Oops - someone else sees the issues.

Someone else sees the issues and even quotes us.

62 comments:

MKH Mommy said...

Good One!!!!

I am Kate said...

TRASH1! Befitting of this blog.

Miranda said...

Thanks for the link. Also posted at that website today was an article about Madonna, and how she never spends time with her kids. I found this paragraph could apply to Kate as WELL as Madonna:
"Riches and luxury are great, but they are no replacement for love, nurturing and parental attention. Workaholics and attention whores like Madonna and Angelina Jolie should really think twice before sucking innocent children into their crazy, ego-centric world.

organizedblogroll said...

That is ONE FUNNY ARTICLE.

Love the part about the sign.
Their egos sure have gotten
the best of them. Unbelievable.

How can these kids not turn out to be BRATS? Kids learn from parents.

Wait till these kids are treated like normal riff raffs at parks, shows, vacation spots, etc. How will they ever deal???? Get over yourselves.

konspiracytheory said...

Wow - that was great. I'd never seen a picture of the sign before - classy...

Shari said...

I love it every time I hear that the truth is being set free and lies start unraveling. Word is spreading quickly .... their number is about up. Hope they invested wisely.

There's that gnashing of the teeth sound I hear again ....

lori said...

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

Kerry Lynn said...

Finally! More and more people are coming to their senses regarding the Gosselins. The blogger didn't seem biased though, calling out Madonna and Angelina as people who don't spend enough quality time with their children and concentrate on themselves.

By the way, I love the comment on there by babymamafan.

timetogokon said...

This article was like a GWOP recap on caffeine - very funny ! I loved the wit and snark.

stunned said...

I have just starting watching the show in the last year, starting with a marathon. But watching this clip for the first time, I actually began to think Kate's sniping and Jon's extra-sheepish reaction was scripted, as her treatment of him seemed even nastier than usual to me. Then I wondered if TLC is prompting such exchanges to cater to us on this blog, which as another poster pointed out, we could be their biggest audience!

Don't know which would be worse--scripted or real sniping!

Lisbeth said...

I just caught 5 minutes of table of 12 tonight. Horrified. Once again, children's private moments of growing up filmed and aired for the world to see. A child getting a tooth pulled at the dentist, another fearful of the exam....just makes me livid. When will this exploitation stop?

Nina said...

Once the minor D-Listed fame they now enjoy with a fan base comprised of the very young, the very old, and the very ignorant and lets not forget the pedophiles who adore ALL the over exposure these children have endured. These two will fall and be forgotten quickly.

What a horrible legacy to leave those children with. Parents as media whores who sold their chilhood, privacy and dignity so mom and dad could have hair plugs, tummy tucks, a big house and thousands of people dispising what they stood for.

I Hate Keight said...

Anyone catch it is estimated they make $25K per epi? That isn't a lot of money, certainly not enough to sustain their current lifestyle. I imagine that estimate isn't too far off the mark. It would be nice for these kids to get a college education and have some money left over to get a good start off in life. I am afraid the million dollar mansion will be but a memory to them when they are grown. They will have to actually work for a living, not like their parents now. Sad, sad, sad.

Kelly said...

What gets me is that the argument Gosselin-lovers use most often is, "These parents HAVE to put their kids on TV to pay for college." How about the kids work hard, get good grades and put themselves through college? My husband got minimal help from his folks with school, had to get loans, a job (gasp!), and it made him take his education that much more seriously. But considering Kate's sense of entitlement, I doubt that kind of work ethic would be passed onto her children. After all, society has an obligation to pay for her kids, right?

overwithKON said...

That is the best thing I have read in along time. I hope everyone in America gets to read it, especially the sheeple.....

Crystal said...

Kelly said...

What gets me is that the argument Gosselin-lovers use most often is, "These parents HAVE to put their kids on TV to pay for college." How about the kids work hard, get good grades and put themselves through college?

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Couldn't agree with you more. My parents could afford to pay for my tuition but chose not to. I guess they were afraid that I would flunk out or half-a$$ it the first semester like my 2 older sisters did. Which, I did not. I had to do the same thing. I worked full-time before,during and after college, got student loans, and lived on my own and had absolutely zero help with my rent, car payment, utilities, etc. I think this has made me a much better, and more importantly, a much more appreciative person than some others who throughout life have had stuff handed to them. Jon & Kate are living proof of what happens when you don't give your kids any responsibilities.

However, as with most sheeple's reasoning, the sheeple's argument for J&K continuing to do the show because they need to pay for their kid's tuition doesn't hold water anyway. Because if they were so concerned about setting aside funds for their kids' tuition then that would have been done first before the $1.3 million house and other unnecessary luxury items were bought

Barbbe53 said...

I hate Keight: The 25K an episode isn't their only source of income, the freebies they get on the show, endorsements, book sales, speaking engagements, book signings... all add up to alot of bucks... They can easily afford their mansion and then some. I also saw those postings re: them paying for the kids college education... what about financial aid, scholarships, grants.. loans... By the time they are through exploiting their kids they will have plenty of money to put their kids through private high school, college, grad school...

Noper said...

I read somewhere that J&K were being paid more than the $25K reported here. But $25K is still $100K a month for the greedy Gosselins. And they can definitely afford their home of $1.3 mil with no problems, even if they weren't getting additional income. Especially since EVERYTHING they do is being set up and paid for by the show.

Tanya G. said...

What gets me is that the argument Gosselin-lovers use most often is, "These parents HAVE to put their kids on TV to pay for college." How about the kids work hard, get good grades and put themselves through college? My husband got minimal help from his folks with school, had to get loans, a job (gasp!), and it made him take his education that much more seriously. But considering Kate's sense of entitlement, I doubt that kind of work ethic would be passed onto her children. After all, society has an obligation to pay for her kids, right?

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I totally agree and wish to add that there are thousands of families out there with multiple children. My husband is 1 of 6 children and his older sister has 6 of her own. My husband's family never recieved special treatment for having a large family; as a matter of fact they were actually scorned by many for being the typical "Poor Irish-Catholic" family with too many children. I guess it might be a different story if my MIL popped all 6 out at once, then I guess they would of been showered in riches.


I'm sick of hearing that they NEED to do this because of having so many children. I went to college with finanical aide and so does my husband; my mommy and daddy couldn't afford it, but I still got a great education.


They are just looking for any excuse to justify what they do. It is sad and low.



~ Off this subject note ~

For all the praising Kate does of herself for being organic; I wonder if her fertility treatments were organic too....LOL

Sherp said...

I love the kids but to date have seen no indications that they are college material.
I did pay for my kids education to the tune of about a half a million, fifteen years ago. They are making big bucks but I have not seen any of it to date.
Riches, luxury can coincide with love, nuturing and parental attention. We all want the best for these kids and only disagree on the best way to provide it. As the parents, Jon and Kate trump all.

CeCe said...

Is I am Kate, really Kate? LoL and if it is...I find it funny. So, if you are Kate, did that make you feel better stated that you were? Just thought it was sooo Odd, but then does anything this woman does make sense?

gherkin said...

Ha! That's hilarious if Jon and Kate fans think they have to continue the show in order to save for college. If they continue to rake in the big bucks, they will have no problem paying for college. But, even if they would not have the big money for college---with all of those kids, they would get massive financial aid and would end up paying little to nothing.

However, if someone doesn't start getting those kids speech therapy and working with them to learn some of the basics--like what corn on the cob looks like (good grief) or which hand is right or left, they may not be cut out for college. AND, neither of their parents went to college either, so I have a feeling that it won't be a big priority. They will probably just emulate their parents and try to freeload off of society, because after all, society owes it to them.

Sherp said...

These kids were preemies and although I think they are doing great, slower development is to be expected. In the end, they will catch up and hopefully furfill whatever potential they have.

Amy said...

I think the bottom line is, we know Kate is a total B. At this point she is using the kids. I will no longer be watching this trainwreck. After the going green fiasco, I will no longer support this evil. If no one watches, it won't be renewed. It's one thing to see trainwreck reality when it's concenting adults, but these are children. After seeing her with Steve Thomas, ungreatful to a painful degree, flirting to boot, I decided not to ever support the show by watching it.

Jennifer D said...

It makes me nuts that no matter how many times we say "the tups have free college coming" people still talk about KON paying for college. How many times does it need to be said?

Also- I have a preemie. IF the tups are delayed then they have missed the opportunity for early intervention. They should have been getting pt/ot and speech therapy all along. Kate was so worried about Maddy's teeth but she didn't think to get the tups in for speech evaulations?

Charlie Rose said...

Yes Sherp Jon and Kate as their parents trump all and they are doing such a fine job of raising them. NOT!

Kate isn't home most of the time and Jon is most likely sulking his way through life in the nearby watering hole. Yes, Jon and Kate are doing a fine job raising those kids. :)

Charlie Rose said...

I am Kate = Baby Mama! :)

MM2005 said...

How much longer are the supporters going to claim the Gosselins need to do the show to pay for the children's college education?

Rather than use one of Kate's favorite phrases -- "do the math" -- here is the math.

Since two numbers have been mentioned as the per episode fee paid to the Gosselin family for their TLC show, let's look at both scenarios.

Estimate of income from the TLC series:

Season 4
60 episodes $25,000 per = $1,500,000

60 episodes $65,000 per = $3,900,000

Add to that numerous $25,000 per church appearance fees(plus love offerings) and royalties from their two books (which could easily add up to an additional high six or even seven figure amount.)

So, TLC income, royalty and speaking engagement fees total $2,000,000 to $5,000,000.

This number does not take into account income already earned from season 3, 2 and 1, and accompanying church appearances and numerous freebies Kate and Jon solicit from any and all takers.

Plus, does anyone know if they are paid a residual fee for replaying each episode ad nauseum? Many in Hollywood are paid for each airing of an episode. And are they paid a royalty for the DVD sales of the series? It is possible we don't know the half of it when it comes to their actual income.

At this point, paying for college tuition is clearly a non-issue. So, there is no necessity that the series continue "for the children's benefit." There should be plenty of money right now to pay for college for any and all of their children. Well, that assumes they don't spend all the tups/twins earnings on mansions, vacation homes, luxury vehicles and pricey dinners at Mr. Chows before the children reach college age.

DO THE MATH said...

How much longer are the supporters going to claim the Gosselins need to do the show to pay for the children's college education?

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People are uneducated and still believe their original sob story. They can't get over the fact that the Gosselins have moved on to bigger and "greenier" pastures.

penngirl said...

It has already been well documented and reported that upon their birth, the state of PA established TAP accounts for all six of the tups. Jon and Kate will have no responsibility financially for any of those children to get an education. It is just another sorry excuse for their greed. I am from Lancaster County, and am well versed in the way these 'parents' are regarded in my hometown. There is absolutely no love lost between the Gosselins and their fellow central Pennsylvanians, believe me.

gayle said...

It does not take premies 5 years to catch up if they didn't have severe issues! That excuse doesn't work at point. I guess that just makes it easier for the parents if they throw out that excuse.
And also, I didn't watch the show, but the idea of Kate flirting is a little more than I can handle! Gross! Poor man.

Sandra said...

Charlie Rose,

I do believe that Kate is Baby Mama also. In fact I see it more and more everyday.

Sable said...

I think we all agree that there should be plenty of money for college for the children. Whether they will get it is another question.

Something else disturbed me about leaving those kids outside all day. It was February, was it not? I live in the Northeast and we had a very COLD winter. Some of those children were seen without gloves and hats some of the time. Besides, I would NEVER leave children outside all day in that cold weather. It started snowing at one point. Did anyone notice how the workers were bundled up? Not the kids!
And then Kate gleefully mentioned leaving them outside more as "spring and summer are coming." Then she said something about feeding them outside as well. Nice going Kate. Now your house can look like no one but you lives there.

Sherp said...

I am a supporter of the kids and watch the show, however, have never said its for the kids college education. The show is the family job. It, actually,takes very little time to film. It has financially provided them with a nice, one might even say great life. The tups are terrific but I find the twins annonying and glad their time in the show is at a minnimum. Its about Aeden,Alexis, Collin,Hannah,Joel and Leah. Anyone else is background noise, including but not limited to Aunt Jodie, Beth, Jon and Kate.

wronganswer said...

"How much longer are the supporters going to claim the Gosselins need to do the show to pay for the children's college education?"

Ive known a few parents (myself included) who have done some pretty desperate things to pay for their children's college education, ie second mortgage the house, borrow from 401K, take on a second job etc, collect 10 cent pop cans etc, but I have yet to meet a parent who would support EXPLOITING their children from the time they were born as the means to funding their children's college education! IMO, the children's college education was/is the least of the priorities on the list of reasons why J & K Gosselin did, do, and continue to EXPLOIT their children!

My5blessings said...

These kids were preemies and although I think they are doing great, slower development is to be expected. In the end, they will catch up and hopefully furfill whatever potential they have.
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Actually, it has been mentioned more than once. The children should have caught up by now.

Initially, they give a different growth and learning curve for preemies, having had one myself. ( only by 5 weeks) At any rate, as the other poster mentions... Jon and Kate should have utilized the services extended by their State for OT ( if needed) PT ( if needed) and ST obviously needed.

All the while these professionals are teaching AND checking for other potential deficits and how to hopefully bring them up to speed.

I don't recall ever seeing J or K take the tups to see any specialist of this type.
Wonder why that is?

jill said...

Don't forget, they might make money off of the re-runs!

lifeoriley said...

Re: Sherp
I, too am a supporter of the kids. I started to watch the show in the beginning because of them--all eight of them, I thought, were cute. However, I began to wonder whether the kid's lives were being adversely affected by so much filming. Kate has said, "3-4 days a week"--with little or no break between seasons. Private moments filmed--even cameras in the bedrooms when the tups were supposed to be napping-- industrial set lighting in the old house, etc. I didn't think it was fair to the kids to be on public display so much--they're not monkeys in a zoo.
So, even if Kate was not such a shrew and Jon was not a passive/aggressive manchild, I would still like to see the show stopped--it's a matter of degree--and this show is just too much.

Hambone said...

I can see the kids getting a little older and going to a friend's house to play. The friend says, "What shall we play?" and the G kid says, "Why, let's play Jon & Kate Plus 8" and whips out a palm frond for a boom and starts following the friend around with it, while simultaneously regurgitating "Coming up next on J&K +8".

Then, later, asks the friend, "Why doesn't your mommy yell at your daddy?" and "What's this? You eat off glass? Where's the paper and plastic?"

( Did you catch Alexis....or was it Leah....using the big curvy stick as a boom and following the dog with it in the Green episode? )

This is not normal. How Kon thinks this is normal is just scary.

Anonymomma said...

My5blessings said...
These kids were preemies and although I think they are doing great, slower development is to be expected. In the end, they will catch up and hopefully furfill whatever potential they have.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Actually, it has been mentioned more than once. The children should have caught up by now.

Initially, they give a different growth and learning curve for preemies, having had one myself. ( only by 5 weeks) At any rate, as the other poster mentions... Jon and Kate should have utilized the services extended by their State for OT ( if needed) PT ( if needed) and ST obviously needed.

All the while these professionals are teaching AND checking for other potential deficits and how to hopefully bring them up to speed.

I don't recall ever seeing J or K take the tups to see any specialist of this type.
Wonder why that is?
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Bingo! 4 out of my 5 kids were preemie. My twins were the earliest, at 32 weeks, so I will us their situation as an example. I don't know about anyone else out there but every year we have our annual physical/well check up, and our annual NICU grad check up. Their pediatrician does this for us (actually the NP in his office does). We go over milestones such as reading level, comprehension, height, weight, etc. Sort of like a well visit with the exception that they are charting things like when they got eye glasses, stuff like that. They are about to turn 12 in a couple more weeks. Now granted, they also have ADHD, PDD, and a few other impairments. But even physically, they are checked over as if they were infants. For instance, they both had sleep apnea during the first year and spent most of it on monitors. We discovered, thru one of these check ups, that they in fact still do have sleep apnea. They never grew out of it.

Personally, I see cause for concern in regards to at least two of the tups. Not naming names or pointing fingers, but the two that I have noticed got my attention because of certain behaviors they display. I won't even begin to diagnose them, I'm not their doctor. But I think that if they aren't in some sort of early intervention program (and who knows, really, behind the scenes. I doubt Kate would show any true imperfection or admit to it because God forbid they become less marketable), there are going to be serious, serious issues in their very near future.

One more thing. Anyone out there who specializes in speech? I'm curious. I know multiples make up their own 'language' between them. My twins did this. But I'm wondering. WOuldn't the fact that there are six of them (plus two older siblings) constantly around them to talk to help, not hinder, their speaking skills? I would imagine that a child who doesn't have as much interaction with other kids (i.e. an only child) would be more likely to have issues with annunciation rather than all six kids of the same age.


Kate, if you do read this blog, and if you do have the or have had the kids in EI, there is no stigma. Actually, you'd have a platform to help others, and possibley make you a little bit likeable. Just a thought.

Momto3kids said...

Anonymomma said...

Kate, if you do read this blog, and if you do have the or have had the kids in EI, there is no stigma. Actually, you'd have a platform to help others, and possibley make you a little bit likeable. Just a thought.
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Although my child was not a preemie, I have navigated the system of Early Intervention and beyond for him. Most of my 'experiences' came about because of my insistence, as his mother(& who also has a degree in child development), that my son had issues that needed professional diagnosis and attention. I am sure navigating the system would not have been as difficult if my son had been a preemie and was being followed by the proper professionals.

I honestly don't think that Kate (even though she is an RN) is equipped to notice or know what is 'normal' development in a child. Therefore, getting advice from a professional/pediatrician would be beyond her scope.

If there is something amiss, I would hope the tup's pre-school teacher would be attuned and mention something to Kate and/or Jon. Then of course, there's the issue as to whether they would listen/act or ignore/react negatively.

It has been proven that the earlier that intervention is achieved in children, the better the outcome. I pray that if there really are developmental issues, they be properly (and expeditiously) diagnosed and the proper therapies/education started.

sandy said...

I would hope that their preschool teacher(s) would at least let Kon know if there are issues. Maybe they are actually being kept off camera.
Come to think of it, Hate probably doesnt have time for such small things such as parent-teacher conferences. probably sends Jon.

jonandkatewho? said...

I won't mention names either, but I have often wondered why at least two of these kids seem to me to be off in their own little world staring at nothing...this was something I noticed in some of the earlier episodes but I don't think it has changed much.

If those were my kids, I would have them evaluated by anybody I needed to take them to. Nothing is more important than those childrens' futures.

I guess Kate and Jon don't see it that way. I like to think they have had them evaluated but just did not include it in the show, but I don't really believe that.

Poor kids. Once again, poor kids.

SpoiledMom said...

Regarding the "college tuition" ruse:
Here's a thought.... make sure ALL the children DO WELL in school, BE THERE for them, instead of exploiting them. There is a thing known as a SCHOLARSHIP that allows for a college education. Some kids even get FULL scholarships!!
With that said, is it not true that the 'tups already have a college fund in place? (an offering set in motion after their birth)
If that is true, in reality, you only have two college tuitions to be concerned about, unless you feel the twins are not capable of having a shot at a scholarship-9 years from now. Hmm, 2 college tuitions, that is what I have put away for since my children started school. I have also performed scholarship research and continue to ensure that my daughters,~who each maintain a 3.5 avereage and excel in sports and arts (band)~ have an excellent chance to reap the rewards of hard work, dedication, and discipline, by hopefully obtaining at least a partial~ if not a full~ college scholarship.
Does Kate think that her children are above implementing the same? Or, is it just easier to have it handed over to them without having to lift a finger. Yes, we all know Kate gave birth to sextuplets, but why does that entitle her to receive everything that we other mothers, and fathers, want for our children, as well.
In today's grueling economy, some families are having a difficult time with day to day expenses.
Do these families find it entertaining to turn on JK+8 to find KON in their new "mini mansion", filled with perfectly placed major brand new appliances and furniture, (product placement advertising), "house jewelry", to lower their electric bill~(due to a TVA increase, my last electric bill was $400, and I do all I can to conserve energy, believe me, I was lucky, my bill was one of the lowest amongest my neighbors.)~ not to mention all the "trips" this family takes, while those families who may be struggling day to day and feeling the pressure and stresses of providing shelter and food for their children.
Also, I have read that the first episode of season 5 starts with, wait for it, A TRIP!!
Another thing I have often wondered, do Mady and Cara have to incur any school absences to partake in any of the filming of the show, particularly the "trips" and such. I know we have "heard" that on some days, it was a holiday when the episode was filmed and the twins just happened to be out of school. Think of all the stress on the children during last season when we witnessed all the trips.."Utah", the trip to "look at land" plus their trip to NC Outer Banks; plus the other beach trip, which included their speaking engagement in SC, and of course, their San Diego/Hawaii mega trip. Kate must be counting the days until the 'tups start their first day of school. She will have all the free time she dreams of then. I wonder if she will be in attendance in person, or via Skype.

Willow #1 said...

Regarding the issue of the kids' learning and health issues: Kate does not take interest in such things. It is obvious. Way back when, she was taking a boy tup (I won't name names either) to the eye doctor and she told us she could not remember which eye of his had to be checked. She also said in one epi that she did not know if some of the kids were right or left handed or something to that effect. And then there is Joel on the floor. No use going there again. I am not sure why she had Mady get braces - probably because that is something that is really obvious. She just seems careless about some things - like it is just too hard for her. That reminds of when 2 or 3 of the tups used to get breathing treatments way back in the first season or so. Remember that? I think it was right after they moved the first time. I haven't seen that re-run in a long time, but I don't think they ever explained it much or told us when they grew out of it. My other gripe is I just want to know WHY is Hannah so privileged? There has to be a reason why K8 insists on being so obvious about it. The only thing I can think is that she used to say Hannah was her little helper and things like "the little mother has told us so". She must think Hannah loves her the most, so that is why Hannah gets rewarded. For some reason, that just bugs me the most of anything. Those kids are all so cute and sweet, I don't know how she could have favorites like that!! Oh well, I have vented enough for now!!!! Thanks for all the good postings about preemie development. Sheds a lot of light on the subject. :)

2badsosad said...

"My other gripe is I just want to know WHY is Hannah so privileged?"

This comment had me reflecting on an older episode of J & K + 8 when they drove to Florida/Disney and J & K took the tups to the beach for the first time. It was not a good beach day; it was very windy and storms were brewing. The tups were miserable and Kate was, anxious, spinning in circles ringing her hands per usual. One of the boy tups was crying because the sand was blowing on his legs. As they were leaving, Kate is seen carrying ( I believe it was Hannah) and her body covered in beach towels to protect her from the wind and blowing sand while the other children were screaming and crying, including the boy tup who disliked the blowing sand from the get go. Why was Hannah the chosen tup to be not only carried by her mother but provided additional comfort by covering her completely, head to toe, in beach towels. It never ceases to amaze me Kate's inability, as a parent of eight children, to evaluate and thus manage a stressful situation without falling apart at the seams!!

Addison said...

What do you know...The longest comment underneth the article is someone talking about how jealous and hateful the writer is. Included is all the usual "if you had the oppotunity to have your life filmed on reality TV, every single one of you haters would take it, so stop being so judgemental."

Well, personally, I would never in a million years say yes to having my whole life filmed on reality TV. Why? Because I can't f-ing stand reality TV. I find the whole "genre" ridiculous and stupid.

The article itself is great though!

konspiracytheory said...

Anonymomma said...

Kate, if you do read this blog, and if you do have the or have had the kids in EI, there is no stigma. Actually, you'd have a platform to help others, and possibley make you a little bit likeable. Just a thought.
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Anonymomma, I couldn't agree with you more. Two of my three kids had/have developmental delays (and the third has a chronic medical condition). If I were in the Gosselins shoes (haha), I'd at least use my voice to advocate for the wonders of EI. Sadly that has not happened: a very early article on the Gosselins (sorry, I saw it ages ago and don't have a link) mentions that two of the tups received PT through Easter Seals when they were little. Who knows - I guess in their mind that is something to hide.

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Momto3kids said:

Although my child was not a preemie, I have navigated the system of Early Intervention and beyond for him. Most of my 'experiences' came about because of my insistence, as his mother(& who also has a degree in child development), that my son had issues that needed professional diagnosis and attention. I am sure navigating the system would not have been as difficult if my son had been a preemie and was being followed by the proper professionals.

I honestly don't think that Kate (even though she is an RN) is equipped to notice or know what is 'normal' development in a child. Therefore, getting advice from a professional/pediatrician would be beyond her scope.

If there is something amiss, I would hope the tup's pre-school teacher would be attuned and mention something to Kate and/or Jon. Then of course, there's the issue as to whether they would listen/act or ignore/react negatively.
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You're right - there's a huge learning curve for parents when it comes to developmental delays. Sadly, if I had a dime for every story I've heard (mine included with my oldest child) of peds who dismissed parental concern I'd be rich. As far as the teachers go, it has been my experience that even many well-meaning teachers don't have the training/experience to recognize and work with children with delays. Unless the tups' teachers have a background in special ed, I wouldn't be the least bit shocked if they didn't think there were any delays. Plus, would you want to be the one to say that to Kate? ;)

readerlady said...

I've been a special ed teacher, and I, too, see some worrisome problems with the 'tups. Developmentally, most of them are more like 3 year olds than almost 5. Their speech is being deliberately retarded by their parents' - maybe in an attempt to make them appear younger and therefor "cuter" or maybe out of laziness and indifference. At 5, the twins were reading (remember an early episode that showed kindergartner Mady reading a note from her mother?). I doubt that the 'tups have even seen a book other than their mother's, or that age inappropriate book she "read" to them on the "giving back" episode.

KassaMarie said...

I am not sure why she had Mady get braces - probably because that is something that is really obvious.
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Or because the orthodontist recommended it? This was not Kate forcing Mady to get something unnecessary. I don't know about anyone else, but if my dental professional tells me my kid needs braces, I get them.

As to your later comment about Hannah, are you upset because any of the children seem to be favoured, or because you can't fathom why anyone would like Hannah, of all of them? I hate the favouritism, but many comments about Hannah (not necessary from you), suggest that people are upset about the latter, rather than the former.

Ava's Mommy said...

Great link to this blog. Kate is the mommy dearest of the new era. Jon is her christina. We love you mommy dearest.

Bella said...

"As they were leaving, Kate is seen carrying ( I believe it was Hannah) and her body covered in beach towels to protect her from the wind and blowing sand while the other children were screaming and crying, including the boy tup who disliked the blowing sand from the get go. Why was Hannah the chosen tup to be not only carried by her mother but provided additional comfort by covering her completely, head to toe, in beach towels."

THANK YOU! That clip has made me seethe red at kate. I believe it was from an episode compiled of "scenes we haven't seen yet". Like that first horrible trip to the beach and kate getting some fat sucked out with her tummy tuck. Aaden was crying and looked like he was in pain right as they got there. There was a freakin' bench there and WHY kate didn't sit him up on the bench to give his poor legs rest makes my blood boil. That whole scene was just disgusting. Then when brainiac finally buys a clue to leave because her kids are in PAIN. She makes them run on that sand with it hitting and hurting them while she freaks out and is holding her precious one. Here's an idea, you have that CAMERA CREW right there. If my kids were in pain I would have asked one of them to take one of the kids, me take one and have the OTHER camera person watch the kids who should have sat on the BENCH to protect them until everyone was loaded up.

Really, just thinking about that episode makes me want to throw kate in the ocean. There was no excuse for her or jon to drop the ball so badly when most of their kids looked completely pained and crying. Jerks.

Sable said...

Sorry, Bella, but I watched that beach scene too, and I don't think Kate was carrying Hannah. I think Hannah was walking along in front of Kate crying. It was awful to watch the kids being stung by the sand. Jon's aunt grabbed one or two of the kids and Jon ran back to help. It was an unfortunate situation. I don't know why they didn't check the weather first.

Bella said...

I think whether she was carrying hannah or another tup, it was horrible that she didn't do that with all of the kids. I'm sure she brought enough blankets for all of them. They could have covered them all with one, and taken one in each arm and gotten off the sand. It just boggles my mind because in the past they've said the "crew" has helped out with things, like packing the car, etc. That situation where they were all in pain, why wouldn't they have asked them to forgo the shooting and get the poor kids out of the line of fire.

beachluvin said...

able said...
Sorry, Bella, but I watched that beach scene too, and I don't think Kate was carrying Hannah. I think Hannah was walking along in front of Kate crying. It was awful to watch the kids being stung by the sand. Jon's aunt grabbed one or two of the kids and Jon ran back to help. It was an unfortunate situation. I don't know why they didn't check the weather first.
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They probably did check the weather first....but
THE SHOW MUST GO ON!!!!

Sad, isn't it?

Willow #1 said...

Kassa Marie: If you are referring to my comments: I meant to be sort of sarcastic about Kate getting braces for Mady. Of course they said Mady needed them, and I am very happy she got them for her. I guess I was not very clear, but what I meant was that Kate has seemed so disinterested in the past in paying attention to small issues of the kids that I was surprised she went for the braces. Just being sarcastic cuz I dislike her so much.

As far as the favoritism of Hannah - of course I am not upset about Hannah personally - just the favoritism, no matter WHO it was. Its just that I hate parents/grandparents, etc. who cannot love their kids equally. If they just absolutely CAN'T - then KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. A mother does not have to rub her favorite in everyone's face all the time. It just seems to me that sometimes Kate was like "ha ha, I can have a favorite if I want". You know what I mean?

While I am at it - another thing that is so sad is that I have heard Joel say, in at least 2 episodes for sure, that is "daddy's son" or something to that effect. He just seems so sad when he says it and it always breaks my heart, like he doesn't want to forget or something.

fightingautismfor3 said...

The show that got to me as far as Hannah is concerned was the Disney one. I saw it one time when I was cooking (so I could hear but not see the TV) and all I heard was "Hannah look at this" "Hannah come here". It seemed like she barely noticed the other kids were there. What a wonderful role model....gag me.

mrst said...

It is good to see these articles being printed. Hopefully this information will filter into more media outlets.
Sadly though, the quality of several television shows is poor.

Paula said...

Addison said...
What do you know...The longest comment underneth the article is someone talking about how jealous and hateful the writer is. Included is all the usual "if you had the oppotunity to have your life filmed on reality TV, every single one of you haters would take it, so stop being so judgemental."

Well, personally, I would never in a million years say yes to having my whole life filmed on reality TV. Why? Because I can't f-ing stand reality TV. I find the whole "genre" ridiculous and stupid.

The article itself is great though!

4/22/2009 2:11 PM

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Oh, pay no mind to her. That's probably just BabyMama, Kate's #1 stalker fan. It's her mission in life, the reason she was put here on earth and her sole purpose, to defend Kate Gosselin from all the trolls of the universe. That crazy lady would sell her own children just to be able to buy a ticket to have tea with Queen Gosselin.

You know, Kate could become a uni-bomber and BabyMama would still defend her and say we're all just jealous because we can't blow things up like Kate can. She'll never see the light about her idol. She's one cracked nut with too much time on her hands for lusting after other people's kids rather than her own.

Norma Jean said...

You know, Kate could become a uni-bomber and BabyMama would still defend her and say we're all just jealous because we can't blow things up like Kate can. She'll never see the light about her idol. She's one cracked nut with too much time on her hands for lusting after other people's kids rather than her own.

4/24/2009 1:13 PM
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That kind of obsessive adoration is scary and can become dangerous. She is a scary one, that BM!

Jane in California said...

Ava's Mommy said...

Great link to this blog. Kate is the mommy dearest of the new era. Jon is her christina. We love you mommy dearest.Ever since I first saw her referred to as Mommie Dearest, that's what I call her. Kate really is not normal. TLC and the show's producers must know this, and I guess they are weighing how long they can continue filming before something really bad happens, like Kate actually whaling one of the kids out in public and it getting picked up by a tabloid or something. The way I figure it, Kate is a train wreck waiting to happen -- sooner or later, she'll go too far and everyone who promoted her will be: "Oh, we had nooooo idea! We're totally shocked and appalled." I'm counting Oprah, Dr. Phil and the Today Show in on those who will be doing major CYA and disavowing their role in promoting this pycho.

abster said...

Very insightful.

What I want to know is what is this obsession with hair? Firts Jon gets hair trnsplant, now Kate with this bizarre haircut, which I haveactually seen emulated out in public a couple of times....so it must be a fad...would only look good on Posh. Hey Maybe KATE wants to look like Beckhams wife ,did u dcatch the fact that kates hair is DARK BROWN and cut short- almostthe whole back of her head is a buzzcut- then the short blonde on her left anf the blonde hsir hswnging in her face on her right. Can you imasgine what THAT looks like first thing in the morning????? sorry about typos, new laptop and keybaord is hard to get used to....