About Those Truly Hazardous Doritos


I’ve been thinking about Kate’s first day on The View, and how proud she was that her kids don’t know what a Dorito is (insert rambling about Mommy, what are these triangular looking things?)

Oh, Kate. You’ve sheltered them from Doritos, but not papparazi, hurtful remarks to their father or cameras in the bathroom. I’m not going to take this opportunity to grill you about the divorce; you’re certainly not the first person to hash it out in public.

I just want you to take that Dorito comment and dare to expand your horizons. Think big. What if your kids could live in a world where they didn’t know what a stretch limo or a bodyguard was? Yes, I hear (but don’t see) your point: this is their normal, so let’s try some more attainable dreams.
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Season Five said...

Imagine your little ones in a home where babysitters only come once a week, and imagine her leaving that same said day, too. I know, it’s wild, isn’t it? Imagine attending the kids school functions, their graduations, their weddings…. in the same room as their dad, and maybe his future wife. Imagine your kids never having to choose who to invite or exclude, out of guilt.

Imagine them in ten or twenty years finally forgiving your decision to have their fragile childhoods scripted and filmed. Imagine your apology to them, and your regret.

If none of that works for you, imagine them in a year or two, when they buck at some of the suggestions TLC, or whatever production company holds their contract, strongly suggests for them. At this rate, they will run out of activities to try before they are twelve. Pottery? Dance lessons? Music lessons? Camping? Meet and Greets at the Harlem Globetrotters, Jonas Bros, etc? Been there, done that.

You’ll be longing for the days when they simply rebelled by jumping in the pool.

How about you moms and dads out there? Maybe you could share what you shelter your own children from (besides Doritos.)

Robin said...

Made my day! lol great post

Lisa said...

I shelter my kids from having a mother who brow beats and berates their father right in front of them. I shelter my kids from feeling that if they get a little dirty or sticky I am going to be furious with them. I shelter my kids from thinking that boys and girls cannot enjoy the same activities together. These are just a couple of things right off the top of my head....

Harriet said...

I sheltered my kids from being on TV or in movies when they were too young to understand the decision. I sheltered my kids from the details of our divorce. I sheltered my kids from being spoiled and being brats. I sheltered my kids from having too much of their lives exposed to the world or recorded.

missing the picture, Kate said...

Loved the post, Season 5. Amazing how proud Kate is over something so insignificant as Doritos but completely in denial as to the damage her greed, selfishness, and vindictive attacks on the kids' father have hurt everyone, including herself. And you know what? I don't believe her anyway. Even if she's never fed them Doritos, the kids have never seen them at the store or vending machines, never seen their friends eating them and never seen an ad for them? So full of it. "What are these triangular things" my ass.

Kate said...

Don't forget sheltering your kids from loving a family pet only to have it ripped away from you.

Lauren said...

Kate always says that the show provided the kids with more opportunities they wouldn't normally have had.

So much so young isn't all that and a bag of chips. Will they even remember the special trips and realize their importance? I hear they went to Washington D.C. to see the Smithsonian. Did the little kids or the twins realize the significance of Washington D.C.? Probably not because they are so young.

It's like they have done so much so young that they don't really have anything to look forward to.

In a strange twist, the opportunities provided by the show have actually been detrimental to the kids. Their normal is not "normal." So what happens when they get older and are treated like everyone else and the notoriety of bieng a Gosselin has faded? Those kids are going to need some serious therapy.

cdnmom47 said...

I shelter my kids from watching exploitative reality shows like 'Jon and Kate Plus 8'.

Seriously...I just try to ensure they live well rounded lives...lives full of love, acceptance, lots of hugs and lots of communicating. I don't 'shelter' them, but I protect them as best I can and try to keep them safe.

LunchBoxEnvy said...

Does anyone really believe that the twins haven't had Doritos? They eat lunch at school, and I'm sure they trade with friends. I bet they've eaten all sorts of goodies (or at least longed to)! Denying children foods that their friends get can lead to eating disorders later on. (I do NOT mean that they should get everything they want -- moderation is the key)

Ohio Buckeye said...

What a wonderful post that gets right to the very heart of K8's hypocrisy.

Lesson here is (as always with K8): everything is always about K8. Bragging on TV that her kids do not know about Doritos is so classic K8: the superficial message is "I love my children so much I don't allow them to have junkfood. Ever." But the REAL message beneath that is: "See what a superior mother I am" (emphasis on "I").

Ditto with K8's making a big deal about the use of the word "papparazi" (sp?) - first she teaches the children this word, then she pretends to the camera that her children using the word she taught them 'would just sound so tacky'. Missing the boat AGAIN, K8. Yes, use of that word in describing their life may be seen as tacky. But nowhere NEAR as 'tacky' as the mother who has done everything in her power to keep this word a reality in her children's lives.

In summary, I'd want to protect my kids from a maternal example (on so many levels, so many issues) of Kate Gosselin. First and foremost of these levels and issues is hypocrisy. I would never want my kids to have my personal day to day life an example that models such a glaring chasm between the words I say vs. the life that I live.

Also have to just add that I would want to protect my kids from ANYONE whose consistent behavior was to show everyone in proximity a complete lack of respect and kindness. This means YOU, K8.

Come and Get Your Popcorn said...

I used to watch JK8 with my kids now I shelter from that show. The kids may be sheltered from Doritos but not from candy, oh it's organic, I forgot. I also shelter my kids from not being refused water, particularly when I have a nice bottled water for myself.

She is truly whacko said...

It goes to show how out of touch Kate is with reality. She'll show the little one's POOP across the world, but they can't have a Dorito!! She is about as nuts as they come and that statement wrapped it all up. (Gee what a Mom) "no Dorito's for you, but wait, you can hug the bodyguard's legs if you'd like!" She doesn't KNOW what normal is to the kids.
She's whacko.

franky said...

I shelter my child from what I lived through with my own "Khate" mother...

I shelter her from being brow-beaten and yelled at for insignifant detail-fluff ( clean room, crumbs on floor, stained clothing, blowing whistles or chewing gum)

I shelter her from those who would detract her from being a child and having a childhood ( playing and being free, script-free) to belly-laugh as only the truly free can)

I shelter her by taking in all the lost animals she brings home and finding them a new permanent home or keeping them. I shelter her from the knowledge that one day said pets won't be here when she gets home ( at 3 dogs, a turtle and rat, all rescued, she knows they will never leave for any unnatural reason)

I shelter my child by treating her with respect and teaching her through my own actions that she is worthy of respect, anything less is unacceptable.(If she does not want to broadcast private moments, she knows they will not be ..privacy is not just a word here..it is a right)

Because childhood is but a few short, but so important few years...she has the rest of her life to be an adult.

I truly believe one day she will thank me for sheltering her..she already does once in a while ( best thanks I could ever wish for)

Unconditional love is just that...and ALL love is based on respect.

Pilgrim Soul said...

I think pretty much everyone on this blog realized that Kate's values are not only skewed, but determinental to the longterm mental health of her children. The germ/clean thing alone is enough to have them on the couch 5 days a week. These kids have a sad, sad life, despite the plethora of material goods and outings. I re-read the letter from the surviving Dionne quints to the Gosselins the other day, and boy, it broke my heart. You have to pretty thick skinned to ignore that advice, particularly one it applies to your own children. Of course, Mother knows best ;)

Midnight Serenade said...

"Ditto with K8's making a big deal about the use of the word "papparazi" (sp?) - first she teaches the children this word, then she pretends to the camera that her children using the word she taught them 'would just sound so tacky'."

A few "seasons" ago, when the children first asked why all of those camera people are taking their pictures, she told them it's because they are so cute and it was so unusual for have all of those babies born at one time. Now she teaches them to aim cannons at them and shoot the p-people. In their little minds, how can they understand why they are pointing a weapon at someone who is taking photos of them because they are cute?

sugarjay said...

Kate is such a moron that she can't even see how ridiculous it is to go on about banning doritos when we've seen her feed her kids pizza hut. Seriously, what redeeming nutritional quality does pizza hut have? None. They might as well be eating McDonald's. But she feeds them that as a meal and denies them a couple of doritos that she could send to school with an otherwise healthy lunch. I would bet money that at least a few of those kids grow up to have eating disorders.

Kate has no logic. She started screaming because she didn't want them eating the strawberries leftover from the flag cake, sent the one kid to time out for asking for a bagel twice, took away the birthday cupcakes from the boys, but fed them monkey munch, pizza hut, pancakes and syrup, sticky buns and hot cocoa as a breakfast, wtf? Very odd, and only proves that all she really cares about is control and not nutrition JMO.

Midwest Mom said...

For me, it's not so much as "sheltering" as it is some proper life lessons.

Like.....just because it says "organic" doesn't make a lollipop nutritious. As a prior poster stated, moderation in everything.

A nutritious lunch consists of more than crackers, grapes and peanut butter-with-organic-fluff sandwiches.

Growing up means taking responsibility for your own actions, such as not expecting your mother to wipe your hiney when you are 5 years old, and more importantly, learning how to work things out when you get into a tussle with your siblings, instead of running to mom/screaming/hitting.

And perhaps, just perhaps, that your grandparents still love you and should be part of your lives, even if they didn't give you matching cribs when you were born.

I Love Doritos And Fritos, Kate! said...

She is truly whacko said...
It goes to show how out of touch Kate is with reality. She'll show the little one's POOP across the world, but they can't have a Dorito!! She is about as nuts as they come and that statement wrapped it all up. (Gee what a Mom) "no Dorito's for you, but wait, you can hug the bodyguard's legs if you'd like!" She doesn't KNOW what normal is to the kids.
She's whacko.
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Before I start, let me applaud the moms who already have posted comments on this topic ahead of me; you are my heroes. Thank you for being such great moms for your kids.

But, funny-sad thing about the mention of poop, I don't know why in random thoughts something will pop up about Gosselins (infuriating!) but, it happens. This morning as I was picking up around the house (y'all know how we "putter"), I remembered the famous J&K+8 episode where Kate was selecting bedroom furniture for the kids but Collin was miserable from constipation. It was a rather awkward thing I don't think should have been filmed or had audio, out of respect for dear Collin (I'm pretty sure it was Collin...wasn't it Collin?) but, again, where Kate couldn't be bothered, guess who took over and helped his little son? As a mother, wouldn't you look to the camera and say, "We need a time-out; I need to go help my little boy. Please put it on 'pause' for a minute." You can't tell me that the Gosselin parents didn't have that kind of authority with the crew. The point is, however, that Kate's "missing chip" failed her again. She waved off her hurting kid while she made a big drama over studying furniture brochures and IT WAS JON AS USUAL who helped and he didn't even get upset about it but was compassionate toward his child.

I'd like to sit Jon down and have a real talk with him about some of the comments he's still making and what's behind some of his motivations but, look, he's getting the kids off camera and that's what GWoPpers' pleas were, right? Jon is not going to abandon his children. I remember another episode, I think in the basement of the old house, when he exclaimed to Kate, "You don't play with them!" or some similar response to her nagging-complaining. Jon's far from a perfect parent, but if he plays with his kids and cares about his kids enough to stop TLC's filming, it's a step in the right direction.

Besides which, it wasn't him who wanted to get rid of the dogs. I don't think giving up the dogs was an easy choice for him. I tend to trust people who love dogs. I tend to not trust people who are in love with inanimate objects. I think you get my drift.

Not a fan of either said...

Imagine taking your children to the bus stop without being hounded by paps in their face and the snarky comments following their every precious step. Imagine Cara pulling the hair out of her hidden face and smiling more often. Imagine a home where grandparents, friends (real friends), aunts, uncles, and cousins were welcome. Imagine a home filled with love and kindness instead of a cold, sterile environment where everyone treads softly. Imagine not having to hang your head in shame someday when some hateful adversary pulls out a picture of your poop for all to see. Wow. Doritos seem so tame by comparison.

Pony said...

I sheltered my kids from very little unless something was inappropriate like horror movies in kindergarten - now that I think about it. What I did for my kids was teach them right from wrong, teach them to be kind and caring, love them unconditionally, provide for all their needs (food, shelter, medical care, clothing and education), and let them be kids.

I did shelter them from being over-scheduled and from being forced to live out my dreams or their father's dreams. Instead, I encouraged them to follow their own dreams. I provided them with information so they could make good decisions, and I provided them with consequences when they made bad decisions. I let them get dirty - and solve as many of their own problems as possible. I let them lie in the yard and contemplate the sky, sit on the porch roof and eat popsicles, and try almost any activity they wanted - but made them finish the course or the season even if they changed their mind mid-stream.

Pamela Jaye said...

offhand thoughts

I believe the Dionnes' letter was not to the Gosselins, but the McCaugheys or Dilleys (I forget). I would haved loved from them to have written to Kate but it would not ave mattered.

I can relate to franky (except that it was my father)

I just while reading this wondered what it was that made Kate this way (her "every moment of our lives was on video tape" before the sextuplets just now struck me as weird). I'm assuming her siblings were normal. She went to nursing school (RN, LPN, CNA? anyone know?) but she was afraid of germs? did her patients ever vomit on her? Nursing is - among other things - a caring art. How could Kate fit in that world?

As for the serious therapy while the kids need ASAP (and which I bet Kate fears terribly), we should hasten to add: kids, it's not your fault and never was. You just need some deprogramming.

I've been told that today children do not have unstructured playtime to play in the backyard as when we were kids, or to visit friends, but there are karate classes, and other afterschool programs, and "playdates" by appointment. (and I suddenly remember skipping Summer Rec to play at a friend's house and getting in trouble).

My best friend and her family sit down together on Monday nights to watch Chuck. It's novel for them, but her kids were generally stay-at-homes like my brother and I - unlike most other kids our age.

What *is* childhood these days? I only get glimpses from cousins' kids on Facebook

Pamela Jaye said...

I was attempting to explain Grey's Anatomy, specifically Meredith's family to a friend the other day, and for shorthand said her mother was like Kate (except she was demanding of "great things") and her father was like Jon before the Epiphany (except he was *actually* completely absent after the divorce). He was very passive in the face of all the abuse.

Of course Meredith was an "only child" whose mother brought her to work before dumping her rather than one of many whose mother brought work to them.

I sincerely hope Jon hangs on to his Epiphany.

Maude said...

It what world does a child who needs subtitles use the word "triangular"?

Two clueless idiots said...

I have a daughter who will be 9 next week, so exactly Mady and Cara's age. From the time she was a small baby, I sheltered my daughter from people who wanted go get her into modeling and commercials. Although she is a strikingly beautiful child (if I do say so myself!) with unusual coloring, we, her parents decided that that was not the direction we wanted to steer her in. We have been approached, unsolicited, several times over the years by photographers and agents who want to work with her. However, we didn't want her to value her looks over her character. We didn't want her to feel like she had to "perform" or look a certain way to be successful. We didn't want her appearance to dictate her self-worth. We didn't want her to feel like the approval or attention of others was an indication of her value. The modeling and commercial thing just didn't feel right and didn't line up with the values we wanted to instill in her. Although a fat college fund from modeling fees would be a blessing, it's just not worth compromising the values we feel are important. Guess what? I'm a NURSE, and I go to WORK in a HOSPITAL at NIGHT to contribute to her college fund...I'm working a physical and demanding job to support my child.

I guess that's a huge difference between me and J&K - I wouldn't sell my child's privacy, innocence or character for any amount of money or material possession in the world. There is nothing that is worth my child's emotional security, values, character and innocence - no amount of money, no house, no exotic trip...NOTHING!

My daughter does have an appreciation of some nacho cheese Doritos on occasion though! She even has a non-organic lollipop on occasion. I guess I'm a horrible parent :)))

ErinKate said...

Doritos are harmful.

Having your kids traumatized by their parents constant battle to be King or Queen of the tabloids is not harmful at all. Ask them in 10 years.

Now that I will watch.

ErinKate said...

I don't shelter my kids from the show for this reason: We don't watch much but if I do tune in, I always tell my kids to watch how the kids interact with each other and other kids, if there are any. Is is something I won't apologize for since they are broadcasting it for entertainment purposes. I am always rewarded when my kids point out to me how mean and nasty all the Gosselin kids are. They are especially amazed at how horrible one or two of the girl sextuplets alway is towards others. There is a lesson to be learned here.

OverwithKON~~~~ said...

So telling about exactly how clueless the stupid bitch is.

My kids dont know waht a dorito is butt.......

p people follow them to the bus

they went to our fake wedding

they cannot see family

and I got rid of the only pet they have.

They have a great life, THIS IS THEIR NORMAL!

ROFLPMP! Great post!

MBach said...

So much of these kids lives have been lived JUST to film the show. Every family trip, new experience, doctor visits, denists, and haircuts. Come on, how can any mother think that is good and normal for her child? The fun stuff they do, the toys they play with, the people they meet are all just part of the show that is their lives.

The trip to Smithsonian WAS filmed to be part of the show, and as another commercial within the show, as promotion for the movie Night At the Museum 2. However, all the news of Jon in the bars etc. became publc just before the film's debut, and it was too much to link to a family film. So although it was already filmed for J&K+8 it was never shown.

The kids couldn't go to NY with Kate/hate and see the Statue of Liberty BECAUSE they weren't going to be able to be filmed. WTF! Do they live their lives only to be filmed? Sadly, the answer has been yes.

Kate/hate has linked any fun family time, any reason for mommny to even spend time with them as part of the show. If the kids really cried when the TLC crew went away, then it is because their 'loving' mom told them what she threatened all their lives - You will never see me again.

Again I say, thank you Jon. Any time away from the camera is good time for the kids. Let Kate/hate do whatever she wants, on her own and by herself. Just let the kids be children and not commodities.

fidosmommy said...

Not a fan of either said...
Imagine taking your children to the bus stop without being hounded by paps in their face and the snarky comments following their every precious step. Imagine Cara pulling the hair out of her hidden face and smiling more often. Imagine a home where grandparents, friends (real friends), aunts, uncles, and cousins were welcome. Imagine a home filled with love and kindness instead of a cold, sterile environment where everyone treads softly. Imagine not having to hang your head in shame someday when some hateful adversary pulls out a picture of your poop for all to see. Wow. Doritos seem so tame by comparison.

*****

Beautiful, and amen.

GWoP's Great, Giving Moms said...

(Excerpt, for space): "I let them lie in the yard and contemplate the sky, sit on the porch roof and eat popsicles, and try almost any activity they wanted - but made them finish the course or the season even if they changed their mind mid-stream."
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Pony, I've read a lot of your comments over the months and, let me please say, I am requesting you for my mom in the next life. I would like to be as well-adjusted and prepared for life as your kids!

Triangular, Of Course said...

Maude said...
It what world does a child who needs subtitles use the word "triangular"?
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Exactly.

The Believability Factor.

It's not out of the mouths of babes.

Momof2 said...

All we can conclude from that is that Kate is not a paid spokesperson for Frito-Lay...nor do they give her any freebies...

....unless that was her way of dropping a *hint*....cough Free Doritos cough

Pamela Jaye said...

there was something I was thinking earlier that got lost.

People say that Jon is/was having an early midlife crisis but that wasn't it.

He was having his teenage rebellion.

It's quite possible someone or many people, have already said this, of course.

Kate treated him like a child (or worse!) and he was just coming out from under. I don't know what his life was like before she met him and planned it all for him.

mrat said...

A balanced article from slate.com on the Gosselin divorce, Jon's withdrawal of the money, and the halt to filming. Too bad this author won't be making the rounds on the morning/cable news circuit.

http://www.doublex.com/section/arts/kate-gosselin-does-not-deserve-our-pity?page=0,0

Midnight Serenade said...

"The kids couldn't go to NY with Kate/hate and see the Statue of Liberty BECAUSE they weren't going to be able to be filmed. WTF! Do they live their lives only to be filmed? Sadly, the answer has been yes."

This is why we know they are "working" and it's not a documentary. If they were filming their "normal" lives, TLC would have just been along for the ride. Because it was "scheduled," (and therefore directed and dictated) it became a work trip.

TandLMommy28 said...

I have sheltered my children from greed by saying "no" when they ask for things -- even though most of the time I can afford to buy the things they beg for.

I have sheltered my children from confusing material possessions with real love by giving them the gift of my time -- both on a daily basis and for special events such as birthdays and holidays. And the special things we do on these days involve two parents who are both there and both involved. Not sitting on our butts watching the children making their own memories but in the moment with them helping them create those memories.

Midnight Serenade said...

"If none of that works for you, imagine them in a year or two, when they buck at some of the suggestions TLC, or whatever production company holds their contract, strongly suggests for them. At this rate, they will run out of activities to try before they are twelve. Pottery? Dance lessons? Music lessons? Camping? Meet and Greets at the Harlem Globetrotters, Jonas Bros, etc? Been there, done that."

So very true. What will the "withdrawal" be like? They have become so accustomed to doing things and going places that many people only dream about. Will they be able to adjust to life without the perks without feeling a huge let-down? The sense of entitlement had already begun. She thought it would never end, and I don't think either one of the parents had planned for the time when the end would finally come.

KateDoesn'tHaveAClue said...

The kids couldn't go to NY with Kate/hate and see the Statue of Liberty BECAUSE they weren't going to be able to be filmed. WTF! Do they live their lives only to be filmed? Sadly, the answer has been yes.__________________________

Sadly, this is the problem. Kate will only do things with her kids if the camera is rolling. It has never occured to her that normal parents do things outside of the camera. And without all of her hired help.

BTW- One thing that has always bothered me about the body guard is that I could actually understand this if she was worried about one of her kids getting snatched, but it seems Kate feels it is more important for her to have someone to protect HER! Who is going to snatch her? The answer is NO ONE!

BadViewofKate said...

Katedoesnthaveaclue said:

"it is more important for her to have someone to protect HER! Who is going to snatch her? The answer is NO ONE!"

One could only hope tho'. One can only hope.

[and not in a mean, nefarious way - just snatch her off of TV and her "sightings" by the Paps" ridiculous.]

jasmine said...

Who is she kidding? If Kate was offered a Dorito commercial, she would eat the entire bag saying how delicious they are and she would take a free year's supply with all the other snacks the company makes to feed her kids.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Jasmine said K8 would snatch up a chance to do a Doritos ad in a blink of an eye.......SO TRUE!

Just like Suzanne Sommers first sold vitamins and books about maintaining good health but then went on to sell deep fryers on QVC.

Whatever brings in the attention, bucks, fame.

K8's soul was sold long ago.
So why not sell Doritos.

How Moms Should Be! said...

Two Clueless Idiots (partial quote): "My daughter does have an appreciation of some nacho cheese Doritos on occasion though! She even has a non-organic lollipop on occasion. I guess I'm a horrible parent." :)))
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I read your entire comment...twice. You are not a horrible parent...you are a dream parent...a wonderful parent. Don't ever forget it!

I have enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. If I was a new parent, I would print off all of you moms' incredible insights and lessons so that I could follow suit. How did you all get to be so wise? Thank you all for being the kind of moms we could only hope for the Gosselin children. Kate's the one who should copy all the tips here...make a little handbook and refer to it daily. (Hey, I can dream...)

livnluv said...

GWoP's Great, Giving Moms said...
(Excerpt, for space): "I let them lie in the yard and contemplate the sky, sit on the porch roof and eat popsicles, and try almost any activity they wanted - but made them finish the course or the season even if they changed their mind mid-stream."
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Pony, I've read a lot of your comments over the months and, let me please say, I am requesting you for my mom in the next life. I would like to be as well-adjusted and prepared for life as your kids!
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I'd like for you to be my mom now. But alas, I'm already sixty.

livnluv said...

re: the kids withdrawal from all the perks they've been getting:

I don't remember where I read it online (I've read way too much in the last few days), but anyway, Jon said something like, the kids don't care about the perks, the travel, the always doing something. They want to stay home, play in the pool, roll in the grass... you know, the "normal" things kids do. I can understand that and I'm hoping it's the truth.

We Don't Chew Gum When We're 3 said...

Kate does not know how to appreciate the simple things in life. She thinks bigger is always better. I agree the twins have tried many foods at lunchtime that Mommy Dearest would NOT approve of.

I can picture Mady saying "I'll trade you this organic grape for a bite of that Twinkie"

Look how she flipped out when Aunt Jodi gave them gum!! WTF?? She had poor Joel almost on the verge of
not being abale to breathe he was sobbing so hard because she was going to throw his bear away. What mother with any compassion would throw a 3 year olds lovey away??

She then tried to get the gum off with "Organic Peanut Butter No Less"

If I evre see you in Real Life Kate, I will smack the hell outta you.

not a mean girl said...

I think tabloids are more harmful than Doritos. Seriously.

If Kate tells me that there's no mean kids talking trash about the Gosselin drama in Cara and Mady school, I want to know what school it is. I am going to transfer my kids there.

It's not just bullies and mean girls. Even curious schoolmates asking about your family problems can drive you crazy.

Be Flexible, Not Rigid said...

Look how she flipped out when Aunt Jodi gave them gum!! WTF?? She had poor Joel almost on the verge of
not being able to breathe he was sobbing so hard because she was going to throw his bear away. What mother with any compassion would throw a 3 year old's lovey away??
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WeDon'tChewGumWhenWe're3...interesting you brought up GumGate because I, like so many other former viewers of the reality show, can probably NEVER get over that horrible Mommie Dearest scene. It was stuff like that which rang scary bells in my head. It's also when it was a relief to find GWoP and learn that it wasn't just me who questioned what I was observing from the viewer's seat.

With Kate, we saw so many overreactions, it's amazing her kids can walk across a room without asking her permission.

I adopt dogs and have too many running all over the house at any given time. My newest orphaned puppy is nonstop pooping and peeing all over everything. My washing machine never stops but I know she'll eventually be housetrained. Sometimes I feel like screaming if I have to mop up one more mess off the blessedly-forgiving (but thrashed) hardwood floor. But I don't freak out, or threaten the dog and make her cower.

The bottom line is why on earth would you want to instill fear, undermine confidence and make confusion for puppies or little kids who don't have the ability to understand what you're going off about? If Kate acted that harshly around her kids for chewing gum and getting it stuck on something, what must her reactions be for bigger infractions?

Not to get into a food fight here on the blog (although this topic is much more than about Doritos, of course)...but (literally) having Doritos is SO not a big deal once in awhile with a sandwich, Kate! Try to achieve some balance! If you're having the kids eat well most of the time, occasional treats are okay. If you completely deny your kids, they're just going to overboard it later. It's what happened to me.

My "The Original Earth Chick-Mom" rarely had processed, store-bought food in the house. She made healthy oat cookies, throwing in what she had on hand (sometimes grated carrots and raisins). A few times per year, we might enjoy ice cream. A little bit of chocolate fudge for Christmas but never at any other time. Rarely was there a potato chip, and I didn't know what the taste of Coca-Cola was until I married my dear but soft-drink-addicted husband. In my adult life, I have indulged myself with all the foods I envied but didn't have when I was a kid (Oreos, candy, french fries and burgers, etc.). I hated going to school with my sack lunch...only two of us brought a lunch from home; everybody else in my small school bought the hot-lunch tray. I stuck out, and I didn't like it!

My intensely-frugal mom's attempts for healthy eating on a budget backfired. My very first, grown-up girl apartment away from home contained a frig full of all the banned foods at Mom's. (And, yes, I gained a ton of weight.) I feel it's better to grow up with some balance (how the real world lives and eats...sometimes good, sometimes naughty) and if that means an occasional portion of Doritos so the kids don't feel like oddballs around their friends who don't eat hummus on whole-grain crackers, what's the harm? Hummus is fine, but...just...BALANCE, okay?

Im_in_PR said...

....interesting you brought up GumGate because I, like so many other former viewers of the reality show, can probably NEVER get over that horrible Mommie Dearest scene. It was stuff like that which rang scary bells in my head. It's also when it was a relief to find GWoP and learn that it wasn't just me who questioned what I was observing from the viewer's seat.

Me too!!! I have a 5 year old also, he was born in June, while the tups were born in May. And when I saw that scene, it hit me hard how she was emotionally abusing her children.

Up to that point I'd always thought she was just totally stressed out and/or pms'ing all the time. (I hadn't seen enough shows to know how frighteningly frequent her abusive actions were.) But that did it for me. That and the way she attacked Jodi, after using her like a floor mat.

so funny said...

runwithwind said...

When Kate Gosselin speaks, she makes Snoop Dogg sound like one of the writers of the constitution.
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I can not quit laughing over this comment. So funny and so true.

orangetriangle said...

Great post!
The sad thing is, Doritos is probably a sponsor of TLC. She was probably paid to say that.

evillelinda said...

I was an early fan of J&K+8 but bowed out quickly. I do enjoy coming to this site to find out the latest as it helped cleared out why these people lives were being followed by news organizations. I did get tickled reading about the Doritos story. Let me share you mine. I come from a very large family...8 children. My mother had 6 single births and one set of twins, all between the months/years of October 1951 to November 1963. What a motley crew we were - one child after another. The local press took some interest in us and did a story but when they returned for the follow up, our parents politely closed the door. Because you see in our church (Catholic) and our neighborhood (primarily Catholic) a family the size of ours was not unusual. One of my fondest memories was grocery store day. My mom would load us all in the station wagon and head out. She would spend her budget and return home with enough food to feed our army for a few days. Treats were seldom provided, not because she was into a health regimen but rather the cost. So I grew up like other without tasting the hire end cookies such as Oreos, or any type of soda...we drank water or milk. A couple moved across the street from us and they had only 3 children but boy the treats their cupboards held. Not only the beloved Oreos but also Devils Food Cakes (not the cardboardy ones they sell today) as well as bags of chips and soda. Needless to say...we loved visiting this family especially at snack time. My mother never gave a d*mn if we were having a couple of cookies, a handful of chips, or a coke at the neighbors. What she worried about was having enough food on the table to feel her family of 10. And I don't mean a handful of grapes. We had a hot meal everynight with meat, potatoes, 2 vegetables and bread & gravy. Can't explain that treat if you'd never had it. For breakfast we all ate oatmeal, none of the quick stuff you see today, just the long slow cook variety along with toast. Lunch was a sandwich and an apple. And always always...drinking several glasses of water & milk a day. Guess what..we turned out great. No serious diseases, all of us still fit as fiddles in our late ages. So the main difference between what the Gosselin children have experienced is not just the food...but being with a real family that involved each to help in meal prep and cleanup and a time around the dinner table to share stories. And then of course a dash to the neighbors when we could for those oreos, devilsfood cookies and sodas. We had each other, we had a close family, we had wonderful neighbors who welcomed us as part of their family just as we welcomed them. And my parents managed to do all this in a 1-1/2 story house with a total of 1800 square feet including the finished basement which contained bedrooms, family room and laundry room. My parents had two cars, an old pontiac my dad drove to his 2 jobs...one full time one part time. Mom drove a chevy station wagon that we all managed to squeeze in. Zoom forward 50 years and we no longer have our parents but we do have each other and we are strong in our love. It is sad to know that another 8 out there probably won't ever know the fun and joy I experienced, living in a situation that would be called hand to mouth in a small home but surrounded by those who cared. By the way, with the direction showed us by our parents, all of my sisters' children (the boys of the family never had any) have been raised closely together. Their extended cousins are more like sisters and brothers. And let me tell you...holidays are a blast when we all get together. I pray that maybe just one little part of what I have had given to me as being in a big family is showered down to the Gosselin 8.

Emily the Great and Terrible said...

This is the same woman who says her kids have never had fast food when they have been filmed with fast food cups on their bedside tables.

A real neat freak would never let kids have sugary drinks in their rooms btw.

It's all fake with her. (yawn) so done with it.

not so smart said...

Trust me, the tups could never use the word "triangular."

logical said...

this is what i have to say about 'special trips and gifts'---you can make any day special with your child!!! all it takes is time and love....and those are both free, image that!!

kimmer said...

I'm a fan of Kate's, or was. I don't know. I like(d) the show. I wouldn't have included myself as a "sheeple" though.

Anyways, very good post. That's one thing I never did like about Kate is that she always came off as self-righteous. You know, with the whole organic stuff.

My oldest daughter is 4 1/2. She's had a few doritos in her life. And some chips..but my goodness, if Kate is bragging that her kids don't even know what a doritos is, wow. I guess she has to pick or find something in which to take pride in.

Suzi said...

Runwiththewind said...

When Kate Gosselin speaks, she makes Snoop Dogg sound like one of the writers of the constitution.

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You're hilarious!! Thanks for the laugh.

Snoop Dogg looks like the Dr. Sears of parenting next to Kate. I've only seen his show once, but I think there were more hugs and laughs in that episode than in all five seasons of J&K+8. And yes, more junk food, too... :)

memory making said...

I had a long talk with the now adult son of a friend. The friend prided herself on "creating special memories" of every holiday: hours and hours of from scratch baking, decorating, crafting, etc, etc. The Mom is so proud of how well she created these memories. The son said "what I remember is her melting down, screaming and making things miserable." Some memories. Listening, Kate?

stopthemadness said...

It's interesting that Kate t5hinks her kids not knowing what something is is a sign of good parenting. They also don't know what a chicken is, or what an elk is, or what anything in the entire hands on kids' museum is, etc etc I guess if you measure your worth as a mom by the children's ignorance she does get the crown of sorts.

I think the twins had to make the comment, as pointed out, the tups don't have those skills - and it's highly unlikely that one of them asked about the triangular shaped object. You can tell it's food by looking at it, and that being the case, they would leap on it and scarf it down, asking questions later!

bbeau said...

I've always taken this advice, I heard from a child psychologist, it was especially helpful when my kids were goiing through the teen years. Pick and choose your battles when deciding boundaries. Ask youself, will this matter and effec their lives in 6 months, 1 year, several years down the road?

Having your kids try a Dorito before they turn 18 will not have an effect on their life a few years from now.

Having the cameras in their face since they were little, publicly goiing through a nasty divorce. That WILL have an effect years from now.

Kate GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.

fidosmommy said...

RE: what you are all saying about this not being a documentary.

A documentary should be like a science project. You start with a hypothesis (your basic premise, what you want to prove) and then you do your experiment to prove your theory. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But you don't direct the results to suit yourself - you let the chips fall where they may. You may get "negative proof" - meaning your theory was wrong, something else was the correct theory - but your experiment is worth turning in anyway. You've learned something valuable from it.

If you nudge the results, start
injecting your bias, making your experiment go the way you want it to, adding too many variables, you sully the whole experiment.

This show began with the theory that raising 8 children is tough.
The experiment was to show that. But the results have been nudged, injected with the bias of the producers and now what we have is trash, no good for anything. The hypothesis was a good one ("it's tough") but the experiment has failed miserably because there were too many variables included in the mix. Some of those variables would be a mother who was ill fitted to be a mother, and a production crew that wouldn't let the story unfold without lots
and lots of input.

Documentary? I don't think so.

Kat_momof3 said...

I shelter my kids from thinking that Mommy has to keep picking their outfits and dressing them past the age of 2 (within reason), or whenever they start voicing an opinion.... from thinking that siblings have to dress alike (though if it is a day where there are going to be TONS of kids at a park, having them all in the same color is nice)....

I shelter them from thinking that they can't come in my room (without knocking and without the risk of "penalty of severeness") if they wake up at night... especially if they have a bad dream... and find compassion and... especially if they have a bad dream... hugs and a spot in my bed until they are of an age where they say... "thanks, Mommy, I'll go back to my bed now and try to go back to sleep"


I shelter my kids from the type of mom Kate and my own mother were/are.... I encourage my girl to be as rough and tumble as my boys, for my boys to be as open with their emotions and to be able to cry when they are sad as my girl.

I let boys and girls play with whetever toys they want, regardless of gender stereotypes, and I will play right along with them.

I hug all my kids every single day and tell them I love them (even if one of them is getting to the age where he acts like he doesn't need to hear it), expecting nothing in return.

I don't let birth order, size, or anything else dictate things in my home... everyone gets turns to do everything... even who goes first to take allergy pills at night.

I don't freak out about the messes... after all, dirt helps build the immune system.

I do not let my kids beat on each other... AT ALL. My daughter is 5 and her soccer coach and I are right now dealing with her learning she can't use her hands to push anyone out of the way so she can get the ball. Unlike Kate, who would probably laugh at such antics, or beat the child severely, her coach and I have devised a plan to correct this behavior... by her being pulled out every single time she forgets to keep her hands to herself, she sits with me till she is ready to remember the rules, so that she isn't just sitting by herself screaming, unsure of why she was punished, and she is making quick progress.

I have sheltered my kids from the evil word "mine" as long as I could. I have taught the idea of a family being a team, that toys are (for the most part) community property that is to be shared openly and they share everything.

I have sheltered my kids from having to sneak candy or other things behind my back because I don't freak out and try to control every single moment of their lives.

I have sheltered my kids from beating on and abusing animals by always supervising them with animals and teaching them from day 1 to treat them with love and respect.

I have sheltered my kids from divorce by not beratting their father and emasculating him at every chance I have.

I have sheltered my kids from the paparazzi, from insecurity about people leaving their lives, and from never knowing if something they love will disappear. I did this by not parading them in a reality tv show, by not cutting out family members unless they (ONE PERSON) was a danger to them (and herself) and would not get help. I have preceded every single pet aquirement with lots of research, thought, and planning, knowing that this animal would be a member of our family and we could not bring one in that we were not able to care for forever (barring some really weird freak of nature kind of thing).

I have also sheltered my kids from thinking that the only food they should eat is what I give them, that the only restaurants and places out there are filled with scary germs, diseases, and they must dress up to the nines and be silent during meals.

I have instead let them eat school lunch, have the occasional kids' meal from McDonald's or Chick-fil-A, and we talk during every meal... about our day, about what we want to do, about anything they want.

Sh*itHappens LOL said...

c'mon kate tell the truth.

that dig at Doritos was intentional. either they stopped sponsoring your show or you wanted them to sponsor it and they declined...declined just like your credit card at the gas station!!!

Ohio Buckeye said...

EvilLinda, I love your post! You just described my childhood as well. Great memories. The thing for which I'm most grateful to my parents (now both deceased) is the peacefilled childhood they made sure all 5 of us had. That solid childhood built an inner foundation that sustains me to this day, no matter what life has thrown my way. Now THAT was a gift.

My mom's theory was "Moderation in all things. Including moderation."

Words to live by.

DeeB said...

Doritos are Nasty: You completely missed the point.

my9cats said...

kimmer said...
Anyways, very good post. That's one thing I never did like about Kate is that she always came off as self-righteous. You know, with the whole organic stuff.
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if Kate is bragging that her kids don't even know what a doritos is, wow. I guess she has to pick or find something in which to take pride in.
10/11/2009 5:37 AM

Kate's bragging reminds me of Jon's interview in Utah (not the meltdown trip). He was bragging that not only did the twins not believe in Santa Claus, but (laughs)they tell their friends there is no such thing. Sanctimonious jerk.

Back in the mid -80's the popular assistant pastor (who had no children) at our church announced at the Christmas Eve 6pm FAMILY service, that there was no such thing as Santa Claus.

Oh...the outrage from parents and tears from the little kids. The head Pastor (who had 5 kids)had a fit and fired the assistant pastor the day after Christmas. No matter how popular you are, one does not mess around with Santa!

Now how about it Doritos. Are you going to take the snark from Kate?

Pony said...

How Moms should be said: "I have enjoyed reading the comments on this topic. If I was a new parent, I would print off all of you moms' incredible insights and lessons so that I could follow suit. How did you all get to be so wise?"

The answer to your question, in my case, is lots of trial and error, input from more experienced mothers, and the ability to admit it when I made a mistake and to learn from it -- a concept I fear that Kate and possibly Jon don't quite get.

Two clueless idiots said...

DoritosAreNasty said...

I don't see what's so wrong with not giving kids Doritos

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I think you're missing the point also. I don't think anyone is commenting on the simple decision of whether to allow children to eat junk food or not...it's the dichotomy between a mom who is self righteous about not feeding her kids junk (a perfectly admirable feat, BTW!) but yet has allowed her children to be so violated and exposed by allowing cameras into their most private moments. She is a mom who claims to obsess over organics and healthy eating, but is harsh, distant and critical of her children. She mocks and criticizes these precious kids, she is narcisstic, she is emotionally distant and verbally abusive, she shows no consideration for their emotional needs, yet brags about how well they eat. It's the contradiction and self-righteousness that most people are commenting, on, not the choice of whether to serve Doritos or not!

Ohio Buckeye said...

TwoCluelessIdiots: well said. K8 is the poster child for 'can't see the forest for the trees'.

Diana said...

"Oh, Kate. You’ve sheltered them from Doritos, but not papparazi, hurtful remarks to their father or cameras in the bathroom."

A GREAT BIG "AMEN" TO THAT!!!!

JJL said...

I shelter my kids from taking pictures of their first BM's while potty training, gross. I shelter them from paparazzi, no one cares about us, thank God. I shelter them from obnoxious cranky women on TV.

dig deeper said...

I think that with all the things Kate does wrong, its a good thing she is trying to do THIS right. Meaning feed them healthy food. I know she gets a lot of flack about crackers, carrot sticks, and yogurt cups, but I just assume that's the stuff craft services provided of filming days. Who knows what they eat on a regular day. The one episode Kate packed Mady and Cara's lunches, and they seemed perfectly balanced more than sufficient. I know the point of this post is not food, but the big picture. I'm just saying that this is one thing she actually can be proud of, so damn straight she wants to draw attention to it. Especially if her next undertaking is going to be food related.

JFaye said...

Re the dogs -- Jon could get them out of Kate's control. In the eyes of the law, they are property. It was obvious that she never wanted them as pets, it was just another prop. As tough as it is for the children, to lose the pets, it would have been worse for them to watch them be abused or neglected.

Jon cannot get his children away from Kate. He can only hang in there and be persistent against her attempts to alienate them from him and stand up for his rights to be in their lives as their father. I would love to read a child custody evaluation by a professional on these children. I would bet money that Jon is the one who would be found to be the 'primary psychological parent' -- that is the one who the children are most bonded to. Whatever his faults, he certainly seems more connected to them and hands on than Kate ever was.

Mona said...

I know she gets a lot of flack about crackers, carrot sticks, and yogurt cups, but I just assume that's the stuff craft services provided of filming days. Who knows what they eat on a regular day.

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See, that's one of my problems with Kate. She takes the easy road wherever she goes. If she can grab a few nibbles off the craft services tray for her kids and a salad for herself, she doesn't have to do anything. Why would it be so hard to add a slice of bread to that turkey and make a sandwich?
What about heating up leftovers from last night's dinner for their lunch sometimes? The fact that it is CONSISTENTLY just a handful of food for lunch tells me that Kate couldn't be bothered with it.

She's always done well packing school lunches, though. I do have to give her credit there.

A crisis over NOTHING said...

All I can still picture in my mind is the Disney trip when Kate yanked every single ice cream cup out of the hands of the tups (young at the time) and they went absolutly NUTS. Screaming, and crying, jumping and tantrums....Why? All because one of the little ones got a "DROP" of ice cream on her top. Kate turned around and started attacking Jon also because he was speaking with someone. What a sick and sad scene.
The beautiful Disney Princess's were there and all Kate's helpers, and she carried on like a complete mental patient, over NOTHING.

Suzi said...

dig deeper said...

I think that with all the things Kate does wrong, its a good thing she is trying to do THIS right.

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I really could not disagree more with this statement.

Food is something that Kate can easily control, as opposed to her messy divorce and the potential behavioral/developmental delays in her children. So rather than expending the time and energy to resolve those issues, she focuses on the food.

Sadly, that is a lesson it may well take her children years to unlearn...

farriswheel said...

KateDoesn'tHaveAClue said...

BTW- One thing that has always bothered me about the body guard is that I could actually understand this if she was worried about one of her kids getting snatched, but it seems Kate feels it is more important for her to have someone to protect HER! Who is going to snatch her? The answer is NO ONE!
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This reminded me of the Mark Twain story were the kidnappers took the son of a bank president and the kidnappers ended up paying the dad to take him back because he was so bad.

a real stay at home mom said...

Great read, loved it!

It makes me so sad to see those innocent kids getting on and off the school bus each day with cameras in their faces. And the looks on their faces are so sad, too, especially the older ones.

What a joke that Kate wants to brag about her kids not knowing what Doritos are. She really does have her priorities screwed up. Let them eat chips and let them have a normal life if it's not too late!

SheHasNoClueWhatSheIsMissing said...

A crisis over NOTHING said...
All I can still picture in my mind is the Disney trip when Kate yanked every single ice cream cup out of the hands of the tups (young at the time) and they went absolutly NUTS. Screaming, and crying, jumping and tantrums....Why? All because one of the little ones got a "DROP" of ice cream on her top. Kate turned around and started attacking Jon also because he was speaking with someone. What a sick and sad scene.
The beautiful Disney Princess's were there and all Kate's helpers, and she carried on like a complete mental patient, over NOTHING.
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They can't be kids; it's too important for Kate to present this image for the photo op. When they were younger, she said it was because it took her so long to wash out the stains from six outfits...whereas another mom might have one outfit to work on, she would have eight (sounded like she didn't want to be a slave to the laundry). Thing is, being so obsessive about "looks" and "messes" just destroys the moment. The child's joy turns to confusion. That's not making a memory for them, and Kate was always so bent on the making-memories thing.

Maybe I have no authority to make an observation, because I'm only a mom to a dog, but sometimes I let my young dog just tear the hell out of a paper towel (cardboard) tube, or a paper envelope left over from the mail. I get a kick out of her just going crazy with a new "toy." Sure it makes a mess for me, but I enjoy the fun of the moment enough to not gripe so much about the mess. I just think Kate is one of those kinds of people who can't enjoy the moment. She gets too immersed in the small details. In other words, Kate doesn't know what fun is...she just doesn't know how to have fun.

fidosmommy said...

Suzi said...
Food is something that Kate can easily control, as opposed to her messy divorce and the potential behavioral/developmental delays in her children. So rather than expending the time and energy to resolve those issues, she focuses on the food.

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Yes, Suzi. My mother was a real control freak over the foods we ate. All 4 of us carried major food issues into adulthood and the surviving 2 of us are obese because we had no clue how to self
dose food. When we discovered the wonderful taste of many foods for the first time we went overboard.
My friends - who had tasted all the goodness of snacks, desserts, even fried chicken, pizza when they wanted some - did not have weight issues or portion control issues. It has taken me about 2years coping with a serious illness to force me into food management for myself. I truly believe it started with my mom's inability to allow me to make my own choices as a child and making me eat things I absolutely despised on a regular basis. I mean, c'mon, how many times a week does a kid have to eat liver and onions and Brussels sprouts, for pete's sake? Eggplant casserole, anyone? And how many times can a child hear that a cookie for dessert will make her fat before she decides she will NEVER eat L&O or BSpts again, and will have a damned cookie when having a cookie sounds good?

Sadly, I see a slightly different but oh so similar situation going on at the Gosselins.

Those kids are going to be dipping into more than Doritos bags, I'm afraid. I'm thinking if the stench emanating from Daddy hasn't already made them hate smoking, they will be finding very unhealthy outlets for their
unhappiness and frustration.

Brummygirl said...

I would like to say this to Kate:
Children are given you for a fleeting part of your life when they are solely yours to nurture and guide. Nurture in positive ways so they may in turn be the keeper of their children’s hearts and lives for yet another brief time.
They are always your children but as they grow from seedling to flowers, you know that there will be a time when they no longer need you as a constant, but go forth on their own to become responsible and loving human beings.
It is in those formative years you have to guide yes, as children need parameters, but love, forgiveness, fun, silly shared moments, sad moments, sleepovers, vacations on a budget, these are things which will tug at their memory strings rather than expensive gifts given on a whim, harsh words, unrealistic denials. There are times when you have to say no but back it up with the reason why.
To have missed and not participated in every event in my girls’ lives would be a void never to be filled. There is no going back you have to make every moment count.
The years go by so quickly and my own two daughters married in the same year and I realized my babies were finally grown into beautiful responsible young women. Where did that time go? Reminds me of the song “Turn Around”.
I missed them with all my heart but they in their turn have given me four wonderful grandchildren whom I watch and enjoy growing to their fruition.
Value your children whilst you have them when small and they will return and value you.

Be Flexible, Not Rigid said...

Yes, Suzi. My mother was a real control freak over the foods we ate. All 4 of us carried major food issues into adulthood and the surviving 2 of us are obese because we had no clue how to self
dose food. When we discovered the wonderful taste of many foods for the first time we went overboard.
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Oh, wow, fidosmommy, you coulda been my sistah!!! I commented above, before you did. This kind of control over food...the parent taking it 'way too far...has serious ramifications later on. I remember what torture it was for me when clothes shopping for school once or twice a year out of town. It was nice, and a treat to go to a modest, non-school cafeteria/lunch counter with Mom but she really limited my choices of food items...partly, of course, due to cost. (How can a kid learn how to make decisions, if it's always decided for you?) I didn't want Mom's veggie soup and half-sandwich on squaw bread with sprouts, no dessert and water to drink. I wanted the mac-cheese, chocolate pie and an icy Pepsi...in a cool, Pepsi glass! This was stuff I only saw in magazines...or at a friend's house. Today, don't turn me loose at an all-you-can-eat buffet. Keep me off cruise ships! (And this is 40 years later. And I consider myself an intelligent adult...obviously, with issues!) I'm making light of it, but Kate could wind up with eight Gosselin Gobblers. And I'm not talking Thanksgiving Day only.

Suzi said...

Fidosmommy said...

Yes, Suzi. My mother was a real control freak over the foods we ate. All 4 of us carried major food issues into adulthood and the surviving 2 of us are obese because we had no clue how to self
dose food. When we discovered the wonderful taste of many foods for the first time we went overboard.
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My mom was also a major control freak and food was one of her favorite weapons. It's really a wonderful tool to use against your family; not only do you get your way all of the time, but you're also able to endlessly complain about how much you have to do and brag about what a wonderful mother you're being.

When we got to college, my two brothers gained enourmous amounts of weight and both are overweight (with one morbidly obese).

I took the other extreme and became dangerously thin. I can't say it was driven by any attempt to look different, I just seriously did not know how to eat. I didn't know when I was hungry or full or even how to pick what to eat. I would worry about it nonstop and get anxious at meal times. So, I just didn't do it and even a avoided situations where I would have to eat socially.

It did take me years to unlearn and watching Kate teach her children food "issues" hits a little close to home.

marypoppins said...

SheHasNoClueWhatSheIsMissing said...
A crisis over NOTHING said...
All I can still picture in my mind is the Disney trip ......and she carried on like a complete mental patient, over NOTHING.
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FREE trip to Disney, helpers galore, private meeting with princesses, everyone is smiling, feeling happy for the kids and then
"JON!!!the WHOLE DAY IS RUINED"

I think she gets jealous when the attention is not on her and tries to quickly get in back intothe spotlight by throwing these tantrums.

PupMom said...

SheHasNoClueWhatSheIsMissing, I totally agree with everything that you've said. The funny thing is before getting on the computer I'd just given my puppy the cardboard from a toilet paper roll to have fun with. A mess? Sure, but watching the fun he was having was worth it.

Wise words from Mom said...

Yes, my wise elderly mother (now deceased) always told me when I was raising my four children, to enjoy every minute with them because "Your children are only on loan, they're not yours to keep."

stupidisasstupiddoes said...

All I can still picture in my mind is the Disney trip ......and she carried on like a complete mental patient, over NOTHING.

Which Kate , in turn, blamed on JON because he should have known she was going to react that way and JON should be prepared at any given moment to 'intervene' Kate's psychotic behavior. Kate has never owned an ounce of accountability for the way she acts; it's always some one else's fault because they didnt do a.b. or c. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that if you give your children ice cream in 80 plus degree weather, chances are the situation is going to result in a melted ice cream mess!!!

Jaci said...

The Dorito thing is all about Kate feeling self-righteous and better than other moms. For some reason, Kate's convinced that controlling her kids' diet makes her a better mother. She's made a big deal out of their food since day one.

Personally, I shelter my daughter from my own issues and complexes! I'm afraid of heights, but I bite my tongue when my daughter climbs too high. I'm constantly worried that she'll get hurt, but again, I bite my tongue when she's all over the playground equipment. Kate actually taught me how ridiculous it looks to freak out--so I'm grateful to her! :)

Ohio Buckeye said...

Stupidisasstupiddoes said.....
OMG you have put into words so well exactly my feelings about that whole Disney scene.

Good lord, woman, it's ice cream, big deal. What would you do if you had a REAL problem to deal with?

But the part that just sent me thru the roof was blaming it (as always) on someone else. Not so much as an OUNCE of ownership.

This is SO the pattern of an abuser, who abuses, then blames the victim with words like, 'see, why did you MAKE me do that to you?'

K8 is an abuser.

Anyone who defends abusive behavior and/or the one dishing it out, I have no time for, so ladies of The View, Kathy Griffin, Nancy Grace, anyone else who gives sympathy to an abuser like K8, don't count on my support of any of your endeavors.

Like pedophiles, abusers RARELY admit/take ownership for their behavior. Giving them a pass for their behavior does nothing to discourage continuation of abuse.

Can't imagine why anyone would support abusers - it's a sick paradigm.

They get treats said...

Suzi said...
dig deeper said...

I think that with all the things Kate does wrong, its a good thing she is trying to do THIS right.

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I really could not disagree more with this statement.

Food is something that Kate can easily control, as opposed to her messy divorce and the potential behavioral/developmental delays in her children. So rather than expending the time and energy to resolve those issues, she focuses on the food.

Sadly, that is a lesson it may well take her children years to unlearn...
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But we have seen Kate give the kids treats... monkey munch, fruit snacks, ice cream. I don't sense any food deprevation, at least not yet. I do think it's healthier to serve food family style so kids learn about portion control, though. I actually think that Kate's obsession with eating "au natural" stems from genuine concern about their health. Her obvious control-freak issues are beside the point here. The kids have had chips, just not those covered in day-glow orange cheese powder. I definitely understand food issues, have them myself, but none of my causes are reflected in what I see with the Gosselin family.

***For the record... I have heard Kate say that the little kids have never had fast food, but didn't Jon surprise them with Happy Meals the one day they all took ski lessons? I realize its been a couple of years since then, and they could have had fast food since, but I remember hearing those words come out of her mouth after I saw the kids eating McDonald's. Not blaming her, a Happy Meal isn't gonna kill anyone, but she could have just said "we rarely have fast food" instead of "never."

Ohio Buckeye said...

So K8's kids don't know what 'those triangular things' (give me a break, K8) are. This is the LEAST of those kids' problems.

Neither do they know so many of the simple joys of life:

rolling down a hill, blissfully oblivious to grass staining clothes

savoring the cool creaminess of ice
cream (without your mother SCREAMING and embarrassing everyone over the possibility you may drip ice cream on your clothing)

having your mom JOIN you in craft making experiences, instead of turning her back so as to avoid having to see YOUR 'mess'.

Being told to paint something for mommy and being free to choose the colors yourself

Making pottery for your mom and not have her make fun of your efforts on nat'l tv

Having a mom who actually ENJOYS and savors her time with her kids

Having a mom whose example teaches what in life is important to get upset about vs. what things just really do not matter and do not require or deserve your attention.

In the vernacular of my kids' teen years: K8 sucks.

livnluv said...

Which Kate , in turn, blamed on JON because he should have known she was going to react that way and JON should be prepared at any given moment to 'intervene' Kate's psychotic behavior. Kate has never owned an ounce of accountability for the way she acts; it's always some one else's fault because they didnt do a.b. or c.

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I remember the time they returned to the hospital where the tups were born for a reunion. Jon wanted to put the kids play shoes on because it had been raining and it was an outside event. He tried to tell her but Kate wouldn't have any of it, they wouldn't be matchy, matchy. Then on the interview couch she blamed Jon for the kid's good shoes getting all muddy because he didn't remind her it was going to be outside. Man, that sounds stupid just typing it.

livnluv said...

...and then there's the 4th of July parade when it was so cold and kate didn't want the kids to wear jackets because no one would be able to see their cute little matching outfits. No matter that the kids were freezing! And to top it off she was dragging them through the crowds with that rope of rings they were hanging on to for dear life. And you could tell she was loving every minute of it. She's a sadistic joke.

Man, I'm going to have to go take my blood pressure medicine early today.

goawayJandK said...

This reminds me of a family we are friendly with.

So many silly rules, yet the mom & dad relationship is incredibly dysfunctional, which makes the entire family dynamic incredibly dysfunctional.

Yet they worry about their kids EVER eating one bit of candy (one of the silly rules, even on Halloween)

Never can take any blame said...

With the Disney "meltdown" episode. Kate was later on the couch and Jen Stocks (producer at the time) asked Kate straight out,
"Kate, do you think you OVER reacted with the ice cream that dripped on her?" Kate said "NOOOO,
if JON was only there to see what was going on, instead of standing around talking....."
Again, someone ELSE'S fault that she behaved like a 'psycho on parade' in front of 50 people.

Teen said...

Angelina Jolie gives her kids snack treats like cheetos all the time. The kids look happy and healthy to me. Angelina knows what starving children look like and she knows that a little junk food is no harm at all.

Ohio Buckeye said...

LivnLuv said....................
I so remember the epi, too. Jon had taken responsibility for bringing the kids' jackets, but did he get a 'thanks'? That gets The Big HellNo. K8 demanded DIFFERENT jackets and told Jon she didn't trust him to bring the 'right' ones - she wanted the matchy matchy ones which, Jon claimed, did not exist for all 8 kids.

And the rope thing. Another example of sheer stupidity. Jon wanted to bring the strollers. K8, the contrarian, insisted they take those walking rings/rope gizmo. Her 'logic' was that she wanted them to do everything 'normal', not any different than any other singletons their age would do. (HUH?)

Same with dragging 8 kids to pick out bunk beds. El stupido on this one, too, K8ie. Her MomLogic on this gem was that they brought Cara and Mady along when picking out THEIR beds.... As if bringing two kids for a shopping day of hell for kids is the same thing as bringing EIGHT.

The woman is clearly insane.

goawayJandK said...

I actually think that Kate's obsession with eating "au natural" stems from genuine concern about their health

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If you are referring to K8's obsession with ORGANIC food, it's not because there is any genuine concern. K8 thinks organic is what "classy, rich folk" eat.

I've said it before and I will say it again : I would bet $ that K8 doesn't know what organic REALLY means.

Suzi said...

I actually think that Kate's obsession with eating "au natural" stems from genuine concern about their health.
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Maybe I'm just a little sensitive on the food issue, but I think it's the random rules and inconsistencies that give Kate away. For being so "health" conscious, she also uses food as the number one prive and punishment and the children seem to think that way as well.

Suzi said...

But we have seen Kate give the kids treats... monkey munch, fruit snacks, ice cream. I don't sense any food deprevation, at least not yet.
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But it's the inconsistency and randomness of it that is the "control" factor and leads to the anxiety in children.

When I was growing up we could have Pop Tarts but not Honey Nut Cheerios; we could eat brownies but could not put sweetner in iced tea; we could salt watermelon but not baked potatoes; we could eat mandarin oranges in syrup but not canned fruit cocktail; we could only drink juice before 9 a.m. and milk after 4 p.m.; we could eat bologna but not peanut butter; we could only eat apple sauce with pork chops; ranch dressing went on iceburg lettuce and italian on darker greens; I could go on for days like this with the rules. And a mess-up on the rules was met with frustration and anger by my mother.

I would guess at least 75% of my mother's parenting efforts went toward food discussions and planning. It made no sense to me when I was 10 and it still makes no sense to me now that I'm 35.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like I've lived through those dinnertimes and it just isn't fun...

Healthy? I Think Not! said...

Suzi said...
I actually think that Kate's obsession with eating "au natural" stems from genuine concern about their health.
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If she actually cared she would NOT be feeding them sugary yogurt (my kids loved plain with real fruit in it), or Juicy Juice which I assume contains stuff like "concentrated grape juice" which is -- are you ready? -- sugar syrup. Also, if she cared, she would throw a hunk of poultry in the oven and slice it instead of serving them lunch"meat".
Personally, I think Kate is dumber than a doorknob, and only serves "healthy" food because it sounds important and upscale -- she doesn't actually know the first thing about it. I doubt that she has read a single book on the subject, or done any research at all.

I had a tenant like that -- she only fed her 4 y/o organic food, but then baked cookies once that were sooooo sugary that they made the inside of my mouth crinkle up. Sugar is the WORST thing you can give to growing children because it takes up space in their little tummies that they need for body-building nutrients. (I do not mean they should never have any, but it shouldn't be dumped in everything they eat.)

Snap! said...

In the last episode- when the tups came home and ate their lunches that Kate had prepared for school- they had orange bags with chips in them!!

Vanessa said...

She doesn't know what organic truly means! Remember the organic cow episode? When they're back in the store she says she lets the kids have a treat from there because it's HEALTHY! NO DUMB-DUMB, it's not HEALTHY it's still a treat made with sugar and has empty calories! What I can't stand is how she thinks she's so smart, (not just on this subject)
and when she opens her mouth, you realize just how ignorant she is!

Button Button said...

Could it be that TLC invented some story "lines" to make Kate more interesting?

Could they have decided she would be interested in being 100% organic?

How else could Kate even know of such a thing? It's not like she knows much and she doesn't have time to read, does she?

When they let the kids paint with pudding and lick it off themselves, have ice cream for supper once a year, fill pinatas with candy that the kids got to eat, have ice cream and cake, etc, etc, etc.

These are not things 100% organics would do.

TLC thought of things to make them more interesting ... the dog, camping, the trips, the marriage renewal, etc.

TLC thought up the crooked houses, fishing, telephones made from cans, all that crap.

They thought of things to make them more interesting and didn't always come out on top.

Kathleen said...

Snap! said...

In the last episode- when the tups came home and ate their lunches that Kate had prepared for school- they had orange bags with chips in them!!
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You are absolutely right. They were eating Cheetos.

Kate, you ignorant beast, GO AWAY.

Vanessa said...

Are you serious? They had Cheetos? I'll have to check the episode on youtube. Someone should let the ladies on the View know about this abomination right now!! Kate actually told a lie on national TV, go figure

Im_in_PR said...

Personally, I think Kate is dumber than a doorknob, and only serves "healthy" food because it sounds important and upscale -- she doesn't actually know the first thing about it.

I noticed something similar to that way back during the Mady and Kate Spa show. She was completely uncomfortable with her food and the utensils and made overly pronounced movements with her hands and napkin. She was also tensed up about Mady putting the napkin in her lap. It was like Kate realized Mady should put the napkin in her lap, but she'd never actually taught her that. I cringed for them watching that episode.

ManiForMommy said...

Im_in_PR said...
Personally, I think Kate is dumber than a doorknob, and only serves "healthy" food because it sounds important and upscale -- she doesn't actually know the first thing about it.

I noticed something similar to that way back during the Mady and Kate Spa show. She was completely uncomfortable with her food and the utensils and made overly pronounced movements with her hands and napkin. She was also tensed up about Mady putting the napkin in her lap. It was like Kate realized Mady should put the napkin in her lap, but she'd never actually taught her that. I cringed for them watching that episode.
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her nails were wet.

Jodie said...

I bet they were the "organic" and twice as expensive Cheetos. She's such a superficial wench.

KLabmom said...

I don't understand Kate. How can you draw a distinction between Rice Krispy Treats and Doritos? What make one ok and the other not? A treat is a treat, no way around it. Why make your kids think something is so bad then give them something just as bad?

Cool Ranch said...

Sigh.

I have little tolerance for Kate and other holier than thou mothers who only feed their children 100% organic, free range, three times as expensive food and make darn sure everyone around them knows it.

What happened to moderation?

Totally keeping certain types of food from children will only make that food more desirable. Growing up in the 70s, there was a family of hippies on our block. Their four kids would bring tofu and wheat germ sandwiches to school. All of the kids would knock on doors to do odd jobs for money. They would then take their money and run to the corner candy store. They probably ate more candy than I ever did! They would also come to the little league games and buy hot dogs, since they were supposed to be vegetarians. Long story short, these kids put a lot of time and energy into seeking out these "forbidden foods" instead of just playing and doing other kid stuff.

Given the choice of handing my kids a bag of Doritos or exploiting them for years on national TV at the cost of my family and marriage..... I'll gladly take the Doritos.

Kate, your life is a trainwreck of tabloidistic tragedy and you dragged 8 kids along for the ride. If you feel that your kids not eating a snack chip somehow negates that, you just keep on telling yourself how wonderful you are

Ohio Buckeye said...

KLabMom, you must be forgetting that Special K8ie uses ORGANIC marshmallow fluff when making her Krispie Treats.

(AS IF organic marshmallow fluff is somehow specially fortified with vitamins and minerals and, so, is nutritious.)

Does anyone seriously think that when those 8 kids grow up, they're going to give a flying fig if K8 used organic food (while selling out their childhood and privacy)?

K8: See the trees? Now meet the forest.

marypoppins said...

It was like Kate realized Mady should put the napkin in her lap, but she'd never actually taught her that. I cringed for them watching that episode.
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TLC that's what I would have liked to see in show about parents raising 6 kids.

AN episode showing them learning table manners, how to set a table.. Maybe one learning how to shake hands and say hello

miarng_mom said...

Great heartfelt comments, so many loving, caring and thoughtful mothers here. What lucky children you all have.
I shelter my girls from knowing that we are starting to prepare for my husband's second deployment since we have had children. He hasn't received orders yet, but it's almost sure to come up within the next year. I shelter my daughters from thinking that girls can only wear clothes for the "girls" section of a store. If there is something my oldest likes (youngest is 6 mo, doesn't pick out clothes yet) in the "boys" section it's no problem. Her favorite shirt was red with a jeep on it, the sort of thing that would give Khate a stroke if she saw it on her girls. The same goes for toys. I don't try to instill the belief that girls get dolls and play makeup sets and boys get trucks and dinosaurs. As for getting dirty it's a non-issue. How are children supposed to learn about the world if they are kept spotless in a sterile environment?
As for the food I try to shelter my girls from seeing that everyone eats what is served but mommy who eats only a salad. I let my daughter have a few chips, doritos, ice cream, cookie etc. She can have any of these things if and when she had finished her meal. I don't use the treat as a reward for polishing off a plate of food. Just as frequently we have apple slices for a snack. We drink milk and water mostly but she has had cocoa, sunny delight, decaf iced tea. I don't eat perfect food pyramid selections every day, why should I expect anyone else to? I'm not perfect but I do my best.
If I get mad and yell I tell my daughter I am sorry that I yelled at her. I admit I was wrong because IMO it's okay to be less than perfect as long as you admit it.
I think this is just another way that Khate tries to show she is a "supermommy", if only in her own mind. I think on some level she is deeply insecure and so she feels she must constantly say and do things to show that she is better than everyone else.
Triangular? Really Khate ought to leave the lying to someone else. She sucks at it!

Finalarbitrators said...

Im_in_PR said...
I noticed something similar to that way back during the Mady and Kate Spa show. She was completely uncomfortable with her food and the utensils and made overly pronounced movements with her hands and napkin. She was also tensed up about Mady putting the napkin in her lap. It was like Kate realized Mady should put the napkin in her lap, but she'd never actually taught her that. I cringed for them watching that episode.

10/13/2009 11:36 AM

I remember thinking how weird, K8 telling Mady to put the cloth napkin in her lap and use the paper napkin. Why two different napkins. I also thought K8 exhibited a lack of table manners by taking her mouth down to her plate instead of sitting up straight and bringing her food to her mouth.

The Lazy Vegan said...

>If I evre see you in Real Life Kate, I will smack the hell outta you.

Heh. With Kate's return to REAL real life, you and everyone else who wants to will get to do just that. Not talking bodily violence, but I would just like to be a fly on the wall the first few months she doesn't have a protective bodyguard anymore and people really can just walk up to her and let her have it (verbally) with both barrels about her behavior. And then shortly after that, I really do think she'll just disappear from view as all of this becomes so yesterday and people just forget her.

Ohio Buckeye said...

MiarngMom: Excellent post! I agree, especially on your take on K8's needing to believe she's superior to all.

Re: K8 sucking at lying. She seems to lie like she breathes: constantly and reflexively, yet despite this being a practiced 'skill,' she STILL sucks at it. Mostly because so much of what she says is simply nonsensical and often contradictory.

Best wishes to you, your hubs, and your kids. Peace and well being to all, and please tell your hub THANKS for his service from all of us.

fedupwithitall said...

'This is the same woman who says her kids have never had fast food when they have been filmed with fast food cups on their bedside tables.

A real neat freak would never let kids have sugary drinks in their rooms btw.

It's all fake with her. (yawn) so done with it.'


And was I drunk when I watched the episode where they moved into their new luxurious mansion when I saw them eating pizza? How is Pizza ok, but Doritos not. Junk Food is not the enemy kate. Excess of ANYTHING is the enemy.See my mother always warned me that when you tell a lie you have to remember what you said forever just to keep up the lie, but if you tell the truth you never have to remmeber anything.

stopthemadness said...

Kate talks about junk food being the enemy and how they don't know what a dorito is but gives them
those gross school lunches packed with sugar and garbage like cheetohs and rice krispie treats. Constantly with a juicy juice box or a sippy cup of juice which is FULL of sugar and bad for their teeth and nutrition. Juice is so linked with obesity - the calories add up quickly.

She would tell you while slipping a sugar bomb or three in her child's lunch sack that her kids only eat organic, well, that is clearly a lie. she says what makes her look good, that is the only bell weather for her, the truth doesn't rate. The truth is those kids eat what is easy and free or cheap and what craft foods brings. We very rarely focused on the show on what they were eating - a few episodes of grandma soup, Korean food, or the lovely pancakes those nutritional wonders. The rest of the time I saw a lot of juice and the crackers-and-grapes. Kate no more sits and plans and prepares healthy meals for the kids any more, than she flies to the moon. No time. Got to "work" telling the rest of us how she does it all, because America is waiting to be inspired!

I'm not against pizza or pancakes in moderation but then I don't go out and tout myself as the hands on organic cooking mom of the year.Even so my kids eat better than hers and I would never dream of scarfing down hot pasta for lunch while having the kids eat the lunch they'd carried around uselessly all day so people could see their lunchbox. Those sandwiches would have been foul but she doesn't care. Kate throw another few handfuls of pasta into the pot. Your kids who you do everything for, deserve it, don't they?

Jen Guyer said...

Never posted before, but this subject has drawn my attention from the start.

Yes, technically organic=pesticide free. But, the side benefit is that usually organic foods also are free of artificial colors, flavors and preservatives. They also tend to have more whole food ingredients and less mile long, unpronouncable ingredient lists.

Back when I was a J&K+8 fan, this was one of the things that drew me to the family. I have an autistic daughter and so we eat an artificial free diet, which means we eat a lot of organic foods. Artificial ingredients and pesticides, etc can have a negative effect on the brain chemistry of autistic and ADHD kids. They strip vitamins and minerals that effect the brain and lower the immunity by fighting off these unnatural invaders.

Quite frankly, I have always been glad that Kate tries to stay organic. Because if those completely hyper kids really are on an organic/artificial free diet, I would hate to see what they would be like pumped up on dyes and such!

And yes, it is true that organic doesn't always equate healthy. Yes the food is healthier, but the healthier junk food is still junk food! But, at least when we splurge on chips and candy, we aren't getting a Willy Wonka concoction of dyes and flavors, et.

Oh and yes, we eat doritos and cheetos. They have artificial free varieties. :-)

And no, I don't think those lunch boxes had cheetos. I couldn't tell for sure what they were, but they looked more like cheese-it or gold fish type things. I am pretty familiar with the organic snack food offerings and don't know of any cheetoh type things packaged like that. (Ya'll tempted me enough with the cheetoh thread that I peeked at the youtube video. Haven't watched any other shows since last season.)