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Friend said...

Do you think that Kate still goes to church on Sunday's?

I wonder what the folks who gave love offerings think of her now.

enoughalready said...

Please someone tell me how and why are people still paying KG to speak at churches and how and why people are still giving love offerings to her? It truely beggars belief! What is wrong with these people? Its like Ruth Madoff gong to her church and asking for donations????? This is a woman who just about goes against everything Christian doctrine teaches - humility, generosity, etc. etc. I am at a loss for words with these people!!

Tuesday said...

This is a woman who just about goes against everything MOST spirituality teaches. I'm at a loss also, enoughalready.

don't care if she goes to church.. said...

just care if she was a good mother to her children.....

Joan10 said...

I was thinking about the irony of this whole situation.

There were no photographers following them around and taking pictures of them even when the show was probably at the height of its popularity.

Then came those first pictures of Jon and Deanna and it's been non-stop since then.

I wonder what it would be like now if there still were no photographers. The show would have been on TV with reruns. All summer there were no book signings and speaking engagements. You wouldn't have heard from them at all. Their popularity probably would be way down.

Actually, Jon's actions is what has put them in the spotlight. Kate, although she would never admit it, has been helped by Jon's actions by giving her all kinds of attention which she loves. It has helped her to get more speaking engagements, TV interviews, magazine spreads and who knows what else in the future. It gave her a whole new subject to talk about -- pity me my husband left me and I'm a single mother of 8.

Of course Kate thinks all this attention is because everyone loves her. She doesn't get that all the attention she is getting is only because she is involved in a scandal.

You really have to wonder where they would be today if it wasn't for that one picture of Jon and Deanna that started it all.

Just me said...

My response to fellow posters Friend (and) don't care if she goes to church is...No and No...

enoughalready said...

The hyprocrisy is astounding and yet there are people who still are smitten by her! This woman "preaches" Church & God and all its teachings and yet she behaves in every way against everything Christian-like.And what does it say about the church ministers and pastors who approve of her appearances? I would truely question the Ministers of those churches.

KhakiOK said...

Just looked at the pictures of the children going to the schoolbus for their first day of kindergarten. It's been noted before in other instances but what is so incredibly important that Kate has to text someone rather than give her 8 children some love and reassurance on what is undoubtedly a very unsettling experience for them? Can she not put the blackberry down for the 10 minutes it took? A stranger would be more nurturing than she. Jon is holding hands with several of the children but Kate is lovingly tending her telephone. That one behavior speaks volumes as to her state of mind.

pro-life said...

Because church people like to make her as an example of pro-life thing. You know how passionate those people like to stress pro-life issue.

Those churches might as well invite Octomom to speak. Is Octomom a good example of pro-life as well?

So if you give birth to all (maybe or maybe not pro-life idea is on your mind), it's ok to exploit your children, have adultery with a bodyguard, demean people, use your relatives and get rid of them when they are no longer useful, degrade your husband, deceive public about how perfect the marriage until the media finds out otherwise? You are still a role model? What a joke!

Jon and Kate had the idea of corporate sponsors the minute they found out how many kids they got. They planned to exploit them right in the beginning. It's not pro-life on their mind. It's money and business on their mind. If they only have 2 to 3 kids, it's not as surprising as 6.

I am pro-life, too. I don't believe a second Jon and Kate did it for pro-life value. I think they are calculating business people who were very interested in media business and looking for a niche and product to sell. Having sextuplets is their niche.

goawayfools said...

Don't think Steve or any bodyguard can protect Kate from the great big lightning bolt of karma heading her way. The kids already appear to clearly favor Jon over her.

Kacey said...

I think Jon is one of the most selfish people - the show is "work", a "job", he complains about having to do it, wants off, hates the attention, the paparazzi following him...

All of these horrible things that are upsetting and stressing out a (physically) full grown adult man...but he thinks it's a perfectly fine environment for two sensitive 8 year olds and 6 5 year olds (since BIRTH!)

I'm picking on Jon because he's the one who keeps denying that the children are affected or exploited by all of this - and there's enough Kate hate that I can't contribute anything original to the conversation. Plus I do truly think Jon is just as bad if not worse than Kate - as a parent and overall human being.

Cheryl B said...

The new photos on radar of QFI bringing the tups home from their first day of school is very telling.

She has pulled her suv up to the front door, instead of letting the kids go on in, they are lined up on the porch facing forward while
Con do it Kate unloads all of the back packs out of the car. I am sure this stupid B saw the P's as she drove in. Why wouldn't she let her kids go on in instead of puting them on display? I know nothing about cameras but these picture were very clear.

The worst of this was one of the girls was sucking on a chewy. So Kate tell us one more time the kids aren't being affected.

HateKate said...

Kate is not good at anything except bizarrae self control which she believes gives her the power to do anything. What she doesn't see is that starving herself, exercising for 2 hours a day, having plastic surgery, and all the silly things she does chasing the dream of being thin and beautiful, is what makes her a lousy mother. It is not about you, Kate, it is about your children, they need a loving and caring mother, so why don't you try to fit some of that into your hectic busy schedule. And put down the damn pink cell phone, you act 15!

met said...

Well, whatever TCL is doing it is working. Tabloid and antics....last week 907, the week before 617. On the "celebrity sites" the gosselin's get 100's of comments while others maybe get 10.

I don't think it will ever end. TLC will probably renew the show for another season.

It will never end.

DrG said...

I still think that Jon and Kate are laughing all the way to the bank (or at least Kate is). As much as the money has been made off of the children up to now, someone seems to think that there is money to be made off Kate. She is clearly being groomed for her current appearances--LKL was a clear example. She is a willing accomplice. Can she do it? Nothing succeeds like success--she just may very well be able to. She doesn't seem to mind being a subject of public scorn or tabloid journalism as long as she can pursue her "dreams" of fame. As long is she is moving toward success (by her definition), she will keep on going. What this has to do with the children, however, is beyond me.

Tyra said...

Why wasn't the bodyguard on the premises when Mady and Cara were there on their first day of school? Are the tups worth more money to Jon and Kate than the twins? Obviously, once the tups were born, Mady and Cara seemed to be pushed to the sidelines. Jon and Kate can't make as much money off them because they are only twins, therefore need less protection? Food for thought.

motherof4 said...

Interesting article about sextuplet mother in Florida. She went to see Kate at a book signing and she didnt give her the time of day. Probably afraid the cameras might turn the other way.

http://tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/two-not-so-terrible-for-byler-sextuplets/1031979

muchsmartermom said...

I fear for all of the children, who's Mothers think Kate is a good mother.

It is just enough of her--I'm canceling my People subscription--done with her and Jon on the cover.

Kate's Angry Beaver said...

The St. Pete Times has a story this morning about a local family whose tup are turning two. Interesting Gosselin tidbit within:

Two not so terrible for Byler 'tups:

Taking all six out at once is rare, though a new six-seat stroller they bought online will make that easier.

Earlier this year, Karoline loaded up the sixpack and took them to meet reality television star and fellow sextuplet mom Kate Gosselin at a book signing in Sarasota.

She spent 45 minutes in line, hoping for a nugget of wisdom from the star of Jon & Kate Plus 8.

When her turn came, Karoline said, Gosselin barely looked at them.

"She asked me why I brought all the kids," Karoline said. "Then she just moved onto the next person."

Karoline later wondered if Gosselin's snub had anything to do with revelations about Jon's relationship with another woman. Or perhaps it was just her celebrity.

"Maybe she forgets that she was in my position four or five years ago," Karoline said. She used to watch the show but refuses now "because it's all about their divorce."

The Bylers say they realize they could have pursued their own show, much like others who have had multiples. But they say they value their privacy and they want the kids to grow up as normal as possible.

pam said...

she goes on and is strong and won't die, (like she's the energizer bunny) She can really build herself up in her own mind.

It's called self esteem, self confidence and tenacity. Three very good things to have.

glenda said...

Well I think I said this in a previous thread but that's what bothers me. Earlier episodes and even the 1st one they mentioned their faith and how God had blessed them. Not once during the divorce episode or in any interview their faith was never mentioned. I find that sad.
I also think that Jon's behavior will become more eratic and dangerous. This is a man who will do ANYTHING to get out of that TLC contract no matter what. How sad. Kate is as delusional as Jon if she think the kids are just 'playing' in front of the camera. I wish these people would go away!!

silimom said...

The best thing Jon and Kate could do is walk the talk they keep spewing. So, if they are truly concerned for the kids, if they are truly putting them first then prove it. Actions speak louder than words.

Moons in Leo said...

All of the fighting between Jon and Kate, including all the interviews (tearful and otherwise), are completely staged. Everything we have seen of their lives up till this point has been carefully orchestrated by TLC to seduce the viewers. Why would their divorce change anything?

If it is true that school officially starts for the kids on the Wednesday after Labor Day, then the bus specatacle (J&K showing up in separate cars, etc.) was a staged event for their benefit.

J&K are the most ordinary of trash. They will feed off their children till TLC pulls the plug and they wont stop doing that till people stop watching.

Geri said...

pam said...
she goes on and is strong and won't die, (like she's the energizer bunny) She can really build herself up in her own mind.

It's called self esteem, self confidence and tenacity. Three very good things to have.

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Every time I hear Kate say something like "I must move forward, I won't lay down and die" I remember her saying "Jon and I will always be together"....take her with a grain of salt.

Vanessa said...

Pam, what about humility and gratitude? Are those not qualities someone should strive for?

Vanessa said...

Let me get this straight? She drops off the kids with jeans/t-shirt/lime green CFM shoes, then she's a Tarjay with the green dress up her butt, THEN she's in the blazer and stilettos bringing them home the same day? And another thing, PULL THE VEHICLE INTO THE GARAGE AND CLOSE THE GARAGE DOOR YOU FAME W*%$@!!

pinkdiamond611 said...

I totally disagree that Khate has self esteem or self confidence. People with good self esteem do not get continued cosmetic procedures, they are happy in their own skin. Same thing with Self confidence. She is always putting people down, we have seen this time and time again on the show. People with no self confidence put others down to build themselves up in their own mind. Tenacity, I haven't seen that at all. If she goes to work as a nurse that is tenacity. Now I see a begging cry baby who expects others to support her lifestyle.
>>>>> pam said...
she goes on and is strong and won't die, (like she's the energizer bunny) She can really build herself up in her own mind.

It's called self esteem, self confidence and tenacity. Three very good things to have.

8/29/2009 7:04 AM>>>>>>>

kate is a cocky bitch said...

I think the quote of the week has to be from Larry King to Queenie: "why do you let the network control you." Princelss.

I'd Talk Forever said...

Moon said:
If it is true that school officially starts for the kids on the Wednesday after Labor Day, then the bus specatacle (J&K showing up in separate cars, etc.) was a staged event for their benefit.
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First day of school was Thursday for the twins; Friday for the tups. Nothing was staged. That's when it started.

LovingMom said...

"Kate is doing three upcoming events for me," talent wrangler Glenn Rosenblum of Celebrity Access tells me. "She is lovely and a hard worker."

As for Jon, he could garner an estimated $10,000 per appearance if anyone wanted him, but "especially with the economy, it would be hard to find a group that would want him right now."

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So Jon's finding it tough to get booked for just showing up places? This is "work?" Why don't both of them JUST GET A REAL JOB. What is this country coming to when two talentless people whose only claim to fame is giving birth (with medical intervention) to a litter of kids can command the fawning attention and big-bucks payouts just for showing up?

Yuck!

fidosmommy said...

enoughalready said...
The hyprocrisy is astounding and yet there are people who still are smitten by her! This woman "preaches" Church & God and all its teachings and yet she behaves in every way against everything Christian-like.And what does it say about the church ministers and pastors who approve of her appearances? I would truely question the Ministers of those churches.

*****

For some, being anti-abortion and anti-reduction (Right to Life issues) is all it takes to believe the Gosselins are "true Christians"
who put God above all else in life.

Also, the fact that they choose to send their children to Christian School and not to the public schools "where they will be influenced by the world" is more evidence to some that the Gosselins
have their souls in the right place.

However, IMO, it takes far more than that to demonstrate Christianity. To me, Christianity
(and every faith) is demonstrated in how you treat your neighbor and the content of your deepest thoughts - are they truly centered on the Divine and the teachings of your faith? When nobody is looking, do you still follow the tenents of your personal faith?

I happen to be Christian, but I know other faiths follow much the same path of thinking.

Mom In Ohio said...

I read somewhere that their divorce will be final in Sept. How is that possible? I live in Ohio and my divorce took 2 1/2 years before it was final.

minka's tail said...

What I found interesting in the Byler article was that the Bylers have been getting speech therapy since babyhood because multiples have speech delays called "twin talk." Certain Gosselins suffer terribly from "twin talk" and I hope the extra year in Pre-K is because of that, because they need speech therapy, not so the parents can film twice a week.

As for self-confidence, self-esteem and tenacity--those are great traits to have, but without introspection and a sense of humor, they turn very quickly into megalomania. Not once has either of these two acknowledged that their fame is a fluke based on no talent of their own, or admitted that they are not in control of the forces that makes them tomorrow's has-beens (originally quoted by Sting). They are both delusional. Unless Kate really does well on the View or another talk show--and I hope she does, in a way--she will go the way of Monica Lewinsky, Tonya Harding, Nancy Kerrigan and others who have had their fifteen minutes based on scandal. Jon won't last even 10 minutes.
What a pair.

CantWatchAnymore said...

I haven't posted in a long time and I don't watch the show anymore. I do read and enjoy the recaps here which are way better than watching!!! I just had to vent about People magazine. Why Why Why do they have something about Kate & John every week. I don't buy the magazine since I can check it out at the local library but I can't believe how every week they have something about them and this week Kate's on the cover again. There has to be someone who truly is a celebrity they can feature on their covers.

fidosmommy said...

Moons in Leo said....

If it is true that school officially starts for the kids on the Wednesday after Labor Day, then the bus specatacle (J&K showing up in separate cars, etc.) was a staged event for their benefit.


*******

I must be confused about when the school year started for these kids.
I went to a website for the school I thought they attended, and there was no Pre-K class offered. So, I looked at other schools, and the schedules seem to not match the
first-day-of-school photo op dates.

Oh well. I must have the wrong school(s) in mind. Not that it matters. It's just that Moon in Leo's post got me checking about time coordination to see how "real" this all was. Now I don't know.

Moira the first said...

Also, the fact that they choose to send their children to Christian School and not to the public schools

The kids go to private school but it is not Christian. It's just a private school.

Harriet said...

fidosmom, yes the school they attend definitely has a pre-school program. The four year old class isn't referred to on the main page as jr kindergarten. That's only on a few things about the class.

Avary said...

I have a masters degree in psychology and watched the show for the first 4 seasons. Let me tell you, Kate is a VERY insecure person.

Huh? said...

The best thing Jon and Kate could do is walk the talk they keep spewing. So, if they are truly concerned for the kids, if they are truly putting them first then prove it. Actions speak louder than words.

8/29/2009 7:57 AM
Blogger Moons in Leo said...

All of the fighting between Jon and Kate, including all the interviews (tearful and otherwise), are completely staged. Everything we have seen of their lives up till this point has been carefully orchestrated by TLC to seduce the viewers. Why would their divorce change anything?

If it is true that school officially starts for the kids on the Wednesday after Labor Day, then the bus specatacle (J&K showing up in separate cars, etc.) was a staged event for their benefit.

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Huh? You think the other parents dropping off their kids were hired actors?

fidosmommy said...

OK, thanks for the clarifications
about the school. I thought it was a Christian school....
I appreciate the corrections.

Huh said...

"Earlier this year, Karoline loaded up the sixpack and took them to meet reality television star and fellow sextuplet mom Kate Gosselin at a book signing in Sarasota.

She spent 45 minutes in line, hoping for a nugget of wisdom from the star of Jon & Kate Plus 8.

When her turn came, Karoline said, Gosselin barely looked at them.

"She asked me why I brought all the kids," Karoline said. "Then she just moved onto the next person." "

Well, of course Kate was mad she brought the kids. Kate was probably livid that a) someone else is as "special" as she is and gave birth to multiples and b) Kate hates sharing the spotlight with anyone, even her own kids. It's all about her all the time. Like she says, she doesn't notice people.

yeaisaidthat said...

As for self-confidence, self-esteem and tenacity--those are great traits to have, but without introspection and a sense of humor, they turn very quickly into megalomania.

I agree that self confidence, self esteem, and tenacity are all positive traits to have, but in the case of Kate Gosselin, it is her over the top narcassism and extreme lack of humility that OBVIOUSLY appear to be her most DOMINANT traits.

Aeris said...

I just saw the current People magazine today at Walmart and I wanted to vomit. I would expect something like that from InTouch or another gossip rag, but not People. I'm done with People magazine now. There are more newsworthy events going on than Kate "striking back". Strike back against what? Poor little diva. Go the hell home and get out of our sight already.

About the kids' schooling, the twins received full tuition for their day school from a donor, so KON may not have personally chosen that school. But like the poster above stated, it is not Christian.

MomIAm said...

It astounds me that any organization would book/pay either Jon or Kate to speak let alone actually have people attend to hear them talk. If I belonged to an organization that brought them into speak, I would quit immediately no matter my ties to that organization. I would not go quietly, but would make everyone aware of the reasons for my leaving.

organizedblogroll said...

Over the past week, I have made the decision to forgo pressing on ALL gossip sites about J&K, and have also stopped taping their shows.

By the look of TLC, ratings may be DOWN, as they have an ongoing AD for J&K on the right corner of the screen 24/7.

We, who claim NOT to have a minute for her, are in fact FUELING HER POPULARITY by pressing, Tivoing, etc. Kate has said before "I welcome the naysayers". BOY DO WE INDIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO HER WALLET.

If we would go away (which must account for at least 50% of the curiosity) maybe she would GO AWAY!

Pilgrim Soul said...

Of course Kate was pissed the Byler tups were there... A slap-ij-the-face reminder that her uterus isn't so unique afterall. And her fame could be very fleeting... Once some cuter (read: younger) tups arrive on scene.

Molly said...

Their school website says that school started on the 27th. I checked the staff page for the Lower School and they do in fact have two teachers that teach Junior Kindergarten as well as two that teach preschool. I don't think they would rent a bus out and hire "parents and kids" just to stage the first day. People magazine has a first day of school photo too.

my9cats said...

Vanessa said...
Let me get this straight? She drops off the kids with jeans/t-shirt/lime green CFM shoes, then she's a Tarjay with the green dress up her butt, THEN she's in the blazer and stilettos bringing them home the same day? And another thing, PULL THE VEHICLE INTO THE GARAGE AND CLOSE THE GARAGE DOOR YOU FAME W*%$@!!

8/29/2009 8:20 AM


Teflon Kate has more wardrobe changes per day than the Queen of England.
Does Kate think she is an actress in a play? What a jerk.

Wantastopbutcant said...

Talk about a roller coaster ride. When I first started watching J&K plus 8 I was impressed the family talked about faith, went to church, and seemed to value these things as a lifestyle. I was so excited when on their site I read Kate was overjoyed Maddy had been reading the Bible on her own.
Then BAM, a couple months after I began watching, the scandal with Jon and Deanna hit. Things spiraled out of control very fast. All the rag mags with them headlining, etc.I also began to question things I was seeing on the show. Kate's behavior toward Jon and the kids. Soon I found this blogg.
Well, I'm ashamed to say now I'm caught up in the train wreck that is J&K. My heart breaks for the children. But what kind of person am I that I now can't get enough of this mess? Why can't I just leave it alone. I admire you all who no longer watch or read the rags. I am getting sick of their antics, so hopefully soon I won't be so caught up in this fiasco.

She's not going anywhere said...

I am still laughing at the idea of Kate having self-esteem and self-confidence! Obviously not. You only have to look at how she dresses, acts, and treats others to know she is lacking those traits. The number one trait she is missing though is honesty. But I do agree that she is not going away. Lots of no talents worse than her have their own shows and she will have hers too. Hulk Hogan comes to mind or those trashy Housewives from Atlanta. She is here to stay. Those type shows are symptomatic of how low television has sunk and what type audiences they are after.

ihatefrogs said...

Since Kate is now ALL about the new and improved, 'I Can Do' Kate that has big dreams for her future, I am curious to know if her post divorce plans also include no longer being referred to as 'KATE GOSSELIN' and go 'at it alone' as KATE KRIEDER??

kategate09 said...

After returning home with the tups on their 1st day of school, WHY doesnt Kate pull into her garage, shut the garage door, and unload the kids & backpacks in PRIVATE..in the garage, then go into the house using the inner garage door to the house???

Losing site of the truth said...

What happened to "Its not a glamorous life, but a very rewarding one" or "We don't film on Sundays because we all go to church." Look what money will do to someone that can't handle it, and forgot where they came from.

Nothing sticks to her said...

Teflon Kate...I love that. But you all remember what happened to the Teflon John Gotti.

sos said...

"But I do agree that she is not going away. Lots of no talents worse than her have their own shows and she will have hers too. Hulk Hogan comes to mind or those trashy Housewives from Atlanta. She is here to stay."

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I respectfully disagree. Hulk Hogan was actually a very successful WWF wrestler. I am not a Hulk Hogan fan and I doubt his parenting skills. But this guy had done a lot before he had his reality show. He can work the crowd. WWF wrestling is fake, we all know that. The WWF wrestlers are basic actors who can perform stunt. That's some talent, too. Not everyone can perform stunt and act in front of a big crowd and get the crowd all excited. Hulk Hogan does have some talent. Kate and Jon don't have any talent.

The housewives from Atlanta are typical one hit wonders. They will be in spotlight for a while but soon the public curiosity and interest will fade. It's like those cast members on MTV reality show, Real World or Road Trip, some of them acted very trashy to create drama on TV. Not sure if they are really like that in real life or the producers encouraged them to exaggerate. Critics have been saying MTV reality show producers have been exploiting young people who want to be stars. Those kids will do anything to get a close up. Where are the Real World or Road Trip cast members now, none of them have a career. They just faded away. The new generation of cast members come in and repeat the history.

Therefore, Jon and Kate will eventually go away. They are TV one hit wonders. They have a hit reality show. After that, they won't be able to sustain because they have no talent and they are not entertaining.

Credit where its NOT due said...

Self esteem? Self confidence?
Are we talking about the same woman?
Kate is the most shallow individual
that I've ever seen. You can see right through her, plus she is as dumb as a rock. I'm not saying she's not shrewd, just a dummy.
I had to laugh at that, and tenacity?...of WHAT.

a rose is a rose said...

The fact that Kate is a big LIAR, wipes out any other(if any) positive trait she hopes to have.
There is not ONE nice thing to be said about her.

No role model there said...

Pam, sorry to disagree, but where are you going with that?
The three traits that were mentioned were everything that Kate lacks badly.

grannoftwo said...

Lots of no talents worse than her have their own shows and she will have hers too. Hulk Hogan comes to mind or those trashy Housewives from Atlanta. She is here to stay. Those type shows are symptomatic of how low television has sunk and what type audiences they are after.


I couln't agree with you more... There is no vision in television anymore. Pun intended. The writers have no creativity, no new concepts, that is why all of this dumb, reality crap they keep trying to shove down our throats. I for one am totally tired of it. Give me an old classic movie or a good book. I could just about throw the television out the window at this point.

Jennifer D said...

Here is the difference:

Real celebrities dress up for their jobs. They dress for work- acting, singing, appearances on talk shows and red carpet events. When they are not working they act like it.
Real celebrities are pictured running errands in sweat pants and t-shirts. There is a clear seperation from their work life and real life.

Wannabe celebrities like Kate don't have a job to dress up for. So she dresses up for her "appearances" at the bus stop and at Target. She has no seperation between work and real life because she really doesn't have a JOB.

When you think of it like that she looks even MORE ridiculous.

Cupcake123 said...

Can someone explain why the sextuplets are in junior kindergarten? They are 5, so they are old enough for regular kindergarten. Is there some special reason they are going to a junior program, and is this going to put them a year behind other kids their age?

MyLittleCat said...

Exactly how far behind are the tups? I went to their school website and looked around. Children in the Junior Kindergarten class must turn FOUR years old by Sept. 1st.

Are the kids really so far behind that they need to be in preschool? If so why?

There's an application for admission into the Kindergarten class.

Here's the quote about the test (NO SCHOOL NAME MENTIONED):

"Every Kindergarten candidate will have a private appointment for approximately 45 minutes with a Kindergarten teacher. At this time, the teacher will administer the Missouri Kindergarten Inventory of Developmental Skills. This standardized test allows the teacher to examine the child’s number concepts, auditory skills, paper/pencil skills, language
concepts, and visual skills."

So, this really means J&K did NOT hold them back. The kids didn't do well enough on the test to get into regular kindergarten. And I doubt it has anything to do with prematurity.

Sunday said...

I don't think Kate has self esteem or self confidence either. Like someone pointed out, people with good self esteem don't get CONTINUED cosmetic procedures. I will let the first once, tummy tuck, slide. But the boob job says a lot about her lack of confidence.

Putting people down is also a sign of lack of self esteem. The insecure one wants to pick on you and shut you up first before you can pick on her.

If you think she appears to have self confidence, that's because she is backed up by TLC network and agent. She feels that she has an army backing her up, of course she is acting like she is not afraid. She knows if you get in her way, TLC, her PR and agent will come up with tactics to defend her. So she is basically like a spoiled child acting like "My dad will beat you up." You will walk around like you are not afraid of anything too if media corporation has your back.

Just like TLC is on her side to make her look good and make Jon look bad. Don't get me wrong. I don't like Jon either. I am not team Jon. But I think Jon and Kate are the same. There is no lesser of the two evils. But Kate is clearly more protected than Jon. You can see the media bias, how they twist things and make up things to make Jon look even worse. Yes, Jon did do some dumb things. But not all of them, not to that degree. Those media outlets don't question Kate nothing. They try to make her look good. They use the word "relaxed" when she looks very tense and annoyed with the kids. They say "bonding" when the daughter Cara was crying and Kate just walked in front of her and didn't give a damn. Words are very powerful tool. The media outlets just keep repeating those nice words when it comes to Kate to brainwash viewers "Kate Good, Jon Bad, Kate Victim, Jon Villain". It's human nature you want to help victims. The media is playing you.

The true confidence means you still feel very secure when no heavy weight is backing you up.

Lisa said...

I have a theory about all the outfit changes. I read or heard somewhere that paps get paid more money for their pics if they get the celebs in different clothing, since they are competing with others for magazine space, etc. If her camp is in on tipping off the paps as to her whereabouts and maybe getting a cut of the money from the sale of the pics, this could be the reason for the multiple changes of clothing in one day.

MyLittleCat said...

Ok on 2nd thought...I just posted the comment about the teacher evaluation for kindergarten at the kids school. Well I just now read the evaluation form. There is NO WAY these kids aren't ready for full time Kindergarten. NO WAY.

(NO SCHOOL NAME MENTIONED)

The check list for entering Kinder are QUOTED: "Cooperates, Initiates play activities, Shares well, Is imaginative, Has the potential to lead, Has the capacity to follow, Uses materials purposefully,Is curious, Is comfortable with adults, Works well independently, Responds well to criticism.

A few more..."Is attentive, Listens in a GROUP, Contributes to discussions, Follows directions, Works cooperatively, Completes tasks, Can focus on one task, Respects classroom routines"

The teacher can grade the child "Outstanding, Age Appropriate, or Needs Development"

The tups can do all of that from what we've seen on TV. Now I'm thinking they are being held back for taping the show...

Snerk said...

The children are also administered the Missouri Kindergarten Inventory of Developmental Skills. I would imagine that this is where some of the children would not be successful. One article said three were ready for k and three were not.

Where I live the following list is provided to parents to consider in preparing pre-schoolers for kindergarten.

The department indicates the following as basic skills 4 and 5 year-olds should learn and master before they enter kindergarten:

Social development
Cooperates with other children in play and learning tasks
Can express feelings without getting upset or aggressive
Can sit calmly, listen and work with other children
Is able to see the perspective of another child and talk out differences

Building blocks for reading and language
Recognizes most letters of the alphabet
Likes to sit and listen when an adult reads
Draws pictures and letters, rather than scribbling
Has an increasingly complex vocabulary
Connects words and expressions to the right context
Can identify and say words that rhyme
Is beginning to read one-syllable words

Beginning knowledge of numbers and mathematical patterns
Can count up to 30 objects
Can identify which two sets have equal numbers of objects
Is able to add and subtract objects up to 10
Demonstrates an understanding of time
Can identify and describe simple objects, such as circles and triangles

I'm not sure how well all the tups would do on that list.

Canadian Mom said...

You know, I don't think we have any idea just what goes on behind closed doors...

There must be so many secrets going on 'behind the scenes'....

Kate is a superficial, lying, shallow, cold human being who lives a parasitic life.

And THAT is only what we SEE...

Tyra said...

Sunday...your post was excellent, however, I have to respectfully disagree about the lesser of two evils. I think Jon is the less of two evils. Kate has developed her skills in that department very well. Jon has not. Unfortunately, of the two, Kate will always come out on top. She is a master manipulator and has conned the media,her children, her family,the public, etc. Jon, even though he is much like her, just seems to go with the flow. Both will some day have to answer for all the pain and suffering they have caused.

OverwithKON~~ said...

Khate = insecurity = acting showey of one self

I think that poster who said that the paps would like the costume shanges is right on. I mean it makes sense, on Trading Spaces Paige had to wear the same clothes for both days of taping for continuity, and this way if Khate changes all the time it proves different outings/wh@ring trips. KWIM?

I also canceled my People/sheople magazine about a month into the *Kate can do and say anything she wants to and get away with it* saga. I had just been able to afford People and I was so happy to receive it in the mail each week. Well then I find out that its all lies like all the other trash. NICE! Canceled.

goawayfools said...

Some real celebrities (Cameron Diaz, for instance) will wear the same outfit for several days, washed in between I'm sure, to minimize the paparazzi onslaught. Clearly Kate welcomes the attention. She not only looks desperate and foolish, but she is putting her children at risk. She claims to want them to have happy childhood memories, but how is that possible now that the kids are prisoners in their own home/orphanage, their parents continue to say unflattering things about each other on tv and in magazines and as a result have garnered such negative attention that the general public laughs at them and pities the kids? Kate does NOTHING for the kids that does not also benefit herself and she thinks somehow that money and material possessions are what children want and need to be happy. Stupid ignorant cow

Connie said...

IMO Kate won't go away until people don't care enough to even hate her. When we become indifferent towards her, is when she becomes nothing special. What really matters is getting the kids off the air and I'm not sure this is within our power as non-fans. The more we protest, the more TLC, tabloids and Kate eat up all the attention. It's a catch 22.

Im_in_PR said...

If her camp is in on tipping off the paps as to her whereabouts and maybe getting a cut of the money from the sale of the pics, this could be the reason for the multiple changes of clothing in one day.



Bingo-this is exactly why Kate changes so may times throughout the day.

My professional opinions is that she is also getting a cut from what the paps sell since she is so obviously participating with them.

.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Re; the Missouri Skills Checklist that was posted. I am a K teacher in NYC. Those seem to be milestones that should be reached upon the end of K, not upon entering K. jmo. Our cutoff date is Dec. 31 so that makes a big difference also. My issue with holding ALL the kids back is that you are hindering the progress of some. THEY ARE NOT A UNIT. They are individuals. What are you going to do if one is not ready for first grade? Hold them all back again?

Snerk said...

To clarify I don't know what is on the Missouri Developmental List that the tups' school site says they were administered.

The items I posted were what our district handed out in the spring before our children started kindergarten as things we should be encouraging them to learn or do.

silimom said...

Found some interesting things when I went looking for this Missouri Skills Checklist. From my research, there is no assessment tool out there by that name. There is KIDS - found the info on this website http://www.serve.org/Syc/policy.htm

*** In 1978, Missouri developed the KIDS—Kindergarten Inventory of Developmental Skills—assessment. It was a screening designed to identify children with possible disabilities who need further evaluations. ***

Reading more articles, it apparently is used by several districts and private schools to determine Kindergarten readiness, along with other assessment tools.

Mindy said...

So I'm watching Police Women of Broward County and for hours now, the bottom right hand side of the screen says "Jon & Kate Plus 8 New One Hour Monday 9 TLC Summer" They really are getting desperate.

Exhausted said...

I've decided not to renew my People subscription when it expires in October. I sent them this letter below. If others here are saying you will no longer buy People or that you are not going to renew your subscription, you should definitely let People know the reason...I hope Kate Coyne (sheeple's finest) is the first to be let go when they find they've lost subscribers. Fingers crossed!

Dear People,

I wanted to let you know that, after being a subscriber for several years, I am not renewing my subscription when it expires this fall. The reason is as follows: I am very disappointed in the lack of integrity you have exhibited by featuring one-sided articles about Kate Gosselin, a mother who has exploited and neglected her children in order to achieve a D-list level of fame. The fact that this no-talent, despicable human being has graced your covers more than so many legitimate actors and actresses is appalling. What is even more appalling is your failure to do a well-rounded interview and tackle issues of child exploitation and neglect.

You applaud Kate as this super mother (which, let's be honest, is just a PR request that you are agreeing to), but a good parent does not leave her children every chance she gets and certainly would never have them filmed during such a painful time as a divorce. Instead of protecting her children, she has brought even more unnecessary attention to them by playing up to the paparazzi and doing interview after interview with people like you who are willing to carry out her publicist's agenda. I don't blame a publicist for doing her job (even if it's for a rotten client), but I do blame a supposed journalistic source for carrying out this PR fluff. I also notice that you print very few negative letters to the editor about this woman when it's obvious that this is not a fair representation of the feedback you are getting.

I am certain I am not the only subscriber to leave due to this ludicrous coverage of such an unremarkable person, so I do hope that you have a backup plan.

Shelly said...

As a Kindergarten Teacher, I agree that most kindergartners don't accomplish a lot of the things on that list until the END of kindergarten.

Kitty The Dog's Blog said...

I don't know if this has been brought up already, but why didn't jon and kate TAKE the kids to school? You know, walk them to their classes, meet the teachers and other parents, kiss the kids goodbye, etc.? I guess then the P people couldn't capture the special moment for the world to see. I remember my daughter's first day of school and I wouldn't trade those memories for anything. Kate is sick.

mb said...

Connie said:

"IMO Kate won't go away until people don't care enough to even hate her. When we become indifferent towards her, is when she becomes nothing special. What really matters is getting the kids off the air and I'm not sure this is within our power as non-fans. The more we protest, the more TLC, tabloids and Kate eat up all the attention. It's a catch 22."

~~~~~~~~

I completely agree! We must all stop showing ANY interest if we want this show to go away.

Jessica said...

As an Atheist lurker here for some time I have to come here in honor of those Christians that post here. This woman is a sham. While I may not believe in the Christian faith or anything to do with it, I think this woman is a horrible and an insult to your religion. To try and raise money under the auspices of God is more than fraud, it is a criminal act upon humanity itself.

Teryn said...

Typical Gosselin BS.....

One day Jon is adamant that they film 2 days a week for a couple hours. Because that answer benefited him at the time.

Now he's disgruntled with TLC because he's tired of doing it 24/7

So, which is it? A few hours a week, or 24/7 ?

Does this blowhard ever keep a job without quitting or getting fired?

Jessica said...

And a wonderful "Hear, Hear" to 'Exhausted' for the fabulous letter to People!!

Squicked said...

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=89933832&editorialproduct=3

These are a link to pictures of Jon hosting a party in a hotel. I have no pity for him, but it's so awful that I'm almost embarrassed for him. (Does he know he's not 19?)

TUNDRA said...

Well done Exhausted!

This week's PEOPLE article is written by Kate Coyne who is the mother of twin boys. Her bias toward Kate is obvious. Are they friends?

I am not a subscriber to PEOPLE but certainly won't ever buy the magazine again. And yes, the letters to the editor are always pro-Kate.

Who owns PEOPLE?

fidosmommy said...

Squicked said...
http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=89933832&editorialproduct=3

These are a link to pictures of Jon hosting a party in a hotel. I have no pity for him, but it's so awful that I'm almost embarrassed for him. (Does he know he's not 19?)

******

And the point of him "hosting a party" is...... what?

This is the lamest thing I have seen yet. He looks ridiculous.

He gets paid to stand in front of a camera and lounge on a bed while other people are swimming. Can I
please apply for that job?

goawayJandK said...

Exhausted, well said.

Tami said...

WHY? WHY? Today I went grocery shopping and my kids and I were subjected to several bleach blond Kate hair clones! They had the little pointed pieces hanging down like dog ears, buzzed up back, the whole thing! Can't wait until they look back one day and say 'what was I thinking??'

Tami said...

don't care if she goes to church.. said...
just care if she was a good mother to her children.....

*******
Too bad she's not : (

Tami said...

I was thinking about the irony of this whole situation.

There were no photographers following them around and taking pictures of them even when the show was probably at the height of its popularity.

Then came those first pictures of Jon and Deanna and it's been non-stop since then.
*******
I don't think so. Didn't the pictures get started when they went to Mr. Chow? Then they turned up on TMZ. My speculation is that they were called there to photograph them together and deflect from rumors they were on the rocks. I don't think it was because Jon had girlfriends. Seems to me it was a calculated PR or TLC plan to make it seem like they are innocent victims being followed by lying paparazzi and that you can't trust anything written about them because after all, they are just a normal family trying to raise their kids and getting followed by mean paps. What a joke. Then, of course they courted the press by having public parties, hanging out by the garage, etc.

The PR Machine said...

Joan10 said...
I was thinking about the irony of this whole situation.

There were no photographers following them around and taking pictures of them even when the show was probably at the height of its popularity.

Then came those first pictures of Jon and Deanna and it's been non-stop since then.


Like sharks to blood,

gossip reporters go after hypocrisy.



CityGirl said...

Just a Comment on the pics of the little kids first day of school. I cannot imagine what they are feeling as 5 year olds about to board a bus, mom and dad hissing at each other in the parking lot,(mostly mom) right in front of them. thinking maybe mommy might start yelling at daddy in the lot like she does at home: watching the "p" people and trying to figure out who is part of their crew and who isn't. These children looked scared, confused, hesitant, and not a single one had the slightest smile on their faces. So very sad. This should have been the most special day for those kids, Never again will they have their first day of kindergarten, and they had to endure all the drama Kate was able to bring along for their first day. For once, she could have made this a private event for their family, but not kate. Again, she was thinking of her 8 kids. She could hardly wait til the bus left before she rushed off like she was late for a hair appointment. She is sickening. The only good that will come now is that the kids will get a much needed break away from the monster. Kids in kindergarten are worn out after school, they won't be as playful for their second job when they get home, but kate won't mind because it is all for them, except for the stuff that is "ALL MINE, MINE, MINE!" which is everything.

MickeyMcKean said...

organizedblogroll said...

Over the past week, I have made the decision to forgo pressing on ALL gossip sites about J&K, and have also stopped taping their shows. ...

We, who claim NOT to have a minute for her, are in fact FUELING HER POPULARITY by pressing, Tivoing, etc. Kate has said before "I welcome the naysayers". BOY DO WE INDIRECTLY CONTRIBUTE TO HER WALLET.

If we would go away (which must account for at least 50% of the curiosity) maybe she would GO AWAY!

*********************************

Except when curiousity gets to me and I feel the need to see a video for myself, several weeks ago I stopped going to all the websites with an article on J&K to read because I am aware that with each click this is how they monitor what the general public is interested in which lets the editors know what will sell their magazines, tabloids, etc.

Besides, if one person on this blog not only posts the link BUT ALSO the contents of the article, I just read it HERE because I know it does not "FUEL THE FLAME".

For the record I have stopped watching the show months ago; yes I'm one of the many millions who was once a loyal viewer but now is no longer interested because TLC and the Gosselins have shown me that all is not as it seems. This is in addition, of course, that their alleged "family morals" and "Christian values" are not in sync with mine.

Besides, I know I can read all about the episodes - past and current - HERE since you guys are very good at dissecting what happens. In fact at times I think I "see" more by reading about an episode on this blog than watching it myself.

Mr. Nobody said...

Now Jon (a Mr.Nobody) that's not done a productive thing in his life other then become a father, is in Vegas, lounging poolside on a bed, and posing behind a velvet roped off area for him, while all the photograpers crowd around him like he's some dignitary, or superstar, and snapping photos.
It is absolutly nauseating. Who IS he? NOBODY. What is with all the hype with this guy. Take some of the money that you didn't really earn and go back to school or do something productive with it. What a wasted life. Booze, broads, and bling, that's his life now.

goawayfools said...

I wonder if the big attraction Kate has for Steve has more to do with the publicity the two of them together attract. Whether or not she's doing him, being photographed with such a handsome man and people wondering if they're together is a boost to Kates ego. I also do think she's in love with him. The only time she looked truly bereft was when he went away to spend time with his family. I think that Steve is risking his professional reputation by appearing too chummy with this unstable publicity whore. His wife could not appreciate this. She must be sick of all the self-made publicity involving her so-called friend and her husband

kategate09 said...

PICTURES!! STEVE & GINA NEILD and sons arrive at Kates for pool party on sosugary.com

Ohio Buckeye said...

"Jon lives up his bachelor lifestyle, surrounding himself with bikini-clad women..." This is the caption beneath JonBoy sitting poolside as he 'hosts' some kind of Vegas pool party.

What are this father of 8's life goals? As a dad who reportedly had a great dad himself, is he somehow unaware of his importance to his 8 kids as a role model? WHY is he trying to emulate the likes of Mr. Lohan and now what? Hugh Hefner??!

I was fortunate enough to have had a great dad. A patient, kind, honest, ethical man who never called attention to himself, not in a 'I'm so religious' way, not in a Life of the Party Wannabe way, and it is my dad's example I have spent my life trying to live up to.

Pondering this, I can only feel even sorrier for the Gosselin 8 - IMO, they have a narcisstic, controlling, meanspirited, emotionally unabalanced mom and a dad who seems not to have grown/developed at all in the last 10 yrs, and, instead, has apparently picked up right where he left off in his pre-K8 days. Sad and pathetic.

Those poor kids.

Some of those TLC megabucks better be socked away for the counselling, lawyer fees, and bail $ for the 8 kids - with these parents, do these poor kids even have a chance of growing up without serious psych/behavioral issues to overcome?

logical said...

Tami,

It's all a sham, its alllll been a sham from day one. I've said this from the very beginning and I'm sure not changing my mind now.

TLC= the lying channel

saratogachris said...

First, let me say that I found the video of the children boarding the school bus very disturbing. And, very recently, when I've seen the boom mike hanging over the kids as they "play", it makes me cringe. These little ones are living such fishbowl-like lives... a life very different than any other five year olds I've ever known. I wish their parents could take a step back and evaluate this for what it is... the exploitation of REAL children.

Moons in Leo said...

If it is true that school officially starts for the kids on the Wednesday after Labor Day, then the bus specatacle (J&K showing up in separate cars, etc.) was a staged event for their benefit.

---

Huh? You think the other parents dropping off their kids were hired actors?

8/29/2009 11:08 AM

Dear Huh?:

Please note my use of the word If.

K in PA said...

Look carefully at the People Mag cover, at the top of Kate's ears. It looks like they might have Photoshopped the top half of her face from one shot, and the bottom half from another together!

AlaMom said...

I'm a normal mom I have 2 kids I work a full time job. And I change outfits at least 3 times a day on my off days. Take the kids to school(1), run errands(2), pick the kids up, afternoon errands(3), if I go out to dinner or have evening fun(4).

Not to impress anyone not to be seen. Few people know this I get undressed as soon as I come home and just dawn a new outfit when I leave it may be one I wore for a few hours another day or completly new one. Just my 2 cents.

I can't however explain why they don't use another entrance or play in the backyard. Oh yeah they like to feed the paps!

OverwithKON~~ said...

OMG! I had to look at the pics of Jon. What a TOOL! No self respect at all. I cannot imagine selling my self like either of these 2 do. but then again I am poor, but I have my self respect. ICK he is a *NO*BODY!

Lower Heidelberg Neighbor said...

Vanessa said:
them home the same day? And another thing, PULL THE VEHICLE INTO THE GARAGE AND CLOSE THE GARAGE DOOR

Interesting thing about the house. The garage is actually detatched from the house and there is not connecting walkway or portico or anything.

Lower Heidelberg Neighbor said...

fidosmommy said:
I must be confused about when the school year started for these kids.
I went to a website for the school I thought they attended, and there was no Pre-K class offered. So, I looked at other schools, and the schedules seem to not match the
first-day-of-school photo op dates.

Sorry, I won't name the school but you are mistaken. This private school is on a different sched than any of the 18 public school districts in our county

They also offer a program called Jr.Kindergarten which is why Kate calls it by that name.

The Gosselins don't pick the bus stop...the school and/or the bus company they contract with does that.

stopthemadness said...

Jon's pictures posted at Getty Images along with the caption "jon Gosselin Appears at Wet Republic" just make me want to punch him in the nose. What is he doing and why are people referring to him being somewhere as "appearing" like he's frickin Princess Diana? Jon's at a party, big surprise. He's hosting a party, big deal. Does he know how to do anything else, oh yes, he likes to go fast, on go carts, squashing his poor 8 year old, on snow boards, on motorcycles.

I'm sick of his face, and his trying to appear like a teenager,wearing his shorts to go lounge around some pool trying to find women to pick up --who will be interested in him because he is famous only for being the lackey husband of Kate.
I don't think he'll get many job offers and should stay out of the limlight til the divorce and custody are over. There is something about the sight of him "partying" that just rubs me the wrong way. I can only imagine if Kate were being seen doing that. At least she is smart enough to take the advice of whoever told her to stay out of the limlight unless you are doing something motherly or totally innocuous like running to Kinko's. God knows who or what she's doing on her two weeks off, and that is as it should be. I don't think I could take much more of this.

goawayfools said...

Did the Gosselins hang out in the driveway of the new house before there was all this tabloid interest in them? Anyone from the area know?

Connie said...

I know this post is going to go against the grain of many here but I can't hold my tongue any longer and it's all opinion anyway.

At least Jon didn't drag the kids to LV for the photo op and to show the world what a great dad he is. And he's not pictured with any young women or doing anything illegal, immoral or even very exciting. I'm sure he's there to try and make some money and if the attendees are willing to pay, more power to him. At least he's not "using" people and young children to do so. And really, he's there with his mom. Kudos to Jon for having a heart and caring about his family.

Sarah said...

I've always loved Rabbi Shmuley from "Shalom in the Home"! Here, he writes about the Gosselins, and TLC's role in the demise of their family. Quite interesting.

http://www.shmuley.com/articles/details/jon_and_kate_plus_hate_-_or_-_how_twitter_can_save_your_marriage/

stopthemadness said...

silimom I also noticed that the test they did for the tups is not standard K readiness but seems to be geared towards those with delays whether mild or severe, handicaps etc.

I mentioned this before a few days ago but I think the kids were pretty close to being on track at three. I watched some re runs where they were in season 3 and tried to count sentence length just for an idea of their verbal skills (I taught pre school 2 and 3 YO) and they seemed to be okay although they do not seem to have progressed the way they should since then.

Part of that can be the stress of being filmed, interviewed, shuttled about for appearances- and not having the time to play and do what they would normally do because they have to go here, sit there, get dressed like this, smile, etc and when mom or dad is around they have a cell phone plastered to their head and never take the time that I have seen, to read to the kids, have them do seat work, do puzzles, work on them with number concepts etc. You KNOW if Kate were doing that she would be having them film it, the fact we've never seen anything being done to help these kids develop is enough to tell us it is not happening.

The other factor is that divorce and abusive relationships such as Jon and Kate had- and I'm guessing we saw a mere fraction of it - can actually damage kids cognitively. It is very upsetting for them and they just shut down. Their parents are again, too busy fighting to have time to spend positive quality time with their kids.

I think at least 3 of the kids failed the testing and not because they were premies but because they have babyish behavior and do not have the skills required to be successful at Kindergarten. The skills needed for California public Kindergarten are very surprising and it's true, some of those skills are picked up in Kindergarten but they are expected to have number concepts (count to 30, add and subtract small numbers -) when they get in, and should be able to count and write to 100 by the time they get out. The language skills and writing are supposed to be on their way also - they begin to learn to read in K and I don't see any of those kids being ready to begin to learn to read, I'd be surprised.

Something happened to these kids the last year or 18 months that has so taken their energy and "head space" they haven't progressed to where a 5+ year old kid would be.Ironically the smarter a child is the worse that type of stress seems to affect them although then you see it in acting out more so (like Mady) than in delays.

Even the boys' gross motor skills seem toddler-like although some of that could be because of being forced to wear Crocs - how are you supposed to be agile when you are forced to wear that type of ridiculous, inappropriate footwear to play.

I don't think this show has "helped" any of the kids. They got to see a battleship, which would be great if those experiences were but one aspect of a whole life that included mom and dad time, one on one, with respectful speaking, listening (more than "Put your Crocs on!" or "Get in the bus!") reading, etc.

stopthemadness said...

With all the money they have, the first thing they should be doing (and I'm betting the tups not getting into Kidnergarten would have come as a surprise to Kate, who after all, does not even know which of her children is left handed) is to get someone or several someones to come in and work with the tups on their skills. Pre K for a cuple mornings a week doesn't cut it.

They might have to divert some Starbucks and tanning booth money into that, and it will be interesting to see if kate maintains the path of a narcissist to where it's no price too high for something SHE wants but screw the kids or if she willstep up and get them a tutor, not some friends' daughter to hand out juice boxes and sit on her butt while they run around dumping buckets of dirt on their heads.

Double edge sword because if she DOES get them some help A, it proves they need it and could have benefitted from it before but their parents were too busy getting rich off them to notice the kids are failing pre school skills - and B, any tutoring or therapy for the kids would cut into filming time.

I am hoping she does the right thing. Jon will fade back into his clueless dad, hakuna matata, role so Kate is going to have to step up, or TLC will, considering the bad PR.

Kate, the fact that no one is dead or kidnapped doesn't mean it's all good. You're going to have to go a little further than grapes on a plate from here on out.

Bummer.

princess said...

To those who wonder who owns People Magazine, Time Inc does. Look up Time Inc and you will be surprised at all the connecting dots.

Moons in Leo said...

Mom In Ohio said...
I read somewhere that their divorce will be final in Sept. How is that possible? I live in Ohio and my divorce took 2 1/2 years before it was final.

8/29/2009 10:21 AM

Mom, it depends on the state and whatever needs to be worked out between the parties. I filed for divorce in September and received the final decree in December. In all probability they have agreed upon most matters through their attorneys, thus speeding up the process.

Lower Heidelberg Neighbor said...

goawayfools said...
Did the Gosselins hang out in the driveway of the new house before there was all this tabloid interest in them? Anyone from the area know?

They moved in during Fall of 2008 and the media attention and "fans" and curious onlookers driving by was immediate so your question is moot. There is no time before.

They don't associate with anyone from the neighborhood so none of us have ever been asked over for a visit.

But it is odd with ALL that private room in the sides and back that they would choose to live their lives on display in full view of the photogs.

Dunwoody Mom said...

Why does Jon get critized for hanging in Vegas with his Mother, but when the bodyguard shows up with Kate, the tabloid media could care less?

The pictures of Jon are tame. He does not appear drunk, nor is he hanging all over women. It looks like he is having a good time. Lord knows he deserves it after living with Kate Gosselin for 10 years.

NewWester said...

I am just curious as to see who will be in the best position to support the children if the show gets cancelled? Kate seems to be headed to host her own show (heaven help us!)as judging by all her media appearances. But Jon on the other hand does not seem to be doing anything except be doing a lot of partying and hanging around d list people like Micheal Lohan.
It all comes down to appearances, all the public ever sees is Jon acting like a college kid on Spring Break. I find it difficult to believe that Kate is not having a good time when not with the children. I don't believe for a second she has been living like a nun. They are both pathetic

Debra said...

Why is everyone here picking on Jon? He's just hosting a pool party. He's not going around media circuits giving interviews on TVs and magazines sayig everything he does is "for the kids". He doesn't go to target w. 3 target employees having to escort him out and he doesn't have a big entourage w. him but just his mom.

For those who say, "jon needs to get a job" - you really think he hasn't tried? It seems like he wants to but he's under contract w. TLC so there's so little that he could do. Take what's given to you - if they want him in vegas then he'll do the gig. And it's not like he can go home and "take care of the kids" b/c it's Kate's turn.

Pretty Fed Up said...

The average person is a 5 watt bulb. The Gosselins, at this time, are neon lights. Thus every company, network, news agency, Vegas location, etc. want to hitch up to them because the Gosselins reflect some of their "light" on them.

They don't care about the family. They probably don't even like them. It's the attention that everyone is after -- publicity that is hard to come by.

SAHM said...

Not sure if this was posted yet or not. Apologizes if it has....

http://www.abusewatch.net/CAN_TLC_JKFile.php

Marsha said...

Long time lurker, first time poster. Regarding the tups and kindergarten...I live in Berks County and my daughter turned 5 last July. I held her back b/c I just didn't feel that she was ready. I have spoken to many teachers and have been told that it is better to hold the kids back and give them a year to mature. A year makes a huge difference. I'm not suggesting that this is why the tups were held back, just offering my experience. We only see them for 1 hour a week(on TV) and it is impossible in that short span to determine their readiness to begin kindergarten. I am not pro-Kate - just offering a different viewpoint.

goawayfools said...

Do the kids ever get to invite friends over or go over to friends' houses? Or is it only kate's friends who are allowed over? Those children must be so lonely, even if there are eight of them.

Ohio Buckeye said...

EnoughSaidAlready & Fido'sMommy said... re: K8's refusal to selectively reduce the pregnancy defining her as "Christian" to some.... Excellent point!

IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO ALL, CHRISTIAN AND NON......IMO it's simplistic to sum up ethical values based on just one issue, i.e., being antiabortion or premarital virginity, or 'being a Christian'.

Defining self as moral really ought to require more than simply being antiabortion or virginal or having an affiliation with a particular religion.

Whatever religious affiliation you have (including no particular religious affiliation), if you are not 'treating others as you'd like to be treated', then you have a long way to go in fixing your own moral compass, IMO.

IMO, that's why labels like "Christian", "Antiabortion", "Premarital Virgin" sometimes cause problems - it sometimes comes across as another one of those sole measures of a person, as if any one religious value always defines the person as one who sets superior moral values for his/herself. Seems overly simplstic IMO when pondering such a complex issue as morality.

K8, Act I as the "Christian" "Antiabortion" mom bought her alot of instant loyalty from some camps. However K8, Act II is showing viewers a completely different BRAND, and one wonders how this rebranding of K8 is going to fare out here in the viewing market.

Time will tell.....IMHO, I think Ship Gosselin is going down like the Titanic.

Please, NO OFEENSE and NO DISRESPECT to anyone's religious beliefs (or lack thereof) intended. I am not here to offend anyone (except those involved with continuing J&K+8.)

Hannah W. said...

goawayfools said...

Do the kids ever get to invite friends over or go over to friends' houses? Or is it only kate's friends who are allowed over? Those children must be so lonely, even if there are eight of them.

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I actually saw somewhere that Kate, Mady, Cara, one of their friends, and one of their friends mom all went to a concert ( I think was Jonas Brothers or something like that ), so they do get to spend time with friends. Their friends parents probably just don't want their kids faces on tv. We have to remember that they do edit these shows, and their entire lives are not shown. As for MomofFour's comment, I agree 100%. Any comments regarding whether the tups and if they've been held behind should be deleted.

PaMa said...

I guess Kate won't have to be making those trips to the UPS store any more to pick up her free Juicy Juice drinks.

This is posted on the AbuseWatch.net Website:

Update - 08/25/09: Nestlé USA is no longer advertising on the John and Kate Plus Eight show. Brands include: NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE®, NESTLÉ® NESQUIK®, NESTLÉ®
COFFEE-MATE®, STOUFFER’S®, LEAN CUISINE®, HOT POCKETS® and LEAN POCKETS® brand sandwiches, NESCAFÉ®, NESCAFÉ® TASTER’S CHOICE®, NESTLÉ® JUICY JUICE®, BUITONI®, DREYER’S/EDY’S®, NESTLÉ®, CRUNCH®, NESTLÉ® BUTTERFINGER®, and WONKA®.

Happy Agnostic said...

2009 9:45 AM
Blogger Pamela Jaye said...

To those who say Kate is not Christian.
I'm not allowed to judge. (but I tend to anyway).
I appreciate the person who said she brings shame on those who *are* Christians.
I totally agree that there is hyprocrisy, and I appreciate whoever used that word. I've been looking for that word to describe this for a while.

Here's the thing. Christians are not perfect. Sometimes we are very far from perfect.
But at least we have the ability to be ashamed/embarassed/sorry for the bad things that we do.
Either Kate is unaware of her hypocrisy - bad
or she is completely aware and has made up an excuse why it's okay - worse
or she just doesn't care - worst.
--
I'm an agnostic and have the ability to be ashamed/embarrassed/sorry. That's hardly something exclusive to Christians.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

kategate09 said...
PICTURES!! STEVE & GINA NEILD and sons arrive at Kates for pool party on sosugary.com

8/30/2009 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've said it before and I'll say it again - this site always has the most pictures available. They have the 1-2 the tabloids have, but they always have tons more.

Case in point - there are 45 pictures of the "pool party" vs. 1 on the tabloid.

It still makes me curious who owns this site

Kate could not buy a clue said...

Avary said (abbreviated) "kate is a very insecure person"...

also an extremely clueless moron, devoid of intellect, common sense and forget humor - she has none but she does provide plenty for us!

Those kids are screwed with their alleged "parental" duo -

Kate is just ridiculous.

Jonboy said...

@Debra

No I do not think Jon is looking for a 'job' He is looking for yet another opportunity to ride on the coat tails of his children's 'fame'..perhaps if Jon conducted himself like a mature father of 8 he would not be 'picked on' Excusing his behaviour is something I agree with

your kids are not made of teflon said...

Teflon Kate - hysterical - such witty and really funny people post here - everyone can agree on that -thanks mods for all your efforts on behalf of those of us who love to laugh

non-stick kate, now way - there remains a little matter of that big bolt of karma coming Kate's way?

Jonboy said...

oops..correction on previous post: Excusing Jon's behaviour is NOT something I agree with

stopthemadness said...

Cool, I can go back to Nestle's Qwik. Never bought juicy juice but I may go get a half gallon to reward them for jerking their sponsorship.

The only thing these people understand is MONEY. Our refusal to purchase their products means they will stop sponsoring the show. Sponsors pulling their dollars from the show gets TLC's attention. I dno't think there's any Mr Big behind Kate, I think it's all about money. This site along with other avenues that focus on this family and the exploitation of these kids, may actually be accomplishing something to protect them when teh $$$ message gets all the way to their parents.

"Spend some quality time with these kids - even when no one's looking - and quit using them to get rich."

One question: People keep talking about this huge college fund for the children - who did that? Kate? Or the state of PA. I've read both.

Alie said...

PaMa said... (...)

This is posted on the AbuseWatch.net Website:

Update - 08/25/09: Nestlé USA is no longer advertising on the John and Kate Plus Eight show. Brands include: NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE®, NESTLÉ® NESQUIK®, NESTLÉ®
COFFEE-MATE®, STOUFFER’S®, LEAN CUISINE®, HOT POCKETS® and LEAN POCKETS® brand sandwiches, NESCAFÉ®, NESCAFÉ® TASTER’S CHOICE®, NESTLÉ® JUICY JUICE®, BUITONI®, DREYER’S/EDY’S®, NESTLÉ®, CRUNCH®, NESTLÉ® BUTTERFINGER®, and WONKA®.

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Fantastic news. I shall add Nestle products to my shopping list. I hope other companies follow suit and dump the Gosselins.

LP said...

Way to tap dance Jon! UPDATE: In response to our earlier report, Gosselin explains to E! News: "I'm not saying TLC is exploiting my children. But I do believe the media and tabloids covering my family and the show for their own financial gain are the ones exploiting them."

Here's a hint...HAVE KHATE STOP CALLING THE PAPS TO LET THEM KNOW HER/YOUR EVERY MOVE!!!!

nancy j. said...

Please do not be too quick to pat Nestle on the back and start buying their products.
The Nestle company has for decades been boycotted by many thousands of people across the world, including myself. They are directly responsible for the deaths of many hundreds of babies in third world countries. Please Google "Nestle Boycott". and read. One good place to start is the Wikipedia article, although there are literally thousands of other articles out there.
I'm not surprised that Nestle has pulled out of advertising for TLC - they are trying to do damage control and will try anything they can to repair their image.

goawayfools said...

What the hell will the gosselin kids drink if they no longer get boatloads of free non- organic juicy juice? Will Kate deem this product worthy of giving to her kids now that it will no longer be free, even though the company was more than generous for many years?

bj said...

Great news from Nestle!!
As to who owns the site sosugary.com; if you go to the homesite you will find that it is a free outlet for media to get pix out. They show some users and one is:::
The Gosselin Family Gallery

Amy2 said...

Before I post let me make it clear I an not a Kate fan.

I am sitting here watching the wonderful movie, Notebook. The story about a great love enduring through the ages. I'm reflecting on what is Kate's great love. I have watched J&K+8 since the beginning until Dec 08, then I had had enough. In the beginning I believe Kate had a plan for her life, to achieve fame, fortune, the big house and all the perks that go with it. She is an ambitious person as evidenced by having a liter of children then exploiting them for her goal. Along the way she used people (father's church people, volunteers, family, friends) then discarded them when they are no further use and could not further her goal. Now we're seeing discarding Jon. And what will happen with the children, are they in her future plans to be a talk show host? I feel absolutely awful thinking this about the children much less writing it. But history has shown mothers have done odd things for various reasons.

My point is for all Kate's flaws (and there are many) she has accomplished a lot of what she set out to do. Everyone hang on as Kate starts the next Phase in her life...whatever that may be. And who ever is included.

Weird! said...

Hmmm. The two woman (KHate and Gina) look pretty friendly with one another from the MANY pics I scrolled thru. The body language, the faces and smiles, even the way they were leaning in to one another at times: NOT the B.L. of a woman scorned who is Pissed at the woman Doffing her husband! Nope. I could have been WRONG about my growing certainty that Take was being "affair-ish" with Steve.
So if not though, then again: what IS the "relationship" and no matter what is going on, it does nOT seem to be a very professional one on Steve's side.!
The whole thing is Weird, sorry.

fidosmommy said...

Apparentely there is a 3rd letter to TLC from AbuseWatch.net.

They are pushing for people to write to the sponsors of ALL TLC programs to get ALL TLC in the financial hole.

The successful Nestlé campaign just shows that it can be done if the public really cares about child
exploitation. It took you awhile, Nestlé, but you came through in the end. I will now go out and purchase a few of your products just to say thanks.

Just A Thought said...

I still can't shake the suspision that the break up of Jon and Kate has something to do with her wanting another baby. The rumors were running rampant last year of their desire to adopt a "girl" (of course) from Korea. Kate even mentioned it in one of the issues of People. I wonder if when that didn't go as planned, she wanted to try again for "one more" and he put his foot down. He said that he always let her do what she wanted, and he finally put his foot down. She wasn't used to that-- she may have called his bluff, saying that if he didn't do as she wished- it was OVER. Just a thought. In the total scheme of my life it matters not on inch, but like everyone else, I am a bit curious. :)

MickeyMcKean said...

Sarah said...
I've always loved Rabbi Shmuley from "Shalom in the Home"! Here, he writes about the Gosselins, and TLC's role in the demise of their family. Quite interesting.

http://www.shmuley.com/articles/details/jon_and_kate_plus_hate_-_or_-_how_twitter_can_save_your_marriage/

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Sarah, thank you for posting this link! What a great article!

In my opinion, TLC *WAS* a moral network at one time which is why it was a favorite channel in my home, but it certainly is not now!

There is no doubt in my mind that TLC contributed to the demise of the Gosselin marriage - even if Kate does not want to admit it - and I agree, now it appears that TLC is "sitting back and letting a family implode ..."

The love of money is truly the root of all evil.

TOO MUCH JUICE! said...

PaMa said... (...)

This is posted on the AbuseWatch.net Website:

Update - 08/25/09: Nestlé USA is no longer advertising on the John and Kate Plus Eight show. Brands include: NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE®, NESTLÉ® NESQUIK®, NESTLÉ®
COFFEE-MATE®, STOUFFER’S®, LEAN CUISINE®, HOT POCKETS® and LEAN POCKETS® brand sandwiches, NESCAFÉ®, NESCAFÉ® TASTER’S CHOICE®, NESTLÉ® JUICY JUICE®, BUITONI®, DREYER’S/EDY’S®, NESTLÉ®, CRUNCH®, NESTLÉ® BUTTERFINGER®, and WONKA®.


Wow - that's great news for he kids! I'm guessing they can now add water and milk to their list of available drinks since they presumably won't be getting free Juicy Juice anymore. I have never seen children drink so much juice. As a pediatric nurse, their frequent consumption of juice has always struck a nerve with me. Even though these children obviously don't have weight problems, there is a lot of sugar in fruit juice. A lot of pediatricians now recommend avoiding juice just like other sugary drinks... I can't tell you how many moms I've heard from who swear their children's behavior and concentration improved dramatically when they limited juice consumption.

NT said...

No more free Juicey Juice!!!!

mykidsmom said...

I did a reverse email on the email listed on the site: gosselingallery@hotmail.com". This site is registered in Alpharetta, GA. Who in Alpharetta GA would have access to these pictures?

illinillinois said...

If you watch any of the shows taped pre-2008, Kate is almost unrecognizable as the same person. Seeing her spend the day in sweats and a tshirt, no makeup, discussing how she knows nothing about fashion.

It is almost like she is a Stepford wife.....how could a person do such a complete 180? It is really frightening....I hope some pychologist is making Kate a case study in severe personality disorders.

Tired of K8 said...

re: young children drinking juice... guess what? usually means a lot more cavaties.

Thanks Nestle - I hope you jumped the K8 ship because the show and KON stink.

PS People + CNN (where Larry King is) and who has been running KON story links non-stop on the front home page.

happymomof100 said...

I continually read here (GWoP)that “Jon should get a job or get a real job.” I have a few thoughts on this.
Jon has a job,it's with TLC, and this job has a legally binding contract. You may not agree with his (not the kids) employment but he is EMPLOYED. A 9-5 job? Please don’t! The flexibility he has now affords him the opportunity to be available for the children on a moments notice. I think Kate will start to spiral out of control as the mainstream media reports on the truth of her. How long do you think he could hold a 9-5 and deal with 8 kids and a neurotic, disturbed, and unpredictable Kate?
While money isn’t everything, when you have a father and 8 kids that need therapy to deal with the divorce, exploitation, oh, and let’s not forget all the therapy just because Kate’s your mom. CHA-CHING$$$$ He needs the TLC income.
Jon needs to stop his “party ways, Vegas, etc.”
Consider this, Jon has been the primary caregiver for his 8 children and now….when Kate comes home he is supposed to walk out the door and leave his children in the care of a women who ….well, fill in the blank with something you have watched her do. Now think about how much Jon may have seen her do! Know he has to leave the children alone with her, and she is in complete control.
Yes, he needs a new way to deal with this and I don’t give Jon a pass for some of the alleged things he may have done. But maybe he’s struggling with everything and looking for away to ease some of his fear and pain. It appears he may have better consultants supporting him now then in the past. I hope so.
Oh yea, Mr. Gray, maybe he’s the kids bodyguard and he’s with Kate because she is the threat to the kids. Just a thought.

Sarah said...

Mickey Mckean,

I wholeheartedly agree with you. I want the old TLC that did things for the good of others. Sure, they made their money, but it was about entertaining through education. Now it's about $$$ and how to exploit a family. Because if I may say so, the kids aren't the only victims in this. I can't stand Jon or Kate, but they were turned into the monsters they are because of the network. Their family has been destroyed by greed, and the greed has been fueled by TLC

Why they would slap their name on Jon and Kate Gosselin is beyond me! Sure, they're making money, but losing the respect of us that loved the network because it wasn't like every other network...

Transparent Kate said...

I'm sorry, but in my gut I still feel that Kate IS in love with Steve, and I don't care HOW she tries to deny it, but someone like Kate is NOT good at hiding her feelings. I think that there WAS some kind of hanky panky going on, and by the way Kate is sucking up to Gina (a virtual stranger to her until TLC HIRED Steve), is a little too transparent. Kate is hiding the truth, so what does she do?...She befriends the wife.

She cried said...

I just saw online the People Magazine article where Kate explained what happened at the nail salon with Cara. Kate yelled at her in the salon, in front of all the people because poor Cara told Kate it was taking too long and she was tired. Kate was furious with her, and Cara cried all the way out of the salon.
So, sorry to the poster who said a BUG flew in her eye, or allegies.

readerlady said...

HOORAY! Now I can put Lean Cuisine, Stouffers, and Nestle Chocolate bars back on my shopping list.

I was watching a movie I taped the other day and, at the very end of the tape, was a snippet of a J&K+8 episode. I don't know what episode it was, but I'm guessing it was from the end of last season or the beginning of this one, when Kate was on one of her many junkets. Jon was feeding the kids a meal (and actually eating with them,for a wonder). He'd promised the kids candy if they ate their dinner. One of the little girls (I think Hannah, but I'm not sure - it was just a snippet) didn't finish her dinner so didn't get any candy. She was crying about it. Jon picked her up, hugged and kissed her, and patiently explained why she didn't get a piece of candy. It was sweet and touching. I can just imagine Kate's behavior in the same circumstance. Reminded me all over again why, much as I disapprove of his current behavior, I think Jon is the far better parent.

The Juice is Cancelled said...

Well at least we don't have to see Kate at the UPS store, hauling cases full of JuicyJuice anymore.
Thanks, Nestle.

She found a pair of slacks said...

Kate is with Gina Neild today, and all of a sudden no babydoll dresses caught in her butt. No platform shoes or high heels, no mini denim skirts or bizarre wedgies, or low cut top. She is actually wearing SLACKS? We have been mentioning this on here forever, that she doesn't OWN a pair of slacks. Gina N. shows up and OH,YES, I have slacks to wear, I can't look too obvious or slutty with Gina here, even though I'd like to for Steve.
What a snake.

Ohio Buckeye said...

LP said.... If J&K are SOOOO very upset about the photogs and tabloids exploiting their kids, the solution is relatively simple: pull the plug on "J&K+8". Duh. Not rocket science.

The media may not immediately go away completely but they WILL go away. And they will go away sooner than later once YOU, J&K, stop making YOURSELVES 'newsworthy' to the tabloids.


So, J&K stop playing both sides of the fence: Side A) Oh, poor us, we are hounded 24/7 and can't escape vs. Side B) "The show must go on" and "we have to feed our beloved children". NO ONE is buying this, as it is nonsensical.

J&K, if you really WANTED peace for your kids, you'd knock off your ridiculous quest for fame and fortune (neither have any notable skill or talent for the entertainment world) and put your efforts instead toward returning to your pre-tv life of oblivion.

K8, get over yourself and your need for constant attention and adoration. Both of you: Sell the mansion & stop blowing the kids' bucks on expensive cars, wardrobes, exotic vacas and constant trips to the spa. In other words, return to the middle class life you pretended for the cameras to have, and get REAL jobs that would pay for a REAL life for your kids.

THAT is the only hope the Gosselin 8 have for ever having any semblance of normalcy in their young lives. J&K, it's totally up to YOU. You are victims only of your own ongoing lousy choices. No one to blame but the two of you. Good luck explaining all this self-created mess to your 8 kids in a few years.

enoughalready said...

Totally agree about the slacks... !!! suddenly she turns up looking decent and conservative instead of those ridiculous baby doll, neckline above the nips - tops.
Does anyone notice she loves wearing thsoe low cut necklines so that everytime she bends over to deal with the kids, the paps and all the men viewers get their money shot!

MickeyMcKean said...

Just A Thought said...
I still can't shake the suspision that the break up of Jon and Kate has something to do with her wanting another baby. The rumors were running rampant last year of their desire to adopt a "girl" (of course) from Korea. Kate even mentioned it in one of the issues of People. I wonder if when that didn't go as planned, she wanted to try again for "one more" and he put his foot down.

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I do not watch TLC anymore and I certainly do not buy any magazine or tabloid that has Kate on it. So this rumor about Kate wanting to adopt one more child from Korea, or wanting more children at all, was news to me.

I admit I have already wondered ... how much longer could this show go on? I mean we all agree that the tups are cute but hey, they are getting older now.

In my case, I am more inclined to tune in to watch toddlers growing up, not kids in grade school. This is why I figured this show would eventually have to go to a once a year holiday format.

However, if there is some truth to the rumor that Kate wanted to add to the household, then I have a feeling it was just another ploy to keep the viewers coming back for more, which of course keeps her on the air for a few more years ...

alsoamomtotwins said...

mykidsmom said...
I did a reverse email on the email listed on the site: gosselingallery@hotmail.com". This site is registered in Alpharetta, GA. Who in Alpharetta GA would have access to these pictures?
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Wow. Great research. Just a point of clarification. Sosugary is just a photo hosting site where the Gosselin Gallery is hosted. Sosugary, the actual site, is actually in Australia and has nothing to do with the Gosselin photos.

But that still begs the question of who in Georgia has access to so many photos? And why?

alsoamomtotwins said...

fidosmommy said...

The successful Nestlé campaign just shows that it can be done if the public really cares about child
exploitation. It took you awhile, Nestlé, but you came through in the end. I will now go out and purchase a few of your products just to say thanks.
__________________

I would encourage anyone who has a minute to write to Nestle and thank them. Really. It will matter. It will reinforce to Nestle that they did the right thing and it will let them know that consumers care about corporate responsiblity.

Annies said...

Ironically the kid's school bus stop is in the same shopping strip mall as Katie's Target store and she seems to like Dick's sporting good store also.

Starzz said...

I did a WHOIS search on sosugary.com and this is who owns it:

Domain Name: sosugary.com
Registrar: Name.com LLC

Expiration Date: 2010-10-03 02:36:52
Creation Date: 2008-10-03 02:36:52

Name Servers:
ns1.sosugary.com
ns2.sosugary.com

REGISTRANT CONTACT INFO
StarsZZ Network
Lindsay Tseng
PO Box 281
Springvale
VIC
3171
AU

The company also owns starszz.com, where people can host fan sites. So it's an entertainment company, but that doesn't tell who's actually running the Gosselin gallery on there.

MomofFour said...

Okay...to the comment about "Church people like her because she is pro-life". Actually...the hard core Christians are against IVF or artificially producing pregnancies or birth control or any of that. So no...not all the pro-life people would support OctoMom or the Gosselins. Not to start a huge back and forth opinion war...but I do know for a fact that the hard-core Christian folks would not be in favor of IVF. They may like the fact that she didn't reduce or whatever...but they would be against IVF. I read these comments almost every Sunday for some reason.

GrammaJude in PA said...

I am a subscriber to People magazine and was absolutely dumbfounded and appalled when I saw the current issue with Khate on the cover.

Senator Ted Kennedy's death occurred this week, with his burial yesterday, and this did not take precedent over her nothing but bitching article. Senator Kennedy and his family have given back so much to the entire nation and world that the decent thing would have been to focus him and his accomplishments. But no, People seems to have screwed him over in favor of Khate and her "problems".

I will no longer be subscribing to People. In the great scheme of things, this will not even make the tiniest of ripples, but I will know the huge tsunami it has made for me.

Mary said...

Those pictures do not look like the other pictures we have seen of Gina Neild.
The only reason we think it is her is because Kate tipped off the Paps and they say it is her.
Can anyone confirm that is the real Gina?

just wondering said...

stopthemadness said...
With all the money they have, the first thing they should be doing is to get someone or several someones to come in and work with the tups on their skills. Pre K for a cuple mornings a week doesn't cut it.

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It doesn't suit Kate's delusion. She doesn't need therapy and her kids don't need tutors. It would not fit the picture she has created in her head.

thewheelsonthebus said...

"I don't know if this has been brought up already, but why didn't jon and kate TAKE the kids to school? You know, walk them to their classes, meet the teachers and other parents, kiss the kids goodbye, etc.?"

Our school discourages this. If your children are to ride the bus to school, they recommend sending them on the bus from day one.

franky said...

GrammaJude in PA said...

I am a subscriber to People magazine and was absolutely dumbfounded and appalled when I saw the current issue with Khate on the cover.

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Exactly GrammaJude..I do not get it either..I have stopped clicking the link provided by CNN for People Mag as well..

My what a tangled web we weave...they are ALL inter-connected..so glad I am Canadian and my channels/networks are not so inter-connected as of yet, but we are getting there...but we are fighting it every inch of the way.

Thank G-d our reality shows so far are basically dance related only...

Michelle in Michigan said...

For those of you wondering about the friendship between Kate and Gina and a possible affair:

My ex left me for my best friend. I wouldn't have known it if I hadn't walked in on an inappropriate moment. It was still denied right up until the end. She was so convincing that she called me for small talk one day and in the end just wanted to know how to reach him because we had moved. I don't buy any of it. Kate is a liar and we all know it and can put on a show no matter the circumstances. I call BS on the friendship. It's all for the TLC paid photogs and sheeple.

stopthemadness said...

I don't think I could put pre K kids on a bus to go to school alone, although if that is what the school wants, and all the other parents do it, you don't get a lot of choice possibly. The school too may have felt that having them and an entourage of body guards and paps even if outside the gates, would not be good and may have made arrangements with Gosselins to do the bus route. For them more so than other parents that rule makes sense


Showbiz Tonight gives props to kate for her Larry king interview ...ugh.

Avary said...

Just for the record - Kate didn't have IVF. She was taking fertility drugs which resulted in hyper-stimulated ovaries.

Has to be said said...

illinillinois said...
If you watch any of the shows taped pre-2008, Kate is almost unrecognizable as the same person. Seeing her spend the day in sweats and a tshirt, no makeup, discussing how she knows nothing about fashion.

It is almost like she is a Stepford wife.....how could a person do such a complete 180? It is really frightening....I hope some pychologist is making Kate a case study in severe personality disorders.
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Not being rude or unkind just stating a different opinion....I'm not a Kate fan or hater, just very close to the situation.

IMO, Kate was very nice looking in her and Jon's in the begining videos slim, tan, blonde. What personality disorder goes with seeing your husband belittle you, lead you astray, take no kind of lead of you're family, see yourself flabby, pasty, and brunette(my fav, not everyone's)...And what to tone up change look better for the camera make the shell of the man beside you stand up straight, talk in a complete sentence and not make "her" look like the idot all the time.

Not trying to press buttons but, how many of you have seen that one picture, or video of self that sets off a chain reaction of change. The only difference between you and Kate is that she was actually successful in changing her before and after. And most of us are still stuck on the before, and full of excuses. JMO, no offense.

stopthemadness said...

maybe spoke too soon - just saw the rest of the Showbiz Tonight segment on Kate and whether she is "saying too much" about the divorce, whether it's hurting her kids- neither of the guest speakers was favorable to her - the gal said, if Kate doesn't like all this attention, get off Larry King and go be with your kids - we all saw how badly she treated Jon for 4 seasons and she had a big role in why he left - the guy, an Aussie by the sounds of it, said that Kate's LK appearance was "PR" and scripted, part of her attempt to appear kinder - he thinks she may have success in positioning herself in a better light however it might not be "the real her." Both suggested that she is responsible in part for her marriage failing and that she won't admit that, and til she does, her "rehabilitation won't be complete."

Pretty reasonable and even handed, AJ Hammer didn't come off as clueless as he often does, IMO.

the web we weave said...

To stopthemadness
1) the tups were not alone on the bus thier big sisters were with them.

2)showbiz tonight, cnn, larry king, people magazine...TLC all one big happy family.

ALSO to thise trying to solve the SO Sugary Mystery, not too long ago the sosugary guy/gal actually posted a hello to all of us right on this blog and explained simply why the pictures were posted.

It does pay to follow the Mods suggestion and read all the previous posts .....JMHO.

stopthemadness said...

I'm not trying to bash Jon's mom, just wondering what inthe world were the family dynamics on both sides. How could Jon allow Kate to determine whether his family was part of the kids' lives? People had that question on the show quite a bit, as to BOTH of their families and all we got was this mealy mouthed stuff about how they weren't part of their lives, that didnt mean they hated them, they were just "busy" etc.

I have to wonder if at some point the family had real issues about something - even before the show.

I ask myself what would have to be the case for me to cut off relatives, the only thing I can think of is that they would be bad to the children or to me, to where I did not want them around.

Issues about cribs or hand me downs wouldn't do it, whether I were in Kate's shoes or her father's, "busyness" wouldn't do it. If she were abusing her kids I would call the authorities, I wouldn't cut myself off from her and her children, that doesn't help solve it. It's a poser.

I'm hoping Jon will rectify that - if this is all Kate's doing. He can invote the family back into their lives, unless he's willing to refuse to do so in order to mollify her - or unless the issues they had that drove them apart are still in place - the show, in the case of Jodi and Kevin, feeling that the kids are exploited.

Don't deserve 8 kids said...

"I don't know if this has been brought up already, but why didn't jon and kate TAKE the kids to school? You know, walk them to their classes, meet the teachers and other parents, kiss the kids goodbye, etc.?"

Our school discourages this. If your children are to ride the bus to school, they recommend sending them on the bus from day one.


I guess it's different based on where you live. Where we live, parents are invited and encouraged to bring their kids to school on the first day, both in public and private schools. My daughter goes to a public school, and on the first day they have to have parent volunteers directing traffic and showing people where to park because we have so many parents on campus. It's a huge tradition here to walk your kids into school on the first day, greet the teacher, see who is in the class, snap some pictures, etc.

Im_in_PR said...

Has to be said said...

What personality disorder goes with seeing your husband belittle you,


Well, by that statement right there we know YOU didn't spend the past 3-4 years watching Jon & Kate +8.

Everyone knows it was KATE who spent all that time belittling Jon.

Dee said...

Regarding the poster who wrote how some of us are stuck in the before phase and how successful Kate was in changing...those of us stuck in the before phase are there because most likely we didn't opt for surgery, pawn our kids/housework off on someone else so we could exercise, and actually GO to work. This leaves little time for the average person to morph into the new and improved self. Not impossible, but may just take a little longer than "can do Kate".

stopthemadness said...

for that matter, the webweweave, the tups were not alone, they had each other.

however, it's not the same as having your parents deliver you to school the first day.

Their sisters had their own classes to make their way in, on their own, and were not there to deliver the tups and reassure them.

Whatever the school does, for all the kids, those arrangements will have to do for Gosselin kids, however for ME, I would not be able to put a 5 year old on the bus for the first day of school without some misgivings - they are so young. It's probably good for them, however they have been sheltered within their own family quite a bit, I would imagine that a bus ride going to a new school the first time could be somewhat daunting especially for kids who are deemed too young or whatever, to have Kindergarten readiness.

Im_in_PR said...

Transparent Kate said...

I'm sorry, but in my gut I still feel that Kate IS in love with Steve, and I don't care HOW she tries to deny it, but someone like Kate is NOT good at hiding her feelings. I think that there WAS some kind of hanky panky going on, and by the way Kate is sucking up to Gina (a virtual stranger to her until TLC HIRED Steve), is a little too transparent. Kate is hiding the truth, so what does she do?...She befriends the wife.




I totally agree. I recently saw a photo where Steve is holding out his hand to help her out of the car, I think as they were arriving at the LKL studio. Steve was looking at here with such tenderness that my heart broke for his wife.

Anyone doesn't understand how Steve could fall for Kate??? I'll tell you why, because she acts like she needs him, and he seems just foolish enough to fall for it.

Also note the fact that when she is with Steve, she dresses in clothing that is very revealing. But when Steve's poor wife comes around, Kate dresses like some suburban hausfrau.

goawayfools said...

Has to be said, I'm having a hard time understanding your post but are you really saying that Jon belittled Kate and led her astray? If so, you could not be more wrong. He was amazingly respectful and tolerant to a woman who could not have been more disrespectful and intolerant of him. He could not have led her astray since she completely dominated him and made all the decisions without regard to his wishes. I think Illinois' point was that Kate claimed to know nothing about fashion, that she used any extra money they had on the kids and now she seems obsessed with her looks: plastic surgery, Botox, tanning, daily hours long workouts, hair and nail appointments, new clothes every day. It IS bizarre and so different from the early years. Worst of all, all that energy and time she spends on her looks could be much better spent with her eight kids, who she claims to do everything for yet seems to have no time for. And even after all that effort, Kate still has the ability to make people's skin crawl and blood boil...such an ugly ugly person.

MickeyMcKean said...

Connie said...
I know this post is going to go against the grain of many here but I can't hold my tongue any longer and it's all opinion anyway.

At least Jon didn't drag the kids to LV for the photo op and to show the world what a great dad he is. And he's not pictured with any young women or doing anything illegal, immoral or even very exciting. I'm sure he's there to try and make some money and if the attendees are willing to pay, more power to him. At least he's not "using" people and young children to do so. And really, he's there with his mom. Kudos to Jon for having a heart and caring about his family.

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Connie, you are not alone.

Linda said...

@ Has to be said

You say you are 'very close to the situation' and went on to say: 'What kind of personality disorder goes with seeing your husband belittle you, lead you astray and take no kind of lead of you're family'

I say: What show were you watching? Are you actually saying that you feel Kate was belittled and led astray by Jon? Please. If anyone was belittled and led astray it was Jon. And speaking of personality disorders, Kate should really talk to a professional about hers.

You also said:

'The only difference between you and Kate is that she was actually successful in changing her before and after and most of us are still stuck on the before'

I say: I really don't think you can speak for most of us. If you are referring to Kate's physical transformation from before and after then all I can say is that Kate has alot of free time, free clothing, has had a free tummy tuck/implants and her kids money to spend on trainers etc. Alot of women do not live that kind of life do they? Frankly, I do not care how much Kate transforms her physical appearance, to me she is still ugly inside and she has been very unsuccessful in changing that. Her acting skills are just not that good and it insults people's intelligence for her to even attempt to make people think she is someone she is not.

Sara said...

@Connie

Please. Yes Jon was photographed with a bevy of young women in LV..why does he deserve praise for taking his mom to Vegas? How about taking her to see her grandchildren when it is his turn to visit his kids at their home/working set?

Yes Jon is 'using' people. He is using the media and the notoriety of his kids 'fame' to promote himself (as what I have no idea..not yet divorced/player/ Z-lister wanna-be?) Jon thinks HE is a brand yet he has not figured out that without his kids he does not have much to sell. I also don't think he deserves a pat on the back because he did not take his kids to Vegas. Why would he take them? They would cramp his style as the cool guy and I don't think Jon would want his 8 kids around when he is surrounded by bikini babes taking their phone numbers. Jon is a poser and a desperate one at that. The photos of him propped up on a bed with his shades on and a poster of himself on the wall were all I needed to see to know that whatever Jon is selling I never want to buy. He seems oblivious to the fact that he is embarrassing his children and they do not need to see their father on video heckled by people who think he is a joke. Its time Jon grew up and got over his 'I know who I am now' phase.. Last time I checked he is a father of 8 kids who need a father who puts them first and not his own wish to make money off of the fact he fathered 8 kids.

Connie said...

Has to be said said...

Not being rude or unkind just stating a different opinion....I'm not a Kate fan or hater, just very close to the situation.
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Could you please explain what you mean by "just very close to the situation." Does this mean you have personal knowledge of the relationship between Jon and Kate, either now or in the past? I'm just curious if you know something we don't. I'm not sure I quite understand what point you were trying to make.

And as far as Kate improving her looks I have no opinion. But I am amazed how a single woman with 8 children can find the number of hours in the day required to both "keep up her appearance" the way she does AND spend QUALITY time with the children. And much of her time is spent in front of cameras so I can't think there's very much private, alone time with the kids. There are only 24 hours in a day no matter how you slice it.

I just have to think something gets pushed to the side and it sounds like it's the children. IMO what Kate says and what she does are two different things. It's just a shame because she has 8 beautiful children that need her...especially now. I guess it all depends on your priorities.

Connie said...

Sara said...
@Connie

Please. Yes Jon was photographed with a bevy of young women in LV..why does he deserve praise for taking his mom to Vegas? How about taking her to see her grandchildren when it is his turn to visit his kids at their home/working set? .......etc.
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I didn't reprint the whole post, but you and I have very different opinions and are coming at this from different directions. Perhaps I'm a fool for trying to think the best of people, including Kate. There's nothing I would like better than for both of them to open their eyes and be blessed with perfect vision...how to handle their marriage, their children, their lives.

In the end, what you think or what I think doesn't matter diddly squat. We can't fix Jon & Kate and quite frankly, I think all of the emotion and back and forth on these blogs is wearing. I think it's time for me to go away for awhile. It's 3:20 in the morning and here I sit trying to justify my feelings. Something's wrong with this picture. It's been interesting and thanks so much to the moderators. I hope everything works out for the Gosselin family. May the children find peace in their lives and whatever happens, I hope it's for the best for everyone involved.

logical said...

I just dont think thats Gina, again I think it's all a sham including these pics...

nanb said...

the web we weave said...
***edited for space:***

ALSO to thise trying to solve the SO Sugary Mystery, not too long ago the sosugary guy/gal actually posted a hello to all of us right on this blog and explained simply why the pictures were posted.

It does pay to follow the Mods suggestion and read all the previous posts .....JMHO.
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I know I read the post but I still question it.

This site has many photos sometimes before the supposed big guns have them, has more of them and only a small amount of their galleries thank Radaronline and justjared etc for the use. Does that mean they take most of the pictures? Could they be associated with Splash or IMF etc maybe?

Just because someone posts something doesn't make it true.

GG said...

I know that the Gosselins profess to be Christian. Isn't Hailey Glassman Jewish?

Team Neither said...

Linda said....
You say you are 'very close to the situation' and went on to say: 'What kind of personality disorder goes with seeing your husband belittle you, lead you astray and take no kind of lead of you're family'

I say: What show were you watching? Are you actually saying that you feel Kate was belittled and led astray by Jon? Please. If anyone was belittled and led astray it was Jon. And speaking of personality disorders, Kate should really talk to a professional about hers.
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Kate was bad to Jon and that's all we saw. In earlier eps before the shows "formula" was developed (and they realized that people, for some reason, enjoy watching Kate snap at Jon) Jon wasn't so kind either. I cannot remember specific instances but I do remember my gut feeling about him. I don't think he is the poor beaten down puppy many think he is. He seems like the type to hold it all in and have a rage episode.

I think they had a very poisonous relationship that we only saw one half of.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Khate's transformation is more akin to Michael Jackson's transformation, imo. Khate's tranformation has been because of plastic surgery procedures, fake tanning, and dental work. Yes we all looked gorgeous on the day of our wedding, and we all probably looked like dorks as fourteen year olds in our year books. But most of us realize that it the beauty that comes from the inside that is most important, and Khate has none of that. She is an empty shell. She is not self confident, self assured, nor has she tenacity. Her PR team's new angle is not going to wash, sorry.

ihatethisshow said...

lots of pics on sosugary!
poor jon, trying to do the right thing for his kids (standing up to khate, trying to get him (and the kids too?) off the show....and what happens? tlc, with the contract, is throwing him under the bus! tlc only cares about their bottom line, and if they have to make this spawn of satan (kate) into their big money maker, well then, so be it. they don't care about the kids, they don't even care about kate, they only care about money.
and the pics with the neilds? ain't buying it. how do we even know that is his family? i didn't see one pic where he even touched his 'wife', much less showed marital affection.
it is laughable that kate dressed down, just so funny! everything this woman does is orchestrated by tlc.
larry king was right, TLC IS RUNNING KATE, and she is too stupid to realize it. LOL!!!!!
in her eyes, i guess she thinks she 'has it all'. well, in mine, she lost everything that mattered.

ihatethisshow said...

since kate cut him off last fall, how about jon use the tactic of alienation of marital affection in the divorce?
i do not condone relationships outside of marriage, but i am sure kate cut him off and told him too bad.
he seems like a nice but not too smart guy. got duped by a blonde, got duped again by tlc, and now just woke up and realized what has happened.
i am sure he wishes the show had never happened.
a 9 to 5 job is not possible, since tlc is muzzling him with the contract. since he doesn't want to 'play anymore', tlc is going to see how much damage they can inflict on this poor guy.
i am glad i do not watch that channel.

imaamy said...

Have to say there is so much revolting about both J and K, but that picture of him sitting by the pool trying to look like Hugh Hefner was the icing on the cake! Ick.

stopthemadness said...

I think Kate's looks are a good indication that she wasn't into fashion before. That hair - OMG. The baked on tan from a can, the teeth whitened to nearly blue - why go up a few shades if you can go Clorox white, and the smile that shows each one of them - the outfits - and where she wears the outfits - it's like she's all very new to this whole "looking good" thing.
I think she will tone it down as she gets used to it, gets used to having the money to do these things but right now it's like she is playing dress up with a vengeance. There seems to be an element of desperation.

I too, don't want any of what Jon is selling. Maybe with better PR... that is one place Kate's got him beat. At least she's trying to portray herself as a positive person, while what is he portraying? The problem is I don't believe her portrayal -neither do most savvy people I don't think - where with Jon he's either faking this Jon-on-a-bed-under-poster-of-Jon with his god awful earrings, or he actually is that person. Which guy do you want to be.

Jon has a good shot nowwhile Kate's out there way overworking her story and her celebrity, of staying home and being a good dad. Then keep the privatelife private, stay off the fence line and off the velvet roped poolside beds- yuck. People remember him from the show as being a good dad and a beat down husband, he is overplaying the wild animal let out of a cage. They both seem desperate.

realitybites said...

'The only difference between you and Kate is that she was actually successful in changing her before and after and most of us are still stuck on the before'

I disagree. I dont see any successful before vs after change in Kate Gosselin; what I do see is a CONSISTENT. A CONSISTENT in that she consistently exploits her children for self serving and monetary purposes. As long as 'the show is our life and our life the/A show', if ANYONE is guilty of still being 'stuck on a before' it is Kate Gosselin.

Pamela Jaye said...

I've only gotten as far as Ohio Buckeye (forget what date) but want to echo, agree, whatever:

Basis of Christianity (that the world can see) is Love Your Neighbor as Yourself. (the other things are just an offshoot of that. Don't produce children you can't care for, don't shoot abortion doctors in parking lots, take responsibility for your own behavior before you throw stones, etc)

Other forms of religion/spirituality also have a moral code. Christians are not superior. We're not unique. And often we act worse. So, no offense to other "religions" or those who have no god but still have a moral code.

The reason Christianity is brought up here is cause Jon & Kate started off saying they practiced it. Alas, the only portion they seem to have practiced is the "we won't abort ant of the fetuses" part. Kate should have tried the "listen to your husband" part when he said two is enough.

Spent time in chat with a batch of Christian Scott Bakula fans once. We were talking Scott, but some were losing a parent. There was a lot of I'll pray for you. Got a private message "is everone Christian? I'm Jewish!" I said, no problem here, we all believe in something.
It's not my goal to elevate one over another - but people's behavior - when it's as hypocritical as Kate's is (at least Jon was friendly to neighbors) that's what makes us discuss it.

Pamela Jaye said...

Happy Agnostic:
I'm an agnostic and have the ability to be ashamed/embarrassed/sorry. That's hardly something exclusive to Christians.

You're right. Sorry. What I meant is of course you are capable. Our belief should "require" us to be.There are standards we profess we should live up to. We should at least be sorry when we fail. And Kate is not sorry.
Her bad behavior is always someone else's fault. Whose will it be now that Jon is gone?

Slightly related: ever notice the "It's OUR life" ?
It's almost as if she is saying "no get your nose out of it."

Has to be said said...

Im_in_PR said...
Has to be said said...

What personality disorder goes with seeing your husband belittle you,

Well, by that statement right there we know YOU didn't spend the past 3-4 years watching Jon & Kate +8.

Everyone knows it was KATE who spent all that time belittling Jon.
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I encourage you to watch the first episodes from '06, and see if you feel the same way. Jonboy not Kate had quite a few tantrums caught on tape. That were both directed at Kate and the children. She had to constantly try to defend and correct his behavior at the same time. If you take another look maybe you wouldn't blame her for taking control of "their" image.

lagne said...

MomofFour said...
Okay...to the comment about "Church people like her because she is pro-life". Actually...the hard core Christians are against IVF or artificially producing pregnancies or birth control or any of that. So no...not all the pro-life people would support OctoMom or the Gosselins. Not to start a huge back and forth opinion war...but I do know for a fact that the hard-core Christian folks would not be in favor of IVF. They may like the fact that she didn't reduce or whatever...but they would be against IVF. I read these comments almost every Sunday for some reason.

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As a committed, "hardcore" Christian, I'd have to disagree. I have no problem whatsoever with fertility treatments or contraception. While I am a committed Christian, I am not a "fundamentalist" Christian; perhaps that's the word you were looking for?

You might be thinking of the Catholic church, which frowns on both of these things. Whether or not the Catholic church is "hardcore" depends on your definition, I guess.

I've been sickened by so many Christians' fawning over Kate just because 1) she and Jon didn't abort some of the babies, and 2) claimed Christianity. Their relationship bore so little resemblance to a respectful, loving, godly marriage that I've always been flabbergasted at many Christians' lack of critical analysis in choosing to put these two on a pedestal.

Vanessa said...

I dont' know where it was posted but someone mentioned that the first rainy day, the "not-a-nanny" would be taking the kids to the bus stop. It'll be the "not-a-nanny" only when it's Khate's turn with the kids, Jon will do the drop off when it's his. Can you imagine when winter arrives, the pile of snowsuits, hats, mitts...
She'll have NOTHING to do with that. Remember the commotion she made when they were dressing them up just to go out to play? She had the nerve (well true Khate behaviour)to pass them off to Jon because "I can't do the mitts, I can't do the boots...blah blah, whine whine..." Tell me how do all the teachers, daycare workers and OTHER parents of multiples do it?
She's just an all around lazy cow, might break one of her acrylic nails, you know! I still can't for the life of me understand how she thinks we all believe she's doing all the routine, mondane everday mother stuff? How can she possibly get those kids out the door with her hair done, full face of make-up and a different pair of heels every day? I call it bullshit!

ErinKate said...

I love the new pictures on ROL. Kate taking the kids out one by one and the only one she kisses is, Guess Who? Hannah. And the kid is not even out of the car yet so why the kiss? Of course, all for the people who always say Hannah is her favorite. Out of spite, that's all. Now you really know these pictures are a set up.

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