And They Wonder Why They Don't Get Posted.....

This week has been insane to say the least. Along with the huge amount of traffic and great comments, we got more than our normal amount of comments like this....

if jon and kate get divorced and the show ends and Kate has her kids taken away and imprisoned what will all of you stay at home moms with nothing else better to do instead of bitching (about a woman who has changed her appearance for the better and has money and has kids and a guy who made a few bad choices) do?

For the moderators of this site I would like an email contact so I can ask why you Never post any comments that do not bitch about J&K.

Ghostwriter and the buddy sockpuppets strike again. Is it any wonder we don't let comments like this through for those who keep asking why they don't get posted?

We also saw a lot like this.....

As long as they save some money for the kids to have later in life, what's the harm in the show? We don't even know these children personally but everyone here is outraged at their situation? Worry about your own family!

We had so much to say about this one, it's impossible to even know where to start.

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Complying With Non-Existent Laws

The Pennsylvania Department of Labor is now investigating whether Jon & Kate Plus 8 is complying with child labor laws after someone filed a complaint.

That's a great start, but don't stop there. Investigating compliance to laws that are virtually non-existent when it comes to children being pimped out by their parents on reality TV shows? Let's hope the results of this "investigation" won't just be shrugged shoulders and continued ignoring of the real problem.

How about actually putting some decent laws in place? You know, like this blog has been asking for since last Spring?

A spot for press about the 5/25 episode

Interesting report from Philly.

Julie writes about tomorrow on the Early Show.

Radaronline continues.

Philly Inquirer.

More radaronline.

If the readers have links, this is a good spot for people to find them. Thanks.

Recap - Turning Five and the Future!

Paparazzi and Birthdays and Confessons, Oh My.
Welcome to the season premiere recap of Kate and Kate plus Kate, introducing the newest stars of the show…the paparazzi! And there’s a new intro! A montage of the kids’ pictures, including shots of the kids at the birthday party, Mady getting braces, Kate running through a field with the kids, Jonless, and ending with a Brady Bunch-esque shot of all of them in their own little squares, Jon and Kate at opposite corners. The only shot with both of them is a forced looking posed one and the parachute picture from last season. My guess is the production people threw this together at the last minute knowing that the original intro they had filmed would have to be scrapped once the divorce papers are filed.

(Continued in comments.)

Recap thanks to JenTru. Thank you!

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Turning 5 and the Future, Monday, May 25

After enjoying the enormous party celebrating the sextuplet's fifth birthday, Jon and Kate sit down with each other for a serious discussion regarding their future together as well as the kind of future they want to build for their family. (Description from TitanTV.)
New. Washington Post about season opener.

60 minutes

Al from Reading Is Back

Al used to blog for the Reading Eagle and is now independent. He's back with a story about Kate here.

Free Discussion 5/23 - 5/29

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A Second Mother?

Submitted as a comment by a reader named "kathy":

A comment I read compelled me to respond. I am not sure if it was orginally on this thread since it's hard to keep track but I will write my response here.

Someone mentioned that it's all well and good for Jodi and Kevin to speak up but Beth should speak up because she was really "a second mother to the kids". Not to take anything away from Beth but I am disappointed that this person is giving Beth so much importance as if anyone was a second mother it was Jodi.


Open Letter to Kate from a Parenting Mentor

The letter was a result of Kate speaking in Detroit. Enjoy.

Press of Atlantic City Article

Published in the May 16, 2009 edition of the newspaper Press of Atlantic City

Source: By DAN GOOD
Staff Writer, 609-272-7218

Family affairs / ‘Jon & Kate Plus 8' began with a bunch of cute kids, but is now embroiled in marital strife.

Some people think the matriarch on TLC's reality show "Jon & Kate Plus 8" is a victim, after murky tabloid reports surfaced of her husband's affair. Others say she's a wifezilla for her demanding nature, or narcissistic for trying to lasso fame at any cost, or the pawn of a network trying to fuel ratings.

Maybe she's none of those things. Maybe she's all of them. Maybe she's just a loving mom with eight bundles of joy. Either way America is watching, as the camera now zooms into the private lives of people who've opened their home for all to see. Is all the frenzy and scrutiny on the Gosselins' personal lives fair? Depends on whom you ask.

Octo-sized lifestyle.

They just wanted to build a family. Berks County , Pa. , natives Jon and Kate Gosselin were married for less than a year when they started trying to have children. The couple had trouble conceiving, so they turned to fertility treatments, and the fertility treatments worked. Really, really well.

In 2000, the Gosselins bore twins, Cara and Mady. A few years later they tried to have one more child, and this time they had six: Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah and Joel.

Discovery Health filmed two hourlong specials on the family, then the series followed in early 2007, and it's been a runaway hit — TLC's most popular program, a glimpse into the group's quirky, busy, octo-sized lifestyle.

For four seasons, the family's been presented as hectic but happy, with tons of laundry and a bunch of mouths to feed but strong moral fiber. Sure, Kate Gosselin was a nagger. Sure, Jon Gosselin was a klutz. But the kids were sooooo cute. There was something wholesome about the family.

That perception changed in April, when Us Weekly nabbed pictures of Jon Gosselin, sans wedding ring, leaving a bar with 23-year-old elementary school teacher Deanna Hummel. Hummel's brother accused the pair of having an affair, and the speculation sparked a media firestorm.

Kate Gosselin addressed the accusations on "Larry King Live" and the "Today" show, where she told Meredith Vieria "We are working through it privately, as a family." Then she graced the cover of this week's People magazine, next to the headline "We Might Split Up."

"I don't know that we're in the same place anymore, that we want the same thing," Kate Gosselin told People.

Us Weekly, Star magazine and the National Enquirer also devoted this week's covers to the couple. The reports range from sad to bizarre, detailing infidelity from both camps and lurid details of their relationship. As with the show, there's no way of knowing the amount of truth behind these stories.

Here's the reality — Jon and Kate Gosselin's marriage is in trouble. And besides TV ratings, all the hype isn't helping anything, especially the children.

Sending a message

Melissa Soto DVRs episodes of "Jon and Kate Plus 8" until her DVR memory is full, then she watches the episodes over and over. The 30-year-old Galloway Township resident is inspired by Kate Gosselin's strength and attitude, and the way she doesn't sugarcoat things. Soto likes all the neat little adventures the group embarks on, and how the parents devote one-on-one time to each child.

"The kids are adorable, and the show sends such a nice message," Soto, a mother of two, said. "I hope it never stops."

Soto's husband doesn't usually have time to watch the show. Too busy.
Adrienne Richardson also looks to the Gosselins for guidance. The publisher of South Jersey MOM Magazine, Richardson feels overwhelmed sometimes with her two children ... but eight?

"If I had eight kids, I don't know what I would do," said Richardson, a Vineland resident. Richardson thinks the stress of children and cameras leads Kate Gosselin to appear strong-willed on the show. Richardson understands why viewers — or even Kate Gosselin's spouse — might not enjoy that.

Kate Gosselin's attitude has become a target of slings from the pop culture clip show "The Soup" in recent months, even before the cheating gossip surfaced. "The Soup" highlighted snippets that show Kate Gosselin verbally berating her husband for interrupting her and forgetting to use a coupon.

"Jon's her husband, and he has to decide if he wants to stay with someone like her," Richardson said. "It's something he has to deal with. We can turn off the TV, but he can't."

Julie Nguyen watches "Jon and Kate Plus 8" every once and again. Nguyen, 33, of Egg Harbor Township , has one child but her sister has twins, so she understands how demanding it is to raise multiples. Nguyen says Jon Gosselin should show more tact in whatever he does outside the house.

"With eight kids at home, how did he have time to have an affair?" she said. "Jon shouldn't be going out and trying to get with a younger woman. Is he trying to get nine?"

Nguyen is intrigued by the family's private world turned inside-out. If fame hadn't fallen on the Gosselin's doorstep, none of this speculation and gossip would exist.

"If my husband or I had an affair, no one would know about it," she said. "For their children's sake, I hope Jon and Kate can work things out."

What about the children?

Serena Leigh Bell is one of seven moderators of the online blog Gosselins Without Pity, located at The blog was created in April 2008 to discuss the show — but more importantly, Bell says, to look out for the interests of the Gosselin children.

The blog received five million hits during the past year, but the affair speculation caused a recent deluge in readership. Wednesday, 113,819 people visited Gosselins Without Pity. The previous daily high was 77,000.

"We screen the comments on our site before posting them, and it seems like new comments are pouring into the queue every second," Bell said.

While the pictures of Jon Gosselin started all of this, Bell blames Kate Gosselin's media tour for fueling the public's interest. Bell believes every magazine cover and interview is chipping away at the children's chances at living normal, well-adjusted lives.

"Whatever Jon and Kate are doing between themselves, I couldn't care less," Bell said. "Until Kate and Jon retreat from the public eye and get their problems straightened out, this will continue to rob the children of their privacy."

How much privacy do the Gosselin children have left? They've grown up with cameras stuffed in their faces. Their home is a television studio. Their play dates and vacations and temper tantrums are episodes.

Jeffrey M. McCall, communication professor at DePauw University in Indiana , has critiqued TV and media for more than a decade, and he wrote about reality television in the book "Viewer Discretion Advised: Taking Control of Mass Media Influences."

McCall is concerned about the impact the lifestyle will play on the eight little ones. "Ten years from now, these children are going to have to hear about this, they're still going to be the children from the show," McCall said. "They didn't decide to participate in this."

With a glut of reality programming now devoted to families — TLC's "18 Kids and Counting," "Table for 12" and "Little People, Big World," among others — Bell hopes the Gosselin's plight will lead to stricter regulations for child reality stars. Child labor laws vary from state to state, so the Gosselin children aren't subject to the same regulations and protections Hollywood child actors are.

"We don't know that the Gosselin children aren't being protected, but the laws aren't in place in Pennsylvania to ensure that it's happening," Bell said.

The reality behind reality

At the crux of this issue hangs the balance of perception and reality. While the world has looked inside the Gosselins' home for three specials, four seasons and 92 episodes, we still don't know what Kate and Jon Gosselin are like in "real" life.

We don't know if Kate Gosselin is a victim, a wifezilla, a fame seeker, a pawn or just a loving mom with eight bundles of joy. We don't know Jon Gosselin, either. We don't know how much input the producers have on the show.

We don't know. We may never know.

TLC's public relations director did not return a phone message seeking comment for this story, and Figure 8 Films, the company that produces the show, declined comment.

In a statement, TLC said, "This show has always been about a real family dealing with real-life situations, and that will continue to be the case."

Scott Sternberg has spent three decades producing reality television, and his credits include Paula Abdul's show "Hey Paula," "The Singing Office" with Joey Fatone, and Fox Reality's "The Academy," which follows recruits through Los Angeles County Sheriff's Academy training.

While Sternberg has no ties to "Jon and Kate Plus 8," he believes the show relies on a blend of reality and production. On shows like "Jon and Kate," he says it's common for the stars to discuss story lines with producers ahead of time.

"While some episode concepts might be pre-planned, it's difficult to produce children's actions, so there's some authenticity here," he said.

Former show members told Bell that during filming, the children sometimes have to sit in the van and wait for the camera crew to get established so photographers can capture "the shot." Bell said the family's Christmas gift exchange was filmed weeks in advance of the holiday.

"It's an odd way to grow up," Bell said. "It's like the ‘Truman Show.'"

Last Sunday, Mother's Day, the sextuplets celebrated their fifth birthday. As with everything else the family does, cameras were present. The birthday party — and some other things — will be the basis of next season's first episode, "Turning 5 & The Future!" The hour-long special airs May 25.

Sternberg believes Kate Gosselin's interviews du jour with national media outlets are a way for the network and production company to ensure ratings.

"It calls attention and steers more eyeballs to the show," Sternberg said. "Now we all want to see what happens next."

What's next?


Life Imitates Art

I've noticed a lot of people commenting on this site about what the future may hold for these famous eight children born into the most unfortunate circumstances (to parents completely seduced by money and celebrity). I was thinking how true the saying is about life imitating art and vice versa. Remember "The Truman Show" — a movie more ahead of it's time than we realized when it was released in 1998? Although it may not seem like it at first glance, I think that Jon & Kate Plus 8 is not unlike that movie in one critical — and sad — way. continue

Submitted by Carolina R.

Free Discussion 5/16 - 5/22

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From the peanut gallery ...

This week's post intended to educate was provided earlier in the week.

If I had a million to bet I would that if TLC or any other network approached any of you that are on here bashing Jon and Kate (btw I am not a high fan of the show) and offered you the same oppurtunity at least 80% of you would take it. Until you have walked in there shoes and lived there life - how dare any of you to judge them. Believe me if we could see into half of your lives people would be saying things about what you do to. It is human nature but to take it to the level that all of you have taken it too is crazy. Also, Christian's are not perfect they even lie - we all sin - but that does not mean that they are not doing what they feel in the themselves to be correct. There are alot of people doing alot worse to kids out here in the world physically abusing them, molesting them, homeless kids etc. Let's try putting the focus on those children, they are the one's who really need the attention.

It's all about the choices you make.

Submitted for publication via email by Elizabeth.

Raise your hand if you’ve ever gone through a tough moment in your life. Not just a little bump, but a huge crater in the road, complete with “danger, do not enter signs.” I know I have.

When I’ve had the type of events in life where I just can’t even fathom how I’m going to get through this, the last thing I think about doing is going to New York to give an interview with People Magazine about the issue that is causing me so much strife.


Taking A Moment To Talk About The Kids

We received this post by e-mail from a 15 year old young lady who thought we should share a teen point-of-view. We agree.

With all of this attention on Jon and Kate and their marriage, I can’t help but wonder what their kids, especially Cara and Mady are going through. I could only imagine what pain and heartache they are enduring. I’m sure it is an awkward feeling for them to be walking into school, having all of your classmates know about your parents personal life. At my school I am known as the “Jon and Kate plus 8 freak.” Everyday I am asked about how I feel about the controversy regarding Jon and Kate. My response is always “I don’t care what happens to them, but I truly care about what will happen to their children.” I sit at home many days thinking what Mady and Cara are going through. Their parents need for fame and greed has truly ruined their lives. I also think about the sextuplets who recently turned five. What do they know? How have their lives changed? I know at the beginning Jon and Kate’s sole priorities were their children, but it has dramatically changed to money. With a few stupid and selfish decisions, Jon and Kate have ruined their and their children’s lives. I wish Cara, Mady, Alexis, Hannah, Aaden, Collin, Leah and Joel the best, and that one day they can live without cameras pointing in their face and with two dedicated and loving parents.

~From a teen’s point of view

Jodi and Kevin with Radaronline

Here is the video. A second video was added Thursday. A third segment has been posted. Part four is now up.

And here is the transcript of Radaronline video: Jon and Kate - Marriage in Shambles

[The clip is obviously several short segments from a longer interview. Ellipses in the transcript (…) indicate pauses in speech, not words left out of the transcription from the video.]

Kevin: Six months ago, um, Kate came to Jon and said, you know, "Hey, it's over." And I don't think typically I would say this, but they're showing America that it's a thriving family and it's not what they're living. Back when we used to be around when they were filming, they would fight so incredibly much that the film crew would have a hard time getting fifteen minutes worth of decent footage out of eight hours of filming. It's really…it was horrible. It…some of the production crew came to us and said how they had, like, moral problems with how they acted and…

Jodi interjects: …what they were filming…

Kevin: …what they were filming, yeah, with the kids.

Jodi: Jon is making some poor choices right now, but all the attention - all the media attention - is going to him when Jon has told us that he feels that Kate is also (whispers) a cheater.

Kevin: Jon came to our door one day and told Jodi that he suspects it's Steve the bodyguard, and he feels that he's getting the bad rap but he feels that Kate's not being faithful either.

Kevin: Although Jon has made some poor choices recently, he has talked to us about how he suspects that Kate has been unfaithful. Um, it's a horrible thing to talk about, but it paints the, uh, it just paints how bad and how different reality is from the reality show.

Kevin: Kate and Jon, I just urge you to focus on what is most important. Please, do not trade your family and your marriage for fame and fortune.

Kevin and Jodi talk to Star

A lot of viewers and readers have wondered where Aunt Jodi is or what she has to say about all of the recent news. She and Uncle Kevin have opened up to Star. The full article isn't up yet, but here is the teaser.

Cover, page 1, page 2, page 3, page 4, page 5, and page 6.

US Weekly

US Weekly reports the first episode of the new season isn't complete. Should they include their marital woes in season five or how should they address the problem? The majority vote may be ditch the show, but they're already part way through filming the season.

Cover, page 1, page 2, page 3, page 4, page 5, and page 6.

Kate Interviewed for People

This week's People article about the continuing mess of Jon and Kate.

Kate is also going to be on the cover with this article.

Kate's cover story...

page 1 page 2 page 3 page 4 page 5 page 6

July 4th Celebrations on "Jon & Kate Plus 8"

TLC is airing a new Jon & Kate Plus 8 episode tomorrow night (Monday August 25th) -- a 60-minute feature starting at 9:00 p.m. Eastern titled July 4th Celebrations:
The Gosselins celebrate this holiday with food, fun and fireworks by the lighthouse.


Sometimes it's the little things in life that mean the most. Free trips or matching clothes kept spotlessly clean shouldn't be that important. Grubby hands and little voices can be perfect reminders of the simple things that matter.


Thank you to mommyo3 for stating it so eloquently.

Some People Will Believe Anything

I rejected this one earlier today but was asked to go ahead and make it a discussion point. We could call it a glimpse into the mind of a follower. She thinks Kate stays home, Jon works, that we're all Christians, etc. It would interesting to know how often she actually watches the show.

For the record since some of you obviously dont know...Kate and John both had real jobs before and John still does. She is a stay at home mom for the obvious reason that putting that many kids in day care would be ridiculous. John makes very good money as a computer it guy...and kate can go back to nursing at any time...You should know your facts before you judge other people have nothing better to do with your time then to harass this poor couple who started the show to simply inform people of what it is like to have multiples...the offer was brought to them...they didnt go searching for it like others (ie..octomom). I'm sure most of you think you are good christians...yet you are spreading hate and gossip...GUESS what...thats a sin...

Free Discussion 5/9 - 5/15

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When it Rains, it Pours

In light of all of the recent media attention the Gosselin's have received this week, we thought that a general media discussion area was needed. With so many articles, news magazine shows, and TV appearances, it's been hard to keep from talking about all of them in various threads, so please feel free to discuss them all here.

The Kids Need Some Fun

We all know this show isn't going to die any time soon. No matter what, Kate's going to keep churning out episodes. TLC will just use more carefully crafted shots and interviews to keep up the pretense. The kids will be forced into fake situations for another season. With that in mind, in seasons past it's been obvious the trips and activities weren't always planned with all of the children in mind. So what would you like to see the kids do?

Here's my suggestion to TLC. How about the family goes to Twins Days in Ohio? Every summer there's a town called Twinsburg that holds a Twins Days festival for a weekend. All multiples and their families are welcome, but it's mostly twins in attendance. How great would that be for Cara and Mady? I'm sure they would love it. There's a parade, contests, and activities to celebrate being a twin. Hundreds of sets of twins for Mady and Cara to get to know! A special event to celebrate being a twin sounds exactly like something the twins could use in their lives. And hey, maybe TLC could have all of their families attend, they all have twins at the very least. It could be a TLC twins reunion.

What suggestions do you have? If this show is going to continue, and you know it is, it might as well be something all the kids can enjoy. Besides the obvious no more filming or no more Jon and Kate, let's hear your ideas. The kids have been thru a lot, and look to be facing more chaos and stress. I know we could come up with some ideas to give them at least a few hours of escape.

The Hole Gets Deeper and Deeper

Us Weekly has a new article about Jon's new friend. Her brother speaks up... making me kinda glad I don't have a brother.


The Mystery Tour

current reviews by readers

For some reason, Zondervan "unpublished" the information it had previously published regarding Kate's book tour for Eight Little Faces -- now all you will get is this error message instead of the previous listing of dates and places.

It must suck to be Kate; on the one hand you want to promote your "book", on the other hand you don't really want people who see you for what you are showing up and calling you on it or spreading the word to the assembled sheeple... what a dilemma.

Our little "thank God we do the show, it allows me to be home with the kids" Mom had a very hectic road schedule during April, and May isn't shaping up much better:


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Sorry this is late. I got distracted last night and didn't finish.

Comment Deletion

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I checked Blogger trouble reports and found this answer:

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