Turning 5 and the Future, Monday, May 25


After enjoying the enormous party celebrating the sextuplet's fifth birthday, Jon and Kate sit down with each other for a serious discussion regarding their future together as well as the kind of future they want to build for their family. (Description from TitanTV.)
New. Washington Post about season opener.


60 minutes

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OriginalThoughts said...

from divorce 360:
Getting a Divorce in Pennsylvania? Divorce Law Cheat Sheet in the State of Pennsylvania


By DIVORCE360.COM STAFF


1. What are the residency requirements for filing for divorce in Pennsylvania?
You or your spouse must have been a resident for at least six months before filing. You may file in the county in which your spouse resides or, if he or she lives out of state, where you reside.

2. Does Pennsylvania have a waiting period?
If the court thinks there is reason to believe you and your spouse might reconcile, it will continue your case for between 90 and 120 days and require you to attend counseling. If you haven’t reconciled at the end of that period and one of you says under oath that your marriage is irretrievably broken, the court will rule on whether it is or isn’t.


If you file based on the ground of irreconcilable differences and the court orders a continuation period, but you or your spouse requests counseling or you have at least one child younger than 16, then the court may order as many as three counseling sessions within that time period.

If you file based on the ground that your spouse has forced you to endure indignities so significant that your life is intolerable, but you or your spouse requests counseling, the court will require as many as three counseling sessions.

If you file based on the ground of mutual consent for a divorce, but you or your spouse requests counseling, the court will require as many as three counseling sessions within 90 days of filing.

3. Does the state have grounds for divorce?
Yes. In Pennsylvania you may file for a divorce on the grounds of:

THIS PART I FOUND INTRESTING:

•Committed willful and malicious desertion, which means your spouse has left you and your home without a good reason and has been gone for at least one year.
•Adultery, which means your spouse had an affair.
•Cruel and barbarous treatment, which means your spouse has endangered your life or your health.
•Bigamy, which means your spouse married you while he or she was still married to someone else.
•Imprisonment, if your spouse has been sentenced to two or more years.
•Indignities so great that they’ve made your life intolerable.
•Institutionalization, if your spouse has been confined to a mental institution for at least 18 months and there is no reason to believe that he or she will be released within 18 months of filing. This requires a certificate from the superintendent of your spouse’s institution and a supporting statement from a physician who is treating your spouse.
•Mutual consent, if you and your spouse each file an affidavit saying that you consent to your divorce, your marriage is irretrievably broken and at least 90 days have passed since you filed.
•Irretrievable breakdown, if you have filed an affidavit saying that you and your spouse have lived separately for at least two years and your marriage is irretrievably broken, as long as your spouse doesn’t deny that your marriage is broken or, if he or she does disagree, the court finds your marriage is irretrievably broken.

You will not be granted a divorce on the ground of adultery if the court finds that you:


•Have been guilty of adultery, too.
•Knew about the adultery but resumed sexual relations with your spouse.
•Allowed your spouse to commit adultery.
•Exposed your spouse to situations that resulted in adultery.

Daner said...

Please go to http://www.usmagazine.com/ and take the poll on the front page:

Are Jon and Kate exploiting their kids with their reality show?

only-one-child said...

i think instead of writing another book, maybe khate should sit down and READ one to her kids.

instead of speaking at another church function, take your family there and pray for your lives to get back on track.

Kon is Wrong said...

I have said it before, and I will say it again. If the roles were reversed between John and Kate, this show would be over by now. There would be such a public outcry, that TLC would have to cancel the show. Just imagine if it were John "playfully" slapping Kate on national television, telling her that she is fat regularily, asking her to get hair plugs, correcting her every pronunciation, telling her not to breathe, screaming at her across various public places, implying that she is not a good parent, screaming at her for forgetting a coupon, leaving her and the kids for twenty days a month for an unnecessary book tour, and possibly having her sign a contract that effectively divorces her, but doesn't really. The whole country would be calling the situation abuse, which is what it is. If under such circumstances Kate had an affair, people would see it as a step in the right direction...a way to get far from the abuser. I think that what did it for me...what really made me see John as the victim of mental abuse was when he said in total earnestness and with no sarcasm that he would never do a book tour because he cannot write. He truly believes that she can write, which we all know that she can't. Most people have had a friend in an abusive relationship and can attest to the fact that the victim usually does not have a solid grasp on the characteristics of the abuser. If the roles were reversed and if John was a woman, this show would be justifiably over by now and Kate might be in at least an anger management program. It is such a double standard. I even recall an episode where after slapping John quite hard on the cheek, Kate says to him something like "don't be a victim, John, victimization in men is really unattractive". Imagine for just one second that John said after slapping Kate on the cheek "don't be a victim Kate, victimization among women is unattractive". The whole nation would rightly be in an uproar. I am not trying to dismiss all of John's actions, but when you think of him as the victim of emotional abuse, he seems much more understandable. It is very disturbing to think of what kind of impact this is having on the kids' self esteem.

SundayRose said...

HannaBelleLechter said, "Just to clarify, SundayRose, but the post you've quoted above was mine. (Thank you for the compliment; you're very kind.)"
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Thanks HannahBelle for letting me know. Interestingly enough, for some time now I've wanted to compliment you on your posts as well. They are so insightful. This statement from you is something I also agree on.

You said, "To the best of my memory, Jon's maternal counsel has never been spoken aloud on the show. IMHO, Kate has been instrumental in severing ties to both Jon's family and to her own family. I'm thinking she holds to the idea of "divide and conquer." She doesn't want to answer to anybody about anything; and she wants to be large and in charge of ALL things Gosselin."
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EXACTLY HANNAHBELLE! I bet Kate flinched at Jon's mention of his mom. Very sad that she even took that from him.

Then you said, "She loved the babies, but now that they're 5 and 8? They get dirty, they fall down and bleed, they talk, they breathe! Kate's personal hell, I think, would have to be 8 pre-teens and teens all giving back to her as good as they get from her."
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THIS IS SO TRUE! KATE CANNOT HANDLE HER KIDS NOW, SO THEIR TEEN YEARS WILL BE KATE'S OWN PERSONAL HELL. Why people pay to listen to her motherly advice is so beyond me!!! She is not a stellar example of a mom by any means......quite the opposite is true.

so cal in nyc said...

Kon is Wrong...

Very good point!

TeacherTeacher said...

Their website is gone- how sad. Even thought they had not been any new stuff on the Gosselins 10- I liked going there. So sad how this is turning out.

debi said...

Jennifer said...

No divorce. They have EIGHT kids. People advocating divorce do not fully comprehend what that would mean. I think you are striking out against Kate. Those child love their parents. Think of the scene at the park with Collin and Kate and the little girl telling Jon not to leave so much. You cannot replace the Gosselin childrens' parents, even Kate. We might talk about her on here, but her kids love her. They would be crushed with a divorce.

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Not sure why you would think that some don't comprehend what a divorce would mean. Now a days I think more people DO comprehend it. You think it's healthier to have those kids live in that type of environment where the parents are giving each other the cold shoulder or fighting all the time? Having the mother berate the father in front of not only the kids, but family AND a viewing audience? The children would see that behavior every day and think that's the norm, and it ISN'T. Chances are that they would treat their spouses the same way because that's "normal".

People who stay together for their children are only fooling themselves. No one else, especially the children. I talk from experience with my own parents. We heard/saw all the fighting, and the cold shoulders given to one another. Not only that, but we also heard repeatably (when we where adults) that they "stayed together for you kids"

So on top of all the fighting etc we heard as kids, we also got the feeling of guilt (as adults) that we were the reason they stayed in a unhappy marriage for all those years. As a child I often WISHED they would get a divorce.

I think these kids would be better off in the long run if their parents just divorced. Sure it would be sad for them for awhile, but what can you do? Having KON stay together IMO would cause MORE damage than if the split. They seem pretty toxic together as of late...and that anger they show one another will only grow in time.

Kate seems to now have a new agenda, and to me it's all about HER. The thing is I had started watching the show (when it first came on as a series) to see the KIDS...and could care less about her or Jon. They weren't the draw, it was the cute kids. Now she's going cross country selling her "books". Anyone can "write" a book...not everyone can be an author (and if she didn't have this series, I can guarantee her books wouldn't sell. And if she wasn't on t.v., no one would be lining up to pay her to sign the book).

The show is slowly becoming all about her. Sorry, she doesn't do a damned thing for me. Get rid of the kids, and she would be nothing. She's full of self importance and she's not.

Get over yourself Kate. You ain't all that.

chesterctymom said...

Thank goodness Kon was able to somehow face each other when they received their free, cutsom motorcycles. How brave and strong they are.

Check please!

concerned wife and mommy said...

I kept wondering why they had such a weird length of time for this episode. It was an hour and 13 minutes. Well, it hit me this morning. They can cut the 13 minutes of marriage discussions out and rerun this as a "normal" birthday episode.

laura weiss said...

Kate Gosselin wants fame and fortune so much that she invited all of us to the death of her marriage.

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We get a lot of gems on this website. This might be the best one yet.

luvthekids said...

Someone might have mentioned this, I am still reading all the comments, but remember when Kate said she listened to what the kids were saying at the moment and Jon did not. And said he yelled instead of getting someone a drink? What did she do when I think it was Aaden without his glasses and Lex came to tell him that the boys were doing something that was keeping Aaden from getting dressed or into the bathroom or something like that. She told them to go away and GET READY or she would send them to naps and leave without them oh and BE KIND! Did she even hear what they were trying to tell her? no way ARG! SHE IS A GREAT MOM!

notthatkate said...

I am so aggravated by this situation. I began watching when the show would air in the middle of the night and I would be up feeding my newborn. It used to be inspirational. It inspired me to get through those long sleepless nights and days full of crying and diapers. I would think-if she can do it with 8, I can manage with 2....Then I began to feel inferior. How can she get 8 kids to church every week an hours drive away when I struggle to get mine to church down the street? How come she can make homemade pancakes every Saturday and I struggle with cold cereal and toast? How can she stock pile soup and use all organic food when my kids eat mac and cheese and grilled cheese sandwiches most days? Now I feel so angry because it was all such a FRAUD! I am so mad that I let her question myself and my mothering when none of it was real!!!

stopthemadness said...

What I would like to see in season five, is the show focus on Kate.

I want Jon and Kate to divorce. Jon will of course take custody of all 8. Then from week to week we will see Kate off on one adventure after another taking along a child or two.

Of course she'll want to take the girls more, but rest assured TLC will make her take the "dirty boys" along too.

That way the kids get Jon, a parent who they love. Kate gets what she wants, her Hollywood career...and the children get a break from filming...only being filmed when they are unlucky enough to be Mom's prop for that week.

What do you think?

Jennifer said...

Debi-

Since you didn't experience divorce as a child, yes, you would be one of the people I was talking about. Many adults do not understand the effects of divorce on children because they never experienced it from the child's view. The adults only think of it as what will happen from their perspective.

Going through a divorce as a spouse is very different from going through it as a child.

Many people, like you, who did not go through divorce as a child are advocating it for this family and I think that is wrong.

I also wonder how many people advocating divorce are just trying to make themselves feel better about their own lives, full of divorce, stepkids, custody fights, etc. etc... Everyone thinks divorces solve problems, but many times they creat more problems, especially for the kids.

Have you ever heard of a five year-old flying cross country alone? Most parents would never alone that. But, guess what? Suddenly, in a divorce, that kind of thing is OK and courts even mandate it.

As a child of divorce this is what I know: I will not get a divorce when I have young children. Period. I am not having another woman raise my kids. Period. I will not put my kids in a position where they have to experience a mean, nasty person being their "stepmom". And this will not make me bitter or angry. I will do it for my children because my job is to protect them.

After all, would you want Kate as a stepmom to your kids?

Anonymous said...

did anyone notice how she wasn't wearing her wedding ring now and yet he was still wearing his? I think she is clueless about a lot and to blame him for everything is wrong. Also she said that she has been dealing with it for 6 months, dealing with it is not making fun of your husband and kids. I hope she gets a huge reality check and relizes what she has before its gone!

I want to know said...

I want to know...If Jon isn't living there... why isn't the Pap folling him in the evening...and finding out where he is actually living... come on.... u know... none of this makes any sense AT ALL! I am so confused! ;-)

Team 8 said...

The only way to make this stop is to STOP WATCHING. Plain and simple.

I WILL NOT watch the Gosselin children on TV ever again. I refuse to be part of the exploitation of those precious children. I have blocked TLC and will not unblock it until they take the Gosselin children off the air.

I hope others will join me. I want to see their viewership drop like a rock.

TLC doesn't care that people have a negative view of the show. All they care about is if people are watching. They know the naysayers are going to tune in just to critic Kate.

RESIST THE URGE TO WATCH! DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!

SuzanneDeAZ said...

"I wonder if that was the same day? If it was, than the BBQ was shot before the "first meeting" but after all the scandal broke out and this whole thing is a scam and they are "trying" to pull the wool over our eyes. I mean, the set is new for the new season. They go down in the basement in a friendly manner and check it out the same day they are BBQ'ing up on the patio and acting civil for the cameras. Wasn't that shot then before the "first" meeting but after all the rumors of cheating? Makes you wanna go Hmmmm.....
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It is possible it was done at the same time when they first visited the house. Jon did say it was the FIRST barbeque they had so it may have been earlier rather than after the party.

UniStudent said...

I've been an avid reader and occasional poster on this blog for almost a year now and can't believe how big it's grown. I also can't believe how many people, who post on here, are still watching the show.
Please please please stop watching. Please. Just stop, don't do it, read the recaps here if you have to but stop watching. I didn't see this episode and from the recap I got as clear a picture as I need.

These kids need help and until we stop enabling their parents by watching nothing will change.

DeeB said...

If GWOP posters cannot even stop watching, then there is no hope. I mean we expect the sheeple to watch, but when the draw is so compelling that even people who are appalled by the exploitation, lies, and greed keep watching then we need to just to make this a "let's talk about the Gosselins" blog. I thought it would be hard not to watch, but I quit at the end of season 4 and I refuse to even watch reruns. It turned out to be no big deal. I am still; however, addicted to this blog and think all of you plus the moderators are great people.

nanasez said...

Kate must have made a REALLY bad nurse! I mean...can you imagine being sick in the hospital and having this woman in charge of your well-being??? She is very "un-nursy-ish"!

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Well, one would only think Kate was a bad nurse if one was a bleeding heart softie who thinks sick people shouldn't be put to bed on the hard, cold floor so as to prevent soiling of bed linens and such. ;o)

debi said...

Jennifer said:

As a child of divorce this is what I know: I will not get a divorce when I have young children. Period. I am not having another woman raise my kids. Period. I will not put my kids in a position where they have to experience a mean, nasty person being their "stepmom". And this will not make me bitter or angry. I will do it for my children because my job is to protect them.

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No, I didn't live through a divorce of parents as a child...but I have seen the effects on children who have had parents divorce. I can tell you that most thrived because of it because they were no longer in the "war zone".

You can't assume that all step-parents would be monsters...because they all aren't.

BTW: I don't care to be referred to as "people like you". All I was getting at was which environment is healthier for these kids? No one but Jon and Kate know how they would act if they were to get a divorce. It might be smooth sailing...we just don't know.

All I can talk about is my personal experience with parents that SHOULD have divorced when I was younger. The fighting sometimes escalated to the point that they let their frustrations out on us kids. No, we weren't beaten, but their anger (as in words)...did hit us just as hard as any physical blow might have.

It's up to each and every individual parent to try and make any transition as easy as possible for their kids. Not all divorces end up nasty. We can't assume because of our beliefs on divorce that it will all turn out negatively. Bottom line for me is: what is best for any child in the situation. Sometimes I do believe it's divorce.

teach n twins said...

My DH and I are examples of reconciling and staying together for the kids. If I didnt have 1 year old twins at the time I would have walked away with no regrets but could not do so. Wanted to give my children the best possible chance. I believe despite the mess they have made they should remain together for the next 13 years til the kids are 18. You created this "crazy life" suck it up and deal with it!!!!

Teresa said...

Jon was very specific in his wording. He said " I did not cheat on my wife." He didn't say he did not have a relationship with anyone else. Cheating would indicate that Kate was under the impression they were still married. I doubt it. Unfortunately Kate will never allow Jon to get custody of her meal tickets. In fact, she probably tipped off the paparazzi so the adultery story would blow up, which would help with custody as well as making her a sympathetic character that people will watch on her "brave battle to do it ALONE, ALONE, ALONE!"
I think the whole situation is sad but not surprising. I was fortunate that my parents were able to remain civil during their divorce, despite infidelity. It made a diffence in my life as I was never forced to pick sides.

Anonymous said...

Jennifer, I just read what you said about divorce, and I have to say you have wonderful insight.

Why does everyone say, "they fight so much, they should just get a divorce"...why not say that they should QUIT FIGHTING!? Adults are suppose to be the ones who have control over their emotions. They brought these kids into this world; and forced them to be television stars. They OWE the kids!

You are right that divorce rarely doesn't help children. In fact the stats prove that statement. Statistically, children from divorced homes have many more problems than children from intact homes. It is a fact. Children from divorced homes are more likely to become involved in drugs, and early sexual behaviors. They are more likely in fact, to be abused by their parent's romantic partners, emotionally, physically and sexually.

The best thing for parents to do, is to grow up, stop thinking of themselves, and do the best thing for their kids---work it out. That is why there are wedding vows! They PROMISED that they would work it out.

XYZed said...

I don't really care about the state of Jon and Kate's marriage. I don't care if Jon cheated, if he has a new sports car, or if he still lives with Kate. I don't care about the frequency of Kate's tanning sessions, that she was difficult to work with when she was nursing, or that she may or may not have become close with her body guard.

What I do care about is those precious eight children who are caught in the centre of this madness. They are being EXPLOITED (Aunt Jodi used the word and I will too). They are being exploited by their parents, by TLC, and now by every tabloid that latches on to the most inane detail of gossip.

Our focus should not be on Jon or Kate and every dirty detail that 'proves' they are good or bad people. Rather, our focus must be on the rights and the protection of the Gosselin children who didn't ask for any of this.

Thank you GWOP for keeping this issue front and centre.

Anonymous said...

Only one child said,

"i think instead of writing another book, maybe khate should sit down and READ one to her kids.

instead of speaking at another church function, take your family there and pray for your lives to get back on track."
Wow...good advice. But, sadly, Kate doesn't take any advice. She thinks she knows everything already. Even though it has been proven time and time again, that she is wrong...she still stubbornly refuses to listen to other people....even her family who has loved her. But, in her selfishness, she pushes them away from her.

She is at the edge of a cliff, and does not even know it. She is about to fall off. The boyfriend is going to leave her; her paid friends are going to leave; her "career" is going to fade out of sight...and she won't even have a dog to pet, because she has pushed everyone away with her own pride.

wendyzr said...

Have you seen the preview for the next episode? I was watching ANIMAL PLANET for God's sake and it came on. Kate and Maddy in California having "girl time" going to a spa and a day at the beach. Is this the show now? Was not long ago that Kate said about her once a year spa day that "it should be once a month" Guess she got her wish. HOW BORING!

My5blessings said...

notthatkate wrote:

I am so aggravated by this situation. I began watching when the show would air in the middle of the night and I would be up feeding my newborn. It used to be inspirational. It inspired me to get through those long sleepless nights and days full of crying and diapers. I would think-if she can do it with 8, I can manage with 2....Then I began to feel inferior. How can she get 8 kids to church every week an hours drive away when I struggle to get mine to church down the street? How come she can make homemade pancakes every Saturday and I struggle with cold cereal and toast? How can she stock pile soup and use all organic food when my kids eat mac and cheese and grilled cheese sandwiches most days? Now I feel so angry because it was all such a FRAUD! I am so mad that I let her question myself and my mothering when none of it was real!!!

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My5Blessings wrote:

God, your post made me smile and feel empathy for you all at once!

I know this is not meant to be a support blog for parents. But please, oblige me for a second.
And notthatkate, I hope you see this post come through.

You have every right to feel the way you did/do. I think you were definitely not the only Mother out there duped (sp) by Ms. Kate, the perfect Mother.

I don't know you but I think I can safely bet you are a much more loving, intune, caring parent than she could ever dream of being.

Why? because you obviously care about your children, you were looking to do better (not speaking monetarily) and feeling guilty for not living up to the idea we women can sometimes give one another of the perfect parent.

Sorry, Kate doesn't come close.

My general feelings are to always uplift Parents. I sincerely cannot do that for her. She gives you nothing to go on-- nothing to work with.

For you, pancake days will come, (btw, 2cups bisquick, 2 eggs, one cup milk and wala, home made pancakes!-- my son eats them everyday..... not because I am special by any means, it's the only thing the little booger will eat) ---sometimes it will still be cold cereal and toast! LOL I'm sure your children are fed a healthy diet!

I worry much more about their emotional well being than anything else.

If Kate truly was on her own, she could do nothing.

If it makes you feel any better, I have read she has NEVER been without help. She's always had "helpers!"

Can you even come close to imagining having a person, several to help you with your children, fold your clothes, bring you food, give you money-- on and on and on!?

In my wildest imagination, I can't imagine it! Honestly, wouldn't want all that help. Somedays would be nice though:):)

Spa days for me still consist of rushing through a bath and hoping two kids don't climb in with me and blow bubbles in the water! (grins)

Of all people, don't compare yourself to her.....

Pat yourself on the back for doing a good job and keep on keeping on..........
Loving your husband and your children is the most important thing you can do, putting some food in their tummy, important as well, everything else is icing on the cake baby!
Hang in there!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Kon is wrong...I could not agree more with your post.

Jon is an abused spouse. He is. I know it is hard for a man to admit that. It does not mean he is weak. Really, it just means that he is a nice young man, who had no idea how to cope with a mentally ill wife!

Where are all the Christian "stars", that supposedly help people straighten out their lives? The ones who used Jon and Kate to fill their own pockets with donations? Why does no one come and help this family get back on the right track? The Bible tells us that it is our Christian duty to help a Christian brother face their sin, and to try and help them be restored to a right relationship with Jesus Christ.

Where is Rick Warren, Gary Smalley, the 700 club, pastors from every church were the Gosselins spoke, Steve Arterburn and Dr. John Townsend? Where is the Pastor of their church, and the elders?

leo43 said...

My email to TLC/Discovery:

Why does TLC continue to think that their viewing audience is a bunch of idiots? Does any one at TLC have a soul...or a conscience? Again, TLC should be ashamed of themselves for exploiting the 10 children on Jon and Hate plus Eight. Additionally, everything that comes out of the parents' mouths is a bunch of lies- we have all known for some time how Jon really lost his job. And now his boss is actually confirming it. Why do you allow these two to spew one lie after another? I really wish that TLC would cancel this show NOW and let these children try to have a normal life. It isn't always about money- TLC, along with Jon and Kate, is RUINING these children-NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. Their future unhappiness is on your heads...and heart, if you have one. TLC IS DISGUSTING. WHAT IF THIS WAS HAPPENING TO YOU OWN CHILDREN?

Anonymous said...

^ In my post to Jennifer, I meant to state, "Divorce rarely helps children"...NOT "Divorce rareley DOESN'T HELP children"..yikes, I messed that up. Sorry.

Also, I wanted to agree with "Kon is wrong" again, on the point that she made that Jon said he "couldn't write"...THAT actually shocked me, because Jon knows Kate didn't write that book! And her scrapbook of the kid's pictures can not be called "writing"....Jon could write a book as well as Kate; and probably should!

He has been so brain washed by Kate, it is sad. He fell into her fantasy. He really needs some help from an abuse counselor.

He doesn't realise all of his assets. He doesn't realise all of the gifts that the Lord has given him! He is much more gifted than the woman he married! He doesn't realise his own good qualities. That makes me so sad.

He needs to let go of his bitterness, and use this opportunity to heal himself. That is the best thing for his family. He must grow up. No, he didn't want this many children nor did he want to be on this tv show all the time...it isn't fair. But, it is much more unfair to the children.

Doesn't he realise that his own parent's divorce was the beginning of his own sense of worthlessness? And that his divorce will cause those same feelings in his own children?

Divorce is cruel to children who never asked to be in the relationship. They didn't ask to be born, or in a tv show. That is the most unfair situation of all.

Jon needs to grow up and save the kids. It is really up to him. His wife is beyond help. She is mentally unable to do what needs to be done.

I hope Jon gets some legal and mental and addiction help. That is the right thing to do for the kids. They must be protected from their mother, and only he can do it. He needs to be strong for them.

just wondering said...

lindahoyt said...

The best thing for parents to do, is to grow up, stop thinking of themselves, and do the best thing for their kids---work it out. That is why there are wedding vows! They PROMISED that they would work it out.

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Linda, you must have driven through gas fumes there for a second. You weren't speaking of Kate were you?

You already know that the only promises Kate keeps are the ones that matter to her at the moment that she makes them and are subject to change at any whim. She is completely incapable of thinking of others needs or wishes.

You must have forgotten for a second.

It is so important for people to remember that Kate is isolated from the real world. She only lives in the TLC world. She is not aware of the fact that they do not have her best interests at heart. Never have and never will. But she doesn't know that. Because in her deluded mind she is SPECIAL! TLC NEEDS her and LOVES her and she thinks she has power there.

In the world of narcissism nobody else knows better. Nobody else has any idea just how important and special she is. Only her opinions count and only her view is important.

Yes, she is sick, and becoming more sick because of the vaccuum in which she is living.

I seriously wish someone would just have a court ordered psych eval done on her.

Jon, are you listening?

previous fan said...

i've been following this blog for quite some time, but this is the first time i wanted to post something.
i used to be a fan of the show, until we all started noticing that it wasn't "the wholesome family fun with 8 kids" that tlc kept saying it was. i didn't watch the season 5 opener, but i saw some clips of it on you tube, and i just wanted to say this.
kate said that she knows that she has been mean to jon, that we all have seen her do it on tv, but she doesn't think that she drove him to do this, as "we are all responsible for our own actions." does she mean that she wanted jon to continue to put up with her verbal abuse, constant screaming and "choose happiness" by staying with a screaming harpy like her? the absurdity of this statement was what struck me the most. we are all responsible for our own actions, that is true. and i do not condone jon for "cheating" or whatever bad behavior he has been exhibiting. all i'm saying is that it always take two to tango, and we cannot expect any decent, sane person to continually put up with bad behavior from their partner, even if they have 8 children. kate needs to realize that she should take responsibility for being so mean to jon and apologize for her behavior. NOT continue to say derogatory things about him on tv, such as "jon's bad behavior" and such.

Team 8 said...

XYZed said...
I don't really care about the state of Jon and Kate's marriage. I don't care if Jon cheated, if he has a new sports car, or if he still lives with Kate. I don't care about the frequency of Kate's tanning sessions, that she was difficult to work with when she was nursing, or that she may or may not have become close with her body guard.

What I do care about is those precious eight children who are caught in the centre of this madness. They are being EXPLOITED (Aunt Jodi used the word and I will too). They are being exploited by their parents, by TLC, and now by every tabloid that latches on to the most inane detail of gossip.

Our focus should not be on Jon or Kate and every dirty detail that 'proves' they are good or bad people. Rather, our focus must be on the rights and the protection of the Gosselin children who didn't ask for any of this.

Thank you GWOP for keeping this issue front and centre.
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This is one of the best posts out of the 1200+ on here...IMHO. :-)

The Washington Post summed it up perfectly:
This thing has evolved into something Greek, something Shakespearean, something corrosive that we in the chorus (example: see the Web site called Gosselins Without Pity) love to agonize and scream over. "Jon & Kate Plus 8" should be avoided at all costs, which means the DVR should be set to capture every moment.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/24/AR2009052402680.html

just wondering said...

nanasez said...
Kate must have made a REALLY bad nurse! I mean...can you imagine being sick in the hospital and having this woman in charge of your well-being??? She is very "un-nursy-ish"!

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I really want to know just what motivated her into becoming a nurse. Not a field for narcissists, actually.

Was she studying? Taking notes on how to have lots of children? Did only having the twins disappoint her?

God, I would just love to get into her messed up head and follow the paths of her many delusions!

just wondering said...

As I see it, the only remaining viewers will be the ones that love to mock (like us!!) the show. I'm pretty sure that the Christians have left the flock.

Book tours? Who is gonna book her? She's poison right now. She may be able to reinvent herself at some point, but she really needs to get out of the spotlight right now. People are sick of her.

But she's too narcissistic to do that and therein lies her doom.

I think she will refuse to listen to anyone and will keep dragging herself forward no matter what. She pretty much said so herself.

The ratings for that one show were a fluke. All the media attention and all the frenzy can't be attributed to anything that TLC did.

And to juxtapose a birthday party with a marital breakdown did not serve them well. The American Family will not be letting their children watch this program any longer.

I think she has cooked her own goose, we just have to see how long it takes her to get it out of the flames. My guess is that she will be like one of those marshmallows. Ashes...

TLCsuitsevil said...

TLC or WTF?TLC knows all about exploiting to make a buck.

NancyM said...

Jennifer,

I totally agree with you that Jon and Kate should make EVERY effort to fix their marriage. I do understand those who say that it is better if the kids don't live in an angry mess - but the solution should/at least could be that they go to counseling and solve that part.

I speak to this from a different viewpoint. I am divorced and got divorced when my son was 4. His Dad and I had a very amicable divorce (we split because he worked/traveled constantly and I was very young). We never had a custody fight, we both went to all holiday events.

Still, when he remarried someone who is nice but not great to our son, it had a devastating impact on our child. Our son is now 22 and is a wonderful person but I believe has suffered from our divorce. I am happily remarried and so is his Dad - there is no specific "ugliness" at all about our situation.

I ALWAYS tell people that if I could do it over I would have tried MUCH harder to have given my son the opportunity to grow up with both of his parents. Period. My son has never once complained but he did tell me recently that he is hesitant to propose to his girlfriend because he has to be POSITIVE before he marries because he wants his kids to grow up in a traditional home. Clearly this impacted him.

Anyhow - not judging those who get divorced or advocate divorce. However I would far rather see the Gosselins (or anyone) stay together if they can. And yes, to some extent, just for the kids.

Dharma said...

I am pretty sure the spa day was in california taped around April 1 when the kids were on spring break and Kate was out west. I think I read about it when they were on TMZ and at Mr. Chow's. Jon and Kate were eating together right after the Season 4 finale.

MayDay said...

I just receive another standard response from TLC after the email I sent them Monday night.

debi said...

Sometimes when somethings broke you can mend it...sometimes you can't. It may be beyond the point where they want counseling. I'm not advocating divorce. I'm just saying that if there's nothing left...let it go.

Just as some have said there are parents who remarry and the new spouses don't always treat the stepchild well, how about (in this case)it being their actual mother? Is that ok then? It's allowed because she's their birth mother?

Everyone has different views on divorce. I just think if you aren't happy in your marriage it will show and it WILL waterfall down to your kids...meaning they will know the parents aren't happy.

Jennifer said...

NancyM -

I enjoyed reading your comments. I'm sure your son will make a good choice when it comes to a wife. Obviously, he has thought a lot about it, and even at a young age, takes it seriously. Good for him and good for your future grandkids!

mimi said...

Wow! 1245 comments. Good for you GWOP. I've been reading comments here for a very long time, but never have posted. The moderators and posters should be very proud of themselves, finally your voices are being heard. All has not been in vain.

ToTheMoonAlice said...

I DID NOT WATCH, nor can I watch ever again...I cut the cable cord...When I was growing up, television was new, and it was FREE. It's bothered me for a long time how much I had to pay for cable, and with 100+ channels, there were times I still had nothing to watch. So...with the switch to DTV, I decided to "divorce" Cox and take my chances...The upside being, I can't watch this miserable excuse for entertainment even if I were tempted! I will continue to read postings and contribute my "2 cents" to this site, because I've seen how we've "led the charge" for getting the Gosselins kids some rights and privacy, and how the whole rest of the world has finally caught up with GWOP.

My thanks to the moderators for their insight and dedication, and thanks to all who have posted...pro or con whatever particular J&K+8 issue we've been discussing, I've always appreciated learning other's points of view.

Helen said...

RE: DIVORCE
"I'm just saying that if there's nothing left...let it go."

-debi

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That's the problem.... the kids can't just "let it go".

To you, it is just a bad decision, but to the kids, it is their family.

You talk about the parents need to be "happy" - does the kids happiness matter too?

ReRe said...

SuzanneDeAz said...

"I wonder if that was the same day? If it was, than the BBQ was shot before the "first meeting" but after all the scandal broke out and this whole thing is a scam and they are "trying" to pull the wool over our eyes. I mean, the set is new for the new season. They go down in the basement in a friendly manner and check it out the same day they are BBQ'ing up on the patio and acting civil for the cameras. Wasn't that shot then before the "first" meeting but after all the rumors of cheating? Makes you wanna go Hmmmm.....
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It is possible it was done at the same time when they first visited the house. Jon did say it was the FIRST barbeque they had so it may have been earlier rather than after the party.
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JMO, here's what I think: At the bbq she had on the green dress which was from the webisode when they 1st got the new chair so the bbq had to have been shot before the $^#@ hit the fan. Also they were so much more causal (fake for the camera) than they were at the b'day party.

JMO,again, I believe Jon in the blue shirt was shot as the original episode when they were just coming back from the cliff hanger and Utah was the only public problem. For example, "I had to go BACK for the cake and BACK for the phone. Clearly he was never there to go back, he probably had come straight from the bakery. Since, supermom did everything else. (probably the kind of lies and creative editing they have done for years) And there is probably lots of footage that makes them seem okay from the b'day party that is on the cutting room floor somewhere.

JMO, lastly, I think Jon in the black shirt was the latest footage, after the $^#@ hit the fan. I think that was the "add-in" they were trying to work in for the premier. And I think they went back and re-edited the show to show the awkwardness and some of the other things that they probably didn't already have in the original cut of the show.

Just my own conspiracy theory. Although I think it's pretty solid

Also, did anyone else notice how the she was on it when she caught Jon and Carla talking alone, I think she would have grabbed him if he didn't walk off when he did.

MOMof3 said...

I saw a picture of Kate on RadarOnline taken this past Monday. She was walking into, then out of, a pet supply store. She had a baseball hat with "Oprah" on it. I'm sure from her many visits on the show. She had on a bathing suit with a cover-up over it. Flip flops and sunglasses topped of the outfit. She got several large bags of dog food and dog treat, which couldbe seen in her cart as she left.

I'm sure she was going to spend the day around their pool with the kids.

That picture did it for me. Kate has what she wanted, which is financial security for herself and family. She is living her life and raking in the money, whether we complain and snark about her or not. I bet she is THRILLED with the media coverage. OK, maybe she wishes it wasn't so harsh, but hey, PR is PR.

I'm not watching the show anymore. I think the public is being played. I'm ordering a pool for my kids this summer and turning off the TV. I bet pools are cheap right now with construction so low.

IfKateWasMyNurse said...

Wow, I love this post!

UnOrganicManic said...
I've read a lot of the posts on this site and I dont think this has ever been brought up but...Kate must have made a REALLY bad nurse! I mean...can you imagine being sick in the hospital and having this woman in charge of your well-being??? She is very "un-nursy-ish"!
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Any patient's nightmare! Thank God most nurses are angels here on Earth!

KellyinSF said...

I wish they had just ended the show after last season. I would guess they have enough to be comfortable now. I just wish Kate would be grateful for what she has, 8 beautiful and healthy children. She has so much more than so many others yet can't seem to find a moment to appreciate any of it - there is something truly pathological about that. Whatever happened to those Christian values? My heart seriously breaks for those kids - celebrity gossip never interests me but I can't help but be sad for this family.

I was so uncomfortable watching the show on Monday night. To watch J&K ignore each other at the party, Alexis beg her dad not to go away, the changes in the twins - it's just too much. I've never seen anything like it on TV... watching a family fall apart in real time. It seems dirty to watch something so personal.

JonMaySurpriseUsYet said...

This is another good post from HannaBelleLechter:

"IMHO, Kate has been instrumental in severing ties to both Jon's family and to her own family. I'm thinking she holds to the idea of "divide and conquer." She doesn't want to answer to anybody about anything; and she wants to be large and in charge of ALL things Gosselin.

So, last night, when Jon quoted mom's sage advice, it must have been a one-two punch for Kate. First, Jon is openly talking about his mother and, obviously, she still holds an influence in his life. Second, Kate's banishment of Jon's family has now been unilaterally overturned by Jon."
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Which is precisely why I just have to hold out hope for Jon. I definitely think Jon is depressed; he's hit the wall. But one thing about hitting the wall: when it all starts to crumble and fall, you put it together again, in a new way because it can never go back the old way and, as a consequence, it's stronger.

I have a sense about this and I could be really wrong, but I think Jon, as a guy still forming in his 20s, is getting a better sense of what he needs to do for himself and his family in his 30s (my experience with some of the guys in my life is that they really don't get it together until they're in their 30s, although I'm not trying to make any generalizations here). We all want this stopped RIGHT NOW but I am positive there are things in a contract with the reality show that make it difficult to break any agreements. I think he really loved Kate and found it easier to defer to her than argue with her but I've been around quiet, laid-back guys similar to Jon: the time comes, and they break out. Sooner or later, they find their voice. And when they do, they usually mean business. And there's rarely any turning back for them. If he can find some good direction and have a plan for his life and career I, again, have to hold out hope that he will make new and better decisions for his children. If he's talking to his mom, and he obviously had great respect and love for his father, he will fall back on their teachings the further he gets away from Kate's influence and dictatorship. We keep wanting him to man-up, and I think he's going to get there. He's human; he probably hasn't known what to do with the woman.

I am holding out hope that behind the scenes, he's talking a lot to those kids and trying to give them some balance. I'm willing to give him some time.

Of course, I could change my mind tomorrow....

Anonymous said...

aren't_men_lovely

Consistently high ratings translates to higher rates the network (TLC) can charge its advertisers and/or sponsors.

Not watching the show hurts the advertisers/sponsors because they are losing potential customers (revenue).

Personally I can't stomach watching the show because I find Kate Gosselin positively revolting. The way she pets her kids makes me wanna puke.

Mom of 3 Pirates said...

debi said...

"Kate seems to now have a new agenda, and to me it's all about HER. "

Someone posted on this site somewhere that a good title would be
KATE & KATE plus KATE

Too funny.

WhenStayingTogetherIsBad said...

My husband grew up in a household where the parents SHOULD have been divorced. Instead, they stayed together, for many reasons (keep up appearances, religious, practical necessity, etc.) and it was a living hell for their three kids. Dishes would fly; hurtful words only got more hurtful; arguments were the "music" of my husband's childhood existence. To this day, if our discussion and debates accelerate, he will actually wince and say, "stop yelling, stop yelling" and walk away because it brings back too many horrible memories and he doesn't ever want to live his adult life the way he had to live his youth. The parents never physically laid a hand on each other or one of the kids, but the emotional toil on everyone in the house left unhealed, festering wounds which turned into ugly, permanent scars. As they closed off from one another while having to still share space and an unbearable life as a fake couple, withering in their unhappiness and turning to stone, the parents eventually closed off from the kids (emotional neglect being just another form of abuse). All three kids grew up into successful, but troubled adults. They hide emotion with sarcasm a lot of the time. They retreat into shells. Fortunately and amazingly, they all three wound up with good spouses because they made real sure they married someone who was the exact opposite of their warring parents, vowing never to continue the cycle of emotional abuse that cloaked them til they were out on their own. My husband never threw the sins of his parents back in their faces. It was always a complicated relationship mixed with resentment and compromised love. He cried when they died in old age. But the burdens of growing up in that tension-filled environment will always temper what should have been better memories of his mother and father.

Sometimes divorce is better. Never great...but better.

If Every Word said...

The ones who used Jon and Kate to fill their own pockets with donations? Why does no one come and help this family get back on the right track?

They may be busy preparing a class action lawsuit for alleged fraud involving the collection of those love offerings. See Matt Heckman's blog, "Pennsylvania Conservative."

Josie said...

This is what I don't understand about the entire situation is IF Jon had treated Kate in a manner we have seen Kate treat Jon then every ABUSE group in America would be on a bandwagon about why is this show on the air showing this man heap emotional abuse upon his wife BUT for years it has been Jon being abused...does this not equal spousal abuse also? no one seems to recognize this. To me in his interviews Jon reminds me of women I have seen in battered spouse groups...beaten down, depressed, he has no sense of self, no sense he is worth anything, and has no self esteem left at all....This is any way does NOT condone an affair but I don't think he had one...I believed he made friends with someone who said something positive to him and when a person has been beaten down so bad they will gravitate to something positive to validate themself because they feel so beaten down. I want to know where all the spousal abuse groups are..or do they only stick up for abused women

for the record said...

I stopped watching this show last summer. Not for any "righteous" reason but just because I found it to be boring to watch. Fast forward to Tuesday night and my sister turned it on while she was at my house. I made her turn it off because it was SO uncomfortable to watch. I've purused this site on and off since February and I just wanted to post the following for those who say these two shouldn't get divorced and work on their marriage for the kids. I respect your experiences as one whose parents were divorced when you were a child but I have to speak up from the other side. I am the oldest sibling and my parents did not get divorced until I was 26 years old. Prior to the divorce, I moved out of my parents house to go to college at 18 and never moved back. Visits to their house were a rare occurence as well. My parents lived in teh same house for years and did not speak (example: when I asked my mom for her cell phone number, she gave it to me and then asked me to give her my dad's number when I got it). I would have a reaction similar to a panic attack when I would walk into their house because the tension and unhappiness was so thick. The times they did speak, it was very nasty. The portion of the show that I watched on Monday reminded me so much of those negative feelings that I beleive those two cannot get divorced quick enough. Their relationship is toxic to each other and to their children and will impact their kids' future relationships. While I don't believe in blaming childhood for poor decisions made as an adult, I believe childhood shapes how we react to things and how we manage relationships with others.

Don'tgetdiscouragedbyratings said...

I know some people keep begging us not to watch b/c it will only create more interest and prolong the show. Some are saying not to buy the tabloids. I think there is another way to look at it. The more we buy/support the tabloids, the more $$ they make and the more they WANT to crank out stories about the Gosselins. This is good for our overall cause, I think. To keep the stories coming they will dig deeper and most likely uncover more dirt/the truth on the family. This will lead to more Anti-Gosselin sentiment and eventually these people will be forced off the air. Just look at the success of GWOP! Tabloids give this site press. Journalists use GWOP as a source in their stories and refer to the site causing more people to come here and read the truth about KON.
**Yes, it would be best if we could get everyone to stop watching** but by getting people to watch who normally wouldn't, and to have them join in our "quest" and pass their knowledge on to friends and family... I think it will push for a change in how society views what we believe to be child exploitation. Having the show end due to poor ratings will not protect future children of reality shows. Having this show booted off the air (eventually) by millions of people crying child exploitation will hopefully not only save these kids, but ALSO the ones who aren't in front of the cameras yet.
I say bring on any media outlet that will expose these parents and discourage any future Jon and Kates/ Octomoms from doing this to their children. The ratings the other night were high but the overall response from viewers was very negative. That is a good thing for the kids! I know everyone wants to spare the kids from any more time in front of the camera but if we can be patient and look at the bigger picture... maybe we can protect other kids too?? Just a thought...

Marie France said...

just wondering said...
nanasez said...
Kate must have made a REALLY bad nurse! I mean...can you imagine being sick in the hospital and having this woman in charge of your well-being??? She is very "un-nursy-ish"!

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I really want to know just what motivated her into becoming a nurse. Not a field for narcissists, actually.

Was she studying? Taking notes on how to have lots of children? Did only having the twins disappoint her?
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I think in Kate's disturbed and delusional mind, she went into her two-year diploma nursing program because she BELIEVED she could snag a doctor for a husband - someone who made big bucks and give her the lifestyle to which she wholeheartedly believes she is entitled. What doctor would marry that tacky piece of uneducated, UN-gracious trailer trash? Do you bring this gum-smacking, mean, snotty thing home to meet your mommy? I think not.

Kerry said...

TLC was quoted on Showbiz Tonite as saying the show has had the same camera crew since the beginning of the show..isn't that untrue? I haven't followed the show consistently and I thought I heard some of the original camera crew members are no longer with the show? TLC seems as in denial as Kate is as they also claim they only film 2 hours a day twice a week and that no cameras are allowed in the kid's bedrooms.

just wondering said...

http://mheckman.berksblognet.com/


The Gosselin Insanity and how to make the love offerings stop and file a lawsuit.

Included is a phone number!!

MossHill said...

I used to get such a kick from this show – the children were just adorable, and it was fun listening to the parental reaction and feedback.

But as time wore on, it became more and more uncomfortable. Kate’s constant and increasing berating of Jon made me cringe. It was like watching a literal repeat of my own father. He was abusive to our household, sniping at, belittling and humiliating us. But then there were some times he could be nice. You just never knew. It was like walking through a meadow full of broken glass. I’m middle aged, and to this day I’m in therapy. In my adult head, I know he had problems, but my “interior six-year-old” still is trying to understand why my own Daddy seemed to hate me so much …

“Mir”‘s statement was dead-on: “ … We felt like we had to earn … love or try to deserve … attention. … I can remember us doing all kinds of crazy stuff … essentially groveling to earn just a hint of [her] love and attention.” This shines a light on Mady’s behaviors – it was a sign that things were going poorly far before anyone outside realized it.

Kate’s “love taps” on Jon also just didn’t seem right; in most society such an act would appear hostile and antagonistic. It’s not a thing children should see – where do you think these kids got the idea to constantly smack each other ?

This quote was pasted on the stair wall in the Gosselin’s old house: “James 1:19: Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath.” Has Katie Irene forgotten her own posting ?

The “Go Green” episode was especially horrifying. I kept wondering throughout the show if this perhaps could have been someone’s way of getting Kate’s really dark behavior on the air *on purpose* …

Kate knew what Jon was like when they married – I guess she’d never heard the lesson that you cannot change a person’s true nature; did she think she could change him ? The tears she shed were not about sorrow, they were about her loss of control of the situation.

Jon gets a gold star for a least taking the high road and NOT bashing Kate on tape, when he had every right to give back as good as she’s given. [Just wait until the kids Google *that*.]

I‘d like to be on their doorstep right now with the SPCA to take those poor dogs away. They appear to be relegated to the basement, not involved in family life but for outside activity and their need to be fed. And how is it I have not seen any mention of the way Kate kicked one of them out the sliding door [the puppy yelped] ?

TLC won’t cancel - Kate would probably sue for breach of contract.

Save the Gosselin 8.

Many thanks to all the moderators for their care, concern and work.

nanasez said...

TLC was quoted on Showbiz Tonite as saying the show has had the same camera crew since the beginning of the show..isn't that untrue? I haven't followed the show consistently and I thought I heard some of the original camera crew members are no longer with the show?

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That IS untrue. Cameraman Scott (the guy one of the tup boys wanted to name a puppy after) now films the Duggar's show.

And the producer, Jen, has gone. There's a male producer, now.

entitlethemnot said...

Josie said...

This is what I don't understand about the entire situation is IF Jon had treated Kate in a manner we have seen Kate treat Jon then every ABUSE group in America would be on a bandwagon about why is this show on the air showing this man heap emotional abuse upon his wife BUT for years it has been Jon being abused...does this not equal spousal abuse also? no one seems to recognize this. To me in his interviews Jon reminds me of women I have seen in battered spouse groups...beaten down, depressed, he has no sense of self, no sense he is worth anything, and has no self esteem left at all....This is any way does NOT condone an affair but I don't think he had one...I believed he made friends with someone who said something positive to him and when a person has been beaten down so bad they will gravitate to something positive to validate themself because they feel so beaten down. I want to know where all the spousal abuse groups are..or do they only stick up for abused women



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I totally agree with you. What she did to him all these years was emotional abuse. And it tears away at your sense of self little by little over time. I am sure having it broadcast only exacerbates the damage done. It's not cute or funny or something that should be tolerated. I know at first, I was struck by how novel it was, to see a woman talking to her husband the way I have heard husbands speak to their wives. But the novelty wore off quickly. And I too believe he is a broken man from the constant barage he has received. Not excusing any of his recent behavior. But to me, it is no surprise he cannot find his way to separate from the show or Kate. That, as I have said before, would require gathering his gonads, and she has emasculated him and torn away his self esteem. He really could use the support of a domestic abuse group........No matter what happens, I hope he does some therapy to deal with the trauma. I know it may sound odd, him being a guy and all. But he is the poster boy of how emotional abuse destroys whoever it is aimed at.

Now tell me the kids haven't been hurt by witnessing their interactions or for that matter, Kate's blaming and shaming and embarrassing....

Here's hoping a truly new page will turn for the children, for Jon and indeed even Kate - and SOON!

Willow #1 said...

I so agree with Marie France. I always thought Kate had to be in it for meeting a doctor as she always hated people so much. I think she hadn't met a doctor yet, but Jon was the SON of a doctor (dentist) and she grabbed him and then, as another mentioned, had the kids right away for several reasons, one of which was to hang on to Jon and his dad's money. Guess things didn't exactly go her way, huh? Her treatment of their families, though, apparently goes back almost to the beginning and that is just a real puzzle. She is just SO extreme - and now she thinks she can get someone even better (i.e., richer) than a doctor. This is JUST MY OPINION. Just something I always thought made sense to me. I have known a couple of real "piece of work" narcissists -- but they can't hold a candle to Kate. Jon - Good luck to you and the kids!!!

entitlethemnomore said...

Kon Is Wrong Said:


I even recall an episode where after slapping John quite hard on the cheek, Kate says to him something like "don't be a victim, John, victimization in men is really unattractive". Imagine for just one second that John said after slapping Kate on the cheek "don't be a victim Kate, victimization among women is unattractive". The whole nation would rightly be in an uproar. I am not trying to dismiss all of John's actions, but when you think of him as the victim of emotional abuse, he seems much more understandable. It is very disturbing to think of what kind of impact this is having on the kids' self esteem.


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Yes to everything you said. And in addition to the issue of the self esteem of the children because the witnessed abuse, there is the issue of guano flowing downstream, meaning: Kate abuses Jon, Jon takes it and takes it, and then it seeps onto the kids, and he is sharp, short tempered, grabbing them by their shoulder, raising his voice, making rash decisions about consequences for less than ideal choices. Or, he will start getting nit-picky with the kids like his wife has been for all the seasons. Another great reason why it matters to get Jon help regardless, so the guano stops flowing downstream onto the kids. And yep, on this point alone, I think they will need counseling to untangle the damage/trauma and to re-establish a healthy norm.

angell said...

I wish the parents could see the physical signs of their children being stressed out, like Collin rocking on the table before they sing happy bday, that's a clear sign of stress. Mady storming off after the pic, which I cant say I wouldnt do and who knows what else goes on that doesnt make it on to the show?!

ihave8 said...

Kate wasn't having a good time with the kids. She was laughing like a Hyena (sp). Even the other Moms looked at her like she was a looney toon.

ihatekate said...

kate, it is true that we are all responsible for our own actions. jon is now taking responsibility for his life by separating himself from you, the source of his loss of self esteem.
i only hope that your 8 kids will grow up with a healthy, solid sense of self, despite all your screaming tirades.

NeverLikedKate said...

Jennifer said...

No divorce. They have EIGHT kids. People advocating divorce do not fully comprehend what that would mean. I think you are striking out against Kate. Those child love their parents. Think of the scene at the park with Collin and Kate and the little girl telling Jon not to leave so much. You cannot replace the Gosselin childrens' parents, even Kate. We might talk about her on here, but her kids love her. They would be crushed with a divorce.
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Some would say that my information is relevant...however...

I have worked in a group home situation with teen boys.

Most of these boys were removed from their parents for physical abuse, verbal/mental abuse, and drug abuse.

You would be surprised how many times these kids have said "I love my mom. She's a good mom." and "I want to live with my mom/dad." "Someday my mom/dad will want me."

Kids with the worst parents can have a type of Stockholm Syndrome where they love and admire their captors/parents. Every kid wants to love and be loved by their parents. The anger and hatred sets in much later. And I know that from my own personal experience.

Miss Brown Betti said...

If Kate didn't want the "P" people @ the party then why the h**l didn't she have it held @ the mansion? Isn't there something like 32 acres?

Notice that poor Collins balloon flew off into the sky but Kate sure made sure that she secured Hannie's to her wrist.

Another thing....Kate smirked @ the camera when she double parked.
NO RESPECT I tell ya.

MossHill said...

Andrew Vachss wrote a searing article on the subject of emotional abuse:

“ … of all the many forms of child abuse, emotional abuse may be the cruelest and longest-lasting of all.

“… it is often as painful as physical assault. And, with rare exceptions, the pain lasts much longer. A parent's love is so important to a child that withholding it can cause a "failure to thrive" condition similar to that of children who have been denied adequate nutrition.

“Even the natural solace of siblings is denied to those victims of emotional abuse who have been designated as the family's "target child." The other children are quick to imitate their parents. Instead of learning the qualities every child will need as an adult—empathy, nurturing and protectiveness—they learn the viciousness of a pecking order. And so the cycle continues.

“But whether as a deliberate target or an innocent bystander, the emotionally abused child inevitably struggles to "explain" the conduct of his abusers—and ends up struggling for survival in a quicksand of self-blame

“When it comes to damage, there is no real difference between physical, sexual and emotional abuse. All that distinguishes one from the other is the abuser's choice of weapons.”

I STRONGLY urge that everyone read the article, and peruse the site. The link is:

http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html

[“Andrew Vachss (pronounced “Vax”) is an attorney who represents children and youth exclusively, has 30 years experience in child protective work … he is also a best-selling novelist who writes legal thrillers about child abuse … His entire law career, his best-selling novels, even his previous jobs running prisons and youth detention centers, have been dedicated to a single purpose—protecting children from abuse.”]

MossHill said...

The Vachss link did not print completely, so here's another way.

Go to http://www.vachss.com/

then go to "Articles", click on "Articles *By* Vachss", and go to "You Carry the Cure In Your Own Heart" (Parade Magazine, August 28, 1994)

Please, please, please read this article.

Jana said...

Kon is Wrong said:
Most people have had a friend in an abusive relationship and can attest to the fact that the victim usually does not have a solid grasp on the characteristics of the abuser. If the roles were reversed and if John was a woman, this show would be justifiably over by now and Kate might be in at least an anger management program. It is such a double standard. I even recall an episode where after slapping John quite hard on the cheek, Kate says to him something like "don't be a victim, John, victimization in men is really unattractive".* * *
* * *
I definitely agree that classic signs of abusive behavior are present, such as isolation from friends and family, constant put-downs (often said "jokingly" and then if the person gets upset, the abuser pretends it was just a joke, "can't you take a joke?"), physical manifestations (the slaps, some right to the face), and the constant belittling to the children. "Daddy's mean, don't listen to Daddy."

Furthermore, sounds like Kate has controlled the money throughout the marriage. I believe the story about keeping him on an allowance.

It's all about control, subjugation, and making the other person think they are worthless, stupid, and can't do anything right unless you are there to monitor them. Kate has all those traits -- but the really scary thing is what she is doing to her own boys, who are defenseless. I think Collin is a very troubled young boy already, and it's so heartbreaking to watch this woman make her own sons feel worthless, "dirty", "icky," and unloved.

TLC -- I grow to despise your network more with each episode you run of this show. You have lost me as a viewer probably for life.

Jennifer said...

NeverLikedKate -

To compare Kate to parents who abused their children and had them taken away is beyond silly. That is so over the line, I'm stunned.

Yes, I stand by my comments that Kate's kids love her and would be crushed if there was a divorce. Even Kevin and Jodi aren't advocating a divorce. In fact, they say on one RadarOnline interview that a divorce would destroy the kids. Go watch the interview, I'm sure it is still up.

I am very aware of the behavior in abused children that you are speaking of and the Gosselin children DO NOT fit that mold at all.

Kate is a kook said...

Oh good grief! US mag is reporting that Kate is releasing a cookbook in October called 'Love is in the Mix'..this woman needs to be institutionalized..Here's a better title for you Kate..'Love don't live here anymore: Yummy recipes I stole from Mother's who can actually cook'

PA Mom said...

Wow! It just occured to me why Kate is so upset there is paparazzi following her!
Because they will capture and show what is **actually** happening to those children!

All the staging will be captured.
All the edited out barking orders, yelling and meltdowns will be captured (although, TLC has proven even they can't edit out all her yelling and screaming).
All the **true** situations will be documented, shared and revealed.

She is so transparent!

One minute she says the kids are used to the cameras.
The next minute, through the gargantuan encampment of her OWN film crew, she is complaining about the little, itty, bitty pap cameras.
I doubt her kids, already surrounded by a dozen camera, sound, lighting men and production crew, are noticing a few paps in the mix.

What they ARE noticing are Kate's frosty stares, rude comments to her husband and the way she completely ignored him (unless **she** wanted to open the pinata or needed her cell phone or needed the cakes).

Still on to you Kate.
Still on to you TLC.

Not a fan of paps, but at least THEY are getting the truth and exposing what is really going on.

sueshe said...

.My parents divorced when I was 21 yrs. old. Though I was not a young child, the pain of it was incredible. My mother was very similar to Kate with respect to control. Her manipulation was incredible, and we put up with it for so many years because we loved her. After the divorce, my father dated, and even ended up marrying another woman. But she didn't want us around, my father got fed up, divorced her after just 10 months of marriage.
We were so happy when my mother and father got back together, promised things would definitely change, and they remarried. It didn't take long after to see that my mother never changed, only got worst. I had to part ways from her (them) because the pain of her actions became so severe to me, my young babies, and my husband that I could not take it anymore.
I was gone for 5 painful years, and then got a call unexpectantly one day that my mother was dying and to please come back. I did, and was there for the last weeks of her life. She apologized to me for being so nasty to me. It was really ashame that she had to admit to that on her dying bed.
My kids are almost all grown now, she has been gone for just about 12 years. When I look back at my life with her, it was ugly, verbally abusive, lack of love, and she never, ever participated in anything in my life (and I mean everything....my prom, graduation, my wedding, my children's births, birthdays, and even when we lost our home when hurricane Andrew hit, she turned her back on us and wouldn't help us. I had 2 young children and a brand new baby).
I see Kate doing very similar things in very similar fashion, and I feel for Jon. He has been torn up and spit out. Jon certainly isn't perfect. BUT...for what I saw on tv, whenever she asked or demanded he do something, he did it. And he put up with her never ending insults and corrections.
And what is up with the obsession with the spa....and to take the young ones on top of it. I had my first spa treatment at 46. What the hell is this woman teaching these kids???
Though I hate to see anyone go through a divorce, especially when children are involved, in this situation I think it would be very healthy. Let Jon have the kids, I don't think Kate would put up a fight, unless of course TLC is involved.
She is a mother for camera only, Jon is a full time father.
Why do I watch this show? The kids are so darn cute and precious, I wish I could just take them away from this mess. I find I can so relate to Jon's situation, and I really feel for him and his kids.
But it is long past the time that I need to stop watching, because I am only supporting a network that is thriving on ratings, and has the same feeling for the kids that Kate does. Their only mutual interest is money, money, money.
I am truly amazed at TLC's behavior through all this, and am amazed that they continue to air this destruction of a family, and even highlight the couples split. They are doing a great job at making Kate look like the victim. Her crocodile tears are really too much....
I hope that one day Jon will write his book, and give us a tell all on Kate's vicious ways. It is beginning to come out now, the $5 allowance, can't see his brothers, etc. Now that would be a best seller, I guarantee it, (but I wonder how much Kate will have to pay him to keep his mouth shut).
I wish there was something we could do to stop Kate and her tv show. But TLC is feeding Kate, and Kate is feeding TLC.
I guess TLC feels this is tv at it's best!

Loaded With Questions Today said...

Memorial Day...Jon is photographed drinking a beer at a bar and grill in NY with two ladies.

Kate is with the kids on a ferry in N.C....most likley filming.

***Is she really doing the show on her own now? Well, when I say "on her own", I mean without Jon, because she clearly has lots of help ( was that not-a-nanny holding the tups hands ? )

***Does anybody else but me think Jon's personality change is due to some kind of substance abuse or use? Seems like he is totally flippant about what he does in public anymore, and it seems to involve alcohol more often than not. He seems to be showing signs of anxiety and/or depression lately.

Wonder what his church thinks about all this ( and the ones who paid him and Kate big bucks to come speak ).

What will really chap my arse is if she does he show on her own, as a single mother with 8 kids, yet behind the scenes has help coming out the wazoo.

Stretch said...

Look at justjared.com today and there is a posting there with her smiling ear-to-ear that is all about her releasing her new COOKBOOK. Is it about heating up frozen chicken fingers?

Maude said...

The question has been raised, 'why did Kate want to be a nurse', or 'can you imagine what kind of nurse Kate was?' I saw something really interesting several months ago that stated that a small percentage of people who go into the nursing field have control issues. Of course the VAST majority become nurses out of compassion and a need to help others, but a small number like the control factor.

My mother was in and out of hospital for several years before she died and her nurses were literally angels, but every once in a while there was one you just had to wonder about...

While I'm on the subject, Joel Gate is on and Kate says they quickly realized they were dealing with the "real" flu. Doesn't someone who went through nursing school know that the "real" flu is influenza which is a respiratory infection not an intestinal infection?

Am I nitpicking? Whatever, it still irks me how little medical knowledge she seems to have.

Sue said...

Kate is like a moth drawing ever closer to the heat of fame.
She is unaware that it will be her death knell.

MrsMartin205 said...

Did anyone else notice how it seemed like Kate was trying her hardest to seem more "fun"? She laughed more during the birthday episode than I've seen in past shows. Also, she tried to make it seem like she didn't care how the decorations went up- as long as they got up. That didn't seem like the Kate I've been watching!

And I just don't believe she wouldn't have had a meltdown over those bugs!

My husband also pointed out how she was so quick to want to rip open the pinatas. (hope I spelled that right) He said he thinks she was thinking that since Jon didn't help with the party then he shouldn't help with the pinatas!

Ugh- her PR person needs to learn how to not make it OBVIOUS that they're trying to turn her image around!

Pamela said...

It just amazes me that K and J use the "Christian" card now that they are in the hot seat.I had a roofer once tell me he was a Christian and guess what he also took me for a ride.She is so transparent and the sick way she ignores the boys of that family make me gag.I usually never post to blogs but this woman brings out the blood curdling madness in even the best of us.Oh and I had my hair cut today and the girls cutting all said NO ONE wants that garbage do that that Gosselin woman is sporting..So Kate even her in podunk Michigan you are not all that.

My5blessings said...

NeverlikedKate wrote:

Some would say that my information is relevant...however...

I have worked in a group home situation with teen boys.

Most of these boys were removed from their parents for physical abuse, verbal/mental abuse, and drug abuse.

You would be surprised how many times these kids have said "I love my mom. She's a good mom." and "I want to live with my mom/dad." "Someday my mom/dad will want me."

Kids with the worst parents can have a type of Stockholm Syndrome where they love and admire their captors/parents. Every kid wants to love and be loved by their parents. The anger and hatred sets in much later. And I know that from my own personal experience.
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I've read a few posts, honestly waaaaaaaaaay too many to sort through on the "to divorce or not to divorce." As if it were up to any of us here.

I happen to agree with what you've said above. This pertains to abused children, not children of divorce.

Just about every person here will and has said Jon and particularly Kate have dished out some form of emotional abuse.

As far as if they divorce and if it is better to divorce or stay married, it's subjective. We all have our own opinions on the matter.
We all are basing our opinions on personal experiences in our lives.

I continue to believe they are causing way more harm keeping the children in the environment they are currently placed in. With parents at each other's throats constantly. Not knowing what will happen next. It's very unfair and very abusive.

There are obviously those here who have been very hurt by divorce.

Without taking away anything from the posters who feel stay married no matter what the cost, I stand by my own opinion and thank God I'm entitled to do so.

I would dare say there are just as many who are happy their parents made the decision to divorce as we have read.

If the Gosselins stay married, and remain in the unhealthy *relationship* they are in at this time....... I feel greatly for the children. It would be a travesty to stay together for the "sake" of the children and continue on the destructive path they are on.

My5blessings said...

WhenStayingTogetherIsBad wrote:

My husband grew up in a household where the parents SHOULD have been divorced. Instead, they stayed together, for many reasons (keep up appearances, religious, practical necessity, etc.) and it was a living hell for their three kids. Dishes would fly; hurtful words only got more hurtful; arguments were the "music" of my husband's childhood existence. To this day, if our discussion and debates accelerate, he will actually wince and say, "stop yelling, stop yelling" and walk away because it brings back too many horrible memories and he doesn't ever want to live his adult life the way he had to live his youth. The parents never physically laid a hand on each other or one of the kids, but the emotional toil on everyone in the house left unhealed, festering wounds which turned into ugly, permanent scars. As they closed off from one another while having to still share space and an unbearable life as a fake couple, withering in their unhappiness and turning to stone, the parents eventually closed off from the kids (emotional neglect being just another form of abuse). All three kids grew up into successful, but troubled adults. They hide emotion with sarcasm a lot of the time. They retreat into shells. Fortunately and amazingly, they all three wound up with good spouses because they made real sure they married someone who was the exact opposite of their warring parents, vowing never to continue the cycle of emotional abuse that cloaked them til they were out on their own. My husband never threw the sins of his parents back in their faces. It was always a complicated relationship mixed with resentment and compromised love. He cried when they died in old age. But the burdens of growing up in that tension-filled environment will always temper what should have been better memories of his mother and father.

Sometimes divorce is better. Never great...but better.
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:( Of all the posts I've read thus far, this one was the hardest to read. Again, without knowing any of you, my heart broke for this family, for your husband and his siblings.
Very sad, I hope everyone reads this and hears it within their hearts.
What a profound statement.

"Sometimes divorce is better. Never great...but better."

KatiebugandBraybray'smommy said...

Jon said " I can't write" . Some people don't even think i can breathe right not so subtle dig qat Kate! Didn't pick up on it at first but HA ! Our Jonny boy actually has a sense of humor . well I found it funny anyway! ( Just remember that ep. when she asked him to breathe quieter and asked does anyone else hear him breathing?)

My5blessings said...

Did anyone else notice how it seemed like Kate was trying her hardest to seem more "fun"? She laughed more during the birthday episode than I've seen in past shows. Also, she tried to make it seem like she didn't care how the decorations went up- as long as they got up. That didn't seem like the Kate I've been watching!
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Absolutely noticed:)

I think everyone did, well the not Kate fans. I'm sure the Fans thought differently.

They are grasping desperately for that lifeboat which I pray does not come. Trying to do some serious damage control.

I wonder........ how many times did it take her to get her *lines* right about her appreciation of her "fans?" I can hear the --"take ten thousand and two" LOL

Must have been some serious pride swallowing as we all know she appreciates noone but herself.

jonandkatewho? said...

I personally hope nobody is stupid enough to buy Kate's new act. It was blatant and obvious to most of us what she and TLC were trying to "get"...but they failed miserably if you ask me.

Even the so-called sheeple who have watched this show for years cannot possibly buy that this woman has changed this much. It was just icky to watch, so against type. Kate probably screamed and yelled every time the camera was not on her, and probably actually hurled from having to pretend to be nice.

And some of her ugly showed through anyway. Notice that? NO matter how hard they tried to spin her into a new lovable Kate, the ugly shone right through.

Teryn said...

Kate Gosselin and Spencer Pratt. Two peas in a pod.

Although....now that I think about it...Spencer IS trying harder lately to not be quite as sleazy.

Naj said...

Pamela said...
It just amazes me that K and J use the "Christian" card now that they are in the hot seat.
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That is what irks me the most about her! Everything this woman does is the antithesis of how a Christian wife and mother is supposed behave. Everything-- from her contempt and disrepect for the children's father to her overtly worshiping material things and selling her children into TV slavery to get them.

Yet her books are marketed to Christian groups. It is insane! It's like a cannibal touring vegan communes with his new cookbook.

Yet I keep seeing post from folks who talk like they know that Kate and Jon will find their way back to God. When were they ever there?

As for divorce, if any two people on the planet need to be apart from one another for the sake of the kids, it's these two. The children are being moulded by how they see their parents treat one another and it's only going to be a disaster if they stay together.

Naj said...

Kon is Wrong said...
I have said it before, and I will say it again. If the roles were reversed between John and Kate, this show would be over by now.
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Exactly! I said it on another thread, but Kate is getting a pass for horrible behavior that no male would be allowed to do on TV (and live).

NoControlIssue! said...

Maude said...

The question has been raised, 'why did Kate want to be a nurse', or 'can you imagine what kind of nurse Kate was?' I saw something really interesting several months ago that stated that a small percentage of people who go into the nursing field have control issues. Of course the VAST majority become nurses out of compassion and a need to help others, but a small number like the control factor.

My mother was in and out of hospital for several years before she died and her nurses were literally angels, but every once in a while there was one you just had to wonder about...

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THAT is really hilarious!
I am a nurse and yes I know you indicated a "small number" supposedly do this , but when you are a nurse you have VERY LITTLE CONTROL over MOST things. You TAKE doctor's orders, and carry them out. You go by a very rigid SCHEDULE of whatever shift you work (made by hospital protocols, nursing standards ,etc and sometimes State regulating agencies). And not the least, you ANSWER to your patients: their call bells , needs, wants, --that is bedside nursing.
One thing you do NOT have is much AUTONOMY or CONTROL.
Ha ha !
And No, I have posted before I have no idea why someone like Kate would go in to nursing. But she is CLEARLY ill-suited, and I for one am uber-happy she is no longer practicing nursing.
!!!!!

Josie said...

Jennifer said...

NeverLikedKate -

To compare Kate to parents who abused their children and had them taken away is beyond silly. That is so over the line, I'm stunned.

Yes, I stand by my comments that Kate's kids love her and would be crushed if there was a divorce. Even Kevin and Jodi aren't advocating a divorce. In fact, they say on one RadarOnline interview that a divorce would destroy the kids. Go watch the interview, I'm sure it is still up.

I am very aware of the behavior in abused children that you are speaking of and the Gosselin children DO NOT fit that mold at all.
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I never said I thought Kate was abusing her children...I SAID SHE WAS/HAS BEEN ABUSING JON...even though I can't speak for everyone I think she treats the girls much better than she treats her son's..she calls them dirty, icky and things and that can't be good for a child to hear..and as they get older they will see she favors the girls over the boys...

Now this is my opinion ONLY but the only real affection I have ever seen those kids recieve has been from their dad...the only time you see Kate show any affetion for these children is when she is trying to show off and if you look with open eyes you can see that the kids look bewildered as to why she is acting like this because they are not used to REAL affection from her and she does it for the CAMERAS...

but since TLC refuses to pull the plug and there seem to be no labor laws in effect...we need to find out what county they live in and start pounding on the local DFACS and asking them for intervention on behalf of the children...to avoid confusion I am not saying they need to be removed but I believe this is the only people that can MAKE TLC stop the fliming and exploiting of these children and to me thats the only way they can even have a chance to have a normal life...and all these people would have to do is see the tapes of the abuse she has heaped upon Jon for years to question if she is really doing what is in the best interest of her children..

just wondering said...

NoControlIssue! said...
Maude said...

The question has been raised, 'why did Kate want to be a nurse', or 'can you imagine what kind of nurse Kate was?' I saw something really interesting several months ago that stated that a small percentage of people who go into the nursing field have control issues.
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THAT is really hilarious!
I am a nurse and yes I know you indicated a "small number" supposedly do this , but when you are a nurse you have VERY LITTLE CONTROL over MOST things. You TAKE doctor's orders, and carry them out. You go by a very rigid SCHEDULE of whatever shift you work (made by hospital protocols, nursing standards ,etc and sometimes State regulating agencies). And not the least, you ANSWER to your patients: their call bells , needs, wants, --that is bedside nursing.
One thing you do NOT have is much AUTONOMY or CONTROL.
Ha ha !
And No, I have posted before I have no idea why someone like Kate would go in to nursing. But she is CLEARLY ill-suited, and I for one am uber-happy she is no longer practicing nursing.
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Someone else offered the opinion that maybe she was looking for a rich doctor to land, but that doesn't feel right, either. A narcissist does not wrap their dream around someone else's career.

Besides, she has already stated that she liked "bad boys."

Nope.. She went into nursing for a very specific reason and I think that reason, whatever it is, will tell us a great deal about Kate.

just wondering said...

What was the name of that family of multiples that Kate studied? I can't remember it and am having trouble googling it.

McConahay or something along those lines?

Jeff said...

All for ratings.....

They are still together and proudly wear their wedding rings, look at the party pics.

mom-of-one said...

The McCaughey septuplets were the ones that Kate admitted to studying:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCaughey_septuplets

Nancy S said...

It is crazy that Kate can't see the image she is projecting of herself. It seems like she wants us all to see how motherly and sweet she is, but then she looks like a hard, disgusting rock star. Why is she so blind? Ugh!

kaitlinsnana said...

Nancy referred to Kate's inability to see how she appears and learn from her mistakes.

My sister was saying the same thing. Kate must have seen the shows; she must see that she comes across as a completely repulsive human, yet, she doesn't change, her behavior never changes.

Gail

shaketheskyintwo said...

wendyzr said...

Have you seen the preview for the next episode? I was watching ANIMAL PLANET for God's sake and it came on.
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I was watching Food Network and saw a preview for their show, what's up with that! I had to hurry up and turn it before it turned my stomach!

SarcasticMaxine said...

This is something I have always wondered about and have never heard it addressed. A long way back during a couch interview the camera person was asking questions and Jon admitted to having girlfriends and he asked Khate "something" and she answered "Maybe" in a very sheepish voice and a rather defiant manner. There was no other dialog about that... made me think the cameraman *knew* not to push that any further. Anyone know anything more about this? Would be very interesting to know more about her background before she met Jon. There has got to be something there!

glenda said...

Very Interesting. . .Yesterday I went to the TLC site to see what the reaction was. Kate's blog about getting ready for the birthday party was there and then there were hundreds of comments, mostly people begging them to quit the show and work on the marriage. Heartfelt sorrow was expressed but the overall message was clear--get out while you can. The family is more important than the show.

I went back today to see what else had been posted and the blog was gone--no explanation--just not there.

So, obviously TLC was overwhelmed by its own viewers saying the same things that have been expressed here and they pulled it.

BB Girl said...

So the Gosselins estimated wealth is 10 million dollars. After they both hire expensive divorce attorney's I bet they are worth a big fat ZERO. Jon has already said to friends that the money he gets from the divorce he wants to be put away for the kids. Jon the "LOSER" is finally putting the kids first. Looking forward to his interview next week.

Naj said...

I don't think Kate can 'see'herself in reality. What she sees is what she tells us--
She's strong, hardworking, a martyr etc. I'm sure watching old EPs she's thinking more along the lines of "Thats when we lived in THAT dump!" "That's when I had to wear ugly clothes!" "That's when I had to put up with Jon and the kids whining."

I sincerely believe she can't see what the rest of the worlds sees. She really believes she's a shining beacon of light and hope.

And fluffy bunnies and marshmallow cream.

Sue said...

I read somewhere (sorry, I can't remember if it was here) that Jon was seen over Memorial Day weekend with two women, while Kate was in N.C.
Even if he signed a secret contract that said he could date other women, he had better watch himself if he wants to present a good case to the divorce court.
On the last episode when he said, "I know what I know, and Kate knows what she knows", I wondered if he was referring to the contract that allowed them to see other people.

ManicNarcissism said...

2 points I would like to make.

My stepmom is a nurse and for years I heard her ask my dad, which one is acetometaphin again, tylenol or advil? I was 10 and I knew that simple thing. She graduated top of her nursing school and within a year left my dad for a doctor.

Second, narcissistic mothers are abusing their children. I lived it. It is more insidious than physical or verbal abuse because it takes you to adulthood to figure out why you feel the way you do about yourself. It corrupts every relationship you will ever have.

Things that make you go Hmm said...

It's amazing how Kate plays the Christian card when it's convenient. As a life-long Christian, it really irks me when people play that card. In my experience, it's usually done to hide non-Christian attitudes or behavior. Some of the most unethical people I know are the ones who preach to all who listen about how God did this and God gave them that ... yet they turn around and start smoking after they have been cured of a practically incurable cancer and been given a second chance at life, or leave their six-year-old child at home with a new roommate while they hit the bars while he sleeps. But I digress ...

Kate, rather than ANNOUNCE you are a Christian, try ACTING like one. Hypocrite.

fidosmommy said...

As far as re-inventing Kate and presenting her as kinder and gentler -- if that's what they were trying to do, they failed miserably. Remember the scenes at the house where she rolled her eyes and gasped in disgust at 2 of her children at the dining room table? Remember her suddenly standing up and declaring she was ready to leave and anyone who was not at the door within minutes would be left behind? Hardly a "nice" Kate was displayed there.
I found it appalling behavior toward children she has declared she missed A LOT.

I think the "niceishly" Kate at the party was strictly for the sake of the paparazzi (and their fake flashbulbs) and later for the moms at the party. It was surely damage control for the locals so the moms could say "I was there, and I found Kate quite agreeable and friendly. She laughed and joked around a lot, quite relaxed".
Remember, these are potential buyers of her books/videos and attendees of her future speeches.
One must make nice to potential clients!

Except it's hard to hide a mad skunk under a rosebush, and soon enough her true self was evident once again. All it took for Kate's true self to re-emerge was Jon showing up, having more cake than she needed (did she expect more guests than the number who came?) and being beat out at the piñata ripping/aggression relieving opportunity.

You can only be fake for a short time before the real self pokes through. I suspect the Kate we saw at home with her children was more in line with her "normal"
behavior.

On another note, I thought the house looked pretty messy. How unusual for a woman with OCD about cleanliness. I also noticed that one room had lots of clothes on the floor - and then I noticed that there was a person folding the clothes and putting them into piles on the floor. I wonder who that person was......

just wondering said...

shaketheskyintwo said...
wendyzr said...

Have you seen the preview for the next episode? I was watching ANIMAL PLANET for God's sake and it came on.
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I was watching Food Network and saw a preview for their show, what's up with that! I had to hurry up and turn it before it turned my stomach


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They are all owned by Discovery. I don't watch any of them any more and I wrote a snail mail to them to tell them why.

Josie said...

Very Interesting. . .Yesterday I went to the TLC site to see what the reaction was. Kate's blog about getting ready for the birthday party was there and then there were hundreds of comments, mostly people begging them to quit the show and work on the marriage. Heartfelt sorrow was expressed but the overall message was clear--get out while you can. The family is more important than the show.

I went back today to see what else had been posted and the blog was gone--no explanation--just not there.

So, obviously TLC was overwhelmed by its own viewers saying the same things that have been expressed here and they pulled it.
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The Blog is back up but I think they were doing some adjustments, any and all negative comments about TLC and Kate have been pulled from the comments section..

organizedblogroll said...

Poor Jon. Imagine introducing your new honey to your xwife.

He's screwed!!

Just FYI said...

Sue said...
I read somewhere (sorry, I can't remember if it was here) that Jon was seen over Memorial Day weekend with two women, while Kate was in N.C.
Even if he signed a secret contract that said he could date other women, he had better watch himself if he wants to present a good case to the divorce court.
On the last episode when he said, "I know what I know, and Kate knows what she knows", I wondered if he was referring to the contract that allowed them to see other people.

5/28/2009 2:02 PM




Hey Sue

I live in PA and am divorcing. Hubby had a skank on the side. The lawyers said almost impossible to be proven. I had pics of them together, records and copies of emails and cell, and he said basically without DNA proof....a judge usually wont rule it as adultry.

Naj said...

Well they've truly earned their rep as "The Lying Channel" if they're pulling all negative posts or those asking Kate and Jon to end the show and work on the marriage.

pam said...

The kids are now five and will be going to school. They need to face reality and go back to work and live a normal life like we all do. There are many large families who are not in the spot light nor get all those free hand outs. They should step aside and allow others to benefit from TLC's generosity.
They are set for life now. Do the Right thing and share those resources with others who could use the help.
Many families have been faced with infertility and their stories are inspriational as well.
I have been inspired to write a book as their life could be my life but the twist is..mine would be genuine and real. Maybe Beth would be willing to assist me. Wonder how to contact her....

Willow #1 said...

Oh my gosh - Jane Velez-Mitchell has Paul Peterson on right now and he is TRYING to talk about how hard it is on the kids but CARLOS DIAZ will not let him speak. Carlos D. has obviously been brainwashed-or whatever- by TLC. AMAZING!!! Paul P. says they need laws in PA to protect the kids and Carlos Diaz says they don't because the kids are not memorizing lines - they are just going places with their mommy. Unbelievable! C.Diaz says - paraphrasing - that its o.k. because the parents are making a lot of money and of course they will pass it to the kids at some point -- paraphrasing -- he goes on to say about the 40 episodes etc. but doesn't realize what he is saying and admitting without trying to. I am repeating all of this cuz I am just SO ANGRY!!!! Paul Peterson says he is very concerned about the kids.

JerseyShore said...

Carlos Diaz is just another talking head. He is a waste of space on that show. I guess there has to be a balance in the guests otherwise there would be no "spark". You need someone to counter or it doesn't make good TV. That's his job, he is not supposed to make sense, just to offer a differing view. Don't let it bother you.Who is he anyway?

Willow #1 said...

Sarcastic Maxine: The couch interview you are referring to was something along the lines of them talking about meeting for the first time at the picnic. They mentioned that part about Jon had a girlfriend when he met Kate and they asked Kate if she had boyfriends (I think the might have even said "bad boy" boyfriends or "lots" of boyfriends, or something) before she met Jon and she smirked big time and said maybe. If anyone else remembers more, yes, please let Maxine and I know. "Inquiring minds want to know". LOL.

Anonymous said...

I watched the view and it seems that the stars of this show are now very much on the topic of the Gosselins!
Ms. Walters did a whole thing of children's labor laws and that the parents have to save 100% of their money only taking a certain percentage for care/food/etc...
I watched tv and OMG four shows had the same topic!
But Barbara Walters stated they already filed today for divorce...and she did not say allegedly.

Willow #1 said...

Thanks Jersey Shore. You are so right. I have seen a million of these people - I don't know why I let that guy get to me so much!!! He just seemed like he could care less about the welfare of little children. I am feeling a little calmer now!! Ohmmmm. :)

mommy of 4 said...

A few thoughts...
Kon is wrong and Notthatkate- awesome posts!
Did anyone else notice that Kate said she just now is starting to appreciate the fans of the show? Did she not appreciate them when she moved into her new house?
An idea for a future episode- Dr. Phil or the Duggars come to help heal the marriage.
At the same time- I had a bit of a "Kate Gosselin" moment today myself (flying with 4 small children and a husband who is recovering from surgery and cannot lift anything), and I could hear a voice in my head telling me that I was acting like her. Boy, did I shut my mouth in a hurry and put on a smile! So in a small way, I am thankful for Kate!

Limerent said...

@concerned wife and mommy said...

I kept wondering why they had such a weird length of time for this episode. It was an hour and 13 minutes. Well, it hit me this morning. They can cut the 13 minutes of marriage discussions out and rerun this as a "normal" birthday episode.

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Someone else mentioned that the rerun was only 60 minutes. Personally, I think the initial airing was 75 minutes because there were that many commercials in between! Even my husband complained how long the commercials were.

TLC hit the jackpot on this one.

Limerent said...

@OriginalThoughts said...

from divorce 360:
Getting a Divorce in Pennsylvania? Divorce Law Cheat Sheet in the State of Pennsylvania

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This IS an interesting piece. TFS!

Limerent said...

Kate has been wearing her solitaire diamond necklace this year. I wonder if it is a gift from Jon from their wedding renewal vows last year, or if it is a gift she got for herself?

Jen K said...

Carlos Diaz is a waste of oxygen. He had said so himself last week that he had never even watched the show but they keep bringing that airhead on to comment.

Makes sense though...I'll be appearing on Nightline tonight with my solution for the financial crisis, global warming and the Iran nuke issues. Because I'm so qualified....

The dummies at HLN need to do some research and find people who are even remotely qualified to speak on a topic. Talk about lack of credibility.

Limerent said...

@ I want to know said...

I want to know...If Jon isn't living there... why isn't the Pap folling him in the evening...and finding out where he is actually living... come on.... u know... none of this makes any sense AT ALL! I am so confused! ;-)

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I've wondered about this, too. It could just be a matter of time, though.

You know, before this year, the show's success has been modest. The show is on cable, after all, which not everyone has. I was just wondering why the sudden interest in Jon--by all the gossip rags, mind you--around the time he happened to be involved with the 2am bar visits/college girl hookups, up to the Deanna Hummel fiasco.

I couldn't help but think that TLC might have tipped off the media outlets--one way to generate some buzz for the new season, KWIM? Television is a business, after all.

Lucinda Jane said...

Like most of you, I began watching J&K at the beginning, marveling at how a young couple with twins were able to cope with six adorable little babies. I thought Jon and Kate seemed like the perfect couple, who were only interested in raising a healthy happy brood. Of course, I also wondered about Kate's treatment of Jon from time to time, but just put it down to temporary frustrations and stress mechanisms. But after watching her on Monday Night, I couldn't believe what an arrogant, selfish, bitter and pathetic person she has become, and judging from all the other posts, I see I share a very common sentiment. As far as I can see, anyone who has suffered through all her verbal and physical tirades almost has the right to go looking elsewhere for some compassion and kindness. And while I don't condone anyone in starting a new relationship while married to another, I applaud Jon in trying to regain some of his dignity and confidence with someone else. I truly don't believe that this show will last much longer, for a couple of reasons;

1. The children, while once fun to watch as infants and toddlers, are growing up quickly and what was once cute and funny is now becoming nerve wracking and irritating (watching the boys fighting might be fun for the parents, but I wasn't amused. And what happens when the kids become old enough to say, "That's It. No More Pictures." (Like Maddy did at the Birthday Party) Yeah, Maddy....

2. Then there is Kate, who once wouldn't buy clothes for herself (unless Jon took her shopping) now sports a wardrobe which I sure outshines many celebrities. Who wants to watch a woman each week who becomes upset when she sheds a tear or two, only because it might ruin her professionally applied makeup? I remember how she looked in the beginning; fresh face, regular clothing and a humility which I found endearing. I really don't think many people will want to tune in to find out what spa Kate will be featuring this week or what Hotel is offering this overpaid woman a free vacation filled with luxurious perks?

I think what really galled me was how Kate insists on placing all the blame on Jon. Her comments were so blatantly self serving and obnoxious that I couldn't believe anyone could bring themselves to share them with the viewers who helped to make her fame possible.

Does she honestly believe that the media storm of ridicule is worth the price she must pay?

And of course, the children are the true victims of this sad charade. What kind of impact will this have on their lives. I think of the Dionne Quints and how difficult their lives were. I only hope this fades into obscurity before they are old enough to realize what their mother has done to them.

Hater said...

Mommy of 4, you bet she appreciates her fans now because she realizes how much cash they generated in the past and she wants to see that continue, especially if the show ends. You know her fans are already brainwashed and now Kate likes them, she really likes them. They must be in hog heaven after hearing that.

Limerent said...

I couldn't help but speculate on what Jon and Steve Neild were talking about in the pap video of the birthday party. I was guessing Jon was apologizing for the speculation surrounding him (Steve) and Kate? Just my guess. Talk about wanting to be a fly on the wall (or one of those pesky bugs).

Also, pap video shows Jon and Kate speaking civilly for a short time. Wished there was audio.

Josie said...

I have been on a reading frenzy all this week since I only watched the first shows this past weekend and then watching that disaster Monday night.

There seems to be a huge cry to remove this show but on the other hand there seems to be almost twice as many (as hard as it is to believe) that don't seem to see anything wrong with this show..so to them I say go to google and type in "Dionne Qunituplets"

this is the first paragragh that describes their lives

Their "mother" was a succession of nurses in white uniform. Their "father" was a brisk country doctor. Their "governesses" were the welfare minister of Ontario, the district supervisor of the Red Cross, and a court-appointed board of guardians. Their "playground" was a side-show/laboratory. Their "home" was a hospital.

They were the Dionne Quintuplets: Yvonne, Annette, Cécile, Emilie and Marie. Their story can be seen from many angles, but one thing is clear: They were removed from their home, made a $500-million industry by the Canadian government that would rival Niagara Falls as a tourist attraction, and were destroyed in the process.

there are 100's of pages of interviews and documents of what was done to these children and how badly it affected their life..and in my opinion this is where the Gosslin children are headed unless somebody steps in and stops the CAMERA'S!!

Sad said...

Oh, Jennifer honey, you are so sweetly naive...sometimes you don't have a choice in the matter...and whether you want a divorce or not, you are divorced. And whether you want some other woman around your kids or not, it happens. And whether you don't want your children exposed to a stepparent who doesn't treat them right or not, it happens. And whether you don't want a divorce when you have young children or not, it happens. Sometimes while you're still pregnant. With your 4th child. After 12 years together.

I know, because I live it every day. And now my ex is about to move two states away and my children are likely going to lose touch with him entirely...and there's not one damn thing I can do about it, other than try to be an even better mom to make up for their pathetic excuse for a father.

So don't think everyone who is divorced had a choice in the matter...but I wish you the best with your convictions, and hope your outcome is better than mine.

Limerent said...

Regarding Kate's abuse towards Jon (verbal digs and "love taps"), I always said they had what's called a co-dependent relationship. Jon put up with her for a very long time.

Except that Jon is now ready to bail out.

Jon rarely retaliated against Kate, but I always cheered when he did. He always did it with a sense of humor, never malice, unlike Kate's underhanded manner.

Jon has not said anything bad about Kate amidst this current mess. He was raised well by his mom and dad.

Skeptic said...

I am thinking that when Jon and Alexis were talking about him being away it could have been for some freebies thing like getting his chopper or even going to Utah to hang. It just seemed fake and a coincidence that it was "caught" on tape and that he initiated the conversation as if leading her. He said sometimes dads have to do work. He DID say he is now a corporation, that the kids are marketable and that there are surprises in store for the new season. Maybe he was off "working" on something for the show. I just don't think his being away is new to the kids in that he would have to ask if she missed him and she'd say don't go away again. Going away would be traveling to Utah or somewhere, not crashing at his mom's or the garage since they are supposedly used to him doing that nowadays.

Expositor said...

And the producer, Jen, has gone.

Is it just me, or does anyone else remember Jen confronting Kate about throwing a dirty diaper at her and Kate tried to act surprised and laught it off by saying "Oh I did?" As if heaving a P**P filled diaper at someone in your home is something to find funny.

NeverLikedKate said...

Jennifer said:

NeverLikedKate -

To compare Kate to parents who abused their children and had them taken away is beyond silly. That is so over the line, I'm stunned.

Yes, I stand by my comments that Kate's kids love her and would be crushed if there was a divorce. Even Kevin and Jodi aren't advocating a divorce. In fact, they say on one RadarOnline interview that a divorce would destroy the kids. Go watch the interview, I'm sure it is still up.

I am very aware of the behavior in abused children that you are speaking of and the Gosselin children DO NOT fit that mold at all.

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Jennifer,

Never in my comment did I state that Kate abused her children.

What I was trying to point out is that many children who DO NOT HAVE THE BEST PARENTS still love their parents and want to be with them.

I was not advocating divorce although I was a child of an abusive parent and begged and pleaded with my mom to take us far away from my dad.

IMO, the kids do love both their parents and want to be with them. Does that absolve their parents of the exploitation? No. Does that mean that divorce may not be the best option? No.

It simply points out that just because the kids love their parents doesn't mean that being in that family or having their parents stay married is the best thing for them.

There is nothing silly or over the top about my statements.

happyharpy said...

Why on earth is it so hard for you people to understand that maybe just maybe Kate Gosselin has changed in the 5 years she's been on t.v.???? She said a bunch of stuff 3 years ago and if she still doesn't do whatever stupid thing she said she did she's a big fat liar?? People change, not that hard of a concept to grasp. Also people say crap they don't mean. Why oh why is everything she says taken sooooo literally? It's obvious that she exaggerates. Big freaking deal. So she says she did something 10 million times instead of the actual 5 times she did it, who the hell cares? Why is everyone morally offended by it? Is it because you really believed that she did it 10 million times and now you feel stupid?

Save the Eight said...

This is all so sad.
I used to like this show and family and thought it was so wholesome.
I believe America has been duped and the blame lies first and foremost with TLC and Figure 8.

These are the people who went from following them to the park to planning all these elaborate trips and get-a-ways and I guess what really put it over the top was the thing with the hair plugs for Jon - just so ridiculous.
To learn the entire show is so scripted and staged and fake, all the while Kate saying "we are so real."
No, you're not so quite trying to pretend anyone believes you!

It really makes me angry to learn they were going around to churches telling a sob story to get money, then charging for pictures of their children to give to total strangers (beyond creepy - even Whoopie Goldberg said so on The View - used those very words "creepy"!)....and then were getting all these free trips to very lavish vacations.

But the kicker is, finding out that the children were forced to work three days a week and to see what was actually involved in filming - all those cameras and film crews with lighting and boom mikes. It's so sickening these children have to endure that.

I don't begrudge the family a single thing. If the parents made millions themselves, I could care less - more power to 'em.
But doing off the backs of their children is just heartless, greedy and soulless and robbing them of a real childhood.
Now, they have to have big, burly bodyguards around.
What do the parent's tell them?
That IS creepy!!

Okay, sorry for the long post.
What really gets me now is -- Jon is just as BAD as Kate.
He is in it for the money, too.

He is ALLOWING his kids to go off to NC with a bunch of strangers - film crew and body guards (the pictures are already out there so this is documented) - while he is having beers with the ladies in NY.
DISGUSTING!!

They are going on an overseas trip, he is getting a custom-made motorcyle. They've already had a bunch of free improvements done on the house, gone to the Smithsonian, visited Duff's bakery.....all the while JON is APPROVING and taking in every freebie off the backs of HIS KIDS!!!!!

Those parents are SICKENING and the state of PA needs to investigate where the money is going -- PRONTO!
Also -- make sure they are paying there fair share of "GIFT" taxes.

And Kate's FAKE BLOG is also making me angry.
Who does TLC think they are fooling?
Scoundrels!
I already wrote Showbiz Tonight on CNN to let them know about the Fake Blog and Fake Comments.
"The Lying Channel" is right.

If the American Public is being lied to - - one can only imagine the horrific lies being told to the children!

Maggie said...

Happyharpy, I think most of us are very well aware that Kate has changed in the last five years. She has most definitely changed for the worst. That is patently obvious.

The fact that she constantly exaggerates is actually a cause of concern as well. Some would classify it as a compulsive liar. Not a great role model as a mother.

I think the only people who are feeling stupid now is those who revered Kate as a mother and a wife. Those would be the same people who say that they treat their husbands the same, their children the same, and what is the big deal?

It seems that most people and now the media seem to think it is a big deal. A huge big deal.

KidsRthePriority said...

TLC states that the show will continue as long as there is interest. Kate says the kids will let her know it's time to end. Jon says he will do anything for his kids.

What each meant to say was that this show will continue as long as it is a cash cow. High ratings = $$$, and neither TLC, Kate, nor Jon will EVER walk away from that. That much is now clear.

What we need to remember is that TLC, Kate and Jon will say anything, be filmed anywhere, do whatever it takes TO GET US CURIOUS ENOUGH TO TUNE IN. They don't care why you watch, they only care that you do watch. Believe NOTHING they say. They will say whatever is necessary to justify their end goal = MONEY. Remember that Jodi/Kevin informed us that it's all scripted, none of it's real. Add that to TLC's splicing - and this is the furthest thing from "reality" one can imagine. It should be called "contrived TV" because that's what it is. And not very good, either.

I do not watch this show, and encourage everyone else to boycott it and everything else on TLC. Kids' lives, including private moments with a parent, are just that - PRIVATE. It is no one's business but theirs, this should NOT be filmed and viewed by another, especially strangers.

I'm encouraged by the campaign to contact the PA Attorney General to file criminal charges re: fraud. I'll be joining the campaign and calling his office daily. As well as the PA newspapers regarding his reluctance to file the charges. Until the politician realizes his electorate is unhappy, the impacted churches should also contact counsel regarding filing civil suits for misrepresentation and possibly breach of contract. I sincerely hope whatever attorney is finally appointed for the children's interests suppoenas the film on the cutting room floor. That's going to be the key.

Sorry this is so long, but please encourage everyone to stop watching. Not watching is the best thing anyone can do for these poor kids. Focus on decreasing the ratings and you'll be freeing the Gosselins kids from their imprisonment.

laura weiss said...

And fluffy bunnies and marshmallow cream.
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ORGANIC marshmallow cream :)

ManicNarcissism said...

I'm collecting Kate's lies, If anyone would like to contribute you can email them to KateIsALiar@gmail.com (mods if not allowed just delete post - just don't want to take over your blog/post - I was going to put together a post on all her lies in a comprehensive detailed list and then submit it for approval for the homepage.)

To submit a lie please provide as much detail and dates as possible. Date and episode title as well.

Example:

On Kate's TLC blog dated May 16th she wrote that Jon was unexpectedly away and had no help from the babysitter. Then on the the show of May 25th "Turning 5 & the Future!" we see all kids dressed in the same outfits that we see in the pap pics of the party city outing on May 16th. Before she leaves for outing, she yells "I'm at the door any kids that don't come will be left here."

Conclusion: Kate was either willing to leave 5 year olds by

themselves, or she lied and had a nanny there to help feed, dress, and take care of the kids while she flat ironed her hair, and dressed.

Emily said...

wowee!
i agree with everything you state "kidsrthepriority"!
Thank you for the post.
all well said.

Thank goodness mainstream media is finally "tuning in".

I'm getting more upset with Jon, too.
He should be LIVID that TLC aired that private moment between him and his daughter when she said "daddy, please don't leave anymore."

That poor child!

I watched a couple parts someone posted on Youtube AFTER reading some of the posts.

Organic marshamallow or not, the puffy comment was cute, too.
Do you realize one of the girls was commenting on a rabbit they had at the party and in describing it said it was "puffy" and then went.."awwwww"?
It was too cute for words!

And that's exactly why I will not watch the show this season.
baby penguins and monkeys and little elephants are cute, too - but they're in a zoo!
these children are little people and deserve respect and privacy.... not to be gawked at like they're in a zoo, too.
(which they are -- it's called the little box in your living room - the tv.)

Maude said...

NoControlIssue! said...
Maude said...

The question has been raised, 'why did Kate want to be a nurse', or 'can you imagine what kind of nurse Kate was?' I saw something really interesting several months ago that stated that a small percentage of people who go into the nursing field have control issues.
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THAT is really hilarious!
I am a nurse and yes I know you indicated a "small number" supposedly do this , but when you are a nurse you have VERY LITTLE CONTROL over MOST things. You TAKE doctor's orders, and carry them out.

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The story I saw was referring to controling patients. That made some strange sense to me but, you'd know better than I would!

My doctor has a nurse who is absolutely devoid of any personality. It's a very friendly office so I've tried to engage her in conversation, but she refuses to talk or even make eye contact. She just acts like you're bothering her. I've seen her talk to other nurses, and the office staff, so its not like she's just a bitch. Now I ask you, why would someone like that want to be involved in patient care?

Makes me think of what Kate must of been like as a nurse.

SadfortheKids said...

Just an FYI to those who were wondering why the show ran 75 minutes: I have a friend who works on the show (in post-production) and he told me that it ran that long b/c TLC wanted to get the high ratings to span over two time slots. That is all TLC cares about!!!

Maude said...

IMO, the worst crime committed against humanity is parents who neglect or abuse their children.


Kate neglects her children. Yes, they're fed and clothed, and have a roof over their heads. But those are they only needs met as far as I can see.

She uses threats to get them to behave the way she wants.
-feed the dogs or they go back.
-don't lick the Purell off your hands, its poison and you'll die.
-disobey the babysitter and "God" punishes you.
These are not your run of the mill "eat you're veggies or you won't grow up big and strong" comments. These remarks are just nasty and cruel.

If she occasionally ignored their cries for her to parent them, I could dismiss it. If she occasionally said something inappropriate, I could write it off as stress. That is just not the case. And don't throw the 'editing' defense at me. It just doesn't fly anymore.

Abuse comes in all shapes and sizes, so to speak, and if the shoe fits...

Anonymous said...

I can't believe no one mentioned
the line from Kate "I did not like
the fans..Now I love them"
"I hate the papparazzi!Go film some other mother" Laugh ,laugh.
Of course she loves her fans now
Who would buy her books! And if the papparazzi followed some other mother she would stroke out...

shawna said...

Kate isn't a real mom. She only plays one on TV (and not very well at that).

fidosmommy said...

I am a little confused about something. If Jon and Kate are actually producers this season, why oh why did the Saturday party planning scenes make it onto TV? Never have I seen Kate show herself to be a lousier mother than she did while eating her chicken salad before the trip to Party City and the piñata stuffing afterwards. If she wants to be seen as Kate the Good Mom, she just shot herself in the foot. She knew all that was being filmed and she snarked like that at her kids anyway. Does she not see herself with any form of reality? Did she see that as good parenting worthy of showing the world how it's supposed to be done? I just don't get it.

Those children seemed perfectly well behaved on the trip to the party store, holding onto the cart as ordered, the twins helped her a lot with the younger children. I don't see why it was such a huge deal to take them "by myself".

To answer a recent question about who would be staying with any kid who wasn't at the door when Madame was ready to go, there was someone in a connecting room folding laundry. Unknown person, probably one of the non-help she had that day. But your point is well taken that she wanted us to think she had no help, period. She's starting to strangle herself on her own words because facts contradict what she says.

Melissa4 said...

Does anyone remember when TLC was showing commercials for the premier episode and they showed Kate saying "I was on bed rest for 30 weeks" or something like that....Well I don't remember seeing that scene on the premier night. I wonder if they relized that was a lie, and that we would figure that out. Just wondering?

mcarlsonus said...

Just a quick comment/observation.

Perhaps all should be grateful the show is on TLC currently. With the ratings success of the May 25 show, and the incredible, measured appeal to that all-important 18-35 female demographic, I wouldn't be at all surprised if "Kate Plus 8" doesn't wind up in renegotiation and, ultimately, in mainstream, conventional network programming!

As far as that troublesome Jon: wouldn't be that hard to write him out of a regular role on the show. They simply send him "to work" at a job that entails his being out of the house most of the hours they're filming. Further, if the tups are home-schooled, they can be kept in that milieu indefinitely. Far-fetched? Granted! But, would you put it past them?

Miss Brown Betti said...

Exposier,
Per your comment about the dirty diaper thing. Yeah that was messed up! How would she like a poopy diaper thrown in her face? She fired a nurse for washing her hands in the kitchen sink and called it cross comtamination.What does she think about feces on someones face?

Laughs when someone else gets a dirty diaper thrown in their face

Laughs when she double parks.

Throws a gum wrapper and silly string at the camera.

Is she a five year old girl?

Hater said...

Kate, as a producer,would allow herself to be filmed exactly as we have always known her to be. The people who hate her expect her to "snark" because she is a bitch. The people who love her expect her to "snark" because she is controlling. Either way, it has always gotten ratings and it works.

goldengirl said...

Kate has been wearing her solitaire diamond necklace this year. I wonder if it is a gift from Jon from their wedding renewal vows last year, or if it is a gift she got for herself?

Her sister, Christen Largent, designed it for her. She make custom jewelry and if you google her name you'll find sites that carry it. Christen also just came down on a number of people who were on her website criticizing Kate - something to the effect of "If you slander my sister, you slander me" (someone blogged about it on GWOP). So I'm sure Kate wears it because she's thankful that she has one family member that has spoken out in her defense.

overwithKON said...

Many people have questioned WHY Khate cannot see how horribly horrible she is, well you ever heard of rose colored glasses? As in seeing everything rosie?

Well Khate has on Khate colored glasses and NO SHE CANNOT SEE how ridicuously ridiculous she is. Khate only sees that she the end all of people on this earth, and NO ONE matters as much as she does! ROFLPMP!

overwithKON said...

Melissa4 said...
Does anyone remember when TLC was showing commercials for the premier episode and they showed Kate saying "I was on bed rest for 30 weeks" or something like that....Well I don't remember seeing that scene on the premier night. I wonder if they relized that was a lie, and that we would figure that out. Just wondering?
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Yep I remember it, I think it was part of one of the view clips or cbs moringing shows clips too. I got rid of cable, so I know that I have not seen this on the actual TV. And this should be submitted for the lie catagory, its typical Khate. Lie Lie lie, see if you can catch me!

Anonymous said...

What I thought was interesting about this episode, was the fact that Kate kept talking to the camera people.

Remember when she berated Jon, for doing the same thing, during the Sequoia park episode? She really reamed him out for being so stupid, that after all this time he should know better....

I wish I could splice together video to put on youtube. I would splice together her rules/stated values---then her own breaking of those same statements.

miblue1 said...

Irecently E-mailed Zondervan--here is my E mail--------------
just found out that you publish The Gosselins families books--I was at the Parable store in Grand Rapids MI and there were the Gosselins books .I was stunned-that family is using their children as a meal ticket and their marriage is falling apart in the tabloids and my favorite Christian publisher is backing them?I can tell you now I will not be buying another book or product from you until you do the right thing and stop the madness.The Gosselins are not raising those children in a Godly manner and their out of marriage exploits are for all the world to see.I watched 10 min of their show the other night and turned it off never to watch that again--was like watching a train wreck only worse it involved 2 idiots driving and 8 victims who had no choice but to get on the train.Please consider what your company is putting out there as a witness by publishing these books.I am not buying anthing published by your company until you stop exploiting these children for the parents greed of wealth.Thank you for hearing me out on this matter.
Below is response from Zondervan
RESPONSE FROM ZONDERVAN
*Thank you for contacting Zondervan and for your comments.

Thank you
Carrie
Zondervan Customer Care*

I guess like any other parasite they have hooked to the Goss train and are riding it all the way to the bank all the while running over the bodies of 8 inncoent children-- sick.

ihave8 said...

Getting kind of ashamed of myself here, I've never posted as much as I have in the last day or so...but,
the dirty diaper thing, I have been known to toss a wrapped diaper (you know how you wrap and fold and re-tape?) at my hubby, saying, "throw that away for me sweetie". I would never, ever throw that at anyone like she did.

Anonymous said...

Aren't there some embarrassing videos of Kate and/or Jon during their childhood and teenage years?

I truely wish that their families would put those out. That way perhaps the parents could possibly understand---a little tiny bit of what their kids will feel in the future.

Anonymous said...

I can not believe that no one in the media or on TLC sees the irony of Jon and Kate complaining about cameras invading their privacy; when these parents have encouraged cameras to invade their children's privacy every single day! Every bowel movement and episode of constipation!

It is NOT okay to film adults who have choices; but it is okay to film children who do not have choices?

Anonymous said...

The irony of complaining about cameras that are pointed at the family from hundreds of yards away--filming exactly the same scene as cameras stuck inches away from their family's faces!.

It is mind boggling that this is what made the cut on THE LEARNING CHANNEL.

Kind of ignorant reasoning for a channel dedicated to learning, I think.

miblue1 said...

I just went to Zondervan's website and was crusing around and found this--hm should we all mail the author herslef"Queen Kate"
Says all will be forwarded and she might even respond..ok ok stop laughing
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Kate Gosselin
Kate Gosselin, along with her husband, Jon, share the joys and the frustrations of raising eight children - twins and sextuplets. The daily lives of their family are chronicled on TLC's hit show "Jon and Kate Plus 8." They are frequent speakers at churches and other events and live in central Pennsylvania. Find out more at www.sixgosselins.com

Write to Zondervan authors or their estates in care of Zondervan. Your mail will be forwarded as soon as possible, but please note that the author might not be able to respond personally. Email zauthor@zondervan.com or send postal mail to:
Kate Gosselin
c/o Zondervan
ATTN: Author Care
5300 Patterson SE
Grand Rapids, MI 49530

ihave8 said...

I so want to see her living in a tiny apartment over a goodwill store.
And don't slam me, I Like Goodwill!

jonandkatewho? said...

SarcasticMaxine said...
This is something I have always wondered about and have never heard it addressed. A long way back during a couch interview the camera person was asking questions and Jon admitted to having girlfriends and he asked Khate "something" and she answered "Maybe" in a very sheepish voice and a rather defiant manner. There was no other dialog about that... made me think the cameraman *knew* not to push that any further. Anyone know anything more about this? Would be very interesting to know more about her background before she met Jon. There has got to be something there!

5/28/2009 1:51 PM

I believe what you are referring to was when they were asking Jon and Kate about how they met, etc...

When the interviewer asked if Kate dated alot before she met Jon, that is what she answered.

My5blessings said...

Max Wrote:

I can't believe no one mentioned
the line from Kate "I did not like
the fans..Now I love them"
"I hate the papparazzi!Go film some other mother" Laugh ,laugh.
Of course she loves her fans now
Who would buy her books! And if the papparazzi followed some other mother she would stroke out...

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Oh, it was mentioned and discussed here on the blog:)

Believe me, Kate didn't come to that conclusion on her own. Nor do I buy for a minute she believes the words that come from her mouth in regard to appreciating her fans.

I've said it before.
It's all verbal vomit from Kate.
Someone tells her what to say for her constant damage control, and she regurgitates it.

She certainly does not appreciate those who purchase her books, watch the show, buy her kids pictures with her John Hancock on it. Nor does she appreciate the kind gestures others do for her. You need look no further than her own family and Church family who she turned her back on.

It makes me sick to think anyone would buy her newfound love for her fans. It's all such BS.

With Kate, you always need those wading boots on, it's up to your eyeballs at this point!
BLECK............

laura weiss said...

She knew all that was being filmed and she snarked like that at her kids anyway. Does she not see herself with any form of reality? Did she see that as good parenting worthy of showing the world how it's supposed to be done? I just don't get it.

*****************************
Here, let me make it simple for you:

Keight thinks that she is the funniest, the cutest, the most fashionable, most beautiful CELEBRITY on the face of the planet and that every time she mistreats her innocent children with some sarcastic aside to the camera, it's HEE LARIOUS.

If you don't like the way she rolls, you're just JELLUS. That's what it would have to be for a nutjob like Keight. It couldn't possibly be that she needs to look at herself and her behavior. It's that YOU are wrong in failing to see her Super! Duper! Celebrity! Awesomeness!

Jenn said...

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/05/29/jon-kate-gosselin-violated-child-labor-laws/

Mimi said...

Great post,9:36,5/28 Lucinda Jane. Those are my feelings exactly!

K8's Lies said...

lindahoyt said...

What I thought was interesting about this episode, was the fact that Kate kept talking to the camera people.

Remember when she berated Jon, for doing the same thing, during the Sequoia park episode? She really reamed him out for being so stupid, that after all this time he should know better....

I wish I could splice together video to put on youtube. I would splice together her rules/stated values---then her own breaking of those same statements.
---------------------------

Linda - you nailed it.
She is a walking contradition of lies. Her stories match her hairdo/don't -- all over the place!

She talks about organic - but is constantly shown to be doing the opposite.

The talk about "going green" but are constantly throwing paper plates in the trash with food and NOT recycling or using real dishes.

She complained on numerous occasions about NOT having her child's hair in their faces, yet hers is looking more and more like Slash from Gun's and Roses. Pretty soon we won't see her face...at all!

She yelled vehemently at her husband for using the term "seasons" when describing some of the prior episodes...and that's all she talks about now.

There are just so many. It would be a very telling video.

Teryn said...

Did anybody else notice in this new episode, when Aaden and Alexis came running into the dining room while Kate was eating, and Aaden ran up to Kate to tell her what was happening....

when Kate raised her arm to shoo them away, Aaden flinched as if he was about to be hit?

Looked to me like he knows that "look" and has seen that hand coming at him many times before. As soon as he flinched, he took off in the other direction to get away.

Then, mother of the year, who just got back from extensive traveling and being away from her kids, has the nerve to roll her eyes and huff because the kids disrupted her lunch.

Naj said...

laura weiss said...

If you don't like the way she rolls, you're just JELLUS. That's what it would have to be for a nutjob like Keight. It couldn't possibly be that she needs to look at herself and her behavior. It's that YOU are wrong in failing to see her Super! Duper! Celebrity! Awesomeness!

+++++
There is that J word again. I keep reading it from Kate fans who say 'you're just jealous!' (Because she's rich, famous etc).
Last time I heard that degree of neener neener was when I wasn in Jr. High!

What is it with these people who are so shallow and vapid that they think any criticism is because we envy Kate??!?!

I do not envy Kate.
I pity and fear for the children.
I feel empathy and frustration withh Jon.
I feel disgust with TLC.
What I feel for Kate is kind of like what I feel when I come in from mucking out the barn.

But what is it with this juvenile "you're just JEALOUS OF HER!!!" ??

marypoppins said...

Teryn said...
Did anybody else notice in this new episode, when Aaden and Alexis came running into the dining room while Kate was eating, and Aaden ran up to Kate to tell her what was happening....

when Kate raised her arm to shoo them away, Aaden flinched as if he was about to be hit?

Looked to me like he knows that "look" and has seen that hand coming at him many times before. As soon as he flinched, he took off in the other direction to get away.

Then, mother of the year, who just got back from extensive traveling and being away from her kids, has the nerve to roll her eyes and huff because the kids disrupted her lunch.
_____________________________
This was the opening clip on E! SOUP tonight.
I didnt see this part of the episode but they showed the clip before joel made fun of it.

They paused when she had a really snooty, annoyed -they- bothered- me look on her face.

Joel said soemthing to the effect-go away im doing the show, never mind you are the reason I have a show.....

IH8famewhores said...

Just a thought...
TLC definitely promotes "Family-ness", togetherness and the joys of having children, lots of them. With the world changing, like very few people marrying, a staggering number of people not wanting to have children or deciding to only have one child, TLC really wanna show the traditional form of family. They want to remind us how "amazing" it is to have both parents under the same roof as well as having a family really is a way of life. If Jon and Kate divorce, I don't think that TLC will continue to film this broken family, because as we all know from their other shows (18 kids and counting, Table for 10, Little People Big World, Little Couple, Say Yes to the Dress) TLC is a very "traditional" network. If Jon and Kate were to divorce, the essence of their reality show will be gone. They have campaigned about how their family will be together forever, their whole show is premised on family activities, family outings, they do everything in regards to the well being of their family. How can TLC continue to film a family who are no longer together, who are not faithful to each other, and who have a broken home. Maybe Kate will pretend to get along with Jon for the sake of their show, since this is the only way they know how to provide for their children. I don't think they're aware of what hard work is. Oh wait, what they do is hard work, filming, "being themselves", and going on free trips and getting free stuff all the time. It's a very sad sight to see two people choose money and things over their own family.

Elizabeth said...

... If Jon and Kate divorce, I don't think that TLC will continue to film this broken family, because as we all know from their other shows (18 kids and counting, Table for 10, Little People Big World, Little Couple, Say Yes to the Dress) TLC is a very "traditional" network.

........................
I think TLC will milk this family as long as it is possible.

Look at Toddlers and Tieras, or whatever that awful show is called.

TLC can say this is a different kind of family, and how a divorced family survives, and how they MUST work together, blah, blah, blah.

TLC is in it until they are TOLD to shut it down.

Lucinda Jane said...
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Lucinda Jane said...

I agree with Elizabeth about the questionable quality of shows that TLC is adding to their schedule.

I can't believe that the show, "Toddlers and Tiaras", has become a part of their regular weekly lineup. Every time I see a 6-year-old prancing around made up to look like an 18-year-old beauty contestant, I shake my head in disgust. Watching those little girls dressed like miniature drag queens, it brings back images of Jon Benet Ramsay.

I guess TLC is planning on grabbing all the ratings they can, but I wonder how long people will be interested in watching a family in crisis (meaning Kate sitting poolside and making pathetic efforts to get Maddy to talk to her about how wonderful it is to spend some "girl time" together, just the two of them. I loved Maddy's underwhelming response, "yeah".

If TLC wants to drum up ratings by focusing on human conflicts, let them do it without showcasing, exploiting or interfering with anyone under the age of 21. I remember when A&E had the show "Family Plot" centered around a family who worked together in a funeral home. At least those squabbles did not disrupt young impressionable lives.

singlemomof4 said...

I have watched Jon and Kate since the beginning and only stopped watching last season. I simply couldn't take Kate anymore. She's pure evil in my opinion. The episode where they go Christmas shopping and she yells at Jon across the store, like he's a misbehaving puppy, just made my blood boil. For a long time I felt sorry for Jon, that is until the new house and sports car, hair transplant etc. Now I just feel he has sold his soul to the devil(Kate). I have 4 children,a job, and attend school and I do it all by myself. I don't have a "Jon" or helpers to fold my laundry or even to babysit. If my kids can't go then neither do I. How I wish Kate could step into my shoes for just a week. Maybe she would lose some of her "the world owes me" attitude.I certainly hope those poor children turn out ok. With their parents one has to wonder.

kaitlinsnana said...

Well, almost showtime. I'm watching tonight, but probably not much longer. Kate was likable when she was an overweight, badly-dressed, over-worked mom of eight.

I don't much like her new skinny, sassy self jumping from beach to beach in a bikini with funky hair. She's not nice to her husband and has no time for her children. What's to like about her? ...nothing at all.

Gail

Coyote said...

Kon Is Wrong 9:02 AM

I think that's the most sensible post I've ever read on here. You are dead on--opened my eyes--I never thought to reverse the roles. Your position is VERY well stated. I wish you'd send it to spousal abuse organizations. Thanks for posting.

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