One Down Seven to Go

There obviously is no shame in the Gosselin, TLC, or one of the weekly magazine's camp. As shown here, Mady has already been singled out. When will one of these groups pay attention to the children's needs, wants, wishes, and desires? Word on the street is that she had to cry for five minutes just get a bathroom break at the Jonas Bros concert. This is after the infamous drink of water from months back. These are all public episodes. What do the children have to go through to get private attention?

124 comments:

Kat_momof3 said...

And sadly, the print may be overly critical of a child, but they see which parent knows this child better... and it is her now increasingly absent father who wants to go relive the youth he squandered.

This is a child craving and crying out for attention.

Instead of listening to her obvious need for quiet time alone with her parents and other more positive attentions, they just keep giving only the negative or encouraging her to seek attention from cameras and media for money.

What does this teach a child, especially an impressionable girl who wants love and attention she's not getting? That she should do what she's asked unquestioningly or she will not get the love and attention she desires.

And that, friends, is a dangerous dangerous path to go down.

How many people became teenage mothers, drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. because of such personalities that were not helped with teaching how to get attention and when not to seek it? I know I became a mother sooner than I should have and did a lot of other things I'm not proud of that, looking back, were from similar parenting.

I see so much sometimes of myself and of my middle child, also an attention seeker, in Mady.

But what's worse, by having a child so like Mady, yet so different, I see what she could be, if she had loving reinforcement, if she had the patience, the reverence, and even some talk therapy (some kids just need more attention than others... someone objective to just talk to and not worry what that person will think of from a duty to a sibling or someone else).

If they want trained seals or animals, then the dogs would have been better to get INSTEAD of the kids, not in addition to them.

These children are too young to be trotted out for command performances.

Documentaries and reality can be fun... when there are children, though, it all too quickly becomes too much... and with the Gosselins, that time came a few years ago.

Thank you for reading this.

Sharla said...

This is IMHO long overdue, but why aren't all eight going? Is Kate still trying to hide the truth from the younger ones?

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1682622,CST-FTR-zp24.article

Momof2boys said...

My heart just breaks. I thought about the twins this morning as I have a 9 year who has started to "act" preteen. It is such a hard time for kids in "normal" situation, and a time where they need to learn good from bad, right from wrong, and unconditional love. I am hoping that someone steps in for all the kids, but especially the twins right now, who need their parents primary concern to be their emotional welfare! IF asked, they would probably trade the limo and the Jonas Bros. concert for a day with their parents undivided attention... money and things don't buy happiness (obviously)!

TVsnark said...

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Anne said...

I was just as disgusted with the second magazine clip about them staging goodbyes. How effed up are those kids going to be by the time this all ends? At what point is this kind of crap considered child abuse? Mental and emotional child abuse?!!

Get a REAL job, Jon! said...

My heart is breaking for these children.

They are going to be SO confused because it looks like Jand K will be together sometimes for filming...and then not together on other days!

Jon is vile. He makes my skin crawl!

Watch out said...

This is only the beginning of rebellion with Mady, she is far too aware of what is going on and she adored her father for sure, as far as repeating it out in the open on the live tv show Kate had them on last year. Watch out with this one, I have a feeling Jon is going to have to raise her himself.

Exposed said...

THIS folks, is going to be the end of the show. Not by Kate or Jon's hand, but by the twins refusing to cooperate, and exposing the whole charade.

Grow up said...

Kate and her crew should have DRIVEN themselves to the Jonas Bros. show, but to come in a limo was probably very embarrassing to the twins to be made a spectacle of.
Kate grow UP!

Mia said...

I read an article in the Chicago Sun Times about the kids and how they are hurting. They have been acting out and dislike Hailey, who they have met. I am disgusted with Jon and Kate and really repulsed that Jon is holed up in the Hamptons. At least 2 of his kids are getting counselling..he should be spending more time with his sad,confused kids and LESS time being so selfish and immature!

TVsnark said...

So now it is also public knowledge that the twins are in therapy. I swear, nothing is sacred with these parents. That should be private and not discussed in a newspaper article.

I knew GWOP had a huge following but by the hits I'm getting on my blog, I greatly underestimated your members.

Laurie said...

Unfortunately they don't need the twins for the show to continue. The tups are the money-makers and since they're only 5 Kon can keep on filming them because this is all they've ever known. The tups have been isolated from the world and to them this is normal. Maybe they will have a chance to form their own opinions when they start pre-k and are away from Kon for a couple of days a week. This is a sad situation.

If Every Word said...

Kate and her crew should have DRIVEN themselves to the Jonas Bros. show, but to come in a limo was probably very embarrassing to the twins to be made a spectacle of.


Kate couldn't drive from Reading to the Wachovia Center in Philly. This would mean driving on the Schuylkill Expressway. Remember, she once said that she doesn't do two-lane highways and is really reluctant to take on such a challenge. I think that she better take some driver's ed classes and LEARN to navigate these roads, or those limo fees are really going to add up now that she doesn't have hubby to do all the chauffering.

not an enabler said...

We are watching 8 little kids' emotional health got deteriorated. Nobody is doing anything to help.

If you really care about those 8 kids' wellbeing as you say you care, you should change the channel and never tune in to watch the show.

The show's fate is solely based on the viewership. If the rating is low, the show will be canceled. It's just that simple.

How hard is it to change the channel? How hard is it to not watch?

If you are really that curious who is getting a divorce or new shirt, what's the worry? It will be on the internet next day anyway. You will not be able to avoid knowing what's happening even if you want to. You don't have to sit through the show and contribute to those children's misery.

If you watch the show, you are an enabler. You are rewarding trashy Kate's behaviors. She will not stop or change for the better because she is rewarded with high ratings, that leads to money and freebies. Why would she change? Slimeball Jon is on the exact same page as his ex wife, he enjoys easy money and couldn't care less about the kids' mental health.

What mental health? What wellbeing? These two ignorant lazy greedy stage parents have no clue what that means and don't give a flying @#$#.

Jon and Kate make sure as long as the kids are fed, have clothes on their back, only got hit on the butt not other areas, legally can't not accuse them of abusing their children. So what they yell at the kids a lot, what can we do about it? Verbal abuse is in the gray area, it's not illegal.

It's like that movie, "The Truman Show", comes to life. The sextuplets are monitored, used, and exploited since they were born.

Lara said...

EOnline has a post about the possibility of Jon getting a solo reality show for himself..my oh my have we all been conned! Jon must have loved the perception that he was so beaten down that he had no choice but to escape his marriage. It seems more apparent that Jon got a big taste of greed and wanted out of his marriage to explore his options. Will we be seeing a casting call for young girls who will be dating Jon ala Flavor Flav or the Bachelor? I am so disgusted. Jon does not have the appeal to carry a show on his own and the thought of it is beyond creepy. This guy has sold his kids down the river..they are working and he is happy to be away playing games with the media, continuing his unemployment and frankly, humiliating his family beyond repair. He should be ashamed that while his kids suffer the pain of parents going through a divorce, kids in counselling etc..that his main priority continues to be HIMSELF. I wonder how he will explain all this to his kids one day and if they will even want to hear it at all

Just Wondering said...

Actually, counseling for children is a very responsible thing for a parent to do in the midst of a separation and a divorce. I'm shocked and somewhat appalled that it is viewed as a negative here. Don't add to the stigma please. There are many children of divorce and many of them have benefited from having a neutral third-party counselor to speak to.

What is actually also very troubling is that Zwecker and other bloggers have chosen to report that the girls are in counseling. Why not leave this information out of the public eye?

Snap!!! said...

I have regular kids- happy- well adjusted- But if you had cameras in their faces all day- especially when they were younger- I'm sure there would have been articles written about them! My oldest is easy going, popular, made honor role and is going to university in the fall- doesn't he sound great? But he was alot like Mady when he was younger- Thankfully he was able to grow up- in private and become his own person. Mady will always have a label attached to her. Kids grow up and change but they need privacy!! It must be difficult to parent a child when the world is watching. Mady should be sent to her room- then after a few minutes she should have a quiet discussion with her parent about proper behavior. This cannot be done with cameras on. Get rid of the show and save the kids....

kitty said...

Ugh. Those poor girls. (well, all the children, really, but specifically the twins right now) Therapy is good, good thing, but it should be a private thing, especially for girls their age. I sincerely hope their classmates are kind and compassionate. Hopefully the teachers have set up a nurturing, safe environment for them at school.

Yes, Mady acts out at times. In most families, you have the one child who acts out from time to time, but she is the one who is only saying what all the others wish they had guts to say. Mady's passion is not a bad thing. It needs to channeled in positive ways. She does NOT need to be labeled, especially by her parents, as the "bad one."

I am a teacher and I actually enjoy children like Mady. Once they bond with you, they are yours for life. They will twice as hard as the others to please you. Generally, they act out because they feel things so much more deeply than others do. They are often very bright too, seeing and taking note of what others are oblivious to.

twins said...

Any kid would trade Jonas Brothers toys for parents getting along with each other. I know I would.

Divorce usually means toxic atmosphere at home. Very few parents can be cordial and civil. Certainly not Jon and Kate. Both are hot-headed, especially Kate.

Sometimes either parent is in bad mood in front of the kids even if the ex is not in the same room or same house. It's very negative. I have experienced. I rather have peaceful household everyday than Jonas Brothers and toys. I could just play mud and still be happy as long as both parents are kind and loving to me.

Tess said...

@Just Wondering

I would think the negative is not about the kids getting counselling..the negative is why they have to get counselling, why do they continue to be exploited, used and manipulated? Why are their parents so selfish and why do they continue to put these kids through painful scrutiny? Why is Jon so self absorbed and immature that he does not see what he is doing to his kids? There is NO WAY this is not affecting them..that I believe is what has people very angry, and rightly so

dustilies said...

Responding to Every Word's comment about Kate's reluctance to take on the challenge of highway driving . . . this sounds to me like a driving phobia (I know cause I have had one, and pretty well conquered it). A driving phobia goes beyond a normal dislike of driving with big trucks or through confusing intersections to something more like a panic reaction when you think about driving a car. The fix is not driver ed, if you already do have a license; cognitive behavior therapy does wonders for most phobias. And many drivaphobes make a decision that they will not take on the eight-lane beltways around major cities--they find the scenic route around them.

That's interesting about Kate, since a lot of driving fears are about trust: trusting yourself to be able to react well and avoid accidents, trusting other drivers will, at least most of the time, actually stop at red lights, etc. Since she can drive some kinds of roads, she just needs to stretch a bit. But that means admitting you have a block that is limiting you, and that's hard for anyone who's life is in such turmoil, especially a control freak like Kate.

But it does suggest that she has some profound self-doubts in the wellspring of her toxic domestic behavior.

And I agree that one of the hardest parts about divorce is learning to take on the tasks and skills that "belonged" to your ex.

ForeverHopeful said...

Mady seems to be the most sensitive of all the kids and also the most intuitive. It would stand to reason that she'd be most affected by everything that has been going on in the household. Mady was the "canary in the coalmine" the whole time! We all SHOULD have picked up on that earlier as we watched episode after episode of meltdowns!

Because of all this, it stands to reason that Mady KNEW something was up. It was "inconvenient" for Jon and Kate for Mady to really know these things, so Mady was always being labeled "having a meltdown."

Well, DAMN!!! Thank God she DID have her meltdowns! I'll bet she was the one that tipped off Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin WAAAAAY back when!

Mady is the "squeeky wheel", and THANK GOODNESS for that! I'm just sorry that it's HER turn to be called out in all the tabloids. No kid should be subjected to that.

HannaBelleLechter said...

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1682622,CST-FTR-zp24.article

Sharla, I think the "TLC Insider" sharing all these "real moments" is very interesting.

We've been told over and over that in order to work on J&K + 8, crew members, directors/producers, craft services, EVERYBODY needs to sign confidentiality agreements. Supposedly that's why Jen and Scott haven't said peep in all this upheaval.

But now we're getting first-person accounts. LOL! It's just part of the plan that TLC is orchestrating. Publicity out the yazoo. Jon painted as bad guy/Kate as harried mom, going it alone. Lovingly bringing the twins to the shrink. Kate cares SO much.

"TLC Insider" my ass. TLC really should be ashamed of itself.

um said...

Is that snippet true? About TLC filming Kate's leaving for the show's sake? Are you freaking KIDDING me?

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Sure Mady and Cara are in therapy, thanks to Kate. Kate is the one that told the kids that by her and Jon renewing their vows, that they would be together forever. Mady and Cara are confused. Jon never told Mady and Cara anything like that, because Jon knew better. Jon might be acting like a wild and crazy guy right now, but I do believe that all those kids favor Jon over Kate.

2badsosad said...

Just Wondering said...
Actually, counseling for children is a very responsible thing for a parent to do in the midst of a separation and a divorce. I'm shocked and somewhat appalled that it is viewed as a negative here. Don't add to the stigma please. There are many children of divorce and many of them have benefited from having a neutral third-party counselor to speak to.

What is actually also very troubling is that Zwecker and other bloggers have chosen to report that the girls are in counseling. Why not leave this information out of the public eye?


I agree that counseling is a must for the twins, and IMO should be a consideration for ALL the Gosselin children. However, IMO, as long as these children are subjected to a life of exploitation via a reality tv show and made a specticle of via the hands of their parents and the media , the progress of their therapy will ALWAYS be one step forward and two steps back. IMO, it is impossible for the Gosselin children to come to terms with anything in their life as long as they continue to carry the burden of what got them there in the first place! Additionally, it would seem rather difficult for a child to come to terms with whatever 'issues' come their way, when their very own parents refuse to acknowledge/accept their own personal accountability/contributions as to what prompted the necessity for their child needing therapy in the first place. We have to remember, the PARENTS, ie J & K are the ones that said, the CHILDREN have no problem with cameras in their home and in their face because THIS is THEIR 'normal'.

Bev said...

It's just disgusting. I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to watch this show or even keep a close eye on what the Gosselins are doing. They are sick parents... both of them. If I were a family member I would sue them in court for custody even if I knew I would lose just to make a point. They are not fit to be parents. They both have issues. Not only did they sell their souls for money and Hollywood they sold their children's lives and those children had no choice. Kate Gosselin you should be ashamed...it's just sick.

Wondering in New England said...

"This is IMHO long overdue, but why aren't all eight going? Is Kate still trying to hide the truth from the younger ones?

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1682622,CST-FTR-zp24.article"

While my heart does go out to the children because they are the true victims in this huge charade. However, the one area in this article that I disagree with is that the tups were acting up.

I used to watch the show and in my opinion, the tups always acted up. They screamed, yelled, hit, grabbed toys from other children, had temper tantrums etc...

I'm not diminishing how the children are reacting to recent events. I'm just pointing out that the Jon and Kate have never been good parents. They acted oblivious to the upbringing of their children from the beginning. I guess I would question why now, the national media has suddenly taken notice of these problems now, rather than season one?

Mike Rowe Fan said...

HannaBelleLechter said...
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1682622,CST-FTR-zp24.article

Sharla, I think the "TLC Insider" sharing all these "real moments" is very interesting.

We've been told over and over that in order to work on J&K + 8, crew members, directors/producers, craft services, EVERYBODY needs to sign confidentiality agreements. Supposedly that's why Jen and Scott haven't said peep in all this upheaval.

But now we're getting first-person accounts. LOL! It's just part of the plan that TLC is orchestrating. Publicity out the yazoo. Jon painted as bad guy/Kate as harried mom, going it alone. Lovingly bringing the twins to the shrink. Kate cares SO much.

"TLC Insider" my ass. TLC really should be ashamed of itself.

7/24/2009 4:58 PM


What ever happened to Jen and Scott?

If Every Word said...

A driving phobia goes beyond a normal dislike of driving with big trucks or through confusing intersections to something more like a panic reaction when you think about driving a car.

Or it could just be that she's always been taken care of, and never had any desire to drive. Why should she? She's depended on him to do "what all good husbands do who love their wives." Maybe that was a statement about gassing up the car, but I would bet that she would also apply it to husbands doing the driving. It's what they are SUPPOSED to do!
If she's going to tackle the art of grilling and tent setting-up, then shouldn't driving be on the list of things to do herself?

incorrectmarie said...

This article made it clear to me that I have 180ed I opinion on two members of this family. Jon for obvious reasons (good to bad) and Mady (bad to good). I always felt she was the one child in the group that liked trouble.

But think about it. Parents are usually encouraged to wait about a year before getting pregnant again. Had there been one or even two more, I doubt it would have been an issue to this scale. But instead she got 6 new siblings in a time that she was understanding her place in the family. It has been mentioned that the twins were not happy about sharing mom's and daddy's attention. That's a normal reaction, but 6 kids at once is just overwhelming for the twins.

Mady likely got the wrath because her actions would be compared to Cara's. They have completely different personalities! They dealt with the situation differently.

Bad way of saying it but I am completely on Team Mady as well as Team 8.

C'villeGa mom said...

I used to watch the show and in my opinion, the tups always acted up. They screamed, yelled, hit, grabbed toys from other children, had temper tantrums etc...

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I agree, but maybe they are acting up even more now. They have not had any smiles on their little faces in a long time.

I have worked with children in a school system, ages 4-8, and children like Mady need a little extra positive attention. Once they trust you they are very willing to help and please you in any way they can. It just takes a little patience and time, something Kate does not have. I have a child who is bipolar, and he needs that extra attention at times. I explain to my other child what is going on and ask him to help also. That way my youngest child does not feel left out. I make sure to never say anything negative or lose my patience. It is hard, but it can be done. Yelling aggravates the situation, the kids automatically go on the defensive. I try to stay calm and quiet while talking to them. It worked in the classroom and it works at home!

Mr. Mrs. Ms. said...

The Gosselin family is in the top 2 percent of income earners they don’t need peoplewatching (without their knowledge) support.

All they have accomplished this summer is taking the privilege from their children of having married biological parents. Its a sad life when kids have more public respect (and don't know it)than the parents.

The kids someday will decide if they can afford their parents or use them for their careers.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Kat_momof3: thanks for sharing such a beautiful post. Lots of great insight.

Sadly, it seems that in the Gosselin household, the way to 'earn' Kate's love is to, as you pointed out so well, immediately fall into line and orbit around Kate. It seems this behavior is what has earned little Hannah her spot as what sure seems to be Kate's Favorite.

Quite a bind for a child, trying to emulate the more dominant parent (obviously Kate) to, hopefully, win her approval, yet observing that the opposite behavior (docile, immediately & unquestioningly obedient, and constantly standing by to fill Mommy's needs and ego)is the way to win Mommy's love and approval. This is a crazy-making formula for a child.

I hope J&K are putting some $ aside for the psychological counselling (and bail $) that's likely in their future if they do not get their act together SOON.

I also worry that kids who are rewarded for blind obedience and allowing others to set their own emotional compass can end up being vulnerable to all kinds of perverts.

With both these parents pretty much alseep at the wheel these days while a never-ending stream of virtual strangers waltzing into and out of these kids' lives, it seems a tragedy just waiting to happen. It's scary remembering the footage of how willing the 'tups were to invite the 'crooked house' guys behind the playhouse - sweet and adorable, but yegods, I hope at least the not-a-nanny keeps a sharp eye out for these innocents. (I wish John Walsh would put in a call to Wernersville's own supposed SuperMom as a 'heads up!')

More and more it seems it wasn't 'a stick' Kate needed to 'pull out', but, rather, her head... Makes a person long for the days back when Kate seemed merely annoyingly shrill and mega- narcissistic. It's been nothing but downhill since then.

My now-deceased mom used to believe in celestial guardian angels being assigned to each child - I wish I could believe she was right.

Carezee said...

Just a thought. Since the bodyguards came with them to the concert why didn't Kate just have them drive her car if she is too afraid. They didn't have to take a limo unless they were looking for attention. Or should I say Kate was. Look at me spending time with my girls.

TVsnark said...

Not an enababler.

I can only speak for myself but I haven't watched the show since they pretended to renew their vows. That was a sham with bad acting and I knew it.

Many of the critics don't watch the show. It's the rabid fans and the people turning in that never watched before that are giving TLC ratings.

TVsnark said...

Just wondering:

Since this post links to my blog, please let me explain myself.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the girls getting therapy. I think it's wonderful and wish they had been getting help since the show began.

However, it is none of my business. It is none of your business. It is absolutely nobody's business that 9 year old girls are getting therapy. We are adults but how about when they go to school this fall? Kids are cruel and these girls already have many strikes against them.

Their classmates do not need to know that they are in therapy. They do now. HIPPA laws don't count when it's commodities we're talking about.

Ohio Buckeye said...

NotAnEnabler: You are absolutely right!

For whatever it's worth, I have already committed to never watching this horror show again. If I want to check on progress on someone finding a way to liberate the kids from their hell, I will check here on GWoP.

Just know that many of us are with you on that. We will NOT be tuning back in to J&K+8 ever again. Let us hope this helps.

Lee said...

Go Mady, Go!
Jon and Kate won't stop because they now have a divorce to finance. TLC won't stop because the ratings are phenomenal, and the sponsors can't be complaining too much with all those viewers. The State of PA may not be willing to do much because there are few guidelines protecting the children, and besides, the local economy gets a tremendous boost. So go Mady. Enlist the help of all your sibs. Rebel. Protest. Scream at the sight of a boom. Kick the shins of the camera crew. Refuse to eat craft services. Bring back the on-demand vomitting, but aim better this time. Its your house, both your parents have said so. Lock them out and go Lord of the Flies. Train the dogs to bite the ankles of security personelle and ppeople. Ditch the matching clothes. Let your hair hang in your eyes. Enter Kate's super secret lair and get your grubby little kid hands all over everything: dress the dogs in Mom's clothes, keep frogs in her tub and mice in her bed... Dad's cars have a sweet tooth and need sugar added to the gas tanks, and why not improve the paint job with colors of your own choosing. If you really want to get the 'rents steamed, steal their Iphones and trade with the photogs parked at the gate in exchange for 8 happy meals.
Liberate The Gosselin Eight.

Kannie said...

A rerun of the J-K8 'Toys R Us' episode aired today, the episode where Kate goes apeshit on Jon in front of all the other customers. In a laughable attempt to explain her spectacularly rude conduct, she tell him, "I don't notice other people". Bingo. This folks is Kate's core issue. She's so self-involved and selfish that she's completely oblivious to anyone around her, whether it's her bullied husband or her kids. All the kids, not just the eldest, will end up in need of psychological treatment down the road.

disgusted in nj said...

About K8's driving abilities - didn't she claim to have driven to downtown Philadelphia to the Touch Me Museum and to the Art Institute? Just remembered that she supposedly drove to the Sesame Street show by herself and that was in the dark. Who is she trying to fool?

TooSadToWatch said...

Kitty said:
Mady's passion is not a bad thing. It needs to channeled in positive ways. She does NOT need to be labeled, especially by her parents, as the "bad one."

I am a teacher and I actually enjoy children like Mady. Once they bond with you, they are yours for life. They will twice as hard as the others to please you. Generally, they act out because they feel things so much more deeply than others do. They are often very bright too, seeing and taking note of what others are oblivious to.


Me, too, and me, too! Truer words were never spoken!

stopchildexploitation said...

J & K have on more than one occassion said that 'the show' is a FAMILY BUSINESS and whether or not they continue was subject to a FAMILY vote. The point when Jon publicly announced that he had reservations about continuing should have accounted for at least ONE member of the FAMILY not on board. The fact that two of the Gosselin children are reported currently in therapy ( IMO not soley due to stress caused by the divorce) is a huge 'RED FLAG' that 'the show' aka 'family business' should come to an end ASAP!

TheLoserChannel said...

For a TLC 'insider' to fully acknowledge that the Gosselin children are in an emotional crisis due to their parents divorcing but yet continue to impose upon them the burden of a rigorous and invasive filming schedule is in IMO 'guilt by omission' on the part of TLC in their role in the continued exploitation of the Gosselin children!

rockypriscilla said...

If the girls are going to counseling (which I agree, we have no business knowing about) isn't there a chance that something said during their sessions can end the freak show? Aren't counselors mandated reporters? I know that there are no laws against what J & K are doing, but isn't it possible that it is way worse then we know, and may even meet the level of abuse as defined by the law?

Jacsamic said...

What a tragedy. All the children have needed professional counseling for a very long time based on what we have witnessed and heard.

I think the situation must have become so severe that someone stepped in and forced the issue with Madie. How tragic it has to come to this for anyone to help her.

My prayer for them is that their parents are forced to get them all help to recover from what has been done to them and to give them the tools to survive what comes next.

Ohio Buckeye said...

Lee, your post brought me laugh, and lord knows we could all use one watching this whole debacle unravel. Loved your "go all 'Lord of the Flies'" - humor (even gallows humor) sometimes helps people persevere.

TVSnark: Excellent point about HIPAA being nonapplicable for commodities like The Gosselin Eight.

So disheartening to live in a world where parents who constantly and oh-so-conspicuously raise the 'Everything we do is for our children' flag, while all the while setting their kids up for pain and failure.

Pamela Jaye said...

was watching Extra and they said the twins are in therapy (who knows if that's even true).
If it's true - good! Someone is going to have to deprogram them from Kate, and the sooner they get started...

There's a line from an ep of Grey's Anatomy where a girl had a very demanding mother and Meredith is calling social services to get her counseling. It's "you don't know this yet, but life isn't supposed to be like this; it's not supposed to be this hard."
When I was that age, I didn't know it either.

Pamela Jaye said...

Off topic slightly - could someone tell me the *name* of the episode with Gum-gate? I saw it long ago, but I don't want to have to watch every ep again (I REALLY don't) in order to see it. And I do want to see it. (it's not primetime, maybe they won't count me)
thanks

Mom's distracted said...

Don't forget when Jon brought Cara alone with him for a father/daughter trip to Utah to go skiing and snowboarding, they were completely alone, just the two of them. Yet when Kate was taking Mady to Calif. for their mother/dauthter trip, Steve Neild was there the whole time. Mady did not and could not feel special, while Mom's attention was elsewhere

Rebecca said...

"If they want trained seals or animals, then the dogs would have been better to get INSTEAD of the kids, not in addition to them."

Hmph. Better for them to just avoid taking responsibility for ANY living thing if they want something that will unquestioningly follow their commands at all times. Get a Furby or one of those iRobot dogs.

lindahoyt said...

Can I just ask WHY the kids need to go into "couseling"? They are acting perfectly naturally to the circumstances that their parents have put them in! Their reactions are normal. How do you fix normal?

The one that NEEDS psychiatric care is Kate! That woman has driven every single person in her life away. She says things that are not true, and tries to involve her family in her lies and deceptions. She has serious control and rage issues that hurt everyone who has ever cared about her. Jon also needs counseling. He most certainly has post traumatic stress syndrome, and is acting out with drug use and risky behavior.

Also, FAMILY counseling is warrented, so that the kids can tell off their parents in a safe environment.

But, how can a counselor ever teach children to "understand" Jon and Kate? They are irrational. They say and do things that any rational person would never be able to understand. I guess TLC is going to have to send us all to "couseling" to understand what this greedy selfish couple is doing to their kids, because it doesn't make sense.

gmf56 said...

''They really acted up that day,'' said the TLC insider. ''It was pretty clear that Kate put them up to that. But then, could you blame her?''

WTH?

Of course I could blame her!

It infuriates me when writers/newscasters/pundits use that assumption of "everyone agrees"

It is phrased in a manner to make people think there is something wrong with them if they don't agree.

Driving Miss Daisy said...

When Jon was no longer around, Kate drove those kids everywhere, AND at night. Its not that she can't drive, its that the Diva won't drive, she likes to be driven so she can't feel like the Queen. So sick.

rockypriscilla said...

Off topic slightly - could someone tell me the *name* of the episode with Gum-gate? I saw it long ago, but I don't want to have to watch every ep again (I REALLY don't) in order to see it. And I do want to see it. (it's not primetime, maybe they won't count me)
thanks


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If you go to youtube and type in Jon and Kate ugly moments, this person has put together ugly moments from seasons 1-4 (you have to check all of her videos). Her youtube name is nohate4kate. It's really something to see all of Kate's craziness back to back. Gumgate is also included.

ThreeKidsandaHijab said...

Mady doesn't want to do the TV show. She doesn't want to be filmed, and do the fake happy family stuff. Yet, she has NO choice. Her parents have already decided that not only will she do the show, she's basically given up her privacy FOR LIFE. Ten years from now, twenty years from now, there will be "Where are they now...Gosselins" episodes... just like there are with Brady Bunch kids, Leave it to Beaver, etc. She's a prisoner for life.

I just saw that Octomom signed a reality TV deal. From the AP...
"The payments outlined in the contracts say Suleman's kids will collectively earn $125,000 for 36 days of shooting in the first year of production, $75,000 for 21 days in the second year and $50,000 for 14 days in the third year. Any extra shooting days will be compensated at the same rate.

The contract also states that 15 percent of the gross compensation will be deposited by Eyeworks into a "Coogan Trust Account," as required by California law. The monies can't be touched until the children turn 18 or become legally emancipated."

Too bad the Gosselin kids didn't have such a limited filming schedule as well as a guaranteed trust. I have to wonder, if 15% is the correct amount. I would hope it would be at least 50%. I also think 18 is rather young to give any kid that sort of money.

antique lady said...

Pamela Jaye:

Look at Youtube Jon & Kate - No Gum.

While I'm posting, I was obsessed with having long nails at 8 years old, even took a gelatin cap every night. But that was early 60's, yeah, I'm old, but oh so fabulous. My nails were natural and long til hormones changed them, then they got fake.

fidosmommy said...

Regarding counseling for Mady and Cara: Certainly they can't be expected to react any differently than they have acted. Going to a counselor will give them an absolutely safe, confidential, professional ear to hear their frustrations and their anger. A trusted counselor will draw them out gently, giving them plenty of time to say what they want to say and to vent. In addition, they will be given coping skills to deal with the things they cannot control.

I am so thankful they are going. They have been screaming for someone to listen to them for a very long time. Now they will have that.

And they will have us holding them very close to our hearts as well.
Whether they know it or not, they are cared about by the GWoPers, and
we want them to be happy young women with every good hope for
a better tomorrow.

Blessings on you, Cara and Mady, and your brothers and sisters too!
We are standing here with you all.

Taryn said...

With the way things are going, Mady is going to wind up like Nancy of the Sid & Nancy duo. Anger has got to be building up in that girl, because she's so far the only one that can call it like she sees it.

For five year olds, the tups seem like toddlers to me. None of them seem capable of just saying aloud what's on their minds. At that age I was piping up all the time.

Poor Mady. She's the lightning rod for that bunch, just for speaking the truth.

Mia said...

@Mom's distracted

Don't forget that when John was in Utah with Cara that he went out drinking until late in the night..so Jon's attention was elsewhere as well

Alissa said...

Sharla said:

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1682622,CST-FTR-zp24.article

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I am really relieved to see that the twins are seeing a psychologist. Now if only they would make that jump for the sextuplets. Or for themselves.

HannaBelleLechter said...

When Jon was in Utah with Cara, Deanna joined him for partying. I'm not certain she was there at the same time as Cara, but when Jon put Cara on the plane to return to PA, he did NOT accompany her home. He stayed behind ostensibly to search for a suitable condo to buy.

So either Deanna was already there or else Jon was waiting for her arrival. Either way, his 100% attention was not on Cara.

As usual, a Gosselin child was used. Used as an excuse for an expensive ski getaway. Used as a play/fantasy/TV moment for an intimate father/daughter pretend-playlet. Used as an excuse to hide the reality of Utah and party time with Deanna.

Alissa said...

rockypriscilla said:

Aren't counselors mandated reporters?

I'm not 100% positive on the laws in PA, but in most states, counselors are only supposed to report something if the children say something about being physically abused or that they plan on doing something destructive to themselves (suicide, hard drugs, etc).

MomIAm said...

''They really acted up that day,'' said the TLC insider. ''It was pretty clear that Kate put them up to that. But then, could you blame her?''

Yes I can. If Kate encouraged the kids to misbehave, that is a selfish reaction. Instead, she should be looking out for them, and helping them cope.

It's laughable for the writer of the article to state that the tups are acting up because of the situation. I've been around children all my life, and in all those years only one acted up as much as the Gosselin children. Of course, they may be over tired or hungry if the schedule doesn't meet their needs.

Dee said...

Pamela Jaye said...
Off topic slightly - could someone tell me the *name* of the episode with Gum-gate?
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It's the "Mady's Day" episode, in the last 10-15 minutes I believe.

CrazyIsAsCrazyDoes said...

lindahoyt said...
Can I just ask WHY the kids need to go into "couseling"? They are acting perfectly naturally to the circumstances that their parents have put them in! Their reactions are normal. How do you fix normal?

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The children need couselling so that they can vent their anger and frustration and fear in a safe place, and learn some coping skills. If they don't, it will build up and could come out later as eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, and/or depression. Think Michael Jackson. Think Lindsey Lohan. The children aren't "crazy", but they definitely need help.

Family therapy could only work if both parents really wanted to change (NOT) and could admit that they are responsible for the mess (NOT).

I agree that Kate is the one who needs the most help, but until she'
s willing to admit that, no one can help her.

wickedsmart said...

Without a doubt, any councilor with any merit would advise the parent of these children to pull the cameras.

momto5 said...

I just do not have words for all this Gosselin saga anymore! Jon has gone nuts and who knows how that will all end with him. And Kate!! She is the Grand Pupa of Narcissism!! SHe is REALLY into her celebrity lifestyle. I guess Jon and her just do not believe in keeping ANYTHING private. And the kids? What will happen when their priviliged lifestyle comes to an end, and they have to do things like normal people?? This is a really messed up situation, and I fear the future is going to be really tough on these kids. Jon and Kate better brace themselves for a hell of ride when these kids are teens. If they cannot afford to keep them in this lavish lifestyle as teens, these kids will be rebellious, and even so I think they will still be rebellious, because of the stress from being in the public eye. Jon and Kate, you have done so much harm to your kids and you are in denial over it. I hope it was all worth it.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Most professionals would agree that in all families each individual takes on a "role". Mady seems to be the "spokesperson" of the eight. She doesn't care if she gets in trouble for speaking her mind. I am referring to the episode in SD where Mady had to stay behind because of her "ugly behavior" quoting Khate. Mady flipped out when asked to be Maid of Honor; Mady mouthed off to her Mom on Today show; Mady insisted on taking "JUST ONE" picture at the tups five year old birthday party epi. And reportedly, Mady flipped out when she witnessed Mommy kissing Steve. GO MADY. WE LOVE YOU.

Mom, Mady and Steve said...

In Utah, I agree that Jon went out at night with friends, but Cara WAS asleep and he had a sitter there. Basically that trip was for him and Cara, not like Kate that carted Steve along, when it was just for her and Mady.

Too long said...

Sorry, 8 is TOO young for those long nails..almost creepy.

Needed no more said...

One of the PEOPLE Magazine reporters stated that Kate was bossing Dr. Glassman's wife around a lot. That makes sense, Kate is a user. Once the tummy tuck was done and free recovery at their home, plus the "makeover" she was basically done with the Glassmans.

TooSadToWatch said...

Don't forget when Jon brought Cara alone with him for a father/daughter trip to Utah to go skiing and snowboarding, they were completely alone, just the two of them.
And the whole TLC gang.

And he did activities without her. She did get to watch, though. /rolleyes/

Dad Distracted Too said...

Mia & Mom's Distracted, And rumor had it that Deanna Hummel was there & Cara got so upset, called her Mom & came home early. And when he went out drinking, he didn't even pay the babysitter. Thought it was another FREEBIE!

Sugar Booger said...

Given the choice between toys ad concerts or parental attention, would the twins really choose undivided attention from their parents? Probably not. But it's because they are too young to uderstand the importance of it, and when you're that age, toys and concerts and cool stuff is what it's all about. This is why Job and Kate allowing the children to decide to continue filming the show is so absurd. The children aren't qualified to make that decision. That's why kids have parents in the first place.

SavetheSheeples said...

Don't forget when Jon brought Cara alone with him for a father/daughter trip to Utah to go skiing and snowboarding, they were completely alone, just the two of them.

I thought Deanna (the school teacher Jon was caught with) traveled separately and met Jon there?? Or was that a different solo Utah trip?

I do remember an episode surrounding Jon's trip to Utah with Cara, and it happened around the same time Deanna was supposedly there with him.

SavetheSheeples said...

"Off topic slightly - could someone tell me the *name* of the episode with Gum-gate?"

It was titled "Mady's Day". It was one of a string of episodes where J&K had "one on one time" with each of the kids.

CherryCheeseKATE said...

If I learned any thing while working at a state institution as a clerk stenographer in their Psychology Department (which dealt with both children and adults), by also working for 8 years in our local elementary school ~ in different professional capacities, *AND* seeing my nephews/niece (and being involved in their therapy) go through my brother/ex-sis-in-law's difficult divorce:

Therapy ONLY really works "if" the person [especially with a child!] undergoing it, has the support of their family/friends. A therapist can only do so much. Once the child leaves the therapist office, what they experience outside of that controlled and safe environment will ultimately play a BIG FACTOR in determining if the therapy succeeds or fails. Under even the best of circumstances, most schools initiate or offer some form of counselling for students (and their parents/family)when the family is going through a divorce. And that's just it ~ THE *FAMILY* GOES THROUGH THE DIVORCE, not just the parents! So anything Mady/Kara could be benefitting from - in therapy, needs to be reinforced by their surroundings (including their parents!) and anyone that comes in contact with them. Eventually, if the smaller kids go into therapy, too - their therapy must be geared to their age and address specific concerns, regarding how they are dealing with the "new reality" of their parent's divorcing. Each child may handle things differently! THE BOTTOMLINE:Do we REALLY think that they are getting that kind of adequate support from Jon/Kate!?! (let alone all the camera people that work for TLC and are always encouraging them to act 'this way or that way' for the show and to plaster fake smiles on their faces!?). Odds are these kids, no matter what - will have 'issues' to deal with. Some may not come out immediately, some may be suppressed, but their lives are being turned upside down - and they have the added BURDEN of having everything being played out PUBLICLY.

fidosmommy said...

I wonder how long it will take for the therapist to insist Jon and Kate come in for consultation, both
together and separately. The therapist will want to talk to them completely alone (no cameras -does Kate talk to anybody without cameras present?) and also together to see the dynamic between them. Then they will be able to determine what Mady and Cara deal with every day of their lives and know how to help them the most.

Any counselor will be able to see right through Kate's facade and know where her heart really is.

Also, he/she might be able to tell Jon what he won't listen to from anybody else.

Please, Dr. Therapist, help those girls mend emotionally and give them some good support. They need you.

lifeoriley said...

I hate that Mady has been singled out as the "bad" child in this fiasco. I agree with others who have said she is very sensitive and intuitive--with a strong personality. She clearly does not like the circus her life has become--add to that the stress of two parents who obviously have not been getting along for quite some time and are now divorcing--poor kid. She is forever (at least for a long time) going to have to bear the reputation of the TV and media-created persona of "acting-out" Mady.

As to the twins recieving counseling--which IMO is a good idea--I agree, the public should not know about it. There are still people who view therapy as a negative thing and there is unfortunately still a negative social stigma attached to it, although that has lessened somewhat.
I wonder if counseling was mandated or advised by Kate's divorce lawyer?

shrews are cute, not k8 said...

With the way things are going, Mady is going to wind up like Nancy of the Sid & Nancy duo. Anger has got to be building up in that girl, because she's so far the only one that can call it like she sees it.
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I agree with the second half of your statement. However, Mady is no Nancy Spungen. That girl was severely mentally ill, according to her mother's book. She suffered from schizophrenia, possibly due to some kind of brain damage at birth. Also, her parents seemed to be inherently decent people who worked hard at various jobs, but couldn't help their sick daughter and lost control of her.

I can see Mady going through a punk/goth stage in a few years, but she does not appear to be mentally ill, and in fact, I think she may be the sanest Gosselin. She has a well-developed sense of right and wrong, which is lacking in both of her parents. If anyone can save this family, it may be her. Go Mady!

just wondering said...

lindahoyt said...
Can I just ask WHY the kids need to go into "couseling"? They are acting perfectly naturally to the circumstances that their parents have put them in! Their reactions are normal. How do you fix normal?

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If for no other reason than to comfort Cara and Mady and to explain to them that their feelings are perfectly natural and that their reactions are normal. They will also learn a few coping skills for dealing with these imposters who call themselves parents.

Pony said...

I honestly think that Mady is going to have fewer long-term problems than any of the other children because she has always tried to take care of herself and her siblings. She is willing to fight for her rights and to take a stand. A lot of the behavior that some label "bratty" is behavior that people want to see in adults if you think about it. She speaks her mind, refuses to do things she thinks is wrong, and she stands up for herself and her brothers and sisters. Yes, sometimes she has shown jealousy or envy of her siblings - but she is still a child. That is normal behavior. I hope that she is allowed contact with her aunt and uncle because Jodi always seemed to really like Mady. Children can thrive as long as there is one adult in their lives who loves them unconditionally. It doesn't have to be a parent; it can be a relative, family friend, or teacher.

I must respectfully disagree with Taryn when she says, "With the way things are going, Mady is going to wind up like Nancy of the Sid & Nancy duo. Anger has got to be building up in that girl, because she's so far the only one that can call it like she sees it." I don't see anger building up in Mady. She lets it out all the time. Cara is the one who is quietly stewing, IMO.

cossysmom said...

ok, somehow I missed the story of the twins going to the Jonas brothers concert. VIP seats, I'm sure. Was Kate jealous because the Obama girls got to meet the Jonas boys? Was this something that Kate insisted her girls "deserved"? or was it something that TLC dreamed up for an episode?

plants 'R' TLC said...

HannaBelleLechter said...
Sharla, I think the "TLC Insider" sharing all these "real moments" is very interesting.

"TLC Insider" my ass. TLC should be ashamed of themselves
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I think TLC is working overtime planting their fake "insider" info plus pro-Kate comment spamming. This is an alleged "tip" that was planted errr... posted at EvilBeet:



" My bosses son is a production assistant on Jon and Kate Plus 8. I had dinner at their house about a month and a half ago (before any major announcements were made). He couldn’t reveal much other then that they had planned a trip to Korea as a family (because of Jon’s ethnicity) but that was scrapped after they decided to separate. He did however tell me of his relationship with Kate and how she is not at all the person TLC and the show portray her as. He told me how Jon was a bit of an absent father and all around douchey and resistant to getting older and that Kate truly tried to keep their marriage afloat. My bosses son was even on an episode of the show to help set up a birthday party after Jon failed to show up. He has had Kate in his car numerous times slouched in the back seat to avoid paparazzi and get out of her neighborhood. Although he continues to work on the show (a boy needs to eat) he said he is totally disgusted with the editing and overall portrayal of Kate."

By no means am I excusing Jon's current behavior, which is odd and often appalling. But TLC seems to be jumping at the chance to remake Kate as a martyr who has put up with a "douchey" Jon all these years while trying in vain to keep her family together. The nasty, cold-hearted wench we have all come to loathe is now just a result of "editing."

Nothing Wrong With Counseling said...

.lindahoyt said...

Can I just ask WHY the kids need to go into "couseling"? They are acting perfectly naturally to the circumstances that their parents have put them in! Their reactions are normal. How do you fix normal?

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By your logic, children of substance abusers shouldn't get counseling, because acting out is an appropriate reaction, the parent should simply get treatment. Children who are being physically abused shouldn't get counseling, the parents should just stop abusing them. The problem with that logic, of course, is that children can't control the actions of their parents. The only control they have is how they react to their environment. Acting out in certain situations may be "normal" but that doesn't mean it is healthy. I fail to understand why anyone would be opposed to something that could help the children develop positive coping skills.

Ohio Buckeye said...

re: "Plants R TLC" said...
I fully believe the entire J&K+8 is at least partially scripted and certainly edited for a sensationalized product, but IMO there simply is no justification for the abusive behavior we have seen in the character of Kate.

Irrelevant if the footage is audited to maximize Kate's self-admitted rampages. The point is, TLC is showing us this kind of spousal/maternal behavior and selling it as if Kate Gosselin is someone to admire and emulate (especially now that she's in full-on Victim Mode).

Even if we assume everything about the character of Kate is scripted and then acted out, then edited for maximum effect, it is still beneath a channel that calls itself "The Learning Channel" to package this insanity as if it appropriate for viewing, especially by children.

TVsnark said...

Gumgate is "Mady's Day" and it bothers me that I know that.

My favorite newly heard quote (was it here?):

"If kids are so resilient why are their so many F**u'd adults?"

ThePaginator said...

Fidosmommy said:
I am so thankful they are going. They have been screaming for someone to listen to them for a very long time. Now they will have that.

This is the start of the end. Finally!

In spite of being pissed off that it's public, I'm thrilled that those girls will now have a voice. I also hope that their therapists have watched the show and will see what we see.

Maybe the good doctors (they should have different therapists) will mosey on over here?

Second time around said...

No, Deanna was not in Utah when Jon went alone with Cara.
Deanna was in Utah with Jon on Kate's birthday.

NewWester said...

So the twins are in therapy now? I say good. At a confusing time like this they will need a safe place where they can talk about their feelings and how to cope with all that is going on in their lives.
As for the parents, some posters are saying Kate has been the worse parent. I agree from what I have seen on tv and elsewhere she does not come across as a canadiate for "Mother of the Year". But Jon is not helping his cause any by his behavior lately.
According to reports he is hanging out in the Hamptons with Micheal Lohan ( yes the father of Lindsay.Enough said there) has been seeing a woman 10 years younger than him and has used drugs in the past and been arrested. Now he is supposed to be dating a reporter from a tabloid, who quit her job when she started to fall for him ( not a good career move on her part!).There are also rumours about Jon having his own reality show !
Can you imagine Cara and Mady having to hear these stories or see a tv show about their father's antics? It is a shame KON have pushed away their families because at this point in time neither parent is a good role model

TooSadToWatch said...

Second time around said...

No, Deanna was not in Utah when Jon went alone with Cara.
Deanna was in Utah with Jon on Kate's birthday.


If I remember correctly (disclaimer: which doesn't always happen ...lol), Jon sent Cara back ahead of him so he could "go look for a condo". It seems to me that was the same time Deanna's brother said she left for the "NY" weekend with friends, but he found travel info to Utah on her computer. All heresy, obviously, but you know the saying about the duck...

Marie France said...

I hope it is true that Mady and Cara are in counseling. Not only will the "divorcing parent issues be addressed, but others as well. I'm sure that therapist is getting an earful from those two girls. Thank God they have someone who is there for THEM and listens to THEM!!

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

Enough Already,

Well Jon certainly didn't tell the kids on NATIONAL TELEVISION that they would be together forever in the Hawaii episode like Kate did. Kate is the big mouth that said that. Jon knew better. He was aware that Kate was a fraud way before any of us knew she was.

KristyLee said...

I've always thought that that Mady wasn't a "bad kid" but that she needs more attention than she receives. I have a slightly younger sister who was exactly like Mady. She was strong willed and wouldn't be ignored, always standing up to my parents and therefor labeled the "bad one". (My parents were absent parents as well). I see so much of Cara in myself. I was the quiet "good one", but more or less because I was terrified of having to listen to any more fighting, so I bottled it in and just shut down.
But the big difference is that we only had one younger sister (3 girls total). I can only imagine what that must be like with 6 younger siblings for a child who needs extra love and attention and has parents who are too wrapped up in themselves to give it to you!! Mady never had a chance to be seen on camera as anything else but the "trouble maker".
Jon and Kate even admitted to not being able to spend quality time with their children one on one in the episodes where each kid had their special day (although a few times it was just Jon who was going, which looking back now and knowing that there were not-a-nannies, I can't understand why they didn't make sure they were both there)
I remember watching once where Kate is cuddling a tup girl and Colin asks Kate if she misses him. She says "I sure do" but doesn't even look up at him! Why couldn't she include him in the cuddle?! That just about broke my heart.
So factor in the child to parent ratio and you already have a recipe for jealousy and acting out for attention... add in the fact that both Jon and Kate are selfish, childish, narcissistic, self centered (I know its redundant) *ssholes who would rather chat on their iphones instead of pay attention to their kids (if they're even at home, of course) and its no wonder the kids are "out of control". WHO IS THERE TO TEACH THEM OTHERWISE? I believe that a child needs to know and trust an adult before they'll ever really listen to them and especially to really learn anything from them. Behaviors are learned from what the kids are around...so what are the Gosselin kids being exposed to?
Mady isn't a bad kid, I think she's just wise to the way her parents play the game and won't take crap from them. She knows she's a pawn (as does Cara, but like I said, I think she would rather avoid the conflict and just keep it to herself).
I don't think that any of this is necessarily a "death sentence" to any of the kids. It will be a hard road for the kids (always known for whatever behaviors they displayed on the show, their parents' atrocious behaviors, the crash that may come from no longer being able to go on expensive trips or live in a McMansion, etc.) but all in all I see very sweet kids in each and every Gosselin child.

I pray that somehow Jon and Kate wake up and start acting like parents, but I'm doubtful it will happen. It makes me irate that they were lucky enough to conceive (I will probably never be that lucky) but that each child is healthy! So many multiple births have complications such as cerebral palsy or complications that come with being premature etc., and yet Jon and Kate take those beautiful children for granted. Being a parent is so much more than just the ability to give birth, and I would thank God every day if I had even one of those children and it breaks my heart that they have to go through this and have it posted online or playing in reruns on cable for the rest of their lives.

Sorry for the rant, I just don't know how else to get my frustrations about this out.

Jake said...

ThePaginator said...

Maybe the good doctors (they should have different therapists) will mosey on over here?


The therapists would lose their licenses if it every came out that they participated in forum regarding a patient or their family.

They need to here and understand what Cara and Mady are experiencing from them without the filters of outsiders.

And no worries, they will get the important information from the kids.

PJ said...

Pony said...
I hope that she is allowed contact with her aunt and uncle because Jodi always seemed to really like Mady. Children can thrive as long as there is one adult in their lives who loves them unconditionally. It doesn't have to be a parent; it can be a relative, family friend, or teacher.


I never go the impression that Jodi particularly liked Mady. I remember one episode when Mady kicked one of the tups. Jodi said she was horrid that day and made a point of how difficult Mady was. In fact, I think Mady had to call and apologize to Jodi.

JTN said...

Personally, I'm just waiting for when it finally clicks in Mady's head the best way to end this is to become a broken record on television. If she would pipe up and tell the camera every time it was on her or she was in a scene she wanted to go live with Jodi and Kevin, they would either have to chuck the footage, edit her out, or address it.
I'd also love to ask the camera repetitively if she could go live with the Duggars because they probably wouldn't notice one more and at least their parents stay home with them.

brennie said...

I hope the twins' counselor is a good one. Mady repeatedly kicking and hitting the tups in several episodes as well as wondering about accidently stabbing someone with a pencil are worrisome behaviors. She didn't like being caught by the cameras.

chesterctymom said...

CherryCheeseKATE said...

Therapy ONLY really works "if" the person [especially with a child!] undergoing it, has the support of their family/friends. A therapist can only do so much. Once the child leaves the therapist office, what they experience outside of that controlled and safe environment will ultimately play a BIG FACTOR in determining if the therapy succeeds or fails.


If there isn't any support, then the therapist will work with the client on how to survive in the setting. Help them become assertive, heard within the family, setting boundries, etc...

Pamela Jaye said...

thanks Dee (and everyone else). I saw the youtube video but really want to see the ep (long since deleted). I think I really miss Aunt Jodi. She was so amazing, dealing with, what? 11 kids? and being kinder to the 8 than their own mother. (and then all the crap she took for it)

Hopefully the counselling can continue and they all can get it. Living with Kate could give anyone PTSD (just from what I've seen, and the "insiders" say there are worse things that they wouldn't even film)

It's upsetting even to see your parent go off on one of your siblings. I remember.

My brother had Mr Rogers to "parent" hm at least. I was 9 by then.

Pamela Jaye said...

gfm56 (gmf56?) said


It infuriates me when writers/newscasters/pundits use that assumption of "everyone agrees"


metoo.
seems that happens a lot in our society. the media ad the press seem to want us to think a certain way. and then there is "the other side" and suddenly everyone is taking sides and yelling.

all of it is annoying - but it's good when we spot them trying to do it to us, as in this case?
Can we blame Kate? Yup. We can blame her for pushing for "one more" baby when Jon said no, for pushing for a show to go on when Jon and Mady said no, for freaking out over every little thing - as Dr Phil said to OctoMom, "these are not dolls" (and they are going to get messy, unless, of course, you keep them on the shelf)

We can blame Kate. For 8 little damaged lives. And I don't think the cameras made her this way, really. She just found a way, that this society provided, to fulfill her need to get everything she wants (physical things - she won't end up with anyone's love): fortune, 15 minutes of fame, loads of attention and "importance," people catering to her every desire.
But even without the cameras, I think she would have severely damaged these children. The difference is that we have documentation now (of *some* of it)

KS said...

I think Mady is smart for rocking the TLC boat. I hope she refuses to say "on this episode..." from now on. She's a bright girl and is sticking up for herself and her siblings. My husband and I used to watch the show when it first came one (before it became the monstrosity it is now)but we are not watching it anymore. It's too upsetting. Does anyone know who their key advertisers are? It would be great to start a campaign of something along the lines of "If the Gosselins have it, I don't want it."

goawayfools said...

I have to admit to disliking Mady in the past. I remember discussing what a witch she was with coworkers. Now I regret that I spoke that way of ANY child. It's amazing what editing can do to sway one's opinion of someone. Mady is a normal kid making normal kid mistakes. Wish it weren't being filmed for the world to see and criticize. My opinion of Mady changed when I saw the Watergate video. She asked repeatedly for water and was ignored. She clearly asked for the water and became more and more agitated and forceful as this basic request was denied. I felt so sorry for the kid and thought it was healthy and brave that she told her mom she was mean. She WAS mean. Her siblings ignored the situation, probably too scared to acknowledge it. This interchange went on in front of people, with cameras rolling. Imagine the nastiness behind the scenes. You go, Mady, you're the sanest one in that whole house

Kathi D said...

Mady is made out to be a brat, and yes, she can be bratty. But all she wants is some loving attention from her parents, who have never had time for her. We all saw how lovely she was when she was taken out for dessert alone with them, and afterward said it was her best day EVER. It wasn't about "things," it was just time with the two people she loves and counts on.

emmasmommy said...

I have not been keeping up with Kate and her whole charade. But I read a post her on GWOP that stated she
took the girl's to the Jonas concert on a LIMO, gag!

Kate, uhm in case you missed the memo, LIMO's are sooooooo 90's. Just seems like she is 20 years behind in both fashion and time zone.

Anyhow, I sympathize the children's position but I honestly do not see where this show is going. I have noticed that once I loose interest on a show it is not long before it goes AWAL. I was done with JK8 last Dec. 08'. I woke up one morning and realized that her view of parenting is not the same as mine. I am soooo freakin' in love with my kids that I smooch them so much. I hug them, find myself blowing kisses at them from across the room. Therefore, my children ages 10, 5, and 19 months are very gentle, loving, expressive, warm, kind, intelligent, happy and they do not hit. My 10 year old is independent, smart, funny, and is a positive example to his younger siblings. Oh and is focused to have good academics so he can get into a good college in the future. My 5 year old is sweet, kind, a lover not a fighter, he will take his shirt off his back for someone in need. He is the same age as the tups and yes they do lack social skills. Not because they are dumb or slow due to their preemie years but because the parents do not communicate with the children. Kids have a mind of their own and they love to have choices. Simple choices such as letting them choose their clothing, give them options on what could be for dinner one day or pick of their fav restaurant or activity.

I was 17 when I became a single mother to my first son BUT I had true faith, wisdom, and poured my heart and soul to be a good parent. I played the role of both father and mother w/o complaining. I may not have given my son material things but I gave him my time and devotion. He remembers our evening walks to the park, our jamming out sessions to my fav band. He can't say he has ever witnessed men coming in and out of my life. He was there in both my high school and college graduation. He was there on our first car purchase and our first place.

Long story short Kate might have done "things" traditionally but goes to show that does not make her a better mother than those who do not follow the matrimonial agenda.

Pamela Jaye said...

hmm... yup, I'm ready for some TLC crossover - Switching Families. The Gosselin Kids can go to Michelle & JimBob for some real TLC, and Kate can get the 18. (I'm sure the older kids would protect their younger sibs from Kate's abuse.)
And TLC could promo it to the skies.

goawayfools said...

I agree, emmas mommy, Mady can be lovely and sweet and kind to her brothers and sisters. I think TLC did her a disservice by highlighting some of her bad moments, as she is the most honest, straightforward, and open of all the children. And I'll bet you that most of the times she acted bratty, she had a legitimate reason to do so. She is the "realest" person on the show and I root for her now. Go Mady!

Tyra said...

IMO, the whole Gosselin family should be in counseling, not just Cara and Mady.

TUNDRA said...

GASP! Is that Kate I see taking out the garbage? Whatta gal! (Wink, Wink, Nod, Nod)

gmf56 said...

gfm56 (gmf56?) said


It infuriates me when writers/newscasters/pundits use that assumption of "everyone agrees"

metoo.
seems that happens a lot in our society. the media ad the press seem to want us to think a certain way. and then there is "the other side" and suddenly everyone is taking sides and yelling.

all of it is annoying - but it's good when we spot them trying to do it to us, as in this case?

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

I think it is more than annoying, I think it is dangerous.

How many people bought into the Jon & Kate BS? How many are still buying it?

More than the fact that they are buying Kate's BS is how they admire and defend the woman. The comments sections reveal a huge number of women who admire Kate and see noting wrong with using children in this manner. This means there are hundreds of thousands of potential Kates out there.

Selling the public this BS has been tragic for these 8 children. What concerns me more is the selling of BS on issues that concern millions of people.

Where has the ability to think critically gone in our society? Why are people so willing to believe whatever they are fed from the TV without question?

No matter the issue; from Jon & Kate to national politics, we are fed BS, divided into 'teams' and left to fight amongst ourselves while the 'teams' walk off with the money.

The real 'teams'; team kids, or team ordinary working citizen pay the bill and get shafted.

No martyr is Kate said...

Wow, Kate is actually learning to be a real housewife and head of the household. Never has she done a lick of physical labor,ever including taking out the trash. See Kate, you are a big girl, you CAN do all the things that all of us woman do by ourselves. That is truly a first.

Alissa said...

Pamela Jaye said:

She was so amazing, dealing with, what? 11 kids? and being kinder to the 8 than their own mother. (and then all the crap she took for it)

And she never complained once! Kate is always whining about how exhausted she is all the time but even when Jodi flew all the way out to Utah just to put the kids on a flight, when she took care of 11 kids (many with the flu) and all the times she entertained them for no pay, she was always sweet and loving. She never let the kids think that they were a burden in any way.

Terry K. said...

Okay, I can't believe I'm defending Kate. People have snarked at her about taking a limo to the Jonas Brothers. You know, I may have done the same thing IF I had the money to do so. She has claimed she doesn't like driving on 2 lane highways--you know what? I don't either. It's some form of anxiety disorder that brings on panic attacks without warning, and they really, really suck when they happen. There are a lot more cars on the road these days, and it's not that I don't trust my own driving, I just don't trust the other guy (especially going 55 to 65 mph). There's not much you can give Kate a break for, but give her a break for taking a limo to the concert.

That being said, I would not have flaunted going in a limo-- I would have tried to be a little more secretive about it.

Don't buy it said...

Still don't buy the limo ride. She has at least 6 vehicles she could have had her "people" drive her in. Again, It was ALL for show.

GO HOME said...

Jon, you might like the life in the fast lane in the Hamptons, but don't you get it?, Its time to GO
HOME. Spend some of that leisure time with your children, not those meaningless vacuous people.
Your no player. More like a clown.

TooSadToWatch said...

I never go the impression that Jodi particularly liked Mady. I remember one episode when Mady kicked one of the tups. Jodi said she was horrid that day and made a point of how difficult Mady was. In fact, I think Mady had to call and apologize to Jodi.

7/25/2009 7:24 PM


I'm going to politely disagree on this. I think Jodi loves Mady as much as all of the other kids. She took issue with Mady's behavior, and did it in firm, but loving manner.

Remember when Mady came in kicking a balloon after school, and stomped off to the bedroom? It was on her birthday episode. I am thinking now it was because she wanted to celebrate WITHOUT the cameras, and was upset to have them rolling when she got off the bus. Just speculation, of course...

Hatekate said...

Don't forget when Jon brought Cara alone with him for a father/daughter trip to Utah to go skiing and snowboarding, they were completely alone, just the two of them. Yet when Kate was taking Mady to Calif. for their mother/dauthter trip, Steve Neild was there the whole time. Mady did not and could not feel special, while Mom's attention was elsewhere

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Don't think it's true that Jon and Cara were alone. Jon bought Deanna the schoolteacher with him

RebeccaS said...

Wow, so Kate doesn't like 2 lane highways? She'd freak if she had to drive in SoCal, where they sometimes get up to 6 lanes.

goawayJandK said...

Pamela Jaye-

IIRC, Gumgate is on the episode titled "Mady's Day".

The other episodes that are in the Hall of Shame are:

Collingate : Babies and Bunkbeds
Joelgate: Cooking with the Twins
Ice Cream gate: Heading South


Of course, those were the worst of the first seasons. I think basically every episode of the most recent season was just as bad.

Julie said...

Sad, sad, sad. I know we can't change the Gosselin situation overnight, but I do have one tip that could tremendously relieve some of the stress felt on the part of the kids.

My ex and I live in the same town and we have the kids a week at a time. The transition between houses was very hard at first but it has eventually become routine.

I feel as though Jon and Kate make a big production about packing up to leave every time their turn at the house is over. My solution? STOP packing up suitcases and have toiletries, clothing (God knows they can afford two sets of clothes and both love shopping) at their respective new "cribs". How hard can it possibly be? And if Kate only wears mini-skirts, tank tops and no bra, I tend to wonder if Steve is smuggled in those jumbo suitcases of hers. Maybe he is her adult form of a "Chewy", her comfort item....

How stressful this much be for the children, and I HIGHLY doubt Kate or Jon goes about packing discreetly while the kids are in bed. I can also hear the mutterings, "I can't play now, your father (or mother) is making me leave you." (Sad, but I would bet a weeks worth of Kate's double latte's on this one!!!!)

Diane said...

TLC owns those kids now. Jon and Kate live far away while the kids live in the studio aka "their house". That way they are free to be filmed 24/7 while the parents take turns having a carefree life spending the money the kids are making.
This is out there for everyone to see, yet no one steps up and does something. I thought we had child protection laws in this country. Is TLC that powerful that everyone is afraid to stop them?

Acertaingirl said...

Why did Octomom have a guardian appointed for her kids now that she's making her "documentary", and the Gosselin kids have gone all these years without one? Is it just the difference between CA and PA laws?

ganana said...

I meant to read all the posts before saying this but I am so disgusted right now. WTF is wrong with Kate that she can't drive in normal traffic like everybody else? She's never cooked out, never camped, never blah blah blah. Why does a helpless loser have 8 kids and then expect to be taken care of? And you know, folks? She might just pull it off. She and Jon are the two most repulsive people I have ever seen on TV.