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Anonymous said...

I have to wonder, why is kate getting a free pass and the press is persecuting Jon? People are just taking what she says as gospel. Even Nancy Grace...she went hard on Jon but when a caller asked about kate she was cut off and the subject changed. Maybe Kate sold her soul to the devil because people seem to be hypnotized by her.

They Need Family said...

It would have been nice if Jon's mom, grandma, even Jodi and her kids, could have come to the house for the twins' party. Kate would have hated it, but if they are going to spend every holiday together as they claimed, eventually other family members should get to share time with the kids if their father chooses. Kate's party was probably as lonely as all the other ones she has given the twins recently. She had no other people involved and probably wants to keep it that way forever.

No more TLC paychecks said...

I have a feeling that without TLC, Kate will have no need to stay in that house. No more paychecks for TLC, and far too much land and building to care for, not to mention the high overhead with just the upkeep on that size of a house. They need to downsize and start over. Because now Kate has no bragging left to do. The 'mine all mine' nonsense is over. Time to go out to work.

Kate's turn said...

Nancy Grace finally admitted last night that Kate does need a mental evaluation.

Pamela Jaye said...

She did?
Sorry to have missed that one.

Lisa said...

The Soup just had quite a bit of Jon and Kate clips tonight. He showed a couple from the organizing the basement episode. He poked fun at how ungrateful Kate was with the lady helping her. Then he showed the clip at the end of the episode where she was doing her whole martyr routine about how no one helps her keep things organized and you could hear the kids blood curdling screams in the background. She didn't even flinch and just kept on talking. I would have been up those stairs in a heartbeat seeing what was going on with my children. Of course.....I actually parent my kids and don't rely on hired help to do that for me.

Whoever is doing it does not seem to be doing a very good job. Those kids behavior is terrible. They are constantly fighting and screaming. I feel really badly for them because I do not think they are being taught any better. Their parents are way too self absorbed to care that those babies are crying out for some love and attention. They are too busy trying to throw each other under the bus. I like to think that Jon is sincere in what he's doing regarding the kids right now. I guess only time will tell.

Taryn said...

I think Kate would be grilled as hard as Jon if she admitted she might have made a "mistake" or two as far as philandering around while still married to him. US Weekly and some of the others had some pretty damning evidence against Jon. If Kate did cheat, and it wouldn't surprise me, she managed to do it very stealthily.

And if while in the process of divorcing, she was out and about with a different guy every week and Jon was staying home, I think it'd be a different story.

People with brains know Kate is just as bad as Jon. She's just more controlled and able to manipulate better than he can. They're both equal idiots though.

Jenny said...

I just think people love to hate Kate. I hope she remember the golden rule about media...They build you to bring you down.

Elsie said...

Interesting article, link has more good points:

“In celebrity divorce cases, as in regular divorce, we are still conditioned to view the man as holding all the cards. If the woman behaves in a reckless, crazy manner—think Denise Richards, Christie Brinkley, or Tricia Walsh of You Tube rant fame—we assume it’s to make up for her frustration and helplessness. But in this case the gender stereotypes are blinding us to the obvious reality. In this miserable duo, Jon is what divorce attorneys would call the ‘out’ spouse—the one with no money or power who might end up on the street. And like many out spouses, he is looking out for the interests of the kids. For those reasons he is actually the one who deserves our sympathy.”

http://www.doublex.com/section/arts/kate-gosselin-does-not-deserve-our-pity#

my9cats said...

Can you imagine going to a wedding and discovering the kids are guests? Shudder....

Ohio Buckeye said...

Lisa said...re: K8 complaining 'no one helps her keep things organized'.
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Goodgod. She has made this same complaint every step of the way, "no one helps me". Her life included a husband who was her man servant, a crew of god knows how many, yet she still feels 'no one helps her'.

She seems to feel everyone is always out to get her. No one ever helps her. She seems to believe she deserves special treatment at all times. She seems to believe she is superior to those around her.

Students, please open your books and turn to the chapter on "delusional paranoia and grandeur"........

dmsr said...

Basing an opinion solely on the tabloids I'd probably side with Kate also. But, having actually watched their show for years provides invaluable background into how J&K arrived in divorce court. I saw Kate at her absolute worst during the years prior to the tabloid frenzy. I've seen Jon at his worst in the year/months since the tabloid frenzy began. I clearly see that Jon has been an extremely unmotivated slacker but he spent years being a decent father and a reasonably good husband to a woman whose behavior most men wouldn't tolerate for 5 minutes. Kate has recently spent her time polishing her image and working hard to erase what we all witnessed onscreen but my memory of her shortcomings hasn't faded. Jon should have clips of the ToysRUs epi, the WDW ice cream epi, the flight to Utah epi, etc shown each and every time he makes a talk show appearance so the general population can see how Kate behaved in front of cameras prior to her massive public image overhaul. I wouldn't choose to spend time with Jon OR Kate but based on their pre-divorce behavior, which I hopefully assume showed their true colors, Jon would win hands down over Kate.

finalbow said...

IMO, Kate did NOT fight JON tooth and nail on his decision to cease production of the show because, JOn had one more trump card in his pocket to use publicly against Kate.

rosmarinaus said...

Here's a post about the Gosselins from doublex, the women's blog run by slate.com. Very pro-Jon, while still recognizing what a doofus he can be.

http://www.doublex.com/section/arts/kate-gosselin-does-not-deserve-our-pity?page=0,1

Aunty Kim KIm said...

I keep hearing about how the girls were in tears during the evening/morning of their birthday..

NOW , I was out all day yesterday, (Friday), so can anyone PLEASE tell me what happened?

WHY were these poor girls in such distress during a birthday? Such a shame to NOT have parents come together, and put their anger aside, for ONE NIGHT, for the sake of their children!
PLEASE , if anyone knows what happened, could you post it,
THANKYOU!

ALSO, with TLC removing all of the equipment from the home, I wonder if all the freebies are NOW GONE TOO? Like the housekeepers,lawn care, food from craftservices, laundry with the free cleaners and drycleaning, pool/lawn maintainence, ??Nannies??body guards??...and all the other freebies.

I wonder, will jon move from NY since tlc WAS paying the rent for that place! I wonder where he'll move too,,,hopefully close to the children!!

Lastly, for now, I hope and pray these children ALL get counselling ASAP!! And that someone with brains allowed the children to at least have some time with the tlc staff to say goodbye.......

GOD BLESS and HELP THESE CHILDREN! With all the prayers going up on behalf of these children, you'd think things would move quicker,,,but all in GOD"S timing....not ours.....unfortunately!

Have a good day all!!

No Drama Mama said...

I dreamed that Jon's lawyer didn't show up on Tuesday.

The Gosselins have now invaded my dreams!!!!!!

gosselinoverload said...

What is up with Jon picking up a cake with Mady's (Maddy's) name spelled wrong and not saying anything about it?????????????

nanasez said...

What is up with Jon picking up a cake with Mady's (Maddy's) name spelled wrong and not saying anything about it?????????????
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He didn't order the cake, didn't pay for the cake, and I doubt he took it to PA with him. It's probably in his NYC apartment, what he and Hailey haven't yet eaten of it. It was nothing but a prop ET provided without Jon knowing about it.

SuzieO said...

gosselinoverload said...

What is up with Jon picking up a cake with Mady's (Maddy's) name spelled wrong and not saying anything about it?????????????
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Jon sold exclusive rights to the girls birthday to Entertainment Tonight and they (ET) bought the girls cake and spelled the name wrong.

If this is true, and it looks like it is, then how can Jon say that he cares about his kids privacy and wants them to have a normal life?

The shows speak for themselves said...

dmsr..its so funny that you mentioned those 3 shows for Jon to run while he's on talk shows. The talk show Entertainment (I think, that he was on last week), they showed those specific 3 episodes. The plane ride to Utah with Kate freaking out crying "I'm dying", the "Helloooooo" one in the Crayola Factory, the "Helloooo" one in Toys R Us, and the ice cream one. I think Jon's agent knows EXACTLY what to show the world of what he had to put up with from Kate and how really unbalanced she is.

She knows said...

I keep saying that Jon has his last card over the agreement that Kate made him sign last year, that he could live his own life and do what he wanted, as long as he showed up for filming.
THAT is why she is laying low about the show ending. She KNOWS.
He hasn't used it, but he CAN.

Glenda said...

I think it is sad that Kate is concerned with her image NOW when she never was before. All of sudden people are looking at you and you want to be the nice parent? Calm and collected when all those years we know what you are really like? Please I'm with Nancy Grace these are the two most self asorbed people on the planet. I applaud Jon ONLY because he isn't afraid to go on TV and be asked tough questions. Where Kate is all about her PR and what she looks like. I hope they go away SOON!

MomofFour said...

So Kate is suing Jon for child and spousal support. Can you imagine anything more ridiculous in your life? She is probably the ugliest person I've seen on TV, inside and out. Here's what Jon should do...I don't think money is even remotely as important to Jon as it is to Kate. I think he should drag her through court in the mud and drain her bank account paying lawyer fees. She's the one who has hidden all the money. Now she's spending it on lawyers to get back at Jon. Guess what, Kate? Your kids will HATE YOU for destroying their father. There is nothing more distressing to a child than seeing their parents hurt eachother. You can try to brainwash your kids all day long. They will still blame you. YOU broke up with Jon. YOU made him live a lie and continue the show. YOU filed for divorce. YOU hid the money and manipulated and controlled Jon. YOU are the one trying to cut him out of the kids lives. THEY will not forgive you for that.

And if you don't believe it just watch and see what happens.

It's amazing to me how a family who seemingly had everything going for them has self-destructed before our eyes. TLC should be real proud.

Philly Hockey Mom said...

I see where Kate wants alimony and child support from Jon.

First off, Kate works. She's on talk shows, book signing and other speaking engagements. Jon is not. So, I doubt she'll get that.

Secondly, remember the Utah trip? Jon made referance to "imagine the child support" at that time so I guess they were having issues then! They seemto share custody so Jon may ge off the hook there as well.

It just never ends!

Truth or Rumor said...

I am still waiting for information regarding Kate's supposed hit and run that one poster referred to a few weeks ago. Another commenter even called it a DUI. This is a very serious allegation and I'd like real information/links/facts regarding it, please. It's really not a good rumor to be spreading if it isn't true.

Also, does anyone really believe Jon ever worked for Bob, Beth's husband, "from home"? Or was it a cover-up so that it looked like he was still working to support his "financially struggling" family even though they were set from the show's salary?

anotherthing... said...

ALSO, with TLC removing all of the equipment from the home, I wonder if all the freebies are NOW GONE TOO? Like the housekeepers,lawn care, food from craftservices, laundry with the free cleaners and drycleaning, pool/lawn maintainence, ??Nannies??body guards??...and all the other freebies.
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yeah... id say: no filming = no pay/perks
why would TLC continue to pay them per epi in the form of cash and perks if there is no episode being made???

my guess... those perks are GONE. and kate is gonna be lost without them. and broke. because she will try to maitain what shes been living... and she cant.

We'll Know Someday said...

anotherthing... said...
ALSO, with TLC removing all of the equipment from the home, I wonder if all the freebies are NOW GONE TOO? Like the housekeepers,lawn care, food from craftservices, laundry with the free cleaners and drycleaning, pool/lawn maintainence, ??Nannies??body guards??...and all the other freebies.
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yeah... id say: no filming = no pay/perks
why would TLC continue to pay them per epi in the form of cash and perks if there is no episode being made???

my guess... those perks are GONE. and kate is gonna be lost without them. and broke. because she will try to maitain what shes been living... and she cant.
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Jon keeps saying he knows Kate better than anybody. I'd say he knocked her a good one...he's gotten her where it hurts. I want to believe he did it for the kids, to get them off TV, but maybe he got a win-win (gotcha Kate) out of it. Chances are with the ratings nosedive, it was coming anyway. Maybe TLC got a graceful exit out of the deal.

TotallyAgree said...

OverwithKON~~ said...(in regards to the home makeover)
No matter what~~~ If someone gives you something out of the kindness of their heart, like that home makeover. You be nice, and you say THANK YOU! No excuse. NONE! It is not in my taste and I would not have been thrilled, but there was alot of nice work that was done too. Just be nice, I cannot at all understand how anyone can act like that. She is crazy, I guess that explains it all.

Oh and the Jay Leno thing~~~~~ Totally disturbing. Gross. Oh and the only thing funny in it to me is the fact that she is saying all this scripted stuff that a real mom would say, but I have never heard her say those things in any real situation. She is not a mom, and that is probably the best thing for those kids, her NOT taking care of them.
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I totally agree with you! She is sick and demented.

All dried up said...

Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.

dmsr said...

Perhaps having all the perks gone is in the best interest of the children. After all, Kate believes that God will provide for them. Let Jon and Kate equally provide for their children without support from their unrealistic celebrity status and free the children from what must be an unbelievably constrained childhood. It would probably do them all a world of good to get back to basics ~ family, faith, fun, friendship and completely forget that their lives were held hostage by TLC and papparazzi wielding cameras for roughly 5 years. Let them renew relationships with 'regular' folks and play in public schools, church groups and neighborhood parks ~ anything has to be better than the lives they're living in their crooked mansion. Hopefully, J&Ks fame is fleeting and they'll quickly fade into obscurity ~ after all, they've really done nothing exceptional and have been only been glorified in the press because they're willing (and extremely able) to make themselves into fools in public with one bad decision after another. They electively decided to bring into this world EIGHT children that they could not afford and they have depended on the generosity of the public (and taxpayers) to keep them financially afloat ~ guess what J&K? ~ game is over, jig is up and hope you've squirelled away enough Juicy Juice and Tide to get you by for a few years.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Jon sold exclusive rights to the girls birthday to Entertainment Tonight and they (ET) bought the girls cake and spelled the name wrong.

If this is true, and it looks like it is, then how can Jon say that he cares about his kids privacy and wants them to have a normal life?'

It's not true. Nobody filmed a birthday party. Cameras showed the outside of the house in a live feed. That's it. Nothing more.

lukebandit said...

jon said he put the little kids to bed then mady and cara and then he left to check into a hotel. he said it stank that he could not stay overnight. well, if kate would of taken the high road that she is famous for, she would allowed jon to stay in the garage apt. and then jon could of gotten up and fixed the kids breakfast and then could of taken them to school and dropped them off at the bus stop on the way back to NYC.
Now a word from our sponsor: Folger's...lol
but first, jon would of had to make kate's coffee just right and take it to the princess in her dead-bolted lair.
jon: kate, one block or two?
kate: helllllooooooo jon YOU KNOW THE PROCEDURE!
jon: steve, one block or two?

remember the tea party show where kate didn't know that sugar in a sugar bowl was sugar cubes? i wonder if steve was there and managed to convince kate to let jon stay, and i wonder if he convienced her because he was there.

i am so worried about the kids riding in the car with kate, how dangerous is that when you are crying and driving and irrational. no wonder the kids all of them, out of control.

if i ever saw my babysitter manhandle my kids like jamie did, her arm would need a cast.

she was hugging the girls and manhandling the boys. i wonder if kate told her too.
also, i can't believe that kate went to CA to film the Mi'd like to F on Jay Leno! as bad as a shambles her family is in, she decides to do this.

i wonder what that other ace is that jon has up his sleeve.

MickeyMcKean said...

Truth or Rumor said...
I am still waiting for information regarding Kate's supposed hit and run that one poster referred to a few weeks ago. Another commenter even called it a DUI. This is a very serious allegation and I'd like real information/links/facts regarding it, please. It's really not a good rumor to be spreading if it isn't true.

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Most courts these days have online access. Some it is just the basic stuff like name of parties, etc. and the type of case, and other sites have more information accessible via Internet.

I do believe that Kate had an accident and if it was a DUI, there would be a criminal case filed against her. So if you want to dig deeper yourself, locate the court's website online and do a search for "gosselin". Any and all cases will be there and if you want more details and are local, you can go to the court and see the file.

JaxMom said...

My big fear is how Kate will react towards the children without the camera crew there. She was horrible enough with them there, can you imagine if she's not checking herself?

I foresee horrible rage episodes blaming the kids for her downfall. Sadly, I think the boys and twins will take the brunt of it.

Ohio Buckeye said...

dmsr mentioned epis of K8's worst behaviors.

I'd like to agree and and a few:

ToysRUs ("Joooon! Standing there playing instead of doing his job - hmmmph!",

ice cream ( a completely over the top dramatic announcement from K8: "she's ruined! Nobody helps me. Jon just stands there and pretends not to know me. Jon just mocks me").

Utah plane ride (Can DoK8 crying like a toddler instead of setting an example of calm behavior for her kids).

The trip to the park where she refused to let the little boys roll down a small slope because SHE doesn't like grass stains. Those poor little guys were trying to PRETEND to roll down the hillside without allowing their bottoms to touch the ground so as not to incur the wrath of K8 - ridiculous. and mean - Theme song ought to be K8's singing "Everything is always about me"

Another trip to the park when Jon suggested sitting at a picnic table, but K8 immediately said 'no' to that one, stating something about 'the kids can't reach'. so K8 insisted Jon (who did all the work as far as I could ever tell) schlepped all the picnic supplies, laid the blanket down in the grass, got everything ready for the grand picnic and THEN Queen K8 decided they should really sit at a table afterall, and demanded Jon to move everything again. (Amazingly, he did it. Think I'd have told her to move it her durned self. But that's just me.)

The Crayola factory, when Queen of Class BELLOWED yet again across a crowded room to demand Jon's help with bathroom duty. The woman has no idea how to behave - NO CLASS WHATSOVER, and I don't care how they dress her, she will always come across as tacky and uncouth. The worst part, though, was K8's usual dismiss of her own obnoxious behavior with her excuse that she shouted 'merely to get some help with the kids'.

The epi when Jon dutifully stood in the dining area, patiently awaiting The Queen to hand him prepared plates for the kids. A 'thanks, honey' or 'nice job, Jon'? Not from K8ie. No, she said to the camera crew that SHE would like to get a job where SHE could just stand around with arms crossed - again, POOR K8 - nobody EVER helps her and she has to do it all. By herself.

Those few epis paint a fairly full picture of this 'mother of the year' role model TLC has been pitching to us over the last several yrs.

Eileen O'Neill needs to be fired. She has managed to insult our entire gender with her depiction of K8 as a great mom.

K8 needs a psych eval.

End of rant.

fidosmommy said...

Also, does anyone really believe Jon ever worked for Bob, Beth's husband, "from home"? Or was it a cover-up so that it looked like he was still working to support his "financially struggling" family even though they were set from the show's salary?

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I remember Jon saying he was working for Bob. It was during a couch interview a couple of seasons ago. He said it was so he could stay home and help Kate with the kids more.

But we never saw him working at a job, did we? We saw him on the computer doing e-mails (deleting the negative ones) and following his insurance agent's advice to look at the Nationwide motorcycle
website (!) and that's about it.
The rest of the time I saw him playing with his kids, pottying his kids, taking orders from Kate to hurry up and put something together for the kids, plopping paper plates in front of the kids.
Bob must have had a few grand to toss away, hiring a guy for IT work who only did household and childcare chores.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Don't really care about J or K, but just on principle: Why, if a house is jointly owned, should one parent always have to stay in the over-the-garage space while the other parent always gets the master bedroom. Just sayin'...

redskiesatnight said...

Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.

J & K. May I be the first to introduce you to REALITY.

pinkdiamond611 said...

So if TLC pulled all the perks, this includes body guard also. So how is life without your paid friend Steve, Khate??? I am sure she could manage to throw some crackers, grapes and cheese on a plate for the kids for a meal, but no paid companion? She is definitely melting down for this one.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.'

So what grandiose thing will Miss Eileen move on to next now that's is apparent the "Kate Plus Eight" is on hold?
I don't understand something. Why would TLC be paying for housekeeprs, pool boys, landcapers, etc., if most of the shows were filmed on trips? Did they pay for landscaping just so the outside shots would look nice, as in the setting for the Crooked Houses? Was this gardenings, etc., done on a weekly basis just for what they claim is only a few hours of filming a week? That's a nice size piece of property to maintain. Did they pay for mowing all of that? Did they pay a housekeeper to clean the bedrooms when nothing is shot in the bedrooms? Same goes for the dry cleaning (isn't all of the children's clothing machine washable?).
I don't understand!

Treacherous said...

Hey, I've found out just how insidious TLC's minions are.

Was referring a Kate-defender friend of mine to the "Ugliest Moments" youtube videos. I discovered that the videos have been taken down due to "violation of terms of use."

Now, I remember well that the description by the poster specifically said, "Not a Kate hater," probably to defend himself against being taken down.

Absolutely everything on those videos were actual clips from the shows.

When you think of all the junk on youtube, it is ridiculous to have those videos taken down.

Treacherous PR.

So I referred her to DrCoolSex, which is the next best thing. Glad he hasn't been hit with a "violation."

fidosmommy said...

I don't understand something. Why would TLC be paying for housekeeprs, pool boys, landcapers, etc., if most of the shows were filmed on trips? Did they pay for landscaping just so the outside shots would look nice, as in the setting for the Crooked Houses? Was this gardenings, etc., done on a weekly basis just for what they claim is only a few hours of filming a week? That's a nice size piece of property to maintain. Did they pay for mowing all of that? Did they pay a housekeeper to clean the bedrooms when nothing is shot in the bedrooms? Same goes for the dry cleaning (isn't all of the children's clothing machine washable?).
I don't understand!

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Great questions! I wish I had some answers, but I do have speculations. I feel certain that you are correct about having a gardener for the areas the TLC
crew will be filming. Maybe THAT'S
why all we see are the driveway shots - that's the only part of the property that is always camera ready?!? I imagine TLC does not pay for trimming the bushes along the back 40 or pruning the apple trees. It is my guess that they only pay for the things that will
somehow impact the filming of the show. We want driveway shots - Staff, trim the bushes and clean up the grass around the driveway! We want kitchen shots - Staff, clean the kitchen! We want
front hall shots - Staff, make sure the windows don't have any streaks! So, if they are no longer filming in or around the house, these people will not be needed any longer.

Ditto the kitchen staff. If they are not on site at the house, they don't need to be cooking at the house. Or dragging in salads for Kate. They will eat wherever they are filming, and will probably include a visit to some neat bistro
or coffee shop in the episode. Why, Kate may even pack a picnic lunch, except it will probably only be for her own children, since feeding a crew would overwhelm her and she doesn't eat.

Bodyguard? Hmmmm. If they are still filming, she may negotiate for one since it seems so important to her to have one.

Limos? Sure, to get to their location shots. Why they can't go in regular cars is beyond me, but then I'm not producing a show.

Dry cleaning and laundry? If the clothes were donated through TLC, and the children are expected to wear them for the program, then the
cost of getting them cleaned and ironed to be show-ready may be considered TLC expense - and would include having a person or company do the laundry, at least those particular clothing items. If the kids wear the T shirts and jeans Kate picked up at a yard sale one day (ha) those might not have paid
staff to sanitize to Kate's specs.

livnluv said...

JaxMom said...
My big fear is how Kate will react towards the children without the camera crew there. She was horrible enough with them there, can you imagine if she's not checking herself?

I foresee horrible rage episodes blaming the kids for her downfall. Sadly, I think the boys and twins will take the brunt of it.
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Absolutely my concern too. I'm hoping Kate will be lazy enough to spend a little money and keep a babysitter there much of the time. Or better yet, convince her new BFF to help her out (i.e.,take care of everything).

Where is the justice, Nancy? said...

Nancy Grace is just doing TLC and Discovery Channel a favor so they will help her in the future. She might need to get a job over there if her current show gets dropped.

Nancy Grace is a savvy business woman, she will never burn bridges for anybody. She is sucking up to Kate, TLC and Discovery.

OverwithKON~~ said...

All dried up said...
Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.
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YYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Altho I do worry about the kids, they will be to blame, by Khate only. Reality bites HARD!

It's Just You, Kate said...

Midnight Serenade said...
Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers, pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. It's like they were never there. No show..no perks and no salary. Done. So what grandiose thing will Miss Eileen move on to next now that it's apparent the "Kate Plus Eight" is on hold?
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Wow...when what you've said can come back to haunt you, Kate...I remember, maybe from Kate's book or an early, early episode how she was saying...maybe even with Jon agreeing...that when they were trying to feed and care for six infants plus the twins, Kate was weary of so many helpers in the house; all the great volunteers who were donating their time in shifts and apparently even bringing items in out of their own pockets, like wipes and paper towels from Kate's Oh-So-Subtle "Wish List" that she had posted on a bathroom mirror or something. Kate wanted everybody out of her house and was relieved when it was just "us" again. I'm sure it was chaotic, but I also thought it sounded so ungrateful. Little did I know, the lack of gratitude would be a continuing them in future episodes and seasons of Jon & Kate Plus 8. Was so off-putting to me.

And fast forward from that long-ago plea of hers to empty the house of helpers...my, my, how things changed. She sure got accustomed to being in a house where it's more than just "us." She sure hasn't minded the paid help over the past year of the McMansion and what it takes for upkeep! How's she gonna replace the allegedly TLC-hired help? She must be really banking on her future marketability, sans kids. I'd say she needs a reality check. The reality show would be a good indicator, with its plummeting ratings. Her poor performance on The View would be another. She's either getting bad advice or is not her own best friend.

livnluv said...

I think I'm getting a bit confused here. It's my understanding that TLC has suspended filming the children period, no matter where they are. But since they had established equipment in the home they decided to remove it. I also thought they were going to continue to film Kate only episodes FOR NOW. If their contract states that either Jon or Kate can stop the filming (as even Kate admitted), I don't know what TLC can do to change that.

Of course, a PR war to throw Jon under the bus with Kate's help might get him declared an unfit parent. Hmmm....lots of negative press out there for Jon. I don't think it could happen, but never say never. And really, monetarily is it worth it to TLC. If all of a sudden the tide turns and the press backs off I guess we'll have our answer as to how much TLC was manipulating the outcome. I still blame them for a whole lot of this because they knew exactly what they were doing. Eileen O'Neill, I hope you sleep good tonight knowing you've helped destroy a family.

livnluv said...

Where is the justice, Nancy? said...
Nancy Grace is just doing TLC and Discovery Channel a favor so they will help her in the future. She might need to get a job over there if her current show gets dropped.

Nancy Grace is a savvy business woman, she will never burn bridges for anybody. She is sucking up to Kate, TLC and Discovery.
------------------------------------

yes, probably so. Is there such a term as "corporate incest"? It's what always pops into my mind when I hear of something like this.

go away gosselins said...

To sway public and family support behind him, Jon MUST produce the supposed "agreement" Kate had him sign in October. Or TLC had him sign. Jon CAN demand a copy via his lawyer....and he should.

This would truly show Kate for what and who she is. It is the truth. Truth always wins the day.

Jon, produce the truth.

organizedblogroll said...

This may have been mentioned, but apparently, this is the #1 selling
halloween costume (any surprise here?)

http://www.buycostumes.com/Eight-Is-Too-Much-Adult-Wig/65620/ProductDetail.aspx?REF=KNC-google&gclid=CNPNzcfOs50CFdFL5Qodsho6hQ

Ohio Buckeye said...

A 50-60ish coworker, whom I don't know well, but get the impression has been through the situation of her long-time husband threatening to leave, is VERY verbally proK8.

It seems this coworker identifies with K8 as a potentially 'abandoned' wife, as she also mentioned two other famous women whose husbands left
them.

Sadly, I think there are too many women in this age group who, per the mores of their day, married young and devoted their entire self to their husband and now at this age, have a HUGE fear of being left either for a younger woman or just because the husband feels the marriage died long ago and wants to move on without her. It's heartbreaking to ponder.

So, I'm just wondering if this might be a component of those who, despite all they've seen about K8, continue to see K8 as the lesser of two evils.

Just a thought. Would love to learn others' views on this, as I'm at a total loss as far as understanding how ANYONE can sympathize with a person like K8.

jasmine said...

Interesting comments regarding what TLC was actually paying for. My interpretation was that although TLC paid them $25,000 per episode, that number is deceiving. The actual income from TLC and was higher because TLC was paying for so many of their personal expenses and all the freebies they received. Whatever TLC paid for was part of the operating budget for the show. J&K also had a corporation set up to run all their income and expenses through for taxes (at least what they reported). And then there is all the income from other sources, books, speaking engagements, clothing line, etc.

He said TLC paid it all said...

Jon said on ET that TLC paid for EVERYTHING, and he went on to name it ALL. I knew it but still I was surprised. Kate virtually paid for
nothing, NOTHING.

livnluv said...

go away gosselins said...
To sway public and family support behind him, Jon MUST produce the supposed "agreement" Kate had him sign in October. Or TLC had him sign. Jon CAN demand a copy via his lawyer....and he should.

This would truly show Kate for what and who she is. It is the truth. Truth always wins the day.

Jon, produce the truth.

-----------------------------------
I agree.

That, and the bank accounting of all the money. Follow the money. If you only took out $22,000 of the $230,000 that was withdrawn, the rest went somewhere. Find out where it went. The bottom line, one of you is not being truthful. If it's as you say it is, you can't protect Kate anymore. Your responsibility is to your children.

They ran out of Dodge said...

TLC received a Cease and Disist Order from the court, which is VERY serious. That means not one piece of film of the children, anywhere, period. They could be held in contempt and it would be very costly for TLC and to their future other shows, and they KNOW it. Thats why they high tailed it out of Wernersville, and packed up and got out of Dodge. Jon said NO, he is the father, and that's that.

Niki said...

Happy National Mental Health Day (no really!) to the Gosselins.

Sounds like the kids got a great present (no more filming!) that may benifit their mental health.

Fan Mail? said...

On Merideth V. I believe Kate mentioned all the WONDERFUL and SUPPORTIVE letters that she has gotten from fans, that keep her going, saying to hang in there, and that they were going through the same thing. Did TLC screen her mail and only give her the positive ones, because we all know the denial she's in and thinks the ENTIRE world is on her side and thinks she's the greatest.

readerlady said...

I'm surprised that noone has mentioned what, IMO, are the worst examples of Khate's behavior - "Cooking With the Twins", where Khate insists that Jon, who has just returned from the eye doctor with an ulcerated cornea (which is horrendously painful, I know from experience) take the twins to their cooking class, instead of asking another parent to give them a ride, or doing it herself and leaving Jon with the sick kids and then her dumping of Joel on the laundry room floor; insisting on continuing to shop for bunk beds when Collin is in such distress, in "Babies and Bedrooms"; and, of course, the infamous gumgate, in "Mady's Day", when she torments Collin by threatening to throw away his bear because it has a small spot of gum on it. Those three episodes demonstrate her complete inability to parent.

fidosmommy said...

Fan Mail? said...
On Merideth V. I believe Kate mentioned all the WONDERFUL and SUPPORTIVE letters that she has gotten from fans, that keep her going, saying to hang in there, and that they were going through the same thing. Did TLC screen her mail and only give her the positive ones, because we all know the denial she's in and thinks the ENTIRE world is on her side and thinks she's the greatest.


*****

Let's see....that would be Baby Mama and who else?

With all the work Kate has to do, becoming exhausted and all, do you think she's got time to sift through mail? I'm sure there's a paid peon for that who does what Jon used to do on the e-mails - delete the negative ones.

livnluv said...

Just a thought. Would love to learn others' views on this, as I'm at a total loss as far as understanding how ANYONE can sympathize with a person like K8.

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I was thinking about this this morning after reading so many sites singing the praises of Kate, the wonderful mom, blah, blah, blah.

It seems to be mostly women but of all ages, marital status etc. I decided it's a matter of; unless searching for the truth, people see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe. They just don't want to get out of the comfort zone of their own reality. That's my theory and probably totally wrong :)

PatK said...

Kate still had her security as of yesterday. I believe Mr. Black is shown in the pics of her taking the kids to school.

I wonder if TLC only pays for Kate's security for filming/traveling and Kate pays for it when she is at home? I thought Jon had said that was one of the things the $15k a month goes toward.

GoPoshGo said...

OverwithKON~~ said...
All dried up said...
Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
YYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Altho I do worry about the kids, they will be to blame, by Khate only. Reality bites HARD!

*********************

I hate to be a buzz-kill on the celebration of having all filming equipment removed from the Gosselin home. I understand everyone's exhuberance over the apparent liberation of the Gosselin 8 -- something we've all hoped for for a long time. Additionally, we're all in "agreeance" that Kate has received and abused WAY too many perks via TLC. That said, I'm not so sure how happy we should be that all of TLC's support has been summarily pulled out from under the Gosselin's feet. Yes, Kate does not deserve the diva treatment, but let's not forget that if TLC has cut off all the extras, they are putting the kids at risk. Imagine Kate without a: nanny; body guard; spa treatment; lawn care; pool care; house-cleaning; laundry service; organic chef; etc. etc. -- all in the span of a week. All this vanishes -- do you think Kate is going to step up to the plate and care for her kids?? My fear is that this loose cannon will unleash her wrath on those poor unsuspecting 8 victims.

I'm just saying, let's remember the kids as TLC withdraws its support of the family -- the Gosselin 8 are going to be the ones to pay the price.

Do you think TLC has considered this?? Oh, that's right, they don't have a soul.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Everyone must go to ET online and read the court documents. It looks like Kate is in some really big trouble. This is the best news we can read.

Aunty Kim Kim said...

I have one question and one thought.

My question: Why were the police called the night of the girls party? Was there a problem with Jon stayin?? I heard the girls were in tears..anyone know what happened?

Then, with tlc removing everything I'm wondering if the 8 children had any special toys or 'items' that really belonged to tlc, and were taken away.....I hope that there was some kindness, as I imagine all the camping gear, the bouncy castle-, etc, may have been taken..I could be wrong.....but I really hope anything of importance to the children wasn't taken....they've lost enough!

Lord, I hope this judge appoints a proper guardian and immediate counselling for all the children! Plus I hope nothing stops the set date for Tues....and that the judge can SEE THROUGH THE REAL KATE!!

Ohio Buckeye said...

LivNLuv: thanks for your perspective. I think you are onto something. I agree that most people tend to see what they want/need to see.

I have always been amazed how women (can't speak for the other gender on this one) tend to always blame, NOT their husbands for cheating and/or leaving, but INSTEAD put full blame on the other woman. AS IF the other woman held a gun to the guy's head and MADE him cheat/leave.

Another example of what you said, that people tend to see what they want to see to stay in their own comfort zone.

Anyway, good point.

ReaderLady, hello again from Cincy/Finneytown/College Hill (years ago) and yes, those epis were also great examples of the wonderfulness of K8 and her parenting skills. When did we EVER see her show ANY empathy for anyone, most especially her husband. I recall her telling him to 'keep his bleeding to a minimum' and being absolutely unsympathetic when removing his hair plug staples (AT THE DINING TABLE YET - blech. Ever-so-clean-&-classy-K8). Conversely, when Jon waited on her hand & foot after the tummy tuck, and all the attention was on HER, she claimed that time period 'was like a painful honeymoon'. Yeah, sure, because SHE was being pampered and coddled and cared for 24/7. Ugh. What a pathetic piece of human genetic debris (no offense to Mr. & Mrs. Kreider). HARDLY a maternal or wifely or even just HUMAN role model.

Im_in_PR said...

Jon, produce the truth.

Jon files counter claim against Kate for stealing from the marital estate.

NYMomof4 said...

readerlady said:
I'm surprised that noone has mentioned what, IMO, are the worst examples of Khate's behavior
*****
The moment that did it for me was when they first moved into the mansion and one of the boys was calling for help from the bathroom. At first, Kate couldn't even find him (!), and then when she found out he needed to be wiped, she tried to get Cara to clean him up, and when Cara refused, she called Jon in from the yard. What kind of mother won't clean up her own son after he uses the toilet?

livnluv said...

NYMomof4 said...
readerlady said:
I'm surprised that noone has mentioned what, IMO, are the worst examples of Khate's behavior
*****
The moment that did it for me was when they first moved into the mansion and one of the boys was calling for help from the bathroom. At first, Kate couldn't even find him (!), and then when she found out he needed to be wiped, she tried to get Cara to clean him up, and when Cara refused, she called Jon in from the yard. What kind of mother won't clean up her own son after he uses the toilet?
---------------------------------

There were so many horrible things she did to her family, but I think her whole personality was summed up in three words:

"Mine, all mine"

No answers said...

Aunty Kim KIm said...

I keep hearing about how the girls were in tears during the evening/morning of their birthday..


WHY were these poor girls in such distress during a birthday? Such a shame to NOT have parents come together, and put their anger aside, for ONE NIGHT, for the sake of their children!
PLEASE , if anyone knows what happened, could you post it,
THANKYOU!

ALSO, with TLC removing all of the equipment from the home, I wonder if all the freebies are NOW GONE TOO? Like the housekeepers,lawn care, food from craftservices, laundry with the free cleaners and drycleaning, pool/lawn maintainence, ??Nannies??body guards??...and all the other freebies.

I wonder, will jon move from NY since tlc WAS paying the rent for that place! I wonder where he'll move too,,,hopefully close to the children!!


10/10/2009 7:45 AM

Well I hadn't heard any credible source say that the girls were in tears. I heard Jon say the girls cried when he left cause they wanted him to spend the night. But he also said it was a nice birthday and he and Kate were being cordial for the kids' sake.

Second, I haven't seen any reports that TLC moved anything out. I'd love to have a link to this.

And third, I listened to Jon's interview on the street and I didn't hear him say anything about TLC paying rent on his apartment. He said TLC paid for nannies etc but that's it.

Im_in_PR said...

Why were the police called the night of the girls party?

Never heard that.

done said...

The shows speak for themselves said...

The plane ride to Utah with Kate freaking out crying "I'm dying",
10/10/2009 9:52 AM

Kate actually said *I'm done.* not *I'm dying.*

Hope for Jon said...

"Was referring a Kate-defender friend of mine to the "Ugliest Moments" youtube videos. I discovered that the videos have been taken down due to "violation of terms of use."

You can still get those clips, but you have to do it in a round about way. Here's a link to the "ugly moments" from season 2. From there, you can see on the right links to "ugly moments" from other seasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi2WyDs7l2U

Lauren said...

Ok, so Kate does not have nanny, housekeepers, chefs, and so on because TLC has pulled all the perks.
I guess that means Stevie-boy is out of a job. And what will the kids eat besides yogurt and grapes? And who will offer their babysitting services for free? We know Kate expects these things for free. Wonder who is going to show up to help her now that she has ran everyone else off? You know she's broke now and right back where she started!

What goes around, comes around!

Jen said...

Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.

J & K. May I be the first to introduce you to REALITY.

----------------

Oh Kate. Welcome to your personal hell.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

I find it interesting and amusing - that ETonline, The Insider - are reporting about JG's counter-suit again KG........but nothing on the infamous Radaronline?

What - no "exclusive" for them against KG/

Amy2 said...

You know she's broke now and right back where she started!
****************************

No she's not. She's in worse shape that when she started. Her friends and family have been kicked to the curb. And who in the community want's to help her now? She used and kicked these nice people out also. IMO for the first time since the children were born she has to do it alone. Isn't that what she told us she wanted?

PaMa said...

Either the freebies were gifted to the Gosselins and they (hopefully) claimed them on their income tax returns

OR

the freebies belong to TLC and, as such, were part of their production equipment; therefore, TLC was entitled to reclaim them when they removed their equipment from the house.

We can't have it both ways.

Golden Retriever said...

Get ready for more attacking Jon segments on TV and internet. All these people riding on the kids' coattails are out of job now. What do you think they will do during their unemployed free time? They will get online to attack Jon.

I bet silver fox Steve sits in front of his computer in his pajama now, he is typing fiercely about how bad Jon is.

Midnight Serenade said...

If we see her out and about in a limo, going to the spa, with a bodyguard, and since TLC allegedly pulled the perks, isn't that going to contradict her story that she is broke with no money to pay for the bills? How could she be paying for those things if he stole all of the money, and if TLC isn't footing the bill?

enoughalready said...

With all the hired help out of the picture, this is the time for the parents to step up to the plate and really take over their parenting dutes. Don't rely on otehrs to "teach" your kids. Teach them by action,and words on life without other people doing things fr you.
I can see Jon stepping up and doing this very nicely and even sucessfully. BUT K8 - errr hmmm oh dear. I dread what will happen in that house with her alone with them.

I can't wait for the poor kids to grow up and fend for themselves.

PaMa said...

I don't think we have to worry about Kate being alone with the children and without the free perks to which she is accustomed ... no way could she survive. As much as she probably hates to do it, she'll just have to dip into some of those hidden accounts she has and pay for the sitters, spa treatments, limos, etc. herself.

Helllloooo, Kate ... reality check.

enoughalready said...

If K8 needs money - she can always go back to her churches and ask for love offerings. (snigger!)I think she'll raise enough for her manicures.

Suzi said...

Ohio Buckeye said...

A 50-60ish coworker, whom I don't know well, but get the impression has been through the situation of her long-time husband threatening to leave, is VERY verbally proK8.

It seems this coworker identifies with K8 as a potentially 'abandoned' wife, as she also mentioned two other famous women whose husbands left
them.

Sadly, I think there are too many women in this age group who, per the mores of their day, married young and devoted their entire self to their husband and now at this age, have a HUGE fear of being left either for a younger woman or just because the husband feels the marriage died long ago and wants to move on without her. It's heartbreaking to ponder.

So, I'm just wondering if this might be a component of those who, despite all they've seen about K8, continue to see K8 as the lesser of two evils.

Just a thought. Would love to learn others' views on this, as I'm at a total loss as far as understanding how ANYONE can sympathize with a person like K8.

----------------------------------

You always post such interesting thoughts! I think you might have hit the nail on the head. Sadly, many of these women might really have done all the parenting to the children, housework, etc... and assume Kate has been, too.

What I don't understand is their williness to ignore Kate's disrespect/ungrateful actions toward her family and church and the fact that Kate has no friends or family left. Is this something they don't know?

TLC sucks said...

Did TLC rent that NY apartment for Jon on purpose to make him look bad? You know, dad lives far away from home.

I wouldn't be surprised TLC convinced Jon that his living in NYC is for the storyline - divorced dad trying to get a job in NYC.

Nothing But The Truth said...

Midnight Serenade said...
If we see her out and about in a limo, going to the spa, with a bodyguard, and since TLC allegedly pulled the perks, isn't that going to contradict her story that she is broke with no money to pay for the bills? How could she be paying for those things if he stole all of the money, and if TLC isn't footing the bill?
-----------------------------
Ha. Good observation. Watch and wait for the trip-up.

Suzi said...

Readerlady -

What a great idea - it will be interesting to see what was each of our breaking points.

Mine was the trip to Utah (I think that's the right location) and the plane ride when she had the meltdown and started crying and screaming "I'm done." I have never in my life seen a grown woman act like that. I understand the delayed flight situation, but there were at least 4 adults to help. But it never occurred to her to try to make it fun by singing songs or playing board games, UNO or anything like that.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

I just thought - remember back a while when the whole family went to NY for that photo shoot and there was that mob scene with the umbrellas and all?

Does anybody know what that was for? Magazine cover or anything?

Wonder if they did their annual Good Houskeeping family cover shoot? oops :)

Mary said...

"let's not forget that if TLC has cut off all the extras, they are putting the kids at risk. Imagine Kate without a: nanny; body guard; spa treatment; lawn care; pool care; house-cleaning; laundry service; organic chef..."
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The only thing that is putting the kids at risk is Kate.

BODYGUARD: The bodyguard only shows up for Kate, not for the kids. He travels with Kate. Her kids wait for the school bus in a parking lot without a bodyguard.

Nanny: I am sure the millions Kate hides from her family is more than enough to hire one nanny watching the kids. Most nannies work minimum wages or a little more than that. They are not expensive like bodyguards.

The kids are all grown. They can walk, run, and wipe their own butts. It really doesn't need an army to watch them. One nanny is enough.

LAUNDRY SERVICES: There's something called washer and dryer. Kate has really high end ones. No one washes clothes by hands. The kids are 9 and 5 years old. They don't vomit and poop in pants like babies. It's not that hard to do laundry. Just press the buttons.

I am sure the kids are old enough to fold their own laundry. It's better for them to fold their own clothes. They can learn to be organized and not lazy.

ORGANIC CHEF: Doesn't Kate "love" to cook? And she wants to have a cooking show as long as she can be on TV and it's her show?

LAWN CARE, POOL CARE, HOUSE CLEANING: That's Kate's fault for getting a house too big and expensive to maintain. Unless you are Bill Gate working his ass off to make billions, no one should live in a huge house that requires an army to maintain.

It's not normal for kids to have all these servants when their parents clearly don't work hard enough to earn it. If your dad is Bill Gate, you will learn something about hard work as well.

fidosmommy said...

I understand the delayed flight situation, but there were at least 4 adults to help. But it never occurred to her to try to make it fun by singing songs or playing board games, UNO or anything like that.

*****

That would presume that Ms. Organization had thought to pack
toys or games in case of delays.
If I recall correctly, the children were allowed to bring one
comfort item, such as a stuffed animal.

For all her claims to have her life organized, she sure doesn't think ahead much for things that could happen if you have 8 children on a long distance flight.
Delays are the norm, Kate. Bring something for the little ones. And bring yourself some Valium or something, OK?

what? said...

NYMomof4 said...
The moment that did it for me was when they first moved into the mansion and one of the boys was calling for help from the bathroom. At first, Kate couldn't even find him (!), and then when she found out he needed to be wiped, she tried to get Cara to clean him up, and when Cara refused, she called Jon in from the yard. What kind of mother won't clean up her own son after he uses the toilet?

10/10/2009 5:41 PM

I thought poor Kate never ever had any help. That's ludicrous. What kind of person does that? Do you know what episode it was on?

chillintheair said...

So if TLC pulled all the perks, this includes body guard also. So how is life without your paid friend Steve, Khate???

It will be interesting to see how the Kate/Steve 'relationship' plays out in the future. In addition to being Kate's paid 'booby gaurd' he is supposedly a very close friend and considers him 'like a brother'. If TLC has released Steve of his 'booby gaurd' services, I wonder how many 'pap' photos will appear in the future of the Kate/Steve/Gina trio socializing and just 'hanging out' together? Or, will Steve be thrown in to the abyss of other 'forgotten' loved ones and FINALLY return home to his wife and kids.

No Drama Mama said...

Kate tried to buy gas today but her TLC credit card was reportedly DENIED.

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/kate-gosselin-trouble-at-the-pump-212038/

TUNDRA said...

Jon Gosselin Files Court Document Answering Complaint and Making Counter Claim Against Kate Gosselin

Read Entire Court Document Filed Here

http://www.etonline.com/media/img/pdf_alert_graphic.jpg

From Entertainment Tonight

JON GOSSELIN FIRES BACK!

The Insider" breaks the news that Jon Gosselin has filed court papers in which he accuses his estranged wife Kate of making unauthorized money withdrawals.

The story follows:

Jon claims one of the reasons Kate filed an emergency petition last week was "to cover up the fact that she removed hundreds of thousands of dollars from the marital estate" prior to filing for divorce from him in June.

He also claims Kate violated the terms of their divorce arbitrator's awards by writing checks and/or withdrawing funds totaling more than $60,000 from one joint account between June 15 and September 15, and approximately $9,800 from a second account in mid-July.

Jon accuses Kate of not telling the whole truth to the court because she's failed to provide a proper accounting of the funds she withdrew. He admits that he removed "certain funds" from one of their accounts, but claims bank statements show that Kate took out "more than $100,000."

Jon also says that Kate isn't telling the truth when she claims there aren't any other liquid funds available to repay the marital estate. He claims Kate is in control of more than $1 million and accuses her of continuing to hide money.

Jon says the court should hold Kate in contempt of the two arbitration awards; require her to pay back into their account $7,500 for each month that she failed to deposit that amount; and be required to give a complete accounting of all the money she spent in the last 60 days.

"Jon seeks to hold Kate responsible for what he believes to be her contemptuous conduct," Jon's lawyer Mark Heller tells "The Insider." Heller claims Jon kept the information confidential over the last five days because he didn't want to "embarrass Kate with the allegations," hoping instead to resolve their divorce-related issues through private legal negotiations.

But he says Jon decided to go public with the papers because a legal representative for Kate, Mark Momjian, according to Heller, continued to speak out about their ongoing litigation. "Accordingly, in order for Jon's side to be known and the picture to be complete, we feel we have no choice but to release Jon's Answer and Counterclaim."

http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/10/79587/index.html

rachel said...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/kate-hires-her-best-friend-babysit-kids

Kate's "BEST FRIEND" babysits the kids. I'm guessing after Kate sees these pics, this "best friend" is toast... just like Beth!

Im_in_PR said...

So if TLC pulled all the perks, this includes body guard also. So how is life without your paid friend Steve, Khate???

I think I read in the arbitration document that the bodyguard was paid from the $7,500 Kate and Jon paid into the "working account."

Which made me think at the time, "That stinks. Jon is actually having to pay Steve to squire Kate all over the USA while he sits home with the kids"

Im_in_PR said...

It will be interesting to see how the Kate/Steve 'relationship' plays out in the future.

Sadly enough for Steve, he totally ruined any career he could of had as a security guy.

All those pictures of him toting Kates purse and makeup bag sort of sealed his fate.

SundayRose said...

NYMomof4 said, ...What kind of mother won't clean up her own son after he uses the toilet?"
________________________________
Kate has NEVER done that for her kids, especially for her "blech icky nasty boys". Jon did it all! So, it wasn't just that day as she made it out to be.

livnluv said...

I was searching through some older stories for this and that and I ran across the article with Stephanie Santoro in Intouch Weekly when she accused Jon of the affair, and at one point she said the following:

"I had met Jon and Kate a few years back at a twins convention when they had Cara and Mady [now 8]."

I was surprised with this statement because I remembered when Kate was on The View and arguing with Whoopi she made a point of saying she didn't know Stephanie; her words, " I had never met her, I still have never met her".

Has this been brought up before? Maybe I just missed the conversation.

Treacherous said...

Dear Hope for Jon:

THANKS! I am always amazed by the resourcefulness here.

I don't know how you did it, but I'll keep the information, and forward to my friend.

livnluv said...

I forgot to mention another interesting connection, Jamie Ayers said she knew J&K when there were just the twins (before tups) and Jamie has twins herself. But I don't know if they met at a twins convention. Probably just coincidence but I thought it was interesting. Sounds like Kate is bad at remembering people...or she just likes to lie.

Teri said...

I haven't seen the show for over a year (since the move) but visit this site from time to time. I hope someone can answer my question:
Whatever happened to Kate's BFF Beth? She had a lovely home and knew her way around a spa and I always had the feeling that Kate coveted that terribly. She also helped Kate and her family out A LOT - even flying with those badly behaved kids. At one point it was said that Beth's husband gave Jon a job but we never saw any evidence of that. So whatever happened to Beth?

Im_in_PR said...

So whatever happened to Beth?

As far as I know, no one actually knows.

Charles said...

I hope Eileen O'Neill spends her nights wide awake wondering what is going to happen to her little empire. She is garbage!

8POE's said...

You can't blame Total Lack of Compassion for pulling the perks. The perks were all part of the "agreeance". The perks went w/the show. No show, no perks.

Since Kate's so dependant on them, she's gonna struggle w/out them. No craft service means those poor kids may not get enough to eat now. Sad. They might become very familiar w/fast food now.

Losing the nanny will be the worst for the kids. Kate'll cry more about that than anything but the kids'll suffer more for it. Now she has to look after them and there will be kicking and screaming by Kate.

The kids seemed to relate well w/the asian nanny. An asian nanny was a good fit for them. Sadly for the kids, Kate'll get them to do as much as possible by way of chores but SHE has to be nanny now.

Kate's days w/kids will be hell for sure. She's not pleasant when she simply doesn't get her way but w/out help, income and most importantly, attention, life's gonna be difficult for the kids to say the least. God help 'em.

CrazyK8 said...

fidosmommy said...
Fan Mail? said...
, because we all know the denial she's in and thinks the ENTIRE world is on her side and thinks she's the greatest.

*****

Let's see....that would be Baby Mama and who else?

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Hmm, well, there's someone named Linda (BM's biggest fan, LOL).

I realized from reading some of the Sheeple's posts & comments, these people ARE K8! They are mean to their husbands, they get fertility treatments, their babies are trophies to be acquired, and their lives are OVERWHELMING.

jasmine said...

If TLC is removing all the perks, are they going to haul off the crooked houses and rip out the new kitchen? Maybe TLC will send over a huge moving van to take back all their freebies.

Merrilee said...

If it is truely true that all of the household help has been "pulled", can you just see Kate doing it all her self? Isn't she the new Can-Do Kate?

She will have her work cut out for her just keeping all the floors in that house clean, let alone all the other necessary house and yard work.

Oh my goodness me! How on earth can she do it? Poor, poor Kate.

Maybe Eileen O"Neill should have go go give her a hand.

Teri said...

I'm glad to hear Jon has pulled the plug. Sure, his motives are suspect but whatever they are, it's good for the kids.

As for the TLC perks being at the Gosselin manse in the first place, I'd guess they treat the home like a set. That would include food, housekeeping, wardrobe, security, transportation, etc. TLC must have been making a bundle off this family.

Forget the tabloids, the Ugly Moments vids on youtube linked upthread by Hope for Jon say it all. Even though I've seem most of them - linked together Kate comes off horrible. I think Kate is exactly the same person as in season 2, only with more money and better clothes.

Good luck Jon. Maybe now that you are free of that marriage you can return to being a father to your kids.

BM is nuts! said...

ACK! Just saw BM's Twitter. She painted the playroom pink, and she has a label maker. I think it's Kate's alter-ego.

where's Jon No more Kate said...

to the poster who was interested in the hit and run info....I read about it here some time ago and in the Reading,Pa topix columm ( a long time ago) I think it happened before they moved in the big house.

I later googled Kate's fender bender which is what she(Kate) called it.
Never the less she did not stop to take care of it.

I think people were wondering why someone would not stop for such a thing.

I have NEVER heard it was a DUI. Perhaps it was inferred when wondering why a person would not stop after running into someone else's car?

where's Jon No more Kate said...

Wonder what finally prompted Nancy Grace to finally say that Kate did need a mental evaluation???

Does anyone know??

Sassypaws said...

Has anyone else read Jon's interview on Parentdish.com? I found it interesting with a couple of reassuring comments and one very disturbing one.

Apparently he has no plans to do another reality show:
"PD: I heard that you may do another reality show, Divorced Dads Club with Michael Lohan, Lindsay's dad?
JG: Absolutely never. I will never do a reality show again. If I do, it's a documentary on reality TV. I thought DDC was a good idea, but then I feel I have better things to do with my time than to do another show. DDC would take time from my kids."

Also, apparently Jon is becoming Jewish which could be a bit disturbing to all those Bible-believing Christians that supported the family all these years:

"PD: With all this turmoil, where do you turn for parenting advice?
JG: I have a therapist. But hanging around Jewish people you don't need to talk to anyone else. My parents and grandparents are divorced and I want to break the pattern. I have Hailey and Mark Heller, my attorney, my therapist. They're all Jewish. I watch them and I confide in them, especially Hailey. She is my best friend. She'll tell me if I do something wrong. God has put these people in my life for a reason. My inner circle is Jewish. I only care what they think. I never talked about anything until therapy. Kate never wanted to go to marriage counseling. The thing in therapy is about teaching me how to talk to my kids."

Also, he is writing a book:
"PD: So you're getting everything out in the open now.
JG: I started writing a book. My book says it all. It will teach fathers a lesson."

But, this is a bit disturbing:
"PD: Would you have more children?
JG: No. But if Hailey and I got married and she wanted to, then obviously I would. But let me get through this first."


Here's the link to the interview: http://www.parentdish.com/2009/10/09/jon-gosselin-loves-his-kids-his-girlfriend-and-the-jews/

f8k8 said...

Beth husband did give Jon a job. It was mentioned in one of the episodes. It had something to do with web pages.

Both Jon and Kate loved it because it gave Jon more flexibility. Jon was able to return home early and help out around the house. He also said he could even work at home at times.

I remembered because it was the same episode when Jon came home early, and Kate was waiting in the kitchen. When Jon walked in, Kate SCREECHED. And said "you're home early, are you happy you're home early?" Jon said yes, I get to see my kids.

Kate then replied, anyone else?

Jon said, Oh yeah, you. And that's when Kate slapped him pretty hard.

It was the episode with Kate and Beth going furniture shopping.

grannyoftwo said...

Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.

J & K. May I be the first to introduce you to REALITY.


Now when the paps appear outside the compound with their cameras and take video it will be the first time since the inception of the show that the word "REALITY" can be put in front of the words Jon and Kate Plus 8. If in fact TLC has moved on and there are no more perks etc., and Kate is doing it all on her own now. This is real life Kate. Enjoy what we all have been doing all of our lives.

silimom said...

Regarding Beth:

Please bear in mind, I have no independent confirmation of this, I just read it on a different anti-Kate site. Shortly before they moved into the Heffner Road mansion Kates now EX friend Beth Carson was putting her Grange Road house up on the market and selling it. If you dont remember, Beths house was shown many times on the show, it was HUGE and gorgeous, with acreage and a pool and pool house. It sold for about 2 million.

Beth now lives in a much much smaller home that they bought for $225,000.00

silimom said...

Re: Beth

Just found confirmation at the Reading Eagle. They did indeed sell their home and downsize.

Also, rumor has it that TLC approached Bob Carson about paying him to film on his property and, just like Jodi, Kate had a fit. Bob then refused to allow any filming to be done on the property. Beth was upset and embarrassed by Kate's behavior both regarding this and apparently on the Utah trip and those two events were the eye openers for her.

No pool boy? said...

I give that pool 2 months before it's totally green.

cossysmom said...

I know it sounds crazy, but the latest stories are making me very sad. I don't really care about Jon and Kate and part of me says this is what they deserve. Yet, their world is crumbling around them. My greatest sadness is for the kids.

This is all being played out in the press (tabloid or otherwise). I'm sure if the kids don't see it they at least hear about it at school.

I can't begin to guess what goes on behind closed doors but I wonder how this was explained to them. Was it even explained? Did Kate just rant and carry on as the cameras and equipment were pulled out? As a parent,I would do what I could to protect them from all this. I would sit them down and talk to them in a positive light. I'm afraid--from what we know of this family--that the cancellation of the show was a huge tragedy--"no more trips kids", "we may lose our house", "we have no money", etc. Instead, they could say, "it's been hard having the p-people follow everything we do, filming the show has been a stain on all of us, so for right now we feel it would be better to end the filming. It will be different, but we will have our privacy and we'll be able to be a real family." We have no way of knowing what's really going on, but I just feel such a great sadness for this family. We've all wanted the show to end for these children, but now what?...what will their life be like? My heart breaks

GoPoshGo said...

Mary said...
It's not normal for kids to have all these servants when their parents clearly don't work hard enough to earn it. If your dad is Bill Gate, you will learn something about hard work as well.

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You misunderstood my post, Mary. I did not say that the Gosselins "need" all the perks. The point of my post is that Kate is a crazy loose cannon. With all of her "help" pulled out in the span of a week, she is likely going to have a meltdown. Who is going to suffer when Kate is incapable of taking care of all the things others have done for her thus far? The kids.

chesterctymom said...

Charles said...

I hope Eileen O'Neill spends her nights wide awake wondering what is going to happen to her little empire. She is garbage!


Eileen O'Neill is in search of where her next "big numbers" will come from... Khate made the mistake of believing that all of these people cared for her...they were all just making a buck off of her family n (with her permission) and laughing...

EnzoPenzo said...

Kathyy Griffin was appearing in Chicago last nite and I saw her show. I LOVE Kathy, but she spent about 10-15 minutes raking ole Johnny over the coals. He is definitley the COMPLETE and total villian in her mind, just really mean and nasty stuff....the guy I went with had no idea who Jon and Kate are (hee hee)

She discussed meeting Kate on the View and said she changed her opinion of her after that....."She's just a single mom trying to raise 8 blah blah blah"

She did make fun of Kate's hair, and made it seem like that's why no one likes Kate....because of her hair!!!

Needless to say, I didn't laugh much during that segment, but the rest of her show was hilarious and she does a spot-on Barbra Wawa impersonation.

nanb said...

TUNDRA said...
Jon Gosselin Files Court Document Answering Complaint and Making Counter Claim Against Kate Gosselin

Read Entire Court Document Filed Here

http://www.etonline.com/media/img/pdf_alert_graphic.jpg

From Entertainment Tonight

JON GOSSELIN FIRES BACK!
************edited for space*****************
What I found interesting was the documents(click by jon's picture) apparently they have been to arbitration at least twice already and Jon has won on some points.

Kate needed to document previous money she had taken etc.

What I found interesting is that she claims Jon took $231K yet there had been $290K in the account. Kate took some too.

Jon claims Kate didn't pay her $7500 as per order.

That Kate withdrew $1,000,0000 between Feb 2008 and June 2009 and has not documented where it went.

And last but not least Meyer is the attorney of record in PA again and Heller is Jon's personal attorney in NY. (Which leaves me to believe Jon wasn't dropped by him in the first place, Jon just wanted an aggressive attorney who could help him with his public imagine.)

Jen K said...

That airplane ride to Utah was hilarious! She really doesn't think on her feet does she?

I have one son, two years old and when we have flown with him, he's had his own backpack FULL of snacks, drinks and toys (most of which were new and that he had never seen before the flight). I didn't take any chances flying unless I knew I could keep him happy (and thus, keep the rest of the passengers happy).

Then this grown woman has a meltdown to rival any toddler's. What a drama queen. Get a grip, woman. Be an adult!

Megs said...

Anyone notice the preview for the next new Law & Order? They're catching on!
http://www.fancast.com/blogs/tv-news/law-order-plus-jon-kate-equals-murder/

Midnight Serenade said...

"BODYGUARD: The bodyguard only shows up for Kate, not for the kids. He travels with Kate. Her kids wait for the school bus in a parking lot without a bodyguard."

Really? I didn't know that. He's seen on numerous photos with the kids, especially on trips/filming/excursions. He was also photographed at the bus stop with the kids.

"The kids are all grown. They can walk, run, and wipe their own butts. It really doesn't need an army to watch them. One nanny is enough"

Do they let the children run unattended outside, or do they have someone always there watching them? I would hope, in the interest of security, the latter would be the case. With the paps (and possible intruders) I wouldn't want my kids outside unattended. Is one person really enough to stand guard outside as well as getting the inside chores done? In a "normal" family, perhaps, but in a high-profile family, I don't know...

"I am sure the kids are old enough to fold their own laundry. It's better for them to fold their own clothes. They can learn to be organized and not lazy."

I've never asked a five-year-old to do their own laundry. These kids have "worked" their entire life. Let them be kids. They'll be plenty of time for folding laundry in the years to come. I would say, however, that they can help put the folded laundry away and learn some responsibility, just like they put the toilet tissue in the bathrooms.

"LAWN CARE, POOL CARE, HOUSE CLEANING: That's Kate's fault for getting a house too big and expensive to maintain. Unless you are Bill Gate working his ass off to make billions, no one should live in a huge house that requires an army to maintain."

Absolutely agree. She never had a property that size and was so enamored with the status that it would bring that she never considered there is upkeep to the property. She figured someone would always be there to do the maintenance for her, and the money would always be there to pay for that maintenance. Guess she was wrong!

No Drama Mama said...

Jon's response and counterclaim: VERY interesting. Granted, the timing of the one large withdrawal is aroung the time they purchased the new house however Kate's failure to reply to what was asked of her in July is... well... suspect.

Ms.Peach said...

Although the paps are annoying, I have to say that the natural interaction between Jon and his kids is the real deal. If you go to sosugar.com and look at the pics taken on Oct. 11 of Jon with the kids at the house, it's obvious that although Jon is aware of the paps, the kids interaction with him is so different from Kate's pap photo ops in the driveway. The kids are comfortable, happy, and their reactions are natural. Notice how they cling and snuggle next to dad.

anotherthing... said...

the moment that made me stop watching was...

...well, it was a gradual process. i watched faithfully early on. but somewhere along the lines, kate chnged and her 'quirky' personality became 'garting' and downright miserable. i was begining to se it affect the kids, you could see them flinch when she yelled.

but its funny, what did it for me, was when they moved, not the epi of moving. but the act of them really moving. because it signified how much they had changed and how far they had wandered from their original path.

that is also when i started getting really confused because kates lies or contridictions on the show and in the media were starting to pile up. and im a nut for details. and it was bothering me.

then i realized how truly troubled kate is. and how her poor choices and bad mentality are harming her kids. and here we are.

great topic! i really liked reading your guys' breaking points too...

:)

No Drama Mama said...

All dried up said:

Entertainment tonight said they have learned from TLC that YES all of the perks have been pulled, ALL of them, nanny included. So no more chef, gardeners, housekeepers,
pool guys, landscapers, groceries, cleaners (clothing), etc. Its like they were never there.
No show..no perks and no salary.
Done.


Did you see this in print or on TV?

Az Mom said...

Well you know if TLC does a show with Kate alone, all ther perks will come back even the bodyguard.

Kate has the money to pay for one nanny, gardner and a once a week cleaning crew. I don't have anyway close to the amount of money she has but do have a gardner and once a week cleaning lady. But maybe she doesn't want to dip into her non liquid funs until he new show for TLC "Kate" starts up. Can't see that show lasting.

Truth or Rumor said...

Beth husband did give Jon a job. It was mentioned in one of the episodes. It had something to do with web pages.

Both Jon and Kate loved it because it gave Jon more flexibility. Jon was able to return home early and help out around the house. He also said he could even work at home at times.

I remembered because it was the same episode when Jon came home early, and Kate was waiting in the kitchen. When Jon walked in, Kate SCREECHED. And said "you're home early, are you happy you're home early?" Jon said yes, I get to see my kids.

Kate then replied, anyone else?

Jon said, Oh yeah, you. And that's when Kate slapped him pretty hard.

It was the episode with Kate and Beth going furniture shopping.
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I know, I remember that. However I always found it suspicious. The amount of lies these two have told, especially in the beginning when they were trying to portray a financially struggling family, make me question it. I don't remember Jon ever being absent from home again and then they cleared it up in a one sentence blurb overdub of "I no longer work for Bob" or something. I'm wondering is anyone is as suspicious about it as me.

abettermom said...

Hmmmmm.. I have to admit, I am a bit skeptical of TLC just shutting everything down and removing all perks. Think about it for a second - Kate is their beloved golden child and supposedly there is a project in the works for her in 2010. So, why would they just yank everything and just leave her hanging? Wouldn't that hurt their very special relationship? While I do have an easier time believing that they did remove the filming equipment and the children's invasion of privacy has come to an end, I don't know that I can believe that TLC took everything near and dear (material things and people) away from Kate. I think that is exactly what they want the public to believe so that we will feel sorry for her, or gasp, she will somehow become relatable again (NOT!). TLC is shady and they will continue to do shady things. They have been revealed as the "man behind the curtain, manipulating perceptions and reality and I think this is just another demonstration of just that. It's all for show or should I say "the show," whatever that may be in the future. And BTW, the credit card decline is a total joke. Again, likely completely staged by TLC. What's next, one of her law firms that rep her back out because she has no money to pay them? C'mon, TLC. Nobody is buying it and even if the sheeple are, there just isn't enough of them to maintain your cash cow. I wish TLC would take the money they appear to sink into tabloids, photogs, blogs, magazines, Kate's lawyers, hired help, bodyguards, and whatever else and put it into an account for the kids. That's pretty much the only thing they can do at this point to redeem themselves even just a little bit, at least in my opinion.

NGis the B-All said...

Nancy Grace finally admitted last night that Kate does need a mental evaluation.

10/09/2009 9:55 PM

*****
Well My Goodness, then it's all settled for sure! Cuz after all, we all know that NG is the definitive authority of ALL THINGS! (next to Oprah)

iheartmyhubby said...

Kate said that they will never have a "nanny" and that they only have a "helper". On Jamie's Facebook page, she has a picture of one "Nanny Judy"! Interesting!

anotherthing said...

you know what always bothered me...?

why do j & k always say 'MY kids' when talking about the kids?

since day 1, no matter the context, they say MY. not 'the kids' 'our kids' or 'we' or whatever.... its always personal and possesive: not 'our' but 'MY'.

i dont have kids, but my friends who do say 'the kids'. or 'we went to the park' not 'i took MY kids to the park'.

its like since day 1 they were referred to as posessions. in all the couch interviews ive ever seen.

and it has always just rubbed me the wrong way. like we dont know what freakin kids theyre talking about in the 1st place.

nanasez said...

The correct link for the ET Online page showing the documents Jon filed in his counterclaim against Kate.

http://www.etonline.com/documents/gosselinexchange_ins.pdf

Ohio Buckeye said...

I always found it intresting that J&K purchased an acred, pooled mansion much like K8's former BFF, Beth.

Re: TLC's Eileen O'Neill (sp?): hey, K8: how's it feel to be replaced with Eileen's newest bet on successful programming, "My Monkey Baby"? You are on par with a monkey. Except the monkey isn't costing TLC travel and costuming bucks. Deepest congrats, K8, Queen of Monkeyland.

fidosmommy said...

I wish TLC would take the money they appear to sink into tabloids, photogs, blogs, magazines, Kate's lawyers, hired help, bodyguards, and whatever else and put it into an account for the kids.

*****

I'd like to see them pour at least some of it into mandatory ethics
classes for all TLC employees, from the top down.

PatK said...

silimom said...
Re: Beth

Just found confirmation at the Reading Eagle. They did indeed sell their home and downsize.

Also, rumor has it that TLC approached Bob Carson about paying him to film on his property and, just like Jodi, Kate had a fit. Bob then refused to allow any filming to be done on the property. Beth was upset and embarrassed by Kate's behavior both regarding this and apparently on the Utah trip and those two events were the eye openers for her.

10/11/2009 3:11 AM

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That seems very plausible. I knew there had to be a reason Beth was no longer in the picture.

Maude said...

anotherthing said:
why do j & k always say 'MY kids' when talking about the kids?

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Because everything is about them.

Not terribly fond of how Nancy Grace reamed Jon out (only because Kate deserves the same) but when she asked Jon why he always makes everything about him, I LOVED the dumbstuck look on his face!

I know Kate does it because in her narcissistic mind she thinks it really IS all about her, but Jon doesn't realize how self centered he is.

mine, mine, mine! said...

The "my kids" thing has always bugged me too. Jon has always done the "my" thing - he once said something about one of the little boys being on MY sofa - and then there's MY property, MY dogs....etc.
And doesn't Kate realize that it takes two to make a baby? She can't be that obtuse.

Suzi said...

Think about it for a second - Kate is their beloved golden child and supposedly there is a project in the works for her in 2010. So, why would they just yank everything and just leave her hanging?
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David Hasslehorff was once someone's golden child, too...

I really hope we never have to see a video of a drunken Kate eating an organic treat on the bathroom floor. :(

f8k8 said...

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Not terribly fond of how Nancy Grace reamed Jon out (only because Kate deserves the same) but when she asked Jon why he always makes everything about him, I LOVED the dumbstuck look on his face!

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Jon was just using himself as an analogy..

She if the kids should go to Therapy. Jon said yes, then went on to say that he wanted to break the chain. His father was a little passive and he was passive. So going to therapy to break the change would be good. That's when Nancy brought the "what is it about you". When Jon already answered the original question.

rural mom said...

Why are people so curious about Beth and Bob? I recall Beth saying she sought out Kate soon after the Tups were born, offering to be one of the volunteers rotating through the home. When Kate saw Beth's mansion she made Beth her BFF. TLC used Bob as a cover story for Jon, the so called IT job didn't exist, TLC just knew viewers would tune out if both parents were living off reality show paycheques. Beth wrote Multiple Blessings and TLC sent Kate out for the book tour. I suspect that ended Beth's desire to help Kate. Jon said in an interview in Utah (he is wearing a hat) that Bob and Beth chose to quit filming because their privacy was too invaded by fans. That sounds right to me.

All In The Family said...

I just read that David Letterman in fact did take his "girlfriend" on a vacation with his wife & son!Wife had no clue. So it does happen. Seems like that first trip to Utah with Beth & Steve took a toll on all. I bet Gina is thinking about alot right now.

SaNdY said...

Truth or Rumor said...
Beth husband did give Jon a job. It was mentioned in one of the episodes. It had something to do with web pages.

Both Jon and Kate loved it because it gave Jon more flexibility. Jon was able to return home early and help out around the house. He also said he could even work at home at times.

I remembered because it was the same episode when Jon came home early, and Kate was waiting in the kitchen. When Jon walked in, Kate SCREECHED. And said "you're home early, are you happy you're home early?" Jon said yes, I get to see my kids.

Kate then replied, anyone else?

Jon said, Oh yeah, you. And that's when Kate slapped him pretty hard.

It was the episode with Kate and Beth going furniture shopping.
-----------------

I know, I remember that. However I always found it suspicious. The amount of lies these two have told, especially in the beginning when they were trying to portray a financially struggling family, make me question it. I don't remember Jon ever being absent from home again and then they cleared it up in a one sentence blurb overdub of "I no longer work for Bob" or something. I'm wondering is anyone is as suspicious about it as me.
*******************************
I am very suspicious, too, I don't believe Jon ever worked for Bob Carson....I'm assuming this was about the time that Jon quit whatever job he had and he and Kate decided 'the show would be their life and their life would be the show'....the 'working for Bob' excuse was used so viewers would still think he was 'working'...I don't care what was said on the show about Jon working for Bob, I don't believe it...many lies were told on this show, and this was one of many, IMO

YooHoo, Is That YOU In There? said...

rural mom said...
Why are people so curious about Beth and Bob?
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I have this little fantasy that Beth, Bob, Jen The Producer, Scott The Cameraman, Aunt Jodi, all the Nanas and whomever else has gotten involved in the Gosselin mess, perhaps SECRETLY (with poster names like we all make up) BLOG here and give us perspective/insight (clues?) since they're probably gagged from speaking due to confidentiality agreements. I'm sure they have plenty to say. I hope they're saying it here, indirectly. Maybe from the safety of a friend's computer or something, so they're not tracked (if that's how it works...I don't know, as I'm fairly web-illiterate). But then, maybe I'm also getting too caught up in "intrigue" of only hearing and seeing half the Gosselin story. In any event, I just wonder who we all are, if the mask of bloggers was revealed.

Falling away said...

I hated the interview Jon did with Nancy Grace. She was horrendous. What was he thinking?

Then in his latest interview Jon says that when the whole TLC series started he signed the contract without having a lawyer look at it. Again, what was he thinking? Arughhhhhhhh!

When The Last Bridge Falls said...

PatK said...
silimom said...
Re: Beth

Just found confirmation at the Reading Eagle. They did indeed sell their home and downsize.

Also, rumor has it that TLC approached Bob Carson about paying him to film on his property and, just like Jodi, Kate had a fit. Bob then refused to allow any filming to be done on the property. Beth was upset and embarrassed by Kate's behavior both regarding this and apparently on the Utah trip and those two events were the eye openers for her.
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Man, Kate is an expert at burning bridges, isn't she? Pretty soon, she's going to be left standing on one side of the cliff with no way to ford the river, since every bridge will be gone; then she'll be all alone, cut off from everybody, with no way to get back. It's really, actually, very sad. Maybe having just herself for company is enough for her, though. If you're not like her, it's hard to understand. Don't mistake...I don't feel sorry for her, as she could strive to change...but it's something to observe it while it's happening and see what the person involved apparently can't. Difference is, she may simply not care. She's given off the air of not caring more than one time. As many have stated, she seems to only care about herself. Hope that keeps her warm at night.

Ssshhhh said...

That Jon "worked at home for Bob" was another piece of show fiction. TLC didn't want to say outright hey Jon quit his nice state job because Kate wanted him home to do childcare now that we're paying them some money to do the show. Being used like that was another nail in the coffin of the friendship with Beth and Bob.

WhenYouAskTooMuchOfSomeone said...

SaNdY said...
Truth or Rumor said...
Beth husband did give Jon a job. It was mentioned in one of the episodes. It had something to do with web pages.

Both Jon and Kate loved it because it gave Jon more flexibility. Jon was able to return home early and help out around the house. He also said he could even work at home at times.

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When the past season was ending, and the episodes on the sofa were so obviously hostile and uncomfortable, and when Jon and Kate sort of left it hanging if Jon was going to continue with the show or not, didn't Jon say that the decision for him to quit an outside job and stay at home turned out to be a mistake? That it worked for Kate but ultimately not for him? It wasn't that he didn't love his kids and enjoy being their dad but (my impression was) he felt isolated at home, away from peers; out of the mainstream. Maybe he got some identity from his job(s), however brief, that he needed. I just got the feeling from watching Kate in her usual fine form, that she put tremendous pressure on Jon to help her out at home. It's like she could handle washing clothes (not folding) and getting some of the meals ready, but that was about it; she relied on Jon so much for bathing, dressing, babysitting, transportation. She leaned on him, hard. I recognize some of this behavior because I'm ashamed to say I've seen it in myself as I try to cope with care of an elderly parent. I've had to lay off my husband and not nag for him to take days off work to help me and free up some of my own time. I caught myself before it was too late, when it became clear to me (in my own guilty epiphany) that I was bordering on taking advantage of my own dear husband...I cared enough to not overburden him in the end. I don't think Kate did; she pretty much used and abused Jon's help and, ultimately, he was doing much more with the care of the eight kids than she ever did. They are a couple...they're supposed to co-parent. Some couples can work these things out; others can't. They've got to be on the same page.

FreetheEight said...

I agree with the assessement of WhenYouAskTooMuchOfSomeone. From what I've read, Men get a lot of their sense of identity and self-worth from their career and their effort to support the family financially. This may be changing as there are a lot more stay-at-home-dads now than there ever have been. This is a relatively new phenomenon and will continue to grow so this identity may change as young boys are brought up with other role models. However, while I'm a big equal opportunity believer, and a mother who does work outside the home half time, I do think there is a difference in the way that men and women view and balance their careers and their traditional roles within the family as wife/mother, huband/father. Clearly Jon lost something of himself when he decided to stay home and be a reality star/husband/father soley. I hope he can turn himself around by finding an external source of support that gives him better purpose as well as identity so that he can regain his confidence and strengthen and renew his committment to his kids. It can't really be great having to sell yourself out to every milkshake shop and vacuous talk show to get some money. And that can't last forever.

BethCarson'shouse said...

I don't know the state of the Carson's finances but sounds to me like they were smart and sold their mansion for a GREAT price (close to 2 mil) before the real estate market tanked. Their downsizing might be temporary since it's just not smart to have a lot of money in real estate right now if you can help it. I wouldn't be surprised if their old home (estate) loses a lot of the value it had at the height of the 'bubble'.

If they sold to be prudent financially, not because they were in debt, they should be sitting pretty since they got full value for their house (it has already gone done in value, according to real estate websites by 200,000 from the price they sold it at!)

Somewhereinoh said...

Why are people so curious about Beth and Bob?

IMO, the curiousty stems from the fact that Beth and Bob, like Jodi and Kevin were introduced and featured as important and supportive individuals that J & K heavily relied on over the years. Then suddenly, without any explanation, these individuals disappeared; not a mere mention of them ever again, in the media or othersie. Why would individuals who APPEARED to play such an important role in so many episodes of J & K + 8, disappear from the show without any explanation? But for whatever reason, Steve the 'body gaurd' is of such significance that his presence has out lasted previously featured 'loved ones' such as Beth, Bob, Aunt Jodi, Uncle Kevin.

livnluv said...

FreetheEight said...

Clearly Jon lost something of himself when he decided to stay home and be a reality star/husband/father soley. I hope he can turn himself around by finding an external source of support that gives him better purpose as well as identity so that he can regain his confidence and strengthen and renew his committment to his kids.

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I hope so too. In one interview he said Kate TOLD him he was going to quit his job and stay home, and she was going out on the road. Of course, he could have said no, but Her Highness doesn't take no for an answer.

Actually, looking back you can see this was a disaster waiting to happen.

livnluv said...

Ssshhhh said...
That Jon "worked at home for Bob" was another piece of show fiction. TLC didn't want to say outright hey Jon quit his nice state job because Kate wanted him home to do childcare now that we're paying them some money to do the show. Being used like that was another nail in the coffin of the friendship with Beth and Bob.

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This might very well be true, but if someone was using my name to perpetuate a lie I'd be on them so fast your head would spin. Beth and Bob seemed like very decent people. I can't imagine Bob wouldn't have at least complained if he were being used. Would that be some sort of crime?

Calgary7 said...

The Need Family said

It would have been nice if Jon's mom, grandma, even Jodi and her kids, could have come to the house

I agree whole heartedly. The best thing these kids could have right now is a number of other family members in their lives so they learn that even if their parents are idiots there are other family sources for comfort and love;
While I think the paid staff do an admirable job, there is something about an adult comforting a child because they are family; they can't be fired or quit for another job.

There is a sense of permanence when connecting with others.

And I don't believe the protestations of the two parents that the paid staff have filled the void.

The invite to birthday party would have been a good first step.

However, I doubt that neither of these two parents are sufficiently adult enough to manage a caring family relationship.

Calgary7 said...

Help Please! Do I remember this correctly?

One of my favourite gwop posters has been quoted and requoted in a few posts with this:

And fast forward from that long-ago plea of hers to empty the house of helpers...my, my, how things changed. She sure got accustomed to being in a house where it's more than just "us." She sure hasn't minded the paid help

I'm asking if I am remembering this correctly:

1) Were there photos published showing a vast quantity of rules and how Kate wants things done by the realtor of the E-town home? These photos have since been replaced.

2) Were there not countless of volunteers who gave of their time to help when the children were infants?

3) Even though Kate insisted that PA State medicare pay for a full time nurse for healthy babies when they were older than a year?

4) Didn't she have a lot of help and assistance by family members (Jodi/Kevin) and friends (Beth/Bob) even when it was just the twins?

5) Weren't there casual friends who sat with the napping kids while Kate went grocery shopping or the other lady who folded the clothes?

So am I remembering this correctly?

So, did she EVER mother her children or manage her home by herself?

where'sthe real$$ said...

About Jon's move to NYC. I was reading the artitration document and something occurred to me. Is it possible that moving to a different state (with different laws) was a strategic move dictated to jon from his lawyers? I could be wrong, but any lawyers here know about divorce laws when one party lives in NY?

I remember reading that the Gosselin's assets were in the 10 million range (this was a few months ago). That seems more likely than the 2 mil they are publicly fighting for.

With the years of grifting, church shakedowns, speaking gigs, books, tvs, dvds, paid endorsements, it seems like the figure would be closer to 10 mil than two they even had producer credits didnt they?

women aren't meant to carry 6 children said...

YES Calgary 7, you remember correctly! Has there ever been one single day since she brought home 6 babies that she has done it by herself? From what we've seen there has always been loads of help for her. Maybe that is part of the problem, she never was truly responsible as a mother for taking care of the children she chose to bring into the world. The creepy thing that sticks in my mind is how often she has repeated that she'just wanted one more'. And out of the six there appears to be just 1 that she has any sort of bond with.?? She is a case study in parenting to be sure-what NOT to do.

Canadian Mom said...

(burp) Excuse me!! Too much punk'in pie here in Canada...and I'm NOT complaining ;)

I converted a sheeple tonite, ladies and gents! This is BREAKING NEWS at least for me!

My mother watched a re-run epi of Jon putting the new beds together and Kate FREAKING out that the kids needed their 'naps' so "I can have a break!!!"

My awesome punk'in pie baking mom "couldn't believe the way she was talking to Jon!".

And I never even said I-told-you-so....hee hee

PS - before I posted the link to jandkforum.com and Julie's old blogs, they had been looked at 350 or so times.

Last time I checked, that number changed to over 2000!! So the info IS getting out.

KateThe User said...

Ssshhhh said...
That Jon "worked at home for Bob" was another piece of show fiction. TLC didn't want to say outright hey Jon quit his nice state job because Kate wanted him home to do childcare now that we're paying them some money to do the show. Being used like that was another nail in the coffin of the friendship with Beth and Bob.
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I am sure Kate demanded that Jon stay home and watch the kids so she was free to travel for her book appearances, etc... to earn more money. After all, she did not have enough money coming in with just their show, greedy witch that she is.

I am guessing that maybe Jon was designing a website or some other small project for Bob. So he may have been given "work" by Bob but not a true full-time, long-term job. On another note, I always thought it was strange that Kate insisted Jon's name be on the book as a co-author. Seems to me, this was her way of getting two thirds of the profits from the book sales, rather than splitting the proceeds in half with Beth. This may have been another reason why they parted ways. I know it was stated that Kate and Beth clearly collaborated on writing the book, yet Jon was listed a a co-author. With Beth doing all of the actual work of writing the book. Talk about using people, they used Bob and Beth plenty.

Suzi said...

***Were there photos published showing a vast quantity of rules and how Kate wants things done by the realtor of the E-town home? These photos have since been replaced.***

In one of the very early shows, maybe when it was just being filmed once or twice a year for the Discovery Channel, Kate showed all of the notes in all of the rooms of the house and bragged about how this was necessary to keep organized. I particularly remember the large quantity of notes by the coffee machine, by the kitchen trash can and in the children’s bathroom. In another episode in one of the early seasons, Kate shows how she does the laundry and again the laundry room is covered in notes. In a magazine article when the split was first being announced, Angela Krall (the baby nurse who worked for them the first year) tells that Kate had notes absolutely everywhere and it was very demeaning. I remember from those episodes that there was a lot of capital letters, underlining and exclamation points. Not polite.

***Were there not countless of volunteers who gave of their time to help when the children were infants?***

The church the Gosselins attended organized nearly round-the-clock help for when the babies were infants. They also received a full time baby nurse paid for by Pennsylvania’s Medicaid program. On the Dr. Phil show, I think Kate mentioned they had around 60 volunteers a week. The Church also paid for an extensive addition to their home and friends, family members and the church congregation paid for most of their living expenses (PA Medicaid paid for all the family’s medical expenses).

***Even though Kate insisted that PA State medicare pay for a full time nurse for healthy babies when they were older than a year?***

Even though the babies were thriving at a year, Kate filed a Petition to extend the babies’ nursing care and claimed the babies were disabled. In her application she stated that since society encourages the use of fertility medication, it was society’s responsibility to raise the children. John Grogan (the author of Marley & Me) was working for the Philadelphia Inquirer at the time and interviewed them. Kate said that leaving her home by herself to care for 8 children was “not fair.” In the published article, Grogan says that although he went into the interview wanting to feel sympathetic toward Kate, Kate’s inability to accept any responsibility for her plight, her sense of entitlement and her inflexibility made it impossible for him to feel kindly to her at all. Kate's Petition was declined.

***Didn't she have a lot of help and assistance by family members (Jodi/Kevin) and friends (Beth/Bob) even when it was just the twins?***

I’m not sure about when it was just the twins, but she has admitted that her family (including Jodi/Kevin) basically took care of the twins when she was on bedrest during her pregnancy with the sextuplets (which lasted basically the whole time). There are also stories about Jon’s dad bringing her meals at home, so I presume he helped out as well. I’m not sure about Beth/Bob).

***Weren't there casual friends who sat with the napping kids while Kate went grocery shopping or the other lady who folded the clothes?***

Yes, there was Kate’s neighbor who came over and folded the clothes every Thursday and then another neighbor and her teenage daughter who came over regularly to help and babysit. Also, the kids went to Jodi’s house every Friday so Kate had some free time. In one of the early seasons Kate also hired a housecleaner. That was a painful episode because Kate was so rude to the potential housecleaners that only one actually gave a bid and then came in to work. But she didn’t speak English great and Kate wanted to micro-manage.

***So am I remembering this correctly?***

I think so!

***So, did she EVER mother her children or manage her home by herself?***

Maybe for a brief time when the twins were babies (with a LOT of help from Jon), but for the most part, not at all.

Suzi said...

Do we know why Beth and Bob needed to downsize? Was the purchase of the home at all based on book proceeds? I know I'm interested because Beth always seemed so intelligent, capable and kind, but Kate was never very respectful of her and actually seemed she thought she was doing Beth a favor by letting her be filmed.

f8k8 said...

Beth clearly stated that Jon and Kate lived it, and she wrote it...

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=117302

Take Paws said...

Wasn't there a time when Jon said he created his own job and that he would be working from home? Well I always thought the job he created was the show and nothing more--just another cover-up.

Also, after Beth/K8's book was published, I read somewhere that Beth and Bob had moved-and maybe it was to another state?

I don't remember seeing Jodi or Beth after the Utah trip. Does anyone remember seeing them after that or was Gumgate after the Utah trip?

nurse2 said...

Something that I saw was on the interviewing couch at least 2x's Jon said "my wife", and Kate corrected him and said "Kate".Things that go Hmmm

NotFlashyTrash said...

Suzi said...
Do we know why Beth and Bob needed to downsize? Was the purchase of the home at all based on book proceeds?
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IMO, the book had nothing to do with it. Bob and Beth seemed like OLD MONEY to me, which means high-class and sensible. They also looked very settled in that house -- as if they'd had it for years. A huge house and property is a lot of work and a lot of expense. If you don't need it (kids out on their own and they're not getting any younger), why waste the money?
BTW I looked up real estate transactions in PA -- they sold that house for almost 2million! I doubt they bought it on book proceeds. JMO

No Drama Mama said...

http://smalltowngosselins.blogspot.com/

Blog about Jon and Kate from a neighbor of theirs. I can confirm this person is legitimately a neighbor. Good read!

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

Nothing But The Truth said...
Midnight Serenade said...
If we see her out and about in a limo, going to the spa, with a bodyguard, and since TLC allegedly pulled the perks, isn't that going to contradict her story that she is broke with no money to pay for the bills?

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She will STILL go out with her Limo's & her Steve, we just won't see it because Kate will not be calling the Paps like she's done in the past, letting them know where & when she will be going anywhere....she's sly.

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

The book I want to read: The tell-all book from Jen, the old Producer! Ohhh, what stories she could tell!
JEN, WHERE ARE YOU!!??

pinkdiamond611 said...

The one thing I recall about Beth and Bob, is that they went to church, and they are probably living "the life". In other words, those without sin be the first to cast the first stone. Good for you, Beth and Bob, you are a wonderful example to your family and neighbors. The same goes for Khates parents. What loving parent talks negatively in public about their child? Only some famewhore such as Michael Lohan.

No Drama Mama said...

Beth Carson lived in what many would consider a mansion along Museum Road in Wyomissing. HUGE home. She has 4 kids, 3 that are older and then a younger one, maybe 9 or 10. I believe that they didn't "downsize" as much as "right size" their house. With 3 older kids more than likely being out on their own or at college, they did not need the ginormous house. Remember, Bob Carson is a successful man and they did not need to latch on to J&K in their lives for fame or noteriety. Beth reached out to Kate after the septuplets were born to help because that is the type of person she is. Unfortunately, her kindness was used and abused and I firmly believe that Beth and Bob saw the friendship as "toxic" and broke it off.

cheryl said...

My thanks to the Mods for the history review in the current Free
Discussion area. Been alot of changes over the past three years how the family/friends have dropped out. Would love to hear from old
employees and friends via a non-
tracking computer. It would definitely add more color to the g
novel. Thanks again Mods.

Swissmiss150 said...

Someone asked about a mob scene in New York.

I believe in August the Gosselins, the Little Couple (the woman is a doctor in Texas) and other reality show people were required to be there for some type of network thing.

cheryl said...

Eons ago, it was mentioned that Beth & Bob might've lost money in the Madoff scheme, sold out and moved to the Wyomissing(sp) area.
Seems that Beth and Jodi flew to Utah, Jan or Feb 2008, to help with the kids on the return trip - believe at their own expense. For the most part they've not been seen since??

pogo said...

Watched, Nancy Grace(she is neither)what a b*%#H, her and Kate must be twins or same person.Why is she so hard on Jon? Nancy and her co-horts don't question Kate about the money, expenses, children, diamond ring Kate wants, or anything Kate does(she right & perfect) and they take anything Jon does/says out of context, so he does look bad. Infact most the show biz shows do the same to Jon, instead of staying neutral. Also, a caller on Nancy ask why so hard on Jon, Nancy cut her off and changed subject, not giving her an answer.Everything is always poor Kate, what a DRAMA QUEEN! It's possible that this marriage was over 2-3 years ago, like maybe when Jon wanted to pull plug. I don't condon Jon 's behavior, but you know he has moved on, so people stop taking things out of context & time. Also mention on the show, that one of Kates nannys/friend or whatever looks like her? What is this, so Kate can do as she pleases, go where she wants and everyone thinks she is with her kids when she is not? What a liar! Jon's whole thing about tryin to make peace with her and keep it out of the media, has not worked cause Kate won't give in. So, yeah I would get angry too. As, for Nancy Grace won't watch her again she is too Kate sided.

SarahinTO said...

Jon Gosselin to Star in New Show - 'The Divorced Dads Club'

New headline today, not an old one.

I bet that Jon's "I don't want the kids to be filmed" act was just a ploy in order to get TLC to let him out of their contract so he would be able to film his own reality show. AND now TLC will be allowed to proceed with Kate plus 8. Just so sad and pathetic, but wait and see. If this is the case, Jon is worse then Kate.

marypoppins said...

Somewhereinoh said...
Why are people so curious about Beth and Bob?

IMO, the curiousty stems from the fact that Beth and Bob, like Jodi and Kevin were introduced and featured as important and supportive individuals that J & K heavily relied on over the years. Then suddenly, without any explanation, these individuals disappeared.
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Beth & Bob and Jodi & Kevin (what little we saw of them) I thought they were warm, natural and easy going.

I liked seeing the kids at Jodi's house. I felt calmer when I watched her house.

She acted as if taking care of 8-12kids were the most normal thing in the world.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

The Women's Conference is coming up in about 2 weeks (10/27)....I see she is still listed as a "speaker". When you click on her name - this is what appears below her picture as her bio I guess?

"How She Empowers OthersKate Gosselin keeps very busy with her 8 children (8 year old twins and 5 year old sextuplets). Featured in TLC's show, Jon & Kate Plus Eight, Kate enjoys spending time with her family, traveling with her children and cooking. She also is the author of two books, Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, and is currently working on her next book project"

Empowers Others??????????? That's a giggle. And love the last line about "currently working on her next book project"

Can you say TELL ALL?

Interesting

fidosmommy said...

***Didn't she have a lot of help and assistance by family members (Jodi/Kevin) and friends (Beth/Bob) even when it was just the twins?***

I’m not sure about when it was just the twins, but she has admitted that her family (including Jodi/Kevin) basically took care of the twins when she was on bedrest during her pregnancy with the sextuplets (which lasted basically the whole time). There are also stories about Jon’s dad bringing her meals at home, so I presume he helped out as well. I’m not sure about Beth/Bob).

*****

I thought I read that KATE's parents, the Rev. and Mrs. Kreider,
took the basic responsibility for Mady and Cara when Kate was on bed rest with the sextuplets, and also was right there for the twins when the babies were first born.

it's the last train to wyomissing said...

kate is a poor money manager...IF jon says his take is 1/10th...then kate's is 1/10th as well...how long did she have to save her 2250 so she could buy her 70,000 suv?? GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

these two clowns spent all the money on themselves. kate places a token amount of money in accts for kids after they split up.

is PA a community property state? if so, everything acquired during the marriage belongs to both of them.

it is apparent that kate controlled the finances, and she betrayed jon's trust. he let her handle it FOR THE FAMILY, and she set up accts for HERSELF.
attys will have a field day with her!

if they were only making 22500 an episode, that money should be gone.
the only money they should have left is endorsement deals (healthtex, although it was short-lived) and book revenues. if kate was as stupid concerning the book revenue as she was when signing the tlc contract, she made a mere fraction of what she should have.
karma train is comin'.........

what in the world can these two do to maintain their lifestyle? i bet she has a hard time sleeping at night!

and as for the wedding ring issue..everyone keeps saying that she wears it because of it's size (if they are talking about the one shown a lot, that ring is a JOKE).
if that is the ring in question, it would be so funny if indeed tlc owned it and took it back! LOL!!!

one more thing...locals need to keep an eye out for her..since she is BROKE, she shouldn't be spending any money (spas, nails, hair, coffee, et al) except for food essentials (milk, bread--and not organic either!)

last train to wyomissing said...

i wouldn't be so fast to slam jon concerning the cake misspelling and what kind of cake his girls like.
many times dads ask the mom:
1.when are the kids' birthdays
2.what is their middle name (and how do you spell it)
3. when is my mom's birthday? (just thought i would throw that one in there)
4. should we even mention the wedding anniversary? (lol)

most guys aren't into 'details'.

jon is one of the most hands on dads i have ever seen! how many moms can say they were a stay at home mom and yet never gave their kids a bath?? give the guy a break already. when he worked outside the home, he did that all day and came home to another full time job. I bet he didn't get a 3 (or was it 4?) hour break like kate did during the day.
an old episode was on the other day, talking about laundry. she said she washed and dried it, some lady came and folded it, and carla came over and put it up!
i think kate spent more time making notes and to-do lists--she could have done the actual chore in less time!

Jake said...

where'sthe real$$ said...
About Jon's move to NYC. I was reading the artitration document and something occurred to me. Is it possible that moving to a different state (with different laws) was a strategic move dictated to jon from his lawyers? I could be wrong, but any lawyers here know about divorce laws when one party lives in NY?


Nope. Jon can not move jusidiction of the divorce to NY once the divorce has already been filed in Pennsylvania.

Before divorce papers were filed in PA, Jon would have had to establish residency to file in New York State fo file there. To establish residency, one spouse needs to have lived in NY a year. Also a NY court has no jurisdiction over property in Pennsylvania.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Finally - at least temporarily - http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b148454_gosselins_vow_shut_their_mouthsfor_now.html

At least until tomorrow - after their hearing.

Will the good news not stop? :)

SickOfJon&Kate said...

where'sthe real$$ said...

About Jon's move to NYC. I was reading the artitration document and something occurred to me. Is it possible that moving to a different state (with different laws) was a strategic move dictated to jon from his lawyers? I could be wrong, but any lawyers here know about divorce laws when one party lives in NY?
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Doesn't matter that Jon moved to NYC. He was a resident of PA when the divorce action was filed and he has submitted to the jurisdiction of PA courts. As an fyi, if jurisdiction was going to be argued he would have had to argue it before he answered her complaint for divorce or claimed lack of jurisdiction as a defense within his answer. As an additional fyi, Jon would have a hard time claiming that the courts in PA do not have jurisdiction over him because he owns real property in PA therefore giving PA in personam jurisdiction over him. Also as an fyi he travels frequently within the state of PA so the PA long arm statute could be used for the courts in PA to find jurisdiction. Disclaimer: It has been many years since I attended law school so use the above information at your own risk.

livnluv said...

KateThe User said...

snip....On another note, I always thought it was strange that Kate insisted Jon's name be on the book as a co-author. Seems to me, this was her way of getting two thirds of the profits from the book sales, rather than splitting the proceeds in half with Beth.
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great observation. I too always thought it strange that Kate was willing to include Jon. I was NOT surprised she excluded Beth. What you say makes sense.

Twins get No Fanfare said...

Do you think the twins are noticing the difference between Mommy w/ film crew & Mommy without?? I was just thinking of the sextuplets 3rd birthday when Mady was jealous of the "carnival theme" & how that got cool things & then remembered this past 5th birthday big party with bouncy houses & friends, pinatas,TLC....And the twins just had a birthday with just Mom & Dad not speaking to each other, no camera crew, no photos...How sad when they figure it out.

Hey Wifey said...

nurse2 said...
Something that I saw was on the interviewing couch at least 2x's Jon said "my wife", and Kate corrected him and said "Kate".Things that go Hmmm
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kate had always corrected Jon when he referred to her as "my wife." A lot of women find it possesive and archaic. My mom HATES it when my dad uses that phrase. I don't think its such a big deal, because you can just call him "my husband," but I know a lot of women who find it offensive.

jonandkatewho? said...

I worry about Kate possibly going for full custody over Jon.

One thing that makes this not quite as probable is that a court can order psychological evaluations in a case where one parent is claiming the other to be a bad parent or unstable. All parties must take part in the psych evals, and Kate would probably do anything to not have to be evaluated. I would think she would be afraid of what they might find.

I hope that keeps her from trying to get full custody. I think it would be totally horrible for those kids if she tried and won.

Boy, she should live in my state. I can tell you that not only are mothers no longer favored, our state seems to be going too far in the right direction by trying to make up for all the years that moms were favored. The standard in the state is joint custody with equal parenting time for mom and dad. However, in this state we have some pretty messed up courts where the judges are not ethical. It is not too hard for a person with the right amount of money or connections to claim the other parent is "unstable" or some such and gain custody. Of course this requires participation in the plot by more than one entity.

There are always other people involved. It won't just be about Jon and Kate, simple, cut and dried facts presented in this case. It will probably be a big mess.

The really sad part is that both of these parents are acting unstable right now. I just hope the she-devil does not get full custody. If she lived in my state, it wouldn't happen without her undergoing a psych eval.

karma train, i hear it comin' said...

bcsurvivor2001 said...

The Women's Conference is coming up in about 2 weeks (10/27)....I see she is still listed as a "speaker". When you click on her name - this is what appears below her picture as her bio I guess?

"How She Empowers OthersKate Gosselin keeps very busy with her 8 children (8 year old twins and 5 year old sextuplets). Featured in TLC's show, Jon & Kate Plus Eight, Kate enjoys spending time with her family, traveling with her children and cooking. She also is the author of two books, Multiple Blessings and Eight Little Faces, and is currently working on her next book project"
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i believe i read somewhere that she was working on a cookbbok (again). perhaps with another publisher??

choo choo! karma train is comin' said...

don't forget all those years Jon got the twins up and off to school...and left the grinch her coffee as PER ORDERED next to the nightstand. she has 6 babies, and sleeps in until 7am??
i have a large family (6 kids, ages 10-22), and it made my schedule run much easier to:
1 make lunches the night before.
2 get out pans/plates/etc for the morning's breakfast (yes, i cooked breakfast!)
3. get out kid's school outfits the night before.
4 have all backpacks next to the door (alongside shoes and jackets)

it also helped to get up at 5am, that way i can fold the clothes in the dryer, throw another load in the dryer, take the dog out, read the paper, etc.
that way, i am fully awake, have things already done before starting to wake kids at 6a.m.
and it did it all by myself and without any sticky notes!!!

kate has to be the least organized person i have ever seen. she is laughable.
she has no clue what exhausted really is.

CopyGirl said...

jonandkatewho? said:
Boy, she should live in my state. I can tell you that not only are mothers no longer favored, our state seems to be going too far in the right direction by trying to make up for all the years that moms were favored. The standard in the state is joint custody with equal parenting time for mom and dad. However, in this state we have some pretty messed up courts where the judges are not ethical. It is not too hard for a person with the right amount of money or connections to claim the other parent is "unstable" or some such and gain custody. Of course this requires participation in the plot by more than one entity.

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I'm in California and that's the "standard" custody arrangement that most California family law courts try to follow, unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. As a single mom, I've raised my son by myself for these past 11 years. At one point, his dad came back into the picture and he threatened briefly to go for custody, full or 50/50. I spoke to an attorney then and that's when I learned that courts most often try to "split the time equally" between the parents.

If Jon is seeking 50% custody (and as we know, he can easily show that he is a hands on dad and good with the children), then if PA courts are following the trend, he should have no problem in getting 50% custody.

Neither Jon nor Kate are the "perfect" parent in this scenario, but unless there is evidence of physical abuse, drug use, abuse of alcohol, or something else criminal, the courts try not to get bogged down in personalities. Often in divorces, neither parent is acting their best and judges see this every day.

In other words, I think they'll award 50/50 custody because there is no reason not to.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

cheryl, you're correct as far as Beth is concerned. She was not seen since the UT ep of '08. Many believe this was because the Ice Princess used Beth and her daughter like their personal slaves while she and Jon went out without the kids on TLC's dime.

Jodi was seen several times since the UT ep (most notably during the hair-plugs ep, when the Ice Princess and Jon traipse cross-country to mooch for more free cosmetic surgery, while all 8 of the kids who are sick were dumped in Jodi's care). However like many people, Jodi was cut out completely sometime around the summer/spring of '08 when the Ice Princess could not use and manipulate her any further.

Come and Get Your Popcorn said...

Good catch on the book deal w/ Beth, Jon and Kate. I never thought of that. I noticed she didn't put anybody else name on Eight Little Faces and I think that actually outsold the other one. That is the money she is hiding. Things should get really interesting in court tomorrow as Jon has counter-claimed that Kate is hiding money and is in contempt of court for not coming clean as ordered. What a mess. Poor little Gosselins.

all aboard the karma express said...

isn't it a 'tradition' to pick out pumpkins??? as far as i remember, they only did that 'tradition' once.

how many other 'traditions' have they not followed through on?
i think the christmas caroling is one...any others???

momwhocares said...

I have a really off the wall and stupid question that I didn't know where to ask so I figured I would put it hear.

Does anyone know what Bakery Kate got the peanut butter cake that they had a the sixtuplets 5th birthday party?

My son loves peanut butter and I thought he would like the cake for his up coming birthday.

anotherthing... said...

rural mom said...
Why are people so curious about Beth and Bob? I recall Beth saying she sought out Kate soon after the Tups were born, offering to be one of the volunteers rotating through the home. When Kate saw Beth's mansion she made Beth her BFF. TLC used Bob as a cover story for Jon, the so called IT job didn't exist, TLC just knew viewers would tune out if both parents were living off reality show paycheques. Beth wrote Multiple Blessings and TLC sent Kate out for the book tour. I suspect that ended Beth's desire to help Kate. Jon said in an interview in Utah (he is wearing a hat) that Bob and Beth chose to quit filming because their privacy was too invaded by fans. That sounds right to me.

10/11/2009 4:01 PM
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that is a very good point and a probably very accurate story.

i think people are very interested because kate picks a new BFF for a week, chews them up and spits them out....

and people want to know why, i guess. i/we/they want to know if what we assume about kate is fact, and by finding out about beth and why shes no longer in the picture it helps connect the dots.

also because beth seems so genuine, so sweet, kind and classy. certainly kates opposite... and it would be so very ineresting to know why beth walked away.

weve all said previously that beth would be too gracious/classy to give us the low down/dirt on how kate is with the kds, how she treated jon and if she is infact as aweful as we think. but somehow, knowing what happened to beth would help us see the bigger pic.

jonandkatewho? said...

Anonymous CopyGirl said...

I'm in California and that's the "standard" custody arrangement that most California family law courts try to follow, unless there is a compelling reason to do otherwise. As a single mom, I've raised my son by myself for these past 11 years. At one point, his dad came back into the picture and he threatened briefly to go for custody, full or 50/50. I spoke to an attorney then and that's when I learned that courts most often try to "split the time equally" between the parents.

If Jon is seeking 50% custody (and as we know, he can easily show that he is a hands on dad and good with the children), then if PA courts are following the trend, he should have no problem in getting 50% custody.

Neither Jon nor Kate are the "perfect" parent in this scenario, but unless there is evidence of physical abuse, drug use, abuse of alcohol, or something else criminal, the courts try not to get bogged down in personalities. Often in divorces, neither parent is acting their best and judges see this every day.

In other words, I think they'll award 50/50 custody because there is no reason not to.

10/12/2009 11:35 AM

Presuming the judge is not biased for some reason you may be right. We also have a court system in my state where they "cut the child in half" (lawyers often speak of it this way). However, in smaller areas of the state with a "good ole boys network" often do not go along with the standard, and there are ways a crafty lawyer can make someone look really bad with little to no misbehavior on their parts. Trust me, it doesn't take proof of abuse or neglect, or drug abuse or drinking, to lose custody of one's child. Many women are experiencing being noncustodial moms these days and sometimes there is no good reason for it.

It just depends on the judge and the laws to some extent. Judges are just ordinary people too, and they are not all ethical.

I think Jon and Kate have much that could be used against one another if either cares to battle for full custody.

anotherthing... said...

suzi said...

"Even though the babies were thriving at a year, Kate filed a Petition to extend the babies’ nursing care and claimed the babies were disabled. In her application she stated that since society encourages the use of fertility medication, it was society’s responsibility to raise the children. John Grogan (the author of Marley & Me) was working for the Philadelphia Inquirer at the time and interviewed them. Kate said that leaving her home by herself to care for 8 children was “not fair.” In the published article, Grogan says that although he went into the interview wanting to feel sympathetic toward Kate, Kate’s inability to accept any responsibility for her plight, her sense of entitlement and her inflexibility made it impossible for him to feel kindly to her at all. Kate's Petition was declined."
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this STILL. FRIES. ME. seriously.

im certain that this is still how kate feels, too. TLC or *someone* SHOULD pay for her household things. she deserves it. she has 8 kids and the only one to blame for it all is society.

omg i would love to run into her at target like one of you posters did.

(and come to think of it... since by her account, the kids are 'disabled' ...wouldnt that even further limit the time they would be allowed infront of the cameras?)

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