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bryce said...

The whole show is about product placement. The greedy parents don't even love their children. They love perks more than their kids.

just wondering said...

I just watched a few minutes of the ranch episode on YouTube and realized that the boys have not been taught how to shake hands yet. I don't know why I find that so odd, considering the source, but it's just another of the little things the kids haven't learned, yet.

They travel the country and meet hundreds of people a year, yet no one has bothered to teach them how to say hello. Really odd.

just wondering said...

I still have not seen any reliable numbers for the ratings of the ranch episode. Did they ever come through? Too few to count would be just fine with me...

Shell said...

didn't notice in the dude ranch episode but the kids know how to shake hands. remember when they were in Hawaii and they were going to make cookies each one of them went to the chef and shook hands. everyone one of them said HI whats your name and shook hands.

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Seems like Kate is trying to paper over past episodes with Jon and the kids. N.C. beach vacation ... without Jon. Camping in the back yard ...without Jon. Hayride... without Jon. Soon we'll have a marriage dissolution ceremony at a posh Hawaiian resort ... without Jon. But it will be "forever".

OverwithKON~~ said...

just wondering.... I am right with you on not understanding how these *famous* kids can be so far behind in normal everyday things like shaking hands. It just goes to show how these parents have totally neglected them when the cameras are not rolling. It is so sad, I have had times when I am tired and want to just put the kids in front of a movie and take a bath(cant and wont afford the actaul spa), and I do it for me, becasue we all have to. But by the time its been 20 - 40 minutes I am feeling great and I cant wait to get down on the floor and play battle ship or twister with my kids. But apprently K8 is always hands off, cuz if she wasnt, those kids would know how to shake hands. SO SAD!

ANNA said...

They travel the country and meet hundreds of people a year, yet no one has bothered to teach them how to say hello. Really odd.

Actually I remember an episode a while back- not sure what city they were in but the boys were meeting someone at a hotel and they were quite polite, shaking hands and saying 'pleased to meet you' or something like that. I'm thinking that they picked up the hand slapping/high fiving thing from Jon now that he's free to express his 'cool' street style. Little boys (Jon too) like that kind of thing. I can imagine Jon greeting the kids in this manner.

Ms.Peach said...

Stupid Questions said...
Ok, I catch on quick but what is GMA? I have seen BM's(get what it stands for) site just to be fair- but it is a little too much "fantasy" for me. Does BM actually KNOW Kate? I'm sure this has been discussed many a time but forgive me, I am new here.
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She does not know her personally. Only went to a book signing.

Some manners said...

just wondering said...
I just watched a few minutes of the ranch episode on YouTube and realized that the boys have not been taught how to shake hands yet. I don't know why I find that so odd, considering the source, but it's just another of the little things the kids haven't learned, yet.

They travel the country and meet hundreds of people a year, yet no one has bothered to teach them how to say hello. Really odd.

9/04/2009 10:24 PM
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They definitely know how to shake hands. Last summer in one of the Hawaii episodes each sextuplet took turns shaking the hotel kitchen lady's hand, when they made cookies. I remember because Aaden in particular was so adorble. They each asked her name, said their own name, said nice to meet you, and shook her hand.

Ms.Peach said...

The chewies are ridiculous for 5 year olds. It proves they are stressed. Who knows what other behaviors are going on in that household? I know that there has been much discussion here regarding preemies and development, but it would seem that by age 5, a well-adjusted child that has had or is having therapy would be caught up with their peers. And frankly, it's not fair to hold back a tup girl if she is ready to be in regular kindergarten. Every kid is different, but Kate has this herd mentality, exhibited by dressing them alike. She doesn't get it that they are individuals.

concerned in LA said...

I am the mother of 3 grown children and grandmother of 3 boys. Some of my happiest memories are of spending time with my children at these very same ages - 5 & 9. Summers were spent going to the park with other Moms & their kids with picnic lunches & chatting time. Some of the kids would even nap on the blanket under the trees after eating their PB&J and apple. Weekly trips to the library for new books & storytimes. Does K or J even know where the library is? Do they read to their children? Books were huge sources of entertainment & education in our family, especially during those formative years. (Actually Kate will love it - it's free!) The kids learn by example from their parents. Do the kids ever see K or J read a book? I'm sorry, but texting & reading texts on a pink phone do not count!!

We didn't have much money, but even if K & J do have a lot of $$ a trip to the Library should not be a bother - it should be a pleasure and a wonderful world for the kids to escape into. (away from paps) No phone calls to paps -No TLC camera crew - No not-a-nanny - Just Mommy or Daddy
No paps should be the easiest part - just don't call them to tell them where you're going, Kate!!

MickeyMcKean said...

I don't know how long it usually takes for the rating numbers to be announced, but I suspect that once again the numbers have fallen from the week before.

It appears to me that as the divorce becomes closer to being finalized, and with Jon and Kate both speaking to various media to tell "their side", as well as it is very obvious that they are no longer financially struggling whatsoever and Jon in particular is spending money like it grows on trees in this economy where regular people are losing their jobs and homes to foreclosure, together and separately J&K are losing viewers who used to tune in each week to see the kids.

As if to prove my point, last night the news came out that TLC forced both Jon and Kate to cancel their appearances at two casinos in Atlantic City. If J&K are not promoting the show, it appears that TLC does not want them to talk at all.

I believe TLC has realized that the people who were new viewers were tuning in due to the impending train wreck but are now reading all about it on the Internet and in magazines; these viewers don't need to waste their time to watch a cable TV show in order to see one parent with the kids - especially an episode that was shot at an expensive dude ranch in this economy!

Case in point - I have a friend who in August asked me if her sister could keep her son from going to kindergarten and if so were there were any laws to keep her from doing so. Long story short, then the news came out that the tups were not going to regular kindergarten.

Even though her sister's son is in kindergarten, when I sent her an email about now the tups were being kept from regular kindergarten I got the following in response: "Jon and Kate are a couple of whack jobs that make millions off of their children. I get the magazine ******* and I've read a couple of articles on them in the last couple months and it's actually really sad what they are doing and especially how he is acting partying with girls in their 20's and neglecting his kids..."

For the record, my friend does not have cable TV so she has never seen the show. So she has based her opinion only on the articles she has read.

IMO the longer J&KExploit8 is on the air, TLC is losing credibility as a "moral" family network with the public as more and more people are seeing that children in reality TV shows are in fact being exploited for financial gain and their exposure due to all the cameras not only robs them of their privacy but also makes them easy targets and/or bait for the sexual predators who feel close to these children due to watching them regularly on TV. Further, with an ongoing investigation by PA child labor laws and ChildAbuse.net asking the sponsors to boycott this show in particular, I hope that it is just a short matter of time before the plug is pulled on this show by TLC.

Seriously TLC, enough is enough. Please end this madness by derailing the Gosselin train wreck and let this family heal and get back to being "normal"!

Eggo said...

Is there a list of articles about them anywhere on the site? Like the one that states Jon's boss fired him because he was using company time to pimp his family, the TLC crew leaving for ethical reasons, neighbor complaints (if any?), etc? I don't see them anywhere on the site and they would be useful to have.

I also remain disgusted at a good chunk of comments still somehow defending Jon because he is the "better" or "more natural" parent. Strip away all of Jon and Kate's tabloid crap, paparazzi photos, even behavior on the show and look at the absolute MAIN issue of this whole thing: exploitation of the children! BOTH parents are doing this and worse, they are both vocal (Jon especially!) about how they're doing nothing wrong.

Eggo said...

I am also looking for any kind of actual concrete proof that Kate and Steve are a couple...because I have seen none yet so many comments speak of it as though it is proven fact.

grannyoftwo said...

I still have not seen any reliable numbers for the ratings of the ranch episode. Did they ever come through? Too few to count would be just fine with me...

9/04/2009 10:25 PM
If you Google Zap2It on TV ratings and type in Jon and Kate under shows search you will get their ratings

homeschoolin' mom said...

I already have my DVR set to record this!
It is Kathy Griffin making fun of Kate on Jimmy Kimmel live...

http://www.popcrunch.com/2009/09/04/kathy-griffin-kate-gosselin-spoof-jimmy-kimmel-live-sept-9/

K8 ain't GR8 said...

Kate is in a frenzy because her cute little babies aren't cooperating any more, so they have to split them apart to manage their behaviour.

That's what happens when kids grow up, start to talk and realize their parents are exploiting them.

jonandkatewho? said...

I just have to get this off my chest. A poster on another thread recently said they were glad to see Kate not pulling the little kids around by the arms anymore.

What drives me insane is the way that woman puts her big claw of a hand up on those boys' heads and steers them along. I can't stand it when she does that. Recently on an episode, she said something like "heads as steering wheels"...while clamping down on a boy's head and steering him.

I don't know why this irritates me so much but it does. It must feel awful to those little boys to have their mom do that to them. It's rude and disrespectful if you ask me.

Cruel bitch.

Sorry for the rant. I'm done for now.

Sounds Fishy said...

Reminds me of the Truman Show. Did TLC get their idea from this movie, I wonder?

stopthemadness said...

We heard 1.5M on the ranch show, the worst yet - I don't think there was another show in season 4 or 5 that low, their ratings are usually around 3-4M.

My kids and I just came in from dong yard work, trimming bushes and weeding the big flower bed. They have normal chores every day and more on Saturday, sometimes yard work is included although we do have a guy who cuts and edges the grass. It made me wonder if Kate's kids ever do chores. I know the twins were expected to make their beds, I have yet to see, in all these hours of footage, any chores other than Jon trying to get the little kids to put basement toys away.

I went to the 18 kids and counting site and saw Michelle Duggar talking about the kids learning to serve others - I know they have "jurisdictions" and that helps the family keep everything going - also gives the kids a good sense of making a contribution and an accurate idea of how much work is involved in running a household.

I wonder what lesson these Gosselin kids are learning? There will always be someone there to do everything for you? Your only value to this family is in being cute and being on tv?

I didn't think Aaden was being rude or bossy when he told the ranch owner that she could clean the egg up with a paper towel. I think he is mirroring his mother's freak outs with messes and the behavior of having others to do for you.

stopthemadness said...

I went to that link on the View where they are discussing reality show kids. THey do mention or are discussing the Gosselins it would appear altho I don't believe they call them out by name. I wrote in to them on that page about how the things they are saying are true of the Gosselins and if they have Kate on the show and do not address the fact that she is working her children and taking advantage of the absence of laws protecting reality kids, rather than advocating for them, that I will stop watching the View and reminded them also that sponsors like NEstle have pulled out, the ratings have gone from as high as 10M to 1.5M and that America is not pleased with the treatment of these kids we've come to feel close to over these years.

There were a number of other non hysterical thoughtful but negative posts about this situation because they were asking why didn't anyone care about these kids before the tabloids hit. Good qwuestion Elizabeth, some people DID. NOT THEIR PARENTS HOWEVER. The people advocating for change were Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin and certain bloggers and the abusenet guy... the parents wanted to keep it all under wraps.
I hope this controversy results in some changes for not just these kids but all kids in reality tv shows. These people are working and no way should their parents get all the money and the kids be left defenseless.

SonnyJR+2 said...

What happened to Joel and riding his bike without training wheels? Joel learned before the others last year. I remember his big smile, so proud of himself and now he's back on the training wheels. Jon did encourage Joel, and K8 couldn't believe Joel could do it.

Have you noticed that all of the tups are still on training wheels? It's K8 who suppresses the tups just to make them stay babylike.

She is not helping them grow in their self esteem, the chewies, getting rid of the piano, the violin, not teaching them how to handle pets, the steering of their little heads the way she wants, these kids are just props for her for the "K8 Aren't I Great" Show... it's sad..she is toxic...

LP said...

I don't know if this will publish twice, but I just made a comment and forgot to put my name on it.

With September sweeps week coming up very soon we can bank on the fact that there will be another BIG announcement. I'm putting my money on "we're going to counseling for the sake of the kids". Face it, this is the only way that they're going to save the show.

a rose is a rose said...

I agree. The owner of the ranch went to shake hands with the boys and they slapped his hand like a high five, instead of a shake. Why?
Because NO ONE ever taught them.

fidosmommy said...

a rose is a rose said...
I agree. The owner of the ranch went to shake hands with the boys and they slapped his hand like a high five, instead of a shake. Why?
Because NO ONE ever taught them.

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They DO know how to shake hands. But there are times when 5 year olds think it's cool to High Five.
On a ranch, where little boys are "dudes", shaking hands seems pretty formal to me.

Then again, they may have been INSTRUCTED to High Five the rancher
because it's "cute". You know, like the little cowboy outfits....
scripted actions....cues from the
background.... well, you know.

No Drama Mama said...

I live about a half hour from the Konpound and finally made my "pilgrimage". LOL My daughter had a doctor appointment in the area and asked if we could see if we could find it so I reluctantly agreed.

It wasn't difficult to find. It is a beautiful property. After seeing it up close, there is no doubt left in my mind that they are living their life in the front of the house simply for the paparazzi. The land and the way the house is placed offer SO MUCH PRIVACY! Why on earth would you live in your FRONT YARD?

Seeing all of it up close made me really sad for the kids.... They will never have any privacy. Jon and Kate should be ashamed of themselves.

heyheyheygoodbye!!! said...

I hate to say this but I was an avid watcher of the first 4 seasons..But I think the last few episodes are so boring.The dude ranch one I actually fell asleep in the middle of it. I DO think there will be 2 more seasons but just of Kate and the kids. Then after those 2 seasons the show will be over and then in 5 years no one will even remember the Gosselins.

Geri said...

LP said...
I don't know if this will publish twice, but I just made a comment and forgot to put my name on it.

With September sweeps week coming up very soon we can bank on the fact that there will be another BIG announcement. I'm putting my money on "we're going to counseling for the sake of the kids". Face it, this is the only way that they're going to save the show.

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That would be ironic because the
first thing a counselor would tell these people is TURN OFF THE CAMERAS. That's why they don't go to counseling. IMHO.

dream said...

episode of twins turn 6 shows kate with wooden spoon in as she is yelling at collin and sitting him in the corner

MickeyMcKean said...

No Drama Mama said...
I live about a half hour from the Konpound and finally made my "pilgrimage". LOL My daughter had a doctor appointment in the area and asked if we could see if we could find it so I reluctantly agreed.

It wasn't difficult to find. It is a beautiful property. After seeing it up close, there is no doubt left in my mind that they are living their life in the front of the house simply for the paparazzi ...

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Thank you for giving in to your daughter's request and at the same time confirming what many of us have long suspected, that is, that Kate, as well as TLC, in their quest to keep interest in the show, have kept the kids in the front yard so the paparazzi can take photos and post them all over the Internet and tabloids.

Question: were there any paps hanging out there hoping for a photo opportunity?

If not, and if it was good weather, or at least a sunny day, I'm pretty sure that Kate calls the paps to let them know their play schedule.

Course we also have photographic evidence that too much exposure [pun intended] can backfire LOL

Let's see, Kate made the cover of a magazine when she was caught spanking one of her daughter, then just last week her kids were video'd hitting a dog with a bat and of course, Kate was busted with a spoon in her car door that even her PR staff tried to blame Jon but failed!

Again, with the TV rating numbers being down, and with what was caught on film last week in particular, I have a feeling that TLC is trying to do damage control and has asked specifically that the kids not be out in the front anytime soon.

OverwithKON~~~ said...

Mrs. Peach said....

Every kid is different, but Kate has this herd mentality, exhibited by dressing them alike. She doesn't get it that they are individuals.

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I agree, I think these parents should be treating each child like a separate person, but then they would not be as *marketable* if they are separated and God forbid actually getting something out of life that is not a freebie. Oh but the BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE. K8 will realise that on her death bed if she does at all.

Stefanie said...

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38746782.html

Check this out. Do any of you guys carry around a wooden spoon in your car?

stopthemadness said...

Exactly, ITA about the reason they won't get counselling. They won't go on counselling or together on any show like Dr Phil because they'll have to face the fact that the answer to salvaging their family, which includes either a marriage or a decent co parenting divorce, as well as their poor kids' childhoods, lies in stopping the exploitation of these kids as unpaid actors 24-7 slipping thru the loopholes of the protection that most kids in this situation would have. Other reality kids aren't having the same uproar about them working because they work less and seem to be much less miserable - are not followed by the paparazzi because their grandstanding parents want to be constnatly in the limelight and milk their 15 minutes in quite the same way.

The Little People kids are much older, quite independent and mouthy if you ask me, and would not hesitate to refuse to be filmed or to indicate their displeasure if they didn't want to participate. For Toddlers in Tiaras it's one show one time - they don't do the same kids over and over and over trying to get rich off a 3 year old. For Duggars, I acutally think the show is good for them as they are so isolated as super Christian homeschoolers it allows them to see that the whole world doesn't revolve around the rural Arkansas evangelical lifestyle/belief system they have. They actually, hopefully, get to meet normal people on their way to and from the creationism museum! But these kids are worse because these cameras aren't just filming them with out them knowing it, it's intrustive, it's scripted, they are being faked out as much as the rest of us are when Kate tells them that the wedding means mommy and daddy are going to be together forever - on top of being close to non stop. It's a rip off to these kids.

OverwithKON~~ said...

Sorry about my comment about the hand shaking above. I dont watch tyhe show, just read the great recaps, and I took what someone else saw and ran with it. So you know what assuming does? right? Makes and a$$ out of u & me! Ha Ha!

Anyway, weather they shake hands or not, they are socially behind, they dont have any friends, actual kids from school over to ride bikes or play in the sand box. So even tho I appoligise for assuming, I dont appoligise for my statement that the tups are behind, for people that are world travelers.

Tazz said...

O.k, I just went to Radar online and there is definitely something strange going on. It took 2 pages to find a story on K8, but the most comments on those 2 pages was 8 (for a Sarah Jessica Parker story),but K8 had over 405 comments. Something stinks here. Note, I didn't click on any comments or pictures.

stopthemadness said...

The boys shook hands and introduced themselves very charmingly, for 4 year olds, in the Hawaii episode. Now they need chewies and give high fives? This is what I mean by seeming to go backwards developmentally. What will they do next, wave bye-bye?

Kids can and often do regress when under a lot of stress and between the divorce and the paparazzi that is just too much to expect these little boys to handle. On top of it you have Kate trashing their father and don't tell me that only happens to the People interviewers and not at home! - whniing about being alone, and asking a 5 YO if he will take care of her.

Kate either does not see or notice her children's pain, or does not care.

Which mom do you want to be?

OverwithKON~~ said...

Which mom do you want to be?

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I want to be and am a great mom, who puts my kids first. They know they are loved, but not the center of the universe. They are kids, with chores and boundries, and love in their lives. And someday when they are grown, they will contribute to society wonderfully, like they do now! That is not the kind of parent K8 is tho. Greed, that is all she is.....

Tyra said...

Tazz...I also found radaronline a little strange when all the comments were only about Jon and Kate. I've come to the conclusion that it is only about 3 o 4 of the same people commenting over and over again. I don't know if they are getting paid or what, but it is awfully strange.Anyone have any good guesses?

cheryl said...

Wouldn't TLC save money in the long run by buying out their contract? No more weekend long trips, security personnel, catering?
The g's would finally be on their own - the first time in about three yrs - pay own utilities, insurance, groceries, fuel for vehicles!!!
Would love to be a fly on the wall.

Margaret said...

I couldn't sleep last night and I deicde to get try the free big brother online feeds. When I signed up for the free trial of the feeds, on "superpass" the site had an ad that told me all the extras I get if I subscribe to big brother feeds, which included watching "the better happier years, the first 4 seasons of Jon and Kate". You can watch Jon and Kate, any episode anytime 24/7 on the superpass site.
Poor kids, anyone who wants can just go on the site and watch the kids anytime. You can't tell me this is good for the kids, to be on 24/7 for anyone to watch.

We shake hand, not slap said...

The boys were NOT instructed to high five the rancher, because he clearly reached out to SHAKE their hands and they very awkwardly slapped his hand. They are regressing and it is apparent. If we don't reinforce good manners to our kids, they do what they want to do. Just my point.

madgesty said...

Ms.Peach said...
...Every kid is different, but Kate has this herd mentality, exhibited by dressing them alike. She doesn't get it that they are individuals.

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She dressed them alike because Gymboree was providing free clothing. Another instance of product placement on this "realist" of reality shows.

Notice that now that that gravy train has stopped, the kids are not dressed alike as much....

TUNDRA said...

Yep I've felt for some time that there is something very hinky about Radar Online and their coverage of Pretty in Pink Kate Gosselin. Don't read much over there. Is it the same handful of Kate fanatics speed posting?

stopthemadness said...

I have to laugh at the idea that kids typically contribute thru chores, pitching in to help around the house - my grandmother used to say "if you don't work, you don't eat."

I think Gosselins have that same rule, only these kids, instead of doing age appropriate chores, are working day in and day out to support the family bringing in $150,000 per week.

At five I thought my kids were doing well to make their beds, clear their plates after dinner and pick up toys and clothes to put them away.

Most adults don't work as much as the Gosselin kids!

madgesty said...

No Drama Mama said...
I live about a half hour from the Konpound and finally made my "pilgrimage".

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I live locally as well, and have been by the Konpound. Ironically, the driveway area is about the ONLY place that affords full exposure for the photogs. The pool area/back of the house are completely secluded and private. Not to mention, there are acres and acres to play on that are not within street view.

The street they live on is long and narrow -- not a place photogs could just plant themselves for hours on end waiting for Kate to appear in a bikini, or to catch her butt stuck to a plastic chair. There are no sidewalks, and no places to "squat" for an extended period of time.

So, I agree with other posters that Kate and/or TLC and/or her PR team tip the photogs off for photo ops.

Kate is the worst kind of attention whore: one who pretends to hate the attention, while simultaneously providing opportunities FOR the attention. So gross.

nanb said...

Jon's mother had an accident at TV studio/home. She was taken away by ambulance. Jon stayed with kids while his brother went to the hospital with Grandma.

It's nice to hear that she was at the house, hope she is okay.

http://www.okmagazine.com/2009/09/jon-gosselins-mother-taken-to-hospital-after-fall/

huh??? said...

I don't know if they are getting paid or what, but it is awfully strange.Anyone have any good guesses?

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I don't get it either. I'm guessing paid interns. Like you I don't read the comments or look at the pictures.

Snerk said...

Really I seriously doubt that TLC has a contract where they would have to buy out the Gosselins. Most contracts like theirs have an option for the network to end the show for various reasons. Show ends and payment ends. No guarantee of x amount to the performers.

MickeyMcKean said...

concerned in LA said...
I am the mother of 3 grown children and grandmother of 3 boys. Some of my happiest memories ... Weekly trips to the library for new books & storytimes. Does K or J even know where the library is? Do they read to their children? Books were huge sources of entertainment & education in our family, especially during those formative years. (Actually Kate will love it - it's free!) The kids learn by example from their parents. Do the kids ever see K or J read a book? I'm sorry, but texting & reading texts on a pink phone do not count!!

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I smiled when I read the above post; I graduated in 1974 and weekly trips to the library to do research for homework or to check out books was "normal".

Better yet, I remember writing and sending a letter via snail mail to the TV network asking that they do not cancel "Here Come the Brides" with Bobby Sherman. Come to think of it, I had to use my own spit for the stamp.

Nowadays I have the access to the Internet and can't recall the last book I read. But according to statistics, I am not alone. As for writing letters to the TV networks and sponsors, email is so much easier and instantaneous and no trees are destroyed!

However, due to the Internet aka the information highway, there is no privacy anymore either. The Gosselin children will someday "google" themselves and their parents and it will be a jolting emotional experience. Not only will they read a lot of articles from around the world that they were exploited for financial gain by their own parents and TLC, but also how their parents aired their dirty laundry about the breakdown of their marriage to make covers of magazines. The kids will also be able to find videos online, and not just from their show but the parodies making fun of their family as well.

After viewing all this info, how will this effect the children going through life? Will their parents ever admit that their actions contributed to the emotional problems these children may or may not develop based upon their early years living under survellience?

Another question I have is directed to the twins - even though I am sure they love their brothers and sisters, will they one day realize that their life turned upside down because of the tups? As it is, Jon & Kate's website is sixgosselins ... did the parents simply forget about the first two kids already on the ground when they came up with this name?

The sooner the plug is pulled on this show the better it will be for all concerned. IMHO all these kids will have problems when they are older, just that the sooner the cameras stop rolling the better.

nancy said...

Typically the people involved in a cable show receive 10% of that show's budget. The budget for the Duggar's show is estimated to be about $400,000, so the family would receive $40,000 per show.
The budget for the Gosselin's show is estimated to be around $750 to $800,000 per episode, so they would split around $75,000 or more between them. The network would not pay the bills at the Gosselin's home as was previously stated.
As a point of interest, if a cable show benefits a business (like the cake show), the participants receive less than 10%.

MickeyMcKean said...

stopthemadness said...
I have to laugh at the idea that kids typically contribute thru chores, pitching in to help around the house - my grandmother used to say "if you don't work, you don't eat."

I think Gosselins have that same rule, only these kids, instead of doing age appropriate chores, are working day in and day out to support the family bringing in $150,000 per week. ...

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My understanding is that the payment is up to $75,000 per episode. This amount would then be divided between Jon and Kate.

Then somewhere I saw a post and the poster thought both Jon and Kate were each paid $75,000; this is why I think $150,000 is in error.

Fact is, I doubt that any of us will know for sure what TLC is paying per episode to the Gosselins and how much, if anything, is what as parents they deem is appropriate to put into trust accounts for each child.

What I did find interesting though is that someone on this blog somewhere posted how much money they could make just based upon what they have in the bank. It showed that they could live quite comfortably even with a family of 8 kids.

Course when greed is involved, one always wants more ...

Chris said...

I decided to ask at zap2it.com experts what the ratings meant for Jon & Kate last week 8/31/09. They had the final rating posted and it was 2.25 million. They answered right away, so if anyone has any questions or wants more infomation I would ask over on zap2it.com.

This is the explanation I got when I asked what the numbers meant:

"From the finals, they were 1.5/2 HH. To get the viewership, just times the first HH number by about 1.5 (the second number is the market share). So it earned around 2.25 million viewers for that airing. I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask."

MickeyMcKean said...

So we all don't click on the same link and add "fuel to the flame"

From www.okmagazine.com:

OK! has learned that Jon Gosselin’s mother has been taken to a Pennsylvania hospital after injuring herself at the home where Jon’s eight children live with his soon-to-be-ex wife Kate Gosselin.

An ambulance arrived at the Wernersville, PA, home around 3pm on Saturday afternoon. It is believed that she hit her head during the fall. A source close to the story tells OK! that everything is okay.

Kate was not at the house at the time of the incident, but the children were there along with one of Jon’s brothers.

Jon remained at home to stay with the children while his brother followed the ambulance to the hospital.

Krazy Karma said...

I guess his mom or grandmother's injury wasn't critical since Jon just twittered this a minute ago:

"Home!!!!! The kids loved the vegas treats (now just have to clean up the sugar factory wrappers). Definitely worth it though, missed them!"

Shell said...

why is Tlc only putting a new show on every 2 weeks, last weeks was new, week before was a repeat next new show is the 14th they only restarted the season Aug 3 and we have already seen repeats. sounds like trouble I perdicted in June on a fansite that the show will be over by Sept. sounds like I might not of been far off.
It also looks by the commercials on tlc that table for 12 is comming back, they are on a commercial for families and J&K plus 8 was NOT on that same commercial.

shell said...

Hope his mom is OK. I love the fact that Jon invites his family over to get to know the kids when Kate is not around. I bet kate hates that as she never had anything to say about Jons family in all these yrs.

Connie said...

MickeyMcKean said...
So we all don't click on the same link and add "fuel to the flame"

From www.okmagazine.com:

OK! has learned that Jon Gosselin’s mother has been taken to a Pennsylvania hospital after injuring herself at the home where Jon’s eight children live with his soon-to-be-ex wife Kate Gosselin.

An ambulance arrived at the Wernersville, PA, home around 3pm on Saturday afternoon. It is believed that she hit her head during the fall. A source close to the story tells OK! that everything is okay.

Kate was not at the house at the time of the incident, but the children were there along with one of Jon’s brothers.

Jon remained at home to stay with the children while his brother followed the ambulance to the hospital.
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I clicked on this a minute agao and there was an update saying that it MIGHT have been Jon's GRANDMOTHER. OK Mag supposed to finding out for sure.

Sad Librarian said...

About the children not reading - the biggest evidence of this to me was when the boys were left at the ranch so Kate could shoot her guns. One of the ranch hands, commenting to one of the boys carrying the kitten in his hat, joked about him having the "cat in the hat". There was not even a glimmer of recognition to the Dr. Seuss book from any of the boys. It was such a small thing, but it made me very sad...

Dee said...

Was looking at TV listings for this coming Monday. Noticed there was no new episode for J&K+8. Went to the following week and noticed the same thing. Checked TLC site, and at least for the next couple weeks, there are only re-runs. Think this might be the end of the series?

goawayfools said...

Hope Jon's mom is okay. Thrilled to hear she and Jon's brother were visiting with the kids. And this is random, but another poster mentioned a few days ago that Hannah looked just like Jon's mom. She sure does; spitting image.

allthingsmustcometoanend said...

This would be a PERFECT time for this series to end. TLC might be able to redeem itself if they pull the plug now. Ratings are dropping, The kids seem sad and just going through the motions. Kate is being exposed as not watchable and everything she says and does rings false.

We don't need to invade these kid's dentist and doctor appointments anymore. They are out of the woods of any health issues preemies can have. They need to read and study and have private time. They need to reconnect with family.

The kids are getting more verbal and less joyful and the things they say and do now just show that this is wearing on them. Apart from not contributing to the numbers, I simply find this show too sad to watch and I think more and more people are feeling the same way I am.

Nana Sew Dear said...

Folks, I don't have anything against reality shows that can teach others and improve the quailty of someone's life. The need a channel called "Positive Reality". Rather than being a moving tabloid it could have shows about people working together, overcoming obstacles or those that can be an inspiration to us all. I hope that someone with bucks will pick up this idea and put TLC (tacky, lousy and cheap) out of business.
Anyone with suggestions of life-affirming reality shows?

She's ok said...

It was reported that Jon's Grandmother was the one that fell and hit her head, but she is ok.
Its nice that his family is visiting with the children.

London said...

I am glad that Jon brought his mom and brothers to see his kids so the kids are not isolated from the world and caged inside Kate's bad influence. Now they have a chance to learn from other adults who are not their disrespectful mother and submissive nanny who is afraid of Kate.

ettie said...

KrazyKarma
I guess his mom or grandmother's injury wasn't critical since Jon just twittered this a minute ago:

"Home!!!!! The kids loved the vegas treats (now just have to clean up the sugar factory wrappers). Definitely worth it though, missed them!"

I don't think that is the "real" John Gosselin's twitter account. Don't know for sure, but there was some horrid post about Maddy on it, and then a follow up post saying Haylie shouldn't drink and twitter. JMO

pleaseendthissham said...

Sad exchanges between the Gosselin children and parents or to cameras in the last few episodes

Alexis "Daddy, I don't want you to go away anymore"

Alexis "I don't kiss friends, only parents! Daddy, I only love you!
Jon "I love you"

Alexis in same episode "I like to hug (school friend) a lot so that she will like me"

Joel to Kate when Kate's telling him not to be so clingy "I like you" Kate "well, you're stuck with me!"

Aaden "Mommy's gone! When Mommy's gone we can do whatever we want. It's true!"

Hannah at dentist "I like to give Daddy kisses.... whenever I see him"

These children are hurting. They are displaying separation anxiety and signs of distress. It's just not fun to watch. TLC please pull the plug and let these children cope with the changes in their lives and heal in private.

Ohio Buckeye said...

NanaSewDear said, "Folks, I don't have anything against reality shows that can teach others and improve the quailty of someone's life. The need a channel called "Positive Reality". Rather than being a moving tabloid it could have shows about people working together, overcoming obstacles or those that can be an inspiration to us all. I hope that someone with bucks will pick up this idea and put TLC (tacky, lousy and cheap) out of business.
Anyone with suggestions of life-affirming reality shows?"
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Want to know how naive I am? When I first heard about "Survivor", I tuned in, expecting exactly what you describe - an experience of people at their best, working as a team to help and support each other and the best leader would win.

HA! Boy, was I off the mark in my expectations.

That was my first taste of 'reality' tv, and my take away is that, for reasons I don't pretend to understand, there is a large audience that enjoys watching humans at their absolute worst. Shows like "Toddlers & Tiaras" is but one example. For the genre of 'reality' programming it seems that the more crass, the more base, the better. I don't get it.

JMO, but I think anyone who wants what you describe and what I thought "Survivor" was going to be all about, it is unlikely it will be found on any 'reality' shows.

At this point, the whole construct of 'reality' tv seems to be built pretty much on this foundation, which is why I am SO not a fan of 'reality' programming. To me, it is an absolute misnomer, as it is anything but 'reality'.

Ohio Buckeye said...

PleaseEndThisSham said, "These children are hurting. They are displaying separation anxiety and signs of distress. It's just not fun to watch. TLC please pull the plug and let these children cope with the changes in their lives and heal in private."
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Amen and well said!

Pony said...

LP said...
"
With September sweeps week coming up very soon we can bank on the fact that there will be another BIG announcement."

There aren't any sweeps in September. The next sweeps month is November. They may be saving new episodes for November.

konspiracytheory said...

jonandkatewho? said:

I just have to get this off my chest. A poster on another thread recently said they were glad to see Kate not pulling the little kids around by the arms anymore.

What drives me insane is the way that woman puts her big claw of a hand up on those boys' heads and steers them along. I can't stand it when she does that. Recently on an episode, she said something like "heads as steering wheels"...while clamping down on a boy's head and steering him.

I don't know why this irritates me so much but it does. It must feel awful to those little boys to have their mom do that to them. It's rude and disrespectful if you ask me.

Cruel bitch.

Sorry for the rant. I'm done for now.

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Amen, my friend. Both the "pulling around by the arm" and "head-steering" drive me nuts.

I haven't seen the whole dude ranch episode, but I did see one part where Kate and the boys are on a hike - apparently one of the boys tripped (not caught on camera) - Kate drags him off the ground like a sack of potatoes and in a really annoyed tone of voice announces how she "lost a life" witnessing this, and basically shoves him to make him start walking again. Yet another display of stellar parenting by the queen...

Phiasmom said...

I dont know if this has been mentioned lately, but i caught a quick moment of an old J&K episode where Jon takes Aiden out to run errands. Joel is upset that it isnt his turn and cries the whole time. Standing in the garage Kate says "Joel cries every time Jon leaves. Every single time. He's afraid he won't come back. Maybe he knows something i don't."

Just thought it was ironic. :)

kate_in_cali said...

The next new episode on 9/14 coincides nicely with Kate's first day on The View so she can be sure to plug away and implore folks to tune in that evening in an attempt to bump the ratings back up. I think that is why they have been flip-flopping the new episodes; have you noticed every Monday there has been a new one she's had an interview that same week/day?

Like she said, she will keep going, and going, and going.

Really sad.

Joyce said...

Standing in the garage Kate says "Joel cries every time Jon leaves. Every single time. He's afraid he won't come back. Maybe he knows something i don't."

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My first impression was that kids probably heard parents yelling at each other like "Get out of the house", "I want you to leave", "I had enough, I am going to leave". Kids don't imagine dad won't come back for no good reason. They must have heard something.

Mom of twins said...

Hello, I wanted to respond to the poster who went by the Konpound. I will pull my head up from shame and admit, back in March, I drove almost a hour and a half to see the house. Yes, my kids wanted to see it, who had watched the show up until then, but I wanted to also.

It was dusk when I arrived, and there was no paps around then, even though they were hot on the gossips pages then also. The property is not appreciated in photos or on tv. It is gorgeous. The grass was so green and lush, even though Spring had just started hardly. There is like the poster said, not much room and very secluded. There was a guy near the gate, though I don't know if he was security or a vistor. HE was on the inside. HE shot me a dirty look, like he was going to come over shortly if I didn't leave. I was overwhelmed with sadness at what should be a beautiful retreat had turned into a prison. The house is so huge, yet kinda homey at the same time. I did notice, when all the cars drove by about ten or so, noone stopped or slowed down. I think I was kinda disappointed there was no activity, but it did give me a chance to see the beauty of the area. Up the road from the house there are a couple of other beautiful homes.

I will say this with certanity, now having seen it. They know exactly what they are doing hanging out by the garage area. They have so much property and privacy available to them, it makes no sense. For those who have said they need the concrete to ride their bikes. For a thousand dollars, or even five, for a huge area, they could pour concrete anywhere there was privacy for the kids to play with their big wheels and bikes. Why aren't these parents shielding their children?

I am not watching now. Not because of ratings or even this site. I just can't stand the sound of Kate's voice, and the hypocrisy and lies anymore. When I change channels and come across her, it almost makes my skins crawl. I can't stand the way John is acting, yet even watching him does not bother me to that degree.

Krazy Karma said...

To Ettie.

@jongosselin1 is jon's real twitter account. His publicist confirmed it and that day, he got like 20,000 followers alone. The other account you were talking about is fake. It's interesting to read people twittering him. They either hate him or love him.

konhasyoufooled said...

No Drama Mama said...

I live about a half hour from the Konpound and finally made my "pilgrimage". LOL My daughter had a doctor appointment in the area and asked if we could see if we could find it so I reluctantly agreed.

It wasn't difficult to find. It is a beautiful property. After seeing it up close, there is no doubt left in my mind that they are living their life in the front of the house simply for the paparazzi. The land and the way the house is placed offer SO MUCH PRIVACY! Why on earth would you live in your FRONT YARD?

Seeing all of it up close made me really sad for the kids.... They will never have any privacy. Jon and Kate should be ashamed of themselves.

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I totally agree! My daughter lives appx half hour from them and we drove by on Fathers Day on our way to Texas Roadhouse for dinner and you can't see anything going on in the back yard from the road so if they truly wanted privacy like they CLAIM then they would NOT be hanging out in the front yard.

It is beautiful isn't it? I guess trading your soul for money was worth it for them.

Did you see the infamous paps? When we drove by there were around 6-7 hanging out and we didn't see anybody around and as you saw for yourself there isn't anywhere to park and stare contradicting what Jon mentioned once about like a 100 cars sitting along side of the rode at any given time. they really should memorize the lies they tell constantly

konhasyoufooled said...

Stefanie said...

http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/38746782.html

Check this out. Do any of you guys carry around a wooden spoon in your car?

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Guess Kate needs to have the spoon handy in case she needs to WHIP something (someone) up in a hurry.

SAD

ettie said...

Krazy Karma
To Ettie.

@jongosselin1 is jon's real twitter account. His publicist confirmed it and that day, he got like 20,000 followers alone. The other account you were talking about is fake. It's interesting to read people twittering him. They either hate him or love him.

Thanks for the info-I'm going to re-add him to my twitter now!

goawayfools said...

I too find the very sound of Kate's voice annoying as hell, ALL of her voices. The screechy bitch ("Jooooooon....."), the little girl, the betrayed wife, the idiot trying to sound intelligent during voiceovers, the drunk trying to imitate a country accent, and of course, the big, fat liar. And it's not just what she's saying, it's the actual sound of her nasally voice that makes the blood pressure rise. Oh, those poor kids.

dkny said...

Just saw on Radar that Jon's grandma fell at their house this weekend. It is interesting that now that Kate is out of the house, Jon seems to have rediscovered his family and is allowing them to spend time with the kids. Not a Jon lover but just saying...

Ms.Peach said...

jonandkatewho?said...

What drives me insane is the way that woman puts her big claw of a hand up on those boys' heads and steers them along. I can't stand it when she does that. Recently on an episode, she said something like "heads as steering wheels"...while clamping down on a boy's head and steering him.
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Me, too. I think she doesn't like holding their icky boy hands.

LP said...

You're right, sweeps aren't in September. I was thinking of new shows starting and summer reruns being over....Maybe they'll have the big Thanksgiving get together to bump up the ratings.

MINka's tail said...

I also checked out the opposite of this site, to be fair. Those on team Kate's side believe three facts that are in dispute.

#1-Kate was never verbally abusive to him. If she was, he asked for it. It's normal married banter, she was stressed. He should have been a man, anyway.

My decision: Still on TEAM JON. Her behavior to him got worse as the kids got older and they got richer. Blaming stress for, say, Coupongate, is ridiculous.

Issue #2-They say that Kate was working, not playing, when she was on the road. Here the belief is that she had plenty of free time for fancy meals, spas, and maybe hanky-panky with Mr. Grey.

My decision: Kate herself said she loved traveling. Most people who travel for their jobs don't like it very much, and most mothers of young children hate it. How many pop stars with young kids try to limit their touring? Barenaked Ladies, Killers, many, many others. If she really had to work hard, or live under harsh conditions on the road, she'd be whining. TEAM JON takes it, unless I see a schedule that proves otherwise.

Issue #3: They claim that Jon cheated on her. His side says they were already separated, with a contract, at her request, when he began dating.

My decision: This is the toughest. Did Jodi and Kevin know about the contract at the time he signed it? Has anyone ever seen it? Does he have a copy hidden someplace? For now, INCOMPLETE.

Another NEW CAR said...

Just read Jon bought a Mercedes Benz!!!! Delivered to his home Sat. right before his grandmother fell. Glad she is OK Jon!!! Enjoy your another/new car!!! SIGH can I have an old one? I live in PA. I'll come get it! Thanks!

Tami said...

I just don't believe in this 'jr. kindergarten thing. It is just another year of preschool. My child just started preschool and I've had 2 in kindergarten and it's really not different. The only thing she is doing is cutting the time they are in school down to a few days a week so she can get them on camera. They could easily go to regular kindergarten. Is the school really even calling it jr. kindergarten or are they calling it pre-k or preschool? IMO it is bogus. It takes a few days of adjustment for any kid to start school but then it's fine. Less time at school though=more money in her pocket for episodes. Gross!

Katie O said...

I think we should give credit where credit is due. Jon invited family over to his house to see/play with the kids and I think that is AWESOME. I haven't read if the TLC cameras were there, but at least the kids are FINALLY getting to spend quality time with their grandparents/great-grandparents. Good for Jon for bringing them back into their lives! Maybe the Kreider's are next....

just wondering said...

Has it occurred to anyone that it may be Kate's family who doesn't want anything to do with her? If they were interested in seeing the Gosselin family I'm sure we would have heard about it by now.

No Drama Mama said...

@MickeyMcKean: Not a paparazzi or fan in sight. It was a beautiful day, too. It was the day Kate too the tups to the dairy farm. Actually, I drove by around 7 PM so perhaps they were inside getting ready for bed?

@Madgesty: I totally agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY this:

Kate is the worst kind of attention whore: one who pretends to hate the attention, while simultaneously providing opportunities FOR the attention.

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I still have alot of thoughts going through my mind since driving by on Thursday night. I just can't get THIS THOUGHT out of my mind: This property affords them SO MUCH PRIVACY yet they live their lives IN THE FRONT YARD. Also, there is absolutely NOWHERE for paparazzi to sit and wait. It is a long, NARROW road. The paps are given a time and date when Kate and Jon will display the tups. Also, the paps are tipped off by either J&K or TLC where J&K will be ie: Target, UPS Store, and Starbucks.

I am so thankful they have opened another Target nearby so I no longer have to go to the one in Wyomissing. Also, this Target has a Starbucks in it so if I have a craving I don't have to go to the one Kate frequents!

nanyc said...

Could somebody please clarify for me why people are upset that the kids are in junior kindergarten? They were due in August and the cut-off date is September 1st so they're pretty close to being where they should be.
As a point of interest, they attend full-day school 3 days a week in JK - where we live 5 year olds in senior kindergarten attend 5 half days a week. That means that the Gosselins kids are attending a half-day longer than typical 5 year olds around here. Seems like enough to me.
I do think it would be in their best interests for a private tutor or speech therapist to work with the kids at home, especially the boys (from what I've seen). Hopefully they are doing that, or they've arranged for it to happen sometime before they start full-time school.

Ladylou said...

What is this now... Jon's 4th or 5th very high priced new car in 6 months?
What happened to the other new ones? Maybe he's giving them away as gifts?
This newest Mercedes doesn't even look his style. Another $60,000 of the children's money wasted on eye candy and pure selfishness.
What is he trying to prove?
I am having a hard time staying with team Jon.... I'll never be team Kate.

I wish all this J&K crap would go away.
I have never seen the likes of two no-body's becoming "somebody's"
and have no merits for the stature they have. Just people off the street and look at what they have.
Only here in America.......

my9cats said...

Chris
Thank you for the ratings info.
I am a little confused though.

"From the finals, they were 1.5/2 HH. To get the viewership, just times the first HH number by about 1.5 (the second number is the market share). So it earned around 2.25 million viewers for that airing. I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask."

Are they adding each show and coming up with 2.25? IMPOV the show should be treated as any other 1 hour show. The odds are very strong that those who watched the first half will stick around for the second. It seems they are counting those people twice to come up with that number. IMO
This is confusing for me to write. Maybe another poster understands what I am trying to say and phrase it better.
Thanks again.

goawayfools said...

Minkas tail: I doubt Jon cheated because Kate never once said she was upset about his infidelity (playing the sympathy card) or accused Jon/ Jodi and Kevin of lying about the contract (playing the screechy I'm-always-right card). You just KNOW she would have been yelling at the top of her lungs if Jon had cheated on her. She would have used it to garner sympathy for herself, to make Jon look bad, and gain advantage with the divorce and division of assets and future work. JMO, seeing as she is pure evil.

Midnight Serenade said...

"Could somebody please clarify for me why people are upset that the kids are in junior kindergarten? They were due in August and the cut-off date is September 1st so they're pretty close to being where they should be."

Exactly. And what should be stressed is that the Pre-Kindergarten class in the private school is so advanced that it is on the same level as regular Kindergarten at a public school.

The kids are where they should be, and they will be fine.

konhasyoufooled said...

I still have alot of thoughts going through my mind since driving by on Thursday night. I just can't get THIS THOUGHT out of my mind: This property affords them SO MUCH PRIVACY yet they live their lives IN THE FRONT YARD. Also, there is absolutely NOWHERE for paparazzi to sit and wait. It is a long, NARROW road. The paps are given a time and date when Kate and Jon will display the tups. Also, the paps are tipped off by either J&K or TLC where J&K will be ie: Target, UPS Store, and Starbucks.

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I agree once again. when we drove by on fathers day there were paps outside around 12:30 pm then when we got home that night I read that Jon was giving out autographs and talking to the paps that day so that explains why they were there. There def is no place to park or stand.

Ratings?? said...

My9cats: I totally agree with you! I hate the way they do that and back when they had the 10 million viewers I read an article that seriously questioned the way they figure ratings. The real test will come as to whether or not the show is profitable any longer. J&K are making more and more money and someone posted that they are getting more and more perks. So I guess it doesn't matter how they post their ratings. Only if they are making less and less money will there be an issue. We can hope, I guess but it is discouraging.

abbie said...

TLC will wake up when the gap between what they pay the gosselins vs. the money TLC is making becomes a lot tighter. They have an endless stream of freakshows and mind-benders at TLP. To me, it's the trash channel.

NewWester said...

"just wondering said...
Has it occurred to anyone that it may be Kate's family who doesn't want anything to do with her? If they were interested in seeing the Gosselin family I'm sure we would have heard about it by now"


Considering how Kate is and the media circus that has sprung up around the Gosselins that would not surprise me at all. They may not want to be dragged into it.
But it does raise a few questions:
Why have the tabloids not done some digging into this estrangement between Kate and her family?
Also what could have been so awful that Kate's family wants to have nothing to do with her? We know about the disagreement between Kate and her brother, but what about her parents .Come to think about it, do Kate and Jon even have any friends?
For a couple who are so willing to expose their children's most private moments to the world, the public really does not know that much about them. Maybe one of the eight children will write a tell all book in twenty years and we will find out!!!

nancy said...

TLC can't really skew the numbers of viewers. It's done by Nielsen which is an old, independent company. What they CAN do is issue press releases to brag about big numbers and keep quiet about smaller ones. That doesn't stop the numbers from being published, they just might be harder to find.

I read an article that stated it's not just the total numbers that matter, it's also the age group. The most profitable viewing group is aged 18 to 49. You could have a huge viewership but of the wrong age range and it wouldn't be as well regarded. The article mentioned that Murder She Wrote had tons of viewers but since they were older folks the numbers weren't considered to be great.

Jon and Kate does suck in the demographic that's super valuable, so it is very viable even if the viewership drops some more.

PA Midstate Mommy said...

Ok, I have to rant for a bit. I was watching Dateline as I was cleaning up the dinner dishes, and Tom Brokaw presented a short clip from a new show he's going to have on USA called "American Character," obviously something the Gosselins have none of. The piece featured a young family in Ohio who were struggling financially after the husband lost his job with DHL. The couple had four children, one with cerebral palsey, and were pinching pennies, and truly clipping coupons in order to get by and pay for their child's medical expenses. Brokaw interviewed the couple, who were extremely nice and well spoken, and despite their misfortune, very gracious. Watching this couple, I just couldn't help but think about those greedy Gosselins, and how everything is handed to them, and how ungrateful they are. It's all more, more, more, gimme, gimme, gimme!! And all these sponsors and conference organizers, and media outlets just keep adding fuel to the fire. This couple is exactly the kind of people Khate turns her nose up at, and thinks she is so much better than. Frankly Khate, you're not worthy to lick the bottom of that wife's shoes! Ok, rant over...for now.

SADEY said...

So I have an opinion about why we do see Jon's family come around. I think that Jon probably did allow Kate to dictate who was allowed to be part of their lives and who wasn't. Kate has no emotional ties or bond. Sad to say but true. I also do believe that because Kate had her bodyguard in his family over, Jon figured I'll invite my family over and I know that"ll get her. Maybe Kate is not happy because now guess what Jon's family can now enjoy the children without her interference and say so

stopthemadness said...

Every loving relative who comes into the kids lives blesses them and must drive Kate nuts - each person lessens her control over what they think. see, hear and feel. Those people will not share Kate's perspectives on everything, the kids' world will begin to open up and sooner or later some uncle or granny is going to say something to the kids or to Jon and be overheard by one or more kids, about this situation - how Kate kept them all away etc.

Kate was on the road for weeks at a time with Jon home alone, he could have had his family over at any time but until he actually did not have to physically live with her or be around her and her screaming abuse (couplongate) was he willing to do things that she would have had a fit about. He's a free man now, I don't like everything he is doing with his freedom but getting the grandma back in the kids' lives is certainly positive, and that they should know their uncle as well.

WHo is to say Jon can't take them back to Hawaii for a visit to extended family when it's his 'turn'?

The older they get and the more expposed they are to others who are safe caring adults the better it is for them IMO. They are NOT America's family they are Kreider and Gosselin's family.

Anne said...

A Mercedes SUV now. These are two very unhappy people trying to buy happiness with material things IMO.

Years from now they will realize they had 8 beautiful children right in front of their eyes that could have provided them with more true happiness than they ever could have imagined. By then it will be too late and the kids will have gotten as much distance from these two as possible.

To me, Kate's spending seems to be a woman searching for happiness she will never find - without the help of a good therapist.

Jon's spending seems revenge driven. I've lived under your thumb for 10 years, look at me now. A rebellious child.

Tami said...

Could somebody please clarify for me why people are upset that the kids are in junior kindergarten? They were due in August and the cut-off date is September 1st so they're pretty close to being where they should be.
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Well I know what a lot of people said when it was discussed before. Not every kid loves being older than most of the class. I graduated at 17. I know that it does bother some kids to not be with most of their peers and again, the only reason she is doing this is for the show. And that is the sickest thing of all. I am questioning how jr. kindergarten is any different from pre-k. IMO it just another year of pre-k. And as for whether the fact that it is supposed to be some advanced private school rather than a little ol' regular public school, not buying that either. All school districts are different. Some public schools are excellent while my sister is sending her kids to a private school that she has been less than happy with.

Tami said...

#1-Kate was never verbally abusive to him. If she was, he asked for it. It's normal married banter, she was stressed. He should have been a man, anyway.

My decision: Still on TEAM JON. Her behavior to him got worse as the kids got older and they got richer. Blaming stress for, say, Coupongate, is ridiculous.
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Seeing the comments over and over at the bottom of articles that she needed to be that way because Jon is immature pissed me off so much. They must have never seen the shows I did. They don't know that she slept in while HE cared for the kids after she made him quit his job because she could not handle the kids? She sat on the couch clueless as to what happened, i.e, how he makes their lunches and gets them ready for school, etc. She did NOT need to be controlling over things such as crayons, ice cream, what shoes they wore, etc, etc. That is just asinine behavior. It had nothing to do with being organized or needed to "raise a 9th child". He was perfectly capable of being a dad and she just wanted to be a bitch. How they justify that she just had to behave that way over petty things is beyond me. No excuses.

MayDay said...

Well it is almost Labor Day 2009
(by the way, my anniversary, 28 years) and Kate's promise to put a weekly devotional up on their website from Labor 2008 to Labor Day 2009- what a joke!! What did she get seven done and then no more. Promises, promises, lies and more lies.

fidosmommy said...

My9Cats, I think we're all confused about how the ratings are
scored. It would seem to me that the ratings should be treated as if they were two completely separate programs, like 1/2 hour of
Wheel of Fortune and 1/2 hour of Jeopardy. Many overlapping viewers, but count them separately!
Do not add them together or average them!

stopthemadness said...

I never saw Kate freaking out at Jon as a natural result of something he was doing. He was doing more than many husbands, even possibly than most husbands, while she quite often was doing nothing. The toy store trip, the snapping and screaming at him to do this or that with the kids, it wasn't because Jon was being "immature." The things Kate thought needed doing instantly to her specifications were bullsh*t. You pick your battles in life, with husband, kids, job, and anything else. For Kate the whole world was a battle, everything was super important and it was all Jon's FAULT. Then she would do the exact opposite of what she preaches to him - can you imagine if SHE had told Cara to wear sandals and JON allowed her to wear flip flops? Stand with me or against me. More like stand with me or get run over.
Kate's excuse is that she is a beeyotch. The excuse of her sheeple that look at that show and say "Oh, she needed to act like that because she had 9 kids" - from whence is this coming? Because he knows how to play with them and let them FGS have an ice cream or play naturally with playdoh or COMPLETE the activity of pumpking carving before she determines it absolutely must end for no reason or must not happen because she didn't have the foresight to bring wipes or a clean shirt?

If these Kate fans treat their kids and husbands like that then I guess she's their queen, anything she does must be wonderful and anyone she hurts deserves to be hurt, and let's give him a good kick while he is down, also.

You just wonder how that kind of empowerment and self entitlement and cheerleading from her fans is going to affect the kids. I guess she "has to" treat them like servants too, because she had 8, because they are kids, because she "has to" support them in a mansion instead of a regular affordable house that doesn't require them all to work. BEE ESS!!

Midnight Serenade said...

"He was perfectly capable of being a dad and she just wanted to be a bitch. How they justify that she just had to behave that way over petty things is beyond me. No excuses."

Why did he put up with it for so many years? Why didn't he stand up to her? There was so much going on that we don't know about. There are always two sides to every issue.

girl said...

"Maybe Kate is not happy because now guess what Jon's family can now enjoy the children without her interference and say so"

Kate is not happy because Jon's family can now hang out in that big mansion that she thinks "It's all mine, mine, mine!". Suck it! Kate.

Also Kate doesn't like that other adults that are not under her control can teach her children different values than what she is teaching them. For example, grandma or uncle might say "It's Ok not to act cute in front of camera, just be yourself", "It's Ok not to be super clean", "It's NOT OK to put down others like your mom did".

fidosmommy said...

stopthemadness said...
I never saw Kate freaking out at Jon as a natural result of something he was doing. He was doing more than many husbands, even possibly than most husbands, while she quite often was doing nothing. The toy store trip, the snapping and screaming at him to do this or that with the kids, it wasn't because Jon was being "immature."


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In my work I have seen many adults who critize their spouses or their friends or co-workers WHEN THEY SEE THE SPOUSE OR FRIEND DOING SOMETHING BETTER THAN THEY DO IT THEMSELVES. It's a defense against the reality that they themselves stink at their jobs.

Case in point. I worked in a place where my boss was also my colleague (yep). He was floundering at his job and there were many complaints about him. So, instead of cleaning up his own act, he started picking on the other people - the secretary, the janitor, some other part-time employees, and finally me. Little things would set him off, but most especially when we were doing our jobs well and he was just trying to keep an even keel himself. The better our evaluations from the Personnel Department, the worse things got for us. He climbed all over me one day because my bookshelves had books out of order. However, his life was out of order, and so he just
started trying to control all of us over the stupid stuff. If he could not improve himself, he would improve us. He transferred his own fears and insecurities onto us, and we became his whipping boys/girls. Meanwhile, he believed he was the greatest gift the world had ever seen.

Annies said...

They definitely know how to shake hands. Last summer in one of the Hawaii episodes each sextuplet took turns shaking the hotel kitchen lady's hand, when they made cookies. I remember because Aaden in particular was so adorble. They each asked her name, said their own name, said nice to meet you, and shook her hand.

But Annies says:
Oh yea, I think forom seeing many episodes, the tups social graces are lacking.. Kate is too into herself and "career" to spend any decent amount of time teaching them any of this.

*db* said...

I don't know, when I ask my husband to do something concerning the kids...I do just that, ask and always with a please can you? I NEVER tell him to do anything, nor he I. I have NO control over him, he is a grown human being and I wouldn't want to control him even if I could. To me this is just demeaning and humiliating to the other partner. There's no reason why two grown adults can not talk to each other in a civilized calm voice and if they can't , then take it away from the kids, they do not need to hear you arguing about an issue concerning them. JMO

Sassypaws said...

stopthemadness stated:

'WHo is to say Jon can't take them back to Hawaii for a visit to extended family when it's his 'turn'?"

Actually Kate probably can. It is normal in a custody agreement that the children can't leave the custodial jurisdiction without the approval of both of the parents. So the only way either parent can take the children out of state is with the other parent's approval.

Ancient of Days said...

OverWithKON said:

I dont appoligise for my statement that the tups are behind, for people that are world travelers.
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Are they world travelers? I'll admit I don't watch the show any longer, but I do read about the episodes, and I don't recall their having gone any farther from Pennsylvania than Hawaii.

I know there was some discussion about a potential trip to (South) Korea; did that ever happen?

MomIAm said...

#1-Kate was never verbally abusive to him. If she was, he asked for it. It's normal married banter, she was stressed. He should have been a man, anyway.

Wow, I had to jump in about this. Who asks to be abused? This is NOT normal married banter! When I ask my husband to do something, I generally use please/thank you and make sure I am aware of what else he is doing so as not to ask too much. We both pitch in; sometimes one person doing more than the other but it evens out in the end.

In the few episodes I saw of jk8, she sat around "watching" the kids all the while complaining about not having any help, while Jon was busy setting up beds, or putting up shelves or doing something else constructive. She put up roadblocks and whined. Why didn't she read to them or have them work on interactive projects?

On another topic, Jon made his own decision when he married Kate. I'm tired of the comments that she snared a young inexperienced man. Come on, she is only two years older than Jon. People of all ages, except the very young, need to take responsibility for their actions. My little ones were told since they were in elementary school, that they are responsible for certain decisions and making the wrong decision will result in consequences, some of them unpleasant.

AuntieBon said...

I'm wondering if the cars are also some kind of a promotional deal. I know that radio personalities in my area will be given cars to drive in return for on air ads. Might just be product placement by a local car dealership? Just a thought....

Carol who abhors Khate said...

The funny thing about Khate is that she thinks that her house is a 'mansion'. Please........it's just a bigger house with more rooms in it. I've seen plenty of mansions and believe me, her's isn't. It's nice, don't get me wrong but a mansion???? Not so much.

MollyP said...

But Annies says:
Oh yea, I think forom seeing many episodes, the tups social graces are lacking.. Kate is too into herself and "career" to spend any decent amount of time teaching them any of this.
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You need to have social graces in order to be able to teach them....

luvthekids said...

OH MAN! I was a sheeple. Loved the kids. Loved the show. Believed everything. Forgave Kate. Thought Jon was a saint. Then the first bar picture. OK, lots of Christians drink. And what happened to church? But I kept watching because of the kids. However, after Jon's first gf, I was no longer on the Jon-team and found I couldn't watch anymore. Even for the kids. I have not watched the new season at all. But thought today I would record to know the sponsors and who to boycott. Setting it up now. First commercial! I can't watch! No! Not V 8. I love V 8. But funny, pregnancy test! ha. A great sponsor would be birth control for Jon. Or AA. Or for both over spenders anonymous. For Jon gf's under 30 annonymous? You guys think of any other good sponsors for the show as it is now? ha have a great Labor Day.

marypoppins said...

stopthemadness said...
You pick your battles in life, with husband, kids, job, and anything else.
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Very wise words!

shilohpeace said...

OMG, Kate was so verbally abusive to Jon. It was as obvious as holding a lantern up to the sun to see. Watch the old shows. She corrects him. She berates him. She criticizes him. He is too fat, he eats to much, he doesn't speak correctly, he doesn't breathe correctly, he doesn't take initiative, he doesn't say can I help you when she is freaking out, he should tell her that she is wrong after she berates him and essentially calls him stupid because he tries to get the right shoes on the kids, he is NEVER around her to help. Her sarcastic tone of voice... her mimicking him constantly, her screaming for him every 5 minutes no matter what happened... Jon, JON, JON, JOOOOOOONNNNN!!! Kate is so obviously abusive and it makes me confused and sad to know that apparently some people don't see this in her. I cannot imagine people not seeing her for what she really is and how fake she is being now in front of the camera. The woman is on the verge of a breakdown because she cannot keep up the facade for long.

Ladylou said...

Happy Labor Day to all of us who "Labor". That's the thing we all have in common and Kon has no clue.

I just gave my yearly contribution to MDA and Jerry Lewis.
We lost a house last year (the first one of 5 houses we bought & lived in thru out our 37 yr marriage) the story behind it is too long to go into. Hubby and myself worked very hard for all we had, raised 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren. Circumstances being as they were we had no choice but to let a home we were in for 5 years go in foreclosure.
We blame only ourselves.

We live a frugal lifestyle now.
We do however give tithes to our church... everything we have belongs to Our heavenly Father so we give to Him first.
I may give a dollar or two to charities I see on the road collecting.. fireman, police any of that sort of thing.
By the end of the month we don't have even $10.00 for ourselves but we have never gone hungry.

When I made my pledge I instantly thought of the Gosselins.... I don't want to judge but I cannot see Kate giving back any of the money they have gotten through "ill gains".
As she always says her children deserve it.
There are so many more deserving children everywhere, my contributions are nothing but I continue to help out the less fortunate. Every dollar can help.

On this Labor Day we will probably see more Gosselin pictures. Another lawn picnic for the paps to capture. Maybe just playing on the driveway.. possible a park?

What ever it is they do today, we'll see it's just for "them", doing what they can for their own entertainment.

Give something back to the less fortunate Kate & Jon.
You are running around this country with so much more than you have ever deserved.
You are made of thicker skin than I (I wouldn't be able to hold my head up) with your "all I can get" attitudes.
With all your millions the contribution you could share could do so much good.

Oh well.... don't think that will happen but as before "Happy Labor Day" to us that "Labor".

marypoppins said...

shilohpeace said...
OMG, Kate was so verbally abusive to Jon.
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Watching those early episodes made me uncomfortable.

You could see her just waiting to pounce as he spoke when they did the interviews.
She showed him NO respect.

And after correcting him/making fun of him she would look off camera for validation or to roll eyes with someone.

That said, we dont know what their relationship was like off camera.

I have seen him pinch both the twins and we have heard him yelling

Jon gets props for bathing the kids everynight and feeding them in the morning.
However did Kate make him do this in order to ensure that he was home everynight and not partying somewhere?
Did she make him do stuff when the camera was rolling beacuase he was never home when the camera's were off.

We dont know all sides. We just know from what we see on the show.

I am not a supporter of either.

Merrilee said...

No matter what we wish was true, the show IS about Jon and Kate and their 8 children. Posters often say J&K are spending the money their kids make.

The show would have failed long ago if only the kids had been filmed all this time.

Kate is the primary interest in this mess. She has stirred up a LOT of controversey, but the show would be gone long ago without her and Jon.

Sorry folks, the millions of dollars this family has "earned" has not all come from "the backs of the kids."

All 10 are actors in this fraud, but it would be nowhere without all 10 and most especially, without her Royal Hiney.

grannyoftwo said...

We are really being bombarded by promotional advertizements of the Women's Show for our area right now, and the main attraction they are billing is guess who, none other. I emailed them again and told them that their ads were making me very ill and that I had crossed them off my list for good as they had unfortunately not taken advice and cancelled Kate's appearance, and that it was ashame that they had been taken in by her manipulation and were just as greedy and exploitive as she seemed to be.

Mercedes/Gift for Mom? said...

I don't know where I read it, but I went back trying to find it. I saw somwhere that the Mercedes that was at the house was a gift from John to his Mother. Did anyone else read this? I hope if its true the card had the kids names on it.

Geri said...

marypoppins said...

"I have seen him pinch both the twins"

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When/where have you seen this?

*db* said...

My husband are I are also Christians and know everything we have is from God and belongs to Him. We tithe weekly, the same amount, and much more when thier is a call to help other Christians, no matter how much our checks are and I also give my 9 year old money to tithe as well so he can understand that this is what is the right thing to do, tithe to your church, give back to God and the people in need. Several years ago, my husband got carpal tunnel in both wrists and was on and off disability for the better part of a year getting surgery and recooperating, they only do one wrist at a time and you must be recooperated before doing the other, yes, he was on disability but our earnings were over $1000 less a month with two kids at home and one in college. Our church gave back to us and quietly gave us a check one month, also another member anonymously put $100 in the plate one month for us. We were so overwhelmed! We have a true sence of helping and taking care of fellow Christians as was shown to us by our church, and do so when ever presented with the opportunity. How Jon and Kate can profess to be Christian and take and take from the church and not give anything back to God other than a quick appearance at a fundraiser or childrens sick ward handing out donated books is beyond me. I don't want to judge anyone on their walk with Christ but Jon and Kates actions speak louder than words and they are not teaching their children how to be Christlike in any sence what so ever. It is very sad to me. They should be very fearful of where their so called "blessings" have come from, because they do not exemplify a Christian walk to me.

goawayfools said...

Yes indeed, Jon Gosselin was mistreated, unappreciated, and ABUSED by his wife Kate. There is no excuse for her behavior. Even if he was immature and uninvolved, as some Kate supporters incorrectly assert, there is no reason to screech at your spouse that way, especially when he's doing most of the work! Especially when he's in the middle of doing said work! Especially when you are sitting on your fat ass while screeching! Jon is not perfect, but he put up with so much from her and did it gracefully. One thing I always admired about him is that he never dissed her, even when he could have. He was so sweet whenever someone asked him if he was mad at Kate for insisting on one more child, which resulted in the tups. Never blamed her or sounded bitter. He was too nice to her in my opinion and she stomped on his heart in return.

Ohio Buckeye said...

MomIAm said....
*********************************WhWhat an excellent post! Thanks!

It is ABUSERTHINK to decide someone's behavior brought the abuse on themselves. This is SO bogus. There is NO excuse for abuse EVER.

Also agree that Jon's decisions were his own. Even HE, quoting his mom, pointed out "life is all about choices". And as you put it so well: poorly-made decisions usually come with some ugly consequences. All of us screw up some of the time and ALL of us have to then face the consequences, try to learn from the mistake, and do better next time. Blaming another person for a decision you made or went along with is just rationalization.

Anyway, thanks for such an insightful post.

stopthemadness said...

sassypaws, I know Jon or Kate could prevent the other from taking them out of the state - but I would tend to think they'd play that card if it came to Kate wanting to take the kids to LA so she could pursue a career, rather than refusing to let Jon take them out of Penna, or vice versa. If Jon wants to object he could pull the plug on those fancy trips to Utah, NC, CO, HI they so "deserve" and Kate clearly so enjoys.

As far as Kate or Jon giving back? Let's see. He's got this foundation, who knows what he will do. I think she is setting an example for the kids that absolutely teaches self entitlement, not only by her total lack of manners and gratitude, but by clearly STATING whenever they do something fabulous or get this great house, that it is for the kids and the kdis DESERVE it. These kids have done nothing to deserve a mansion or a free trip to Hawaii. But in fact mommy says they deserve all this and so much more. Little wonder they look bored and dissatisfied with the hay ride. The excitement level is just not there. God help them these kdis are getting jaded - at five.

girl you are so right. Mom doesn't like that other adults outside her control can teach the kids stuff she doesn't value. Every parent goes thru this to some extent when releasing your kids to pre school or Kindergarten - they will start coming home with ideas you didn't put there. But for most of us it's just a twinge, it's ok, we know they'll be fine and you have to let go. However for a mother with such strange values and ethics, and such a control issue, this is really going to bug her. She can't keep these kids in a box. They will learn from others.

The scariest part tho is what they are learning from HER. Diva behavior, ingratitude, lack of manners, self entitlement, the idea that everything you do is so terribly interesting and important the WHOLE world wants to watch.

Chris said...

#1-Kate was never verbally abusive to him. If she was, he asked for it. It's normal married banter, she was stressed. He should have been a man, anyway.
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If I had EVER treated my huband like this I would have been divorced a long time ago. Since I wouldn't put up with it from him, I can't possibly expect him to put up with it from me.

Actually, the whole rationale behind this statement is disturbing to me. It's the classic "blame the victim" nonsense that is heard all to often. Nobody deserves to be abused.

Tami said...

I wonder if Kate will do all her Christmas shopping at Kmart again this year? : )

Tami said...

Jon gets props for bathing the kids everynight and feeding them in the morning.
However did Kate make him do this in order to ensure that he was home everynight and not partying somewhere?
Did she make him do stuff when the camera was rolling beacuase he was never home when the camera's were off.

We dont know all sides. We just know from what we see on the show.

I am not a supporter of either.
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Assuming all you are guessing is true, that Jon is just bad and poor Kate had to keep him in line, why is that everyone who comes across her has bad things to say? Why is it she has no friends or family supporting her? Yeah, I'll bet she is just a sweet, innocent victim. At least Jon has been able to gather a few "friends" in his life.

Hannah W said...

marypoppins said...

shilohpeace said...
OMG, Kate was so verbally abusive to Jon.
________________________________
Watching those early episodes made me uncomfortable.

You could see her just waiting to pounce as he spoke when they did the interviews.
She showed him NO respect.

And after correcting him/making fun of him she would look off camera for validation or to roll eyes with someone.

That said, we dont know what their relationship was like off camera.

I have seen him pinch both the twins and we have heard him yelling

Jon gets props for bathing the kids everynight and feeding them in the morning.
However did Kate make him do this in order to ensure that he was home everynight and not partying somewhere?
Did she make him do stuff when the camera was rolling beacuase he was never home when the camera's were off.

We dont know all sides. We just know from what we see on the show.

I am not a supporter of either.



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When did he pinch the twins?

Tami said...

Why did he put up with it for so many years? Why didn't he stand up to her? There was so much going on that we don't know about. There are always two sides to every issue.
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I don't know. I'm not naive enough to believe that people are not abused physically and verbally yet still stick around. It happens. Not every abused person just packs their bags after the first episode and leaves their home and kids behind to save themselves. I know this from experience.

Tee hee said...

This is so snarky and immature, but someone on the US website said if she worked for Kate, the first thing she'd do is wait for Kate to take a nap and then cut off her "stupid ass bangs". Had to laugh. Sue me.

Waiting for Jon's Side said...

I can't wait to see Jon's interview tonight to see his side. The media has made him look bad. He doesn't have PR people covering up any mistakes or unwise things he does like Kate. She has people coaching her what to say and how to act. We've all seen how she really is. Things mean things she has done in the past were not due to editing. She probably came off not as bad as she really is because of editing.
Jon is an example of what happens to the husbands of the bridzillas after the wedding. At least he's finally found some backbone and is standing up to her. Everyone expects him to suddenly be the hero and fix everything she's done like selling out her kids. The fact that he's said "no more" and is away from that controlling witch is the first step. Remember he's been knocked down for the last 10 years, separated from his family and outside support. (like male abusers usually do to their wives) His poor choices in women may just be that he's grateful to anyone who isn't hammering at him and shows him some kindness. It's telling that he is letting his family see his kids, another step toward the positive. Give the guy a break and see if he continues to step up and do the right things. Besides being up against Kate he has the powerful TCL after him.
Baby steps.

Miley said...

I have seen him pinch both the twins and we have heard him yelling
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Pinch? When was that?

Wanna ride? said...

When Jon bought the BMW he said on to the paps that he really wanted a Mercedes. When he stayed in NY with Hailey, they went shopping at a Mercedes Dealership. Soooo, he always had his eye on the "Benz"
as he said.

+ Eight said...

Merrilee, Sorry, I disagree. The show was possible BECAUSE of the kids, no in spite of them. Jon and Kate alone could not keep the attention of a worm. The KIDS make that show.

stopthemadness said...

I think the pinching or too tight gripping of Mady's arm was at the Dutch Wonderland - she was crying and rubbing her arm after he put her into a stroller seat.

I'm not sure what she did to provoke that "discipline" although Jon did look irked, he also had some kind of issue with Collin that he handled better - Collin was refusing to go downt he slide, holding the whole group back, and Jon took him aside to talk about it.

A 3 YO acting 3 - Collin tends to be somewhat of a spoiler, according to his mother- gets talked to and removed from the situation appropriately as the consequence of not being able to play nicely.

A 7 YO gets sat in a stroller with a squeeze of her arm - maybe he expects better behavior out of an older sibling who is setting an example. I noticed that and while I have often thought mady's behavior was out of line and she needed to be disciplined, I felt badly for her that this was the result. 7 isn't 17, they still need to be talked to. I think he felt she was spoiling everyone's time because she didn't think DW was this great trip, at her age. But that is a time to explain that we did these things for you and your sister at this age and now we are going to do them for the little ones, and you need to set an example and cooperate even though this isn't your idea of fun.

I have had that conversation about 100 times with my kids - older girls does not want to do what we do with younger boys, but hearing that she was not only allowed to do them at their age but no one was there wrecking it with a poor attitude, usually worked.

Being tired, hot etc is not an excuse for the child to misbehave and therefore much less a reason for a parent to snap and act "ugly." But they seem to feel no matter how disatrous a trip or event is it's important for all 8 to be there, and if they as parents behave poorly, it's excusable because they have 8 kids.

Not about Kate at all said...

Merilee, I cannot BELIEVE what you just said that Kate is why people watch. WHAT? The kids ARE the show, that's what made it successful, Kate is a nobody without the eight. A stuck up, selfish bore.

Carolyn said...

Yesterday someone posted a link to Jon on Youtube.

I link about "Kate chasing the P-people" caught my eye.

I clicked on it and found this little gem of a spoof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmwp_UMVXt0&feature=fvw

I'm still laughing over it... the end when "she" was running away was the best.

goawayfools said...

Merrilee, Kate became the focal point of the show because she butted her fat ass in front of the camera and in interviews to the point where she manipulates every scene she is in. Jon could not get a word in edgewise, and eventually stopped even trying. The kids are what drew our interest in the first place, but Kate even feels the need to overshadow them. She's always commenting to the camera about them, often saying something unflattering about them/ great about her. She is too narcissistic to want to paint her family in a positive light; all she cares about is how she looks. Ironic thing is that she comes off as a huge bitch and horrible mother and wife.

stopthemadness said...

At best Kate was 1/10th of the show. She's trying to make sure she gets more and more camera time now though. I am just baffled at what she thinks she is doing since the recent shows with her in the cowboy hat and dress and boots-?? The popcorn box on the head, the stupid accents - is this her idea of "Acting?" That someone will want her to be a talk show host or possibly have a tv show?

It's just so very ham handed and stupid, but there have been stupid, phony shows on that have run for years. Most sit coms in fact. I did like Friends. Maybe Kate can have a show called No Friends. She can invite people over and abuse them as to how loudly they breathe, how wrong they are about everything, how fat, etc., complete with love taps in their face. Or maybe Who Wants to Date a Millionaire Control Freak Z lister? 8 guys vie for Kate's hand, she eviscerates them all leaving them in therapy. Somewhere some tv guy is thinking up something like this.

Location. Location. Location said...

The funny thing about Khate is that she thinks that her house is a 'mansion'. Please........it's just a bigger house with more rooms in it. I've seen plenty of mansions and believe me, her's isn't. It's nice, don't get me wrong but a mansion???? Not so much.

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And it's all about where you live. I live in a house that's worth a million dollars. It's lovely but not large. We have an averaged-size lot and no one would call it a mansion.

Spend a million dollars in Northern California and you'll be lucky if you have three bedrooms and a place to park your car.

Kate seems to think she's Beverly Hills royalty. She should see the tool shed she can get for a million dollars there!

fidosmommy said...

I will admit that if Kate were a very pleasant Mom who stayed at home and took care of her 8 children, the interest may have waned some time ago. The fact that Kate has difficulty being pleasant may be the real draw for many.

fidosmommy said...

Miley said...
I have seen him pinch both the twins and we have heard him yelling
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I have seen Kate pinch the shoulder of (Alexis?) on the set of some TV show, making her wince in pain.

I have not seen Jon pinch a twin.

I have heard him yell. But what father hasn't at some point? What mother hasn't at some point? Yelling in and of itself isn't so bad - it may the only way to get
heard over the fray some days. It's what the yelling is about -
is the parent calling the child
"useless" or "stupid" or some other very hurtful thing? That's
never acceptable. But to yell
"Collin, get in here NOW!" or "Leah, stop that NOW!" is not an example of poor parenting, IMO.
Impatience, yes, abusive parenting, no.

KatesBigFlintstoneToe said...

Why the marriage dissolved? Truth is after Kate had the tups, she did NOT want anymore intimacy..ok, ok...SEX! A man cannot live in a loveless, sexless, marriage (nor can a woman) but bear with me. Remember when we learned Alexis slept alone in the basement in the old house?? Mom's out there->would you allow your 3yr old to sleep alone in your basement??? The unfinished half of that basement in Elizabethtown has a door & windows! Can you say ABDUCTION FEARS? As a Mom, I would NOT be able to sleep! So *THEN* we learned that TLC hid the fact that Jon had been sleeping down there with her for 2 years. Im sure Kate demanded he did, then she could rid Jon of their bedroom altogether. Face it, Kate thinks sex is "gross & icky", maybe even "snarfly". So what really ended it, ontop her demeaning & belittling of him, she shunned him of intimacy in the bedroom. Why would Jon want to go to bed with that woman after she yelled at him ALL DAY & belittled him as a man? So no more intimacy, no more marriage..EVERTHING falls apart once intimacy stops. It's the core of a marriage. Hell, she told him he doesnt breath right, can you imagine her in bed??? Poor Jon!

Even though I'm a woman, I'm on Team Jon.

Midnight Serenade said...

"At least Jon has been able to gather a few "friends" in his life."

Michael Lohan and Christian Audigier, Deanna, Hailey and Stephanie.

More means less said...

The more and more camera time Kate gets, the less and less that people watch.

shell said...

re the dutch wonderland show when he was discipling the kids. he once did take Mady aside and talk to her she had been misbehaving the whole time and it was Mady who upset Collin by kicking him down the slide. She was a handful that day and was lucky all she got was a pinch. she didn't want to do anything and cried all the time the cameras were on.

Beach Lover said...

Sometimes abused people stay where they are because they are so beaten down on a daily basis that it is inconceivable to them that they, incompetent, ugly, stupid they, could leave and survive on their own. That's what the abuser counts on.

I think this does apply to Jon. We've seen on the couch instances of him almost ducking down when she rages at him, and even though he may have been playing that up for the camera, I can imagine that awful voice Khate has and the belittling phrases she uses just sapping the life out of anybody.

The kids have the same almost robot-like look on their faces when she is around now. I see very little animation. They shut down. That is probably their view of the only way to survive their tantrum-throwing mom. The kids don't know if it will be the lady or the tiger when they see her and so they make sure they don't smile inappropriately, laugh and make too much noise, breath too heavily.

Why everyone doesn't see this is abuse, pure and simple abuse, is beyond my comprehension. If this woman lived in your neighborhood and you heard her scream and screech at her husband children I feel certain you'd be outraged. Even those individuals like BM, surely they'd see this as a woman with bipolar disorder or some other kind of personality disorder, no?

shilohpeace said...

Jon has some real friends. They have gone on tv to support him. They are not stars. He has people who truly care about him and he is restoring his relationship with his family, thank goodness...

I have faith Jon will grow up. I do not agree with his actions of late. I don't even agree with him doing the interview where he is telling all - about him being lame fish, etc. because most of us already knew everything he said.

Except no one knew that Kate truly officially denied therapy - Kevin and Jodi mentioned it, but to be frank, what do they really know?

I think Dr. Phil would be pretty upset with Kate for not getting therapy!!

I'm glad Jon is free of Kate but lord knows, I wish he had better advisers in his life.

He is a pretty immature individual. When asked why he married Kate, he didn't say anything about love. I think she knew she could control him which is why she married him.

Kate is a monster. Jon is acting like an immature 20 year old and is making really stupid decisions. Kate can never change because she will always be a monster and she is too proud to admit she has serious problems. Poor Kate - how can anyone live their life now doing such a masquerade. Every thing about her his fake, and lord knows those kids KNOW IT!

abbie said...

First of all, the ratings numbers have got to be skewered, our TV (s) are on all day, in several rooms, as we go about our day at home. If TLC is on one of them and nobody is even watching....
I lost it when I found out many yrs ago that Queenie slept in (with 8 kids, mind you) and Jon brought her coffee to her IN BED every morning. WTF?
I don't see Jon as a weenie, maybe he was raised with better values and knew his responsibility was those kids, first the twins then the tups, no matter what. How many women stay married to absolute assholes because they think he will "change"?
Kate a nurse....unbelieveable.
I am a nurse and can tell you NOBODY would tolerate her holier-than-thou attitude for more than one shift. Her cleaning the backside of another human being? Ha!!! Please God, never let me open my eyes to see I am in a hospital and Kate Gosselin is my nurse. Nightmare. WHY would she even choose a profession tha requires compassion for others, and all the other qualities nurses are supposed to possess.
Having those kids all dressed identically and freaking if one gets dirty because- heaven forbid- they should have to change into a non-matching clothes. Dunno if this is true but I read (here, actually) awhile back that the rift between Kate and her mother started when the church her mother went to was providing "love offerings" (cash) as well as things like clothing. Kate wanted her mother to ask the congregation to please give matching outfits only. Her mother balked and refused to do it, and was subsequently cut out of their lives. True or not I don't know, but God it sounds like her, doesn't it?
How old will the Gosselin kids be when their parents give them cell phones? And who the heck is Kate talking to non-stop all day on her cell?
Every day brings new jaw dropping stories about her. The ranch episode was the worst. This is just me, but if it had been me I would have let my 3 boys ride horses while I watched, took pictures, and encouraged them. Instead, Kate has to mount up first and act like the ass she is squealing, etc. Am sure immediately after she was at the Ranch Spa "unwinding".
I really really can't stand her.

abbie said...

I saw another show a couple days ago about a couple who had 2 sets of multiples. What a difference watching THAT moms interactions, playing w/ her kids, toys scattered everywhere, and happy little toddlers. Compare this to Kate, all the footage I can think of was her trying to get the kids to clean up their toys, eat and do everything else so regimented its like they are POW's.

Merrilee said...

Eight said...
Merrilee, Sorry, I disagree. The show was possible BECAUSE of the kids, no in spite of them. Jon and Kate alone could not keep the attention of a worm. The KIDS make that show.

9/07/2009 11:23 AM

That WAS my point. All 10 family members are what kept the show going. J&K alone would not work. The kids alone would not work. It was the team that kept us coming back.

Gossip Gossip Gossip said...

shell said...

re the dutch wonderland show when he was discipling the kids. he once did take Mady aside and talk to her she had been misbehaving the whole time and it was Mady who upset Collin by kicking him down the slide. She was a handful that day and was lucky all she got was a pinch. she didn't want to do anything and cried all the time the cameras were on.

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Wow. She was "lucky" she only got pinched? You think it is okay to pinch a child? Do that hard enough to leave a mark and find out if Children's Services thinks it's okay.

Pixie said...

@Beach Lover

I agree with you completely but sadly even BM cannot recognize that Kate clearly has some kind of personality disorder. She worships the ground Kate walks on and tries to emulate her. She is the last person who will ever see Kate for what she is..BM referred to people who were upset about the kids hitting the dog with a baseball bat 'idiots'..so that speaks volumes to her own mentality

Stop the Show said...

Shilopeace

Frankly, I think Kevin and Jodi know far more than any of us do..they are family after all and they have seen and know KON in ways the public does not

abbie said...

1. Kate and the family have been hanging our in the driveway for 5 years- their previous homes always showed them outside the garage playing...those picnic tables she would drag out everyday just kills me....guess grass stains prevent her from allowing them to play in the yard??

2. She has been referring to the bedroom as "her bedroom" since before they moved into the mansion, so IMO poor Jon was kicked out of the marital bed, so to speak, long ago.

3. No footage of the kids playing in those pricey crooked houses? Bet they never go out there.

4. Why does Kate "deserve" all these trips to the beach, etc etc etc. The kids go too because otherwise, Kate would have no excuse for going. Its "for the kids" because "they deserve it".
Huh? Why? Its downright embarassing that she went to the beach twice in one summer, not to mention all the other trips, when families are hurting financially. Who does she think she is???
I have to stop posting, my blood pressure is going up.

Eggo said...

Just saw a preview for the new ep next week. Kate is obnoxious and has a completely unnecessary popcorn machine that she has trouble with and a crew member has to step in to help.

Jon tells Joel not to be such a wimp.

Parents of the year! How anyone can still stand Kate to watch it, or think Jon is the better person/parent... I'll never know.

MayDay said...

I would like TLC to know that their efforts to make Kate look good are worthless..I am not interested in seeing her and her kids
(or half of her kids) on another trip. I FAST FORWARD to the scenes with Jon interacting with the kids. It is much more enjoyable. It would be much more enjoyable if they were not on at all.

marypoppins said...

fidosmommy said...
Miley said...
I have seen him pinch both the twins and we have heard him yelling
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I have seen Kate pinch the shoulder of (Alexis?) on the set of some TV show, making her wince in pain.
I have not seen Jon pinch a twin.
I have heard him yell. But what father hasn't at some point? What mother hasn't at some point?
_______________________________
This line was from my post not Miley.

When I referred to Jon yelling- i meant interaction bet J and K. There is a clip where he yells at Kate that the post office is closed.

In an earlier episode Cara is at the kitchen counter fussing for juice and Jon pinches her. She is then sent to time out.
Footage of their first outing to the beach- while deciding whether or not to leave etc you can see behind Kate, Jon reach out and pinch a twins shoulder.

To repeat my post:-
..we dont know what their relationship was like off camera....We dont know all sides. We just know from what we see on the show.

enoughalready said...

About abuse ---- Yes, living with an abuser is walking on eggshells in the house all the time. You just don't know which way the day will turn out. So, its best to remain muted and "dumb" There is no right behavoir for the abuser. If you smile too much, you're up to something, if you're cheery & happy, how dare you! and it goes on. I believe it goes on exactly like that in that household. If only the kids can be 18 tomorrow and pick themselves up and leave that horrid egotistical mother and cell of a home.

readerlady said...

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I can't believe that some people are still claiming that Kate didn't abuse Jon and that it was just "normal married banter" to call him fat and stupid, constantly degrade him, and even complain that he "breathed too loudly". What show did they watch? I'm not saying Jon was a perfect husband and father. Far from it. He is, after all, human. I do think he tried, as much as was possible, to comply with Kate's demands. Unfortunately, when you are dealing with an abuser, the more you comply, the more the abuser ramps up the demands. It's a vicious circle.

Some people defend Kate by saying that Jon knew what she was like before he married her. I'm not sure he did. Kate herself admitted on one of the specials, that Jon didn't know she wasn't a natural blonde until after they were married. If she hid her natural hair color from him, what else did she hide? I'm just sayin'.

stopthemadness said...

Abuse is not about the guy on the getting end. It's about control, at the giving end. It doesn't matter what you do, it will never be right if someone wants to control you, because making you feel like crap is a big part of it.

There is a wheel on the Internet somewhere that shows what the dynamic is and it's not different whethter the abuse is physical, verbal, emotional or whatever. How it manifests itself is different but the underlying dynamic is the same.

It should not matter to us whether it is man to woman or woman to man, it's wrong. The idea that a man is bigger and stronger so cannot be abused is not right. Men know that is the thinking and are ashamed to admit they are being abused. Especially if it's "just" verbal and emotional. Making Jon feel useless and like he can't do anything right, seems like whining or wimpiness. But if it were a woman we'd be on her side because she's the victim. The guy isn't going to pop her one, he didn't want to leave his kids, so he put up with it. And possibly very possibly as with women who stay with an abusive spouse when he is the wage earner, he feared what would happen if he left... these people aren't exactly breaking out in self esteem, after being treated that way for years.

My prediction is that if he comes out with this people will TRASH him. People just do not have empathy for abuse victims in general thinking they should just leave or they are wimps, much more so when it's a man on the receiving end.

It is so ironic that "America's favorite family" has this issue plus hideous divorce, greed, exploitation, etc. Althogh they have stopped calling them that.

grannyoftwo said...

I don't know how the rest of you feel , but I just got through sending emails to GMA and Primetime thanking them for giving Jon a voice to be able to explain his side of the story and hopefully to get his life together and get the children out of their working environment of a home and away from the media attention. I told them if it were left up to Kate, she would drive them until they either dropped, or needed so much therapy they wouldn't be any good to anybody. I just wanted to let the media know that I for one believe Jon's story of how things went down rather than Kates. And I do, however dumb his decision making has been, I truly think he is telling the truth. And the fact that he does have family and friends who are sticking by him, makes me believe him more. He is genuine in his answers. He at least says he has made mistakes. Has she ever said that and really meant it without it being a question she has asked herself, like in a self-interview? You know where she asks the question and answers it herself without letting anyone ask it of her. That really makes her sound like a loon. I just think if Jon sees support, maybe he will do the right thing by his children. Kate would not do it for the life of her.

Im_in_PR said...

You know what's so very sad? Most abusers don't just abuse their spouse......

MayDay said...

TLC was on the TV for some reason and all of a sudden a promo for next week's J+K+8 comes on. What is up with Kate using that loud squeaky voice? What is she trying to do with all these new voices? First she was trying to sound like a cowgirl and now she is sounding like an idiot. Her voice is really disturbing and why is she dressed up in a clown wig? For that short minute the promo was on,she was on my nerves big time. I muted the TV until she was gone.

Kannie said...

My TV nearly went flying out of the window tonight.

TLC ruined my enjoyment of Cake Boss with a JK8 promo featuring Kate doing Linda Blair's voice from The Exorcist, with that ridiculous pink popcorn hat on her head. How - I would love to ask the rocket scientists running TLC - is that meant to draw in viewers for next week's show?

Fearful of a second promotional encounter with Kate, I changed the channel to A&E's Hoarders. I'll take nuts over J+K anyday.

Let the truth be told said...

I truly believe that with Jon coming forward and telling his side and contradicting Kate, that this will be the demise of the show. It'll finally be out in the open and the world can see the other side and realize the pieces of the missing puzzle, and see everything so clearly. I believe every word that man says also. He has no reason or benefit to lie.

Not all yours said...

If it all comes tumbling down on Kate, before long she will be selling the Konpound and moving the kids to a smaller place. Watch.
She'll need all the equity from the house to live on, because she'll never go back to a real job.
It'll will always be 'ALL MINE' in her sick mind.

*db* said...

Most of the time when a person allows another person to continue to abuse them is when the abused person is fearful of the abuser and what they may do. That is why it's mostly a male abusing a female. Now...I did see Kate treat Jon like crap, not sometimes but all the time, she was NEVER nice or compassionate with him unless playing it up for the cameras but I can not believe he was ever in FEAR of Kate. If he had stood up to her in the very beginning instead of laying down and playing dead or lazy, she may have stopped, because what fun is it to try to push someone around that will not allow it. That is the whole high, the control aspect. Kate is guilty of being a horrible wife and Jon is guilty of allowing her to be a horrible wife to him. I have no sympathy for him what so ever. They are both equally resonsible for their failed relationship.

Tami said...

Most of the time when a person allows another person to continue to abuse them is when the abused person is fearful of the abuser and what they may do. That is why it's mostly a male abusing a female. Now...I did see Kate treat Jon like crap, not sometimes but all the time, she was NEVER nice or compassionate with him unless playing it up for the cameras but I can not believe he was ever in FEAR of Kate.
******
Allowing someone else to continue abuse is not just about fearing what they will do if you walk out. There are many reasons it continues. Self esteem issues is one, not wanting to leave your kids is one, being afraid to start a new life in another place is yet another. I do not believe it is usually just because someone is afraid of the other person physically.

LIWYD said...

Midnight Serenade said...
"He was perfectly capable of being a dad and she just wanted to be a bitch. How they justify that she just had to behave that way over petty things is beyond me. No excuses."

Why did he put up with it for so many years? Why didn't he stand up to her? There was so much going on that we don't know about. There are always two sides to every issue.
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He was being abused - he was in a abusive relationship. Look it up on the net - people stay because for one reason or another they think (or are convinced) they can't leave. Educate yourself about it - you may encounter it one day affecting yourself or another you love. Speaking of which, if your child or loved one was going through an abusive relationship, would YOU ask them, "Why did you put up with it for so many years? Why didn't you stand up to him/her?" Sometimes the "two sides to every story" is simply one is abusing the other. Period.

goawayfools said...

I think Kate has used the sextuplets to her benefit since before they were even born:

Act I: "I'm pregnant with sextuplets so I can't do anything so Jon and extended family, you need to cook and clean for me,as well as watch the twins for me. Oh, and bring me lunch every day. And while you're at it, give me free merchandise, gift cards, vehicles, and matching clothes and cribs, too"

Act 2: "I'm now the mother of twins and sextuplets so I can't take care of them all and I can't pay for it. So taxpayers, you must pay for private nurses because I rejected all the free help offered me and making me pay for a nurse would be unfair because you made IVF possible and I wouldn't have done it if your tax dollars hadn't funded the research for it. Oh, and Jon, even though you're working full time, you get to come home and do everything while I yell at you and tell you how you're messing up. And extended family, go away because you don't get to make a penny from my kids. Only I get to. Oh yeah, and Jon can have some, too. Like $5 a week."

Act 3: "The reality show is wildly popular because of me, me, me. You need to keep paying me millions of dollars so the kids and I can live in the way to which we've become accustomed. Forget Jon. He wouldn't stand with me, so he's out too. But keep giving me money, for the kids, they deserve it. I'll keep pretending to love them whenever the cameras are on. But you have to pay for my vacations and makeup people and bodyguard and plastic surgery."
Act 4: ??????!

Tami said...

At least Jon has been able to gather a few "friends" in his life."

Michael Lohan and Christian Audigier, Deanna, Hailey and Stephanie.
*******
Nope, those are not the people I was talking about. I was talking about guy friends from bars, some family members, etc. Perhaps Hailey, yes. Who does Kate have--people who are not paid to be there, I mean?

KhateMakesMeSick said...

The promo for next week's episode looks hideous... leaves me with zero desire to watch or even read a recap.

Kate is so over the top with this goofy popcorn hate on her head and exclaiming that "she" had this idea to do a movie on the lawn. Yeah, she really thought that up, what a joke.

Her voice could not be more grating as she screeshes "Popcorn, Get your Popcorn". Ugh.

Having a movie on the lawn would be a great chance for each child to invite over a friend or two, but nope they are there alone.

Totally pukatastic.

SundayRose said...

ReaderLady said, "I can't believe that some people are still claiming that Kate didn't abuse Jon and that it was just "normal married banter" to call him fat and stupid, constantly degrade him, and even complain that he "breathed too loudly". What show did they watch? I'm not saying Jon was a perfect husband and father. Far from it. He is, after all, human. I do think he tried, as much as was possible, to comply with Kate's demands. Unfortunately, when you are dealing with an abuser, the more you comply, the more the abuser ramps up the demands. It's a vicious circle.
...........................

You are one smart person! Very insightful. Oddly, some will never see the Gosselin marriage as an abusive one. So glad Jon is out of that situation. It had to be a torturous Hell on earth, for him and for the kids.

Connie said...

*db* said...
Most of the time when a person allows another person to continue to abuse them is when the abused person is fearful of the abuser and what they may do. That is why it's mostly a male abusing a female. Now...I did see Kate treat Jon like crap, not sometimes but all the time, she was NEVER nice or compassionate with him unless playing it up for the cameras but I can not believe he was ever in FEAR of Kate. If he had stood up to her in the very beginning instead of laying down and playing dead or lazy, she may have stopped, because what fun is it to try to push someone around that will not allow it. That is the whole high, the control aspect. Kate is guilty of being a horrible wife and Jon is guilty of allowing her to be a horrible wife to him. I have no sympathy for him what so ever. They are both equally resonsible for their failed relationship.
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There are different kinds of fear. Jon might not have been afraid of physical abuse (although that's not out of the question) but I would suspect it was more emotional abuse. They both have some responsibility to the failure of the marriage, but that doesn't make Jon any less abused or any less a victim. If Jon would have stood up to Kate sooner, I imagine the divorce would have taken place sooner. Kate to this day refuses to acknowledge any responsibility in the collapse of this relationship and how can she stop abusing if she never accepts that she is an abuser? I have to disagree in that I feel sorry for Jon as I would for any woman or man that has or is being abused.

sayitisntso33 said...

Act 4: ??????!

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John asks Kate if he can go out with friends for the first time in 9 years. Kate views this as the ultimate betrayal when she says NO and he dares to "disobey her," and goes anyway. Marriage begins to crumble... How dare Jon do something she said he couldn't.

Going back to Act 1, while on bed rest, Jon's father failed to bring her lunch one day. She storms out of the house into John's office that day furious, when she could have simply walked to her kitchen and made something for herself. That situation cinched it for me. What kind of person does that?? Sign of what Khate was like from the beginning.

Connie said...

@goawayfools...

Act 4: "Look at all my money after all these years! I would have so much more if it weren't for Jon. He was a fool to leave and turn the children against me. And I'm sure it was him because I was a GREAT mom to them. How could they not appreciate me? I'm alone only because I'm hiding from the paparazzi. Can't let them know where I'm at because they are so annoying. I'm just going to stay here in this place in my mind that's mine, all mine. I don't have to share with anyone because I deserve it all. And of course my fans still love me..."

I have to say I sincerely hope this is NOT how Act 4 turns out. For the sake of the kids, I hope Kate sees the light and gets the psychological help she needs.

Maude said...

I'd bet that women who defend Kate's treatment of Jon either treat their husbands the same way or wish they could.

It's the only explanation I can wrap my head around that makes her behavior towards him acceptable.

OMG, preview for Jon's interview on GMA discussing his lost 20"s again.

Give that up Jon!

marypoppins said...

I read this interview.

Kate was awful to him on the show- many times she showed him no respect. It was very uncomfortable to watch and I'll bet being treated like that by your wife in front of camera and production crew, your kids and the world was awful.

That said we dont know his true behaviour towards her off camera.

Jon will win some points becuase of this interview.
However it would have been nice after the separation to see him take charge of his life by going back to school or similar. Instead he landed in gossip magazines.

Whatever these two did to each other,the show continues...

alsoamomtotwins said...

Let the truth be told said...

He has no reason or benefit to lie.

___________________

He has every reason to lie. He says it himself in the interview. Something to the effect, "I used to be America's favorite dad now I'm a dirt-bag. Maybe after this interview I'll be America's favorite dad again."

He has every reason in the world to lie or exaggerate or say absolutely anything he can to get the court of public opinion back on his side.

MomofFour said...

I wish people understood about writing letters. The news media does not care what is right or wrong. The news media only cares what makes them money. If they schedule Kate for an appearance and they get 1000 emails...it does not matter if those letters are positive or negative. It just matters that they got 1000 emails. If they get no emails that's when they stop scheduling Kate to appear. NBC, the View...these shows do not care what is right or wrong. They just want your money. If you hate Kate but watch...then they win. I don't understand why people don't realize this. You could sit and write a 5 page letter detailing why Kate is a hag and they won't care. It just shows how passionate you are and how much interest there is in this person. If everybody would stop writing and watching they would go away. That's the only way to stop this show.

don't say that.. said...

Kannie said...

My TV nearly went flying out of the window tonight.

TLC ruined my enjoyment of Cake Boss with a JK8 promo featuring Kate doing Linda Blair's voice from The Exorcist, with that ridiculous pink popcorn hat on her head. How - I would love to ask the rocket scientists running TLC - is that meant to draw in viewers for next week's show?

Fearful of a second promotional encounter with Kate, I changed the channel to A&E's Hoarders. I'll take nuts over J+K anyday.

9/07/2009 8:11 PM

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not to pick a fight, but please do not refer to hoarders as 'nuts'......they suffer enough without people calling them names.

Diane said...

Jon may not have been in "fear" for his physical safety with Kate, but she was and is most definitely an abuser.

Kate beat Jon down emotionally and verbally.

It took the man 10 years to realize that he wasn't the no good, lazy, fat boy that Kate daily berated him with.

Men need to feel respected, needed and wanted; something Kate obviously never gave to Jon.

I think once he began to realize that he was NOT who Kate told him he was, he grew a pair and stood up to her.

Take a look at what she is doing to him publicly. She has continued her abuse...one can only imagine the level of emotional and verbal abuse that went on and continues to go on OFF camera.

God help those children.

That woman is an empty, soulless, self absorbed wretch

minka's tail said...

I am here to praise Kate for once, instead of burying her. Well, sort of.

Why would Jon stay with Kate when, by all accounts, she didn't physically beat him with a spoon?

She has a gift. She can frighten people by yelling at them. And it is a gift. I am sitting here in tears. It is the day after labor day. I should be in class right now, but I was fired from my teaching job because I don't have that gift. Try enforcing a myriad of rules (no IPODs, jackets in class, etc.) to a bunch of inner-city teens when there are no punishments at your disposal, like detention or staying after class. The only teachers who were successful were ones who yelled so that they scared the kids to take the headphones off (or whatever).

Kate could do a lot of good, if she wanted to. While she doesn't have the patience to deal with little kids, she could probably be a very good leader to teens or adults that need bossing around and a firm hand. She could teach in a tough high school, or work with addicts, criminals, or others that need a firm hand. She could even interrogate terrorists at Gitmo! I bet they would reveal their plots before she took out the water board!

Unfortunately, due to her narcisstic peronsality and possibly disorder, she can't or won't help others, only herself. All her loud mouth talent was spent getting things for herself--lunches from her father-in-law, babysitting from Jon, freebies and gift cards from everyone. Instead of running a business, or even a church potluck or something, where bossiness might get something accomplished, she chose to run her family to the ground.

She is one of the saddest people I have ever seen on television. As much as I dislike her, I feel sorry for her as well. What a shame she refused the help that could have turned her into a productive human being.

grannyoftwo said...

Well no matter what anyone says, whether the paps were paid by TLC to take the pics or not the proof is in the pics. The children are much happier and have bigger smiles when they are with their Dad. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Pictures do not lie! They are sullen and sad with mostly frowns and just plain out there looks when with Kate. Jon gives them fun, happy times and they know the difference. Whether you like him or not he is the better parent in this circumstance of playing with the kids and giving them the attention they need. Their little faces show it you cannot argue with that.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

grannyoftwo,
I agree with you 100%. The kids will always have a good relationship with Jon. He makes them happy, not Kate. I feel that the kids can sense that Kate is a liar and only cares about Kate. Jon is a warm person, where Kate is cold-hearted.

cassandrau said...

Uhm I am watching The View right now and they said Kate is going to fill in as a host sometime during this season.

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Renee said...

Both Jon and Kate have both said at one time or another about how much they love their children. So how about they both stop going on all these talk shows and yapping to the tabloids!!!
Divorce is hard enough on children as it is without the entire world knowing about every single thing that went on between the parents. I can only imagine what the Gosselin children must have seen or overheard in the last days before Jon left the house. But there is no reason that Jon & Kate have to air their dirty laundry on talkshows. Everyone knows you hate each other keep it to yourself and protect the children. The both of you are nothing but a couple of famewhores

Connie said...

I've heard that Dr. Phil McGraw will be a guest on The View when Kate is co-host. What do you suppose will be discussed? Will Dr. Phil address the issue of spousal abuse?

On The View this morning they had a short discussion on Jon's GMA interview. All the ladies felt it was inappropriate for Jon to publicly come to his own defense. The producers also had Whoopi read Kate's statement in reply that some things should remain private.

In one way I'm sorry that Jon is not as smooth and articulate as Kate, but in another way it's what makes him real and unaffected. I'd take that any day. Jon's had his day in public court. I think he will just want to move on now.

Midnight Serenade said...

Midnight Serenade said...
"He was perfectly capable of being a dad and she just wanted to be a bitch. How they justify that she just had to behave that way over petty things is beyond me. No excuses."

By the way, I didn't say that. Please don't attribute this to me. I don't use the "b" word. Never had, never will.

Sue in PA said...

grannyoftwo said...
Well no matter what anyone says, whether the paps were paid by TLC to take the pics or not the proof is in the pics. The children are much happier and have bigger smiles when they are with their Dad. There is no doubt in my mind about that. Pictures do not lie! They are sullen and sad with mostly frowns and just plain out there looks when with Kate. Jon gives them fun, happy times and they know the difference. Whether you like him or not he is the better parent in this circumstance of playing with the kids and giving them the attention they need. Their little faces show it you cannot argue with that.

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And you can see it in the shows. Jon has the ability to turn looking for bugs in the backyard into fun. Kate has to travel halfway across the country to a dude ranch.

Sue in PA said...

Diane said...
Jon may not have been in "fear" for his physical safety with Kate, but she was and is most definitely an abuser.

Kate beat Jon down emotionally and verbally.

It took the man 10 years to realize that he wasn't the no good, lazy, fat boy that Kate daily berated him with.

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I find it shocking how many people are disputing that this actually happened, based on comments on articles across the web. It was painfully obvious to a lot of us watching the show. I'm not sure how so many can have blinders on, is it because he's a man? They don't understand the concept of verbal abuse? Or do they just worship Kate THAT much?

Not a fan of either said...

When you consider all the people who find nothing wrong with the way Kate treated Jon, also remember to think about how high the divorce rate is in our country. So many couples have thrown respect from their marriages as well as morality. These issues have become so prevalent in marriages that they don't even notice the same dysfunction in another's marriage. But in the end it won't work. It didn't work for J&K and it won't work for all those who see nothing wrong with it.

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