleging. Are there not limits imposed on the ATM's in PA? I smell a rat...a big ugly skunk like rat.

JFaye said...

Whatever Jon's motives, frankly I think money is a big motivator for both Jon and Kate, I am glad to see at least one of these parents taking steps to shut down this circus. Someone needs to put the children's needs first and Kate is not ever going to do that because in her reality the world revolves around her.

JFaye said...

As a divorce attorney who has practiced for over 20 years, I am sure that the version of what happened with this money put forth by Kate is not the whole story. Since she is making money hand over fist exploiting her kids by being on tv, doing interviews and appearances, I'm sure she has the ability to pay her bills without relying on that bank account.

This may not be a whole lot different than the stay at home mom who has little to no cash flow coming in and her doctor hubby who earns $5,000 a month. She taps into savings because she needs it to live and he doesn't. It will get sorted by the court.

I can't believe the people who think Kate can do no wrong.

fidosmommy said...

If Jon went into at least a little detail, then it would appear more genuine. If he were able to say "the kids are regressing, some of them are showing signs of being depressed" or whatever without naming names and if he can say a doctor involved with the family is concerned, then it will seem less like a script his lawyer came up with.

Because right now, that's all it sounds like. It's all he was able to stutter out under pressure. "It's not healthy for my kids!!" Okay, why? You had an epiphany, what caused it? What triggered this, other than your lawyer telling you monetary figures? Did one of your kids say something? If he is general but not too cryptic, it would help his case more than hinder IMO. Because honestly, he sounds like he just repeating what he's been told. If you're going to choose poor timing and a slimey lawyer, at least cover your bases and make it look genuine.


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I agree it was a little too non-informative, but really, how much time do you think Larry King would give for longer answers? He seemed to me to be more interested in getting his questions asked than to hear the answers. Let's move this along, Jon. Enough about the kids' needs, let's go to commercial break. When we return, we'll talk about he sign on the gate you put up, or Hailey Glassman or heck, whatever else I have running through my mind."

KyPastor said...

Sarafin said...

What is wrong with Kate's father..the minister? Can't he make his daughter see she is soooo wrong, that she has sold her family for money?

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Speaking as a pastor, the short answer to this is NO, he cannot make her see anything. It's not his job as the father of a grown daughter or as a pastor. Our job is to listen and advise when called upon for advice, not to push people into doing what we think they should do. Kate is an adult and will make her own (bad) decisions.

livnluv said...

KyPastor said...
Sarafin said...

What is wrong with Kate's father..the minister? Can't he make his daughter see she is soooo wrong, that she has sold her family for money?

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Speaking as a pastor, the short answer to this is NO, he cannot make her see anything. It's not his job as the father of a grown daughter or as a pastor. Our job is to listen and advise when called upon for advice, not to push people into doing what we think they should do. Kate is an adult and will make her own (bad) decisions.
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I'm afraid what kate needs is a psychotherapist to help her undo whatever she has twisted up in her heart and mind. She needs an epiphany as well, and I don't think that's going to happen as long as she's fighting to keep her money. Sometimes you have to hit bottom in order to start all over rebuilding yourself

livnluv said...

stopthemadness said...
Next will be criminal charges. Kate will try to have Jon put in jail, or he will accuse her in family court of abuse or something.

TLC, is this enough controversy for ya?
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Do you think TLC has started a ball rolling that now can't be stopped? And now that Jon has put a halt on the show TLC is bound to pull out of the picture eventually. All that will be left is J & k fighting their bloody battle and eight children emotionally torn and disabled.

TLC and Eileen O'Neill, what you have started and what you continue to do should be criminalized. Let's hope the fight continues for successful legislation to prevent this from ever happening to a child again.

Train Is Running Off The Track said...

stopthemadness said...
Next will be criminal charges.
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Or a physical confrontation. God forbid a gun or overdose of pills. This kind of domestic bickering can lead to domestic violence. It's a different kind of trainwreck...it just keeps picking up speed every day and the media is fueling the engine. Of course the engine would lose steam if there were no media...if Jon and Kate WOULD JUST SHUT UP.

Let's hope it IS only controversy and not more tragedy. My cousin was a cop and he's already expressed a similar concern. This Gosselin situation is barely under control...and eight, vulnerable children continue to be pawns in a dangerous, explosive, marital bust-up.

Pippa said...

Quoting Lucy:
"Kate is sewing the seeds for future alienation by her children when they are old enough to truly understand how she replaced the love of money for their protection and innocence. Jon and Kate also need to stop fighting their divorce concerns in a public forum. "

Kate calls it "making memories". What now, Kate?

OzNTM said...

Blogger Midnight Serenade said...

Whatever happened to the "it's a beautiful life, it's a beautiful world" ditty? It's such a shame that the lyrics to this don't hold true in the current fiasco:


We still get that ad here in Australia. I don't know what episode we're up to though, they seem muddled up - I saw on the electronic guide the other day that one of the Hawaiian episodes would be on, and they've been playing those for over a month! I don' know whether there is one day for new episodes, with repeats every day after, or what?!

Interesting to note also, apart from the E! or THS Special (or whoever made it - the one that came out not long after the divorce anouncement), there is no other mention at all of their divorce - unless you watch the entertainment shows (and truthfully, with those shows, most of the time I have no idea who they're talking about, unless it's a big name celebrity - it would be the same for pretty much all Australians, they wouldn't have a clue or even care who J&K are, especially if they don't have Pay TV, which is what J&K+8 is on - shows like Entertainment Tonight are shown on free to air tv as well as Pay)

Also, I have only seen this mentioned in a magazine once, and I buy Australian entertainment magazines every week.

enoughalready said...

Ive been busy - life happens!- but just my 2 cts for now...

FIRST - I pray to God the judge hearing their case is not a famewhore.Please God no famewhore judges! No JUdge Ito - No Judge in the Anna Nicole case- please god - a fair and relevant judge who has enough wisdom and sense to see through the smoke and mirrors. Lets hope that justice is really served in the end with regard to J&K, the kids, money, etc. I think prayers are really in order for this case becasue I see it as a case of greed & exploitation (TLC, Khate, Media) vs. parental responsibilties and priorities.

Second - Did that K8 say mother of pearl or Mother of all pearls!!!If its the former, she's a cheap low class white trash slut who really knows nothing about jewellery and sophistication. MOP are inexpensive and available on ebay. The Mother of all pearls - OTOH, you know she's in the money when she wants that. So there - an exercise in paradox. She cries poor but she wants to buy a ring with not one but 8 diamonds.

Huh? said...

enoughalready said...

Ive been busy - life happens!- but just my 2 cts for now...

FIRST - I pray to God the judge hearing their case is not a famewhore.Please God no famewhore judges! No JUdge Ito - No Judge in the Anna Nicole case- please god - a fair and relevant judge who has enough wisdom and sense to see through the smoke and mirrors. Lets hope that justice is really served in the end with regard to J&K, the kids, money, etc. I think prayers are really in order for this case becasue I see it as a case of greed & exploitation (TLC, Khate, Media) vs. parental responsibilties and priorities.

Second - Did that K8 say mother of pearl or Mother of all pearls!!!If its the former, she's a cheap low class white trash slut who really knows nothing about jewellery and sophistication. MOP are inexpensive and available on ebay.

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Wow. So wanting something inexpensive available on eBay makes someone a cheap, low class white trash slut? Judgmental much?

Miss-ing Manners said...

A lot of people have commented on Kate's lack of manners. I think it's just a part of being a narcissist, and I feel I can comment with some authority because my husband's mother is exactly like Kate...except she is twice is old and has half as many children. But she is just as cold, unloving, demanding, unappreciative, and unable to say a kind word about anything or anyone.

My MIL thinks she is the martyr of martyrs, but she'll never realize that her husband and kids do just as much or more than she does, because she's too busy berating, manipulating, and nagging them into doing exactly what she wants. Most of her demands don't even make sense because she just wants to prove she has power over someone else. She has never once in a dozen years said thank-you to me for anything I've done for her, nor can she say please. She can't comment on any topic without bringing it back around to her. She adores her daughters because they are just like her, and she shows no affection to her sons, because boys "aren't special". She hoards money, thinking she'll never have enough, when in reality she has more than plenty...and she won't spend a dime on anything that doesn't solely benefit her, because everything is hers. She even thinks my possessions are hers by extension, because she is the queen of everything. I have no doubt her parents tried to teach her manners, but I guess she can get by in life without them because no one challenges her.

She and Kate must be so miserable inside that they can't help but ruin everything around them. I find Kate annoying, abrasive, rude, selfish, destructive, and abusive, but what I feel most for her is pity, because I see how this train wreck ends. She'll have no friends, no fulfilling partner, no joy in anything, no healthy relationships with her kids or grandkids, and no respect from anyone. The only thing she'll have is the most money. Woo-hoo. Perhaps the worst part is that narcissists can never admit that there is anything wrong with them, so she will never change on her own. Jon may have proven to be a d-bag, but at least he's not taking her abuse anymore. Even if his motives are selfish, at least he's trying to stand up to her in trying to stop the kids from filming.

AZ Mom said...

To Train Is Running Off The Track

This weekend looking at GWOP the same thought came into my mind. I was thinking violence towards Jon. Maybe a good thing to have Steve there so much of the time.

On the subject of Steve, I really believe he is not there to protect her but Kate is insecure to go places alone just like I hate to go to a resturant for dinner alone.
Also think TLC wants him there so Kate won't go off on people and be rude. She can just pretend Steve won't let her mingle her fan (no I didn't put a "s" on fan) LOL Remember Kate and the girls at the Cheesecake Factory.

Dana said...

Sorry, missed the name, but someone said

"What about Charlie Sheen? He didn't want his children filmed on his ex-wife's reality show and even went to court to fight to keep them off camera - but a judge ruled in Denise Richard's favor."

Not sure I remember this quote correctly, but 3 points.

1, I think the kids were only appearing infrequently on the show - they weren't its focus. BIG difference!

2, I think a NYC judge made the ruling, although the mother and kids live in LA, which matters because

3, there are protections built into California law for kids in the entertainment industry, of which the judge would be well-aware.

Which also may explain why Jon is looking at LA houses. If he moves there, he accomplishes two things

1, he gets the kids far away from Kate for whatever periods of time he has them and

2, they're under California jurisdiction if they're filmed there

If he lets the NYC apt go (he probably rented it instead of buying it), replacing it with something else isn't much of a stretch. Or at least no more than all the other stupid financial/real estate choices they've made so far.

On the other hand, it looks as if the only thing they're going to be able to afford once the smoke clears is the Etown house - if that.

It would be no problem at all to raise 8 kids in a house that size - if you weren't a selfish, hyper-entitled, narcissistic parent who can't stand to be around your kids if cameras aren't rolling.

For the record, I think Jon has some liking for the kids, and some (small) beginning sense of what these kids need, but both of these parents are loathsome and irresponsible.

The smartest thing they could do now is fire the lawyers (BEFORE the lawyers own every last asset), get jobs, accept that the gravy train is over, and choose a obscure, middle class life for those poor kids.

If it could be arranged so that Kate only dropped in once a year, so much the better. The less toxic interaction the kids have with her, the better.

One positive side to Jon's passivity is that it's hard to imagine him manipulating the kids to tears by telling them how Mommy is taking everything away from them. Kate, not so much. That's one nasty, nasty woman.

not seeing the Steve thing said...

I have a really hard time accepting that Kate would perceive Steve to be even close to a romantic interest. I personally believe that she would set her sights much higher - I mean after all,doesn't she see herself as a big celebrity now? Steve is also lot older than Kate, and he's certainly not in the league of the celebrities she's been hobnobbing with (ladies of the View etc.)I mean come on,think about it - a lowly bodyguard? Kate is going to be setting her sights a lot higher than that.

I actually hope he sticks around for a while. He seems like he'd be a positive influence on the kids - kind of a good father/grandfather figure. Heaven knows they could use good adult role models in their lives.

Im_in_PR said...

TLC STOPS PAYING GOSSELINS!!

Im_in_PR said...

Jon has to help pay for Kate\'s bodyguard!

polly said...

Just saw Jon On ET - he is finally becoming somewhat articulate. He revealed that TLC pays for everything - landscaping, nannies, people to iron, chef, wardrobe and ofcourse all the trips, outings, activities, etc.

In other words, they have plenty of money since they have little expenses. It sounds like they have to obey TLC's every demand of them or you get punished. Jon didn't cooperate and got his motorcycle taken away among other things. Kate is holding on for dear life. If she loses TLC she will really have to do it all on her own!

Pilgrim Soul said...

All those services provided by TLC - aren't they considered "income" by law, and the Gosselins are required to report these services to the IRS, no? Also, if TLC has stopped paying the Gosselins, does that mean all these services that TLC provided have stopped as well - including the nanny? And one last question - who pays for the twins and sextuplets private school tuitions? If it's the Gosselins themselves (which I doubt, because it would be around 250-280k per year for all of them), wouldn't they be better off sending them public and putting that money away for the kids futures? Are the trusts set up by the state of PA to cover (public PA) college expenses going to cover all 8 kids college tuitions, as I have read? I read somewhere else recently that these trusts were asking for public donations to cover the tuition costs for the kids... Anyone know the answers to these questions?

marypoppins said...

polly said...
Just saw Jon On ET - he is finally becoming somewhat articulate. He revealed that TLC pays for everything - landscaping, nannies, people to iron, chef, wardrobe and ofcourse all the trips, outings, activities, etc.
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Wow in this economy these two really had it made.
Too bad greed, selfishness and hate will make it all go away.

Kate didnt want Jodi and Kevin to have the few buck from tlc for baby sitting (that were doing al along anyhow).

Now she gets to give thousands to lawyers and its talk shows and web sites making money off her kids...