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Teryn said...

A post from another blog about seeing Kate at the most recent Southern Women's Show ( Nashville, I think ).



UPDATED Fri Apr 3 2009 16:52:31

First of all I have to admit that she is very pretty in person. And very tan as well.
She wore a brown mini skirt and white short sleeve jacket with white very high platform shoes that looked like she bought them from Frederick’s of Hollywood.

She only answered questions from the audience for about 45 minutes. Her answers were short and she didn’t elaborate in the least. All of the questions were bland and boring. And at one point the person next to me said “I don’t think these people watch the show at all”.

The acoustics were terrible and many people, including me, couldn’t hear most of what she said.

At least half of the questions were from children who asked about the kids.
Kate asked if Aaden was their favorite because he seems to be a favorite of most kids.
She was asked about the dogs. She didn’t specify that she still had them. But she did say that they were definitely the first and last dogs they will ever have.
Someone asked why the kids weren’t with her. She said that they don’t like a lot of people staring at them.
Someone else asked how she kept her slim figure. And she made her repeat the question 3 times. Then she said that she heard the question the first time, but wanted to have it repeated 3 times.

To be honest I was expecting her to be much thinner. I’d say that she’s average for her height.

There wasn’t much of a mob scene like I have heard about from others who have seen her. And half way through her Q&A many people got up and left.

Afterward she went to the booth of the dance company that sponsored her to sell her books and sign autographs. I didn’t stick around for that. So I don’t know what happened there.

Maybe someone else saw her there and can add their comments.

Also, I hope someone got some pics. I didn’t bring my camera and my cell camera wasn’t much good from a distance. Some people around me got some great closeups.

So that’s it. Nothing I would have paid for. But the admission was for the entire show. And there was so much more to see and do that it wasn’t a total loss.

I forgot to add…. Someone asked her about her busy schedule. She said that she is out on the road for a few days and then she goes home, pays the bills and does some paper work, stocks the house with food and is back out on the road….. What a devoted stay at home mom!!!!!

Tag said...

Wow! Mini skirt and heels that looked as if she bought them from Fredrick's of Hollywood.Mark my words......Something is gonna happen to that marriage. The signs are all there.

Tiny Tee said...

I have to admit it but I was watching the re-runs of JK+8 last night and I came across a few scenes of Carla. One was when it was the tups 3rd birthday I think
and the washing machine overflowed. All we could hear was Kate saying "Oh My" over and over again.She is such a damn drama queen. So they all went into the laundry room and Carla right away started sopping up the water with towels and Kate left the laundry room and didn't even help Carla.
When Kate had the rummage sale in front of the church Carla was shagging things in and out of the big truck and Kate just stood there barking orders. What is wrong with Carla behaving like she is one of Kate's servants?

I'm just sayin said...

There has been ample discussion about the cupcake episode but I just can't help myself and add another comment about it. When the tups were having their one year old birthday celebration it showed them all sitting in their little high chairs and digging into a whold cake made just for them. When they turned 3 or 4 Kate went all out and had a carnival for them. I saw them eating cotton candy and cake among other goodies. Then when the tups turned 4 or 5 she decides to go bonkers and not let them eat a simple little cupcake.....I simply dont understand the logic and I absolutely cant stand Kate.

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jodifur said...

I just heard the show was renewed for a 5th season. I can't say I'm surprised, but i was kind of hoping Jon would win out and the idea of what was best for the children was triumph. But Kate's greediness and need to be in the spotlight won. I just wish people would stop watching.

rachel said...

I'm thinking that what happened w/the cupcake show is this:

Production set it up and Kate was just acting that way to show how unhappy she was w/the situation. Whether it was the long drive or the fact that it was just for show, ie, not the tups real birthday. I remember watching it last summer and thinking what I just stated above. It was when I started looking at the show with different eyes b/c Kate was so clearly agitated that day for a reason that was not apparent to the viewers.

Also, I have noticed that in early episodes when she would talk to the camera, it was like she was talking to the audience (not during the interviews, during the "reality" filming). Now when she talks to the camera, it is clear that she is having a conversation with the camera person. She has totally lost touch with the average viewer, which is ironic since it is the average viewer who made her so popular in the first place.

2badsosad said...

"I forgot to add…. Someone asked her about her busy schedule. She said that she is out on the road for a few days and then she goes home, pays the bills and does some paper work, stocks the house with food and is back out on the road….. What a devoted stay at home mom!!!!!"

"pays the bills and does some paper work, stocks the house with food and is back out on the road….. What a devoted stay at home mom!!!!!"
Notice the absence of; kiss and hug my CHILDREN, spend quality time with my CHILDREN. Not a mere reference (even in passing) to her eight CHILDREN!!!

pinkdiamond611 said...

All Jane needs to do is refuse to sign the contract. Oh, but he already had signed the contract because we have learned that season 5 shows were already in the can. Don't kid yourself about Jane. He is just as guilty in this mess as Kate
-----------------------------Jodyfur said :just heard the show was renewed for a 5th season. I can't say I'm surprised, but i was kind of hoping Jon would win out and the idea of what was best for the children was triumph. But Kate's greediness and need to be in the spotlight won. I just wish people would stop watching.

4/04/2009 5:04 AM

Shari said...

No mention of her 8 children ...... that "DON'T LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE STARING AT THEM." But I'm just SURE they LOVE having cameras watching their every move (and mood) for the world to make fun of them .... I can't imagine what it's like for Cara and Mady in school and it's going to be even worse for the tups.

And speaking of Carla ... where is she, anyway? Did Kate cut her out of their lives too? And the list goes on and on .....

Wynema said...

That just goes to show what LIARS J/K are. In the farewell episode they said that they weren't sure if there was gonna be a season 5 and they knew good and darn well that they had already filmed parts of it!

Then Jon boy boo hoo's and said that he doesn't have privacy anymore. Oh waa waa waa. Who has ya?

Bella said...

Re the cupcake episode. I thought at the beginning of the show she said she asked the tups what they wanted for a b.d. if they wanted a BIG party like last year and she said they choose the cupcake thing. Really?? Kate played it off as she would have rather gone for the big party idea but think about it. I'm pretty sure that day wasn't the tups actualy b.d. but it was around the time they were cutting jodi/kevin and beth out of their lives. I imagine they "opted" for no party because they wouldn't have had anyone to invite. Maybe mady/cara would have but what friends did the tups have that weren't family members or beth?

Either way, whether it was their real b.d. that day or not, promising their cupcake then taking it away made my blood boil. I remember have babysitters in school (no way were they actual teachers) that would do the same thing and we kids detested them. Its such a jerky thing to do, ESPECIALLY when they have to sit and watch their sisters eat theirs. Telling 'ya if kate is still in their lives when those boys become teenagers they are not going to listen to a word she says and seriously rebel.

3angelsmom said...

The recent TMZ video of Jon & Kate flying across the country to eat at Mr. Chow's and get attention from the paparazzi made me wonder....

When they decided to move, why the heck move to Wernersville? They're not in contact or close with family & friends, so that can't be the reason. Other bloggers have reported that they don't interact with neighbors or fellow church members. Kate seems to enjoy the spotlight, so why not move to LA/NYC? Or at the very least, Philly or Pittsburgh if they have some nostalgic ties to PA?

Do they enjoy being big fish in a small pond? A 1 million+ home in Wernersville wouldn't buy much in a bigger city. Is there some in-your-face we're-so-special attitude they want to express to the locals? Why else would Kate run down the doctor whose home they bought. Does she want to flaunt her fame and money to those she knows but no longer speaks to? Or are they tied to the area in some way for filming?

These aren't rhetorical questions. I'm curious as to others' take on this.

Jennifer A. said...

I'm sorry, I feel bad leaving my kids once a year with their father and my Mother in Law to go to a scrapbooking weekend. How can Kate leave them on a continual basis with paid help? If this was back a couple of years ago, she wouldn't be flying all over the country, checking in occasionally, and leaving again.
Also, when did she get so fashionable? A couple seasons back she had Jon pick her clothes and now she loves to shop?

shel said...

Carla wasnt a friend she was a helper. she was there to help. her job was childcare kate mentioned it in the past and in the summer she was there to help kate. Jon didnt want to stop the show because of what it is doing to the kids he wanted to stop the show because he was caught drunk in a bar full of college students. I dislike Jon more than Kate these days and some of the things I see he is not very nice to the kids.

Hambone said...

In regards to Cupcake-gate.....

I'm pretty sure the tups birthday fell on a Saturday last year. This cupcake thing was filmed on a Sunday after church....not their real birthday.

That would all be fine and dandy IF Jon and Kate would have explained it wasn't their actual birthday, but they chose to lead the viewers astray by making them think this day was their b-day...hence the uproar about w/holding a birthday cupcake. It's their own fault. Not once did they look int that camera and say, "The kids actual birthday was the day before ( or whenever ),and they had cake and ice cream on their actual b-day." Nope! They just let viewers believe this cupcake day was their birthday and was all they were doing this year.

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carolyn said...

When they decided to move, why the heck move to Wernersville? They're not in contact or close with family & friends, so that can't be the reason. Other bloggers have reported that they don't interact with neighbors or fellow church members. Kate seems to enjoy the spotlight, so why not move to LA/NYC? Or at the very least, Philly or Pittsburgh if they have some nostalgic ties to PA?

Do they enjoy being big fish in a small pond? A 1 million+ home in Wernersville wouldn't buy much in a bigger city. Is there some in-your-face we're-so-special attitude they want to express to the locals? Why else would Kate run down the doctor whose home they bought. Does she want to flaunt her fame and money to those she knows but no longer speaks to? Or are they tied to the area in some way for filming?


I often wondered this myself. Reading the comments from the Reading Eagle articles it is CLEAR that the locals clearly despise them. If I were Jon and Kate I would not be able to show my face or flaunt my extravagant lifestyle knowing so many of my local residents hate me. But then again, KON is so oblivious to everything I am not surprised.

Arwen said...

3 angels - After reading the posts about how Kate is constantly gone from their home, I was also wondering if they might move away from PA.

My thoughts were that Kate (as per usual) would be thinking of herself and not the family. Possibly the kids would not want to move as even though we never see them interact with friends, surely the twins must have some other children that they play with on a regular basis. The tups - maybe not - as it seems as if they are an entity unto themselves and do not have true interaction with other kids.

The main reason I was thinking that Kate would want to move was that it seems she has become bored with rural PA and her life style there. She seems to have gotten comfortable with flying all over the country. She must enjoy staying at hotels and eating out as she does it so much and proclaims her love for her new life style.

From what she says, it appears that she just drops back in to their home every once in a while to pay bills and buy food for them before she leaves again. If she does not want to spend quality time with the kids anymore, it would seem like a major city would be much more convenient for them to live in as she would be around the kind of people she now seems to enjoy.

mrst said...

I would like to thank the person who wrote to the dog lady in the 4-2-9 Cleveland Plain Dealer regarding the puppies. The dog lady responded with many great points.

4girlsoneboy said...

3angelsmom said...
"The recent TMZ video of Jon & Kate flying across the country to eat at Mr. Chow's and get attention from the paparazzi made me wonder....When they decided to move, why the heck move to Wernersville? They're not in contact or close with family & friends, so that can't be the reason. Other bloggers have reported that they don't interact with neighbors or fellow church members. Kate seems to enjoy the spotlight, so why not move to LA/NYC? Or at the very least, Philly or Pittsburgh if they have some nostalgic ties to PA?"

As a local I often wondered the same thing. We aren't even convenient to major airports for someone who travels as much as they do. I can't help but think it may have something to do with no restrictive child labor laws in Pennsylvania. I also have an idea that evil-Kateivel loved being able to throw her new found wealth in the faces of the locals. Someday someone will write the tell-all and all of our questions will be answered - mark my words!

amilfsheisnt said...

"Also, when did she get so fashionable?"

When Kate's PR team acquired her a stylist to dress her from head to toe.

JShine said...

3angelsmom said...

When they decided to move, why the heck move to Wernersville? They're not in contact or close with family & friends, so that can't be the reason. Other bloggers have reported that they don't interact with neighbors or fellow church members. Kate seems to enjoy the spotlight, so why not move to LA/NYC? Or at the very least, Philly or Pittsburgh if they have some nostalgic ties to PA?

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My thoughts are that it has to do with the show being a "reality show of a 'normal' couple with a lot of kids" and if they suddenly moved into a mansion in Beverly hills, that would really blow the whole thing out of the water. We all know this show is a scam, but it is all about appearances, and trying to convey this family in a certain light, even if we aren't being fooled. Just my two cents.

Where are these articles mentioned about locals hating them? I'm very curious, and I wish more locals would post what they know, what there experiences are, because in all of this, I think they have the most truth at the moment.

Hannah W. said...

If Kate moves to LA, I wonder how long it would be before she's seen hanging with Paris. Oh wait that's Jon that hangs out with the young, blonde girls, my mistake. I should've worded the first sentence, how long would it be before we see Jon hanging with Paris?

SmartyQ said...

...Amy... said...
What 4.5 year old would be able to fully appreciate a trip to Korea? I can understand maybe Jon and Kate going to Korea (if they paid for it, of course, but who the hell am I kidding?) and then taking the kids when they're older. Unless they had really committed to raising the kids part Korean (instead of cooking a Korean dinner here and there and trying to use chopsticks), those 8 kids are going to be in for a MAJOR, MAJOR culture shock, and it won't be pretty AT ALL. It will melt-down central in Seoul.


One cannot appreciate the culture of a country unless one studies the history because history shapes the culture. Can you imagine either Kon reading even one book, nay, pamphlet about Korean history? QFI couldn't even handle the train man's short history without making snide comments, and I'm not sure Jane can read.

It seems odd to me that, if Kon is really interested in Korean culture, they would start by wondering how and why their ancestors came to Hawaii. I know the answer, but I'll bet the Orange One and the Squishy Face do not.

I also find it odd that so much emphasis is placed on the Asian ancestry, which is, in Jane's case, half, and in the children's, one-fourth. What about their European ancestry?

Finally, the first time QFI does her Japanese bow, she'll learn that Koreans don't like that. They well remember when Japan conquered and occupied Korea.

Reading news said...

Arwen said...

"From what she says, it appears that she just drops back in to their home every once in a while to pay bills and buy food for them before she leaves again. If she does not want to spend quality time with the kids anymore, it would seem like a major city would be much more convenient for them to live in as she would be around the kind of people she now seems to enjoy."

I believe that she does drop in every once in awhile but only for filming - definitely not to pay bills or stock up on food. There is no way that she would have the brains nor education to handle the bills in their circumstances. The balance sheet for this family would definitely call for a Certified Public Accountant. I also remember that some time ago Jodi's sister said that she had someone who did their food shopping for them. Come on people - everything about their life is scripted and I am so surprised by poster's comments that sound like they are talking about their next-door neighbor.

2badsosad said...

IMO, without a doubt , Kate is occupying a part time residence in NY. There is no way this self proclaimed uber organized control freak is 'living out' of her suit case from week to week between PA to NY. J & K may have promised their children that they will always be 'together', but left out one important detail , the terms of their 'togetherness' did not and does not include residing full time in the same household!!!!

RealMom said...

Re: Cupcake episode.
It was set up by TLC and I think Jon had mentioned that. The ladies who ran the place opened it up so they could have the place to themselves on a Sunday. Don't know if the ladies were reimbursed by TLC or if it was their dime since they got promotion out of it. Should be interesting to find out though. The thing that annoyed me the MOST was Kate's rude attitude about the whole thing. She obviously did not want to be there, made nasty comments throughout about them geting dirty and how they could not eat the cupcakes because they wore "church" clothes. Jon said he didn't care and she said he isn't the one washing the clothes. She complained the whole time and made nasty faces like she couldn't wait to leave. You could even hear her in the background telling the kids to stop, wipe their hands, don't touch and complaining. She hated it. I thought the women helping the kids were really nice and patient. I would just love to talk to them!!!!

My5blessings said...

I also find it odd that so much emphasis is placed on the Asian ancestry, which is, in Jane's case, half, and in the children's, one-fourth. What about their European ancestry?
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Exactly!!! That is the issue I have with so much emphasis placed on only a small part of their ancestry.

My husband and I are many things. My children have heard all about my "roots." Not just one. She's, to me, a bit OCD ( I know-- shocker, eh) on zoning in simply the Korean side of her children.

I don't understand why they wouldn't want to share all aspects with their children. ( as much as they can understand, they are young)

Maybe it's purely me and that's okay if it is, but I find it bordering offensive. As if that's is the only important part of their family make up.

Me said...

shele said "Carla wasn't a friend she was a helper"
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Kate said "Oh I've known Clara like forever most of my life"

Carla was hired to babysit yet Kate said that she "had" Carla clean the grime off of the cubboards. It seems like Carla was bumped from being a babysitter to a gopher for Kate.

I'm just sayin said...

I think Kate and Jon are just "wanna be's"

Taking them to Korea to learn about their roots!

Taking them here and there for this reason and that reason so that they can become "cultured"
(They do it for the $$$$)

J/K put to much emphasis of b/s all for the sake of fame and fortune.

Why not let the kids be kids and just BE?

They are nuts!!!

carolyn said...

Where are these articles mentioned about locals hating them?

JShine - the articles are on this website under Relevant Articles under the Reading Eagle Blog entries.

the other judy said...

Upcoming new show:
"Jon and Kate 90210"

Join Jon and Kate Gosselin as they celebrate their new status as Beverly Hills' newest "Aaron and Candy Spelling"

Kate plans on being mentored by Candy Spelling. She would like to learn how to become even more greedy and completely alienate herself from all her children like Candy did!
The kids will stay in Wernersville with their "sitter" but will be flown out to tape episodes like "First day of school in Beverly Hills"
or "Playdates with Gwyneth and Apple"
And of course for their upcoming premiere movie "Kate is Gr8t"!
Kate tells us that the children are thrilled that mommy's career is taking off. She also mentions that Jon still has a hard time adjusting to fame but that she is THRILLED her career is taking off.
So look out Hollywood, Kate is here to stay!!!

(that was slightly cathartic..lol)

Curiositykilledthekat said...

I've got a question for all of you whom are willing to answer really. I hope this gets posted too, I'm really curious/interested as to everyones opinions and it was a discusion we had amongst co-workers at work. (It was a long one too lol) So here goes, We all know the reasons most of us either dont watch or just cant plain stand this show. A lot of us may have different reasons but I think the main or basic ones are the freebies they get, their "fame", and the whole "Kate's career" deal...give me a break! Not to mention, child exploitation and NO privacy excuses. Johny boy complains about no privacy when all 8 of his kids have not had any at a very young tender age. He's clearly upset that he can't go out and get drunk w/out rumours being spilled out into the media. Anyway, what I was basically wondering was if there would be a dramatic change in season 5, such as a bit more privacy, way less advertisement and etc., would anyone reconsider watching it and taking it more serious once again? I personally dont think so. The damage has been done and in all honesty I dont see either parent w/intentions or even willing to fix things. Especially by reading about her last "speech or appearance". If so, what would make anyone want to start watching this show again? Myself and others have said we are just plain tired of watching "big families". If we are sooo sick of watching these big families, what are the whole speeches for?? Why do people who DO NOT have big families even care to hear about them??? Just curious.

Abby said...

I just read "Multiple Ble$$ings" (library...didn't pay a cent for it!) and have some observations.

1. Just like the show, the book is all about KATE. Jon barely has a voice. The kids are mentioned only in how they affected KATE. It's all about Kate's "hardships" how she valiantly struggled through (weeks?) of infertility, how hard the pregnancies were and how folks didn't understand her....I've never seen someone blessed with so much have such a martyr complex.

2. Kate tries to explain away controversies like the way she treated helpers and nurses by saying, "wouldn't you do everything you possibly could for your precious babies? Those babies and the stress of motherhood is her excuse for EVERYTHING...her behavior, her treatment of others, her demands...it's all "for the babies." Yet, the book is all about HER.

3. Kate speaks of her family only in passing and only in relation to what they did for her. Nothing about her childhood or her parents other than they were among the many babysitters enlisted. Jon's dad gets the most mention. I guess he gave them the most $$.

4. Whoever wrote that Kate loves babies but not kids is spot on. Reading her describe her BABIES bears no resemblance to watching her with her KIDS on the show. The Kate who couldn't bear to leave her BABIES is now the Kate who can't bear to be with her KIDS.

5. The book is laced heavily with religion. A bible verse begins each chapter and the book ends with Kate sermonizing on how "God will provide". As a Christian, I normally welcome anyone sharing their faith but I humbly disagree with Kate's view of God. She seems to see God as little more than her personal ATM...dispensing gift cards, checks, envelopes of cash, and other anonymous gifts. I have to wonder, if she hadn't gotten all those things would she still trust "God will provide"? Would she still love and trust in God if they were still living in that first little house with no show, no freebies, no endless supply of cash rolling in? And what about other Christians who don't have these luxuries? Does God love them less or think they DON'T deserve it??

I don't see God as Santa Claus dropping gifts down to me. I see him as my Sovereign Lord who deserves my love and praise no matter what my circumstances are.

Back to point #1..Kate has no clue about suffering or hardship. Let's see what she says about God and faith if and when she ever does.

Sorry to ramble! I just finished the book and needed to express these rambling thoughts. Thanks for being a sounding board! :)

Amy said...

Curiositykilledthekat said...

To answer your question Curiositykilledthekat....no. Bottom line, its still exploiting the children. And, they are still legally not entitled to the money that they worked for and gave up their privacy for.

Fay said...

Why would they take their family to Korea, when they have nothing to do with Jons mother,she would be the perfect person to teach the children about their family history,you dont have to drag these kids half way around the world to teach them about culture,oh ya,sorry its Kon they never see whats in front of them.

roelizzard said...

About cupcake-gate. . .
it doesn't really matter if it was or wasn't their birthday, were it the rest of us taking our kids to a special place to decorate cupcakes, we wouldn't refuse our child that special dessert when they got home! It's just plain mean-spirited.

I was thinking about Kate as my family and I were making our weekly trip to Aldi. I had read a post here somewhere about how when the show first started, it showed them shopping at discount groceries like Aldi and what-not, and now she insists on all (not really) organic. I honestly don't ever remember an episode where I didn't hear her prostheletizing about organic food.

And finally (I'm sorry, I'm especially agitated about Kon today). . .her whole new "style". A brown skirt with white hooker heels in March isn't stylish! If that is the result of a stylist, that person should be fired!

LuuLuu said...

Kate is very pretty in person. I think it comes as a bit of shock to people who only became familiar with the show after the first season, because we got to know her as a domineering, bitter, nasty shrew. These qualities don't really bring out someone's inner beauty, do they? I think the first time I noticed they were an attractive pair was when I tried looking for video of their vow renewal online, and came across footage of their first wedding, instead. They were both absolutely glowing with youth and love.

I've seen them in person a few times, but again, it never occured to me that she was attractive. Her personality ages her by 15 years, somehow, even though she behaves like a bratty adolescent.

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

I agree with Curiositykilledthekat. I am also tired of thr big familiy shows as well as all the medical oddity shows on TLC. I admit, like a lot of people, I enjoyed J&K when they lived in the first house and we saw them struggling to pay bills, keep up with the meals and daily care of 8 kids. I started to see my first glimpse of the selfish Kate when she was getting the free tummy tuck, put up in hotel and then stay at the Dr's house to recover but still hinted about getting a "boob job". I remember thinking that was rather nervy of her. They moved into the "bigger house" and I read all the back news articles and they were not what they seemed. The endless trips and free merchandise, the mini mansion just added to me losing interest. It also happened with the Roloffs as well. They no longer struggle and go on trips about 4-5 times a year. BTW does Matt even work anymore at all? Anyway, I would watch the Duggar specials but the actual series holds no interest. The Hayes family, who don't live very far from me, and I know people that know them and vouch that they are great parents that want to do right by their kids, but after the first week I won't be watching again.

I guess $$$ is the reason people do these specials/series but if I weighed 1,000, with trees for arms and had an invisible twin as tumor I don't think I would want to share it with the world!

RealMom said...

Curiosity: my response, sorry for any typos. My family and I started watching and became hooked. Don't know why, but the kids were funny as toddlers usually are. For some reason it clicked. We liked seeing how a big family operates on a small budget which is what we thought we were seeing. We are not fanatics at all but were amazed how Kate could be home alone with 8 kids and not go crazy while the husband worked. We couldn't imagine how they could function financially with a family of 10.We did not think we "knew" the family or sent them gifts. We just enjoyed the show.A glimpse into a life very unlike ours. Plus as our kids are getting older now we kinda forget what having little ones if really like so it helped us to remember. We liked seeing how they budgeted for trips, clothes, toys, holidays, etc. We also were curious about what the toddlers were up to. They always made us laugh. But I was a little taken back sometimes with the way Kate bossed Jon around. thought it was a little nasty and uncalled for and sometimes downright embarrassing. Made me take a hard look at my own attitude toward my family. Anyway then I began to hear about their "newfound" financial situation. I know they are being compensated by TLC, as are all the others, but I guess I did not realize how much. I started to dislike them this season. The new, really expensive house, the expensive trips, and Kate's attitude are some of the reasons I am not a fan anymore. I just cannot relate anymore. They have gotten too big. It is not the product placement at all for me because I see that everywhere. I just feel like I was duped, like the things I liked about them (being a normal family living a normal life) were all fake. I knew the little day trips were planned for the cameras. Heck I know amusement parks and all are about $50.00 to $75.00 per person so I knew they could never afford that on one salary. Hershey Park cost me a bunch when I went 8 years ago! When I became aware of all the money they were collecting from the churches I started to view them differently. I think that is what sets them apart from the other "large" family shows. They don't do that, at least we have not heard about it yet if they do. Anyway, I am not too interested in them as much but I will probably check in to see how the kids are growing and, hopefully, maturing. I think if they are going into K in Sept. they have a lot of growing up to do because they are still acting a little too much like babies and they will be 5 soon. I will not watch any of the other "large" family or "little" family shows. TLC is just getting a little too freakish for me. I enjoyed the
Gosselins at one point but I am not interested in any other family shows anymore. I think the one thing I have really learned is to pay attention to my own family. Thank you.

Tiny Tee said...

Abby,

Wow! #5 caught my attention the most. Great comment.

Narcissism Please said...

my brain is so utterly gob-smacked with ALL of this ..mainly the hooker heels, korea, et. al. .. that i don't even know where i could start to get anywhere with anything to be said.


i would honestly believe that kate was an attractive woman in person IF her hair wasn't so JACKED THE HECK UP. [and she was not so ill-willed and gnarly.]
to each his [or her] own, i know.
but .. that 'do has evolved in to something horriffically horrific and .. just, yikes.


as per continuing to watch if the konopoly was to retrograde back to 'normalcy?'
absolutely not.
why would i let myself be subjected to yet another sham?
this family will never be 'normal,' ever again. not matter what.
when jon said something to the extent of ' there's no going back,' i do believe him to be correct.
sure, they can give the crew/figure8/tlc a swift kick out the door, call it quits, whatnot else ..
but they're still "jon and kate and cara and maddy and alexis and leah and aaden and hannah and joel and collin gosselin."
people who's lives have been changed, forever.
in a horrendously horrendous way.

lifeoriley said...

I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before regarding Carla--but didn't she and her daughter start out by babysitting sometimes? Then Carla's jobs changed to helping with yardwork or putting away laundry or whatever Kate needed. Carla was paid, but I also got the impression that they were friends as well--so in effect, she as been a "helper" since the beginning of the show.
Also, with respect to the nanny not being called a "nanny", but a "helper"-- I think, as some have mentioned before, the term "nanny" sounds more upper-class, and the G's want viewers to think they are an average family. However, I also think that calling someone a "helper" opens up the job description (like Carla) to include helping Kate with whatever she sees fit for you to do--not just taking care of the kids. Many nannies will serve or prep meals and do light housework in addition to caring for the children, but I bet that Kate wants a "helper" to do other tasks as well (errands, doggie duty, etc.)

thecloserfan said...

Regarding KON moving to California vs. staying in Pennsylvania. California has strict child labor laws that include children in reality television series. If they move to California, there goes their filming 3-4 days a week.

Amy said...

I read on another blog that at the Southern Women's show that Kate said Jon is working at home and also working on a spin off of J/K+8. Can anyone who was at the show confirm this statement?

Me said...

lifeoriley,
I think that Carla and her daughter did start off as a babysitter but then we did see Carla doing other tasks that Kate had her doing. What gets me is how quick Carla "jumps" when Kate needs anything as if Kate is the queen and Carla is the lady in waiting. Along a different note have any of you noticed how Kate refers to some of the women as "girls?" She did that twice in Hawaii. Once at the spa and also when those 2 beautiful island Hawaiian women were giving dancing lessons. Kate also refered to her "helper" not nanny as a very nice "girl" From what I understand the helper is married. What is the girl thing all about?

overwithKON said...

Anyway, what I was basically wondering was if there would be a dramatic change in season 5, such as a bit more privacy, way less advertisement and etc., would anyone reconsider watching it and taking it more serious once again?

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Good question~ for me NO. I never really had much time that I liked them, I started watching it last fall and caught on really quick, but it was in the middle of the downhil slide. I like the kids, they are adorable, but I really want them to have a life, and if there was a major change in the show all I can think is that they would show more of K8 and Jane, and nobody cares about them. They are the most boring people ever.

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If we are sooo sick of watching these big families, what are the whole speeches for?? Why do people who DO NOT have big families even care to hear about them??? Just curious.
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I like to see the big families. It is very interesting to me and I feel that people are so brave to have more than 2. But that is just me and my thoughts. I dont think J and K are brave, they are lucky that all their kids survived, and I know that now. But families like the Duggars and table for 12 are interesting, they want their children, and think about what is best for them. And I do think Jim Bob and Michelle are brave, how many times has she been pregnant? 17? 18 kids - 2 sets of twins- one misscarriage. I think that is right. But Kate, she just got lucky.

Anyway, thats how I feel about it!

overwithKON said...

Whoever wrote that Kate loves babies but not kids is spot on. Reading her describe her BABIES bears no resemblance to watching her with her KIDS on the show. The Kate who couldn't bear to leave her BABIES is now the Kate who can't bear to be with her KIDS.
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Spot on, I know a whole family of women like this, my dh's mother and all of her 5 sisters. Between all 6 girls and their 2 brothers they had over 50 children, all but my husband and his brother and sister were not cared for by their mother after they were a baby. They all just kept on having babies to have cute babies I guess, and I will tell ya, there are alot of screwed up 30 - 40 year olds right now just from that family. Most of those kids have gone on to have many kids because they dont know better and we may end up with one of the youngest right now because the mom had to go back into rehab.

Its funny, cuz I have been watching this happen for years in this family, and now all the grandchildren(I have 2 of them) are growing up, and they hardly get any attention from the women of his family once they turn about 2.5 years old. Its really sad and it bugged me at first but at least my kids have a normal grandma on my side! LOL! My girls are tweens now and they have started asking questions about this behavior, cuz they have seen the babies take over. Hopefully my girls will not act like this, actually I know they wont, but this is EXACTLY how Kate acts.

Anonymomma said...

An observation about Kate getting rid of the helpers. She did so right after TLC stepped in and we all assumed she possibly did it to keep people from knowing too much/saying too much but I actually think it was because they would find out how much exactly, the Gosselin's were being compensated for the show. She had to get rid of them so they wouldn't blow her cover. Same with family.

My5blessings said...

From what I understand the helper is married. What is the girl thing all about?
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It is actually pretty cut and dry.
It is a person's way of belittling(sp)another.
She just said without saying it, this person is so beneath me she doesn't deserve to be called by her proper title, her name and so on.
Can you imagine introcuding someone in the work place as "the boy" or "the girl!" Imagine the backlash from that!!!!

I guess I have missed so many episodes. I don't ever recall seeing Carla or her daughter.

Kate really does place herself in a high *entitled* position.

Anonymomma said...

I wanted to drop a line about something that happened to me today, well, my daughter.

My fifteen month old began running a fever last night. No symptoms of a cold. No ear pulling. Nothing that would indicate a flu or anything like that. I was boggled. But took her temp (102) and gave her Motrin and babied her until 2:00am at which point my hubby took over, camping out on the living room floor with her because she refused to sleep anywhere else.

We just as well assumed she was just coming down with something the older kids brought home from school. No real biggie.

This morning, I awoke to the hubby busting though the bedroom door, baby in tow, absolutely freaking out. He said she woke up screaming, not crying but screaming. And was hot as hell. I reached and he handed her off to me. Immediately, I felt her burning up. He ran for the thermometer and her temp was 103.5, in just a diaper. He had already given her another dose of Motrin right before he ran her up to me, and offered her a bottle full if ice water.

Fifteen minutes later and we are down in the living room in the rocking chair cuddling. I asked her to show me her boo boo but she just laid on my lap. Not being able to detect what was wrong, I went down a list. I asked her if her ears hurt. No answer. Head? No answer. Teeth? No answer. Belly button? She began to wail like you don't even know.

In the meantime, the hubby is on the net looking up everything from meningitis to MRSA thinking something was terribly wrong. We had half the family on stand by for help in watching the other four kids in case we needed to rush the baby to the hospital.

And then, something occurred to me. Her belly button hurt. I felt her belly, and it wasn't rigid but she did cry. The culprit? Constipation. Really, really bad constipation. We immediately gave warm chammomile tea and baby laxative to her, with another dose of Motrin. So far, she's ok. Definately better than she was this morning but not quite 100% (instructions warn us of that in another 3-4 hours lol). ANd I'm about to put her in the tub in hopes of relaxng her little tummy some.

Anway my point is. I am not a nurse. Just a mom (of 5, not even 8). I know I didn't pick up on it right away, but it was basically common sense to go down a list of possibilities. SO when Kate was in that store buying beds and her son (sorry, I get them confused all the time) was able to verbally tell her what was wrong, she still chose to ignore him and leave him in excruciating pain. I'm sorry but IMO when it gets to that point it becomes an emergency. Those beds should have waited, free or not. I'm sure the proprietor would have understood.

If I ever am out and about and run into Kate (and believe me I live pretty damn close to her), she better have that bodyguard with her. No child should have ever purposefully suffered like that.

Sorry for the rant. It's been a long day.

Tiny Tee said...

Yes but it was Kate who wanted "just one more" not Jon!

Now it appears that all she wants to do it get away from them and leave them with Jon.

Tami said...

First of all I have to admit that she is very pretty in person. And very tan as well.
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Then she must look very different from on tv. I don't think she's pretty at all and I find her to be orange, not tan, on my tv.

Tami said...

I saw them eating cotton candy and cake among other goodies. Then when the tups turned 4 or 5 she decides to go bonkers and not let them eat a simple little cupcake.....I simply dont understand the logic and I absolutely cant stand Kate.
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It wasn't about not being able to eat cupcakes. They WERE allowed to eat them, just not at that particular moment on their birthday.

Tami said...

would anyone reconsider watching it and taking it more serious once again? I personally dont think so
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No, because now that her true colors have been shown, anything else would just be more lying/faking/damage control.

Jane in California said...

I happened to catch part of a rerun of Say Yes to the Dress this morning, and it was an episode I hadn't seen before - where Kate is picking out her free recommitment dress. The other bride they showcased came with her fiance and what appeared to be her future MIL and other family members. I couldn't decide which "bride" I would want to be less. On the one hand, there was Kate, all alone, trying on dress after dress. No friends, no family, no one at all except a camera crew. If I had the opportunity for such an experience, I would want to have at least a couple of girlfriends along, because it would make the whole experience so much more enjoyable.

However, the other bride had her fiance with her, her future MIL, and several other relations -- all of whom apparently felt 100% comfortable picking apart each and every dress the bride tried on!
If I was that bride, I would have taken off the engagement ring and run from the store. I can only picture the future she'll have, with her bossy husband dictating what pattern plates she picks out, her MIL selecting her bedroom colors, and her sisters-in-law criticizing her cooking!

For me, Kate is a lesson. You reap what you sow. She has already driven away her parents, her siblings and her friends. She's in the process of driving Jon away. The twins are getting wise to her.

Children do grow up. Sometimes they even write tell all books.

jonisatool said...

"I read on another blog that at the Southern Women's show that Kate said Jon is working at home and also working on a spin off of J/K+8. Can anyone who was at the show confirm this statement?"

Well, if that stripper, Daisy, from Vh1's Rock of Love can get her own spin off reality tv show, the idea of Jon Gosselin getting his own spin off really isnt all that far fetched. Not impressed!

shann said...

I read on another blog that at the Southern Women's show that Kate said Jon is working at home and also working on a spin off of J/K+8. Can anyone who was at the show confirm this statement?
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Possible spin offs;

Jon minus 9

Kate hates her eight

lmao

JShine said...

Jane in California said...

Children do grow up. Sometimes they even write tell all books.



I very much so, see Maddy doing this.

My5blessings said...

Curiositykilledthekat said...
If we are sooo sick of watching these big families, what are the whole speeches for?? Why do people who DO NOT have big families even care to hear about them??? Just curious.
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I am not sure people care to hear about them as you might be thinking. Not in that light.

I see it more of something you discuss at this point when something goes terribly wrong. It tends to be a topic of discussion. I seriously doubt this blog would be up and running if it were a glorious show and they were upstanding parents.

They are discussed so agressively because of the horrendous behavior perpetrated upon others--mainly thier children.

For me....... I can't stand the show because she's such a vicious person. I see her as extremely devious and cruel.

When a Mother can be that unkind to their children, it leaves me with zero respect for them. I know someone said they feel sympathy for her. I feel none. My sympathy is strictly left for her children.

Jon and all the other adults can defend themselves. They have mouths. Those kids have no way whatsoever to defend themselves against her, Jon or TLC. They are at the complete mercy of those who should be protecting them, nurturing their childhood.

In regard to you asking about what they receive and if that plays a role in whether to watch or not.
It is a little disgusting the things they "get"-- the amount of money they make-- but that is certainly not the reason I would or wouldn't watch. I 'm not naive enough to believe everyone else isn't getting paid for their appearance. BTW, I feel the same way about baseball, football etc. I think they are paid vulgar amounts of cash for very dam little.
So, her and Jon are not alone when it comes to be overpaid for their "career"

I'm just sayin said...

I dont give a rat's butt if if was or wasn't the tups birthday or just a Tuesday afternoon. Those children were taken to a bakery,made their own special cupcake and were told that they could eat them and then DENIED!
What the heck would happen to them had they not finished their dinner and ate a few bits of a cupcake?

Tangerine Tanya said...

Anonymomma I hope that your baby is feeling much better. Poor little baby. You and your husband sound like very loving parents. Your daughter is lucky to have you as her Mom.

Imagine that Kate is a nurse and didn't have the sense to love and nuture Joel the way you did your daughter.

notintheknow said...

I believe Jon is working on a show about his self and different travels. Showing the different resorts and what you can do in them around the country. Like showing him snowboarding in Utah or something of that sort. That's more than likely the "spinoff".

Blessed Mama of 5 said...

I have a personal story to share, from 2 years ago...

My husband and I have 5 kids (born one at a time!), and having a large family myself, I had become a huge fan of the show. Especially those early episodes, when their struggle to make ends meet seemed so genuine. I remember seeing them eat at Shady Maple, and how sorry I felt for Jon, it seemed to take forever before he actually got to eat something himself. My husband and I have experienced that, ourselves, many times.

Well, we live in PA and my husband happens to be the executive chef and part owner of a major Philadelphia restaurant. I told him that I felt so sorry for this sweet couple, who I was sure hardly ever got out for a nice meal. I asked him if he could offer them a free dinner, and he thought it was a really nice thing he could do for them. He sent an email to their website, which was quickly answered. Kate was thrilled and gratefully accepted the offer. We corresponded back in forth for the several months leading up to the dinner, and she was always very sweet in her emails.

The night came for their evening out and my husband took royal care of them. He prepared all their favorite foods and I believe the restaurant even threw in a bottle of champagne. My husband came out to their table and chatted with them a bit, he said that they were both really nice people.

Then they left....
The manager came to tell my husband that they did not leave a tip for the server, nothing at all. My husband felt so awful, he reached into his own pocket and paid a hefty tip to the server, because it should be based upon what the bill would have been (and believe me, money is extremely tight for us, a family of 7, with no freebies). When he told me about that, I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. I said, "maybe they just didn't know, maybe we only know because we are in this business. You said it would be a free dinner, so maybe they assumed that included the tip...."

I am still willing to believe that they really didn't know about the tip thing....

What did hurt, was the fact that there was no email to even thank us for their evening out. My husband treated them like royalty, he prepared the most expensive ingredients he could get his hands on, all to their liking. Kate had been in such great contact leading up to the night, I couldn't understand why she didn't send a thank you email that evening, or even the next day. Three days went by, and still nothing. Feeling very awkward, I finally sent her an email, asking if it was alright, if they had enjoyed everything. This time, she did respond a day later with a thank you email.

Having read all the comments on here (and occasionally seeing the show...I am no longer a fan), I believe they have been thrust into this first class lifestyle, and maybe just don't understand about the tipping thing. Or the thank you thing.

I do pray for those kids and wish them well. I keep hoping that maybe it is not as bad as I fear, for their' sakes. It is all just so very, very sad.

LuuLuu said...

Possible spin-off:

"Jon Hates Kate & Wants To Date"

As far as the money thing goes: for me, I'm happy that they're prospering. However, 1) it makes the show boring and uninteresting for most average viewers; 2) it's a bit sickening to see these people behave so ungratefully in spite of all they have; 3) they're still begging and selling a bunch of BS about how hard they have it, and 4) they behave as if the money will make their children happy, just because it makes THEM happy. Meanwhile, Kate treats her kids as if they're little accessories. They exist to get HER attention. It's gross.

I understand what it's like to have more kids than I can afford, and I only have 2! People who criticize them for not working aren't acknowledging how expensive childcare is. I know they have a lot of volunteers at their disposal, but if they weren't "famous" I'm sure most of that help would dry up. I doubt it would be enough to cover all the hours both parents would have to work to stay afloat. I can't imagine what their grocery bills are, and neither of these people had very lucrative careers. They have found a way to keep their family comfortable, and that's great. But, they have sacrificed all stability, warmth, normalcy, and dignity to do so. It isn't the show that's to blame, it's the outrageous egotism and greed that fueled that runaway train. It's vile.

Meredith said...

I just had a revelation! Kate is so obsessed with keeping their clothes clean because she sells them at CONSIGNMENT shops. So basically she gets clothes from Gymboree for free, they wear them a few times and she sells them and makes money. Wow. Sorry for being so dumb/if someone has already posted this.

Level Head said...

Cut Hannah's hair, get better control over the kids, allow them to actually mix with the "public" and/or other children.

Oh, and maybe getting some education for themselves might be a good idea - for when the gravy train breaks down at the next station.

Tami said...

read on another blog that at the Southern Women's show that Kate said Jon is working at home and also working on a spin off of J/K+8. Can anyone who was at the show confirm this statement?
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Yes. I can confirm Jon works at home. He reads all the stuff his Allstate agent tells him to. lol.

angell said...

As with most people, I used to be a fan as well, I was drawn to the cute kids and the size of the family. While I was watching I would always wonder to myself if this is how my mom felt with all of us when we were growing up since I'm the youngest of 10 from an Asian family. The more I watched the more irritated I got and had to stop watching altogether, primarily because of Kate. Growing up, there were 10 of us kids and then our dad passed away when I was 4, leaving my mom to raise us by herself. We had little money and my mom's lack of knowledge in the English language made things that much harder. Despite all the hardships and difficulties, she complained very little if at all and never was there a lack of love and unity. My point here is that this woman gripes and complains with every breath, as if she's the only one to encounter hard times, if that's what you call her situation. I wish they'd do some type of show and drop her off in the middle of some SE Asian country, in a village somewhere, withOUT first world, everyday necessities such as indoor plumbing, electricity, etc. and see how much she'll begin to appreciate what she has, such as the love of her children, not to mention the generosity of those she has taken advantage of!

kate is a cocky bitch said...

I just keep getting the feeling the joke is being played on all of us by TLC. It's like the more people hate KON and the more controversy The Queen causes the more popular this train-wreck becomes. I have to keep asking myself how can such a disgraceful show like this be put on a network that bills itself as a learning channel. It really behooves the imagination but I suppose TLC only cares about money, fame and ratings; just like The Queen-B.

Chris said...

Hi...I've been a lurker here recently, but am finally getting the nerve to post, and probably about a topic you regulars have discussed a lot. Humor me? :)

There are so many things wrong with the show at this point, but what drives me nuts more than almost anything is the false sense of entitlement with which these kids are being instilled - the unavoidable byproduct of a life full of free trips, box seats, goodie bags, comped wardrobes and special meet and greets with their favorite characters. The warped reality that J&K are setting up for their eight is astounding. All the kids (the 'tups even moreso than the twins), have little to no experience with waiting in lines, saving hard-earned allowance money for treats, or anything real children go through.

J&K talk so much about giving their kids what they never had, and how grateful they supposedly are for everything...Look, I'm not a parent, and could hardly be called even a novice at childrearing. What I DO know is that you aren't raising kids that will be grateful; you're raising kids that will be EXPECTANT. That will feel ENTITLED, to all the best, because what else have they known? That don't understand working hard and saving for something, because everything's been handed to them. Those are anti-values that are darn near impossible to "un-instill," you know? And, IMHO, kind of set your kids up to be disappointed a/o fail in the real world.

Okay, sorry to wax on there. Just a newbie's .0000002's worth. :)

BostonBean said...

Sorry Blessed Momma --
You are kind to think that they don't understand "thank you"; but I think most people from the toddler age up do.
They are adults and they KNEW about tipping and thank you.

It simply shows that they are takers and they don't care where it come from. As long as it's for them.

See? She didn't even thank you via email until you prodded her.

Diane said...

Having read all the comments on here (and occasionally seeing the show...I am no longer a fan), I believe they have been thrust into this first class lifestyle, and maybe just don't understand about the tipping thing. Or the thank you thing.

The first class lifestyle is something they sought out. As far as "not understanding" the thank you thing...I don't buy it for a minute. "Thank you" is not something you all of a sudden have to say when you are rich and famous and are given free things. It's a phrase that people should use every day for even the smallest things. Heck, if my class of Kindergarteners can master usage of that phrase, Kate has no excuse. It's quite pathetic. My students always bring in gifts for me the day before Christmas break. No matter what it is (how big or how small), I find the time that day (yes, at school, with 16 kids running all around me, needing my attention) to write a thank you card to send home with them. It doesn't amount to whether or not Kate "understands" the thank you thing or the tip thing. It just comes down to the type of person she is, and it certainly isn't a grateful one.

MomIAm said...

My dislike of the show isn't so much about the free things and the not so subtle advertising. First, Kate's treatment of her family is horrible. She is mean, rude, unappreciative, controlling, and disrespectful towards those she should show the most love towards. That doesn't mean she should let the kids roll over her. There is a time and place for discipline. She is a bad parent for making flippant remarks towards her young children, for not "playing" with them more, for not giving them proper discipline, and for showing favoritism. Jon shares blame for this too.

My next complaint is that they expect to be given things and show little or no appreciation to others. When given something free, they are more likely to complain about it in front of the giver or to be obnoxious, than to show any real gratitude. With no other income and the high salaries for the show, it has become their job. They are whiny, unlikeable co-workers. Typical of other companies, the product is poor but ratings are up so management got rid of the nice people on the job and kept the terrible people.

I hope this doesn't mean that nice people finish last. The better the ratings, the more they move the show in the direction that got them the higher numbers.

jonandkatewho? said...

Personally, I find not a single thrill in these shows about huge families, and they just bore me now. I never really was a "fan" of J&K+8. I would just happen to catch it and sort of half-heartedly watch the show. I noticed right away when Kate was bitchy and thought she was pretty awful from the start. Did not see the first shows until later on in repeats.

I don't like the Roloff's show because it bores me too, and so did the new one, about the Hayes family. I could literally not sit and watch it.

As for the freak shows from TLC, I have never been able to stomach these shows. I like What Not to Wear and occasionally I like to watch A Baby Story, but for the most part I don't like their programming I suppose.

It would not matter to me if Jon and Kate could change and go back, I still wouldn't like the show. It is still exploitation. But the point is that they cannot ever go back, and they have probably already done their kids too much harm. Hell, Kate harms those children simply by the way she "parents" them.

So no, I don't see ever liking the show, or approving of it.

SmartyQ said...

Blessed Mama of 5:
Kon are rubes and have the social graces of goatherds.

Your story about them reminded me of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. They were the biggest freeloaders of the 20th century. If you went to dinner with them, you paid period. They believed your reward was the magnificence of their company—even though he was a dullard and she was very impressed with herself. Their staff received mingy little gifts that had been given to the Windsors. One of their favorite gifts was a picture of them in a used silver frame.

So now we have the Duke and Duchess of Wernersville who have taken up the roles of the Windsors, but Kon will never have the Duchess's jewelry.

Jo Ann said...

From 3anglesmom:
"When they decided to move, why the heck move to Wernersville? They're not in contact or close with family & friends, so that can't be the reason. Other bloggers have reported that they don't interact with neighbors or fellow church members. Kate seems to enjoy the spotlight, so why not move to LA/NYC? Or at the very least, Philly or Pittsburgh if they have some nostalgic ties to PA?

Do they enjoy being big fish in a small pond? A 1 million+ home in Wernersville wouldn't buy much in a bigger city. Is there some in-your-face we're-so-special attitude they want to express to the locals? Why else would Kate run down the doctor whose home they bought. Does she want to flaunt her fame and money to those she knows but no longer speaks to? Or are they tied to the area in some way for filming?

These aren't rhetorical questions. I'm curious as to others' take on this."

You may have just answered your own question. 1.3 million dollars won't buy much in a big city. In order to have that dream house, J&K would have had to purchase that house in an area such as theirs.

Plus, I heard something about PA having a deal where college costs are covered for PA residents. Not sure about that, perhaps someone can elaborate on that?

respect your elders said...

In regards to Kate: my grandmother (rest her soul) used to say, "Pretty is as pretty does"

Natari said...

I love reading this blog. I originally wasn't planning on posting but wasn't sure if anyone had addressed this.(no pun intended).

In an early episode Jon took Kate clothes shopping. He made a big deal about how she hated shopping for clothes. She also pointed out he was the fashionable one of the two. On said episode he picked out the outfits and she grudgingly tried them on. Fast forward to Ann Taylor loft and the huge hint of a fashion episode.

Someone mentioned the yard sale at the Church. Did anyone notice Kate was on her cell the whole time and barely spoke to the people who stopped by to donate. She was her usual rude self.

It's funny how other women having multiple births is now showing Jon and Kate for what they really are. My only other comment is I do NOT feel sorry for Jon. He's a big boy and had a bunch of freebies himself. Hair plugs etc. His whining at the end of season 4 made me roll my eyes in Kate style.

I personally think TLC loves the negative attention this show gets because either way it gives them ratings.

chesterctymom said...

Meredith said...

I just had a revelation! Kate is so obsessed with keeping their clothes clean because she sells them at CONSIGNMENT shops. So basically she gets clothes from Gymboree for free, they wear them a few times and she sells them and makes money. Wow. Sorry for being so dumb/if someone has already posted this.



This is exactly what she does. There is a consignment shop in Lancaster County that she uses.

Amy said...

What's missing here is inside information. I've read and blogged on this site for quite some time now. All I can say is some people are very smart and I appreciate the professionals (teachers, early childhood experts, laywers, psychologists, etc) insights. Each time one of these people weigh in on a topic I learn. Thank you. What I'm hoping for is someone with inside information to come forward and share their story.

Reading news said...

"Plus, I heard something about PA having a deal where college costs are covered for PA residents. Not sure about that, perhaps someone can elaborate on that?"

Having put five through college in this state I think you got that one wrong. I wish it was true as I would be driving around in a Caddie instead of a broken down Honda. LOL.

TryingtoRemember said...

It has been ages since I have seen the cupcake episode, so I am trying to remember something. I see a lot of people upset about one of the tups not getting to eat their cake. For some reason, I had it it my head that he/she didnt get it because they didnt eat all their all dinner. Is that not the case? We have a similar rule in my family. So I am just trying to remember what the other circumstances are that has everyone so upset? Im sure there was something else and I am not being sarcastic. I see that everyone is upset and Im just trying to figure out/remember why :)

OdiousOvaries said...

These comments struck me as particularly interesting today.
If I had ONLY read this thread, none else ever, I would already have a very accurate picture of Kate's nature and manner of dealing with people . Sad and disgusting.
I find the woman ODIOUSLY ODIOUS.

Jo Ann said...

TryingtoRemember: "It has been ages since I have seen the cupcake episode, so I am trying to remember something. I see a lot of people upset about one of the tups not getting to eat their cake. For some reason, I had it it my head that he/she didnt get it because they didnt eat all their all dinner. Is that not the case? We have a similar rule in my family. So I am just trying to remember what the other circumstances are that has everyone so upset? Im sure there was something else and I am not being sarcastic. I see that everyone is upset and Im just trying to figure out/remember why :)"

I believe the circumstances are as you stated, the boys didn't finish their dinner. However, neither did at least one of the girls (Hannah?) but SHE was able to have her cupcake anyway.

To Reading News - thanks for the clarification! I just remembered reading something about college costs and the speculation that was why they remained in PA instead of moving to South Carolina. Maybe I dreamed it? :)

MomIAm said...

TryingtoRemember, I've never seen the cupcake episode but the complaint was that the girls didn't eat their dinners but still got a cupcake, while the boys were punished for the same offense by having their cupcakes taken away.

thehazlettfamily said...

Trying to Remember....

On the cupcake episode, Kate felt that the boys did not eat enough of their dinner, however, Hannah pushed her food around and barely ate, yet got her cupcake. What made it worse for me was that Kate made them sit there while the girls ate their cupcakes. Sometimes rules need to fly out the window, especially on birthdayrs or "birthday episodes."

I withhold dessert based on if my child ate, but on his birthday, I let it go. It's better to give him a good memory than to bear down on him. Unfortunately, his birthday is Christmas and I can't see everything he eats anymore all day (he's 10). I give him a little leeway when fixing his plate that day as I know he grazes on the finger foods put out early.

Kate just seems to go out of her way to make the boys lifes miserable. Also, it seems the boys never got their cupcakes as they commented in the interviews that the boys had forgotten about the cupcakes by the next day and did not ask. I'm sure they never forget, they were just too scared to ask.

Froggus. said...

re: cupcake-gate

TryingtoRemember-

it's to my understanding most everyone's panties are in a knot over this episode for several reasons.
be that as it may ...
with respect to the 'no dinner, no dessert'-rule .. i think we can all agree that this is fair kind of discipline, when used within reason.

what was not fair, 'on this particular day,' with the addition of the boys pinching a meager meal .. hannah accompanied them.
she was hand fed, "here comes the airplane!"-style, still ate less than half of her plate .. yet, she was awarded her cupcake [with the other two girls, who did eat] .. whereas the boys went completely null and void.

i think that's enough to create a stink.

none4you said...

It has been ages since I have seen the cupcake episode, so I am trying to remember something. I see a lot of people upset about one of the tups not getting to eat their cake. For some reason, I had it it my head that he/she didnt get it because they didnt eat all their all dinner. Is that not the case? We have a similar rule in my family. So I am just trying to remember what the other circumstances are that has everyone so upset? Im sure there was something else and I am not being sarcastic. I see that everyone is upset and Im just trying to figure out/remember why :)

IMO, the most upsetting aspect of the 'who got to eat a cupcake
and who didnt' isnt about the 'you dont eat your dinner you dont get the cupcake' but J & K's arbitrary approach in they way in which the 'rule' was presented to one child over and at the expense of other children. Particularly the boys.Hannah was spoon fed her dinner, first by Kate and then Mady took over which resulted in her not eating ALL her dinner, but the miniscule amount that she did eat. But was thus warranted her cupcake. Whereas, the other tups, particularly the boys, were deemed disqualified for their cupcake because they did not eat ALL their dinner but were also not given the advantage of being spoon fed (by Kate, Jon, Mady, or Cara) a qualifying amount of food that would warrant a cupcake. It was the spoon feeding of Hannah that ulimately qualified her for the cupcake. #1 spoon feeding a four year old is ridiculous. #2 Taking a rule that applies to ALL and arbitrarily changing the terms of the rule (ie spoon feeding) so one child is at an advantage over that of the other children is a blatant show of favoritism and makes the 'rule' no longer a 'rule' but an intentional mind f***. The children that were NOT allowed to get their cupcake were not dimissed from the table, but were made to sit as the onlookers as Hannah at hers.

Pink said...

None4You ~ You detailed the cupcake event just the way I saw it too. Kate could not handle Hannah going without her cupcake, so first she spoon fed her, then had Mady give the spoiled tup a spoonful or two. The favoritism Kate shows Hannah and the ugliness she shows the boys continues to escalate as time goes on.

Then having the boys watch this whole sordid birthday event was simply more than many of us viewers could bare.

Very, very disturbing. I despise how Dr. Phil and Oprah put this woman in the limelight as if she is mother of the year. Where are the research teams for those talk shows?!?

Missy said...

I live in LA and I guarantee you that Jon & Kate would NEVER move here. Their 1.3 million mortgage would NOT buy them much of a house here. It would in no way buy them anything like their new home (I doubt it would but their old home either!). 1.3 million would get them a small 2 bedroom condo in Beverly Hills. So they may love to pretend to have a LA lifestyle, but they are not able to afford to live here in the same manner they can in PA. Kate loves her status of a big fish in her small pond too much to leave PA for Los Angeles!

Anonymomma said...

Just a little baby update for anyone who can use a good laugh on this fine Sunday.

My whole family just woke up, at
1:30pm, mnus the baby because she is still slumbering oh so peacefully (lucky gal!).

You know the saying "No wire hangers!"? Well my new slogan is "No baby laxative!".

Gram Cracker (that's my MIL) took my three boys overnight last night (I LOVE that woman, seriously, I don't know what I'd do without her sometimes). So for the second Saturday night in a row it was me, the hubby, and our 8 yr old and 15 month old girls. In an earlier post I wrote about the baby's umm, intestinal issues earlier in the day. Well it only got better lol.

At 8:30pm, my 8 year old and I decided to run to Wal Mart. The baby was feeling better and I had just gotten her down to sleep for the night. We needed to stock up on household items and my oldest daughter's favorite place in the world is Wally World hehe, so off we went. We took our time and had a lot of fun, randomly dancing in the aisles, things like that. I let her pick out the brands of certain items we'd use like soap and shampoo this month. We goofed off and had so much fun that we didn't leave the store until 11:30pm.

We stopped at McDonald's and bought non organic chicken nuggets, and sang really loud like two high school kids the rest of the way home.

We got in, ate our food, unpacked the bags, and I got her ready and tucked into bed. Before I knew it, it was pretty late, as I was finishing off the night answering emails. My hubby was upstairs with the girls watching tv. No word of a lie, when the smell hit me all the way downstairs (like literally 45 feet away) I thought our daughter's hiney exploded. Well haha technically it did. All over everything. Her crib, our bed (hubby was trying to clean her up on the bed lol), him, everywhere.

There we were, at 2:00 in the morning washing bedding and bathing the baby. I couldn't help but laugh. I know it's gross but it was funny as hell. We are still laughing about it. Needless to say, Miss Baby Girl is feeling much, much better today haha.

Sorry for the ick factor of the update. But I'm sure Kate would appreciate it!

I hope you all had a fun night last night :P

I'm just sayin said...

Least we forget what happened to Joel on one occasion. Does anyone remember when Joel got sent to time-out for lying to Mother Superior? Apparently little Joel had wet his underpants and hid them in a corner and got into some dry ones. When Kate had asked him had he wet his pants today he replied no. But later she found said undies hidden and punished him for lying. There sat little Joel in the cornor with tears streaming down his face. I can understand about the lying thing but he ws probably just ashamed of himself and did what any child would do. I bet if it had been Hannah the same rule probably would not have applied.

one_lovable_cutiepie said...

To answer curiositykilledthecat question. At first I was really intrigued by the show. How could someone take care of 8 kids with a strict budget and no help. At the beginning it was all entertaining. I loved watching the tups and how they react with each other. They all were all so sweet , innocent, full of excitement and joy. Even Miss Mady and Cara who we don’t get to see that much were great watching.
Now with Kate she was a” Mom” to me at times. She didn’t care what she looked like in front of the camera, was slightly playful with the tups, somewhat enjoyable and caring to a extent. Jon on the other hand had a tiny bit of a back bone in the beginning to Kate. I think production put a stop to that. So it didn’t look like Kate was the victim of verbal abuse. As a couple together in the beginning you did see them hug, say I love you and kiss. They were all a happy family in some ways.
Then it all started to do a 180 overnight. Right when season 3 ended and season 4 started. It started to be more like a side show. Kate and Jon were turning out to be completely unlikable parents. They were taking more trips, vacations, freebies, talk shows and physical appearance changes. ( Then should of invested in a psychologist while they were at it) Getting on with the topic. Jon and Kate just started acting more out of control and their kids were picking up on this behavior. Kate and Jon were becoming more of a distance parent than hands on. Oh and then the negative comments Kate and Jon were giving the kids. It seems that the kids are more of a bother than gods gifts. The couch interviews they both did together seemed more distance and bored . The tups seemed like their spunk had ran out. ( thank goodness the tups have each other for reinsurance) Kate and Jon’s 15 min of fame ran out as a blink of the eye.
I really don’t know how they can save season 5. Even if Kate goes up to a press conference and apologizes for everything. From broken relationships, putting her kids in the spot light, lying, betrayal and etc. I really don’t think Kate could do this without smirking inside. If Jon did this press conference I defiantly wouldn’t believe him one bit.
I really think the major aspect of this show has died. The economy we live in right now is at a downfall. Unemployment has rising to a high. People are started to save more and not waste. But look what is on TV. Watching someone just rub in their 15 min of fame and wealth will irk anyone. Specially with these hard times. Its hard to watch someone that has everything but doesn’t appreciate it. If the show was back how they use to be it might be a little bit more likeable. But unfortunately it is not and all we see it greed across Jon and Kate’s face. To me they cant change the past but hopefully they will take a good hard look of the future.
Yes I agree I’m also sick and tired of Big Families. Specially because of some Hare that had 8 little ones awhile ago. Watch TLC will give her a show or any network. I hope not. I’m not even into this other family. I think the whole trend is over with.

Next side project jon and kate: Gosselin Circus..

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shell said...

yes hannah was spoon fed and we didnt see the boys plates we dont know if they ate or not. Aaden was eating a bowl of somthing (fruit I think) and was told he couldnt have his cupcake and Joel said "but I ate my chicken". the trouble we see with the episode is not that desert waas given but the boys were treated as second class citizens again. and made sit there and watch the girls. did you see Joels precious little face watching princess hannah eat hers. And for heavens sakes it was their birthday episode let them eat there darn cupcakes.

mary said...

I want Jon to take those boys out. A boys night only. Maybe camping like he said in the episode "a walk in the woods" (i'm assuming the woods are part of their property) Leave the girls at home since they didn't seem to like hiking or the outdoors much. I think a nice change would be just the boys. I would also like to see the boys not dressed alike. That's probably pushing it because I don't think they sell camping clothes at gymboree. (sp)

jrchaffee89 said...

*Kate just seems to go out of her way to make the boys lifes miserable. Also, it seems the boys never got their cupcakes as they commented in the interviews that the boys had forgotten about the cupcakes by the next day and did not ask. I'm sure they never forget, they were just too scared to ask.*

This bothered me when I watched the show for another reason. When Kate was telling this miserable story on the couch about the boys not even asking for it the next day, she had this smug look on her face, like she was bragging about it. But if the boys 'did not even ask' about it the next day, what happened to the cupcakes?? I'm sure she didn't offer the boys the cupcakes, in her warped mind it probably wouldn't be 'fair' to the girs because they no longer had cupcakes to eat. So, did she throw them away?? I mean SHE wasn't going to eat them, boys are icky!!
If I was the owner of that bakery this would be ANOTHER reason to be pissed, not only did she act like a total and complete asshat while decorating the cupcakes, in the end she throws half of them away!?

I hate her like poison!

JoJo said...

Blessed Mama of 5 said: When he told me about that, I still gave them the benefit of the doubt. I said, "maybe they just didn't know, maybe we only know because we are in this business. You said it would be a free dinner, so maybe they assumed that included the tip...."
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That's an interesting story! There is no excusing not leaving a tip. Even if Kate was never taught that, you would think Jon would know. My husband was a chef at a fancy restaurant and every so often he would invite me and his mother to come in for a free meal. I ALWAYS made sure he told me what the meal would have cost and left an appropriate tip for the servers. That is just common sense and common courtesy--something J & K are obviously lacking!

Froggus. said...

anoymomma-

thank you so much for the update/recount.

when i was about your (youngest) daughter's age, i came down with roseola .. and it helps to know that while times have changed, good parents haven't
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my mom and dad got me to that hospital and in to that e.r. ice bath a.s.a.p. .. and stayed with me every second of the way.
it really helps to reinforce, to me at least, that there are still 'awesome' parents out there.


that all being said..
your story of yourself and your daughter at walmart was what REALLY struck me.
it took roughly 20 years for my mom and myself to achieve a relationship that could reflect ya'lls kind of love, but it got there .. and it was THE BEST.

we would screw around at walmart, sams club. bed bath and beyonjd [our sunday tradition .. sit in the 'sample' massage chairs for as long as we could], be psuedo-obnoxious at starbucks [im of the retail industry, so i couldn't go too overboard..], we'd raid and rack the cabinets at the doctor's office...silly stuff that i could not have appreciated any more than with my mom.
(none of those things am i necessarily PROUD of, but .. to fool around with my mom and laugh meant so much.)

granted, i'm merely 26 now. and lost her at 24 ... i think her and i both squeezed the best of what we could in her last few years.

i thank you, anonymomma, for reminding me of that.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Blessed Mamaof 5,
Sorry that J/K didn't have any manners or gratitude for the generosity that you and your husband made possible for them.
I guess that Kate's so called attitude of "It is better to give then to recieve" went out with the wash. Just proves once more what FAKES and LIARS they BOTH are.

TryingToRemember said...

Thanks, makes sense now :)

GAsmom said...

With all the talk about "going back to their roots" and J&K's possible trip to Korea..I can't picture Kate going to Korea any time soon, or anywhere else that might be perceived as less than "5-star". Jon's mom is Korean, but didn't he say that his dad was French-Welsh? I'm thinking a trip to Paris would be much more up Kate's alley, while still going back to their "roots" somewhat.

Good Grief said...

Anonymomma said...

An observation about Kate getting rid of the helpers. She did so right after TLC stepped in and we all assumed she possibly did it to keep people from knowing too much/saying too much but I actually think it was because they would find out how much exactly, the Gosselin's were being compensated for the show. She had to get rid of them so they wouldn't blow her cover. Same with family

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Huh? Unless the helpers were snooping through the Gosselins personal papers, there is no way they would find out how much they are being compensated for the show. Do you think they leave their TLC contract, pay check stubs and bank statements lying around the house?

Denise said...

Kate is so erratic with her rules. Didn't she say they had iced cream for a meal one time? And Christmas is sticky buns. But a birthday with no hand made cupcake.

CupCake gate is the show that makes me cry.
And I notice every time I watch this one that when they get ready for church, the twins church shoes are WAY too small. Wonder how long since they had been?

jrchaffee89 said...

Katie Cruise lets Suri eat chocolate cupcakes while wearing ridiculously expensive dresses!!

Hate can't let her kids get food on clothes she didn't even buy!

Liesl said...

GAsmom said...

"With all the talk about "going back to their roots" and J&K's possible trip to Korea..I can't picture Kate going to Korea any time soon, or anywhere else that might be perceived as less than "5-star"."

Seoul is a very modern, "5 star" city--I could easily see them "culturing" their kids there.

Sadly, I can't imagine the 4 year old tups will remember anything about all these trips that are supposedly for their benefit, to expose them to "culture" and "experiences". They'll have to watch the episodes on DVD some day.
Maybe Cara and Mady will remember some of it...

Amy said...

GAsmom said...
With all the talk about "going back to their roots" and J&K's possible trip to Korea..I can't picture Kate going to Korea any time soon, or anywhere else that might be perceived as less than "5-star".
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Not to be rude but Seoul, Korea has 5 Star hotels equal to NYC. I bet that's where they will stay.

Moonpie said...

I've seen a lot of talk about the cupcake episode here and what bugged me the most was that the boys were told they couldn't eat their cupcakes while they appeared to be still eating dinner.

It's been a while since I've seen the episode so if anyone who remembers better can help me out here that would be great

thatsthewayiseeit said...

"Sorry that J/K didn't have any manners or gratitude for the generosity that you and your husband made possible for them.
I guess that Kate's so called attitude of "It is better to give then to recieve" went out with the wash. Just proves once more what FAKES and LIARS they BOTH are."

If I recall correctly, Kate's attitude (per her own words) is, 'who are we to say no'. Only to be further justified by Jon's attitude of ' we did not them (media) out, they came to us'.

ICExploitation said...

Only to be further justified by Jon's attitude of ' we did not them (media) out, they came to us'.

Ok, what about the admission in the "How we got here" episode - that they had shopped the tape of their family around?

They INVITED the madness into their home. No more whining please (from them about their lack of privacy).

Megan said...

re: college costs in pa

As a recent graduate from the state of PA, let me assure you that PA in no way guarantees college costs for residents. Proceeds from the PA state lottery go to support senior citizens whereas in other states this money subsidizes college educations (Florida for example) for top high school students.

I read somewhere else that when the tups were born the governor of PA set aside college trusts for them as a gift from the state.

Tami said...

I want Jon to take those boys out. A boys night only. Maybe camping like he said in the episode "a walk in the woods" (i'm assuming the woods are part of their property) Leave the girls at home since they didn't seem to like hiking or the outdoors much. I think a nice change would be just the boys. I would also like to see the boys not dressed alike. That's probably pushing it because I don't think they sell camping clothes at gymboree. (sp)

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Kate would be PISSED to be left with the girls and Jon take the boys. She would have to be responsible by herself even if the nanny did all the work. Then she would complain it's not fair to little Hannie that she can't go. She resents the boys so much a camping trip for just them and dad would never do.

Sidney said...

BostonBean said...
Sorry Blessed Momma --
You are kind to think that they don't understand "thank you"; but I think most people from the toddler age up do.
They are adults and they KNEW about tipping and thank you.
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Yep, J&K truly are the Beverly Hillbillies. They don't even know enough to be gracious!

3angelsmom said...

Joann - Maybe you were thinking of the 529 plans the Governor supposedly set up for their college educations as the reason they needed to stay in PA. Maybe a stipulation was that they would need to live in PA and attend a state school?

Thanks everyone for your ideas re: why they continue to stay in PA. I never considered the 529 plans or child labor laws. But I still can't fathom why they would want to return to where it all began - to the locals who know their history of asking for donations and with whom they've burned so many bridges. It would make me uncomfortable. But then again, I wouldn't behave like that in the first place.

Annonymomma - so glad your baby is feeling better!!

Your escapades in Wal-Mart, and Froggus' post about good times with her mom, reminded me of an Oprah episode that had tears streaming down my face. I was all out hiccuping, nose-blowing, & sobbing! Oprah was interviewing a young girl whose mother passed away. I guess they knew a year or two prior that mom was terminal, so the parents tried to plan a lot of vacations. But one night the girl woke up and found her mother eating Cheerios at 2 a.m. The girl made her mother promise next time she would wake her up. When asked what the girl's favorite memory of her mother was, the girl said it was eating Cheerios in the middle of the night with mom. Not the vacations. Not the trip to Disney. Cheerios.

Other posters have made this point before but I need to bring it up again. The children don't need expensive outings, private meet-and-greets, or matching outfits as much as they need love and attention. It's the little things they'll remember.

Hannah W. said...

Kate would be PISSED to be left with the girls and Jon take the boys. She would have to be responsible by herself even if the nanny did all the work. Then she would complain it's not fair to little Hannie that she can't go. She resents the boys so much a camping trip for just them and dad would never do.

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Jon has taken the boys out before leaving the girls with Kate. For their special days, for boys day out, girls day out (he took him to the gym )and for the baseball game. I think he did it a couple more times also. I think she'd be fine with it.

I'm just sayin said...

Moonpie you are right...It did show Aaden still eating a bowl of fruit when Monster Mom denied him his birthday cupcake.

sadbuttrue said...

"Kate would be PISSED to be left with the girls and Jon take the boys."

I disagree. To leave Kate with 'her girls' (twins not included) is perfection. To be left alone with her 'icky boys' is the equivalent to punishment.

Merrilee said...

UPDATED Fri Apr 3 2009 16:52:31

First of all I have to admit that she is very pretty in person.
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On one of the very first times J&K were on Oprah, I thought Kate was stunning! She looked shy, she looked quiet, she looked very sweet. Her hair and makeup were very pretty. Funny how she changed, as we all know, pretty is as pretty does.

Blessed_Mom said...

Hi, First time posting here. I love this blog!

I watched the rerun of cupcake gate the other day. I noticed something that I had not noticed the first time. When they are discussing who will get cupcakes vs. who would not, at one point Kate is kind of leaning on the table talking to Hannah. Hannah says, "I'm not going to get my cupcake?" And Kate very slightly shakes her head No. It was sooo obvious that she sooo hated to tell Hannah No. Of course, it didn't pan out that way, but it was just obvious to me that she really didn't want to tell her no! (Which, in the end, she did not.)

Shelby said...

Tag said...
Wow! Mini skirt and heels that looked as if she bought them from Fredrick's of Hollywood.Mark my words......Something is gonna happen to that marriage. The signs are all there.

4/03/2009 10:13 PM
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Or, maybe it's for Jon??? No worry, beef curry!

I love my son! said...

As my fiance always says "Kate and Jon Gosselin are an American sweat shop." These kids are working to support their family. Kate may write books (or get help to), but the books are about the children, with the exception of her crappy cookbook. The show is based around the fact they have multiples. Not the fact that Jon and Kate are amazing individuals or parents.

We keep talking about the cupcake episode, but does anyone remember the boys specials days? I've blogged about this several times before. Kate did not attend any of them. To me this speaks volumes about Kate. She's a shmuck to think her boys won't remember not getting their cupcakes. It would be like Kate not getting paid or free sh*&! Of course she would remember that.

On another note I watched something on narcissism and learned that narcissistic people usually feel empty and need others to build them up. I think this is why Kate favors Hannah. The other children don't build up Kate's ego like Hannah does. I bet Kate views her other children as challenges instead of rewards. We watched how Aunt Jodi and Beth would comment on how Kate was wonderful and gave her praise as a mother. Maybe Beth finally saw the light or maybe Kate kicked her to the curb after the book was written because she no longer needed her. Kate was given hired help to watch the kids, so she no longer needed Beth for that free baby sitting service either.

I would like to ask everyone what their thoughts are for season 5? I said it before and I'll say it again I see them going to England, France and Korea. I still think they will adopt from Korea (please no more verbal beatings like I got before for this comment!) I also think they will be trying to promote their new gig for Jon or Kate's show.

Kari said...

If they are thinking about going back to their "roots," they had better check which Korea Jon's family is from. Because if it is North Korea, there is not a snowball's chance in h@#$ they can go. It takes YEARS for top journalists to venture over there, and even then it is all very staged by the gov't.

JC from PA said...

This is to the poster who said Kon was like a couple of gotherds. Say it isn't so! Thats an insult to goatherds everywhere (LoL).

Tami said...

"Kate would be PISSED to be left with the girls and Jon take the boys."

I disagree. To leave Kate with 'her girls' (twins not included) is perfection. To be left alone with her 'icky boys' is the equivalent to punishment
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Huh? The only girl she really likes is Hannah. She's not interested in spending time with the rest of them. Maybe last year she was ok with Jon taking the boys out once or twice but now she doesn't seem to want to have to be responsible for anything if Jon is not around. Remember he needs to be there to wipe butts, ect. She does nothing.

Aeris said...

GAsmom said...

With all the talk about "going back to their roots" and J&K's possible trip to Korea..I can't picture Kate going to Korea any time soon, or anywhere else that might be perceived as less than "5-star". Jon's mom is Korean, but didn't he say that his dad was French-Welsh? I'm thinking a trip to Paris would be much more up Kate's alley, while still going back to their "roots" somewhat.


With KON, it's all about appearances. The kids could be ½ Welsh/French (depending on Kate's ancestry) as opposed to only ¼ Korean. The kids look more Korean than anything else, so that is what seems to identify them. I wonder why Kate hasn't shared her background. Hopefully the kids are also getting a glimpse of European culture, since that makes up the other ¾ of their background.

One other reason why I think KON is staying in PA is for their lifetime, free dental care. It's been mentioned on the blog a few times that because Jon's dad was a dentist (well-respected, at that), his immediate family gets the privilege of free dental/orthodontic care. This also extends to his son's (Jon's) family. It's no wonder Kate got braces soon after marrying Jon - it must have been free. I can't say for sure this is true, but there must be someone here that can confirm.

maria said...

RE: the "hooker heels" that someone said Kate was wearing. I do believe that very high heels and wedges are coming back into fashion, so when someone said hooker heels, it might just be a new pair of this summer's high heels that Kate was wearing.

maria said...

"I read somewhere else that when the tups were born the governor of PA set aside college trusts for them as a gift from the state."

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That is correct. Maybe they cannot receive them unless they REMAIN a resident of the state????

Anonymomma, if your baby is ever constipated again, I have a suggestion - dark Karo Syrup. My baby was constipated and in pain at only 6 weeks old. We didn't know what to do. LOTS of people told me to put dark Karo syrup in his bottle, but I wasn't sure. I found lots of the same advice online, and then my own pediatrician told me to do it! The high sugar content will pull water into the bowels, thereby helping them to pass the 'obstruction.' I have passed this tip to other people who have tried it, and it has never let them down either. For the 6 week old, I mixed one teaspoon in an 8 ounce bottle. Don't worry, it is not the same as giving a baby honey. Dark Karo syrup is sterile and doesn't contain anything that could make the little one sick. That is why they say to use Karo instead of honey. At 15 months, though, your little one IS old enough to safely ingest honey, so maybe honey would work, too! It does have a very high sugar content. Hope this helps (if you ever have that problem again).

Maverick said...

Re: The Hooker heels. They were platforms, not f'me shoes. They are truly the ugliest shoes on the planet.

There is nothing wrong with platform shoes. There is something insidiously wrong with these shoes.

They are white, very white, before Easter, and before even spring in the NE. All kinds of wrong with that and combine the fake bake, I just shudder.

She really needs to get her money back from whoever advises her, oh never mind, there is no money involved. Whoever advises her is just having a laugh.

Froggus. said...

maria said...
RE: the "hooker heels" that someone said Kate was wearing. I do believe that very high heels and wedges are coming back into fashion, so when someone said hooker heels, it might just be a new pair of this summer's high heels that Kate was wearing.

imo, and i reckon this is sincerely JMHO, but ...
i didn't think that going to a speaking engagement {that is slathered heavily with christian repertoire] resolved into a fashion show.
there is so much more i could go off on in this respect, but i just won't.
it's not worth my energy.

it's just plain, flat-out tacky to wear that kind of mess to somewhere like that ... where one is supposed to be 'an inspiration,' someone to 'behold and emulate.'


not to mention memorial day is nearly a month and a half away. that's the most tacky.

TeamMady said...

These you tube videos are hilarious:

Kate Gosselin and Beth Carson:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZPegAK5C0

The Coupon - Jon and Kate
www.youtube.com/watch?v=
DU4D6ti4n7c&feature=related

Jon and Kate's Season 4 Interview:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=
JY73AgnMuz4&feature=channel_page

sewwicked said...

in regards to the possibility that jon's family is from north korea... do you think KON will let a little thing like facts get in the way? jon's family could actually be from the moon, but if they want a free trip to seoul, they will rewrite history to say his family from seoul. we established a long time ago that KON likes to play fast and loose with the truth.

thehazlettfamily said...

Other posters have made this point before but I need to bring it up again. The children don't need expensive outings, private meet-and-greets, or matching outfits as much as they need love and attention. It's the little things they'll remember.

***********************************For me the memory is everytime we drove home from the beach we stopped at a little shop that made homemade ice cream. We did not go often so it was a real treat. Mom never, ever denied us that pleasure. Now, I take my son to Wendy's for lunch (value menu) every week after occupational therapy. He knows it's coming and he gets it no matter what. I hope it's something he can tell his kids about as I tell him about my trips to Love's Ice Cream. (If you ever been to Fort Myers Beach you probably know where I mean.)

The 529 accounts are not paid college tuition, they are accounts that people can pay into for the kids benefit. Only the Gosselins know how much has been contributed. PA did not provide the kids with paid tuition to any school.

When my son was very, very small he could not go #2 on his own, it took a concoction of karo syrup with his formula and manual help by the whole family (one at head entertaining...that would be the big sister...one holding hands and legs and one helping him, so I feel for the mom who is experiencing a sick child. Last night, I heard a scream and flew out of bed, my son, now 10, was experiencing intestinal pain and diarrhea. I sat on the tub and held his hand while he took care of business because I know how painful it can be. That's just what a mom does. I cannot imagine Kate ever doing that for any of her kids, well maybe Hannah.

When this show started I actually loved it. I admired Kate and was even defensive for Kate as my hubby and I argued occasionally. His grandmother always laughed at us because we gave what we got and noone was worse for the wear. I even yelled at him for breathing too hard and banned him from our bed during pregnancy as I got "night sickness" and his heavy breathing shook the bed. Now, she has gone overboard and I only watch if I have something to do so I can only listen. I rarely ever watch closely. It's just too painful.

mary said...

My last post on cupcakegate. I watched the video last night again. You can see the boy (i'm sorry I don't know their names) chewing on food in the shot. The interview made it seem like the boys didn't eat anything. Also at no time did the parents say to the boys "you have to eat your meal to get a cupcake". They didn't have a chance. It was all for TV.

I didn't realize (former post) that Jon has taken the boys out before.

I haven't seen enough of Hannah to comment on her favortism.

I do enjoy this blog!

I'm just sayin said...

Do you all remember when Jon took Aaden on a day trip and they got to see the cows? Afterwards they stopped by and sat down in a small diner and Aaden got to eat some sort of dessert? Then Jon took Aaden to run some errends with him and he ordered Adden a small donut hole? To bad Jon was so fearful of Kate that he couldnt stand up for his kids and let them have a damn cupcake.

Shelby do you really think that Kate dress's that way for Jon?
Looks as if she can't even stand to sti next to him let alone to try and seduce him with sexy clothes.

Colleen said...

Just wanted to post that I went shopping this weekend ( I'm a Berks Co resdient) and went to Ann Taylor Loft (shudder). Told the cashier I debated going in to buy anything since a particular lady on TV shops there for free. I never mentiooned her name, and the two girls knew exactly who I was talkin about. They just laughed and said "well, she doesnt have these jeans you picked out" Went next door to NY and Company, and was talking to the girl there about it. She said she sees Kate at AT Loft all the time. Most of the time, she said Jon and kids are in the van in the parking lot while Kate shops. She mentioned Kate NEVER steps foot into any of the other stores there.

Kristine said...

Amy said...
What's missing here is inside information. I've read and blogged on this site for quite some time now. All I can say is some people are very smart and I appreciate the professionals (teachers, early childhood experts, laywers, psychologists, etc) insights. Each time one of these people weigh in on a topic I learn. Thank you. What I'm hoping for is someone with inside information to come forward and share their story.
______________________________

I agree with you 100% Amy!!!

Sable said...

Not to belabor the "Cupcake" episode, as we all know how mean it was, but I think the absolutely worse part of that show was the nasty, smug look on Kate's face when she told the boys they could not have one little cupcake they had created. Her look was a pure "gotcha" look that said she really does dislike the boys. She couldn't wait to see them hurt. What a sick woman. And Dumbo stood next to her and went along with the insanity as he never thinks for himself.

4girlsoneboy said...

We have two grandkids here since there is no school for them this week. Of course, the five year old just put the TV on and Jon and Kate are on. I am so furious with TLC after watching the preview of the solar panels going on the house. What a crock they shoved down our throats with Jon's wish not to continue Season 5! Take a look at the previews - they are obviously in cold weather clothes so this was filmed while we were still experiencing low temps here in Pennsylvania. They knew darn well that there would be another season. As I keep saying, this whole thing is scripted. Certainly not a reality format.

SmartyQ said...

Aeris said... With KON, it's all about appearances. The kids could be ½ Welsh/French (depending on Kate's ancestry) as opposed to only ¼ Korean. The kids look more Korean than anything else, so that is what seems to identify them. I wonder why Kate hasn't shared her background. Hopefully the kids are also getting a glimpse of European culture, since that makes up the other ¾ of their background.

French, Welsh, English, American, etc are identifying nationalities—not races. The Gosselin children are 1/4 Asian and 3/4 Caucasian. They are 100% Americans. Moreover, we don't know if Jon's mother is of 100% Korean descent. If her family has lived in Hawaii for any length of time, she well may be part Polynesian.

It seems to me the Gosselin children would be better served being exposed to American history because that makes up 100% of their nationality, and they are 3/4 Caucasian.

Beth said...

When does season 5 start? I thought I heard May?

And no, I'm not asking because I'm looking forward to it....just wondering what their idea of a "break" is.

organizedblogroll said...

Wow, that was a quick break!!

Guess those first utility bills were a bitch, huh? Every show in the kitchen had the fireplace blaring.
Way to go green, Kate!

Need some free solar energy, so we'll go green to SAVE SOME GREEN.

Blessed Mama of 5 said...

Thanks, everyone for your comments about my post. I had been nervous about sharing my story, because I had wondered if the Gosselins read this blog, and it would be some kind of betrayal to them. But it just hasn't sat well with me over the past 2 years, and I wanted to share the story with people who would understand ;-).

Kate did keep us on her general email list for about 6 months following their dinner at DH's restaurant....this was during the time when they traveled by car to Disney, and appeared on Access Hollywood and the Ellen Show. Kate would send out emails asking for prayers for their family for safe travels, etc. There was one other weird thing that happened, during that time. I had sent out a general "happy halloween" e-card to my friends and family; it was one of those really cute ones, not scary...it had little cats chasing some mice around a pumpkin patch. Anyway, since Kate was still sending an email now and then, I included her on the list. She did email back that they don't celebrate Halloween. I felt bad, I hadn't meant to offend them (we have some friends who feel similarly). But the weird thing was that they had appeared on Access Hollywood that weekend, with the Tups parading around in their favorite Disney Halloween costumes (which was the whole emphasis of the piece). It just struck me that they were saying one thing, but doing another, not being true to their values just to be on tv. Again, it left me feeling very sad. I think that was the last time I heard from her. And, yes, the email address that was recently published was the same one I received communication from, but I really think they have changed it.

This is just one other comment, about the likely trip to Korea. I have a feeling they might adopt while over there...just a hunch, but she did mention wanting to adopt when my husband was chatting with them at dinner, and that was 2 years ago.

SLAHSarah said...

While on vacation in Myrtle Beach on this cold, windy, cloudy day, I'm stuck watching the ONLY channel that doesn't come in fuzzy on the condo's tv...TLC. And there are preview for an ALL NEW episode: Going Green....premieres April 19....where the G's are putting solar panels all over the roof of the house...EXPENSIVE. Unless TLC is paying to cover the electric bills they rack up by filming there!

The season just ended and we the viewers were supposed to be left wondering if the show will be back on the air. tThe folks at TLC could have left a bigger gap in production than that! Not that I'm watching anymore, but you get my point.

White/Black said...

Not wearing white before Easter/Memorial Day is an extremely outdated rule to follow. White is as in as black is, regardless of the season. Google it, you'll see.

My5blessings said...

I could only get one to come up, with Beth.
I couldn't laugh. To me, it was so sad for Beth. It actually made me feel terrible.
I could picture Kate saying all that was said. Saying that to the children about where Beth was, and what about Beth's little girl. The twin's BFF? With the boot of Beth came the boot of her poor daughter.
The more I read, the worse I feel about this entire situation.

It really does make me wonder though, Why in the World hasn't someone stepped up to "tell the truth?" Good Lord, did everyone sign something? I find that very difficult to believe.
I would LOVE to hear Beth's version of their friendship, her parents, siblings...... Poor Jodi.
WTH....... noone can speak?

Tetotomom said...

I couldn't find anywhere else to post this so I'm hoping this is the right place. I received this email from Gymboree and thought everyone on here would be intrested in knowing that the Gosselins pay for their clothes...HA HA HA HA


Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to express your concern. I think you may be referring to the recent show in which the Gosselins were shopping at Gymboree. While we allowed the taping of the show to happen in our store, please rest assured that we are not sponsoring the show. The Gosselins were paying for their purchases.

Our focus in giving--whether product or money --is focused on three main areas for children and families: 1-health and wellness, 2-education and development, and 3- children in need. At one time we did focus much more on gifts to celebrities, but we have since redirected our giving efforts. We are currently working on choosing charitable causes in each of these areas, and have in the past year donated about $4 Million worth of product to organizations that redirect it to children in need.

I hope that addresses your concern. Again, I do appreciate that you took the time to write to us.

Mark

Willow ` said...

Oh dear, has anyone seen the new commercials for the season five premiere (April 19th)? They're getting solar panels and God knows what else! They say they're trying to be environmentally friendly, but jeez, it's just another gift to them. And solar panels are so expensive; if you have the money for them, that's wonderful, but the fact that they're getting gifted something that expensive just annoys the heck out of me.

talklesssaymore said...

Re: The shoes.

PR 101 says to know your audience. If your audience is christian moms; mini skirts and high, high heels are not what you wear. It's going to be commented on and will turn people off.

She should have worn a below the knee skirt and a pair of cute flats/kitten heels.

Just one of the many reasons that she is going to self implode.

Kate Stinks said...

Just watching TLC now and they showed a preview of the Go Green episode. It shows them getting solar panels installed on their house and Jon saying they ALL wanted their new house enviromentally friendly. Also, they have some environmental guy (Steve Thomas I believe he has his own show) explaining to Kate about going green. Also, showed one of the tup girls (Leah or Alexis) wearing a green jacket.

How FAKE! If his family really cared about going green they wouldn't use all those paper plates, paper towels and not recycle. She also would not use all those chemical cleaners (like the ones the tups use to clean up the dog pee)! They care about going green because it saves them green -- they get it for free and that it all they care about.

My5blessings said...

Blessed Mama of 5 said...
Thanks, everyone for your comments about my post. I had been nervous about sharing my story, because I had wondered if the Gosselins read this blog, and it would be some kind of betrayal to them
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\Not be sound mean, but why would you care if she felt betrayed?
Are you a fan? a friend?

I know how it sounds coming across the computer ( hard for tone inflection), but I read this twice and I can't figure out why you would think it a betrayal to relay a story which is true and happened in your dh's Restaurant. I assure you none of us were shocked! I certainly wasn't.

My guess is she does read this blog ( although she lies and says she reads nothing negative, BS FLAG BIG TIME ON THAT ONE) She's too into herself to not want to know what others think of her.

GWOP is EVERYWHERE. You cannot Google J&K name without GWOP coming up, I LOVE It!

As a matter of fact, I found this place months ago, long before I ever posted because I Googled something to find out if something was true I had read. GWOP was the first thing that came up!
Pretty popular. She should know what people really think of her.

I also read a meager site recently.with some lady who "made a cake?" Have no idea who she is but she's pretty strange. No, really very odd to say the very least.
Her "following" is SUPER small.
Nothing like GWOP which in my opinion is VERY telling as to the fall off of people who once enjoyed the show who now see Kate and Jon for what they are-- Pimps.
Sorry, but it is what they are.

They pimp their kids out for cash, period, with no regard as to the after effects or hell the current effects on their souls.

Who cares if she reads it? Truth is the truth, right?

She came to your DH's restaurant, ate and left without tipping. EVERYONE knows you tip even if your meal is free. The waiter still has to run his or her ass off bringing you what you need. And my guess is those two ran their Waiter or Waitress to death.
So buck up, Who cares what she thinks, unless you still wish to have some sort of online relationship with her.
Why the fear?

dontsugarcoatit said...

"At one time we did focus much more on gifts to celebrities, but we have since redirected our giving efforts. We are currently working on choosing charitable causes in each of these areas, and have in the past year donated about $4 Million worth of product to organizations that redirect it to children in need."

Gymboree's response failed to address how much clothing/accessories they have 'donated' to the Gosselin family in exchange for FREE advertising/product placement on the J & K + reality show. Gymboree's explanation with respect to their guidelines in donating to CHARITY is one thing, however, their intentional use of the Gosselin children as the quid pro quo terms in exchange for free advertising/product placement is a totally different corporate 'ball game'!

Ann said...

Solar Panels? Going Green? I guess Kon will go with whatever is the current trend (like going from cotton candy to all "organic"). I am by no means good at recycling and I totally take advantage that our electricty cost 3 cents KWH by running my AC all summer, but I was always bothered by the 1,000's of paper plates they used and the paper towels. Maybe you can't handle doing all those dishes but at least use a dishwasher. How hard is it to buy a ton of dishrags instead of paper towels and wash them?
Kate reminds me of a friend, who also is trying to give her kids the childhood she did not have. My friends kids are younger then mine but whenever my kids get something , she has to have her kids get the "in" item even if they don't like it or appreciate it. Did all the kids really appreciate Sesame? or the harlem Globtrotters? Do the kids (especially the older ones) really want to wear matching clothes?

I think Kate's orginal dreams for her kids, were tons of pictures, grand scrapbooks, cotton candy pony parties she never had. Now she sees these are not the "in" things, so she goes for going green, organic food, oprah, gymboree, and box seats at every event in the tri state area.

KiSSy said...

Yup, just saw the commercial for the "Go Green" episode.

Kate...with her hard hat carefully perched atop her head so that her signature streaked sweep of obnoxiousness is still very visible. Wouldn't want to hide the coif. ;)

Was it my imagination or was she chomping on gum? Bleck...I really dislike seeing people vigorously chewing gum. It just seems to rude.

TN_Mamato4 said...

AGREED!!!!!! Plus, has anyone looked into those solar panels?.. They are looking at MINIMUM 20k cha-ching cha-ching!

PS. I MISSED the Southern Women's Show! Thanks for the synopsis!

Pps. Wow, so glad TLC is helping her be a "better mom" by hiring a great Nanny!

Tetotomom said...

Seems every time I've seen Kate she is chewing that gum. Maybe that's her cigarette or could be nerve pill. Who knows about that person.

SmartyQ said...

KiSSy said...
Yup, just saw the commercial for the "Go Green" episode.

Was it my imagination or was she chomping on gum? Bleck...I really dislike seeing people vigorously chewing gum. It just seems to rude.


QFI is a vigorous, almost full-time cud chewer. There was a great close-up of her chomping away while selecting the tups' bedroom furniture. You remember the episode—the one where Collin was seriously constipated and she couldn't be bothered?

Going green?!? When can we expect to see the clotheslines going up on the Konstead?

Aeris said...

Anonymous SmartyQ said...

Aeris said... With KON, it's all about appearances. The kids could be ½ Welsh/French (depending on Kate's ancestry) as opposed to only ¼ Korean. The kids look more Korean than anything else, so that is what seems to identify them. I wonder why Kate hasn't shared her background. Hopefully the kids are also getting a glimpse of European culture, since that makes up the other ¾ of their background.


Thank you much for the corrections, SmartyQ. I grew up in a 99% Caucasian community and the only way we could differentiate ourselves as kids was to share our ethnicities (Polish, Irish, etc.) We even called them our "nationalities" because we didn't know better. Back to the G's, there seems to be so much emphasis on the kids 1/4 Asian background, with no mentioning of the other 3/4. But I agree that the kids are 100% American.

If the G's are indeed going to Korea next season, I can't see them NOT bringing home a new baby. If so, it would be truly sad that rules can be bent for people with money.

overwithKON said...

Did anyone else see the pic of Candy Spelling laying on her stairs of ther $150 million estate in the lastest issue of People? GAWD! Honestly I could care less about her or her personal probelms, BUT you know who she totally reminds me of?

You guessed it! K8!

When I saw that pic all I could think is that Kate would pose for a pic like this if she could. It is sick and when people are losing their jobs everyday and she is boohooing about being alone, YOU DID IT TO YOURSELF! Just like Kate someday! Ha!

I tried to find a link to the pic on the net but couldnt. I will keep searching and post it if I can find it.

=0)

Jen K said...

Regarding college in PA...I believe the TAP funds which were set up by the Governor of PA for people to contribute to have a provision that the money is severely taxed if you move out of state. So I would guess that the G's know how much is in those accounts (as custodians of the accounts) and as chea...er, I mean FRUGAL as they are, they probably didn't want to miss out on yet more free cash.

They had wanted to move to warmer weather, and could have done so for about the same amount of money, but since they have virtually no family or friends to speak of anymore, there can only be one reason....access to the free college cash. IMO, anyway.

Jen K said...

Not sure if this was mentioned or not already, but in regard to Gymboree and the G's allegedly paying for their purchases. This could actually be true. If you notice in that scene, she enters the store via an outdoor parking area. If my limited knowledge of the area serves me correctly, there is an outlet center in Lancaster that has both Ann Taylor and Gymboree and it would seem she may have been at an outlet location rather than inside a mall where a regular store might be located.

Maybe Gymboree is no longer gifting them with clothing, but I'm 98% sure they were getting them free at one point.

The other thought was that maybe they had to film at the outlet center due to not having permission from a mall to film inside. That's possible too.

HiThere said...

If Kate's birth name is Kreider, then she is at least 1/2 German heritage. Don't know her mom's maiden name.
The kids have a pretty good mix of nationalities in their background- Korean, German, French, Welsh.
I agree with previous posters- they should explore ALL of their ancestry.

MilitaryMom said...

A couple of things....as a military wife we lived in Germany when my son was young (tups age). We traveled throughout Europe extensively and he'll look at the pictures but really doesn't remember the trips. What he does remember is going sledding in the winter and swimming in the summer and walking the dog.

One of the reasons they live in PA is because the mansion that they purchased there for $1.3 mil would cost them $3 mil+ on the coast of NC or anywhere else for that matter

They are wannabes and would not be able to flaunt their "celebrity" in any large city. As long as they stay where they are they can be that big fish in the little pond. They also don't have to contend with the child labor laws if they stay in PA.

The kids are definately the ones who are going to suffer in the long run. I feel so sorry for them.

They are classless individuals - remember you can put lipstick on a pig......

Jane in California said...

none4you said...

IMO, the most upsetting aspect of the 'who got to eat a cupcake and who didnt' isnt about the "you dont eat your dinner you dont get the cupcake' but J & K's arbitrary approach in they way in which the 'rule' was presented to one child over and at the expense of other children. Particularly the boys.

Hannah was spoon fed her dinner, first by Kate and then Mady took over which resulted in her not eating ALL her dinner, but the miniscule amount that she did eat. But was thus warranted her cupcake. Whereas, the other tups, particularly the boys, were deemed disqualified for their cupcake because they did not eat ALL their dinner but were also not given the advantage of being spoon fed (by Kate, Jon, Mady, or Cara) a qualifying amount of food that would warrant a cupcake


Yes, that's it exactly. It felt as if Kate set up the boys to fail this test, so she could withhold their cupcake from them. This is when I first got a glimmering that Kate has quite a cruel streak to her when it comes to the boys.

As a parent, one of my most important goals is to raise a child who can function well in society, and ultimately contribute to society. A lot of rules around the house are in furtherance of these goals: Share with others; use manners, such as saying please or thank you, he is supposed to make his own bed and put his toys away where they belong, and he has various chores around the house. Other simple rules are common sense - if you eat your dinner, you may have dessert. I want my son to be healthy and strong. However, I don’t require that he eat a certain amount, only that he eat something healthy to begin with - be it an apple, some noodles, some green beans. Later on in the evening, if he is hungry, out comes the same food as presented at dinner.

However, and I can’t stress this enough, on special celebrations (Christmas, birthdays, and the like), many rules are relaxed. On his birthday, he gets to have his favorite dinner and dessert. If all he wants to eat for dinner is a bowl of chocolate ice cream, that’s allowed. It emphasizes that the day he was born was a truly special day for me and for him, and sets the day aside as different, unique, and out of the ordinary. I would only punish my child on his birthday for a serious infringement on rules of behavior, such as hitting someone, being mean to others, throwing a tantrum. However, since it’s his special day, he’s usually so happy enjoying it, behavior issues just don’t come up.

As I said, what I saw on that episode was a mother who sets up her boy children to fail, so she can punish them. That tells me she enjoys making their lives miserable in little, petty ways, simply because she can. It stinks to high heaven.

Me said...

I wonder how many episodes they can stretch the Korea trip into...I'd guess at least ten.

Cee Cee said...

I just watched the cupcake episode on youtube and picked up on something that kate said that I never noticed before. The kids were outside playind while she was fixing dinner and she said " they are screaming so you know that they haven't been abducted and they are not dead. That's a good thing....right?"
Thats a good thing...right? What kind of mother says that? She disgusts me more and more everyday!

Somewhereinoh said...

So the circumstances of the Gosselin family acquiring a NEW HOME is what suddenly prompted their desire to 'go green'? As if residing in their prior home was some how unworthy of the putting forth of their time and energy to educate and promote the advantages and benefits to embracing a 'green' lifestyle. IMO, the efforts put forth by the Gosselin family to 'going green' will encompass nothing more than the free advertising of sponsors featured on their show ( ie the installation of solar panels ). Was there not a previous episode of J & K + 8 where Sara Snow introduced Kate to 'enviroment friendly' cleaning alternatives only to see Kate feverishly spending four hours cleaning the fridge in their NEW HOME using numerous non-environment friendly cleaning products ?

Blessed Mama of 5 said...

My5blessings said...
Blessed Mama of 5 said...
Thanks, everyone for your comments about my post. I had been nervous about sharing my story, because I had wondered if the Gosselins read this blog, and it would be some kind of betrayal to them
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\Not be sound mean, but why would you care if she felt betrayed?
Are you a fan? a friend?

You are absolutely RIGHT! And I took it to heart, what you said. I am not a friend or a fan. I guess I am just not used to posting to these kinds of forums, and that is why it felt a little weird to do so. But I really wanted to, especially after reading another's comment on how Kon didn't seem to tip the men who brought in the new stove at the old house (to replace the one that had exploded). Even after they worked really hard to make it fit. That whole episode just struck a nerve with me.

Anyway, I would also love to understand more about Beth and Jodi's experience, but if I (a stranger) felt a little weird about posting, I can only imagine how someone who was once very close would feel. I bet they will talk about it, eventually, when they are ready.

Jo Ann said...

Oh man...If the rest of the kids don't wind up hating Hannah for being the "favored one", it'll be a miracle.

It's not Hannah's fault for all of this, but it seems very obvious to me that she is taking full advantage of it and is getting better at it.

chickens will come home to roost...

If they do adopt a child from Korea, that will be a tragedy!

Just Moved said...

Tetotomom said...
"I couldn't find anywhere else to post this so I'm hoping this is the right place. I received this email from Gymboree and thought everyone on here would be intrested in knowing that the Gosselins pay for their clothes...HA HA HA HA

Hello,

Thank you for taking the time to express your concern. I think you may be referring to the recent show in which the Gosselins were shopping at Gymboree. While we allowed the taping of the show to happen in our store, please rest assured that we are not sponsoring the show. The Gosselins were paying for their purchases."

This is surprising. Didn't Jodi's sister say that Kate gets credit cards to shop with? I think it probably is something like the money that is deposited for the people who appear on WHAT NOT TO WEAR. Perhaps the cards are not given by Gymboree but come from TLC. Even if this isn't true, they probably could still get the clothes as a tax write-off as they are probably are work clothes. Remember the show is our life and our life is the show. I also remember Julie saying something about the boxes of clothes that would arrive in their garage - I am sure they are being reimbursed in some way and wonder why Gymboree would just deny it.

Mom At Home said...

Tami said...
"Kate would be PISSED to be left with the girls and Jon take the boys."
----------------------
I disagree. To leave Kate with 'her girls' (twins not included) is perfection. To be left alone with her 'icky boys' is the equivalent to punishment
********
Huh? The only girl she really likes is Hannah. She's not interested in spending time with the rest of them. Maybe last year she was ok with Jon taking the boys out once or twice but now she doesn't seem to want to have to be responsible for anything if Jon is not around. Remember he needs to be there to wipe butts, ect. She does nothing.

4/05/2009 10:30 PM
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Remember the night they camped out in their back yard?

When the lightning and thunder started, Cara and Mady were scared and ran to the tent Kate was sharing with the little girls.

Kate wouldn't let them in!
She told them to go to Jon's tent.

Her remark was something to the effect: "Can you imagine having FIVE girls in my tent!"

So Jon had the three boys and two twin girls.

But Kate couldn't have had FIVE girls!

The woman is simply a creep.

Krystal K said...

It is sick and when people are losing their jobs everyday and she is boohooing about being alone, YOU DID IT TO YOURSELF! Just like Kate someday! Ha!

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Her husband died. Her son Randy is friends with my little brother and he is still very much in contact with Candy. BTW he doesn't share Tori's recollections of such a terrible childhood. She is not the little victim she claims according to my bro. I don't claim to know Randy too much, his pronounced adams apple really grosses me out so I dont ever hang much.

flatmouse said...

I needed to take my dog to the vet today, and as I was checking her in, sitting on the counter was April's Lady Home Journal. On the front cover, gag, was the whole G clan, in spring white outfits. I grabbed it and scanned it before my dog came back out. Same ol' same ol' stuff about super Kate, super mom.... yada, yada, yada.Some of how their marriage was strong and in no trouble despite the co-ed bar pics. Looked like a lot of BS to me.
I noticed on the front cover picture that Collin's hand had 2 fingers in a heavily wrapped green medical wrap type bandage. I have never read how he was injured and skimmed the article and didn't see it mentioned. Dogs maybe? They made no attempt to hide it, it was green and they were all wearing white.

jen said...

Is there a video online of the preview for the Going Green episode? I am interested to see these solar pannels.

Cathleen said...

SLAHSarah said...
While on vacation in Myrtle Beach on this cold, windy, cloudy day, I'm stuck watching the ONLY channel that doesn't come in fuzzy on the condo's tv...TLC. And there are preview for an ALL NEW episode: Going Green....premieres April 19....where the G's are putting solar panels all over the roof of the house...EXPENSIVE. Unless TLC is paying to cover the electric bills they rack up by filming there!
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Of course TLC is paying for the electric bill, as well as the solar panels, the installation, and any other incidental charge that is incurred...

ICExploitation said...

I think the answer from Gymboree is a load of crap. They still allow those children to be filmed in their clothing. While there is no "logo" to be blurred, it is obvious (especially to that demographic) that the clothes are Gymboree.

Your answer is not the stock answer that other people seem to be getting. Maybe if more people did the same, Gymboree would not allow their clothing name to be linked with the Gosselins.

Sidney said...

Anyway, I would also love to understand more about Beth and Jodi's experience, but if I (a stranger) felt a little weird about posting, I can only imagine how someone who was once very close would feel. I bet they will talk about it, eventually, when they are ready.

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It is interesting that you think Beth and Jodi will talk about their experience. You surely may be right.

I don't see it, though. I think they are both way above something like that.

Especially Beth. That girl has Class.

Perhaps Jodi, because she is family. I imagine her family has talked about it a lot. That would be natural.

I would be surprised if they went public though, because I think Jodi regretted the other time when she went public.

B.Mo said...

Just felt like commenting on the whole "culturing" deal. I'm 50%Mexican, 50% Italian born and raised in Texas. I know just as much from Italy and my ancestors than I do from Mexico and my ancestors there. I have been to Mexico a BILLION times and none to Italy...I grew up in a middle class family, and although there were rough times in the past, there was no special reasoning as to why we didnt travel to Italy, I guess it just didnt happen. But then again, my father being the great father he is, made damn sure I knew exactly where he was from and what my roots are. Not only do I know and speak to my relatives that yes, still live in Italy, but I feel that as a 20 yr old who speaks Italian, spanish and english fluently...a 4 year old who just all of a sudden goes to Korea to get "cultured" will not get much from it. You can't "culture" someone by taking them to Korea one summer and believing this is enough...its something you start from day one and keep it going. I'm willing to bet these kids will go on a trip to Korea and wont hear a thing about it afterwords. Same thing w/Kate's side of the family.

bflohockeygirl said...

Two things...

First, a lot of people are mentioning the idea that they might "come home from Korea with a new baby." It doesn't work that way, even for the rich and quasi famous. If they did adopt a baby, it would have to be in the works already - the state has certain requirements that EVERYONE must fulfill before they're allowed to adopt a child. They can't just decide to do it & then do a show & go to Korea & bring home a child - it's a months'-long (at least - I know people who have waited a couple of years for a referral, but they're not rich/famous) process, and while having money might speed it up somewhat, their money isn't going to get them out of having to submit to background checks, a home study, etc. (This is based on my experience as an adoptive parent; I'm very familiar with it all because I've been through it over the past few years, lol.)

Second...The going green thing makes me want to puke. I mean, if this means they're not going to use eleventy kajillion paper plates with every meal, that's phenomenal. But as someone who has been recycling since LONG before my town had a recycling program in place (I remember schlepping bundled newspapers to the recycling centre on Saturday mornings when I was fourteen) & who uses cloth diapers, line-dries my laundry, composts, gardens (all my veggies are organic, dontchaknow!), and does a million other little things that LOTS of people do every day that are good for the environment, it makes me sick to think that JK8 are going to sit there & pat themselves on the back as if they were the only people in the world doing these things . . . and then they'll probably do only the bare minimum they have to (and that only while the cameras are rolling). You know, kind of like they do with their parenting...

My5blessings said...

Blessed Mama of 5 wrote:
You are absolutely RIGHT! And I took it to heart, what you said. I am not a friend or a fan. I guess I am just not used to posting to these kinds of forums, and that is why it felt a little weird to do so.

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Man, I've got to change my name! LOL
There are so many Mom's to five here!
I'm glad you feel good about it:) I was hoping you would take it exactly as intended.

None of us are surprised she and Jon acted like the ingrates they are.

Fact is, your dh did something nice and that's that. His heart remains pure. That's what counts.
I wouldn't let her sway me from doing something kind again in the future. Really, they are so out there. Most "thinking" people do not act like these two.

Yes, I too would like to hear the entire skinny. Hopefully someone fesses up in the way of a book.
Now wouldn't that just piss ole Kate off! Not only would someone "out" her. They'd make money to boot. OH LORDY!

Sharon said...

As far as I'm concerned, they can "go green", red, black, and blue or crap brown, I will not be watching. They can have a 5th season, not have a 5th season,I don't care, I will not be watching. I've had enough of Kate, to last me for a long time, and I e/mailed TLC and let them know. They will never pull the plug, as long people keep watching.If they ever have an episode when the kids are teens, I MAY watch. If I want to get upset over TV, I will watch the news. It's less depressing than watching that train wreck. So, on that note, good night everyone.

Tara said...

ICExploitation said...

I think the answer from Gymboree is a load of crap. They still allow those children to be filmed in their clothing. While there is no "logo" to be blurred, it is obvious (especially to that demographic) that the clothes are Gymboree.

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I don't understand this comment. How is Gymboree supposed to stop the children from being filmed in their clothing? So, they've stopped giving the G's free clothes, they certainly can't stop them from buying and dressing the kids in those clothes.

alessa said...

Kate Gosselin is coming back to Michigan, to Troy, a suburb of Detroit. She'll be speaking at Faith Lutheran Church.

I wanna hold a sign out and protest, "Kate, go home to your babies." She makes me sick.

mirele said...

I wondering if the twins won't do a Macaulay Culkin when they get older. (Culkin persuaded a judge to emancipate him from his parents when he was 15 years old.) Heck, maybe they could be like that nine-year-old girl in Yemen who marched into court and asked the judge to give her a divorce (her father had forced her into a marriage).

If my parents were exploiting my life for their benefit, you bet your sweet bippy I'd be more than a little bit upset about it when I got old enough to understand. Maybe that's what KON is hoping...they reap the riches now and by the time the kids get old enough to sue, there's nothing left.

gymbo1 said...

If my limited knowledge of the area serves me correctly, there is an outlet center in Lancaster that has both Ann Taylor and Gymboree and it would seem she may have been at an outlet location rather than inside a mall where a regular store might be located.


That wasn't an outlet, the clothes she was buying at Gymbo were the new line at the time of filming, no markdowns yet, and I doubt she searches out the 20% coupons like I do.

MargaritaRita said...

I'm afraid if they are going back to their roots they will end up in hell!

Good Grief said...

SmartyQ said...

It seems to me the Gosselin children would be better served being exposed to American history because that makes up 100% of their nationality, and they are 3/4 Caucasian.

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Wow, ethnocentric much? Since when is exposing children to different countries and cultures a bad thing?

jill said...

I am wondering...how did she answer the diet question?

Jon said at one point all she eats are salads????

Sue said...

"They will never pull the plug, as long people keep watching."

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Amen to that, Sharon, amen to that. That's what everyone needs to understand. Complaining to TLC, writing to the product sponsors or complaining on blogs isn't what's going to hault this show. Viewers tuning out IS what will put an end to the show.

ICExploitation said...

I don't understand this comment. How is Gymboree supposed to stop the children from being filmed in their clothing? So, they've stopped giving the G's free clothes, they certainly can't stop them from buying and dressing the kids in those clothes.

Product placement is a two way street - there are products that are openly displayed. There are also products that Gosselins may use, but the manufacturers have not signed a release to let their products be shown - ie the retraction of Juicy Juicy - the label is now blurred. IF (and that's a big if) Gymboree listened to the Mothers that actually BUY their products and really did not want their products to be associated with the show - they number one, would not have let the filming occur in their store. There is no "logo" to blur out, as I stated, but those clothes are identifiable.

Kristin said...

"If my limited knowledge of the area serves me correctly, there is an outlet center in Lancaster that has both Ann Taylor and Gymboree and it would seem she may have been at an outlet location rather than inside a mall where a regular store might be located."

No, it was a shopping center called The Shoppes at Wyomissing. I'm from Wernersville, and I recognized it immediately.

As to why the Gosselins specifically moved back to Berks County, where they are almost universally hated-- I think part of the reason they moved back IS the hate. For the most part, people leave them alone when they go out because they can't stand them.

My5blessings said...

Kate Gosselin is coming back to Michigan, to Troy, a suburb of Detroit. She'll be speaking at Faith Lutheran Church.

I wanna hold a sign out and protest, "Kate, go home to your babies." She makes me sick.

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Are you kidding!? If you are close enough, why not? I think it would send a very clear message to her.
Anything stopping you? Take pictures of the stunned "what everyone doesn't love me" look on her face.

LovesToCook said...

I woke from a sound sleep, couldn't get back to sleep, wound up here, and felt compelled to give my two cents at 2:00am: It is mind-boggling that anyone cares what these two celeb wannabes think about ANYTHING. Not sure they have even one whole brain between them, and their thoughts/actions about parenting and marriage have been proved to be a total farce. The Gosselins are one of the best jokes of the century!

thecloserfan said...

I checked out the requirements for adopting a child from South Korea and found out that Jon and Kate don't qualify. According to South Korean Adoption requirements, the prospective parents must have no more than five children (that includes the adopted child). Also, there is some type of home evaluation that the Gosselins certainly wouldn't pass.

http://adoption.state.gov/country/south%20korea.html#who1

PeanutsMom said...

I needed to take my dog to the vet today, and as I was checking her in, sitting on the counter was April's Lady Home Journal. On the front cover, gag, was the whole G clan, in spring white outfits.

Thats weird, Heidi Klum is on the cover of my April issue.

MM2005 said...

Serious question, and I apologize if it has been discussed in the past. How are the ratings for a TV show calculated? Has it changed from the Nielsen family method -- where there are a small number of families with boxes attached to their TVs that record their viewing selections and then a formula is used to determine what the population as a whole is watching, or is the method more sophisticated -- and accurate? Do cable companies have the capability to keep track of what TV shows all of their subscribers are actually watching? If are viewing choices are not being individually tracked, then only the Nielsen families matter and whether we are watching or not isn't being noted anywhere. If that is true, then should those of us who are not Nielsen families contact the advertisers and/or TLC with our concerns?

Blessed Mama of 5 said...

My5blessings said...

Man, I've got to change my name! LOL
There are so many Mom's to five here!
I'm glad you feel good about it:) I was hoping you would take it exactly as intended.

Thanks, My5blessings for your sweet words :). I just realized that our screen names are very similar! I am hoping to be "Blessed Mama of 6", as I am 5 weeks pregnant, but we did lose our last 2 babies right around 7 weeks. DH and I are praying so hard that this little one sticks :).

I have another observation & question. Do the Gosselin kids have any chores, that anyone knows of? I only remember seeing 2 of the Tups cleaning up the dog pee with chemicals and a paper towel (which is very yuck, IMO). But I was just thinking about how our family operates, and if the kids could help a little bit, I think that would be good for the family, and for them! At age 4-5, our kids were able to do some little things, like empty wastebaskets and help fold laundry (my 6 yr. old is actually a great folder, she just loves to do it); helping to empty the diswasher, sort the silverware, wipe down the table after meals, etc. The twins could do other things like help dust and vacuum, maybe help change the bedding and make up the beds. I don't know...if the kids were encouraged to participate more in the household chores, maybe they wouldn't have need for the cleaning person? Or at least, not as much of a need. I think it's also a great way to instill responsibility in the kids, perhaps to even earn a small allowance so they will learn the value of money. Just a thought!

Meanwhile, I realize the kids do "earn" lots of $$$ by doing the show, but I think that is somehow intangible to a child (ie direct deposits into a large bank account, versus small change that they could save up in a piggy bank) and also just so exploitative and wrong! *sigh*

LJ said...

"jill said...
I am wondering...how did she answer the diet question?

Jon said at one point all she eats are salads????"

Jon said something like "oh go eat your bird food" and she said "I only eat salads" Then in the Oprah video on you tube she says that she wakes up at 5:30 to run for an hour on the treadmill.

Froggus. said...

oh, geeze.

the rerun of mady and cara's birthday is on, the one where jon was conveniently [FINALLY!] home and able to help kate decorate.

they get to discussing his job status, on camera .. looking directly in to it, with a straight face ..

and i laughed, out loud.
literally.
'jon will be home to do this and that and nothing at the same time .. stay home with me more, honey!'

gag-inducing, yet hilarious when hindsight is evoked.

mrst said...

It is ridiculous to have a show on the Gosselin's (mom, dad, TLC) going green. Their lifestyle does not reflect this way of life. Big house, unnecessary travel, free plastic gifts? Are they going to ride their bikes to their next big vacation?

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