A Second Mother?

Submitted as a comment by a reader named "kathy":

A comment I read compelled me to respond. I am not sure if it was orginally on this thread since it's hard to keep track but I will write my response here.

Someone mentioned that it's all well and good for Jodi and Kevin to speak up but Beth should speak up because she was really "a second mother to the kids". Not to take anything away from Beth but I am disappointed that this person is giving Beth so much importance as if anyone was a second mother it was Jodi.

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Serena said...

Submitted as a comment by a reader named "kathy"A comment I read compelled me to respond. I am not sure if it was originally on this thread since it's hard to keep track but I will write my response here.

Someone mentioned that it's all well and good for Jodi and Kevin to speak up but Beth should speak up because she was really "a second mother to the kids". Not to take anything away from Beth but I am disappointed that this person is giving Beth so much importance as if anyone was a second mother it was Jodi.

Beth was a wealthy, influential neighbor and volunteer who Kate gave a lot of credit and importance to BECAUSE of her wealth and influence. Kate admired Beth's wealth and lifestyle which is why she filmed over at her house, allowed her to accompany her on trips and allowed to co-write her book. It was because of Beth's connections in PR and publishing, not because she was a "second mother to the kids". Beth helped out a lot, but you can't compare her to Jodi. Kate sucked up to her for what she could get from her and once the book was written and the juggernaut was in full force, Kate dropped her. Beth is getting paid for the book and probably doesn't want to speak out because she is actually profiting from the children, which Kate allowed her to do.

Jodi on the other hand, was really the second mother, or even first mother. Jodi was the one who drove an hour each way in the early days to take care of the children for no benefit to herself other than a relationship with her nieces and nephews. She did it for THEM. She knew what Kate was like and she stuck with them anyway. Kate and Jon moved to Jodi's neighborhood because Jodi was such a reliable and frequent babysitter who would look after the kids like her own at no cost to the Gosselins. They could just drop them off sick and not think twice about it. Jodi is the true hero and now she is standing up for the kids even though she's getting it in the media.

I watched an episode for the carnival birthday for the tups' third birthday. Jon gave a big speech about how he and Kevin built the booths and how it was hard work. But then they showed a fast forward reel of the booths being built and I clearly saw Jon leave and it was Kevin and Jodi who built the booth! Then to top it off, Jon returned when it was done in order to act like he worked hard when he wasn't even there for the building! Jon is as adept at the snow jobs as Kate, remember this people!

While Jodi got no credit and was made to seem flaky by Kate on the show, she was quietly busting her hump trying to take care of those kids and look out for them which she continues to do in the way she feels is appropriate. Kate took Beth to the Mother's Day spa visit because she was still trying to curry her favor. She should have taken Jodi. I mean think about it, TLC wanted to give Jodi a contact first, not Beth! That is because Jodi was the stalwart caretaker of the kids! While Beth is a good-hearted neighbor and friend, Jodi is family and acted out of concern for her nieces and nephews from the beginning. I think Jodi is the true hero/second mother along with Kevin. She has my full support, though it may not mean much since I am only a viewer and unknown to her. I just want her to know I noticed everything she did and I support her.

Submitted as a comment by a reader named "kathy"

Tangerine Tanya said...

I vote for Jodi! Kate and Jon went to California to get Jon's hair plugs and left their 8 children sick with the flu with Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodi along with their own 4(I think) children. 12 kids total. Jodi nurtured and loved all of those kids. Not once did I see her place any child on the laundry room floor. Just because Kate carried 6 children does not a mother make.I say Kate failed in the mother department a long time ago. Kate cannot hold a candle to Jodi.

TPoV said...

I never really thought about how much Jodi (and Kevin) did, and how little credit from J&K they recieved. Thank you for this comment, as it once again reminds me how unthankful J&K are.

On another note,
I will not be watching the season premiere, as I don't want to make the show more popular, but I can't wait for the overview.


~TPoV~

Jana said...

I hope Jodi sees this comment in particular, either on her own or because someone who knows and cares about her and the Gosselin children will copy it and take it to her. I think Jodi is an unsung hero in this whole mess. If anyone exemplifies leading a righteous and loving life, it is Aunt Jodi.

just wondering said...

Wow!

That post really sent a shiver up my spine. Wonderful!

BostonBean said...

I agree with everything you said; but I'm wondering if the comment referred to Beth being a "second mother" to Aaden? Kate said that in one episode, that Aaden was particularly attached to her and referred to her as his other mother.

Shannon said...

Honestly, I think there has never been any *one* mother for these children. Remember that they have been raised by volunteers, nurses, nannies, Aunt Jodi, and Beth for most if not all of their lives.

I could see that Beth appeared to be very close to some of the children, and let's not forget that Jodi didn't care to go on trips too. I clearly remember her gushing over getting to go to see Oprah.

There were a lot of people who helped raise those kids in the capacity that John and Kate would allow of them. People who acted as a Nana, or a laundry folder, an aunt, or Beth as a "second mom" as Kate called her.

I know that we all like Jodi, but let's not put her on a pedestal. Seems there have been a lot of kind hearted people who have tried to help the family who have been pushed away in exchange for greed.

The really sad thing is that these children should have only one mother and her name is Kate. Too bad she's too busy talking to tabloids, going on book tours, begging for freebies, doing a tv show, talking to ghost writers to pretend she's writing books, and having an affair with her bodyguard to care about being a mom to the children she was so bound and determined to have.

TK said...

Well said, and so true. I'm glad Jodi and Kevin have the courage to speak up.

jill said...

I agree.

I never thought about Beth making money off of the book.

That could be a very good reason to stay quiet. She might have even signed something saying she would keep her mouth shut!

cdnmom47 said...

I totally agree with the writer. Jodi was always there for the kids...not asking for anything, just wanting a relationship with her nieces and nephews. I believe she and Kevin are the only people in the childrens' lives who are worried about them and the effect this show will have on their lives. Sadly, I think Kevin and Jodi's main problem may be that they gave their story to a source that might not be so 'reputable'. I think perhaps they should have chosen more wisely and then their story would be taken more seriously.

thehazlettfamily said...

Kathy, that is well said and so true. I'm glad to see someone who sees the truth and gives Jodi her props. Jodi is the one who gave up every Friday to watch the kids so Kate could have a break. Jodi is the one who took care of 12 sick children so Jon could have his hair plugs. Never a thank you from Kate. I can't remember Kate ever doing something nice for Jodi, just bitching about Jodi's care of the kids.

MomofDNA said...

First off, no one should assume that Beth is "making money off the children". I imagine she wrote the book primarily because she wanted to write a book--my sister is the same way. She is extremely artistic, in every way, and one day she decided writing was next on her list of things she wanted to accomplish. Like Beth, my sister is very wealthy, and decided early on that any profits made from her book would go to charity. I don't know Beth but we don't know the facts about this particular issue.

Secondly, I have always felt that the "Mother's Day" episode was very significant regarding the change in Kate's attitude. While I haven't seen every episode, I have seen earlier ones where she appears to be a normal, grounded mom, at least that's how it appears on camera. But I think the "Mother's Day" episode brought out something else in Kate--her sense of entitlement for being waited on, the awful way she shunned her kids out of the room after they brought her breakfast....My kids always bring me breakfast in bed, and whatever it is, I eat it, and I smile graciously and hope that they always remember Mom loved it when they "surprised" me with breakfast in bed. With Kate, it was forced and no one seemed to be having a good time. Oh well, it probably wasn't really Mother's Day anyway...

But I think Beth actually said something on that episode that may have triggered something in Kate. While they were sitting in the spa, eating their desserts, Beth said something to the effect that it's good for Moms to do this for themselves--"it makes you a better mommy". While I agree that once in a while it's good to pamper yourself, I've always felt that Kate really took it to heart.

As in, if a few hours at a spa away from my kids makes me a better mommy, then I should be doing MORE for myself and being away from my kids MORE and I'll be an even BETTER mommy! I think that's how she justifies her new clothes and accessories and tanning and touring, etc. She truly believes she's doing it for her kids, because the happier and more relaxed Mom is, the better for the kids, right?

Only of course she took it to the extreme.

karma said...

Kate would have never dreamed of asking Beth to watch all of her 8 sick kids with the flu so Jon could get hair plugs.
Although I do feel sorry for Beth because Kate seemed to have dropped her once she used her for her purpose...copying her lifestyle, babysitting, Jon's "job" excuse?, and the writing of the book.
Uncle Kevin and Aunt Jodi love the Gosselins unconditionally, sometimes truth hurts.

Corinne said...

Wouldn't it be glorious if Beth donated all her proceeds from the book to A Minor Consideration? :)

sueshe said...

So, so true!!! Jodi did so much for the Gosselin's. She is a true 100% relative that cared about those kids, no matter what the condition was, she was there.
Very observant about Jon. In one respect I guess it is good that TLC has the reruns so we can see things about the Kon's that we didn't see before. The shows are appearing to be more scripted by the minute.
So sad, the evolution of this family. Crumbling before our eyes, the greed of the Kate and Jon has destroyed a marriage.
Kate from day one, thought that the public "owed" her for having the sextuplets. That was apparent with her aggressive movements. And it worked.
Though she is rich in wealth, she is poor in friendship. She has lost those that saw her for what she was, but could overlook it for the sake of the children. In the end, Kate took out her cleaver and severed their friendship.
When the cameras, the friends, the relatives, the dogs, the marriage are all gone, Kate will then realize the real damage she has done. She is too busy now counting her money and deciding on her next book, movie.......Never mind she is a mother of 8 who really need her, and not the nannies, TLC employees, body guards......
What monster has TLC created. I can not believe that they have to have a spokesperson for Kate on the previews for the coming season. I have never seen tv like this before, and I don't like it. To have to explain what is happening with this family, and that Kate is a strong person, I don't care, I don't need to hear, I can see it. TLC is trying to sugar coat a disaster that they helped create.
We will tune in to watch, and it isn't so much for the kids anymore. We want to see what and how Kate treats Jon/ Jon treats Kate.

lifeoriley said...

I agree with most things in this post--but I do believe Beth cared for the children as well. Jodi, however, is family and, imo, went out of her way to help J&K and the kids. She even flew out to Utah and turned right around and flew back to help with the children. She didn't get a spa day, like Beth and Kate did. In fact, when on the show did we ever see Kate doing anything special for Jodi? And, I never heard Jodi b***h and moan about taking care of all of the kids--including her own four.

Sidney said...

Beth always seemed to be a lovely person on the show, and I have no doubt that she is.

Kate obviously admired her and her home, which is alright too.

But Jodi did do so much for all the Gosselins, and Kevin too, I am sure.

But we don't know if Kate dropped Beth or if Beth dropped Kate.

Maybe Beth and Bob decided they were "done" with the Gosselins. The Gosselins did a lot of taking from them. Kate said they used to spend Sundays with the Carsons, and that the Carsons "love us".

Kate says that now and then, instead of saying how much the Gosselins love them.

The Gosselins seemed to infer that Jon worked for Bob (Carson), though we know that wasn't true.

Jon worked from his own home, from his own closet, actually! If you call keeping up with the Blogs his work.

Beth seems to have it all together and probably got money for the book that SHE wrote.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Beth said, "Good riddance to bad rubbish" and got out from the Gosselins clutches.

Jodi seems very sweet, sincere, and giving. Her intentions are pure, as are Kevins. They did a lot for the Gosselins.

I would like to know if Kate ever watched Jodi's kids.

Maybe Jodi knew better than to leave her kids with Kate.

momof3 said...

Kevin also helped Jon hang the shelfs in the garage. When it came time to putting up the shelves on the wall it only showed Kevin putting those up it fast motion like the booths. Where was Jon? I feel bad for Beth too. She was gone once the book was written. And it's release was delayed because at the last second they decided to add Jon's name as one of the authors. What a slap to the face, Beth's share of her book goes from 1/2 to a 1/3. Jon had no invovement in writting the book. I know it's not about the money, but the principle of it, his name should not have been on that book.

Merry Merry said...

Kathy - Your posting opened my eyes to the obvious. Thank you.

musing said...

right now TLC is showing yet another Aunt Jodi episode, FYI. I find this very interesting.

Sal said...

People will never know the full extent of what Jodi sacrificed for those 8 little ones.
She loved and loves them now like her own.
Yes Jodi DID TRAVEL with the kids and the family.
Beth is a good person. She was also the recepient of spa days, nice meals, eyc.
Jodi was never invited along on these.
Jodi was treated by Kate like a servant.
Thank you for this thread. IT needed to be said.

Bella said...

I totally agree with the article. Not to rag on Beth, I'm sure she's a nice person and was loving with the kids but early on I could never relate to her. That doesn't make her bad but her HUGE mansion of a house and estate, her sports car she picked kate up in for Mother's Day. I don't know. I'm sure she's not a slacker by any means but I'm fairly sure her husband paid for that huge house. She didn't have a full-time job that from the show aspect we could see, and her kids were mostly grown yet she talked about how it was needed to just take time to wind-down, er I don't know. Basically I just can't relate to someone from that upper-class bracket and their "busy life" when it's running around, etc. This comes off harsher then I mean it but I remember the Utah trip and beth gets a spa day, etc..she's obviously been skiing before in high-class resorts, nothing new for her then here comes jodi who said she got in late that night only to literally fly back early the next morning. I mean seriously that is unreal. And the fact that keight couldn't have handled the kids going to an airport when we all know Mr. Steve was there plus the crew, give me a break.

I really think jodi and kevin were the unsung heroes, they didn't get spa days, did we ever see keight go over there for a barbecue like beth and bobs? Never even so much a thank-you from keight but look at all they did for them.

Lisa K said...

I do think Beth is a good person, but I think Jodi was an escape for those kids. Her house was like a vacation for them. They were able to do what other kids love to do. Kate always said she didn't give the kids treats because of the mess. Jodi didn't mind the mess. It was Jodi who let them be normal. I think Kate was jealous of Jodi in a lot of ways. I think she saw the kids having a better time at Jodi's house than her own. I also think it was very selfish of Kate to take that way from them. My vote is for Jodi, not because I think Beth wasn't a good person, but because of Jodi's attempt to give the kids a little time to be normal when they were there. I believe 1000% Jodi is doing all of this for the kids. She deserves an award IMO.

HolliC said...

I'm not here by ANY means whatsoever to defend Jon and Kate or the PR machine known as TLC, but I do have to ask, why does everyone seem to be blindly believing everything Kevin and Jodi say? It very well may be true, I understand that, but just like tons of people have been fooled by Jon and Kate, it's just as easy for people to be fooled by Kevin and Jodi. A good 99% of us have probably never met them, but we judge them (in a very good light) by what we see on TV, just like we do Jon and Kate (in a negative light.) Just my $.02.

SAHM said...

We may never get to hear it and frankly it's none of our business, but I am curious to hear Beth's side of the story. She may not have been "family" like Kevin and Jodi are but she played an important role in the kids lives as well. I wonder if Kevin & Jodi are privy to an information re: Beth and her disappearance from the show and if she is getting paid "hush" money or is under a contract w/ TLC/J&K.

DeeB said...

I agree with every thing said about Jodi. She was and is truly a blessing to the children. However, everything I saw indicated that Beth loved the chidren as well. She kept some of them when Jon & Kate were out of town, she often babysat and she helped out when they were babies. She also stood by the children when Kate was throwing tantrums such as the Disney ice cream scene when Beth found a way to feed them their ice cream while Kate screeched. I don't know about her being a second mother, but I do believe she was close to the children and loved them as well. Never did it appear that Beth was nothing more than a wealthy, influential neighbor to Kate. She radiated humility and goodness.

I have often wondered about the book. When it was first advertised I specifically noticed that it was advertised as written by Kate and Beth. Soon after the advertisement changed and suddenly Jon's name was included as an author. I wondered if that was a way of dividing the profits three ways instead of two which would inch Beth out a bit. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I did wonder. But things like that make me wish that Beth would speak. Why leave it all up to Kevin and Jodi?

RealMom said...

Isn't Beth's sister-in-law the Carson May person that Kate is also associated with?

DeeB said...

Wait a minute. I need to back track. I have said several times that I wish Beth would speak out, blah, blah, and I just said it again a few minutes ago. I have just changed my mind. I have GOT to get these two out of my head! I seem to be addicted to this blog and I do care about the children, but I am declaring a moratorium on these two. At least for a while. I don't even want to think about them. Again, I think all of you posters are the best. I'm off to read a book. A real one.

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

MomofDNA: ITA with your post. Kate is a Beth wannabe, and I believe that Beth and her lifestyle (nothing wrong with it BTW) greatly influenced Kate. I think her drive for money, the estate, the whole appearance of wealth began with that friendship.

The difference between Kate and Beth is that Beth did not sell out her family for fame and fortune.

I also believe that Jodi was a grounding force in the lives of those kids and did not deserve the shabby treatment she got from Kate. She was more than generous with her time and energy and I don't think it was ever
reciprocated.

If Kate ever comes to her senses she owes great big apologies to a lot of people.

Jennifer D said...

the one thing that always kind of bothered me about Beth was the time she literally chased Maddie up the stairs in Utah. (Sorry if this has been mentioned)

It was aggressive and mean...IMHO.

I'd like to offer a little glimsp into what lies ahead for Maddie:


I raised a Maddie. My 22 year old daughter was just like her. I have flashbacks watching Maddie in action. She was a challenging and difficult child to say the least. I did everything by the books and tried EVERYTHING.

My daughter treated her younger brothers like she was the boss. She would scream at them in a shrill voice demanding that they do what she wanted. She was mean and stubborn. She would have melt downs if things did not go her way. I had to stop throwing birthday parties for her because she always ended up crying or throwing a fit if she didn't win every game. I could go on but if you have seen Maddie in action, you have seen my daughter.

It will get worse as she gets older. Every boundary is treated as a challenge that she must get past. Wait till it clicks in her head that there is not a lot anyone can do stop her. My daughter learned to like every punishment. I took away TV so she learned to love reading. I once cleaned her room by boxing everything up and taking it to the trash. She had 4 days to bring it back in and put it away. She didn't budge. It nearly killed me to take those boxes to the curb on trash day but I had to follow through. (I did secretly remove some the more expensive items)

My daughter went through years of therapy, home schooling at times, medication and was hospitalized in a children's pysch ward on two occasions when she was in her early teens. She went to a private Christian school, was in church every week and I have set a good example of an upstanding lifestyle.

When she got to her worst I took away every ounce of her freedom. I put her next to me and kept her with me for 6 months. I am completely serious. She went on consulting jobs, to college classes, to board meetings, grocery shopping, her brother's sporting events, etc. etc. No phone, no computer, no friends. NOTHING. It was mentally draining to say the least. That was the best thing I could have done for her and it did make a huge difference. She is now in college and working full time. She still struggles with the mental health issues but she knows when to take a break and see her therapist.

This child got 80% of my parenting energy and to this day there is a little resentment from her brothers. I don't appologize for it. She was in danger and I had to keep her safe. She was destined to hurt herself or someone else because of her impulsive decisions.

All that said: Unless Kate and/or Jon are willing to invest in that child she is going to be a very sad story some day. It's not because of the media, it's because of who she is and the limited attention her parents have given to her issues. The TV show only makes her issues magnified.

Laura Q. Stone said...

So really when TLC offered to pay Jodie it wasnt just that Kate wanted all the money to herself she wanted the glory. If everybody knew how much Jodi did for those kids it would take away from Kate's supermom image.

TandLMommy28 said...

HolliC said...

I'm not here by ANY means whatsoever to defend Jon and Kate or the PR machine known as TLC, but I do have to ask, why does everyone seem to be blindly believing everything Kevin and Jodi say? It very well may be true, I understand that, but just like tons of people have been fooled by Jon and Kate, it's just as easy for people to be fooled by Kevin and Jodi. A good 99% of us have probably never met them, but we judge them (in a very good light) by what we see on TV, just like we do Jon and Kate (in a negative light.) Just my $.02.


People believe what Jodi and Kevin have had to say because they have proven their true character time and time again. No amount of editing in the world can make Kate look like a good person at this point, but I don't think any amount of editing could make Kevin and Jodi look bad, either. They have always been self-sacrificing and from Day 1 of the show it was obvious that the children were their #1 priority. For most of us, that is enough to trust their word.

Jennifer D said...

It's almost too simple:

Kate aspired to have Beth's lifestyle so she took her to spa days with her. In Kate's mind she was becoming a person of Beth's caliber. I remember how I cringed when Kate said something about how every day should be a spa day. She seems so greedy.

Jodi was some peon, flaky housewife in Kate's mind. Kate doesn't want to be anything like her. She kept Jodi around for the free babysitting and now that she can afford a sitter she doesn't need her. She never appreciates anything so she certainly can't appreciate the people who busted their butts on her behalf.

Shoka's Snoot. said...

. . . then I should be doing MORE for myself and being away from my kids MORE and I'll be an even BETTER mommy! I think that's how she justifies her new clothes and accessories and tanning and touring, etc. She truly believes she's doing it for her kids, because the happier and more relaxed Mom is, the better for the kids, right?

Only of course she took it to the extreme.
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Telling mothers to put their own needs before their childrens' (for the sake of the mother's own sanity) assumes that all mothers are good-hearted people who suffer from needless guilt over occasional leisure activities. Yes, some women agonize over a night out with friends or a weekend away with their husbands, and this advice might be helpful to them. But it enables people like Kate, who don't do enough for their kids, to shed whatever little guilt they might feel otherwise.

Sadly, this is a common belief among pop psychologists. Oprah has dedicated many, many hours to this subject. Dr. Phil once told a teenage girl to go to the college of her dreams across the country, even though it might mean the younger siblings she was the guardian of would go to foster care. After all, she'd worked hard, she deserved a little fun! (This kid was no Kate, but still, I'd gladly go to a commuter college if it meant keeping people out of the orphanage!)

Hmm, it's no wonder Oprah and Phil love Kate so much. She's like the embodiment of some of their questionable advice!

downtheroad said...

I don't understand all the talk about a second mother. While Aunt Jodi and Beth helped...they are just that help.

If Aunt Jodi and Beth are "second mothers" then do all the children of working parents have second mothers? Are they daycare workers "second parents"?

I would imagine that PLENTY of working parents would take exception to this sentiment.

Holly said...

I never thought about the fact that Jodi watched all 8 kids plus her own and Kate never reciprocated the kind gesture. Like hey if you watch MY 8 kids while Jon gets hair plugs I'll watch YOUR 4 so you and Kevin can go to dinner. If it was okay for Jodi to handle 12 why couldn't Ms. Wonderful Supermom Kate?

SaNdY said...

DeeB said...
I agree with every thing said about Jodi. She was and is truly a blessing to the children. However, everything I saw indicated that Beth loved the chidren as well. She kept some of them when Jon & Kate were out of town, she often babysat and she helped out when they were babies. She also stood by the children when Kate was throwing tantrums such as the Disney ice cream scene when Beth found a way to feed them their ice cream while Kate screeched. I don't know about her being a second mother, but I do believe she was close to the children and loved them as well. Never did it appear that Beth was nothing more than a wealthy, influential neighbor to Kate. She radiated humility and goodness.

I have often wondered about the book. When it was first advertised I specifically noticed that it was advertised as written by Kate and Beth. Soon after the advertisement changed and suddenly Jon's name was included as an author. I wondered if that was a way of dividing the profits three ways instead of two which would inch Beth out a bit. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I did wonder. But things like that make me wish that Beth would speak. Why leave it all up to Kevin and Jodi?
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ITA, DeeB, both Jodi and Beth were wonderful with those kids, so loving and patient, and it was obvious the kids loved them as well...interesting that, in different episodes, each of them disciplined Mady, and I believe both did a good job of it, too...with Beth, it was during the Utah ski trip and with Jodi, it was one of the individual kid-trips, I think...my heart bleeds for all the kids, especially Mady, she needs (all the kids do) a good role model like Jodi or Beth, someone that can deal with her in the right way, not the way Kate does, by labeling her with 'low-blood sugar', etc...And you are right about when the book first came out, only Kate and Beth's names were on it, then later, Jon's name was added...that little move definitely has greedy Kate written all over it!

Mandy said...

Great post!

Jodi and Kevin took care of the 8 Gosselins + their own 4 children while they went to California.. Kate would never even think of babysitting for even ONE of Jodi's kids... She complains so much about how hard it is with her eight, yet Jodi and Kevin can take on 12, some with the flu, and one a baby, no problem!

Enough with the pity party Kate.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

Aunt Jodi was much more of a maternal figure to the kids. Beth was very kind, don't get me wrong. But Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin were like real family and acted like it. I still cannot believe the nerve and the gall of Kate to leave all EIGHT of the kids with Aunt Jodi and Kevin (who have 4 or 5 children of their own) while Jon was getting his hair-plugs in CA. OK, fine if he wants to get cosmetic treatment go or it, but didn't these 2 dimwits find it just plain wrong to leave the kids (what happened to "we always make sure at least 1 parent is with them"??) And some of KON's children were sick, too. And, I will never forget how Aunt Jodi comforted poor Joel, who was banished to the floor by The Queen. It's so unfortunate that these people are no longer in their lives anymore. My question is: has The Queen BEE always been this tyrannical and cold? Or is this something that has only developed over the last year since she "blew up" and became a "celebrity" ?

Jana said...

Bella said...

I totally agree with the article. Not to rag on Beth, I'm sure she's a nice person and was loving with the kids but early on I could never relate to her. That doesn't make her bad but her HUGE mansion of a house and estate, her sports car she picked kate up in for Mother's Day. I don't know. I'm sure she's not a slacker by any means but I'm fairly sure her husband paid for that huge house. She didn't have a full-time job that from the show aspect we could see, and her kids were mostly grown yet she talked about how it was needed to just take time to wind-down, er I don't know. Basically I just can't relate to someone from that upper-class bracket and their "busy life" when it's running around, etc. This comes off harsher then I mean it but I remember the Utah trip and beth gets a spa day, etc..she's obviously been skiing before in high-class resorts, nothing new for her * * *
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I agree. I think Beth seems like quite a nice person, and her generosity prompted her to offer assistance when the sextuplets were originally born. She and her husband watched several of the kids during the time Jon & Kate took an anniversary trip that lasted several days to a week.

I think Kate wanted to be like Beth - well-groomed, attractive, thin, blond, with a big beautiful showcase of a home, fancy cars, spa days, and what appears to be a life of leisure. You can see she was practically star struck, and practically taking notes on how Beth dressed, behaved, spoke, etc.

Now Kate has an even bigger McMansion than Beth -- but she still hasn't got a clue how to make it a beautiful home! She's got a BMW, probably a more expensive car than Beth, but she's nervous to drive herself anywhere! She's one-upped Beth in that she has a personal body guard, but now she and Beth aren't friends so she can't lord it in her face.

And now she's got very public marriage problems, so I guess she one-upped Beth again!

Mandy said...

I'd also like to add that if Jodi and Kevin had been babysitting my 8 kids for free and I was opening my house to TLC for more episodes and $$ for them, I would LOVE to be able to pay them back (TLC contract).

Jana said...

HollieC said...

I'm not here by ANY means whatsoever to defend Jon and Kate or the PR machine known as TLC, but I do have to ask, why does everyone seem to be blindly believing everything Kevin and Jodi say? It very well may be true, I understand that, but just like tons of people have been fooled by Jon and Kate, it's just as easy for people to be fooled by Kevin and Jodi. A good 99% of us have probably never met them, but we judge them (in a very good light) by what we see on TV, just like we do Jon and Kate (in a negative light.) * * *
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Please let me assure you Hollie, that I never blindly believe what anyone says, except perhaps my own mother (and even then, if I think she could be mistaken, I will do my own checking lol).

What Kevin and Jodi have said recently, publicly, is actually only confirmation of what I've believed from my own observations of the show for a long time.

I didn't watch Kevin & Jodi's video comments and suddenly a light went off over my head and my opinions and beliefs regarding Jon and Kate did a sudden turn-around. Oh no -- I merely nodded and said, "yep, yep, yep. That's exactly what I thought!"

I am an observant person, and I like to analyze what I see. I am also a mom and I know what is involved in real parenting. So Kate's phony mom-hood stuff doesn't pass my bullsh*t meter.

The body language between Jon and Kate spoke volumes about how their relationship has deteriorated. Kevin & Jodi merely confirm what observers can already clearly see -- all is not well in the Gosselin home.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I think BOTH Jodi and Beth filled a void in the 'tups lives. IRRC Beth was particulary fond of the two that Hate couldn't deal with, her own flesh and blood. Joel and Alexis. Jodi and Kevin seemed to go out of their way to provide unconditional love and stability to all the children. They have first-hand knowledge how Hate and Jane treats the kids.

marypoppins said...

HollieC said...

I'm not here by ANY means whatsoever to defend Jon and Kate or the PR machine known as TLC, but I do have to ask, why does everyone seem to be blindly believing everything Kevin and Jodi say? It very well may be true, I understand that, but just like tons of people have been fooled by Jon and Kate, it's just as easy for people to be fooled by Kevin and Jodi. A good 99% of us have probably never met them, but we judge them (in a very good light) by what we see on TV, just like we do Jon and Kate (in a negative light.) * * *
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Im sure most of us figured out on our own that Kate did NOT contribute to the actual writing of the book, that Kate is not supermom doing it on her own and that Kate has tons of help with the kids.

marypoppins said...

Mandy said...
I'd also like to add that if Jodi and Kevin had been babysitting my 8 kids for free and I was opening my house to TLC for more episodes and $$ for them, I would LOVE to be able to pay them back (TLC contract).
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I would have given them half of the cow I got for free

kate is a cocky bitch said...

Lisa K, the reason why everyone is beleiving Aunt Jodi and Kevin (myself included) is because what they say makes sense. They are not doing these interviews for publicity and fame. If anything I can only imagine that it is a huge imposition on the private lives. But they have stepped foward to give their honest views out the sake of the children. As far as I'm concerned with KON wants to swing from 1 chandelier to the next with multiple new "friends" I could care less. But their children deserve parents who will not exploit them and will protect them and be there for them. Even though Jon has some culpability he by far has at least shown some compassion and caring towards his children and might I even say some remorse for the exploitation? We can only hope that things get better, but I am farily certain that it will continue to get worse because The Queen's greedy need for material wealth is what matters most to her.

workingmom and I dont apologize said...

"If Aunt Jodi and Beth are "second mothers" then do all the children of working parents have second mothers? Are they daycare workers "second parents"?"



I for one do consider my home based daycare my child's 8-5 mom and get her something on mother's day. Yes I will be the constant and moral compass for my children but to say she isnt mothering them while I work would be to discount her love for them. I personally do not have 24 hours of maternal instinct per day and that is why I work and thank God my sitter overflows with it.

I however do this out of the belief that our lives will be better this way, not just that I can get what I want out of life and to h*ll with the kids as it seems this show portrays.

marypoppins said...

Laura Q. Stone said...
So really when TLC offered to pay Jodie it wasnt just that Kate wanted all the money to herself she wanted the glory. If everybody knew how much Jodi did for those kids it would take away from Kate's supermom image.
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I think this is the real reason she yelled at Jodi/Collins bear/the sock/gum.
Claiming she would have to throw away SIX outfits beacuse of the gum.They were tired of going to Jodi's and I dont blame them......


I think from fan email received, it was realsied that more people preferred watching jodi with the kids-baking with the twins, doing crafts, drinking pretend coffee from Joel, comforting sick Joel, being very firm but patient and nice to Maddy etc than watching kate sit on a white chair and complain about exhaustion.

Plain Jane said...

Take it from the horse's mouth, Beth and Bob decided they wanted nothing more to do with the Gosselins, not the other way around.

Bella said...

Count me in as feeling (just my two cents) that it was more beth and bob separating themselves from Goesslins then the other way around. I'm sure keight was starting to make a move to push them out but for some reason I could definitely see beth and bob sensing that (in addition to how keight have snow-jobed them as well) and acted quicker and faster as in "no you're not showing me the door, I'm running the F out".

I also got the vibe from the very limited time we saw beth's husband, he was not cool with the tv show aspect. I think one ep. they even made a joke about catching him on screen with a arrow pointing to him. Sure he let them film in their house but it was a F'MANSION. Lots of time it would just be beth shown in the house with the kids. That mixed in with kate's increased diva behavior, then the whole book then, I can totally see that couple as like "oh hell no, enough is enough".

Tyra said...

I love Aunt Jodi and Kevin for what they are trying to do with speaking out. I also believe every word they are saying, but the thing that bothers me,is why did Aunt Jodi go on these trips with Jon and Kate when she has kids of her own to take care of???

Bella said...

workingmom and I dont apologize said...
"If Aunt Jodi and Beth are "second mothers" then do all the children of working parents have second mothers? Are they daycare workers "second parents"?"

I think the aspect, at least of beth being like a second mom was that on more then one occassion and one episode did they talk about aiden referring to beth as his "mom" as well. Now I don't have kids but just the idea that my child would call another woman his mom as well. Well it would not sit well with me. I also found it one of the many heart-breaking things with the kids that poor aiden felt more love and affection from beth then his own mother. Aaden clearly is not a girl so that pushes his worth down plus kate has frequently referred to aiden as so gross and messy. I doubt she even goes near him now. If he didn't have his glasses so kate could make fun of the "professor angle" with him I doubt she would even take notice of him.

Which reminds me another thing among many that piss me off about keight is their humor with their kids. Now kids are a LOT smarter and more perceptive then you give them credit for but the constant sarcasm they would do with them. Ah just pissed me off. Sarcasm is hard enough for some dim-witted adults to pick up on, let alone children who have yet to understood how people (let alone their parents) can be a-holes by "joking" with them while making them feel dumb. Sarcasm little kids do not get. When kate would make comments to the kids and they would lovingly and innocently answer them then the smerks or laughs that followed by keight. Ah, made me want to slap them both through the tv.

Dee Dee said...

Beth may have put the story down on paper but it was Kate's story.

Like most celebrity 'autobiographies', the writer got credit on the bottom of the cover but the celebrity does the publicizing and book signings.

I had a feeling that once Beth got paid for writing that book it would be the end for her and the Gosselins due to Kate's hatred of anyone but her very own bad self profiting off the kids.

nohumorinhurting said...

Kate and Jon may have been encouraged by TLC producers for their "wit" (sarcasm) but like Jon said in the season's preview, anything can be too much. Kate's sarcasm is like nails on a chalk-board. It is no longer funny, especially when it is aimed at her kids. I have left the room when they have made fun of those kids and in fact, it got me to see the light and quit watching. Rarely do we see Kate aim her sarcasm where it belongs---at herself. What these parents did to Mady when she went to the dentist and how they both made fun of her teeth was one of the most disgusting things I've seen in awhile on a "family" program. How a parent could watch the finish product of their own show (they get paid dearly for) by exploiting and demeaning their kids and be proud is beyond me.

Stacey said...

I noticed from the beginning how much kinder and gentler Jodi was with the kids. She gave them the love and respect they deserve. Beth, as well, always appeared to have loved those children and wanted to do what was best for them. Neither of them appeared to want to profit off of them. Kate obviously thought otherwise. Because of their mothers insecurities and greediness these children lost two valuable people in their lives. In a normal childs life, losing two beloved people would be upsetting. In the kids case, it is probably even more upsetting for them, as so many people are trying to profit off them. I just hope, one day that these children can have a relationship with her once more..

Kathryn said...

Quite frankly I'm disgusted how Dr. Phil kisses this woman's butt....yet he crucified Octomom.
Has ANYONE publicly stood up to Kate Gosselin and questioned her motives? No, on the contrary they feed into her enormous ego...
I don't get it

marypoppins said...

Plain Jane said...
Take it from the horse's mouth, Beth and Bob decided they wanted nothing more to do with the Gosselins, not the other way around.
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i cringed when i watched Kate have a fit when meeting the Disney Princess becuase someone got ice cream on their shirt.
I cringed when Kate began to sob loudly becasue the plane was delayed.

I wonder what it was like for the people who were standng next to her.

Regina said...

So, in light of all this, who do you think J&K named in their will as the childrens' guardians? I believe in that episode that it was important to them that the guardian take all 8. I assumed it was Jodi & Kevin (as family) or Beth & Bob (who could afford it). Do you think that has changed?

Kathryn said...

...oops, I stand corrected in my earlier post. I thought that Beth's husband Bob was the one who did the portrait of the tups, but it wasn't. In any event, I'm sure it was free...
BTW: Love everyone's posts!!!

zoey said...

Aaden or Joel (i forget wich) used to refer to Beth as his mother called her mom and everything (per kates book)

lindahoyt said...

Jennifer D, you and I have a lot in common....

Jennifer D said...

lindahoyt said...
Jennifer D, you and I have a lot in common....



Ok- I am realllly curious!

SaNdY said...

zoey said...
Aaden or Joel (i forget wich) used to refer to Beth as his mother called her mom and everything (per kates book)
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I believe Aaden was especially attached to Beth...on one of the trip episodes, Kate was talking about who prefers to sit next to who, and she said when you ask Aaden who he'd like to sit next to, he'd say 'Bef'

Holly said...

Kate has a BMW now?

SaNdY said...

Tyra said...
I love Aunt Jodi and Kevin for what they are trying to do with speaking out. I also believe every word they are saying, but the thing that bothers me,is why did Aunt Jodi go on these trips with Jon and Kate when she has kids of her own to take care of???
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I believe the only two trips Jodi went on were the first visit to Oprah, and Kate said she asked Jodi because she and Jodi always dreamed about going to see Oprah together one day (one nice thing Kate actually did!)...the other one was the Utah trip, when Beth had to leave a day or 2 earlier than the Gosselins and Jodi flew out especially to help Jon and Kate on the trip home, I believe Jodi did all she did out of the goodness of her heart because she loved the kids and wanted to be helpful to Jon and Kate...as a side note, if I am correct, I believe there was some controversy about Beth leaving before the Gosselins on the ski trip episode...there are comments about it somewhere on this blog because I recall reading about it...that possibly Kate was angry about Beth disciplining Mady when Jon and Kate went to dinner alone one nite during the trip...Beth and her daughter were watching all the kids, Mady said something like she didn't have to be nice to the little kids because they weren't babies anymore, that blew Beth's mind (understandably so)and Beth marched Mady up to bed immediately...can anyone else add to this?? Do I remember it correctly?

Jennifer D said...

SaNdY said...
that possibly Kate was angry about Beth disciplining Mady when Jon and Kate went to dinner alone one nite during the trip...Beth and her daughter were watching all the kids, Mady said something like she didn't have to be nice to the little kids because they weren't babies anymore, that blew Beth's mind (understandably so)and Beth marched Mady up to bed immediately...can anyone else add to this?? Do I remember it correctly?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHO9ibNNvc8&feature=related

At around 3:00 you see the interaction with Beth and Maddy. Kate is saying that she is ok with it during the interview. If she got upset later on I don't know....I can't stomach watching the whole episode.

Shelly'sFedUp said...

SaNdY said...
Tyra said...
I love Aunt Jodi and Kevin for what they are trying to do with speaking out. I also believe every word they are saying, but the thing that bothers me,is why did Aunt Jodi go on these trips with Jon and Kate when she has kids of her own to take care of???
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I believe the only two trips Jodi went on were the first visit to Oprah, and Kate said she asked Jodi because she and Jodi always dreamed about going to see Oprah together one day (one nice thing Kate actually did!)...the other one was the Utah trip, when Beth had to leave a day or 2 earlier than the Gosselins and Jodi flew out especially to help Jon and Kate on the trip home, I believe Jodi did all she did out of the goodness of her heart because she loved the kids and wanted to be helpful to Jon and Kate...as a side note, if I am correct, I believe there was some controversy about Beth leaving before the Gosselins on the ski trip episode...there are comments about it somewhere on this blog because I recall reading about it...that possibly Kate was angry about Beth disciplining Mady when Jon and Kate went to dinner alone one nite during the trip...Beth and her daughter were watching all the kids, Mady said something like she didn't have to be nice to the little kids because they weren't babies anymore, that blew Beth's mind (understandably so)and Beth marched Mady up to bed immediately...can anyone else add to this?? Do I remember it correctly?


I remember the incident but If I recall Kate was amused when she spoke of it on the couch, and said something to the effect that Beth had Mady's number and she didn't take any crap from her

Blueberry Pancakes said...

Plain Jane said...
Take it from the horse's mouth, Beth and Bob decided they wanted nothing more to do with the Gosselins, not the other way around.
Hmmm...when did that come out of the "horse's mouth"?

Lilianne said...

This "post" is wrong on so many levels. Who sold their story to a tabloid? Not Beth. Beth wrote an autobiography with the subject. Kate had every right to tell her story. That was not making money off the kids.

The author seems to point out many times that Beth is "wealthy" in a disparaging way. Having money is not evil. Obviously, Beth's intentions towards the kids and book wasn't money. Jodi had no problem being on the show, seeing Oprah, etc... as long as she was welcome on the show.

I think Beth hasn't spoken out because she has a family, a life and doesn't want to be sucked into the blog world where her every word, action would be criticized and gone over in detail.

Heck, look at this post... The author is coming up with reasons and explanations as to why Beth hasn't spoken out, pulled from thin air. What, if Beth doesn't do an interview with RadarOnline she must be hiding? Give me a break.

Just imagine if Beth had spoken out, she would never be left alone. She has other more important things in her life than the Gosselins and their TV show.

Leave Beth out of this. She obviously doesn't want to be involved.

PotatoChip said...

Why does every situation have to have only one good guy?

Jodi and Beth are BOTH wonderful women who went above and beyond to help out.

One of them being better doesn't make the other one bad!

ugh said...

Well, the gum episode is now on. 8 pm EST. This is when I officially started to hate Kate. Was this A.J.'s last official appearance?

lisa K said...

kate is a cocky bitch said...

Lisa K, the reason why everyone is beleiving Aunt Jodi and Kevin (myself included) is because what they say makes sense. They are not doing these interviews for publicity and fame. If anything I can only imagine that it is a huge imposition on the private lives. But they have stepped foward to give their honest views out the sake of the children. As far as I'm concerned with KON wants to swing from 1 chandelier to the next with multiple new "friends" I could care less. But their children deserve parents who will not exploit them and will protect them and be there for them. Even though Jon has some culpability he by far has at least shown some compassion and caring towards his children and might I even say some remorse for the exploitation? We can only hope that things get better, but I am farily certain that it will continue to get worse because The Queen's greedy need for material wealth is what matters most to her.

5/22/2009 12:59 PM
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I believe them to. There may be two Lisa K commenter here or maybe you have confused me with someone else.

Pamela Jaye said...

Hopefully I'm still in the right thread. Someone came and distracted me.

I agree almost totally. Except for one thing.

Granted Jodi went way out of her way to take care of those kids (someone had to). Granted Kate is a social climber who, if Beth was as rich as her house implied, would have reason to go after Beth (and I hate people who befriend you, falsely, for what they can get!)

But I don't find Beth to be guilty in this. She wrote a book. She got paid for writing a book. It's okay to get paid for working.
The only way I could think of her badly was if she wrote a book full of lies. But is it possible Kate snowed her? Some people will go to great lengths to think the best of others. Love covers sins and all that. If Kate was kissing up to her, perhaps she was nice in front of her. Pretended to be as spiritual as the book made her out to be.
Maybe Beth actually believed it.

The only reason, really, to reveal any sins here, is for the sake of the children who are hurting. That's why Kevin and Jodi spoke up, wasn't it?

So Kate used her, and tossed her out with the garbage. Or Beth wised up and ran for the hills. Whatever. Jodi kept her mouth shut for a long time. Maybe Beth will speak up, or maybe she's under a contract not to.

I did read the book. Got it from the library (where i was 35th on the waiting list). It sounded like it was written by someone who believed in trusting in God. Obviously not Kate. But Beth? Sometimes we're so busy being harmless as doves, we forget to be wise as serpents. Maybe she just wanted to believe the best. For all we know, maybe she still does, or she's off somewhere, praying Kate will see the light, and feels that's the best way to deal with all of this. I haven't heard from her - I don't know her. I'm curious about it. But I know of people who have been abused, stalked and terrorized and the most they will say is "I hope that person gets some help." And *that's* not going to make the news, is it?

I do hope that *someone* is mothering these kids. I never knew I had a grandmother till I was 10, and then she didn't stay long, cause my father decided he hated her *again.* So I have no idea what it's like to have grandparents (just like Kate's kids apparently) but at least I had an aunt who loved me (and I also had a mother who loved me)

I continue to hope that the kids' future therapists have all these episodes on tape, to speed up the therapy that they are going to need, through no fault of their own.

Praisehisnameonthelastday said...

We spoke of Jodi at my Bible study group.
We were meditating on Psalms 127:3 "Lo, children are a heritage of Jehovah; [And] the fruit
of the womb is [his] reward."

Although the precious( as God sees all the little ones) eight cherubs were not birthed by Jodi, she did treat them as the fruit of her womb.

T said...

I think anyone speaking up at this point (that was once close to the family) is a good thing for the kids. I wish BETH would speak up and talk about what she knows about the going-ons in the Gosselin family. She should follow in the footsteps of Jodi and Kevin and Angie Krall and SPEAK UP! If nothing else, for the kids and for the scam and lies Kon are spewing.

kathy said...

Wow, I was so pleased to see that my comment submitted to the general section was chosen to spark a discussion on this topic. Thank you Serena! I confess, I wish I had proofread it a little more instead of just dashing it off before I left for a memorial weekend trip, but I was happy to see it and all the responses nontheless. I would like to clarify one or two points if I may.

First of all, I was initially responding to a particular post by a person who said that they felt that while they liked Jodi and it was well and good she was speaking up, they were really looking forward to Beth speaking out since, in their opinion, it would pack more punch because Beth was really a second mother to the children. I read other posts in a similar vein, and I have always felt that Beth was given a special place in the show and a lot of flattery while Jodi was more in the background. That's what compelled me to write in.

I made sure to say that my comments were not meant to take anything away from Beth. She is obviously a good hearted, generous person who helped a lot with the kids. When I called her "wealthy" and "influential" I really was talking about from Kate's perspective. I think she got an exaggerated amount of kudos and commentary from Kate mainly because she (Kate) admired her lifestyle and wanted to curry favor with a woman she felt was influential and a role model in terms of wealth. She was also probably working Beth for her connections in PR and publishing. This is not to say that Beth herself isn't a wonderful person, which in many ways we all saw she is, it was more to explain it from Kate's perspective since she (Kate) is only really in this for herself.I see that many of the people who responded got my point. Some didn't but that's ok. I just wanted to clarify.

(to be continued)

kathy said...

(continued)

About Jodi, my intention was to point out things that might have been missed by many since they were glossed over by the show and by Kate. In Jodi, I saw an advocate for the children from day one, albeit an unassuming, gentle one. Never did I see her degrade or denigrate the children in any way and I always sensed that when she was around, she had a clarity about how she wanted to treat the children. She was incredibly nurturing and protective of them and in her house we never saw them in innapropriate attire or in embarrassing situations. I admired her clarity. I felt that some others, though well-meaning, did not have the same level of sensitivity or protectiveness. One instance comes to mind that really bothered me. I am sure it wasn't intentional, but it ended up being very awkward in my eyes. When the boys were potty training, they went to Beth and Bob's and I don't remember who's idea this was, but the potties were put outside the house for the boys to use perhaps not to sully the indoor bathrooms. Not only that, but the boys were filmed going to the bathroom outside the house, in the fromt yard! Jon and Bob loomed over them and Jon even commented about how Collin was embarrassed and had performance anxiety because he was embarrassed at being watched from people on the nearby street. Even THEN they didn't stop filming him, in fact they zoomed in on his embarrassed little face. The expression on Collin's face killed me! He looked so depressed and upset but no adult picked up on his distress. I could tell that when the kids were in Jodi's care, things like this just didn't happen, perhaps because of her special sensitivity where children are concerned and her desire to do right by them, first and foremost.

As for the book and book deal, I speculated that it could be a reason Beth has not said anything. People speculate on why she hasn't spoken out on this and other blogs daily and I was adding my two cents in, that it could be contractual. Some want to hear from her and some say she obviously doesn't want to be involved. That is certainly her choice and her right.

I suppose when I wrote my post, I was disheartened to see the criticism Jodi and Kevin were getting for speaking out to Radar online. I wanted them to know that I understand why they did and I support them in what can't be an easy road. I respect their desire to help and protect their family members from a situation they view (as many of us do) as detrimental to them. Many people don't seem to understand how critical childhoods are for children and think that money makes up for everything. These formative years are when neural pathways are set, paving the road for the adults of tomorrow. Self worth and a sense of autonomy are critical, especially for toddlers and above. Jodi knows this. I thank Jodi and Kevin for seeing what is truly important and standing up for it. While there have been a legion of kind people like Beth and Nana Janet etc who have shown the kids generosity and nurturing, I have a special place in my heart for Jodi and Kevin for their courage in speaking out for what they believe.

sean said...

Beth is proably a very nice woman but remember she was a stranger who reached out to Kate. I think Kate liked Beth because Beth had money and no other reason. They became fast friends, as it happens in many cases those kind of friendships end as quickly as they start. It has been reported that Beth and her husband scaled down a lot and sold their big home. Like many of us they proably took a beating in the stock market. Beth also may be remaining silent because she is making money off the sale of the book. She may need the money for losses they incurred due to the economy. Everyone has suffered to some degree due to the economic downturn.

cossysmom said...

I am not in any way defending Kate. Many posters have said that Jodi has never gotten a thank you from Kate, never got a spa day, never received any appreciation from Kate. We don't know for sure that that is true. What we do know is that we have never seen Jodi receive anything from Kate. We need to remember that this is a TV show. There is editing involved. We see what TLC shows us. That being said, I agree that Kate is a self centered witch who will use what she can of others and toss them aside when she is done.

I've been watching the old shows off and on this weekend and I am struck by what this family once was and has now become. I honestly don't think TLC is purposely showing us a meaner and more uncaring Kate. I think that is what they have to work with. Money doesn't buy happiness, but it can provide a means to feed and clothe your family. Once that is taken care of, people with money are able to explore things that will add to their happiness. I think that is how this show started and the greed took over. People need to know when to say no, when to appreciatively accept gifts, and most importantly--how to be humble. The Gosselins don't seem to understand these concepts.

On the one hand, I want to children to be spared of the spotlight. On the other, I fear for the sense of abandonment they will feel when the cameras and crew are gone.

I pray that Jon and Kate have invested money from this show for the children. Think about this. It is rumored that they are paid anywhere between $25,000 and $75,000 per show. I've read somewhere that they have taped 92 shows. Assuming that they were paid $75,000 for every episode that means they have made $6,900,000. Now let's assume that they have divided this amount into 10 equal shares. Jon and Kate would have made $1,380,000 between the two of them. They've bought a house that is well over one million, several very expensive cars, a house in Utah, and possibly much more that we don't know about. They've already spent more than their share. Who is looking after the children's money??? They've earned it and they should be able to be confident that they'll receive it when they become of age. I'm afraid they won't.

Short Tami said...

Just a thought, had Kate had enough sense to pay Jodi, she could have kept her silent by having a conventionality agreement, but noooooooo.....she didn't think that far ahead. Duh...

lauraanne3 said...

The "gum" episode was for me the turning point as well. I started watching the show because my twin teen girls loved it and got me into it too....like many I loved the concept and just enjoyed watching the daily lives of this family and enjoyed what I thought were their strong family values and what seemed the honesty of their lives.....Aunt Jodi seemed to be a genuine, loving, caring presence in the children's lives as well as her husband, Kevin, Kate's brother. Here she was with a big family of her own but pitching in and helping out Kate for what seemed no other reason but because she genuinely loved her nieces and nephews unconditionally....Aunt Jodi seemed to be a sweet, gentle person in their lives and what thanks did she get for it? None! Instead she was critized after a long day of watching the tups for having the audacity to give them gum! That episode was the first time I really started to see Kate for the person she is....Kate was livid! And then to call Aunt Jodi and admonish her for it, on national TV no less, after she had just watched her children! Instead of being grateful for having such a person in her children's lives, she felt it necessary to belittle and criticize her on camera over gum.....and I think she actually toned herself down a bit for TV....I can only imagine what she said or has said about Jodi off air.....let's face it,as parents, we all have people in our children's lives that perhaps spoil or overindulge them in ways that we may not, but we should be grateful that there are people that love our children in that way, unconditionally, and not because they are TV stars! And let's not forget, it was only a piece of gum!!!!! I am assuming that Jodi and Kevin are not allowed in the children's live now and that is a shame.....I hope that the Gosselin children remember how much their Aunt and Uncle loved them and all the "little treats" or displays of love they received from them and one day are part of each others lives again. I also noticed that or never heard Kate talk too much about Jodi and Kevin's children and what they meant to her. Is she so wrapped up in her own life that she couldn't remember and do anything special for her own nieces and nephews? With all this money she is making from her show and everything else, has she thought about anyone else besides herself? Why wasn't Jodi or Kevin allowed to benefit financially? I for one would have been thrilled for my brother to be able to put money away for his children's future. There is certainly enough to go around....nothing was going to be taken from Kate but yet she just cut them out....did it ever occur to Kate to set up some sort of fund for her nieces and nephew's future? Her selfishness is sickening.....

Penny said...

TPoV said...

On another note,I will not be watching the season premiere, as I don't want to make the show more popular, but I can't wait for the overview.

Just as an FYI as to how TV ratings work, unless you possess a Neilson Black Box which records what programs you watch(only 5000 US and Canadian families have) there is no way of counting if you tune in or not to J&K or any other show for the matter. So unless you possess a Neilson Black ratings box feel free to tune in and know you are not "supporting" J&K.

Henry said...

There are a lot of interesting comments here. I personally think that Kate is doing the best she knows how to do. I'm sure she realizes this is her moment to make enough money to get her through the rest of her years. There's no way Jon's career would be able to pay for all 8 of those kids to go to college. Mothers do what they have to in order to provide for their children. Let's hope she knows what she's doing!

curious mom said...

I have read some ppl post and was amazed how everyone is feeling.
However one thing that struck me from the beginning about this show is...
Kate and john showed us how bicultured marriage is.
and have such a beautiful children.
i know that Asian man are quiete and a white woman is strong.

Watching the show I have learned a lot of them and I have to say I am sad that the family members of Kate are dishing out the dirty laundry. Yes kate signed up to do the show and I honestly it is time for her to pull the plug if she really wants to save the marriage.
If she does it I think John will be willing to work things out.
I just will keep praying for the family to find resolution!
by curiousmom

Bornicks said...

Concerning the gum incident. My first thought was that the children were at Aunt Jodi's house so, unless it something that is dangerous for their health, Kate should accept that some of the rules might be different (or that the children might lie on what they where allowed to eat or not). Gum can be removed by placing the item in the freezer, and then scraping the gum. There was absolutely no need for Kate to say that she would have to throw away any clothings or toys.

I was also appalled by Kate's attitudes. In the brief moment I believe that we saw the "real" Kate.

[English is not my first language so please excuse the mistakes)

bornicks said...

I just watched the interview with Aunt Jodi and her husband on The Early Show (CBS), and I really believe that they care deeply for the children.

Christi said...

A quick note about Beth. I am sure she was one of the adults helping decorate at the tup's 5th party on Monday night's show.

Kate never said one single word about how thankful she was, only barked orders. I noticed that Beth never smiled or spoke once. It was odd, as if she were only there for the kid's and not there for Kate. I personally got the vibe that she wished she wasn't there at all, but had to be.

I am sure that Beth isn't in the best place. I don't think she even cares for Kate, honestly. Now she is just in too deep.

Jodi and the gum. I posted this somewhere else, but it has to be said again. Help is hard to come by, if someone helps you take it and deal with what they do(unless they cause harm to your children). Gum can be taken out of hair w/ peanut butter, and clothes are replaceable...but good people to help you with your kids are not. The way she acted over that gum was insane, just like her.

Hate4Kate said...

Kevin could barely get a word out today in the interview, just goes to show how STRONGLY Jodi feels. I'm glad they are speaking out and I have to admit that I believe everything they have said. I guess that's how much they come off as honest people.