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emma said...

What in God's name is going on with this couple? Now TLC is suing Jon? What little respect I had for TLC is now completely out the window. After this little incident with the lawsuit, it is abunduntly clear what TLC's intentions are.

Something I don't understand is why hasn't anyone asked Kate the "real" questions? Everytime she's on one of these talk shows, no one gets to the nitty-gritty of it. She claims that without the show, her kids won't have opportunities and that she won't be able to support them. Why hasn't someone asked her how she planned on supporting them and giving them opportunities had they not been on a reality show in the first place? She also claimed on The View that when the kids learned of the cancellation, they wailed and sobbed because now they wouldn't be able to go to the Statue of Liberty. Why can't she still take the brood? Is it mandatory that cameras are there? Is it because if she takes them on her own, she has to foot the bill? Lord knows she can definitely afford it after the millions she's made. I don't understand why no one has asked her these questions.

Also, someone needs to ask her to define what "giving my kids opportunities by culturing them" means. I've heard her say this on numerous talk shows. It blows my mind that she thinks that taking her kids on fancy expensive vacations is the only way they will learn and "be cultured." You can read to your kids, take them to a museum, play with them at the park, cook with them, etc etc. That's educating them, "culturing" them, giving them opportunities. Going on mega-expensive vacations where socializing with other kids is not allowed and being continuously filmed and talked about later is not exposing your kids to opportunities. I'm assuming her lack of knowledge in this area (and in several others) are the result of the way she grew up. However, there are enough people around her who should set her straight.

I saw the new commercials on TLC where they quote "with only a limited number of episodes left, Jon and Kate spend some quality time with the people who matter most." Um, again, what is quality time? Growing up, spending quality time with my parents meant baking cookies with my mom or helping my dad fix things around the house or watching a Disney movie with my family on a Saturday night. It didn't mean going to honeymoon-style locales to be filmed.

I really hope that this is the end of this mess. Those poor children have suffered enough.

Robin said...

It's very clear, the happiest and most "culturated/culterish" (hehe)people here are going to be the rich lawyers!

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more, so unlike Jon &Kate we stopped) said...

Jon and Kate have just become the symbol of everything wrong in our culture today: complaining, ungrateful, road-rage mentality, materialistic, uncaring, ungodly, self-serving consumers, cut-throat, hypocrites, liars, money-grubbing, rude, callous, cruel. Yet this is the family TLC holds in high esteem while the background music plays "It's a Beautiful Life."

Aunty Anne said...

Emma said ...

... again, what is quality time? Growing up, spending quality time with my parents meant baking cookies with my mom or helping my dad fix things around the house or watching a Disney movie with my family on a Saturday night. It didn't mean going to honeymoon-style locales to be filmed.
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My "quality time" that I most treasure is remembering how it felt to sit in my Mother's lap and simply hear her breathe. It was peaceful, it was safety, security, love, kindness...

One of my sons most pleasant memories is that when he was home from school on a "sick day," we would lay together on the sofa watching movies.

stopthemadness said...

kate's always come out in favor of others raising her kids, that she couldn't handle it. Wanting the nurse longer - she couldn't do things like read to them. Thinking society should support them. Maybe she's onto something insofar as culturizing them outside their home.

What does she have to really offer these kids? really. A horrible example of how to be a person, nasty, ungrateful, diva, abusive, greedy, cold - maybe she was right all along and having the film crew live with her family and TLC raise them is the superior method to having them just hang with her.

nanb said...

How come photos like this never make it into the tabloids?

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=0

Wish there was some identification of where Kate was going?

Since she is using a key card it leads me to believe it could be the Homewood Suites by Hilton in Reading. It would be a good choice, it's only a 1-1/2 from Target. LOL

Ohio Buckeye said...

Between the entire Gosselin melodrama and this week's 'missing' 6 year old/parents' balloon, I WISH people would get it that the whole concept of 'reality' is anything but. It is planned, scripted, bogus.

And using kids in these ridiculous plots to increase the drama factor is just deplorable.

This is a country that blathers on and on about 'family values' and religion, 'doing it all for my chiiiildren' yet it turns a blind eye towards these shows that make kids participate in living the lie that is 'reality' tv.

Further, people watching the schlock that is 'reality' tv encourages networks to continue lowering the bar of the shows they present.

Seriously, haven't we all seen ENOUGH dumbing down on so many levels? Newspapers & magazines written on a 6th grade level. "Reality" tv, each one's premise worse than the last. Tacky tell-all books 'written' (loosest possible use of the word) by has-been 'stars' and detailing their illicit love affairs, substance abuse, battles with weight, sexual addiction, and every other conceivable human frailty and failure,all under the guise of 'helping/inspiring others' but suspiciously more like attempting to recapture those bygone 15 minutes o'fame and glory - just 5 more minutes on stage and in the spotlight, please.

If you want to inspire us, DO something positive with your life. Do NOT talk about it. Just DO it. Stop sharing way, way TMI about your personal life and peccadillos. Stop using your children to gain/keep 'fame' and fortune. And please stop telling us how very moral you are and how very much you love your children.

I look forward to the day when people speak with amazement that a concept such as 'reality' tv was ever actually the norm.

Fast forward us there, please.

Big Wooden Spoon said...

I just wrote to both Rabbi Schmuley and A Minor Consideration, asking those two good men to reach out to Jon and offer moral support. Jon is getting stronger, but is still clearly fragile -- he's going to need all the support he can get!
I feel so helpless and frustrated, but those children need their daddy to stay strong for them.

Any other ideas out there about how we can help him fight "the Machine"?

Katie711 said...

I just read on another site that they are saying that "IF" Jon did get into Kates messages he will go to jail. I am SO SICK of people listening to this dumb babysitter and thinking what she says is bible. She needs to be stopped. She is telling ROL what they want to hear as its all for the money. She needs to be stopped asap.

Sasha222 said...

It's funny because even Joel Mchale from The Soup (who usually enjoys making fun of Kate) was totally over it all last night and mentioned them for like 2 seconds and said something to the effect of "two hillbillies are still on TV" and then moved on....lol. It's gotten so bad it's not even fun to make fun of anymore.

Cherry said...

Emma--

She is the Queen of excuses and basically a narcissist who only believes herself and her own lies. She will say and do anything to defend making money off exploiting her kids. And yes it's bullsh!t that she thinks she needs expensive crap to culture her children. She is obviously too ignorant to know what being cultured actually means. Me and my husband were dirt dirt poor for the first 2 years of our daughter's life and are just now getting back on our feet again. I was still able to take my daughter to the library every day, go on hikes, play at the park, encourage her to use her imagination, gave her a paintbrush and crayons every chance I could, and that is all. She is way more dignified, well-mannered, and intelligent then those kids and she is almost 3. The Gosselin kids are bright lovely children, and could be incredible kids if their parents weren't so horrid and actually spent time with them and sat down and taught them things other then how to smile for the camera and obey commands to make a good show.

Wondering said...

I was wondering if there was anyone insane enough to have started taking up "collections" for her because she's so "poor."

Jodie said...

I agree, Emma! The one thing I WISH someone would ask her is why she only had $240,000 (or whatever it was) in her account in the first place. They have made MILLIONS off the show, books, speaking engagements, etc. and have barely needed to spend money on basic necessities for their children (free clothes, toys, trips, school tuition, etc.). Even with $100,000 set aside for each child, she should have had WAY more than $240,000 left over. I hope these greedy parents finally make this country apply the same rules to reality show stars as they do to child actors.

junebug said...

If I were the Duggar parents I would be scared s**tless.

MomofFour said...

TV is not real. All that we are watching, hearing, seeing...is what is filtered to us. This is an industry that makes money. That is the bottom line. They do not care what the back story is. They want to sensationalize the situation and get you to watch or read. The news industry is no different. Politicians are no different. If they can wrap a warm and fuzzy story around an ugly reality but you buy it...that's the bottom line. These shows or organizations don't love Kate. They are simply playing the game. People behind the scenes that we do not see cut deals and make money off all of the public out there that falls for whatever it is causing publicity to get you to watch. The more unbelievable the better.

If you'll step back and think about it...it all makes sense. I don't know how many people have told me "I can't believe that" about news events, political events, celebrity events, etc. It's all the same. It's the industry and it's the game in town. So the next story you see headline that makes you say "WHAT?" just remember...there's an entire industry of people out there getting paid to make you say that.

jenny said...

Are people still looking for a list of advertisers from J&K+8? If so, abusewatch.net has provided one. Here is the link: http://www.abusewatch.net/CAN_TLC_JKFile.php

There are A LOT.

GRY said...

TLC has broken the first commandment of television.
Don't alienate your viewership!
They've done precisely that because they don't think the viewership is very bright and can be easily manipulated.
Granted TLC is not directly supported like PBS on viewer dollars but they rely on sponsors who do feel the impact of viewer displeasure.
That TLC is publicly going after Jon tells me that they think the viewers like and approve of exploitation(ie reality) TV and are willing to put aside any ethical considerations in exchange for profits.
I think boycotting the sponsors is not enough because they can always get new ones who are just as greedy as TLC.
One solution is to simply tune out all the Discovery Communications channels. Not watching anything from them(and telling your cable carrier) across the board will sound a very loud bell to them that continually exploiting those 8 kids will hit them in the wallet sooner rather then later.
In Canada we only get a limited number of the channels on cable TV and I've already blocked TLC and Discovery. I will not support such a corporation under any circumstances.
Let's see how long TLC's profits keep going if several million other viewers vote with their feet as well.

Anne said...

Does anyone think within 2-3 years we'll see Jon or Kate doing anything in the field of entertainment, other than the occasional appearance in a "where are they now" segment or a court appearance? I just can't see any long term success in either of their futures.

No Drama Mama said...

After reading the lawsuit, I can't help but feel that TLC essentially "owned" all things Jon and Kate, including their abilities to think for themselves.

I keep thinking.... TLC is a cult and Jon and Kate became followers, sacrificing their 8. Jon finally got a clue and wanted out of the cult so they are lashing back in any way possible to destroy him. He needs to produce some documents/emails/etc from last October when Kate said it was over... That will be his ONLY saving grace if he could do that!

I still find Jon more credible than I find Kate. Whenever she is allowed to speak, she does so with glazed eyes and carefully picks and chooses her words. Jon says what is on his mind. I respect THAT alot more, even if it is garbage!

Ladylou said...

Kate and Jon are more in the news than anyone else in this whole country! What a shame.

Now it seems Jon has been accused of hacking into everything of Kate's. Online banking, e-mails and such. All this said by former ex babysitter Stephanie Santoro. Kate is looking into legal options!

When did Kate and Ms. Santoro become allies in the "bring Jon down" club?

I believe this is all TLC's doing.
They are so mad at Jon for what he's been able to do for the good of the children by stopping filming.
They are now trying to get him so low he'll have no choice but to agree to that future show "Kate plus 8".

I am fed up with the whole Gosselin CHARADE PARADE.
They are so in your face it's getting unbelievable.
I have been boycotting TLC and will remain doing so.

It is the lowest of any channel on my system. I wish my dish would allow me to take it off completely and send them a message of how scummy TLC really is.

Peggy mason said...

Exactly stopthemadness. We can all hope that Jon or someone else ends up raising the kids, otherwise they will end up as 8 k-9 clone DIVAS thinking they rule the world for having the last name Gosselin. Tabloids will love the out of control Gosselin teens!! And k-9 will love getting even more attention from their madness, partying with them like Dina Lowhan.

All we can hope for is a swift and hard blow to end this show in order to save everyone involved. Jon needs to take his kids- k-9 will only want them for money, but maybe when he makes it clear he will not allow ANY exploitation of the kids and therefore no $$$$ for k-9's hair appointments, she'll losen her claw on them.

Pamela Jaye said...

Quality Time - a catchphrase for those who don't have the time to just "live" in front of their kids?

No offense to moms who have to work. My mother was home every day. She was my best friend, and I admired her as much as anyone who knew her (which was everyone who knew her and beat up on me because she didn't want a funeral and I wasn't up to doing anything when she died).

Was It Illegal? said...

Jon and Kate are still married. Was it illegal for Jon to read Kate's emails and banking while they are still married? I know my husband and I read one another's emails and share bank accounts.

Lucy said...

I really do not understand:

Why the state has not finished their investigations and given their recommendations as to the continuing welfare of the Gosselin children?

Why the judge has not referred their children to a child protection agency?

Why all this media attention has been to denegrate Jon and not focus on the real victims, the children?

Why TLC has not been in litigation for their obvious child labour practices?

I guess I'll never understand ...

ManicNarcissism said...

nanb said...

How come photos like this never make it into the tabloids?

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=0

Wish there was some identification of where Kate was going?

Since she is using a key card it leads me to believe it could be the Homewood Suites by Hilton in Reading. It would be a good choice, it's only a 1-1/2 from Target. LOL

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It is the Homewood Suites. If you click on this photo it gets bigger and the keycard is in her hand. I thought I recognized the logo - you can see the same logo here:

http://homewoodsuites1.hilton.com/en_US/hw/index.do

Huh, I'm surprised she would stay at a place like that. I used to on business trips and certainly nice enough for that but not a luxury hotel by any means. She almost looks like the old Kate here.

stopthemadness said...

How awful to have to stay in a hotel for 2 weeks at a time. I am so glad to be home when I travel, I miss my dogs, my kids, my husband, my BED, eating decent food...

Renee said...

The filming of the children has always bothered me but Jon and Kate will always be their parents and that bothers me more. We have seen evidence that both parents are very rough with the children. Does anyone else recall when Kate pinched Mady at Dutch Wonderland and production cut/edited the scene really janky, possibly to cover up abuse worse than what we saw? I fear for what may happen to the children when the cameras stop rolling. Most of the time I think it's better that their parents aren't around. The only good thing about this divorce is that Kate will blame Jon for the end of the show instead of the children and focus her wrath on him and not them. I also don't understand why some viewers are saying/thinking it would be okay for them to have a yearly special to update "us" about the children. We are not owed anymore details of their lives unless they consent and until they turn 18 years old they shouldn't be filmed for public consumption, period.

anotherthing... said...

omg. im away from my computer for ONE DAY (friday).... and i miss this much!!??? lol

4 new posts!!!! TLC lawsuit. i already know thats going to just make me ILL from reading the little blurb(the favoritism of khate and villifing of jon).

guess the only logical thing to do is go grab a vomit bucket, curl up on our cold laundry room floor in the dark all by myself and try to catch up on this reading...

Pa Mom Knows said...

"found this just today Kate + 8 Not Canceled"

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I think that might be news released prior to the filing of TLC's lawsuit, which states that "presently TLC's plans to re-launch the program of "Kate + Eight" have been suspended indefinitely."

anotherthing... said...

Anne said...
Does anyone think within 2-3 years we'll see Jon or Kate doing anything in the field of entertainment, other than the occasional appearance in a "where are they now" segment or a court appearance? I just can't see any long term success in either of their futures.
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jon & kate in 2-3 yrs??? in the biz???

um. no.

clearly their 'success' was directly related to kate not being a b**** and also to the kids being small. also, to the family being relatable.

none of those things are so anymore.

nor will they ever be again. that ship has sailed.

i think they have pissed off their viewers and even those who never watched.

everyone is SICK to death of their names, faces and story.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"It is the Homewood Suites. If you click on this photo it gets bigger and the keycard is in her hand. I thought I recognized the logo - you can see the same logo here:"

If she only has one thousand dollars and can't pay the bills in her purse, is Homewood Suites picking up the hotel tab out of the goodness of their hearts?

Jenny said...

So she's staying at a motel instead of getting an apt somewhere. I wonder if that's some kind of ploy to use down the road when the mansion goes up for grabs...that it would give her some kind of legal leg-up to say she doesn't have a home. That's probably a reach...but after seeing all the other tricks and legal manuverings going on in this saga, I guess I pretty much suspect any move she makes is for some sneaky reason.

And yeah, she comes over to "work out" and Jon allows that saying he's "taking the high road." Something is going on here. Someone mentioned it just happened to take place on the day Kate's bank accountabilities were to be submitted to the court. I wouldn't put it past her to think she can still sweet talk Jon into something...some kind of help regarding the dollar amounts. Guess I'm just full of conspiracy theories today but given the track record of TLC & Kate, I just can't help myself!

Motel kate said...

nanb said...

How come photos like this never make it into the tabloids?

http://gosselins.sosugary.com/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=32&pos=0

Wish there was some identification of where Kate was going?

Since she is using a key card it leads me to believe it could be the Homewood Suites by Hilton in Reading. It would be a good choice, it's only a 1-1/2 from Target. LOL

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What I would like to know is how in the hell can she afford to stay there when Jon only left her with 1 grand????? Seems to me if that were true,,,(and we all know it is crapola) you would think she would be trying to SAVE money. I am telling you this whole thing is a huge joke. Shame on them all. I don't want to hear her complain that her kids had to eat eggplant parm for 3 days in a row cuz she couldn't afford to feed them anything else. Boy to see her out and about and me with a paint gun...*evil grin*

Memories said...

If you listen to your kids, you may be surprised to hear what times of their lives have been most memorable to them. Our kids have been to Europe and to a couple of islands. Those are not what they recall with big smiles. They talk about me putting on goalie equipment and going into the basement so the kids could practice their slapshots. They remember us weathering a hurricane in Florida and how we stayed up all night with candles and ate up all the ice cream, sleeping all the next day like a pile of dogs on the couches and on the floor. I've heard them tell stories of the days they've been hurt or sick and how pampered they were, with stacks of comics and TV and mommy or daddy sleeping in the bed with them or on a rocking chair next to their bed.....

I've heard about going to the animal shelter to pick up a dog and how we all babied the new puppy and laughed and cried as she learned our ways and we learned her ways in our house. Everyone has a favorite story, like the time she took gum from my son's nightstand and chewed every piece, removing the wrappers.

These are what we all remember from our childhoods, too, aren't they? Kon does not have a clue and never will have a clue. I agree with the poster who wrote that Kon typifies everything that is wrong and backward with our society. EVERYTHING will come back to bite their kids in the neck for years and years. Sad, sad Kon.

Pattypanda said...

I think it's a shame, the kids can't go to their local school. They are up, dressed and hopefully fed by the nanny and at the bus stop before the sun is even up. No wonder they are misbehaved and cranky. Lots of quality time in that house - NOT. They get picked up from the bus at 4, must be starved when they get home. They get a few grapes and wait for the supper to be delivered. They must be bathed by a team of nanny's and bed by 7 - 7:30 to be up before dawn. Poor Mady and Cara, they have to squeeze in homework too. Hopefully they've learned to do some of it on the bus ride home. Are these the same tups that needed naps well into their 4th year? Why would you spend millions on a home and the local school isn't acceptable for your children. Makes no sense to me.

Jenny said...

My guess is that TLC is footing the bill for the hotel she's staying in. It would appear that these days they'll do anything to keep her happy while they continue to pound the daylights out of Jon trying to get him to submit to letting the kids be filmed again. TLC isn't about to turn loose of their pot of gold family that produces $186 million for them every 3 months without a fight.

not a flattering pic of ole katie said...

http://homewoodsuites1.hilton.com/en_US/hw/index.do

Huh, I'm surprised she would stay at a place like that. I used to on business trips and certainly nice enough for that but not a luxury hotel by any means. She almost looks like the old Kate here.
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Jon STOLE all her money remember?

Jenny said...

So wait a minute...it just dawned on me that it's been months since she filed for divorce and yet she hasn't bothered to get herself into some kind of apt or house situation...why would she not do that? Since they both have joint custody, and the house belongs to both of them, she KNOWS she's not going to live there eventually and call it HER home...right?

You know what, I'm getting really weary of guessing all the junky moves and maneuverings that are going on here ever since Jon put his foot down! Honesty, civility and genuineness have all taken a hike and frankly I trust TLC and Kate as far as I can throw them at this point. What a mess! I'm beginning to think that what my son told me could be true. He said, "Mom, you're all getting punked!" I personally think TLC has jerked this family around long enough...not to mention all of us who have been out here supporting the show by buying the products advertised! I'm like others here and pulling the plug on TLC in my home!

ToTheMoonAlice said...

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more, so unlike Jon &Kate we stopped) said...
Jon and Kate have just become the symbol of everything wrong in our culture today: complaining, ungrateful, road-rage mentality, materialistic, uncaring, ungodly, self-serving consumers, cut-throat, hypocrites, liars, money-grubbing, rude, callous, cruel. Yet this is the family TLC holds in high esteem while the background music plays "It's a Beautiful Life."

Wow! That about says it all, Mother of Two. Great summary of everything wrong with this situation.

Pam said...

They are up, dressed and hopefully fed by the nanny and at the bus stop before the sun is even up.

lol, kids around here that go to their local schools are also up and out before the sun is up. A neighborhood school doesn't guarantee a late start. Altho I don't know about the nannies!

Lucy said...

Jenny said...
So wait a minute...it just dawned on me that it's been months since she filed for divorce and yet she hasn't bothered to get herself into some kind of apt or house situation...why would she not do that?
But that would mean Khate would have to CLEAN, COOK and DO DISHES. Khate doesn't do housework unless cameras are rolling.

Jenny said...

Memories, you are exactly right! Those are the things that kids remember most when they grow up. Events of loving togetherness and caring. Thank you for sharing that. I also remember reading somewhere that kids don't remember WHAT you say, but rather HOW YOU SAY IT...something like that.

To this day, I recall when I was little...I got sick and was home from school, in bed and all of a sudden I threw up. The carpeting was a mess but my mom came in and all she did was clean me and the mess up and try to comfort me by saying...and this is the part I'll never forget...she said, "Don't worry about the mess, honey, you're much more important than any old carpet." Uh oh...brought back a memory that's making me a little misty even now. Suffice it to say, I don't recall ever hearing Kate saying anything quite so endearingly gentle to her kids...just mostly, "Do this and do that." Anyway, thanks, Memories, for reminding me of that event from my childhood.

Ohio Buckeye said...

If K8 had any concept of 'culture' and how to introduce her children to it to enrich their lives, she would not use the term, "we want to culture them".

Too bad K8 takes herself seriously. She is a JOKE to the rest of us.

Jenny said...

Lucy...you're so right! How could I have not thought of that! LOL!

Jenny said...

I'm just thinking on this and remembering that Kate apparently came from a poor background. If that's actually true (and who really knows for sure), and since she & Jon were literally using food stamps when TLC offered them the show...I can understand signing on for the show. I think we all loved the show in the beginning, it was a REAL family in seemingly a REAL situation facing the challenges of raising 8 little children.

So coming from a poor background, Kate maybe saw the show as a way to give her kids things she never had. I don't begrudge her that desire. BUT...we all saw the time that came when the money starting becoming more important than anything else...more important than treating her husband with respect, more important than wanting to spend time with her family. And from that point on, things started deteriorating. To my mind, that timeline started at the end of last season when it was clear to all that Jon wanted to stop doing the show and Kate did not. They couldn't reconcile that disagreement and ever since then, it's all come unraveled. Anyway, that's just my take on it. It's all just so incredibly sad and I hold TLC accountable for being the enabler in all of this!

She's busy, but not with her kids said...

Why would you spend millions on a home and the local school isn't acceptable for your children. Makes no sense to me.

So you could give them a two hour bus ride every day (an hour there and a hour back) and keep them out of the house for almost ten hours a day. That way your little ones are not underfoot and demanding that you stop neglecting them and nurture them.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

I just found something interesting - of late you always see Ms.G with 2 purses - her brown purse and the other black "briefcase" Not only on her runs to the PO - but everywhere now. On ROL shows her in the rain with purses on both arms (I guess supposedly coming home)

Must be some mighty important papers she needs to protect/carry with her AT ALL TIMES? Protecting some info there?

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Anybody heard or seen if she met her Friday court deadline of submtting all her substantiating documents?

readerlady said...

I was making a pot of soup yesterday and it made me think of the 8. I learned to make it from my Mom, who learned from her Mom, who may very well have learned from her Mom. When I was little I loved to help in the kitchen. I didn't know then that I was being taught things like weights and measures and learning some math (although I'm still incredibly dense when it comes to math LOL). The Gosselin girls, and the boys too if interested, will never have that pleasure and teaching, because Khate freaks out when anyone is in her kitchen. We didn't have a lot of money when I was growing up - Dad was a teacher and Mom was a SAHM, but they managed to "culture" me just fine. I had a library card before I could walk. I still remember Mom or Dad, or sometimes both, snuggling in bed with me at bedtime and reading. My Dad was a musician, so he exposed me to classical music and jazz and sacred music. We went to museums and the park and the farm (my uncle was a farmer). The 8 will never have the fun of wandering into a barn and discovering a nest of kittens, or watch a mother duck teach her babies to swim, or see a newborn foal struggle to its legs for the first time. They are going to have memories of their mother having a meltdown over some ice cream drips, not being allowed to roll down a hill because they have grass stains, their mother throwing a hissy fit because a plane was diverted, Mom and Dad hating each other and trying to destroy each other. Lovely "memories" Kon is making for their children.

dustilies said...

I'm bringing forward the following post from the brilliant STOPTHEMADNESS from the end of last week's free discussion for anyone who might have missed it.

I got two huge guffaws out of this one. Stop the madness, yes, but please don't stop the posts, sweetie!

Here's part of that post:

I have no problem with some specials - holiday ones - even 3-4 per year. Summer vacation, Gosselins Thanksgiving, A Very Gosselin Christmas, the musical we've all been waiting for -Springtime with Hitler in Pennsylvania. Gosselins, Beneath the Planet of kate. I'd like their time on film to be limited to what makes sense to still allow them to have a regular life, including school and activities and I'd like them to be paid.

I can choose to watch Kate or not but the kids should be protected. Of course if she can whining to me about being poor I would tell her that jesus loves her and will take care of her. Since he's already there, guarding their house and stuff.

KyPastor said...

The 8 ... are going to have memories of their mother having a meltdown over some ice cream drips, not being allowed to roll down a hill because they have grass stains, their mother throwing a hissy fit because a plane was diverted, Mom and Dad hating each other and trying to destroy each other. Lovely "memories" Kon is making for their children.


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If memories that matter are not being made for them, they will have no way to learn to make them for their own children. That will be two generations adrift in this sea of misconceptions of what is really important.

Hopefully, these 8 will be determined to give any children they have a life of dirty knees,
drippy clothes and Pla-Doh under their fingernails. Sadly, the acorn rarely falls far from the tree. It can happen that the 8 will break the mold but not likely.
After all, they will have to go see Gramma Gosselin sometime, and will be expected to know the rules about not being picture perfect.

My favorite memories of my parents were just times we spent together.
Wintery Sunday nights in front of a roaring fire in the family room, roasting marshmallows, then playing a game of Chinese Checkers with my Dad; bursting into songs that both Mom and I knew while we
baked cookies or fixed dinner together; playing badminton and croquet in our back yard with either one of them; washing the car together, playing with the kittens we found and learning how to take care of them from two very gentle animal loving parents.

Oh, how I miss them! These activites become memories all too soon, and time means everything.
Embrace every opportunity to get to know your child! Simple is good! It does not have to involve going anywhere, just doing the normal things TOGETHER creates a warm heart, a happy home and all the memories your heart can hold.

fidosmommy said...

Jenny said...
I'm just thinking on this and remembering that Kate apparently came from a poor background. If that's actually true (and who really knows for sure), and since she & Jon were literally using food stamps when TLC offered them the show...I can understand signing on for the show. I think we all loved the show in the beginning, it was a REAL family in seemingly a REAL situation facing the challenges of raising 8 little children.


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I don't believe Kate comes from a poor background. Her parents did fine. It may be that her parents didn't give Kate and her siblings everything they wanted, but I don't think they were truly deprived of adequate possessions.

I believe there is something else going on here rather than making up for lack of possessions in her childhood.

What we don't know is what her relationship was with her parents or even with her schoolmates. She may be making up for strained
relations there by surrounding herself with the finer things of life. Kind of like shooting the bird at anybody who told her she'd never amount to anything. Oh yeah?
Just look at me now. A big house with pool, 38 cars, clothes from
a famous designer, a stylized haircut, fancy nails, high fashion shoes (!) and my name all over the place on the TV, Internet,
on magazines. Who knows, maybe next it will be on a postage stamp.
The first living person to be so honored. And you thought I was just a girl from central PA. who didn't have a shot in hell. HA!

rural mom said...

Having a late in life baby who is the most precious gift my husband and I could ever imagine, I can't relate to Kate and her disinterest in her children. She has never once complained that multiples meant not being able to nurse them or hold them all in her arms or having enough time to rock and sing to each. All we saw was her retched bitching and whining about how exhausted they made her, how expensive they were, how much they messed up the house, frigged up the routine, cried, vomited, pooped - took her off her ass to tend to them. There was one episode where she talked about having the kids roll their cars on her legs, she liking the massage effect, their obvious needs for cuddles and touch and loving was not her concern. All about Kate, how is Kate doing, can we hire someone that Kate can get along with (ie put up with Kate's bullying and abuse), can we organize the house and keep the kids amused to give Kate a break... this woman has no right to these children and why God loaned them to her is a mystery to me.

Ohio buckeye said...

ReaderLady, another great post! And I so agree with you that great, happy childhood memories have little if anything to do with the $ spent.

The best memories are related to feelings of peace, calm, well being. Of being around people who love and respect and care for each other. THESE are the times, the feelings, that make life so good.

Pa Mom Knows said...

"Lovely "memories" Kon is making for their children."
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But they are being cultured, or culturized, or whatever. They'll have those memories!
The best memories of childhood are homemade. The ones that are free. The ones that, at the time, seem insignificant and unimportant, but years later one realizes that these were the best moments of one's life. Wilder expressed it best in "Our Town." Carpe diem. Seize the day. Remember the moment. The children are being robbed of this because the stress placed on materialism, and all of the "opportunities" that money can buy supercede those precious moments in life that are free. The parents just don't get it, and sadly, never will.

livnluv said...

Huh, I'm surprised she would stay at a place like that. I used to on business trips and certainly nice enough for that but not a luxury hotel by any means. She almost looks like the old Kate here.

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That's probably why she didn't want anyone to know where she was going. The place isn't fancy enough for a famous TV personality. It doesn't fit in with her skewed version of reality.

livnluv said...

"Suffice it to say, I don't recall ever hearing Kate saying anything quite so endearingly gentle to her kids...just mostly, "Do this and do that."

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When your child suffers you suffer along with them. Kate doesn't seem to do that.

Aunt Chris said...

livnluv said

"When your child suffers you suffer along with them. Kate doesn't seem to do that."

True, Kate's version is "When Kate suffers, the children suffer along because of that."

Emma's Mom said...

I am so tired of seeing that shrill-pimp mom all over the news & treated like some sort of mom-saint - please!! Imagine my horror when I got to the end of a long week, found a new Good Housekeeping in my mail only to see that they used ill yet again - an interview with this single mom - and how her "faith & her kids are what matter"...OH MY LORD!!! How has she not burst into flames, been struck down by a lightning bolt? Her kids - yes, yes - I get that they matter- they keep mommy-dearest into the cushy lifestyle to which she has become comfy- so of course they matter! But FAITH!? Faith in what mindless idiots most people are still still buy the BS she's selling? Faith that she'll get a soft pitch served up for every single interview?

I immediately found the letters to the editor email address and promptly fired off a terse email - letting them know that with putting her on their pages- they've basically just put the GH Seal of Approval on a Sweat Shop - go child labor!! And then demand a refund in the balance of my subscription.

When will she just go away FOREVER!?!?!

Ohio Buckeye said...

MomofFour: Well said! It's all hype to get/keep viewers/ratings.

How sad that it seems to reap those viewers/ratings/and subsequent $$$ for networks like TLC.

Until we stop watching this crap, they're going to keep spoonfeeding it to us.

Laughing their way to the bank.

Motel kate said...

Now I know why Kate stayed at the Hilton Inn and Suites.

They allow PETS. (or did that say pest)

I know that wasn't nice heh :>}

Peggy mason said...

So now according to Stephanie Sanwhore-o (via Radar Online of course):

"I personally have been there when they taped," Stephanie said. "They have a ball with it and they love it," she said about the children, despite the fact that Jon has been saying that they are unhappy shooting Jon & Kate Plus 8.

Why Jon is acting out so much is a question that Kate must ask herself everyday, but Stephanie had a blunt reasoning behind his bitter actions towards his estranged wife. "I think he is on a monstrous power trip," Stephanie told RadarOnline.com. "All he wants is control," she said, "Including Kate."


HMMMM...... as if we needed any more proof that something is rotten in the state of Denmark! I truly believe that k-9 and Sanwhore-o are working together somehow. K-9 is paying her or there is something else fishy in the works.

I don't believe that anything EVER HAPPENED between this girl and Jon, K-9 was behind it all and wanted her to seduce him. When he refused they were both angrier than ever and now she thinks she can bad mouth him all over the place.

Who knows what their original plan was, but I think they have had it all planned from the beginning. I am going to run this by my sister who has some insight into the situation.

Once again my bullsh** detector is really going off!!! Radar is such a disgrace to journalism.

mom2threecuties said...

I think the reason Kate is staying at a hotel instead of getting her own apartment/home is because she thinks this is all temporary. She's planning to take Jon down, get full custody of the kids, and move back into the house full-time. JMO

CrazyK8 said...

I don't think J&K was ever meant to be a documentary-style reality show. I think TLC knew people were bored of those, just as people are bored of Big Brother-type "laboratory" reality shows.

I think this is a new hybrid type. Take middle-class families that are somehow "different", but supposedly decent & moral, dupe them into thinking it's a documentary-style show, and watch what happens when they get money waved in front of them.

It's an out-of-the-lab, real-life experiment on real families. Can we destroy a real life family simply by giving them what they want?

Suzi said...

rural mom said...

She has never once complained that multiples meant not being able to nurse them or hold them all in her arms or having enough time to rock and sing to each.

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Kate's saving THOSE memories for her monkey baby!

Ahhhh, how precious...and they'll have so much in common. A love of organic food and a creepy interest in poop!

I just hope TLC provides her some training. I mean, Kate's used to members of her household not slapping back...

Suzi said...

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Anybody heard or seen if she met her Friday court deadline of submtting all her substantiating documents?

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I was wondering about this, too. Anyone??

junebug said...

So Kate needs a place to stay...

Why doesn't she move into one of the crooked houses? I think the pirate one would be the most fitting...alas it is the icky boys. Snark

kate is a cocky bitch said...

Has anyone been to their Wikipedia page lately? Kate & Eileen O'Neill must be busy writing all the lies in it.

trashy Kate said...

"I don't believe Kate comes from a poor background. Her parents did fine..."
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I believe they were kind of poor because they lived in a trailer. They didn't park their trailer in a trailer park but they parked it at their own camp ground. But still...

Traveling to Disneyland in States is affordable. There's always slow seasons with cheap airfare and hotel. You can buy plane tickets during slow seasons. It's really not expensive. And you really don't need to stay more than 2 days. But she couldn't afford it until she met Jon.

A trailer is not an ideal home material. It works but it has challenges and limitation. It's not as pleasant as living in a real building.

Also Kate had never been on a plane before 24 or 25 years old when she married Jon. For her honey moon, she chose to go to Disneyland, that's her first time on the plane. Yup! Jon had backpacked in Europe before 20 or 21 years old but Kate had never gone anywhere. You can tell why Kate chose Jon. It's because she thought she could benefit financially. Jon's dad paid for their first house, not in full but a very decent $100,000. If it's not Jon, she would probably still live in a dingy trailer or apartment. It's OK for her to enjoy Jon's money, it's not OK for Jon to spend less than 10% of their money earned from TLC project. Kate is a despicable person.

Good luck finding the next stupid man to leech from, Kate. The whole country knows you are disgusting. You can't pretend to be nice and take advantage of another man again.

Lisa said...

I find that Kate's personality is similar to the balloon boy's father - obnoxious, deceiving, camera loving, desperate for attention, phony, dramatic, having interview first kids second.

Amazing. He is like the male version of Kate. I don't believe a second that Kate's pregnancy with 6 babies wasn't planned.

lukebandit said...

Motel kate said...
Now I know why Kate stayed at the Hilton Inn and Suites.

They allow PETS. (or did that say pest)

I know that wasn't nice heh :>}


of course she has to go to a hotel that allows pets...and the pet's name is steve!!!

i think kate and stephanie and TLC are all working together to destroy jon. they incapacitate jon, filming will begin and the abuse will continue.

i also agree, i can't believe kate has not burst into flame or struck by lightning. her day is coming.


lukebandit
Isaiah 54:4

livnluv said...

"I don't believe that anything EVER HAPPENED between this girl and Jon, K-9 was behind it all and wanted her to seduce him. When he refused they were both angrier than ever and now she thinks she can bad mouth him all over the place..."

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Jon has always said he did not have a romantic relationship with Stephanie or Kate Major. You can believe these ladies, Kate or Jon. I've always believed Jon. He's been very forthcoming about his relationship with Hailey. Kate, on the other hand, does nothing but lie.

This is why I think it important that someone check out the past relationship between Santoro and Kate. Stephanie said she met Kate on a previous job. Someone needs to ask that question of both of them; what job? If Kate had prior contact with Stephanie in the past, even if only briefly, it wouldn't be that hard for Kate to contact her again and make some arrangements.

I also believe Kate Major was paid to lie. Following is a portion of an article from NY Daily News, July 24th:

"However, sources close to Major claim she’s using the “Jon & Kate 8” star to achieve the fame she’s that always dreamed of.

“Kate always wanted to be a celebrity,” one snitch says of the 26-year-old, who resigned from her reporting duties at Star Thursday, citing a conflict of interest between her work duties and her relationship with Gosselin. “Now she’s getting her 15 minutes.”

Adds a publicist pal, “Kate has always wanted to be on TV. She was a talking head at Star, and told me she wanted to work as [“Real Housewives of Atlanta” cast member] Kim Zolciak’s personal assistant. It didn’t matter how she got there — she just wanted to be in the spotlight.”

I dug out another article on thebootsgirls.com saying KM shopped around the tabloids asking $3000. for a "tell all" about Jon. August 12th she was on E News Special Report one of the first of several "throw Jon under the bus interviews".

Jon's response: "Oh my God, I can't believe she did this to me," Gosselin told the source, quoted by Radar Online. "What do I do? She's totally (bleeping) me over?"

The situation with Stephanie isn't much different. Santoro aspires to be a ?model and has recently updated her portfolio. Not a cheap endeavor at all. She "references" her association with J&K under one of her photos. Trying to get some undeserved recognition are we Steph?

There's lots of unanswered questions about these two. Ever wonder why all these tabloids have accepted theses stories at face value? Just print it and then it becomes true. Sorry, not by a long shot. These stories might be no better than those the Major/Santoro crowd is putting out there, but I'll wait until there's no doubt before I believe what money is buying.

jibberjabbers said...

TLC suing Jon for breech of contract, Kate's thinking about suing Jon because of the "hacking", Stephanie goes on Radar to repeat what her mom stated months ago. All happened on a Friday.

And what was suppose to happened on Friday?

Kate was suppose to provide a full accounting to the missing 55k.

Nice distraction by the Kate and Co.

I can tell you where it went. 10k to Stephanie's mother, 15k to Stephanie, 5k to Radar, and 25k to her private banking account.

Tami said...

Why does Jon only get the kids for a couple of days now and Kate gets them for weeks at a time?

PJ said...

Tami said...
Why does Jon only get the kids for a couple of days now and Kate gets them for weeks at a time?


It must be what Jon and Kate have agreed to as there is no court order on place on it at this point. Jon did say Haley takes care of his schedule so maybe she is part of that decision.

PetMotel said...

lukebandit said...
Motel kate said...
Now I know why Kate stayed at the Hilton Inn and Suites.

They allow PETS. (or did that say pest)

I know that wasn't nice heh :>}


of course she has to go to a hotel that allows pets...and the pet's name is steve!!!

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I THOUGHT YOU MEANT HER HAIR!

sueshe said...

What is up with this babysitter and Radar? Boy money does weird things to weird people. This babysitter is getting paid big bucks for her stories...
It really is a shame to watch this family's breakup on tv and exploited through the media. I feel for both, as this has got to be really brutal for them and horrible for those kids.
I do believe that TLC and Radar have employed a scheme to run Jon through the gutter and to make him as much of a scum bag as they can. He hasn't been a saint....BUT....the flip side is that Kate and her actions have been covered up. TLC wants their angel to appear as holy as holy can be so that she can get her own show.
And to think this all started over a documentary. Wow!!
BTW...I have not nor do I engage in viewing their shows. I lost interest when Jon said months back, that he wanted out of it.
I was just compelled to write when I saw the babysitter on Radar...I definitely think she is in cahoots with Kate.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I agree that Khate thinks are current living situation is "temporary". I also believe she has a nice place in Maryland near Stevie. In any case, the cash has now stopped coming in. How can she possibly pay for all of this? Same with Jon. These two dopes actually believe that their 15 minutes of fame will last a lifetime, and the cash cow will never leave.

MomofFour said...

I've been following the balloon boy situation...amazing how many times they use the Gosselins when explaining what type of situation this is. Is it really a shock for anyone that this would have happened? If a woman will go out and have octuplets for heavens sake trying to do the reality instant star thing then why not try a stunt with your kids to get a wad of cash?? Maybe this situation will highlight how out of hand this has gotten.

More importantly, people see this and then when they see the Gosselins pulling their stunts in the media with this divorce they instantly get negative thoughts which is what needs to happen. The Gosselins, whether all this is a stunt or a grand reality show drama or not should not be allowed to make money off their kids at the expense of their kids. Money does not justify bad moral judgment. Maybe this balloon boy incident will finally tip the scale and people will realize what a disgusting spectacle this really is.

MomofFour said...

Mother of Two said it so well!!!! The Gosselins need to be held up as the standard for what an American family should NOT be...greedy, money-hungry, selfish, pop-culture driven family that puts their selfish, lazy, spoiled needs before their kids well-being.

And what is this "cultured" crap?? Since when did money become the prequisite for culture? Is she for real? Nobody called her out on that? The View is not calling her out on anything because they make money off her apperances and don't want to insult her. They are part of this pop culture crap she is referring to. I hope this situation with the balloon boy wakes people up and they realize how disgusting this is.

ihatefrogs said...

Why does Jon only get the kids for a couple of days now and Kate gets them for weeks at a time?

I wouldnt be fooled by what is being reported or photographs provided via the internet media AKA various Radaronline like websites with respect to J & K's so called 'custody arrangement'. IMO, there exists no consistent rotating custody schedule but rather J & K have a 'custody ARRANGEMENT' that is determined by CONVENIENCE and or dictated by their individual 'work' schedules. I think there is alot of day 'swapping' going on ie 'I will trade you my weekend if you take the kids two days during the week'. Select tabloids and internet media/gossip websites are providing the fuel that feeds the ongoing Jon vs. Kate 'court of public opinion' battle and their agenda has proven to be clearly one sided and self serving.

JFaye said...

Jon and his attorney need to start playing hardball. IMO, part of Jon's issue is his passivity and Kate's control during their marriage. Anyone who doesn't think she was abusing him, does not understand spousal abuse. It's going to take him some time to deal with it and get his spine back. I only hope that she doesn't bankrupt him and prevent him from getting help, for him and the kids.

Again, I do not understand why the children do not have their own lawyer to protect their interests. It is clear that their parents have different viewpoints on what is best for them and are at war with one another over everything. (Big surprise -- most divorces are nasty, especially when there is a controlling spouse involved). TLC, should be made a party to the divorce, IMO, and made to defend their role in this mess. Jon should countersue -- alienation of affection comes to mind.

Somewhereinoh said...

So now according to Stephanie Sanwhore-o (via Radar Online of course):

"I personally have been there when they taped," Stephanie said. "They have a ball with it and they love it," she said about the children, despite the fact that Jon has been saying that they are unhappy shooting Jon & Kate Plus 8.

If I recall correctly, I read that Stephanie had signed a confidentiality agreement.
How is it that Stephanie is able to get away with doing media interviews and make comments with respect to the Gosselin children and TLC filming but yet NOT be held in breach of her confidentiality contract. If Stephanie's confidentiality contract is/was with TLC then clearly TLC has opted to disregard the legalities of said contract in lieu of a quid pro quo deal ie, 'if you do this for us(TLC), you(Stephanie) will get ......... in return'. IMO, KATE'S 'relationship' with Stephanie goes far beyond what she wants the public to believe and that information is WHAT TLC is 'paying' Stephanie to keep silent!!

Charles said...

pinkdiamond611 said...
I agree that Khate thinks are current living situation is "temporary". I also believe she has a nice place in Maryland near Stevie. In any case, the cash has now stopped coming in. How can she possibly pay for all of this? Same with Jon. These two dopes actually believe that their 15 minutes of fame will last a lifetime, and the cash cow will never leave.

10/18/2009 5:07 AM
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Well they have several million dollars right now. Of course, it could run out the way they spend.

If they did everything right neither of them would HAVE to work for the rest of their lives.

GoPoshGo said...

bcsurvivor2001 said...
Must be some mighty important papers she needs to protect/carry with her AT ALL TIMES? Protecting some info there?

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The contents of Kate's bag: most likely the receipt for her boob job (she doesn't want it getting out that she didn't use a coupon), and some incriminating photos of her and the Boobyguard. Oh, and John's balls.

Laine said...

I have to wonder if Jon and his lawyer are letting Stephanie go out there and spew all her stories then will haul her into court as a witness or sue her. If they get her under oath, her story could fall apart.

GoPoshGo said...

Peggy mason said...
So now according to Stephanie Sanwhore-o (via Radar Online of course):
"I personally have been there when they taped," Stephanie said. "They have a ball with it and they love it,"

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Yes, and my kids enjoy pulling plugs out of sockets, climbing up book shelves, and chewing on Legos. Doesn't mean it's safe or good for them, even if they "love it". Even if the G8 have fun being filmed (a highly doubtful claim), a child's safety and well-being need to be considered ahead of how much a child enjoys a certain activity.

Anyway, since when did this Ho and her mustachioed mother become the new authorities on everything Gosselin? Talk about bottom-feeder levels of credibility. Surely ROL can do better than this pair of white trash.

fidosmommy said...

I believe they were kind of poor because they lived in a trailer. They didn't park their trailer in a trailer park but they parked it at their own camp ground. But still...


*****

My understanding is that the Kreiders lived in a HOUSE that was located on THEIR LAND that they
converted into a Christian campground. I've heard it was a very nice house. Not huge, but certainly a nice house.

I've got no problem with trailers.
There are some very nice trailers out there. But I don't think Kate has ever lived in one unless she was camping.

Feeling Sorry for the 8 Kids said...

I've just learned that the authorities are looking into pressing charges against the parents in the "Balloon Boy" saga. I hope they get into serious legal trouble over this since it's obvious that they value being famous over being good parents that keep their children out of harm's way.

I also hope that Jon & Kate will one day get their comeuppance for what they have done to their children in full view of the public.

KyPastor said...

"Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned".

Of course that is a generalization that does not fit every woman who has been through difficult romance or breakup.

However, I've seen it enough in my work as a pastor to say that any person who feels neglected, rejected, or who has been the one
left behind is thinking about revenge on some level. Is it possible that Ms. Santoro has decided to make herself feel better for having been the "woman scorned" by lashing out at Jon?

Another truism, again a general statement not applying to all, is
"my best friend today is the person who also hates my worst enemy today." So, is it possible that Stephanie has decided to support Kate merely because they both are angry with Jon? They don't even have to speak to each other, but if they both throw the same invectives against him, they become best buds by similar agendas. Shared hatred is twice the fun.

fidosmommy said...

In any case, the cash has now stopped coming in. How can she possibly pay for all of this?

*****

If she and Jon are still under contract with TLC, aren't they still getting paid on some level?
Didn't they get paid during the
fall hiatus? A contract is a contract, and they were willing to pay Jon his full contract if he showed up when they told him to.
They may not get the full amount if no filming is being done, but
don't they get something? After all, they can't go out and do other projects until the contract is up or they will be in breach.
There has to be something for them to live on while TLC dangles them up in the air.

Not a lawyer here, just askin'.

PR in PA said...

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more, so unlike Jon &Kate we stopped) said...
Jon and Kate have just become the symbol of everything wrong in our culture today: complaining, ungrateful, road-rage mentality, materialistic, uncaring, ungodly, self-serving consumers, cut-throat, hypocrites, liars, money-grubbing, rude, callous, cruel. Yet this is the family TLC holds in high esteem while the background music plays "It's a Beautiful Life."
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Well said!!

Nan said...

Just received my Good Housekeeping magazine with yet another "Kate is a saint" article.

It was all a bunch of crap as usual and talking about how her faith is getting her through it. You know, the faith that is only mentioned when it's convenient for her or will benefit her financially.

She made one statement that has to be the ultimate PR spin on something.

She admitted she was traveling a lot in the last year and so most of the time there was only one parent at home. She now looks back and thinks all the traveling was a good thing because it prepared the children for the divorce and only one parent being around. Unbelievable!

Suzi said...

Went to TLC website and noticed a couple of things.

First, the "Just Ask Kate" feature is gone and I never did see any questions posted or answered. I'm wondering how many of the questions were similar to the ones I submitted. :)

Also, they now have a feature where they want "fans" to vote for their "favorites." BUT, in a horrifying twist, they actually want people to vote for their favorite Kate meltdown and favorite Jon & Kate fight. What?? Like that's cute? They say the favorites will be featured in an upcoming episode, so I guess that is a ploy to stretch out the season. Does anyone think this is sick????

Noelle said...

Has anyone else noticed how the sextuplet girls' hair is always in braids or something else very nice, while Mady and Cara's is just hanging there? Does anyone know why?

GetAClue said...

Went to TLC website and noticed a couple of things.

First, the "Just Ask Kate" feature is gone and I never did see any questions posted or answered. I'm wondering how many of the questions were similar to the ones I submitted. :)

Also, they now have a feature where they want "fans" to vote for their "favorites." BUT, in a horrifying twist, they actually want people to vote for their favorite Kate meltdown and favorite Jon & Kate fight. What?? Like that's cute? They say the favorites will be featured in an upcoming episode, so I guess that is a ploy to stretch out the season. Does anyone think this is sick????

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Absolutely, exploiting Kate's verbal abuse of Jon or the kids is fair game for ratings. TLC needs to get a clue. HELLOOOOOOO!

KateJustifiesEverything said...

She admitted she was traveling a lot in the last year and so most of the time there was only one parent at home. She now looks back and thinks all the traveling was a good thing because it prepared the children for the divorce and only one parent being around. Unbelievable!
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Yes, the Gosselin kids should get used to one parent (Jon) or a Nanny around the majority of the time. Kate- We already know your job is not to be a parent, as you travel as much as you possibly can, while promoting yourself as the "perfect parent who loves her kids." What total BS. All about Kate's ego, never about the kid's well-being or else she would have her behind home! Especially in the divorce transition. Such a farce!!

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

GoPoshGo said...
The contents of Kate's bag: the receipt for her boob job..and some incriminating photos of her and the Boobyguard. Oh, and John's balls.

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Jon's balls AND Steve's balls

mommadiane5 said...

Does anyone else remember Jon saying that Kate had hid $100,000 ? This was a couple of months ago, I think. Anyway, then, Kate started a fund for the kids with $80,000. Does anyone else think that that is the only money set aside for the kids ( The real and substantial amount Kate keeps talking about )?

If that's all that is set aside...the kids got less than 1% of the money each. Jon and Kate kept 92% I don't think TLC thought they should be putting money aside for the kids. They paid the family. J&K were supposed to make sure that the kids were taken care of. And, I do not think they did.

The house does not belong to the kids and it really can't. There is a mortgage. Are the kids supposed to work and pay the mortgage? I guess so.

If that is all that is set aside for the kids...it sure isn't going to go far for college. It might buy their books.

I won't be watching tomorrow night. I hope many of you won't either.

WhatNext? said...

PR in PA said...
Mother of Two(couldn't afford more, so unlike Jon &Kate we stopped) said...
Jon and Kate have just become the symbol of everything wrong in our culture today: complaining, ungrateful, road-rage mentality, materialistic, uncaring, ungodly, self-serving consumers, cut-throat, hypocrites, liars, money-grubbing, rude, callous, cruel. Yet this is the family TLC holds in high esteem while the background music plays "It's a Beautiful Life."
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I agree. If TLC thinks this type of behavior appeals to the average intelligent family viewer, they are sadly mistaken.

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

I smell something fishy again! For 5 months we've seen pictures of Jon & Hailey "nuzzling" yet we never see them actually kiss? Never have we seen their lips actually touch! In this picture below, why didnt this Paparazzi get the money-shot? NO PROOF! I think we're all being punked! Is this all a big joke for ratings?

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/25585/2009/10/jon-gosselin-and-hailey-glassman-take-carriage-ride-nyc

Midnight Serenade said...

"My understanding is that the Kreiders lived in a HOUSE that was located on THEIR LAND that they
converted into a Christian campground. I've heard it was a very nice house. Not huge, but certainly a nice house.

I've got no problem with trailers.
There are some very nice trailers out there. But I don't think Kate has ever lived in one unless she was camping."
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Exactly correct. In the 1970s they owned 26 acres of land in South Londonderry Township, and built their house on 6 1/2 acres. They then obtained an additional 60 acres and requested permission to build a campground (temporary facility for camping trailers) upon it.

From where does this information surface that she grew up poor in a trailer?

jasmine said...

I personally think Stephanie Santoro is speaking out for the money and whatever else her two minutes of fame will bring. Hire her and you get her mother also, like a two for one package. Both have big mouths and are looking for money. Maybe Stephanie and her mother seduced Jon together.

rural mom said...

Stephanie signed a non disclosure agreement, TLC makes all employees do so. Jon's lawyer brought that up a month ago when she surfaced with her "bombshells". So now it appears TLC released her from the document and permitted her to give interviews to Radar Online, something Jon's lawyer needs to bring up in court. I think TLC is pulling out all the stops to bring Jon down.

Thought I saw said...

I smell something fishy again! For 5 months we've seen pictures of Jon & Hailey "nuzzling" yet we never see them actually kiss? Never have we seen their lips actually touch!

I thought there were pictures of them kissing when he took her to PA?

KyPastor said...

Earlier somebody was discussing how Kate must have grown up poor because she didn't get to go lots of places until she met Jon.

The Kreiders may have been very involved in their campsite work. It was a ministry for them. And, ministers get limited time away from their churches, believe me.
I haven't had a real vacation in years. So income may not have been the deciding factor for Rev. and Mrs. Kreider not taking Kate on trips and filling her every wish. Jon, on the other hand, had
those experiences on his father's dime and Kate was more than eager to join him for more adventures and spending.

KyPastor said...

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...
I smell something fishy again! For 5 months we've seen pictures of Jon & Hailey "nuzzling" yet we never see them actually kiss? Never have we seen their lips actually touch! In this picture below, why didnt this Paparazzi get the money-shot? NO PROOF! I think we're all being punked! Is this all a big joke for ratings?

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Haven't we seen the money shots before, when they were a new couple? I thought we had. Anyway, I for one am very thankful not to have to be an eyewitness to people smooching in public. I find it rather immature and troubling when couples can't hold themselves in check while in public.

ErinKate said...

I see the Little People, Big World dad, Matt Roloff, is going skiing on tomorrow night's episode. Hmmm, shades of the Gosselins ski trip come to mind. Does TLC send all their reality families to the same places all the time?

MickeyMcKean said...

Virginia Mom said...
Ohio Buckeye wrote:

"Between the entire Gosselin melodrama and this week's 'missing' 6 year old/parents' balloon, I WISH people would get it that the whole concept of 'reality' is anything but. It is planned, scripted, bogus.

And using kids in these ridiculous plots to increase the drama factor is just deplorable."

*********

YES, I couldn't agree more! The Heene family/"balloon boy" exploits are drawing well-needed attention to the issues with reality TV--issues which wreck lives permanently for the sake of "entertainment".

The timing of "balloon boy" is providential--perhaps the catalyst for change. People are suddenly talking about the risks of putting people for display on these shows.

SNIPPED FOR SPACE

This article backs up what so many here have said:

http://www.denverpost.com/newsheadlines/ci_13586331

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Folks, be sure to read the Denver Post article listed above. You too Jon!

God sure does work in mysterious ways and I for one just love Divine Intervention!

I have been bitchin' for the past few days about TLC's timing of the lawsuit and the nanny coming forward ...

Now we have the balloon boy story - wow, talk about TIMING!

The Heene family, in hopes of getting a reality TV show, created a situation which caught the attention of the whole country and yet it was all staged. A hoax. FAKE.

If ever there is proof of what parent(s) will do to even their own children to get on TV for fame and money ...

If ever there was a story where a judge could see for himself just how far a parent will go without thinking about the health, safety and welfare of the children just for media attention ...

Ah yes, when is the judge in the Gosselin case supposed to determine whether or not Jon as a father can determine whether or not the filming of his kids for a reality TV show is now detrimental to their health even though Jon did not decide to stop the show until recently?

The court date is soon, right? It must be because I'm sure this is why TLC and Kate are putting pressure on Jon now - again, timing is everything.

Thank you Balloon Boy!

seriouslyWTF said...

She now looks back and thinks all the traveling was a good thing because it prepared the children for the divorce and only one parent being around.

Talk about a WTF statement !What a ridiculous way to justify all her extended absences from home. I swear, Kate can take ANY situation and put a self serving spin on it! As if Kate spending months away from her children somehow PREPARED them for the mental and emotional trauma that comes with divorce? Dont whine about mommy and daddy DIVORCING and not living together because YOU SHOULD BE USED TO IT !! This comes after the promise she made to her children that 'they will ALWAYS BE TOGETHER'.

DLCF said...

Noelle said...
Has anyone else noticed how the sextuplet girls' hair is always in braids or something else very nice, while Mady and Cara's is just hanging there? Does anyone know why?
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M&C aren't the money kids and therefore don't have to remain cute and wee and matchy-pants.

just wondering said...

mom2threecuties said...
I think the reason Kate is staying at a hotel instead of getting her own apartment/home is because she thinks this is all temporary. She's planning to take Jon down, get full custody of the kids, and move back into the house full-time. JMO
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Kate does not want the kids or the house, in my opinion. She wants to be a star. The kids are only the vehicle she is using to get there. And she certainly doesn't want to deal with the maintenance of that large house and property because it would take too much time away from her life. I think she is seething about not getting her condo in MD.

Betsy1565 said...

A thought just came to me. Remember a few weeks ago, when Kate came to the house when it wasn't her "custody" time, and the police were called, etc.

How else could Kate draw attention to the fact that the babysitter was in the house with Jon? She wanted the public to think Jon was screwing the babysitter.

mamaK said...

Sorry, I am reading earlier comments about them not going to the Statue of Liberty...didn't Kate say on one of the behind the scenes shows that they are just living their lives and if TLC wants to film they can and can use whatever they get??? So why wouldn't they go anyway...unless its all staged for a tv show...

'G' Ma said...

Typical KHate logic! Leaving your children for days, even weeks on end was ultimately GOOD for them but taking off the DAMN RING would have devastated them?

Di said...

has anyone seen Steve with Kate lately? I don't think I've seen any pics in quite awhile of the two of them.

ErinKate said...

mamaK:Of course Kate can still go to the Statue of Liberty. But she had to run to the Today show and the View and cry about Jon taking all her money and now they are poor and she can't pay her bills. So I guess she was paying for the trip, not TLC? It doesn't really matter because it is all b/s anyway. Thank goodness she and the kids talked about her new ring with the 8 diamonds. Like 5 year olds know what the heck she was talking about or could care. Of course, the ring was discussed with the kids because the ring will somehow pay all those bills in her handbag. And no one on the Today show questioned her about that statement. That is why you know this is all crap and just done for sympathy.The bottom line is the kids don't go anywhere unless TLC tapes them.

GoPoshGo said...

'G' Ma said...
Typical KHate logic! Leaving your children for days, even weeks on end was ultimately GOOD for them but taking off the DAMN RING would have devastated them?

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Well, I guess the kids are going to have some more "good for them" this week. According to ROL, it's Kate's week for custody. HHmmmm, last I read, she'll be off to CA to solicit her lack of talent at that women's convention this week. Such a hands-on mom. Maybe she'll leave the ring for them, so they can hug it when they get lonely.

Im_in_PR said...

Typical KHate logic! Leaving your children for days, even weeks on end was ultimately GOOD for them but taking off the DAMN RING would have devastated them?

It always freaked me out that she actually bragged about never calling them during those two years she spent out on the road.

Renee said...

I've got no problem with trailers.
There are some very nice trailers out there. But I don't think Kate has ever lived in one unless she was camping.
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I think there is a very huge misconception of what a "trailer" is. Most people think of a trailer as something you attach to the back of a car for vacations and such. Some people do live in those but that is usually not the implication when one refers to a dwelling ("mobile home" is more apropos) that is prefabricated and meant to be moved once, delivered that is, then set on a permanent foundation. An RV park and a trailer park are two different things. Yes, I live in a trailer/mobile home and it is much nicer than some traditional homes and apartments I've seen. A lot cheaper, too! I'm not sure if the Kreiders owned an RV park or a trailer park but I am almost completely sure they didn't live in Airstream!

CrazyK8 said...

I absolutely agree -- Kate and/or TLC are paying people to lie about Jon. I'm sure Kate has paid women to try to seduce Jon.

Sadly, Jon is making it all believable.

kids should not be on reality shows said...

A quote from the Denver article cited above.... I think it bears repeating.

"The family is meant to be a private and safe place — a vessel of values, with the parents setting the boundaries. As soon as you invite a camera in with a child, you're inviting in a competing value system."

Miami psychologist Jamie Huysman

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

'She now looks back and thinks all the traveling was a good thing because it prepared the children for the divorce and only one parent being around.'

Geez, well good thing all those children in 3rd world countries go without food that way they get used to the idea of what it feels like to STARVE!!

goawayJandK said...

Don't know why but tonight I got curious as to how many "hits" GWOP has had:

MORE THAN 9 MILLION!!

I was posting here when "we" celebrated the 2 million mark.

Congrats and thanks to all the mods and posters here. I DO think we are making a difference, just one tiny step at a time.

Mona said...

DLCF said...
Noelle said...
Has anyone else noticed how the sextuplet girls' hair is always in braids or something else very nice, while Mady and Cara's is just hanging there? Does anyone know why?
________________________________

M&C aren't the money kids and therefore don't have to remain cute and wee and matchy-pants.

******

Along the same line of thinking, Mady and Cara are well past the baby stage when it was fun for Kate to fix their hair. Kate does well with babies but loses interest as they grow up.

I've seen Kate brush the tups' hair and it looks like it hurts.
She really digs with that brush.
Mady and Cara may have put a moratorium on Mommy or Nanny ever touching their tresses again. I wouldn't blame them.

Brummygirl said...

Well, I guess the kids are going to have some more "good for them" this week. According to ROL, it's Kate's week for custody. HHmmmm, last I read, she'll be off to CA to solicit her lack of talent at that women's convention this week. Such a hands-on mom. Maybe she'll leave the ring for them, so they can hug it when they get lonely.
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They are probably heaving great sighs of relief. I remember one of the tups saying at the ranch that they could do something because Kate was gone.
No more screeching, no more orders, no more "come and get yer dinner!!!

Ryan's Mom said...

I really believe that these poor children have been damaged beyond repair by their parents. Just consider this: every person, pet, or stuffed animal you ever had, and ever loved, has disappeared from your life. Thrown out like yesterday's trash. Mommy and Daddy get "married" and PROMISE that they will love each other forever, and that the family will always be together. Promises made and broken, lies upon lies. How does a child develop any sense of security in that kind of environment? If you cannot trust your Mommy and Daddy as a child, who CAN you trust? You have no grandparents to help you, no aunts or uncles, no cousins. No doggies or stuffed animals to listen to your troubles. Nowhere, no one to turn to.

No one to teach you how to be a friend to others, how to share, how to wait your turn, how to even tie your shoes. No one to tuck you in at night.

This is so tragic. How many of your earliest childhood memories are made up of fancy trips and fancy clothes? How many are made up of grandma hugging you, Mommy and Daddy's lap, that sense of security when you came home from school and knew you were in a safe place where people loved you forever, no matter who made fun of you that day.

No, I'm not describing an idealistic world. Of course every family has some problems and not everyone's childhood was idyllic. But even if yours wasn't, at least it wasn't on TV for the whole world to see. Can you imagine having no privacy, no security and no unconditional love as a child? How can you get through the difficulties that life brings to everyone without this base?

Wow.

Jane in California said...

Memories said...

If you listen to your kids, you may be surprised to hear what times of their lives have been most memorable to them. Our k


I agree - more often than not, it's little moments that we all remember, not the big ticket events of our lives. My son and I have many of those shared moments. Once we were stopped at a light and a woman (pedestrian) was shouting out. We thought she was calling to a friend, but it turns our she thought my son didn't have his seat belt on. She was yelling, "put on your seat belt." We both thought she was more than a little odd and drove off quickly. Today, that's a story we tell and laugh about. Silly moment, no? But a shared moment, one of many shared moments in our lives, all of them special in their own way.

Lisa said...

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

Geez, well good thing all those children in 3rd world countries go without food that way they get used to the idea of what it feels like to STARVE!!
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OH SNAP!! That's a good one!! It kills me how Kate and all her "fans" can always manage to justify everything she says and does. She will never admit to anything she does being wrong. Even the way she treated Jon. She would always try to blame her bad behavior on other things, like he didn't try hard enough to help her or ask her what she needed. Everything is about her and in her eyes, she is perfect! I know people like this....they are always the victim, nothing is ever their fault, but yet they hold others to an impossible standard to live up to. Jon never stood a chance with Kate. In the long run, he and the kids will hopefully be better off (and I am not an advocate for divorce, but I also don't think it's ok for kids to be raised in a family where one parent is berated constantly in front of them.)

get the kids in counseling said...

Ryan's Mom said...

Can you imagine having no privacy, no security and no unconditional love as a child? How can you get through the difficulties that life brings to everyone without this base?
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My mom had a truly horrifying childhood. What you mentioned was just the tip of the iceberg for her and her six siblings. Her parents make J&K look like Ward and June Cleaver. After years of counseling and being away from her parents my mom is a functioning productive member of society. She and her siblings did not come out unscathed, but they are mostly good people trying to live a normal life and do the right thing. Having it all aired on TV does change the situation, but I think if the Gosselins are away from the situation and have a lot of counseling, they could be also. That is my hope at least.

Annies said...

Nan said:

Just received my Good Housekeeping magazine with yet another "Kate is a saint" article.

It was all a bunch of crap as usual and talking about how her faith is getting her through it. You know, the faith that is only mentioned when it's convenient for her or will benefit her financially.

Faith! She doesn't go to church anymore.. If she was a good Mom, she would have let the kids continue to go to Sunday School as they really enjoyed it.

Canadian Mom said...

http://jk8forum.com/cgi-bin/discourse/YaBB.pl?num=1226285864

Pssssst...Jenny! Please read at your convenience.

*about time for another refresher course of the inner workings of Jon & Kate*

Canadian Mom said...

dustilies and stopthemadness:

How about a special called...

"Planet of the Kates"??

TLC is Horrible said...

Can't sleep, my own problems. I was watching TLC & checking the TV guide for shows & tho I've read it here I guess it never sank in. I have been caught up in The Jon & Kate contraversy, not watching for a long time but reading here & was surprised how popular they are on tabloids, magazines.. But tonight I realized somthing BIG, they are not on a reputable TV channel. My Gosh, tonight was Albinos & Lepers, The Woman with Big Legs..I have seen on here about Treeman....I would be so ashamed to be on this channel. It is not a normal TV channel. Heck, MTV is even better. Or A & E. So for them to be "celebrities" on this lame channel is obsurd. Do they not get that? America tunes it to see the oddity. I never realized this before. I thought the kids were cute, a unique family...but the truth is it is not normal. Kate is not normal. People tune in to see the disfunction. How can she be proud of her family being on this sad depressing TV station. TLC, please stop. You are exploiting so many sad lives. You are not helping them. I am blocking the channel. It makes me so sad & upset. Jon & Kate, you are being used as an oddity for all to gawk at. No different from any other sideshow. Don't you see it? PLEASE STOP!

Canadian Mom said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRPrh3pCpA&feature=PlayList&p=F4E4950E508B7F24&index=67

At 33 seconds, u can clearly see a WOODEN SPOON in Kate's hand as poor Colin RUNS to the corner....

Nyk said...

Im_in_PR said...

"It always freaked me out that she actually bragged about never calling them during those two years she spent out on the road."

And she's the type of "mom" (I use that term loosely) that will demand every kid call her every day once they move out. I have SIL that's been in therapy for years because she's like this. She just can't let go (control freak) and can't handle the kids having lives of their own - the youngest is 24 and she still has problems with it.

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

EXCLUSIVE VIDEO INTERVIEW: Nanny Stephanie Santoro says Jon Gosselin Told Her Hailey Was A “Business Relationship”
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No, I dont believe anything Stephanie Santoro says, but recently I posted a comment about how we never actually see Jon kiss Hailey ON THE MOUTH....well,maybe this Radaronline headline speaks volumes. Im still thinking we are all being "punked" by J&K for ratings!
Yes, there have been pictures of them making out, but never any real lip-contact (not that I wanted to see it anyway), just think its very odd.

Not a fan of either said...

I just saw on the Today show the lawyer for the balloon parents. He told the police it would be "child abuse"to arrest the
parents in front of the children. Who is speaking out for the Gosselin children? Is it not child abuse for TLC to play out all the ugly aspects of their parent's divorce for all the world to see? I can think of numerous instances of child abuse in Gosselin world. People complain, but there is no real hue and cry for these children. In fact, the media is eating it up. The balloon parents are idiots IMO. Are the Gosselin parents much better? Well I've always said there is no law against stupid people having children, but when oh when does it all cross the line?

Come and Get Your Popcorn said...

At last TLC is giving Jon a forum to expose the ugly truth.

Get your IT skills out Jon and put together all the ugly things TLC has shown about your kids--including the time Mady had to go in the kitchen and covered herself with a blanket, the times the children have pushed the camera away or said what are you looking at, the time Aaden asked them not to film and they did--the entire 8 months they continued to shoot as a family, when they were in fact separated...all the times they told him to put his arm around her before the world knew they were separated.

All the meltdowns..the time when one of the kids was screaming bloody murder and Kate tried to drown them out..when they came running to her (after she had been gone for a long time), and she said ugh and made the ugliest face to the camera that I have ever seen--all the mean stuff she said to Jon on camera in front of the kids--

Tell everything you know Jon including the fact that TLC paired Kate with her boyfriend under the guise of a body guard. Don't let them break you!!!!!!!

Oh don't forget about the bathroom shots of them bathing and being dressed in front of the camrea and using the bathroom in front of the camera.

Oh yea and don't forget the show is SCRIPTED and the children are being made to WORK in the hot sun and are being denied water on set and are gretting SPANKED.

PJ said...

Brummygirl said...
Well, I guess the kids are going to have some more "good for them" this week. According to ROL, it's Kate's week for custody. HHmmmm, last I read, she'll be off to CA to solicit her lack of talent at that women's convention this week. Such a hands-on mom. Maybe she'll leave the ring for them, so they can hug it when they get lonely.


Actually the Woman's Conference in California is next week (Oct 27) so unless she is going out there a week ahead of time, I think Kate will be with the kids this week. Also she doesn't appear to have any other speaking engagements until April.

SarahinTO said...

Ryan's mom said...

No one to teach you how to be a friend to others, how to share, how to wait your turn, how to even tie your shoes. No one to tuck you in at night.
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At least the 8 have each other. I hope that Mady & Cara have stepped up to be a strong force in the tups lives. Even tucking them in at night.

Kelly34 said...

I can't get over the lengths people are willing to go to to excuse Jon's involvement in the show for YEARS and his behavior since the marital separation. Everything from he was an abused spouse to a pawn to the therapy transformed him and caused him to see the light. Its all so ridiculous. Jon is no better than Kate. He made a ton of money off his kids backs, and that money is funding his lavish lifestyle. He's a rotten parent and a huge tool, just like Kate. I don't get why people are so eager to make excuses for him.

Oh, and how is a Divorced Dads show going to work without showing the kids on there? Is he going to keep them off his new show because he now sees how exploitive it is? How much college for his kids could the money spent on Hailey's new luxury car have paid for?

Good Grief said...

Jodie said...

I agree, Emma! The one thing I WISH someone would ask her is why she only had $240,000 (or whatever it was) in her account in the first place. They have made MILLIONS off the show, books, speaking engagements, etc. and have barely needed to spend money on basic necessities for their children (free clothes, toys, trips, school tuition, etc.). Even with $100,000 set aside for each child, she should have had WAY more than $240,000 left over. I hope these greedy parents finally make this country apply the same rules to reality show stars as they do to child actors.

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She said very clearly that it was their LIQUID $. She did not state that it was the only money they had. For goodness sakes, most wealthy people don't leave all their money in their checking account.

Thinkin' 'Bout It All said...

>> Anne said said...
>> Does anyone think within 2-3
>> years we'll see Jon or Kate
>> doing anything in the field of
>> entertainment, other than the
>> occasional appearance in
>> a "where are they now" segment
>> or a court appearance? I just
>> can't see any long term success
>> in either of their futures.

I see Kate doing Celebrity Boxing, maybe going up against Tonya Harding. Jon will be on some rehab documentary sharing screen time with Leif Garret. The kids will be writing books and have a better chance than the parents of making it in the entertainment industry. Maybe, someday, in a twist of fate, Cara & Mady will become joint owners of TLC! The Six will become entertainment moguls who are completely estranged from their parents.

Good Grief said...

JFaye said...

Jon and his attorney need to start playing hardball...

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It seems they already tried to play hardball. It got Jon sued.

jill said...

"with only a limited number of episodes left, Jon and Kate spend some quality time with the people who matter most...

...the camera crew and you, the viewer...."

That sounds better!

Dunwoody Mom said...

Kelly34 said:Oh, and how is a Divorced Dads show going to work without showing the kids on there? Is he going to keep them off his new show because he now sees how exploitive it is? How much college for his kids could the money spent on Hailey's new luxury car have paid for?

Kelly - show me where this show is "for real". Also, do you really believe (well I guess you do since you wrote this) that Jon bought Hailey a new luxury car? Hailey does not need Jon to buy her a car. Hailey's dad is plastic surgeon - capable of buying his own daughter a car.

Brummygirl said...

I am wondering why they have to get up so early? Surely it does not take them over three hours to get ready? What time does their school start?

Brummygirl said...

PJ said...
Brummygirl said...
Well, I guess the kids are going to have some more "good for them" this week. According to ROL, it's Kate's week for custody. HHmmmm, last I read, she'll be off to CA to solicit her lack of talent at that women's convention this week. Such a hands-on mom. Maybe she'll leave the ring for them, so they can hug it when they get lonely.

Actually the Woman's Conference in California is next week (Oct 27) so unless she is going out there a week ahead of time, I think Kate will be with the kids this week. Also she doesn't appear to have any other speaking engagements until April.

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That was not my post.

Two kids.. said...

Someone needs to find Beth!!! And, someone should know where Kate had her boobs done. Maybe she is paying to keep people quiet?

Midnight Serenade said...

"I am wondering why they have to get up so early? Surely it does not take them over three hours to get ready? What time does their school start?"

They have to get to the bus stop, then they have an hour ride on the bus. I would imagine it takes at least an hour to get them up and ready so that they don't miss the bus. It doesn't take them three hours to get ready!

Midnight Serenade said...

"So now it appears TLC released her from the document and permitted her to give interviews to Radar Online, something Jon's lawyer needs to bring up in court."

How do you know that? Was it reported somewhere, or by TLC? Could it be that she just said the heck with the confidentiality agreement and figured that the money she made from the publicity would supercede the fines that might be imposed by TLC?

not K8's bestest friend said...

Canadian Mom said...

At 33 seconds, u can clearly see a WOODEN SPOON in Kate's hand as poor Colin RUNS to the corner....
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I didn't have the sound on. I saw the title was Discipline. Was the show really about how they discipline the kids? I bet the wooden spoon was conveniently not mentioned. What a fraud.

Come and Get Your Popcorn said...

I read on a post -- don't remember which one that Kate had executive producer status now?!! What the hay! Maybe we have this all wrong about the bodyguard thing, she is in hot and heavy w/ someone at TLC! How can they possibly continue to believe that this heinous woman is still marketable. I would love to see a Jon plus 8 show if he moved back in the old house and had Jody nearby, that would be great. I will not watch Kate and am going to let TLC that I will no longer support any of the sponsors of the show and will each and every one know the reason why. Forget TLC, I am going to work on the sponsors. TLC is as crazy as Kate!

not K8's bestest friend said...

Give It A Rest said...

Pattypanda said...

I think it's a shame, the kids can't go to their local school. (snipped)
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So now they're bad parents for sending their children to private school? Do you feel that way about all parents who make that choice, or just the Gosselins?
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I get what Pattypanda was saying. I don't think it had anything to do with private versus public school. I think her comment was more along the lines of the time the kids spend away from home and the long commute they have.

Sasha222 said...

Dunno if it's been posted but this Vanity Fair article on Jon & Kate is a MUST READ!

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910

Sasha222 said...

Oh and there is a shoutout to GWOP! lol

ThosePoorKids said...

Thank you Kelly34! I also cannot believe all the posters defending Jon. Both J&K are vile people, and I do NOT understand why people will bend over backwards to defend Jon. It’s like ever since the divorce proceedings started, people think that they have to champion Jon in order to stick it to Kate. They are BOTH so selfish, grasping and fame hungry it makes my head spin.

“Great Dad” Jon brought Michael Lohan over to his house and allowed his children to be photographed with him.

“Great Dad’ Jon is on tmz this morning, making out with his 22 year old gf as his horse-drawn carriage pulls up to a NYC restaurant Saturday night. Hungry for attention much?

he makes me sick. That does NOT mean that Kate isn't just as bad. She is. But to paint him as some sort of saint is ridiculous.

SafetyTrain said...

"Why hasn't someone asked her how she planned on supporting them and giving them opportunities had they not been on a reality show in the first place?"

emma - excellent question.

Jane in California said...

Two kids.. said...

Someone needs to find Beth!!! And, someone should know where Kate had her boobs done. Maybe she is paying to keep people quiet?



My feeling about Beth is that she had good intentions when she volunteered to help with the tups as babies. She genuinely befriended Kate, and I believe she was taken in by her and believed her to be a truly loving yet overwhelmed mom with some little quirks, like control issues, germaphobe, etc. I also think she vicariously enjoyed being a bit in the spotlight, on TV, etc. This is not a criticism of Beth - it's human nature and in her shoes, I would have felt some thrill at becoming somewhat known because I was on a TV show.

I think her husband Bob had reservations long before she did and I'm sure discussed those with Beth. I notice he was not eager to be filmed, even early on.

At some point, there was a final straw or a moment of realization for Beth, a realization of what a fraud Kate was, and also what an unsavory person. I am sure that was quite a shocking moment.

I think Beth removed herself from the situation at that point, no longer able to continue with what she saw as a farce. And my guess is she feels a little bit of embarrassment, regret or shame at not recognizing the signs earlier.

Calling for Beth to speak out may be asking too much. She obviously wants to be left well out of this fiasco.

If you read this blog Beth -- I'm glad you were around in the tups and twins lives for awhile. Your home offered them a welcome break, a chance to run around and have fun, to play with your older kids, to have a loving adult presence. Maybe someday they can reconnect with you again and reminisce about those good times you shared.

Merrilee said...

Noelle said...
Has anyone else noticed how the sextuplet girls' hair is always in braids or something else very nice, while Mady and Cara's is just hanging there? Does anyone know why?
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I think the tup girls do often have their hair hanging in their faces.

I am surprised when I do see it braided or pulled back. All the girls have some really BAD hair days.

tallblonde said...

Four page article in new Vanity Fair:

The Unreal Rise of Jon and Kate Gosselin

How did two average parents from rural Pennsylvania with an outsize brood rise to such dizzying heights of stardom and tabloid infamy? The author peers behind the curtain of the biggest celebrity story of the year.
By Nancy Jo Sales

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910

livnluv said...

"...he makes me sick. That does NOT mean that Kate isn't just as bad. She is. But to paint him as some sort of saint is ridiculous."

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Jon said, stop the filming, cease and desist. I don't want cameras in my house. I don't want my children on TV.

He did the right thing here, so he gets my support as long as he's trying to make that happen.

Painted said...

Thank you, ThesePoorKids! Finally someone else sees what I've been noticing.

They both stink. Kate and her crybaby interviews with the interviewers sucking up to her and Jon courting the paparazzi for any attention he can get - absolutely pathetic.

ShangraLady said...

Why would anyone want to know where Kate got her boobs done? And you don't have to pay to keep medical people quiet. They are required by law to keep quiet.

I could care less about Kate's boobs.

She's come undone said...

There was a reason why Kate went to Jon in Oct 08 and told him it was over. I believe TLC was behind all that and I definitely have not ruled out that Kate is involved with "someone" at TLC. But make no mistake TLC masterminded this fiasco and manipulated Kate every step of the way. They knew once Jon got over the initial shock that he would go wild to show Kate that he could get women at the drop of a hat (or whatever). They knew he would screw up. Of course Kate was a willing partner to all this because she saw fame and fortune up ahead which is all she has ever wanted. Someday it will all come out. What goes around comes around.

Dunwoody Mom said...

You just know Kate and TLC are livid over that "Balloon Boy Hoax" is taking the attention away from them.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Anybody leave a question for her to answer? Just curious.

http://blogs.discovery.com/jon-and-kate/

Especially since it appears she'll be doing a 60 min Q&A for her undying fan club on 10/26 (coincidentally the same day of the deadline for the court stuff)

Wonder if any GWOP questions will get answered on air??????

abbra said...

It takes two to tango and that Stephanie Santarro isn't without guilt if Jon did bone her.
She's a grown woman she could have refused him hot tub pleasure especially knowing that he was a married man. She has no scruples and certainly no work ethics.
Wait! I bet Kate and TLC will have old Steph telling Radaronline that Jon practically raped her so thats why she didn't refuse him.

cheryl said...

Reminder, the G's have a 10/26
court date.

Frannie said...

Sasha222 said...
Oh and there is a shoutout to GWOP! lol

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Not really funny -


From the Vanity Fair article:
"...frequent “Hot Topic” on The View—and the target of thousands of disapproving blogs (GosselinsWithoutPity being the most insane)."

Obviously, the Vanity Fair writer and the TLC PR were in cohoots to try to seem like it was an unbiased article, but they are so very obviously pro-Kate.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

Jon has always said he did not have a romantic relationship with Stephanie or Kate Major. You can believe these ladies, Kate or Jon. I've always believed Jon. He's been very forthcoming about his relationship with Hailey. Kate, on the other hand, does nothing but lie.
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I have never believed Jon.

I agree with those posters who talk about how some people are so quick to defend Jon just to stick it to Kate. I do not believe Jon for a second. I am not saying that Kate Major and Stephanie are 100% correct (both are famewhores) but Jon lies just like Kate does. Why is it that Jon is always "believable" and Kate is always the liar?

For example, there are interviews of Jon saying he only took $22,500 from the bank account because that is his paycheck. He swore up and down that was all he took. Then, after their recent court appearance, Jon admits to taking $155,000. He lied right there on camera about the amount of money he took. That is just one of the many examples.

BOTH Jon and Kate are liars and I don't believe either one of them. They both will do and say whatever they have to, to try to make themselves look good...even at the expense of their children.

I am so appalled by the comments left on Radar and other sites that say "Team Jon". Why are people Team Jon or Team Kate? Whatever happened to "Team Children"???

Can'tStandHer said...

Here's a great article from my hometown paper, The Orlando Sentinel:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-balloon-boy-jon-kate-plus-8-children-as-props-.html

Suzi said...

From Fox Philly:

"According to court papers made public by Radar Online last week, Jon and Kate Gosselin were not being paid by TLC after Jon Gosselin demanded that camera crews leave his house in Wernersville, Pa.

Last Tuesday, MyFoxPhilly was the first to report that the Gosselins had two outstanding mortgages and that the original combined balances on those mortgages exceeded $900,000."

If this information is correct, the Gosselins are in for some major financial issues. For those in Wernersville/E-Town, what are their houses actually worth now?

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Sasha222 said...
Dunno if it's been posted but this Vanity Fair article on Jon & Kate is a MUST READ!

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2009/10/jon-and-kate-gosselin-200910
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Wow - the first GOOD article I've read (IMHO). To a tee...

HW said...

Noelle said...
Has anyone else noticed how the sextuplet girls' hair is always in braids or something else very nice, while Mady and Cara's is just hanging there? Does anyone know why?
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When my daughter was five, I still braided her hair and put a bow in it every day. By age nine, she didn't want me fixing her hair, so I didn't. It is hard to believe that Kate would give up control that easily but remember - the twins aren't her "money makers" - the tups are. She probably doesn't care what they do with their hair.

But if it's their choice to have their hair down then I'm glad they are wearing it that way.

PA Woman said...

Go Away Gosselins! said...
For example, there are interviews of Jon saying he only took $22,500 from the bank account because that is his paycheck. He swore up and down that was all he took. Then, after their recent court appearance, Jon admits to taking $155,000. He lied right there on camera about the amount of money he took. That is just one of the many examples.

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Yes, Jon has told some lies, just as Kate has but this is not an example. When Jon said that he only took out $22,500 he was refering to the previous week (Kate had accused him of just emptying out the account.) He did admit later to takling out $155,000 but that was over the course of a few months. Two different things, so one does not contridict the other.

Just setting the record straight.

Two kids.. said...

ShangraLady said...
Why would anyone want to know where Kate got her boobs done? And you don't have to pay to keep medical people quiet. They are required by law to keep quiet.

I could care less about Kate's boobs.

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Medical people are required to keep quiet but not the "p people". Just surprised that the details haven't been unearthed. You might not be concerned but some of us just would like to know.

Pamela Jaye said...

She said very clearly that it was their LIQUID $. She did not state that it was the only money they had

she said she couldn't afford to feed her children (or pay her bills)
Perhaps it's time to liquidate some more of your money, then, Kate.

and she implied, to those who weren't thinking about it enough, that it was all she had - only $1000!
Granted, being left with only $1100 myself (after the ex took what he thought was half) was a scary thing (since I lived away from public transit with no car and hadn't worked in 8 years) when the (extremely cheap) rent was $585 a month, and if I hadn't bought a PC while married, I'd have never touched one in my life. (my last job had included dumb terminals and writing on paper forms).

Kelly34 said...

"Obviously, the Vanity Fair writer and the TLC PR were in cohoots to try to seem like it was an unbiased article, but they are so very obviously pro-Kate."

If you thought that article was pro-Kate, then you didn't really read the article. That article was really good at showing what's really going on with the Gosselins.

And do some of you really think that TLC told Kate to wreck her marriage? Jon and Kate would have been a trainwreck even if they'd never met TLC. The difference is that everyone else wouldn't be watching.

It seems pretty apparent that both Jon and Kate are playing it up for the cameras. I feel so sorry for the kids, who are mostly being raised by nannies regardless of whose custody day it is.

And I totally believe that Jon slept with at least some of the women accusing him. Maybe not all, but definitely some. His expressions lately remind me of Bill Clinton during the Monica era.

If Jon and Kate really hated the paps and the exposure, they wouldn't be doing constant interviews and shopping around for other television shows. They would be pleading to have their regular IT/nursing jobs back. They're both famewhores.

Suzi said...

Frannie said...

Obviously, the Vanity Fair writer and the TLC PR were in cohoots to try to seem like it was an unbiased article, but they are so very obviously pro-Kate.

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Oh my gosh - you should go back and re-read the article. They made Kate out to be a major bitch. I mean, excuse my language, but that is really the only way to describe the portrait they paint.

First, they point out that she spent the morning crying it up for the cameras, but is then annoyed and pouty because her publicist tells her she cannot go out to Nobu for sushi. This author also reveals that the FAO Schwartz shopping is mostly for publicity. And the whole thing about her getting offended about the author's comment about the paps? My favorite part is the quote from Kate on easy it is for her to host television shows. LOL! The author obviously knows she received many negative reviews for her efforts and was eventually not hired for the Paula Deen slot, so that just makes her look even more ridiculous.

So us GWoPpers got called insane...it seems a small price to pay for some unbiased media coverage...

Sasha222 said...

Frannie-
Actually it is funny. Just because the article didn't have two pages full of "The GWOP is the greatest blog in the world" doesn't mean they were pro-kate. It took shots at both Kate and Jon, but for once an article didn't exaggerate the whole "Kate is a super mom, poor her" bullsh!t like other media outlets. There were many little jabs, especially the one where they tell her someone's comment about how "she is the hottest issue at the moment" and Kate says "at the moment?" implying her self righteous belief that she is going to be popular and great forever. Same with the part where she demanded to go get sushi right after declaring she was "so poor" on the Today show. Vanity Fair isn't the typical gossip rag, and although it's centered around fashion a lot of the time, they have had many articles exposing many different topics. If anything, the posters here should be greateful GWOP was mentioned. Whether it was for it's outrageous comments or not, it will bring more attention from people who have never heard of it before, thus in turn those people will read through the many posts on here and learn some things about the truths about Kate. So lighten up.

forwhatitsworth said...

It takes two to tango and that Stephanie Santarro isn't without guilt if Jon did bone her.
She's a grown woman she could have refused him hot tub pleasure especially knowing that he was a married man. She has no scruples and certainly no work ethics.
Wait! I bet Kate and TLC will have old Steph telling Radaronline that Jon practically raped her so thats why she didn't refuse him.

I agree and the same can be said with respect to Kate Major. No one held a gun to Kate Major's head and demand that she quit her job with Star magazine, that was CHOICE that SHE made. With respect to Kate Major; To be so RIDICULOUS and STUPID as to put such faith in a not yet divorced man attached to a shit load of emotional/marital/parental/legal baggage and be so quick to actually believe there was potential not only to further an 'intimate' relationship with JOn, but a monetary/business one as well.Well Kate Major thats what happens when you allow 'LUST' to be your guide in life. With regards to Stephanie Santarro, she gives new meaning to the word 'Jon' as she is the 'whore' to the big pimp TLC.

moi said...

That Vanity Fair article OUTS Kate for who she really is!

-Crying poor while asking to have sushi at Nobu?
-Dismissing a personal shoppers suggestions for gifts for her sons? (what mom needs a personal shopper to buy gifts for her own kids??)
-Stepping on a little kid's foot and practically blowing it off?

Kate, the Bitch, exposed. I love it.

Bad Shake said...

Go Away Gosselins! said..
...
For example, there are interviews of Jon saying he only took $22,500 from the bank account because that is his paycheck. He swore up and down that was all he took. Then, after their recent court appearance, Jon admits to taking $155,000. He lied right there on camera about the amount of money he took. That is just one of the many examples.
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That's not a very good example of Jon lying. That's just the spin "Team Kate" likes to put on it. Jon admitted that his last transaction was a withdrawal of $22 500. He also admitted that he took $175k as his pay check over the course of several months.(I don't have the exact quote from him but through his lawyer: http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79372/index.html ) This was his lawyers response to the accusations from Kate of leaving her with $1k.

The one thing I find ridiculous about this whole situation is that it wasn't one single withdrawal. It was almost a two month period withdrawals. Why didn't Kate speak up after this first $100k or the next $20k? Seems like someone let it go on until she was able to play the victim.

Just read the Vanity Fair article, every decision from where to shop to where to go eat dinner is a PR decision. Even when she spoke of the kids missing Jon and how it does effect the kids, she was cut off by her publicist.

I'm no fan of either of these two but it seems that Jon is getting unfairly portrayed in many situations. This "Team Jon" and "Team Kate" stuff is quite ridiculous. People on "Team Jon" seem to think everyone is paid off and everything is Kate's fault including the lawsuit from TLC.. Seriously? "Team Kate" loves to makes excuses for every mistake Kate makes and then subsequently insult Jon and Hailey's looks and personalities; when they have clearly never met these two or have any idea what an ugly person looks like.

People just need to stop believing everything they read. There's always three sides to every story. In this case Kate's/TLC's, Jon's and then the truth. Because one is the first(sometimes only) one you read doesn't mean its the truth.

LKG said...

This morning CNN had a segment about the Heeme family and the balloon incident and the allegation that Mr. Heeme fabricated the entire incident to help market his proposed reality show. CNN had invited two panelists, one was a former District Attorney and the other was a psychologist. The psychologist made a statement that when a parent uses their children to further the fame and fortune of the parent that the actions of the parent are child abuse. The former District Attorney agreed. It seems obvious to me that this psychologist could be featured in a segment on the Gosselin's and make the exact same statement and it would also be true.

livnluv said...

That's not a very good example of Jon lying. That's just the spin "Team Kate" likes to put on it. Jon admitted that his last transaction was a withdrawal of $22 500. He also admitted that he took $175k as his pay check over the course of several months.(I don't have the exact quote from him but through his lawyer: http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79372/index.html ) This was his lawyers response to the accusations from Kate of leaving her with $1k.

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Jon's words on ETonline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWSFhI7fQgk

Go Away Gosselins! said...

Yes, Jon has told some lies, just as Kate has but this is not an example. When Jon said that he only took out $22,500 he was refering to the previous week (Kate had accused him of just emptying out the account.) He did admit later to takling out $155,000 but that was over the course of a few months. Two different things, so one does not contridict the other.

and

That's not a very good example of Jon lying. That's just the spin "Team Kate" likes to put on it. Jon admitted that his last transaction was a withdrawal of $22 500. He also admitted that he took $175k as his pay check over the course of several months.(I don't have the exact quote from him but through his lawyer: http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79372/index.html ) This was his lawyers response to the accusations from Kate of leaving her with $1k.

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That was just the most recent thing I can think of when Jon does contradict himself. I agree that he said he took the $155k over the course of a few months...but that wasn't admitted until after the court date. Before, he said he had just taken $22,500 and he made it seem like that was all he had taken after Kate had said he cleared the bank account out. Then he goes and does another interview in a "by the way..." attitude saying he had taken the money over the course of a few months. Maybe it isn't lying per say, maybe it is saying what you need to say in the moment to make yourself look good..even if it means holding back on some of the details.

HOWEVER, something isn't adding up at all and both Jon and Kate are causing it not not add up. It isn't just about Kate making up stories and Jon being the innocent victim who has done nothing wrong.

Bad Shake...I completely agree with you about the Team Jon and Team Kate stuff being ridiculous. You are so right about not believing everything you read and there are three sides to every story. I wish Jon and Kate would stop using the media to tell "their sides" because it is not only making them look like fools, it is also detrimental for the children.

livnluv said...

When and where did Jon lie? Not stories with a spin, just actual proven lies.

Laurie (not Goldberg) said...

The Vanity Fair article was not pro kate....it showed her in a very unflattering light for most of the article. Here is the begining. It is a must read and shows her for what she is (read the FAO Schwartz part!). Everything they do is based on PR.

‘Nobu, Nobu, I want Nobu!” Kate Gosselin wants to go to Nobu. She’s got a night away from her eight kids—also her co-stars on the hit reality series Jon & Kate Plus Eight—and a reporter is offering to take her out on the town. “I want sushi!” Kate says, leaning back in an armchair in her suite at the Essex House hotel overlooking Central Park, checking her BlackBerry, popping gum.

But Laurie Goldberg, vice president of communications at TLC, which airs Jon & Kate, doesn’t think Nobu’s such a great idea. Kate cried on the Today show this morning, answering questions about why she’s still wearing her wedding ring (“for them,” she said of her children, sniffling), and this afternoon she told People, “I am so emotionally spent” (from her husband’s behavior, which has included philandering with the daughter of the plastic surgeon who gave Kate her tummy tuck), and so it might not look good for her to be out enjoying herself at a hot spot.

livnluv said...

...And do some of you really think that TLC told Kate to wreck her marriage? Jon and Kate would have been a trainwreck even if they'd never met TLC. The difference is that everyone else wouldn't be watching...

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You know, Kate said this also, that the divorce would have happened with or without the show. Obviously no one knows how things might be if another path were taken, but I have to think the money and fame had a whole lot to do with the end of their marriage. The breaking point seemed to be when Kate wanted the show to go on and Jon wanted it to stop. Big, big, big difference of opinion and I think in the beginning, Kate thought she could put enough pressure on Jon that he would bow to her demands, just as he had in the past. Jon said this time, it's going to be my way.

torgoman said...

“Great Dad” Jon brought Michael Lohan over to his house and allowed his children to be photographed with him.

Jon did not "bring" Michael Lohan over to his house. Lohan showed up conveniently like a party crasher knowing full well the paps would take pictures. Of the dozens of pictures showing Jon hugging and playing with his kids over at sugarypop that day, which ones are published? The Lohan ones. It's a nice tactic to discredit Jon in the press.

Michael Lohan is a sleazy tick. An opportunist that's attached himself onto the Gosselin scandal to make publicity for himself. Everytime he can associate himself with Jon is more time he can get his name in the press and keep promoting that stupid reality show.

Kathleen said...

I'm not defending anyone, but ...

My younger daughter will wear her hair any way I put it up. But my 9-year-old has DEFINITE opinions, and down is cooler than up. So the fact that the tups always have their hair "done" and the twins don't probably has nothing at all to do with the quality of parenting they receive.

Im_in_PR said...

Jon and Kate would have been a trainwreck even if they'd never met TLC. The difference is that everyone else wouldn't be watching...

Two under-employed parents of 8 kids would have worked a whole lot harder at their relationship if the millions of dollars hadn't of been there to make single parenthood fiscally possible.

Vanity Fair said...

Wow...Nancy Jo didn't care for Kate one bit. Very negative article showing Kate's true colors.

Im_in_PR said...

So us GWoPpers got called insane...it seems a small price to pay for some unbiased media coverage...

I'll second that sentiment. And add that it was very brave for Vanity Fair to go up against the TLC dictated game plan of denigrating TLC's discarded dad, Jon, and whitewashing their paraffined product, Kate.

Hiya! said...

Hiya!

'Her phone rings. “Oh, it’s Kelly”—Ripa, of Live with Regis and Kelly—Kate says, holding up a French-manicured finger, signaling for us all to be silent. She’s going on the show tomorrow morning. She and Kelly gab. “Hiya!”'

This is my favorite part of the Vanity Fair article. It reads like a parody of a starlet.

Go Away Gosselins! said...

Jon's words on ETonline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWSFhI7fQgk

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I have a question...if all Jon has taken is $177,500 and he wasn't "allowed" to get paid for other interviews, how he is paying for his current lifestyle? How is he paying for the Manhattan apt., the two sports cars, the Vegas party, the trip to the Hamptons, lunches and dinners at fancy NY and L.A. restaurants, etc.?

I'm not saying this to be a smart alec or to seem like I am defending Kate (ewww...No way am I defending her!). I really do not understand.The expenses of his current lifestyle have to cost way more than $177,500.....so where do you think the money is coming from?

They both suck! said...

The Vanity Fair article exposes both of them to be major douche bags (sorry for the language). Kate comes across as a whiny, self-obsessed, ungracious, arrogant, selfish, dumb ass. (i.e. Nobu, FAO Schwartz)

Jon comes across as pathetic and equally moronic. (i.e. Sean Combs)

I am sorry it is flaterring to neither of them.

Midnight Serenade said...

"How is he paying for the Manhattan apt., the two sports cars, the Vegas party, the trip to the Hamptons, lunches and dinners at fancy NY and L.A. restaurants, etc.?"

Is (or was) TLC paying for the apartment? I would believe that many of the other things are gratis...from friends, sponsors, etc. He is getting paid for various appearances, and not just pennies on the dollar.

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