Al from Reading Is Back

Al used to blog for the Reading Eagle and is now independent. He's back with a story about Kate here.

72 comments:

SaNdY said...

That was great!! So Kate had the astounding ability to stop the presses!! She called the newspaper to stop writers/bloggers from speaking the truth about her and her brood as it was 'snatching baby formula out of her starving multiples' mouths.' Wow...just wow....another reason why the people in that area hate her...

tallblonde said...

So much for "freedom of the press"....!!!

Glad Al from Reading is back to shed a little light on the "Unmentionables"!!!

my9cats said...

Just who the hell is Kate Gosselin to be able to have such power over the media, fans, et al?
It boggles the mind.
One would think she is the preident or queen.
Why should she get a pass on not having her life exposed for the fraud she is?

kate is a cocky bitch said...

I loved the post by Al. BTW did anyone see the high school pics of Jon? Although I am no fan of TMZ, I thought the pictures said a lot about his personality. I wouldn't be surprised if they dug up Kate's high school yearbook next. Maybe she was voted class witch.

SkippyMom said...

What exactly has this woman done for the state of PA that she can [or think she can] wield this kind of power over the press?

Who are they related to/know that they were forbidden to write anything that wasn't glowing regarding the G-family back in 2005.

Absolutely amazing.

My favorite part of the whole article is when he points out that they know to keep this farcical show on they are they have to drum up some sort of "scandal" and here TLC has gone. They have marathon of past shows going on all weekend because they are in the tabloids to lead up to the season opener on Monday.

They need to find some new viewers because this gravy train is going to be drying up pretty soon. Our country has had quite enough of liars and overpaid shills [think GM and the banks].

I wish this stupid show would end.

ROFL said...

Do you guys think she still calls newspapers/mags when they print something negative? Here's a new name for Katie Irene:

H.B.I.C.

Head Bitch in Charge - LOL!

Pink said...

Fantastic article from Al! Wish he would consider sending his story onto all of the sponsors of the show. Just look what Kate did to Gymboree, by abusively hogging the free clothing deal they had presented to her. Per the Gymboree spokeswoman herself, Kate would leave their store with armfulls of clothes, so they now send her a $1000 gift card each month. WHAT??? That is still an unbelievable deal for her. Stop the madness people. The Gosselins' can more than afford to pay for their own clothing, furniture, food, and well, the list is just too long to go into.

NVMomof3 said...

Jon and Kate Plus 8 - Marriage counseling if TV deal is extended: Kate

Unconfirmed reports emanating from the blog world suggest Kate Gosselin, star of Jon and Kate Plus 8 and What Hairstyle Is That?, has asked for two more seasons of the TV show that documents her life to be agreed to by cable station TLC.

The price she'll have to pay for that deal? Agreeing to go to marriage counseling with her seemingly estranged husband Jon, according to the National Enquirer.

The Florida-based tabloid is reporting TLC insiders say Gosselin initially refused counseling completely, despite the shambolic state of her marriage, but agreed to the sessions only if she would get another two seasons of TV fame.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Entertainment/Kate+Plus+Marriage+counseling+deal+extended+Kate/1621399/story.html

KB said...

I agree with all these things about Kate, but at the time when she was asking for those things, they were "celebrity" by the default of having the sextuplets. I don't think much of them at all, so don't get me wrong here. Just trying to be a bit more practical about it all. It's all nice to say now in hindsight how dare they ask for such things, but if they didn't asked and received them all the same would we have a problem with it. It's likely considering their financial situation at the time, which was not likely to improve with having to care for 8 children, particularly 6 newborns, that people were asking them what could they do to help. A natural human response and rather than get things they didn't need they chose to voice what they did need. They may have even been encouraged by others to voice their needs considering the situation. Do I think Kate is calculating person? Yes, Do I think she was being that calculating then? No, not maliciously. I htink at the time, and as people know who saw the show from early on she was only "calculating" how to care and rpovide for these children. So she asked for a van, so what?! It doesn't change the fact that it is what they needed and would anyone begrudge not just them, but more specifically any parent who sought to protect their children. I certainly wouldn't. Personal example, a cousin who already had one child and prior to giving birth to twins, realised that her car was not safe or practical for not only two infants, but for three children total, nor was her husband's. The twins were unexpected and they had carefully planned for this second child, not two additional children. They furthermore could not afford to now purchase the van that not only they needed for their children, in terms of their personal safety, but also as the piece of mind it would provide for them as parents in caring and providing for their children. Amongst the family, we knew the situation and they expressed their anxiety over it, they weren't even given the chance to ask, because another family member who was in the process of buying a newer bigger car for her family, willing gave her former van to this cousin of hers. My cousin was grateful and admitted only later that she and her husband were on the verge of asking for help from others because it wasn't for themselves they were asking for assitance but for their children, the innocent people in everything, who deserve to be protected. If Kate and Jon needed assitance at the time for their children, aren't you glad they asked for it? I am, I'd hate to think of children going without because their parents didn't have the courage to ask for help. It can be terribly embarrassing to admit you need help at times and especially that you can't provide basic things to your children. A 15-passenger van may seem extreme to some, but is it not neccessary in terms of caring for those children? I believe it is. I understand the request for a 13 not 15-passenger size, if you think very practically they need the space, it's easy to see that when there are 8 children, a lot needs to be brought depending upon where you are going and what you are doing. It also provides them the space and ability to have other passengers along, like Kevin and Jodi's children or care-takers to help in the car. In alot of these large passenger vans, there is often very little "trunk" space so to speak and often if you are using those vans to not only care people but their belongings, it works far better to remove a back row. I'm not trying to defend them or their actions, but trying to look at it them asking for things shortly after their children's births from a different perspective and one not in the context of the current debate.

KB said...

All i can say as a final comment to my long post just before, I'd be upset too if someone critized me as a parent trying to ask for things that my children need. Is nannies one of those things, certianly not, there are always others you can turn to for that type of hands-on help. It certainly surprises me she would have asked for that in the first place considering how she is about people.

AnneMarie said...

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I'm not trying to defend them or their actions, but trying to look at it them asking for things shortly after their children's births from a different perspective and one not in the context of the current debate.
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The difference was the COULDN'T afford the TWO they already HAD, but went on to have "just one more" knowing it wouldn't be ONE.

Then they asked for things BEFORE the kids were born.

And welcome back AL !

djembé said...

I'd be upset too if someone critized me as a parent trying to ask for things that my children need

They didn't just ask for needs, they demanded things that weren't necessities such as matching cribs. They complained if what they were given wasn't good enough.

Mature adults don't choose to have children that they won't be able to afford.

NVMomof3 said...

Jon Gosselin - Biggest Flirt of 1995 (TMZ)

http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/22/jon-gosselin-biggest-flirt-of-1995/

machinegunsmom said...

Ahaha..."manatee-size folds of skin..." I was sooo pissed when Jon acted visibly repulsed by her postbaby body back in the day, but I don't so much care about Kate's "feelings" these days.

KB said...

I agree, matching cribs are ridiculous! Cribs, yes, they are necessary, but asking for the matching just reinforces what we already know about the woman - she's crazy! Isn't asking for things prior to the six being born somewhat sensible, you don't just bring them home and then decide, hey we have nothing! A little preparedness is the responsible thing to do. But like I said, even the nanny thing is weird.

I'm not a fan of these people and feel for these children and the exploitation they are currently suffering from and will continue to suffer in the future even if the show dropped off the tv tomorrow. If it's not Kate exploiting them, someone else may well do the same in the future to these children. I already cringe at the thought of any of these children parading themselves around on MTV, which seems like a sadly likely future inevitability for them. Afterall, the "Real World" would be nothing compared to what they are currently living.

I agree completely, having children you can't care for is irresponsible. But sometimes there are things out of your control and some people don't believe in reduction. There are people who have less and worse situations than those two who make things work, but clearly it didn't work for them, especially when all the financially responsibility rested on Jon as with 6 newborns working wasn't really practical for Kate. But anyway, they were trying for, or so they claim, for "only one more." Is multiples a possibility? Yes, an extremely rare one. Ask anyone who has been through those same treatments and they will tell you that you are likely to only conceive 1 child if they happen to work for you. As for criticsing Kate and Jon about not trying longer, I don't know the medical history there. Personally, all i know is one friend who has known since she was a teenager that her odds of getting pregnant are slim to none without the help of medical-science and even then there are no real guarantees for her. Kate claims on the show she always worried about that and it was confirmed true so they went that avenue. Do i believe all that, no, not necessarily. But like i said not privy to her medical history nor do i care to be. I do think Jon had no choice when it came to that 2nd pregnancy, he's expressed that he was happy with what they had, which again just reinforces her calculating and manipulative nature.

Midwest Mom said...

posted by: KB " All i can say as a final comment to my long post just before, I'd be upset too if someone critized me as a parent trying to ask for things that my children need."

KB, babies "need" cribs to sleep in.
So, generous people at Kate's dad's church donated 6 cribs for the sextuplets.

Kate refused the cribs because THEY DIDN'T MATCH EACH OTHER.

That goes way beyond "need".

I think you are confusing "need" with "want".

SundayRose said...

KB, although you went into much detail about how you support Kate and Jon's approach in asking for handouts, I respectfully disagree with your case.

You wrote, "So she asked for a van, so what?!"

Well, that's quite a lavish request to make of the community, and as I recall, they boldly begged for a brand new van with 5 more seats than they even needed. I guess your post shows how some rationalize their support of this family.

I don't believe in begging from others, and instead believe people are responsible for supporting themselves. It think expecting so much from others is shameful. I doubt any of those giving people in that Pennsylvannia community have ever seen repayment for their generosity.

Bottom line.....they could NOT afford 6 more babies, but went ahead with it anyway and started asking for handouts weeks before the babies were even born. And yes, of course Kate knew she was creating more than one baby, but that has already been discussed, and I don't want to dredge that up again.

overwithKON said...

I have to say! Welcome Back Al! You know how it is, and keep printing it! Kate is CRAZY!

Harriet said...

My issue with them is that they begged for matching cribs, matching expensive new clothes, and things exactly as Kate wished them. They turned down non-matching cribs, used although clean and serviceable clothing, and asked to have their bills paid all while they had money in the bank. The kids were never, ever in danger of going hungry. That was just more of Kate's exaggeration. They were begging and taking from people who had less than they did. That is what has people up in arms over them.

KB said...

I don't condone them in asking for things now, that's outrageous! I was only talking about when they had the six and about not denying those children of what they need. I could care less about Jon and Kate and them getting things they need, but I do believe in them getting what they need for properly caring for those children as I do for anybody from 1 child to however many. Although you should be responsible for your children yourself - duh! I think it's terrible the way Kate goes on about money and then dresses the children in brand new clothes, I wonder how many coupons she used for those? Or perhaps they were all gifts from other people. It's perfectly plausible to go to a thrift store and not have the kids match, or there's something called hand-me-downs! Although i suppose that all goes against Kate's finer sensibilties and aesthetics! Even Kevin and Jodie have recently come out to state what a self-indulgent brat she is, as after all she acts like a child.

KB said...

Haha, totally just remembered who her behaviour reminds me of!

The Queen of Hearts!

"Off with your head!"

Does that not make complete sense?!

Haha, and if you watch the Disney version of the film the king is very much like Jon, taking his wife's abuse, both physical and especially verbal.

No one dares to cross the Queen of Hearts - the name is wonderfully ironic too, as they both lack one!

djembé said...

I was only talking about when they had the six and about not denying those children of what they need.

The Gosselin children were never at risk of being denied what they needed. Kon was not asking out of need, but out of greed. They had inheritance money in the bank while begging for help paying bills and providing for their children.

JustaRegularGirlHere said...

Two things on my mind (and by the way, this guy is one great blogger!):

1) Did I actually read somewhere that Kate has it in her head that she is owed certain compensations for having multiples because we, as a society, allow or support the use of fertility drugs? Where oh where does she come up with these ideas about entitlement? Crazy!

2) Not a question, but just an observation. I guess I come from a different set of rules (and parents), but I was taught to take care of one's own self and not expect a bailout from anybody else. It has something to do with PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. My folks never borrowed things from the neighbors; if they needed something, they'd go find it or buy it (and not impose on others). My husband even goes a step further, in that he never complains, is never a whiner and, if there's a problem or something that needs to get done, he just quietly solves it and does it.

The Gosselins think we NEED to be involved in their private family dilemmas. They have a grandiose sense of themselves. It's really pretty laughable as time goes by (although, of course, THEY are laughing all the way to the bank).

Jon and Kate are not unique just because they have a lot of kids. My aunt had triplets back in the 1940s; big deal. My uncle just got her a little help with the housework for a short time and they managed just fine (she had an older child as well). Of COURSE it was a handful to have three babies in diapers at the same time, and I realize Kate had double that many but, still, my aunt and uncle didn't ask for anything from anybody. They didn't have matching cribs and, guess what, nobody seemed to mind; the babies' room was still lovely, with other matching accessories like lovingly-handsewn curtains and freshly-painted walls. I'm sure it couldn't compete with today's Pottery Barn catalog but, frankly, the focus was on the beautiful new babies and not the material things.

My opinion is that taking massive amounts of fertility drugs does not make you heroic. It's just something you're trying to work out with your doctor and science. I can speak about this because I took mega doses of ferility drugs myself. I didn't want, nor did I wind up with sextuplets but just because she did, does not make Kate the phenomenom (phenomeMOM) she perceives herself to be. It also does not mean that God loves Kate more than He does me.

Any of us who had a complicated pregnancy often and sometimes immediately went on bed rest. Kate touts this 30-weeks-on-bed-rest thing as if no one before her ever did that to save their pregnancies. I remember reading in an old magazine of how Sophia Loren, the actress, did almost the same thing back in the 1950s or 1960s. My friend did it early in her pregnancy to save her troubled twins in the womb. You'd think as a former nurse that Kate would know that "permanent" bed rest in complicated pregnancies is not so uncommon.

There's a desperation about Kate I can never quite dissect. She demands that we notice her and see things her way. She's opportunistic and arrogant. She'll say that everything she does is for her kids but who buys that line anymore? She makes weak attempts on the acting sofa to show humility but it's so transparent.

Wouldn't you think that going forth in the world, asking people to do things for you rather than what you can do for them would, after a while, make you feel just a little embarrassed at your selfishness?

I guess not if you think you're special. Kate thinks she's very, very special.

ajh said...

KB, I can see your point, but i do think that you are giving a bit more credit to the Gosselins than they deserve. The difference between your cousin and Kate is, your cousin gratefully accepted a used hand me down van that someone offered her. Kate would have been rude and demanded a new one.
I see this sort of sense of entitlement occasionally through my job, and it always bothers me. I work with families that have children with developmental disabilities. Most of the families are very grateful for the assistance that we can provide for them to make their child's life easier, but every once in awhile we get a family that thinks the world owes them because their child is disabled.
I had a parent once ask me to assist her to borrow a portable van ramp because they were going to Hawaii. I found one for her, but she called my boss to complain because it was not the exact brand/type she wanted. None of the places we used to borrow equiptment had that specific ramp, and she basically wanted my company to go out and buy the ramp she wanted and give it to the company that lent out equiptment to lend to her for the week she was going to be in Hawaii. then we found out that the only reason she even had a specific ramp in mind was because her aunt had one, but she didn't want to drive 1/2 an hour to go borrow it hrself. That's the type of self entitlement i beleive Kate probably has been displaying all along. she was offered many things that would meet her needs, they just didn't meet her specific wants.

Cathryn said...

Wow, that article is an eye-opener!

Though I believe Kate's behavior is (and has been) completely out of line, (matching cribs?? You'd think she's have much bigger things on her mind!) I am a bit surprised at how much criticism her decision to have more children is getting.

My child was not planned. We really can't afford her. But she's the best surprise we've ever had. Once people start drawing lines to determine who "should" have children and who "shouldn't" and how many, we start rolling down a slippery slope.

Those kids are here, and they're gorgeous. People helped the G's when they felt a desire to do so. All of this is fine!

Unfortunately, Kate and Jon have behaved with such greed and entitlement that they've embarrassed those who have donated time, money, stuff, and energy. The couple's decision to have children (in any quantity) doesn't bother me. The way they've manipulated others and exploited their children instead of LOVING them and cherishing their childhood, however, disgusts me.

KB said...

I agree I do think i give them too much credit, i think I sort of acknowledge that, but perhaps I didn't. I suppose it's the idea in me of trying to give their previous selves (prior to tv selves) the benefit of the doubt. Although i don't think Kate was all sunshine and lollipops by any stretch of the imagination I just think this whole media venture since the children were small as only brought more of it out in her or at least brought it more to the whole world's attention, sadly at the expense of the children.

alana said...

KB said:

"...but if they didn't asked (sic) and received them all the same would we have a problem with it."

NO! I wouldn't have a "problem" with people being generous and coming to the aid of a couple who needed help.
However, at the time the sextuplets were born the Greedlins already owned two vehicles. They had a sedan and a van which could easily accomodate two adults, six carseats, two booster seats (or two more carseats), in addition to storage room for kid stuff.
If it became necessary to travel in two vehicles, so what? All the more to be grateful for; worse things befall us when we're raising a family.

What I do have a problem with are people who immediately look outside of themselves every time they are faced with adversity. Whatever happened to "The Rugged Individualist", independent thinking, and making do with the resources you have at hand? That's a rhetorical question, of course, and this isn't the forum for me to spout off my theories in an attempt to answer it.

When I read your post, Pink, I got the feeling that anyone in need of something was a person in crisis, and when circumstances changed suddenly or outcomes didn't match the planned for expectations, an immediate call to action on the part of others went out; verbalized or not, alarm bells deemed a solution be forthcoming.

IMO, Take's life is just one big crisis after another. She is either incapable or unwilling to live "purposely" because she's in a constant state of manic drama. Everything is a disaster, each moment the sky is falling, every minute something else is ruined, wrong, or impossible. Each new challenge - fixing lunch and throwing clothes in the dryer - is another thorn in her side; no human being should be made to endure such unreasonable sacrifices. How much better her life would be IF the laundry room was bigger, better, and how much simpler, yes, easier for her, if those damn kids just didn't have to eat - ever! Someone must come and help her, someone appear now! to aid in her moment of need as she attempts to conquer the impossible, the ugly, the stupid necessary minutiae of life.
IMO, the Greedlins have never dealt with anything resembling a "problem" in their entire lives; they never look inward to themselves for solutions. Whether it's a child who needs to go to the Emergency Room or a child who simply needs help in the bathroom, the dramatic factor is huge and "someone else" must accept responsibility for dealing with it. Take is either too special or too exhaaaaausted or not even home to do it. She deserves not to have to face whatever it is that needs attending to. And, lest we forget, she's entitled to a pass, to having Yawn or the not-a-nanny filling in for her, to someone else taking her place when the going gets tough.
Why does it never occur to Hate to solve her own "problems"? Just a little effort on her part and if she can't figure it out, then ask for help from others. Having never been a fan of "The Quick Fix" myself, I think this one character flaw bothers me more than all of the others put together. The way Take consistently automatically and so thoughtlessly places ALL responsibility (and accountability) outward... makes me want to scream!

As for the rest of the world, people can be very creative and resourceful when left to their own devices; it bothers me when others rush in to fix them. Whether they're three or thirty-three, IMO, loved ones aren't doing them any favors jumping in to save them all the time; that's not how the real world works. And it's not very respectful.

A final thought on people who need things but don't ask. These are usually the people who write THANK YOU cards to those who have answered their unspoken pleas for help!

Golden Girl said...

I think the big complain most people have is that neither Kate nor Jon take responsibility for the fact that they chose to have their children. I'm not saying they shouldn't have - I have five kids, go big families! - but the facts clearly show that if they truly only wanted one more than they were rather irresponsible in how they went about it. They knew the risks when they began treatments. They should have avoided sexual intercourse until they knew how many follicles were developing. They didn't, obviously, and she got pregnant with 8 (to be fair to them, sperm can last up to five days in the body after sex, and so it is possible that they didn't know she had produced so many follicles prior to having sex).

Modern medicine is a wonderful thing and I'm glad that it helps people. But there is a responsibility that comes along with accepting treatments for any condition. In the end, it's your choice to participate or not. And that's why angers people -Kate makes it sound like it's the doctor's fault or society's fault that she got pregnant with 6. It was their choice, her's and Jon's. They knew the risks. They need to grow up and not expect that the world owes them a living. It doesn't.

thehazlettfamily said...

KB Said:
Isn't asking for things prior to the six being born somewhat sensible, you don't just bring them home and then decide, hey we have nothing! A little preparedness is the responsible thing to do.
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Despite asking for things before the kids were born, she admitted that they did not have cribs and had not even considered where the tups would sleep when they brought them home. Fortunately, the condo assn. where they stayed when bringing the tups home provided them.

Your family member did not demand a new van. They were grateful for the used one they received. That is the difference. Kate is not grateful for anything. Not her two beautiful healthy girls. Not her six healthy tups. After a year, with many volunteers, she asked for more help from the state. Help that could be better used on other ill children. The volunteers were more than capable of helping her. But she demanded that she have a skilled nurse to help her change diapers and feed the tups. That is not being grateful. I'm betting your cousin did not demand brand new matching clothes for the unexpected twins. She was probably grateful for whatever she received.

alana said...

Pink,

Sorry! I meant KB.

KB said...

I agree Kate's ungrateful, she's more than just that though. I made my opinion of her very clear I think.

I was intially merely trying to draw a line or some differentation between pre-TV show and post-TV show. Trying to give benefit-of-the-doubt i think and maybe trying to understand certain requests.

I do think Kate has always been like how we see her now, circumstances have merely magnified and she's allowed that unfortunate side of herself become all-encompassing.

Just Sayin' said...

The kids were never, ever in danger of going hungry.
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ITA. Kate calling the newspaper to complain that the columnist was "taking formula" out of her babies' mouths was ridiculous. With that many children and Jon having no job, they certainly would have qualified for WIC and food stamps for a while. Just as they qualified for the free nursing care from the state for a year. They had a lot of help from Jon's father. And a lot from the congregation at Kate's father's church...though that wasn't good enough for High Klass Kate.

Robin said...

I guess I'm a little confused KB...do you draw a line between pre-show Gosselins and post-show Gosselins, or do you think that Kate has always been as we see her now?

I agree that the pre-show Gosselins SHOULD have been different than they are now. They did need help from their community and their family and friends then.

But the problem is that their personalities have changed little since those days. Everytime I think about the demands they made it makes me sick - and not because I'm jealous of what they have; I've made the conscious decision to purchase LESS than what I could for my four children (we use hand-me-downs, buy from thrift shops and discount stores, have never purchased a name brand item of clothing, but could have afforded all new, name brand items for each child had we chosen to do so.)

Many of us have noticed this (and many other things) about the Gosselins since we first "met" them - it's just that now the general public is hearing about it.

Willow #1 said...

It just dawned on me you guys - K&J probably wanted a van with more seats than 10 because they wanted room for the extra "not-nannies". Why didn't they just say so??? Thats always the rub. The nerve of them is that they didn't have jobs and do the best they could and then graciously accept help - they just wanted help without doing anything for it. If they had actually had to put in hours at hard work for the cribs - I bet free ones would have looked a little better to them. They don't seem to grasp what most children would even grasp.!!

I am with all of you - Kate having power over a newspaper just fed into her ego. She is so busy orchestrating the big picture, she sadly cannot see the small picture - the day to day life of her kids.

letthechildrengo said...

I dont think people who are persuing infertility treatments for legitimate reasons should be offended by the comment in this article. It is strongly believed and perhaps some substantiating truth to the idea that Kate had the cycle canceled because of overstimulation and/or she took too much meds and caused this. I also have been thru IUI and I can tell you that even with the poor egg quality of an over 40 year old they keep tight tally on the follicles and would cancel if overstimulated. Basically I have more faith that the clinic did the right thing than I do that Kate did.

Mother of Two(couldn't afford more...) said...

University professors in the future will use Kate as a case study in Child Psychology 101 as an example of what NOT to do to have a psychologically healthy child. Likewise, law professors in the future will use the Jon and Kate saga as a case study for illegal use of child labor, illegal use of child wages for benefit of the parents, illegal use of fertility treatments, illegal EVERYTHING...

maria said...

During this marathon on TLC, I caught the very first one hour special. When Kate was talking about how much food they go through in a day, she was talking about how many ounces of formula and made sure to state that it was the concentrate. If they were so hard up for money, could she have at least purchased powder? I used formula for all three of my babies. I could have afforded concentrate, but it was so expensive that I didn't see the point. I just used the powder and mixed my own and save a LOT of money doing that. I bet if Kate had been paying for the formula hersself, she would have been buying the powder.

ajh said...

KB - I really can see what you're going for. I think it's human nature to try and see the best in people, to hope that they really couldn't be that bad or greedy. It would be nice to think that J&K in the beginning were just doing what they needed to do to survive, and just got corrupted by the $ or caught up in the whirlwind of the TV show. Possibly that's the way it was with Jon. Unfortunately, I think Kate was just greedy and entitled all along. I don't even think it's getting magnified, I think it's just getting noticed. Perhaps having so much success at it emboldened her a bit more, it just seems that with so many people coming out of the woodwork saying how things were even before the TV show. It was there all along.

kate'sthick said...

The kicker of it all is that when Kate called the newspaper bawling saying they had to quit printing anything negative about her family because it was taking the babies' "formula" out of their mouths...is most likely is a lie. On her part. WIC is a program for woman and children and if I'm not mistaken, formula is free on that and the Kate we know, would have been on that program.
I hope a volunteer in the know at the time steps forward and clears up her lies.

rockon, Al said...

The more people are clued into how Kate manipulated, the better they will see the light how the children are being exploited. Maybe others on TV who've made millions off of people's miseries will be outed for their true selves too.

KB said...

Robin,

In terms of relating to how they were then and how they are now, i think there is a bit of a difference, they have the means to do all these things now and yet still expect everything to be given to them. I was only trying to separate things a bit and not confuse the discussion of them with behaviour now on her/their part.

If you read my other posts in this discussion, I think I make it pretty clear that I think Kate was always the person we see now, i just think tv has put it on display to the world and she's happy to let it have completely consumed her. She believes what she does is right and how dare anyone tell her otherwise. I think that very much encompasses her entire attitude and personality- the Queen of Hearts! I think she was a more grateful person than she is now, not to say that she was a grateful person to begin with. She's one of those people who walks through life believing that she's #1 and therefore everyone else is meant to serve her, her children included.

IH8K8 said...

I wouldn't be surprised if Kate is still pulling strings at the Reading Eagle. As big as this thing has become, they have published very,very little about it. The recent "Talk of the Town" feature, in which they interviewed residents about J&K, featured the lamest comments I can imagine. Two comments said they don't follow the situation. Two said they don't watch the show, but heard about it from others and two basically said to leave the poor Gosselins alone. Seriously, that's the most interesting stuff they could find from the people of Berks County? I know how people around here feel about them (and it's much like GWOP), and I find it hard to believe that there weren't harsher comments that were censored from the feature.

If the Reading Eagle is bowing to Queen Kate, shame on them. That's pretty poor.

HereinNC said...

Hi everyone:

Mainstream media is asking flat-out about the child labor laws pertaining to the Gosselin kids. Hopefully this will start something. Here's the link to the brief article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20090524/en_top_eo/125497

Bella said...

"Modern medicine is a wonderful thing and I'm glad that it helps people. But there is a responsibility that comes along with accepting treatments for any condition. In the end, it's your choice to participate or not. And that's why angers people -Kate makes it sound like it's the doctor's fault or society's fault that she got pregnant with 6. It was their choice, her's and Jon's. They knew the risks. They need to grow up and not expect that the world owes them a living. It doesn't."

EXACTLY. Even Keight's lies were apparent in the first special, BOTH jon and kate specifically said "when you go in for these treatments EXPECT twins or triplets"..so this complete and utter BS of wanting just ONE more was such crap. Notice two years later on Oprah kate got defensive when it was brought up they knew they were going to have multiples the next time around. She basically got her tude on and said "nu-uh, it's not guaranteed you will have multiples we didn't ask for this"..oh how I wish they would have shown keight from that first special saying the EXACT opposite.

That's why the Octo-mom and now keight have brought on all this anger..TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your children. God did not give you these kids, medicine did. One of my friends has 3 kids and they would have liked to have "just one more" but both of them are ADULTS and realize financially they can't comfortably afford a 4th plus they would have to undego fertility treatments since my friend isn't as young as she used to be but also being an ADULT realize she could end up with multiples and doesn't want to reduce so she and her husband DO NOT put themselves in that situation to start with. Plus she said they have three beautiful wonderful children and are GRATEFUL for what they have..Keight are the utter and complete opposite of a responsible adult and using logic and COMMON SENSE.

jonandkatewho? said...

I looked at the pics of these two fools on the bikes, against my own better judgement. They make me so angry now I almost can't look when new pics are posted of them.

What idiots they look like! And I noticed yet again no smiles on the faces of those kids.

Has anybody else noticed (and I know they have) that those kids are rarely seen smiling at all? These are kids, for pete's sakes! They should be running around smiling and laughing and showing an interest and to me they just look sad and caught.

It's really pathetic and I wonder that their own parents don't even seem to notice this, or care!

Those kids look stressed out to me. That's just plain inexcusable.

ThreeFarmers said...

I'm always amazed that Kate seems to think that the right to free speech applies only to her.

timetohurl said...

Jon opts to hit the open road on his hogMoon has a pic of Kate on a pink scooter. Ack!

Maude said...

I LOVE this guy! I want to adopt him and raise him as my own!

TandLMommy28 said...

So... I assume he was quoting something they listed when it said "no thirteen passenger vans, please!"

That floors me. I know that they were begging for handouts. But seriously, they were turning down offers for anything less than a 15 passenger van? Seriously? Someone could have offered them a free car and they would turn it down as not good enough? BEFORE the show and the fame and the fortune? Wow. That just goes to show that the fame didn't destroy them, it has only made obvious the kind of people they always were.

SheSaidItInFewWordsFolks said...

ThreeFarmers said...
I'm always amazed that Kate seems to think that the right to free speech applies only to her.
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ThreeFarmers: You rock!

Valerie said...

Although I generally agree with the mission of GWOP, one thing has long bothered me about the comments on this site: it seems that very frequently, people mention how the Gosselin 8 are "beautiful," "gorgeous," or "adorable," as though it has some bearing on whether they deserve better treatment. Things like, "they already had 2 beautiful daughters," and "those kids are here, and they're gorgeous." Well, what if they were ugly, or severely handicapped?

Don't all children, regardless of their alleged attractiveness, deserve a decent, private upbringing with caring parents? Why do so many commenters have to throw in adjectives about the kids' appearance?

And don't give me the "well, ALL children are beautiful" excuse, because if that's your premise, then it's redundant to talk about "beautiful children."

I think it's crucial, especially for children raised in the public eye, to separate physical beauty from individual worth.

Poetry said...

@Valerie

I haven't watched the show in ages, but I have never thought of the G8 as beautiful. Not trying to be mean, but they just looked like average kids to me. Perhaps cute as babies, but nothing more or less than that. Just my take on things. I see what you mean though.

TheProfessor said...

"1) Did I actually read somewhere that Kate has it in her head that she is owed certain compensations for having multiples because we, as a society, allow or support the use of fertility drugs? Where oh where does she come up with these ideas about entitlement? Crazy!"
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Yes: She did say this. And this seems to be the prevailing attitude of families who have these major multiples. Few of them have paid their hospital bills, and most start asking for handouts before the children arrive (I'm thinking of the Masches--who have their own show now, the Hayes, and the McCaugheys).

Also, about the 15-passenger van: apparently Kate did not only specify that it -had- to be a 15-passenger vehicle (no lousy 13-passenger crap here!), but she did so in a particularly nasty way on television.

When they televised the 'tups first birthday party, the commentator asked her if she wanted to say anything (I think the context was to give thanks to all the helpers or something along those lines), and she said, very snottily, "We -need- a 15-passenger van."

Anonymomma said...

KB, Kon was in no position to beg for handouts when the tups were born. Their diatribe about how they had to dig in the couch cushions for mortgage money has long since been disproven. In fact, Jon's dad had left a 6 figure inheritence for him upon his passing when the tups were ten months old. And before that? They lived not only on Dr. Gosselin's dollar, but the Kreider's as well (not to mention their curch congregation).

WHen one is supposedly in position to afford things like cribs for their children, they are also certainly not in a position to demand that they all match. If Kate didn't like unmatched cribs maybe she should have purchased them herself.

Ask yourself, if Kate quit her job at 7 weeks into the tups pregnancy, and Jon wasn't working, how did they get thru from then until the babies were even born? Who fed Cara and Mady? They were not in any position to go for further fertility treatments when they were not able to afford to feed the kids they already had.

Some feel abortion is a sin, and personally I'd never choose reduction myself. But isn't it just as bad to bring more lives into a family you know can not afford them? Especially when they took food from their three year olds mouths to get pregnant in the first place. This wasn't like Kon were expecting one baby and poof, they had 6. It wasn't spontaneous, such as twins. They planned it. All of it. Nothing they have said proves otherwise. The tups were a means of financial planning. Kate knew what she was doing.

Anonymomma said...

My child was not planned. We really can't afford her. But she's the best surprise we've ever had. Once people start drawing lines to determine who "should" have children and who "shouldn't" and how many, we start rolling down a slippery slope.

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It isn't so much that they 'shouldn't' have. They couldn't have. The tups were no surprise pregnancy. By any stretch. I truly feel Kate (if not Jon as well) methodically planned for it, all six of them, if not more. She is the original Octomom.

Let me ask you something Cathryn, when your baby was born, did you sit back and beg for donations and expect cases of paper towels to be dropped off on your doorstep? Or did you (or your husband) go out and work to be able to provide for your child?

Kon were both capable of providing for their kids. No mother wants to leave their child behind whie they go to work, especially a baby. But in their situation, Kate complained about Jon having to stand in line for heating assistance yet she refused to get off her but and work a shift or two.

Trust me, I am all for motherhod, and even more for the stay at home mom. But it isn't always in the best interest of the children.

And I've been in the situation of not being financially prepared to have a baby but that baby was on it's way regadless. When my daughter was born, 6 weeks early and two weeks after my husband became disabled with spinal tumors, we literally had nothing for her. I had a bassinet, a car seat, and three outfits. That was it. I thought I had more time to prepare but the baby had other plans. Still, I refused to sit back and cry about it or take a handout. I found a job and went to work. The only thing getting me in the car and away from my daughter each day was the knowing that if I didn't she wouldn't eat.

I didn't like it but I did it. I also had 3 older kids. Maybe four kids at home doesn't qualify me to speak in terms of walking in Kate's shoes, you know, since she had 8, 8! But she is not the first mom to struggle nor will she be the last.

Beggers shouldn't be choosers.

FancyNancy said...

In fact, Jon's dad had left a 6 figure inheritence for him upon his passing when the tups were ten months old. And before that? They lived not only on Dr. Gosselin's dollar, but the Kreider's as well (not to mention their curch congregation).

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Wow - Jon's dad sure picked a convenient time to die and leave them a ton of money. God must have wanted that for Kate. I just hope it wasn't Nurse Kate who was preparing his meds.

momof1plus1plus2 said...

Could they have qualified for WIC with all the inheritance money in the bank? I've never been on WIC, but I assume that you have to show how much money you have in the bank to qualify.

TandLMommy28 said...

To the person who mentioned the aspect of saying the children are beautiful... I think I may have said that before myself, "she has beautiful children who she doesn't even bother with" and things like that... But I'd like to at least explain my reasons for saying such things. For me I think I mean that they are at this beautiful age, my goodness, four and five are such COOL and amazing ages. EVerything my four year old daughter does takes my breath away! I can't imagine missing even one second of her amazing life. She sees the world as a beautiful place and that makes the whole world beautiful to me, too. And while my daughter is pretty darn good looking (I'm biased, yes, but strangers stop me regularly to comment on her beauty), it is NOT her physical beauty that I am speaking of when I talk about beauty in my daughter. It is her inner beauty, her way of making the world a better place that makes her beautiful to me.

I think that Kate no longer spends enough time with her children to see that inner beauty in all of them. So when people say "Kate has beautiful children" I think (and hope) that they mean that they are still at an age of beautiful and blissful innocence and Kate is missing it.

Valerie said...

@Poetry: Funny, I actually feel the same way, but just chalked it up to not being a "baby person" in general. Probably not a good sign, since my husband is half-Asian and I'm a Euro-mutt like Kate!

Amy said...

I'm commenting on the bodyguard. It hasn't been verified if she is or isn't having an affair with Mr. Grey. We'll probably find out the truth in due time anyway. But the bodyguard...what bodyguard sleps the clients luggage, holds the client's purse, plays with their kids. He's credentials show that he's a bodyguard but his actions at the very least are unprofessional. How can he protect the client when his hands are full? And since he works for an agency don't bodyguards routinely rotate to other clients so as to not become too (ahem) personally involved. As others have stated here, Mr. Grey was on the flight to Utah. That was over a year ago. IMO something just doesn't add up. Is he really her bodyguard?

SAHM said...

That's pretty darn humorous I must say! Kudos to Al!!!

jb said...

I like the one comment someone put on the first page about 'they wonder if they are being charitable now that they are financially secure?'

Good comment and good question. Five years ago these 2 deadbeats were mooching off of the good people of Berks County and asking for their charity to help them and their 8 kids out.

Well now, it appears the Gosselin's are pretty set financially for the future so I wonder how far the depths of their philanthropy go?? I'm guessing not too far. The greed and self entitlement of these two would nevere let it happen. You would think at the least they would donate money to the hospital where the kids were born (Hershey Med Center I believe?) or the Ronald McDonald House where they stayed free of charge?

Perhaps they do and I am incorrect in my observation, but to my knowledge their charitable givings have never been brought forward into the public limelight so I'm assuming that any donations have been small or nonexistent.

Lisa said...

Wow- amazing article -plus the reader comments on it are spot on as well. Very revealing!!!

Lisa said...

momof1plus1plus2 said...
"Could they have qualified for WIC with all the inheritance money in the bank? I've never been on WIC, but I assume that you have to show how much money you have in the bank to qualify."

Well, my experience was when we were really young parents and starting out I went to see if we qualified for WIC. We made just over a hundred dollars too much in income to qualify so we didn't get it but they based it all on income only- they never asked to look at bank statements. I'm sure if Kate had asked for WIC she would have received it. However, I wouldn't put it past her that she did get WIC but never told the public so she could get even more extras in handouts....who knows with her- she's crazy deceptive....

speechless said...

Thank you Al...Unfortunaltely the rest of the world does not see the real Kate as we do in Reading. This charade has to stop. How can it not be affecting the girls in school? Kate says she does everything for her kids...American Chopper..new bikes...she is riding a motorcycle with 8 kids at home? Maybe the donated bikes will pay the bills when the gravy train derails! As always it is ALL ABOUT KATE and anything she can get her money-grabbibg hands on.

speechless said...

Timeto hurl....your name says it all!

Bev said...

I think it's disgusting that TLC broke records and is proud of it. Kate is no doubt beaming. In fact..last night she thanked everybody who loved her or hated her...for watching. TLC really has nothing to be proud of. They took a family we all loved and basically rode them into the ground. That's why everyone watched; to see Kate act like a diva so we could hate her. But I hope this backfires on TLC. This is not what we want to watch. Next thing, we'll find out Michelle Duggar had a past life as a porno queen or the Little People are actually normal sized with trick cameras...or Deadliest Catch is actually a bathtub somewhere in Idaho. It should remind us that TV IS NOT REAL!!! The news isn't even real people!!! Hollywood has become way too important in our lives and we could all use a reality check.

idon'tknowsquat said...

They ought to auction off those gifts from American Choppers for Cancer Research..

Maggie said...

I agree with Bella's comments:

"BOTH jon and kate specifically said "when you go in for these treatments EXPECT twins or triplets"..so this complete and utter BS of wanting just ONE more was such crap. ...TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your children. God did not give you these kids, medicine did."

I used to be a fan of the show, and went to see them speak at a Church last Fall. Was I SHOCKED when all of the "Jesus this" and "the Lord that" talk started. The show gave no indication that these people were "Christian," and I would never have guessed it from the way they act/treat their kids.

In relation to Bella's post, though, I had a burning question I would have loved to have asked Kate (had she had the courage to take questions): You say you're devout Christians, and you follow the Lord's plan for you. Why is it, then, that you turned to science when the Lord's plan appeared to be that you were infertile???? Do you pick and choose which "Lord's plan" you feel like following? The hypocrisy is mind-boggling.

I agree with other posters about the issue of personal responsibility: Any fool knows that fertility treatments will more than likely result in multiples. If they couldn't afford more than "just one more," they should have just stopped with the twins (and thanked "The LORD" that they had two beautiful daughters). Instead, Kate acts all self-righteous about not selectively reducing -- as if this makes her some moral heroine somehow. No, Kate, you're just stupid. You shouldn't have put yourself in that position to begin with. Your stupidity does not make society beholden to you and your greed.

Maggie said...

As a relatively new resident to PA, I have been horrified by the lack of a helmet law for motorcycle riders. Until now, of course:

"Jon opts to hit the open road on his hogMoon has a pic of Kate on a pink scooter."

Mean I know, but hey, it may be the only way to get rid of them. THANK YOU American Chopper.

Munchkn said...

maria said...
During this marathon on TLC, I caught the very first one hour special. When Kate was talking about how much food they go through in a day, she was talking about how many ounces of formula and made sure to state that it was the concentrate. If they were so hard up for money, could she have at least purchased powder? I used formula for all three of my babies. I could have afforded concentrate, but it was so expensive that I didn't see the point. I just used the powder and mixed my own and save a LOT of money doing that. I bet if Kate had been paying for the formula hersself, she would have been buying the powder.

5/23/2009 11:20 PM

Good grief, I hate to defend Kate....

But the tups may have been on premie or other special formula especially right after their discharge from the NICU. Special formulas may not be available in powdered form. Another thing about powdered formula -it's not sterile. The tups pedi might have wanted them to use concentrate or ready-to-feed and avoid powdered formula.

Maggie said...

Regarding formula for preemies... My twins were preemies, and their formula was available in powder form. It was super expensive, so I can't even imagine what the equivalent in concentrate would have cost.... Kate is just selfish and lazy.