Famous Jabs From the Great Wife

Submitted by Rita TV

It seems to be obvious that Jon is a lazy, immature dude who is "excited about the next chapter in his life."
No doubt part of that excitement stems from not having to put up with The Wonder Nag 24/7. Despite Kate's efforts to paint herself as the victim and martyr in the breakdown of this marriage, the record shows Jon has taken quite a beating from his wife over the years. Aside from the regular jabs about his hair and weight, we've seen....

* "Where is my husband? Oh, he's absent, as usual."
* "The weird color hair ties are for home!!"
* "You're breathing too loud."
* "This (condescending clap) is how (condescending clap) we do it!" (have naptime)
* "You're either with me or against me"
* "Jon, stop playing with toys."
* "Jon, stop scratching."
* "Jon, please deal with your child. She's being ugly."
* "Don't grab the cereal like a rabid animal."
* "Don't ask questions, just do as I say."
* "Don't forget your prepositions."
* "Did you wash your hands??"
* "Don't call me your wife!" (Well, this problem is solved, now)
* "Are you just going to sit there with your arms crossed, like a ding-dong?"
* "Our life is not seasons!"
* "Did you hear what I said? Repeat back to me what I said."
* "Stop checking out your physique and help!!"
* "Do you even know your way around a kitchen?"
* "Would you stop interrupting me? Geez, by now you think you'd learn."
*(to the kids) "Don't listen to Daddy. He's mean." "Don't let Daddy ruin your day."
* (to a babysitter) "Ignore what [Jon] said. This is what I want you to do."
* And of course, CouponGate: ""I'm gonna shoot him! You're not buying anything anymore! This is annoying; beyond annoying! Where's the receipt? What is the rule about receipts? You're gonna go back to the store this afternoon!"

It is always puzzling to hear Kate correct Jon's speech, when she has given us such gems as...

* "dustilies" (glitter)
* "p-people" (paparazzi)
* "shribbled"
*"rabbaroo
* ”flufferated” "Big Bird was all flufferated to see us"
*“culturize” “ We like to culturize our kids."

Then of course, there are these simple sentences...

* “Oh that is dreadfully dreadful.”
* “The new house is going to be hugely better for the kids.”“Do not come into this room, on penalty of severeness.”

Is there editing? There has to be some, or it wouldn't be a TV show. But did unfair editing "make" her appear this way ? Kate has repeatedly said that the show is accurate and that what we see is how things are. Also, one has to wonder: If a person acts a certain way when the cameras are on, how do they act when the cameras are off?
Jon, man up and get a job and an apartment closer to your kids. But, dude, enjoy the silence. ______________________________________________________________________While Jon is obviously not taking our advice at this time, we wonder if he has given any thought to the things he might have said that contributed to the present situation. Have you? Readers, can you think of things Jon has said that were disrespectful to Kate or the children, words he made up, sentences that made you say, “What?” Feel free to write them here as you are commenting on this post.

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VA Mom said...

Now I am not saying Kate was a saint. I for one would never complain about my husband breathing or some of the other various things she said, but seriously...could you imagine having every word you said broken down and analyzed for the world? Then again I wouldn't be on a reality show, but I am sure all of us (husbands, wives, partners, etc) are all guilty of being ugly to their significant others over the years. I'd cut half of them out as being stressed out minus the show to having that many kids and a husband that moves slower then a sloth.

quita said...

This list is hysterical, but sad at the same time. I remember Kate saying almost all of these comments to Jon and I would shudder to hear her speak to him in such a way. I know we're all guilty of speaking to our spouse/significant other in a less than kind manner occasionally(I know I've told my husband to repeat back to me the instructions I'd just given him0, but it certainly seemed that Kate spoke to Jon this way exclusively. She is such a shrew!

Jade said...

Jon had remove the stick. Beyond that.....I got nothing.

MossHill said...

Only once as I can recall.

Jon suggested Kate "get the stick out of her butt" [I believe it may have been the same episode as the cereal bags in the van debacle.]

They did a couch session on it. Jon was very apologetic, and stated that he realized right away that he should have expressed his displeasure in a different way.

Jon has always taken the high road, even where he's had every opportunity to take a shot at Kate ("fustulousness"?) after ALL she's run him through.

MossHill said...

Oops. There was also the Boys Day on the golf course - Jon told the boys their mother had "brainwashed" them about remaining clean at all times.

mommyto4 said...

Ah, didn't he call one of the boys a girl when they cried over something while he was playing with them outside??
I'm no Kate fan, but this guy is a putz!

CappuccinoLife said...

Awesome post. I remember most of those (only managed to watch halfway through the third season).

The one that killed it all for me what when she smacked him and called it a "love pat".

I have said some stupid stuff, and I haven't always been the best wife in the world. But I guarantee you, anyone who analyzed everything I or my husband said would *not* find the level of condescension, visciousness, or self-absorbtion in the way we treat each other. A down-to-earth, normal marriage (even one with high stress) does not require constant sniping and trying to look better than one's spouse. We have a stressful situation in our home right now. Instead of dragging each other down and blaming it on stress, we are actively being extra gracious to one another and looking for ways to ease each other's tension. There is no excuse, not even stress, for the kind of hurtful, despicable things Kate says on a regular basis. And let's be honest--if a *man* said the same things she does, with the same regularity, he'd be skewered as a verbally abusive sociopath.

Sooz-e-q said...

Any verbal transgression that Jon may have ever committed falls under the 'reasonable provocation' defense for me. You Go Jon!

I don't know anyone who would have beared the extent of verbal abuse he has endured with as much restraint as he's shown.

He is a human with many faults - no excuses - he's not perfect - none of us are. But in my opinion, he is by far the more decent of these two.

quoting Jon said...

"Walk like a man!" (A Walk in the Woods Episode)

"Stop crying. You're six! Act like it." (Babies and Bedrooms, when they are entering store to buy beds)

"I'll take a girl over this girl" (about Joel) (Beach Day, swimming lessons in pool)

another gem said...

"Why is it taking us so long today?"
"Because we have annoying children!" (Septuplets turn 4/cupcakes; in the van before church)

Bella said...

I remember laughing when kate called the smaller branches on a tree, "branchalies". She sounds like a little kid making up words

Jake said...

MossHill said...


Jon has always taken the high road, even where he's had every opportunity to take a shot at Kate ("fustulousness"?) after ALL she's run him through.


I have to laugh at the thought of Jon taking the high road.


(jon to Kate)

"What are you doing spazoid?"

(imitating kate)
"Oh no! Oh no! What am I gonna do?"

(while pulling into the beach house
Hannah: Daddy!
Leah: Daddy!
Jon: SHUT YOUR MOUTHS!)

(yelling at Alexis)

Jon: Help your brothers clean up their room.

Alexis: I don't have to help them.

Jon: They help you clean up the basement, so you help them clean up! When I come up there, it better be clean enough for you to eat off of.

(holding ear plugs)
This is the best investment ever - for 99 cents, you can have freedom in your ears

Those are just start, I can add more later.

Mindy said...

Oooh, don't forget "Keep your bleeding to a minimum!" Really, Kate?! Us humans bleed, excuse him!

marypoppins said...

On the couch with kate making fun of Maddy's teeth.

At a NIC U reunion saying the boys except Joel wanted to see the fire trucks.

At the never before seen footage at the beach in Florida(it was too windy), you can see Jon reach out and pinch a twin on her shoulder.

Jon pinches Caras arm in the dining room when she was yelling for juice.After which she is sent to time out.

At swimming lessons at the vacation house in N Carolina- Maddy is fed up waiting for the tups lessons to be finished, she goes up to the pool stairs and reaches out for the swim teachers wrist. Jon can be heard saying not to splash her in a stern voice and Maddy runs into the house saying Im sorry in a VERY scared voice. I'll bet she got spanked.

Upon arrival at the north Carolina house Jon yells at the kids to shut their mouths as he is backing up the van and trailer.

Twins going to Amercan Doll- Cara needs to go to the bathroom. Jon complains that she went 6 times on the train and should "p@@ in her pants"

In Gumgate/bash Aunt Jodi episode he was right up there with kate saying Jodi is soft and the kids know it etc...

Kate is disrespectful, but I won't give Jon a pass either.

Vocab- stampled - one girl tups i guess stomped on and crumpled her brothers art project at pre school

THANKS MODS ANOTHER GREAT THREAD said...

DON'T FORGET:

Why do you always ask me what shoes they are wearing....

stop playing with toys and do your job

NO - THERE HAVEN'T BEEN TOO MANY GOOD DIET DAYS FOR DADDY

ignore daddy - he is mean (pot meet kettle)

your son, vomitous boy no longer has a comforter

AND THE MOST FAMOUS - ANY MATURE AND SUPPORTIVE HUSBAND WOULD COME TO ME IN MY PSYCHOTIC, OCD RANTING PUBLIC MANIPULATING STATE AND ASK WHAT HE COULD DO FOR ME TO HELP MY POOR EXHAUSTED SELF

oh sooooo many more loving and supportive quips from America's MOST HATED MONSTER

ForeverHopeful said...

When Jon said something like "I am learning to be the person that I am." I said, "Whaaaat?"

I guess Jon meant that he's learning who he really is and behaving that way. It came out kinda weird, though!

I always feel that when Jon tries to follow Kate's rules when he is alone with the kids that he never sounds right. He is SAYING the rules, but his heart isn't in them.

On the golf course with the boys I was pleasantly surprised that Jon stressed that the boys did NOT have to worry about getting dirty. What a breath of fresh air that was to me!

I think those kids will be messed up for a really long time about how much of a neat-freak Kate has been all their lives.

KIDS= Messes
Get over it, Kate!

HOLD IT said...

THIS ONE IS PRICELESS:

after hate and the eight/hate/kate club return from the bathroom at Dutch Horrorland and jon has the nerve to say he has to go to the bathroom

DO YOU REALLY HAVE TO GO NOW?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

Melissa said...

And don't forget the big, "HELLOOOOO!" in ToysRus!

Just Julie said...

What first hooked me on the show was an episode (sorry, can't remember which) where, during the interview Kate would correct Jon with something like, "Don't say it that way, just say ______" And then she would feed him a line as if she were the director. LOL

I took a little delight in what I interpreted was Kate thinking that she was doing on the spot editing and helping the production team and then having her corrections make it into the show for all of America to laugh at. I mean it was especially funny to me because her grammar is nothing to be proud of.


It caught my attention and I wanted to continue watching to see WHO THE HECK THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS!!! LOL

Then I started to pick up on her treatment of the kids and started to realize what life must be like for Jon and the kids and I didn't think she was funny at all anymore. It was gumgate that sent me to the internet to see...."Is anyone else noticing this? How can this go on?"

Anyway, though I hate to admit it, it was her mistreatment of Jon that first drew me in. And I am sorry to say that I did find it entertaining until the severity of the situation started to sink in for me.

Now I find those seens painful and pitiful.

By the way...how could you leave this little gem off the list:

"HELL-O-O-O-O?"

Jennifer D said...

Jon is a mumbler and he rolls his eyes. I think Kate is very up front with her attacks and Jon and passive aggressive. It's more difficult to track the subtle stuff but it was there. They both were disrespectful, rude, antagonistic and nasty.

ManicNarcissism said...

Va mom...0i agree with you on that! I would not want people judging me because I can be 'sharp' as my DD calls it. But you know
I'm not afraid of the words I'm sorry, that was ride of me, I didn't mean it, it is me and my anxieties not you and I will try very hard to do better. And then I try to do better. All with a hug, a kiss and maybe me even shedding a tear of remorse.

I think if we saw any of those things from Kate to Jon or the kids we would probably excuse he behavior.

The woman is just too proud and self involved.

jonandkatewho? said...

VA Mom said...

Now I am not saying Kate was a saint. I for one would never complain about my husband breathing or some of the other various things she said, but seriously...could you imagine having every word you said broken down and analyzed for the world? Then again I wouldn't be on a reality show, but I am sure all of us (husbands, wives, partners, etc) are all guilty of being ugly to their significant others over the years. I'd cut half of them out as being stressed out minus the show to having that many kids and a husband that moves slower then a sloth.

7/13/2009 11:02 AM

I have to disagree. Kate has an undeniable pattern of rudeness to Jon. It doesn't matter if she has 8 kids, it doesn't matter if she is "stressed out". We all have stress and it is no excuse to treat our loved ones in a disrespectful manner. Top that off with her having done this on television for the world to see, and to me there just is no excuse.

Oh, and maybe you see Jon as slow-moving, but he did take care of those kids every morning while Kate the Queen slept in...he even made her coffee!

Don't get me wrong. Jon is scum. But Kate is pond scum, which is a tad lower on the scale.

Laura said...

I don't blame Jon for moving on to Hailey Glassman; however I think he should have waited until the divorce was final.

I think this confirms that the show is O-V-E-R! Or will they rename it the "Kate and her 8" show??

cottagequeso gal said...

They're both pathetic but by FAR Khate is the bigger anus...

lil rambler said...

The Hateful Kate remark that forever sticks in my head is a fairly recent one, taking place not long after they moved into the Mausoleum: Jon's describing taking the tups out on a walk in the woods, how they were looking at all the different plant "species" -- and with that word, Foul Kate's head snapped up, face covered with an ugly, anticipatory smirk, as she extruded "Species? What are you, a botanist?" Nasty is as nasty does, Soulless One.

How much am I loving that Jon is stealing Kate's "children's clothing" thunder? I do hope it eventually falls through, as I don't relish the thought of the children being used YET AGAIN to earn their parents' livings for them (now they'll have to work TWO jobs), but for a brief moment I'm having fun imagining the rage that must have erupted in Kate upon first hearing the news. "CLOTHES? That's MY gig! What a stealy stealer!" Oh my how the worm does turn, Heart of TInsel!

Deanna said...

Can someone briefly tell me what "gumgate" is? I've only caught bits and pieces of a couple shows as I was too horrified by the exploitation to watch much.

Mandy said...

Kate playing the victim is so annoying! Ever since the tups were born, or even before, its been "woe is me!"

Are there any episodes where she doesn't have to mention "We have 8 kids" We get it! ugh, so ridiculous.

Now shes always out purposely in front of the paps with the kids to make herself look good and like jon isn't around.

Laurie said...

"Jon, do you know where the oven is?" asked by Khate scarastically when Emeril was there to belittle Jon.

Becky Q in PA said...

Jennifer D said...

Jon is a mumbler and he rolls his eyes. I think Kate is very up front with her attacks and Jon and passive aggressive. It's more difficult to track the subtle stuff but it was there. They both were disrespectful, rude, antagonistic and nasty.


***********
If everything you said and did were criticized in an interview while you sat right there, knowing the person is a delusional narcissist who won't take the blame for doing anything wrong and thinks she's somehow qualified to "be hard on" you (because she's perfect, I'm sure), what would you do? I think Jon has been provoked publicly in the worst manner, both on TV and in the tabloids, yet he does not deliberately speak out against Kate.

Even all the things she says in everyday life--and there are MANY nasty, snarky, despicable things--do not compare to what she has said DELIBERATELY and WITH MALICE during couch interviews and in tabloid interviews. There's just no excuse for that type of behavior.

If every time you said something, someone cut you off, yelled at you, made fun of you, twisted your words, etc., how long would you be able to sit silently by? I couldn't. NO WAY! So when I see Jon sitting on the couch biting his tongue, I know he's a better person in that regard, ESPECIALLY WHEN HE COULD EASILY THROW THINGS BACK AT HER! She gives him so much ammunition!

Just think about saying something *POKE*then starting again *POKE* then cooling down and trying again *POKE** like he does on the couch, and yet, he doesn't rip her head off! Could you do it? If so, you're a better person than I am!

Melissa said...

I'm not gonna lie, this post made me spit my water out all over myself.

Anybody else want to see Jon sit down with Baba Wawa and just RAIL Kate?

Kristen said...

You can't forget "horrendously horrendous!" At least I think that was Kate....either that or I am mixing her up with someone else LOL!

parent award of the year said...

Walk n the Woods: After Alexis taps Hannah on the head with her walking stick, a very angry Jon punishes her by snapping her stick over his knee.

Jon said "I know. She's mean." to Hannah about Alexis, as they walk away.

Jon: What's this, Joel?
Joel: Hot dog.
Jon: It's a wiener. Like you.

Tups 4th B-day: Kate and Jon
*mock the kids eating with gratuitous snarfs and slurps and ugly faces*

Jon's lispy voice for Joel...

Darwin said...

Jon repeatedly calling Joel a "Weiner" on his special day. Was it playful, maybe. It did not come across that way to me. That could just be because it seemed as though Jon could barely muster the slightest enthusiasm while at the interactive museum.

nofanofthem said...

Bravo! Great job compiling some of Kate's "better" moments. Wow, that about sums it up! You "sheeple" can defend Kate til the cows come home, that is NO WAY to speak to any human being...I don't care what. I don't care if she is "stressed" from having 8 kids. There is NO EXCUSE!

RachieDough said...

Jon and Kate are both rude to each other, Kate is just the more dominant of the two so we hear her voice more. But i kind of get it. I grew up in a VERY loud, boistrous Italian family, and while we yell, scream, and swear to get our point accross, but we aren't really mad (or we are mad, but get over it in no time). "clean it up you lazy piece of crap!" is completely normal at our house. I realize that many people are disturbed by this kind of language, as has been evidenced by visitors to our home, but its kind of just our dynamic!

Is this particularly healthy for kids? probably not, especially if you have a host of other issues like the poor Gosselin kids, but my brother and I managed to make it through lol. and my parents have been happily married for 27 years. Go figure!

nofanofthem said...

Any verbal transgression that Jon may have ever committed falls under the 'reasonable provocation' defense for me. You Go Jon!
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This is priceless! Thanks, Sooz-e-q!

abbra said...

When did this marriage start to break down? I can vaguely remember Kate planning a birthday surprise at a restaurant and after that I didn't watch the show until GosselinGate started up.

We will never know why J&K never went for counseling when the problems first popped up in their marriage or maybe they did go and we just don't know about it.


I wouldn't be surprised if Kate have psychological issues. Borderline Personality comes to mind. The alienation of family and friends, wanting attention, mood instability, impulsive behaviors, such as excessive spending, binge eating and risky sex.
Its all playing out in the public eye.
Maybe its time for an INTERVENTION Kates Family!

kateincali said...

In the episode where they had their "special day" and did the teeth whitening & organic dinner, she called him "girlie" when he was ironing his shirt and taking time getting ready and said it was "disgusting" that she was still in sweats while he was getting himself together and that a "real man" would say "honey, you go get ready, I'll take care of this" or something similar...

Jake said...

I don't blame Jon for moving on to Hailey Glassman; however I think he should have waited until the divorce was final.

I think this confirms that the show is O-V-E-R! Or will they rename it the "Kate and her 8" show??


Jon intends to keep filming so his kids can be walking billboardsfor the Ed Hardy line. That was in the People.com article.

TUNDRA said...

AREN'T MEN LOVELY?

Sneer, snort, ....

Jon minus Kate said...

Deanna- here it is:
Gumgate- Aunt Jody was babysitting the kids- she gave them gum- they got specs of gum on their socks and Colin got a bit on his blanket bear- Kate went nuts- yelled at the kids- called Aunt Jodi and yelled at her and told Colin she would probably throw his blanket bear out.
What a great mom!

Becky Q in PA said...

There's a 6-part "ugly moments" series of clips from season 4 on YouTube. As much as it pains me to watch it again, I will transcribe some quotes):

Kate: Boys...I'm telling you, boys, are just dirty. They're just DIRTY!

Kate: The girls are definitely more verbal. Girls have feelings and emotions and outbursts. Generally, girls are more needy, but the boys are just, 'ah, whatever'...

Jon: But the girls listen a lot better...

Kate: (interrupting) Take instruction better...

Jon: The boys don't.

Kate: They don't listen, they don't compute as well. Well... (gesturing toward Jon as an example) you know...

(Jon looks at the camera, raises his eyebrows, and looks askance at Kate, but does not reply).

Kate: And girls can follow instructions from a lot younger age, and they help and whatever...they're just completely different.


See? Deliberate! Nice things to say about children, and showing clear favoritism. Talk about a man hater!

[Kate's making some sparse plates for the kids, who are already seated, while Jon paces. Kate's holding everything up by talking to the cameras. (Didn't she say they know better than to do that?]

Kate: (To the camera) Can we have a Kate-and-Jon-switch day where I get to stand and cross my arms?

Jon: (Pacing by the table) Whaddya want me to do? I did all this stuff...

Kate: (interrupting) I've been thinking about that lately...

Jon: ...I put them at the table, put all their bibs on, filled all their juice up (more garbled-Kate talking over him)...got 'em dressed, got the girls dressed, got the boys dressed...

Kate (speaking over him) Yeah, I've been thinking about that. (Directly to the camera) We should have a role reversal day.

*cut to couch*

Kate: Well, it's our usual Jon-not-helping discussion. It's not that he doesn't help, I think I said it wrong. He helps a lot...you...s-see that. I just wish he would say, 'What can I help you with, Kate?' That would. like, reduce my stress by 95%.

*back to the kitchen scene*

Kate: I didn't say you didn't DO anything...

Jon: Do you want me to...I'll do lunch; do you want to play with them, do all your stuff, go ahead.

[I first thought he meant she should play with the kids, but I think he meant play with the film crew, since the kids are waiting to eat and he is pacing].

*back to the couch*

Kate: well, I know he probably hates that I'm airing his fault but he knows it as his issue, right honey?

Jon: (Staring straight ahead) Yes, I have many faults. (blinks)

Kate: Well, I'm not sitting here to pick on your FAULTS, I'm just saying, I wish you would say, 'Kate, I know you're trying to get out the door. Is there something I could help you with?'

Jon: (Still staring ahead, blinking) OK. (Sighs)

Interviewer (unseen): Anything else you want to say?

Jon: (Clamps lips more tightly and shakes head) Nope.

Kate: (laughs)


Oh, this is hurting me to watch. Maybe we should send the link to this thread to Maria Shriver. Kate is just SUCH a shrew, and she thinks she's so funny! Jon does almost EVERYTHING for the kids! Kate even had to admit it, because we know! I CANNOT STAND HER!

NahnCee said...

I thought the face slaps were pretty bad, too, in addition to the lacerating tongue. I just have no patience at all with Kate, and am willing to give Jon a *lot* of slack for not having gone amok and just killed the b****. (Which is what she deserved and still deserves.)

Sue in PA said...

6AM Jon gets up--fixes twins lunch bags; gets twins ready for school; gets them on the bus. Gets tups up; feds them breakfast; gets them dressed; plays with them; makes their lunch for before pre-sshool.

Mid-morning---Kate gets up, says "Jon, why don't you ever ask me if I need any help!!"

Jocelyne said...

In the pumpkin patch/ corn maze episode in the first season Kate wants to lead in the corn maze and Jon says, "Here goes the master of diection. Let's follow Kate. You don't even know where you're going do you?" in a mocking tone.

Also in that episode while carving pumpkins Jon says "Last year I put a frowny face on Kate's pumpkin. It was appropriate" and Kate retorts saying "I'm gonna make a big round belly on your"

They are both just as bad. Jon isn't the innocent angel that it seems some people think.

Also interesting, in that same episode at the end Jon says "I can't imagine a different life. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world".
Wow.. funny how things can change. Now traded it for a 22 year old girlfriend and some free Ed Hardy clothing..

Katie-did said...

Just Curious said...
This is only somewhat related, but one thing I keep hearing is about Jon and Kates faith in God, how they are going against that, etc. I've never seen any evidence that they are religous in the shows. Is this something pre-TV series (I know her Dad's church tried to help after the six were born)or am I missing something about their lives now? I don't see either one of them as being particularly religous.

=================

Do you read anything about them? That they spoke in churches?

Examples on the show: they showed them in church, they showed them praying before Kate's surgery, when they did the family "motto" seemed semi-relgious. They've done a lot to prove they are "Chrisitan" and both undid that in about 3 seconds.

You'd have to have your head in a hole not to see that they were supposedly "religious".

Laurie said...

I said "Jon, do you know where the oven is?" asked by Khate scarastically when Emeril was there to belittle Jon....

I read this over and it didn't sound right. I meant that Khate did it to belittle Jon however when I originally wrote it I sounded like I meant Emerial was there to belittle Jon.

Krazy Karma said...

When Jon was talking about sending their kids to college, Kate corrected his grammar with, "don't forget the preposition." This coming from the woman who created the word AGREEANCE.

Becky Q in PA said...

Katie-did said...

Just Curious said...
This is only somewhat related, but one thing I keep hearing is about Jon and Kates faith in God, how they are going against that, etc. I've never seen any evidence that they are religous in the shows. Is this something pre-TV series (I know her Dad's church tried to help after the six were born)or am I missing something about their lives now? I don't see either one of them as being particularly religous.
=================

Do you read anything about them? That they spoke in churches?

Examples on the show: they showed them in church, they showed them praying before Kate's surgery, when they did the family "motto" seemed semi-relgious. They've done a lot to prove they are "Chrisitan" and both undid that in about 3 seconds.

You'd have to have your head in a hole not to see that they were supposedly "religious".


How about the T-shirts (2 in the 2 YouTube clips I transcribed above) with bible verses on them? ("Isaiah")

Also in the same brief clip, you can see the bible verse taped to the kitchen cabinet.

They're VERY in-your-face with trying to appear to be Christian. My mom always said, 'Actions speak louder than words' (and T-shirts and signs, too, apparently!).

SheSaidWhat?! said...

I screamed with joy at the tv when Jon told Kate to take the stick out of her butt. SCREAMED! I absolutely loved it.
She was soooooo owed that.

I don't care what anyone says, she was a monster to him and anything he said or didn't say (eye rolling and mumbling) does not even come close to the nasty venom she spewed at him on a regular basis.

....and that's just what WE saw. I can only imagine how she treated him when the cameras were off.

SKD said...

I remember when he threw the shirt on the floor at Valentine's Day because he was too fat for it.

I can't stand Jon. He's a juvenile individual who doesn't deserve those kids. You know his behavior is bad when it makes someone like Kate look good.

Connie said...

I have been surprised that I haven't seen anything about the day the Gosselins went to the Carsons home for something, I think maybe for having their pictures taken.

Kate wanted to change the kids clothes and was so cutting and cruel when she asked Jon where the kids clothes were. He said the clothes were upstairs.

I can't quote what unkind words Kate then spat at him, because I tried NOT to hear what she said to him. She was so, so hateful and told him to go get the clothes.

We saw Jon turning around and going to get them. He must have been humiliated beyond words that day. It reminded me of how little kids sometimes run away in tears over something that was said to them.

I just hurt for him that day.

NJMom said...

I think Kate did not edit her self, where I think Jon did. She would have done herself a lot of good (especially in the popularity ranks) if she did. And I also have to agree that the editing of the show definitely focused on her being the "controlling" one and Jon being the "passive" one, because IMO I think that they both succumbed to the stresses equally, she was just louder and they did not always show his reactions. I don't know why TLC did not modify their editing of the show, when they saw there was so much negative "Kate" feedback. I think that they liked it that way. Like they never showed Jon smoking when he admits that he does. And we all create our own monsters (when we do too much for our kids and our husbands and they just expect more and more and more and then we complain about how they are not self sufficient) and I feel like TLC did not help in the editing of Kate and they just fed us all of this constant controlling stuff, like they were trying to constantly show us that she is "strong" and Jon is "passive".

And when push comes to shove, was she tough on him, yes, but you know I am tough on my husband too sometimes, because I feel like I have to constantly multi-task and it just makes you tired.

And in the end, actions speak louder than hurtful words and jabs, and his actions over the past few months, speak volumes about his character. He has none. If he could not respect his wife, he should have at least respected his children. He should be ashamed and embarrassed of himself as he now tries to find himself. I can not see how anyone can justify or condone his actions, there are no excuses for his behavior.

Spungoman said...

Jon calling Joel a girl was probably the most mean-spirited thing ever said on the show.

Then again, Kate seems to treat him terribly as well.

Poor Joel.

cottagequeso gal said...

What I could never understand were Khate's constant references to Jon's weight....quite frankly he never even looked that pudgy to me. But what REALLY got me was the fact that it was coming out of HER. With all due respect (well, not really) she wasn't/isn't the greatest or fittest or hottest lookin' gal on the block/planet.
It's a good thing she didn't remove that stick out of her butt 'cuz it would droop even more than it is now

Kate Farts Outta Her Mouth said...

I think Kate makes up words so she can try to be the next Rachel Ray, "EVOO," but to her dismay no one is catching on and no one care. She is Utterly Uttering annoying.

MelissaLG said...

They both were disrespectful, rude, antagonistic and nasty.

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I disagree.

I only saw Jon react to Kate's constant abrasiveness in a NORMAL human way, albeit much more calmly that I would have.

As far as Jon saying negative things to the children - who here would not have been short with their kids and said some MILDLY inappropriate thing when you are exhausted and stressed after dealing with a woman like Kate 2/47? Geesh. Give the guy a break.

Shall we marshal all the downright HATEFUL things Kate has said and done to those kids over the years?

Kate goes way beyond normal-stressed-parent-snarkiness.

Um... said...

MelissaLG said... I only saw Jon react to Kate's constant abrasiveness in a NORMAL human way, albeit much more calmly that I would have.

As far as Jon saying negative things to the children - who here would not have been short with their kids and said some MILDLY inappropriate thing when you are exhausted and stressed after dealing with a woman like Kate 2/47? Geesh. Give the guy a break.

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Eh..., Jon doesn't need our pity. He helped exploit his children too. Plus, he's been known to take immaturity to a whole new level.

Laura Q. Stone said...

VA Mom said...

Now I am not saying Kate was a saint. I for one would never complain about my husband breathing or some of the other various things she said, but seriously...could you imagine having every word you said broken down and analyzed for the world? Then again I wouldn't be on a reality show, but I am sure all of us (husbands, wives, partners, etc) are all guilty of being ugly to their significant others over the years. I'd cut half of them out as being stressed out minus the show to having that many kids and a husband that moves slower then a sloth.

7/13/2009 11:02 AM



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I agree with you only to a certain extent...I know I am guilty of being a little rude to my husband, especially during pregnancy or after a hard day with my 18 month old...I make fun of him for his terrible morning breath...I am not going to say anything more here on this blog cause I will be no better than Kate...So anyway the point IA m trying to make is its not really what she says its that she does is on cable television! I know its suppose to be a reality show and obviouisly she's a b*t*h in real life but the way she treats him for the whole world to see is demeaning, emasculating, and really not a nice thing to do to the father of your children.

Marisa said...

The worst jab from Kate, in my opinion, was when they were in the toy store and Kate was yelling at him to stop playing with toys. When she yelled "come" it was really uncomfortable to watch. I really enjoyed the show at that time.

From Jon, it was either taking the stick out or telling that he's excited about the separation. I thought it was something best to keep to himself. Very disrespectful to his kids considering the pain they would be going through hearing about the divorce. Ok, maybe that's not a jab but it was stupid to say.

Jill said...

What I could never understand were Khate's constant references to Jon's weight....quite frankly he never even looked that pudgy to me. But what REALLY got me was the fact that it was coming out of HER.


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ITA with this - I was always uncomfortable when she would criticize Jon's weight. I would never, ever belittle someone I love about their appearance, especially not on national TV! That's NOT the way we roll in our house...it's not loving and it's not respectful in any way.

If a man kept spouting comments about his wife's weight and physical appearance on TV, he would be labeled a PIG!

bedonenow said...

Connie said...
I have been surprised that I haven't seen anything about the day the Gosselins went to the Carsons home for something, I think maybe for having their pictures taken.

Kate wanted to change the kids clothes and was so cutting and cruel when she asked Jon where the kids clothes were. He said the clothes were upstairs.

I can't quote what unkind words Kate then spat at him, because I tried NOT to hear what she said to him. She was so, so hateful and told him to go get the clothes.

We saw Jon turning around and going to get them. He must have been humiliated beyond words that day. It reminded me of how little kids sometimes run away in tears over something that was said to them.

I just hurt for him that day.


I agree Connie. He had done everything, lugging 8 kids around, loading and unloading the van, potty seats, everything, while she sat like a Queen on the Throne at Beth's house. "where is the CLOTHING Jon? We need the CLOTHING Jon. The CLOTHING needs to be HERE Jon. Since I AM HERE, Jon, why is the CLOTHING upstairs Jon?" "Jeez, here I sit waiting for the CLOTHING to be PRESENTED to me and he carries it all upstairs.He cant do anything right". The cameras were set up in the living room area and Jon foolishly thought the children would be changed in a bedroom.

That was so humiliating.

bedonenow said...

Kate has always HATED Jon, been totally disgusted by him, has never had one ounce of respect for him. She resents him for not reading her mind, the sound of his voice has always been like nails on a chalkboard to her. She is disgusted to be near him and furious with him when he not at her immediate side. It has been this way for 5 years and probably the 5 years before that.

I think it is because Kate hates herself and everthing about her. And anyone who loves her or is near her must be stupid. As soon as she gets what she thinks she wants, she finds she is still miserable so it must the fault of those who clearly cant love her enough, do enough, be enough, help enough to MAKE her happy. She is still waiting and expecting some person to present her with her self worth and a glowing happiness on a silver platter. Except that lots of people (9 at least) did do that - but she is so darned comfortable in her hate and abuse, she doesnt have room for anything else. Probably not her children either. A pathetic waste of a life. Terrible tragedy for everyone she touches.

Emmy said...

MossHill said...
Oops. There was also the Boys Day on the golf course - Jon told the boys their mother had "brainwashed" them about remaining clean at all times
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While not a nice thing to say about anyone, face it -- it was the truth!

Jon minus Kate said...

I think you can find instances where they both said things to each other- but I always have the feeling that if Kate would have been nicer to Jon and showed him respect instead of making him her errand boy- He would have respected her and their marriage might have survived- who would want to live their life with someone like Kate....not me. Every couple has their moments but to continually be put down and controlled in front of others is not tolerable.

Jons theherohere said...

SheSaidWhat?! said...
I don't care what anyone says, she was a monster to him and anything he said or didn't say (eye rolling and mumbling) does not even come close to the nasty venom she spewed at him on a regular basis.

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Couldn't agree more.

It was psychological and physical abuse. It seems she thrives on meanness and he is/was her main target. It was only healthy that he got away from her in order to save himself and his sanity. The effects of such abuse can be crippling, and Jon is only human. Good for you, Jon!

It's clear Jon was raised to be a gentleman: no hitting a woman, no making ugly remarks about your wife in front of millions of ppl. Things like that.

Here are a few more of Miss Mean's rants:

--When they visited the condo where they lived pre-tups . . . Miss Mean, seated on the couch, barked out orders to Jon to "go wipe" one of the kids emerging from the bathroom. She continued, even tho' he had just walked into the room and didn't know what the heck she was talking about. Mean, Kate, mean. Why didn't you do it?

--As he was breaking his back trying to back the van plus U-Haul into the driveway of the beachhouse in NC, and he may have yelled at the kids (sometimes parents do yell), she turned and said quietly to the camera, "He's not nice." Like she was backing up the van, right Kate? No, no, let him do the hard work while she stands by giving minimal directions and criticizing, and this applies to a lot that has gone on between them on the show.

--On the trip the NC where they saw the horses at the beach, Jon wanted to wait a minute to watch the gorgeous sunset (how wonderful that would have been for the kids and everyone else there that day). But, alas, no way, Bossy decreed, adding, there are plenty of sunsets, we're leaving!

Good luck, Maria S., you're gonna need it.

Anonymomma said...

If a man kept spouting comments about his wife's weight and physical appearance on TV, he would be labeled a PIG!

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The very first episode, Surviving Sextuplets and Twins? Yeah, remember how Jon thought it was just so HILARIOUS to tell the world all about his wife's 'front butt', or 'jowels of a dog'?

Granted, Kate was angling for a free surgery. And it wasn't like she seemed offended by it. But I think behind the scenes he may have criticized her post-sextuplets body a lot more than we will ever know. Especially since he was also quick to throw in there how she wasn't blonde anymore, or how she quickly 'went back to her original shape after the twins'.

For the record, I am no fan of K8, but c'mon. Any man willing to nitpick his wife's physical features after she carried and delivered his children is an ass in my book. I think K8's weight comments against Jon have a lot more to them.


And while we're on the topic, I think both of them are so similar in personalities. I don't think Jon is beaten down. I just think he knows how to exploit that too.

They both knew what they were getting into when they got married. No one forced him to marry Kate. She's no inocent either, but it takes two.

sashay francais said...

the stupidest thing i ever watched jon say was, "I DO" in their wedding video.

Rebecca said...

Not only have her words themselves bothered me, but the attitude and tone in which she flings them at people; so many passive aggressive, snarky side comments about her husband's shortcomings, so many condescending and pointedly critical comments made directly to him. I cannot imagine speaking to another adult in the tone of voice that she has used over and over with Jon, and I know my husband wouldn't accept being addressed in that way even once without calling me on it.

Maybe she just gets in that mode where she's directing the kids and surrounded by chaos and it's hard for her to switch to a tone appropriate for another adult. I don't have kids, but I can imagine how this might be the case. Yet with hour after hour of taped evidence of this behavior, don't you think that she could have developed some sense of self-awareness? Apparently not.

stateyourname said...

gosh - reading all of these comments i'd forgotten just how bad they BOTH were - i think (and this is purely speculation of course) that when they were first married that jon was much more aggressive. i think that he changed into the passive person we saw on tv...probably when the twins were little...i bet he saw that kate really did know alot more about taking care of babies than him and he let her "run the show". once the tups came along he'd probably lost a lot of himself already and i honestly think that he made a concious effort to censor himself when the cameras were around to keep from looking as bad as kate...so he probably just got used to beting the passive one...i think kate started losing respect for him when he stopped challenging her...she is the type of person who really needs someone who's willing to stand up to her when necessary. she sees his laid back personality as weakness and it does NOT turn her on...can't say i blame her...i don't think i would be attracted to my husband at all if i thought that he was AFRAID to stand up to me or tell me when he thinks i'm wrong.

a rose is a rose said...

If you listen to Kate, every word that came out of her mouth had a snippy twist to it. Nothing was loving or nice. Even the smallest comment was nasty.
She did the same thing when sheeple went up to get her book signed. They'd be so nice to her, and she'd come off with a nasty response. After while Jon just gave up trying, you could see it unfold on tv.

TUNDRA said...

All I can say is I would never, ever want to be in the Gosselin home when the cameras aren't rolling.

Marisa said...

I think she didn't turn off the nastiness because it turned into a popular character for her. She exaggerated that behavior and it turned on her.

Don't leave me alone with Kate said...

What is disturbing to me is that this is a woman who KNOWS that cameras are following her around and recording her every word, and this is the best she has to offer. She has no shame, and I'll say it again, wouldn't want to be around when her audience/camera crew has left. sad for the children for sure.

4thekids said...

Jon AND Kate are both nasty and "horribly horrendous" to each other and their children. It disgusts me.

On the bright side, they do give me the opportunity to throw out a quote from My Best Friend's Wedding, which I find rather fitting for these two scumbag, no-good, poor excuses for parents.

Julia Roberts says "I'm pond scum. Well, lower actually. I'm like the fungus that feeds on pond scum" and Dermot Mulroney replies "Lower. The pus that infects the mucus that cruds up the fungus that feeds on the pond scum."

Jon may be fungus, but Kate wins the title of pus

Just Julie said...

bedonenow said...
Kate has always HATED Jon, been totally disgusted by him, has never had one ounce of respect for him. She resents him for not reading her mind, the sound of his voice has always been like nails on a chalkboard to her. She is disgusted to be near him and furious with him when he not at her immediate side. It has been this way for 5 years and probably the 5 years before that.

I think it is because Kate hates herself and everthing about her. And anyone who loves her or is near her must be stupid. As soon as she gets what she thinks she wants, she finds she is still miserable so it must the fault of those who clearly cant love her enough, do enough, be enough, help enough to MAKE her happy. She is still waiting and expecting some person to present her with her self worth and a glowing happiness on a silver platter. Except that lots of people (9 at least) did do that - but she is so darned comfortable in her hate and abuse, she doesnt have room for anything else. Probably not her children either. A pathetic waste of a life. Terrible tragedy for everyone she touches.

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Bedonenow,
You really nailed this! And the proof is in Kate's very own words about her parents and family, "They don't know how to help us."

What a spoiled brat she is. My own mother died before any of my children were born and believe me, I would give about anything for any kind of help or attention or even just time that I could have had with my parents when my children were little. Grandparents are a treasure and Kate banished them because they didn't meet her standards?

What on Earth happened to this woman to make her so hateful and arrogant?

Her parents must be so hurt and so ashamed.

Melissa said...

I still think if this situation was reversed, Jon would be treated with the same enthusiasm as a poisonous garden slug, and Kate would be canonized by the media and general public while Gloria Steinem and Jane Fonda bowed at her feet.

I do wonder why no 'Men's Rights' groups have spoken out. Or am I missing something? They're always on Dr. Phil and Oprah. Maybe they should get behind Jon and his wounded self.

Lesa said...

These are all great!

I think Jon is more of the "under your breath" type of person. He'll say things to the camera about her, but not really to her face.

I'm so mad at Jon right now. I really, really thought he was going to step up and make things better for these kids. I thought he would show he was the more responsible person, and the kids would be given to him. He could stop the show and let them have a normal life.
If I were Jon, I would move back to the old house, down the street from Kevin and Jodi. I'd move the kids into that house and find as many friends and family as I could to hug and love these kids. I'd bring back Aunt Jodi, Carla, Nana Janet, Beth, ect. Wouldn't that be a great way to show the Judge that he is very interested in the welfare of his kids?!
I'd get a "real" job and find a way to take care of my family. If he wants to date, fine, but he needs to think about his children and what they need. Otherwise, he should wait until they are all 18+ and out of the house. Then it's his time.

Step up and be a real man Jon. For once in your life, be a man.

fedup said...

gosh the more I read the more I can't stand these people.

fidosmommy said...

Regarding the Kreiders as grandparents, Jon said in one of his interviews that Kenton and Charlene have a ton of grandhildren and are not "involved" with any of them.

I understand that the Kreiders took care of Cara and Mady when Kate was pregnant with 6 babies, and I know Rev. Kreider's church helped out a lot, so I have to wonder which it is...

Who did the snubbing really? Would the Kreiders jump with joy if Kate were to call them and ask them out to lunch with all the children and herself one day? Or would they just say they were busy?
Would Kate ever make that call in the first place?

I'd really like to know.

imaamy said...

Just Julie, ITA. My mom died 3 weeks before my first was born. Kate should not have alienated her family.

Punkinbugg said...

This post reminded me of a Bible verse:

Proverbs 21:9 (New International Version)


"Better to live on a corner of the roof than share a house with a quarrelsome wife."


Does the room over the garage count?

gmf56 said...

I could buy the stress excuse for Kate, if she ever showed any remorse.

I didn't have 8 kids, but I did have one who was as much work as 5, and 3 others. I was seriously sleep deprived, depressed and dealing with a big list of other issues and hormone problems.

Like most women I dealt with it and still cooked, cleaned, shopped, made the kids clothes...

There were times I behaved very ugly and badly. The difference is I begged for help, begged for forgiveness and tried to make up for it on the better days.

I have never seen Kate show any remorse or even recognize that there is any problem with any of her behavior.

Editing alone cannot hide any and all evidence of humanity or humility.

As for Jon, I don't think we can really tell. My aunt was loud, bossy and shrewish with her husband. He was loved by kids, just grinned and looked sheepish when she ranted. Even to close family she seemed the bitch and he just seemed stupid and irresponsible. She tried to tell us that at home he yelled and raised hell as much as she did. No one believed her. This in a family that saw each other several times a week.

I later lived with them for several months and it was true!

Until you actually live with someone, people can hide a lot.

CW said...

how about when she told Jon that he was disgusting and creepy because he made the decisions about the basement floors in the new house. Kate thought that men could not decorate and they should let the wives make all of the decisions.

Miranda said...

I really, really hate to say this, but "agreeance" is a legitimate word, albeit obsolete.

From Dictionary.com:

Main Entry: agreeance
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: the act of agreeing
Example: Usage of the site constitutes agreeance with these terms.
Usage: considered obsolete and a bastardization of 'agreement'

Tami said...

Kate's reaction to the stick comment made me scream! I could not believe she even said a word considering the millions of times she had slammed him for nothing. Seriously! And that he apologized and even took her criticism without complaint was unreal. It was as bad as in the TRU parking lot when she pulled her innocent act. Did she really think she'd get off scott free after years of badgering him? She did pretty well considering it was only one comment he ever made to her!

Brianna said...

At the fake birthday party, didn't Kate say she wasn't "Streamerishy."


The few digs Jon got in were nothing to the daily humiliation he endured. I thought it was great when he said, "get the stick out," and I'm glad he took his stick and left.

maria said...

It doesn't matter what Kate said to him. If Jon didn't like it, he should have grown a pair, stood up to her and said "it's gonna be this way or else...". Instead he chose to cheat on his wife. Cheating is never acceptable, even under the worst circumstances. If he was truly miserable, he should have divorced Kate first and THEN start running around with young skanks. He is just showing his true colors.

Disgusted in TX said...

more Kate attacks on Jon:
1) on the back of the truck at the pumpkin patch--the infamous "HELLO" in the introduction to get his attention to help the kids.

2) the cow purchase of organic meat (that was really given to them for free)--she yelled at him to help one of the girl's with her dress when she was perfectly capable of doing it herself. Just too lazy to move her fat butt.

3) her yelling most recently about the dogs being in the crate and handling them.

4) in the van, when packing the kids to go somewhere--she yelled at him that he could make the day a good day or a bad one, depending on his attitude. (LOL...as if!)

5) she freaked out on him on their Korean dinner when he was trying to help with the rug on the floor. I actually thought he was an idiot for trying to shake off the rug in the kitchen with open pots of food too, but he was intending to be helpful. he should have taken them outside but she had a hissy fit instead of suggesting he do it outside.

6) in the new house==yelling at Jon the day they took the kids over and warned them to stay out of the master bedroom or else face "penalty of severeness"--she blamed him for the kids not paying attention because he was looking around to.

7) at the airport heading out on a trip (maybe to Utah) she practically broke down and cried begging him to "please lead the way and be the leader of the family. he is supposed to be their leader and he needs to show them where to go"---LOL what a joke!

8) on the beach--anytime they went--she yelled at him for being in the water and accused him of not watching the kids etc.

In fact, she always claimed he was ignoring or not paying attention to one of the kids whenever they left the house.

I watched part of an old episode the other morning, and truly, with all of the hindsight now, I wonder what I ever saw in this show that was entertaining. It is a bad show, with two mean people who call themselves parents.

I used to think that Jon was a little more respectable than Kate or responsible and should have the kids. BUt the more he shows up in the news lately parading with women all over the place, he just demonstrates to me that he is as despicable as Kate and those kids will pay the price.

Take Paws said...

VA Mom said.. .....I'd cut half of them out as being stressed out minus the show to having that many kids and a husband that moves slower then a sloth..........


Yes--it seems like Jon is stuck in low gear. He doesn't have the "hurry up" or multi-tasking gene.


Kate goes into a "panic" mode very quickly. Her meltdown on the trip to Utah comes to mind. I can't imagine doing that in front of my kids-ever. She said something about there not being a place for them all to stay because there were too many of them.

A few other remarks stick in my mind-

Kevin was helping Jon in the garage and Jon said Joel is an indoor boy.

During the episode when they went caroling Jon was frosting cookies and said "We'll put Mommy's name on this one--she's a DONKEY."

Kate was in the kitchen and said something about "Reform School" for Mady. Does anyone remember this one? I always wondered if I heard it right.

Kate makes so many remarks about icky boys-boy's hands and nails are just always so icky and on and on.

Jake said...

Lesa said...


Step up and be a real man Jon. For once in your life, be a man.


Jon has proven he is not that dupe who was involved in all this only because his domineering wife made him. Jon has never been the man half the people here think he is.

Remember, he said he doesn't believe his children are exploited and he plans to exploit them more. Jon will not do the things you would do if you were him because HE doesn't want to. He wants the free ride through life.

Jake said...

Melissa said...
I still think if this situation was reversed, Jon would be treated with the same enthusiasm as a poisonous garden slug, and Kate would be canonized by the media and general public while Gloria Steinem and Jane Fonda bowed at her feet.

I do wonder why no 'Men's Rights' groups have spoken out. Or am I missing something? They're always on Dr. Phil and Oprah. Maybe they should get behind Jon and his wounded self.


Kate is far more hated by the general public than Jon. Jon is given passes big time. And I am member of one those wounded men groups - we don't want to touch Jon Gosselin with a ten foot pole. He is behaving exactly as the stereotype we want to avoid perpetuating. There is no way he makes a good poster boy for responsible fatherhood following the termination of a difficult marriage.

GAmom said...

Regarding the grandparent issue:

In Kate's defense(which I hate to do but have some experience with the same thing), grandparents are NOT always a treasure, and just because they help out in times of extreme need does not mean they wish to be involved on a day to day basis. Some grandparents suck, and certainly wouldn't jump at the chance to be involved on any level that inconveniences them.

There are people that are great in a crises situation, but not in everyday life. The fact that these grandparents were not at all involved with the show , and have not spoken out one iota for their grandchildren's national exploitation speaks volumes. Seems to me they are as shameful as Jon and Kate. Especially if the grandfather truly is a man of the cloth.

Sugar Booger said...

I don't think anyone can blame Jon for finding companionship. I also don't think there is anything too awful shocking about Hailey Glassman's facebook photos... She's twenty-two! What I blame Jon for is his CHOICE of companions... She's obviously immature, but that's ok, she is young... But I'm sure she isn't prepared to deal with eight children who are almost certainly experiencing emotional issues due to the divorce of their parents... Grow up Jon!

Sugar Booger said...

Jon is going to have the kids model for his Ed Hardy line... Just give the kids to Joe Jackson already!

Angie said...

I am sorry but this one made me giggle.

"Don't grab the cereal like a rabid animal."

Dixie said...

Dixie said...

I think Jon's an immature little boy himself and has brought everything Kate has said to him on himself. He needs to man up.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Divorces can drag on for years... I have no issue with Jon or anyone else dating while in the process of divorcing... his mistake was making this dalliance just a little too public a little too soon. There's an expecting "mourning" period for the marriage, or else you're a jerk, in the public's eye.

dustilies said...

In the couch interview after the debacle of Christmas shopping at ToysRus, Jon says something to Kate like "You shouldn't yell at me in public. It is really embarrassing. I know that you are a wonderful person, but stuff like that makes you look just HORRIBLE to other people." And Kate answers calmly, "I've never cared what other people think about me."

But I actually think she cares a lot about what others think of her, especially the TLC producers and crew. I agree with others that TLC, through editing and egging her on, brought out the worst in her and made her feel that it was just dandy to put it all on display. One of the things I've noticed is that she is frequently mugging for the off-camera people in the room, or making remarks to them that are unkind (or worse) about the kids or Jon. I think this is called "triangulation," where you feel closer to one person by picking on a third party.

One example is when Jon is trying to back that wretched trailer into their driveway to pack for NC, and is having a really hard time with it. Kate's laughing at him and making comments to adults off camera about his ineptitude. Someone asks her if she wants to take a try at it, and she says very quickly "Oh no, I could never do that" with what seems like real honesty. To be aware that you can't do something, and then make mean-spirited jokes about someone fumbling the same task . . . that's not just meanness. It's also, I think, a compulsive desire to please and feel close to the other adults, the ones that have the glamor and the power, like the producers and the crew. Without them there, she might have actually felt more sympathetic (Okay, maybe wishful thinking). At least there would be no record of her thoughts.

Just another way that the cameras altered "reality" for this family.

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone always picking on Kate. Jon is not near perfect either. I'm so concerned for his children as he shows more and more of his new 'wild child' side. That's exactly what he is acting like, a child! Earrings, smoking cigarettes, pot, drinking up a storm, sleeping with girl after girl, etc. What kind of example is he setting for his 8 children? What kind of environment are the kids living in when he is around? It's even less healthy when daddy is around. I hope that Kate opens her eyes and goes for full custody of her children until 'daddy' gets his act together... if ever!

Maude said...

Was the 4th of July episode mentioned? At Bob and Beth's house Kate is going to the van to check on the sleeping kids.
Kate tells Jon she's going out to the van.
Jon- good for you
Kate- I'm taking Hannah
Jon- sure, take the responsible one, and the others are in 5 point safety harnesses.

His tone sounded to me like he was showing off in front of Bob. JMO. What sickies.

ihatefrogs said...

Sugar Booger said...
I don't think anyone can blame Jon for finding companionship. I also don't think there is anything too awful shocking about Hailey Glassman's facebook photos... She's twenty-two! What I blame Jon for is his CHOICE of companions... She's obviously immature, but that's ok, she is young... But I'm sure she isn't prepared to deal with eight children who are almost certainly experiencing emotional issues due to the divorce of their parents... Grow up Jon!

7/14/2009 6:56 AM

At this stage in the 'game', I dont think it is reasonable to expect of or an obligation of whomever Jon chooses to socialize with or 'casually' date to be of the capacity or experience level to deal with the emotional issues (divorce or otherwise) of his children.
Im more than certain Ms. Glassman isnt of the maturity level and or experience to deal with the emotional issues of the Gosselin children. I would hope that if such issues do exist, J & K AS PARENTS, are managing said issues seeking whatever means they deem appropriate.

brit com lover said...

I've often thought of KON when watching the PBS British comedy "Keeping Up Appearances." The wife on the show is a pretentious shrew, yells at her husband constantly by drawing out his name ("Riiichhhaaarrrd!) and doing horrendously horrendous things to try to look upscale.

Nerdy Nerdenstein said...

Kate is so awful when Jon is playing with the kids. It infuriates me to no end.

I think it was the soup episode that they were playing with Play-doh outside. Jon was doing funny things with the Play-doh to make his kids laugh. She acted like that was the most horrible thing to ever do. "You're supposed to be an example." And she held her head in disgust!
I act like a kid with my daughter all the time...it's how you play with kids!!!!!

She did the same thing when she talked about the "HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO" incident. She accused him of playing with toys when he was using the toys to distract the kids from what they were buying them.

Andrea Murdock said...

Maria said "It doesn't matter what Kate said to him. If Jon didn't like it, he should have grown a pair, stood up to her and said "it's gonna be this way or else...". Instead he chose to cheat on his wife. Cheating is never acceptable, even under the worst circumstances. If he was truly miserable, he should have divorced Kate first and THEN start running around with young skanks. He is just showing his true colors."

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Haha! The public doesn't know the truth about Kate YET! When they do, she won't look like the "victim" she is pretending to be. It will come out. Just wait for it.

Sharon said...

Anonymous said...
Why is everyone always picking on Kate. Jon is not near perfect either. I'm so concerned for his children as he shows more and more of his new 'wild child' side. That's exactly what he is acting like, a child! Earrings, smoking cigarettes, pot, drinking up a storm, sleeping with girl after girl, etc. What kind of example is he setting for his 8 children? What kind of environment are the kids living in when he is around? It's even less healthy when daddy is around. I hope that Kate opens her eyes and goes for full custody of her children until 'daddy' gets his act together... if ever!

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Oh Ok, so it's better that hey are with someone who it's them, denies her daughter water, and verbally abuses them dailey. Kate is a very unstable person, and in MHO, should not be left alone with the kids.

Shooka's Snoot said...

The worst was the episode with the soup. She threw him out of the kitchen for no reason--just spoke to him like he was total garbage. I can't remember her exact words, but that was when her insults weren't the slightest bit cute.

Keeping Up Appearances is a better show than this, btw. The pretentious shrew, Hyacinth, is underneath it all, a decent person who is critical of but still helpful to her low-class family. She is always rushing over there to prevent the senile father from getting married or joining the foreign legion. Can you imagine Kate rushing over to the Kreider rectory to solve some problem with her parents or siblings? Kate demands that other people help her, not the other way around.

MelissaLG said...

Eh..., Jon doesn't need our pity. He helped exploit his children too. Plus, he's been known to take immaturity to a whole new level.

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I don't know what Jon Gosselin needs.

But I sympathize with any person, male or female, that has been verbally abused, degraded, and humiliated repeatedly, in PUBLIC, on National TV, by a partner.

I don't care what anyone says: there is NO excuse for Kate's insane behavior.

It went beyond verbal abuse too.

Wasn't there a report that she was pelting Jon with oranges, and TLC camera techs had to intervene and stop her?

And tell me -- why is that Jon is so "immature"? Because he smokes? Lots of mature people smoke. Because he likes to drink? Well, welcome to reality. Most people drink.

Frankly, I think his behavior has been far more mature than most could muster under similar circumstances. He never once lost it, and screamed back at Kate. He never sat in interviews and overtly disrespected her. He never HIT her.

Even when she humiliated him in public, his response was reserved, and always oriented towards Kate's feelings. Remember Toys R Us? He said "I was embarrassed. When you act like that it makes people think you are a bad person. And I know you are not." Her response? "Well, I don't even notice that other people are watching."

What a MATURE explanation for blatently rude, obnoxious behavior. And it's typical of Kate.

Yes, Jon has responsibility in that he allowed Kate to treat him like this. But IMO, Jon was a victim, and he acted accordingly.

And I blame Kate for forcing the family into this awful situation with the press, lack of privacy, and over-exposure. Clearly she ran the show in that family. Jon had NO say in decisions. He clearly said he DID NOT want another TLC contract. But Kate won that battle right? She knew it was hurting her family. But she didn't care did she?
And she lost her marriage in the process. Money was more important that Jon's needs? Money was more important that her children's need for their parents to have a healthy relationship?

Now, who is the immature one again?

Not a fan of either said...

In one episode Jon stated that he has "selective hearing." Kate jumped right in and gleefuly said, "ALL men have selective hearing." I got so freakin sick of her negative generalizations against men. It happened time and time again. If Jon had done that against women we would have never heard the end of it.

BTW. My husband does not have selective hearing you nasty woman.

jonandkatewho? said...

Lesa said...

These are all great!

I think Jon is more of the "under your breath" type of person. He'll say things to the camera about her, but not really to her face.

I'm so mad at Jon right now. I really, really thought he was going to step up and make things better for these kids. I thought he would show he was the more responsible person, and the kids would be given to him. He could stop the show and let them have a normal life.
If I were Jon, I would move back to the old house, down the street from Kevin and Jodi. I'd move the kids into that house and find as many friends and family as I could to hug and love these kids. I'd bring back Aunt Jodi, Carla, Nana Janet, Beth, ect. Wouldn't that be a great way to show the Judge that he is very interested in the welfare of his kids?!
I'd get a "real" job and find a way to take care of my family. If he wants to date, fine, but he needs to think about his children and what they need. Otherwise, he should wait until they are all 18+ and out of the house. Then it's his time.

Step up and be a real man Jon. For once in your life, be a man.

7/13/2009 8:44 PM
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I appreciate the sentiments you expressed here but I had to comment.

I used to think of Jon as the possible/hopeful "hero" in this sad situation myself. I would read all the comments here about how he could now step up and save his kids from this show and make a better life for himself and them.

Sadly that ship already sailed and Jon and the 8 were not aboard. Jon has now shown he is as much about the money and the continuation of his wealthy lifestyle as Kate is. It's a hard fact to accept but it's true. Look at all of his actions. There was never an effort made on his part to do anything to get those kids their childhoods back. He has stuck with the show although he claimed to not be happy. Now he is getting a divorce and after all the years he spent with abusive Kate, he can only think about his freedom and how much fun he can have. I'm sure he loves the kids but he doesn't have any intention of rescuing them from this show.

I think it's a nice fantasy, the idea of him going back to the old neighborhood and becoming close with Kevin and Jodi and even the kids' grandparents. It would make a lovely story but this is real life, and Jon is done with that part. He won't ever go back to that house because he and Kate lived there and I'm sure there are difficult memories there for him. He has also "outgrown" the place because now he's a rich dude who can live in a NY apartment if he wants to.

Jon is in selfish mode right now and he can't be somebody he isn't. I think at the root of it all, he just is not the kind of man who could ever be a hero at any cost to himself and his needs.

And if the rumours are true, he plans on more exploitation of those kids via the clothing deal he supposedly has going on.

I'm now totally disgusted by Jon, and I'm just reminding anybody who has any illusions about him saving the kids to look at the things he has done and continues to do.

If he changes someday and grows up into a real bona fide man, maybe he will save the kids. For now, no, and not in the foreseeable future. He's having too much fun right now. It's all about Jon.

Ragedy Ann said...

Team Eight here.

Who in the heck is parenting these kids? They have been emotionally as well as physically abandoned by both parents...where are the aunts and uncles, grandparents. These kids need a parent. Kate is too busy trying out the new ho heals and fake tan and Jon is too busy trying out the new ho with a tan.

Sadly no one is actually giving two rips about those kids. Some lawyer somewhere should step in and slap a guardian ad litem on those kids and make sure the greedy parents can't use any of their money.

As far as I am concerned Jon and Kate can live in a crate and eat dog food. However the kids can live in the house and have Emeril cook for them every night, and Jody and Kevin can read them bed time stories. Oh and they can chew gum and walk around in the woods peacefully.

Pat said...

My favorite is "Jon, you are breathing too loud!"

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Perogative Feelings said...

Implied Jabs and her intuition:

The fans don't want to know what you know Jon, they can see for themselves.

The tabs don't know what I know.

The fans don't know what I know and they pay me for it.

I am the judge and the fan jury is out on your shriveled marriage thingy.

I didn't mean to interrupt you, I interrupted you.

I did't mean to speak for you I do the speaking for you idiot.

Friends, don't let them choose you, you choose them and you don't pay family.

You sit on the psycho-couch to have your head shrunk, I keep it real.

Your a man your sperm count is higher than your IQ.

Girls, dismiss those dirty boys they disrespect me as much as I do them.

Love the girls (except Maddy) they love me as much as I love them.

I you have one more coffee or dunkin donut hole without my approval, or any surprise I am going to stop taking my meds.

Joel your whinny ass your bottom of the totem pole.

Don't argue with me when have i never been right.

Jon I told you they don't give out coupons for pedicures.

marypoppins said...

dustilies said...
One of the things I've noticed is that she is frequently mugging for the off-camera people in the room, or making remarks to them that are unkind (or worse) about the kids or Jon. I think this is called "triangulation," where you feel closer to one person by picking on a third party.

...I think, a compulsive desire to please and feel close to the other adults, the ones that have the glamor and the power, like the producers and the crew.
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You put into words what I have been thinking.

Kate and Jon were both the stars of the show and new to the whole tv filming thing yet Kate carried on as if she were a seasoned producer/actress/star and Jon was a nobody.

On the couch she would correct, interupt him or roll her eyes at him when he tried to describe a situation. She would accuse him of rambling or using incorrect grammer. While he was talking it was as if she was just waiting to pounce on his grammer or sentence construction.

When he did take her direction or correction, she would speak to him in this fake sugary voice - oh honey isn't that better....
(but i think she really meant wink wink to camera man and producer we know you can't do any better but its nice you are trying.)

DO you remember when they were at Beths house for filming and pictures. Kate told him to put the clothes upstains, then decided the clothes should be brought to her downstairs instead. She made some rude remark, dismissed him and then looks over Beth to roll her eyes and make some remark. I dont think Beth thought it was funny.

When you try to please people you consider cool or powerful at the expense of your husbands or kids feelings, then you need to stop and look at yourself.

I can picture her saying " Aren't men wonderful"

Jonstheherohere said...

JonandKateWho said . . .
Jon is in selfish mode right now and he can't be somebody he isn't. I think at the root of it all, he just is not the kind of man who could ever be a hero at any cost to himself and his needs.

And if the rumours are true, he plans on more exploitation of those kids via the clothing deal he supposedly has going on.

I'm now totally disgusted by Jon, and I'm just reminding anybody who has any illusions about him saving the kids to look at the things he has done and continues to do.

If he changes someday and grows up into a real bona fide man, maybe he will save the kids. For now, no, and not in the foreseeable future. He's having too much fun right now. It's all about Jon.

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Gotta disagree here. Rather than describing Jon as "having too much fun right now," perhaps instead he IS happy that he survived this marriage at all. More power to him.

I, for one, can't put my finger on the type of person wifey actually is: she is someone who is very hard to deal with. She ain't backin' down on any subject, no matter what! I've encountered ppl. like her, and they baffle me. It's like she has untold self-confidence and, get out of the way everyone, it's her way or no way!

There is a coldness there, too. Plow ahead no matter who you hurt or insult. Anyone have any idea what personality type this is?

I empathize with Jon because I have some of the same personality traits as he; easygoing, generally happy, quiet and slow to anger. This kind of person can get kicked around quite a bit; I know, it's happened to me.

When combined with a bulldozer, he didn't stand a chance. Hence, the ridicule (i.e. I couldn't believe she made fun of him in front of their guest, Emeril; at least Emeril himself was trying mightily to be nice to Jon in the kitchen scene), the rolling of eyes when Jon's not watching, the barage of yelling, the hitting (did it hurt? Think so.) And she has the audacity to portray herself as the victim here.

Rock on, Jon. Despite what some may say, it's clear you're a good man and a devoted dad. Sorry for the abuse you have suffered.

marypoppins said...

Take Paws
Kate was in the kitchen and said something about "Reform School" for Mady.Kate was in the kitchen and said something about "Reform School" for Mady. Does anyone remember this one? I always wondered if I heard it right
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I never heard this one. But did anyone cath this during the visit to the donated apt they stayed in when the tups were born.

Mady is throwing a tantrum beacase she does not want oatmeal for breakfast.
She runs into the bedroom kate instructs Jon "she may not come out ...." Then Kate goes on in a very frustrated voice "Day after day of that child."

Really, your daughter on international TV.
Anyhow said Mady might soon the be the new face of some clothes line and maybe even the next MK or Ashley O!

Geri said...

Jake said...
I don't blame Jon for moving on to Hailey Glassman; however I think he should have waited until the divorce was final.

I think this confirms that the show is O-V-E-R! Or will they rename it the "Kate and her 8" show??

Jon intends to keep filming so his kids can be walking billboardsfor the Ed Hardy line. That was in the People.com article.

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It was said on Showbiz Tonight that the kids were going to model the clothing in PRINT ADS...so hopefully they will get a paycheck and not have to wear those clothes on the show.

MelissaLG said...

I empathize with Jon because I have some of the same personality traits as he; easygoing, generally happy, quiet and slow to anger. This kind of person can get kicked around quite a bit; I know, it's happened to me.

When combined with a bulldozer, he didn't stand a chance.

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I agree. I can empathize with him for the same reasons. It is VERY difficult for someone who has a low-key personality to stand-up to the dominating, high-strung, demanding, hyper-critical Kate's of the world.

And for those that say that Jon will exploit his children via a Ed Hardy deal -- I disagree.

Like it or not, the children do have a market value. And it would be ridiculous, and frankly contrary to their long-term best interests to overlook that potential. BUT it has to be used in a way that does not impede the children's privacy and allows them to live relatively normal existances for child-stars.

Jon allowing them to be photographed in Ed Hardy clothing is a good way to do that. The hours are minimal. It is just photos done in a studio.

There are no video cameras following their every move. It is not invaded their home.

Jon has made a smart move IMO. Good for him. You can raise celebrity children AND protect their privacy at the same time. Kate should have done this long ago. My guess is that it does not pay as well as TLC. ;)

KnittingMom said...

The stuff Jon has said is within the realm of "normal"--things even good parents blurt out sometimes in frustration. I'd hate to have my "bad mom" moments on national tv, that's for sure.

Kate, otoh, is not normal. Her behavior is nothing short of abusive. Let's remember that she has alienated every single person in her family and Jon's. Gumgate made me want to cry--the cruel way she told her ds that she was throwing out his blanket buddy...{{shudder}}

The fact that Jon is any kind of a decent parent with Kate as a "parenting partner" is a testament to him. He may be a lame slacker, but he is a better father than a lot of people would be if they were in his shoes (married young, emotionally abused by spouse, primary caretaker of eight kids).

Swissmiss said...

I've heard suggestions that Jon is going through a mid-life crisis. I don't agree at all. He never matured in the first place. He never should have gotten married so soon.

He is experiencing things he should have gone through in his 20-something years as a single guy.

Instead of taking his girlfriend to France, he should have taken the two older children for a special trip with Dad.

KnittingMom said...

Why shouldn't Jon be in France with anyone he chooses? It's obviously Kate's "turn" to be at home with the kids. When it's Jon's "turn," he will be at home and Kate will be off wherever she chooses to go. That's their arrangement. Agree or disagree with it, Jon is not abdicating any responsibility to the kids, because right now he *can't* be at home with them.

I'm also appalled at the poster who said that Jon deserved everything Kate ever said to him. No one deserves to be verbally abused. I hate it when people trot out a "blame the victim" excuse for the abuser. It's disgusting and wrong.

Jon showed a lot of restraint during that show. His on-camera response to her ToysRUs tirade was an incredible show of self-control. I would not have been nearly as nice as he was after the scene Kate made, I can tell you that.

So, again, Jon is probably a bit of an immature slacker, but he's doing better than a lot of people could under the same circumstances. And I think the kids' clothing deal is pretty tame compared to Kate's exploitation of those kids' private lives. Heck, half the kids in America are wearing sponsored logo clothing every time they step out onto a sports field, so it's not that big a deal.

SHANNAN said...

This is something no one has brought up.

What about when they got the German Shephard puppies and Kate is describing how it came to pass that they hooked up with the breeder.

Now forgive me as I retell this because I only watched the episode once, but it stuck out in my mind and hasn't left. She is talking about how she met the breeder because he was doing security for one of their speaking engagements. The breeder was telling Kate about these German Shepherd he breeds and she was like, "Yeah, Yeah - when will this guy stop talking"

And that is how she describes the interaction - Yeah, Yeah, when will he stop talking. How rude and disprectful is that? And when they went to the place to pick up the puppies - the guy seemed like a real genuine and nice guy. I bet he regrets giving the dogs to those people.

Also - what about when Kate is talking about how they named the dogs? "I'm NOT going to let my children name them with stupid names like Buddy or Foo Foo - I'm giving them the names that sound good". Another very mean, insecure comment. Her poor kids.

Um... said...

MelissaLG said...

Eh..., Jon doesn't need our pity. He helped exploit his children too. Plus, he's been known to take immaturity to a whole new level.

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I don't know what Jon Gosselin needs.

But I sympathize with any person, male or female, that has been verbally abused, degraded, and humiliated repeatedly, in PUBLIC, on National TV, by a partner.

I don't care what anyone says: there is NO excuse for Kate's insane behavior.

It went beyond verbal abuse too.

Wasn't there a report that she was pelting Jon with oranges, and TLC camera techs had to intervene and stop her?

And tell me -- why is that Jon is so "immature"? Because he smokes? Lots of mature people smoke. Because he likes to drink? Well, welcome to reality. Most people drink.

Frankly, I think his behavior has been far more mature than most could muster under similar circumstances. He never once lost it, and screamed back at Kate. He never sat in interviews and overtly disrespected her. He never HIT her.

Even when she humiliated him in public, his response was reserved, and always oriented towards Kate's feelings. Remember Toys R Us? He said "I was embarrassed. When you act like that it makes people think you are a bad person. And I know you are not." Her response? "Well, I don't even notice that other people are watching."

What a MATURE explanation for blatently rude, obnoxious behavior. And it's typical of Kate.

Yes, Jon has responsibility in that he allowed Kate to treat him like this. But IMO, Jon was a victim, and he acted accordingly.

And I blame Kate for forcing the family into this awful situation with the press, lack of privacy, and over-exposure. Clearly she ran the show in that family. Jon had NO say in decisions. He clearly said he DID NOT want another TLC contract. But Kate won that battle right? She knew it was hurting her family. But she didn't care did she?
And she lost her marriage in the process. Money was more important that Jon's needs? Money was more important that her children's need for their parents to have a healthy relationship?

Now, who is the immature one again?

7/14/2009 9:14 AM

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I'm not standing up for Kate. I'm just saying that the only Gosselins that need our pity are the children.

Also, don't assume that I am talking about smoking and drinking when I am addressing Jon's immaturity. I'm aware many people enjoy those habits, and see nothing wrong with them; I'm not an idiot.

Jon is immature, in that he is grasping for his long lost college years, as a 32 year old father of eight. He, now, has an abundant amount of responsibilities to his little, loving kids. Instead of puttig his big-boy pants on and dealing, Jon is partying at bars, dating younger women, spending the children's (he doesn't work) funds on himself, and is shirking his responsibilities to his children, just like Kate does. He is practically living off of his children. Like a bum. Again, Kate is too, and I'm not excusing her behavior. All I'm saying is that some people are too wiling to excuse Jon's behavior, arguing that Kate's is worse.

Kate's IS worse. But that doesn't mean Jon's isn't bad either. He doesn't need to be defended. He said he didn't want to continue the show (we hoped because he had realized the long-term damage it might do to his kids), and, yet, he says the show is not exploiting his children almost giving TLC and Kate permission to keep filming his kids.

Jon seems to think about himself first. Yes, he is more loving to his children, but that doesn't change how selfish and immature he is.

jonandkatewho? said...

Jonstheherohere said...

JonandKateWho said . . .
Jon is in selfish mode right now and he can't be somebody he isn't. I think at the root of it all, he just is not the kind of man who could ever be a hero at any cost to himself and his needs.

And if the rumours are true, he plans on more exploitation of those kids via the clothing deal he supposedly has going on.

I'm now totally disgusted by Jon, and I'm just reminding anybody who has any illusions about him saving the kids to look at the things he has done and continues to do.

If he changes someday and grows up into a real bona fide man, maybe he will save the kids. For now, no, and not in the foreseeable future. He's having too much fun right now. It's all about Jon.

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Gotta disagree here. Rather than describing Jon as "having too much fun right now," perhaps instead he IS happy that he survived this marriage at all. More power to him.

I, for one, can't put my finger on the type of person wifey actually is: she is someone who is very hard to deal with. She ain't backin' down on any subject, no matter what! I've encountered ppl. like her, and they baffle me. It's like she has untold self-confidence and, get out of the way everyone, it's her way or no way!

There is a coldness there, too. Plow ahead no matter who you hurt or insult. Anyone have any idea what personality type this is?

I empathize with Jon because I have some of the same personality traits as he; easygoing, generally happy, quiet and slow to anger. This kind of person can get kicked around quite a bit; I know, it's happened to me.

When combined with a bulldozer, he didn't stand a chance. Hence, the ridicule (i.e. I couldn't believe she made fun of him in front of their guest, Emeril; at least Emeril himself was trying mightily to be nice to Jon in the kitchen scene), the rolling of eyes when Jon's not watching, the barage of yelling, the hitting (did it hurt? Think so.) And she has the audacity to portray herself as the victim here.

Rock on, Jon. Despite what some may say, it's clear you're a good man and a devoted dad. Sorry for the abuse you have suffered.

7/14/2009 11:13 AM
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Tell me, how long do you give Jon to jump in and play the hero role?

Would you like to place a small wager on him not doing so in the next...oh....say, two years?

I sincerely hope I'm wrong. But when the show starts back up in August, I guess we shall see.

Oh, and it isn't my intention to heap abuse upon Jon; I understand that Kate was abusive to him. I just don't see him playing the hero and getting his kids off the show like some of us had hoped he might do.

A good man and a devoted dad? He's living off their kids, partying like a fool, and refuses to get a real job.

MelissaLG said...

Instead of taking his girlfriend to France, he should have taken the two older children for a special trip with Dad.


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Exactly how would he do this and not violate the law?

Keep in mind, there is a COURT ordered visitation schedule in place. This is Kate's week. Jon cannot simply pick the kids up and take them where he pleases. Kate would have to agree. It would have to be in writing, through the attorneys. It is a MAJOR pain to modify the schedule. And it is NOT in the child's best interest b/c they are adjusting to it right now anyway.

Anyway, do not criticize Jon for spending time in France versus with his children. That is terribly unfair. He is not legally allowed to be with the children right now.

RachieDough said...

MelissaLG said...
Instead of taking his girlfriend to France, he should have taken the two older children for a special trip with Dad.


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Exactly how would he do this and not violate the law?

Keep in mind, there is a COURT ordered visitation schedule in place. This is Kate's week. Jon cannot simply pick the kids up and take them where he pleases. Kate would have to agree. It would have to be in writing, through the attorneys. It is a MAJOR pain to modify the schedule. And it is NOT in the child's best interest b/c they are adjusting to it right now anyway.

Anyway, do not criticize Jon for spending time in France versus with his children. That is terribly unfair. He is not legally allowed to be with the children right now.

7/14/2009 12:19 PM
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Man where did you get a copy of their custody agreement! I would love to take a look at it!

Seriously though, how the heck does anyone here know their arrangement? It's obviously flexible if Kate was able to jet to California mid-week. If they are able to handle custody without the courts getting involved then kudos, but lets not speculate an iron clad contract.

That being said, I still don't think Jon was thinking about anyone but himself by agreeing to take a high publicity trip to the south of France mere weeks after announcing his split with Kate. ESPECIALLY if he was going to bring Hailey Glassman with him.I used to think that Jon was just another spoiled rich kid who hit hard times when Daddy Warbucks passed away, leaving him on his own with a baseball team full of kids to support. Now, though, I'm thinking he might actually be lacking brain capacity.

Say what you will about Kate... kniving, petulant, obnoxious. She's not stupid, though. Not stupid as in lack of intelligence. Jon just may be. They are both proving to be selfish and greedy, but Jon is coming out on top as the biggest douchebag in Central Pa. And trust me, there are many here.

lifeoriley said...

I don't know if this has been posted before, but I remember Kate saying to Jon, "Keep your bleeding to a minimum!" when Jon accidentally cut himself cracking crab legs for the kids in NC. She then proceeded to say, "That's just nasty!"--as if Jon purposely cut himself and was bleeding (how dare he!) just to annoy Kate.

Nora said...

I think the "green" episode was totally about how mean Kate is. I think that Steve guy was trying to excuse her rudeness, and I also think he was a bit embarrassed and not sure of what to say to her.

The motorcycle guys also seemed unsure of how to behave around her. She is plain mean.

Merrilee said...

It seems like Jon has been a bit "shell shocked" and might be behaving in a way that is unusual for him.

I think in a few years, if he looks back at this, he will be surprised and shocked at his actions, and might wonder what in the world he was thinking.

He has been through a lot for a lot of years. Kate beat him down till there was nothing left.

He is trying to get on with his life. I feel sorry for him.

I have gone through some real trauma in my life, and now look back and wonder how in the world I could have behaved the way I did.

Let's hope he finds himself and becomes an honorable man and father of 8.

Ina Nutshell said...

Swissmiss said...

I've heard suggestions that Jon is going through a mid-life crisis. I don't agree at all. He never matured in the first place. He never should have gotten married so soon.

He is experiencing things he should have gone through in his 20-something years as a single guy.


Uh, except that there's no way in heck a hot NYC plastic-surgeon's college-grad daughter with her eye on celebrity-status would have given the time of day to a bumpkin with a high-school diploma and a dead-end 9-5 job. It was only through marriage to Kate, fathering 8 kids, and then letting them be exploited on national TV that Jon was able to get on Hailey's radar.

Please get help! said...

I have never posted before, but have been coming here to read what is on everyone else's mind, thinking that surely I can't be alone.

My heart breaks for Joel every time I see him. I had a really hard time watching the few episodes I could get through because I was crying for him. He's such a sweet little boy and seems to be very very smart. I can often see the wheels in his head turning, thinking things over. It's a shame they don't get to know him better.

I can't understand how they don't see how cruel they are. Is it because they have so many kids that Joel is expendable? Put on this earth to be some sick form of entertainment? I have also seen them be horrible to some of their other children. Forgive me, I am not familiar enough with this... "program"... to know each of the children - interesting that I do know Joel. Unfortunately, it is because of the way they treat him, which is sad. It's also easy to see that there are a few of the kids who can do no wrong and they are starting to pick up on that.

Kids always feel like someone else is the favorite, even when they are treated exactly the same. Just imagine how they must feel when it's so blatantly obvious that your parents not only show a preference for one child over you and your "flock" of other siblings, but goes out of their way to humiliate you for entertainment purposes?

I am sad to say that I think all of the children are eating disorders / drug addictions / self-haters in the making. Many, many adults come from loving backgrounds and fall into such things. It truly saddens me to think of what this is doing to these children. ( or to some of them... )

Hate to break it to you Jon. The kids won't have to "Google" to learn the truth about you or Kate or their upbringing or how you really feel about them. They just have to watch the DVD's of the "show" they "starred" in for years. They also have this wonderful thing called a MEMORY. I shudder to think of not only what ends up on the cutting room floor but what goes on when the camera's aren't there to record it.

Not for kids said...

Why in the world would Jon want to bring 2 eight year old's to that kind of a trip for business mostly.
Plus on a yaght? What were they going to do while everyone drank and sat around talking? They are always bored anyway.
Not even a consideration in my book. Its not a family (kids) type trip, from everything we see.

Love is what I need said...

Jon is probably just loving holding someone's hand and having them dote on him. Kate NEVER even touched him, except to hit him.
She was cold and indifferent and didn't hug or kiss him out of the blue, or tell him what a great job he does with the kids. Jon was craving someone to love him and make him feel appreciated and wanted.

Just Julie said...

Back to the puppy episode...

Kids: "Thank you!"
Kate: "You're not welcome!"

Who, over the age 7, says THAT? You don't talk like that to children.

It was just another example of moments on that show that made my heart sink.

YouGetWhatYouPayFor said...

You get what you pay for. If Kate hadn't been so eager to get a free tummy tuck, Jon would have never met his girl-fling.

He doesn't get a free pass, his behavior could be better, but really - I do believe Kate drove him out.

I live next door to a woman very much like Kate. She's "Christian," yet she had no qualms in cheating on her husband b/c he "ignored her." Said husband owns his own business and he needed to work all the time so wifey could buy her iPhone and her Coach accessories and her new kitchen supplies from Williams-Sonoma. She belittled her husband, yet she had him doing all the stuff around the house she didn't want to do. And when she strayed, he took her back.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kate strayed too. Maybe that is what drove Jon into this girl-fling. I do wish he could remove the kids from the home, but with the courts and the divorce this is probably easier said than done.

Nothing is free. There is always a catch.

Sami said...

"It doesn't matter what Kate said to him. If Jon didn't like it, he should have grown a pair, stood up to her and said "it's gonna be this way or else...". Instead he chose to cheat on his wife. Cheating is never acceptable, even under the worst circumstances. If he was truly miserable, he should have divorced Kate first and THEN start running around with young skanks. He is just showing his true colors."

Really? Cheating is never acceptable even in the worst circumstances?

I don't think so. If one is in an abusive relationship and looking for a way out I don't see one getting a divorce first. If one was in a relationship where they could get out of it without fear THEN yes I can see having some decency in waiting before tromping around with your new GF. But to give an absolute like never? No. That is in essence wrong. I'm not saying that is what Jon is doing, but I'm saying as an absolute.

BUT, you also have to understand that untangling himself financially from Kate will be extremely sticky. So I guess I can see his reasoning for not waiting to be public. It not like he can arguably be private with his life right now. I suppose if it looked like he was sneaking around and trying to keep it secret it would, either way, look bad on him.

stacib said...

I can relate to Kate. I started watching this show because her relationship with Jon was so similar to mine with my husband. My husband hated the show, mainly because of Kate, and because it was incredibly boring for him.

I could sympathize with her and understood what she was wanting from Jon (even though she and I weren't expressing it correctly). The control, the name-calling (which I sincerely considered teasing), the "love-pats," etc.

I stopped watching because I had to get rid of cable to save money when my husband left me and the kids. I was devastated when he had multiple affairs with women, most being family friends. I was shocked when I saw the same things being played out in the Gosselin family.

The thing that changed everything for me was when I started taking an antidepressant. It literally changed my whole demeanor, but I still felt like myself. I don't have all the stresses that Kate has, but can only imagine an antidepressant would help her too. Once I was on it, I could rationally handle situations. I could easily see how the reactions I had in the past were totally inappropriate. I also learned that those reactions were beyond my control. Sometimes I would be angry and not be able to control what I was saying. My therapist said it was simply that my brain did not produce enough chemical to cope with the stresses. Simply that, no mental disorders, no personality defects, just not enough chemical for those specific stresses.

My husband and I have since been working on reconciling, which has been great for the kids. I would love to see that happen for J&K.

I would love to be able to reach out to them in some way, even if it is just to share my similar situation.

I know that my behavior did not cause my husband to leave, and based on that, I don't think it caused Jon to leave either. I truly hope they can work things out.

The point of this comment is in some ways defending Kate because I could totally relate to her when I watched the episodes. But, I only saw 30-60 minute windows into their lives, so who can really say what their reality is?

LisaNH said...

I have to say that reading the comments from Kate to Jon indicated her ignorance and lack of civility. Maybe she thought she was being cute (or "full of the cutes" as my grandmother used to put it) but I found nothing amusing about the way she spoke to Jon.

I have a wonderful husband. Does he make me crazy sometimes? Yes. Does he do things that make me want to pull my hair out? Sure. But never, ever would I make a nasty, condescending remark to him. Why? First and foremost, I love him. I would never treat him that way. Second, I respect him. Third, having been married before and seeing what a lousy person my ex husband was (abusive, verbally, physically and mentally) I appreciate what a good, decent man I am married to now. When you are given such a wonderful gift of true love and a wonderful partner to share your life with, you cherish it, not abuse it.

What I'm trying to say is that obviously Kate did not love Jon. If she did I would certainly think she would have treated him better. Then again, I'm not so sure that Kate is capable of love.

moi said...

Knitting Mom said, "Jon showed a lot of restraint during that show. His on-camera response to her ToysRUs tirade was an incredible show of self-control. I would not have been nearly as nice as he was after the scene Kate made, I can tell you that."

I don't think it's a matter of Jon having restraint, being nice, or any of those.

I think it's a matter of Jon is not the sharpest washable Crayola crayon in the box.

Sounds like a duck said...

We all cannot forget that Kate cheated first. Even if it can't be proven that she physically cheated,
it was certainly an 'affair of the heart' for Kate, which is still cheating. She did get caught kissing Steve, so I hear a duck quacking somewhere.

MelissaLG said...

Say what you will about Kate... kniving, petulant, obnoxious. She's not stupid, though. Not stupid as in lack of intelligence.

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I respectfully disagree. Stupid is as stupid does. And in this regard, Jon is a mental titan compared to the lovely Kate.

While Kate may have a higher IQ than Jon, i.e, academic intelligence, she is absolutely VOID of common sense. And sorry, but that is what counts in this world.

As someone pointed out -- how dumb is it to go on national TV nagging, complaining, whining, being an absolute nightmare? I know people that are absolutely dumb as doorknobs that would know to "act nice" in front of camera. Geesh. STUPID!

Even Jon knew better than to spew his mouth in front of the camera non-stop. He is almost TOO nice, too guarded. And Kate suffers from constant diahrrea of the mouth, constipation of brain, blurting out every single thought that crosses her mind, regardless of how insensitive or offensive. And yet, some think she is the smart one. Unreal.

And BTW -- temporary vistation orders are pretty much standardized from state to state. They rarely vary from case to case. If Kate whizzed her children away mid-way in Jon's week, I guarantee you it was only b/c Jon cooperated with her. Kate is highly unlikely to be the type of ex that cooperates with Jon. I guess you'd know that if you spent years in family law nightmares. ;)

MelissaLG said...

Jon seems to think about himself first. Yes, he is more loving to his children, but that doesn't change how selfish and immature he is.

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Frankly, if he were as selfish and immature as you say he was, he would have told Kate to go to hell and divorced her many years ago.

And he would NOT have taken the verbal abuse that he did without putting up a defense.

I am telling you from experience, it takes a seriously grounded, mature person to tolerate someone like Kate and remain. How can you honestly say he stayed with her for any reason other than those children? Seriously? On what do you base this? I have NEVER seen him act as harshly and as insensitively as Kate does around those darlings -- and yet Jon is labeled the immature one? The one that shirk responsibility? If he were female would you say that? Doubt it.

meredith said...

On the sextuplets first trip to the dentist when Alexis freaked out Khate referred to her as "irrational and thrashulacious."

mollybloom said...

If I remember correctly, Jon didn't want the hair plugs, but Kate convinced him. The surgery was free, after all. While we don't know if Jon was really reluctant to undergo this procedure (at that time I suspect he didn't see the value of suffering for physical appearance), Kate certainly thought his impending baldness needing correcting. If my husband suggested I needed surgery to "fix" the effects of aging, I would have a fit. Nor would I suggest this for him. Kate has been a self-absorbed media whore from the beginning. Jon is probably on his way by now.

Michelle said...

Can anyone remember a time when they showed one another genuine love or tenderness? Or even friendship? Maybe in the early one hour specials, but I can't think of much beyond that.

maria said...

Anonymous Sounds like a duck said...

We all cannot forget that Kate cheated first. Even if it can't be proven that she physically cheated,
it was certainly an 'affair of the heart' for Kate, which is still cheating. She did get caught kissing Steve, so I hear a duck quacking somewhere.

-----------------If she was caught kissing Steve, or anyone, why hasn't it been splashed all over? The only place I've heard about it is on little sites like this. There is no evidence that Kate did anything wrong, but there is TONS of evidence against Jon. Not a Kate fan, but I DO feel Jon did wrong by her and the entire family.

disgusted in nj said...

I knew a woman who was married to the male version of Kate. He would leave her and come back, again and again. The last time he left her he told the children that it was "mommy's fault" that he was leaving.

She told me that she couldn't help the children until she got her own head together. She did get it together and went on to do great things and to raise children into adults that anyone would be proud to call their own.

He went on to marry over and over and blame her every time one of his marriages didn't work out. He told her it was her fault for letting him go in the first place.

What I am trying to say is give Jon a chance to get his head straight and he might surprise us all by doing the right thing for his children.

Five and Dime said...

Deanna said...
Can someone briefly tell me what "gumgate" is? I've only caught bits and pieces of a couple shows as I was too horrified by the exploitation to watch much.

The kid's Aunt Jodi used to watch all 8 kids FOR FREE once a week and whenever Kate guilted her into it. One time they found gumballs in the house and asked for them. Jodi asked them if they were allowed to chew gum and, having been allowed gum on airplane trips, they innocently (or perhaps not so innocently!) said "yes". Later Kate the saint found gum stuck in hair and on clothing and toys and you'd think that Aunt Jodi had come over and torched half their house. Huge over-reaction.
My understanding is that TLC later offered to pay Jodi and Kevin for appearing on the shows but Kate couldn't stand to share.

If it sounds like a duck said...

When Mady caught Kate and Steve, it
WAS splashed in the magazines, with Mady's reaction, that's where I read it, and no one denied it as far as the Gosselins..the way Kate was so 'appalled' about the accusations of her and Steve having an affair, yet she NEVER denied it.
It wasn't something that was made up and only reported here.
More then once did I read about Mady catching them in NC several months ago.

It is what it is said...

Maria..perhaps you missed the interview with Kevin (Kate's brother) and Jodi, who came forward and said that Jon came to them back last summmer and suspected that Kate was having an affair with Steve and he wanted to hire a detective to follow them.
Kevin/Jodi had NO reason to lie and I totally believe them. Jon had a gut feeling a long time ago and a spouse is rarely wrong about those things. He KNEW.

An Excellent Post! said...

To: MelissaLG on 7/14 at 9:14 AM
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I completely agree with your views on Jon's behavior. You said it so well!

You said: "But I sympathize with any person, male or female, that has been verbally abused, degraded, and humiliated repeatedly, in PUBLIC, on National TV, by a partner."

And: "Even when she humiliated him in public, his response was reserved, and always oriented towards Kate's feelings. Remember Toys R Us? He said "I was embarrassed. When you act like that it makes people think you are a bad person. And I know you are not." Her response? "Well, I don't even notice that other people are watching."

TUNDRA said...

What's good for the goose is good for the gander ... meaning the celebrity and faux-celebrity gossip websites don't seem to be playing favorites where Jon and Kate are concerned. As for Steve Neild and Kate, all we can say for certain is since this report and others (e.g. reports of Mady seeing Kate and Steve kissing in NC) Steve Neild is M.I.A. Why?

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May 2009

Jon And Kate Plus 8 mom Kate Gosselin has been spotted in public holding hands with her bodyguard Steve Neild.

Detroit based radio host West Bloomfield of Mojo In The Morning revealed today that he spotted Gosselin and Nield walking through the lobby of The Troy Marriott Hotel in Michigan holding hands.

“They were totally holding hands,” he revealed.

Source: Radar Online

sahm NOT slacker said...

If I were a stay at home dad, who, from what we've been shown, was the main hands on caregiver to 8 children, I would be offended that people viewed me as a slacker with no job. Jon was shown waking the children up, dressing them, brushing their teeth, playing with them, taking all on individual outings, bathing them, and putting them to bed. What is it exactly that Kate has ever done in the way of direct contact with these children? I see tons of negatives, but not 1 single positive. I'm not a huge Jon fan right now but geez, give the guy a break for 10 minutes. I live in the real world and don't know too many dads that have been this involved with their children, much less 8 of them. Let the man step out for a few, have a smoke, get it together, then hopefully come back stronger.

fedup said...

Haha! The public doesn't know the truth about Kate YET! When they do, she won't look like the "victim" she is pretending to be. It will come out. Just wait for it.
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I truly hope that you are right. At this point nothing would surprise me.

fedup said...

Keep in mind, there is a COURT ordered visitation schedule in place. This is Kate's week. Jon cannot simply pick the kids up and take them where he pleases. Kate would have to agree. It would have to be in writing, through the attorneys. It is a MAJOR pain to modify the schedule. And it is NOT in the child's best interest b/c they are adjusting to it right now anyway.
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Actually if the parents agree it is not that difficult to change days. You simply swap.
However I don't know how amicable these two are. They looked friendly on the fourth, but after this weekend who knows.
I do think that Jon could find better ways to spend his time alone.

Anonymomma said...

I think J&K stayed together as long as they did because of resources. They didn't have the means to divorce and it was in both of their financial favor to stay. Then along came TLC and the money. Kate says they 'very swiftly became two seperate people'. She's right. They were both looking for that door.

I think Jon is acting out. Rebounding, if you will. He was basically grounded for ten years. What does a 15 year old do who was just allowed off of their grounding? Everything and anything they can think of. Not saying I agree with what he's doing, just stating what I think.

Whatever Kate's personal issues are, she knows it. She knows there's a problem. I just don't think she's ready to face it and deal with it. She thinks she can fix it herself, but she needs help. The real shame is, she can say such harsh things to her husband and children, yet can't speak up for herself and ask for help. Her pride is what's wrapped around her vocal cords.

SkippyMom said...

I am sure this has been mentioned already, but I am putting my vote in for the worst Kate sentence of five years **cough** seasons of their life:

[Kate slaps Jon in the face]

Jon: Ow!
Kate: Jon don't be a victim. Victimization is ugly in a man [paraphrased - please correct the wording]

THAT is when I finally threw up in my mouth, spit it out and banished myself to the laundry room floor without my beloved lovey teddy bear to sleep alone, in the dark knowing how horrible this woman is.

Angie said...

stacib said.............

My husband and I have since been working on reconciling, which has been great for the kids. I would love to see that happen for J&K.

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I wish you and your family the very best.

Maude said...

ONE person claims to have seen Kate and Steve holding hands, and a tabloid reported that Maddy caught them kissing.

Not even close to concrete evidence.

As much as I want to believe the worst about Kate (and do for the most part) I'm holding off on believing she cheated without absolute proof.

Can said...

It was mentioned that Kate never got CAUGHT with Steve other then Mady and the DJ. Want to know why?
Because shes a BIG SNEAK. Always HAS been. A very CAREFUL SNEAK.

Ohio Buckeye said...

If the male/husband in a televised relationship displayed the exact same behavior as we are shown weekly via the character of Kate, we'd all say in feminine unison that this male/husband is verbally and emotionally abusive. We'd be collectively upset (and rightfully so) that this kind of spousal abuse is shown on TV muchless portrayed as a 'close knit family', thereby promoting the concept that abuse is part of a 'normal' and 'happy' family.

This is not a view of family life I'd want children to form as a gauge of what to expect/emulate in a 'normal', 'happy' family - that, hey, abuse happens, it's no big deal, so just buck up and pretend it's ok becuase 'everybody does it'. Nobody should do it - that is the message we ought to be giving, that abuse (including verbal and insidious emotional) is never ok. Not ever.

TV portraying as acceptable a character (male or female) who continuously displays abusive behavior is indefensible. It's time for us to stand up against all types of abuse, and this includes wives whose treatment of their husbands match the weekly systematic husband demeaning we see on J&K+8.

Who of us that are mothers of sons would ever want to sit by and watch our sons try so hard to please a mean-spirited, control freak, narcissistic, male-bashing wife? Observe our sons doing so much to help with family life, yet constantly be berated for failing to, on cue, repeat the words we hear K constantly demand, "Kate, how can I help you?" Puhleeeze. With a personality like K's, a spouse's best bet is to stand on the sideline and wait for the next canine-like command, because any initiative taken will be criticized completely out of proportion - either the 'wrong' thing was done (i.e., a different but no less effective solution was found) or the 'right' thing was done but the effort did not measure up to impossible-for-any-mere-mortal-to-achieve perfectionistic (and meaningless) standards. This kind of ongoing interpersonal interaction is abuse and it would be good to raise awareness of this fact.

The spousal interaction we observe on J&K+8, regardless of which gender is visiting it upon the other, is abhorrent and has no business being portrayed as 'normal' or referred to euphemistically as 'bickering'. This is no example of mere bickering. It is disrespectful and engineered to humiliate in a way no creature of either gender deserves to be treated.

Add to this twisted peek into what is supposed to be 'normal' family life the apparent new TV ploy of playing off the character of K as the long-suffering martyr/victim who somehow suffers more and loves her children more deeply than any other single moms (including those not on the TLC gravy train) is obscene even by current TV standards. "Jon no longer wants to be married to me" (cue the tears & tissues). No one in their right might would want to be married to a person who consistently snarls, snipes, and belittles everyone in proximity. Even Shoka and Nala display superior interpersonal skills than those we see in K.

Bottom line is that, IMO, passing off the behavior we have seen on this show as normal, even endearing, teaches that we should all lower our acuity in recognizing abuse when we see it. This is not a good trend and we should speak out against it.
Ohio Buckeye

Wolfdreamer said...

I just thought of something. If John relly wants to get vile in the court against Kate all he has to do is use the footage to show the judge what a Loon she is and he could get full custody. Out of the two of them he seems more likely to end the show.

toosad4words said...

and they're showing pics of camera and sound people unloading the car at the Konpound.

lagne said...

GAmom said...
What I find very offensive here is the notion by so many that simply because Jon got married young, the midlife crises is expectd.

My husband and I got married when we were 21- 13 years ago. He has never cheated, faithfully goes to work every day so I can stay home, and loves his home and family life.

IMO, Jon's behavior stems from putting up with Kates BS and from being a stay at home dad. I know it's very un-politically correct to say, but when gender roles are reversed and twisted, generally things don't work out so well. Not always, but often.
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Not trying to be a jerk here.. but why is your generalization about gender roles valid while everyone else's generalizations about marrying young are invalid? I'm a woman who doesn't believe in traditional "gender roles" and is married to a man with the same values. We enjoy a great marriage.

Where you and I agree, though, is what you said about Kate's treatment of Jon. My husband and I do not belittle, slap, or emotionally abuse each other. I think this is a more accurate indicator of our success than hard-and-fast gender roles like who does the laundry and who brings home the financial bacon. I wish that Jon and Kate could have worked TOGETHER toward a healthy, peaceful relationship. It was within both of their grasps.

Bitters said...

Let me be silent in tact for a minute while you fill in the gaps Kate. Gaps filled with inpatient hate and contempt unbecoming of a wife. If I argue you verbally assault and the circle continues. My silence brings out your expectations and character Kate, you don’t know how to be silent in rage or bite your tongue out of respect. Sorry Jon was the better for being silent during your outrages and snarking.

Kate, after ten years of your lack of awareness to see the reflection of your words to Jon maybe you never learned to share or respect others.

Kate your antisocial in your little advertising world.

I wanted to believe Kate was innocent but when she filed for divorce not based on Jon's adultry but differences there is no doubt now. To doubt your adultry Kate is to doubt Jon and your inlaws.
There was adequate evident of Jon's activities.

Move on, may your kids not know the failure of marriage when their adults.

Communication is 80 percent listening and 20 percent talking.

Pauper Princess said...

NJMom said...

"If he could not respect his wife, he should have at least respected his children. He should be ashamed and embarrassed of himself as he now tries to find himself. I can not see how anyone can justify or condone his actions, there are no excuses for his behavior.

7/13/2009 3:43 PM"
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Huh? I must've missed something. He dating someone else is not respecting his kids? He went on 40 talk shows and cut her down, did he? I must've missed that.

I am one of the ones who always sticks up for Jon. Is he perfect? No way. However, he has been, IMO, a LOT more respectful of her than she was of him.

She deserves what she gets - and respect is not on that list.

Natalie said...

I've watched this show for a long time and cannot believe the way she constantly belittled and mocked her husband.

I'm a newly-wed, so maybe I don't know much about these things, but any time my husband stumbles over words, or doesn't use the right adjective, or does something that might be slightly embarassing in public, I usually make a supportive comment showing those around me that I know exactly what he means and try to smooth over any "uncomfortable-ness" he might feel at that time.

I can't believe how this woman not only exagerates any mistake her husband might make but goes OUT OF HER WAY to show those around her (as well as the rest of America watching at home!) what a moron she thinks her husband is.

Prime example, when they were doing the photoshoot at Beth and Bob's house and the kids clothes had been put away upstairs. She just rolled her eyes and complained to all around her about how ridiculous it was for her husband to do such a thing. (Meanwhile it was Bob who suggested he put the clothes up there, so in the process not only was she insulting her husband but Bob as well.)

thomas's mom said...

I have been a reader for a long time and have never posted until now.

My husband was married for 20 years to an emotionally abusive woman. He gave and gave and then she cheated on him and requested an open marriage with him being the provider and her being the taker. He gave 20 years to this woman, very similar to KHATE. When he and I watched this show together a few times his first statement was, that was my prior marriage, the constant berating, the constant nagging and more. I finally understood what his past had been like.

We have been married for 4 years and have a beautiful little boy and couldn't be happier. It's called respect of one another and honestly he is truly the love of my life. He now understands what a positive healthy relationship is and he is still a giver, however we both give 100% to each other and our family.

The reason for this story is that his daughters have picked up many of the traits of their mother, it is so sad to see them berate their significant others and my husband has pointed it out to them, explaining that they need to look at the situation and watch J&K as this is how they treat their spouses. One of his daughters sees what she is doing and is changing how she acts, the other is always the victim. She and her mother are BPD, and I would assume that if you look at BPD, KHATE would have many of the traits associated with BPD.

I understand where Jon is at with his life and instead of bashing him I think it's great that he is being honest and he is moving on. He deserves to move on and find someone that isn't yelling at him and listens to what he has to say. I wish him all the best. I hope Kate gets counseling and works on her issues that the world sees. My biggest wish is that 8 beautiful children are also able to get counseling to help them understand the situation they are part of as well as help them better understand their needs. Let's hope that their lives will no longer be public and they can enjoy being children.

GAmom said...

Not trying to be a jerk here.. but why is your generalization about gender roles valid while everyone else's generalizations about marrying young are invalid? I'm a woman who doesn't believe in traditional "gender roles" and is married to a man with the same values. We enjoy a great marriage.
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To clarify, my statements about being married young were to make the point that Jon should not be getting a pass for his behavior; not at all a generalization about or endorsement of young marriage. You will note that later in the post, I quote an article that says that young marriages have higher divorce rates.

IMO, the major downfall was Jon staying at home and Kate's constant BS, not necessarily that he married young and is acting out because of it.

Um... said...

MelissaLG said... I am telling you from experience, it takes a seriously grounded, mature person to tolerate someone like Kate and remain. How can you honestly say he stayed with her for any reason other than those children? Seriously? On what do you base this? I have NEVER seen him act as harshly and as insensitively as Kate does around those darlings -- and yet Jon is labeled the immature one? The one that shirk responsibility? If he were female would you say that? Doubt it.

7/14/2009 3:40 PM

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Now, that's not fair... I would certainly say that if he was female. I am NOT defending Kate. I am addressing Jon's immaturity regarding his KIDS. Jon needs to step up to the plate to provide for his children's welfare. They deserve at least one stable parent; and if Kate's not up to the job, he needs to be.

I am a lot like Jon in some ways. I am relaxed, patient, quiet, I put up with a lot, etc. But one big difference is I would NEVER exploit my children. I love kids so much that if anyone told me I was not providing well for them, I would feel insanely guilty, and do whatever I could to provide for them as they deserve. Maybe that's why I'm so annoyed with him. How can he just stand there, and let his kids be exploited? How can he allow there most private moments to be filmed without making any kind of fuss?

The main thing I have a problem with, regarding Jon, is that when he wants out of the show; he gets it, more or less. But his kids have shown signs of wanting out, and he's done nothing about it, as far as everyone can tell. He even has said that his kids aren't being exploited by this show, and that those who say so don't even know what exploited means.

It's obvious he's immature. Comments he's made from the show prve that. He's not evil, by any stretch, and I'm not comparing him to Kate. Kate's her own beast. I just want people to understand that he is just as bad in some ways. If he had his kids best interests in mind, he'd open up his eyes to the damage this show is causing them, and try to get them out of it.

Once again, I'm not defending Kate. She doesn't need my pity either. She's worse than Jon in some ways, and I know that. But Jon is quite a character too.

Maybe Jodi and Kevin should get custody of the kids. xD

Andrea Murdock said...

It was mentioned that Kate never got CAUGHT with Steve other then Mady and the DJ. Want to know why?
Because shes a BIG SNEAK. Always HAS been. A very CAREFUL SNEAK.

__________________________
Kate was truthful when she said she didn't have an affair with Steve. Yes it WASN'T Steve BUT it was someone.

The truth is coming out very soon! :)

Jamie said...

If every time you said something, someone cut you off, yelled at you, made fun of you, twisted your words, etc., how long would you be able to sit silently by?


I wouldn't. I'd have put her in her place the first time, and if it happened again, I'd move out. I'm amazed at how many think Jon deserves a pass in all of this. If he wasn't happy he should have divorced her a long time ago, and if the marriage contract thing is true, he went along with it for the sake of money, so he's just as guilty as she is, imo.

Shirin said...

"It was mentioned that Kate never got CAUGHT with Steve other then Mady and the DJ. Want to know why?
Because shes a BIG SNEAK. Always HAS been. A very CAREFUL SNEAK.
"

If she were such a very careful sneak, she wouldn't have allowed herself to be observed holding hands with that guy in some hotel. Sorry, but the big sneak theory just doesn't work.

HW said...

sahm NOT slacker said...
If I were a stay at home dad, who, from what we've been shown, was the main hands on caregiver to 8 children, I would be offended that people viewed me as a slacker with no job. Jon was shown waking the children up, dressing them, brushing their teeth, playing with them, taking all on individual outings, bathing them, and putting them to bed. What is it exactly that Kate has ever done in the way of direct contact with these children? I see tons of negatives, but not 1 single positive. I'm not a huge Jon fan right now but geez, give the guy a break for 10 minutes. I live in the real world and don't know too many dads that have been this involved with their children, much less 8 of them. Let the man step out for a few, have a smoke, get it together, then hopefully come back stronger.
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I agree. While Jon's behavior lately is deplorable; I don't see how anybody can say he was not a hands on parent. I don't understand how people can say Kate had to tell him to do everything. She was very open about the fact that she wasn't a morning person and it wasn't going to change any time soon (as she said on one television interview) so Jon got the older girls up and ready for school. He bathed all the children. He went on all the special days - girls and boys. And even when it came time to carry all the little ones to/from the van (i.e. the hotel on the way to Disney) Kate didn't even pick up a child and help carry them. He may not be the better example right now; but up until recently he's been the better parent.
Now the kids don't seem to stand a chance.

Jenny said...

TLC President talks about Jon and Kate and how the show is not ending:

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/TLC-president-talks-about-jon-kate/

She sure sounds like a real winner! I don't know what kind of idiot would keep this train wreck going...

no more! said...

Andrea Murdock said...
It was mentioned that Kate never got CAUGHT with Steve other then Mady and the DJ. Want to know why?
Because shes a BIG SNEAK. Always HAS been. A very CAREFUL SNEAK.

__________________________
Kate was truthful when she said she didn't have an affair with Steve. Yes it WASN'T Steve BUT it was someone.

The truth is coming out very soon! :)

^^^^^^^^
oh really? well this can't possibly get much uglier or worse for the children so i sincerely hope that you are wrong...if not, i'd love a little more info if possible please

can said...

When Kate was holding Steve's hand in the parking lot, it was late at night and she didn't think anyone was around. Do you think she'd ever do that in public... of course not. Like I said a big sneak.

iseestupid said...

I get tired of lopsided "journalism." If Kate is "forced" out of the house when it's Jon's turn with the kids then Jon is forced out when it's Kate's time. Nope not buying some poor pitiful Kate trash and nonsense. She was "the driving force" and a "strong woman" for ten years well live up to it now honey when you crashed the house on your head with your willful ways.

Can't tell the truth said...

How do WE know that Kate told the truth that she never had an affair with Steve. She's lied about every other thing in her life, so why not that. Plus, she NEVER denied it, all she said was that she was appalled, its unthinkable, etc., not, no I did not.
So to make the statement that I've seen by some, saying that Kate is "truthful"???
I almost fell of the chair. How does anyone know? With her history of lies, its just another one. I just do not believe one word she says.

KatyMaxinePitiesKatieIrene said...

no more! said...
Andrea Murdock said...
It was mentioned that Kate never got CAUGHT with Steve other then Mady and the DJ. Want to know why?
Because shes a BIG SNEAK. Always HAS been. A very CAREFUL SNEAK.

__________________________
Kate was truthful when she said she didn't have an affair with Steve. Yes it WASN'T Steve BUT it was someone.

The truth is coming out very soon! :)

^^^^^^^^
oh really? well this can't possibly get much uglier or worse for the children so i sincerely hope that you are wrong...if not, i'd love a little more info if possible please

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Ok...I'm guessing the only person left in the picture...

CARLA! :)

Just Julie said...

If I remember correctly, Kate said she was disgusted, appalled, blah blah balh, by the accusations, not by Steve or that matter, not by the idea of taking a lover.

She's just disgusted that it's in the news cause it might spoil her super-mom image.

booyah said...

When Jon was called on the carpet regarding his 'affair' with Deanna his response was ' I did NOT cheat on Kate'. When the tabloids accused Kate of having an affair with her 'body gaurd' Steve, Kate's response was that SHE was appauled and digusted at the ACCUSATION but in no words did she DENY the AFFAIR or support her 'cause' by saying 'I did not cheat on Jon'.

Dallas said...

My question for Kate has always been: if he's such a loser that you had to tell him how to talk, how to walk, how to breathe, what to wear, what to eat and how to act, why did you marry him?

More importantly why did you have EIGHT CHILDREN with the man?

I mean, really, anyone who tries to justify Kate's behavior needs to ask themselves how they would like being at the receiving end of it, day after day, for years. I'll tell you this much: Jon has far more patience than I've ever possessed because I would have gone OFF on her a long time ago and it would have been ugly.

In my marriage, there are two ADULTS. Not one adult and one baby. Two adults. Therefore we're both worthy of being treated with respect. We both stand up for ourselves if the other one forgets and acts ugly, which is rare.

I'm quite sure this wasn't a new thing in their marriage--she was probably like this before they even married. And he put up with it then, too. The old argument of "he knew what he was getting into when he married her" applies to her, as well. She knew what she was getting, too.

They're both immature jerks in their own way, but she is far, far worse than he is. We literally could not watch the show after the first two times we saw it because both my husband and I could feel our blood pressure rising. We wanted Jon to stand up to her, get mad, anything!

Shirin said...

"Kate was holding Steve's hand in the parking lot...Do you think she'd ever do that in public... of course not."

A parking lot is a public place, so obviously she DID do it in public. :o}

just wondering said...

Wolfdreamer said...
I just thought of something. If John relly wants to get vile in the court against Kate all he has to do is use the footage to show the judge what a Loon she is and he could get full custody. Out of the two of them he seems more likely to end the show.

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Jon doesn't want to end the show any more than Kate does. He just didn't want to live over the garage and pretend to be married any more, either.

Jon & Kate will work this show to its last dying breathe. They are both that greedy.

And I don't for a minute think that either one of them wants full custody of the children. If push came to shove I think they would each run screaming from the thought of it.

aquay said...

God bless Jon! I hope he finds happiness. He surely deserves it after ten years married to such a vile shrew. I'm so glad someone put this list together. Kate is such a hypocrite, constantly criticizing Jon for his grammar when she was much worse! And he never made up any words. Plus she was always complaining that he interrupted her, and she rarely let him speak! You can tell he eventually just gave up. He should get a medal for not choking her out. Lord knows I would have.

Emily the Great and Terrible said...

I think the key difference between Jon and Kate is that, while he was occasionally rude to her and the kids, she was rude to pretty much everyone, pretty much all of the time. This suggests that Jon's character flaws were stress-induced, while Kate is just generally a mean bee-yotch.

Krstampr20 said...

As a 43 year old mother and child of divorce I have to speak out on one thing. Having a father who did exactly as Jon is doing now I can speak from the children's view point. I too, was VERY young and this flaunting his girl thing hurts (and I didn't have to see my dad on the cover of every magazine with her either). To this day we still do not a good relationship because of the poor choices he made back then.
So if I could give Jon a piece of advice it would be to just quit flaunting it. It IS hurting them. There is no reason he can't give those kids some time to heal other than his own selfishness. His kids will hate him in end. IS SHE worth it?

Take Paws said...

Anonymomma said...

................

I think Jon is acting out. Rebounding, if you will. He was basically grounded for ten years. What does a 15 year old do who was just allowed off of their grounding? Everything and anything they can think of. Not saying I agree with what he's doing, just stating what I think.

.......................
You got me thinking about a lot of things--

It really seems like Jon is trying to get back to the lifestyle he had before he got married. Over the course of the show we have learned that he played soccer, roller bladed, ice skated, went snowboarding, camping, had two motorcycles, traveled, etc. I always thought on the trip to Utah, he started realizing how much he missed all of those things. Some time later when he was staying home with the kids and Kate was doing book tours etc., he got more and more restless and started going out. Things were really bad by the time they moved to the new house. That's the part of the puzzle that's missing for me--what happened? Was Jon's suspicion of Kate's involvement with her bodyguard true? Weeks/months ago there was talk about Kate and her trainer.

It's all such a sad situation--the parents are floundering. TLC is incredibly greedy and wrong to continue with season 5--Jon and Kate not excluded here.

Last but not least--if the state is investigating whether child labor laws have been broken--where are these people? Why do they seem to be dragging their feet? If it's all about money, then they are no better than TLC and JK.

My heart is with the kids.

Jennifer said...

I do feel bad for Steve and his family if he and Kate never did have an affair! What marriage would be able to have their lives on magazine covers ect. and not have problems. I for one am glad Steve is home with his wife and not with Kate as her bodyguard. I hope TLC gets another bodyguard for her if they continue with the show. I would like the news of who Kate did have an affair with as someone here said they knew and it will be coming out soon.

shilohpeace said...

Hello. It is human nature to judge others. Welcome to Planet Earth. But I just wanted to put into my two cents about Jon. To me, it doesn't matter what Jon does now after the hell that Kate has put him through. John would have had it easier in solitary confinement in a federal prison than he had it for years under Kate's thumb. thing is Kate will now start to control her kids like she did Jon and for that reason alone, I think she should Not be the main custodial parent. She will ruin these children psychologically. Can you imagine her yelling and screaming at Collin and Joel and/or whoever to do this, do that, now.. and making fun of them? Kate has serious problems and should not be alone with those kids.

Jon, truly, should not be parading himself with his chicks because of his kids. But welcome to the world kids. We can't protect them from everything and I would rather see Jon has some sign of life and some sign of happiness and joy then to be walking around slumped shouldered and alone. it is better for his kids if he has some happiness and therefore some energy to give to his kids.

Jon loves his kids. Jon has a right to happiness. This will not last with Hailey Glassman. they are both too young and kind of stupid to realize that, but enjoy what morsels of life you can so you can give your energy to your eight kids. I want people to leave Jon alone. He is trying to stay alive and stay energetic and is trying to find his way after being smushed like a bug for 10 years. Kate deserves to see every picture of Jon with another chick blasted everywhere. Thing is will Kate learn anything from this. My guess is next thing we will see is Kate with her new boobbs hanging out holding hands with somebody. Two very immature people with Kate who think she knows everything - with eight innocent kids. The kids will be fine. Let Jon live. Please don't hate him.

theraininspain said...

I have never been an avid watcher or fan of the J & K + 8 reality show but but from the early episodes to most current that I have seen, I never got the impression that Kate HAD to tell Jon what to DO, but that SHE felt he wasnt doing whatever the task was at hand according to HER standards and specifications. In what I think was a very early episode Kate walks in on Jon as he in the process of a morning routine of changing the tups diapers and getting them ready for breakfast. When Kate enters the room, she immediately questions what he has been doing as it appears to HER that Jon hasnt made any progress. Mind you, Kate never offered Jon a helping hand (team work anyone), but acted as a 'forman' overseeing that a job was being done to HER specifications. Kate blames Jon for his lack of initiative however, IMO Jon has demonstrated time and time again much initiative when it comes to the routine day in and day out routine care giving of his children. Sorry, Im just not buying Kate's speal, ten years in to the marriage and some eight children later that the PROBLEM is Jon and his lack of initiative and having to be told what to do.

TandLMommy28 said...

I totally have to defend Jon on telling the kids to be quiet when he was backing the van and trailer up. My husband is the most peaceful, kind and gentle person in the world. But when he has to back up a big vehicle with a trailer (a few times a year), he gets VERY tense. It takes a lot of concentration, especially if you aren't used to it. Even a small distraction like a kid talking to you can make you lose focus and back into a tree.

The difference, I think, is that just about all of Jon's examples of bad talk were reactions to bad situations (being beat down by Kate, stressful moments, etc)...

Kate, on the other hand, opens her big fat ugly mouth and CREATES stressful situations with the ugly words that she uses.

RuthinVA said...

No matter who did what first, we all have to agree they are both self absorbed individuals that do not consider nor care how their actions affect their children.
If they would consider their actions, they would not have filmed their children, they would have not filmed their children in very private situations, they would not have continued filming, they would not revealed their separation for the world to see.
I really wonder if they lay awake at night worrying about the long term effect this will have on their children or if it is just cut and dry for them to justify all they have done. I have a hard time auguring a point about one being better than the other or which one cheated first, I think they are both pretty despicable.
Everything we do from smiling and saying hello to rolling our eyes at someone affects that person. With that being said the only justification I have for Jon and Kate is that money is the most important outcome and everything else in their mind is a moot point. They both live in the now they do not think of the future. I hope once they get older and hopefully a little wiser that old adage "if I only knew now" will be bouncing around in their heads a lot but maybe not 'cause with these two sometimes I think you need to drill a hole in their heads and pour it in, maybe then they would get it or maybe not.

All part of the plan... said...

Dallas said...

My question for Kate has always been: if he's such a loser that you had to tell him how to talk, how to walk, how to breathe, what to wear, what to eat and how to act, why did you marry him?

More importantly why did you have EIGHT CHILDREN with the man?

***

I honestly and truly believe that Kate chose Jon because he's a pushover. She wanted multiples, that much I am sure of. It was not an accident. A man who could stand up to her and say that he wanted and stick to it would never have gone along with a second round of fertility treatments (Jon repeatedly said he loved his family of four and never wanted more). Kate needed a guy who would say whatever and go along with his grand plan.

dhwh1993 said...

"Ohio Buckeye said...
If the male/husband in a televised relationship displayed the exact same behavior as we are shown weekly via the character of Kate, we'd all say in feminine unison that this male/husband is verbally and emotionally abusive. We'd be collectively upset (and rightfully so) that this kind of spousal abuse is shown on TV muchless portrayed as a 'close knit family', thereby promoting the concept that abuse is part of a 'normal' and 'happy' family.....Bottom line is that, IMO, passing off the behavior we have seen on this show as normal, even endearing, teaches that we should all lower our acuity in recognizing abuse when we see it. This is not a good trend and we should speak out against it."

WELL SAID!!! I had intended to comment, but in no way could I have expressed it better. Your post was long, so I abbreviated, but still wanted to say "applause applause."

NewWester said...

I have been reading the posts about how Kate and Jon treat each other and I had to make a few observations.
When a "reality show" is filmed there are many hours that end up on the editing room floor because for any number of reasons .But the number one reason a scene is not shown is because it was deemed "boring" or " no conflict/drama"
When Jon & Kate plus Eight first started we saw some conflict and disagreements but it was comparable to what most couples with young children can relate to.The ratings were average.
As soon as Kate started to get nasty and Jon seemed to appear lazy or passive aggressive the ratings started to rise until today we have this media monster. Lets face facts would we have this blog if Jon and Kate acted like "Mike and Carol Brady from the Brady Bunch"? Would the tabloids be as interested and would the advertisers be in such a rush to have their products showcased on the show?
Jon and Kate know exactly what they are doing and loving every moment of it. You think they care what other people think when they sit down and look at their bank balances and all the perks the show has provided. The producers and TLC must be paying KON a pretty penny in order for them to show the world how to be mean and disrespectful to your spouse in front of their children.
If KON really love their children they would look at what happens to children that had a terrible childhood because of being in the media spotlight and having bad role models as parents.
The tabloids the past few weeks have had a good example of what can happen when a child is pushed too much and does not get the love they really need from a parent

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Another famous jab from the great wife:
At Sesame Street Place, when putting the wet kids back in their strollers, Jon had not folded the towel the "right" way. Kate says: "There is a really good way to do this and a really bad way..." Her inability to accept anything he does without critisism just galls me and it's a wonder he didn't rebel earlier. Go Jon!

Charlie Rose said...

And I don't for a minute think that either one of them wants full custody of the children. If push came to shove I think they would each run screaming from the thought of it.

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Oh Kate would want to keep the kids ONLY if it benefitted her "career." If she could sell books and tour all over the world as the GREATEST Single Mom of all times, then she would fight for those kids in a heart beat.

Neither one of them TRULY love those children. If they did, they would have been out of the public eye a long time ago!

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