The House


Since many people are discussing the house today, here is another view.


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Mikemom said...

Hope the kids turn 18 and tell Kate and Jon to go find somewhere else to live since its their house anyway.

Tanya said...

That is one huge houes and yard. With all of the room they have they just have to film in the driveway! Well we all know why now don't we?

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

The area around the pool looks very private. I can't help but wonder, why they don't spend more time there. Oh, that's right, Kate does want the "P-People" to take plenty of photos of her.

anna said...

it's gorgeous!

sueshe said...

Boy have they come a long way in a very short time!!! The kids have been so kind to purchase this house for their soon to be divorced parents. I just hope that it brings happiness, but with what I have seen happen in the last year...I have my doubts.

Maggie said...

I shudder to think what will happen to that house and the kids now that Kate's lucrative deals seem to be falling to the wayside. It seems Jon & Kate have set themselves up to live a "lifestyle of the rich and famous," when their type of celebrity only lasts the proverbial 15 minutes. How will they maintain the cars, salon trips, McMansion, clothes for 8 kids, etc. etc. when the Gosselins are replaced by the next televised trainwreck? I don't think the salaries of a nurse and a sort-of-IT-guy/really-a-professional-child can support the lifestyle they have aspired to.

I'd like to imagine they've squirreled some of their fortune away for the kids' futures, but with the way they seem to spend money (and so lavishly upon THEMSELVES), I highly doubt that is the case.

Those poor kids. They need a lawyer, and fast -- before their parents squander ALL of the money the KIDS have earned.

Shea said...

Wow, they really do try to minimize the house when it is shown on the show, huh? That house is huge.

Sara L. said...

What a beautiful home. I have always thought it is sad that Jon&Kate have had no happiness there. I wonder if this really will be their " Forever House." What a depressing thought! Ugh...

just wondering said...

For many more pictures of the house just go to the GWOP homepage, look at the dates on the right hand side of the page and click on March. Then scroll all the way to the bottom and open up the thread.

WallyWinnie said...

I just noticed they have dropped the price of the old E-Town house by another 10 grand.

$315,000.00 now.

Why doesn't Jon just move back in there? I bet the neighbors would be upset with the circus back in town!

I liked the old house actually. If you updated the kitchen and painted a few walls, it would be perfect. I hate the white cabinets and the green countertops. I would keep the layout and just eliminate the upper cabinets over the peninsula. Change out the counters to solid surface Corian.

Lower the price and you would have it sold. What kind of idiots think they are going to make a fast buck in this housing market!?

The paid less than 300 grand for it!

MeMommaMo said...

couldn't they ride bikes on the basketball court?

Gosh that is a big house. I didn't realize it was so big. I hope the can continue to fill it with love...

A Mom-ynous said...

As an owner of a home with an inground swimming pool and 3 children from ages 2 to 9 who have all taken infant survival swimming who continues to have a baby fence around the pool....

I am SHOCKED that there is no baby gate around the pool.

Her children sadly cannot swim properly and will sink like rocks in the event that they fall in. (This is due to the vertical posture they assume when they where they little vests or floaties--hate those things!)

I find it cocky and repugnant when parents fail to put in safety measures for their children.

Aside from that--my kids would love it if I let them play in the driveway all the time.

Mary said...

I just moved from Reading,Pa and we had an inground pool with a fence..which is required. There are no kids toys out there..Kate could arrange alot of their toys there and that could be the place from Papp's

Cathryn said...

Did they really only pay 1.1 million for the house? (I know the original asking price was 1.3 or something.) Is housing usually that cheap in Pennsylvania? Seems like they got a lot of bang for their buck, especially with the included pool and acreage.

Pilgrim Soul said...

You really get NO idea of how big that house is on the show... Hmmmm, wonder why?

I agree - no fence around the pool? What are they, nuts?

Pilgrim Soul said...

I live in New York, have an in ground pool with a toddler, and it is a law here that a pool has to be fenced in. What's the situation in PA?

just wondering said...

They don't live in the city limits. I'm not sure about their particular county ordinance but here where I live you can fence or not fence as you like.

Of course, if you don't fence your insurance rates skyrocket.

anonymony said...

@Cathryn,
Not sure where abouts you live, but real estate in the midwest is incredible. I believe their house is around 6,000 sq.ft., and if they bought a house of that size and had an acre of land, it probably would've cost under 600k, even with the pool (which actually, in this area of the states, has proven to give no added value to a house because of the limited amount of months it can be used), so about 1.1 sounds pretty accurate. My house in California would be a couple million dollars, but in the midwest, it isn't even worthy 550k (and we have an in ground pool). Needless to say, we are very fortunate to get such a big bang for the buck, especially compared to many places in the rest of the nation.

Laurie said...

I think there is a fence around the pool - you just can't see it well becasue of the shrubs & trees. Not a Kon fan but I don't think they'd put the kids in danger. I only hope they have some kind of alarm system leading from the house to the pool.

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

I'm sure that the pool area is off-limits to all the kids, just like Kate's Master Suite is.

Jon probably doesn't want to move back to the old house because it has bad memories of Kate there. Why can't Kate move back to the old house, and Jon live in the "big house" with all the kids? The kids most likely would rather have Jon as the primary care giver.

Temeneos said...

who cleans that thing?

NattyBoo said...

YOWSERS THAT HOUSE IS HUGE! I knew it was big but dang, that's GINORMOUS!!

imaamy said...

I guess a helper cleans the pool! In So Cal, that house would probably be closer to 10 million, even if that much land could be found to build (I think the house is relatively new construction?).

ihatethisshow said...

nothing but the best for KI! her old house was 3000+ sq feet, which was plenty big for her family. they had that room the twins used for a study (and only that)--they showed an old epi last week where she and beth were trying to make the house more 'usable'. that room could have been for the little tup who gets up early, the boys could have used the basement for a room(remodeled of course), so there would have been plenty of room in that house! they may have a beautiful house to live in now, but i bet it is cold, has no love in it, will not have fond memories for the kids, and it will be seen as a studio. when the dust settles and it is all over with, i bet this family loses everything they have. they have already lost the respect and goodwill of their fellow citizens. i pity all of them.

GrandRapids said...

I really doubt that TLC would not have made sure a fence of some kind was installed around the pool to safeguard the eight little piles of cash.

And Maggie, I'm going out on a limb and predicting that in 30 years we'll see another version of "Grey Gardens", with Kate propped up in a filthy bed surrounded by faded pictures, and Mady agitatedly exclaiming how Kate ruined her chances for happiness (while wearing a bib as a hat)...

hotshot22 said...

If you look at the older pictures of the house that were posted in March you can see the pool area is enclosed by a fence. I actually think the pool is enclosed quite well based on what I have seen lately while home shopping for a similar house. I doubt the children get to play in the pool much because even with Ashley or the glamour nanny's help and the help of Jon or Kate that would really not be enough guidance for all 8 children.

I am watching Jon and Kate seperate lives on E! right now and am glad they mentioned how Jon seems to put on a show for the paps by playing with the kids in the front. We can only hope that Kon will take the advice and allow the children to play outback.

AZ Mom said...

From the position of the solar panels I'm guessing that they're there to heat the pool! My neighbors have the same type. The other's, of course, are on the garage. In looking at some of the 4th of July pictures Khate must be royally pi$$ed because Jane is sitting on her plastic throne. He's smiling and laughing while all she does is frown.....

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

I would like to see the floor plan to the mansion. Does anyone have any ideas of what each level consists off?

I also saw that Jon was sitting in Kate's white plastic chair. It's shocking that she allows him to do that. I bet she requests that chair in the divorce settlement.

rosie said...

Even though the old house is still sitting on the market, they are still responsible for the upkeep and the taxes.. What an incredible waste of money.
What was her frenzy to move out of there before it was sold? Was the kids money really burning that big of a whole in her pocket?
Such a waste. Another family would die for a home like the vacant one if only they could afford it.

Rach Here said...

Actually some are for the hot water(back of house) and others are for heat(front of house)

Could someone be so kind as to direct me to all the pics of the house. I had little success fiding the "field" under the March option. TY

Emiku said...

Wow.... I had no idea it was that huge. All they ever show on TV is like the driveway & front door.

I don't think I would like living in a house that big. The extra space would be nice, but I can't imagine the hours it would take to clean the entire place. Kate probably has her own cleaning crew along with everything else though, so I guess it's no big deal for her.

Emiku said...

I'm confused... how in the world do the paparazzi's get pictures that are so close up of their house? I was looking at the older pictures & there's a map that shows the entire property. Their driveway looks really long and the house seems somewhat far away from the main city road. I'm assuming paparazzi's aren't allowed to stand in their driveway since it's private property, but how in the world can they get pictures of them coming out the front door from that far away? Even the camera zoom has it's limits. Dp the pictures just make it look further than it really is?

Mystical said...

rosie said, ...."What was her frenzy to move out of there before it was sold?"
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Kate was probably convinced the house would be sold within a day (lol) because of their so called D celebrity status. Shortly after they listed it, I remember Jon saying they thought droves of people would be coming to the open house because of who they are. So, they listed it as an "anonymous" event. That was probably a mistake. But, I do see it is over priced.

I can't seem to look away! said...

...okay, here it is - the reason she is wearing so many hats when photograped... It is the next ratings grab attempt! Imagine how many people would turn in to check out her new hairstyle! Heck, I might even reconsider my boycot to check out a new hairdo!

Flmomoftwo said...

We also have an inground pool and a 3 and 7 yo who started swim lessons as soon as we moved in. I also have a mesh baby fence around my pool and a pool alarm. However, you can access the pool right from the sliding glass doors in my living room. I couldn't tell from the picture if this was the case with the Gosselin pool. If it has a fence all the way around it, no access from the house, and a secure lockable gate I don't see the need for the extra mesh baby fence.

Oh and we also have solar panels to heat our pool and they look just like the ones in that photo. So you are probably right about that.

Marie France said...

There is no question that that home is absolutely stunning. The property is beautiful and Wernersville is rural and great for privacy (unless you INVITE the paps and film crews!!) That backyard area with the pool is beautiful. It's too bad that the kids are not getting to use the pool and invite their friends over for pool parties and picnics. I hope KON appreciates the lovely estate their kids paid for!

Shea said...

Emiku, they have really great zoom lenses that can get close up shots. However, if Jon and Kate were anywhere else on their property they would be out of site.

And I don't understand why they are setting off fireworks on the grass?

Joyce said...

what happens if the show gets canceled, who is going to pay for property tax and maintenance of the house? It's pretty obvious TLC is paying for maintenance right now, it's basically their television set.

The show will get canceled before the kids go to elementary school. Because they will no longer be cute at that age. There are new competitions, new shows, and new toddlers on the block. The viewers always prefer kids under 5, it's human nature, kids under 5 are less pretentious and self-conscious. And they haven't talked like their parents yet.

They need to downsize after the show gets canceled. The property tax, maintenance of the trees, lawn, swimming pool are quite costly for a big house like that.

The kids are so jaded now, they are always whining. There's very little cuteness left.

Paige said...

Wow, guys, it's TOTALLY normal to live in a house like that! Jon and Kate are JUST like us!

Somebody mentioned a floor plan. I, too, would like to see it.

WallyWinnie said...

Remember Jon saying that when they listed the old house on the market, they did NOT put a picture of the front of it on the listing because they feared a SWARM....and that would not be fair to the realtor or the neighbors.

I think as the poster said Kate thought it would be sold in a day since they were FAMOUS!

I remember when they sold the 1st house,they used "ASSIST TO SELL", which is a for sale by owner, with marketing.

They were alot smarter with their money when they had less of it to manage. (and they earned it themselves)

Money really changes people. It is sad but true.

Mary said...

I never saw any kind of floor plan but when it was for sale this was information listed:

Price $1,350,000
Acres 23.88

6200 Square Feet
Rooms 14
Bedrooms 5
Full Bathrooms 5
Half Baths 2


4 Stall Barn
3 Bay Garage with 800 SF Apartment
2400 Gal Pool with Hot Tub


Someone was wondering how old it was. It was built in 1998. The Gosselins moved in towards the end of 2008. If you remember the infamous episode where Kate was cleaning the refrigerator and was going on and on about how filthy it was. She was totally dissing the doctor who owned it previously. She mentioned it apparently wasn't cleaned for 10 years. In other words she was saying the previous owners never cleaned since the house was built.

Just one of many times Kate's rudeness and lack of class was shown.

fidosmommy said...

Some have mentioned the safety factor of having 8 kids in the pool. Few of the kids are swimmers, as we have seen before.
And Kate is not a swimmer. Only Jon seems to get in the water with them when they stay at resorts. Since Jon seems to concentrate on one child at a time, that might be more than he can handle.

So, does that automatically mean they don't get to swim? What about having swimming lessons in their backyard pool from a qualified swimming teacher?

And, what about hiring a CPR trained/certified lifeguard when the kids want to swim if Kate doesn't want that job? I was lifeguarding in a large public pool when I was 16. I'm sure their area of Wernersville has several trained lifeguards who would love to have a part time summer job. Most can handle 8 kids and some friends in a small pool at the same time.

The children clearly enjoy being in the pool, as evidenced in several episodes where water was involved. With a little thought,
Kate could keep them happy in the pool while keeping them safe, and even allow herself to sunbathe by the side of the pool to her heart's content with that blasted cell phonoe firmly attached to her ear. Somebody else would be responsible for lifeguarding. Somebody well trained.

Sherp said...

Isn't the total usable square footage closer to 9,000 to 10,000 because in Pennsylvania the basement isn't supposed to be included in the quoted square footage?

goawayfools said...

Paige I think your tongue-in-cheek comment hits the nail on the head as to why the show is doomed. Who wants to watch a show about two stupid people who reproduced irresponsibly, cried poverty, and worked the system to the point that they are now richer than anyone who helped them or were fans of theirs? Worse yet, they're not even good parents and Kate has all the charms of a female praying mantis ripping the male's head off after mating

A Mom-ynous said...

There is a wooden fence around the entire pool deck.

There is no visible fencing from the house to the pool.

I have friends that opted for the 90 decible alarm on the door in lieu of the mesh baby gate (per code) and it is such a PITA. They constantly have to override it for parties that I think they just stopped using it all together.

IT gets annoying to not freely come in and out of a patio area adjacent to a pool.

It is a pet peeve of mine--and there is no fence between the pool and the house.

Design wise--there will be doors to that patio.

The wooden fence protects the homeowner from having an "attractive nuisance".

We have a pool screen in lieu of yard fencing for that purpose.

But that is to prevent a random child from wandering into the pool area from the yard. (So in my home it is to protect little neighboring tots from playing in my pool when I don't see them and subsequently drowning.)

A Mom-ynous said...

well maybe it is just a window--

hmmmm....too many plants!


The solar panels on the roof facing the pool are definitely for heating the pool. (ideally they would face south) Ours face East b/c our roof faces E/W.

Nova said...

Rach Here said... (7/05/2009 5:58 PM)
Could someone be so kind as to direct me to all the pics of the house. I had little success fiding the "field" under the March option.
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Here you go:
http://gosselinswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2008/10/now-thats-impressive.html

Nova

jill said...

Their house is NOT a McMansion...it IS a mansion!

E-town House Luvr said...

I love Lancaster County and if I and my wife could find decent jobs there we would relocate and buy that E-town house in a heartbeat. I'd kill to have that nice home. And I'd charge the sheep to come take tours of it.

Terra said...

wow, that first makeover was really "horrendously horrendous". It was REALLY REALLY bad.

Rach Here said...

Thanks Nova

imaamy said...

I didn't realize it was over 10 years old. It looks brand new inside. I guess I got confused with someone else moving into a new mansion.

Sue said...

That house seems to be way more than 6200 sq ft. My SIL's house is 5500 and it doesn't look half as big as this one.

just wondering said...

Kimme said...

Really this doesn't seem over the top too me. FIVE bedrooms and you have 8 KIDS! It means sharing rooms and personally I did share a room for many years with a sibling and hated it.

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(Katespeak)
When Kate was introducing the audience to the house she remarked about how the bedrooms were small and that there weren't that many of them but that the house had large common areas.

A different thought came to my mind. SHE has lots of room for the kids to spread out. SHE has a huge bedroom. SHE can find a place for peace and quiet in HER very large bedroom. It obviously doesn't matter that the kids are still trippled up in their bedrooms.

AnneMarie said...

The kids have had at least one private swim lesson, as that was on one of the episodes. It was a vacation one, east coast, and they brought in two female swim instructors. For how long, and to what effectiveness, I have no idea.

Kimme said...

Just Wondering said...

Katespeak)
When Kate was introducing the audience to the house she remarked about how the bedrooms were small and that there weren't that many of them but that the house had large common areas.

A different thought came to my mind. SHE has lots of room for the kids to spread out. SHE has a huge bedroom. SHE can find a place for peace and quiet in HER very large bedroom. It obviously doesn't matter that the kids are still trippled up in their bedrooms.

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Well... I will write that the trend in home building for the last 10 years is to have a gigantic great room, large master, and very small secondary bedrooms.

Many secondary bedrooms are less then 10x9 and if you put in a twin bed, dresser and nightstand that room is stuffed for one kid. When you put bunkbeds in there, the room barely has enough space to turn around.

It's why when you go new home shopping they have very little furniture in the room to make it appear bigger.

I have no problem with KON owning a large, expensive home - obviously they have the money - and it does benefit the kids in a way. I only have one dishwasher and one oven but if I was cooking (and here's doubt that Kate cooks) for 10, I would definitely need two of each.

What I have a problem with is how she uses the kids for attention in the media and the house only comes into play (for me) with how she exploits the yard and driveway facing the fence.

Just my thoughts...

Christine said...

Sue..
It is bigger then 6000 sq ft. I used to live PA/MA and now live in the West. Back east realtors for the most part do not list basements, and bonus rooms in sq ft. (and some realtors only list 1st floor sq ft) so if they have a full basement and finished space over the garages that could be another 3000+ sq ft at least for 9000 total which seems more accurate.

I live in a home that is 2000 sq ft on one floor with 2000 sq ft walkout basement, if I added an upper floorto make my house 6000 sq ft the ariel view would be nothing like the G's estate so my guess is the 6000 sq ft is just the first floor and 5 beds upstairs and does not include the basement or Jon's apartment.

penna lady said...

Cathryn said...
Did they really only pay 1.1 million for the house? (I know the original asking price was 1.3 or something.) Is housing usually that cheap in Pennsylvania? Seems like they got a lot of bang for their buck, especially with the included pool and acreage.

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No housing is not that cheap in Pennsylvania but dependant on the area. In my area of Pennsylvania, a million would get you a house 3,000 sq ft with 1 or 2 acres (an average home in my area with up to 3,000 sq ft and maybe 1/4 acre would be $650K ) As realtors like to say, location, location, location.

Claire said...

Since they're divorcing, who do you think will get the house? One thing's for sure... Queen Kate will not go down that easy.

GrandRapids said...

E-town House Luvr said...
I love Lancaster County and if I and my wife could find decent jobs there we would relocate and buy that E-town house in a heartbeat. I'd kill to have that nice home. And I'd charge the sheep to come take tours of it.

7/05/2009 8:46 PM

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Y'know, if I had a spare half-million laying around (who doesn't?), I'd snatch up the E-town house. I'd contact the local preservation society about filing for "historic" status for the place the local and neighborhood governing bodies about designating the house as a museum and cultural center. Then, I'd get a bunch of fellow GWOPs together to totally recreate the interiors. And finally, I'd get the word out that the Gosselin House was now open for tours and available for sheeple bridal showers, baby showers, receptions, birthdays, and so forth. All the food would be organic and served up on paper plates! We could even sponsor our own events and some of us could pose as p-people stalking the guests from the street. Think of the fun the sheeple would have with THAT kind of attention!

There would, of course, be a full range of exlusive merch and authentic souvenirs (e.g., bibs in ALL SIZES and commemorative gumbears!!!) available for purchase in the garage area. All proceeds would benefit local children's charities and provide scholarships for local cosmetology students inspired to right the wrong of that horror Kate sports on her head...

Either that, or I'd salvage the place of anything reuseable and donate it to the local Habitat for Humanity and raze the house. In its place would be a quiet neighborhood park and a garden space for kids to learn how to plant and grow.

Something good should come out of all this, after all.

InkstainedPsyche said...

Kimme said...
From Mary

6200 Square Feet
Rooms 14
Bedrooms 5
Full Bathrooms 5
Half Baths 2

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Really this doesn't seem over the top too me. FIVE bedrooms and you have 8 KIDS! It means sharing rooms and personally I did share a room for many years with a sibling and hated it.

And considering 10 people are living there with a film crew the bathrooms don't seem excessive either.

Just saying...

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Okay, I know I said this before in another thread somewhere, but they do not NEED that much square footage simply because they have eight kids.

I had three less. For seven years after my fifth child was born, we lived in a 1200 square-foot house with one bathroom. It was what we could afford on our income. It was small, but it was ours and we made the payments.

Income level bumped up and we moved the seven of us (that's just three less than the Greedy Gosselins) to a larger home, approximately 2200 square feet, which is where we live currently. Lot is perhaps 1/3 acre at most. We have five bedrooms (our builder made two bedrooms out of the family room because the floor plan only had three bedrooms) and three full baths, plus an office/den.

So what those of you who think the Gosselins NEED 6200 square feet are saying is that they require 4000 more square feet just for three more children?

Oh, and horrors!! Some of our kids shared rooms over the years until they grew up and moved away. Actually, in the current house, only the two youngest ended up sharing and it was a large room. Are they scarred for life because of it? No. In fact, it helped prepare them for having roommates when going to college...or in the military...or even serving a church mission.

Once again, I say, a family that size does not NEED that large a house. A small house filled with love trumps an excessively large one filled with K(hate) any day.

TUNDRA said...

Personally, I can't stand listening to or watching Kate. She makes me sick, largely due to her self-absorbed (Me, My, Mine) attitude, emotional immaturity, intolerance, and whining. Worst of all, those stupid, ugly, downright creepy facial expressions of hers! Ugh, I just wanna throw up! Or run as far away from her as I can.

If there is a blessing to the super-size compound the children live/film in, perhaps with so much square footage, it's easier for them to avoid running into Kate during one of her "rampages" she referred to in an interview.

Ann said...

In considering value, land is not as expensive in PA as other states. I live in Utah and 1/3 would be close to 80k, 25 acres is unheard of.
I would think the cost of building the Gosselin's house it was not the land cost , but the cost to get power/sewer/gas etc to the house.

Living in Utah there are lots of large families in my neighborhood. You do not need 6000+ sq ft for a family of 10 for space or happiness. I have 4 neighbors that have 8 or more kids and live in under 3500 sq ft. My neighbor behind me has 9 kids, is a very sucessful lawyer lives on 1/3 acre lot and the house is 3500 sq ft which is 2200 rambler with 1300 sq ft daylight walkout basement. My neighbors could afford a bigger house and more land, but they choose to be part of a neighborhood, where kids play basketball in the cu-de-sac, ride bikes to school togther and we have block parties once a month.

Since the Gosselin's think they need such a big house, it is too bad like the Roloff's we do not see lots of kids and friends coming over to play and enjoy it.

lovinlife said...

we have 3 kids and 2 adults in a 1000sq foot house that has 4 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. It is small but I can say that each of my kids has their own space. And we are happy plus we only owe 30000 left on it. It may be small , but I can honestly say that we paid for it with our OWN money and didn't have to use our kids to do it like Kon does. my kids are happy and we are a close knit family and that is all that matters.

Pauper Princess said...

O...M...G...

That house is GORGEOUS. Eee gads.

Emmy said...

Ann said... Since the Gosselin's think they need such a big house, it is too bad like the Roloff's we do not see lots of kids and friends coming over to play and enjoy it.
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What shocked me the most was that they didn't even have the tups birthday party at the house. It would have been soooo much nicer for the kids (and more private), and isn't the ability to entertain the whole point of having such a large house?

Dr. Coolsex said...

Another new Jon and Kate parody webisode:

Garage Clean-Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D5OBdq3I0

Hope you guys like it.

--
www.drcoolsex.com

Pauper Princess said...

rosie said...
Such a waste. Another family would die for a home like the vacant one if only they could afford it.

7/05/2009 5:58 PM
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Absolutely. I know I would love a home like the one they left behind. It's beautiful, IMHO.

lifeoriley said...

The house is very large--no getting around it-- and there's LOTS of land. There are places for the kids to play out of the easy view of the paps. Also, things could be done to the front of the diveway, such as a large hedge or privacy fence (that could be disguided with climbing roses or vines for aesthetic appeal) that would make it harder to get a clear pic of the kids. As has been mentioned, they could also pave an area in the back for kids the ride on their bikes if they REALLY cared about the paps.
As for they 6200 sq. ft. house "only" having five bedrooms--that is typical of many newer home designs. Look in any "house plan" book, and even the very large house plans may only have four or five bedrooms. I saw one plan for a 7000 sq. ft. house that had only three bedrooms--yet it had a media room, a library, a solarium, a billiard room--you get the idea.

Kids do not each need their own room, IMO. People in many other cultures would never dream of requiring their small children to sleep in a room by themselves. And, the viewers have never really seen how big the bedrooms are or how they are layed out. As long as each child has his/her own bed and a place to keep their things, I think that is all that's really "needed."

Mommytobe said...

Holy cow.. that house is huge. I could never imagine living in a house like that.

House said...

It is a really wonderful house and amount of land for 8 soon-to-be lots bigger kids if they lived and a normal life. Can you imagine if they were like your kids and mine and had friends over, sleep overs and camp outs? Relatives dropping by, cousins running in and out of the pool. Well, that's what my life is like with kids and I love it.

This place was bought and paid for by the Gosselin kids' childhood years and I don't think it is too big for this large family. I used to live in this area of the country and you can get a lot for the money.

I resent that K8 gets to rule this roost as if she paid for it, yes, I do. Don't know how to get around that.

pinkdiamond611 said...

They made the kids work and I hope for the kids sake that they are able to stay on this property for a long time. It fits well into Khates lifestyle of isolation. What bugs me is that they pretend that they don't live in a freakn' MANSION. Show the rolling hills, show the landscaping, show the pool. They think they have people hoodwinked that they live out in the sticks in the woods. The bedrooms, I'll say okay. But FIVE FULL BATHS and 2 half Baths!!!! I suppose Katie Irene gets down on her hands and knees and scrubs each one herself. rofl.

Mandy said...

Why are the kids still in highchairs? Are they waiting for someone to send free chairs?

Laura said...

Love the new Jon & Kate parody! I love Jon in his little tight American Eagle shirt (hello youth!) and Kate with her constant texting! You guys nailed it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D5OBdq3I0

konhasyoufooled said...

pinkdiamond611 said...

They made the kids work and I hope for the kids sake that they are able to stay on this property for a long time. It fits well into Khates lifestyle of isolation. What bugs me is that they pretend that they don't live in a freakn' MANSION. Show the rolling hills, show the landscaping, show the pool. They think they have people hoodwinked that they live out in the sticks in the woods. The bedrooms, I'll say okay. But FIVE FULL BATHS and 2 half Baths!!!! I suppose Katie Irene gets down on her hands and knees and scrubs each one herself. rofl.
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HAHAHA I just had a pic of Kate cleaning the toilets using her hair don't as a scrubby brush...

BTW I live in PA and housing in my area is very affordable. My daughter lives near Kate and the housing is extremely high for not much of a house. At this moment in time you could by a LARGE 4 bed 2 bath with huge rooms and garage for around 100 grand. We have some beautiful homes for sale that are huge for under 300 grand

doubleD said...

1. I don't blame them for wanting a bigger house. Their E-town house was nice, but with 10 people living in it, I could see how it would feel small, especially since their first floor living space was rather small. There was a living room, kitchen and eat in area, right? If that's where you spend most of your time as a family--that house qualifies as too small for them. It was a nice house, though and I'm sure tons of people would appreciate that much space.

2. Their new house is HUGE! That arial shot shows so much more of the house than you could see during filming. Holy cow. Amazing that it only has five bedrooms. I'm willing to bet John lives in that 800 sq ft apartment over the garage.

beigey said...

konhasyoufooled said:

BTW I live in PA and housing in my area is very affordable. My daughter lives near Kate and the housing is extremely high for not much of a house. At this moment in time you could by a LARGE 4 bed 2 bath with huge rooms and garage for around 100 grand. We have some beautiful homes for sale that are huge for under 300 grand

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Wow, what area are you in PA as I have never heard of property that low (well atleast in my area.) I am in the bucks/montgomery county area and the average home around here for a 2500 sq ft home with no land is $450,000 to $500,000.

konspiracytheory said...

Dr. Coolsex said:

Another new Jon and Kate parody webisode:

Garage Clean-Up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5D5OBdq3I0

Hope you guys like it.

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www.drcoolsex.com
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I almost fell off my chair laughing when Kate smacked the water out of Jon's hand - once again, excellent job!

kon+8=GREEDYPEOPLE said...

That house is a representation of how much space Kate needs to be away from people including her own children. She doesn't just want them out of her hair, she wants them acres and lots of square footage away from her.

I grew up in a fairly small house with 2 siblings and 2 working class parents of whom worked 2 jobs at one time to support the family and we all found time and space to learn to get along and love each other and be there for each other. My mother's kitchen was teeny tiny but I don't remember her ever shoo-ing any of us away and she cooked every day! We only had one living room and my memories are of her having her friends over for coffee there, hosting our birthday parties (b/c heaven forbid her children's birthdays are celebrated in the kitchen area!) and playing her guitar while we sang and danced as children. I wish Kate knew the kind of mother my mom was - when I was growing up all I knew was that she loved us so much, not how big my house was or the sacrfices she made for us to live and how hard life was for her. And most importantly, we didn't need a big house to see how much my mother loved my dad.

I wonder what kind of childhood memories those kids will have in that great big house. I'm sure none of them will involve loving memories of their mother.

Sydney White said...

Wow, that is a great house! I really like it!

Aunt Chris said...

"I only have one dishwasher and one oven but if I was cooking (and here's doubt that Kate cooks) for 10, I would definitely need two of each."

Gimme a break. We all know she doesn't actually cook, and paper plates don't go in dishwashers. If you were a SAHM I STILL don't think you'd need two of each especially a dishwasher. Maybe you'd do a couple loads a day. Two is just excessive and showy. And it's not like it' hard to load or unload a dishwasher. The machine does all of the real work for crying out loud.

mom of 5 children said...

I agree that I have never seen the kids eat off of regular plates - just paper plates, so one dishwasher is sufficient, but with all those kids, I don't think that owning two washing machines is showy or extreme. I have 5 children and with school uniforms, sports uniforms and regular clothes, and in addition to the adults' clothes, I am thinking of purchasing a second washer and dryer as it is non-stop washing at my house, and especially now with summer and the kids swimming in our pool, it seems that with all the towels used, I would need a seperate machine just for those.

konhasyoufooled said...

beigey said...

konhasyoufooled said:

BTW I live in PA and housing in my area is very affordable. My daughter lives near Kate and the housing is extremely high for not much of a house. At this moment in time you could by a LARGE 4 bed 2 bath with huge rooms and garage for around 100 grand. We have some beautiful homes for sale that are huge for under 300 grand

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Wow, what area are you in PA as I have never heard of property that low (well atleast in my area.) I am in the bucks/montgomery county area and the average home around here for a 2500 sq ft home with no land is $450,000 to $500,000.
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luzerne/columbia county.

Our 1600 sq foot home with 2 car oversized attached garage and detached oversized garage that will fit a semi with over 1/3 acre we paid 120,000.

In this area you could easily build a 3000 sq ft home with land for under 250 grand all depending on what you wanted. My daughter is trying to buy a home in Berks County and I couldn't believe what kind of house you get for 130 grand. tiny, no land and very old in much need of updating. Our area is overrun with homes for sale at very reasonable prices but you pretty much have to travel at least 40 minutes away to get paid a good wage

Bonnie said...

My family of 8 lived in 950 sq feet with our total property being only 3450 sq ft. yet if you asked any of us we would talk about "Michelle's room" or "my room". They were one and the same but each of us had a section of the room that was ours and we learned to respect everyone's space.

This family would manage JUST FINE if they chose to downsize. Ordinary people are doing it every day in this economy. Get a grip Kate!

wramblinwreck said...

No wonder TLC keeps the exterior shots of the house very close in, so you can't see the enormity of it. I agree with whoever said that with some creative fencing and landscaping, and paving an area behind the house for bike riding, they could protect their kids from being photographed while playing. Of course, why would they ever want to do that???

Dr. Coolsex, another great video. Love you guys!!

bored with the Gosselins said...

I don't understand the paparazzi interest in this family any longer. Everything that could go wrong has with the Gosselins and people are pretty much disatisfied with them (look at the many polls and the majority of them show the disinterest in Jon & Kate.) Why would they even bother with pics as the majority of them are the same. I mean how many can we see of the family "posed" in the front of the house when they can be in the back playing especially since they are so concerned with their privacy or how many of the same pics do we need to see of Kate going shopping .... the paparazzi can use the old pics they have as they are always the same old boring pictures.

Maggie said...

GrandRapids said...

... and Mady agitatedly exclaiming how Kate ruined her chances for happiness (while wearing a bib as a hat)...

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LOL!!!!!! Thanks -- I needed that visual and that laugh!!

GAmom said...

Thanks for pointing out the March photo links. In viewing those, I saw a few of the first home's "horrendously horrendous" remodel. I have to say, it truly was awful. No one deserves to have that hatchet job done on their home! (ok, except maybe Kate:)

Santa Cottontail said...

I must agree that the remodel of house #1 in Wyomessing is AWFUL!!! I usually never side with Kate but I would never live in a house decorated like that. They must have had a budget of only 2o dollars.

ICExploitation said...

They must have had a budget of only 2o dollars.

The decorating may have left something to be desired - but the actual work added 100K worth of equity to their house.

C said...

The house is massive. Just watching a few eps, I can't figure out the layout. There's easily at least 3 living rooms on the main floor!

The kids could easily each have their own rooms. A bedroom is considered a bedroom because it has a closet. I bet there is a study, den, etc - additional rooms - in the house that beds and dressers could be moved in so the kids could have their privacy as they grow (if they want to be alone, that is. They deserve it after having their lives filmed!) A closet is not necessary for a bedroom if you have an armoire or a large dresser.

C said...

doubleD: 1. I don't blame them for wanting a bigger house. Their E-town house was nice, but with 10 people living in it, I could see how it would feel small, especially since their first floor living space was rather small. There was a living room, kitchen and eat in area, right? If that's where you spend most of your time as a family--that house qualifies as too small for them. It was a nice house, though and I'm sure tons of people would appreciate that much space.

I agree that the first floor layout was pretty bad, but the bedrooms were HUGE (all the kids') and so was the basement and they seemed to have made that the kids' space anyway. They could have easily renovated the house to make the most of it (an addition, maybe getting rid of the wall that separated the kitchen and living room and making it a great room) but they decided to spend a million or so dollars instead.

They'll be sorry that they were so careless with their cash in a few years when the house gets foreclosed. Hate to say it, but I'm calling it.

The Queen's Castle said...

The twins have their own wing on the second floor off the kitchen, with their own bathroom, and
Hannah has her own room. Leah and
Alexis share a room with a bathroom separating the girls rooms. The boys all share the same room, but have their own bathroom in the room. Yes there are 3 living rooms, and a massive dining room which looks like it was never used, plus a family room area off the kitchen behind the kitchen table. Fully finished basement that is used as a children's playroom/family room, opens out to a covered patio, near the pool.
Its more room then 20 people would need and a huge waste of the children's money. The parents are only thinking of TODAY and not giving a darn about tomorrow. They are blowing money that did not have to be spent. All this while the old house rots on the market.
Shameful.

Vicki said...

All I can say is, that is one LOVELY, gorgeous home. If only it could be a happy home...

Angie said...

I have heard so many people defend the show by saying "They have to do the show or they'll lose the house" - and I always respond "Explain to me why the Gosselins need that big of a house just because they have eight kids. And then explain to me why it would be a tragedy if they couldn't afford to live their anymore and had to go live in a smaller house?" I have yet to get an answer that makes any sense. The more I look at pictures of their house the more ridiculous is seems that Jon and Kate were trying to sell the move as if "the kids need and deserve this house." No one needs a house that big. A lot of people may want it - but they don't need it.

a rose is a rose said...

County records show a $750,000 mortgage on the house, so no, TLC did not buy this for them, but the money from the show was used to put a big downpayment on it.
Meanwhile, they are still paying the upkeep and taxes on the old house just so it can sit vacant on the market, as well as any balance on that mortgage as well.
Stupid, inexperienced Jon and Kate.
Don't they realize that the house of cards can tumble down at any time and they are left holding the bag and two homes, PLUS all the utilities and upkeep. Thats Kate though, live for today.

PatK said...

Three living rooms?? I think I've seen what may be two different living rooms, but where is the third?

I hope they at least use that dining room for Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners, since I seriously doubt Kate throws dinner parties for all her friends. *snark*

Mom of 5 said...

...the old house is still sitting on the market....What was her frenzy to move out of there before it was sold? Was the kids money really burning that big of a whole in her pocket?

Well...having sold a house while having 4 kids under the age of 7 living in it...yeah, I'd move before selling if I could! It really is incredibly stressful to keep up the level of clean that you need to sell a house, not to mention having to frequently vacate the house with all of the kids.

But, I do see it [the old house] is over priced.

What makes you think that it is over priced? Assuming it really is approaching 3000 square feet, a $300K price tag seems like what I'd expect...and I only live about an hour away from it.


Isn't the total usable square footage [in the new house] closer to 9,000 to 10,000 because in Pennsylvania the basement isn't supposed to be included in the quoted square footage?

Yes, that is true. However, on the flip side...with cape cods such as the E-Town house, what is often done to calculate the square footage is take the square footage of the first floor and double it, which is over-estimating since the second floor is smaller than the first.

I have to say, I was a bit surprised to see that the E-town house is being listed as 3,000 square feet--it just doesn't look that big to me. It looks about the same size as my house--which is 2,400 square feet (including room over the garage--which we haven't finished yet), but my house is a colonial so that is a "true" measurement. NOT counting the walk-out basement, that we plan to finish some day...

I'm guessing that the realestate agent on the E-town house is counting the basement--sometimes they do. The tax records should have the accurate square footage.

Their E-town house was nice, but with 10 people living in it, I could see how it would feel small, especially since their first floor living space was rather small. There was a living room, kitchen and eat in area, right?

No, I don't think that was it. There were only 3 bedrooms on the 2nd floor, so 2 bedrooms had to have been on the first floor--one of which was the master, and may have had a full bath. Perhaps Jon used the second bedroom? I remember seeing lots of doors on a hallway coming off of the eating area. Also, there was a bathroom on the first floor, and I think the laundry room was as well--though that may have been in the basement.

I'm amazed though that the new house only has 5 bedrooms--what in the heck is going on with all of that space? It seems like there should be 6 or 7 bedrooms, in addition to an "in-law suite" fit into all of those wings of the house.

k8schm8 said...

bored with the Gosselins said...
I don't understand the paparazzi interest in this family any longer. Everything that could go wrong has with the Gosselins and people are pretty much disatisfied with them (look at the many polls and the majority of them show the disinterest in Jon & Kate.) Why would they even bother with pics as the majority of them are the same. I mean how many can we see of the family "posed" in the front of the house when they can be in the back playing especially since they are so concerned with their privacy or how many of the same pics do we need to see of Kate going shopping .... the paparazzi can use the old pics they have as they are always the same old boring pictures.

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For the same reason the idiots keep taking pictures of Heidi and Spencer. Nobody likes those despicable fame-whores, but the paparazzi keep taking fake, posed pictures of them everyday. (I guess it's the train wreck, I-hate-them-so-much-I-have-to-look factor). Unfortunately, I think they will continue to take pictures of the Gosselins until their 15 minutes are all shriveled up and gone.

what about the kids? said...

So that's what you can get nowadays for selling eight childhoods?

Sad!

Steph said...

If they can sell the Andrews house, they MIGHT be able to keep the mansion. But they spent over $150K on VEHICLES in the last few months, so I am not counting on them being able to keep the house. Families almost always take a financial hit during and after a divorce, and since neither one of these clowns actually thinks ahead or puts the kids first, I figure the house will be gone in two years at the most.

really said...

It is a waste of money because this huge house still doesn't have enough bedrooms for 8 kids. Kids are still sharing rooms. What is the point of getting an expensive gigantic house if there's not enough bedrooms for kids? It's just stupid.

I understand there's a lot of common areas in this house. Does Kate expect some of the kids to occupy the common areas as their bedrooms when they are preteen? Most common areas don't have doors. And people usually have to pass one area to access another. It just doesn't work.

Kate doesn't give a rat @#% about the kids.

grannyoftwo said...

I have heard so many people defend the show by saying "They have to do the show or they'll lose the house" - and I always respond "Explain to me why the Gosselins need that big of a house just because they have eight kids. And then explain to me why it would be a tragedy if they couldn't afford to live their anymore and had to go live in a smaller house?" I have yet to get an answer that makes any sense. The more I look at pictures of their house the more ridiculous is seems that Jon and Kate were trying to sell the move as if "the kids need and deserve this house." No one needs a house that big. A lot of people may want it - but they don't need it.

Exactly Angie....I agree. Nobody NEEDS a house that big. That is a want, not a need. Kate just doesn't know the difference at this point. Sad, very sad!

Ms.Peach said...

I absolutely love the property. I think they did need to move from the old E-town neighborhood due to harrassment from fans and lack of involvement with neighbors. HOWEVER, for 1.1 million they could have bought into a gated community with a security guard and gotten a house big enough for them. They are idiots to buy close to a public road and not close to school friends.

The kids are ALWAYS around each other or adults. It will be interesting to see how this affects their socialization skills. I can only say from my own observations that a child brought up like that is at high risk for isolation from their peers. They will be outcasts! I've witnessed it with a relative. As much as the paps are there, it is obvious those kids are not allowed buddies over to play. So sad.

The house is equivalent to the set in "The Truman Show".

Vanessa said...

Could someone post the link for the re-model/redecorating pictures of their firt house some of you are commenting on? (2$ budget one)
Thanks:)

Pilgrim Soul said...

I don't think a larger house was necessarily uncalled for - the other house could get tight with 10 people, sure... A little more land, a few more bedrooms, yes. But in a nice family neighborhood where the kids could make playdates easily and have some sense of community. What they ended up with - and I thought it was 1.4 million, no? - is for the parents and TLC - ostentation and a great set. I bet for $750K in that area they could have purchased a home that would have met their needs and kept them sane. Well all but Khate who is certifiable already. Also, that house would cost closer to 3 million in LA or here where I live in the NYC suburbs....

whydothat???? said...

I think the back yard is more suited for privacy for children. I surely wouldn't want my little children exposed to photographers in that light. Why????

Its almost over said...

No. The first rule of real estate is to NEVER move to a new home until your current one is sold.
In the event the old home is not sold, people that are hasty to move, often wind up paying TWO mortgages, which can quickly render them broke, or they have to take a big hit in price on the home for sale. Its playing financial roulette.

Secondly, Kate did NOT need all or that land. They will NEVER use it, as seen by how they use the couple feet from the front door. She only wanted that land to isolate themselves, and guess what, its not working because she doesn't really want to be out of site from the street. All a sham.

Kat-e-Tonic said...

Santa Cottontail said...
I must agree that the remodel of house #1 in Wyomessing is AWFUL!!! I usually never side with Kate but I would never live in a house decorated like that. They must have had a budget of only 2o dollars.

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Really? You could never live in a house that is DECORATED like that? I guess what makes that house beautiful was the fact that it was all done with volunteers "precious" time, and it was done at hardly any expense to Kon. When you don't have two dimes to rub together, and you get anything your greedy little outstretched hands wants, you give up your right to moan and complain. You can't have a champagne taste with a tap water budget...I am sure there are a lot of people who COULD have lived in a house decorated like that, and been eternally grateful for it.

Get it sold already said...

The Etown house has not sold for one reason...PRICE. For that area,
if you check the comps, its way over priced. There are two beautiful colonials in that same neighborhood for sale in the high $200,000 range and both have pools.
Kate is a what they call a 'pig' in real estate, someone who wants more then the home is worth, just because she wants to grab more money. So what you see is whats happened, the home sits and sits on the market. It is worth no more then they paid for it. They should price it properly, take the hit and get rid of it. Price is key.

Give me space said...

Funny how the Etown house had the SAME amount of bedrooms that the Konpound has. Yes the new place has 4 livingroom areas, but how often do the kids use them. They all gather down in the basement/family room.
Kate once said when they were showing the kids the new home for the first time, "Yes, the bedrooms are small, but that's so no one spends time there, and come down to use the rooms on the first floor." What kind of rational is that for kids that will all be teens some day soon, and cherish their privacy. She's all about her.

Oh, The Momma said...

Vanessa said...
Could someone post the link for the re-model/redecorating pictures of their firt house some of you are commenting on? (2$ budget one)
Thanks:)
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Is this the remodel you're looking for?:

http://www.fauxinteriors.com/nbc.php

Rosie said...

Kate didn't outgrow the Etown home.
Her EGO outgrew it. In her mind she needed the Konpound, because she felt the old house was beneath her. As far as privacy...if she was the least bit congenial with the neighbors, they'd have left her alone, but then again she LOVED hanging out front for a display to the world. Look its me, I'm Kate.

GAmom said...

Vannessa- There are a few remodel picts in the link on this blog. On the home page, go to March and scroll all the way down to the last thread and there is a link there.

I would love to see more if anyone has a more extensive link. A friend of mine was a volunteer in the early days and said the remodel (decor) was pretty bad. These picts prove it.

C said...

PatK said...
Three living rooms?? I think I've seen what may be two different living rooms, but where is the third?

As I said, I am still very unclear of the layout so I can't specify. It just appeared that there were many huge, furnished-like-living/seating/family rooms when they did the skimming of the house, following the kids playing.

Sharon said...

just wondering said...
ihatethisshow said...
sometimes I wonder just what in the world happened to this woman in her childhood. was she so deprived of material possessions? alienation of affection? basic necessities? what? although kevin appears 'normal', many times siblings can recall their formative years completely differently. what happened to KI?

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I remember in the episode about disciplan, Kate said, that she was "very over disciplaned". Also in the episode with Steve Thomas, she said she hates remodling because it reminded her, of her childhood because her father was always starting projects and never finishing them. Also in some interview she said, as a child she was always stressed and worried because there was "never enough". Of what she didn't say,but yes she acts like someone who needs to control everything because in her past she had no control. But as with a lot of us, who had the same type of childhood, we go and get therapy to get over these things because they are causing problems in our lives. But, first we have to be willing to see that there is a problem. I believe Katie Irene is light years away from ever doing that. But, also I can see her using this, when her world totally crumbles, and she hits rock bottom, it will be "please feel sorry for me because it's not my fault, it's because I had an unhappy childhood". But, as with all of us, there comes a point where it's time to let it go, grow up, and become a better, stronger person because of it. Whether kate will ever become strong enough to do this is a big mystery. Stay tuned.

Ms.Peach said...

Vanessa said...
Could someone post the link for the re-model/redecorating pictures of their firt house some of you are commenting on? (2$ budget one)
Thanks:)
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http://www.fauxinteriors.com/
nbc.php

Sharon said...

Last night was a Cake Boss marithon, and I found it so refreshing compared to the Gosselins. I like Cake boss, it has a funny spin to it. I really enjoy watching how he makes the cakes. That's a real family. When those two guys dropped the cake down the stairs, I got scared. But, at the same time laughing.

CountMeOut said...

How do we know the bedrooms are small? Kate said so? I don't believe that - I'm sure they are smaller than the tup's old bedrooms, which were humongous, but a house like that isn't going to have any small rooms. Besides, all the kids are doing is sleeping in there the house is so huge it's not like they have to keep their toys in there or play in there.

I have to agree with the poster who asked why they haven't installed any privacy stuff at the driveway - in LA, all the celebs have those electronic gates - I'm sure the G's could afford a gate on a million-dollar house.

Also, I think they moved not because the old house was too small, but because they wanted a mansion!!! And also, no neighbors. Let's call a spade a spade and puzzle over their explanation about the size of the old house - it's a lie!

Ms.Peach said...

BTW, I see a tall wood fence around the pool which has been concealed with the shrubs. I think the kids are safe from any accidents as long as there is a good gate lock. Since we don't know when the pic was taken, may be why there are no pool toys.

Now that Steve is gone, maybe Kate will invest in a pool boy toy?

abbra said...

With all the money Jon and Kate have made so far from the show and other activities they could have bought their house outright and wouldn't be stuck with a mortgage. They certainly have been making enough money to pay off the place.
Lets face it all the immenities they have been enjoying they have gotten as freebies.
Kate reminds me of Cousin Pearl from the Beverly Hillbillies. She went from Trailer to Mansion but she still is a Trailer Girl trying to be something that she will never be.

NotBuyingTheBS said...

If the Gosselin kids deserve a house that big because they were preemies and did so well developing, then my kid deserves a nice big house too, cuz he was a preemie (25 weeks) and did exceptionally well developing. Hey TLC, will you buy me a big house too? I can sit in the driveway on a white Wmart chair while watching my kids play too.

I'm so sick of hearing how the Gosselin kids are special b/c of what they survived as preemies, as if they were the only preemies in the world. Big deal there are 6 of them. They still had to develop as individual babies, just like mine. Now, if one of them was born with no arm, or was deaf, or had to overcome some physical ailment, then yes, they deserve alot in life. But to survive as a preemie? Their lives weren't even in jeopardy. I saw babies in the NICU every day have heart surgery, seizures, one with only one hand...what in the world did the Gosselin kids have to overcome accept the insanity of their parents?

Ann said...

Unless they are spending money really crazy, there should be no problem to upkeep both houses.How much to keep up the E-town house for a year $6k-7k (taxes are 2500 it has geo-thermal heat cool so $4-5 for ultilies and yard work).

25k for each speaking event?? and how many does kate have lined up? One speaking event should cover the taxes on both houses for a year and pay for a new ann taylor loft outfit and haircut and manicure.

The mortgage on 750000 is around $4500 a month which sounds like alot to me but with 75k+ an episode and 25k speaking fees shouldn't seem like alot to the J&K. 10 or less if J&K are getting more and episodes and the house is paid for 100%.

My5blessings said...

Angie Wrote:

"Explain to me why the Gosselins need that big of a house just because they have eight kids. And then explain to me why it would be a tragedy if they couldn't afford to live their anymore and had to go live in a smaller house?" I have yet to get an answer that makes any sense.
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Boy do I agree with you. Nor have I read a plausible reason.

This along with the statement I've read so many times... "You'd react like Kate IF YOU HAD EIGHT KIDS"

It makes no sense. No, I wouldn't act like Kate or Jon and no they don't and didn't need a larger house.

Perhaps what they needed was a studio they could go to WORK in rather than the "Reality show"/studio in their home. Allowing them to truly leave work at work like "normal" people.

It certainly would get them out of the darn driveway. Honestly, I've never seen anything like it. Gorgeous home, land up the wazoo and the children are constantly in the driveway. It's just plain strange.

a house is not a home said...

the house is just a shell - the largest shell on the beach

it is vacuous, empty, devoid of love, laughter, knowledge and above all FAMILY!!

soooo Katie Irene....a shell of her former self, eight miserable kids wandering around looking for their lost childhoods.

large enough to set up enemy camps, small enough to severely impact eight miserable kids

those kids would rather live in a tent if it meant a demonstrated track record of love and consistency in their lives

hope KON is happy because the eight people who built that house are far from it

narcissist and pimp care nothing about those kids, they are mere players in their endless public and private manipulation, period, end of story!

shanemotb said...

If there is a full apartment above the garage, then why doesn't the "one not in charge" stay there. As long as they stayed out of the way of the others it would save two more apartments and another house that is on the market. With the cash about to run out, they need to start thinking!!!

abbra said...

I was looking at that lovely photo of the house on GWP Homepage and I noticed that it looked like the swimming pool didn't have a fence around it. I could be wrong but if I am not that is a safety issue with the children.
Here in my area of NY its manditory to have fencing around all pools.
I can't believe that big a house wouldn't have more bedrooms either.

Annabanana said...

Sharon said...
Last night was a Cake Boss marithon, and I found it so refreshing compared to the Gosselins. I like Cake boss, it has a funny spin to it. I really enjoy watching how he makes the cakes. That's a real family. When those two guys dropped the cake down the stairs, I got scared. But, at the same time laughing.


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I haven't seen an episode of Cake Boss yet, but I recall seeing him as a competitor on a Food Network cake challenge, and I found him to be pretty arrogant and off-putting. Is that the case at all, or did I misjudge him?

3rd Rock From The Sun said...

They played in the driveway in the other house too. That house had nice big back yard. It seems like they just have a thing for playing in driveways.

rosie said...

Abbra, Good analogy.

silimom said...

First off : the remodel on their first house was indeed butt ugly. What was also ugly was Kate's filmed reaction - very snarky comments imo. These people donated their time and energy and so you smile graciously, say Thank You for all your hard work and a month later quietly repaint.

Second: The pool. I remember seeing a fence around the pool both in the real estate listings and on the show. I was concerned about it and relieved to see it there. I could be remembering wrong but I don't think so.

Third - The house was never purchased as a home. It's a tv set. The E house is great if you're living in it as a family. Add in a film crew and it gets real small real fast. So that's why they bought it - not for the kids but for the show. It's all about the show.

rosie said...

To see the entire layout of the Mansion, go to the episode where they brought the kids over to see the house for the first time. As Kate gets them into the front door she says "yes its our house!"
Then one by one she goes through each and every room. The 6 tups have upstairs bedrooms, where she states the boys are messy, so they get their OWN bathroom, and the girls share a bathroom between their bedrooms. Downstairs the main living room (see the twins desks on both sides of the double doors) Past that to the
Diningroom, Kitchen with adjoining family room, (and floor to ceiling windows). Back hall off the kitchen is the laundry, powder room and stairs to the twins wing. Pass those stairs and straight ahead another huge family room with large flat screen tv. Move to the rear of that room are stairs down to the lower level and there's another huge family room with kitchen and full bathroom. So, yes all together there are FOUR living/family rooms.
Kate's wing is on the main floor off the foyer. Huge mastersuite with whirlpool tub, double sinks and his and her walk in closets.
Just go back and watch that show, she describes it all. Don't forget the full apt. over the 3 car garage, and two huge barns.

Emmy said...

Annabanana said...
Sharon said...
Last night was a Cake Boss marithon, and I found it so refreshing compared to the Gosselins. I like Cake boss, it has a funny spin to it. I really enjoy watching how he makes the cakes. That's a real family. When those two guys dropped the cake down the stairs, I got scared. But, at the same time laughing.

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I haven't seen an episode of Cake Boss yet, but I recall seeing him as a competitor on a Food Network cake challenge, and I found him to be pretty arrogant and off-putting. Is that the case at all, or did I misjudge him?

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He's rather loud and bossy, but he makes some pretty fabulous cakes. It's fun to see how it's done. (My own cakes still have a sort of junior high look to them, although they do taste good!)

pinkdiamond611 said...

They play in the driveway because they don't want to show the vast amount of land they own. Everything is set up very close to the house. It was the same thing with the previous house. I actually believed they were moving because the didn't have a yard. Then after they "announced" they were moving they showed the kids playing in the yard. That is why Khate is always sitting in Walmart type patio chairs. Of course she has her designer patio set. They just don't show it.

Elvie said...

Cake Boss, as he is called is a proud Italian that learned cake decorating/baking from his father that died when he was 17 years old. The WHOLE family is involved in baking. I thought he might be a bit arrogant too when I first seen him on the Challenges but I think it is more he is "Old School" as he often says. I ended up rooting for him every time I seen on Food Network, he finally won one! You can learn a lot of old and new techniques of cake decorating and baking from "Cake Boss". I'm enjoying it, my sister said she is too.
BTW, my sis doesn't have the internet so when she was over the other day, I made sure to show the latest view of the Gosselin house. (Thanks for posting the pic.) She was ticked, it is quite the topic of discussion where she works. People don't know about this site or they still are being duped about the size of the house! Even people with the net, because they don't know where to look.

A Mom-ynous said...

I haven't seen an episode of Cake Boss yet, but I recall seeing him as a competitor on a Food Network cake challenge, and I found him to be pretty arrogant and off-putting. Is that the case at all, or did I misjudge him?

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Could be the editing, but I find him to be comical on the show--and the mother is a hoot.

I watched the "bachelorette" cake episode and it was hilarious.

I saw a preview of the one where the helpers drop a cake in a stairwell that they had spent days creating--his reaction was priceless.

I don't sense arrogance--but it could be the editing, or maybe his personality doesn't conflict with mine.

But it's not a home said...

Aw Barb. You're just so sweet!

Yolanda said...

Here's the youtube video where you see more of the house. It's when the kids get their first glimpse of their new home:

http://snipurl.com/mbfwu

Mom of 5 said...

I think they did need to move from the old E-town neighborhood due to harrassment from fans and lack of involvement with neighbors.

Huh? I may be living under a rock...but I don't think the fans were really harrassing them at their old house. Nor the "paps." I could be wrong...but I don't think the paps really got involved until AFTER Jon was photographed with Deanne...and I strongly believe that the photos/video with Deanne were taken by her brother. I think having a body guard was really for show...more Kate's ego than anything.

As for lack of involvement with neighbors...I doubt that has changed, and really, it isn't a reason to sell a house. Some people want to be involved with their neighbors, some don't.

Shannon said...

I have driven by the house and it really is not that far away from the road. The way the driveway curves it makes it look a lot longer then it really is. It is not like it is just along the roadside, but it is not so far that the paps can't take very close up pics. However, if KON really wanted to keep their life private then there is plenty of place in the back of the house where they cannot be seen. It is odd though that both times I have driven by it was earily quite...none of the G's were out front and no paps were in sight. You could see the cars in the driveway, but no people. Also, for the person who commented about them having a security fence for their driveway...they do have one. The fence along the road is just a regular fence, but they have a metal pin activated security gate at the driveway.

antique lady said...

GAmom said...
Thanks for pointing out the March photo links. In viewing those, I saw a few of the first home's "horrendously horrendous" remodel. I have to say, it truly was awful. No one deserves to have that hatchet job done on their home! (ok, except maybe Kate:)
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The decor was bad, really bad. But please remember that precious volunteers from the church did the work and donated the materials required in the expansion/remodel. The Home Delivery show came in last-minute and contracted the "decorators."

Another thing, I was incensed when Kate said those things about her childhood and her father to Steve Thomas. How insulting to the father who did everything to help you when you had six babies! Saying such things on television about your parent is really low. People like her don't have bad childhoods, just bad attitudes.

Ms.Peach said...

Mom of 5 said...
I think they did need to move from the old E-town neighborhood due to harrassment from fans and lack of involvement with neighbors.

Huh? I may be living under a rock...but I don't think the fans were really harrassing them at their old house.
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Tires were slashed, house egged, and fans were walking up to the house, knocking on door and even trying to peek inside windows. That's why the No Trespassing signs went up. Paps didn't bother them at all at old house because they weren't the circus item they are now. They didn't interact with the neighbors and actually shunned them. The neighbors didn't like all the vehicle traffic through the neighborhood by lookie loos and parking of vehicles by Figure 8 crew when filming. If filming outdoors, neighbors were told to not run lawn mowers or anything noisy. The Gosselins were lucky they weren't run out of town on a rail.

Video said...

I loved the Dr. Coolsex video! "Kate's" chest hair and farmer's tan are great! hahaha

Barb said...

Oh dear, looks like their is another Barb that is posting. I definitely don't share the same opinion as the one who posted upthread. So from now on I will sign my post as

Barb In Nebraska

Sue in PA said...

3rd Rock From The Sun said...
They played in the driveway in the other house too. That house had nice big back yard. It seems like they just have a thing for playing in driveways.

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But they do have a choice. They chose to play in the front. If the kids want to ride bikes, they could put a concrete pad in the back. It is their choice!

Sharla said...

Sorry, Barb. It looks like a troll who slipped through. We've had issues like that lately. It's been removed.

antique lady said...

Does anyone know why the paps are allowed to park in front of their house and stand at the fence? Someone upthread had mentioned how dangerous it is to travel that road because of the traffic and parkers.

My point of reference is that I live in a general area with a number of real celebrity/sports star residents. The local police, within city limits, would not allow this activity. The sheriff, outside city limits, would not allow this activity. No loiterers allowed.

We have a long, narrow, two-lane road in our town lined with true mansions, not mc-mansions. People in mansions enjoy being on this type of road because gawkers cannot park or slow down to stare at the houses.

I am very curious about, not only why neighbors at E-town house tolerated the goings-on, but why neighbors or locals who travel the road the G's now live on tolerate the parkers. All it takes is someone getting the sympathy of a city council person or county rep to institute an ordinance.

I simply do not understand how or why the paps are allowed to park or loiter there.

Momof2inMD said...

Yolanda said...
Here's the youtube video where you see more of the house. It's when the kids get their first glimpse of their new home:

http://snipurl.com/mbfwu

7/07/2009 2:05 PM
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Since I never was a regular watcher of this show, I didn't see this episode. Wow!

"All mine, all mine.... as far as I can see." GAG

I can't believe she made such a big deal out of the fridge... heck... the whole kitchen. How embarrassing for the prior owner. Couldn't she have done that without cameras?

Maggie said...

CountMeOut said...

I have to agree with the poster who asked why they haven't installed any privacy stuff at the driveway - in LA, all the celebs have those electronic gates - I'm sure the G's could afford a gate on a million-dollar house.

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They actually DO have an electronic gate at the end of their very long driveway. The fact is, they have plenty of opportunities for privacy -- they could stay on the other side of the house where the pool is (not visible from the street) -- or build a playground on their mega-acres, in a private spot, where the kids can play/ride bikes. As many have said before, Kate chooses to squat in that god-forsaken white chair on the driveway BECAUSE the cameras can see her there. She's the worst kind of attention whore: She consistently provides photo-ops for the paparazzi, and then turns around and complains that they're taking her picture. So gross.

Oh Ren said...

I live near the Gosselins and knew people that worked on the Wyomissing remodel. I have to bring up that these people gave their time and energy to help people that they felt were in need. (Regardless of what anyone thinks of the decorating.) A lot of people helped the Gosselins over the years. Are the Gosselins paying it forward at all? There was just an article in the Reading Eagle about a family that had to live out of their SUV. It was really a good article and these people were very deserving of some help which they just received. I know that the Gosselins had that yard sale and donated the procedes to the children's cancer hospital and that's great but a lot of the things they sold were donated to begin with. Not to mention Kate just yelled and complained all day while other people worked. I just can't believe that a family that has received sooooo much in their short lives aren't doing more for their fellow people. They are off spending their time on getaways at spas and skiing and whooping it up when people who live in the same town that helped them so freely are suffering soooo much. This just makes me incredibly sad. They have so many material posessions now and for what? I hope KON read their local paper today and saw that 3 little girls and their parents have been living in their car and in church shelters for months right here where they are from. There are many other families in this same situation in Reading. These are very unsettling times in this country and it is scary to think of the problems a lot of people are encountering. I can't believe that the Gosselins can't see that they have been given very very very much since their children were born and have worked very little to get it all. I hope I see one of them at Giant or Target one day (without any of their kids) so I can ask them what they have done to pay it forward.

TN_Mamato4 said...

Out of all of the frivolous spending, I feel that the purchase of the house WAS one of their better investments!

PLUS, their old house WAS nice and big, but the layout was awful. It was very choppy w/ smaller rooms. While they continue to say they bought the house for "the kids", I believe it's one of their actual (half) truths!

It's a nice house. I just hope after their 15 min of fame is up they can actually afford the upkeep!

disgusted in nj said...

Just did a little arithmetic based on $40,000 an episode (low end) - they could have bought this house for cash a few times over. Didn't even factor in the speaking engagements, the "love offerings" or the book money. Who is she kidding? They recently celebrated (?) their 100th episode - that is $4,000,000.00!

Looked at the video of the new house and would like to know who combs/brushes hair in the kitchen? I am not a germophobe and even I wouldn't do that in my kitchen.

Makes me sick every time she opens her mouth!

Maggie said...

I just re-watched the "Mold-gate" episode (i.e., when they first took all the kids to run through the McMansion). What stood out to me -- aside from Kate's constant bitching and complaining about the mold in the refridge -- was the burning question: If you can afford this McMansion, do you really expect us to believe that YOU'RE having to clean out a moldy kitchen???? Come on. For $75,000 an episode, I'm sure you can afford a visit from Molly Maids.

Becky Q in PA said...

Regarding a possible lawsuit against TLC: I don't think Kate would sue, because she'd have to admit her complicity in the destruction of her family and the negative effects on the kids--she'd have to say she was WRONG! Also, she's stated publicly that they'd have divorced with or without the show. We've all seen her contradict herself to suit her needs at the moment, though, so maybe once she figures out how much MORE money she can milk out of TLC once the show is canceled, she'll change her story.

Oh, man, I hate that woman!

anotherthing said...

i bet theyre broke inside of 5 years.

...any takers?

GAmom said...

Does anyone have a link to the "homecoming" show where they did the reveal of the renovation? I've never seen that.

While I agree that no matter what you are given, you should be gracious, I can't imagine being able to be personally excited about that remodel. All I would have been thinking is: I have 6 new babies and now I have to find the time to undo this nightmare?

Just seems like they made no effort to do any reaearch into the family's personality or taste, or even what current trends are (looked like a house out of 1983- seriously damaging to resale value). I think that somewhat takes away from the generosity of the volunteers/ TV show/ whoever paid for the decor. Not a Kate fan by any stretch, I'm just sayin'...

anotherthing said...

about paying forward...

i think that kate especially, would never do such things. because she has always thought that she was/is ENTITLED to what she has. it was 'due her'.

she will never see the reality of the situation. it would require empathy. compassion. thinking. the ability to see the 'bigger picture'. these are all things that she will never be capable of. because she is too self-involved. too self-centered. to her, there is nothing beyond kate gosselin.

its sad and repulsive. appalling even. but true. ive met/known people like her. and the depth and breadth of this 'illness' is mind boggling.

as for the street ordinances/loitering paps/gawkers....

i dont get it either. that would never fly in so cal. ever. or most places id imagine. its not safe. for drivers. for neighbors. for the city. (imagine the lawsuits people could slap on the city for not controlling this situation if there was an accident). they could make it a private drive... im sure the city would cooperate.... $$$$$$... money talks. money makes things happen. sounds bad. but its true. you can buy privacy.

anotherthing said...

ps... forgot to add: you can buy privacy. IF they are willing to give up the publicity/pap shots and the faux-feeling of being important with all of the on-lookers.

Becky Q in PA said...

BTW, I keep thinking about something I learned in sociology class.

There's documentary, Nai, Portrait of a K!ung Woman, about the African hunter/gatherer tribe featured in The Gods Must Be Crazy whose language consists of clicks, etc. (Please forgive me if I don't have all the details right, but it's been a few years).

They interviewed Nai over a period of years, and it was amazing the devastating effect that the film crew had on the whole tribe.

The tribe had always worked together and shared things, but she got special gifts that she wouldn't share. She became very arrogant, saying they filmed her because she was more beautiful than all the other women, and I'm pretty sure she cheated on her husband, too. The rest of the tribe ostracized her.

Kate reminds me so much of Nai. There's no WAY that the filming hasn't changed those kids irrevocably. I think the filming of Kate's nasty comments about Jon and the kids encouraged her to be MORE snarky and nasty, thinking she was somehow entertaining. (She reminds me of a little kid whose bad behavior was rewarded--oh yeah, just like Mady's has been at times).

Also, Quantum Theory experiments show that even at the subatomic level, particles act differently in the presence of a conscious observer. (I don't understand it, but it's true).

I hope Kate is saving some of those speaking fees, because her kids are bound to sue her for every penny she's worth someday. (And I hope they let her rot in a home when she's old!)

dhdavis3 said...

I am sure she didn't scrub to long. If you notice later in the show there was a new frig in place.

just wondering said...

antique lady said...
Does anyone know why the paps are allowed to park in front of their house and stand at the fence?

My point of reference is that I live in a general area with a number of real celebrity/sports star residents. The local police, within city limits, would not allow this activity. The sheriff, outside city limits, would not allow this activity. No loiterers allowed.

I simply do not understand how or why the paps are allowed to park or loiter there.

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You pretty much answered your own question. They do not live in the city limits. They live out in the county.

Geri said...

anotherthing said...
i bet theyre broke inside of 5 years.

...any takers?

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I would agree with you except I think Jon will do a tell-all book which will rake in about 10 mill.

antique lady said...

GAmom said...
Does anyone have a link to the "homecoming" show where they did the reveal of the renovation? I've never seen that.
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I need some time, I'll find it for you. Will also find the Reading Eagle article describing the work that the volunteers did on the house. When you see the "before" photos, the room expansions, sheetrock, taping and bedding, you are seeing their work.

The point of my last post was, that NOTHING takes away from the work of the church volunteers on the house. Their efforts added space and equity to the house. They were surely as disappointed in the "decorating" as you and I.

What the church volunteers and the commercial donors accomplished has not been properly acknowledged.

antique lady said...

just wondering:

You pretty much answered your own question. They do not live in the city limits. They live out in the county.
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No, I did not, if you read the post. The sheriff and deputies enforce county ordinances.

WallyWinnie said...

My husband and I call people like the G's "driveway grillers".

These are people who want everyone to see them AS ONE BIG HAPPY FAMILY!

We used to live across the street from a family of mom, dad and 1 kid and they had installed a huge pool and deck in the gigantic back yard....even privacy fenced it all...yet they still played ball, sat in PLASTIC lawn chairs, had firepits and GRILLED out in the dam driveway! The dog was even chained up OUT FRONT.

So every time someone moves in our new neighborhood, and we see the grill in the driveway, WE DIE!!!

a rose is a rose said...

I have NEVER in my life heard ANYONE say something like "mine, all mine, as far as the eye can see" "we needed this, the kids needed this" If I did ever hear someone I knew speak like that, they'd never see me again. How appalling to hear those words.
It made me ill. What a HUGE EGO.
She actually feels entitled to that house. Unreal.

nanasez said...

"Kate reminds me so much of Nai. There's no WAY that the filming hasn't changed those kids irrevocably."
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Yep. One of the major "rules" of experimental psychology is to be aware that the presence of an observer automatically changes the dynamic of the group being observed.



"Kate didn't outgrow the Etown home.
Her EGO outgrew it. In her mind she needed the Konpound, because she felt the old house was beneath her."
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ITA! This is the complete and utter truth, IMO.

They had plenty of room in the old house. They had a huge yard and lots of room to add on. They could have even converted the garage to living area, since it was never used for vehicles. That house could have easily been paid off and renovated by this point. But Kate need to be mistress of a manor, as befits her new "station" in life.

They are horrible stewards of their children's money.

rachelk said...

is there a youtube video of when they had their very first house remade?

it's got to be out there somewhere but i haven't found it yet.

antique lady said...

For a less than off-the-cuff response than previously, think it through, how can TLC filming crew ask the E-town neighbors to not mow, make noise, etc. during filming without legal repercussions? I did notice how deserted the residential street was when Jon or the kids were filmed roller blading or biking, and it was strange.

In the G's current house, how can anyone be standing at a private fence, parked on a road with no shoulder, not be questioned and told to move on by authorities?

We had a neighbor whose teenaged daughter gave a party. Someone at her school copied the invitation and passed it around. Many non-invitees showed up on the street, parking cars in front of the neighbors. The police and sheriff's department were here and moved all the cars out, made some arrests for getting in people's yards, etc.

Anyway, if it is now different in PA, go to your county commissioner!

fidosmommy said...

I totally agree that the remodel of the old house was pretty atrocious. The problem comes when the decorators go with their own tastes instead of asking what the
homeowners would like. Kate may have preferred plain walls and a cute border instead of murals.

I live in a church manse (parsonage) and believe me, when a committee decorates between pastors
it can get pretty interesting. One manse was newly done completely in shades of brown, except one room that was some kind of electric blue. Absolutely ugly from top to bottom, and I was stuck with it for a lot of years.
The curtains were stiched by a church member and they were nothing more than dust collectors that I despised.

This current manse came with all white walls, no carpet and no drapes. They told me when I was ready, they would come paint, hang curtains and install carpet I personally selected. They paid for it all, the labor was all volunteer.

THAT's the way to volunteer to remodel a house somebody else is going to live in!

I bet the kind people at Kate and Jon's church have learned that now.
Their hearts were in it, but they just took too much for granted.

HateKate said...

Price $1,350,000
Acres 23.88

6200 Square Feet
Rooms 14
Bedrooms 5
Full Bathrooms 5
Half Baths 2


4 Stall Barn
3 Bay Garage with 800 SF Apartment
2400 Gal Pool with Hot Tub

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5 BRs. one for khate. one for the boys, one for mady and cara, one for the girls.that's four. Guess who got the fifth bedroom? Hannah, who "has migraines" has her own room. Not her older sisters. Her, mommy's pet. Not Hannah's fault. It's her poor excuse for a mother who has manipulated and favored her children.

antique lady said...

fidosmommy said...
I totally agree that the remodel of the old house was pretty atrocious.
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I deeply appreciate your situation, and am very familiar with it.

Please understand that the precious church people who donated their talents, time, and materials to remodel that first house had nothing to do with the subsequent decorating. It was contracted by a network and television show for viewing by the general public.

The people who did the expansion/remodel did it out of love and concern for the Gosselins. Their efforts added space and equity to the house.

They should be properly appreciated.

SundayRose said...

Becky Q in PA said, "There's no WAY that the filming hasn't changed those kids irrevocably. ______________________________
Yes, and this can already be seen in the twins as they recently "mugged" for the camera in the "Crooked Houses" episode. Perhaps they are feeling a certain celebrity status when among their peers at school. How could they not? These kids have been given more and experienced more (vacations/special passes at events) than most kids will ever experience in their childhoods or lifetimes. And being stars of their own TV show surely has an impact on their lives. The same will hold true for the tups. Kate's diva attitude is a negative driving force in forming their character as well.

Harriet said...

I have to say that I think what was done to help the Gosselins in Wyomissing was wonderful. The decorating generally wasn't all that bad. The downstairs was pretty good to lovely IMO. Upstairs, I'd have toned down the twins' room, but that would have been easy to remove the drapy material and such. The tups room didn't bother me as I favor bright rooms for babies. The bath though. I could find no justification for that one. But hey, one bad room isn't that bad.

maira said...

The house is beautiful. And pool looks VERY inviting. Wish I had a pool.

Erica.In.TN said...

kate said that they were moving to a "forever house" and it would be a place where they could come and always feel at home. The irony is that the big, beautiful, new "forever house" will probably represent everything horrible for those kids. it will be the place where their parents marriage fell apart and all the trauma that goes with that. im breaks my heart for them.

Jake said...

I have to disagree that there was only one bad room. The kids bedrooms were awful as well as the bath. But even more important, when people are decorating someone else's house, it seems critical to talk to them and get and idea for their taste. Why didn't they ask Kate and Jon about colors and what they would like? It seems like it would have saved a lot of trouble.

Pilgrim Soul said...

But why, oh why, is HANNAH the favorite? Is she the first born? Is she developmentally ahead of the other tups, so Kate can interact with /influence her more than the others? Make her a mini-Kate?

rosie said...

The twins hamming it up for the camara in the crooked house episode, was a little unnerving
to me. It was almost like 'little divas' in the making. And surprisingly Cara too. The quiet twin was right there at it. They must be taught humility..and now.
Very few and privledged individuals live like that. Where is the parenting! These are the things that parents should totally be aware of, so to curb overt behavior.

rosie said...

Hatekate..you are absolutely correct with your figures and placement of rooms. It is publicly recorded data of the size of the house/land/barns/garage and apt., as well as the price of the home (which most people incorrectly state)
And yes the placement of the children is totally spot on.
5 bedrooms and everyone shares except Hannah. Not the oldest girl tup, which would make sense, no,
Hannah. Good analogy.

Oh, The Momma said...

disgusted in nj said...
Just did a little arithmetic based on $40,000 an episode (low end) - they could have bought this house for cash a few times over. Didn't even factor in the speaking engagements, the "love offerings" or the book money. Who is she kidding? They recently celebrated (?) their 100th episode - that is $4,000,000.00!

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While those numbers are true - we need to stay as close to 'reality' (pardon the pun) as possible.

Let's say the $4mil is correct. You have to then take away Uncle Sam's piece - probably upwards of 30-40% - and other 'normal expenses (car insurance and such). I am assuming they also have to pay taxes on some of the 'gifts' they've received?

Not that they still haven't made a boatload of money -- there's still the speaking engagements and the profits from her books (how many copies of Multiple Blessings have been sold - even if she was only making $1 per book - there's a nice chunk right there), etc - but they've also spent a ton of money on stupid stuff and now are probably laying out an insane amount of money for Attorneys retainers and legal fees.

Jennifer D said...

And here's the kicker- at least for me:

IF Kate had been honest about the house and expressed gratitude, I would not have a single issue with it. If she had said "Without this show and the support of the public, we would never have been able to afford this home. I feel like we won the lottery. I never dreamed I would have a home like this!"...and then she should have proceeded to show us the entire house instead of trying to hide how spacious it was. They should have shown it off and gushed about how blessed they felt. Show off the pool! I would have celebrated with them. Honest.

Instead they showed the bedrooms very briefly, a few of the main rooms, the basement and the barn. They have continued to film in a manner that is deceptive. TLC/KON attempted to hide the truth from the public and that was likely the final nail in their already well-built coffin. They seemed to think they were smarter than the public and that is very insulting. Did they really believe the original listing would never be found?

And now, they know the public is aware of the truth and they still continue to film only part of the house. They continue to thumb their noses at us. When will they film the kids enjoying that amazing pool? Wouldn't we love to see the kids enjoying themselves? Couldn't we forgive some of it if only we could see the kids benefitting?

It's the arrogance, the entitled attitude and the deception that can't be masked. TLC is in over their heads and they are too full of themselves to see that. A mature network would have read these blogs and made the adjustments.

Fakes To The End said...

Jenna D: I totally agree with you. It is the dishonestly that pisses off the American people. It is the disingenuiousness about everything that makes us feel we've been taken by a couple of grifters. And they continue to be fakes.

Rebecca F. said...

I would also love a link to the renovation episode where Kate criticizes the job the church people did. I've searched for it but couldn't find it,

Does anyone have it?

lifeoriley said...

I think the decor of the Wyomissing house makeover was a little over-the-top--not my style, especially the painting of the sinks. Most of the other cosmetic stuff could easily be remedied. Take down the material draping the twins' room and paint over the murals. Not really that big of a deal. The curtains and the matching bedding in the tups room were nice (six brand-new matching cribs! My first baby was in a crib borrowed from my sister).
Also, the point is, the big expense of the makeover was turning the garage into a finished master bedroom and the addition of another brand-new bathroom (fyi, expensive projects, if you ever have to pay for them yourself). That is what added approx. $100,000 in equity to their old house--the murals and the fake flowers on the bathroom wall were just cosmetic.

CW said...

I can sort of understand why the Gosselins did not show all of their new house. Would you really want all of America seeing every nook and cranny of your home? Any creepy, messed up person who had the idea to possibly kidnap the children, or rob the home, would know their way around the Gosselin home without even being inside of it. I see not showing the whole house as a safety and privacy concern. This also allows the kids to be in their bedrooms if they don't want to be filmed because cameras are not allowed in the bedrooms.

allie said...

I love how J&K have faded into the background with the death of Michael Jackson. I bet KON is going crazy trying to cook up ways to keep their family in the spotlight.

I hope with the news of their divorce and the postponement of the show, they will be forgotten.

Jennifer D said...

The remodel was terrible, in my opinion anyway. I would be very upset to find my bathroom and nursery looking like that. The mural looked like a church nursery I would have been staying up late to paint the nursery a nice calming shade of something. The bathroom is just too silly to justify.

Mae said...

Mon of 5 said..
"No, I don't think that was it. There were only 3 bedrooms on the 2nd floor, so 2 bedrooms had to have been on the first floor--one of which was the master, and may have had a full bath. Perhaps Jon used the second bedroom? I remember seeing lots of doors on a hallway coming off of the eating area. Also, there was a bathroom on the first floor, and I think the laundry room was as well--though that may have been in the basement."

as soon as I read this I remembered there was a second bedroom on the first floor that was once used for Cara and Mady to study. There was never any more shots filmed in that space. It probably was used for Jon's room, if he wasn't the one sleeping in the basement

Mae said...

"I can't believe she made such a big deal out of the fridge... heck... the whole kitchen. How embarrassing for the prior owner. Couldn't she have done that without cameras?"


Did you notice that she got a new fridge anyways? She spent "4 hours" cleaning it and complaining about it, just to get a new stainless one. The original one had wood panels.

Sue in PA said...

Jennifer D said...
And now, they know the public is aware of the truth and they still continue to film only part of the house. They continue to thumb their noses at us. When will they film the kids enjoying that amazing pool? Wouldn't we love to see the kids enjoying themselves? Couldn't we forgive some of it if only we could see the kids benefitting?
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Ok, This whole thing about not filming in the house doesn't bother me. What we have been seeing on the shows are the "common living" areas. The kitchen, family room and living room. These are the same areas of the house you see when you visit your friends and family. At least with mine, we don't generally hang out in the bedroom. I also think the kids should have a private area, they can go and not be filmed. What better then their own bedrooms?

As for the swimmming pool, they just moved in last what, November or so? We've only seen episodes filmed into early May. Since we have not seen any of the summer episodes, I don't think it is fair to say they are hiding the pool. After we see the summer filming we will be about to find out if they are hiding the pool.

The only real problem I have with their home, is they continue to hang out in front, then complain about the p-people. The house is less then 100 yards from the road. If you don't want to be seen, use another part of that 26 acres!

Sue in PA said...

nanasez said...
They had plenty of room in the old house. They had a huge yard and lots of room to add on. They could have even converted the garage to living area, since it was never used for vehicles. That house could have easily been paid off and renovated by this point. But Kate need to be mistress of a manor, as befits her new "station" in life.

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The only real problem I saw was the kitchen was small for a family that size. A remodel would have been cheaper then moving. Then again, my house was built in the 1920's and my kitchen is even smaller, I live with it!

I did read several articles about disagreements with the E-town neighbors. Jon seemed to get along with them; Kate did not. And I did read the stuff about the film crews telling people not to cut their lawns during filming. I think they wore out there welcome! I won't be surprised if the neighbors didn't try to go after them for zoning laws or something.

Jennifer D said...

CW said...
I can sort of understand why the Gosselins did not show all of their new house. Would you really want all of America seeing every nook and cranny of your home? Any creepy, messed up person who had the idea to possibly kidnap the children, or rob the home, would know their way around the Gosselin home without even being inside of it. I see not showing the whole house as a safety and privacy concern. This also allows the kids to be in their bedrooms if they don't want to be filmed because cameras are not allowed in the bedrooms.
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I don't mean to disrespect you in any way, so I hope this doesn't come out that way. My anger is only at the Gosselins so please don't take my tone personally.

Privacy has never been a concern of the Gosselins. This is the same couple that installed cameras in their children's bedrooms. This is the same couple that allowed their divorce to be displayed in front of the nation. These are the same two numbskulls that sit in front of their garage so the paparazzi can get a shot of them. Privacy? No, the decision had nothing to do with that.

The decision to HIDE the fact that they have a huge pool and a tremendously large home had nothing to do with privacy. It's all about DECEPTION. They were trying to fool people. They thought they could fool us into thinking that this was a slightly nicer than average home.

Then when they showed the new home they made comments like "Mommy and Daddy worked very hard to get this house. Total BS and we all know it. They still think we are stupid enough to buy the wares that they are peddling. Not an ounce of reality or gratitude.

I agree that it would not make sense to show every nook and cranny or display a floor plan for a would-be child abductor. They easily could have taken shots of the highlights. Instead they continue to try to fool us with the "clever" camera angles. Now that I see the arial view it makes me wonder how they did the "Going Green" episode without accidentally getting the pool in any of the shots. That must of been a nightmare to edit. (BTW- I always thought the Going Green episode was a bit ironic since these two are all about the green)

TLC and KON thought they could continue to manipulate the viewers and it came back to bite them.

Jennifer D said...

I promise not to beat a dead horse anymore here. I am known to be a little (or a lot) headstrong and this is something I feel very strongly about.

You can watch every episode in the new house and see that they were HIDING that pool. Come on, it's one of the highlights of the place. To have not shown it is very obvious. They had Jon in the yard with the kids and the pool was never shown in any of the shots? The going green episode and the pool was somehow never shown? Look at the location of the solar panels- right above the pool! They clearly made sure the dang thing was never shown.

I fully expected to see Kate talking about the safety of the pool and the new rules and how they were looking forward to summer to use it. ZIP- Nada- NO WORD. It was intentional.

Last thing- they show that place at a very specific angle from the front of the house. It downplays the size completely. My own mother is a sheeple and she refused to believe me when I told her the house was actually huge. I had to show her the arial shot and then her jaw dropped.

I don't ~need~ to see every private area of the home but I would appreciate KON at least being HONEST about it.

My5blessings said...

Did you notice that she got a new fridge anyways? She spent "4 hours" cleaning it and complaining about it, just to get a new stainless one. The original one had wood panels.
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I never saw the episode of them getting their new home.

I watched the clip of Jon and Kate taking the kids to see the new house, included was her cleaning the fridge.

I couldn't watch part 3-- I was so disgusted by what I had already seen.

Didn't anyone notice her children had gone potty and were yelling to be wiped. Because they had gone too far away in the house, she said basically oh well, shouldn't have gone so far. Yelled for Cara to wipe their hineys, when Cara said, no... she said they'd have to wait and then yelled for Jon in that horrible Jooooooon yell she has.

Unbelievable. I don't know how people stand her. Really, how has she been on Television for so long? How has she found any friends at all?

Her family? I can tell you, I would feel great relief if she cut me out of her "friend circle" or "family circle"

She has got to be the nastiest person I've ever come across.
Of all the shows, clips etc. I've seen, that definitely ranks up there with the worst.

My jaw is still on the floor.

Sara said...

I am on board with everything everyone says, except that it makes more sense for them not to live in a subdivision. If they are planning on having a reality show, isnt it better for everyone if the crew isnt driving the neighbors crazy, and there is more room for the kids to play without the chance of "catching" a neighbor on film and having to deal with that?Yes I'm sure it would have been cheaper for them to add on to the old house, but seriously, it doesnt make sense to stay there if your life is a tv show.

I cant stand Kate and I think she's ridiculous, but I cant say that if I had the money, I wouldnt be doing the same things (house, cars, nice clothes, vacations, boob job). *shrug*

Sue in PA said...

Home prices vary quite a bit in PA. I live in the the Pittsburgh area and the same house can be anywhere from $50K to $300K just depending on the neighborhood it is in. That also applies out side the major cities. One house maybe quite a bit less expensive because it is in a rural area. Take that same house and put it in a rural area near (but not at)a ski resort, lake etc., hand the price will sky rocket.

heythat'snotrainonmyleg said...

IF Kate had been honest about the house and expressed gratitude, I would not have a single issue with it. If she had said "Without this show and the support of the public, we would never have been able to afford this home. I feel like we won the lottery. I never dreamed I would have a home like this!"...and then she should have proceeded to show us the entire house instead of trying to hide how spacious it was. They should have shown it off and gushed about how blessed they felt. Show off the pool! I would have celebrated with them. Honest.

You are exactly right, imho. By showing the complete house along with the pool and complete grounds, humbly and gratefully explaining their bounty, people would have accepted the Gosselins more easily. Instead they chose to lie, act sneakily and hide things such as the pool or with the tight shots act like they are still poor when the 'jig is up'.

The problem also lies where Kate still wants people to feel sorry for her and give her money via books, tickets, offerings when she is now richer than the people doling out the funds can ever hope to be.

stillraining said...

CW said,

I can sort of understand why the Gosselins did not show all of their new house. Would you really want all of America seeing every nook and cranny of your home? Any creepy, messed up person who had the idea to possibly kidnap the children, or rob the home, would know their way around the Gosselin home without even being inside of it.
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This is one of the reasons that the show shouldn't exist at all. These parents have allowed every creepy person in the world to own hours upon hours of footage of their kids, all because they want free vacations, free motorcycles, free clothes, etc.

Its still over for them said...

In the episode when Jon is home alone with all the kids, and Kate is on 'tour', he takes them for a walk in the woods..he's in the basement storage area looking for their coats, and behind him is the 'old fridge' that took Kate "four hours to clean". Its just pushed off to the side and discarded, like they were getting ready to throw it out.
Anyone would be so grateful and delighted to have such a lovely refridgerator. What pigs. She made up her mind that she would only accept NEW. Shameful.

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