Matt Lauer Speaks Out On Today Show

The video is here.

152 comments:

nanb said...

I justed posted a question on the free discussion before I saw this.

Paul Peterson is working with industry insider who reported the show and the industry insider is not involved in the production and is not related to the Gosselins. Could it be Beth Carson? Anyone else have any ideas who could have reported them?

RememberMe said...

Thank you Matt Lauer. Focusing on the right issues.

Crystal said...

Possibly, or it could be one of the many "not-nannies", cleaning crews, that worked for them during the show.

BarbMae said...

It doesn't matter to me who reported them just that they were reported. Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Wow! Bravo also to Matt Lauer and his comments, which are what we have been commenting all this time on this site. I guess Kate won't be asked to the Today show in the near future. The psychologist brought up very valid points, with a little dig to Katie Irene in regards to book tours, public appearances, etc. since Kate is the only one doing these, that she should be home with the children. Now who would of thunk it? Kate having to be home w/the kids who aren't babies anymore and just are exploited commodities to her. This is the beginning of the end... I can feel it.

NDmom said...

Too bad the media didn't jump on this story sooner, before so much damage was done. Maybe/possibly Jon & Kate would have chosen to put a stop to this lunacy when the kids were younger, while there was more time left for them to savor their childhoods, and before Jon & Kate's marriage was destroyed.

BarbMae said...

Oh and I am going to get on the Today website and leave a comment on Matt Lauer's piece with all my praises.

Shari said...

Too little too late. The Today Show is one of the many venues that played a part in exploiting the kids by kissing Kate's butt in the past. (ie; having her on to show us how to cook on a budget by making meatloaf sandwiches? Give me a break.)

PhillyHockeyMom said...

Loving me some Matt! He put it out there he is not happy with the situation and no sugar coating needed!

I wonder who the insider is? Could it be Jen Stocks the former producer? How about camera/sound people who were on the "set" with them?

Thanks also to Paul Peterson who is staying on this like and raising important concerns. Would love to see how much the kids have set aside for the future with Jon and Kate spending wildly.

dhatcher100 said...

could someone recap what Matt Lauer said on this video? I dont have speakers and would love to know ... thanks

just wondering said...

So happy that some focus was placed on the developing personalities of the children, although it is too little and too late.

A child is who he is going to be by the age of six. Their identities are already in place.

Lost in Translation...changed to Save the Gosselin Kids!!!! said...

Thank you, Today show, for making others realize what's going on.
Very fair. Very sad.
All I would have to see is "%%% Reality Nightmare.
I would stop everything. STOP IT KATE. Your hurting your children.
hey Kate, put all the money in the bank for the kids. you've forgotten that without them, you'd be not have a show.
KUDOS MATT!!!!

Txmomof4 said...

I thought it was a great segment! I know some people have said that it was "too little too late", but I have to say Better late than never.

Stop kissing katie's arse said...

Wow, that hit the nail right square on the head! NO sugar coating at all. So much for all the Katie Irene brown-nosing and free pass she's been given by the press all along!

practicaleclecticism said...

I like how Matt Lauer blatantly said the ways in which he disagreed with the show. Finally!
Now, where are some others who will do the same?

SAVE THE GOSSELIN KIDS!! said...

Also, as a mother of Twins, it is horrible that these kids aren't in softball, soccer, etc. They have no individualism. Even as mine turn 13, I constantly look for ways for each to gain self esteem on their own. And, I did not dress them alike, past a few pics, past age 3.

In fact, why are all the shows about Kate, instead of baseball games, etc.??

How about this for normal, two parents that WORK, and you kids have the luxury of good nannies....
THESE KIDS ARE NOT LEARNING SIMPLE PRESCHOOL SKILLS.

1 PARENT AT HOME, IF ANY? DOES THAT NOT WORRY MOST OF US IF IT'S ONLY ONE CHILD?????

OMG, TODAY SHOW, PLEASE KEEP SHOWING AMERICA THESE KIDS NEED HELP.
AND, SHOW THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAVINGS ACCT.'S EVEN NADYIA HAS SET UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Paige said...

OH SNAP. Matt Lauer just got real with you, Kon.

I wonder if future episodes will have to be "fixed" like the season premiere to keep up with all the media attention. They may have to if the negativity gets on a roll.

Mel said...

Matt Lauer gets it. He is a regular guy with three kids of his own (whom he has kept out of the limelight). As a father, husband, hard-working news host, he sees what everyone should see - this lifestyle if harmful to these kids. TLC and Figure 8 should be held accountable for what they've done - obviously Kate and Jon will not do what's right for the kids.

inksmudge said...

Bravo, Matt Lauer and Today Show! Finally, the real issues are getting out there in the mainstream media. I finally am starting to think that maybe, just maybe, these kids will be rescued.

MKH's Mommy said...

Halle-frickin-lujah! It's about time people other than GWOP have gotten wise to this mess. Hopefully the JK&8 freak show will all be over soon...maybe then the kids can discover what normal life is. I've always been bothered by Kate's remarks that "this is OK for the kids because it's their normal and they don't know any different". Perhaps factual, but it doesn't make it RIGHT! What about the child growing up in an abusive home? Is that only wrong if the abuse/neglect begins after they're old enough to remember life prior?? Crazy logic, Kate--wake up and do the right thing for your family, please!

Cherier1 said...

dhatcher100 said...
could someone recap what Matt Lauer said on this video? I dont have speakers and would love to know ... thanks

6/02/2009 11:04 AM

Ditto that. I had to start the computer in safe mode and have no sound!

ImFrancie said...

I'm glad that Matt Lauer is asking the hard questions that need to be asked, and I respectfully disagree with the "too little, too late" comments.

I do not believe children are locked into their identities by age 5 or 6. I believe a person's identity is a combination of inborn traits and a person's experiences, but mostly the latter. It's most unfortunate when I hear parents talk about a child as having a pre-determined personality, especially when they are calling attention to negative behavior. The child begins to believe what is said and that becomes his or her "story" of who he or she is. People can and do change because they grow and incorporate other, hopefully positive, experiences in their perception of who they are.

Right now, however, the Gosselin children are living in a very artifical and unstable environment which needs above all to change for their emotional health. These children will be marked forever by having participated in this show, yes, but it will not be the only thing that defines them. Only time will tell who among them will be survivors (and do just fine in the world) and who will embrace the role of victim.

thisshowissad said...

I knew I liked Matt Lauer

emptynester said...

I hope people like Matt Lauer and other respected journalists continue to keep the heat on. I think the recent onslaught of bikini pics of Kate are a PR stunt to deflect from the real issues at hand. Somehow we need to keep the exploitation claims and child labor investigation in the forefront.

RuthinVA said...

I think Kate can kiss all of her morning show appearances good bye, no matter what the network. I really believe she has to be feeling a little "put upon" right now. I don't think she will ever admit to doing anything wrong. She is now the infamous Kate Gosselin. With all the media especially the big networks joining in on the issue of the children her popularity will decline. No more family magazine articles. No more daytime TV show. Soon no one but TLC will touch her with a ten foot pole. Hopefully, this will help ground her and maybe she will realize what is important in life.

avasmommy said...

It's about darn time. Sure it should've happened a long time ago but who cares when it happened. We should all just be glad that people are finally thinknig of the kids!

Sorry said...

Actually clinical research indicates that children's identies are locked in by the age of 5. So Matt and the psychiatrist are spot on. After that you can continue to mold and influence, but that's it.

jill said...

YES!!!!!

wendyzr said...

BarbMae said...

The psychologist brought up very valid points, with a little dig to Katie Irene in regards to book tours, public appearances, etc. since Kate is the only one doing these, that she should be home with the children. Now who would of thunk it? Kate having to be home w/the kids who aren't babies anymore and just are exploited commodities to her. This is the beginning of the end... I can feel it.

I am so glad she said that. but if Kate can't even be available ON THE PHONE while she is out of town when her kids need her attention, why would we think she would stop these tours since her kids do need her during this time of crisis? And it is a time of crisis when parents are separated. More than ever they need both of them around to assure them they will be there always and not have any big changes in their lives.

Kate does not have to do these tours. She has the income from what sales she has and the show. She is just trying to find an excuse to stay away from home.

She is burned out as a mother, that simple.

LovinMyRugrats said...

Yay, Matt.

Shari, I totally understand your sentiment (too little, too late). And you're right - they were among the most egregious mainstream media blindly feeding the Gosselin Greed Machine.

At the same time, I'm soooo relieved that almost EVERYBODY seems to have caught on to the scam.

Just hope it all leads to the show ending, and the kids settling into a reasonably peaceful and normal childhood.

Yay, GWoP, too!

organizedblogroll said...

It's too bad it took marital discord to bring the children's plight to the attention of the authorities.

Where were the agencies who protect children all these years? IN front of their TV's on Monday??

Hambone said...

Cherier1 said...
dhatcher100 said...
could someone recap what Matt Lauer said on this video? I dont have speakers and would love to know ... thanks

6/02/2009 11:04 AM

Ditto that. I had to start the computer in safe mode and have no sound!

6/02/2009 11:42 AM



He personally thinks the kids are being harmed, and he said the excuse that they've had cameras in their faces all their lives and it's all they know doesn't cut it with him. The psychologist agreed and went into how this can be a long term problem in the future with the kids resenting their parents and how right now they can't be themselves and just be who they are without having to think about the camera in their face.

I think Matt knows that if this show goes on and no violations are being committed, that Octomom's agenda is paved free and clear. He didn't say that, but I know he loathes Nadya Sulemon and can see where she got this hairbrained "make money off your kids" idea from.

just wondering said...

ImFrancie said...
I'm glad that Matt Lauer is asking the hard questions that need to be asked, and I respectfully disagree with the "too little, too late" comments.

I do not believe children are locked into their identities by age 5 or 6. I believe a person's identity is a combination of inborn traits and a person's experiences, but mostly the latter. It's most unfortunate when I hear parents talk about a child as having a pre-determined personality, especially when they are calling attention to negative behavior. The child begins to believe what is said and that becomes his or her "story" of who he or she is. People can and do change because they grow and incorporate other, hopefully positive, experiences in their perception of who they are.


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I have an MSW from Indiana University and have been working with children for the last 32 years.

I was speaking specifically of the Gosselin children; children with a narcissistic mother. Children of such have 3 choices. They can identify, rebel, or comply. All in varying degrees, and it's extremely complicated, but the decision, for the most part, is made by the age of six.

Some of these children will identify with Kate - model her, identify with her, BE like her.

Some of the children will become compliant - "people pleasers" for lack of a better term. They will strive to keep the peace no matter what. Passive aggression is an intertwined area here.

Some of the children will become rebels - defiant and oppositional.

Some of the children are already displaying these traits. That's what I was trying to explain without going into pages and pages of psycho babble.

Merrilee said...

nanb said...
I justed posted a question on the free discussion before I saw this.

Paul Peterson is working with industry insider who reported the show and the industry insider is not involved in the production and is not related to the Gosselins. Could it be Beth Carson? Anyone else have any ideas who could have reported them?

6/02/2009 10:40 AM
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I wonder if it is someone who posts on this board. There is information here that is quite amazingly on point.

Whoever, thank goodness!!

Aunty Anne said...

Oh, lets all hope that Oprah, Dr Phil, Larry King, Rachel Ray, Martha Stewart and any other show that has had her on can finally see what Matt Lauer sees.

Could it possibly mean that the show may just drop off the planet?

I haven't been optimistic before. Now I may be leaning towards the big fizzle.

emptynester said...

Even though mainstream media might have bought into Kon's original scam, it is nice to see that most of them are now doing the right thing by exposing them for what they really are. I agree with the PP that Kate's morning show appearances and family magazine gigs are now off the radar. Her image is severely tarnished and it would take a miracle worker to resurrect it. Dreams of a talk show or branding? I think NOT.

4theChildren said...

This was excellent!!!

However, Matt asked the child expert "What can the producers of the show do, what can the parents do?"

When the question should be extended to EVERYBODY

(since it is p-a-i-n-f-u-l-l-y clear that the producers and parents KNOW what to do for the children but REFUSE to, as evidenced by their continued FORCED CHILD LABOR we're all seeing with current pictures of the "show must go on mentality - to H*ll with the children")

Viewers can NOT watch the show, or the network, BOYCOTT all products and sponsors associated with the show and The Today show and all those other programs can STOP INTERVIEWING THE CHILDREN and helping to promote the show and books and the ongoing invasion of privacy.

I hope Matt Lauer puts his money where his mouth is -- and refuses to help sell that woman's FAKE products anymore.

Exhausted said...

I think now that it will be very tough for Kate to go on any interview without being asked these hard-hitting questions. The journalists were very slow to see this point of view, but now she will not be able to squeak through with her PR (public relations) memorized lines and psychotic smile. Keep it coming!

4theChildren said...

nanb - my guess is Jodi and Kevin.

(some of the quotes you hear from "insiders" and "reliable sources" sound exactly like what Kevin and Jodi have stated publicly)

4theChildren said...

Shari - I posted before reading your post.

I agree with you wholeheartedly!
It is so gratifying to see complete strangers (you and I and others) have the same mindset in our hearts.

Sometimes you think it's incredible people can't really see what's going on, and then see people like you with the exact thoughts you're having and know that we can help and make a difference!!

For those writing in their praises to The Today Show and Matt, please remember to tell him that HE, TOO and NBC, TOO can help -- stop interviewing the children and perpetrating the exploitation.
Stop helping to promote the seasons and books that invade their privacy.

Thank You!

Stop Exploitation said...

Does everyone else notice that after the Gosselin story, it was immediately followed by the one of Susan Boyle - hospitalized for "exhaustion" because of the media attention and lack of privacy now that she's made the conscious choice to be in front of the cameras?

And just after Jon Gosselin whines to the camera about how lovely it is to "just be myself" and "get away from reality and tv".

These are two grown adults who made conscious decisions and are having to have "get-a-ways" and hospitalizations!!

Again - I ask -- WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It just makes my blood boil to no end!!!!!!!!!

(ps...i feel so sorry for susan - and hope she pulls through. such a charming and talented lady!) :)

Leslie said...

Wendy - Kate's agenda is more diabolical than most of us can even imagine.

tlc is trying to stretch out the season as long as possible to help launch kate's new career as a self- appointed maven of all the three "c's" - crafts, cooking and children's clothing.

They're working on her hosting a tv talk show where they take existing recipes and crafts already in their stockpile and available on their websites (ie: "How Stuff Works" - Discovery website) and pretend that Kate dreamed up all these great kids crafts and recipes.

They had kate making a child's sailboat and ice cream in a plastic bag on Rachel Ray - both items found on the Discovery Channel's website.

But, they want YOU to think Kate dreamed all this up and YOU to shell out your own money to pay for it, so she can shop at Ann Taylor and take trips to private spas in California and the beaches of Hawaii and North Carolina!!

Which, despite her wretched child exploitation and child abuse all these years, some people probably will!

Sidney said...

I wrote Matt Lauer a letter of thanks and received the info below:

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Sulmith said...

Innocent children are involved.

It's NEVER too late.

Enuf Already said...

Kate being photographed in her bikini just makes her look like even more of a fame whore. Instead of getting her children OFF of TV and away from the cameras, she is not only parading her children in front of the cameras, she is parading around in her skivvies. She is bringing herself down.

Email for Today Show said...

EMAIL:

TODAY@nbcuni.com

Let's flood their INBOX!

Please write The Today Show and Matt Lauer and thank them for the coverage, but also encourage them NOT to continue to promote the show if they truly believe that it is, indeed, child forced labor and child exploitation.

STOP PROMOTING THE SHOW!
(that means NO child interviews and NO interviews with Kate while on her book tours promoting pictures of the chidren - which is an invasion of their privacy)

just wondering said...

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7718273


ABC newsclip..

just wondering said...

They're working on her hosting a tv talk show where they take existing recipes and crafts already in their stockpile and available on their websites (ie: "How Stuff Works" - Discovery website) and pretend that Kate dreamed up all these great kids crafts and recipes.

They had kate making a child's sailboat and ice cream in a plastic bag on Rachel Ray - both items found on the Discovery Channel's website.

***********************************

Someone needs to print those pages out and keep them before they delete that site!

lindahoyt said...

Just......wow! I am so pleased. This is exactly the type of report that should have happened long ago. Instead, the "Today Show" did no independent research and promoted the Gosselins by having them on the show.

Wasn't the Gosselin's last appearance when Kate pinched Alexis' shoulder? I wonder how long those kids sat there and did interviews that day? I think they did several shows by satlillite.

lindahoyt said...

Matt did an excellent job.

And bravo to Paul Peterson!! There is a man to be admired...he is a true hero!

Tick Tock said...

Since all of the media outlets are dissing on the Gosselins now, who will have Kate on to promote her (UGH) new cookbook this fall???? Time will tell.

lindahoyt said...

Maybe the "industry insider" is the casting agent that the Gosselins took the twin to? She knows the laws, knows how the kids are treated "on set" and seemed like a tough cookie!

Whoever did this...they deserve a medal!

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Actually I think things were falling apart a long time ago. Between Kate and TLC they've tried to glue back the pieces - however - I think Humpty dumpty fell into a million pieces. And they can't function for all the little "fires" they are now having to put out daily. They can't keep up.

It's been a slow burn for me - but I think the fine deciding factor for me was the episode after they had moved into the new mansion. Kate is standing in the kitchen looking out the window and there was this serene/eery silence and then she claims "this is mine - AAAAALLL MINE"

Never "ours" - or a sigh of relief/content that finally her family has a home they can be in forever - land to room and be free. Nope - it was only HERS.....spoke volumes to me

my9cats said...

Wasn't it just last summer that Kate was walking on the beach in NC in a modest (read good Christion woman) bathing suit, screaming about the water and sand?
Now this year she is a Bo Derrick wannabe?
Trust me Kate, you're no 10.

Merry/OCNJ said...

I've asked this before.Why are the twins not in school,but down in NC ?Is it not exam week? Does their school now give them special consideration? Can they come and go as mama pleases?

Jana said...

That was a very powerful segment and you know that it reached into millions of households today. Matt Lauer covered the topic thoughtfully, calmly, and logically. I don't know who the woman was (a child psychologist?), but she also addressed some specific concerns about how the children are being affected by being filmed their entire lives.

I really loved it when Matt asked, "but what about those who say that this is normal since it's all they've ever known?" and the psychologist's response that it's not healthy! I loved it!! I get so tired of that lame excuse from the sheeple.

Paul Peterson spoke to another critical point -- contracts should be negotiated on behalf of each child, money should be put into trust for them, safeguards put into place with reasonable restrictions on their working hours, etc.

At the end, the woman said, "you may not be able to get out of the contract but you can cut back. No more book signings or giving speeches. Be at home with your kids because they need you." Oh snap! Yes she did! Kate is going to need a freebie dental visit because I'm sure she ground her teeth down to the nubs!

The drum beat is getting louder people -- how much longer can it be ignored by Kate and TLC? It's like the Wizard of Oz, someone pulled down the curtain and revealed the truth.

lindahoyt said...

Save the Gosselin Kids:

You are right. Why couldn't Jon be a soccer coach? His Dad was, while he was growing up. And they were winners too! This is a way Jon could put a little more meaning into his life, and be with his kids at the same time. He knows how important sports are to kids.

All his kids could be a team!

My husband made one rule, and he largely left the raising of the kids decisions up to me; but he did insist on one thing: they had to do a sport. They could pick the sport, but they had to do one.

My son had NO talent...and he wanted to quit his chosen sport. My husband and I got in HUGE fights over this..(away from my children, who didn't know) My son had learning disabilities and was very small, and had big ears. He was teased mercilessly all his school years. So, I didn't feel that he should have to suffer ANOTHER defeat..have another thing that he failed to accomplish. I finally wore my husband down.

The kicker is, that my 24 year old son said to me, that he wished that we would have MADE him stay in the sport!!

I just don't understand why the Gosselins do not participate in any sports. Their cousins do. Probably ruin their clothes...

Or could it be that it would have interferred with their job?

Jana said...

Shari said...

Too little too late. The Today Show is one of the many venues that played a part in exploiting the kids by kissing Kate's butt in the past. (ie; having her on to show us how to cook on a budget by making meatloaf sandwiches? Give me a break.)
===========================

No, never too late. The Today Show has a huge audience -- these wise words reached millions today. I'm not concerned with what Today Show might have done in the past, since today they did the right thing, and did it forcefully.

Cherier1 said...

Thanks for the recap Hambone!

She's a fame wh*re, admit it said...

Enuf Already said...
Kate being photographed in her bikini just makes her look like even more of a fame whore. Instead of getting her children OFF of TV and away from the cameras, she is not only parading her children in front of the cameras, she is parading around in her skivvies. She is bringing herself down

Katie Irene is quickly becoming a caricature of herself, right down to the fake laugh. It reminds me of when a once popular sitcom is getting played out and stale and the characters become a little too over the top. It at that time you know that this show needs to be cancelled, they are out of fresh material.

That is how it feels with Jon and Kate's show (child exploitation aside), this show has run its course. What else is there to do? No one is interested in free trips to spas, and around the globe. Hence we get bikini shots.

I really think Kate is delusional. People tune in for the kids all along, not her. They are the stars. I always figured they would go the way of the Olsens. End the show, do some direct to DVD kiddie videos, books, clothing line and rake in the big bucks. The whole issue here is Kate is a FAME WHORE. She wants it to be all about her and can't keep her mug out of the tabloids. She is loving every minute of it. I am sure she is staging this all herself.

If she had really wanted to be a domestic diva with her own show, she would have ended this her marriage hit the rocks and come back in the future with a solo project if the interest still existed. I am thikning now that she is totally killing her public image and think everyone in the press needs to call her out for this farce and utter charade and what it is doing to the kids.

She is acting crass, shameless and classless.

Get A Clue Kate said...

Kate's image is being affected by her bikini pictures. She even has her entire butt cheeks exposed.... especially in the black one. I wouldn't dress like that when taking my kids to the beach....but I would when my husband & I go alone.

anotherPAmom said...

WAY TO GO MATT!! I loved him asking the tough questions- it was excellent journalism to bring in the information from Paul Petersen and the child psychologist! We can only hope the message gets through to at least one of the Gosselin parents. (My imagination is thinking that that a split screen interview between the psychologist and Kate, set up like MSNBC does two opposing political persons, would be great viewing- much better than TLC!)

imaamy said...

I am by no means a Kate supporter, but as I watch the older episodes, I wonder if anyone who is a parent of one, two, eight or 18 can say they've never spoken to their kids or about their kids the way Kate does, not even once. I know I see myself sometimes when frustrated acting like that. I'm working on it after seeing her, but no one has taped and aired it, thankfully! Now what bothers me is she is living such a high falutin' lifestyle and she isn't so bright. The second time she said jealousness just clinched it for me. Me thinks the spiked hair is letting the brains out.

Jenjoy said...

This video will give a lot of people the great insight GWOP has been trying to get across since the early days.

The kids may "seem" OK, but what about the future? What really bothers me is they Jon and Kate now have had a lot of professionals, psychatrist etc warning them about the impact the cameras are going to have on their children and they still go ahead with the taping. It's very sad, what horrible priorities.

Not_Sure_Where_I_Stand_on_JK+8 said...

I just read an online People story and it has a comment(about the bodyguard) from somebody who saw Kate and Mady on vacation in San Diego. It says... "He really did seem like a protector,” said Huber. “He was definitely doing everything in his power to make sure nobody was bothering her or doing anything she didn’t like around her.”

He was making sure people weren't doing anything she didn't like *around her*. Really?! Is she that much of a diva? Somewhat acceptable coming from Mariah Carey or J.Lo, but Kate Gosselin?!

(I sure hope that meant that he was trying to keep people from being invasive in some way. Or that would be the most ridiculus thing I've heard yet...)

lindahoyt said...

I do not understand why TLC would not promote and pursue Kate's true talents, instead of trying to make her fit into the mould of a super mom and homemaker? Why try to turn her into a people person, when she isn't?

Why isn't she writing books on, and having her own show on "organisation"? Now each of us must admit that in this, she is an expert! That is where she excels! She could have a very successful tv show where she goes into other people's homes and organises their messes..everyone would love her caustic temperament in that circumstance!

She could design and sell home organisation products with her name. She could design things that would make life easier for families with lots of kids...produce a magazine on the same topic...write books on how we all could organise our lives better. Time management....one of my heroes is "Lillian Gilbreth". She authored many books and won awards for time management. She was an educated woman...but she had twelve children, ran her home and her business very successfully.

Kate should have pursued that line, and made the most of her specialty, instead of pretending to be something and someone she isn't. I would respect a move like that; and would be her cheerleader. But, to make her out to be a good mom, clothing designer, author, cook and crafter...is so far out of reality---it is a lying shame!

If only Kate would listen to her husband, and the critisism; and learn something. She could be an honest success.

I would love for Jon to get a ghost writer and tell his life story. I think it would be interesting. I think there are a ton of things he could be doing. He could have some sport teams; he could buy and run a sporting goods store; where his kids could work and learn how to earn money for doing more than being cute.

The world is open to them. They don't need to sell the kids. They can give the kids a pretty normal life, if they only would.

M said...

Granted her body is in good shape (with the help of a plastic surgeon), but is it just me, she has no curves, she has no waistline, her body looks more like a man's except for the fake ta tas!!

Punkinbugg said...

Isn't it ironic how Kate never thought Jon looked nice enough to be on TV? She was always sniping about his looks, and he went along with SOME of her plans, but mostly he was JUST BEIN' A DAD.

She's the one who, through her tanning, toning and streaking, has made a TV FREAK of herself & will be even more vilified by the TV viewers!

HOORAY for LAUER.

He probably met them when they appeared on "Today", and witnessed their vibe backstage. Lots can happen in those green rooms.

Judy41 said...

First of all, I am the biggest Matt Lauer fan. Anyway. . .

I wanted to share something else with everyone. I've been reading this blog forever, though never posted before. My husband and I did a Discovery Health Special about twelve years ago, chronicalling our experience with infertility. We were half of the hour long special -- there was another couple for the other half. For under thirty minutes of the show, we were filmed many, many separate times, often in "set ups" with our doctor or just ourselves, repeating sequences, etc. I think we probably filmed ten hours for that one half hour.

Anyone who thinks those kids aren't working or that the cameras are only on them for very small portions of their days/weeks is really fooling him/herself.

beachluvin said...

Shari said...
Too little too late. The Today Show is one of the many venues that played a part in exploiting the kids by kissing Kate's butt in the past. (ie; having her on to show us how to cook on a budget by making meatloaf sandwiches? Give me a break.)
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I think that was on ABC's Good Morning America where Robin Roberts added that Beth co-authored the book, Multiple Blessings to which Kate replied "yes".

Meredith Viera is Matt Lauer's co-host and she was the one that interviewed Kate. Kate told Meredith that she was dealing with the allegations of Jon having an affair "privately". Two days later, she gave People Magazine an interview and posed for a photo shoot and appeared on the cover of People Magazine under the caption "We might split up".

Matt's own marital problems were played out in the tabloids right before his wife gave birth to his third child. I know that he fought to keep his privacy and would never have given People magazine an interview.

Anyone see Kate's childhood photos on radar online? I know she didn't grow up with much money, but those glasses!!! omg!!!

A Mom-ynous said...

Do you guys reallize you are praising a man who cheated on his wife and is divorcing?

Evidently his family issues weren't important in his own life.

A Mom-ynous said...

"I've asked this before.Why are the twins not in school,but down in NC ?Is it not exam week? Does their school now give them special consideration? Can they come and go as mama pleases?"

I believe that they were there over memorial day and at least where I live down south--school is already out for the summer.

3rd graders don't have final exams.

Their school attendance is between the school and the parents and there are countless Americans who take their children out of school for vacations of 1-2 weeks per year.

Class work can be taken along.

Leslie said...

A Mom-ynous said...

Class work can be taken along.

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Aha! So that was Mady's "homework" and not a TLC script in her hands while on their beach forced child labor trip!
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kate's fake laugh said...

I've been wondering if Jon and Kate are working together. First we see Jon over the week-end, talking to two older mysterious women...that happen to be as he reported to People mag. the wife and daughter of Kate's plastic surgeon and both their friends. Next, we see Kate with obvious bigger breasts and parading around in bikinis. The surgeon gets his name mentioned again, no less in People, Us, RadarOnline and all over the internet. Jon is vilified because he isn't doing anything wrong this time, Kate gets to showcase her new boobs/body. The doctor will get more business. Everyone wins except the kids and Mrs. Gray.
Personally, I think everything is beginning to backfire on Kate. If she cannot see little Collin's stress or what her cutting sarcasm does to Mady, than I hope Kate is brought to her destruction by her own greed/narcissism. Then we can all do a fake cackle like her's...at her.

goawayJandK said...

Their school attendance is between the school and the parents and there are countless Americans who take their children out of school for vacations of 1-2 weeks per year.

Class work can be taken along.
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Doesn't make it right, and no, not in my son's school. The county purposely does not allow children to have classwork/homework ahead of time to discourage unnecessary amounts of school time missed.

Do I recognize your handle from the sheeple site ?

BTW, the twins' last day of school would be tomorrow (6/3).

overwithKON said...

AWESOME! Finaly, BIG MAINSTREAM MEDIA! I am so happy, I really like these kids, and I really want them to be as normal someday as they can be. Jon and Kate: Take care of YOUR KIDS!

SaNdY said...

Apologize if this has already been posted...Julie also has the video clip of Matt Lauer speaking with the psychologist on her blog...

Brian said...

Their school attendance is between the school and the parents and there are countless Americans who take their children out of school for vacations of 1-2 weeks per year.

Class work can be taken along.

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Actually, where I am from, if a child is out of school for anything other than illness, or other extraordinary reason like death of a family member -- it is considered "unexcused" and results in a truancy.

There are parents that have had criminal charges filed b/c they took their kids out for a week and went to Disney.

With all the money these people have, they should have private tutors and homeschool.

SaNdY said...

Jana said...
Shari said...

Too little too late. The Today Show is one of the many venues that played a part in exploiting the kids by kissing Kate's butt in the past. (ie; having her on to show us how to cook on a budget by making meatloaf sandwiches? Give me a break.)
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No, never too late. The Today Show has a huge audience -- these wise words reached millions today. I'm not concerned with what Today Show might have done in the past, since today they did the right thing, and did it forcefully
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ITA with Jana...So NBC, along with other main stream media were clueless about J&K+8 at one point in time, now, they are finally stepping up and asking the tough questions, etc...I wish it had happened sooner, for the kids' sake, but it is happening, for that I say YAY!

lindahoyt said...

I wonder if Jon was also filming for the show. Perhaps talking to Dr. Glassman about something, which ties in the tummy, which is shown on the show. Because they said that they are filming at the beach. So, it seems to be too much of a coincidence that Jon is with the doc and Kate, for the first time in 5 years, is showing off her tummy tuck...nope. Something going on!

Hannah said...

I know many people that have already broken up for summer (especially in private schools) so it is unfair to assume they are currently missing school.

But for the comments about it being okay to pull kids out of school thats not true. I know in my public school the school had to pay everytime a child had an absent that wasn't a medical issue as in California kids are required to be enrolled in school. I've now read reports they are starting to fine parents when the kids skip/unexcused absence (something like a vacation would count).

Reading news said...

nanb said...
"I justed posted a question on the free discussion before I saw this.

Paul Peterson is working with industry insider who reported the show and the industry insider is not involved in the production and is not related to the Gosselins. Could it be Beth Carson? Anyone else have any ideas who could have reported them?"

Don't you think he was speaking about Julie? She is not related to the Gosselins.

Reading news said...

"Their school attendance is between the school and the parents and there are countless Americans who take their children out of school for vacations of 1-2 weeks per year."

Perhaps the above is true in NC but definitely not the case in Pennsylvania. Also, third graders do take exams and Mady and Cara's final school day is tomorrow, June 3 inspite of the fact that they have been in NC since Memorial Day weekend.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

The media is very hypocritical and fickle and has a very short memory. It's all about marketing. Right now Matt Lauer is going after KON (like everyone should be). But this is not done because his show genuinely cares about the kids, it is done because right now they're a huge story. Like it or not, Kate is the new Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. The only difference is she has even less talent than they.

nanb said...

Reading news said

Don't you think he was speaking about Julie? She is not related to the Gosselins.
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Maybe I'm too close to my family, but as far as I am concerned Julie is related to the Gosselins.

Regardless, I applaud whomever is working to stop this madness!

birdwatcher said...

I'm no fan - trust me. I've never liked Kate, not even in the beginning when she was semi-tolerable.

However, I'm kinda wincing at how this is all going to crumble around her. I almost feel....could it be...sorry for her?

Anyone else having little glimmers of pity? Oh wait, this is a WITHOUT pity blog, LOL.

Still....things can't be all that great in her world now.

VB Mom of 2 Boys said...

The media is very hypocritical and fickle and has a very short memory. It's all about marketing. Right now Matt Lauer is going after KON (like everyone should be). But this is not done because his show genuinely cares about the kids, it is done because right now they're a huge story. Like it or not, Kate is the new Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. The only difference is she has even less talent than they.

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I want to believe that they are concerned about the kids, but I can't help if they're covering this for ratings. I don't think there's been a day in at least two weeks where one of the entertainment news programs hasn't featured them.

Shows such as Entertainment Tonight and E News used to be some of my favorites where I could sit and relax. Now I don't even want to watch any of their programming because it's the same stuff over and over again. If they're not showing KON, then they're showing Susan Boyle and now they're showing clips from other reality shows (I thought I saw something from the Little Couple earlier tonight). I'm just tired of reality shows in general (aside from American Idol and Amazing Race). There's nothing original about them anymore, especially the TLC ones. The novelty has worn off and it's getting really old really fast.

Wondering said...

That is also not the case (taking kinds out of school for vacation) in my state either. My neighbor got a visit from the police for her child's unexcused absence. Lot more to it, too.

One other thought. I was wondering if maybe the "source" that Paul Peterson is working with is Julie. Just a thought cause she's not a relative.

The Real Susie said...

Regarding the sports thing - I always thought it was because Kate would not want to have anything on the show that wasn't about her - also she doesn't like people, etc., etc. But like the poster mentioned -- Jon could have gone to the games - and Kate could go to the spa - LOL!!!

poetrystruth said...

I know the kids are being harmed, but my fear is that being home with a very pissed off Kate (with no cameras)is going to be hell in a very different way than they are now.

If Kate has to give up her new life of fame and freebies then things are going to be very bad.

obdoc4321 said...

Do you guys reallize you are praising a man who cheated on his wife and is divorcing?
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Do you have some sort of proof that Matt Lauer cheated on his wife? I know many J&K fans aren't accepting the photos or eyewitness stories about Jon's relationship with the teacher, so surely, if you are saying that ML is not faithful to his wife, you have irrefutable proof of this and are somehow able to connect his marital infidelity to his skills as a television interviewer since the connection isn't apparent to me.

As for his impending divorce, pray tell, where did you learn of this? His wife did file for divorce from him several years ago, but they later reconciled and even had another child. If you've got a link to a current story saying he is getting divorced, please share with us.

As for whether a reporter can only report on a story if his own personal life is not comparable in any way with any of his subjects; well, that sure is going to limit what news reporters can cover, isn't it? I don't see anyone here praising Lauer for his personal life, just for the interview he did on this news story. Apples and oranges, as they say.

Matt Lauer was not criticizing the Gosselins for their marital problems, he was criticizing them for allowing their children to be filmed nearly 24/7 since birth and for continuing on a promotional tour for a silly book and filming a silly TV show in the midst of the current tabloid storm, which was surely not in the best interest of their kids.

jojow said...

Oh wow - he jumped ALL OVER them. ""Some people" say it's normal because it's the only normal they know" ...some people=Kate. I believe he said, "that's just doesn't fly with me." Hehehehe.-) Thank GOODNESS the professionals (psychologists) are coming out now and commenting on how this affects the kids.

bye-bye kate

goawayJandK said...

obdoc : well said.

IIRC, this poster is a regular at one of the sheeple sites. Just take a look at her comment immediately following the one to which you responded- trying to justify the twins missing school....

Matt Sees The Duplicity! said...

Wow, this is the Today show and Matt Lauer, not some minor tabloid piece (although anything bringing the J&K debacle to light is a GOOD thing). He's a dad; I'm glad he gave a personal opinion along with the other featured guest-experts. And, might I say, having seen Paul Peterson over the years, he's passionate and well-spoken about a subject he knows only too well. I believe I remember him in the movie, "Houseboat," with Sophia Loren and Cary Grant...young Paul played the older motherless son who was very sad and just wanting a little attention. Maybe when he acted in that role as a child, it wasn't a big leap on the sadness part.

And, yes! Very, very intriguing about an industry insider who is not a family member nor associated with the show. The mystery builds. I just wonder that something hasn't been brewing with a certain group of people for a long time who have just been waiting to bust out. The kids will know that behind the scenes SO MANY people were trying to "be there" for them when their own parents, I'm sorry to say, were not. I hate to be harsh, and I'm not saying they don't love their kids (in ways I don't understand) but Jon & Kate's priorities went in the toilet as the dollars multiplied.

goawayJandK said...

Anyone else having little glimmers of pity?

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That would be a HELL NO for me birdwatcher.

Expositor said...

trying to justify the twins missing school....

Personally, the kids missing school on occasion is not a negative to me.
Most schools in the South are out and have been for one to two weeks now.

Shilohpeace said...

It blows my mind that Kate can leave those adorable children for 20 out of 30 days. I just do not get it. Each child is darling and I know that kids are not always peaches and cream, but I could not imagine having a cutey like Alexia as my daughter and not tucking her in each night. The fact that Kate travels away from her kids so much makes me believe that she doesn't really love those kids - it is an act!! I hope the kids don't know any better and I hope they truly believe their mother loves them. If Kate is so smart, why didn't she find a job that would keep her at home and then travel later on when the kids were more grown up. I don't believe that a person absolutely has to go out on a book tour to sell books! She is so close to New York - she could do numerous signings and p.r. there.

nanasez said...

A child is who he is going to be by the age of six. Their identities are already in place.
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Thankfully, that isn't accurate. It was a theory put forth strongly by Freud, but it doesn't hold water. We're all born with temperaments that are the foundation of our personalities. But people are not static. We grow and change. Some people change more than others, but the potential for growth and change remains throughout life. As for identity, much of that is created in adolescence and young adulthood. Certainly early experiences play a role, but they aren't the only factor. Will the children have problems in the future? I'm certain that they will. But their lives are not lost causes.

goawayJandK said...

Personally, the kids missing school on occasion is not a negative to me.
Most schools in the South are out and have been for one to two weeks now.

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For most families, this is not a problem. Unfortunately, the twins are not missing school "on occasion". They have missed many days to film an episode or participate in a talk show that EXPLOITS them.

Also, the twins' last day of school is tomorrow, and if they have been in NC since Memorial Day weekend, that's at least 5 full days right there.

Their Best Interests At Heart said...

The world is open to them. They don't need to sell the kids. They can give the kids a pretty normal life, if they only would.

6/02/2009 2:35 PM

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lindahoyt: you write many, many deeply-thought-out comments but this one post really brought out a benevolent heart; you're trying hard to see a good solution for this family and I think you must be one very compassionate person.

A Small Aside In Which To Gush said...

Judy41 said...
First of all, I am the biggest Matt Lauer fan.
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Me, too. I'll never forget the first time I saw him doing the news for TODAY. He was sooo cute; very sparkly eyes. I stopped dead in my trax and said, "who in the heck is THAT?" This was like early 1990s...time marches on.

TookSoLongToGetToNow said...

judy41said: "For under thirty minutes of the show, we were filmed many, many separate times, often in 'set ups' with our doctor or just ourselves, repeating sequences, etc. I think we probably filmed ten hours for that one half hour...Anyone who thinks those kids aren't working or that the cameras are only on them for very small portions of their days/weeks is really fooling him/herself."
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Makes me cry for them. It's just so wrong. And it's gone on for so long. I hope everything is culminating to put a brake on this SOONEST. Thanks for the insight.

I Don't Know Matt Personally said...

A Mom-ynous said...
Do you guys reallize you are praising a man who cheated on his wife and is divorcing?

Evidently his family issues weren't important in his own life.

6/02/2009 3:05 PM
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If you're talking about Matt Lauer, that's nothing I know about. Have I been living under a rock? Guess I'll google...but I'm still glad he did the strong interview as it relates to J&KPlus8.

Lisbeth said...

I don't know if I think it is right for this educational psychologist to armchair family lifestyle decisions ie:Kate shouldn't go away to work, she should stay at home more. Huge assumptions she is making....(who knows maybe the kids feel more comfortable home with Jon)...but I do think she did a good job articulating concerns about the children's psychological health re: the effects of growing up on TV in the spotlight.

Overall I thought the piece was good with the focus on the needs of the kids. IMO, that is much more productive than who was with who where each weekend that seems to dominate the media discussion these days.

goldengirl said...

Matt Lauers wife did file for divorce in 2006 but they reconciled.

Kudos to both of them for deciding to try and work things out. I'm sure their kids were part of the decision to reconcile.

So yes, I do praise him.

goldengirl said...

Please remember you are applying public school standards to a privare school.

I taught for 6 years in a private school and had a student who was trying to become a child actor. He was gone every week, usually from Thursday to Monday flying to LA for auditions.

Our administration made no effort to reprimand his parents or impose any sort of mandatory attendance because they didn't have to. There is no state agency that regulates or holds private schools accountable. As long as they paid the tuition the admin was fine with workinh around his schedule. We'd make up a homework packet and he complete it while he was gone and turn it in when he returned.

Hope that gives some insight.

Nate's Mom said...

WHOA! Jane Valez-Mitchell is all over Kate Gosselin.

She is exposing some of the truth about how the twins & tups came to be...calling it a "calculated move."

She was on HLN Prime News discussing this.

Wonder is this will fade away or they'll keep the heat on.

concerned said...

To follow up on the previous post - I've taught at private schools as well. There is always a small number of parents with the attitude that because they pay tuition, they can dictate school policy. And unfortunately, there are too many school administrators who only see dollars not common sense.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Missing school IS A BIG DEAL to me. It illustrates the fact that the parents believe that the FAMILY JOB is MORE IMPORTANT than an EDUCATION, not to mention a normal life. It is more of a bigger deal because Hate couldn't pospone the vacation two weeks so the twins could finish the term with their schoolmates. I would like to know how much school that the twins have missed. Private school or no private school, a child is mandated to attend school unless they have an excused absence. PA should investigate this also.

Elle said...

A Mom-ynous said...

'Do you guys reallize you are praising a man who cheated on his wife and is divorcing?'


And this is related to his reporting skills how, exactly?

Maude said...

Where is Kate going to do PR for her cookbook in the fall? As things are going there won't be a network, or show, that hasn't judged and criticized her as a parent and a person.

She doesn't have many friends left in the media now, and won't have any by the time this all comes to a head.

Ms.Peach said...

I'm sure the twins over the years have been missing school over "more than just an occasion." I can remember hating to miss school, except if I was sick, because you ALWAYS missed something that would come back and bite you on a test. I don't understand why Kate could not have taken a NC vacation when they were out of school----ANY IDEAS why this had to be filmed over Memorial Day? TLC could fake it like they always do. I know their was some speculation that they left their McMansion because the kitchen was undergoing renovation, but that could have been delayed. It just doesn't make sense to take your kids out of school for a week for a "working vacation." Even during a kitchen renovation you can live at home (microwave, eat out, call in).

Maybe Kate's bikini photos needed to come out now. We know it was a set up.

goldengirl said...

a child is mandated to attend school unless they have an excused absence...

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However, a private school is able to define for themselves what an excused absence is, unlike a public school which has clearly spelled out rules about attendance (because their state funding is dependent on it). So as far as the twins' school is concerned, their absence is excused.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be in school right now. As a former teacher, I believe strongly in regular attendance. Hopefully their attendance records will be a factor in the Dept. of Labor's investigation.

Helen said...

Frankly I put all these so-called news shows in the same boat with Jon and Kate themselves. Now in addition to the kids and their friends being able to see their worst childhood moments on TV forever, they can add seeing every "respected" talking head in the country dissing their parents and speculating what sort of damaged goods they (kids) will grow up to be. Lovely, just lovely. The media (print, TV and internet) are all in it purely for the bucks.

bcsurvivor2001 said...

OK - see how the last several dozen posts are all condeming the fact that the twins were pulled from school, missing school, etc etc....and what happens but we find out today they didn't miss school at all. They are both back home - safe and sound - attending school as scheduled. Pics in their uniforms - smiling, happy, content.

See how we are still continuously being manipulated and dictated to. Unless pictures have date stamps on them - they are "leaked" conveniently and on purpose. So all this speculation can carry on and on.

Even US weekly is misquoting - on their cover - the fact that the girls were pulled out of schol for a working vacation.

Everyone is so quickly jumping on this - nobody is looking at any facts. I'm sure TLC, Kate, Jon and whoever is in their highly paid PR group are sitting back laughing at each and everyone one of us "gullibles"

Shame on us.............

emptynester said...

Nate's Mom said...

WHOA! Jane Valez-Mitchell is all over Kate Gosselin.

She is exposing some of the truth about how the twins & tups came to be...calling it a "calculated move."

She was on HLN Prime News discussing this.


I saw that, too! I hope she asks her researcher to dig a little deeper!

LpCatz said...

Does anyone remember the episode where Kate quite candidly talks about the film crew and producers being there day after day (I think she said) all day, etc....

She was trying to explain that they don't just show up and film for a few hours and there you have an episode (or two).

I think it was a year or two back, but it sure blows the whole theory that they just film for a few hours just a couple days a week.

obdoc4321 said...

Even US weekly is misquoting - on their cover - the fact that the girls were pulled out of schol for a working vacation.

Everyone is so quickly jumping on this - nobody is looking at any facts. I'm sure TLC, Kate, Jon and whoever is in their highly paid PR group are sitting back laughing at each and everyone one of us "gullibles"
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While the twins are back in school this week while Kate and the 'tups are still in NC, there were numerous sitings of the twins down there last week, on days that there school was in session. There are multiple comments from vacationers, storekeepers and the like who saw them there; the dates were not manipulated.

I suppose its better that they only missed one week instead of two; but I wonder if it wasn't because of all the folks wondering why these school aged kids weren't in school that caused them to be hauled back up to PA for a photo op wearing their uniforms to 'prove' that they are in attendance sometimes.

Also, if you believe that the beach photos were not properly dated and the twins, in fact, were in PA all along and never missed any school; how can you use undated photos of the twins wearing their school clothes as your proof? Neither set of photos is completely verifiable. For that matter, the date stamp on a photo isn't necessarily correct, either.

I'd say the eyewitness accounts that place the twins down in NC during the weekdays last week are the best source.

goawyJandK said...

Everyone is so quickly jumping on this - nobody is looking at any facts. I'm sure TLC, Kate, Jon and whoever is in their highly paid PR group are sitting back laughing at each and everyone one of us "gullibles"

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obdoc, again, well said.

bcsurvivor: I have been posting here for quite some time and I think there are some pretty observant posters here, not too many of the "gullibles". I'd say the "gullibles" are the sheeple that believe every bucket of BS that comes out of Jon and esp K8's mouths.

goldengirl: thanks for the info. I really, truly hope that the twins' school is not supporting their not-working schedules.

blmangopit said...

Can some of you posters get the facts straight? It's driving me nuts to hear that the twins are 9 years old or are in 3rd grade. My own sons are a few months in age older than both sets of Gosselin kids. My older son is 9 and in 3rd grade. The twins are still 8, and with a birthday in October, they are in 2nd grade and not almost 9. The tups just turned 5 and are headed to Kindergarten, just like my own 5 year old since January. Please keep the ages/grades right. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

Good Grief said...

blmangopit said...

Can some of you posters get the facts straight? It's driving me nuts to hear that the twins are 9 years old or are in 3rd grade. My own sons are a few months in age older than both sets of Gosselin kids. My older son is 9 and in 3rd grade. The twins are still 8, and with a birthday in October, they are in 2nd grade and not almost 9. The tups just turned 5 and are headed to Kindergarten, just like my own 5 year old since January. Please keep the ages/grades right. It's just a pet peeve of mine.

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I'm just curious...at what point would it be acceptable to refer to the twins as "almost 9"? Would you prefer that they be referred to as "8 and just under 3/4s"?

bcsurvivor2001 said...

Yikes I guess I let my fingers do my thinking too quickly - shame on me. I see a couple people decided to semi-quote some of my thoughts and disagreed. That's fine.

Maybe my thought in print didn't come across to well - I apologize to anyone in particular if I offended you.

I just think that in "general", maybe not the majority on these posts - are starting to get really caught up in the minute-by-minute updates we seem to be getting. I'm just questioning the reliability of ANY of them - be it eye witnesses to whom was where when - to photos being strategically "leaked" - whether from the working vacation to the school uniforms.

It's just a tabloid frenzy out there it seems - every corner you turn is another new siting, new revelation. Whew........

Merrilee said...

poetrystruth said...
I know the kids are being harmed, but my fear is that being home with a very pissed off Kate (with no cameras)is going to be hell in a very different way than they are now.

If Kate has to give up her new life of fame and freebies then things are going to be very bad.

6/02/2009 7:56 PM

I share this fear. She is never going to forgive them if this gravy train stops. Scary ...

Sarah said...

A Mom-ynous said...
Do you guys reallize you are praising a man who cheated on his wife and is divorcing?

Evidently his family issues weren't important in his own life.

6/02/2009 3:05 PM
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Who has family problems that are not important?

That is why they are called problems.

Sidney said...

A Small Aside In Which To Gush said...
Judy41 said...
First of all, I am the biggest Matt Lauer fan.
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Me, too. I'll never forget the first time I saw him doing the news for TODAY. He was sooo cute; very sparkly eyes. I stopped dead in my trax and said, "who in the heck is THAT?" This was like early 1990s...time marches on.
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Add me to the list of Matt fans. I watch Today just to keep touch with what he is doing.

I was so disappointed when he got his beautiful hair cut! He just doesn't look the same with that short hair.

SED said...

Changes are to be expected, so it is not a surprise the Jon and Kate are not the same people they were a few years ago. However, why did Kate have to become such an insufferable person? I am a strong minded woman, with leadership qualities, and a no-nonsense personality, but I cannot abide Kate's attitude and her self-justifications for doing as she pleases while saying it is all for the children. I used to like Jon's easy going personality before he became a doormat. My husband is mild mannered, but he is a real man who would not tolerate my treating him the way Jon lets Kate treat him. For the sake of the children, please TLC, don't be an accomplice and don't let the children live through this on national television.

Arieslikekate said...

Mitch Albom, famous book author ( and he doesn't do tours ) and sports columnist, just wrote a column on Jon and Kate!

wrote it in the Detroit Free Press.

Arieslikekate said...

It certainly is interesting to see how many ways people can interpet the written word.

Everyone is deciding if this is a reality show or not...

Expositor said...

goawayJandK said...

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For most families, this is not a problem. Unfortunately, the twins are not missing school "on occasion". They have missed many days to film an episode or participate in a talk show that EXPLOITS them.



Also, the twins' last day of school is tomorrow, and if they have been in NC since Memorial Day weekend, that's at least 5 full days right there.


Personally, I just don't think it's a big deal for kids to miss school at that age.
I don't think they should be kept out of school to make money for their parents, or be exploited, as these kids are, but missing school in the 2nd grade is no big deal, in my book.
Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom.

froggy mug said...

Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom.

Yeah... like how to hit their mark, how to deliver their rehearsed lines for candy, how to stay close to the bodyguard, how to avoid eye contact with paparazzi and gawkers... yep, they're learning quite a bit.

Oh, and they're on assignment, not vacation.

goawayJandK said...

Yikes I guess I let my fingers do my thinking too quickly - shame on me. I see a couple people decided to semi-quote some of my thoughts and disagreed. That's fine.

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bc survivor -

the G's (esp K8) have a pretty long track record of lies and inconsistencies. You are correct in that many posters , myself included, often comment on the "minute by minute" details. I guess it's just human nature that when someone stands on his/her soapbox making declarations of lies, people will want to knock them down with the truth. TLC needs to know that the non-fans are not as stupid as the sheeple, that we can think for ourselves, make educated deductions from what we see/hear/read and know fact from truth , at least most of the time.

goawayJandK said...

Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom

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Not in my town. We moved here specificially for the school district - there are days when I can't help my 11yo son with his math =)

Of course, missing a few days in elementary school is not a disaster, but for the Gosselins, it's a big problem for many reasons :

1) They are being removed from school to WORK

2) Jane and K8 are not instilling in Mady and Cara the value of getting a good education

3) They seem to have missed a LOT of school - how will they catch up with their peers?

4) The trips could definitely be an educational experience, but when has anyone seen K8 put ANY effort into teaching her kids anything ?

JMO.

goawayJandK said...

sorry, meant to say " make educated deductions from what we see/hear/read and know fact from LIES"

michelle** said...

This kids will grow up with resentment towards their parents. It will happen.

Kate and Jon better brace themselves on the reality of these kids wanting NO relationship with them when they are adults. But they will have their money...right?

michelle** said...

I hope to God that Beth Carson is the one that is doing something about the exploitation that Jon and Kate are doing with their kids.

She would know too. And she cares for these kids. She needs to pair up with Kevin and Jodi and Paul Peterson.

Jana said...

Expositor said:
Personally, I just don't think it's a big deal for kids to miss school at that age.
I don't think they should be kept out of school to make money for their parents, or be exploited, as these kids are, but missing school in the 2nd grade is no big deal, in my book.
Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom.

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Not to make a big deal about your offhand comment, but I feel it's important to speak up on behalf of public schools and the teachers who work very hard to provide a good education to students.

I cannot speak for every school district, but I have two direct experiences I can share. 1. My sister is a lifelong teacher. She works her butt off to teach her students and prepare them for the next grade. She has taught kindergarten, 1st and 2nd grade her entire career, and speaks Spanish as well. She spends a lot of her own money to help buy items for the classroom. She cares about her students and she does not "dumb down" her lesson plans!

2. I have a son going through the public school system in California. He is in 5th grade. From kindergarten onward, he has had to learn, learn, learn! They have to learn how to read by the end of kindergarten nowadays. He is doing some pre-algebra math in 5th grade. They study and learn so much in these early years. Trust me when I say -- their school work is not dumbed down!

Sorry to jump on you -- but I really take offense at the casual attitude that public schools are a joke. It's pathetic how their funding has been cut yet the dedicated teachers still give the students their all.

Mady and Cara are in private school I believe. Therefore, I cannot speak to their rules or regulations. In public school, if a student misses a day, the school loses the per diem funding for that student for that day. Taking students out of school for trips or vacations is therefore directly negatively impacting the public school, and thus should not be done.

Okay, end of my rant. Nothing person to Expositor -- but I do feel strongly that schools and teachers need defending sometimes :)

margojata said...

I'm guessing the kids were taken out of school at this time because they're on a taping schedule. We all know they're taking a trip out of the country when school is over. I just can't believe Jon is going along with it.

I also praise Matt Lauer for finally speaking his mind on this trainwreck. 'bout friggin time! And to the poster who is criticizing his personal life, he's not getting divorced. He and his wife separated in 2006 and worked it out. Something KON won't bother to do since Kate can't be bothered. She has Mr. Grey now. He'll be sorry.

Maude said...

Expositor said:
Personally, I just don't think it's a big deal for kids to miss school at that age.
I don't think they should be kept out of school to make money for their parents, or be exploited, as these kids are, but missing school in the 2nd grade is no big deal, in my book.
Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom.

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School is a child's introduction to a work ethic. Teaching a child at a young age that going to "work" is not important is telling them that being responsible is not important.

I'm sorry the school district your children attend is "dumbed down". All children deserve the very best education possible. My kids attend a public school district in Michigan and the curriculum is quite advanced and intensive. The graduation requirements were just updated two years ago and even the teachers are wondering how they're going to fit it all in in only four years.

School is the only "job" these kids should have. Their education should be their path to success, not learning how to scam from their self-important parents.

pinkdiamond611 said...

Pardon me, but school is not dumbed down. Have you not heard of NCLB? I teach kinder in the NYC schools and kinder is what first grade used to be. The students are expected to read and write by the end of kinder, and not just a couple of words. Math, the children do algebra. The standards in other states are just as high or not higher. That aside, if parents send the message that "school is not a big deal" in second grade, don't be surprised if the student thinks "school is not a big deal" in H.S. jmo I always tell my students that school is THEIR job. Being the best kinders, third graders, etc. is their job. Missing school/job is not acceptable.
Expositor said -----Personally, I just don't think it's a big deal for kids to miss school at that age.
I don't think they should be kept out of school to make money for their parents, or be exploited, as these kids are, but missing school in the 2nd grade is no big deal, in my book.
Schools are so dumbed down these days, and there is so much repetition, that they are probably learning more during a vacation than sitting in a classroom.-----

imaginewhatwedon'tsee said...

‘JON & KATE PLUS 8' = A WASTE OF TIME

The Mitch Albom article mentioned earlier, a good read.

6/02/2009 4:32 PM
OpenID lindahoyt said...

I wonder if Jon was also filming for the show. Perhaps talking to Dr. Glassman about something, which ties in the tummy, which is shown on the show. Because they said that they are filming at the beach. So, it seems to be too much of a coincidence that Jon is with the doc and Kate, for the first time in 5 years, is showing off her tummy tuck...nope. Something going on!





I think so too. There are too many coincidences starting to happen now, such as above...plus people questioning about the kids missing school and boom...Jon and the twins are picking up packages at the UPS by the paps (after being picked up from school). Everything seems staged to me. I think Jon and Kate are working together and possibly working with paps and/or selling pics to the tabloids. I don't think we have even begun to realize how much we all have been manipulated unless one stays on top of local news, tabloids -- mags and online. Say what you want about Us magazine they keep chipping away at the illusion called Jon and Kate. Thank goodness for GWOP, Musings, Preesi, TVSnark, and many others.
Jon and Kate ALWAYS seem to know where the paparazzi are and seem to POSE for the cameras. Why wouldn't Kate and her go-along husband be manipulating us using the paps?

goawayJandK said...

Jana-

Bravo on your post. My son (with the crazy math lol) is also in 5th grade. I am consistently in awe of the dedication his teachers have exhibited throughout the years.

Of course, we are also lucky that our children attend schools such as theirs. I'm sure there are many others who aren't as fortunate.

Huh said...

"Jane said:

Paul Peterson spoke to another critical point -- contracts should be negotiated on behalf of each child, money should be put into trust for them, safeguards put into place with reasonable restrictions on their working hours, etc."

That's actually my second biggest fear for these kids. I'm afraid of the show not being cancelled, and they'll spend their entire childhoods being filmed and jumping through hoops for Kate, and when they turn 18, they'll have zero dollars in the bank. Most of that money should be divided up into trusts for those kids. They're 8/10th's of the show and books! But I'm afraid Kate will think it's all hers and "all mine, as far as the eye can see."

A Mom-ynous said...

Today on Today (6/5/09),

Matt Lauer has had second thoughts on child exploitation and has green lighted a fun story about another set of sextuplets celebrating their 2nd birthday.


I'm always open to both sides of the issue--but can we admit this is now getting ridiculous!

It's very contradictory of Today to even do this piece at all.

A Mom-ynous said...

Pardon me, but school is not dumbed down. Have you not heard of NCLB?

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Talk about exploitation

NCLB is a HUGE joke that trains children to take a test and doesn't actually provide incentive to truly learn anything.

We are raising children who won't have an original thought but be able to regurgitate the trivia that their state thought was important.

The Spirit of NCLB was palatable, but the implementation of it is just downright awful.

I know several teachers in public school and it is the biggest pain in the butt there ever was and impedes their ability to teach the children.

A Mom-ynous said...

School is a child's introduction to a work ethic. Teaching a child at a young age that going to "work" is not important is telling them that being responsible is not important.


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Gosselins aside, I find that the be an inappropriate assessment of the educational process.

Show or no show--it isn't blowing off school when you have a vacation planned or a work trip (we were gone for a month due to sitting issues and a work assignment she had in the military.)

Proper work ethic not just showing up on time everyday to a job. It is making sure that things are taken care of while you are away.

Whenever we missed school--especially for that one month period--we had work packets made up. And the work was in essence "home-scooled".

In the real world--you plan vacations with your boss and you get to take them. IF you expect o have a job when you get back, you won't leave them high and dry. You will have completed all your deadlines and made arrangements for those things that you will miss.

Some people take their work along so as not to be behind when they get back.

It is a leap to insinuate that doing the same thing in school is teaching poor work ethic.

Maude said...

Show or no show--it isn't blowing off school when you have a vacation planned or a work trip (we were gone for a month due to sitting issues and a work assignment she had in the military.)

Proper work ethic not just showing up on time everyday to a job. It is making sure that things are taken care of while you are away.

Whenever we missed school--especially for that one month period--we had work packets made up. And the work was in essence "home-scooled".

In the real world--you plan vacations with your boss and you get to take them. IF you expect o have a job when you get back, you won't leave them high and dry. You will have completed all your deadlines and made arrangements for those things that you will miss.

Some people take their work along so as not to be behind when they get back.

It is a leap to insinuate that doing the same thing in school is teaching poor work ethic.

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I don't know why my comment hit a nerve and its none of my business, but let me explain some more.

I said school is an "introduction" to a work ethic. Not the end all be all.
EVERY example you sited shows a good work ethic! I'm not sure where we disagree?
You took my comment too literally, as if I meant that the ONLY element of establishing a good work ethic later is "showing up".
Nor was I referring to an occasional vacation, and certainly not going away due to your parents work obligations.
I would NEVER say that is "blowing off" school.
No where in my comment did I say children should not miss school.We were discussing the Gosselins habit of pulling the twins from school to work, and I was addressing the poster who said its no big deal for kids to miss school at this age.
Hope that explains my position a little better.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I know that this is really, really, going off topic, so I am just going to say to goggle the ramifications to the school districts of NCLB. It is no joke. Also google the mandated school days required of each student. If your personal opinion differs, so be it, but legislation, IS legislation.

A Mom-ynous said...

Recordkeeping/Reports: Private schools have an obligation to furnish district superintendents a list of the names and residences of all resident children between 6 and 18 enrolled in the school, to report the name and date of any pupil withdrawing, and the name of any child absent 3 days or the equivalent without lawful excuse. 24 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 13-1332. School administrators failing to comply with the reporting requirements may be fined. 24 Pa. Cons. Stat. § 13-1355.


http://www.ed.gov/pubs/RegPrivSchl/pennsylv.html

I don't pretend to know the comings and goings of Mady and Cara in their school day.

But I did try to find information on legal absences for vacations and how long can they be.

From looking at various school district websites, an approved family vacation in which the family notifies the school distrcit ahead of time can be legally excused.


I will say from my knowledge of children in acting--when it becomes an issue of meeting attendance requirements, it is usually advised that homeschooling be done instead.

Also--I don't keep up where the Gosselins live, but here is a sample of the Mercer School District policy:

http://www.mercer.k12.pa.us/middleschool/Site%20Documents/Downloadable%20forms%20and%20policies/Attendance.pdf

Family Vacations that cannot be scheduled when school is out of session will be honored as an excuse absence if

1. It is requested in writing by the parents at least 2 weeks in advance
2. If the student has not exceed the 30 day yearly limit for absence without medical verification.
3. The student is completely responsible to make up or make provisions for assignments with the teachers prior to leaving on such trips.
4. The trip must have educational merit.

I know that #4 would be a sticking point, but most any vacation can be made to have some educational merit. (I can't think of a vacation where we have not had some educational content even if it was to a simple campground.)


So while there is NCLB, we must remember that legally--Education is governed at the state level so each state can set their criteria while still meeting the merits of the NCLB legislation.


NCLB has been a pain in our butt for years, yet PA still has the attendance policy as listed above.

I find the policy to be extremely generous just from reading it.

From some vacation blogs I am on--it seemed that folks from that state always had an easier task of planning school year vacations than residents of other states.

A Mom-ynous said...

Hope that explains my position a little better.

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It did--I'm sorry if I sounded like I was going "off on you"--I really didn't feel that much animosity in my post so maybe my word choice was more harsh than it should have been.

I will say that I missed school for a week once in PA while in 3rd grade. My parents were military, so I guess that is just when they were able to take the time off.

At no time, did I ever consider that we were blowing off school.

I know it is a talking point to say that the children are working.

So if they are working, they are being taught many ethics.

Even if we do not apply the definition of "work" to them, they would have a difficult time with anything if they were legally truant.

So IMHO, 2 points--

I don't think parents are training children to blow off the important things in life.

I don't think the Gosselins are violating any attendance policies (as generous as the policies seem).

I mean--it could be worse..they could be homeschooled and it would be more difficult to gauge their school schedule versus their work schedule.

The other thing we don't have is the twins actual school schedule which for private schools does not always align with the public school system. (though I am sure some talented sleuths may have come up with it already.)

Renee said...

Why isn't she writing books on, and having her own show on "organisation"? Now each of us must admit that in this, she is an expert! That is where she excels! She could have a very successful tv show where she goes into other people's homes and organises their messes..everyone would love her caustic temperament in that circumstance!

I've been watching from the beginning and I never liked Kate nor thought she was very effective at organization. She's a fraud in every aspect of her filmed life.

Tyra said...

I don't know why everyone thinks she is so organized either. Didn't Beth or somebody HELP her organize the kids play room? Didn't she just forget her cell phone and the CAKE (of all things!)at the tup's fifth b.d. party? Yea, real genious at organization.

Denise said...

Why isn't she writing books on, and having her own show on "organisation"? Now each of us must admit that in this, she is an expert! That is where she excels! She could have a very successful tv show where she goes into other people's homes and organises their messes..everyone would love her caustic temperament in that circumstance!

I've been watching from the beginning and I never liked Kate nor thought she was very effective at organization. She's a fraud in every aspect of her filmed life.


I think Kate is DISORGANIZED!! She always sends Jon back for all the things she forgets.

goawayJandK said...

I've been watching from the beginning and I never liked Kate nor thought she was very effective at organization. She's a fraud in every aspect of her filmed life

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I tend to agree. People think K8 is so organized because that's what she wants everybody to believe, same as with her OCDishness.

Taking notes, writing on a calendar, separating spring from winter clothing, bringing 8 juice boxes in the car : not exactly rocket science.