Divorce News Part Two

Since Blogger starts having fits if we approach or go over 1000 comments per post, I'm starting a new one for the divorce discussion.

156 comments:

TUNDRA said...

It is sad - Jon and Kate Gosselin, soon-to-be "revoling door parents" taking turns parenting their children at the studio ... oops, I mean ... the big crooked house.

gail said...

I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out? Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling. Or maybe they did and it did not work.

So many questions....

UnOrganicManic said...

Now the kids have 4 Crooked Houses and 1 crooked mansion and 2 crooked parents. All for them of course, lucky rugrats. Kate is left only with a crooked hair cut.

Heather said...

Well from what I can tell, their marriage began falling apart when Kate got pregnant with the 6. Watching those old episodes, it's pretty apparent. :(

luvthekids said...

gail said...
I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out? Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling. Or maybe they did and it did not work.

So many questions....

Me too, gail. If you believe the tabs, Jon said three years ago in the Star article, when she began to cut off family and friends from their life. Who to believe? I hate it for the kids. Can the court insist they be able to see family? Do the grandparents have any visitation rights?

TUNDRA said...

Correction:

Revolving Door Parents

To Gail:

It seems to me if Jon and Kate Gosselin really wanted to work on their marriage, they would have put the marriage first, not the $how.

Elle Rose said...

gail said...

I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out? Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling. Or maybe they did and it did not work.

So many questions....
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There are many unanswered questions, but I think if they had done even one counseling session they would be claiming they'd "gone to counseling".

rachel said...

2 comments:

1. How long will their "revolving" parenting work? What if either wants to get remarried? How long can they realistically have the kids at home and the two of them in/out? Once one wants to start a new life with a new partner, that arrangement will not work.

2. Have said before (but comment was buried amongst many) that I am wondering if things were rocky when they moved into the house? Remember how Kate went into a tirade when they took a tour of the house (no furniture yet) and she told the kids that they will never, ever, under any circumstances walk into her bedroom EVER again? I always thought that was odd . . . but now I am wondering if it was in an attempt to hide their separate sleeping arrangements?

West Coast said...

Does anyone remember back when Kate used to constantly place her hands on Jon's face during interviews? She would slap it or rub it in that very odd way. At some point, she stopped doing that and I think that is around the time they began to separate.

Does anyone remember when that was?

mommyoftwo said...

My parents have been married for 33 years, so I have no idea what it is like to go through a divorce. However, the idea of the kids staying in "their" house and the parents coming and going seems so strange to me. To me, it seems it would make the kids feel as though there is less stability. It is almost like mom has a different house and her own life and comes to visit, and the same thing with dad. I don't think that it sounds like a way to really give these kids a feeling of security. It seems like, "Here you go. Here's your house. Sometimes mom will come over and take care of you, and sometimes dad will." So, so, so strange.

AeroSpice said...

Does anyone have a website for upcoming editions of newspapers please?

Thanks!

Angie said...

Gail: I would imagine that they didn't take a chance on counseling because that would have involved Kate having to take some responsibility for the part she played in this mess and then she might have to correct some of her behavior. Jon only seems to half way take responsibility for his actions, but Kate is taken no responsibility. She seems intent on blaming Jon for 100% of this and sitting around playing the whiny, innocent victim in all of this. She truly makes me sick.

JonIsFinallyFree said...

Just read this week's People article with Khate. At one point she quotes herself regarding a conversation she had with Jon about going to the lawyer. "Jon said if we left by 9:00am it would be fine. I said 'They follow ME all the time, not YOU! We will leave at 7:30 am.!' "

Gee Khate, always so loving and kind to your husband. She can't understand why he doesn't want to be married to her anymore?

She makes me vomit. Seriously.

Kittycat said...

I'm one who believes Jodi & Kevin when they said Kate told Jon ages ago it was OVER and to do his own thing, just show up for taping. Probably she was doing her own thing with Steve first. I don't know if she realized Jon would be quite happy to find other women who didn't roll their eyes, correct him, make fun of him and boss him around constantly. Once Jon had the taste of 'normal' there was no way he was going back for more abuse. Khate probably figured they could lead separate lives and just continue to rake in the money the kids were busy earning for them.
She probably doesn't really care anyway, narcissists are like that...he is just the latest victim on the list of all the other people she has 'used' up and once you can no longer benefit her end game...away you go. There are an awful lot of people in the 'I've been tossed by Kate Club'....Jodi, Kevin, Nana Janet, her family, Jon's family, Beth & her family, probably more family and friends than we know about...they need to get t-shirts printed for themselves...'I survived Khate's abuse'...while they're at it...maybe order a couple of extra boxes...more people are joining that club all the time.

overwithKON~~~ said...

Tundra! You said it well, the BIG CROOKED HOUSE! Sad and perfect for the situation........

Terri said...

I have always thought things seemed to "go south" after the first trip to Utah.

I remember Jon talking about how he hadn't been on a snowboard in 10 years and how great it was to get back on and find that he hadn't forgotten how. I think he also mentioned his father.

Did going to the Canyons and getting on a board remind him of a youth and freedom he missed and missed out on?

I don't know the filming vs. broadcast timelines and TLC has been careful to keep them confused, but could that freebie have been the beginning of the end?

SaNdY said...

gail said...
I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out? Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling. Or maybe they did and it did not work.

So many questions....
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I don't believe that Jon wanted out (even though his life with her was a living hell) she was the one who told him it's over, according to Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin about 6-7 months ago...and yes, I wonder about counseling, too, especially when you're the parents of 8 kids, and you have their lives to think about, seems like you would want to do everything possible before you throw in the towel...I also remember when the **** started hitting the fan in May and TLC told J&K that the only way that TLC would go on with the show for a couple more seasons would be if they got counseling, Kate was not going to go along with it, but TLC insisted...wonder what happened to that bottom line?? And one more point, I believe someone else on here pointed this out, counseling doesn't do a bit of good if the ones being counseled don't take the advice to heart and change what needs to be changed...I don't see Kate being able to take any advice from any professional because it's clear from what she has said on the 'Houses and Big Changes' episode and in People, it's all Jon's fault, nothing is her fault...so she might as well use any money earmarked for counseling and get even bigger boobs and more bikinis....

Kitty The Dog's Blog said...

I posted this under another topic, but thought it might be appropriate here as well: I foresee symptoms of Parental Alientation syndrome occurring soon. My husband I and went through PAS hell with his ex until finally my husband won sole custody and his ex has very limited supervised visits. I can see Kate employing PAS tactics and further damaging the children. Look up the symptoms and watch for the signs in the episodes to come. It seem like it can't get any worse, but unfortunately, it can.

Liz said...

The episode should have been called Crooked Houses - Broken Home. They should have not have done that on television. Those kids will have to go back to school in September.

Tessa said...

Have we discussed who is pregnant yet? Kate or Deanna? Did Jon have a v-ectomy? I know Kate has some kind of problem but it sometimes happens that women with fertility problems end up getting pregnant on their own.

If Deanna is pregnant it would explain the filing of papers by Kate.

nanasez said...

I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out? Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling.

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I've wondered as well about when things reached the "breaking point." Back when she got the tummy tuck, he still seemed rather "in love" with her. The way he greeted her when she returned, there was still some warmth and fondness on his part.

I think as he was more and more the target of ridicule for the way she treated him (and the way he let her treat him), his anger toward her grew. I kind of think that she may be so empatheticly crippled that she never really realized that he was no longer "okay" with how she spoke to him. Early on, they both insisted it was okay how they spoke to each other, and that each knew that the other "didn't mean it." At some point, I think Jon started realizing that she DID "mean it," and she never caught on that he was feeling the wound of her words. I can remember seeing some evidence of that in interviews on the show.

I guess it was a slow build, and I think she missed all the signs...or wrote them off because she never expected Jon to have enough guts (or nuts) to stand up to her and risk her wrath.

Thing is, in PA she can actually ask the judge to make Jon go to counseling to address their problems. Her not doing so shows that she wants out as much as he does, IMO. I think the money and celebrity life are most important to her, and as long as she has lackeys she can order around in Jon's place, she thinks she's happy. What's best for her kids isn't really on her mind at all.

Andrea said...

Looks as though the Masche family is well-aware of the dangers of putting their sextuplets on TV and has learned from the Gosselin's mistakes!!

http://www.tvguide.com/news/raising-sextuplets-parents-1006812.aspx

Andrea said...

Another article comparing Jon & Khate to the 'Raising Sextuplets' family....pray that what this article says is true and the Masche kids don't become ones we need to be worried about.

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2009/06/09/new_sextuplets_reality_series_premieres_on_we_tv/

Kaci E. said...

I think that no one really knows what the situation is inside. Kate has said that they have "been dealing with these issues" for 2 years, not that they have been seperated for 2 years. If the situation is as everyone seems to think, then yes it was greedy of them to accept a free trip to Hawaii to renew their vows, lying about the reality of their relationship. But it may have been a last ditch effort to hold things together. I think that I cannot judge either way, I don't have 8 children, I don't have sextuplets, and I don't have a television show. I don't have a clue what goes on behind the show. But I think they did the show because in the beginning,one of them HAD to stay home, and it is so expensive to raise one child, let alone 8. I guess I am saying, I understand everyone's position, but I pass no judgement.

kmurf said...

I understand the living situation of Jon and Kate taking turns in the house in a different light than most of you because it is what my parents did when they divorced. When they were seperated and newly divorced they took turns staying with us in the house while the other parent would stay with family. My mom explained to me that the marriage counselor they were seeing explained it would be a better situation for us kids at the time. Eventually, my father found a house of his own and we would stay with him there but only after we felt comfortable with the changes.
I have a lot of sympathy for the Gosselin children because I went through a divorce when I was the twins age. It is a shame they also have to deal with all the media coverage and tabloids along with all the typical hardships.

Nancy said...

Again, Blindgossip does not know anything. They guess about their blind items, much like we guess about things here. Sometimes they get things right but most of the time it is wrong.

Did Jon file as well? said...

Has anyone heard about Jon filing as well ... in the newest People Magazine, Khate states that she and John both filed, but yet only her petition has been shown, but nothing on Jon's end.

Emmy said...

US WEEKLY: TLC had planned to have Jon and Kate in counseling.
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Can you say sleazy? That would have been the most pointless, and the tackiest, show ever. ICK.

Emmy said...

Heather said...
Well from what I can tell, their marriage began falling apart when Kate got pregnant with the 6. Watching those old episodes, it's pretty apparent. :(

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That would make a lot of sense, since Jon didn't even want her to get pregnant again. That woman needs to get ear implants -- maybe then she'd be able to hear other people!

Margo said...

TLC will be ruthless when once they are done milking the current series Kate is shown evolving into the persona she exhibits today. TLC Network is not obliged to keep the cutting room floor of past filming unbroadcasted. Watch and see, this will happen, IMHO. Kate will be exposed. Never was a nice person.

Infidelity hurts to the core...how do you cry 1/2 day anyway?

miggr said...

When Kate started going into to detail about how Mady and Kara reacted to the divorce news I was was ill. So now she has resorted to gossiping about her own kids unfilmed (we hope) tragedies to millions of strangers? Is nothing sacred in that house? She has no idea that they are going to HATE her for that? Instead of the cameras, why doesn't she just start charging people $200 to come sit in her kitchen for an hour to watch the family implode in person? She can then get to go through her list of woes 40 times a day and get her fill of personal attention. Poor Kate. Life is so hard for her and no one else. The last thing I would ever do to my child is to broadcast her traumas to the world. My job is to protect her, not to present her reactions to the world for analysis just because I need to give some juicy tidbits to People Magazine. Unless Mady and Kara gave their blessing to Kate to put that information out there, that personal information was not Kate's to give out. Period. These freak parents just don't get it and it doesn't look like they ever will. Idiots.

I'm beginning to agree with Jon and Kate's earlier assertion that society IS in fact responsible for the well-being of these kids because they were created through fertility "technology". Its time for a societal intervention to rescue these kids from their self-absorbed parents.

Snerk said...

Infidelity hurts to the core...how do you cry 1/2 day anyway?


And the very next day she went from inconsolable to being all dolled up and doing a People interview! Just my opinion, but you only get over it that easily when you've already checked out on the marriage. Notice she didn't cry when she heard about the alleged infidelity. She waited two or three months until what June 17? I think she was crying about something else that day.

She acted like a woman checked out of the marriage and having moved on through almost all of the last several months. IMO she already had someone else long before Jon. My guess would be that the someone else broke up with her on June 17 and that's why she was crying. That or her lawyer told her Jon will get 50% of their assets.

Joy in Pa said...

i pray that jon keeps it together, takes the high road and tries to get custody of the kids.
as a grandmother its so obvious the love and devotion between him and the kids and their pitiful excue for a mother and them.
she is so cold its hard not to get hypothermia just looking at her.
as someone who adores children this is very hard and sad for me to watch but i give jon credit for not being afraid to get his hands dirty.
i’ve watched the show from the beginning and he’s always done more than his share of the work.
kate gets “exhausted” from giving orders.
these kids need family desperately as in grandparents,
aunt jodi and uncle kevin, beth, the laundry folders.
they have all shown more love than their self centered mother who doesn’t give a **** about them other than the money they make for her. i pray for her as she is going to wake up one day and be a sad lonely person..

TUNDRA said...

I gotta believe Jon's family and friends, while sad for the children, are very supportive of his decision to divorce Kate. Jon is far from perfect but it's clear he's at least willing to take his share of the blame, unlike Kate who insists she was blindsided by Jon, calling him "lost" and "confused". Seriously? Kate, wake up! Jon is no longer interested in carrying your water (or purse) for you. That's going to be the bodyguard's full time job, ROTFLMAO!

TandLMommy28 said...

I think their marriage started to crumble when Kate got her way and they started fertility treatments for the second time. Jon has clearly stated time and time again that he loved his family of four, that the world we live in best suits a family of four, etc. He never wanted more than that and I think that when Kate got her way and got pregnant again, he had to realize his opinion didn't matter and that's when it started to go down hill.

Anonymomma said...

http://www.tvguide.com/news/raising-sextuplets-parents-1006812.aspx

And therein lies the problem. Them already acknowledging all of this speaks volumes. Basically, they are already fully aware of the similarities, yet they decided to do the show anyway? To me, that shows poor judgement from the get-go.

If you've seen one set of sextuplets, you've seen em all. Really, unless these kids shoot laser beams out of their eye sockets or have the ability to ride a unicycle backwards while blindfolded, you are just watching The Gosselin's all over again.

If they truly learned from KON's mistakes, they wouldn't be on the air.

Yaya said...

Quoting Joy in PA: "she is so cold its hard not to get hypothermia just looking at her."

LOL!!! This just totally sums up Khate's entire life. Well said!

Anonymomma said...

I think the marriage crumled when Jon did his homework and found out that fertility treatments were uncalled for in Kate's case.

Sorry, but I still ain't buying her PCOS BS.

MominWA said...

Does anyone else find it COMPLETELY ridiculous and disturbing that TLC is showing what looks like a light-hearted and jovial look at the last 10 years??? WTH?? "A lot can happen in 10 years"...yeah, including the breakup of a marriage. These people are not celebrating making it 10 years together, they are DIVORCING. WHAT is TLC thinking?

No, I know what they're thinking, but do ANY humans work for TLC anymore, or are they all just bots devoid of emotions or the ability to acknowledge right from wrong? I would say the latter.

Miss X said...

When I was checking out online gossip sites early Thursday, Jon & Kate were taking top billing, even over Farrah's Fawcett death.

Cici said...

Margo said "TLC Network is not obliged to keep the cutting room floor of past filming unbroadcasted. Watch and see, this will happen, IMHO. Kate will be exposed."

I've been thinking this might happen, too.

Business is business and TLC is in it to make money. TONS of people would tune in to watch an expose of Khate's uncensored cruelty. She has become the woman America loves to hate.

momof1plus1plus2 said...

I don't think Jon is lost or confused at all. I think when Kate started being gone 2/3 of the time he started seeing how much happier he would be without her.

Jon can't really blame her for the sextuplets. He could have said no. He could have refused to do his part in the IUI. I'm sure it was easier to give into Kate, I can't imagine she is fun to be around when she wants something and you say no. It could be hurtful for the kids to grow up and realize he didn't really want them to be born at first.

On the other hand, how many times have we heard Kate whine about how hard things are with the younger kids and how she mourns the simple life when it was just the twins? I can't remember which episode it was, but there was one episode where she went on and on about how nice it was when she only had two kids.

Tinydancer said...

Anonymomma said...
I think the marriage crumled when Jon did his homework and found out that fertility treatments were uncalled for in Kate's case.

Sorry, but I still ain't buying her PCOS BS

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I have been trying to have children of my own for 5+ years and was diagnosed with PCOS after about a year of trying. I havent tried fertility treatments, and I am still not sure if I ever will, but I dont think Kate is lying about that particular issue. Now, Im dont sticking up for her ;) The rest of her BS is truly BS!

JFaye said...

Can the court insist they be able to see family? Do the grandparents have any visitation rights?
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Laws vary from state to state but generally speaking, grandparents have no visitation rights. The courts presume that the grandparents will have contact with the children through their parents. It sounds like Kate has selectively involved members of her family in the children's lives. I am betting after Jon's dad died, mom-in-law was not welcome in Kate's home.

These children probably have closer relationships with the camera crew and producers from TLC as they do with their grandparents.

What insiders? It is TLC and KHATE said...

I find it in poor taste for TLC to be re-broadcasting any past show especially given the sensitivity of the matter happening right now in the Gosselin Family. I have lost all respect for TLC and I wouldn't be surprised if TLC is the "insidert" tipping of blindgossip.com or the tabloids with juicy tidbits (which can be fake or not) to keep the attention on the Gosselins instead of giving this family the privacy it strongly needs this time (with the exception of Kate whom I also wouldn't be surprised, if she is another "insider" as well - god forbid if she goes more than a day without forcing more attention onto herself.)

Jennifer P said...

You know, you live your life and you don't think about it really. You just get used to things being the way they are. But when your life is filmed and you can see day to day what's going on, it opens your eyes to stuff you've pretty much ignored.

I think when Jon saw how abusive Kate really is, how badly she treats him both physically and mentally, his eyes were opened and he realized this wasn't a marriage he wanted to stay in. He could also have been getting feedback from the TLC crew expressing shock at what he puts up with, and that made him stop and think.

SaNdY said...

Anonymomma said...
http://www.tvguide.com/news/raising-sextuplets-parents-1006812.aspx

And therein lies the problem. Them already acknowledging all of this speaks volumes. Basically, they are already fully aware of the similarities, yet they decided to do the show anyway? To me, that shows poor judgement from the get-go.

If you've seen one set of sextuplets, you've seen em all. Really, unless these kids shoot laser beams out of their eye sockets or have the ability to ride a unicycle backwards while blindfolded, you are just watching The Gosselin's all over again.

If they truly learned from KON's mistakes, they wouldn't be on the air.
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I could not agree more!! I have watched this show and this is about the third time I've commented about it, it so infuriates me that ANOTHER family is doing a 'reality' show with their tups....this comment in the TV guide article by the tup's mom, Jenny, just amazes me:

"I'm like, 'Oh my gosh, that's scary. How can we protect our family and do this and have fun without anything negative happening?' I think we're both wise enough to learn from those mistakes [of the Gosselins], instead of thinking, 'Well, that would never happen to us," Jenny told New York's Daily News

What a twit! She sounds like she's about 13 years old! As I stated before, I do not wish this family luck, they are obviously oblivious to the dangers of putting their innocent on TV for all the world to see...who will be the next family to broadcast their kids to the world???

Calgary7 said...

Heather said...
Well from what I can tell, their marriage began falling apart when Kate got pregnant with the 6. Watching those old episodes, it's pretty apparent. :(


Or was s/he hoping another baby would bring them back together again. We all know the result (6 babies!)

Pretty common tactic having another baby to rekindle a marriage, I think it rarely is successful.

MominWA said...

Tinydancer said...

I have been trying to have children of my own for 5+ years and was diagnosed with PCOS after about a year of trying. I havent tried fertility treatments, and I am still not sure if I ever will, but I dont think Kate is lying about that particular issue. Now, Im dont sticking up for her ;) The rest of her BS is truly BS!

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But they didn't even try for an entire year. They were married in June and Kate "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant, and started the treatments. Any doctor will tell you it can take up to a year for a healthy couple to conceive naturally, but Kate had fertility treatments about 6 months into her marriage. I don't really think she has PCOS, I would almost say that she attempted to get pregnant "on the sly" before she and Jon were even married, and the fact that she DIDN'T was why she "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant on their own.

I'm sorry you've been struggling. Good luck to you.

Calgary7 said...

Tinydancer said...
Anonymomma said...
"I think the marriage crumbled when Jon did his homework and found out that fertility treatments were uncalled for in Kate's case."
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I have been trying to have children of my own for 5+ years and was diagnosed with PCOS after about a year of trying. I havent tried fertility treatments, and I am still not sure if I ever will, but I dont think Kate is lying about that particular issue.


Tinydancer, I am so sorry for your diagnosis. There is an article in the WSJ about infertility treatments that may be worth having a boo
http://tinyurl.com/oppu2c

The way I see anonymama's comments is that Kate "had a feeling" she had PCOS and persuaded a physician to give her fertility treatments at a young age after only a few months of marriage.

However, it is a rare physician that takes a patient's hunches into consideration when making a diagnosis and preparing a treatment plan.

Most physicians practice "evidence based" medicine and follow guidelines published in their medical associations.

Tinydancer, I hope that against all the odds, you are successful in your dream.

just wondering said...

rachel said...

I am wondering if things were rocky when they moved into the house? Remember how Kate went into a tirade when they took a tour of the house (no furniture yet) and she told the kids that they will never, ever, under any circumstances walk into her bedroom EVER again? I always thought that was odd . . . but now I am wondering if it was in an attempt to hide their separate sleeping arrangements?

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Rocky? It was over. Jon had been sleeping in the basement of the other house, not Alexis, and TLC had to keep editing because the kids kept mentioning Daddy's bed.

konhasyoufooled said...

Cici said...

Margo said "TLC Network is not obliged to keep the cutting room floor of past filming unbroadcasted. Watch and see, this will happen, IMHO. Kate will be exposed."
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Well even if that is true do you think they would show footage that might make them look bad? I highly doubt they are going to show kate going off on 1 of the kids since they supposedly comply with all child labor laws and such. I just think it would be too big of a risk for them. Guess time will tell

KiSSy said...

If Jon and Kate had spent as much time each week in counseling and working on their marriage as they have spent (well...Kate for the most part)traveling, "spa-ing", lining up freebies and doing interviews, they might have been able to work through their issues.

I totally don't buy Kate's comment that this divorce would have happened had they been doing the show or not. That's total BS. Kate's hands would have been tied to stay with Jon as he would have been working and Kate would have had no other source of income.

I have raised 5 kids on my husband's single income and he has a job similar to Jon, so I would guess that their income is pretty close. It's a challenge to make ends meet, but not impossible. We shopped consignment stores and worked out "hand me down" deals with other families. We stretched the food budget with a minimum of processed foods and drinking mainly water instead of juices and the like.

We don't go on lots of trips, but we do find things to do locally on the cheap. Our kids qualified for scholarship assistance for sports teams fees and other local camps and classes.

Once the kids were all in school I was able to go back to work full time and life (and our budget) is a lot easier now.

5 kids...8 kids....same principles apply. Where there is a will (and a heart willing to be content with a less than perfect lifestyle) there is always a way.

Doing the show was NOT the only way they could have made it...but it was the ego stroking, glamorous way to live and that totally appealed to this family, especially Kate.

Unfortunately, they are now paying a HUGE price for their decisions. The show does NOT have to go on. A NORMAL LIFE has to go on and that is WAY more important than organic meals, trips, matching outfits, plastic surgery and makeovers.

HappyMommyAndWife said...

Anonymomma said...
Sorry, but I still ain't buying her PCOS BS
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Kate wasn't infertile, she was impatient!!!!"Trying" for 6 months is not the medical definition of infertility. Kate will say anything she wants to get what she wants.

When I went through infertility treatments, the ethical doctors at the practice I used required 1 year of timed intercourse without success and thorough medical evaluation and testing before they would even treat you. The protocols required they started you on a course of least invasive measures first...several months of clomid only, then several cycles of IUI. If those failed, they did more testing before they would even consider you for IVF treatment. Kate would have never made it through treatment at this fertility center because she couldn't push them around. It's unfortunate that there are so many fertility clinics that will do anything for the money and ignore ethical protocols.

delilahboyd said...

mommyoftwo said...

My parents have been married for 33 years, so I have no idea what it is like to go through a divorce. However, the idea of the kids staying in "their" house and the parents coming and going seems so strange to me. To me, it seems it would make the kids feel as though there is less stability.
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Excellent point!

It's like the kids live in a million dollar dormatory, and each parent comes to visit once in a while.

'Cause we all know that there will be lots of time when neither parent is there.

Poor little kids.

So sad.

Bev said...

I think the marriage was rocky from the beginning of the show (as Kevin and Jodi stated). I think the show probably kept them together longer, gave them something to focus on. Personally, I think the turning point was around the time of the Most Embarassing Moments episode when Kate truly just could not hold her tongue and Jon got visibly ticked off (as he should have). That was a very hard show to watch and I think TLC purposely revealed Kate's true colors. Her attacks on Jon were just ugly. She obviously blamed him for everything, including her own bad behavior. The episode where Mady and Cara played "parents day" was also a turning point. TLC revealed Kate's weird reinvention of herself by stating that Cara was like her and not Mady (and Jon couldn't hold back snickering at that). You could really see on that show how Kate was trying to project a different image..be somebody different. But we all knew better. She still does that. She says she has less meltdowns and is calmer now. But TLC is revealing more and more of her bizarre behavior and she is so stuck in her celebrity she doesn't see that. Kate came very close to being one but self destructed in the end. People like that usually do. I hope Jon reconnects with his family and friends and the kids aren't so isolated by Kate. She is so controlling and manipulative..it's not healthy for the kids. She's really going to be a piece of work when they get older. There's no telling what she'll do when they get their own friends and go their own way. She's going to find out quick that SHE is the one who will be shut out and pushed away.

PCOS said...

MomainWA said:

But they didn't even try for an entire year. They were married in June and Kate "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant, and started the treatments. Any doctor will tell you it can take up to a year for a healthy couple to conceive naturally, but Kate had fertility treatments about 6 months into her marriage. I don't really think she has PCOS, I would almost say that she attempted to get pregnant "on the sly" before she and Jon were even married, and the fact that she DIDN'T was why she "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant on their own.

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I have to disagree with this comment based on the fact that many women are diagnosed with PCOS early on as in the case of my sister. She was already diagnosed with PCOS and started fertility treatment right after getting married per her doctors advice. My sister was married in June and became pregnant 6 months later. The major symptom of PCOS is irregular periods (some can go several months with getting one) and even if Kate was not diagnosed with PCOS until after she married, just her history of irregular cycles would be enough for her to question if she could conceive naturally and also if she had regular gyno visits, her doctor may have already told her of her difficulty to get pregnant in the future do to her medical history. PCOS runs in my family and my older sister and two cousins have it and all three were told that they would need fertility treatments to conceive before they were married.

PCOS said...

Did not proofread my comment since I hit post so fast but I wanted to add that Kate's feeling that she could not get pregnant may have been due to her irregular cycles. PCOS can be sometimes hard to diagnose or else gynos do not always automatically test you for PCOS. For those questioning PCOS, check out I believe soulcysters.com where you can get educated on PCOS as well as read these women's struggles to even get a diagnose of PCOS.

notbuying said...

I, too, doubt Kate's diagnosis of PCOS. I think that, being a nurse, she knew what condition to claim to be the rationale for her seeking fertility treatments. She always wanted multiples, attention, and freebies. They HAD the "just one more" baby ready to go through adoption and then she abruptly changed her mind ("with much prayer and tears") and immediately went for the big numbers. The only "feeling" she had that she wouldn't get pregnant came from being promiscuous and not getting pregnant out of wedlock. I wouldn't be surprised if she used sexual manipulation on her doctor to get the fertility treatments to produce the multiples to gain the attention and freebies and prevent jon from leaving her sorry ass. she is a MASTOR manipulator.

Katie O said...

I haven't given my opinion of the divorce yet. At work, people seem to think it's a scheme, a way to get ratings up. If that's the truth, think of the ratings the "We're getting back together" show will get! I however do not believe this is a sham. People think Deanna Hummel is pregnant, which I don't buy - then J's lie of "I did not have an affair" would completely blow up in his face, and I odn't think he would take that chance.

I have a husband who is very much like Jon. I am "in charge" at our home, and part of that reason is because he went from living with his mother to living with me (similar to Jon's experience, if I remember correctly). Andrew has recently "grown a pair" in the last year or so (his words, not mine), and has really started to take charge and stand up for himself when he feels like I am making poor decisions. While I GREATLY appreciate this and love this new side of him, I imagine K had gotten used to their lifestyle and her being the one who wears the pants in the family and called all the shots. I think when they went to Utah for the first time and J got back on the slopes and felt the freedom he hadn't felt in so long, he finally started taking stands to get his life where it should always have been. I'm not talking about the freedom from the kids, but freedom from an overbearing wife who constantly degraded him and made him feel less of himself; almost a form of abuse in my opinion.

While I do admire J for finally standing up for himself, he hasn't stood up for his children. But maybe that's the next step in him rediscovering himself......or maybe it's a 23-year-old who is probably as fertile as a rabbit.

I don't want to buy People Magazine to read KHate's article. Someone said it was scanned - is the URL available? Will the mods be putting it on the front page?

my2cents said...

Kate wasn't infertile, she was impatient!!!!"Trying" for 6 months is not the medical definition of infertility. Kate will say anything she wants to get what she wants.

Kate herself has said that they
( J & K and fertility doc) decided to go ahead with fertility treatments 'just in case it would take a long time for her to get pregnant'.

ittakestwo said...

Calgary7 said...
Heather said...
Well from what I can tell, their marriage began falling apart when Kate got pregnant with the 6. Watching those old episodes, it's pretty apparent. :(

Or was s/he hoping another baby would bring them back together again. We all know the result (6 babies!)

Pretty common tactic having another baby to rekindle a marriage, I think it rarely is successful.

6/27/2009 9:22 PM

Let's not forget the timing of past interviews where J & K were hinteding that they were interested in to adopting a 'Korean baby' because 'they always wanted to know what it was like to HAVE just one child'. IMO, consider the timing of those interviews and what is known today about the J & K marriage being in trouble for 'quite some time', did J & K actually believe that bringing another child in to al already stressful environment was going 'fix everything'?

GAmom said...

In watching this all unfold, I wonder if it's possible that Jon is smarter than he's given credit for. Could he have set this whole thing up by "planting" the story of Kate telling him to leave with Kevin and Jodi, hoping they would leak it? Not a Kate fan by any stretch, but I wonder if this whole mess is more complex than we could ever guess...

MominWA said...

PCOS said...
I have to disagree with this comment based on the fact that many women are diagnosed with PCOS early on as in the case of my sister. She was already diagnosed with PCOS and started fertility treatment right after getting married per her doctors advice. My sister was married in June and became pregnant 6 months later. The major symptom of PCOS is irregular periods (some can go several months with getting one) and even if Kate was not diagnosed with PCOS until after she married, just her history of irregular cycles would be enough for her to question if she could conceive naturally and also if she had regular gyno visits, her doctor may have already told her of her difficulty to get pregnant in the future do to her medical history. PCOS runs in my family and my older sister and two cousins have it and all three were told that they would need fertility treatments to conceive before they were married

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I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
I believe that is true for other women with PCOS. Given Kate's track record, I personally do not believe she had PCOS or any other form of infertility.

Oh...and don't assume I know nothing about PCOS simply because I believe that Kate did not/does not have it. Doesn't mean I'm uneducated on the subject. Thanks.

Emmy said...

ittakestwo said...
Pretty common tactic having another baby to rekindle a marriage, I think it rarely is successful.
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I think many women in shakey marriages have another baby in the hope that this will guilt-trip daddy into staying -- mama being so helpless and dependent and all with a brand-new baby.

The other reason women do it, IMO, is that babies adore their mothers unconditionally. Once a kid hits the terrible twos, the love is harder to come by -- you have to earn it because even a 2y/o knows who's fun and who's not. For Kate, that would involve getting off her plastic throne and doing something other than shouting orders. So much easier to pop a few more!

theytooktheeasywayout said...

Jon & Kate Gosselin: A Family Tragedy Times Eight

Interesting.

Sue said...

It seems to me that if the story about Kate telling Jon that the marriage was over and his signing a contract that he was free date other women was not true, she would have denied it vehemently as she did about her rumoured affair with Steve. I think the fact she hasn't denied it means that there is a contract somewhere.

ManicNarcissism said...

Ga mom,

This has occurred to me too. That is why I don't know for sure if I believe the contract or Steve rumors completely. I feel like I just don't know, could be true could be complete fabrication.

I believe that jodi and Kevin believe it and that Jon did tell them that, but I'm just not sure.

I think Jon is suspect in telling them true or not. I believe that he knew he could not come out with it so he leaked it to jodi and Kevin so that if they needed to that they could.
I also have been wondering why Jon is the one who went for media counseling. I feel like if we knew the story behind that a lot of these pieces would come together.

I've also spent some time thinking about this whole thing if Kate did not ever mention divorce, there is no contract, and she never slept with Steve.

Most accounts of Jon either saying she was with Steve or that their marriage was over and Jon was free to date around obviously came from Jon. Now it could be true but it could also be he was lying.

If none of it is true, then Jon is truly to blame for the end of this family.

I don't know what to believe and I wonder if we will ever know the real truth? Don't confuse me for newbie sheeple, just playing devil's advocate.

ManicNarcissism said...

I don't think those links will go through.
Just do a search for us weekly scans and Kate gosselin. You'll find them.

Sue in PA said...

Katie O said...
While I do admire J for finally standing up for himself, he hasn't stood up for his children.
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My thoughts also. I am hoping, that especially being away from the situation, coming back to spend time with the kids opens his eyes to the reality of THEIR situation.

Jacelynn said...

Seems to me Jon isn't quite the catch some like to believe he is. Im not sure why he is so supported he cares for the money more than his children and he didn't treat Kate all that great either....... And I agree that their marriage began falling apart when they got pregnant with 6 but Jon isn't innocent in that. If he really didn't want to try again he didn't have to, its a voluntary thing.......

PCOS said...

sorry MominWA if you "assumed" my comment was directed at you as that was not the case it was made as there are many here who may not be aware of PCOS which is why I indicated in my post that those who are questioning PCOS can become educated at soulcysters.com which is fabulous site. I do agree that we can agree to disagree.

Dee said...

mommyoftwo said...
the idea of the kids staying in "their" house and the parents coming and going seems so strange to me. To me, it seems it would make the kids feel as though there is less stability....
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I kind of agree, On the other hand, if the kids stay in the same house they know thats a constant. They know they won't have to always be packing/unpacking and they'll always be going to the same school and have the same morning routine. Like you, I had parents that stayed married (56+ years) so the whole divorce thing is sad and a little strange to me. Not saying it's not justified at times - just think it must difficult, and even more so when children are involved.

Silimom said...

Have to support PCOS - my sister in law had irregular periods. Her OB-GYN at Kaiser that she had seen for years put her on fertility drugs as soon as she said she wanted to try getting pregnant (She'd been on the pill prior to that to help regulate her cycle and because they weren't ready to have kids). She didn't have to wait at all. It wasn't until after they adopted their first child that she got pregnant.

Whether Kate could or could not get pregnant only God knows. I think the point that is trying to be made is that for some women with a history of irregular periods and a long term medical relationship with their doctor, being put on drugs right away with no waiting period isn't uncommon.

As for Kate, she could have been making up the whole irregular period story or not. However it happened, the kids are here and need people to advocate for them.

too much said...

Enough about the PCOS already.
Lets get back to helping the children. Its about them.

alaboiss13 said...

In regards to the children staying in their home while the parents rotate in and out - many courts are favoring this option now as it has proven to provide more stability for the children. Instead of everything being divided into this is mommy's and this is daddy's their environment stays the same.

sugarjay said...

But they didn't even try for an entire year. They were married in June and Kate "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant, and started the treatments. Any doctor will tell you it can take up to a year for a healthy couple to conceive naturally, but Kate had fertility treatments about 6 months into her marriage. I don't really think she has PCOS, I would almost say that she attempted to get pregnant "on the sly" before she and Jon were even married, and the fact that she DIDN'T was why she "just had a feeling" she wouldn't be able to get pregnant on their own.
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I have always wondered if Kate had been trying to get pregnant all along without Jon knowing about it. The idea of seeing a fertility specialist when you have never tried to conceive is very weird. It makes more sense that she was TTC and couldn't understand why it wasn't working. It would be easy to pretend to be on the pill or something. There was also that guy she lived with before Jon who sold his story to the Enquirer. His kid is named Madalynn, that's an interesting coincidence isn't it? It seems like they discussed baby names at some point, JMO.

I don't think it's weird that there's been no marriage counselling. Can you imagine Kate in counselling? She has a serious problem with taking responsibility for her actions and she'd blow off any advice the therapist gave her because he doesn't have 8 kids.

It's just so ridiculous that Kate would bash tabloids for having them on the cover for her kids to see and then turn around and give an interview to People about how her children reacted to the news of their parents divorcing, if that's not the pot and the kettle I don't know what is. But what can you expect from someone who complains about the paparazzi and then goes walking around in front of them wearing a too small bikini with her ass and boob job hanging out? I guess she thought she was being incognito with the hat that day.

Sue in PA said...

Jacelynn said...
Seems to me Jon isn't quite the catch some like to believe he is. Im not sure why he is so supported he cares for the money more than his children and he didn't treat Kate all that great either....... And I agree that their marriage began falling apart when they got pregnant with 6 but Jon isn't innocent in that. If he really didn't want to try again he didn't have to, its a voluntary thing.......

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I don't think any of us think he is a catch! Far fropm it. It's just between Kate and Jon, he seems to care more about the kids. So, if we are to put home into one of the two to eventually do right by the kids, I think a lot of people think it will be Kate that comes around before Jon.

Dianna said...

too much said...

Enough about the PCOS already.
Lets get back to helping the children. Its about them.
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I totally agree. Sometimes the nitpicking gets to be a little too much.

abbra said...

I hope Jon won't alienate his mother and family from the children anymore. It must be a real heartbreaker for Grandma Gosselin not to even really know her grandkids if Kate forbid Jon from bringing the kids to visit her.
Especially after Jons father died. They could have been a comfort to her.

SaNdY said...

Dee said...
mommyoftwo said...
the idea of the kids staying in "their" house and the parents coming and going seems so strange to me. To me, it seems it would make the kids feel as though there is less stability....
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I kind of agree, On the other hand, if the kids stay in the same house they know thats a constant. They know they won't have to always be packing/unpacking and they'll always be going to the same school and have the same morning routine. Like you, I had parents that stayed married (56+ years) so the whole divorce thing is sad and a little strange to me. Not saying it's not justified at times - just think it must difficult, and even more so when children are involved.
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Although I do not have any first hand experience with divorce and how it impacts kids, (thank goodness) IMO I would have to say that having the kids stay in the house while the parents shuttle in and out seems to be the best solution for all...this whole situation has to be extremely difficult even under the best circumstances (best would be when soon-to-be-ex spouses agree to work together for the sake of their kids) and sad....I think that, unfortunately, there is no ideal solution for these kids that are forced to go through a divorce along with their parents...these kids may have material things, vacations, crooked houses and the like, but, unfortunately, I believe they also have 2 of the most selfish parents imaginable....

mom2threecuties said...

Bev said...
"Personally, I think the turning point was around the time of the Most Embarassing Moments episode when Kate truly just could not hold her tongue and Jon got visibly ticked off (as he should have). That was a very hard show to watch..."

I agree. That episode was really sad and showed a lot of animosity between them. Another episode that stood out to me was the one when they returned to the condo where they stayed while the tups were in the NICU. Kate was really crying when talking about how their life used to be so simple. I think the marriage was ending at about that time.

SaNdY said...

too much said...
Enough about the PCOS already.
Lets get back to helping the children. Its about them.
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I couldn't agree more...I know this PCOS conversation is a part of trying to figure out Kate and her many issues, problems, and schemes, but it can go on and on forever with no real progress...we may never figure this one out unless Jon writes his tell-all book...but what's done is done, let's move on and focus on the kids and what is going on now.....

Laura Q. Stone said...

alaboiss13 said...
In regards to the children staying in their home while the parents rotate in and out - many courts are favoring this option now as it has proven to provide more stability for the children. Instead of everything being divided into this is mommy's and this is daddy's their environment stays the same.



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I understand this theory and it very well may be better for children of divorced parents. However, I cant help but get a disturbing feeling about it. Like the Dion quints living in the nursery specifically for them and all the production, tourism. When or if(I am not sure) their parents visited them it was in this nursery, that to me was more like a facillity/zoo. The Gosselin kids staying in the home they are use to is great but parents, TLC crew coming in and out... Most likely rotating nannies as well, is weird to me. Plus that house is most likely a studio or a TV set, with all the lighting, camera's etc...And lets not forget the "p-people" out front at all times taking pictures

Am I the only one who can see all the simularities to the Dions? Especially, with all the talk about "This is the kids house, we bought it for them.."

gail said...

me again, :)

According to the People magazine article Jon had wanted the divorce for quite some time. Doesn't say how long.

One of my pet peeves is lying/deceiving.

I feel betrayed by the Jon and Kate.

I feel silly saying I feel betrayed by a reality TV couple.

Guess, I'm mad at myself for 'buying' into the happy large family.

Oh, The Momma said...

I wonder if things turned after the passing of jon's dad? I vaguely remember there being some sort of drama on kate's part? Can't recall exactly but something sling the lines of Jin being allowed to go to the funeral - but it had to be a quick exit -- so something like that? Maybe so
done elses memory is better than mine?

It seemed like Jon was close to his dad and I can see that situation causing a wake up call about life?

Snerk said...

I am confused as to how the shooting of an episode would take three or more days.


I have a daughter who works in the business. She said if things go well it average 2.5 hours per minute of usable film. If things aren't going well it takes FOUR hours or more per minute. So while things look like they are done in one day on the show and the "characters" may say one day, they really aren't. Because of lighting, repeated set up and take down, driving time, etc, things are filmed in stages and take days and days to get it all. In the most recent episode it probably took two or three days to unload and set up all the houses. The picnic could have been a different day along with the a lot of the play in the houses was obviously at a different time as the kids' clothes kept changing.

The couch sessions were quite edited as there were two or three different outfits each for Jon and Kate.

They used to be much more concerned about hiding the different days for filming and was one reason for Kate's clothing freakouts. They would film them packing or getting ready to leave to go somewhere a day or two days after the actual event!

sugarjay said...

alaboiss13 said...
In regards to the children staying in their home while the parents rotate in and out - many courts are favoring this option now as it has proven to provide more stability for the children. Instead of everything being divided into this is mommy's and this is daddy's their environment stays the same.

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I seriously doubt the arrangement will last for long. I think that's Kate's way of not having to buy Jon out of the McMansion for now. Remember, this is the person who was saying "mine, all mine" about the property. I don't believe for one second that she has any plans on sharing it with Jon. But then, I also think that Kate is in for a rude awakening by the time the divorce is settled.

SundayRose said...

Oh The Momma, I have the details on Jon's Dad's funeral. Jon wanted to go somewhere to talk with his brothers immediately following the funeral and burial of their Dad. Kate said NO and became angry! Kate said she could not be left to handle the children by herself, even for that short period of time. Unbelievably heartless and callous.

Carrie said...

Has it been posted yet where Kate stayed this weekend? I am sure that the "Pap" followed her. I was just curious. Hmmm...my guess would be Motel 8...how fitting...LITERALLY!!! (LOL)

Annette said...

May I remind everyone that the focus needs to be on the kids. I have written the sponcers for the show which can be found on another site trying to bring light to this situation. I have written emails to TLC, Discovery Channel, Time Warner (our cable company) to say I will no longer watch and Kept it nice and to the point. This is how we can help the show get canceled and maybe help the kids have a childhood. Please focus on letters, emails, to the network and sponcers. Thanks and I love this site. Bottom line is Kate filed for divorce and on TLC at the bottom of jk8 is a statement they will no longer make public statements. Damage control...
God bless the 8 kids!

Oh, The Momma said...

SundayRose said...
Oh The Momma, I have the details on Jon's Dad's funeral. Jon wanted to go somewhere to talk with his brothers immediately following the funeral and burial of their Dad. Kate said NO and became angry! Kate said she could not be left to handle the children by herself, even for that short period of time. Unbelievably heartless and callous

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thank you! I believe that wasthe first time (now that my memory is refreshed) that I saw kate's nastiness as more than just j&k banter. I remember thinking "omg! The poor guys father had passed. Wth?". It was about that same time that I became aware of the people they had helping them and just couldn't make her being that cold make
sense. Definitely would make ME take a hard look at MY marriage if my husband would treat me like that in such a situation!! Can you say "aunt Jodi?". Simple request for help at a time like that -- I bet there were plenty of people who wouldve stepped up to help with the kids so that Jon could grieve and reflect with his family!!

Where ARE jon's brothers? Here? Hawaii? How many does he have?

Mary said...

I was wondering does anyone know who the lady was blonde hair is that gma Janet? Who was the asian girl playing with the kids and I hope the white suv with the little boy were school friends. I hope the kids are aloud to have friends over on the days they don't film. The lights are perminate in the house for the show, this is not normal. The crew is prob seen more than the family. I wonder where Kate goes on her days away. I don't think its pleasent for Jon on this days with the kids. can you imagine Kate complaining about everything Jon did wrong while she was gone. Oh my goodness. I pray the kids will one day very soon have a normal life. I wish the pap would leave them alone and the parents stop doing interviews. I have a feeling when the story that Jon was writtin a tell all book Kate almost had a heart attack. LOL

Oh, The Momma said...

I wonder if things turned after the passing of jon's dad? I vaguely remember there being some sort of drama on kate's part? Can't recall exactly but something sling the lines of Jin being allowed to go to the funeral - but it had to be a quick exit -- so something like that? Maybe so
done elses memory is better than mine?

It seemed like Jon was close to his dad and I can see that situation causing a wake up call about life?

Naj said...

alaboiss13 said...
In regards to the children staying in their home while the parents rotate in and out - many courts are favoring this option now as it has proven to provide more stability for the children. Instead of everything being divided into this is mommy's and this is daddy's their environment stays the same.
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Kids need routines, consistancy and the feeling of safety they get from sleeping in the same bed, taking a bath in the same tub, sitting at the same table in the same chair each night.

Even though older kids can handle, and enjoy weeks away from home, younger ones do way better with a very consistant world. With a divorce disrupting their emotional world, disrupting their physical world is an unneeded stressor.

Emmy said...

abbra said...
I hope Jon won't alienate his mother and family from the children anymore. It must be a real heartbreaker for Grandma Gosselin not to even really know her grandkids if Kate forbid Jon from bringing the kids to visit her.
Especially after Jons father died. They could have been a comfort to her.

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I don't live in PA, so don't know for sure, but unless the relatives had a criminal record or something, I'm pretty sure Kate couldn't stop him from taking the kids to visit grandparents, aunts, uncles, or anyone else he wanted them to see.

Anybody know for sure?

Heather said...

Here's a quote from the "Raising Sextuplets" article that I think sums up Jon & Kate so well:

"[Jon & Kate Plus 8] has really changed who those people are. It went from being a show about people who have sextuplets and twins to a show about people who have a show. Neither of them even work anymore," Bryan said.

No comment on another family doing a show about their multiples, but I do think that's a perfect quote.

It is what it is said...

It wasn't a rumor about Jon sleeping in the basement at the old house. One of the kids made mention about "Daddy's bed" down there, and it was downplayed.
Its been mentioned several times before, so no one made that one up.

Bells said...

THANK YOU about the whole "Alexis was sleeping down in the basement thing". I remember last year seeing that episode and thinking WTF, who lets a 3 year-old sleep down in a basement by herself. And it's not like there wasn't a million things she could have gotten into down there being alone. That always rang really weird with me. The only thing I can think that somewhat backs it up is on "movie" night when the whole fam was down there alexis did freak out when one of the other girls laid on "her" bed but now that I think about it, it could have been she was lying there before and in the voiceover keight acted like she was upset because she slept down there at night..right.

Really both of them are such liars, so is TLC, the original crew ALL OF THEM. It was a snow job from the first special and I seriously hope they get what's coming to them and those kids gets some REAL peace.

Heather said...

All the conspiracy theories are making me dizzy.

RachelK said...

I don't know where in the post this is... but someone said Kate was sleeping around trying to get pregnant before she met Jon.

Some of the "theories" I've seen are getting to be entirely outlandish. What proof do you have of that? There are enough things that we know have really happened, made up things don't need to be added to the mix.

getting back to what should be the focus here... Those poor children. I think that Kate needs to spend more time with them and relax on this stupid bib rule... they are 5! Mady and Cara weren't wearing bibs at that age. They would go to the grocery store and help push the carts. The tups seem very behind developmentally because of all the things they are not allowed to do.

Hopefully when they are with Jon, he lets them be children and get dirty. And I think with all these babysitters and "not nannies" that they have, they might have hired someone who would help the tups with learning and becoming more independent.

MaryKate said...

Not many people who divorce can afford to keep the house with the kids in it and then have their own separate residences. Most homes are sold upon a divorce and, unfortunately, most women are left to fend for themselves and the children in way different living arrangements. J&K are fortunate because even with 8 kids they are still wealthy enough to maintain a home for their family as well as a separate residence for themselves. That is why I cannot relate to them, they are not the norm.

Can't See Sheep said...

Calgary7 said...
However, it is a rare physician that takes a patient's hunches into consideration when making a diagnosis and preparing a treatment plan.

Most physicians practice "evidence based" medicine and follow guidelines published in their medical associations.
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My mom's friend a a head nurse & she commented on this way back when it first showed on TV. She said the doctor was not dealing with just any patient, they were dealing with what is supposed to be a fellow medical professional & as such they have a tendency to believe them no matter how much they shouldn't.

She said it would be very easy for K8 to wander in and tell the doc that she'd been diagosed with PCOS & they would have simply gone from there. apparantly it's been done many times before on things of greater importance than this, one medical professional taking another medical professional at their word. They are trying to nip this behavior in the butt because very terrible things have happened, like the doctors that have later been caught as serial killers and so on. She says it's a very terrilbe flaw of the medical profession, some docotrs still get upset when she double checks information given to her by other doctors and nurses. She also said if it is what happened it's wrong because the doctor should have treated her like any other patient and run tests and o hold her to the same time frame that he would hold any other couple to.

Also she stated that any nurse would know what the factors were and how to manipulate things in favor of getting more than one baby. She believes that Ms. Gosselin had twins, was disappointed at getting only twins, went back & got things over stimulated, she says she doesn't know how Kate as a nurse couldn't have known what stood a good chance of happening & that if she didn't want a whole litter of kids she should have waited longer rather than going back over stimulated. XShe said the whole thing just smacks of conniving and deception. This is not just another patient, this is another medical, supposed...(cough) professional.

Marie France said...

Oh, The Momma said...
I wonder if things turned after the passing of jon's dad? I vaguely remember there being some sort of drama on kate's part? Can't recall exactly but something sling the lines of Jin being allowed to go to the funeral - but it had to be a quick exit -- so something like that? Maybe so
done elses memory is better than mine?

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On the day of Jon's dad's funeral (after the actual funeral was over), Jon and his brothers, Tom and Mark, all wanted to go out to spend some time together. Khate would not hear of it. She screamed and bitched and acted like a shre demanding that Jon come home immediately to take care of the kids. Dr. Gosselin died in January 2005, so the tups would have been about 9 months old and the twins about 4 and a half. They had a whole "staff" of helpers, so what was the big deal for Jon to spend some quality time with his brothers after they had just left the funeral??? Khate is an evil, narcissistic shrew. Jon had to come home and could not go with Tom and Mark. But she was a bitch long before that. When she was pregnant with the tups, Dr. Gosselin brought her lunch everyday. Well, one day, he was a little late, so Khate got in the car and went to Jon's work (the cabinet place) and pitched a major fit. I hate this woman. She is a terrible wife and and even worse mother!!!!

Jeannie T said...

alaboiss13 said...
In regards to the children staying in their home while the parents rotate in and out - many courts are favoring this option now as it has proven to provide more stability for the children. Instead of everything being divided into this is mommy's and this is daddy's their environment stays the same.

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This would surely be my preference. Those little kids need to have a place that is their home, not moms place or not dads place --- the kids home.

They earned it! As Kate said: "They deserve it!"

Maybe in this case, Kate said something that makes sense. Those little kids surely do deserve a wonderful house. I know they would prefer a wonderful HOME. They deserve that most of all.

But it would be difficult to have that many beds and belongings in more than one place. Not impossible, but I think them being in their own home is best.

Finally, do what truly is BEST for the kids.

I'm just saying..... said...

Annette: May I remind you that if you are going to write letters and e-mails you really need to use spell check. Please. Thanks for the reminder of what our focus should be, but we are all adults here and sometimes we like to comment on whatever concers us although I do believe all of us care deeply about the children. Thanks again!

(0_o) said...

I am so sorry Kate Gosselin. I just celebrated my 18th wedding anniversary. 18 years!!! We have struggled through poverty, infertility, child rearing, no help and lots and lots of love!

I do not feel sorry for you. Anyone could have done it.....my cat included!

God Bless our cat Oakley!!

TUNDRA said...

Is there any truth to the rumors Kate was looking for more money from TLC per episode?

just wondering said...

SundayRose said...


Where ARE jon's brothers? Here? Hawaii? How many does he have?

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Jon has two brothers, Tom and Mark. The last I heard they were still local. I believe Mark is in Reading and Tom is a coach at St. Mary's.

Roseliza said...

Mary said...
I was wondering does anyone know who the lady was blonde hair is that gma Janet? Who was the asian girl playing with the kids


Yup, the older woman is Nana Janet who used to live next to the Gosselin's at their old house and folded their laundry for them.

The Asian girl with the kids is their nanny. I'm pretty sure she's the one who Kate said, "didn't want to be on the show".
Ha, I doubt this nanny is too concerned about being seen on TV since she's been seen in a million paparazzi photos. It's more like Kate didn't want her getting paid, ala kicking Jodi off the show.

ihatethisshow said...

Oh The Momma, I have the details on Jon's Dad's funeral. Jon wanted to go somewhere to talk with his brothers immediately following the funeral and burial of their Dad. Kate said NO and became angry! Kate said she could not be left to handle the children by herself, even for that short period of time. Unbelievably heartless and callous.------------------


i was married to someone like that as well... when my younger brother married, we travled 8 hours for the big day..afterwards, my family (who i only saw once a yr-without my hubby, he couldn't be bothered) was going out to eat and visit, my hubby said no and we drove straight back after the ceremony. it was another nail in the coffin for my marriage. i stayed in that marriage far too long. i did whatever it took to keep the peace. looking back, i should have stood up for myself in the very beginning. jon should have too.

Pilgrim Soul said...

Whether or not Kate has PCOS and was advised to have fertility treatments doesn't explain why a 22 year old and a 24 year old would rush into having children so quickly, especially when they have such rocky finances... Some women with PCOS do get pregnant naturally. Why not wait a year and see what happens? What was the rush to have children at such a tender age, generally speaking? Not that I have anything against stable couples who take this road and can pull it off. Kudos to them. It's nice to have young parents (having been both a young and an old parent myself!)

Laurie said...

The kids may have a house but it has been a long time since they had a home. How very sad for them.

Greed comes in all sizes said...

Tundra, Not only did Kate ASK for more money per episode, but its been reported that she actually GOT it. Her price went from $75,000
to $150,000!! Yes, TLC agreed, or Kate said that she'd not do season 5.

Swagger said...

Love hurts, Divorce hurts men more

Kate wanted a captive audience she owns it, like it or not. Jon not so much now.

Was it infidelity? Who knows, We know its a no fault divorce and apparently neither have reputations (or the hurt) to sue the other on grounds of adultry.

The rotating home: No way is this going to work unless court appointed guardians are "live-ins" and Kate and Jon are moved out. Custody is managed by guardians. Visits are pre-arranged. Guardians have signed papers from parents for health, education, ect. purposes.

Without court appointed live-in mediators the "house" will not be neutral common territory. If Kate or John has primary live-in ownership the other will be second fiddle to the other and the kids will know it. No way will one parent trust the other unless the court or guardians have the final word.

The Gosselin networth went from essentialy nothing to estimate $10 million in 5 years all clear. The money doesn't make the Gosselin celebrities. Fans are not going to flock to Gosselin Paradise in 30 years to "see" where the great Gosslen's raised the 8.

These celebrities do not even know each other as a family anymore. Neither have the accumen or clevbrity to sustain their current lifestyle without the support of the show. The money was media welfare and public curosity to keep the family healthy and happy. Move over Martha Stewart the big momma is available and she has a audience of 8 and ratings.

I see TLC has already found another family of tups. Hopefully this family's virtues include humble pie.

If heaven/hell has TIVO/DVR for a persons life then a clear picture of "did TLC get J&K plus 8 right?", or was TLV holding out on the audience or were the editors clueless."

just wondering said...

I'm pretty sure that's Mark out playing frisbee with Jon and the kids in the yard.

Shoka's Snoot. said...

I'm fascinated by the fakery of the show--how it wasn't reality at all. The extent of that is the most troubling to me. I have some examples of how things were faked. Can anyone add more, or correct me if I'm wrong?:

1. Didn't pay for anything, including things they said they budgeted for, like American Girl dolls and food at Giant.

2. Didn't celebrate Christmas at Christmas, any mention of that edited out. Probably other holidays, too.

3. Episodes about a "special day" were actually several days, and everyone had to change back into clothes accordingly. (This would explain mania about stains--a stain in one scene but not in another taking place later--big continuity error.)

4. Living in new house/ had dogs months before they supposedly did. Pretended dogs were for Christmas.

5. Things and family traditions they did not their idea. Everything suggested by TLC, including trip to Hawaii, playing games and thanking volunteers.

6. Many unseen staff doing most housework and cooking that Kate whined was so hard for her to do.

7.And, of course, marriage in serious trouble, seriously covered up. Not living "as man and wife" for most of series, or at least, not getting along. Bad arguments and behavior on her part covered up. Jon and Kate told to hug each other, re-film shots in yesterday's clothes, and snuggle on couch.

Anything I missed?

Tired said...

"UnOrganicManic said...
Now the kids have 4 Crooked Houses and 1 crooked mansion and 2 crooked parents. All for them of course, lucky rugrats. Kate is left only with a crooked hair cut."

TOOOO FUNNY!!!!!

Paige said...

"Have we discussed who is pregnant yet? Kate or Deanna? Did Jon have a v-ectomy? I know Kate has some kind of problem but it sometimes happens that women with fertility problems end up getting pregnant on their own.

If Deanna is pregnant it would explain the filing of papers by Kate."
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Whoa, I missed this one! Where did this come from?

Josie said...

Paige said...

"Have we discussed who is pregnant yet? Kate or Deanna? Did Jon have a v-ectomy? I know Kate has some kind of problem but it sometimes happens that women with fertility problems end up getting pregnant on their own.

If Deanna is pregnant it would explain the filing of papers by Kate."
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Whoa, I missed this one! Where did this come from?

6/29/2009 9:35 AM
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that blind gossip items said someone was EITHER PREGNANT OR HAD A STD....everyone jumped on the bandwagon guessing that Deanna might be preggars...but I am betting on the STD..but IDK if it is Jon or Kate that has it

Robin said...

gail said...

I wonder when the marriage actually began falling apart. At what time did Jon want out?


My opinion, it started immediately after they were married, when Kate insisted on getting pregnant. She was 24. What was her hurry? Suddenly Jon, in his early 20s with no education and a low-level job, was father to not one but two. He stuck with it, but I bet you he already felt regret of what he'd gotten into. Then Kate, ignoring and uncaring about Jon's wishes, insisted on getting pregnant again, and suddenly Jon was going to be father to six more.

He watched his sexy bride turn into the nosecone of a B52, and I bet you after the tups were born and she had that deflated parachute hanging from her midsection, sex was the last thing on Jon's mind when he looked at her. And who knows if Kate even wanted him to touch her at that point? She had gotten what she wanted, multiple babies. I'm sure if the show hadn't come along, Jon would've been out the door.

I believe at the time the show started Jon had already checked out of the marriage in his mind. For all anyone knows he had affairs back then, but he was reasonably discreet and the tabloids weren't lurking over his shoulder. Honestly, from the beginning of the episodic series, Jon and Kate never acted like a committed married couple. There were always signs, always something "off" in the way they related. I think they were scamming the public about their marriage just like they were scamming about their financial status. Their marriage was as much of a lie as everything else. And if Jon hadn't got caught, they would still be lying about it.

Jon's bar-hopping was not the pivotal point, it was when his affair with Deanna broke. And my opinion is it was Deanna who leaked the info to the tabloids, probably thinking it was the way to get Jon to leave Kate for her.

Also, wonder why they didn't take a chance at counseling.

Interesting that these two supposed Christians haven't turned to their pastor for counseling. In fact they don't even mention God or Church anymore.

tigerfan said...

Swagger said ( in part)

The rotating home: No way is this going to work unless court appointed guardians are "live-ins" and Kate and Jon are moved out. Custody is managed by guardians. Visits are pre-arranged. Guardians have signed papers from parents for health, education, ect. purposes.

Without court appointed live-in mediators the "house" will not be neutral common territory. If Kate or John has primary live-in ownership the other will be second fiddle to the other and the kids will know it. No way will one parent trust the other unless the court or guardians have the final word.

I absolutely agree. While 'in theory', the 'revolving door' arrangement appears to be a 'solution' in the best interest of the children, many divorce/family lawyers will contest to the fact that this type of an arrangement has the potential to be more damaging to the emotional and mental well being /stability of the children/home than not.

Bells said...

"6. Many unseen staff doing most housework and cooking that Kate whined was so hard for her to do."

That was one of the first things I caught on to last year when I discovered the show. The endless "Make a meal, clean up a meal". Cleaning up maybe (as in throwing away paper plates and putting juice cups in the dishwasher) but other then the supposedly Saturday pancake breakfast making or waffles we NEVER saw kate actually make a meal. If you looked at the counter when it was time to serve dinner she was always taking food out of covered dishes. Even the twins did this when they were "mommy" for a day. Yeah kate would have to either put the food together on the plate for serving or throw it in the oven but I seriously doubt she actually cooked at all. And sorry, to me making pancakes, waffles or "all day" soup making which is basically just simmering stuff on an oven..yeah more lies by the "realest" reality show.

PlayingWithFire said...

Politicians.

If couple are going to have fertility treatments and the outcome is multiples then the parents need to show have to show means to support it.

Welfare from family, media, or government puts too much burden on the kids and parents.

Go team Gosselin Kids.

Mystical said...

Robin said, "Interesting that these two supposed Christians haven't turned to their pastor for counseling. In fact they don't even mention God or Church anymore."
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No, Kate doesn't mention church anymore. It's because Kate knows her days of scamming the naive' churches for money are history. It was all centered around cash vs. religion/faith. Kate's drive is to use people and organizations to fill her pockets.

rosie said...

They wouldn't DARE use the word GOD anymore for ANY reason, or they'll really get blasted.

Jen K said...

As someone with PCOS (I know some of you don't care about the topic, but we talk about all kinds of things here...some interest me, others don't so I scroll) nearly any reputable doctor who is dealing with a reputable (i.e. not lying) patient, will recommend treatments to fix the PCOS well before any talk of infertility treatments happen. Clearly, as someone mentioned, Kate knew what to say to grease the wheels with Jon and the doctor.

At 24 years old, barely married a year, doctors will try treatment first. It's less expensive (usually covered by insurance) and usually (not always) works! Medications, surgery, even changes to diet and exercise can help with the symptoms and get the body back on track. That's why I call BS on PCOS and whatever story she used. I think Jon has learned, probably by reading message boards about them, that he was duped. She probably never had it, because if she did, she would have had no trouble getting treatment and trying that rather inexpensive method first.

My opinion: she wanted multiples, the more the better, so badly that she would say and do anything. I think this will come out in a tell-all by Jon or someone else close to the situation.

ihatethisshow said...

Tundra, Not only did Kate ASK for more money per episode, but its been reported that she actually GOT it. Her price went from $75,000
to $150,000!! Yes, TLC agreed, or Kate said that she'd not do season 5.
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but this was BEFORE all the s*** hit the fan. I am sure tlc has clauses out their wa-zoo if they want to get out of this.
as long as they are married, it is community property...
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i was watching an old epi this morning, dont know which one it was titled (only saw a few minutes)..aideen is sick, he is trying to barf in a trash can, all the other kids are standing around staring, kate says..'you guys i don't think he needs an audience'...and she wasnt referring to the cameras! what a bad mother--she is in it for the cash those kids generate and nothing else.

just wondering said...

Robin said...

Jon's bar-hopping was not the pivotal point, it was when his affair with Deanna broke. And my opinion is it was Deanna who leaked the info to the tabloids, probably thinking it was the way to get Jon to leave Kate for her.

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That is not true. Deanna did not leak the story. I have an email from Jason telling me that he was shopping this story to TMZ dated April 8th.

They finally caught the pair with the cameras on April 28th.

Sue in PA said...

Fact or Fiction said...
Enough already said:

This is gossip taken straight from the tabloids and should be acknowledged as such, rather than written as factual information.

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I am so glad that you said thi as the majority of the info posted on this site is taken directly from the tabloids but yet although we should take that info with a grain of salt, instead people believe it to be 100% factual.

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And what can we NOT take with a grain of salt. I know that everything Kate says I take that way. I'm not sure how you say what is fact and what isn't.

kaitlinsnana said...

Bells said...

"6. Many unseen staff doing most housework and cooking that Kate whined was so hard for her to do."
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Yea, make a meal, clean up a meal, yadda, yadda. I'm trying to remember Kate EVER making a meal. We saw Jon doing breakfast several times, and Jon making the Asian meal. Does anyone remember Kate cooking?

Kate made a point of saying when their problems became public that "Jon has help now", which suggest that he had previously done it alone while Kate promoted the book. After seeing her hound Jon unmercifully about not using a coupon for a purchase you can guess that she didn't want to pay for additional help. Also, in the old house one of Kate's ugliest scenes was on the car port when she yelled at Jon for playing with the kids; he accused her of not playing with them and she agreed. He parting shot was that she was the "working parent".

Kate is toxic. Seeing her now playing the victim with soft voice and teary eyes makes my stomach hurt. She's just evil and the most unattractive personality I've ever seen. I'm all for cosmetic surgery, but if Kate had every procedure yet invented, she'd still be ugly because she is ugly in her soul.
Gail

4girlsoneboy said...

Yup, the older woman is Nana Janet who used to live next to the Gosselin's at their old house and folded their laundry for them.
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Nana Janet was the lady who used to babysit, wasn't she? I thought the laundry folder was Beverly.

Trifecta said...

TLC is treading water big time. The Gosselins have TLC right where they want them. Spoil one be sued by the other for defamation and emotional distress on the kids.

Its a three custer, who wins, stay tuned.

TLC to Gosseline- no more comments to the tabloids.

TUNDRA said...

Greed comes in all sizes said...
Tundra, Not only did Kate ASK for more money per episode, but its been reported that she actually GOT it. Her price went from $75,000
to $150,000!! Yes, TLC agreed, or Kate said that she'd not do season 5.

6/29/2009 7:40 AM

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Thanks! :) Kinda gives new meaning to Kate's statement "the show must go on".

(Pass the barf bag)

AliceBlueGown said...

I agree. That episode was really sad and showed a lot of animosity between them. Another episode that stood out to me was the one when they returned to the condo where they stayed while the tups were in the NICU. Kate was really crying when talking about how their life used to be so simple. I think the marriage was ending at about that time.

6/28/2009 12:29 PM

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Kate even seemed surprised at her emotions. She said she didn't know why she was crying.

She was crying because it was plain to see that she DID, at one time, put her family before herself.

The time she spent at the hospital was visably difficult for her, for Jon, and she was worried about her health (as a mother) and the health of her babies.

She missed her twins and it was a worrisome time for all of them.

We know she is a witch, but we know those early times were fraught with emotion. That emotion surprised even herself.

Pony said...

Swagger said ( in part)

The rotating home: No way is this going to work unless court appointed guardians are "live-ins" and Kate and Jon are moved out. Custody is managed by guardians. Visits are pre-arranged. Guardians have signed papers from parents for health, education, ect. purposes.

Without court appointed live-in mediators the "house" will not be neutral common territory. If Kate or John has primary live-in ownership the other will be second fiddle to the other and the kids will know it. No way will one parent trust the other unless the court or guardians have the final word.

Lots of judges award the house to the kids these days and the parents are required to deal with it. If parents have joint custody, major decisions are required to be made jointly; small decisions are made by the parent who is with the kids at the time. There is no reason to assume that the court needs to appoint "guardians" to live with the children. Neither parent is likely to wind up with primary custody of the kids unless Jon fights to get it. The odds of Kate fighting for primary custody and actually getting it are pretty slim, IMO. As J&K stated on the show, the kids are staying in the house; they are getting somewhere to live and will take turns being at the house with the kids. The intelligent thing to do would be for both J&K to each get an apartment or small house in the area. Do I think they will? Only if TLC requires them to.

The reality is - this is Pennsylvania, where judges have lots more power than they do in most states in a divorce case. J&K had better play nice or the judge will see to it that they regret it. ( Just ask my little brother.)

Laura said...

While I am saddened by the recent losses in Hollywood, it is sure a nice break from all the Gosselin saga. It must be killing Kate that she lost the spot lite, sorrow and pity from everyone, during the breaking week of their news. What a nice break for the kids but its sad that it was at the expense and death of 3 icons. God Bless MJ, Ed, Farrah and the Gosselin Kids. Cara, Maddy, Hannah, Leah, Alexis, Collin, Aaden & Joel: May God Bless you 8 and keep you close at this time.

Sissy said...

I believe at the time the show started Jon had already checked out of the marriage in his mind. For all anyone knows he had affairs back then, but he was reasonably discreet and the tabloids weren't lurking over his shoulder. Honestly, from the beginning of the episodic series, Jon and Kate never acted like a committed married couple. There were always signs, always something "off" in the way they related. I think they were scamming the public about their marriage just like they were scamming about their financial status. Their marriage was as much of a lie as everything else. And if Jon hadn't got caught, they would still be lying about it.

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I could be wrong, but when Jon was still working and got up early to change the babies diapers and get himself off to work, I believe he was still invested in the family.

There was a time when they were talking about Kate wondering if he resented her since they had 6 babies instead of 1, I believed him when he said he didn't resent her.

I also believe he was sincere when he told her he "would never leave" her.

I think, early on, Jon was trying very hard to be a good husband and father.

I hope I am right. Of course, we will never know if I am right or wrong.

MominWA said...

Sissy said...
I could be wrong, but when Jon was still working and got up early to change the babies diapers and get himself off to work, I believe he was still invested in the family.

There was a time when they were talking about Kate wondering if he resented her since they had 6 babies instead of 1, I believed him when he said he didn't resent her.

I also believe he was sincere when he told her he "would never leave" her.

I think, early on, Jon was trying very hard to be a good husband and father.

I hope I am right. Of course, we will never know if I am right or wrong

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I think you are right. But a person can only take so much abuse from somebody who is supposed to love and cherish them.

MominWA said...

Jen K said...
My opinion: she wanted multiples, the more the better, so badly that she would say and do anything. I think this will come out in a tell-all by Jon or someone else close to the situation.

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I completely agree with you. I think in the "How we got here" episode, Kate said that growing up she always wanted to have twins.

I don't know if it was actually that episode, but I know I heard it somewhere, and I believe it was from Kate herself.

sugarjay said...

I believe at the time the show started Jon had already checked out of the marriage in his mind.
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I don't think so. I think it was more of a progression. If you look at the ugly moments youtube video, Kate wasn't as out of control in the beginning. It was more comments like 'they know how to pick apples, Jon' but by the end of the video where they are showing more current clips, she's screaming in his face and ordering him around to hand over the receipt and going insane over a coupon and following him around the house yelling that he lets the kids watch tv in bed. The Toys R Us tantrum that Jon was so embarrassed about pales in comparason to how she treats him on last season's episodes.

rockypriscilla said...

Jon and Kate's statement is so transparent and laughable....

"During this very difficult time we will be working to focus solely on the needs of our family. This includes no longer commenting publicly or reacting to media stories and speculation. Our goal is to do the very best for our children and that will be done as privately as possible," the statement continued. "We appreciate the understanding, support and well wishes from so many."
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So it looks like that whole PR blitz that TLC and Kate cooked up to create a new image for herself failed. They must really think people are stupid. Some sheeple are too simple-minded to get it, but the majority of people can see it coming from a mile away. So now the goal is to do things that are solely in the best interest of their children. Was that before or after Kate gave a play-by-play of her children's reactions to the divorce? Or how about her bashing Jon whenever she gets a chance, for her children's friends and her children themselves to read? That's in their best interest, right Kate? It looks like there are enough of us to make a difference after all. Keep calling and writing to TLC and their sponsors. Look what it's accomplished. Now the cookbook is on hold? Is it because they have finally heard the cry of the people? I hope so. The description of the book was so hilarious...
In addition to offering nutritious recipes and tips on eating organically, Love Is in the Mix planned to teach readers "how to craft family traditions that create happy memories" and "how to feed a large family on a budget." The book was also slated to include family photos and anecdotes about her twins and sextuplets.

What does Kate know about family traditions and feeding a large family on a budget? And of course the book would be filled with pictures of her kids. Either way, the kids lose, whether they are pictures of their private moments or pictures that they had to pose/work for. More exploitation and invasion of her children's privacy. Looks like you've been working very hard at doing the very best for your children as privately as possible.

rockypriscilla said...

I wanted to bring up a point about something that I noticed about the kids that is alarming (it's so sad that there are so many alarming things going on in these kids lives). Did anyone else notice when the crooked house was being built that the tups are super trusting with strangers? I have noticed this before, but when someone comes and gives them attention, they all crawl all over him/her. I noticed when one of the girls (Alexis?) was going to show the builder a bear behind the playhouse, she grabbed his hand and walked off with him, behind the house. It's very scary for these children's safety to be so eager to trust and be affectionate towards strangers.

THEYVEGONEFORTHE$$$ said...

Apparently, Christianity was a convenience for these two while they needed it. Now, there's no mention of God, Jesus, Church - no bible quotes or shirts with bible quotes - and no attenpt to do the Christian thing and "reconcile" with each other. After all, the show must go on!!!!!!!

Sissy said...

From the crookbook description:

In addition to offering nutritious recipes and tips on eating organically, Love Is in the Mix planned to teach readers "how to craft family traditions that create happy memories" and "how to feed a large family on a budget." The book was also slated to include family photos and anecdotes about her twins and sextuplets.

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"how to feed a large family on a budget" ...
we could all feed our family more economically if most of our food was free!

Bonnie said...

rockypriscilla, I noticed also how the kids are so friendly with people they don't know.

During the "green" episode the kids were so excited and all over that crew, and the crooked house people too.

Maybe it comes from being around so many adults in their lives, such as their own TLC crew, people from Good Housekeeping, TV crews from show they have been on.

They have lived with a long string of non-relatives and accept them heartily.

overwithKON~~~~~ said...

Oh I just figured it out! Ahah!

First off, I do not think this statement came from Jane or Khate, they are toooo selfish to not have themselves in the media.

*I THINK* that TLC has taken this opportunity with all the focus elswhere(on real, passed away celebs), to try to help J&K save face, and make it look like it was their choice and nothing to do with the fact that no on is interested in them when there are much bigger stories to tell. Love not seeing them on EVERYTHING!

Peace to the gosselin 8

Pat said...

rockypriscilla, I noticed that too. She just took a strange adult man in back of her little house like it was normal. I thought it was quite creepy and scary and her parents are to busy raking in the free bucks to give one crap. Yet, they complain about the paps in the woods, when they use the kids as pap bait. There are wolves in the wood too. And they have sharp teeth.

Rawr said...

Wondering about seprate lives... In reference to kids not being allowed into the bedroom ever again... I do recall in the Mother's Day episode that Jon tells the kids to go to "mommy's room" or "her room" and not "our room" that indicates at that point they weren't staying in the same room. I always found that odd.

konhasyoufooled said...

Paige said...

"Have we discussed who is pregnant yet? Kate or Deanna? Did Jon have a v-ectomy? I know Kate has some kind of problem but it sometimes happens that women with fertility problems end up getting pregnant on their own.

If Deanna is pregnant it would explain the filing of papers by Kate."
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Whoa, I missed this one! Where did this come from?
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Considering Kate has had the tummy tuck I highly doubt she is going to have any more babies. Unless of course she could get a new show out of it then that is a different story. Who knows with that one. We can all pray another baby isn't brought into this sordid mess. I think it is prob all rumors

PlaidChick said...

The publisher Zondervan, for Kate's upcoming cookbook has canceled publishing all together

W-O-W

PlaidChick said...

konhasyoufooled said...
Paige said...

"Have we discussed who is pregnant yet? Kate or Deanna? Did Jon have a v-ectomy? I know Kate has some kind of problem but it sometimes happens that women with fertility problems end up getting pregnant on their own.
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Kate has PCOS which is Polycystic ovarian disorder

This is why I started watching the show, because she *said* she was diagnosed with PCOS, and was able to get pregnant by the help of IUI. PCOS was something I was diagnosed with at 14, which is a very long age. Many women are not diagnosed until they are trying to conceive, and Kate has said, she always had a gut feeling she wouldn't be able to get pregnant on her own, and sure enough her doctor confirmed that. I don't know if I believe she has PCOS anymore, as she doesn't fit the profile of PCOS.. overweight, excess hair, depression, just to name of the symptoms. Victoria Beckham is rumored to have PCOS, and the research is not out there that PCOS is caused by being overweight, or being overweight is caused by PCOS.

Lora said...

Rocky Priscilla, I have also noticed how friendly the children are with all the people they encounter. I think it's good they have "body guards" for this very reason.

Hopefully now that Jon and Kate are no longer commenting, the interest will fade enough for the show to be cancelled.

SaNdY said...

PlaidChick said...
The publisher Zondervan, for Kate's upcoming cookbook has canceled publishing all together

W-O-W
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Where did you get this news flash from, PlaidChick? The latest that I heard was that Zondervan was 'reassessing' the release date of the book....thanks...

jenny said...

Thundra....great investigating, so now Kate made $6,000,000 for season 5 unreal!!

She has the nerve to ask for and except free clothes for herself and the kids, grocery, black suv, trips, products, ect...wow if she only knew what it was like in the REAL world to raise kids on a normal budget.

madcrazy said...

I thought they went to Hawaii to renew their vows and show the kids that they will always be together. I guess the kids can really trust their parents now......not!

If they really did put their kids first, they would have stopped the show to work on their marriage but no! Once again they put their kids second insted of first!