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MyLittleCat said...

This was talked about a while ago, sorry if someone already said.

Remember the sudden loss of Scott the camera man? I think he went to film the Duggar's. They mention him some in this clip at about 15 seconds. They are interviewing Jessa and they ask her about "Scott the camera man"

He seemed close to the Gosselin kids. I wonder if the old crew is worried about them or if they even cared at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTnqiFVzYa0

Joan10 said...

I am so disgusted with the way Kate is now being portrayed as a poor single mother struggling to raise 8 children. The tabloids, radaronline and the talk shows all seem to be jumping on the pity Kate tour. Whenever you see comments to any article the majority all feel sorry for Kate and bash Jon.

Most people don't remember how Kate was traveling all over months ago and Jon was home taking care of the kids. They don't realize that Kate loves traveling all over having first class accomdations and getting a break from the kids. She admitted it herself she loves the traveling. She has already started doing it again and I bet it will pick up as soon as the kids are back in school. We all thought Jon was weak and let Kate walk all over him. I still think he had no choice while the show was going on. We have seen Kates temper. I think everyone is afraid to cross Kate. I bet no one ever tells her no or refuses her anything.

As far as I am concerned there is nothing at this point that Kate can do to change my opinion of her. I don't care how many pictures I see of her kissing and hugging the kids, of picnics in front of the house, of her putting up a tent and so on it all seems fake and just done to keep the show going. Look at Kates latest stunt showing up at the house when she wasn't suppose to be there. Even though she made a scene people are siding with her and saying Jon is terrible for not letting her in. Again, she is the victim.

Jon is definitely making some wrong decisions now but to me they are equally responsible for this mess.

The question is will this PR stunt portraying Kate as the innocent victim be enough to keep the show going?

Pamela Jaye said...

I've been away, trying to watch a season full of DVDs (Gilmores, not Gosselins) before the library wanted them back, so I didn't get a chance till tonight to watch all of the Kate that's been piling up on the DVR.
Nothing like a heavy duty dose of Kate. And her comments about Kevin & Jodi (gag me with a spoon! what a liar)
Her kids are "just so friendly - they will make friends with anyone in 5 minutes!" (super. make sure you know who all those people they are "making friends" with are. there are some bad people these days)

I especially liked the piece on Extra (?) where Jon called the police (or whatever *really* happened) and Kate had to go stay at the Days Inn.

Of course she's all weepy. She used to have someone to boss around, to do all the work, to be the mommy, and to take all her abuse and put up with her crap. And now she doesn't. And what's worse - all of American knows about it.
Poor Kate. As my mother would say - you made your bed. (I love how she "can't remember" when Jon moved out. I can't forget when my husband moved out.)

Did her parents spoil her?

logic said...

The whole police thing is a PR stunt because the rating is dropping fast. Next week TLC will announce that Kate is going to address the police incident on the show, then there will be a lot of idiots/sheeple tuning in to watch. Then they will be disappointed not much was going on.

Jon and Kate are playing you guys, hard. And laugh all the way to the bank.

Sugarpop said...

Joan10, I have had the same thoughts - when Jon was home being the main caregiver for the kids (albeit with the help of babysitters etc) no one was jumping up shouting what a great dad he was. Now that Kate has spent a few weeks off and on with them people are patting her on the back for being such a brave single mom! But Jon was essentially a single dad during all that time she was traveling on the book tours!

And I also read somewhere that Kate or Jon mentioned that her going to North Carolina was Kate's "first turn" with the kids. I take that to mean the first time since they split...but that was at the end of May and the divorce papers weren't filed til the end of June, right? Maybe it was misinformation but if not, then it's yet another example of their lies.

I have a question for anyone who watched the kitchen remodel episode - it was mentioned Kate was wearing the green babydoll dress in that episode when it was supposedly January. Although it seems unusual that she'd be wearing a summer dress in January, it's not unheard of...I sometimes wear shorts and a tshirt around home in the winter. I was curious if the kids were wearing winter clothes, though. Anyone notice?

mom of 4 said...

Dating Hailey and hanging out with people Kate doesn't like, Jon is doing all that to anger Kate. I think that's fine. He was abused and abandoned by his wife. He is angry. That's not a bad way to release his anger.

Have you seen those angry women did to their abusive husbands? Some physically harmed their husbands and got away with it. They got light sentence or almost nothing at all because they were abused. How is that fair those women could get away with being violent and Jon has to be crucified for his choices of clothes and friends to anger Kate? That's hypocrisy.

It's not like Jon brought a criminal home. You will be crazy to think Jon is really going to make Haily a stepmother like the tabloid says. After all the abuse and bad memory from the previous marriage, Jon will not be that dumb to get married again. You have to use force to make him say yes. It will take years for him to recover and start thinking about getting married again. He is just trying to make Kate angry and give Hailey some spotlight. Big deal.

You are very naive if you think the party girl Haily or the former bar waitress/model wannabe babysitter are more dangerous to the kids than other people Kate let in the property. How many times have we seen those child molesters/abusers are actually quiet normal people? The TLC production crew members, bodyguards, and all the people working on sets are not any safer. Kids should NEVER be exposed to so many strangers / coworkers. If the kids are not under the watchful eye of a responsible adult, they can easily get abused.

TLC is lame said...

What did I learn from TLC? Let's see.

1. Do get rid of your relatives when you find richer friends to use.

2. Break up with your husband when you find a new man.

3. Always repeat "I did it for my kids. It's all for my kids." to brainwash people. After you say it 100 times, they will get hypnotized and believe it.

4. Always mention God. They will give you money and believe everything you say.

5. Always pretend you are a victim that your husband did you wrong. In fact, you fired him first.

6. Getting a boob job is essential.

7. Mimic Hollywood stars to go to Starbucks almost everyday.

The main reason LA people go to Starbucks often is because it's always 100 degrees even in winter. There's a Starbucks every 3 blocks. There's more Starbucks than fast food joints. But in PA, dorky Jon and Kate have to drive all the way to Starbucks just to be trendy.

grannyoftwo said...

Radar posted on Friday that the paps reported to them that the police cleared the way for Kate to get from the first hotel to the second one she supposedly stayed at until she came home Friday, ( if indeed it was a hotel at all)If i lived in PA. I would be furious about my hard earned taxpayer money going to the police who are paid to serve and protect everyone's rights, not just Kate's rihgts. Do the paps not have rights too? That is their jobs Kate, remember what jobs are? Real "honest" to goodness jobs. I don't always agree with what the paps do myself, but they are working and are doing what they can to feed their children too. I would just like to know if any laws were broken for her during this escapade. How far can the police go to keep the paps away if she doesn't have any kind of court order? They went so far as to block them into the parking lot across the road to keep them away and shielded her from them. Is that the job of the police force? I thought that had to come from your own private security, that you paid for out of your own pocket. Someone who lives in the area, and has a vested interest in paying taxes in the state should get right on it and start making the proper calls about this nonsense.Would we be treated the same? I think not. And while the police were keeping the paps at bay, queen Kate was driving very recklessly down a major highway with her lights off! Why did they not see this? The paps saw it, if the police were trying to keep them away, they had to have seen it too. Why was nothing done about it? I am very angry about this behavior of a segment of the government that is set aside to be equal to all the people, and help everyone, including those who could have been killed by this crazy woman's driving.

enoughalready said...

HOnestly - I believe its all a sham. Its all a ratings exercise. I hope it backfires to the max. I hope lesser and lesser people watch until it sinks to way below the original first program viewership - less than 100,000.

If they had such a fight whereby cops were called in - how in tarnation can they have a "get together" the next day in what appears to be a "lovely soothing over discussion"

These two are a joke. How pathetic - how desperate are they?

grannyoftwo said...

Thank you for your email. It is good to hear from other people who are concerned about the treatment of the Gosselin children.

I will put an update on our website whenever we have further news or information www.abusewatch.net

Keep in touch,

Best regards,

Evin


This is the response letter I received from the abusewatch people. I sent them a letter thanking them for taking a stand for the Gosselin children. I think they need to see they have our support.

readerlady said...

@ sugarpop - Kate and the kids were in N. Ca. over the Memorial Day holiday, so the kitchen remodel was done in late May/early June, not in January.

So some people still think Kate's a great mom, hunh? Not in my book. A great mom doesn't pimp her kids out. A great mom doesn't deny a thirsty child water except under extraordinary circumstances (like medical reasons, before surgery, etc.). A great mom tries to work things out in her marriage before calling it quits. A great mom teaches her children, by example, how to be gracious, polite, and generous. A great mom doesn't treat the father of her children with contempt and violence. A great mom reads to her children on a daily basis. A great mom prepares (or serves) hot meals (well, most of the time, anyway) to her children, on real plates and using real utensils, then sits down and ACTUALLY EATS WITH THEM - teaching them table manners in the process. A great mom puts her children's needs before her own. If anyone still thinks Kate is a great mom, I have some swampland in Arizona they might be interested in.

New gate said...

You could call the incident of Kate getting turned away at the front gate by Jon "Kategate"

Jill said...

Something is Not Right said...
Wait a minute, this just hit me. In the newest video today of J & K after the fight you see the gate swing open & Kate drives in. OK, she could open the gate today, why couldn't she last night. Sure Jon could have did something to it I guess. But this is what I just noticed. The parazzi were on the other side of the gate filming so they were in the yard ahead of Kate & the gate. Doesn't this seem suspicious. I think this is all a sick set up now.

ITA something is fishy. If this dust-up with the police really happened just outside the Konpound in the early evening, there would definitely be video or pictures of it, but not a thing.

Riley said...

I am so sick of seeing Kate on TV doing interviews. I did however LOVE Regis for going off course and asking some weird questions. LOL I truly think Jon AND Kate think the American people are stupid. Jon last week on the show 'I've always like fast cars and being wild' HUH? If you have the realist reality show out there we would have seen that. The 'new can do attitude. I have do do things by myself now' HUH? If you had only done the one hour special after the kids were born MAYBE we would believe you. Now? You are just insulting my intelligence. The laughable part is I think they both think by the 'P" people following them they have trully 'made it' um sure. They talk about them following them all the time but when they show the 'P' people there are only 3 people taking pictures. Hardly celebrities if only 3 people are following you.Neither one of them can carry this show by themselves. She needs some new PR people because we're not buying what your seeling Kate. Call someone to do a REAL interview air your flaws, we know you have them you're not perfect like you think we think you are. We've watched the show and since it is the realist reality show you can't fool us. This show will be off the air next month HOPEFULL!

kate is a cocky bitch said...

In case anyone's interested, this is the hotel QFI spent the night after being thrown out
http://www.daysinn.com/DaysInn/control/Booking/check_avail?areaCode=&brandCode=DI,HJ,TL,RA,KG,SE,BU,BH,MT&searchWithinMiles=50&areaType=1&destination=Wernersville&state=PA&country=US&checkInDate=08/15&numberAdults=1&numberRooms=1&checkOutDate=08/16&numberChildren=0&numberBigChildren=0&rate=000&useWRPoints=false&variant=&id=01616&propBrandId=DI&force_nostay=false&tab=tab1

I suspect it's because she wasn't able to mooch a first-class freebie from whomever will listen to her sob stories, so she had to use her own money. What a shocker!!


On a totally different topic, this morning I was watching QVC and they were selling some hair products. Anyway all of the hairstyles were done like Kate's. WTF!??

mom-of-one said...

I have a question, has anyone noticed how often Khate goes to FedEx/Kinko's? It seems like every time they "report" her running her mundane errands, that she is getting coffee and swinging by the Kinko's. Does she not have a fax machine in her house? Is she sending papers to TLC? A lawyer? Just seems odd.

And, just had to comment on the DD coffee - is she trying to save money by going with less expensive choice? hehehe. I prefer DD to starbux anyday but I thought that was funny.

Remy said...

Sugarpop said...

I have a question for anyone who watched the kitchen remodel episode - it was mentioned Kate was wearing the green babydoll dress in that episode when it was supposedly January.

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Khate was wearing a black sirt, fuscia colored jacket and jeans for the kitchen reveal. She was wearing a tangerine colored baby doll dress for her sit down interview.

taxesstink said...

Way back when someone mentioned taxes on a 1.3 million dollar house...well their house is only appraised under 450,000....it also seems as if they are classified as a "farm"...why? they have NO animals,(the property did have horses they're gone now) and they don't "grow" anything.

Why are they getting a break on property taxes?

Dr G, retired child psychologist said...

I still think that J & K are laughing all the way to the bank. We do not know what is real and what is not, and Kate has admitted that. However, we DO know that they are not stopping the show, and that they are making a lot of money. They are apparently willing to put up with whatever collateral damage (public scorn, lack of privacy, mental health challenges for their children, etc.) goes along with this in order to achieve their goal of continuing the show and making money.

People are entitled to make their own mistakes. It is apparent that J & K are doing this, and have found supporters. However, when is the line crossed?

What are the laws that pertain here? Have any of them been broken (Department of Labor, Department of Children and Family Services)? What new legislation needs to be enacted to protect these children and others who may find themselves in similar circumstances in the entertainment industry>

MBach said...

I thought it was funny to see a picture of kate/Hate and her best bud Steve coming out of the Essex Hotel. The shot had them walking about 2 feet apart, and behind them you could see
SEX
TEL
on the hotel sign behind them.

I DO NOT go to any website with picutres or stories about the Gosselins, I DO NOT watch the show. I saw the picture on a friend's computer. She said I would get a kick out of a picture she found, and I did laugh. However, I told her my choice is to not go to anything Gosselin, because TLC is out there counting anything they can to keep the "show that is their life" on the air.

Please everyone, DO NOT WATCH!

just wondering said...

No wonder Kate needs to have Steve with her at all times. See what happens to her when he's not around to keep her in check?

Manic meltdown is what I see. Can't control herself.

C'villeGa mom said...

It seems that whoever is in the news front, the other one takes the blame for everything. Right now its seems to be all about Kate, and Jon is taking the blame. Then it will be Jon's turn, and Kate will take the blame. People seem to forget quickly, but these two are equally to blame for everything that is going on. It is not a question of who is the better parent, both need parenting classes. The problem is that their love of money and fame comes before the kids. They have no family due to their choices, all which have had to do with money. There is no way either of them can say that this is not true. J&K can say all the right things to make viewers think that are doing what is best for the kids. But they do not walk the talk, so their words are meaningless.

realitybites said...

Most people don't remember how Kate was traveling all over months ago and Jon was home taking care of the kids.

Where was Kate's concern over who who he was bringing to the Konpound when Jon was at home with the children and she was gone for 30+ days jetting setting across country doing appearances and bookings? Per their own admission, the J & K marriage was in trouble long before (Oct '08) and during the time Kate spent 30 + days AWAY from her children. It is only NOW that Kate has returned to the Konpound after a 30+ day extended leave of absence from her children does she feel the need to play 'mommy' for the cameras and throws a temper tantrum about Jon's 'choice' in babysitters.

Catch another lie said...

I think I read a while back (I live locally to them) that there were kitchen delivery trucks at the Konpound in May. So no, she didn't wear the green babydoll dress in the winter. She went to NC with the kids alone after they decided to split, so they are splicing the film together to make it look as thought it was all at one time, it wasn't.

Ms.Peach said...

Sugarpop said...
I have a question for anyone who watched the kitchen remodel episode - it was mentioned Kate was wearing the green babydoll dress in that episode when it was supposedly January. Although it seems unusual that she'd be wearing a summer dress in January, it's not unheard of
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Didn't watch but caught clips on BM's site. The green baby doll dress was not worn in the winter. The way the show was edited made you think the kitchen rehab took place at one time, but actually the cabinet people were there in Jan. (I think) just to come up with a plan, then the rehab happened in May (thus the green baby doll dress which she wore during the cook out, so all that was filmed at the same time). It was confusing because Jon said that although they were having problems they decided to proceed with the kitchen redo, so it made it sound like they were separating (which in reality they already had, but it wasn't public until June). BOTTOM LINE---THE SHOWS ARE PIECED TOGETHER. We can figure out the actual timeline with pap pictures and stories. Also, the kids run around the house all the time in bare feet even in winter. In fact, there was a clip of the kids playing with some Litebrite toy in another room. The clip made it look like this was happening while Jon and Kate were in the kitchen discussing the cabinet plan, but the kids were dressed in summer clothes and bare feet. Obviously, that scene was filmed in May as was Kate in the green babydoll dress.

Ohio Buckeye said...

JustWondering said....
Yes, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Steve, aka The BodyGuard, brings with him at all times a tranquilizer dart gun and straight jacket for K8's inevitable spin completely out of control. Wait for it - we have not yet seen the worst of Katie Irene.

Abacus said...

It is not a question of who is the better parent, both need parenting classes. The problem is that their love of money and fame comes before the kids.

I love it. Here's some irony. I got a warning on Television Without Pity about 18 months ago for posting almost that exact statement.

Chione said...

Dr G, retired child psychologist said...

What are the laws that pertain here? Have any of them been broken (Department of Labor, Department of Children and Family Services)? What new legislation needs to be enacted to protect these children and others who may find themselves in similar circumstances in the entertainment industry>

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As far as I know, Pennsylvania does not have any laws that specifically protect children working in the entertainment industry (like they do in California).

I thought I heard on here somewhere that the PA Labor Dept. was going to look into it, but I could just be pulling that out of my butt, don't quote me on that haha ;P

Then again PA's workers were unpaid due to budget balancing issues, so who knows if the state will ever address this important issue?

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Why in the world did Kate call 911? Her situation was not an emergency. Just because Jon wouldn't let her in the gate was no reason to call 911. I hope that the police let Kate know that by calling 911, it was the wrong thing to do.

Joan10 said...

taxesstink said...
Way back when someone mentioned taxes on a 1.3 million dollar house...well their house is only appraised under 450,000....it also seems as if they are classified as a "farm"...why? they have NO animals,(the property did have horses they're gone now) and they don't "grow" anything.

Why are they getting a break on property taxes?

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You are right about the assessment. Here in Berks County when a house is sold they do not do a re-assessment at that time.

Even though the Gosselins paid $1,120,000 for the home it is still assessed at what was probably the assessed value when it was built. In other words they are paying taxes on $482,900 not the $1.1 million.

Also, it is listed as being in the "Clean and Green" program which is a program to try and get people to preserve land and hopefully keep developers from building. (I assume the previous owners set this up?) I believe if you qualify for this program you get additional tax breaks.

It appears they are paying taxes on half of what they paid for the house plus get additional tax breaks through the program.

I am not an expert and just stating what I know from living in the area and reading local websites.

ajb-in reading pa said...

if you go on to zillow.com you can see that they paid 13,000 in taxes in 2009

Not a fan of either said...

I read that not only did she get the police to escort her (in their cars) from the first hotel, she also got them to carry her suitcases to her vehicle! If that is true and if I lived in that town, I would not be happy. I guess they were just being "gentlemen" and I'm sure she did not order them to carry her luggage.....

Disgusted said...

Ladies and gentlemen: Might I suggest you watch the video on radaronline.com. The DOGS tell us the story even more than the kids' body language. WHen Jon drives off, the DOGS are chasing him in the car and CRYING to him! They know the witch is back and she's going to lock them up and away in a tiny cage, and yell and scream at the very least. When even the dogs are afraid of her and don't want to be around her, why should the kids be forced to be with her. SO SO SO SO freakin sad!

kelly said...

3rs rock saya "Why in the world did Kate call 911? Her situation was not an emergency. Just because Jon wouldn't let her in the gate was no reason to call 911. I hope that the police let Kate know that by calling 911, it was the wrong thing to do."

I read that she didn't call 911. She called a "non emergency number" which she probably has programmed into her cell phone. She called again at 4 am to clear the parking lot of paps so she could leave the hotel. Miss Kate obviously thinks of the police department as an extension of her own personal security staff. As she did with her babies, she has no qualms about spending tax dollars for her own paranoid needs. Entitlement thy name is Kate Gosselin!

Sugarpop said...

Thanks for the info about the timing of scenes on the kitchen remodel episode. Sounds likeTLC is still scrambling to get 15 min of decent footage out of 8 hours of filming!

And I'm glad I got some laughs from my earlier comment...that whole situation was so bizarre when Kate first said that about the kids not being allowed in her room...I guess maybe it is true that what goes around comes around!

Im_in_PR said...

am so disgusted with the way Kate is now being portrayed as a poor single mother struggling to raise 8 children. The tabloids, radaronline and the talk shows all seem to be jumping on the pity Kate tour. Whenever you see comments to any article the majority all feel sorry for Kate and bash Jon.

It's a PR. The networks will agree to the terms of the interview presented by Kate's PR team so that they can get her on, because they know, trainwreck or not, she is a ratings draw.
Most of what some would call journalism is in fact driven by PR professionals.

PaLisa said...

Remember the sudden loss of Scott the camera man? I think he went to film the Duggar's. They mention him some in this clip at about 15 seconds. They are interviewing Jessa and they ask her about "Scott the camera man"

He seemed close to the Gosselin kids. I wonder if the old crew is worried about them or if they even cared at all...

If Scott or anyone cared for those kids I would think they would speak up. Think of all the people that are around them and not a one has said boo about anything. Makes me wonder just how much money it takes to keep quiet. I hope it doesn't take a tragedy for the truth to finally come out

Camping Discrepancies... said...

I watched the camping episode on YouTube (not TLC's....just a youtuber....which I would highly recommend! that way, you're not giving The no-so Learning Channel any ratings and you get to skip the sponsors/commercial AND it's faster to watch. I watch to see what unbelievably exploitative thing they're doing next).

Okay, that said, Kate in NO WAY put up the tent that the kids slept in.
Throughout the entire episode, you could see a fleet of production assistants setting up the big tent in the background.

TLC has HORRIBLE editing. They made some attempt to "cover up" this fact, but it was clearly visible in a variety of shots where K8 was blah, blahing about "going it alone" (LYING).

Then, they actually showed them hauling the constructed tent from the far side of the backyard by the treeline....to right up by the house.

I just cannot get over how insulting TLC and K8/Hate are!
How stupid do they really think people are?
we are NOT stupid!!
It is all soooo blatantly obvious - I'm sooo sick of their LYING.
It's beyond disgusting.

I do NOT watch anything anymore on TLC. And it's sad, because I did like shows such as "what not to wear" but have TOTALLY lost interest.
Will NEVER, and I really mean NEVER watch TLC ever again.
Just not worth it and they have really taken exploitation and the ruination of little lives to levels I could have never imagined.

I hope TLC goes down in flames.

Ann said...

School has started here in Utah and I was standing at the bike rack talking to a few moms. 3 of the mom have 8+ kids. The thought of needing a full time nanny and baby sitters for the gosselin 8 gave them quite a laugh. Having 6 kids the same age under 3 might be very hard but it should be becoming easier, actually much easier then having 8 spread out over 10-12 years. Six 5 years old have with the same age toys, can be amused be the same movies and activites. The moms I talked with having 6 kids that are age infant to 7-8 is much harder and need the extra supervision, keeping small toys bigger kids play with away from infants/toddlers, keeping them entertained and safe being at different developemental stages.
It was also in agreement that having a large family would have been easier in the old E-town neighborhood. We live in a that kind of neighborhood 1/3 acre lots, we can watch out the window our kids playing in cul-de-sacs, we know our neighbors, kids walk to school together, we have picnics, which makes raising large families easier. The other big factor is Jon & Kate not having family invovled. Having to pay people instead of having family around (unless family has "real" problems and should not be around kids) is so much better.

I'm not saying 8 kids is not hard but I think one parent and one nanny should be enough. Now that the kids are in school if they really need help, what they really need is a house manager (saw it on wife swap), someone that organizes schedules/activites (if the kids ever get to play sports), might help with getting the kids out the door for school, plans meals and grocery shopping. A parent Jon or Kate should then be able to have plenty of free time to spend 4-8pm with the kids after school before bed without needing 2 or 3 people to help. If you can't handle your kids that are all over 5 by yourself for a few hours, you are not being a parent. I'm not saying an occassional babysitter is wrong, everyone needs a some down time, but everyday 2+ babysitters for school aged kids with parents without real careers is wrong to me.

PaLisa said...

New pics on radar of Kate having a picnic with the kids. In the driveway of all places. And it is hot in PA today. But she hates the paps. I still can't believe anybody would believe the crap that comes out of her mouth

MomofFour said...

Regarding Scott the camera man...he did go to the Duggars. He's very religious and I believe he took his family down there to for a Christmas episode or religious thing going on. It was on one of the Duggar episodes. I love the Duggars. That's a family that has stuck to the truth and they do generous good things with their money and they live a very modest life. I think the Roloffs have a good message too. I've learned a lot about dwarfism watching their show. At least those two shows honestly promote good things for families..unlike the Gosselins who are ruining their children's lives.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Just a thought

Why can't Jon/Kate build a house on the land but far enough away from the main house so that whatever parent there is has their privacy?

Tink said...

"New pics on radar of Kate having a picnic with the kids. In the driveway of all places. And it is hot in PA today"
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I thought in one of the pictures I saw of the pool it looked like there was a nice shady patio area right at the back of the house. Why in the world on a very hot humid day would she have the kids sitting out in the driveway in the hot sun to eat.

There doesn't seem to be any logical explanation other than to put on a show for the photographers.

LMAO said...

Had my laugh of the day today. I was looking a Radaronline and there was something about TLC being unhappy with Jon (wonder why, smirk...). Anyway, they said that as policy they are now going to blur out any logos on his shirts because (GET THIS) they feel that he is using them!!! I couldn't stop laughing.

qtrfan said...

Regarding the green dress, if you watch the kitchen episode, it clearly states on the screen "January, 2009" with Kate in the green babydoll dress. So Ms. Peach is correct - these shows are pieced together. Apparently TLC doesn't care if it makes sense or not.

I Live in LA said...

TLC is lame said...

The main reason LA people go to Starbucks often is because it's always 100 degrees even in winter. There's a Starbucks every 3 blocks. There's more Starbucks than fast food joints. But in PA, dorky Jon and Kate have to drive all the way to Starbucks just to be trendy.

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Funny, I've lived in LA my entire life and not once do I recall experiencing 100 degree heat in winter. And I almost never go to Starbucks.

peach said...

What do you do when TLC owns you?

Jon has a slave contract with TLC. TLC can cancel his TV interview and decide when he can talk. TLC makesJon look like a bad guy on the show and portraits Kate as the victim.

TLC makes affiliated media outlets portrait Jon as the major jerk and Kate as the struggling single mother. Some gossip blogs moderate the comments by posting more pro Kate comments and anti Jon comments. Only a few anti Kate comments are posted to pretend it's fair and balanced. My anti Kate comment was deleted several times by one gossip blog. Please! Who are they trying to fool?!!!

Jon is dealing with a media giant. What do you do when the media giant owns your image and everything else? You rebel, of course. He does things to push Kate's button and make TLC people scramble to spin. He cracks the perfect Gosselin family people image to annoy Kate and gives TLC producers more works on how to explain that one.

Hailey and Kate 2.0 are his helpers to shake things up. The girls get their 15 minutes of fame they want. Jon gets to mess with Kate and TLC.

After 10 years abuse by Kate, Jon knows women's bad side well. He will not marry either one of the girls. He is just screwing TLC and Kate.

He is not abusive toward the kids like Kate. He has enough bounding with his children. When they grow up, he can explain this one to them. They will understand his rebellion and forgive him.

TLC can cancel his appearance and, gag him, and script him all they want. They can't make him take off his funny T-shirt and earrings. They can't make him drive a Toyota. They can't tell him whom to date. Jon is finding loopholes in his slave contract to revenge.

Psudo picnic here said...

Its 90 degrees in the sun here in Pa. today and Kate has them all out baking in the sun when she has a beautiful shaded backyard. I think she's just lazy and doesn't want to carry things down to the lower level which is out back.
I DID see however, that her picnic AGAIN, consisted of cut up cantelope, grapes, juicyjuice boxes and some crunchy crap. WHERE are the burgers, dogs and baked beans?? She calls this a picnic? For WHO rabbits?

Just Kate and Hannah said...

I think the tup that Kate picked up,and the child that wrapped her legs around Kate (the only one who ran to her, by the way) was her ever loving Hannah. (Hannah is taller then the other tups) and the twins are far to big to pick up like that. What a surprise, Hannah again.

justcheckin' said...

Hannah isn't that tall! I believe it was Mady who Kate picked up. And I thought she very warmly greeted all the kids. JMO, you may choose to disagree, I really don't mind.

Krista said...

Jon is a 'slave' to his TLC contract? Please. Contract or not, if he truly cared about his kids well being he would have stopped playing along with this gongshow and started to protect his kids. It was not just TLC that Jon was in conflict with about doing an interview..I think it is really stretching it to make Jon out as being under some kind of gag order. He is playing the role he plays so well, and in the end it is all about the $$$$$$$$.

katrinac said...

I'm sorry - but I cannot even imagine why that picnic table is in that location. I saw it in one of the earlier videos - when J&K were trading off - and I thought - why the hell do they have a picnic table on the driveway?

Well - it's obviously there so the paps have a clear view of Kate "playing" mommy.

Look at the kids. Do any of them look like they're having fun? There are ACRES of land surrounding that house. The pool is secluded, the back patio is secluded. There is certainly plenty of space to set up a picnic table IN SECLUSION.

It just makes me sick to see the way she puts the kids on display for the paps.

And don't think for a second that the kids don't know what's going on. Jon and Kate should be SO proud. They are on the Today Show, GMA, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Howard Stern....You name the outlet - they're on it.

And not because they are great parents - oh no. It's because they are the biggest assholes on the planet. They were given every opportunity - but that still could not stop them from being the money-grubbing trash that they are.

I feel tremendously sorry for those kids. I'm sure it's already hard to be a tup. And then throw in their nightmare parents. And the cameras. And the tabloids. And all of the attention that results from their parents' inability to provide them with a normal upbringing.

I'm guessing that not one of these kids is going to grow up and be grateful for all of the so-called "memories" Kate thinks she's creating.

They are going to grow up with no idea how to make friends, or have normal relationships - or even how to live their lives without a camera in their faces. So sad.

MirandaB2008 said...

several have mentioned having the picnic out on the front driveway area. What is so compelling about ' driveways' for this woman?
back at the Old House? it was a convenient area for the kids to play and ride trikes etc but out where they are now? they are surrounded by beautiful grassy areas? and yes! BEHIND the house where there would obviously be more 'privacy' AWAY from paparazzi camera people.......
In the Episode where they announce they are separating? they have a BBQ out on a very nice Patio area/ what's wrong with going there for the picnic?
I don't understand how her mind works *sigh*

Tess said...

On the reality contract - I did a little research. Not much, but I found this interesting - and also the links to other articles discussing the contents of reality contracts. There might be somethign to the 'slave contract'. Perhaps someone here with a legal background can shed more light on the subject.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/contractsprof_blog/2005/11/reality_tv_show.html

All I know is my heart is breaking for the kids - just awful - all of it.

whatever said...

Um, Camping Discrepencies: Kate said on the show that she only set up the little tent and the production crew set up the other one. She said that she wanted to be able to say she set up "a" tent...and she did.

Faithful Poster said...

MirandaB2008,

I so agree with you on the location of those meger lunches/picnics that Kate throws together.

When it showed K/J having the BBQ it looked as if it was in the back and there was a canopy or roofing.

That looks alot more comfortable if you ask me. It blocks out the sun and maybe the wind.

Well we all know that the only reason that Kate feeds the kids our front is so that it can be caught on film so that she looks like she is a good mother.

To me she looks just like trash and oh yeah...Can I PLEASE throw water on her now?

Miss Brown Betti said...

katrinic said:
And not because they are great parents-oh no. It's because they are the biggest ass holes on the planet. They were given every opportunity but that still could not stop them from being the money-grubbing trash that they are.
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BRAVO KATRINIC!
That sums up Jon and Kate to a T.

L.A. Native Here; ILuvLA! said...

I Live in LA said...
TLC is lame said...

The main reason LA people go to Starbucks often is because it's always 100 degrees even in winter. There's a Starbucks every 3 blocks. There's more Starbucks than fast food joints. But in PA, dorky Jon and Kate have to drive all the way to Starbucks just to be trendy.

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Funny, I've lived in LA my entire life and not once do I recall experiencing 100 degree heat in winter. And I almost never go to Starbucks.
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C'mon you guys...a little tongue-in-cheek about it being 100 degrees in winter; simply meaning (my take, anyway) that SoCal is a fairly temperate climate year'round as opposed to East Coast snowy winters like we've seen on previous episodes of J&K+8. We had a big heatwave, wasn't it just in April, when we'd hoped for more rain? It's been so hot sometimes on Christmas that we couldn't put a turkey in the oven; that's the truth. I would try to ride my new bike against the hot Santa Ana winds on Christmas Day.

Where I live in SoCal, there are 'way too many Starbucks; we have two in the same shopping center, which is just crazy, because the suburb only has about 60,000 people; it's not that big of a city to warrant so many Starbucks! We who are against paving over paradise and putting up parking lots will use Starbucks as an example of urban development, not wanting "a Starbucks on every corner."

The reason I don't go to Starbucks is because the stuff I want to order from Starbucks is laden with too many calories and it's a very expensive habit I don't want to get into with my budget in a bad economy. Kate probably doesn't need to watch the calories like I do and she's a millionaire; she and Jon have become big spenders.

I don't like Kate one bit but maybe Starbucks is her comfort food. In early episodes of the reality series, coffee was also a necessary "food" for her, at least in the mornings.

Let's get back to the subject of child exploitation in reality TV. Or exploitation by their own parents. Or just how safe eight children and two dogs are when there are two anger-crazed, warring parents who are the authority figures and decision-makers. The innocents need an angel keeping close watch right now.

Old Hippy said...

It was Mady that Kate picked up and hugged. I too was surprised but happy for Mady that she was shown some love.

I feel that all the kids get more excited when Jon comes home.

Did you hear as Jon drove away one of the children said "Bye daddy"

So very sad

Diff Strokes For Diff Folks said...

MirandaB2008 said...
several have mentioned having the picnic out on the front driveway area. What is so compelling about ' driveways' for this woman?
back at the Old House? it was a convenient area for the kids to play and ride trikes etc but out where they are now? they are surrounded by beautiful grassy areas? and yes! BEHIND the house where there would obviously be more 'privacy' AWAY from paparazzi camera people.......
In the Episode where they announce they are separating? they have a BBQ out on a very nice Patio area/ what's wrong with going there for the picnic?
I don't understand how her mind works *sigh*
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This is just an observation, very generalized, but I live in southern California and most people live in their backyards with patios (and a pool, if they're lucky). Neighborhoods sometimes look deserted because the days of early 20th century with front porches to watch the world go by went away when neighborhoods experiencing nice weather all year graduated to maybe an enclosed lanai or patio area in a more private way off the street. There have been articles about how SoCal folks wall themselves off and keep to themselves...a lot of fences and staking our your territory. I visited Ohio once and I couldn't believe how nobody's backyards were enclosed, like how do you contain a pet dog, just keep 'em tied to a tree all day long?

Anyway, I think the always-playing-in-the-front-and-on-the-driveway is weird also. We have a family in our neighborhood who moved from Missouri with a showplace backyard put in by the former owner. They never go back there. They turned their garage into a game room/billiards with a TV, they made the driveway into a bike ramp for the kids to use (like an obstacle course), they took out the grass to make a deck with chairs right up against the sidewalk, and they have about four vehicles that are always parked on the street. Nobody else in the neighborhood lives like that at all. It must just be about how you've lived, where you've lived, whether or not you like privacy...or how much you want people to look at you.

rosie said...

Those kids will grow up being grateful or appreciative of NOTHING. To have SO much, yet SO little.

Ohio Buckeye said...

MirandaB2008 - good point. If K8 is going to spend the bulk of her kid-time in the driveway, why bother moving to the mansion? Might as well have just stayed in ETown - the driveway there seemed to work out just fine.

I think the whole mansion thing spelled the beginning of the end for this show that portrays itself as 'the realest reality show' - as if it is about regular folk. Hard to consider J&K middle class now that they've bought an acred mansion and are blowing thru the bucks on new wardrobes, mani- and pedi-cures, and, of course, a constant diet of cell phones and Starbucks. Last time I checked, Starbucks didn't accept COUPONS nor do they offer organic - this whole show is one giant crock of crap.

EdelweissFjords said...

Okay, that said, Kate in NO WAY put up the tent that the kids slept in.
Throughout the entire episode, you could see a fleet of production assistants setting up the big tent in the background.

TLC has HORRIBLE editing. They made some attempt to "cover up" this fact, but it was clearly visible in a variety of shots where K8 was blah, blahing about "going it alone" (LYING).

Then, they actually showed them hauling the constructed tent from the far side of the backyard by the treeline....to right up by the house.>>>>

Kate stated that the production people set up the tent.

Jon's Secret Solution said...

peach said, "Jon is finding loopholes in his slave contract to revenge."
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I found your comments very interesting and precise. I've wondered for awhile now, with his (what seems like) out-of-character behavior (although as viewers we can only judge from what we'd seen on camera as to his personality) if he'd gotten good advice from a lawyer or whomever as to how to blow to bits his leash of the show. He knows everywhere he goes now, paps are sure to follow, so I've pondered if he deliberately does the most exaggerated thing. I've also chewed on the spending-wildly scenario if it's his last fling with money before settling down to "normal" life although it, too, makes for good tabloid fodder in perhaps his quest to sink the ship.

If memory serves me, he had talked on camera for the reality series about not being happy for job loss, as if he'd like a more traditional role. I sort of know where he might be coming from as, after 25 years of nonstop working outside the home, I took a break which turned into a long-long-longer break and while, at first, the freedom is nice, and even if you're not hurting for money like him, and even if you're doing good stay-home work like caring for children or an elderly parent, it depends on the person but you CAN feel somewhat adrift in terms of identity after years of getting some of that identity from a workplace and career. Personally, I find I need something more. Some people need multiple things to define them. It may well be that Jon is kicking the cans and having one last sow-the-oats/watch-me-party time because he knows his life is going to quiet down and get very serious sooner than later. For all that we think Jon is behaving like one big donkey, he could be smarter than we think and has found his own way TO GET his way in the long run. I'm not sure...just throwing out thoughts.

They Could Convert The Horse Barn said...

Tangerine Tanya said...
Just a thought

Why can't Jon/Kate build a house on the land but far enough away from the main house so that whatever parent there is has their privacy?
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Good point. They've got the money to build a modest granny flat/guest house. Barbra Streisand had a good-sized acreage in Malibu on the hill/canyon side of Pacific Coast Highway, not the beach side, and she had several houses on it, clustered, all with a different theme...like one was sort of woodland/storybook, one was all art deco, etc. I believe she donated all of it to a conservancy; I took a tour. I think on one of Brad Pitt's properties, he also has multiple buildings. I shouldn't be comparing a Jon & Kate to a Streisand or Brad Pitt as they're not anywhere near those kinds of A-listers but, still, Jon and Kate could make a workable solution for themselves that, in the end, would be cost-effective and more convenient for themselves and their children. However, rumors run amok and it's been posted here that the mansion could be up for sale and also otherwise owned by some entity other than J&K, such as TLC.

Punkin2448 said...

You know, I was thinking about how Kate is being interviewed all over the place and I've also seen many articles about how she "cries" over every little thing. But no one ever sees any tears.

I have the perfect solution. Kate, if you're reading this, here's a suggestion.

Whenever my ex-husband would get upset about things and want to really make his point clear to me, he'd poke himself in the eye over and over until he could produce some tears! It was amazing to see!

Now of course with you, you don't want anyone to see you poking yourself, so make sure you cover it up with the Kleenex they hand you when you are pretending to choke up, then it will work perfectly and everyone will have more sympathy for you, because they'll SEE TEARS!!!

Another trick he used was to rub his eyes really really hard and that would sometimes do the trick, too.

One thing I suggested to him (when neither of these actions produced the sympathy he was trying to get) was to take a small piece of sand (or a sewing needle) and rub that around in his eye a while. Or just leave it in the corner of his eye. That would give him tears for hours if he worked it right.

For some reason he didn't like that idea. Guess he just wasn't willing to go the extra mile for the attention he sought.

Go for it Kate! Practice at home in front of the mirror! Or at the Days Inn! I'm sure you know where all the mirrors in PA are located!

Kiki said...

I'm not convinced Jon is trying to sleaze his way out of his TLC contract. There's no evidence Jon has ever set a goal and executed a plan to achieve it. (Perhaps other than taking a 6 week MS Office course).

This is a guy who went from his mommy to his wife-mommy. I attribute Jon's misbehavior to three things: emotions, hormones and money.

Jon is free of Kate so his spirits have been lifted for the first time in a decade. His D-list celebrity status makes him a hot commodity with young attention-seeking women like Hailey and Kate 2.0, so he's letting his hormones run wild. Finally, he has his own money for the first time in his life.

These things I think better account for his behavior than a master plan to get out of his TLC contract.

I'll watch nothing said...

This coming Monday's show sounds like another BIG boring 1/2 hour.
"Kate takes the boys to see a ship and Kate takes boys for haircut." Please, kill me NOW. I'd sooner watch NOTHING.

Hannah W. said...

And people think Britney Spears does a bad job parenting ...

I'm just waiting to hear this " On January 3 Spears had a meltdown when she was to return her sons to their father and had to be placed on a mental evaluation hold. " only with the name Kate Gosselin...these poor kids, I get the feeling their parents would act the way the way they do with or without the cameras, unfortunately.

Eden said...

Seriously - WHY IS KATE FAMOUS AND SEEN AS AN INSPIRATION TO MOMS AND HOUSEWIVES EVERYWHERE? For birthing 6 babies in her tummy? And because of that she's "mother knows all"? What does she know? She's an i"nspiration" bc she knows how to raise kids? How? She's not even with them most the time b/c she's off "touring" - being in the spotlight. There are millions of mothers out there who work FOR their kids (not off their kids), long hours, sacrificing everything, being w. them at home and kate is a "saint"??!
I would never trust Kate Gosselin's advice. She may be a mother but she's still inexperienced. She's only been a mom for 8 years and mom's will always be learning. They don't give birth and KNOW everything on raising a child. She hasn't even dealt w. teenagers. If anyone needs advice on raising kids, they go to their own mothers b/c they've been through it all.

outwest said...

Why all the Starbucks, Fed Ex and Kinkos? They are sponsors and Khate is paid to frequent them.

coffee beans said...

Starbucks is not organic. What's up with that, Kate? I believe there's some organic coffee shops, why doesn't she go there?

The whole "I feed my kids organic food" thing must be scripted by the writers. It's a niche TLC gives Kate. Everything is fake on TV. It's for the image and show.

Ashley said...

To say Jon slept with the 23 years old babysitter in the kids' house is really defamation. It has no base.

It is not possible to pull it off when 8 kids and 2 dogs are bugging you all night. You haven't been home for 2 days. Kids and dogs are going to follow you around. You will be tired and you are under your kids' watch. They are old enough to snoop around in the house. Who can still be in the mood to do such a thing?

Aren't you better off bringing girls to you apartment? You will have a much better time for sure.

It just sounds like a smear campaign from Kate's camp. Kate wants full custody of all her 8 cash cows. So she can exploit them any way she wants without talking to Jon. Besides, she is faking that "victim" thing, so they have to make Jon look really really bad. TLC is on Kate's side because they know Kate is on board, Kate has no problem selling her children. Jon is a lose cannon, anytime he is fed up, he might give TLC a finger and screw it all up on purpose.

Casa said...

Kate must think America is stupid. Wearing that ring to act like a mourning single mother, GET OUT OF HERE! GIRL, you need to stop faking it. You are full of organic cow crap. Drama queen.

You dumped him when he was a stay home dad. He asked you how he could amend the relationship and you didn't want to give the father of your 8 children a chance.

You are so Jessica Simpson on this one. Like someone said, after Nick was divorced, Jessica was dumped by every man she dated and her career was going downhill. That's gonna be you.

Ashley said...

Jon can't possibly sleep with a babysitter while 8 children are snooping around in the house.

But Kate can sleep with her bodyguard during her book tour. There's only two of them on those trips and in the hotel. How convenient!

che said...

If I were Jon, I would do exactly the same things to push Kate's button.

abuse + being divorced by your wife = anger

There is no way you just sit there and take it like a doormat. If you don't do something, your evil ex wife will never get to taste her own medicine because she is so good at deceiving the public.

marypoppins said...

Kiki said...
I'm not convinced Jon is trying to sleaze his way out of his TLC contract. There's no evidence Jon has ever set a goal and executed a plan to achieve it. (Perhaps other than taking a 6 week MS Office course).

This is a guy who went from his mommy to his wife-mommy. I attribute Jon's misbehavior to three things: emotions, hormones and money.

Jon is free of Kate so his spirits have been lifted for the first time in a decade. His D-list celebrity status makes him a hot commodity with young attention-seeking women like Hailey and Kate 2.0, so he's letting his hormones run wild. Finally, he has his own money for the first time in his life.

These things I think better account for his behavior than a master plan to get out of his TLC contract.
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I'll bet he needs and wants the show to go on so that he can have the life and lifestyle he has now. PERIOD.

I believe he is NOT trying to get out of the show OR trying to get his kids out of working.

I understand someone taking a year or 2 after high school to relax, ski, go to europe etc.

But what was his plan for his future- college career etc.
He said himself he was bumming around doing nothing with his life.

While I am not on anyones side-
I wonder if Kate only gave him $5 a day (as per some article somewhere) becasue she knew he was a wild spender and he was contributing litte/none to the household.

I wonder if she made him do evening bath times, or else he would have gone out to party and leave her with the kids on the evening.

That said she was so rude to him on the show-
The love slaps and squeezing his lips into words. While he was on the couch talking you could see her just waiting to jump on him for a grammer error or rambling etc and hen of course look at the camera/ off cmaera person to roll her eyes. Man, I think these two hated each other a loong time.

marypoppins said...

About this whole Kate gets locked out.

Why did she go back to the house if it was his turn and she knew she was not supposed to be there.

Why did she call the police? Because Jon wasn't listenng to her/giving her her way?

Did one of the kids call her and ask her to come- if so why?

Were those tears for the kids or tears of frustration and humiliation of being kicjed out of your million dollar home in front of you neighbours and Jons friend.

I dont think this was staged, but I think when she was locked out of the house the p people were summoned becuase it would make such a Kate is great story.

Posters are saying that jon was the calm one talking to the p people etc. But if what i read is true he was yelling just as much as she was and using curse words at her in front of their home.

And then to stage a meeting the next day.

They have messed their kids up for life

MBach said...

About a week ago I asked this question: Wasn't all this footage of kate/Hate and the boys on a ship filmed at the time the divorce was announced?

Way too many times I saw the same shot of her holding one of the tups (Collin?) while he turned some kind of wheel or handle. Over and over again the entertainment news showed kate/Hate holding the boy, with her head thrown back in that open mouth hehaw laugh. Even while holding her son, she finds a way to draw all the attention to herself. Ugh!

What will she be saying on this ship? - The military wanted us to come, because they all watch our show, and love us so much.

I bet the cutting room floor at TLC is covered with miles of footage that can never be used.

Tired said...

All Jon has to do tosabatoge the show is say "stop it, it is hurting my kids, I don't want to continue, and I will fight to stop the filming."

But he hasn't and he won't. Neither will Kate.

As long as both of them allow this to continue, neither one is better than the other.

It is no more complicated than that.

The rest of this garbage is just stupid tabloid stuff and not worth anyone's time or attention.

MirandaB2008 said...

Tangerine Tanya said...
Just a thought

Why can't Jon/Kate build a house on the land but far enough away from the main house so that whatever parent there is has their privacy?

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they could even have a Modular Home set up for all that matters. ( there are some REALLY nice modular homes out there available nowadays really!) I think the point might be that Kate couldn't and wouldn't ALLOW privacy........She would never leave Jon to do whatever he might want to be doing while he was ' off child duty' ......and SHE could never keep her nose out of what he is doing when she was ' off child duty'. Isn't it strange? all the times she was ' travelling around the countryside ' for work'? she didn't seem to bat an eye about what was going on at home? and now suddenly she needs to make evening visits?

cdnmom47 said...

In the ad for the upcoming show on Monday they said that this outing that Kate has with her boys is the very first time she's spending time with 'just' the boys.

They're 5 years old!! It's SHOCKING to me that never before this has she spent time with just them....

How sad.

junebug said...

Prior to Jon’s current mid-life crisis, I also assumed he was a passive individual who could not stand up to Kate, but a decent father who spent more quality time with the kids. I felt sympathy for him after watching Kate continuously berate and denigrate him, to his face and to the cameras. She came across as shrewish, unlikable, calculating and money-motivated. And she is. I do think she loves her kids, even as she continuously makes bad decisions that negatively impact them.

Given recent events, however, clearly both parents are equally at fault in the disaster that is the Gosselin marriage and family. Since the break up of their marriage, Jon Gosselin has dated and slept with Hailey Glassman and Kate Major, at times concurrently. He hired Stephanie Santoro, a 23-year-old cocktail waitress and aspiring model willing to pose nude, to be his children’s babysitter. He has been photographed in public with Santoro and at Legends, the bar where she works. She has spent the night at the Gosselin home more than once. He has been photographed drinking and smoking in public. He is spending large amounts of money that should rightly go to his children. He seems not to understand that although his children are more comfortable with him, miss him, love him, all of his actions are public and are causing and will cause his children great psychological harm. You cannot sleep around with paparazzi filming your every move! No child wants to see their father act like a thirteen-year-old adolescent. No child wants to see their parents humiliate themselves. Children need and want their parents to be authority figure who creates structure and consistency in their lives while loving them unconditionally. I don’t question Jon’s love for his children, but it isn’t enough to counterbalance the damage he is doing now. He knows Kate is irrational and volatile. He should do everything he can to compensate for that where his children are concerned, not fan the flames. He is no longer the parent to sympathize with – neither one is sympathetic.

TLC should cancel the show, now.

qtrfan said...

This fiasco reminds of the old Roseanne show. The show was a huge hit because viewers could relate to the Connors because they were like real people we knew.

Then the show went way off course when they won the lottery. When the show became rich people spending like crazy, it was no longer relatable. And the show was over.

This is pretty much the same thing.

Oh Come On said...

Ashley said...
To say Jon slept with the 23 years old babysitter in the kids' house is really defamation. It has no base.

It is not possible to pull it off when 8 kids and 2 dogs are bugging you all night. You haven't been home for 2 days. Kids and dogs are going to follow you around.
Jon can't possibly sleep with a babysitter while 8 children are snooping around in the house.

Ashley said...
But Kate can sleep with her bodyguard during her book tour. There's only two of them on those trips and in the hotel. How convenient!

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There's a separate apartment on the property that the babysitter was photographed leaving in the early morning. They have a full-time nanny watching the kids so there's nothing to keep Jon from having a good ol' time in the apartment uninterrupted. For you to claim that Jon has been defamed and then follow-up with a post talking about Kate sleeping with her bodyguard, for which there is no evidence whatsoever, is a tad hypocritical, to say the least.

C'villeGa mom said...

Why can't Jon/Kate build a house on the land but far enough away from the main house so that whatever parent there is has their privacy?

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I have always thought that the barn would make a great "man cave" for Jon. With all their freebies, I am sure someone would love to turn this into a beautiful home. It would be on the property, but away from the main home. That would give the kids a little more security just knowing he is that close. The only problem would be the girlfriends, but there are hotels for that.

I'd Talk Forever said...

I bet the cutting room floor at TLC is covered with miles of footage that can never be used.

Footage that the PA Department of Labor and Industry should see!

NewWester said...

The Gosselins have a fairly large backyard as seen during the "camping" episode. So why is it not used more? The driveway may be fine for riding bikes and some games , when a flat surface is needed.
I wonder if the "P-people" are either on Kate/TLC's payroll?
If photos were taken of the family in the backyard,then people would be after the paparazzi for invading the privacy of the family(I know that sounds strange when it comes to this reality family!) Also without control of what is photographed, KON and TLC would have a problem on their hands.
With a few exceptions and when you take the scenes from the show out. Kate has had a pretty easy time when it comes to the tabloids. Jon seems to be mentioned many times more and in a worse light.
All the times we have seen Kate mess up, she seems to always have some excuse that will please the sheeple out there. Showcasing her children playing on the driveway works to her advantage,if they were hidden away from the paps then they may dig deeper into Kate's life away from the camera(Steve perhaps?)The children are her only defence from the type of press Jon is getting now, which lately is not good at all.
Say what you may about Kate, but she is not a stupid woman. She is not about to let this gravytrain end. Kate will not go down without a fight.

stopthemadness said...

I wonder if all these events kate plans to speak at will be cheerful ones where she is upheld as this strong Christian mom or if maybe those were booked prior to all this drama now coming out. I note that a number of them - nearly all of them- are in the South. Southern women don't tend to appreciate women acting like Kate does, especially if they are Christian and have been led to believe the person who is "inspirational" to them, with all her blessings, is also Christian. It's getting to the point where people are onto Kate whatever big crocodile tears she weeps on Today show, her behavior elsewhere shames her. Christian evangelicals, or born agains, also tend to have this notion rather than equal partnership between husband and wife, that the husband is the "shepherd" and has more authority in the household than the wife. I have a hard time putting that together with Kate's behavior over the past five years never mind 5 months, not that I agree with the idea of the man as the head sheep herder, but I'm not the one working the fake born again angle. Is there any hope that some of these women will catch on, and that unlike Meredith or whoever gets the pre agreed to script of permissable questions, someone in these audiences will call Kate on her behavior? Or maybe having figured her out, and the factthis whole family and their "church" going was a big sham, the events will not be well attended as people will refuse to pay good money to hear a divorced Katie Irene lie about her life and religion, then speed off in her fancy SUV with her bodyguard-lover?

Kate makes Real Housewives of Atlanta /New Jersey look like a classy bunch of dames. They do have an audience but it's not the same one Kate Gosselin had, initially.

heavenams said...

"Did one of the kids call her and ask her to come- if so why?"
I remember on one of the interviews or shows...Jon said that they do a lot of texting bcs it was easier than calling...perhaps she asked him who was babysitting and he told her in a text. I can't imagine the kids even having her number or access to call her.

Connie said...

MBach said...
About a week ago I asked this question: Wasn't all this footage of kate/Hate and the boys on a ship filmed at the time the divorce was announced?

Way too many times I saw the same shot of her holding one of the tups (Collin?) while he turned some kind of wheel or handle. Over and over again the entertainment news showed kate/Hate holding the boy, with her head thrown back in that open mouth hehaw laugh. Even while holding her son, she finds a way to draw all the attention to herself. Ugh!

What will she be saying on this ship? - The military wanted us to come, because they all watch our show, and love us so much.
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If I'm right, in the clip I saw she was teaching her son how to shoot the p-people with a gun on the ship.

How nice! Now she's teaching them how to HATE. What a mom!! She is soooo sick....and I mean literally.

stopthemadness said...

I wonder if Kate's got to keep the kids on the driveway x amount of time per TLC. So that the paps can get photos of them and whip up the Jon and Kate frenzy. I can't imagine why you would do it otherwise, I mean, it's blacktop so the kids can ride bikes there if that is what they want to do, better than on the grass, but to eat there and play there nonstop with all that other property seems odd. I think at first it was comfortable for Kate - remember, she's not really an upper class person, used to the finer things (if you need to be reminded!) she's a plastic chair, play in the driveway kind of person who Beverly Hillbilly'd her way into this fancy home she has no idea how to behave in. So to "set out" and watch the kids play comes naturally. The paps being there photographing them would bug me and I would investigate other areas of my property to play in, if I wasn't being asked to keep them in camera site. But of course SHE likes the cameras very much as well so maybe it's not TLC maybe it's all her. One thing for sure they could certainly afford to put in blacktop elsewhere or even a bike path if they wanted to, they could afford to make the picnic area happen in the shade, put a cabana out there with the fuit and juices and hot dogs in it with a grill, have a freezer with ice cream and frozen organic pizzas, keep paper plates or even plastic reusable ones there (since they are supposedly so GREEN) if they wanted to. Have a tv or sound system - most of my neighbors with pools have pool houses, or cabanas, or at least an area on the patio between the house and bar where they can grill and keep a cooler. There seems to be a lack of ownership, on Kate and Jon's part, of this property - if I were there I'd already have a cabana by the pool. The kids would be living in that pool in the summer, learning to swim, having fun and getting some exercise. She can't be bothered to fix it up so it works for her family. Although she worked fast to get the kitchen changed. I guess being not outdorsy type of person she doesn't take much ownership of how the outside play areas work. The kids will play where SHE is comfortable, in the garage or on the driveway, or "camping out" three feet from it. It's kind of funny they have this mansion, on this land, and it's as if they are still in E'town.
Kate probably doesn't even recognize this herself, but maybe she is LONELY for adult company, for friends, since she's driven all hers away. The paps are the best she can do to get some attention...
What a lot they traded away "for the kids."

Only family will tell it said...

When you see these two idiots circling around in a rudderless ship, it confirms WHY people NEED family members to GROUND them and tell them the truth. NO ONE will do that but family. Not the elderly old neighbors that Kate prefers to drag out every so often to show that she does have outside connections, No, I mean REAL, blood family. Their relatives. Only then will they be told how they are actually seen to the world

Ohio Buckeye said...

OnlyFamilyWillTellIt said... yes, I agree sometimes it is only family that cares enough to sit you down and tell you the ugly truth about yourself or your life. However, sometimes and with some individuals, the person who is whirring out of control absolutely refuses to listen to even their family. And, like the Emperor in "The Emperor's New Clothes," immediately banishes anyone, including family, that fails to compliment/reflect back a 'beautiful' image of the Emperor. From everything we've seen to date, my guess is K8 is just such an Emperor.

fidosmommy said...

Eden said....
I would never trust Kate Gosselin's advice. She may be a mother but she's still inexperienced. She's only been a mom for 8 years and mom's will always be learning.

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What advice HAS she given to anybody to this point? When Nadya
Suleman had her babies, Kate was on some TV show and was asked what advice she had for Nadya. Kate looked completely flummoxed over what to tell her! She muttered something about "get lots of help" and that was it.

Who would pay good money to hear non-advice from a non-parent over
parenting issues? She has nothing to say. Nothing. If she did, she would have yet another book out on the market telling stressed parents how to cope with daily issues. She has nothing to contribute to mothers anywhere.

Comb their hair! said...

stopthemaddness,

Your ideas sound like an ideal one but least we forget that Kate really doesn't have alot of class.

She says that she wants her kids to look good but then if that is so I have to wonder why the hell she doesn't seem to take the time to comb the girl tups hair. The girl tups and yes even the twins look as if they woke up,got dressed and went outside to play.

Part of the fun of having little girls is to comb their hair.

It ticks me off when I see hair hanging in their faces. It also seems like the only time that their hair is combed is when the Asian nanny is there.

Courtney said...

Moving to the big mansion is the beginning of the end.

The show used to be about a middle class family raising children and saving money for the kids' college tuition. Now it's all about supporting parents' expensive lifestyle. Parents' hearts are not home. They heart a rich single person's lifestyle - spending, spending, spending, meeting new men or women.

TLC The Lowlife Channel said...

Why should Aunt Jodi take care of Kate's kids for free? Kate treats her relatives like free slaves. Kate is a lowlife.

Aunt Jodi has 4 children herself. She didn't get any help at all. On top of that, she had to take some of Kate's kids before their fall out. Kate wants to talk about stress? Only Aunt Jodi has the right to talk about stress.

Kate never takes care of 8 children on her own without any help. There's always free help there, relatives, neighbors, volunteers, hired help paid by TLC, and Jon. I have never seen her do it without at least one person helping her. Stress my #$#@!

TLC The Lowlife Channel said...

TLC is The Lowlife Channel. I will never support TLC again.

The families are all like Jon and Kate. They talk about moral and family values because they have nothing to show for, no talent, no good look, no bling, no interesting hobbies, no cool career. When they start making money, they will all act like Kate. Talking about family values and moral is just a gimmick. You can see the burning desire in their eyes that how much they want to make it big so they can start spending and acting like diva.

tigerfan said...

cdnmom47 said...
In the ad for the upcoming show on Monday they said that this outing that Kate has with her boys is the very first time she's spending time with 'just' the boys.

They're 5 years old!! It's SHOCKING to me that never before this has she spent time with just them....


I absolutely agree! I fail to see the necessity to include wordage such as 'first time spending' and 'just the boys' in the episode description. Are viewers to applaud Kate's efforts for time spent being the 'first time' or 'just the boys'. IMO, I find it rather appauling that Kate only recently found it within herself to spend time with 'just the boys'. They boys are 5 plus years old for crying out loud. On the list of Gosselin 'rare treats', we can now add mommy spending time with 'just the boys'.

Bored Teen and Mom said...

Ahhh GREAT ONE to the poster who said that TLC means....The Lowlife Channel........

cottagequeso gal said...

Do you know what I really don't get?? I just don't get why nobody stands up to this witch. They all cater to her and seem intimidated by her. ALL of them. Regis, Kelly (of course) Rachel Ray, Meredith Viera, Larry King, etc. You'd think they would be just a bit confrontational with her but it seems like they just let her run the show. When she repeatedly sidesteps their questions, they just let her be. OMG, if that were OctoMom they would have crucified her.....
I'm surprised someone hasn't spit in mama Khate's face by now

NVMom of 3 said...

Tired said...
All Jon has to do tosabatoge the show is say "stop it, it is hurting my kids, I don't want to continue, and I will fight to stop the filming."

But he hasn't and he won't. Neither will Kate.

As long as both of them allow this to continue, neither one is better than the other.

It is no more complicated than that.

The rest of this garbage is just stupid tabloid stuff and not worth anyone's time or attention.
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*APPLAUSE!!!*

Mom of 5 said...

And, just had to comment on the DD coffee - is she trying to save money by going with less expensive choice? hehehe. I prefer DD to starbux anyday but I thought that was funny.

In Reading they don't have Starbuck's all over the place, but DD's are everywhere...so it is probably just a matter of what she has access to.

The Kinko's thing is interesting though...I wonder what is up with that?

Ms.Peach said...

MBach said...
About a week ago I asked this question: Wasn't all this footage of kate/Hate and the boys on a ship filmed at the time the divorce was announced?

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She was in NC the end of May til early June, BEFORE the announcement.

Mom of 5 said...

Taxes stink asked: Way back when someone mentioned taxes on a 1.3 million dollar house...well their house is only appraised under 450,000....it also seems as if they are classified as a "farm"...why?

I don't know why the "farm" classification, but I can say that in PA, for some reason the "appraised" value of a house is typically only about 50% of the market value. I have no clue why.

Friend in New Mexico said...

cottagequeso gal,

You know...I have wondered the EXACT thing myself.....

Ms.Peach said...

There's no proof of this other than the tabloid story of a former employee saying Kate drank in the evenings but here's my
response to posters who question why she is always with her Starbucks cup or bottled water. I totally agree that it's possible that she is a closet alcoholic or close to becoming one. I've witnessed this type of behavior with alcoholics. If you know an alcoholic, you understand it's common. I wouldn't be surprised if she has a flask in that big ol' purse of hers.

I really don't know, but regardless, the woman is a ticking time bomb, IMO.

Mom of 5 said...

Its 90 degrees in the sun here in Pa. today and Kate has them all out baking in the sun when she has a beautiful shaded backyard. I think she's just lazy and doesn't want to carry things down to the lower level which is out back.

There is absolutely no reason the kids couldn't have carried stuff if that was the reason.

Which leads us back to "she wanted the paps to see her being a "good mother." And ironically, she displayed her POOR mothering by her choice of such a terribly hot location.

I DID see however, that her picnic AGAIN, consisted of cut up cantelope, grapes, juicyjuice boxes and some crunchy crap. WHERE are the burgers, dogs and baked beans?? She calls this a picnic? For WHO rabbits?

At least give the poor kids some peanut butter & jelly! If making sandwhiches is too much trouble, let them dip grapes & apple slices in a dollop of peanut butter on their plates--they need some protein!

And the constant juice boxes? Yeah...I can't imagine dealing with that all the time for my 5 kids (all the errant straw wrappers & straws), let alone the environmental issues. Are cups THAT difficult for Katie Irene to handle?

J said...

I am surprised no one has brought out the race card yet as to why Jon is being portrayed as the bad guy.

What will sell better? A white woman who was wronged by (insert a minority race here) or a minority being wronged by a crazy white woman? In fact, does TLC even have shows on minorities having to deal with single parenthood or just minorities in general? Just a thought...

I have stopped watching the show a while ago. The episode that did it for me was when they were buying beds for the 'tups. Watching her ignore Colin while he was hurting really pissed me off.

The way TLC is giving Kate a free pass to everything is beyond me. TLC has already chosen sides in this by providing the PR and letting Kate trash Jon in just about every interview she's done lately. Just wish Jon would get his crap together and put TLC and the wench in their places!

julieboolie said...

" stopthemadness said...
I wonder if all these events kate plans to speak at will be cheerful ones where she is upheld as this strong Christian mom or if maybe those were booked prior to all this drama now coming out. I note that a number of them - nearly all of them- are in the South. Southern women don't tend to appreciate women acting like Kate does, especially if they are Christian and have been led to believe the person who is "inspirational" to them, with all her blessings, is also Christian. It's getting to the point where people are onto Kate whatever big crocodile tears she weeps on Today show, her behavior elsewhere shames her. Christian evangelicals, or born agains, also tend to have this notion rather than equal partnership between husband and wife, that the husband is the "shepherd" and has more authority in the household than the wife. I have a hard time putting that together with Kate's behavior over the past five years never mind 5 months, not that I agree with the idea of the man as the head sheep herder, but I'm not the one working the fake born again angle. Is there any hope that some of these women will catch on, and that unlike Meredith or whoever gets the pre agreed to script of permissable questions, someone in these audiences will call Kate on her behavior? Or maybe having figured her out, and the factthis whole family and their "church" going was a big sham, the events will not be well attended as people will refuse to pay good money to hear a divorced Katie Irene lie about her life and religion, then speed off in her fancy SUV with her bodyguard-lover?

Kate makes Real Housewives of Atlanta /New Jersey look like a classy bunch of dames. They do have an audience but it's not the same one Kate Gosselin had, initially.

8/16/2009 8:58 AM

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You hit the nail on the head. Every single devout christian I have met has definitely had the mentality you speak of with the husband being held as leader (and I am NOT saying this is a bad thing at all) and she definitely does not follow that idealology. IMO she targeted the christian audience because she viewed them as suckers. Good Christian folks are always the first to NOT think ill and are quite nieve (sic) to being scammed. Easy market for for Queen of Freebie's. I only wish that the church leaders and good folks would look a little deeper at not what Jon is doing but what Khate is doing and quit booking her. I would think that her request alone for charging at a House of Worship for autographs and pictures would have sent the pastors running from her but guess not.....I haven't heard from one that she donated any of the procedes to the church's or any other non profit organization..... If any reader out there had any type of connection to a national organization of religious leaders, would urge that they broach the topic of having a boycott on booking her for any speaking events and instead formulate a national prayer campaign for the family as well as advocate against explotation of children in the media.

MirandaB2008 said...

Connie said:
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If I'm right, in the clip I saw she was teaching her son how to shoot the p-people with a gun on the ship.

How nice! Now she's teaching them how to HATE. What a mom!! She is soooo sick....and I mean literally.

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yes my thoughts on this exactly. And then to do that Witch Cackle after making such a Stupid brainless comment. Oh sure !! let's teach little children to hate so much that it's Ok to take guns and shoot people. Yup!! this woman deserves a Trophy. Not exactly sure what for!? but there might be one given for ' person who flows at the mouth without thinking before hand'? She would win that one! hands Down.

PUT MY HAIR IN PIG TAILS- PLEASE! said...

To those who have commented on the appearance of the kids--- I have thought the same thing. Mady's shorts looked frumpy and almost dirty in the last pictures taken. I have kids, and believe me, in the summer, they look pretty scroungy before coming in for their baths. HOWEVER, there is a difference in "playing outside and being dirty" dirt as opposed to " pulled the same things on for several days in a row" dirt. Those poor little girls look like rag-a- muffins. Hair in their face, hot and and sweaty. Those two rocket scientists are so busy trying to stay one step ahead of their lies and spinning tales of "woe is me" that they forget about the "Eight little faces" . I don't know what it will take to have someone step in and help those kids. Criminal. Just plain criminal.

mistyohio said...

Kelly Rippa and her husband Mark has a show on TLC this fall.....wonder now why Kelly was so nice to the Ice Lady....Hello !!!

Marie France said...

mom-of-one said...
I have a question, has anyone noticed how often Khate goes to FedEx/Kinko's? It seems like every time they "report" her running her mundane errands, that she is getting coffee and swinging by the Kinko's. Does she not have a fax machine in her house? Is she sending papers to TLC? A lawyer? Just seems odd.
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She (or Jon) goes to the Kinko's/FedEx in Sinking Spring to pick up their mail every day. While mail is delivered to the Wernersville area by the mailman, KON prefers to have it sent to a P.O. Box at Kinko's/fedEx. I guess they want to prevent people from sending mail to their home address. Like insane fans or "jellus haters."

Marie france said...

MyLittleCat said...
Remember the sudden loss of Scott the camera man? I think he went to film the Duggar's. They mention him some in this clip at about 15 seconds. They are interviewing Jessa and they ask her about "Scott the camera man"
He seemed close to the Gosselin kids. I wonder if the old crew is worried about them or if they even cared at all...
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Scott and another Figure8 Films staff member asked to be removed from the KON show on "moral grounds." They could not take what they were seeing anymore. So - Scott and (I think) Jen Stocks went to work on the Duggar show. They said Kate was abusive and they just could not be a part of it.

goawayfools said...

Mariefrance, do you know specifically what Scott and Jen had moral objections to? Was Kate physically or just emotionally/verbally abusive? And to whom? Just Jon or the kids too? Just curious

jasmine said...

Do the Gosselin's even have a mailbox in front of their home? I can't imagine having to go outside of their gate to retrieve mail. With all the paparazzi and "fans" stopping by, I would be afraid to even open that box. I can't blame them for having a PO box. People run businesses out of PO boxes also.

Errands to nowhere said...

Mom-of-one, I LOVE that saying "mundane errands" that tells it all. (think of the gas they waste with the back and forth to nowhere)

alsoamomtotwins said...

Marie France said . . .
Scott and another Figure8 Films staff member asked to be removed from the KON show on "moral grounds." They could not take what they were seeing anymore. So - Scott and (I think) Jen Stocks went to work on the Duggar show. They said Kate was abusive and they just could not be a part of it.
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Don't you find this a little odd since both shows are filmed and produced by Figure 8 Films, a company that employs exactly 12 people? If Jen and Scott really had a moral problem with what was going on wouldn't they have suggested the company no longer produce the show or perhaps leave the company altogether? If they saw abuse wouldn't they have said something to the other 10 people they work with? We're not talking about some huge production company here. I get that Figure 8 makes a lot of money on J&K but if they really thought Kate was abusive, wouldn't they have suggested that their company was enabling the abuse and should probably stop?

Mean and laughing said...

Why does Kate always have to bend backward with her mouth wide open when she laughs that cackle. Its almost a devious gesture.

Snerk said...

Don't you find this a little odd since both shows are filmed and produced by Figure 8 Films, a company that employs exactly 12 people?

I have to ask why you think Figure 8 only employs 12 people? It looks to me as if more than 12 people work for them on any one of their shows.

Scruffy's Mom said...

Know what's scary? (besides Hate's hair) ... Kelly Ripa last week said she and Mark were in talks about ANOTHER show in addition to that reception one. And Hate was in town...

circling the drain said...

Eden said: Seriously - WHY IS KATE FAMOUS AND SEEN AS AN INSPIRATION TO MOMS AND HOUSEWIVES EVERYWHERE? For birthing 6 babies in her tummy?
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I know, I know. It is wrong on so many levels. Kate is not the first American woman to give birth to sextuplets. However, she & Jon were the first HOM parents to decide their children's privacy was for sale if the price was right. And became famous and wealthy for this selfish decision.

I agree with the posters who feel Jon is trying to sabotage the show. With contracts and such, I don't think he has the power to just say "end it- I won't allow this any more." But if he keeps acting like he is he just might kill the show. Paybacks are hell, and he is sticking Kate good for every ball-less year he endured with her.

And I agree 110% with everyone here who wishes the kids had a private play area. Every time Kate opens her sad, sorry mouth about the paparazzi I want to smack her. All summer, those kids have been observed like animals in a zoo by paps out on the street. It's like they have two jobs. Filming the show and then being trotted out daily to the driveway to be on display. If everything is for the kids, if the kids TRULY come first, if they found the time, money and energy to gut a perfectly good kitchen that Kate NEVER cooks in, then they certainly could build a safe, *private* play area for the children. They could pave an acre if they wanted to. Since they haven't, they obviously have some financial obligation or deal with the paps to keep the kids on display.

alsoamomtotwins said...

Snerk said. . . I have to ask why you think Figure 8 only employs 12 people? It looks to me as if more than 12 people work for them on any one of their shows.
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Because that's what their website says. It lists 12 people as their "team" -- and this includes Jen and Scott. Well, actually it lists 12 people and three dogs so I can't imagine if there were more actual employees that they'd leave them off and list dogs.

I am sure that they hire all kinds of freelance sound or camera people as they need them but 12 is actually a lot for a production company to have as full-time employees.

You can go here: http://www.figure8films.tv/site/about_us/ to read it for yourself.

jonandkatewho? said...

Marie france said...

MyLittleCat said...
Remember the sudden loss of Scott the camera man? I think he went to film the Duggar's. They mention him some in this clip at about 15 seconds. They are interviewing Jessa and they ask her about "Scott the camera man"
He seemed close to the Gosselin kids. I wonder if the old crew is worried about them or if they even cared at all...
____
Scott and another Figure8 Films staff member asked to be removed from the KON show on "moral grounds." They could not take what they were seeing anymore. So - Scott and (I think) Jen Stocks went to work on the Duggar show. They said Kate was abusive and they just could not be a part of it.

8/16/2009 4:32 PM
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Where did you hear or read of this? My understanding was that nobody really knows for sure why Scott and Jen left. I understand that people were assuming they left on moral grounds after what Jodi and Kevin said about some of the crew having problems with what they were filming, but I've never seen or heard any confirmation of it. Jodi and Kevin were not that specific and did not name any crew members who left, to my knowledge.

Did I miss something?

BTW, I surely couldn't blame them if that is the reason they left; God knows the crew have probably seen some horrible things over the years. The exploitation of the kids alone would be enough to make most honest people leave, or at least you would think so.

fidosmommy said...

I think the KateCackle is an
overcompensation for the unhappiness she feels inside. Her world was falling apart, she couldn't act like there was anything wrong in May, so she did that uber annoying laugh of hers to release tension and to make it look like all was well in her life. It's a common defense mechanism - laugh or else you'll cry. The louder you laugh, the more "happy" you appear, but the more unhappy you really are. Those are not natural, happy laughs. They are forced.

In the original showing of the 5th Birthday party they showed Kate helping set up. I think it's been edited out since then. Anyway, there were several times where Kate did the KateCackle, and it was
really an over-response to the circumstances.

Im_in_PR said...

Stopthemadness said
"Christian evangelicals, or born agains, also tend to have this notion rather than equal partnership between husband and wife, that the husband is the "shepherd" and has more authority in the household than the wife. I have a hard time putting that together with Kate's behavior over the past five years never mind 5 months, not that I agree with the idea of the man as the head sheep herder, but I'm not the one working the fake born again angle."

Kate was raised in a Calvary Chapel church, latter she and Jon may have attended a Church of God denomination church.
I believe I read that Jon was raised Catholic, although that could be wrong.

While Calvary Chapels would fit in the "Evangelical" slot, they are also typically more liberal in doctrine and "who wears the pants" issues than say Southern Baptist, which are the largest group of Evangelicals. Southern Baptists tend to be more conservative on the husband/wife issue and stick closer to a literal belief in what the Bible says.

Wendy said...

I think that it is very unfortunate when children have to grow up without their father.

However, Kate Gosselin has shown me that it's not always the father's decision. Perhaps some fathers just simply don't want to deal with their children's mother. I'm sad for the children. Kate might try and make them think that Jon never cared about them. How do we know? All I have ever seen on camera is a mother who made it very difficult for Jon to be a dad.

Is Jon a saint? NO! Is he human? Yes! I think that any human being would go crazy having to deal with Kate. So he is partying, let him be. If he was woman breaking free from a overbearing man, we wouldn't judge him the same way.

Kate is hard on him enough for all of us. Give Jon a break.

Robin said...

If anyone remembers the show when Khate went ballistic over Jon's forgetting the $50 worth of coupons you'll understand his erractic behavior now! As one poster said......"I'm gonna get laid." -- guess he did lol
She is one UGLY woman.
And get those little children into a safe haven of their backyard.

Team Jon.

blame both said...

oh come on said...There's a separate apartment on the property that the babysitter was photographed leaving in the early morning. They have a full-time nanny watching the kids so there's nothing to keep Jon from having a good ol' time in the apartment uninterrupted. For you to claim that Jon has been defamed and then follow-up with a post talking about Kate sleeping with her bodyguard, for which there is no evidence whatsoever, is a tad hypocritical, to say the least.

Jon also said he sleeps in the house, not in the garage when he is staying with the kids. Why would he leave his kids alone in the house all night?
Personally, I think both Jon and Kate are guilty of cheating....and yes, with the body guard-- what perfect cover. The losers are the children, period.
Jon made a comment he didn't like the choice of Kate's "watchers" or something like that, who else could he meant besides Steve?

Ms.Peach said...

Why doesn't Kate's personal assistant run her errands? BECAUSE she wants the pap shots of her doing mommy errands....grocery shopping, picking up the mail, going to the dr., etc. It's such a joke. It's all one big fake life. So TLC, we know you read this site, we are not buying it. Stop using the kids as props!

ManicNarcissism said...

I'd Talk Forever,

You seem to be really in the know. I wish you would "talk more." :-)

Ms.Peach said...

Kate has an unlimited supply of JuicyJuice, and by golly, she's going to use every box. JJ is nothing more than liquid candy. Anything labeled "natural" is just an advertising ploy. No wonder this country has a weight issue.

Also, the kids have terrible table manners. They eat like little pigs because all they are given is finger foods.

ManicNarcissism said...

Fidosmommy said

For someone who can spend like a tycoon, she can sure be cheap when it comes to her children.

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You probably know this already hence your wonderful observation but for some that might not. My mom has NPD and this was really common. She would spend $30,000 on a piece of art, or crystal chandelier, or a gun from the civil war, or someone to faux paint her entire mansion, but when she had her last child in one of her MOST prosper times she bought material and sewed curtains, bedding, etc for the nursery. She commented to me that the sets out there are just so ridiculously priced. Now to most of us this would be industrious and a great thing, but it was just so weird to see her spend and spend when it came to her every whim, but when it was something for the kids money became different. It was like she was two different people, frugal when it came to us kids, and a spend-aholic when it came to her. I would fail classes because I didn't want to hear her complain about the cost of the supplies I needed for a project and on the same day we would go to the mall and she would drop $1000 on herself.

Very weird.

Ms.Peach said...

I'm not sure why Jen and Scott left. Basically, I think it was frustration dealing with trying to get usable footage for the show. It must have been difficult to stand by and watch Kate go off on those little kids. Really, how many of you have worked with someone who was horrible and you dreaded work? If it wasn't that, then Kate complained (maybe they interfered) and they were given the boot. It'll all come out someday, but not soon enough.

ManicNarcissism said...

jasmine said...

Do the Gosselin's even have a mailbox in front of their home? I can't imagine having to go outside of their gate to retrieve mail. With all the paparazzi and "fans" stopping by, I would be afraid to even open that box. I can't blame them for having a PO box. People run businesses out of PO boxes also.

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I'm sure they do have a mailbox but maybe they get most of their stuff at their PO Box. If I was Kate (banish the thought...) I would tell the Nanny, the more regular one that every time she comes to get the mail on her way in. That way know one has to walk out to get it and it just becomes her routine, no big deal. But, that would be way too logical and organized for Kate.

Jake said...

Wendy said...

Kate is hard on him enough for all of us. Give Jon a break.


No way!!! I know men who have dealt with far worse life situations than Kate Gosselin who act far more responsibily than Jon Gosselin.

Bad things happen to lots of people some brought on by themselves; someone through no fault of their own. Regardless, each individual chooses how they react to the things that happen no matter how bad.

Example, I know two brothers who grew up in an abusive household. One has made the choice to break the cycle and is a kind and loving father. The other has made the choice to act out and be selfish hurting his and blaming it on his past.

Jon is a man who now completely makes his own choices. And his choices are negatively effecting his kids.

Holding aside multiple women he is "hanging" out with while professing love for another, his partying lifestyle is not good for the kids. Period.

Jon is in control of his own destiny at this point - no way would I cut him any breaks.

Pattypanda said...

What happened to going to Church on Sunday. Oh ya, they don't need the love offerings anymore. She's either switched to vodka in that waterbottle or she's trying to debunk the rumors of what's in her ever present coffee cup. Doesn't that house look dead - I agree they have no emotional attachment to that house. Not one flower in bloom in the front of the house. Can you imagine the fun those kids would have running around with watering cans getting soaked and wetting eachother. They don't get to have any real fun - they don't have the energy with the crappy food they eat.

tallblonde said...

Scruffy's Mom said...
Know what's scary? (besides Hate's hair) ... Kelly Ripa last week said she and Mark were in talks about ANOTHER show in addition to that reception one. And Hate was in town...
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I think we might have lucked out on this one, Scruffy's Mom! :)
The other show Kelly & Mark are in development talks about is one about moms that have a product/business idea - and how to bring it to market. It's a TLC/Discovery deal, so we'll just have to keep our fingers crossed! :)

Lauren said...

"fidosmommy said...

I think the KateCackle is an
overcompensation for the unhappiness she feels inside. "

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I think it's just Kate doing a really bad job ad-libbing. Laughing and crying are both un-natural acts for Kate. Condescention, nastiness and outright rage are the natural ways she expresses what she feels inside: cold contempt for everyone around her, all of whom she feels are beneath her and are there only to serve her needs and further her ambitions.

NotaKatefan said...

RadarOnline today shows Kate in a little white sundress leaving for errands and taking Mady and Cara to a pool party.

*If* she was a "real" single mother of 8, she would be hauling all 8 with her on errands and not relying on hired help to stay with the tups while she trots around to get her picture taken by the paps.

I have a friend with 8 children and she loads them all up in her van when they go to activities such as soccer games, etc. Her husband travels for business quite a bit leaving her with the 8, but she views that as her full time job and rarely has a sitter or any assistance beyond a cleaning service once a month to do a deep clean.

Kate is not a single mother of 8. She is a pampered princess with a diva attitude who birthed 8 children and only parents when cameras are nearby.

momof4intx said...

Just saw Kendra W. on the Today show, discussing Jon and Kate....she had some not so nice things to say about it. She may come across ditsy sometimes, but the more I see her the more I like her. And she admitted that even her own reality show is heavily edited and not entirely "real". It was nice to hear some truth for a change.

marypoppins said...

Ms.Peach said...
I'm not sure why Jen and Scott left. Basically, I think it was frustration dealing with trying to get usable footage for the show. It must have been difficult to stand by and watch Kate go off on those little kids. Really, how many of you have worked with someone who was horrible and you dreaded work? If it wasn't that, then Kate complained (maybe they interfered) and they were given the boot. It'll all come out someday, but not soon enough.
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Jodi in the interview said something about Jen and Scott having moral issues with what they were filming.

The clip of Kate throwing a dirty wrapped diaper at Jen spoke volumes to me.

On a couch interview Jen( off camera) asked kate about that incident, Kate said in an exaggerated way "I did???"

marypoppins said...

Jake said...
Wendy said...

Kate is hard on him enough for all of us. Give Jon a break.

No way!!! I know men who have dealt with far worse life situations than Kate Gosselin who act far more responsibily than Jon Gosselin.

Bad things happen to lots of people some brought on by themselves; someone through no fault of their own. Regardless, each individual chooses how they react to the things that happen no matter how bad.

Example, I know two brothers who grew up in an abusive household. One has made the choice to break the cycle and is a kind and loving father. The other has made the choice to act out and be selfish hurting his and blaming it on his past.

Jon is a man who now completely makes his own choices. And his choices are negatively effecting his kids.

Holding aside multiple women he is "hanging" out with while professing love for another, his partying lifestyle is not good for the kids. Period.

Jon is in control of his own destiny at this point - no way would I cut him any breaks.
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Jon is away from kate, has the kids part time. Has cash Im sure. Has lots of time on his hands.

I would love to hear that he is going back to school.

Joise said...

I think the next time I go to West VA to visit family, I will make an overnight detour in PA then call the police at 4:00 a.m. and have them carry my luggage to my car since this seems to be a service the local police provide..lol

jonandkatewho? said...

marypoppins said...

Ms.Peach said...
I'm not sure why Jen and Scott left. Basically, I think it was frustration dealing with trying to get usable footage for the show. It must have been difficult to stand by and watch Kate go off on those little kids. Really, how many of you have worked with someone who was horrible and you dreaded work? If it wasn't that, then Kate complained (maybe they interfered) and they were given the boot. It'll all come out someday, but not soon enough.
______________________________
Jodi in the interview said something about Jen and Scott having moral issues with what they were filming.

The clip of Kate throwing a dirty wrapped diaper at Jen spoke volumes to me.

On a couch interview Jen( off camera) asked kate about that incident, Kate said in an exaggerated way "I did???"

8/17/2009 9:45 AM
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In the interview I saw with Jodi and Kevin, neither of them named Jen or Scott as having moral issues with what was being filmed. All they said was that some crew members had moral issues with the filming.

My point is not to argue but to make sure we stick with what is really known about this, because in my opinion Jen and Scott shouldn't be given a pass because they supposedly left after having moral issues with the show. We don't know why they left and they could have simply been reassigned. They both still work for TLC, and TLC is exploiting this family, most notably the kids. I would bet that both Jen and Scott could say a whole lot of things about this family which would disturb most of us to the core, but remember they aren't talking either. I don't have any reason to give either of them any kind of credit for having exemplary morals or values. If bad stuff was going down, they saw it, and they did not report it to anybody.

She is who she is said...

AnneS, I appreciate that your daughter likes her hair in front of her face and likes to eat yogert and hummus, but we are talking about a grown woman here, Kate, and the way she is raising eight children that have rarely seen a hot meat.
I am an R.N. and nutritionally it is not good to eat this all the time, as growing children need protein for nerves and muscles, bones and blood. Also I doubt that there are snakes,frogs and bugs in the pool area or covered patio area out back. We ALL know the reason that Kate is out on the blacktop with 26 acres of useable property. So, what she is doing is not normal rationale for the majority of people. I don't find the critisism of Kate harsh at all, I find it SPOT ON.

Charlie Rose said...

AnneS, although I do appreciate reading your comments, I have to say if Kate doesn't like what is happening in her life, then she simly can walk away and get her children off TV and yes it is that easy. She CHOOSES not to and therefore, any sympathy, empathy or any emotion I feel goes ONLY towards the children.

readerlady said...

Every day I get an email newsletter of Entertainment News from creators sydicate. In yesterday's news letter, there was a piece about TLC's unhappiness with Jon for wearing Ed Hardy merchandise and HIS DECISION TO SPLIT FROM KATE! Wait a minute - isn't KATE the one who initiated the split? Isn't KATE the one who filed for a divorce? So why isn't TLC upset with her? The bit went on the say that TLC felt used by Jon. Say what?! TLC is the one who has been using the Gosselins - albeit with their consent - from day one. It also said that TLC would continue to censor Jon's interviews, etc. Talk about spin. This tells me all I need to know about TLC and it's motives and, possibly, Jon's motivation. He may be feeling like if he's bd enough, TLC will void his contract and he can get out from under. Then he can go after them for the kids' sake.

redksiesatnight said...

'Jon is in control of his own destiny at this point - no way would I cut him any breaks.'

At this point, IMO, Jon is not in control of his own destiny but contractually obligated to TLC/Figure 8 Productions. Until such time that Jon is released from the terms and conditions of said contract with TLC, only then will he be free to pursue (legally and otherwise) his own destiny. Again IMO, much of the 'defiant' behavior we have seen in Jon is a direct result of his inability to pursue a life as Jon Gosselin, the man, with his own set of personal and 'career goals' and Jon Gosselin the father of eight children. AT THIS POINT, whatever Jon does is in immediate conflict with J & K + 8 the reality show, Kate Gosselin the 'estranged wife' and his ability to portray himself as a dedicated loving father. I for one am not convinced that this 'conflict' as played out by the media, is one that Jon has brought on himself but a 'role' that has been cast him because AT THIS POINT, the terms and conditions of his destiny are still being defined and RESTRICTED by some one other than himself. AT THIS POINT, the ONLY thing that TLC cannot control is the who and what that Jon chooses to socialize himself. When Jon is free from the LEGAL reigns of TLC, hopefully that is when Jon will take control of his own destiny and thus begin the process of the REAL Jon Gosselin, the man and the father.

Free the Gosselin 8 said...

cottagequeso gal said...
Do you know what I really don't get?? I just don't get why nobody stands up to this witch. They all cater to her and seem intimidated by her. ALL of them. Regis, Kelly (of course) Rachel Ray, Meredith Viera, Larry King, etc.

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I haven't looked into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're all owned by the same parent company. If it's not that, the shows have to be connected in some important way. That's the only reason they're all throwing such softball questions at Kate, and acting like they all love her.

I'd pay good money to get Kate on The View. I think Joy and Whoopie would rip her a new one....

Another thought ... my brother wrote for one of the major late night talk shows a few years ago, and most guests (or their "handlers") will decide beforehand which topics are allowed, which questions CANNOT be asked. The guest won't do the show if the interviewer doesn't agree to the terms.

Just another example of unreal "reality."

Free the Gosselin 8 said...

J said...

The way TLC is giving Kate a free pass to everything is beyond me. TLC has already chosen sides in this by providing the PR and letting Kate trash Jon in just about every interview she's done lately.

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TLC could care less about either of these goobers. The bottom line is "the bottom line"! This was their #1 show and that equals BIG BUCKS for TLC. They want to keep the cash cow "milking" at any cost.

Hmmmm.... maybe that's why Kate got bigger boobs????

ihatethisshow said...

I doubt it was her idea that the kitchen be redone -- it was done to create an episode plot. A lot of criticism about Kate thinking things are hard also is based on production efforts to create plot and drama.
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before the gosselin's were 'outed', kate's (and tlc's) idea was for kate to have a cooking show--hence, the new kitchen at the house (i.e. 'set).

ihatethisshow said...

kate can gnash her fake teeth all she wants to about jon's nanny. SHE is the one that instigated the divorce proceedings! She has no say-so whatsoever in who Jon hires to take care of the kids-as long as they are not a threat to the kids, criminals, that sort of thing, kate is just gonna have to take a big ol' chill pill. this is just the beginning of her gnashing....she REALLY thinks she is going to see them EVERY holiday and bday? yeah, right!
i would hate to think that the entire country hates me, that i enjoy spas, plastic surgery, first class accommodations, at the expense of my children! when those kids get older, i think KI is going to be really lonely-no money, no friends or family, no nothing.

Tami said...

AnneS, I appreciate that your daughter likes her hair in front of her face and likes to eat yogert and hummus, but we are talking about a grown woman here, Kate, and the way she is raising eight children that have rarely seen a hot meat.
I am an R.N. and nutritionally it is not good to eat this all the time, as growing children need protein for nerves and muscles, bones and blood
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Not that her pitiful food offerings deserve any defending, but there is protein in hummus and even in yogurt.

Jonstheherohere said...

Joan10 said:

"Jon is definitely making some wrong decisions now but to me they are equally responsible for this mess."

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Loved your post . . . but on this point I beg to differ.

Perhaps, after being publically humiliated time after time by his wife, Jon's reacting to freedom from her cruel ways by maybe not making the best choices for himself.

Perhaps, he's been lonely for a long time. Who knows how long the marriage has really been over anyway?

He seems like a great, caring dad, young, a gentleman, who no longer has to sit back and take it from this woman.

If a man is raised to be a gentleman, no matter how bad it gets with a mean wifey, his training will always win out over what he might really like to say to or about her.

Methinks this woman ain't a lady. She's doing a subtle hatchet job on him every chance she gets.

Unfortunately, he's stuck with a tough, tough soon-to-be ex. I feel for him. Men aren't always the bad ones. Let's give him a break.

She sure hasn't.

Andrea Murdock said...

redksiesatnight, I applaud you. Very well put and I don't think people truly understand the evil that is inside Kate Gosselin and how TLC feeds that evil.

fidosmommy said...

Tami said...

Not that her pitiful food offerings deserve any defending, but there is protein in hummus and even in yogurt.


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Yes, they have protein, and yogurt has calcium. However, as an anemic myself, I know the importance of red meat in the diet.
With the exception of the burgers Jon grilled, the Kogi beef he put into the Korean meal and the
Chili Mac Emeril made, I haven't seen much red meat served.

I also haven't seen many green vegetables, which also concerns me.
They seemed to really like the green beans Emeril fixed.

Of course, we don't know what they eat for their evening meal. They may be very satisfying, complete meals.

Sookie said...

To Redskiesatnight

If it really came down to a TLC contract or the well being of his kids, any decent father would be'contract be damned!'..yes contracts can be broken and Jon could man up and face the consequences of a broken contract and at least have some dignity and stand up for his kids and get them away from the unreality of living such a public life while their parents are divorcing and being skewered in the media. Does anyone see Jon doing this for his kids? No. Why? Because Jon relies on his kids for income and sure enjoys his ample free time trying to become a 'celeb' and hanging with Z-listers. Jon has had every chance to be the man he could be and he has shown what kind of man he is. He is as greedy as his wife is when it comes to $$$ and if his heart was in the right place NOTHING would hold him back from doing the right thing for his kids

Anonymous said...

I really am not sure how this works, but here goes. My "handle" or nickname is "Alice". My comment is:
I read Kate's write-up in People magazine (at a doctor's office, since I won't by the magazine right now...) and was struck by how much her comments sounded like that of a relative that divorced. Over the years this individual was married, I noticed that the wife was the absolute ruler of the household. The husband was expected to do as he was told or else. The wife always said she was not controlling and may have actually believed this. Other couples in the area showed the same behaviour and my relative was told that this is a cultural thing. Women are in charge of the household and the men either go along or are dumped. Now, the trend is to just live with a guy to get pregnant and then dump them, avoiding the whole divorce thing. Whether or not my observations apply to Jon and Kate, I am not sure, but after reading the magazine interview, I truly believe they would have divorced even without the show. It may have taken longer, but it would have happened. Yes, Jon and Kate are both immature, and my relatives were also. Neither set of parents grew up before having children and were more interested in their own needs than their childrens. However, it does seem to be a cultural thing that was made worse by being in the spotlight.
I don't know if this is worth posting, but after reading the Kate interview, I really changed the way I looked at this situation. It's not unique to this couple or their children--my relatives lived off their kids too, though not to this degree. Children are possessions--"MY kids" means just that. It all sounded very familiar.
Alice

readerlady said...

I just got back from having a hurry-up dinner with a friend. Seated nearby was a family with 7 little ones who appeared to be ages 8 or 9 down to about 2, including what appeared to be a set of triplets (or else identical twin girls with a brother very close in age and size). All but the littlest one sat on regular chairs, the younger ones did have the restaurant cups with the crazy straws, but there wasn't a bib in sight. All but the littlest ordered their own meal, they all, including the youngest used real knives and forks and spoons and exhibited excellent table manners, and we didn't hear a single raised voice, although there appeared to be an animated discussion (including everyone) going on. Couldn't help but contrast these kiddos with the 8. What a shame the G kids can't experience life with a real family.

FoodNetworkFan said...

My oh my. Miss Katie Irene, Hailey Glassman is heads and shoulders above you. That girl is all kinds of classy. See, Miss Katie, that's how you do it. You go on tv and be honest. AND you wear a nice blazer and pants -- NOT a skimpy dress and prostitution heels. AND you tone down your tan and look presentable. Nana always used to say that you can dress up a piece of poo, but it's still a piece of poo. Wow, I never realized how true that was until just this moment. Praise be God that Jon sees those kids. At least he's teaching them how to be real people with real morals.

Annies said...

PR said--

Kate was raised in a Calvary Chapel church, latter she and Jon may have attended a Church of God denomination church.
I believe I read that Jon was raised Catholic, although that could be wrong.

Sorry PR but you are dead wrong.Kate's Dad was a pastor at Calvary Bible Fellowship, not the same as Calvary Chapel. The Bible Fellowship churches are not associated with them. They never then went to a Church Of God church, they went to an Assembly Of God huge church near Wyomissing PA.They no longer attend there. In fact, I do not believe they go to any church at all which is another situation the kids lose out on, as they loved their Sunday School and friends there.

fidosmommy said...

I can't find where this was posted, so I'm sorry if nobody knows what I'm talking about.....

Awhile back, somebody asked if Jon and Kate Plus 8 was so fake in its presentation, what about the other reality shows, such as Cake Boss - the writer said "could there really be that much drama?".

I have my doubts about Cake Boss.
If they are making real cakes for real clients, where are their hair nets? The women have hair falling down over their eyes. I don't know of any health code for commercial food businesses that would put up with that. Even the men with short hair should be wearing some kind of hat. And there are no gloves on their hands, either, while they are handling food to be eaten by the public.

I just find it odd, that's all.

BTW, I really like the show. It's on right now.

fidosmommy said...

I don't remember seeing any other kids in their Sunday School class. All I remember seeing was Gosselin children sitting on the floor. I saw lots of other kids in the hallways, though.

I could be wrong. It's happened before.

S said...

Foodnetworkfan said:

'At least he's teaching them to be real people with real morals'

Please. How is Jon teaching his kids to be 'real people' when they are living a Truman show-esque existence? KON are teaching their kids to take and not give, they are teaching them dishonesty and are teaching them that parents are not always mature adults who make rational decisions. Where are Jon's 'morals' as a married man (not divorced yet!) subjecting his kids to a slew of unfavorable publicity due to his affairs and poor judgement? Real morals do not include exploiting your children!

stopthemadness said...

Hailey Glassman was to the manner born - her dad's a plastic surgeon, she probably doesn't need coaching on how to be presentable or to behave with upper middle class manners - even tho her choices aren't that great she is only a young woman, she's not a mother yet. I would imagine if Hailey came across well on her interview that Kate would be extremely threatened. Hailey tkes for granted all that stuff Kate's had to sell her children's childhood for. AND she got Kate's husband. I wonder if we'll see some bad actions or bad blood between those two. If Hailey stays in Jon's life and more, in the kids' lives, then I bet we will!

stopthemadness said...

It is hilarious to me that TLC has anything to say about Jon's behavior - he's an adult man, he's not their slave, contract or no contract. It's telling that they view his leaving his family as the same level of irritant they view him wearing Ed Hardy t shirts. Just care about how it affects the SHOW. Never mind how them being there using this family to get millions of dollars in sponsorships etc affects the family or how growing up with your every move and your poor little constipated rear end on film for the whole world to see affects you.

How many of these reality families actually stay together? I think the Duggar's have a shot at it, poor Michelle seems knocked in the head with religion, but other than them, haven't quite a lot of these folks split up or the show ended? What happened to the Little People Big World family? Finally chucked TLC out? Matt and Amy seemed headed for trouble, with the parents fighting and Matt getting his DUI -then the show ended - maybe they put their marriage and family first.

I wonder just how far TLC would go to make the show interesting and foment some type of discord and "conflict" in order to get ratings. They seem to have no morals whatsoever as long as they can get away with saying the kids arent working and are the parents' property - parents can make decisions for them - they are happy to just stand back and watch or even poke the hornets nest with a stick if not enough interesting is going on.

I think we will see some kind of fall out this year. Kate calling cops and going ballistic trying to get in and interfere with Jon's custody time is the tip of the iceberg. If that whole scene was done on purpose then shame on them. But I don't think it was. I think Kate cannot stand Jon having any indpendence from her control, and TLC knows that, and will feed that. They are walking on thin ice though, where what is "interesting" to their "Fans" - watching them fight and hurt each other and their children - meets what is illegal, immoral, and a bad idea. Why would TLC want to push that envelope? I hope those kids get lawyers, soon. I'd love to see Mady walk in to the interview and demand a new contract just for her, or she will not agree to be filmed.

Snerk said...

I heard LPBW would be returning this fall. Of course, things could have changed since I heard that. There has obviously been some discord in Roloff land. As we've learned, if we're given a hint of discord on the show, there is perhaps ten times more or even more than that going on.

MayDay said...

How funny on All My Children today and a dig about Kate. Erica Kane was meeting with her producer of her talk show and they were going over the guest list. The producer said that next week the mother of 9 kids were going to be on the show. (You know there were referencing Kate, just one kid off) Erica says "Oh no are you kidding-we're giving that women more publicity? And shouldn't she be home looking after her children?" Producer's answer- Ratings gold!! Krystal comes over to Erica's table and says "You're right those kids have had enough publicity!" Of course Krystal had kids from Africa that she wanted Erica to talk about on her show. Much more worthwhile cause than promoting the mother with 8 or 9 kids. I wish I could get it off DVR and on YouTube. It is a great dig to Kate. From one diva to another. You rock Erica Kane!!!

Concerned Canadian Mom said...

I know much of what I am about to write quite possibly has been discussed previously here. However, I was interested in viewing some "Ugly Moments" from several seasons, of J&K (I'm not a regular watcher of the show as you can tell).

I saw so many instances where Kate said the most ridiculous and contrary things. Here are a few gems:
"Only men in the house put gas in the cars. Isn't that normal in every household?" (haven't we seen your not-so-modest dressed body flashing the Paps whilst you fill your gas tank DAILY Kate?)

"It's like the unwritten trash rule, only men in the house take out the trash" (we now have the pleasure of witnessing her baby-doll dress clad body, ~gag~ remove the trash to the curb)

"Don't walk on the hotel room floor with your bare feet, that's just NASTY and we don't do that" (interesting how she is always photographed barefoot running around her property) THAT'S just NASTY KATE!!!!

There are oodles more things, but my point being, she is such a liar, she can't keep up with her own lies!!!

She and TLC will not get my vote or viewership!! All that we have learned from TLC is that reality is not really real!!

Move over Kate, it's time someone worth watching took your place!

organizedblogroll said...

Ok, I for one, am tired of all their tacky drama, and am done.

I'm sick of the freebies, her "avoidance" of the P. People (yea, right) and Jon doing things that make my skin crawl where the children are concerned.

done, done, done.

Not a fan of either said...

This is a ridiculous observation, but I could not help thinking about it today while running errands and drinking iced coffee (it's hot as heck here). I don't know what Kate is drinking in those Starbucks cups and Figi water bottles, but if that was me I'd be looking for bathrooms all day long!!! She must have a bladder like a camel. Oh great. Now I've mentioned her bladder. Well, I just don't have much more to say about these two. I think I've said it all.

I'd Talk Forever said...

He seems like a great, caring dad, young, a gentleman, who no longer has to sit back and take it from this woman.
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I suppose it would depend on one's definition of a "gentleman." A long, long time ago, a gentleman was a man who came from a respectable background, lived on an estate and never had to work. Applying that definition to today, yes, he would be a gentleman.

However, by today's definition, a gentleman is a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior. Somehow I'm not really seeing how his behavior is gentlemanly -- maybe I'm seeing a different Jon, but the one who has put himself out there conforms to anything but a high standard.

Huh? said...

stopthemadness said...

It is hilarious to me that TLC has anything to say about Jon's behavior - he's an adult man, he's not their slave, contract or no contract. It's telling that they view his leaving his family as the same level of irritant they view him wearing Ed Hardy t shirts. Just care about how it affects the SHOW. Never mind how them being there using this family to get millions of dollars in sponsorships etc affects the family or how growing up with your every move and your poor little constipated rear end on film for the whole world to see affects you.

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Why is it surprising that TLC has anything to say about Jon's behavior? There is very likely a morals clause in the contract, as that is very common. This isn't a unique situation. Look at professional athletes. Their teams certainly have a say in how they conduct themselves on and off the court/field/whatever.

Mia M said...

What has become of the bodyguard, Mr Black? I notice he has disappeared from Kate's presence and wonder if he left on his own accord or was dismissed by the Queen?

Robyn said...

In response to Fidosmommy saying that people need red meat in their diet, especially children...you could not be more wrong. I have not eaten red meat for 17 years and am in perfect health. I had 2 perfect pregnancies which resulted in 3 beautiful children who are also vegetarians. My children are a healthy weight and have more than enough protein, calcium and iron in their diets. Not to defend anything that Kate does but people are too quick to wrongly judge about what she feeds the kids. What we have seen of their diet is much healthier than what the average American child (who generally suffers from obesity, poor muscle tone, and vitamin deficiency) eats.

Just had to stick up for all those people out there who choose not to feed their children red meat.

fidosmommy said...

Robyn, I respect your choice to be a vegetarian. I was one for 25 years, and very happily. However, it caused me many health problems, with anemia being only one of them.
I am paying the price now for the choice to not eat meat. It took a lot of years to catch up with me, but when it did, it hit hard.

I hope you and your children fare better than I did.

Truthfully, if my health would let me, I would be back on a vegetarian diet in a NY minute.
I prefer it, but the health consequences aren't interested in my preferences.

Peace.

goawayfools said...

Not a Jon or Kate fan but just saw part of hailey's interview on E and found her to be adorable and lovable. She did not come off as particularly sophisticated, not a surprise since she is still so young. However she was unpretentious, uncomplicated, and radiated warmth, sweetness, and sincerity. Unlike Kate, she is feminine, engaging, kind, and charming. I can see why Jon is attracted to her; she must be a breath of fresh air for him after living with the castrating evil bitch that is Kate.

Janice G said...

I find it's harder for me to give up this show than it was for me to give up cigarettes. But i'm hanging in there.

If the ratings on tonight's show suck, will Kate chalk it up to the "yukky boys"?

I'd Talk Forever said...

What we have seen of their diet is much healthier than what the average American child (who generally suffers from obesity, poor muscle tone, and vitamin deficiency) eats.
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Really? I didn't know that! Three grapes, two cuke slices, three nacho chips, two chunks of canteloupe, and juicy juice is healthier than what the average American child eats? Why is it, then, that they are "bribed" with treats -- or just one M&M? Why do these children seem to be craving food? Something must be missing from their diets! I seem to remember them digging into crab legs, hamburgers, hotdogs, ANYTHING to fill their little bellies!
What DOES the "average" American child eat?

You don't eat meat? said...

I just KNEW at the mention of MEAT that people would start coming out of the woodwork as vegetarians. It was inevitable. Lets all stop this madness now. Eat what you want, lets just not go down the meat path, please. It is a volatile subject and no one will agree.

To meat or not to meat said...

Please no more talk about meat or no meat. No one will ever agree.
All that was meant was that Kate never feeds vegetables or a large amt. of protein. That's it.
I just had a feeling that the mention of no meat would blow up as some can get very defensive about it if they don't eat meat.
Lets all agree to drop it.

Rabbit food for the kids said...

Robyn, I think you may be overreacting. It was Kate herself who said that during her pregancy she constantly ate bacon, was told she HAD to. If YOU choose not to eat meat, that's your choice. But Kate is far from a vegetarian, she's just lazy and cheap.

Not good for all said...

As a nurse I have seen more vegetarians with stomach trouble than any other dietary intake.
It might work for some, but not for all. Let's not go down that path, please.

Kids need food said...

Who in God's name feeds their kids the crap that Kate dished up for those poor children. The same few meager grapes, crackers, cheese cubes and juice, with an occational yogert. Hardly substantial. Comeon folks.

You eat meat? said...

lol..nothing to be afraid of if there are some vegetarians on the site! Relax meat eaters:)

RM said...

As a physician I have seen many health related issues attributed to consumption of meat products. I do think the issue between vegetarians and meat consumers should be able to be discussed without such fuss in the appropriate topic format of course

fidosmommy said...

Sorry for starting up this discussion by suggesting the Gosselin children eat more red meat. I didn't intend to begin
a meat/no meat conversation.

How about this: they need good quality protein from whatever source it comes. And vegetables -
lots of brightly colored vegetables. And whole grains of some sort - I don't see them eating much rice or bread, but then again, that might come at dinnertime, which we don't see. I hope they get enough calcium - they eat yogurt. They seem to do pretty well in the fruit department, eating grapes, apples, strawberries, blueberries and bananas.

These children need lots of strength, since their parents are riding on their backs all the way to the bank.

Posted By said...

Annie said Sorry PR but you are dead wrong.Kate's Dad was a pastor at Calvary Bible Fellowship, not the same as Calvary Chapel. The Bible Fellowship churches are not associated with them. They never then went to a Church Of God church, they went to an Assembly Of God

Thank you for the correction, but could I just be "wrong" without the "dead?"

Sympathy Card said...

After seeing the previews for the next new J&K+8, I don't think it will be long until TLC drops them. It looks like this entire season is going to be Can-Do Kate taking the kids on even more free trips...doing it all by herself with the help of her ever-growing staff. Even the sheeple are going to tire of this format very quickly.

stopthemadness said...

I don't think TLC has any right to say a thing about Jon's current bahavior, morals "clause" or not - this isn't the NFL, but if there is a morals cause, those are left wide open for interpretation. They don't say "You shall never date" they talk in vague terms about doing or not don't thing that reflect discredit on the show, the sponsors etc. I would imagine some outrageous behavior would violate that clause, but they have no right to an opinion on what this divorcing father does, specifically. Jon would not sign an agreement to never date while the show continues -but even if he did, if tv stars all followed their morals contracts it would be very surprising, there would be no cheating, no drugs etc whereas we all know that is far from the case. I would love to see the contract actually. Too bad we can't get our hands on that. They had no idea what Jon would be likely to do or how much attention his behavior would get from the paparazi. He will be seeing TLC as someonwhat of the enemy here - he IS the one who wanted the show to end as he was not happy.
The main moral they are intersted in has to do with 'Don't do anything that will cause sponsors not to sponsor us or will make ratings drop' they don't give a crap about his lifestyle apart from that. What they HATE is that this former whipping boy meek little servant has come out of the box and they can't control him, they can't control using his behavior and spinning it to make Kate look good, and they always hung their hopes on Kate, spinning off her book, cooking show etc. Now Jon is out there and he could easily break his contract and go to another network in some Rock of Love type nonsense or just basically life his life IN SPITE OF instead of with the permission and scripting of, TLC and that is what makes them mad. He can date cute young girls - so what, they are single and over 21 - he can wear whatever shirt he wants - his friends can come to the Konpound and hang out proving it was Kate who kept them away, they can give interviews - TLC is losing control. This has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with manipulation, control and exploitation. Jon is not playing ball as much as they would like, so they are upset. BOO HOO for them. They have helped drive this family into the ground and they can deal with the fallout. Any person or organization who defends the child abuse and exploitation but then has a hissy about his shirt or his leaving Kate doesn't deserve any respect and they sure don't get mine.

Someone come forward said...

All it would take to quickly tank the show is for someone who really knew Kate to just come forward and tell it all. It would be so damaging to TLC, that no amount of coverup could resurrect the show. It would once and for all expose how mentally unstable she really is, and the show is history.

Jennifer D said...

I need to vent about a few topics regarding KATE:

She is NOT a poor "single mother"....99% of single mothers don't have assistants, nannies, cooks, drivers, house cleaners....etc.

She does NOT have a "career"...she had a brief stint signing books and speaking a well rehearsed and boring speech. A "career" involves childcare issues, a 40 to 70 WORK week (work: not what she is doing)struggling to figure out how to fit in grocery shopping, planning meals, family needs, etc. etc. A career involves SACRIFICE.

ok, I feel better now...I tried to get that across on the Jon and Kate Facebook page and it was maddening.

marypoppins said...

fidosmommy said...
I don't remember seeing any other kids in their Sunday School class. All I remember seeing was Gosselin children sitting on the floor. I saw lots of other kids in the hallways, though.

I could be wrong. It's happened before.
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Either they have a private class
OR
The classroom is cleared of kids just for the filming.

I would guess the 2nd choice.

Connie said...

@stopthemadness

I applaud and ITA with your rant! :) You hit the nail on the head!

Jon+Kate=Hate said...

It has been speculated that Kate hooked up with Jon because they would have "ethnic looking" kids. Kate has admitted how she would like to be Korean, etc., etc. I think she even went so far as to point out a "fact" that the Asian features are dominant... or something to that effect.

My husband is 1/2 Japanese, 1/2 European descent. Me.. I'm so white I'm transparent. As a result, our daughter is 1/4 Japanese. (Just like the Gosselin kids are 1/4 Korean) If you were to see my daughter, you would never guess she's got any Japanese in her. She's got light brown hair, hazel eyes, and a fair complexion. That being said, she has a couple cousins who are the same mix as her, and one you could totally pass off as a Gosselin, the other (his sister) is a red head.

My point is, Kate got "lucky" (her opinion). I wonder if her kids turned out looking like her if she would have tried to market them, or shop a tv show like has been speculated also.

That has bothered me for a while, so thanks for letting me get that off my chest!

Just My Two Canadian Cents said...

I always thought it odd that Jon and Kate renewed their vows in Hawaii on their NINTH anniversary as most people/couples would wait for a milestone year - like the tenth anniversary - for a vow renewal ceremony and/or big trip to celebrate. It was odd to go all out for the "ninth." I remember thinking I wonder if TCL is doing the Hawaii/vow renewal show now as their might not be a tenth anniversary to celebrate! I think the reputations of TLC, Jon, Kate, Hayley have all taken a beating and have all lost credibility with the public. The truth about this family will never be known but I suspect the marriage was long over when they renewed their vows in Hawaii. At least the "love offerings" have stopped.

fidosmommy said...

Well, I once again saw a totally naked Hannah getting her "unnawears" changed after her accident. Sheesh. Can't they just
edit the naked kids parts out of their reruns? I can't believe the world gets a peek at these children's naked bodies over and over. Pity them when some classmate watches the DVD's in a couple of years and pushes one of the children over the emotional edge with the teasing.

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