Life Imitates Art

I've noticed a lot of people commenting on this site about what the future may hold for these famous eight children born into the most unfortunate circumstances (to parents completely seduced by money and celebrity). I was thinking how true the saying is about life imitating art and vice versa. Remember "The Truman Show" — a movie more ahead of it's time than we realized when it was released in 1998? Although it may not seem like it at first glance, I think that Jon & Kate Plus 8 is not unlike that movie in one critical — and sad — way. continue

Submitted by Carolina R.

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fostersmom said...

I've noticed a lot of people commenting on this site about what the future may hold for these famous eight children born into the most unfortunate circumstances (to parents completely seduced by money and celebrity). I was thinking how true the saying is about life imitating art and vice versa. Remember "The Truman Show" — a movie more ahead of it's time than we realized when it was released in 1998? Although it may not seem like it at first glance, I think that Jon & Kate Plus 8 is not unlike that movie in one critical — and sad — way.

Here's what I mean: Jim Carey's character is the only one who doesn't know he's being filmed, thus making the Truman Show's exploitation of him that much more egregious. The Gosselin children may see the cameras all the time, but really, they don't understand what's going on. Right now, they're too young and sheltered, so they have very little clue as to the extent that their privacy is being violated and what that will mean for them in the future.

If the show is allowed to go on and on, one day when they're older, they will start to feel the impact that the gross loss of privacy has had on their lives. In the movies, they would make the simple, heroic choice: They would confront their "Christof" (i.e. Jon and Kate) and walk out on the life they were given no choice to lead for a quiet existence of humility and dignity.

Unfortunately, real life is far more complex, as we all know. Some of the kids may be oblivious as to why they're so emotionally confused, why they might have so little sense of safety and fairness in their view of the world. But others, no doubt, will connect the dots and want to confront the truth about how their parents essentially sold them out. And they'll be torn between their parents and the hurtful truth that they've been robbed of their right to privacy and anonymity.

We see how manipulative, completely un-self-aware and defensive Kate is now, right? Wait until some of those children grow older and try to tell her she was wrong. Can you imagine how she will crush their spirits, perhaps force them to choose between her and that truth?

Of course, I could be way off on my predictions. I do hope they prove me wrong — that they all get past this circus and grow up fine and strong and well-adjusted. But my parental instincts scream that it's not going to be that way for at least some of the Gosselin kids. For them, it will be like swimming against the tide — it will take so much for them to work through the issues that their exploitation has caused.

I just feel so bad for those kids - their parents will never end this madness.

Submitted by Carolina R.

Dan said...

Good point!Now that I think of it,it's pretty similar.

UncleKid said...

Thoughtful post, Carolina.

Well said.

Thank you.

Aunt Julie said...

I feel sorry because children learn coping mechanisms to react to life as they become self aware. The twins have alluded to a rough time at school and don't appear to have friends.
The tups don't have a clue so when they go shopping and it is not a staged event and they need to deal with people not designed to cater to them it will be a shock to there system. The extras paid to be in there life are disposal and they have no saftey net beyond the siblings in the same boat.

I keep thinking Maddy and Cara are going to be children's rights advocates some day. Selling there own book that paints the real story.

Sue said...

When the Truman Show was released, I think most people thought it had an Orwellian quality about it. It seemed to be streching the parody of reality shows to the limit.
I doubt that anyone watching it at the time would have believed that less than ten years later, this very situation would be playing itself out it front of millions of people.
In later years, when they question a society that sat back in their recliners with their beer and potato chips and watched this all happen,what will we tell them?
Anyone have an answer?








The children will ask us all, "Where were you for us? Why didn't somebody out there speak up for us?"
What will we tell them?

tiredgirl622 said...

The Truman Show comparison is a good one. Even just the product placements have become pretty sinister (my Nationwide agent wanted me to look at something on the internet). That was so blatant, it did seem like a line from a movie that was a farce (but it wasn't).

That is nothing compared to the loss of humanity that occurs for the children. I imagine that they lead two lives - the lights, cameras and microphone lives (with the attendant people involved) and a life without all of that. But the lights and cameras probably sit in the corner, so there's no getting around it anyway. But it must be confusing when you wake up each morning - is today a camera day or not?

Just trying to picture a life like that is nearly unfathomable. You would become two different people; you'd have to. And I can imagine that things have to be redone, you have to repeat things if the microphone didn't catch it the first time, you have to run up the stairs just so if the camera wasn't there initially. So you probably are reliving your life in small, filmed increments.

It reminds me of a friend I have who wanted every event of her children filmed/photographed for posterity. In the end, the events weren't the events anymore, they were photographic opportunities. I wanted to hide her cameras and make her just experience the moment. But she couldn't - the moment was there for her to preserve for later viewing. That's a strange way to live. Imagine that being the only thing you know. Not a pleasant life.

KiSSy said...

Beautifully stated.

Reality television treads on psychological thin ice. The repercussions of a real life "Truman Show" could be devastating for these children.

Their world is anything but real. They create events to make their show more appealing, more entertaining. How boring would it be to watch them just sit around and watch TV or play board games. So the Gosselins have created a story line that includes trips, freebies and other things that wouldn't be a part of their world were they not filming.

And I can't help but think that Kate (and Mady) don't play up to the camera. Not real.

How sad when these children grow up and realize that they don't know who they are.

Karma said...

I do not know what the future holds for the kids, but I have an idea of where yawn and take are heading;

The scene: A sleazy, 3rd floor apartment, one block off of Bourbon Street. It is deep into another torrid Louisiana summer, sometime in the not so distant future.

A heavy set woman, 40ish, with short spiky hair in the back and odd, caramel colored stripes in the front sits alone in a dark room, taking long drags of her Marlboro reds and mumbles obscenities, agitated at what she is reading from the glow of an old laptop. The sound of weights clanking and a man grunting in slowing intervals from another room muffles the ladies colorful vent.

"Danny!, get in here, now!" screams the woman, eyes bulging, cigarette smoke exclaiming each syllable.

A diminutive but muscular middle aged man, a former child star, appears, slowly, at the threshold of the cluttered room.

"Do you know how big Dustin Diamond is?" the irritated lady queries her live-in boyfriend of 3 months.

The lady met the heavily freckled and randomly tattoed man 3 months earlier while they were filming the TLC reality series, "Celebrity Visitation". Danny taught the lady how to smoke and the lady taught Danny how to fear a woman for the first time in his life.

"He was Screech for God sakes!, baby I can handle him, you need to focus on Omarossa" the man replied, sheepishly, nearly forty years of chain smoking reduced his voice to sounding like bad brakes on dry gravel.

"We have to win this, Daniel!", the lady stressed each syllable as years of poor cosmetic reconstruction distorted her angry, orangish face, "the Ex has an infomercial airing, Dammit!"

The ladies ex cashed in on his diluted Asian roots and inked his name to and acted as a spokesman on a line of poorly crafted, cheap, Asian themed cookware targeted to young hip Asian Americans. His "Wok on!" (picture chop sticks in the form of that devil rock and roll sign) infomercial could be seen on 2 satellite channels at 2, 4 and 6 a.m.

Scene 2: The bowells of a sparsely filled downtown civic center in Paducah, Ky.

The contestants of a reality series "Celebrity Wrestling; On the Road!" gather for an emergency meeting with the shows executive producer, Scott Baio. The striped hair lady, in gold spandex and sweatband, is overheard chatting with 2 old friends.

"Gurl, I aksed the lady at the spray tan spa to make me oranger, but aint nothing but poor people up in that place, horrific!" The lady is overheard complaining to Star Jones and Marsha Brady.

The lady and Mrs. Jones have been friend for a year or so. They met when they were both contestants on another reality show "Celebrity Divorce, 12", also produced by Scott Baio. Marsha Brady, seemingly, had nowhere else to stand.

"I think your perfect" an almost sober Andy Dick interjects as his angry live in girlfriend, Kathy Griffin, looks on in disgust. The lady and Andy share a long, telling, glance into each others eyes, a wink shared.

An affair between the 2 has been brewing ever since they were house mates on another reality series "Celebrity Foreclosure", produced by......Baio.

The same Scott Baio now stands in the dusty, dimly lit corridor of the 75 year old arena that last week hosted a semi-regional traveling circus that featured a Labrador retriever that fetched an old dirty tennis ball and an aged monkey that rocked nervously on his tricycle, moments before attacking his drunk handler.

"People, we have a problem" Baio's voice seem to squeak, almost pubescent.

"We have 317 people in the stands and we gave away 200 tickets. I hav'nt sold this episode to anybody, not even TLC! I cant guarantee the agreed winners purse of $10,000. The best I can do is $1719.00."

Dog the bounty hunter and his wife looked to the rafters as Danny and his lady shared a lighter, seemingly indifferent. Silence, except for the humming of the cheap lighting and the distant smack of an inflated pop corn bag, blanketed the oddly dressed d-listers, one of the Coreys pretended to text someone from a darkened i-phone.

Finally, Gary Coleman broke the pregnant silence "but we leave here tonight with that, right?

"Yea, but..." Chachi's boyish response was quickly lost in the chatter as the group resumed their previous conversations, desperately networking.

anayway, just a thought....

BMWoP said...

Great post!

I can see Kate witholding the kids rightfully earned money if they chose to walk away because of what she and Jon did to them. I can see them "getting paid" if they show up for Christmas, Thanksgiving, etc. Don't show up? No money for you!

She will dangle their hard earned money over their heads to manipulate them into doing what she wants them to do and how she wants them to treat her.

One day.....one day in the future....Kate Gosselin will be sitting all alone in that mansion, except for the few people she pays to stick around. Jon will be gone. The kids will be gone ( hopefully they will tell her where she can stick that money ). And she will be sitting there boo-hooing, wondering why nobody wants anything to do with her. I know Jon is guilty,too, but somehow I feel Kate is the puppet master. The grand poobah. The mastermind behind the entire charade. She has worked hard to build herself up so high, so she deserves to fall the farthest and hardest.

Pamela said...

What motivating factor will the kids have to pursue a career and go to college, if all they've been taught their entire lives is that they can be millionaires and have anything they want, as long as they allow cameras to film their every move?

Who me? Work hard? Why, I'm a Gosselin, silly. I don't do that. Working is for the little people.

( Note to Kate & Jon. Checking emails til midnight and being on conference calls between tanning sessions and pub crawls IS NOT WORKING! A monkey can be taught to do that. You cannot count raising your OWN children as a full-time job that you deserve to be paid $75,000 a week for ).

Those were embryos you saw on that ultrasound monitor. Not lotto balls.

KiSSy said...

It would be very interesting to know if any funds were in trust for those kids. Since they are not actors, the laws are not the same.

Jon, do your kids a huge favor and get them legal representation and make sure they have direct deposited funds.

grandee3 said...

We don't want her here in New Orleans, send her to LA or somewhere else. The people that live in the Quarter (Bourbon St) are a close bunch, they will chew her up and spit her out.
Wait,,,, on second thought, yeah send her here, they will take care of her. I hope the first thing they do is shave her head. he he

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

I have never, and will never, take my children to the circus, even though all their friends go. I have explained to them the reason we do not go: the animals are forced to perform for the audience and do things that are not natural or normal for them. They are caged and leashed. They are put on display for money that goes to other people. They are forced to work when they should be playing. Food is with-held from them as a punishment. They are verbally and physically abused. What is the difference between the circus life and the Gosselin's life? The answer is...sadly... nothing...everytime I see the Gosselin children parading in public, I visualize the circus train coming to town, and the helpless animals paraded from the circus train to the big top. Kate has managed to turn her precious children into nothing more than a circus side-show, or even worse, carnival freaks. (I have posted a similiar essay on today's TMZ daily photo of Jon and Kate).

Shari said...

The Gosselin children will have the loving arms of an Uncle & Aunt to walk into. The (inevitable) rejection of their mother someday will be hard to take at first, but after feeling UNCONDITIONAL love from their extended family, they'll realize it was better for them in the end.

(Trust me, I speak from experience.)

TooSadToWatch said...

tired girl said: It reminds me of a friend I have who wanted every event of her children filmed/photographed for posterity. In the end, the events weren't the events anymore, they were photographic opportunities. I wanted to hide her cameras and make her just experience the moment. But she couldn't - the moment was there for her to preserve for later viewing. That's a strange way to live. Imagine that being the only thing you know. Not a pleasant life.
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That's precisely Kate. Everything's a photo op for "memories", but she so seldom participates or makes it fun. But there are group pictures...each time.

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

What really perplexes me, and frankly, drives me insane, is how Kate can get away with so much more than the octo-mom. Kate has basically received a free pass for the last 5 years, enabling her to earn millions, while the media was criticizing octo-mom from virtually day-one for her greed, selfishness, and pimping of her children for money. I honestly believe the reason may be that Kate is feigning Christianity, is married (ha,ha,ha), and of European heritage. Octo-mom, on the other hand, is not married, does not refer to "God" in every second sentence, and is of mixed, Middle-Eastern heritage. In other words, I believe there is racism and religiousity involved on the part of both the media and the general public.

Laura Q said...

MotherofTwo(couldnt afford more),

Awesome circus analogy. Cant believe I never thought of that.

Karma,

Kate smoking!?!?! Maybe but I'll bet she becomes a prescription pill popper. Its easier to hide than cigarettes, or alcohol and a Doctor prescribes . She may be a control freak but I've seen people just as bad as her go that route.

Loved your idea by the way but I would replace the cigarettes with pills.

Bicoastal said...

Mother of Two wrote regarding KON and Octomom: " ... I believe there is racism and religiousity involved on the part of both the media and the general public."

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Truer words never spoken; exactly why is Octomom so "gross" and Kate Gosselin deemed America's "favorite" Mom? The media is only now starting to wonder if it got this one waaaaay wrong.

Kate Gosselin is Nadya Suleman's role model; two downwardly-mobile individuals looking for a way out of their going-nowhere, mundane lives. Pop a bunch of kids and maybe live off sponsorships for a few years.

No journalist should dare call Ms. Suleman an "exploiter" and then blather positively about KON in the next breath without an anvil falling on their pointy little heads.

ATTENTION MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Gosselin parents = child exploitation with a deceitful back story a child could pick apart.

Good job, media! Still asleep at the wheel on this scandal.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Did I see the TV commmercial right? It seems like the Gosellins made a movie about visiting the museum which will be released this weekend at a theater? Now they are making movies?

Sue said...

Just saw Showbiz tonight. Kate is suppposedly writing a book about their marriage problems, and a TV movie is supposedly in the works.

Blessed Mama of 5 said...

I've been thinking exactly the same thing...great post, Carolina!

chrissie said...

In light of all the happenings and scandals I have been wondering a few things. Why hasn't Gloria Allred come after Jon and Kate? She is going after Nafya Suleman to insure the money goes to the children in the event that a reality show happpens. Are we to believe that Kate is putting money in trustfunds for all 8 of her kids? I think Gloria needs to look into this family. They are raking in the money.. all while exploiting their beautiful children.

I feel for Mady and Cara. Those girls are shown on the show so very one dimensional. Kate pretty much gave them their personas.. the sweet one and miserable one. My heart breaks for these little girls. Why can't Kate see that these girls are growing up and they need their mother? Instead they get cameras in their faces and gat to watch thier family fade away. These children have 0 privacy, and they are growing up in a fish bowl.

Please Gloria, look into J & K.. and make sure those kids are getting money. I hate to think how much therapy will be needed..

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

The ultimate in absurdity was when Dr. Phil, Oprah, and Larry King all summoned Kate to their shows so Kate could criticize octo-mom and Kate could present herself as a respected "expert" on successful multiple-child-rearing. I don't usually swear, but WTF !!!!

Robin said...

Suzanne DeAZ:
The Gosselins did a promotional show shot at the Smithsonian in Washington in early April. TLC is going to show it as the Season Premiere because the Night at the Museum movie is coming out. It is just promotion for the new movie.More BS.The kids are pushing a movie Kate probably wouldn't even let them see because she is too busy to take her kids out for the day to a movie, unless it is offered for free.

Natalie Gibbons said...

Please Gloria, look into J & K.. and make sure those kids are getting money. I hate to think how much therapy will be needed..

5/18/2009 8:52 PM
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Didn't you get the memo?

The show is all about Kate. The kids are rarely seen anymore.

We see J&K blabbing most of the time. GRRRRR ...

Patrice said...

Gloria Allread has an easier time going after Octomom because California has very strict child performer laws, unlike almost every other state. Also, Octomom has a documented background of neglect.

ClevelandRocks said...

They didn't make a movie, it's a tie in for the new Night at the Museum movie, just like they did for Desperaux.

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

I only started reading and posting on this site a few short weeks ago, but have really enjoyed the opportunity to read the insights of such thoughtful and caring people. This site gets a bum rap as a place where obsessed "haters" go. I couldn't agree less. This country was founded on the principles of free speech, and the right to a free press. If people's opinions are squashed, we might as well all be living in Cuba. As a late-in-life, grateful mother of two (I was in my mid-40's when they were born), nothing infuriates me more than the ingratitude of Kate Gosselin. Add to that her insincere use of religion as a money-making-tool, and I am just livid. I don't hate Kate Gosselin, I pity her. I don't hate the sinner, I hate the sin. I don't hate the perperator, I hate what the perperator is doing to the victim (or in this case, the victims). So, yes, I am a "hater". But a hater of evil. A hater of injustice. A hater of all that is wrong in this world being dumped on 8 innocent small children. That, I am guilty of...and proud of it.

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

I apologized a few days ago for a lot of spelling and gramatical errors on a few of my posts, and promised to take time to check spelling from now on. The problem is, half the time when I'm posting, I'm just INFURIATED about something the Gosselins just did (like getting a clothing contract from Wal-Mart: what kind of magicians are they to pull that one out of their hat?). Or, I'm in a hurry to do something for my kids, or feeling guilty about taking so much time away from my kids to read the posts on this site. But you know what? We're all entitled to our choice of indulgences, and this site is the only "me" time I allow myself. I don't go to spas, or tanning salons, or get timmy tucks, or teeth-whitening, and I haven't had a vacation in over 4 years (not to mention an all-expense paid one to Utah, or Hawaii, or Disneyworld, or North Carolina, or Africa, or China or Korea). We live 25 miles South of Disneyland, in Orange County, California, and we don't even have the discretionary funds to take our kids there for the day. So yes, I will continue to enjoy my daily guilty pleasure of reading and posting online at this site. Thank you very much, and good night.

idontwantyourhair said...

That Despereaux tie-in was horrible! While at St. Jude, Kate handed out copies of the book.

She mentioned that it was her favorite book while on bed rest.

I don't quite believe that she was giving the book because of her strong personal attachment to the story.

Call my cynical but I think she was doing it for the promotional bucks.

Heidi said...

Kate says that this is normal for their children. They are fine. This is all they know.
What is going to happen to them when the show is no longer on? Because that day will come. No show lasts forever. Those kids are the most recognizable children on the planet. They will never be able to escape their notoriety. Ever! How normal is it to have absolute strangers know you by name and know all about your life?
It isn't Kate.
They will never be able to escape their Jon and Kate plus 8 fate. Ever!

When they are grown they will have to be very leery of people. Who is out for the (hopefully) money they made? Who is out to cash in on their celebrity? Is this my friend/wife/husband? Or just a hanger on?
That is not normal.

Everyone has bumps in the road of life. How many of them will wonder if those bumps will be shown in magazines and on entertainment shows?
That is not normal.

Their lives have been mapped out forever. They will become Trivial Pursuit answers. They will be the Daily Double question on Jeopardy.
That is not normal.

No matter what they do in their lives from now on, it will not matter. Alexis could find the cure for cancer but she will always be a Gosselin 8 kid.

That is not normal and it is very sad.

KiSSy said...

I'm not finding anything about a Walmart clothing line in any search that I do. Can somebody tell me how that news came about? Link, video...?

Mama Kate said...

Very well said, and I have often thought that myself - that this is oddly similar to the Truman Show. Even though Truman had no idea whatsoever until he was grown up that he was being taped literally since he was in-utero, these kids really have no idea, either. Kate says "Well, they have grown UP with the cameras! They LOVE the cameramen!" Well, really - they don't know other kids DON'T have that in their lives. I have seen more than one of the kids on the show walking around with a stick pretending it is a boom microphone. They literally are ingrained to think that the life they lead is normal, under the hot lights and microphones and chanting "ON THIS EPISODE OF JON AND KATE PLUS EIGHT!". And it isn't normal. What will happen when the lights dim, the mikes turn off, the friendly camera crew disappears? What will happen to their reality? It is ironic that the reality that they know is far, far from anything realistic.

I just pray that these children can find some semblance of normalcy at some point in their lives... I just wonder what the effects of having one's own reality turned into other people's entertainment really will be. God bless the Gosselin kids...

Shari said...

Kate & the kids doing a promo for Night At The Museum 2? Seems to me it would have been more appropriate for them to do one for Angels & Demons .....

chrissie said...

Well, if Gloria Allred can't do anything, then maybe a PA lawyer can. There are child labor laws here in the state of PA. Granted, I do not know how they classify filming a "reality" show as "work". I would assume that it is a lot of work for six 5 yr olds and two 8 yr olds. Maybe someone should look into this. J & K have been everywhere, not just PA. They've been on Oprah numerous times. Dr. Phil "loves" Kate. :( I would think Nadya Suleman and the scandals of both J & K, there would be some kind of investigation into whether these children are being exploited for monetary gain. In my opinion, they are.

I found this on a PA child labor law website. I found it interesting.

The Department of Labor and Industry issues a Special Performance Permit for the employment of minors seven (7) to eighteen (18) years of age. This permit is for theatrical productions, musical recitals or concerts, entertainment acts, modeling, radio, television, motion picture making, or in other similar forms or media of entertainment to be performed in Pennsylvania. Children younger than seven (7) may be issued this permit to work in film or video productions, but not still photography.

If the performance or rehearsals will require any absence from school, there is a section on this permit that requires the signature of the building principal and work permit issuing officer. Arrangements have to be made to ensure that participating in the performances will not interfere with the student’s academic progress. To obtain an application for this permit, or for additional information, contact the Department of Labor and Industry at 1-800-932-0665.

I am guessing Mady and Cara have permits? I can't see any difference when filming a reality show. These kids are still "working" regardless of what they are filming. :(

Shari said...

Patrice said: Octomom has a documented background of neglect.
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So does Kate .... it's called Seasons 2, 3, & 4.

KiSSy said...

Something to ponder:

Most true celebrities protect their privacy and that of their children.

Take for instance Julia Roberts. One of the most famous celebrities of our time. But how much do we really know about her?

What is her husband's name?

How many children? What are their names?

Where do they live? What kind of car do they drive?

On and on we could ask these types of questions and not really know the answer.

I don't think society knows how to deal with the type of "in your face reality" that the Gosselins are now using as their claim to fame. It's quite unprecedented and the fallout from living so much in the public eye, no secrets and no shame, will likely be devastating to these children.

I'm starting to see indications of them becoming characters in their own lives. Portrayed one way in front of the camera, but living differently off camera. That is NOT reality.

Lisbeth said...

I admit, I hadn't considered the analogy between The Truman Show and J&K plus 8....very well done. Their personalities have been profoundly shaped by their experience on this show (Mady, imo, has used anger and temper to ensure that she is not filmed much...remember Hawaii..and she wasn't along for the duck feeding?) While at this point is is only conjecture about the amount of time the kids spend in front of the cameras, any time where their life at home, their private life, is filmed and broadcast to the world is too much. While J&K may be the focus here, I hope we are standing up for all of the Truman shows out there....J&K, Table for 12, Supernanny, Dr.Phil etc.

canadianmom said...

I've been lurking for a while and this is my first post. I would like to relate a little story. Bear with me, the moral of the story is relevant.

There once was a little puppy. Let's call him Tuppy. Tuppy had a terrible owner. From the day he was born he was locked in a cage. He was given food and water and nothing else. He was kept in this cage 24/7. A couple of years later the Humane Scoiety shows up to rescue Tuppy. They open the door to set him free. The only problem is that Tuppy does not want to leave the cage. It is all he has ever known. He does not know any different. But just because he won't leave does not make it right that he was placed in the cage in the first place.

Kate has said that the cameras are not affecting her children. They are used to the cameras and they don't know any different. But that does not make it right that the cameras were there in the first place.

lifeoriley said...

I agree that these kids are living in a sort of real life "Truman Show." I can't imagine that they aren't going to be in for a rude awakening or epiphany some day when they realize just how NOT normal their lives are. Just because you are used to something or it's "normal" for you doesn't make it right.
Re: Mother of two....
I agree with your comments about their being a hint of racism in the Kate/Octomom comparison. I always thought that because Kate is "Christian", white, blonde, semi-attractive and "married" that the public has cut her a lot of slack. She also has a very American, girl-next-door name--"Kate." As opposed to the more ethnic-looking, exotically-named "Nadya."
Also, you can bet your last dime that Kate will use financial control over these kids as they get older and rebel. Do what Kate wants or you're cut off monetarily. She'll also use guilt and martyrdom as a means of control--"I did this ALL for YOU! How DARE you judge me! I did the best I could with all you kids!" You get the idea...
Those poor kids--they are in for a lot of angst and confusion--not to mention resentment for what their parents did to them.

maria said...

KISSy,

I don't even LIKE Julia Roberts, but I can get her address off the internet from the paps, I know who her husband is (Danny Moder) and I know she has 3 kids and I know their horrid names. We know most everything about every celebrity these days.

idontwantyourhair, I don't think Kate ever said that Despereaux was her fave book while on bedrest. It wasn't even written yet, correct? She was handing out copies of a music CD saying it was her favorite thing to LISTEN to while on bedrest. The only way I saw her pushing Despereaux was reading the book to the kids, having the kids all carrying a plushy from the movie, and I think maybe she handed out some Despereaux coloring books at the hospital.

Are they SERIOUSLY considering doing a movie on Jon and Kate? Why do it when we have the footage of their daily lives available for viewing on DVD? Who needs a movie when you have the real thing? Ridiculous. But you watch. If they make that movie, the loyal supporters will all watch it.

At Last said...

Those were embryos you saw on that ultrasound monitor. Not lotto balls.

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Pamela this is the best statement ever made about the Gosselins. It should be on every headline in the media. SERIOUSLY!

At Last said...

Karma, your post should stand alone. Too funny!

SadMansWife said...

Many have speculated about Kate's narcissistic behavior and how that will impact her children. I can shed some light on that because my husband was raised by a highly narcissistic mother. And he -- and we -- continue to suffer for it decades after leaving the nest.

Like Kate, my MIL prefers things to people. She can't envision any way but her way. And -- oh yeah -- memories (in photos, old toys, etc) are very important to her. Problem is, the memories don't represent the picture-perfect life she thinks she created.

My husband is very passive-aggressive and conflicted. In his house, you did everything Mom's way and for Mom's comfort and convenience. That has effected his ability to negotiate the usual issues of marriage. He either rebels against being asked to do something or feels desolate because he let me down. It's a horrible way to live and it impacts his work life, too.

My relationship with the MIL is difficult, too. She has told me how to mop a floor "right," how to paint a cabinet "right" and what I "want" to eat for dinner. At age 40! The first time she met our 3-month-old son, she came down with a non-existent "cold" and begged off holding him.


She is the star of every family photo and will talk on and on about how beautiful and slender she was as a young woman. Her favorite picture is a drawing an art student did of her in her prime.

Like all narcissists, MIL can't grasp that other people-- even children -- have other preferences, choices or desires. Their children exist to make them look good (as accessories) or feel good (by telling them what they want to hear and acting like they want them to act).

I've already seen signs of how this is impacting the Gosselin children. At their young ages they have migraines, oppositional personality traits, and use vomiting as an emotional response. They have already learned that pleasing Mommy -- as opposed to experiencing childhood -- must be their first priority. They have learned that Mommy "loves" them clean and pretty. And that "love" is a poor imitation of a healthy mother's unconditional love for her child.

It wasn't until I had my own children that I realized what my husband experienced as son to this type of mother. Understand: There is absolutely no free choice with a narcissistic parent. There is no "what's right (emotionally or otherwise) for the child." It's all about what's right for Mom and what Mom needs emotionally from her children.

From what I've seen, most narcissists are married to an enabler who keeps assuring them they're the perfect mother and the most beautiful woman. The fairy tale must never end.

Here's how it turned out for my MIL. One son is in Europe, the other in a different time zone. She lives alone, widowed, in the "perfect" home she created for herself. She doesn't visit us and my husband has no desire to visit her after years of either being told not to visit or having his parents cancel trips to our home at the last minute. When she had a heart attack, my husband went to help; his brother stayed away.

She lives surrounded by her "memories" -- photos, old letters, clothes she wore as a young career woman and boxes upon boxes of other junk that she is "documenting" for some future generation she hasn't even bothered to get to know.

We speak by phone occasionally. The calls are always completely one-sided, with her talking and talking about how "busy" she is and never asking her grandchildren what sport they like or how they're doing in school or anything else that might help her know them.

She has plenty of money; her idea of presents is to give you something from her enormous stash of possessions.

When I see Kate, I think of my MIL.

Tammy H. said...

I do hope the kids see how we have tried to help them. Tons of us have wrote Kate's sponsors, made calls to PA DHS, made petitions etc. all for the sake of those precious kids!! They will see how some of the world has tried to save them from their monster mother. She's almost a Mommy Dearest!
Somehow there has to be some laws concerning the money the 8 children have made and who is to govern it until they are 18. I seriously doubt Kate has a bank account for the kids with their earnings in it. She considers it all hers. I doubt she even has Jon's name on it. If TLC & Figure 8 really cared about the kids-they would of had that taken care of the 1st season and we wouldn't have to worry that when the kids turn 18 that they will be broke. I mean, for Pete's sake, on 1 of the shows last season, her and Jon were talking about when the 'tups turned 16 and getting them a car, Kate's response was "let them get a job and buy 1"...WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN DOING THE SINCE BIRTH, KATE???
Just like we all have been saying for forever is Karma is a BI___!!! And one day it would come back on Kate and now it is happening!
Her followers say were jealous and that's why we comment and say bad things about KON...and I hope now the world sees what we have been saying since this blog opened...and all we wanted was protection for the children and for them to quit being exploited.
The real "reality" is starting to surface and its worse than we thought. I just hope someone steps in for those kids and they do grow up not jaded from their 1st 5 years living.

KatesNoMom said...

Pamela said:

Those were embryos you saw on that ultrasound monitor. Not lotto balls.
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QUOTE OF THE CENTURY!! If it weren't so unbelievably SAD, I think it would make a great t-shirt slogan, or embrodiered on a pillow!

48andFab said...

The parents will never end the madness because K8 doesn't think she's wrong. In her deluded way she thinks she's doing all this for the kids and that they couldn't afford to live any other way. I was channel surfing last night and they were being discussed on INSIDER. It's reported that they're worth in the six-figures, possibly seven and that they get $75K per show. Wow! At 41 shows per season (no mystery here why the cameras are always on) that's almost $3.1 million per season! And, get this because this is SO bizarro and makes you wonder what this world is coming to - there are plans for a book about them and...try to hold down your breakfast...a TV MOVIE!! Tonight (Tuesday) again on Insider, there are supposed to be former crew members talking about how it really is behind the scenes. I still can't help but wonder if this isn't some kind of set up. K8 was shown saying "We can never go back." Hmm, why? Other REAL celebrities have found that public life was unhealthy for them and faded into the private sector, with actual real jobs.

jerricabenton said...

Karma,

Your fable was brilliant! Every last bit was pure genius, and I especially loved:

"Silence, except for the humming of the cheap lighting and the distant smack of an inflated pop corn bag, blanketed the oddly dressed d-listers, one of the Coreys pretended to text someone from a darkened i-phone."

And Jon's informercial - LORDY BE it was perfect. He's probably reading this right now, so watch for it in a month or two. :)

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

Kate's next "advice" book should be entitled: "Moms: Making Multiples For Money". She could have chapters such as: Where to Find a Fertility Doctor Willing to Throw Ethics to the Wind; How to Get Around the Child Labor Laws in Your State; My Secret Buzzwords to Convince People Your're Poor, and Even a Christian!; With-Holding Food and Treats to Get Your Children to Perform; How to Most Effectively Maime the English Language; Keeping Your Husband Under Control; Confidentiality Contracts: Make Sure You Get Your Brother to Sign One.

Beth said...

I've been a lurker for a while and now feel the urge to speak.

It has been incredibly sad for me to see the downfall of Jon and Kate Plus 8. Like most, I enjoyed watching the show at the beginning because they were a family at that time, trying to get by as best they could.

Then the freebies started and I got tired of watching the free trips, the free clothes, the free this and that which is now the show. It is not enjoyable to watch anymore so I've stopped.

I now feel very sorry for the kids as their lives are not normal. Just seeing the pictures of their "birthday party," with cameras and boom mikes all around made me sad. It is wrong and it should stop.

I grew up with a narcissistic mother, as others have done. It was very difficult but I broke free of the trap and I am now living my own life free of my mother's behavior.

What made me break free was the day I noticed that my anger at my mother was affecting my children. On that day, I vowed that it would stop and it has.

This is what concerns me the most about the show...how it is affecting THE CHILDREN! As their parents, Jon and Kate should be showing them their love and creating a safe environment at home where the children can discover their individual talents and believe in themselves. How can this happen when there are cameras and boom mikes all around them, all the time?

Just this past Sunday, I found a flyer at my church about Mother Teresa. In it, I found this quote, which I think sums up the entire problem with Jon and Kate Plus 8 and all the other "reality" shows that now make up the majority of television. The quote is:

"Do we know the poor in our own homes? Sometimes people can hunger for more than bread. It is possible that our children, our husband, our wife, do not hunger for bread, do not need clothes, do not lack a house. But are we equally sure that none of them feels alone, abandoned, neglected, needing some affection? That, too, is poverty." -Mother Teresa

Focus on the family! Forget the fame and fortune! What is most important is love, and that has been forgotten as Jon and Kate Plus 8 has been allowed to go on.

Please cancel the show! The insanity must stop!

SaNdY said...

KiSSy said...
I'm not finding anything about a Walmart clothing line in any search that I do. Can somebody tell me how that news came about? Link, video...?
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I believe Kate announced on the Rachel Ray show (a week or 2 ago) that she is partnering with Healthtex in helping to design a line of kid's clothes that will be offered at Walmart

delilahboyd said...

Here's what I keep worrying about: the day will come when the Gosselin kids have to stand in line with everyone else and not get special treatment;
someone will say NO to them; the famous random "meltdowns" (as Kate calls them) will result in school punishment or worse (like possible legal charges)
4. the kids finally asking, "What happened to all of the money we earned, Mom & Dad?"

Truly sad for the kids.

Teryn said...

Shari said...
Patrice said: Octomom has a documented background of neglect.
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So does Kate .... it's called Seasons 2, 3, & 4.

5/19/2009 6:14 AM


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahh

LOL LOL LOL

Teryn said...

KiSSy said...
I'm not finding anything about a Walmart clothing line in any search that I do. Can somebody tell me how that news came about? Link, video...?

5/19/2009 5:44 AM



Kate announced it when she was the Rachel Ray show, and gave the audience free Walmart loot and a child's outfit she "designed".

slowontheuptake said...

in response to KARMA

That was HYSTERICAL (and sad at the same time)!

Someone needs to do a parody sketch of your story.

Thanks for the laugh!!!

organizedblogroll said...

TLC: Fast Forward 10 years:

"Growing Up Gosselin"

Margokata said...

Jodi and Kevin's daily show is running again. Two minutes of nothing as far as I am concerned.They just repeat the same thing. You would think if they went to all this trouble they would have more information. This film is shown as if everyday they have new nuggets of wisdom but it obviously was shot in one whole segment last week and being shown this way to increase the video company's revenues also. Everyone profits off those kids these days, don't they? I also think the TLC pix of the party in which J&K were kissing Hannah was staged in response to everyone noticing how much she favors Hannah.They are laughing at us because we are stupid enough to let them.

My5blessings said...

Patrice said: Octomom has a documented background of neglect.
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Shari wrote:
So does Kate .... it's called Seasons 2, 3, & 4.

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THANK YOU!!! No kidding, arm snatching alone is enough for me.

My *personal* opinion is if you cannot put your hands on adults, you shouldn't be able to put your hands on children.
Well, unless they can hit you back! Hmmmmmmm Wonder how that would go down?
After all, turn about is fair play, right?

There's no difference between Kate and Nadya in regard to the child exploitation. Well, except for to date, Kate is better at it.
Disgusting..............

My5blessings said...

Fostermom wrote:
I was thinking how true the saying is about life imitating art and vice versa. Remember "The Truman Show" — a movie more ahead of it's time than we realized when it was released in 1998? Although it may not seem like it at first glance, I think that Jon & Kate Plus 8 is not unlike that movie in one critical — and sad — way.
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So funny you write this. I said and thought the same thing on this Blog. You write much better than I do, however. (grins)

When I think of these shows, I think of him when he finally realizes how used and abused he was by those who were suppose to love and protect him.

His had a happy ending with his exit of the show.... I don't see their lives that way.
Emotional scars are hard if not impossible to rid.

Amy Jo said...

Grandee3 I take it that Kate will be coming to New Orleans in the future -- you'll have to let us know what happens. It would be nice to see someone on our side or the side of these children take her down a notch or two. Bring her back to the Real World!

Let us know how it goes.
Thx

momRNto6 said...

The revised California Coogan Law, from a Minor Consideration.

Revised Coogan Law which came into effect in the year 2000, thanks again to the efforts of A Minor Consideration's members, the combined theatrical unions, and with the full support of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. The vote was unanimous and the Bill was promptly signed by the Governor. The main features of the Bill are these:

1. Children employed in the broadly defined entertainment industry now own the money they earn. Their income is their individual property.
2. All children must have a current State-Issued work permit.
3. A blocked Coogan Account must be in place for each child who works and a portion of their income, 15%, must be saved until the age of majority.

I have been thinking about this all morning. Don't all children involved in reality shows deserve this?

What is involved in making this law federal? Is is too hard and too much?

I have a feeling the networks would throw tons of money at stopping such a law.

Lurker said...

Interesting local piece.
http://www.pennlive.com/hershey/

DirtyDisher said...

The Truman Show was a horror show to me. It played on particular fears I have and was much more frightening than a Steven King based film. And I am a grandma, not a five year old. Or a nine year old girl. I can not imagine what the G kids go through or how it will affect them. Why doesn't their own mother care? Why?

Sue said...

There is a new interview from Aunt Jody and Uncle Kevin on Radaronline.

AngryMom said...

Great post and insight fostersmom.

I know this is off the subject of the post but I just watched the new Kevin and Jodi video on Radar online. Wow, they themselves have confirmed the contract of Kate giving Jon permission to lead his own separate life as long as he "shows up" for filming. First, the one who has to "show up" is Kate since she is the one always away from home. Second, this woman is truly and utterly a piece of work. I hope Jon buries that B&t#h. If he doesn't than he is a total fool, she's has already tried to bury him. This is my msg to Jon...grow a pair, get rid of that liar you are married to, protect you children and sell your story. I'd buy it and I'm fairly certain you would make more than enough to sustain you for quite sometime. Oh and sue for sole custody, child support and alimony. Take her to the cleaners. Sorry for the rant, I am just so disgusted.

DollyFinn said...

Hey all, I just saw a preview of Entertainment Tonight and in the preview it said that there was a new J&K+8 scandal about to break because the nanny is about to come forward. They will be discussing it tonight- Monday 5/19. So, I thought that I would share.

overwithKON said...

I think this post is extremly correct, and I have often thought of the look on Jim Carey's face in the movie when he realizes that his whole life is a farce, and just for the enjoyment of other people. When I first saw that movie I was very moved, because as a kid I sometimes thought that during some of the really hard things I went through that maybe I was just a movie and that I could wake up one day and be done with this life. Ha, how true that is for these 8 kids. How aweful. I was completly off and it was just a figure of my imagination.

Anyway, someone mentioned last week about maybe a celebrity(a real one) getting ahold of this cause and going public with it, and making a real differance. How about Jim Carey? He would be great! I have watched most of his movies and although he is alot out there, I think there is alot to him, and in him. He has obviously made the movie The Truman Show, and he has done quite a few others about thinking about how the whole world is affected by you. Bruce Almighty is another of my favorites, this one is the story of Kate actually, where she thinks she is God, but Bruce actually finds out that he is not, and would not be good at it! LOL! Where as Kate cannot see past her own shadow.

I have no idea how to bring anything to the attention of any celebrity, but I know that a little brainstorming here can do alot. Any ideas? Could someone put together some sort of short movie with clips maybe showing the range that these kids are going through and maybe we can find some sort of outlet to get it to Jim Carey, or someone else who might care?

I know that I have made alot of snarky comments about Kate and Jon, but I really do care about these kids, and cannot imagine the hurt they are in now let alone for the rest of their lives.

susan said...

"Those were embryos you saw on that ultrasound monitor. Not lotto balls."

By far, the best line ever posted on this site! Bravo!

HappyMomToThree said...

SadMansWife:

Excellent post. TLC should take heed from your story as to how much of a hand they have in damaging the Gosselin children by allowing this "show" to continue. Kate clearly cannot see beyond herself and her own needs. Someone needs to step in and say "no."

You know, it is amazing what some will do for money just to get "things." Those "things" can be a very large house down to fine jewelry. Believe me, "things" mean nothing in the long run.

Five years ago, we lost our home and all our belongings to a fire. We were blessed, however, in that we were all safe.

The next day, my good friends garage was filled to the max with donated clothing, toys, etc. Amazing. I could not believe the out pouring of love.

We have since rebuilt and now live in a larger, much more modern house. Yet, I would give anything to have our old, much smaller house back. Most of the time, newer and better do not translate to the best.

For me, the "things" I miss most, are my kids' art projects and photos. Everything else was just "stuff."

Someday, Kate will be alone in her big house with her "things." Sad.

Jana said...

SadMan'sWife -- thank you for sharing your own personal insight into a narcisstic personality -- which I also what I think Kate has.

While I often wish that Kate would have some moment of clarity, or that the world would come tumbling down on her and she'd realize all the poor choices she's made and repent -- I have come to accept that particular scenario will never occur. She lives in her own reality and is simply unable to see any other vision than her own. As you said, in her world, she is always right; the feelings and needs of others don't even exist.

The best the children can hope for is to simply endure until old enough to get away, but their emotional growth has been stunted. I feel for your husband, and I hope that he has as much happiness in his life now (with you and your children together) as possible. Thank goodness for him that he's found someone who is capable of real love for him! That's what I wish for all the Gosselin children - endure until you can escape.

While I still hold TLC responsible for parading this charade in front of the American public, the truth is Kate was determined to have HOM, and to market them to her benefit. If TLC hadn't picked up the show, she would have shopped them around until some network or another did; or she would have created a traveling road show and dragged the kids around in a donated bus to perform for strangers.

I think the quality of the childrens' lives was predetermined when they were born to Kate - TV show or not. The reason Kate selected Jon is exactly because he's kind, yet weak. He might snipe back, but ultimately he gives in and lets her have her way. She despises him for his weakness, but a stronger-minded man would never have lasted long in a relationship with her.

(That's why I'm wondering what the real deal is with Steve Neild -- he doesn't seem like the type to kowtow to a woman. However, if they are or have crossed the line from friendship into extra-marital activity, it could still be in the "honeymoon" phase, where Kate is charming and lovey dovey, as she was with Jon)

Jana said...

DollyFinn said...

Hey all, I just saw a preview of Entertainment Tonight and in the preview it said that there was a new J&K+8 scandal about to break because the nanny is about to come forward. They will be discussing it tonight- Monday 5/19. So, I thought that I would share.
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Holy scandals Batman! I wonder which nanny?

Jana said...

Teryn said...

KiSSy said...
I'm not finding anything about a Walmart clothing line in any search that I do. Can somebody tell me how that news came about? Link, video...?

5/19/2009 5:44 AM



Kate announced it when she was the Rachel Ray show, and gave the audience free Walmart loot and a child's outfit she "designed".
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Yet another reason I won't be shopping at Wal-Mart.

Target - don't you dare even think about hiring Kate as one of your designers!

krmelk said...

Has anyone seen the new promos for their upcoming season premier? Jon discusses the hardships of being a public figure, how everywhere he goes he's not Jon, but "Jon and Kate plus 8."

I wonder why Jon can even admit this and not realize that his children are going through the exact same thing.

=^..^= said...

"Those were embryos you saw on that ultrasound monitor. Not lotto balls."

LMAO!! there is so much funny material right here on this board, maybe we should gather them all up and email them to k8 so she can finally update her "laughter" section on her website.

Shari said...

Knowing Entertainment Tonight and their infamous way of teasing 'nothing' stories, here's how it will probably go:

(Mary Hart's most dramatic voice) "Real or Rumor ..... is one of Jon & Kate Gosselins nannies coming forward with a juicy insider's scoop?" .... (Flash to picture of nanny with the Gosselin children) .... "She wouldn't return our calls so we'll call that a rumor for now .... Be sure and tune in tomorrow night when we get to the bottom of Kate's infamous hairstyle .... will Hannah finally admit to taking her pre-k scissors to her mom's head?" (Switch to Mark Steines) "We'll be on the edge of our seats Mary. Thanks!"

silimom said...

I'm trying hard to take a break from this but I did just see Jodi and Kevin's new video. First off, great job! Thank you for keeping the focus on the kids and for urging those who can to get a law passed.
I urge the two of you to start the ball rolling in that regard, if you can. It would be an incredible legacy to leave to your nieces and nephews. Something tangible that they can look to and say "Even during that crazy time, someone cared about what was happening to us and wanted to make it better." I wish your parents would come forward and file a petition with the court to assert grandparental rights. The kids need family, more than ever right now.

Someone in the blog comments said that Jodi and Kevin "confirmed" the contract. I want to point out something, because I think it is important. Jodi specifically stated that the information on the contract and in their interviews is based on Jon's testimony only. At no point did they claim to have actually seen this contract.

Now, does that mean I don't think it exists? No. I do actually think Kate came to Jon and that it went down like Jon told them it did. I think that explains a lot of Jon's recent behavior - explains, not excuses.

Kevin and Jodi have always appeared to be straight up, solid, good, caring people with good heads on their shoulders. I am sure that if you spoke with people that know them, they probably are well regarded by their friends, family and neighbors. I see no reason to question their motives or their information. They have proved trustworthy, both in how they have conducted themselves in the past as regards the show and now, during this current scandal.

Thank you for speaking up for the children. Thank you for making sure that with all this media attention the important issue - what's happening to the kids - isn't lost.

marsneeze said...

I'm not sure Katie is in this just for the money... that is really a nice benefit for her, but the real reason is in her Narcissistic mind is the celebrity status it brings.

Funny how she must not be listening or reading how much people are sick of her. She is probably livid with Kevin and Jodie for their "truthful".
comments.

Katie wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in the A$$.

FeyIndigoWolf said...

I've thought of that comparison before. What's sad is that even if the show is absolutely done for good now, who's to say the kids won't be affected by it later in life? No doubt there will be reruns and the kids' contemporaries will recognize them, quite possibly making fun of them for things they could not have helped. It's just very unfortunate. Especially when they already have to deal with such a drama queen of a mother to begin with.

AngryMom said...

Silimom, I didn't mean for my "contract" comment to be taken quite so literally. I'm assuming there is some definate truth to this allegation since Kevin and Jodi brought it up in their interview. When I initially heard the "rumor" I regarded it with a grain of salt but after hearing Kevin and Jodi confirm their knowledge of it too I felt there might be some truth to it. I also don't think there is an actual paper contract, I would hope Kate wouldn't be that stupid. I'm assuming it was an untraceable verbal agreement between Jon and Kate.

I wish Radar Online would just play the entire interview with Kevin and Jodi. This tidbit of information every couple of days is ridiculous and makes me question if there is something more to the added hype. IMHO it is going to affect the credibility of Kevin and Jodi, not that I question their intentions but it just makes it appear like the interview was for revenge and not the best interest of the children.

Amy said...

You summed up my fears for these precious kids precisely. Well done!

Things that make you go Hmm said...

Great comparison. I have often thought of The Truman Show in relation to the Gosselins. As you pointed out, the Gosselin children are living their lives like Truman. Although they know the cameras are there, they are too young to fully understand the implications of their situation. They have lost the innocence of their childhood forever, privacy invaded and televised for the world to see. As most if not all of us realize, the emotional ramifications on the childrens' well being will be evident throughout their lives. Breaks my heart.

Kathryn said...

Wow!!! Jana, you hit the nail exactly on the head when you described Kate.
TV show or no TV show, kids or no kids, she was hard-wired at birth to be the person we see today.

mommyo3 said...

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!

My husband and I have been making this comparison for awhile now, and I think it's a good and fitting one. While the kids can see the cameras, it's still a skewed reality that they know as normal. I can't help but wonder if Mady and Cara have figured this out from talking to kids at school, and that's why we don't see them as much.

My heart breaks for these kids, and I wonder how they'll ever be able to form authentic relationships. I doubt any of us made friends in our later elementary and teen years based on our preschool personas, simply because while we carry lifelong traits as people, we have the freedom to change ourselves as we get older and become more self-aware. Not only are these children being robbed of truly being able to figure out their world for themselves and find out who they are beyond the labels their parents and TLC give them, this over-exposure and exploitation assures them great difficulty in others seeing them as real people.

Think about when you met your best friend or your spouse. Those first days are filled with all of that "get-to-know-you" stuff in which you slowly fill the other person in on details of your past as you become more comfortable in trusting that person with the intimate details of who you are. But these children cannot form that authentic trust because their most intimate moments, embarrassing moments, and secrets have already been broadcast for all to see. They will hold no layers because they've already been exposed.

Some people have alluded to the speculation that Mady and Cara have no real friends. How could they? Everyone's already seen their lives in action for years now--there's no mystery to these girls. I'm sure they get made fun of, and who would allow their child to spend time at the KONpound? If the Gosselins have no privacy, neither would their friends. And now the tups will start full-time school and I'm sure have the same sad story.

It makes me so sad for them and so angry at the adults who have allowed this to happen to innocent children. If any of you followers of this blog are lawyers or have access to sound legal info, can you please give us a posting of what we can do? Moderators--you're awesome! Thank you! If there's any way we could have a post dedicated just to addresses, phone numbers, e-mails, and appropriate courses of action we could all take, that would be great. (I know some have provided these in the past as comments, but a seperate post with all info together would be so helpful.) If we all act together, we can have quite a voice! Let's let these kids know we care about them!!!

Erin said...

Part 3 of the Radar Online has just been posted - regarding the contract between jon & hate:

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/05/exclusive-new-interview-jon-kates-secret-marriage-contract

GRY said...

I'm so done with all of this mess and the show. When TLC showed a rerun of an old episode last night I thought the kids were so cute, then Kate and Jon walked into the room(this was back in their first home) and everything changed.

If you know what to look for all the signs of the modern Kate are there in the first season but not as developed. Jon was a bit more of a man instead of a doormat and things looked "normal" for the most part.

Now I can't see the kids or that show in nearly as objective manner as I used to.

The fact that TLC is milking it for all it's worth shows me the value system of the media has completely collapsed. Ruthless exploitation of the product before it's "due date" runs out is considered normal and desirable.

I hope some form of boycott will work but I don't expect results in the short term. Unfortunately other networks have also taken notice and you can bet dysfunctional family life will be on the viewing schedules for next season.

I hate to boycott Discovery as well but they're all part of the same conglomerate so I'll have to do without Mythbusters, at least till J&K are off the air.

Anonymous said...

I've been thinking about that a lot, too, Carolina. Wasn't there another movie like that w/ Matthew McConaughey? Do you think that's what the producers were setting up all along? Sort of a TV/life experiment? I wonder...

I think Kate needs some help, if there is anyone she will listen to. I can't believe she said that she doesn't want to be a celebrity, and the next day she's on the cover of People! And how she was trying to portray herself as a victim in that mag. Oh, poor me, PLEASE!

You know, my parents raised 7 kids w/o state assistance or any help at all, just a good old fashioned JOB. We didn't have a million dollar home, or 5 star vacations, but at least we all turned out just fine. I hope this fiasco stops and everyone (the adults) come to their senses before the kids get any older.

Dallas Rose said...

One thing that's always struck me about how they are being raised (besides the blatant lack of privacy every kid should have)is how they are growing up thinking their every move needs to be taped. Think about that in terms of how naturally self-centered kids are, anyway. How are they going to function without that constant attention?

kaydee said...

Loved the show early on, & still come back on occasion because I hear that they've moved (again) or whatever. Started noticing a year or so ago that everything did seem to be 'about Kate'. She acts jealous and deprived.. that "Jon got to do everything growing up... I didn't get to do anything".

It starts to look as tho she's spending her adulthood making up for feeling 'less than' during her own growing up. It's more about 'her' ; her kids do get to 'do a lot' ... more so than most young children I know. But no child HAS to do 'everything'.

Mady and Cara were younger than the tups are now and the responsibilities they had watching over the little ones, helping them use their potties, etc. Wonder if they'll ever make up for the loss of attention.

Jon appears to 'be over' wanting this to go on; who could blame him? Hope he can stand up for himself and the kids.

Also, the aunt and uncle speaking up, hoping for Kate to expend more effort on family than fame speaks volumes. I can't believe J & K haven't spoken to them in a year! But do recall the venomous oral attack on Aunt Jodie for letting the kids 'have gum' in that episode. How humiliating!

In the 'museum' show this week when the little ones were painting those pictures, I felt sorry for the kids. Aidan was so fearful about getting a dot of paint on him, and mentioned to the instructor that "Mommy doesn't allow it", when she asked him something. That's fear... so sad... that they can't be kids. Kids get dirty. They get washed. They're kids!

I feel mostly sadness for those kids.

ntvnat said...

I'd love (love, love, love, L-O-V-E love!) to see Jon grow some balls, divorce Kate (let's face it, it's BETTER for the kids this way) and get a court order *preventing* them from doing the show. That leaves Kate on her own MINUS her 8 expolited faces and her claim to fame, left to fend on her own. CAN she become a talk show host like she wants w/out her human shields in front of her? My answer is a HELL NO! I wonder if Keight realizes this??????

Sunshine Coco said...

I could not agree more! This show is so FAKE! I mean, I was flipping through the channels and came across the TLC ad for the upcoming J&K+8 season opener..."Where Jon & Kate confront one another for the first time"...my Lord that has such a fake ring to it!! Way to play into the drama- and if history serves, they won't address it at all. Other than to say, look at how horrible and judgmental these people are! Why don't they leave us alone?! Well, not leave us alone, alone - we still want their money, adoration and our fake celebrity from it- we just don't want any of the bad press or scrutiny. That's all! You know, my cake - 8 layer cake - and eat it too!!

Bah! They need to go away!! Child protection services needs to work on the laws in PA - the circus comparison was perfect- they are all just trained little animals that Hate marches out to make perform. I do not understand why people think she is such a wonderful mom- all she had was a strong uterus that was able to withstand a litter of children.

Heidi said...

New US weekly online now.

Kate Gosselin Mom to Monster.

Fires 40 people in 3 months, goes out to dinner while son is in ER, sick obsession with money, freebies, and her appearance.
She should have never ever ever talked badly about journalists and the paps. Stupid Stupid Stupid!

Steph said...

Chrissie said:
There are child labor laws here in the state of PA. Granted, I do not know how they classify filming a "reality" show as "work". I would assume that it is a lot of work for six 5 yr olds and two 8 yr olds. Maybe someone should look into this. J & K have been everywhere, not just PA. They've been on Oprah numerous times. Dr. Phil "loves" Kate. :( I would think Nadya Suleman and the scandals of both J & K, there would be some kind of investigation into whether these children are being exploited for monetary gain.Unfortunately Chrissie, PA doesn't have any labor laws that govern the Gosselin children in the entertainment industry. Nadya Suleman lives in CA where there are very stringent laws protecting her children if they 'work'. However, the thinking about her plans are that she's planning to 'broadcast' via the internet and there may be no laws in CA yet to cover children in that situation.

The reason people are so upset about the exploitation of the Gosselin children is because there are NO laws in PA that protect them. No laws that say any part of their earnings must be saved til they reach a legal age, nor how many hours they work a day, educational provisions, supervision on the set, work conditions, etc. Animals in tv in PA have more protections than do the Gosselin children.

We all wish someone well known would take up the cause to protect all children from exploitation in any form of entertainment, but have so far been unsuccessful. To the best of my knowledge Paul Petersen's organization is the only one involved (he's been successful in many cases) and he has letters he's written posted on his website that you can read - some even to Jon and Kate.
www.minorcon.org Look under the tab at the top of the page that says: 'contents'.

Karma said...

For the movie version I'm thinking Tina Youthers and William Hung. The suleman babies can rotate through as the Gosselin babies. (just like mary kate and ashley!)

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Is this the article you are making reference to?

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/cover-story-kate-gosselin-fired-40-staffers-in-3-months-2009205

COVER STORY: Kate Gosselin Fired 40 Staffers in 3 Months
Wednesday May 20, 2009


INFphoto.com CelebNews@Usmagazine.com! - Kate Gosselin Fired 40 Staffers in 3 Months ShareThisThe new issue of Us Weekly reports that Jon & Kate mom Kate Gosselin -- known for being short with her husband, Jon Gosselin -- is even more combative with her family and employees.

Look back at photos of Jon and Kate through the years.

Baby nurse Angela Krall, who watched the sextuplets as infants for more than a year, tells Us that the short-fused Kate fired 40 nurses and nurse's aides in the three months before she was hired.

A 2005 Associated Press story reported that a pre-TV Gosselin had petitioned the state to extend payments for Krall, whose fees were first paid by Medicaid (Jon was unemployed; Medicaid provides limited assistance to premature babies).

"Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births," the AP reported.

See photos of reality star love gone bad.

While Kate praised Krall in the same story, Krall reveals that Kate posted "demeaning" signs in every room detailing rules, and fired one woman on the spot for washing her hands in the kitchen instead of the bathroom. "Kate flipped," says Krall. "She thought it was cross-contamination."

Check out more celebs caught cheating.

That level of perfectionism also tore her apart from her father, Kenton Kreider, a pastor, after he gave her cribs donated by his parishioners.

"They didn't match and Kate rejected them," says a family source. "Things like that caused a rift." Krall, who says all six babies ended up with matching cribs, tells Us Kate "thought they were owed stuff. The money factor was huge."

See photos of Jon Gosselin and his mistress.

Indeed, a now-famous Gosselin has spent 21 out of the last 30 days on the road at paid speaking engagements; after she made news last week admitting that she might leave Jon, she continued on her book tour for five days as her husband tended to the kids.

For more on Kate's obsession with her own celebrity and freebies, what she's really like as a mom, and her rude behavior to locals, pick up the newest issue of Us Weekly, on newsstands today.

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SuzanneDeAZ said...

I just read why she is has a rift between her and her father. It has to do with her rejecting the baby cribs that her father's church gave her when the babies were brought home. She wanted matching cribs and those donoated cribs were not matching thus she rejected them and by rejecting them she rejected her father. This woman has some real issues.

Evendently someone came up with matching cribs so she did not need the ones from her father's church. would any of you accept non matching cribs when you needed a handout?

Kathryn said...

I strongly suspect that Kate Gosselin has a plan to get her children into acting. Trust me, this woman has something up her sleeve - she's just biding her time until the time is right.
She's 'grooming' them as we speak...
Remember when she took the twins to a talent agent??

Shari said...

Kathryn said: Remember when she took the twins to a talent agent??
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In that episode, Kate couldn't keep her mouth shut for one minute and the Agent was having none of it. Notice nothing came of it and Kate made up some lame excuse about 'not having time to pursue it anyway.' Yeah, right.

I can't imagine ANY talent / modeling agency in the world that doesn't have Kate figured out and probably already has restraining orders in place just in case.

Kathryn said...

You're right Shari, I didn't think about that! On that thought I can only hope no talent agent in their right mind would consider the Gosselin kids. Way too much baggage and they'd have to put up with mama kate...

Jana said...

Shari said...

Kathryn said: Remember when she took the twins to a talent agent??
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In that episode, Kate couldn't keep her mouth shut for one minute and the Agent was having none of it. Notice nothing came of it and Kate made up some lame excuse about 'not having time to pursue it anyway.' Yeah, right.

I can't imagine ANY talent / modeling agency in the world that doesn't have Kate figured out and probably already has restraining orders in place just in case.
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I do remember that, and it was pretty funny in hindsight. Kate had met her match when it came to a strong-minded woman who was in control of the situation. The woman even said, "If we're going to do this, we do it MY way." The Queen was not pleased!

Jane in California said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...

Evendently someone came up with matching cribs so she did not need the ones from her father's church. would any of you accept non matching cribs when you needed a handout?
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I grew up being one of eight children, although we were spaced out somewhat. However, people often would donate things to us (unasked), such as clothing, smaller items of furniture, even day old bread once! My parents always graciously accepted the donated items, then most of them were then donated to Goodwill. But they always made sure to thank the giver for their thoughtfulness and consideration!

I am not too proud to take mis-matched items. In fact, because I'm a single mom, I've learned to be creative and flexible on how I furnish my home. My son's dresser came from a church rummage sale ($10!), my couch was purchased from an old boss when they refurnished their home, etc. I believe strongly in "re-use, recycle"

grannyoftwo said...

grannyoftwo..E News had the brother of the 23 yr. old teacher on tonight. He said he wasn't a liar and that he was just tired of knowing the truth and all of the other lies being told. He said the affair started in late Jan. and that his sister told him that Jon could get him some sort of tickets to a game of some kind and he thought to himself, "this must be hush money". He also said he didn't think they would stop seeing each other. They had a spot on the Daily 10 that quoted Jon as saying, he thought she must be having an affair because she wasn't getting sex from him so she must be getting it somewhere.

proteinmapper said...

Have been following this for the past few months now, and decided to share my thoughts on the most vexxing questions in this whole messed-up situation:

1) Why are the sheeple not phased? It seems the majority of people (as evidenced by the blog comments at justjared.com and discovery.com) are cluless to the show cues which hint at Kate's TRUE behavior behind the scenes. Unfortunately, it's likely that the sheeple do not know better, or the sheeple have the same dreamy-eyed views of fame/fortune that Kate has.

2) Why is it the posters here at GWOP can see the truth of the situation? I think it's likely people posting here are more in-tune to loving family dynamics, because they have experienced first-hand either (situation 1) a TRUE loving family dynamic, or (situation 2) being raised in a less-than-loving environment, which caused them to seek out and appreciate more a TRUE loving family.

ABOVE ALL - It's clear to me the GWOP posters are most interested in what's best for those beautiful, innocent children. I hope God watches over them always and will change the hearts of their parents - especially their mother.

3) Why are people (at large) anti-Octomom and pro-Kate? I don't think it's racial or religious. I think it's more of.......Octomom ALREADY HAD SIX kids by IVF.....J/K only had TWO. Octomom had WAAAAAAAY too many embroys implanted......J/K did not do the IVF thing, but instead used follicle stimulating drugs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this) - not IVF. J/K had less control over how many babies would result.

BOTTOM LINE: J/K were trying for BABIES.......Octomom was trying for LOTTO BALLS.

4) Regarding Kate dissing her father over non-matching cribs - HOW VERY SAD! Speaking as a woman who would love to have children, but likely will not (long story), BRING ON THE MISMATCHED CRIB! Better to be thankful for the HEALTHY child in the crib! Oh my.......

KATE!!!! Count your blessings!!!! Open your heart to your children and throw the cameras out!!!!!

Robin said...

The brother thought tickets to a Phillies game was hush money. Jon must not think too much of his secrets because Phillies tickets are really inexpensive. These people aren't too smart, are they?

Terra said...

Whenever I see a picture of Kate from one of the specials they did before the show, all I can think of is how happy she looks. Genuinely happy. She also looked really good. She looked like a mother and she was pretty cute. Just goes to show you don't need plastic surgery or even make-up to look nice... I just hope the family can go back to even an iota of what they had three years ago.

My5blessings said...

Jana Wrote:
I do remember that, and it was pretty funny in hindsight. Kate had met her match when it came to a strong-minded woman who was in control of the situation. The woman even said, "If we're going to do this, we do it MY way." The Queen was not pleased!

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Ya know for all the episodes I haven't seen. I saw this one.

There was no way she brought those girls to "see if they were interested" "I don't care" BS FLAG!
Get your wading boots on.....

When I watched this one, I remember thinking through that little act instantly. I grew up with Con artists like her, they were guys though........ Never have I seen a woman like Kate.That is NOT a compliment.

She took her girls in because she saw huge dollar signs. She thought people would be *star struck* and think "oh the Gosselin girls" and just sign em on up. She was VERY rude to the agent.

The agent giving the interview was one tough cookie. I believe she even called kate "mom" Which I HATE when people do that to me. I'm positive she did too.

Kate gave short, one word answers. I am positive Kate was very angry the lady didn't roll out the red carpet for her and her kids like everyone else does! I think it's funny that Kate was running to this interview, only to get in there and find out..... Guess what, you are no different than anyone else who walks through these doors. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh so nice to see!

And........ didn't anyone notice she brought one of the tups with her. I am not sure who it was but my guess it was Hannah. I'm sure she hoped the agent would snatch her up too.

Seems they walked out empty handed. Well, except for the suggestion for the girls to take "classes"

Needless to say Kate wasn't a happy camper......

My5blessings said...

) Why are the sheeple not phased? ****************

My5blessings Wrote:
Some are standing on pride. They refuse to admit they were wrong. I FIRMLY believe it is the J&K fans who are the jealous ones as has been commented many times. They want so desperately to live her life.
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2) Why is it the posters here at GWOP can see the truth of the situation?
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My5blessings wrote:
Our blinders are off and have been for quite some time. We are able to see the forest through the trees where the "fans" are simply not. We see the end does NOT justify the means. J&K seem to think, *hey, as long as we're making cashola, all is well and justifiable. Even TLC says the same thing...... it's so reprehensible and vulgar.
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ABOVE ALL - It's clear to me the GWOP posters are most interested in what's best for those beautiful, innocent children. ************
my5blessings wrote:
I agree. Despite the sometimes not so kind, although well deserved comments in regard to J&k's behavior. Mainly about their behavior towards their children and their treatment. An occasional WTH did she do to her hair poking of fun. The majority of the comments are with the children's best interest at heart. Sometimes, I admit I feel it's a losing battle.
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Going to post the rest of this seperately as it won't go through. Too long.. Something new?

My5blessings said...

3) Why are people (at large) anti-Octomom and pro-Kate? I don't think it's racial or religious. I think it's more of.......Octomom ALREADY HAD SIX kids by IVF.....J/K only had TWO. Octomom had WAAAAAAAY too many embroys implanted......J/K did not do the IVF thing, but instead used follicle stimulating drugs (please correct me if I'm wrong on this) - not IVF. J/K had less control over how many babies would result.
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my5blessings wrote:
I am not. So...... probably the only one here. I have said before. I see no difference in the exploitation of children in ANY of these shows or circumstances. People jumped on the band wagon when the media immediately latched onto her like a freaking Pit Bull. She's no different than Kate other than she's single. So what she had 6 kids............Honestly, I wanted 10 children. Does that make me wrong because another parent wanted 2? or 1? No way. The Duggars have 18 kids, yes, I know they support them. Honestly while I know how frustrating this is when we're all trying to hang on by the skin of our teeth, the amount of money Nadya Suleman received was meager. Hell we spend more money on pork barrel spending in ten minutes than she received ever! Why aren't people up in arms over this. Not to mention, J&K also utilized the States money as well..... why was that okay???

I am not saying I'm her fan. By no means. she says and does strange things. but I'll tell you this, the people who attacked her, through a carseat through her vehicle window, tore her garage door down were disgusting and worse than she could ever be. They touted themselves as the "sane" ones. Who does that?

Years ago, I was on a support group when I was trying to conceive my last two children. I can assure you IVF is NOT always successful. I saw so many Mothers and Fathers in complete despair over several IVF, not being successful. I would hear "it's our last try" it was extremely sad.

Many people deplete every cent they have trying for that one baby to love through IVF. It's certainly not a given. It still requires babies to implant and that isn't as easy as it sounds.
With IUI, I think Kate had WAY more control over the ability to overstimulate her ovaries. I think she's a liar when she says Oooops. Not buying they were devastated at all. I think it was the goal and they met it and then some.
Also, remember Nadya had several IVF which resulted in one pregnancy, one birth with IVF. So it's not a given at all she or anyone like her would result in so many baies....... She had 6 implanted, gave birth to 8 because of twins...........


BOTTOM LINE: J/K were trying for BABIES.......Octomom was trying for LOTTO BALLS.

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My5blessings wrote:
Disagree. Where did you get this information or is it simply your opinion-- like these words are mainly my opinion?

Remember Nadya Suleman didn't exploit her six children. Why is that? J&K exploited their children immediately........ speaks volumes

Sisi said...

I don't think that the JK8 vs. Octomom debate is racist. While JK8 are certainly money hungry self promoters prior to their television show there was nothing out there to suggest that they'd rake in the big bucks by having sextuplets and letting cameras watch. I think that they anticipated donations of free baby stuff and perhaps a few other donation/freebie type things like a free house and car but nothing like what they eventually got and are still getting.
Octomom seems to have tried over and over again until her sixth pregnancy produced the "correct" result i.e. octuplets.
THen her first move was to start shopping and negotiating for a deal. She has a long history of living off of welfare, neglecting her children, and acting like a lunatic (like calling 911 and threatening suicide b/c her kid went on a walk with grandma and she had forgotten that!)
She hired a publicist, then another and other PR representation. While Kate's rejection of her own parents and other extended family over the years is heinous, at least she didn't dump the kids on them and only reappear for photo ops.
She's a b*tch, no doubt. ANd probably was prior to the sextuplets and fame, but chances are if she and Jon hadn't been given the TV gig they probably would have settled into something of a "normal" life, written a book I'm sure, and maybe done some promotion... But they wouldn't have kept on having more multiples until the world took notice!
Had OCtomom been blond haired and blue eyed I think she still would have gotten the same treatment, all other parts of her life being the same.

colorofyourdreams said...

I was just thinking about this the other night--the similarities between this and the Truman Show. Truman had his life documented 24/7 in a controlled world; and was the first child owned by television. These kids are so much like that. I mean they might as well be owned by TLC and their publicity seeking mother.

Dee Dee said...

<< The kids will be gone ( hopefully they will tell her where she can stick that money ). >>

Thanks for the fascinating projection BMWoP however you just KNOW Mady is counting the days until she can drive herself to a lawyer's office and sue the heck out of her parents - you go girl! I can't wait for HER book to come out ...

Dee Dee said...

The children will ask us all, "Where were you for us? Why didn't somebody out there speak up for us?"
What will we tell them? ---

That's the issue, isn't it? With the parents under contractual agreement with the network, they can't be the ones to champion for the kids, even if they think something is detremental. They've signed their lives away, as well as their ability to be effective on set guardians. Some legislation is badly needed.