And They Wonder Why They Don't Get Posted.....

This week has been insane to say the least. Along with the huge amount of traffic and great comments, we got more than our normal amount of comments like this....

if jon and kate get divorced and the show ends and Kate has her kids taken away and imprisoned what will all of you stay at home moms with nothing else better to do instead of bitching (about a woman who has changed her appearance for the better and has money and has kids and a guy who made a few bad choices) do?

For the moderators of this site I would like an email contact so I can ask why you Never post any comments that do not bitch about J&K.


Ghostwriter and the buddy sockpuppets strike again. Is it any wonder we don't let comments like this through for those who keep asking why they don't get posted?

We also saw a lot like this.....

As long as they save some money for the kids to have later in life, what's the harm in the show? We don't even know these children personally but everyone here is outraged at their situation? Worry about your own family!

We had so much to say about this one, it's impossible to even know where to start.

115 comments:

Elle :) said...

I recently posted a comment on one of the Huffington Post articles asking for concerned people to boycott the show and TLC and providing the web address. I got back, "GET A LIFE" from one genius. I couldn't help but respond, "and yet YOU are reading the article and comments- ironic!"

Jo Ann said...

Wow. Just wow. I'll bet there's a lot of comments saying, "You're just jealous!!" LOL. Yeah right.

Glades said...

Long time reader, first time poster...I used to be a fan of this show. As I watched them get more and more greedy and it become less and less about their kids I've decided its not a "family" show anymore. The sheeple, as bloggers on here call them have lost sight of the fact that Jon and Kate CHOSE to have IVF after already having 2 children, the CHOSE to let TLC into their lives, and now they are CHOOSING to air their dirty laundry in the eyes of the public. I think they do probably love their children--but they love the material possessions that those children bring almost as much.

I think this blog is full of insightful comments and most of the time I agree with points made. Keep up the work GWOP and don't let naysayers get in the way!

jonandkatewho? said...

Jo Ann said...
Wow. Just wow. I'll bet there's a lot of comments saying, "You're just jealous!!" LOL. Yeah right.

5/30/2009 9:21 AM

Heyyy....that should be "ur jus jellus!"...can't you SPEL?

lol, sorry I just couldn't resist.

Mandy said...

These people want the show on for their own selfish reason: entertainment. They don't understand the negative effects this is going to have on the children in the long run. The bad outweighs the good. Children don't care about free vacations, clothing and furniture. Time and love from their parents is what they need! Being a big family they already get very little one-on-one time with their parents. How much do you remember from when you were four years old? Those vacations aren't going to be remembered when they're grown up.

WomanMother said...

I can imagine getting these silly emails is frustrating. These people, albeit some are rude, have good intentions I'm sure. They can't imagine caring for 8 children b/c our own 1 or 2 or 3 drive us a little nuts and we wish we could have it so good as Kate. So they think it's okay to have a little show to care for them even if Kate is going a bit overboard because that will be their financial security in the future. Trust me folks, that's just a SNAPSHOT IDEAL. It has CLEARLY affected the family, THIS SHOW, and the celebrity factor was too much for insecure Kate and she allowed THE SHOW to ruin the bond she could've been created privately with her family. YOU CAN'T DENY THAT EVEN IF YOU WERE BORN BLIND, DEAF AND DUMB. If the people criticizing this blog don't see that than they should criticize the PA Dept. of Labor who didn't dismiss this complaint as irrelevant. They should complain to Bill O'Reilly, they should complain to all the world who is now taking notice (except for them, they're that special) that ANY mother would take money (and beg for 2 more seasons)to broadcast their children on air at the expense of their kids health. To the moderators of this forum, this sarcasm is to show you that we know what a waste of time it is to try to open the eyes of these folks who criticize this forum because they STILL believe Kate is as wholesome as gingerbread pie.

If Kate would have stuck with the yearly specials I can GUARANTEE the children will have still benefited monetarily, they would have went on normal family vacations with Kevin, Jodi and perhaps Beth without the lens scrutinizing them. Those guys that they considered "part of the family" are now with the Duggars. Go figure sheeple.

What is escaping them is the fact that the show IS (as she admitted) their LIFE, their life is the SHOW and that is NOT NORMAL, that is NOT HEALTHY and that is NOT FAIR to the children to be forced to be on camera their entire lives.

Anne said...

I'm convinced that the majority of people who leave these kind of comments are uneducated in most aspects of their lives, not just when it comes to Jon and Kate.

My favorites are the ones that pop up after Kate addresses something negative in the media, and then you get all of the "see, I knew that couldn't be true, glad Kate cleared it up", like there's no way in the world that sweet, angelic Kate could possibly be the one lying...because we all know Kate doesn't have anything to gain from not telling the truth! Poor, ignorant people.

A Mother's Walk said...

I can't believe there are idiots like that out there. Maybe it is just Kate posting crazy comments in an effort to save face?!

KariK said...

Oh yea I'm jealous! ha

If anything Kate is jealous of us "regular" moms as she so claims to be.

Sidney said...

Way to go mods!

Posters often say "if you don't like it, don't watch the show."

I say to them, "if you don't like this site, don't come here."

We appreciate all the time and thought you put into making this a place of reason.

Thank you so much.

Aunty Anne said...

Thanks Mods! It takes time out of your lives to provide this spot for people to find real information.

You are doing wonderfully wonderful~

JFS in IL said...

Well, Babymama has to vent somewhere, since GWOP isn't going away silently into the night...;-)

Queenemi said...

I personally love Kate and know lots of people who do. I think that it shows how people really talk to each other when the stress is on and no one is watching. Jon needs to suck it up and be a man. If he wasn't so "laid back" Kate wouldn't have to tell him what to do all the time. I think that she sometimes goes overboard, but we all do! I am rooting for them both and the kids.

Jana said...

WomanMother said:
If Kate would have stuck with the yearly specials I can GUARANTEE the children will have still benefited monetarily, they would have went on normal family vacations with Kevin, Jodi and perhaps Beth without the lens scrutinizing them. Those guys that they considered "part of the family" are now with the Duggars. Go figure sheeple.* * *
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I agree - once a year specials, to update interested people on how the sextuplets are doing, would have been appropriate, and still have provided them with, say $25K more per year income. Then write a book and have that income. The children wouldn't have been under near constant filming and lights, their whole lives exposed to the public.

To me it seems like such common sense parenting -- you might decide to give up a tiny bit of privacy to have the once a year filming, but the trade off is a bit of extra money. To me, that would still be a bit hard, but doable. However, 40 episodes in one "season," which isn't even 12 months long? All in the name of money and a rich lifestyle?

I really hope that pressure is put to bear on TLC and the Gosselins, so at the very least, they cut way back on the filming schedule. It's also very important that part of the funds paid to Jon & Kate be diverted into separate accounts in the children's names, kept in trust for them for when they reach adulthood. But you know Kate would fight that tooth and nail, because she has to have control of that money and her kids. If they can access it when they turn 18, then she loses control over them. For a control freak like Kate, that's not going to happen willingly.

Jana said...

BTW, I was puzzled by the first example you shared -- the writer somehow jumped to "Kate goes to prison." Huh? Even though I'm highly critical of Kate and think someone needs to step in and stop this exploitation, I have never heard anyone talking about her doing jail time! However, I'd love to see some court-ordered psychotherapy - he!

UGH! said...

The sheeple seriously are mental and SHPULD be ignored, as you all have been doing.

Why do the sheeple post here in the first place ?

UGH! said...

Sorry, meant SHOULD..............

Mods, you all deserve a spa day for dealing with the extreme craziness of the last month !

RealMom said...

I think a lot of these women support Kate because they want to be her. They have all said they buy the same clothes, have the same haircut, and try to model themselves after her. Sad. I would post every single comment received and let the readers respond. I would also let everyone see how sick, pathetic and twisted these "Kate" supporters can be. Because they are so infatuated with her, not the 8 kids, they are blind to the plight of the children.

Nancy S said...

It truly is astonishing to me to see clear evidence of just how different people are.

Gosselins truly have a lot of fans who see nothing they don't want to see, even when it is so glaring to the rest of us.

I can't believe people truly feel Jodi and Kevin are home wreckers and are coming forth just for the money. They feel Jodi and Kevin are truly evil!

How can that be?

tallblonde said...

...they have to run out of skittles & unicorns some time....
;)

Cathleen said...

Honestly, I am sorry that Kate finally learned to appreciate her fans, so she says.

Sheeple Are Creepy! said...

Mandy, I agree with your statement 100%. The major supporters of this show are being SELFISH. They don't care what happens to the kids as long as they have something to watch on Monday nights. In fact, I would say that these Sheeple are the ones who are obsessed and need to GET A LIFE. The sad thing is that Kate seems to validate a lot of these people who are probably rotten mothers and wives. I also think that most of the Sheeple either want to be Kate or want her children, both of which is sickening. These people are really, really creepy!

mkm19602000 said...

I must admit that I have fallen a foul of the mods in my life here. I thank you. However, the level of stupidity shown by those posters that have appeared in the post is astounding. Keep up the good work mods.

MaryKay

Jen's Blog said...

So is this posting to say that anyone who is "Pro-Gosselin" is not permitted to be heard?

Look, I agree the show should be taken off the air at this point and the focus should be put solely on those beautiful children, but the other side should be allowed to be heard.

While some of those posters you cited go too far, I believe some of the posters who appear regularly go too far as well with claims of massive childhood trauma, abuse, etc.

We don't know these people personally, and while it obviously does not look like a good situation in Gosselin Land, it probably isn't as bad as you make it out to be either. Relax and have a healthy dialogue with both sides getting the chance to speak. That's something that will benefit all involved.

Kat said...

I have been reading this blog for a few days, but this is my first time posting. I used to be an avid fan of the show. I started to like them because I understood them both to be Christians. While watching the show, I observed much behavior from Kate that did not seem very Christ-like and it started to bother me. But I, like many others tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. When this media firestorm broke out surrounding them, I decided to do a little research. Now my eyes have been opened. I see the child exploitation very plainly now. I remember episodes where we saw the children taking a bath or using the bathroom. I feel outraged that these parents would allow a CAMERA CREW to film these kids in the bathroom. I feel ashamed of myself for watching this show and participating in lining the pockets of these people. I feel like my eyes have been opened now and I can look at this show and these people with a new perspective. I see how Kate has been narcissistic and greedy all along and it makes me sick! I am joining you in not ever watching this show again. And I am not watching TLC again until they make some changes. And I am encouraging my friends to do the same. I used to be a sheeple, BUT NO MORE!! Kat

Sal said...

It is very naive to say we don't know how bad the kids have it and things are probably better than they appear.
Do you have any first hands facts here?
Where there is smoke there is fire.
Hundreds of thousands of people (If not millions) have seen how exploited these poor children are.
So we shouldn't so anything? We shouldn't demand for Pennsylvania to look into their situation?
Right.

sure said...

So we shouldn't so anything? We shouldn't demand for Pennsylvania to look into their situation?
Right.
Why is it so black and white? Let them look into the situation. Just don't be so all fired sure they will find anything.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Queenemi said:

"I personally love Kate and know lots of people who do"

That comment speaks volumes. How can you love someone who you have never met,had a conversation with and doesn't love you back?

These follower's/Kate fans and sheeple must most certaintly have low self esteem to worship someone like Kate.

I myself love my family and friends and SELF! Not a person on television whom I have never met.

Kat said...

So is this posting to say that anyone who is "Pro-Gosselin" is not permitted to be heard?

Look, I agree the show should be taken off the air at this point and the focus should be put solely on those beautiful children, but the other side should be allowed to be heard.
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The other side hasn't been heard?!!
We have heard from Kates own mouth that's it's all about money. We have heard straight from TLC that it's all about the money. In their statement to CNN they said that it was BECAUSE OF THE SHOW that J&K were able to provide for their family. You know what I have to say about that- BS! TLC does not want to stop doing the show because it is lining their pockets as well! We have heard plenty from the "other side" and the more that I hear, the more outraged I become!

MirandaB2008 said...

I offer the Mods here my heartfelt support, appreciation and Thanks for a Job well done.
If we wanted to read a bunch of drivel about how wonderful Kate is? there are other places for that. And people are Welcome to be 'there'.... if that's what they choose to do.

I enjoy coming to GWOP because we all share a common Bond - that of truly wanting the best for the innocent children and sharing our thoughts of how incredulous Kate can be - and just when we think it can't possibly get much worse!? it does.

it's nice to be able to share with people of the same views.

On the Season premiere Show? it really caused me to shake my head at her sitting there stating over and over " travelling all over the country IS MY JOB!!" and " I Have a Job"...... since when did patting yourself on the back for a Miraculous "Job" well done and ingratiating yourself with a bunch of Inflated Fluffy Stories written by another person? constitute a Job?
It's more like an excuse in my opinion.... excuse to traipse around acting like somebody you're not.

Jrawnsley said...

I have watched Jon and Kate from the beginning. I really enjoyed the children and the sweet innocence of them and managed to ignore Kate as she progressively grew more shrewish. It often shocked me at how she spoke to Jon, so it came as no surprise when I started hearing these rumors.
On another note....if you want to have a really good laugh, get on YouTube and type in 'Jon and Kate Parody' some college age kids have done a few (including Kates striped hair) and a full gaggle of 'kids'.....they are HYSTERICAL. I wasted an afternoon watching them yesterday after a friend told me about it. VERY FUNNY

momof5 said...

Well I am a SAHM but with PLENTY to do. If they are so busy why are the attacking this blog?

Why would Kate be imprisoned? Maybe they mean she will be in her own private hell.

I have no problem with someone improving their looks, but when you expect everyone else to pay for it/donate their services well that's what gets me.

BARF at the money thing.

SpoiledMom said...

I love those genius comments--I get them as well. I save those comments on my blog to read through again, as it gives me a good laugh during chemo... LOL It is hilarious to read some of the things people actually "believe".

The "sheeple" consider themselves "pro-Gosselin" while they call us "haters" and "anti-Gosselin". When, in reality, our main purpose and mission has always been that we have the best interest of the children at the inner most depths of our hearts -- we are diligently voicing our concerns so that the Gosselin children may have a "voice". Kate has shown that she is oblivious to what is right in front of her.

What is most comical is that in berating us for caring, and the "you don't know the family" posts(neither do they); and the countless comments that state "I am judging the family" -- do these posters not realize that they are in fact doing the same? Are they not judging? They are just as guilty, if not more.

I do not consider caring for the well being of a child and reiterating what I view with my own eyes "judging".

Just for kicks, I will publish one of these ridiculous comments. As you well know, they are always posted by "Anonymous", -- because it is so easy for some to speak their ignorance behind anonymity-- just so I can have a "slightly" fair balance. However, my reply to these comments is the same: "Judge not lest thy be judged."

Kudos to the mods--they help keep this an awesome site.

Naj said...

Oh yeah,
And YOU ARE SO JEALOUS!
(of what? I've yet to figure out WHAT we're jealous of).

Bad hair cut? Crippling OCD? A nasty disposition so evident that it's been commented on by respected editors, TV personalities and authors?

OH! You mean she has MONEY and a big house.

So do I. Happy family too....good life, pleasant job,

Cute butt in swimsuit.

But what I don't have is cameras up that butt when I go to the pool or those same camera zooming in on my most private moments with my loved ones.

The "your jealous" remark convinces me that they have the social maturity of 14 year old girls.

Karen said...

It is being reported that $10 million is at stake if a divorce happens. There are 10 people in the family. There should be $1 million each. The kids are the ONLY reason I have ever popped into see the show. They should get equal share (in trust funds overseen by outside parties). Suggest that to Kate and watch her go into apoplectic shock and spout for hours why that should not happen. She's just a better-dressed octomom.

Naj said...

Exactly! Octomom with an ugly haircut, but better plastic surgery.

just wondering said...

Karen said...
It is being reported that $10 million is at stake if a divorce happens. There are 10 people in the family. There should be $1 million each. The kids are the ONLY reason I have ever popped into see the show. They should get equal share (in trust funds overseen by outside parties). Suggest that to Kate and watch her go into apoplectic shock and spout for hours why that should not happen. She's just a better-dressed octomom.

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Hope the cameras are filming when the apoplectic shock hits!

Now that would be a picture worth framing!

lovemysons said...

I completely agree with what Jen's Blog said. Yes, the show does to come to a stop now. I will not dispute that. But I also agree that a lot of these regular posters who are making accusations of trauma, abuse, and child pornography are out of line.

There's a lot in this family you don't see. You only see what the cameras want you to see, and that's for the ratings. I read a lot of these posts condemning Kate for the way she talks to Jon. But all of you have no clue what happens once those cameras are shut off. You have no idea how Jon talks to her. You've seen in some episodes where he is gruff with the kids. The possibility is there that he's the same way with her.

There are more important things in this world to worry about, such as the state of the economy, etc. We all need to take a deep breath and step back and watch what happens with this investigation.

SpoiledMom said...

NAJ said:

OH! You mean she has MONEY and a big house.

So do I. Happy family too....good life, pleasant job,

Cute butt in swimsuit.

But what I don't have is cameras up that butt when I go to the pool or those same camera zooming in on my most private moments with my loved ones.
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YOU GO GIRL!! I loved that comment! I was thinking it, but glad you said it... LOL
I'm nearing 40 and can still rock a swimsuit--without a tummy tuck, so take that Kate! Yeah, so Kate had 8 kids. I have had 2, plus a hysterectomy. With exercise, I keep fit.
Somehow, though, I think my kids would love me no matter my appearance. It's called unconditional love.
Food for thought, Kate.

Naj said...

Wish we had a 'why I'm not jealous' thread. I could list a million reasons.

One is my house is messy and it doesn't phase me.

SpoiledMom said...

Naj said:
Wish we had a 'why I'm not jealous' thread. I could list a million reasons.

One is my house is messy and it doesn't phase me.
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Mine would be:

Never had my kids call me by the nannies' name.
wait, I don't have a nanny-and never needed one.

Jail Indeed said...

Jana said...

BTW, I was puzzled by the first example you shared -- the writer somehow jumped to "Kate goes to prison." Huh? Even though I'm highly critical of Kate and think someone needs to step in and stop this exploitation, I have never heard anyone talking about her doing jail time! However, I'd love to see some court-ordered psychotherapy - he!
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You might want to read more carefully, as there are numerous comments about hoping Kate is prosecuted for fraud for running a ponzi scheme, etc.

Examples:

"Someone said Jon and Kate asking for monetary donations under false circumstances could be considered a Ponzi scheme. Is that true? Could the state get them for this under any other statues that anyone is aware of? Anyone? Seeing Kate behind bars for all the crimes she has committed against her own children would be the ultimate reward. Then she would know what the children have felt like behind bars for the last 5 years."

"What's really fair is that Kate be brought up on charges of criminal FRAUD by swindling people out of their money by crying povery and not doing what's in the best interest of her children by exposing them to constant media scrutiny. Yeah, Mother of the Year alright.

Last I checked, pimps go to prison."

PA Taxpayer said...

lovemysons - you're right about worrying about the economy.

i'm so sick of this sham network (tlc) and the freebie family and the way they have taken advantage of the good people of Pennsylvania for so many years now.

As a former fan of the show and a PA resident who is just learning about all their ploys to make ME, a PA taxpayer pay for THEM, you bet I'm concerned about our economy.
Our PA pocketbooks and tax dollars ARE part of the economy.

You see, once you start in on a scam, if affects many other areas, so that's why all their scamming is getting people hopping mad.

I learned that from the beginning, Kate G went before a state board and demanded they foot the bill for a full-time nurse (for a second year - they already did so for the first year).
While other families with medically disabled children with REAL needs are the ones the program was for, she said it was too much for her to stay home alone with 8 kids and she needed a taxpayer paid nurse.
(forget about making "nice" with your Christian family and getting them to help out).

Now, she's not even home.
Which is it, then?
What a scam.

I PAY my taxes and if this sham of a family is getting all this stuff FREE and NOT paying taxes - you bet I want to know and you bet I'm going to concern myself with it.

I'm more concerned about the health and welfare of the children, but by golly, if they are using MY tax dollars (by NOT paying their fair share) which should be going to MY family, I'm gonna say something.
Why should they be let off the hook?
We like our vacations and shopping sprees and spa days, too.
I'll pay for my own, thank you - not theirs!

Unless you want to pay my taxes for me and the rest of us here.

Jana said...

Queenemi said...

I personally love Kate and know lots of people who do. I think that it shows how people really talk to each other when the stress is on and no one is watching. Jon needs to suck it up and be a man. If he wasn't so "laid back" Kate wouldn't have to tell him what to do all the time. I think that she sometimes goes overboard, but we all do! I am rooting for them both and the kids.----------------------------

I will admit, there have been times in my life that I've behaved badly. I've yelled at my son when really I was upset because money was tight and I didn't know how I was going to pay the bills. I've been crabby with clerks from time to time. I even once yelled at some stranger at the gas station because I thought he had pulled up after me and then used the pump I wanted to use. (Needless to say, I was soooo embarrassed immediately afterward and apologized.)

I've had fights with my ex (before we were exes), usually brought on by feelings of jealously or insecurity. I would accuse him of desiring other women, of not spending enough time with me, or of being a workaholic.

However, I have never spoken to my child, my ex, my sisters or brothers, or my mom and dad as Kate talks to her own children and Jon. I've never slapped any family member in the face, "playfully" or otherwise. I have never said my son was "icky" or "yucky." I never yelled at my ex for not using a coupon and berated him like a child. I never yelled at him from across the store to "get over here!" so loudly that everyone else stared at us.

For my shortcomings, I apologize to my son after an outburst. We talk and I try so hard to do much better. If he comes crying to me, I respond by stopping whatever I'm doing and finding out what the problem is. I don't let a film crew into my home to film him as he tries to go about his daily life. I certainly never took pictures of his poop, nor allowed others to come watch him as he sat on the toilet!!!! (Nor would it ever, ever, ever occur to me to do so.) And my goodness, if I had happened to allow those things, I sure wouldn't put that on national tv for the world to see -- what were TLC and Kate thinking? So creepily creepy.

Anyway, you have the right to be a fan of Kate. I'm sorry to hear that you think people normally talk to each other when stressed, like Kate talks to Jon. That's really unacceptable behavior, and being under stress is no excuse for behaving badly to those you love.

BarbMae said...

O.K. I have never played the lottery but have always wondered what I would do if I won. I would put away trust funds for my 2 boys, pay off my debts, buy a home (debt free) and live the rest of my life debt free. I would not exploit my children, exploit myself, and hire a great financial advisor and lawyer. I am currently going through financially a very difficult time and pondering Chapter 7 bankruptcy. I comment on this site because of my concern for these 8 children. Jon and Kate Gosselin are selfish, money-grubbing people who only think of themselves and are fooling themselves when they say they did this to provide their children with a better life. What will the children have in 13, 10 years when the tups and twins reach 18? Nothing. These selfish parents will have nothing left for them. I am not jealous because above as I stated if I ever won the lottery, by selfish needs would be last on my list.... Sheeples wake up and smell the coffee...

Kelly said...

I also used to be a fan of the show. It made me feel less overwhelmed to see someone taking care of all those kids when I was struggling with just one. For awhile, watching Kate was kind of validating. She would yell at Jon and take out her frustrations on the kids, and I could say to myself, "at least I'm not THAT bad."

But then I saw a photo of the kids that was not TLC promo material, it was just a picture of the kids all lined up, looking uncomfortable. And a light finally went on over my head that these were REAL children. Not TV characters. Not actors. Just kids who were trying to get through their day with cameras pushed in their faces. And I realized that they were being exploited by their parents. Parents whose JOB it is to protect them. Not make money off of them.

Damage Control said...

The ignorance never fails to astound, does it?

JD said...

As if there isn't a plethora of reasons to demonstrate the exploitation of the Gosselin 8, here's another.

I always put myself in the child's position.
Like, how awful it would be to go on the internet and see all the freakish talk about me and my parents.

How freakish it would be to see how perfect strangers are plastering MY picture on THEIR blog site -- creeps!!
People get arrested for that kind of creepish behavior -- why not those sickos!?!

Now, just think.
They will ALWAYS and FOREVER be remembered as the kids who were on that tv channel with the One-Ton man they needed a forklift to get out of bed, the 800 Pound Bedridden guy with sores all over his body and hidden in the giant folds of his skin while mom feeds him 30 double-decker hamburgers from the local burger joint, the giant tumor-on-the-skull kid and all the other Ripley's Believe it or Not Freak Shows.

Gee....thanks mom and dad for THAT legacy!

This show needs to stop....now!!

H.K. said...

Jon mentioned in the premier episode that the life that he has now was "chosen" for him that he didn't choose it.

He has a mouth, doesn't he? It works. If he doesn't like it then he shouldn't have signed up for another season. He had the choice to say no for him and for his kids.

Jon & Kate are not victims, they chose their path. The only victims are their children & their paths was chosen for them.

This show is a perfect example that fame & fortune comes with a high price tag.

organizedblogroll said...

Yea, I'm sure Mommy Gosselin is sacking all the money away for the children. Yea, right.

Considering that Jon got $5.00 a day, I'm sure she'll be more than generous with her children in the future, GENEROUS TO A FAULT.

I'm sure she'll be more than willing to teach her children how to use the system to get as many freebies as they grow up.

Team Plus 8 said...

Sigh. I don't want bad things to happen to that family. Bad things are already happening and I honestly hope they get their act together. If I'm sarcastic, it's because the foolishness is so predictable. I can only imagine how difficult it must be for the mods to have to read repeats of Gosselin apologists. GWOP is important, but it's just the messenger. Jon and Kate and TLC (and the state of Pennsylvania) are the ones that need to change. If there are any awful consequences, it will be their choices and not because GWOP was or wasn't blogging about them.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I found a link to this forum on TVWOP, concerning the Duggars

http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3146312&st=15465

laura weiss said...

I actually feel kind of sorry for those who defended Kate Gosselin so vociferously. Can you imagine how awful they feel right now? Can you imagine how it must sting to know that the whole thing is a sham?

Nobody likes to be played for a fool. And when money is involved, such as those who gave their cold, hard cash to these KON artists, well, you must feel some sympathy for them, no matter what they say about those of us who saw the scam for what it is all along.

cdnmom47 said...

This morning as I was lazing in bed and watching that wonderful video from CNN with Paul Petersen, I really sat back and thought what it would be like to have cameras in MY house as the Gosselin's do.

Just imagine....I mean REALLY imagine. Close your eyes and picture that while doing everything you do around your home, you are followed around by someone with a video camera. (We've probably all been videod at one time or another and we all know how uncomfortable that can be). Add to that the sound man (men), producer, et al. I'm not sure of all of the people necessary but I believe at one time Kate mentioned it can be 6 to 8 people at a time who are needed to film.

This just HAS to have an effect on them...it HAS to. There is no way it can't!!!

Also, does everyone remember the twins' birthday? The one when Mady had the meltdown when she got off the bus?

I've often thought that the reason she was so upset that day was that she saw the film crew there, and it angered her. I truly believe that kid is smarter than the average bear and doesn't like to perform like a trained seal for the cameras...because she doesn't have the ability to express herself verbally (none of the children seem to have that ability...probably due to the fact that it's not expected of them)...well, because of that, she has a meltdown. Just a thought.

How can these so called 'die hard fans' of the show NOT SEE???....this filming WILL AFFECT THE CHILDREN! It might not be today...it might not be in a year or two...but eventually, it is going to have an effect on their lives. (And not a positive one).

TandLMommy28 said...

SpoiledMom said...

Naj said:
Wish we had a 'why I'm not jealous' thread. I could list a million reasons.

One is my house is messy and it doesn't phase me.
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Mine would be:

Never had my kids call me by the nannies' name.
wait, I don't have a nanny-and never needed one.
**************

My kids have never even been left with a baby-sitter not named "Grandma" and even then never for longer than three hours. And I'm darn proud of that.

I'm not jealous because...
my husband actually likes me. And not because someone pays him to pretend he does in front of a camera.

RuthinVA said...

Kate knew from the get go how Jon was. To use his lackadaisical attitude as an excuse for the way in which she treats him is just idiotic. If some women feel Kate's actions toward Jon are appropriate they need to ask themselves if her actions are improving the situation. As a matter of fact, we see very little Kate does to improve any situation. If a child's behavior is not to Kate's liking she immediately hands them off to Jon. And please, all you sheeple they are not handed off to Jon for training purposes, it is because Miss Mother of the Year has no idea what to do.
I can not believe that there are still folks that sincerely believe the children are not being affected by the filming, when every time you turn the channel as of late there is another psychiatrist telling us the effects this will have on these children. I do not and never will understand how people do not see how every action has a positive or negative reaction. When negative action is repeated over and over again the reaction is often combustible.

Jon Too said...

RuthinVA said...

Kate knew from the get go how Jon was. To use his lackadaisical attitude as an excuse for the way in which she treats him is just idiotic.

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Same applies to Jon. He knew from the get go who he was marrying. To use her behavior as an excuse for him allegedly cheating, as many here have done, is equally idiotic.

MamaJane said...

For me there are two types of responses to jk8. One is emotional. It makes me mad and sad to see kids used, no matter by whom. And it scares me to see how people think the answer is "don't watch."

The other set of reactions is more social philosophical. Why is it morally ok for kids to work a jillion hours a month? Why is it ok for their childhoods to be sold to tge highest bidder? Why aren't there LAWS? They can't work in factories making consumer products. Why can they work in their freaking homes making consumer products? And why don't those kids have their own ad litem protector? There would be NO show but for them. Why does the money go to J/K? They are not marketable without their 8. Why is it ok for a tv network to use children for profit without directly compensating them? Kid actors get paychecks written to them. Why not the Gosselin 8 or any other reality show kids? Are there 8 trust funds benefitting from each episode? If not, why not?

I have no right to tell anyone how to parent, though I am free to express an opinion. But as a consumer and tax payer and voter, I do have a right to question why my country has no laws requiring protection of children from media and economic exploitation and invasion of privacy.

RuthinVA said...

Jon too:

I am not condoning Jon's behavior but I certainly don't condone Kate's either. And yes, you are right Jon broke up with his girlfriend the day after he first met Kate. I remember Kate saying she met Jon at a function where he worked and Jon's girlfriend was gone the next day. Maybe that should have been a red flag for Kate.

Email Forwards said...

J&K loyal fans & followers are simpletons.
They are selfish and extremely gullible. I cannot count the number of times I've read - "Leave them alone"
The Gosselin's brought this on themselves. Nobody else is to blame. Kate fans are selfish people. They're entertained by a television show & show little concern for the children involved in this circus side show. It's all about their own personal entertainment & that's sad. I have to wonder how they treat their own children.

You are doing a great job with this site & I come here often (although I've never posted anything until now)
Keep up the good work GWOP.

ramblin...on said...

Hi Jon Too,

While I agree about Jon (that Kate knew the type of person he was) I want to say a little in Jon's defense (as to "the decision was made for him") He has stated he is a giver and pleaser.

Also, about Kate; her brother stated she didn't act like that until she had some kids. So, I don't believe Jon knew who he was marrying or how much she would change.

Thanks, Mods for the wonderful job you do--I can't believe you have full-time jobs as well. Great work!

Nicole said...

Jon and Kate could have done well together.

He's more laid back with a tendency towards passive-aggressive behavior to her seemingly more detail-oriented and confrontational/aggressive style.
Though it is difficult, I have seen many couples work this out.

Over the many years, he likely would have become slightly more responsible and assertive, while she became slightly more laid back and respectful. No major changes, just the normal stuff that comes with living with someone different than you.

As with every family, children put stresses on this. More complicated, but still manageable.

However, the TV show magnified the problems 10 times over. What was once a tendency or a bad habit, became a normal behavior. They both knew who they were marrying, but those two people changed drastically. Jon became extremely laid back and irresponsible while Kate became extremely controlling and a perfectionist.

They both killed their chances at a good marriage, every day they shot the show, every second they were "Jon & Kate Plus 8."

ajh said...

There's a lot in this family you don't see. You only see what the cameras want you to see, and that's for the ratings. I read a lot of these posts condemning Kate for the way she talks to Jon. But all of you have no clue what happens once those cameras are shut off. You have no idea how Jon talks to her. You've seen in some episodes where he is gruff with the kids. The possibility is there that he's the same way with her.
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Yes, that's true, nobody knows what the camera doesn't show, including you. Sure, the rough comments from kate could be hand picked to grow ratings, OR they could be the nicest comments they could find that were airable. She could be even worse than we see. John could be mean back, or he could be nicer then they are showing.
Jon and Kate are producers on the show now. If they didn't like the way the film was edited, they have a say.

GAmom said...

This thread is very interesting to me. Of course the example posts the mods gave are pretty ludicris, but I think there is a good point somewhere in there about the allowance (or lack thereof) of submitted posts. I have submitted some posts that contain (VERY) mild criticisms or corrections of points being made by other posters, and those have never been allowed. But posts that I send with purely negative or factual information against the show or the Gosselins are ALWAYS allowed.

I do like this board, and follow it almost daily. But seeing which comments are allowed and not allowed has caused me to read with a grain of salt.

Bev said...

Kate Gosselin has basically cut off the "real world" and has surrounded herself with "yes-men". The PR people, managers, security people...they're all telling her what to do to make the most money. Of course..they are making money in the process and she doesn't get that. They're her "best friends". I think Kate is smart and cunning...but I think she's in over her head. If she weren't being so greedy and materialistic she'd be able to see the enormous sacrifices she is making...her marriage, her family relations, her kids' well being. TLC and her "people" are trying to capitalize off this family and will continue to do so until the well runs dry. Which, judging by the negativity out there about this whole situation, is going to be a lot sooner than later. I honestly don't think she believes that which is even more tragic. If you google "Gosselins" you get back thousands and thousands of negative results. It's getting worse by the day. I don't think Octomom had this much negativity. In fact...I think all that negative energy has been transplanted on Kate Gosselin. She needs to stop listening to her "people" and do the right thing. She needs to get herself and her kids out of the public eye and stop this nonsense. There is no way in heck she can pull off a talk show or cooking show or whatever it is they're up to. The backlash is going to be ENORMOUS and her kids are going to be the first to feel the effects. We are watching the TV industry destroy this family and the lives of these kids right before our eyes and it's terrible.

my9cats said...

TandLMommy28 said...
SpoiledMom said...

Naj said:
Wish we had a 'why I'm not jealous' thread. I could list a million reasons.

One is my house is messy and it doesn't phase me.
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Mine would be:

Never had my kids call me by the nannies' name.
wait, I don't have a nanny-and never needed one.
**************

My kids have never even been left with a baby-sitter not named "Grandma" and even then never for longer than three hours. And I'm darn proud of that.

I'm not jealous because...
my husband actually likes me. And not because someone pays him to pretend he does in front of a camera.

5/30/2009 7:21 PM

Would make a great thread. My contribution is I am not jealous because I value my PRIVACY and ANONYMITY. It's financially hard being a widow, the money would be nice, but you know what? I can go where I please, do what I please, wear what I please, and think and say what I please without fear of world opinion and finding myself all over the papers, TV and the internet. For me this trumps megabucks every time.

Another idea for a thread would be: what episode caused you to stop watching KON and why. For me it was "Wild Horses". That Kate would deny her family the priviledge of seeing a rainbow (free) and her wimp of a husband giving in to her did it for me.

Penni said...

cdnmom47 said:

Also, does everyone remember the twins' birthday? The one when Mady had the meltdown when she got off the bus?

I've often thought that the reason she was so upset that day was that she saw the film crew there, and it angered her. I truly believe that kid is smarter than the average bear and doesn't like to perform like a trained seal for the cameras...because she doesn't have the ability to express herself verbally (none of the children seem to have that ability...probably due to the fact that it's not expected of them)...well, because of that, she has a meltdown. Just a thought.

You are exactly right on that presumption...In the morning of that day, Kate said that the twins wanted a birthday "with just the family" and to Mady that meant no cameras and to Kate it meant no friends. I believe that most of Mady's meltdowns are about the camera being there. Kate said that they are all having fun with it and when the fun stops, they will stop filming. Mady has never liked the cameras and it only makes it worse as the years go on that she must be being teased by her peers at school.

IT'S TIME (way past time)TO PULL THE PLUG...

Naj said...

I don't know what I find more disturbing: Having viewed the way Kate spoke to and threated Jon, or the rabid fans who make excuses for her behaviors.

I'm not perfect, but I do know when I've verbally crossed a line due to stress. Kate has gone far beyond that 'line' to pure meanness.

So, I guess we have a situation of people rationalizing horrific behaviors and trying to make light of them.

"Oh Kate wasn't being mean when she beat him with that baseball bat! Those were love taps."

I swear that's what I think everytime I read a 'oh, she's a little hard on him at times, but she loves him!'

JJ said...

Ramblin..on, if Jon is a giver and pleaser, that is his own personality trait (flaw?) and he can take responsibility for that as well.

wramblinwreck said...

"I think a lot of these women support Kate because they want to be her. They have all said they buy the same clothes, have the same haircut, and try to model themselves after her."

A lot of them also say they treat their husbands the same way Kate treats Jon, and it's no big deal. Incredibly, they also believe that the separation is all Jon's fault, and Kate is the innocent victim. No doubt, they'll be just as clueless when their own husbands announce one day that they've had enough.

As my DH says: Ignorance can be fixed; stupid is forever.

Shooka's Snoot said...

I love the idea of a "Which episode made you stop watching" thread. Maybe there should also be a thread for the "sheeple," or anybody that has pro-Gosselin comments. I don't know how blogs and websites work, though, if that's technically do-able.

Two things have killed this show: Money and Kate's meanness. There are two episodes that did me in.
#1-the baseball game. I expected the family to sit in regular seats, eat hotdogs, spill mustard on their matching shirts, maybe Kate would have a nervous breakdown over the mustard and have to take a few organic tranquilizers. . .I was not expecting a show about celebrities getting lavished with gifts in the luxury seats. That changed my perception of this show. It's one thing to get comped at Dutch Wonderland, or have special attention from the employees at a zoo. But to get fussed over by major league baseball players? A different level altogether. These are not regular folks anymore.

#2-The soup. Before this episode, if Kate yelled at Jon, it was because she was under immediate stress. She couldn't find him, a kid had wandered off, etc. Also, he spoke back to her. It wasn't totally lopsided.

In the episode where they got the new stove to make soup with, she just started yelling at him for no reason. There was no panic, no emergency. She wanted him out of the kitchen, and she spoke to him like he was garbage. He couldn 't even defend himself. They didn't laugh about it later, either, like they had in the previous arguing episodes.

I confess, I don't remember the rainbow incident in the pony episode.

goawayJandK said...

My kids have never even been left with a baby-sitter not named "Grandma" and even then never for longer than three hours. And I'm darn proud of that.


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Leaving your child(ren)with a responsible, caring baby sitter is not a bad thing.

Leaving your child(ren) for days on end because you don't want to be with them and then claiming you love your children is a bad thing.

Ummm's the word said...

How pathetic is this? There is actually a quiz you can take on Facebook called "Which Jon & Kate Plus 8 Character Are You?" Despite the fact that I would be freaked out by having a Facebook quiz about my family, the word "character" really stood out. Using the word character in reference to a tv show implies pretend, or made up. Obviously, even the creator of this Facebook quiz sees the unrealistic BS from this "Reality TV" show.

ramblin...on said...

JJ,

Maybe he is, he doesn't seem to be filming that much these days that could be a sign of change, starting to make his own decisions.

Aside from that, I don't like sticking up for him much.

It seemed some posters were so happy that Jon was going to take the kids off of the show. Poor Jon doesn't want to do the show...
He was only thinking of himself, how HE didn't like the paparazzi or being in public life, nothing to do with his kids.

Aah... feeling a little better now.

anne123 said...

The sheeple need to go post on Kate's love fest blog on TLC (total loser channel). This site is called "without pity" for a reason! Duh!

What About GWOP? said...

JD said...

I always put myself in the child's position.
Like, how awful it would be to go on the internet and see all the freakish talk about me and my parents.

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Do you apply that standard to the comments made here, or do you consider GWoP devoid of "freakish talk"? I certainly wouldn't want any of the Gosselin children to read many of the comments made here.

TandLMommy28 said...

my9cats said...
Another idea for a thread would be: what episode caused you to stop watching KON and why. For me it was "Wild Horses". That Kate would deny her family the priviledge of seeing a rainbow (free) and her wimp of a husband giving in to her did it for me.
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I would love to see this as a post as well. I was done when Kate didn't let the kids change into messy clothes to decorate cupcakes ON THEIR BIRTHDAY and then threw away their cupcakes without ever letting them eat them. I could not make excuses for her behavior anymore at that point. That was just plain cruel.

hoping the best for the kids said...

I think you guys are getting lots of comments like this because some people haven't "seen the light" yet and realized what a joke the show is. How many people out there can honestly say that they love the show these days? However, I do wonder what will happen down the road when/if the Gosselin children can ever read this site. Some of them might thank you guys for advocating for them, but some of them might not. It all depends I guess.

bedonenow said...

"I love the idea of a "Which episode made you stop watching" thread."

shookas snoot - thank you! I was already calling it the "Kate Show" and had passed on a few episodes. When I saw a promo for the baseball game epi I decided to tune in. How fun for the little ones to hear the crack of the bat, the cheers of the crowd, the peanuts and popcorn man coming, the little words of encouragement from other fans about "aww your first ballgame!" Instead they were secluded no where near the game and may as well have gone to a fancy sports bar to watch it on big screen TV. At least they would have been with other fans. Those kids were cheated. That was my last episode. I tuned in for a few minutes to see the new house. I was stunned at how angry, cold, and snotty Kate was and how frightened of her Jon and the kids were.

Reason I am not jealous: our very comfortable home on 3/4 acre is filled nearly every weekend with friends. We entertain ALOT, so sometimes we are a bit crowded and we love it!

Right said...

Hopefully, the reign of terror is over for the Gosselin children: FREE THE GOSSELIN 8 AND INSTEAD IMPRISON KATE !

5/29/2009 9:51 PM

Or this! Why did this intelligent comment get through?

meornotme said...

9:21 PM FRAUD POLICE Says:

A misrepresentation is any act by one person intended to deceive another. It includes statements known to be false when made, a promise made without any intention of performing it, and the intentional hiding of important information. A misrepresentation, whether made orally or in writing, is much more than mere puffing. It is a statement of a material fact designed to deceive another person into parting with something of value. It is the use of deception to obtain a donation which might not otherwise be made. In a word, it is cheating.

A donor solicited by a charitable organization has a right to believe what he or she is told about the fund solicitation opportunity. It is the truth which generates the response and motivates donors to give freely. But if untrue statements are made to donors or if the statements made are literally true but are used to create a false impression, the donor is deceived. The deception has come to be known as "donor fraud" or "charitable misrepresentation."


Saw this comment on another board about the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

The whole situation is just SO SAD....

They had issues to begin with. She was a domineering witch even before they had kids, and he was an underachieving pushover. Having 8 kids (in two pregnancies) would strain any marriage. And topping it all off with a reality-show? WTF did they expect? And then COMPLAINING that they've lost their privacy?! Paging Captain Obvious....

I don't watch the show and I'm glad I haven't wasted my time on it. If viewers stop watching the show, the cash cow will dry up and the Gosselins will fade mercifully into obscurity.

jojow said...

Honestly, I say...let them through. As long as they don't contain vulgar language, I think some insight into the minds of fans is a worthy exploration.

I also think it is important to give the other side a say so their comments can be addressed - and refuted.

TandLMommy28 said...

Jon Too said...

RuthinVA said...

Kate knew from the get go how Jon was. To use his lackadaisical attitude as an excuse for the way in which she treats him is just idiotic.

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Same applies to Jon. He knew from the get go who he was marrying. To use her behavior as an excuse for him allegedly cheating, as many here have done, is equally idiotic.

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that's not true at all. That's not how abusive spouses work. They are nice until you marry them. THere are warning signs,yes, but they don't start out as abusive as Kate became to Jon over time. One of my best friends is married to an emotionally abusive man and she said she didn't really see it coming but on their honeymoon he started being mean to her and over the years it has escalated to the point that she is ready to pack her kids in the middle of the night and RUN.

I don't approve of Jon's cheating. But I am tired of people having no compassion for the abused spouse aspect. If you haven't lived it yourself or watched someone you love go through it, you have no idea what it's like, how painful it is and how hard it is to try to disagree with the controlling/abusive spouse. it will drive you to do things you couldn't imagine.

Jon Too said...

Honestly, I say...let them through. As long as they don't contain vulgar language, I think some insight into the minds of fans is a worthy exploration.

I also think it is important to give the other side a say so their comments can be addressed - and refuted.

5/31/2009 7:40 PM
Anonymous TandLMommy28 said...
that's not true at all. That's not how abusive spouses work. They are nice until you marry them. THere are warning signs,yes, but they don't start out as abusive as Kate became to Jon over time. One of my best friends is married to an emotionally abusive man and she said she didn't really see it coming but on their honeymoon he started being mean to her and over the years it has escalated to the point that she is ready to pack her kids in the middle of the night and RUN.

I don't approve of Jon's cheating. But I am tired of people having no compassion for the abused spouse aspect. If you haven't lived it yourself or watched someone you love go through it, you have no idea what it's like, how painful it is and how hard it is to try to disagree with the controlling/abusive spouse. it will drive you to do things you couldn't imagine.

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First, you don't know me so please don't assume that I know nothing about the subject. Your assumption is incorrect, by the way. Second, I don't agree that Jon is an abused spouse. Third, you cannot generalize about all relationships based on your friend's experience. The reality is that neither of us knows what Kate was like before she married Jon because we don't know her. So for you to claim that something "isn't true" is ridiculous. Your take, my take...it's all opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

Meg said...

I'm just tired of hearing that they have to keep doing this show so they can pay for college.

If it's true that they get paid fifty thousand an episode, I'd say college is taken care of.

Even if it's not, I'd say that a loan-free college education isn't worth having all of America watch your family fall apart.

I have plenty of sympathy for both parents-I really do-but there really is no rational explanation for continuing with this show when their family is in such tatters, and it is going to be a Lasting, permanent, painful memory for their children-preserved in dvd collections all over America.
There is no amount of money worth doing this to your kids-and the "college is so expensive," excuse has worn plenty thin.

On a completely different note, I have pcos myself. I don't have access to Kate's medical records, obviously, but it's a quite common condition, and it's not usually remedied with IVF (at least not these days). It's related to insulin resistance, and many women conceive naturally after lowering their blood sugar (drugs commonly used to treat diabetes are often a first-course of treatment these days).
I have two boys, and I had them one at a time!
I'm not saying this to judge Kate. Her condition was probably very different, but I can imagine someone newly diaganosed with pcos thinking, "Oh, no-I have to have six!" which is why I thought I'd throw that out.
Really-you don't!
Take care, everyone!

Lynn said...

Sheeple are an amazing lot. After watching aprox 13 hours a year for 4 years, the believe that they know the Gosselins inside and out. They are 100% sure that Jon did not cheat, even with the evidence. They dress like them, model themselves after them and are most likely one of those people who sit in their cars at the Gosselin home waiting to get a peek at them. They also make those video tribute pages to the kids and Jon & Kate. I saw one site where people actually pick out clothing for the kids!! You can usually tell a Sheeple by the fact that they say things like "stfu" and "f-off". So polite. They are just so obsessed they become violent.

Sheeple are more than a fan..it's an obsessed fan which would scare me to death. They have lost the ability to tell fact from fiction. The truth can be staring them in the face and they will still deny it. As I said, Sheeple scare me and they are one of the reasons Kate has a bodyguard. I especially love how they shoot down what Kevin & Jodi have to say because they are liars....how on earth do the Sheeple know this? From their 13 hours a year of watching the show vs Kevin's whole life with Kate????

timeforclosure said...

First time poster....Did anyone notice that Mr. Gray is NOT wearing a wedding ring in the photos in NC, is this normal, does he always go around without his wedding ring? Does anyone know?

I HATE EVERYBODY! said...

I think if would be fun if for just one day you let the comments thru. There are some really good debaters on this blog and it would be a great read.

I for one would take the day off work to observe.

Maude said...

Okay, I have a confession to make. Please be gentle, and if there is anyone out there who can absolve me of my sin, I'd be most grateful.

The necklace, the floating diamond necklace she wears all the time now, I've been coveting that necklace for YEARS! YEARS!
First time I saw a picture of Hate wearing it, I felt a little... you know... that word the Sheeple love to throw at us. The J word.

Sigh... its not really a confession unless I say it...jealous. Just a little.

That witch gets everything she wants all at the expense of her children!

She has SCAMMED people and companies out of money and merchandise, and still, gets what she wants! The house, the vacations, the jewelry, the plastic surgeries, whatever she wants, BAM, she gets it! She doesn't even WORK! She doesn't even RAISE her own CHILDREN. She doesn't even write the books she makes millions from!


My sister-in-law got one of those necklaces for her birthday and never wears it because "it doesn't go with anything". Ugh! It goes with jeans and a tee shirt for crying out load!

Sorry, I'm done. I'll try to be good now, and get back on track.

Save the Children!

Naj said...

Lynn said...
You can usually tell a Sheeple by the fact that they say things like "stfu" and "f-off". So polite. They are just so obsessed they become violent.

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Oh, you forgot "you're jealous!"

It's odd how viewers of this 'family' TV show about a 'Christian' family are verbally some of the foulest mouths on the net!

That REALLY paints the Gosselins in an ugly light. TLC--- Good batch a fans you drummed up for this one.

Naj said...

I HATE EVERYBODY! said...
I think if would be fun if for just one day you let the comments thru. There are some really good debaters on this blog and it would be a great read.

I for one would take the day off work to observe.

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Granted, there would need to be a large degree of snark allowed to pass by the mods.

When you're dealing with a 'you're jealous' poster, its hard not to respond in a pithy manner.

Just sayin'. :)

wramblinwreck said...

"Honestly, I say...let them through. As long as they don't contain vulgar language, I think some insight into the minds of fans is a worthy exploration."


Please, mods, DON'T let this site get bogged down in crazy sheeple comments. There are plenty of other sites on the web that cater to the sheeple POV, so anyone who wants to debate them or who's curious about acquiring insight into that mind-set need only do a quick search to find all the debate opportunities/insight anyone could handle! ;)

Serena said...

Please, mods, DON'T let this site get bogged down in crazy sheeple comments.

Don't worry, not gonna happen.

BarbMae said...

Have you seen the lates pictures? Oh my oh my. Kate on "vacation" with the kids (oh by the way TLC cameras were there, oh another episode being filmed)so is wasn't a "vacation". Kate in that bikini on the beach, I bet Steve really enjoyed this bodyguard assignment. Remember the nice little one piece she wore last year by the pool and beach w/Jon. I'm sure Kate wasn't taking the kids in the ocean like Jon did last year. What a difference. But, again, the kids looked miserable. Not happy at all. I think they miss Jon alot and the only time Mom is around is when the bodyguards, cameras are around. I wonder who the girl is that is with them? Not-a-nanny or Not-a-helper? I said it before for someone who says she wants to be left alone, why on earth would you wear a orange bikini on the beach w/a man (bodyguard), who you deny any hanky panky with and have the TLC cameras. This whole mess makes me sick. The twins look so miserable and it looks like the only one that makes Kate smile is hmmmm Hannah? Go figure.

GLadys said...

Kate failed the parenting test when, in response to increasing and unwelcome attention because of the show, she hired bodyguards instead of shutting the whole production down. If I was doing anything that brought unwanted attention to my kids I would stop it IMMEDIATELY. Instead she feels the need to just ramp up the security and keep going. To make matters worse, she comes off as needing the extra security for herself only and NOT the kids?

Remember the footage of Princess Diana confronting the paparazzi when they tried to film her and her sons at that ski resort? She was like a mother bear when she went over to them and asked them to leave her kids alone - she even tried covering the camera lens. She knew that she couldn't avoid the spotlight that was on her, but she tried like hell to shield her kids from it. That was what a mother should do. Now that this train wreck of a show has gotten out of control, Kate should be shielding her kids from the limelight right now. She should have canceled that farce of a birthday party down at the first sign of the paparazzi. To hell with the show and TLC. Instead she just blew them off and continued to complain about how tired she was and how long the party was, etc. She was NOT a mother bear protecting her cubs, she was just an indifferent mom letting her kids be filmed by vultures (yet she so adamant about people making money off of her kids. Guess that only applies to loving family members).

Yes, Kate, you totally lack good judgment and if there were licenses issued for parenting, you should have yours revoked for life.

Wow said...

marylou said...
Wrong church. Craig Yoshihara was Associate Minister at Roswell United Methodist Church in Georgia.

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Wow - if I got a letter/e-mail like that, I would be forwarding it to United Methodist Church headquarters.

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Great idea. Let me know if you need the info. My mom is a minister in the UMC in the Atlanta area and she would totally know who to contact.

Naj said...

Gladys Said:
Yes, Kate, you totally lack good judgment and if there were licenses issued for parenting, you should have yours revoked for life.

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A mother's primary job is to protect her kids. So I am furious when I see women who ignore their prime directive so to speak. Kate is not only not protecting her kids but throwing them to the wolves for her own gain.

Sister Snark said...

I watched a few episodes here and there and usually ended up changing the channel after half or less because all those kids ever did was whine and cry and bicker. I did watch the season premier and all I can say is wow. That family is breaking down or totally broken down and TLC is airing it for all the world to see. It is sick and so very wrong.

To be honest I feel sorry for each and ever member of that family. This show has destroyed not just the nuclear Gosselin family but damaged the extended family as well. Those poor kids will have to live with this legacy for the rest of their lives. Just imagine what it will be like when little Colin is applying for a job and in the interview all he is asked about is are you THE Colin Gosselin? The possibility of all of those kids being tabloid fodder as they grow up and start dating, drinking and making mistakes is always there and even if the show shuts down today and no more episodes air ever again so much damage has been done that I cannot imagine that these kids will ever have a normal life unless they change their names.

Elle Rose said...

I believe that the reason the diehard Sheeple remain so rigid in their loyalty to Kate is because people, in general, HATE to be wrong. Especially people who have become really heavily invested in their cause, and especially once it becomes part of their identity. The people who are still driving around my small, conservative town with "W" stickers on their cars come to mind. I think that it's a very fascinating aspect of social psychology that some people (although the ranks MUST be dwindling) are still defending Kate Gosselin. Dogmatism, anyone? I believe that in actuality the sheeple diehards are probably VERY deeply disturbed by recent events, and that tiny niggling voice that always whispered, "what if I'm wrong?" when Kate screamed at her kids or slapped her husband or blatantly lied, has become louder and louder. Some of them, those whose minds still have a flicker of rational and/or independent thinking, will jump ship. They are able to psychologically cut their losses. Some of them have no problem admitting they were wrong or even gullible (I admire that quality). The leftovers are covering their ears and screaming "na na na" to drown it out. They'd support Kate if she starred in her own porn with Mr. Grey and sold each kid on ebay. I almost feel sorry for them, in a way. Almost.

Glades said...

Dear Ellie,

I know its IUI, I remember the episode where they talk about it. I was in a hurry, as in headed out the door to work, and put IVF...if you read the actual post, you understood the point I was making. IUI or IVF, they had to choose to undergo either one. I'm a supporter of both--with the caveat that if you make decisions you have to live with the consequences both the good and bad.

Their children are good consequences but this show seems to have a lot of bad consequences (i.e. backlash, breaking up a family, etc...) that they didn't seem to anticipate.

jen in pa said...

Jen's Blog said:

Relax and have a healthy dialogue with both sides getting the chance to speak. That's something that will benefit all involved.
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There is no "healthy dialogue" when it comes to the exploitation of minor children. On our home page you will find links called "Who We Are" and "What We Want". These points are not negotiable.

Heidi said...

The sheeple will fight for their cause with their last dying breathe.
There are other things that you do on a Monday night besides watch Jon and Kate Plus 8. It is not like it is the ONLY thing on television. The sheeple people want the show to continue because they themselves are selfish. If they had it their way (and probably Kate wishes too), this show would be on the air until each of the kids walks down the aisle to their graduations.
Having a camera in front of your face your entire life is NOT normal no matter how you spin it!

machinegunsmom said...

It's GWoP's fault they "might" be getting divorced? Gosh, I feel really bad...but I don't think it's going to happen if Kate truly did draw up a secret contract allowing them to cheat on each other as long as they stayed together for the sake of fame and freebies.

I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up that an investigation is being launched to determine whether or not they're following child labor laws.

Two more details: I know I'm not the only one on here who's NOT a stay-at-home mom and if I did have such an opportunity, I don't think I'd spend 20 out of 31 days on a book tour away from my child(ren). I don't think I COULD.

And Jon "made a few bad choices?" I don't feel that bad for Kate in this situation but in a normal marriage, cheating on your wife and the mother of your litter isn't probably something to be easily overlooked...

Jennifer D said...

I think the thing many people miss about Kate's anger is this:

She is not mad about the other woman (women?)

She is mad that he was stupid about it. She is mad that he confided in Kevin and Jodi. She is mad that it was brought out in the public and making her look like the woman scorned. She is only mad about the bad PR!

ISABELLA said...

I STUMBLED ACROSS THIS WEBSITE MANY MONTHS AGO WHEN I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST ME HAVING THESE SAME OPINIONS ABOUT J$K PLUS 8. I USED TO WATCH THIS SHOW WITH MY TWO CHILDREN WHO RELATED TO THE THINGS THESE CHILDREN WERE DOING. HOWEVER, NEEDLESS TO SAY WE DO NOT SHARE THE SAME LIVES ANYMORE. AS AN OBGYN NURSE FOR THE PAST 10 YEARS, I CAN HONESTLY SAY WE DO IUI'S ON A REGULAR BASIS, AT LEAST TWO TO THREE PER WEEK AND THE WOMEN WHO GO THROUGH THIS DO NOT ALWAYS GET PREGNANT AND THE FORTUNATE ONES WHO DO ONLY HAVE ONE BABY NOT SIX, I HAVE ALSO EXPERIENCED WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD IVF AND THERE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE MUCH THE SAME. WOMEN WITH FERTILITY PROBLEMS DO NOT ON AN AVERAGE HAVE SIX CHILDREN THEY ARE LUCKY TO CARRY ONE BABY. SO ANYONE GOING INTO THIS WHO DOES NOT HAVE FERTILITY PROBLEMS WOULD MOST LIKELY CONCEIVE MULTIPLES DUE TO OVERSTIMULATION.

Dianna said...

I had a discussion forum for a few years but being bombarded by trolls (yes, there is such a thing) made me close it. I know what it's like to weed though all the uglies everyday! It's not easy and it takes a lot of hard work and dedication. Just know you are appreciated and that all of YOUR (everyone behind the scenes of GWOP) hard work and dedication hasn't gone unnoticed!

wendyzr said...

If she is sending "p-people" to where ever she and the kids go then she is really messing with their safety. Who cares if she has her boyfriend around?

lukebandit said...

more recipes for kate's cookbook:

laundry room floor sick child chili

belly button bisquits

KON's Korean Kasherole

Jiggly, Wiggly "Tummy Tuck" Jello

Jonny Cakes

Neild Noodle Stroganoff

Bodyguard Brownies

Organic Loco-pops

Rooster Angel Hair Pasta

Egg Implants

Tangerine Pork Skins

Get Rid of the Upright Piano Pecan Pie

Free Carpet Canoles

Shokamoka Chocolate Shake

Nala ala mode

Shoka's Snout Snappies

Nala's Nectarine Fruit Salad

Crayola "Not on my Watch" Cranberry Crush

Charm City Cake freebies

Humorous Hummel Cups

Yogurt Here, Yogurt There, Yogurt Everywhere

Fraud is in the mix.
by Kate Gosselin

perfume by Kate:

inno-cents

Cherier1 said...

Queenemi said...
I personally love Kate and know lots of people who do. I think that it shows how people really talk to each other when the stress is on and no one is watching. ..."

Do you speak to your partner as Kate speaks to Jon? I don't and I think most others do not as well. Do not confuse her behavior with normal behavior. She is not a role model.

Have you considered that she speaks to him that way when millions ARE watching? What, then, is it like in their home when the cameras are off and she isn't monitoring herself at all?? I tend to think it's probably much worse.

emjem24 said...

The sad thing about all of this is that Americans will watch just about anything. Networks now have cashed in on reality tv shows and the human lives that turn into train wrecks. Gee, what would we be as a society without American Idol, Big Brother, Survivor, and now this show?

Yes, I admit that I've watched all of these shows in the past. However, unlike the clueless "critic" of this website (which looks at what's really important- the kids of J&K), I can honestly admit that I think they not only exploit human foibles but also exploit people in the endless quest for money, fame, and notoriety.

I mean, when does it end? This whole genre. It does get boring after a while. Where's the newness, realism, or relevancy in any of these shows? After the 4th season of J&K or the umpteenth season of American Idol, Survivor, or Big Brother, are we seeing anything that's any different? Or are we just watching the same old shows come up with the same old tired, cliched ways to debase humanity and exploit humam vanity (uh, yeah this is for you Kate), weakness, selfishness, greed, etc.

I think reality television is a testament of how humanity is stuck on itself. We are fascinated by ourselves and people we "think" we know, can relate to, or want to be like. Or we rationalize it by saying, "oh, it's only for entertainment purposes." I know I have. Haven't you?

I think all these shows are generally unoriginal, do nothing to advance civilization, or make television unpalatable for families. And that's just the way the passive bobbleheads of America want it. Just so they don't have to think about their own sorry lives, choices, or general direction the country has taken in general.

Jay said...

America is a beautiful country. You can become a millionaire by working hard, investing wisely, invent a new product, win the lottery, or ny just doing something that has been done since the beginning of time - having babies.

Whether you are for or against the concept/idea, the fact still remains that if we all weren't watching and interested, there would be no show. Do they allow this sort of thing to go on in other countries, or is it only the USA that is so lucky?

A Mom-ynous said...

"Have you considered that she speaks to him that way when millions ARE watching? What, then, is it like in their home when the cameras are off and she isn't monitoring herself at all?? I tend to think it's probably much worse."

I have heard by several different folks who have been on a reality television show that after a while it becomes like the cameras are not even there.

I am speaking about adults in this instance and not the children.

I don't nor have ever believed that Kate "held back" just for the sake of the cameras.

I think her explosive outburts became more common as she became more comfortable with the camera's presence and didn't treat it like an instrusive presence.

Folks on Big Brother and Survivor have made comments such as these. Even American Idol contestants over their season metamorphosis report the same thing as you can see by their evolution.

I don't know--I just never got the idea in my head that Kate EVER held back anything.

Dew said...

As others have said, vacations won't be remembered from when you were four years old. But what will be processed and remembered internally is that you rarely saw your parents, and spent more time bonding with nannies and bodyguards and a camera crew, all of whom you haven't seen in years and will likely never see again, than your own mother and father, who you are stuck with for life. Imagine sharing your most special childhood moments with a nanny you love and adore and depend on because your parents are too busy with their celebrity lives, then having that person ripped from you forever.

ICExploitation said...

Hey did Stevie guard Clinton in shorts and flip flops?

IF (big IF) this guy was as LEGITIMATE as he CLAIMS, then he's just lost all his credibility.

My thoughts? He probably "met" Clinton, but never guarded him.

Does anyone remember when Tonya Hardings' "bodyguards" attacked Nancy Kerrigan? Turns out the "security team" consisted of community college drop outs, war game playing and gym going losers.

Who thinks Mr. Gray is of the same ilk?