Slopes, Sleds, and Sesame Recap

Gulp! I sure am nervous! Since I last watched they've moved into a huge house they deserve, got two puppies they deserve, and Kate has gotten the faux tan she deserves!

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fostersmom said...

Gulp! I sure am nervous! Since I last watched they've moved into a huge house they deserve, got two puppies they deserve, and Kate has gotten the faux tan she deserves!


Uh oh. Looks like there's a bit of discord on the confessional couch. Mr. and Mrs. Gosselin are sitting as far away from each other on the misnamed loveseat as humanly possible. They scarcely acknowledge each other's presence. Neither one smiles while the other one speaks. Kate does a lot of tugging on her left earring. Does each pull release something into her carefully crafted body?


It's going to be hard to stay awake during this episode since it's a lot like those Panavision travelogues of the 1950s... only far less interesting.


We start off with Jon telling us Cara would not stop talking about their ski trip last January. So of course he does what any unemployed father of eight living in Pennsylvania in the middle of winter does. He flies to Utah with his daughter so they can have some fun in the snow.


Back home his lovely bride, with the wicked tan any lifeguard would be proud to have in August, takes Mady to get her new braces adjusted "without cameras," Mama Kate hastens to add. What is up with this newfound respect for her daughter's privacy? She just couldn’t be more supportive. She holds up a mirror so Mady can see "how better your teeth are already."


Meanwhile Kate keeps telling us how she is going to take the remaining seven kids to see "Sesame Street Live," but we're 12 minutes into the show before we even see the sextuplets.


Back in Utah, Jon is giving us a scintillating blow by blow description of Cara's natural ability on the slopes. He uses words like "really cool" and "awesome" so that we can almost feel the powdery snow hitting our cheeks as we schuss down the mountain. Since it’s impossible to identify the bundled skiers these could be any vacationers being filmed. However, some editor cleverly inserts text saying CARA with an arrow so we know this skier is the eldest Gosselin child. We meet Cara's instructor, Bonnie, the Australian girl from their first trip to Utah and some guy named Cooper is mentioned who speaks "dude."


Jon even wants to bang his helmet against Cara's a couple of times to show what good buds they are! What a cool dad!


But there's trouble in paradise. Jon explains this is the first time it's been 'just ourself' with one parent and Cara is homesick. Kate’s disembodied voice tells us that Cara is worried about missing her, but when asked who she misses, Cara says the "dogs, mommy and other peoples." In that order.


Back in Pennsylvania Kate feeds the dogs and tells them they're getting a dog sitter and they should pee where they're supposed to. Then she tells Mady to brush her teeth for no apparent reason and Mady of course gives her some lip. We would have been surprised if she didn't.


Kate is taking the seven kids because this is the first time she could trust that they would obey and she could handle it. She starts to get in on the passenger side of the van, but then adorably notes that she is driving! C'mon Kate. I was born in the morning, but it wasn't this morning. I can't imagine she got any farther than the end of the driveway before one of the lackeys took over behind the wheel.


The kids fall asleep on the drive to see the Sesame Street show. Hannah, of all people, has a complete meltdown after she's awakened. Kate says "of all people" twice so we're sure to know that this isn't like Hannah at all. In fact Hannah demands to be carried! And guess what? Kate, high heels and all, picks her up and carries her into the auditorium. Kate's voice over tells us that "It ended up working out and that's real love." Thanks for letting us know that, Kate.


Of course they're ushered to box seats so they can move around, because at this point the kids have an attention span as big as a dime. That's a very funny expression that I've never heard before. Maybe she meant to say attention span as long as a gnat's or something like that. But never mind, I get it. They have their own kitchen galley so Kate can get up and get popcorn. Maybe it's the lying eye of the camera but it seems as if the arena is huge and there are perhaps a hundred people watching the show at ground level. And then there are the Gosselins and some other folks in sky boxes. I'm happy the kids can see anything without binoculars or telescopes since they seem to be so far from the stage.


Lordy be, we go back to Utah to see more of Jon's travelogue. He wants to bobsled so he and some others take instruction from the guy who was the Jamaican bobsled coach in the Olympics some years ago. Jon is told to do things like ‘get small and stay small’, shrug his shoulders, breathe, and ‘take your head and shove it between your knees.’ I think that's what he said. Or maybe someone was telling him how to look for his lost manhood.


Then thankfully it stops being all about Jon and he and Cara go snow tubing. He shares that he worked in a tube park for four years through high school. Just a thought, Jon, maybe you and Cara could have taken a day and gone to the park you worked in. That would've been nice. You wouldn't have had to fly all the way to Utah. Oops, I forgot. How could you buy a new condo in Park City, Utah if you're in the Poconos?


Back at the Sesame Street show Kate tells us their bellies were "fool" and by the end of the show they're tired, but of course the kids get to meet the characters and hug them before they hit the road again. There's a cute little 15 second exchange wherein the little boys talk to each other about their favorite Muppets. Kate is so sweet to the characters! The kids get goody bags and have their pictures taken with the Muppets. Kate reminds them to say ‘thank you.’ I'm sure all the kids in the audience had this up close and personal experience. Right?


Kate tells us how much Alexis loves Elmo and even asks Alexis if she's going to marry him. Lexy shoots her a look worthy of any teenaged girl who has had just about enough crap from her mother. Priceless!


Then we hear how Kate was so happy Cara was home she couldn't get her seat belt off fast enough, blah blah blah.


Jon and Kate express their happiness that they were all back together again, body language and facial expressions to the contrary.


Sorry. I'm not buyin' it.

Submitted by Moons in Leo

ana said...

I keep telling DH that Kate is going to rip a hole in her ear one day if she keeps tugging on that earring. It is so annoying.

I love my son! said...

Great recap!

Jessica said...

"Or maybe someone was telling him how to look for his lost manhood."

MY FAVORITE PART! thanks for the great recap.

Patsy said...

'Or maybe someone was telling him how to look for his lost manhood. '

You made me spit my drink out on my computer with that line. Great recap!

Its A Good Thing said...

Thanks for the recap it was MUCH better than watching the show I believe. I no longer watch because its just to phony and I feel terrible for the kids. Its nice to have a place to come for all the Gosselin info without having to contribute to the Gosselin craze.

My Kids Mom said...

What about the commercial for the next episode, the season finale . . . it seems to me that there is major trouble in paradise . . . anyone know what's up next?

AJK said...

My Kids Mom...I was just about to say that. What in the world is going to happen? I have a feeling they are making it sound like something horrible is going to happen and then all it will be is separate check cards or something else equally dumb. URGH...these people drive me batty.

Janine said...

Great Recap!

Yeah, I am kind of wondering what the heck is going to happen next week, but I think they are just going to admit that they are going through a "rough patch" in their marriage....which isn't a big secret. I wonder how the sheeple will defend them on this.

Also, doesn't Kate realize that the reason Hannah "of all people" is throwing tantrums is because she is SPOILED beyond belief and she KNOWS that if she cries and screams she will get what she wants??
Once again this episode showed the blatant favorism of Hannah. She got carried into the autotorium, their was a shot of her and Kate enoying the show (just the 2 of them), Kate was holding ONLY Hannahs hand when walking out to see the characters, etc. etc.

It makes me sick.

justanote said...

Kate said "that's real life" not "that's real love". I think she was covering for the fact that she told Hannah that she wouldn't carry her and then ended up picking her up.

Nanci said...

It makes me sick...auditorium...

SmartyQ said...

Great recap! The skiing part reminded me of Cara's special day. You remember—Kon took her to a skating rink. Cara struggled along while Jane whizzed around and showed us what a fine skater he is.

I'm sure Jane spent a total of less than a day with Cara, and I'm sure that, after filming, Cara was on her own with her sitter while Jane was hanging with the younger set—on the slopes, on the dance floor and in the smart watering holes.

Oh, and I do so love it with Jane pontificates on something and gets it wrong. (Okay, he was right that 'PR' meant 'public relations.') I have been in the room when the instructor was explaining about the bobsled ride. (Not that I went on it, but I listened to the instructions so I could tell their parents how their children, my friends, died.)

Jane, hon, you were PUSHING Gs—not pulling them. That's what the instructor said, and that's what I know because I went through Naval Aviation Flight Training in Pensacola, Florida, with my husband. (He got to fly the planes, and I got to read all of his stuff to quiz him on it. I could send Morse code faster than he.)

If you had paid attention, the instructor also would have told you how to counteract some of the G force. But, poor dear, you don't really know what a G is, now do you?
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my9cats said...

Nice recap. Thanks for my Tuesday laugh. Cooper must be the person Jane was hitting the bars with in Utah. The name was mentioned in several forums as Jane's bar-hopping friend.

Katyna said...

I was actually relieved when Jon and Cara were sitting at dinner and Jon told Cara that he loved her. He hugged her a few times too. I rarely see these children hugged or told that they are loved.

Laurie said...

I think the reason there were no cameras at the orthodontist is probably because he/she said NO. You'll notice that they didn't show any of the work being done on Maddy, just smiling in the mirror. They probably have to pay the orthodontist. The reason they filmed the dentist is because it is the woman that was in practice with Jon's dad. She got a plug. Notice they didn't show who the orthodontist is or where he is - BUT they had to have some filler for the show.

Great recap and you're right about the body language.

Laura said...

I read an article that Kate and Jon are having martial "growing pains" because Kate's "career has really taken off" and Jon isn't doing much. I am sure the weight of sudden wealth and fame (well, semi fame, it's not like they are Brad and Angie) has really torn these two apart. They've had so many sudden lifestyle changes that I am sure there's problems. It makes me sad and I hope they invest in some counseling. I think the article I am refering to is on the new article list on the main page of this blog.

Onomatopoeia said...

Excellent recap, Moons! Love the 'the head between the knees' comment - outstanding description of the nutless wonder. Glad I missed the show...besides, your recap was ever so much more entertaining.

like the show said...

by the way...

kate never said mady got her braces adjusted without cameras, she said she got them on without cameras

also when kate picked up hannah after she had a temper tantrum she said "thats real life" not "real love"

and personally i love this show and i think that the jon and kate are good parents, its just extremely challenging raising 8 young kids!

Midwest Teacher said...

Just watched my DVR and have to say your recap was exact! It was nice to see Cara laughing and smiling, but why just Cara? I know Mady hated the first trip, but she may have enjoyed just the 3 of them this time.

The "Hannah tantrum" was right on. She knows how to work her mother. And the "of all people" comment was just ridiculous. If it had been any other child Kate would have been downright nasty. I also found it interesting that Kate seemed a little out of sorts. She hasn't had this much responsibility with the kids in a long time.

Also, one other note. Is it me, or has Kate had her breasts done? I know she's really in shape, but things seem to be perfectly "North" these days. I don't know, maybe it's the tops she's been wearing. I'm not that bothered by her change of appearance, the fake tan is bit a much, but just noticed things seemed extra "perky".

Debbie Beck said...

The most I think they will admit is going through a 'rough patch' is the DOG TRAINING.

emma said...

Fostersmom, you are freakin' brilliant! I love love love your recaps. Are you a professional writer? If you aren't, have you thought about dabbling in it? You write so well. So witty and on point. I stopped watching this train-wreck a while back but I look forward to your recaps every week. Keep up the great work!!!

Pray4Kate said...

Midwest Teacher said...
"Also, one other note. Is it me, or has Kate had her breasts done? I know she's really in shape, but things seem to be perfectly "North" these days. I don't know, maybe it's the tops she's been wearing. I'm not that bothered by her change of appearance, the fake tan is bit a much, but just noticed things seemed extra "perky".


OMG! I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING! I mean really, it doesn't surprise me...she's "perfect" all ready that I'm not surprised if she wanted to be even more "perfect" The FAKE BAKE is disgusting!!!!! Seriously, watch an old episode and then a new one....the difference in her look is outragouse! And by the way Kate, you dont look good! Fake Bake never looks good!! You look gross!!!

Moons in Leo said...

Thank you all for your nice words.

Um, emma, I was the one who wrote this recap, and I appreciate your kindness.

For those who think Kate said "real life" instead of "real love," all I can say is alrighty then. Does it really make a difference?

timetogokon said...

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but why does Mady have braces already?? Most children at that age are still losing teeth

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Orthodontics is totally different now than when I was growing up . Kids get braces MUCH earlier now, if there is a need. My 11 yo's dentist told me from the time he was in Kindergarten that he would need braces. He had a palate expander all last year and is getting his full set of braces this April.

RyzandShyn said...

I have no idea what to think. I have read both pro and con information about this family and can understand both points of view.
I watch the show and do wonder why I never see Leah. Whoever mentioned Hannah pushed into the limelight is correct.
Methinks Jon boy might be having his mid-life crisis a bit early, which would actually be about right considering how young he was when fatherhood hit him. He missed his twenties and could be trying to make a grab at them now. Stuck in that huge house with extra chores now on top of all those kids and a wife he can't do anything right for, I can't say I don't understand it. I sure hope he comes to his senses though and that they can work things out.

sistah2 said...

Midwest, I noticed that after the first season Kate def. had a boob job done. If you see any early epis, you can see the difference. I guess it was after the NY doc would not do the breast lift for the cameras...she got it done by someone else eventually, IMO.
I dont watch this show anymore, just read here..but does anyone really believe Kate "took all 7 kids by herself" to that show? Come on. they just dont show all the help on camera any more. Its there. Even tho how hard can it be? they get special treatment and the kids are older now.

SeriouslySerious said...

like the show said...

by the way...

kate never said mady got her braces adjusted without cameras, she said she got them on without cameras

also when kate picked up hannah after she had a temper tantrum she said "thats real life" not "real love"

and personally i love this show and i think that the jon and kate are good parents, its just extremely challenging raising 8 young kids!

You are definitely entitled to your views (that's what makes this country great...right *wink*) We all can go back and forth about words all day long but that doesn't change the fact that exploitation of children is wrong. Ask the Dionne quints from the 1950's about how wonderful their lives were and became by being put on display for all to see.

Side note: raising any child (1 or 21) is stressful- not sure exactly what your argument is here. Does what you say, "J&K are good parents" justify exploitation of their own kids for 'their' own gains?

SeriouslySerious said...

Fostersmom, I want to write like you when I grow up!
Favorite line: "Does each pull release something into her carefully crafted body?" I think it is releasing (hopefully) some of her carbon footprint.

Jane in California said...

First of all, great recap. Thank you Moons in Leo for enduring the show! As to all that ear tugging -- wouldn't it be funny if someone hypnotized Kate and told her that every time she's annoyed by Jon, she needs to tug on her ear. That would certainly explain the near-constant tugging.
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"Janine said...

Yeah, I am kind of wondering what the heck is going to happen next week, but I think they are just going to admit that they are going through a "rough patch" in their marriage....which isn't a big secret. I wonder how the sheeple will defend them on this."

My guess is that the diehard fans will ooh and ahh over how brave Kate is being, and how wonderful it is to see a "real life" couple deal with marriage troubles, in a Christian way. *rolling my eyes already*

Of course, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that Kate treats her husband and kids like dirt, or how the two of them are money grubbing losers.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

What do you mean be the house she deservie?

Beverly said...

Wow! Great Recap! I felt the same way about that large gap between them during those interviews, because usually on all of their interviews Jon usually has his arm lounged over where Kate sits and Kate would occasionally interrupt him and she'd always slap his leg. This episode was a large switch from the usual and all those horrible rumors of the two getting a divorce simply contradicts to what Kate and Mady(as a repetition) said in Hawaii right before the ceremony on how that they're always going to be together and I actually did see the picture that Us Weekly claims is the source of their issues and honestly, that picture is so old and what's a picture with Jon and 2 fans? I swear, trashy magazines like those are just rude and irrelevant!

Sidney said...

I think next week is when they realize they can't properly care for 8 kids and two dogs. The dogs will have to go.

Those little kids really do love those dogs.

SandyW said...

Moons in Leo - Really enjoyed the recap.

"Submitted by Moons in Leo"

SeriouslySerious said...

I am so sorry Moons In Leo - I want to write like you, too! I wish I had the talent (and the stomach for watching).

Steph said...

I don't have any idea what next week's episode will bring, but I do know Kate's posture was defensive again in the preview on the couch. She had her leg up again in a defensive or blocking fashion - which she did during a few episodes this winter.

I don't think they'll come out and address any marital rumors, but I do believe the preview was specifically added to draw viewers for a big season finale! TLC and manipulation go hand in hand.

HenryKids Mom said...

Next week, I hope will address some issues currently in the headlines about their marriage. They do show flashbacks to "coupongate" in the promos. I'm sure that whatever they will say was filmed recently and will be spliced into the show.
Some speculate the headline grabbing as of late is for sweeps week. Given kates personality type- I HIGHLY doubt she would allow anyone to falsely accuse her husband of cheating on her for publicity for the show. Anyone who has been cheated on knows that once word gets round even a very small town- the humilation factor is huge for the non cheating spouse. I can not imagine her subjecting herself to this on a national level. Image is everything to her.
I am not a sheeple or a Kate fan by any means- but IF he is trying to cozy up to coeds- my heart does go out to her.
Would Jon be justified to leave the marriage? YES!!!!
Seeing other people BEFORE separating from spouse? NO!!!!

Jennifer said...

Favorite line: "Does each pull release something into her carefully crafted body?"

Answer: "Yes. It releases more orange tan into her system."

Miranda said...

Here is what the season finale will bring:
"Family Outing"
Jon and Kate take the kids to a unique museum.
30 minutes

"B-Ball & More"
The Gosselins go to a basketball game to meet The Harlem Globetrotters.
30 minutes

So do you see? They are pretending they have a "special 1-hour episode" and say it's all been "building up to THIS..."
And hoping to get rating from viewers who'll tune in to see some big fight/announcement/decision ETC. It's all a load of malarky, don't fall for it!

Phoebe said...

I think it's great Jon spent some one on one time with Cara, I just hope he is fair dose it with Mady and all the kids as I know when I was a kids I loved one one one time with my parents as it made me feel special.

NDmom said...

I thoroughly enjoyed the recap! Thanks Moons in Leo!

I have been amazed at the "changed Kate" that we have seen evolve over the last year or so. I have been thinking for a while now that what my husband says must be true. He has so often made the comment that when a woman changes the way she looks in a pretty significant way such as by losing alot of weight or doing other cosmetic things that she must be planning to leave or divorce her husband. I cannot tell you how many times he has made that observation and it later turned out to be true. He has a real sixth-sense about these things. I think Kate is trying to make herself more appealing to other men by making drastic changes to her appearance. Whether these thoughts are conscious or subconscious, she needs to prove to herself that she is still attractive (at least her vision of being attractive). Because she feels that her marriage is in danger or nearing an end. The fake deep-orange tan in winter is more than I can stomach. I don't know if men find that appealing or not, but I'm guessing they don't.

I wonder why she got the huge new wedding ring?? That thing is gigantic! I suppose she bought it for herself or else we would have seen the production crew write this into the show about how Jane so thoughtfully went out and chose the huge ring to show his immense love for Kate.

NDmom said...

One more thing. TLC, I have lots of footage of my kids skiing, would you be interested in showing that, too?? I think it is very entertaining stuff, but I doubt that anybody else would. And I didn't think that watching Jon and Cara on the slopes was entertaining either.

My daughter was 8 and my son was 6 the first time I took them skiing (by myself because my husband was out of town). My son was much more of a natural at it than my daughter but we kept working with her and encouraging them both so that they both grew to have a huge love for the outdoors, snow and skiing and later snowboarding. I think my daughter may have been slightly insulted that her younger brother was almost immediately comfortable with skiing and later snowboarding while she was spending more time on her butt, but we kept encouraging her and supporting her as she took a bit longer to get up to speed.

My point is, I'm sure Mady could learn to love skiing as well and she should have been included on this trip. What a wonderful time the twins could have had with their dad. Especially since they could also do some tubing, that might have been something that would have appealed to Mady and would have helped her to see that being on the snow in the great outdoors could be a blast in a couple of different ways. But I suppose that would have put a damper on Jon's fun if he had to slow down more to help Mady to learn to love skiing. But isn't that how it is when you have kids! You parent them, teach them, nurture them, help them to grow in many ways. While they are young, this takes more time but they grow up so fast. Soon they are like my kids and after teaching them how to ski, I can no longer keep up with them on the slopes. But we still have lots of fun being out there together.

I took my daughter to Sesame Street Live! when she was two and a half and then both my daughter and son when they were four and a half and two and a half. They both sat there perfectly because they were absolutely enthralled! They were amazing they way they sat so nicely! But then, they both learned to follow a story line from a very young age because we read to them all the time. They were wise beyond their years.

eli44 said...

I wonder how the other 7 felt about their sister getting to go on a big trip alone with their dad? I know Cara might be the only one interested in skiing but this still seems unfair. I was surprised there wasn't any (phony) talk of possible individual trips for the other kids. Jon has shown a preference for Cara before.

Anonymous said...

I think that everyone IS entitled to their own opinions, good and bad. They are doing this so their kids can have a financially stable future, hence coupongate. They save, its not a bad thing. Yes, Kate is intense, but no one knows what's really going on between them except little edited 30-60 minute excerpts.

I agree with I like the show. I think if you had 8 kids and lived in the face of the show you would meltdowns as well. I think they are smart to have established everything they need for their kids at an early age.

In terms of next week, its impossible to incorporate "headlines" in a pre-recorded episode. Also, I have a feeling they will discuss that Jon is feeling sad Kate is always away from home and he is "alone" raising the kids. I do not think they will get a divorce, they really do love each other.

And one more thing -- they are NOT a normal family. They are on television, they have 8 kids, and they have gained "fame". Of course they always have special privileges when they go on outings. It comes with the territory of being in front of a camera and getting paid for it. At least they aren't followed by paparazzi, then I think I'd be weirded out by it!

ScarySkierNewJersey said...

Excellent Recap! The bobsled comment was right on point! This was so much better than the episode itself!

jayley said...

Not only will Mady have beautiful teeth soon, she will have a healthy smile. I think it's so important that the message we send to young women is to be healthy, not beautiful. Healthy IS beautiful!

CC said...

I've noticed a lot of people commenting on Kate's big new ring. Actually Kate's ring is not new. I've seen it in older episodes (pre-vow renewal) as well. I guess it's more noticable now because she's always pulling on her earring with her left hand

itcouldhappen said...

Anonymous said:
In terms of next week, its impossible to incorporate "headlines" in a pre-recorded episode.

The couch session can be filmed and cut in the day of airing if need be.

timetogokon said...

Not only will Mady have beautiful teeth soon, she will have a healthy smile. I think it's so important that the message we send to young women is to be healthy, not beautiful. Healthy IS beautiful!

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Yes, absolutely. .....my point was that Keight seemed to make such a stink about how ugly Mady's mouth was....

SeriouslySerious said...

Anonymous said...

I think that everyone IS entitled to their own opinions, good and bad. They are doing this so their kids can have a financially stable future, hence coupongate.

At what cost to the children? If this were true - why didn't they stay in the home they just sold that had the smaller mortgage or NO mortgage and a smaller tax base?


Yes, Kate is intense, but no one knows what's really going on between them except little edited 30-60 minute excerpts.

Then why show it on television? What would be the point?


I agree with I like the show. I think if you had 8 kids and lived in the face of the show you would meltdowns as well.

Again, at what cost? This was Kon's choice - not the kids. If it is that stressful - get help or get out. Period. because it is the children who are suffering.


I think they are smart to have established everything they need for their kids at an early age.

Again, at what cost? They exploited their kids in order to "establish everything they need for their kids". What exactly have they established for the kids?

In terms of next week, its impossible to incorporate "headlines" in a pre-recorded episode. Also, I have a feeling they will discuss that Jon is feeling sad Kate is always away from home and he is "alone" raising the kids. I do not think they will get a divorce, they really do love each other.

You said it...at what cost to the children? (ref: Kate is always away from home and he is "alone" raising the kids)


And one more thing -- they are NOT a normal family. They are on television, they have 8 kids, and they have gained "fame". Of course they always have special privileges when they go on outings. It comes with the territory of being in front of a camera and getting paid for it. At least they aren't followed by paparazzi, then I think I'd be weirded out by it!


Ummmm...you are correct, they are not a 'normal family'(nobody will dispute that - and nobody ever stated they were a 'normal family') thanks to selling the kids out. How could they be?

And I respectfully ask you (this is regarding all of the comments you made)..at what cost?

jayley said...

Yes timetogokon..we're on the same page...i knew that was your point . yay

3ts said...

I noticed too that Leah seems to be "invisible" lately. I have also noticed when they have done interviews online or TV, the boys lately have been the best behaved.
I bet Hannah's migraines come from separation anxiety from her mother and dad being gone so much. Being clingy and spoiled is not a sign of "maturity" in a child.
I hope Kate doesn't blame all their problems on Jon not handling her success. It's hard to have success when she belittled him and never let him speak. Wearing/tearing a person down bit by bit is not a successful partner. They don't have anything left to say other then how they conned the public.

The Cat said...

J&K+8 reality show has sharked as far as I am concerned..they have obviously had enough of each other..exhausted the actual "reality" part of having two sets of multiples..and the new house (estate)..has made the whole thing somewhat unreal. The best thing for the Gosselins to do now is can the show and pursue individual goals..the marriage might stay together, Kate has plenty of TV experience and can write and do appearances..the kids are savy and can now do commericial and product endorsements..and Jon can find his niche also...the show content as this point has piqued.

Anonymomma said...

I think they are smart to have established everything they need for their kids at an early age.

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So when they are in college, and a dorm mate says "Oh man, yeah I remember that episode when your dad had to pull a dingleball outta your butt in the back of the van", do you think those kids will be calling home to thank Kon for securing such a fine future for them?

My mney is on them calling their therapist to vent instead. But I guess as long as Kon make sure that the therapist is financially secured it's ok.

laura weiss said...

Moons, you did a great job!

cubby1128 said...

I believe this show is all staged and scripted. It didn't start out that way but has turned in too being all about ratings. I don't believe that's next week's "Big Finale" will be anything about the rumors or their marriage. They are letting everyone believe it is something huge and it won't be. I don't believe anything about this show anymore!

Narcissism Please said...

i still have yet to see it ... and not on purpose, but thank you for the recap.

ive been searching for it on youtube all day .. as someone mentioned in another thread that they caught it there.
i cant find it, but..
i DID catch a clip of the alexis/elmo love-affair.

alexis's response to kate upon being asked if she were to marry elmo was absolutely priceless.

"mom, are you an f-ing idiot? he's a seven foot muppet .. 3 years old, or not."
or something to that extent.

loved. it.

Andi said...

Good recap!

As far as next week, I don't think it's "leading up to" anything other than them sitting and telling the world (again) how difficult it is raising 2 sets of multiples etc.....while I am sure it is stressful, I still see no excuse for the utter disrespect they show each other - Love all you want, but you need to respect your partner too. And I HATE how they throw in comments that insinuate that every couple acts like that. My parents have been happily married 28 years and I have NEVER heard them raise their voices at each other. I've been married 3 years and my husband and I have NEVER raised our voices at each other. Yes, we disagree, but we do so respectfully and work it out like two adults....not like 3 year olds. I think the sad thing is while I think Kate has always been Kate, I do think this show is destroying their marriage - I read Beth's book about them and I do think at one time they loved each other and these kids more than anything.....b/c of the show, I don't think that is the case at all anymore. Fame and Greed are destroying them.

I honestly see absolutely no problem with Cara being singled out to go skiing - I think it was obvious the last time that Mady did not enjoy it and many times has she shown she is not athletic/outdoorsy. I DO wonder if they did something special with Mady off-camera. Yes, that might be abnormally sensitive to their child's needs regarding the cameras, but I know it has been pointed out on this blog before that Mady and Cara did miss several episodes possibly in an attempt to give them some time-off. Maybe Mady told them NO cameras for her special day/trip, and they actually listened!! (Or she threw such a fit there was no way they could go against her - and even if that's the case GO MADY!!). As much as I am growing to dislike KON, I just can't fault them for the ski trip. Cara looked happier in this episode than she has in a long time.

I do think that the kids do need to get out more on their own. My best friend has triplets and it makes such a huge difference in their attitudes when they get to go out and do things on their own - and they are the same age as the 'tups. They are independent and have their own sets of friends and I think that is great. I have never seen the 'tups have any friends (being the optomist, I hope they do and the friends' parents refuse to let them be filmed.....maybe hopefully).

Tami said...

I agree with I like the show. I think if you had 8 kids and lived in the face of the show you would meltdowns as well. I think they are smart to have established everything they need for their kids at an early age.
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Then they can stop doing the show! If my kids or I had regular meltdowns like that, why would we want to be on a show all the time? Are freebies really worth all that?

Taryn said...

The excessive pandering to Hannah does get old. Mady is the one who needs one-on-one time with both parents or at least one of them. Good quality alone time. I think the arrival of 6 siblings when she was only 4 years old just overloaded her circuits. Some kids are more quiet and need peace and she might be having problems coping with the noise and chaos.

I was a kid who was a bit temperamental, and I was an only child, so maybe the multiple siblings theory doesn't hold. Anyway, I needed help in straightening myself out because not only did other people not like to be around me, I didn't like being around myself!

I still struggle with it somewhat, but I hide it so others don't know. Sometimes I think this sort of thing is just hardwired into us at birth.

Jon or Kate need to sit down and ask her what they could do for her to make her a little happier and more comfortable.

nanasez said...

I am sure the weight of sudden wealth and fame (well, semi fame, it's not like they are Brad and Angie) has really torn these two apart. They've had so many sudden lifestyle changes that I am sure there's problems.

Too bad they chose to make so many lifestyle changes and opted for a (likely unsustainable) life of keeping up with the wealthy Joneses. It didn't have to be that way.

Jon could have kept working. They didn't have to supplement their show revenues with speaking engagements all over the country. A book can be published without signing on for so many promotional events. And the money they earned from this experience could have been saved/invested for the future of their children.

Their last house was fine, and plenty big enough for their family. I have wonderful friends who reared six children in a 3 bedroom, 1 bath home (no basement, no garage, no laundry room, no deck) that was probably less than a third the size of the "shoebox" that wasn't good enough for Jon and Kate. My friends had their home paid off in fifteen years and were taking care of their family of nine (add in grandpa with Alzheimers) with no debt.

In that little house, my friend sewed most of the clothes her children wore. She cooked all the meals in a tiny 7 by 10 foot kitchen - and that wasn't the open floor space, that was the size of the room. She also took the kids to a local farm to pick fresh produce then brought it home and canned it. And they fit a piano into that home - one that all of the children learned how to play. I have never heard a cross word between husband and wife. I have never heard a raised voice with the children. All of the kids are well mannered and excellently behaved. They are mature, polite, responsible children who all started by age thirteen saving money for college from their own "jobs" (i.e. - babysitting or doing lawns). That family really lived the Christian values that Jon and Kate claim are so important to them.

Jon and Kate's children don't need an estate. They need parents who are parents, not parents who are producers and managers. IMO, their problems stem from striving for material wealth, rather than realizing that their real wealth are their eight healthy children. If family really came first, they would be as nasty to each other, nor as focused on superficial things such as marching around a photo-op of perfectly matched, designer clad, eternally stain-free children.

Gloria said...

Great recap, Moons in Leo! Another hidden talent emerges.

Fay said...

I think Jon is so unhappy always home with 8 children, no friends no family and a controlling moron for a so called wife,when he gets out alone he has no idea how to act, he is socialy inept.Kate seems to be away on business a lot,and it shows in the way the kids are behaveing.The whole family has had a Meltdown.

schneidero said...

I'm NOT a fan of either parents but I think that we are forgeting something here. All those posts about Cara looking so sad, so left out and lonely. Well, now she finaly got her share of some of the attention and everyone is complaining that Mady wasn't there as well. So what? Cara can get some special attention once in awhile too. I'm sure Madys turn is coming. Her dad spent some one on one time with the child that needs it the most. Let's be happy about that and give him a break on this one.

Laura said...

To Anonymous, who said, "They are doing this so their kids can have a financially stable future..."

Buying a mansion is not a financially stable future. In fact, some of the richest people out there don't live in mansions. Being wealthy isn't about having expensive things, it's about what your money is invested in, and making it work for you.

The Gosselins have more more than enough money to put all those kids thru any college of their choice. Instead, they buy a 1.13 million dollar home. The upkeep and maintenance for that home will extend for years beyond the show and endorsements. Given KON's impulsive nature and poor judgment calls (both rounds of fertility treatments were over the top and done very prematurely) and how immature they both seem to be, I can see them being dead broke about the time the tups finish high school.

Liz said...

Someone PLEASE cut off Kate's tanning bed membership. It is just too, too much.

we just took our kids...who are much younger than the sextuplets...to sesame street live and they had no issue paying attention. I figure the box seats were so Kate would not actually have to interact with regular people. Also, how could the kids really see anything so far up and so far away from the stage? Again, the whole trip was more about Kate and show storylines rather than doing something actually fun for the kids.

Stef said...

You know, I think what it all boils down to (and it's been said before countless times) is that the kids are all being exploited. The arguement that they're doing all this for their kids is laughable - how can they justify Kate being gone all the time with saving for their future?

I'm a SAHM to 4 little ones and gave up my career for that. My kids will have small college funds if we're lucky, and we sacrifice a lot on a daily basis for me to be home. We feel it's more important for me to be here now when the kids are young, than to stockpile money for the future. This isn't knocking families where both parents work outside of the home (it's our choice, we all do what we feel is best for our families), but I am knocking Jon and Kate for their choices. They try to come off like they're so family oriented and make their choices based on what's best for their children, but who's really buying that? I'd bet that the kids would rather have the smaller house, travel like normal familes, etc in exchange for their parent's attention. They're losing their privacy, dignity, and normal family interections all in the name of greed.

Their lives are a train wreck waiting to happen. In a few years the show will be gone and Oprah will be having a special about the screwed up lives of former reality show kids. Who cares what happens to Jon and Kate, unfortunately the kids will have to pay part of the price for their parent's choices. So sad!

Oh, and do they seriously think they're going to suck in a bigger audience next week with their hints at discord in their "happy marriage"? Do they not realize how pathetic it is that people will tune in for that reason alone? Do they not think people can check out the episode summay and realize the shows are just more of the same "look at the free stuff we got now!!"??

Its A Good Thing said...

I have been coming to this blog for awhile now and I love it but has anybody else noticed the Gosselin interest has slowed? It was normal to have a recap with 200 or more comments by this time and now there is only 67? I know my interest has dropped, Im just sick of J&K and at this point I don't really care what happens to them I just want them gone. I feel horrible for the kids but the damage is done and as awful as the show is Im not sure their life is any better when its just the kids and J&K. Im sick of watching Kate get freebies and have people stick up for her every move. She is not a nice woman, she never has been and Im afraid the kids may be better off with her galavanting to place after place. I think Kate portrayed her self as a nicer person in the beginning but when the money started to roll in she could no longer control herself and became a "money/fame whore". Jon isn't as innocent as he likes to think he is. There is no reason that he couldn't grow a spine and tell his wife to SHUT UP! Anyways enough ranting, I just think that the lower number of frequenters here is also evident in the number of viewers. I've stopped watching since reading here and I know Im not alone.

Serena said...

Its a Good Thing

The recap threads, at least in the past couple of months, generally get between 85 and 200 comments, with the average being around 150. This recap has not been up 24 hours yet, so it's on track to be within that norm.

Interestingly, our hits have skyrocketed in the past couple of months:

04/2008 - 68 hits
05/2008 - 3,046 hits
06/2008 - 29,234 hits
07/2008 - 242,916 hits
08/2008 - 362,508 hits
09/2008 - 293,587 hits
10/2008 - 365,713 hits
11/2008 - 349,447 hits
12/2008 - 334,020 hits
01/2009 - 562,724 hits
02/2009 - 650,978 hits

03/2009: 601,349 hits (first 17 days)

There are more visitors here than ever, but I think the disgust with Kon is so high that not as many of them are wishing to post comments as in the past.

Its A Good Thing said...

Serena: I should have worded my comment better. The hits are high but the comments are lower. I think people are losing interest in J&K+8 and its bound to be showing everywhere, hence the bad publicity stunts and the awful commercial "Its all been leading up to this". I think J&K are realizing that they are coming to an end and are trying to suck everything they can from the public.

I didn't mean to offend anybody, I love this site and its a great place to get all the Gosselin info without contributing to all the Gosselin crap. Keep up the great work GWOP!

First said...

Like many of you, I can't say that I am surprised that J&K are hitting a 'rough patch'. Previously they were working toward a common goal. Now that the kids are older and more independent, Kate is gone on promo tours, and Jon is Mr. Mom, their roles have changed. Also, from what the viewer can tell, they don't have a close circle of family and friends to socialize with. Personally, if my sis-in-laws emasculated my brothers they way Kate does to Jon, I wouldn't have a whole lot of respect for her. Jon just doesn't have a very assertive personality. It's not like she didn't know this going into the relationship. Kate likes being the alpha-spouse. Just my opinion...

Annie said...

I was watching toddlers in tiaras last night and something really stuck me. We all know the gosselins' youngest 6 are way to old to be in highchairs and using bibs... but I noticed a great difference in the 4 and 5 year olds on the pageant show and jon & kate. The pageant kids are so royally screwed up by their stage mom parents, yet they still have much much much greater skills and abilities and maturity levels than the sextuplets. I was amazed. The conversations, pronunciations, interactions with other people on the pageant show made the sextuplets look like 2 year olds! I wonder how their teacher views them developmentally compared to the other kids their age in the class. how sad! They need to start treating their kids like people and not babies. 5 year olds should be much more capable than their kids are.
I would love to look back at how they treated cara and maddy when they were 5... I bet it was worlds differently than the 'babies' are treated now.

SueM said...

Re: Blog visit stats:

I can only speak for myself...I have stopped watching the show all together. Haven't watched it since the "Walk in the Woods" episode. I visit this site but I don't comment as much. I am just disgusted and done with J&K. I have other things going on that need my energy and attention. I have come to terms with J&K. They are who they are...can't change it. They are more popular than ever...can't change that. I visit and lurk but I am moving on. It's becoming less and less important to me. When you stop watching, that's what happens.

I still pray for the kids all the time.

meg said...

Serena said...

There are more visitors here than ever, but I think the disgust with Kon is so high that not as many of them are wishing to post comments as in the past.
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I think another reason the amount of comments does not reflect the amount of visitors to the site is that many feel they will be verbally attacked -called a sheeple, if they post. Or rather than get in a fight, they are just here to see what all the sides think.

I think when it comes to the gosselins my opinions are pretty much down the center. I think the show will have a negative impact on at least some of the children and I think it causes a lot of stress on their marriage.
I also am happy that the children get to experience a better than average childhood, especially when they were born in a situation that would normally give them a worse than average childhood. I also could not be bothered wasting my time caring what Kate Gosselin looks like.

So all in all, I think a lot of people come here to view one extreme, and then visit fan sites to witness the other extreme, and at the end of the day don't really post on either because neither one really lines up with their views.

That's just my take on it anyway..

Patti said...

I thought Hannah throwing a fit wasn't all that strange. They were all sleeping in the car, sometimes kids wake up cranky don't they??

But I do think that they are paying attention to blogs of this nature and the negative reactions they are getting to the show as of late. The comment "that's real life" and specifically pointing out that Mady had her braces put on WITHOUT the cameras present. I guess in an attempt to stress that she does sheild them from exploitation of being filmed in every aspect of their lives.

As for the Utah trip. I thought Jon was making a fool of himself hanging around with that snowboarding "dude." If he did in fact go on the trip to bond with his daughter, why not spend time with his daughter rather than trying to keep up with/impress the "dude."

I'm sure it's sunk in to both of them (and maybe even the kids) that this fame and fortune brought on by the show hasn't exactly lended itself to family harmony. Things have obviously unravelled in the Gosselin household.

Old North State said...

I try to read as soon as a recap goes up so I can read the freshest comments. After a while, folks don't bother to read what has been posted initially and they begin pointing out the same things that had already been discussed in the first 50 posts.

SuzyQ said...

Sorry - but the commercial alluding to "it's been building up to this" is absolutely NOT going to be about the dogs leaving and is wishful thinking.

The commercial first showed Jon yelling at Kate about something and she is cringing in a very exaggerated fashion then in the next scene it shows Kate yelling at Jon about the stupid coupon.

Since Jon has done several interviews (not on the show)regarding Kate's "career taking off" and that he is now a stay at home dad - this whole "leading up to this" thing - will be all put back on Jon. How he is having trouble coping with not be the "provider" blah, blah, blah. Then they'll do a super boring couch interview about how they are going through a rough patch trying to adjust to all the book deals, free crap, television shows, free house, etc. that god has blessed them with...

Riveting television huh?

bj said...

One poster said that Jon and Kate were both yelling and she "cringed" and then another scene with Kate yelling at Jon over a coupon.

I did not hear Jon holler at Kate. He spoke in a normal tone, as I remember.

Also, whoever got that coupongate on tape should get a bonus!!
It is their marriage to a T.
I think she has to be the director of all that goes on and he didn't live up to par. Just my opinion, that's all. bj

countrymom said...

i really enjoy this show for the purpose that i dream of having a house like that and no money worries and love the kids! they are wonderful and i feel sorry that they seem to be left out most of the time! the show has become more about the parents instead of how they are raising their eight children! looking back at old episodes kate was so involved and did fun things now she is so self involved it is very sad that this has happened!
seriously does anyone know for sure what happened to beth and bob and aunt jodi?

countrymom said...

liked that jon was doing something with cara alone i think that is important! now lets see if they do it with all of the other children!
maybe build the playhouse in the yard that Mady wanted before they moved and sprinkle the wildflower seeds all over like she wanted!
also agree with the post about Hannah being spoiled she is! kate should have made her walk along with the rest of the kids!

Ana said...

I've mentioned the boob job thing this entire season. She is smaller and you are right, things are up north, more than a normal adult would be. We all have some gracity with us, even with a good bra. I think they were redone, but she paid for them herself so it was not televised.
I really think she has had just about ever plastic surgery you can have done to herself except a face lift.

2badsosad said...

SuzyQ said...
Sorry - but the commercial alluding to "it's been building up to this" is absolutely NOT going to be about the dogs leaving and is wishful thinking.

The commercial first showed Jon yelling at Kate about something and she is cringing in a very exaggerated fashion then in the next scene it shows Kate yelling at Jon about the stupid coupon.

Since Jon has done several interviews (not on the show)regarding Kate's "career taking off" and that he is now a stay at home dad - this whole "leading up to this" thing - will be all put back on Jon. How he is having trouble coping with not be the "provider" blah, blah, blah. Then they'll do a super boring couch interview about how they are going through a rough patch trying to adjust to all the book deals, free crap, television shows, free house, etc. that god has blessed them with...

Riveting television huh?

I agree with the above comment by Suzy Q. The promo of 'its been all leading up to this' will be another attempt by TLC/J & K to pull at the sympathy and heart strings of the viewers. How the very thing that 'God' has blessed J & K with is the very thing that has put stress on their marriage, has left Jon feeling less accomplished compared to his wife, and how the Gosselin family cannot go about 'living' a normal life because of constant media interferance. Which will ultimately justify season 5 ( or is it 6) of the Gosselin family spending 'quality' time as a family participating in yet another round of sponsored resort vacations, Jon pursuing his own 'identity' by purchasing a condo in Utah, book deal etc.
Riveting television indeed.

tikmetogokon said...

I also am happy that the children get to experience a better than average childhood, especially when they were born in a situation that would normally give them a worse than average childhood.
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I am not attacking you, I am not calling you a sheeple, but I respectfully and strongly disagree with this statement.

Fancy trips, VIP treatment, free clothing, etc aside, how are these kids having a better than average childhood?

All that material stuff is actually doing more damage than good, IMO. They have no idea what it means to be a kid - no friends, no outside activities, no simple pleasures of sidewalk chalk or messy freezer pops, they have a mother who is a cold, detached monster and a father who is somewhat nicer but lacks any maturity or ambition, no loving relatives, no sense of continuity or stability in their daily lives.

KON are so full of BS when they say that everything they do is for the kids. Which leads me to my next rant about the "quality time" Jon spent with Cara. It was something that cool-dude Jon loves to do, and he's just lucky that he has a child who enjoys the same activity to so it can be filmed and aired to show what a great dad he is. EVERYTHING KON do is completly disingenuous and void of any real desire to do something good for their children.

Lisa said...

Despite being attention hounds, I think that the big announcement next week, that "it's been leading to" is that they are going to stop doing the show on a weekly basis. As the kids get older, it is clear that they are pulling away and don't want to constantly be filmed. And, I think that, instead of getting the counseling they need as a couple, Jon and Kate will "blame" the discord in their marriage to the constant filming. Couple that with all of the public backlash towards them, and I think they are going to lay low for a while and maybe come out once or twice a year for update specials.

meg said...

tikmetogokon said...
I also am happy that the children get to experience a better than average childhood, especially when they were born in a situation that would normally give them a worse than average childhood.
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I am not attacking you, I am not calling you a sheeple, but I respectfully and strongly disagree with this statement.

Fancy trips, VIP treatment, free clothing, etc aside, how are these kids having a better than average childhood?

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Well thank you for not calling me a sheeple. The very first time I posted here I said that I understood why the Gosselins did something a certain way and was instantly attacked and called a sheeple. (And no I was not praising the Gosselins or worshiping the ground they walk on) So I can see why this would deter a lot of people from posting.

About the childhood thing. I can see why a lot of people would think that the lack of friends, taking unrealistic vacations and the sort is actually worse than an average childhood, but really I think how people feel about it comes down to how their own childhoods were. I definetly value learning responsibility and knowing that not everything in life will be handed to you, but they are just kids. I don't think extreme vacations at age 4 and 8 will turn them into horrible people. If they were teenagers then yeah, maybe.
I guess I'm happy for them because my childhood was very different. When I was cara and madys age I had to walk a mile and a half home, alone. My father was not in the picture and I would only see my mother for two hours a night if I was lucky, because she had to work. I had no friends outside of school because I couldn't have kids over at my one bedroom apartment with no parent home, and unlike the Gosselin children I didnt have 7 sibilings at home to play with.

Did this experience ruin me? No, the things that really molded me as a person didnt happen until I was a teenager, so seeing these kids have many things I would like to have had when I was a kid makes me happy for them.

The one thing that concerns me is how they will feel when they are older about being on tv. If you watch other shows on TLC, like the pageant shows, it seems pretty obvious if a kid minds the cameras or not. The gosselin kids don't seem to mind, but perhaps one day they will. Who knows.

Fay said...

Regarding next week's preview,Jon is on the couch stateing he is finding it hard since Kate has taken his b---s,camera scans to Kate saying They are mine all mine.lol.

Melissa P. Gentry said...

I am tired of hearing everyone say how sorry they feel for Kate because of what Jon is out and about doing or that they are having marital issues. For months and even years, Kate has been shrieking at her husband, Jon has never owned up to being the "man of the house" and therefore, all of their marital issues is justice.

NO ONE forced them to do this television show. NO ONE. It was both Jon and Kate who schemed up this plan and now that things are working out as they planned, well, lo and behold, yet again, they are scheming to see how they can use i to their advantage.

I see more "church" events in their future about how to keep their marriage alive, etc...

Trust me when I say there is nothing that these two people wouldn't do for money. Do you honestly think that after five seasons they will just up and quit and live like a normal family?

Momof2BoysinMA said...

i just stopped watching and these recaps are helping me detox!

personally, i think they've gotten in so far and don't know how to get out. if they stop now, how will they pay for the mansion, unseen nanny, the larger than life they have (or, that their children have)given them all.

its so sad, i watched for a long time, with the rumors of jon partying like an 18 year old, i searched for info and found this blog. you've helped me see Kon (love that btw) for what they are, greedy, selfish, non-parents. it breaks my heart.

also if they stop now (and Kon has said time and time again, they don't know when they will stop) WHO will pay for all the therapy for those beautiful, smart, sweet children. they truly are victims here, again, so sad.

JenTru said...

Great recap! The comment about Jon looking for his manhood was hilarious. Do we know when the new season starts? Two weeks after this one finishes? Grrrrr. Kate makes me rageful.

OhioMom53 said...

Yesterday I watched a rerun of The Gosselins buy a cow. Wow. Those two were definitely in love. They are sitting close together on the couch, Kate has just a little bit of makeup on, her eyes are bright, the same with Jon. They enjoyed themselves on the farm...What a difference in such a short time.

EnoughwithRepeats said...

"As for the Utah trip. I thought Jon was making a fool of himself hanging around with that snowboarding "dude." If he did in fact go on the trip to bond with his daughter, why not spend time with his daughter rather than trying to keep up with/impress the "dude."
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I don't blame Jon for wanting to hang with the snowboard guy and Cara. I mean he got to spend a lot of time with Cara (even during the 1/2 hour show) and so what if he wants to have some man-to-man adult interaction. He gets NONE! He doesn't have any friends or close family that we know of. All he has is Kate and the kids. Let the man have a little time with another adult male. I'm sure mentally he needs that time (we all need adult friendships and relationships).

Jon and Kate make me really mad and I am not a fan of either. However, I do not blame the man for needing adult interactions like we all do.

Lisa said...

Well personally, I didn't see anything wrong with Jon taking Cara skiing just the two of them. It seems as though none of the activities Jon has tried with the other children have really worked out. So he found one child who shares his interest in outdoor sports, that means at least he can have a good relationship with at least one of his kids.

I'm not saying he can't have a good relationship with the other 7 but lets face it, especially regarding the tups, they were way too influenced by their mother as far as her dirt and germ phobias go. Even some of the boys freak when they get dirty. How does one compete with that?

I think the "Walk in the Woods" episode for me proved that Jon and Tups have a wall between them. Not sure if it's because they've heard Mom bad mouth him so much that they don't like and want nothing to do with him. The sad thing is that he is the one who is the relatively normal parent, for what it's worth.

CC said...

I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G

Kris said...

CC said: "I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G"

She probably meant booing not mauling.

BAC said...

What has happened to 3Farmers we have not heard from her in a while. I always look for her comments and enjoy reading them.

XYZed said...

The "big" bombshell next week will likely be a dud. Since the episode follows the Utah ski trip when Jon let slip to a reporter that they had employed a Nanny, I wouldn't be surprised if the announcement relates to that. The angst on the loveseat is perhaps simply a lead-in to explain that poor Jon is now stretched so thin, what with Kate's 'career', that they needed to bring in help. The manipulation continues.

Lori In OHIO said...

I think we are leading up to a tour of the house-- bedrooms excluded of course. Since they have moved to the new digs, we have hardly caught a glimpse of the new furniture etc... The coupon fits it- because was buying a faucet or something with out one. I bet it all leads up to a "tour" and the "on the fence" comment is about arranging furniture or buying something. They can easily fit that in with the Globe Trotters fun.

Sue said...

CC said: "I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G"

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Really? Why would anyone want to "maul" them? If I had concerns about my children being mauled or harmed, we'd all just pick another activity or stay home.

pinkdiamond611 said...

These grifters haven't told the truth once. And you think they are going to reveal something "true" now. Puleeze. More manipulations. But it is NOT sweeps. Sweeps is in May. Remember they have profession P.R. people to tell them what to say to make themselves more marketable.

Anonymomma said...

I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G
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So, is this considered part of a normal childhood experience? When you go see a show and you and your family are introduced to the rest of the audience because you are just as popular as the characters on the stage?

Some of the characters are make believe. Will the kids be able to tell this difference, between themselves and a muppet?

What happens when the day comes that they have to sit in the 'auditorium' with the rest of the 'regular folk'?

2badsosad said...

CC said: "I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G"

Puuuleease! The Gosselin family have been given preferential treatment, 'back door access', and closed to the public preferential treatment since day one. IMO, Kate and her children were not given a private box at SSL to prevent fans from 'mauling' them but because Kate Gosselin demanded it and feels rightly entitled to it!! FYI, if Kate is so concerned about her children's safety and 'mauling' fans, perhaps her soon to be released picture book titled 'Eight Little Faces' wasnt such a good idea. But hey, its all about exploiting her children for $$$$$. Get a grip!

PokeyDokey said...

pinkdiamond611 said...

These grifters haven't told the truth once. And you think they are going to reveal something "true" now. Puleeze. More manipulations. But it is NOT sweeps. Sweeps is in May. Remember they have profession P.R. people to tell them what to say to make themselves more marketable.


Sweeps is actually in November, March, and May.

3ts said...

Maybe they are leading up to how hard it is on Jon not to have his career?! take off like Kate's, ugh. Of course, this is all affecting their marriage and his manhood (not Kate's fault, because she is NEVER to blame for ANYTHING, you know.)They have begged and fished around for jobs for him before, why not now? They don't seem to have much dignity or grace. While in Utah, Jon said he was working on "R&D", research and development? Maybe we are having that done on us.

Momofguys said...

The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children. How many here can truly say that? If Kate was not as regimented as she is, the entire family would be in chaos. SOMEONE has to lay down the rules. I applaud her, especially. There are people making zillions and they are nothing more than singing druggies. The money that has come thier way is well deserved. Believe it or not, there are many people out there,like myself, who love seeing a family that is doing - at least trying - to do all the right things.

ThreeFarmers said...

What on earth will the 5th season be about? The endless series of trips and outings is boring to the point of being insipid.

AnnieD said...

Can someone explain something to me? I thought they got the puppies after they moved. The TLC site has a series of pictures taken "Moving Day" and #5 is clearly the pups in the garage as they are packing. The pictures are not from their visit to say goodbye. How can that be?

No More Exploitation said...

Momofguys,

Kate would cringe, make faces and tell you and 'your guys' how gross and icky boys are. Like she does about her own three precious boys. How is that "trying to do the right things"?

Never mind how she uses all her children for every money making opportunity that comes along. Not trying to do what is best for the kids. No way!

Moons in Leo said...

Momofguys said...
The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children. How many here can truly say that?

Well, I can, for one. However, what makes you think the children are respectful or caring? My kids wouldn't have dreamt of having temper tantrums when they were two, five or eight.

Oh, and beauty has nothing to do with how a child is raised. It's genetics, pure and simple.



If Kate was not as regimented as she is, the entire family would be in chaos.

It looks to me as if the family is in total chaos.

SOMEONE has to lay down the rules. I applaud her, especially. There are people making zillions and they are nothing more than singing druggies. The money that has come thier way is well deserved.

Sorry. I don't know any 'singing druggies' who exploit their children unmercifully to make money. Bruce Springsteen, among others, has kept his kids out of the spotlight.

Believe it or not, there are many people out there,like myself, who love seeing a family that is doing - at least trying - to do all the right things.

I choose not to believe that there are people who actually believe these people are doing anything right. They are about as reliable and good-hearted as Bernie Madoff.

Moons in Leo said...

SuzanneDeAZ said...
What do you mean be the house she deservie?

Sorry you didn't pick up on my tongue firmly in cheek, Suzanne. ;)

pinkdiamond611 said...

Sorry Pokey Dokey, check your sources concerning sweeps. It is Nov. Feb. May. Not that it is such a BIG deal, but it is something since TLC decided to put in new programming for the May sweeps.

mommyof2 said...

I actually found this site because I was wondering if there was trouble in paradise between Jon and Kate. During this episode, I think it took all of Jon's strength not to blatently roll his eyes at everything Kate said. Likewise I think it took all of Kate's strength not to bash Jon even more than she was!

I, like many, thought the family was endearing with their trial and tribulations of raising 8 kids while dad was at work. But you're right--they are becoming too consumed by money and quite frankly, they are BORING!

Btw, I searched on "do jon and kate like each other anymore?" to get to this site!

PS--I'm new to this so I may have missed it--what is up with the stories of him partying with the volleyball team?

TheyareDISTURBERS said...

okay all you fans! here it is! I found the commerical we are all talking about.

watching it over and over again, its just trying to worry us..but who knows!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6vX__--Gs&feature=related

tutuhead said...

AnnieD said...
Can someone explain something to me? I thought they got the puppies after they moved. The TLC site has a series of pictures taken "Moving Day" and #5 is clearly the pups in the garage as they are packing. The pictures are not from their visit to say goodbye. How can that be?

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They are from their visit to say goodbye. "Bye Old House"
Jon is taking down the swing set in some of the pics, the kids are wearing the same clothes, they're in the kitchen coloring like in the episode, Kate is telling them to say goodbye at the end.
The puppies were in that episode too.
Did you watch the episode?

Junebug said...

My speculation is that they are reacting to the booing of them at the Globetrotters game. They will probably say that many people misunderstand them because of the way they interact on the show. And now it "has come to this" and people are starting to dislike them, and how hard it is on Jon and the kids. I don't think Kate cares what people think of her. Anyway, I hope they announce they are going on an extended hiatus with the show and spend the time getting their family back together. Just hopeful thought...

Lori In OHIO said...

These grifters haven't told the truth once. And you think they are going to reveal something "true" now. Puleeze. More manipulations. But it is NOT sweeps. Sweeps is in May. Remember they have profession P.R. people to tell them what to say to make themselves more marketable.


The sweeps are in March this year, delayed because of the digital -analog stuff. Clearly states it online.

ttimetogokon said...

IMO, Kate and her children were not given a private box at SSL to prevent fans from 'mauling' them but because Kate Gosselin demanded it and feels rightly entitled to it!

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How can that be ?! Keight didn't even know that they would be in box seats, right ?

lol- good comments.

emma said...

Moons in Leo, my apologies! I thought Fostersmom wrote the recap. I'm a little confused though. Why does it say, "fostersmom said?" If you wrote it, then shouldn't it say "moons in Leo said?"

Anyway, great job, Moons in Leo. Keep it up! We could all use a good laugh or two in these tough times :)

Concerned about the kids said...

The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children.

Their children are 8 and 4! I hardly think the votes are all in on how those children have turned out.

Jane in California said...

Lisa said...

Despite being attention hounds, I think that the big announcement next week, that "it's been leading to" is that they are going to stop doing the show on a weekly basis. As the kids get older, it is clear that they are pulling away and don't want to constantly be filmed. And, I think that, instead of getting the counseling they need as a couple, Jon and Kate will "blame" the discord in their marriage to the constant filming. Couple that with all of the public backlash towards them, and I think they are going to lay low for a while and maybe come out once or twice a year for update specials.

I hope you are correct, and that they stop the constant filming. Once or twice a year is more than plenty. Let these children be real children, without cameras following them around and bright lights in their home. And let the chips fall where they may as far as Kate & Jon's marriage -- personally I don't think they have much of a marriage at this point, but maybe it's salvagable. I just hope the children are happy.

crabbygirl said...

Kate acted surprised that she had a box. Trust me, if she paid for the tickets out of her pocket she would have known what she paid for!!

Karen0101 said...

According to Wiki---
Note: The February 2009 sweeps period was moved to March so that the ratings would not be affected by any problems created by the February 17th switchover of the USA's analog broadcast television signals to digital. When, in early February, the digital transition date was moved to June 12, the "February" sweeps period for 2009 remained in March.

I hope that puts to rest the Sweeps debate. The Hayes will have a big boost for their premiere this coming Monday because it will be tied in with the Jon and Kate Plus 8 finale. C'mon. We all know TLC knows how to play the ratings game. From a TV business perspective they have done very well for themselves.

Sharla said...

Emma and anyone else confused about who writes the recaps, the recapper's name is always in the post box on the main blog. We usually are putting in color now to help it stand out. Below that you'll see posted by. That is the mod who put up the recap as only mods and put up posts. To keep from taking up too much room on the blog, we "fold" them. Again that is done by the same mod and results in the comment part being attributed to the mod.

Jane in California said...

CC said...

I just heard from a friend who lives in PA who said she was also at the SSL when the family was there and she said this: "The Gosselins were introduced at Sesame Street & one reason they were given a private box was to prevent fans of the Gosselins from mauling them". G A G
* * *

Such nonsense! Kate really does think they are rock stars, doesn't she? First of all, the kids attending the Sesame Street show are excited to see the Sesame Street characters, not the Gosselins! *eye roll*

Secondly, the parents taking their children to the show are more interested in their own kids having fun, and probably wouldn't take much time to even notice Kate and the kids.

Kate does not like mingling with the commoners. She thinks she's a celebrity. And yet more examples of not letting her kids experience life as most other kids do -- by being part of it, not sitting away from everyone else in a box. I swear, is she so afraid of what strangers might see or hear them say?

Pauline said...

Concerned about the kids said...
The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children.

Their children are 8 and 4! I hardly think the votes are all in on how those children have turned out.

3/18/2009 4:27 PM
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I agree the kids are beautiful and respectful. They are also very smart.

NoMoreDrama said...

pinkdiamond611 said...
Sorry Pokey Dokey, check your sources concerning sweeps. It is Nov. Feb. May. Not that it is such a BIG deal, but it is something since TLC decided to put in new programming for the May sweeps.

3/18/2009 3:34 PM
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Because of the analog to digital conversion that was supposed to happen, the February sweeps were moved to March. Thus, all the TLC drama.

Maggie said...

EMMA, to answer you question, whenever one of the moderators puts up a post it will have the moderators name on it, we have to add the author's name. When a post is folded (continued) it automatically posts the moderators name at the top. We can't change it! Fostersmom did put Moons in Leo on it twice.

And while I am explaining, we cannot edit any of your comments, again that is something we have no control over. We either have to post it as is, or we have to reject it.

NatalieCool said...

hey does Julie still read here? Julie, can you tell us what's in store or happened? Did KON separate?

Jane in California said...

Momofguys said...

The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children. How many here can truly say that? If Kate was not as regimented as she is, the entire family would be in chaos. SOMEONE has to lay down the rules.
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The Gosselin children are indeed adorable, as are children everywhere, with their wonder at new things, their joy of discovery, etc. But as to respectful and caring? A little too soon to call that, since they haven't reached maturity yet. Considering all the hitting, fighting and screaming I see going on between the kids, I wouldn't say they are respectful. Certainly not to each other.

Continuing with the respectful theme, Kate is outrageously disrespectful to Jon, and to her own children. She does not model respectful behavior.

I am in the midst of raising one child. Even one is hard, so I have compassion and empathy for anyone who is raising more than one at once. I have a unique perspective in that my parents raised 8 children, and it may surprise you to learn that they didn't have to yell at each other constantly, nor completely regiment our lives, in order to be successful parents.

I would agree that having a routine is important in child rearing. Meals on a regular schedule, certain times set aside for certain activities. Children feel secure when they know what to expect most of the time.

However, flexibility is also extremely crucial to successful parenting. You have to be able to go with the flow, and you should also be aware that children's needs change as they grow older. for example, just because you want them to continue to take 4-hour naps every afternoon, children grow out of that stage. To continue to place them in their bedrooms for several hours each afternoon, because it makes your life easier, is not successful parenting. It's selfish parenting.

Kate and Jon should not be considered role models.

ConcernedMom said...

Why would they get introduced at SSL??? Isn't Kate tired of all the attention yet? Why doesn't she just want to have a nice relaxing time with her kids, no cameras, attention, etc.? (BTW - I know the answers to these questions....)

Anonymomma said...

Momofguys said...
The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children. How many here can truly say that? If Kate was not as regimented as she is, the entire family would be in chaos. SOMEONE has to lay down the rules. I applaud her, especially. There are people making zillions and they are nothing more than singing druggies. The money that has come thier way is well deserved. Believe it or not, there are many people out there,like myself, who love seeing a family that is doing - at least trying - to do all the right things.

3/18/2009 3:03 PM
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Kate and Jon haven't 'raised' any kids. You raise adults. oudon't raise kids. Unless of course, you are on the same page as K8 and think that 8 years old equals grown up.

Respectful? Really? Is that really the adjectie you choose to use in describing them?

And when you minus the countless hours of help, off and on camera, that these two con artists have receieved from day one and only in terms of physical helpers, really, how much have they 'done' exactly?

And PS, open your eye. Her family is in chaos. It has been for quite some time. When you can't even sit on the same couch as your spouse and act like a civil human being, ou have a problem. When you can't be in the room with your kid for more than five minutes without degrading them, you have a problem.

One more thing, it's not about "SOMEONE" laying down the rules. What good are the 'rules' if they are constantly inconsistant and never followed? When these so called rules change at a whim, they are no longer rules. Thats when they become abusive dialogue.

Lexie said...

Ooh!

Maybe the big announcement is about them getting a trampoline! Remember how much the kids loved that dangerous thing over at the place where they bought the puppies? And they have to buy it WITHOUT a coupon!

Yeah, totally underwhelming, but so was Kate's excitement over Jon asking her if she needed help that time. Lol.

HannaBelle Lechter said...

What career is Jon referring to when he states Kate's career has "taken off"? Author/lecturer? Come on. If it's true she's been given a talk show, I will be shocked. Talk shows take preparation, time, energy, graciousness. Really, she cannot be both a f/t mom in PA and a talk show host in LA. We'll see her priorities.

As far as the book-writing, I was under the impression that Beth Carson actually wrote the bestseller, based on Kate's reminiscences. If that's right, Kate will need another ghostwriter for additional books.

There's a video on youtube of Kate at a big book-signing (I think in Michigan) -- 1500 people showed up for autographs. Kate is interviewed by local TV there and asked if writing the book was "hard." Her eyes widen for a second and she replies, "hard? oh you mean, finding the time? Yes it was hard finding the time." She had her opportunity to admit that it wasn't hard for her because Ms Carson did the writing, but Kate is always ungracious in giving props to people in her orbit.

Grifters are a great description of this couple, imho.

Janice said...

XYZed said...
The "big" bombshell next week will likely be a dud. Since the episode follows the Utah ski trip when Jon let slip to a reporter that they had employed a Nanny, I wouldn't be surprised if the announcement relates to that. The angst on the loveseat is perhaps simply a lead-in to explain that poor Jon is now stretched so thin, what with Kate's 'career', that they needed to bring in help. The manipulation continues.

I agree totally. It will be some sort of BS damage control and nothing "big" at all. These two liars are just trying to ride their gravy train as long as they can. I hope no one is holding their breath waiting for a "big announcement". Breathe, sheeple, breathe!!!!!

Mary said...

Hi I went to TLC site and they have a bunch of vids up there. One where Kate is feeding the dogs in her words the "Dogs Kitchen"


wow

Mary

Betsy said...

My thoughts on "cliff-hanger"...barf:

1). Could the children be pulled from school to schooled at home?

or

2). Could they be adopting a child from Korea?

or

3). Could they be giving back the dogs?

or

4). Could they be quitting the show, with Kate pursuing her new "career"?

Jon and Kate SICKEN me! What a me, me, me world those two live in.

one_lovable_cutiepie said...

My 2cents on the eps. First off the ski trip. I’m glad to see Cara with her dad and ski instructor having a great time on this trip. She really deserved this trip 100%. But on the other hand Jon didn’t need to be acting like one of the bro’s. Maybe its just editing tricks of the trade but dude you’re a “dad”. The tubing on the slops was so cute Cara and Jon laughing and having fun. That was so much better than seeing him bobsledding. “ what’s next NASCAR school and just have the kids on the sidelines?”

Mady with her braces. Ok I bet you they did film this like everything else. But I bet mady had a huge melt down and Kate “ Producer” thought it was a bad choice to put in a episode. Since a lot of eps have Madys melt downs. ( just hypothetically thinking) But I bet you $ on the dollar Kate would defiantly show the tups getting braces.

Ah sesame street here we come. Kate hunny are you suffering from Jet leg? Who else do you think is going to drive? To much shofering your butt around you forgot you’re a normal person for once. Well kind of. Ah Hannah melt downs more often this is a change of pace. I guess she is the new Mady. Special treatments for Hannah again. Then the box seats wow they were pretty bad view. No wonder why the tups were not entertained at all. That was basically the nose bleed section. But personal chef in the background for the tups priceless. (gag) Kate must of wanted no one to see her and now she was there. They might of wanted a autograph yikes.. Or even speak to Mommy dearest. The queen must not be bothered by her subjects. Ah meeting the Muppets very sweet moment. Alexis moment PRICELESS.. The look the face and the reaction so funny.

Could we say ocword for the interview time.. Distance and tons of tugging the ear. Is that moriscode for HELP… or a secret love for her new bodyguard.

I see some people have been mentioning about the new look of Kate. The tanning, skunk hair, jewelry new “ rich mommy clothing” botox and boobs. ( I wonder if she still gets her cuts at Supercuts? I know they take a coupons) Who am I kidding coupons are just for Jon. Tanning Kate please lay off your dark enough. Ok what mom’s look like they are going on a cat walk or photo shoot when your taking your kids somewhere? I miss the ugly sweatshirts and yoga pants Kate wore. She must of got a personal stylist. She has mention its not one of her specialty’s. The boobs well I do remember the past eps when she got the tummy tuck and wanted her boobs done the dr just told her no. Just wear a better bra. So maybe she went to Victoria Secret and got her self some fancy helpful bra’s. Possibly she did get a boob job when she was in LA with a little botox. But they are still a little small.

Jon well I do believe he has been pushed into this to fast. I think he is acting out a lot.. Pretty much I think he is going through a midlife crises at his age. I think he was pushed into marrying Kate. Push into having kids a.s.a.p and push into doing everything KATE wants. Its Kate’s world and she gets what she wants and when she wants it. He is very immature at times and I think that’s because he was pushed into this drama so fast and doesn’t know how to relate to it.

Ah next episode. I wonder if they filmed this just a month ago when everything happened? Or is it just going to be a filler episode? Just showing past arguments how they disagree on everything bla bla bla. If they were smart they would get out of it right now to save the family and ther relationship. Well I guess we will just have to wait and see..

Sorry to long its just a big rant.. Feels good getting it all out..

Tangerine Tanya said...

Hi all,
I watched the show "Slopes,Sleds, and Sesame" just like most of you but have been away from my computer till just now. I haven't read all the comments as there are to many so forgive me if I repeat some of them.

There were so many fakey fake things Kate either said or did.

Someone to "Puppy sit" and yet had to wing it by yourself with 7 kids? Hummm

Going in the van on the wrong side?
Again hummm.

Who the h***l wears high heels to a kids program? Kate get over your self please.

I remember when Aaden and Joel were crying for their daddy and were both punished. Aaden was sent to time out and then to his bed and Joel was made to sit in time out and was told "I better not hear you breath. Yet the beloved Hannie was given special attention to her emotional outburst. Kate makes me so sick.

This woman claimed that she missed Cara so much and was soooo happy to have her "Flock" back together again is such a falsehood. Kate uses every opportunity to LEAVE them so she can be in the limelight not to mention that her multiple blessings are the ones who are making her rich and famous.

She had totally gotton way out of control.

The ONLY thing that was happy and positive about this show was seeing sweet Cara smile and smile.

AnnieD said...

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Can someone explain something to me? I thought they got the puppies after they moved. The TLC site has a series of pictures taken "Moving Day" and #5 is clearly the pups in the garage as they are packing. The pictures are not from their visit to say goodbye. How can that be?

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They are from their visit to say goodbye. "Bye Old House"
Jon is taking down the swing set in some of the pics, the kids are wearing the same clothes, they're in the kitchen coloring like in the episode, Kate is telling them to say goodbye at the end.
The puppies were in that episode too.
Did you watch the episode?

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Tutuhead, I did. It was the two big trucks that confused me. My house would fill only one, and they were there just to pick up things they had left (three months prior!). Thanks for the explanation.

The comments are so long tonight! A lot of good insight.

BAC said...

momofguys said:

Never mind how she uses all her children for every money making opportunity that comes along. Not trying to do what is best for the kids. No way!

And then the fact that all these talk show hosts like Oprah and Dr. Phil have her on the show to ask her opinion of Octomom as if she is some expert at child rearing just confirms in her mind that she is doing nothing wrong and in fact is a great mother.

Ms.Peach said...

I read a poster's comment that next week's show could end with them saying that they're not going to film as much for Season
5. This makes pretty good sense to me. The kids are in school, Kate has her "new career" and Jon has his condo. A phase out of the show would be, as Jon says, "awesome".

Lexie said...

I read a poster's comment that next week's show could end with them saying that they're not going to film as much for Season
5. This makes pretty good sense to me. The kids are in school, Kate has her "new career" and Jon has his condo. A phase out of the show would be, as Jon says, "awesome".

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That would be great (not as good as going completely off the air but a step in the right direction a well-earned break from filming for those kids)! I hope that ends up being the big announcement.

JazzyJen said...

I think they are going to say they are done after the May episodes which they are contracted to shoot. Starting in September the tups will be in school full time and the older girls also. I also think they might say something about the marriage, but very very little, as that will also be a reason to stop filming. I think they will have to say something. I am curious as to what they could possibly be filming now to show in May. I still cannot believe Kate has much market appeal anymore and I still don't understand why many people still go to see her after all of her nasty and mean spirited
episodes on TV. She is no unlikeable.

Somewhereinoh said...

IMO, 'its been all leading up to this' promo for next week's SEASON FINALE has to do with J & K being at 'odds' with respect to conflicting opinions on when to end the reality show and pursue (individually or collectively) other options that are less invasive and all consuming on the family as a whole.
The 'its been all leading up this this' will be J & K's announcement that the upcoming season MAY be their last. As others have stated, TLC is simply timing/promoting the season finale in conjunction with recent tabloid rumors to boost sweeps ratings.

Willow said...

O.K. - Here's my thought on the show. During the episode, I kept expecting Cara to seem excited, or laugh, or something. Every time they showed her up close or asked her a question, I was a little let down that she was not more talkative and/or happy-seeming. Am I wrong - is it just Cara's shy nature? I hope so. I hope she was really having fun as I have always worried about her being so quiet and sad-looking.

About the Sesame Street - I could not even concentrate really on the Kate part, as I was SO mad about the Hannah thing. What does Kate really get out of spoiling her so bad? Does she not care if her other kids resent her? I just don't understand it. I have never experienced any kind of favoritism in my family/friends, but I always assumed SOME people in the world had favorites, but knew how to keep it to themselves!!! Kate just cannot have any censorship on herself. She just HAS to rub it in all the time. The rest of her kids probably just think all families are like that (the boys probably think all moms don't like boys as well). By the same token, WHAT is her personal reward for being so hard to deal with? Its like "I can be mean to my kids if I want and they can't do anything about it cuz I'm the boss". I mean really - is her brain stuck in 8th grade? You would think that since she can afford nannies and housekeepers now, that she could actually take some time to teach her kids and guide them a little. I wonder if J&K let their kids melt down for the camera early on, trying to show their life as hectic, to reinforce their "stress", but now they have taken it too far and people are on to the fact that their kids don't need to have all that drama and now it is not working so well for them to be on the "parenting advice circuit". LOL. My personal opinion is that they could stop it if they wanted to bad enough. They are just lazy. Some kids may be harder to break from habits than others, but, in Kate's words "It can be done". LOL.

I love this site as there are so many of us here that I usually always see my thoughts written down by someone else. That is so great. The subject I have not seen yet is: What is the deal with re-runs? Do they only get residuals AFTER their show is cancelled and there are no more new ones, or are they getting them already? Just a thought ....

WE said...

Momofguys,

Kate is of a different breed. She wanted those children and she should darn well STAY AT HOME with them and not let nannies after nannies stay wtih them. Her money and new looks have way out shined her precious dumplins. Booo to KATE

jayley said...

"I usually see my thoughts written down by someone else. That is so great".

I think it's great also. Sometimes here I feel like the bee girl in that video from the 90's, finding like minded people, sorry don't remeber the name.

Tami said...

Momofguys said...
The Gosselins have raised 8 beautiful, respectful, caring children. How many here can truly say that? If Kate was not as regimented as she is, the entire family would be in chaos. SOMEONE has to lay down the rules. I applaud her, especially. There are people making zillions and they are nothing more than singing druggies. The money that has come thier way is well deserved. Believe it or not, there are many people out there,like myself, who love seeing a family that is doing - at least trying - to do all the right things.
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As to whether they are beautiful, that is subjective. What you find beautiful someone else might find just sort of cute, average, or even..well, just about anything. There is no respect in that family. None. Zero. Mady and Cara treat the little ones like crap, the parents treat all of them like crap and the little ones treat each other like crap. If you mean they respect KON, that's probably more about fear than anything. Also, they ARE in total chaos and what you see as regimented I see as cruel and controlling behavior, not to mention putting her neurotic tendencies on the kids. Finally, it is insulting to question whether others have raised beautiful, respectful and caring children. My oldest is almost out of her teens already and she is all of the above and my second oldest is also older than any of their kids, so I can say that yes, not only are my kids all of the above (and also intelligent), but I have "raised" them longer than KON have raised theirs and without helpers. What exactly are the right things they are doing? Selling out their kids?

p.s. we are not singing druggies either : )

SandyW said...

Willow your "thoughts" comment was kinda profound.

I didn't catch it though until jayley highlighted it.

I also wonder why all the marathons of reruns. It was seeing the shows back to back during a marathon that turned me against them.

SandyW said...

And just a side rant -- The Hayes Family -- love them but hated the bathroom scenes. What is up with TLC are they the Toilets Loos and Cameras Network?

And why is it always just the children that are filmed in the johns. After all after carrying all those children those moms must have some 'urgent tinkles' that had to be wiped up. Why was that off limits?

I am soooooo tired of reality shows.

KidsAreCute said...

As others have mentioned, there were obviously several other people helping Kate take the 7 children to Sesame Street. Looking at the situation from Hannah's point of view, she just woke up, and she wanted to be carried. All these adults are standing around ("doing nothing" as far as she can tell, they are just standing there holding a camera or a boom), and no one is willing to pick her up. From her point of view, I can see why she was frustrated.

Tizzie said...

Cara is good at skiing for someone that young.

With 8 kids, it will be hard finding activities that all 8 will enjoy - yet all 8 don't necessarily have to go along.

Since they've obviously got nannies, Kate should have let Mady stay at home with a nanny while the rest went to the show. She didn't have to have anything special planned - I'm sure Mady would appreciate just being at home by herself to chill out, watch a movie, read, or whatever she feels like doing.

Karma said...

I havent watched in MONTHS (but read the recaps each week), and from what I gather: A) I agree that K8 is changing her appearance b/c of insecurity - concious or othrwise - re. her marriage B) Cara went "alone" to Utah and now people have to c/o that Mady did NOT go---cant have it both ways C) I dont even know what the tups really "look like" anymore, but again, I maintain they are NOT ANY cuter than many kids out there, in fact a few of them are sort of Funny=looking IMO D) Who cares about THEIR marriage and if it "survives", did anyone stop to think maybe it "Shouldnt" in the Karmic sense of it all? SOME marriages just shouldnt be. As for the Kids, someone last wk mentioned that they seemed "Btter behaved" and Happier-acting when in the company of only ONE of the parents at any one time. SO maybe it would be better! E) Jane is highly immature but I still think he loves those kids. K8 is "ill" (sorry) and needs Help; I dont care how much her appearance Changes; maybe she is changing the OUTside b/c somewhere inside her she "knows" something is "off" and wrong about how she is on the INSide.
I wish their families would talk!

WorkInAdvertising said...

As much as I'd like them to be done with the show I really don't think that's what they're going to say. Kon is smart enough to know "out of sight - out of mind" and if they scale back the shooting her "career" may just be over. Kon's "marketing apppeal" & "career" will end with the show or it may just end with Table for 12. From what I've seen on commercials, the Hayes mom seems to be much more "relatable" to us common folk. If the sponsors read this blog (and they - or someone in marketing do read it) they will dump Kon as quickly as they can because she is not good for business. You'll notice that there is not as much "product placement" as there used to be. This is because of the letters that have been written. Yes the letters are read and the sponsors do pay attention. You just need to keep writing.

On another note, my foks raised 7 of us - all very close in age. Although we did have our fights it was nothing like we see. My folks didn't yell at each other or at us.

Moons in Leo said...

KidsAreCute said...
As others have mentioned, there were obviously several other people helping Kate take the 7 children to Sesame Street. Looking at the situation from Hannah's point of view, she just woke up, and she wanted to be carried. All these adults are standing around ("doing nothing" as far as she can tell, they are just standing there holding a camera or a boom), and no one is willing to pick her up. From her point of view, I can see why she was frustrated.

I'm sure she doesn't think the crew is doing nothing. On the other hand, I think she's quite used to seeing her mother doing nothing except running her mouth.

Life is frustrating. By the age of 5 most of us have experienced frustration. As a child I never threw a hissy fit and neither did either one of my kids (who are now adults).

You can just say nicely, "I'm sorry, Hannah, but I can't carry you now. You'll have to walk."

AnneMarie said...

"But it's Haaaannnnnie!"

Ms.Peach said...

Enough of the dressing alike! Kate is so afraid that people won't know that they are tups and twins. We know!!! It isn't cute anymore.

Mady should not have been made to go the Sesame show. The babysitter could have also watched the dogs. She's too old for Big Bird!

Jon needed a reason to get a free condo (unless that's the one that he supposedly bought so he could get away from Kate) so let's pack Cara up to go a ski vacation.

We "peoples" don't like you, Jon!

LC said...

All you ladies are being silly about Kate's breasts! Of course she didn't have a boob job, it is called a good bra! Her breasts started looking "perkier" around the same time she started dressing better. Geeze louise I'm only 17 and even I could figure that one out! :)

LC said...

Also, there is no way in hell that Kate is using any tanning bed. Remember how fair her skin is, and the fact she ONLY burns (as seen in her and Jon's trip to Florida for his 30th b-day) from the sun? She 100% is either getting spray tans, or using some sort of self tanner because if you burn outside you will burn even more with the use of a tanning bed and then she would be RED instead of ORANGE. Whatever form of sunless tanner she is using, it obviously isn't right from her. Whether she is using way too much at once or a shade too dark for her skin that is just a guessing game, but at least she isn't subjecting herself to early aging and skin cancer by using UV lights. For the record; I've been working after school and most weekends at a tanning salon for a couple of years now and consider myself pretty knowlegable on the subject.

sheeple said...

Moons in Leo said...


For those who think Kate said "real life" instead of "real love," all I can say is alrighty then. Does it really make a difference?
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I think it does matter. Live and Love are two completely separate things. You're recapping and criticizing the episode, I'd think you'd want to be as correct as possible.

Sheila said...

Back in Pennsylvania Kate feeds the dogs and tells them they're getting a dog sitter and they should pee where they're supposed to. Then she tells Mady to brush her teeth for no apparent reason and Mady of course gives her some lip. We would have been surprised if she didn't
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To be fair, I was Mady's age when I had my braces put on and was told there is no such thing as too much brushing. Maybe Mady had a piece of food caught in one of her brackets?

karen0101 said...

Moons in Leo, twice now you have stated that neither you nor your children have ever had temper tantrums or hissy fits. I'm sorry, but I find that hard to believe. They are not called the terrible 2's for nothing and it's how the parents deal with their children's hissy fits at a young age that helps them to mature and learn how to deal with disappointment and conflict properly as adults. It's an essential learning tool because life is never without disappointment. At some point all children lose their temper, often over trivial things, and there is nothing unusual about that. It's a normal part of childhood and growing up. Parents who read here shouldn't be made to feel inadequate because their kids aren't in the constant state of Zen you've pronounced your family to be in. Sorry, JMO.

Harriet said...

I can believe it. It is a bit rare, but not impossible. I knew a woman about 25 years ago who was calm through almost anything. She seemed blessed with children who inherited her disposition. I never saw or heard of any of her children having a tantrum while we were neighbors.

Our second child had ONE total tantrum in her life. It isn't a requirement of childhood. I will say that the more high strung mothers I've known have had kids much more likely to fly high emotionally and tantrum more easily plus some children seem born to have more tantrums.

AnneMarie said...

My son has thrown less than 4 pout fests in his life, and he's NEVER pitched a fit like the Gosselin 8 do! EVER !

I KNOW I threw a few in my day, my parents told me so. After a few, of what my parents called flying lessons, I learned that temper tantrums were not a way of behaving.

Different temperments, different parents, different outcomes.

Just because your kid (and that's the royal you, no one specific here, can kick hard enough to crack concrete and scream at a pitch to kill dolphins, does not mean you're a bad parent.

No one can make some one feel bad. Only you, the royal one, can make you feel bad.

Which is why nothing phases Kate.

Moons in Leo said...

Karen0101,
I'm sorry you think I'm lying, but neither my children nor I ever had a temper tantrum, and neither did their father. My daughter and I butted heads during her adolescence, but I am not referring to teenaged angst as a temper tantrum.

No, we were not in a constant state of 'zen' nor were we medicated.

Actually, I would have them come and post to tell you themselves, but you probably wouldn't believe it was them anyway.

Why r they still 2gether? said...

My firstborn had tantrums at 3-
but his were more about being tired
and overstimulated- they were never
about wanting something- I would
calm him down- but never would
have given in to him if he wanted something-
He never had any by the time he was 4.5- by then they are more a way of manipulating your parents-

Kate should not have picked up Hannah at almost 5 after having
a tantrum- especially in front of all the others- what will they think when they have a tantrum- but do not get their way!?!

Moons in Leo said...

sheeple said...
Moons in Leo said...


For those who think Kate said "real life" instead of "real love," all I can say is alrighty then. Does it really make a difference?
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I think it does matter. Live and Love are two completely separate things. You're recapping and criticizing the episode, I'd think you'd want to be as correct as possible.

I would suggest that Kate neither knows what real life or real love is. Just my opinion, of course.

karen0101 said...

Just to clear things up. It was the use of the word "never" that I found off putting. Nobody has an absolutely perfect disposition from birth and nobody can that say from the ages of 0 to death they have "never" had a hissy fit or temper tantrum or whatever you want to call it. Let's leave the use of hyperbole to Kate.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I keep on reading comments about Kate's "new career". Seriously, what is this career? I haven't seen her anyone except on tabloid shows concerning the octomom. Even Jon mentioned that Kate's career taking off in the People article.

jonandkatewho? said...

Unfortunately, they have been running repeats of this show since Monday night where I live, and I am totally sick of it.

These kids are average looking. I am not trying to be nasty, but they aren't overly blessed genetically speaking, and the older they get they seem to get more average.

They are not well behaved. Hannah's fit reminded me of all the screaming they have always done. Right now a repeat of the 4th of July episode is on, the one where Kate walks them thru the crowd saying "just ignore us, we're coming through"; those kids are howling and shrieking like wild animals. It's totally annoying!

Now that I've said that, I want to also state that this is the parents' fault. The kids haven't been taught other behaviors besides screaming and crying and hitting. Hannah should have been firmly told that Kate could not pick her up and she would have to walk. Furthermore, I would have told her that they would all go back home if she could not quiet herself.

I think these people have been cruel to these children. That still doesn't excuse them from not doing proper parenting and teaching them to not scream and yell all the time. People get annoyed with the children but it's the parents who are to blame.

It surely doesn't make for television I like to watch, and it makes me feel so sorry for those kids. They will be the ones to suffer for not having been taught how to behave.

Comparing the new episode with this older one makes me realize just how much things have changed now that Bob and Beth et al have disappeared from the picture. They actually had a picnic on this 4th of July episode at Beth and Bob's, and the family seems so isolated now in their new mansion.

I don't know what the previews for next week mean, but hazarding a guess I would say they are going to use the marriage difficulties for all they're worth in terms of "suspense" and marketing.

I would be happier if they would announce they are stopping this show to save the family, but I don't think that will happen. I also don't think Kate is going away anytime soon, I think she may just be getting a show (as much as that horrifies me) or she will keep on "writing" books (with ghost writers) and speaking publicly. How to make your marriage go away and ruin a family of 8 children. That should be her area of expertise, but even if these two have to grit their teeth to do it, I think they will carry on with the "family business" as long as they can get the mileage.

It's such a pity for those kids. I really feel for them now. I guess that's why it makes me feel slightly sick to watch, but I can't stop for some reason.

kelly s said...

If their marriage is in trouble, it was bound to happen. Their relationship is an "organic" receipe for divorce. Take 8 kids and 2 parents that, IMO, "rushed" into having kids and never spent any time getting used to marriage. Take away all their friends, family, and now no jobs, you would have no choice but to be in trouble. I am thankful for my job and my husbands job. I love my husband to death but we acknowledge that we could never be together 24 hours a day, especailly with 8 kids. They have no friends or family because Kate made it that way. I would miss my girlfriends and my parents. They are the ones the I always vent to. IMO, it would be good for them to break up. They blame their talking terrible to each on stress of the kids around, however most of the degrading and bad behavior happens when the kids arent even there.all they have is a non respect for each other. no love at all just money money money and the attitude we are better than everyone. They are all alone and miserable, and they deserve it. Money doesnt buy all happiness, you selfish ass. goodbye jon and kate, it was never that great.

Twinsmom39 said...

I have three children (16,12,12)and I am not lying when I say they NEVER pitched a fit or had a tantrum. Were they sad or upset at times? Of course, but they NEVER whined, screamed, or cried the way the Gosselins kids do. They are seriously badly behaved children.

Narcissism Please said...

FINALLY! i've seen it!

and i can't believe i thought i needed to see it!


it was every brick of boring as it was masoned to be, but i still .. STILL .. cannot get over alexis and her response to kate about marrying elmo.
BEYOND priceless.



otherwise, the recap and everyone else's comments made the episode seem as though it was actually worthy of watching. [seeing kate "sad" on the hot-seat seemed a good-get]

i didn't feel the rhythm, i didn't feel the rhyme... no need to get on up .. no bobsled time, for me .. anyway.

Moons in Leo said...

Twinsmom39 said...
I have three children (16,12,12)and I am not lying when I say they NEVER pitched a fit or had a tantrum. Were they sad or upset at times? Of course, but they NEVER whined, screamed, or cried the way the Gosselins kids do. They are seriously badly behaved children.

Thank you, Twinsmom. ;) I couldn't have said it better.
I blame it on Jon and Kate.

If you actually listen to your children you will find they do not 'act out'. Kids throw fits because they can't get an adult's attention any other way.

Also, I am sure these kids spend a great deal of the time genuinely tired, unlike their mother who seems to be exhausted just by breathing. Being dragged hither and yon is tiring for everybody.

3ts said...

Light and Fluffy- amazing how accurate that article seems to peg Kate and even the family member roles. I have often thought if the shoe were on the other foot and Jon was belittling Kate, people would not be so accepting of this show.
Jon and Kate Plus 8 should make people examine their own relationships, not condone bad behavior as some fans (Dr. Phil, Oprah) chose to do.

nomorekonartists said...

Maybe their "surprise" could be that they are going to adopt a child. You know that the sheeples would probably keep watching so they can see how Kon "does it" with 9 kids. Or maybe they are going to announce that they have decided to have all 6 of the little ones home schooled. Or maybe, just maybe, they are going to announce that Kate has decided to forgo traveling for a while to stay home with her kids. Yeah wishful thinking, right?

AnneMarie said...

OH MY HECK !! I know this was an older episode, but I somehow missed it the first go 'round, as well as it's recap. It was a 4th of July epi where they go to Beth's house, to swim, and it rains.

SHe DID NOT just leave those sleeping babies in their carseats, CLEAR AROUND the front of the house, up a flight of stairs, and from a back deck away !!!?!?!?!

Are you KIDDING ME???? First off WHY???? (well it was easier on Kate) Who in their right mind would think that was OK ??? Rainy and cooler??? She was wearing a jacket ! You'd NEVER hear them screaming over the other kids in the pool and the parents chatting and cooking. So much for safety !

ANd....OMG,....seriously ?!?!?!?

Vein..in..head...going...to ...POP!

Why r they still 2gether? said...

I think the bottom line is kids
are born with certain temperaments-
some are very calm and others
are high strung-
As parents it is our roles to even out their temperaments-
Hopefully this is done by example-
If we are calm and explain things to them- or yell and disrespect
them- we will get different results-
It's not whether our kids ever threw a fit or not- it's how we
deal with it-
Raising kids is not a competition-
Our goal is to raise healthy adults-
How will the Gosselin kids turn out?
Hopefully there won't be cameras
there for very much longer so
we will not see every painful moment of their teenagehood.

keeblerc said...

I have to admit that I scarcely watch the Gosselins anymore. However, I did see the teaser promos for the season finale and have to admit that I began wondering if they were going to be discussing what is going on in their marriage--particularly as they showed clips of Jon and Kate sniping at one another. Then the cynic in me kicked in and began to think that what others here have alluded to will be what is more likely to happen: The announcement of continuing on for another season as Jon and Kate are two people who fully comprehend the importance of keeping their "brand" functioning to continue to rake in the $$$.

Nonetheless, all I could think of when I did see parts of the skiing/Sesame Street performance episode, I was struck by the couch chat. Jon and Kate looked like they would prefer to be in anyone else's company. Their body language--again as others have pointed out--screamed that they are very uncomfortable with one another. No physical contact. No exchange of glances. And no conversation between the two of them. They just don't interact together anymore.

It really stuck out given the fact TLC has been showing the first two episodes recently and the closeness and humor captured by the cameras back then seemed very genuine. Fast forward to today and any kind of rapport just doesn't appear to be there any longer.

At this point, if they hope to recapture any kind of closeness and repair what looks to be a trainwreck of a marriage, the cameras need to go if the family has any hope of surviving IMO. They most certainly should have been able to bank some money by now and, therefore, are in a position to call it all a day. For their sakes and for their children. I think common sense would tell them 4 and 8 year olds need privacy and to begin to interact in normal ways with their parents and one another. I know the producers edit to show some of the more over the top behaviors but there is no way those children don't feel under constant scrutiny. Cameras have been part of all their lives for nearly four years now. Enough is enough.

Willow said...

Oh my goodness - I can't believe I have to write and take up for Moons in Leo and the others like me. My kids did NOT throw temper tantrums either. Not the kind Hannah has. I just said NO. I did not argue and bargain with my kids. Its all about teaching them manners and what is expected, especially away from home. I think Kate could stop it if she wanted to. I think she likes the drama. She is a true Twisted Sister.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I just hope Kate and Jon keep those kids from hurting each other. :)

P.S. Great recap Moons In Leo.!!

jonandkatewho? said...

Kate's career is as an author and speaker. We know she isn't much of a speaker and we know Beth wrote her book.

I don't think most of us would have any objection to Kate being a career woman and writing books and even doing speaking engagements if it weren't for the gross misrepresentations involved here.

Of course she doesn't like to answer questions about whether it was hard to write the book. She isn't going to talk about Beth writing it either, because how could she continue with her "career" as a writer if she confesses to not writing a word of her own book?

I almost feel sorry for her despite her money and her "fame". She isn't sane, you know. When you tell lie upon lie and your whole life is constructed of these paper-thin falsehoods, and your livelihood depends upon people believing them, what do you have? You have that proverbial "tangled web" is what you have. And hers is really tangled, folks.

People already are talking about the scams and these two know it. I think maybe the reason she looks so TIRED around her eyes and so haggard, is because it's alot of work to have to worry about keeping everything hidden so you can continue to live a lifestyle you have basically become addicted to. She is addicted to the money and the fame.

I know she is only human, but this woman is not going away. She will keep on making money with her books and speaking tours and the show as long as she can, and I'll bet she goes down fighting if she goes at all. People sometimes begin to actually believe their own lies, and that may be the case with Kate. I feel that she at the very least believes in her heart she is entitled to the fame and deserves it.

This is all aging her. I know I cannot be the only one who has noticed that this woman now looks years older than what she actually is. I truly don't understand people saying she looks good. I don't think she looks good at all; I think she looks ILL. I think it's the strain of the charade.
Her marriage is also a farce and is in deep trouble right now. Will she use it to keep her show going? I don't know but my guess would be yes. I think she is desperate.

My hope would be that some level of maturity, real and true maturity (the kind where you look at yourself and your life and make some adjustments to some things you don't like) touches this woman in such a way that she will realize what she is doing and has done to people who really and truly matter to her. Maybe it would change her. The kind of maturity I speak of isn't easy and it isn't always gentle and kind. It comes with a price sometimes, but you have to pay it and move on and do better from then on.

Before you can really be free of a burdensome conscience, you have to come clean. If you have damaged somebody else, you have to try to undo the damage or make up for it somehow. There are alot of people involved in this for Kate and Jon, and I don't necessarily mean any of us out here watching them and talking about them. Yes, they need to stop deceiving people who pay for her books and pay to hear her speak, but there are people closer to the Gosselins who matter more.

I wish maturity on these two for those 8 innocent children. I don't want to think of what their lives will be like if these two adults don't realize before it's too late that you only get the years you get, and you never know how many you will get. People are not promised forever, and you don't know how long you will have to make up for the mistakes you have made. I hope they do something before time runs out for them in one way or another.

Sorry to have run on for so long.

chipster said...

I love the show and I love Jon and the kids. I loved Kate at first but her abuse of Jon is not tolerable. She always says that her main goal is the "kids". Unfortunately her goal is Kate and has left Jon and her 8 kids to further her career leaving Jon to be the nanny.

timetogokon said...

I love the show and I love Jon and the kids. I loved Kate at first but her abuse of Jon is not tolerable. She always says that her main goal is the "kids". Unfortunately her goal is Kate and has left Jon and her 8 kids to further her career leaving Jon to be the nanny.

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Cool-dude Jane is no saint - he isn't home much more than Keight and seems eager enough to participate in the exploitation of his children for the almighty $ and a few bobsled rides in Utah.

Chipster said...

We all love this family. Kate's abuse has driven me crazy and I LOVE when Jon stands up for himself. Now it seems that Kate's "all for the kids" mantra is showing up as as all for Kate as most of us knew it was. I really hope that Jon and Kate can work things out for their family and that Kate gets on some serious medication and therapy.

Chipster said...

3ts I couldn't have said any better myself and I agree 100%.

Tracy said...

the big surprise -- yeah.. with God's help their marriage will survive. And the big news will be that they will be in Korea for a "trip.." So we'll watch 6 episodes of all of them on vacation - like in Hawaii.

We'll be "retracing" our roots, so that Jon can find himself again and our children will have a sense of identity again...

blah blah blah

AnneMarie said...

Another random thought on my part.

Part of healing and moving forward in a damaged relationship is complete and total FORGIVENESS. I'm not talking about just saying "I'm sorry" and moving on. You have to have the ability to truely forgive and FORGET. You must forgive without strings attached. You can't say you forgive someone and then spend the rest of their life rubbing their nose in it.

I am in no way saying "forget" as in turn a blind eye to crap if it happens again, but forget using past actions as a means to further the fight.

I just don't see that personality in any way shape or form with Kate.

Gigi said...

Re: the promo for next week's show that was shown at the end of this episode:

It's going to be that Kate is gone too much, leaving Jon and the kids to fend for themselves (ha!) and they're "working on it."

Mark my words.

J and K would NEVER admit on the air that there's trouble in paradise.(Paradise being, of course,the sham they call a marriage.)

Kallies said...

Having read in some of these comments about the possible booing of the family at the Globetrotters game, and I'm just assuming it was the whole family present (could be wrong), I sincerely hope, for the kids' sake, that that didn't happen. Honestly, what person boos kids? Or even the parents while they're with their kids? Even if the tups didn't understand, I'd be willing to bet Mady and Cara did, and that's got to hurt. Regardless of the parents, those kids don't deserve that. :[ That's just awful behavior.

And to add in my two cents, I'm wiling to bet the "leading up to this" thing is in reference to the end of the show. Do they have to do another season (like through contract or whatevs)?

Sue said...

"This is all aging her. I know I cannot be the only one who has noticed that this woman now looks years older than what she actually is."

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Yes, her aging is truly undeniable despite the cosmetic surgery and heavy make-up. Just a few years ago she practically looked like a teenager. I'm not sure what her age is but I have three daughters who are 35, 34 and 32 years old, all married and all with children, who look much fresher than Kate.

jayley said...

"Parents who read here shouldn't be made to feel inadequate because their kids aren't in a constant state of Zen".

Other people do not have the power to make you feel anything, THAT is within yoursef. Since when did being in a constant state of Zen become a bad thing? In my book it's just a peaceful, confident mindset. To feel and have emotions, and feelings, and setbacks, are so normal for adults and children alike. It's part of life. I'm sure we all have our own outlook on life so lets not stereotype or put people in a box.

What some might regard as Zen, others might think of as prayer. Karma/Hell.. whats the difference?

KassaMarie said...

If you actually listen to your children you will find they do not 'act out'. Kids throw fits because they can't get an adult's attention any other way.
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In some cases, yes, but consider a child who is doted on and spoiled, perhaps an only child who has his or her parents' undivided attention at all times. They may have just as many tantrums as the "neglected" child, but not because they can't get the attention any other way. Quite the opposite. They get plenty of attention, but they become so accustomed to getting their way that when the parents finally try to put their feet down, on come the waterworks and screaming and stamping until mommy and daddy finally give in.

Neither approach (showering kids with attention or paying too little attention) is good parenting, but parenting is not black and white enough that anyone (even someone who raised perfect children who never expressed human emotions) can say that all kids have tantrums for the exact same reasons. All kids are different.

Much respect to those who managed to raise children who are successfully in control of their emotions and never had tantrums (even at two?), but for the typical parent, tantrums are a fact of having children, at least during the toddler stage. We can say Kate is presenting an unrealistic view of motherhood all we want, but if we're actually arguing that only bad parents raise children who have tantrums, we're presenting the most unrealistic view of all.

jayley said...

"...real and true maturity..." [jonandkatewho? said] what an encouraging and enlightening statement. i love that!.

Tami said...

Oh my goodness - I can't believe I have to write and take up for Moons in Leo and the others like me. My kids did NOT throw temper tantrums either. Not the kind Hannah has. I just said NO. I did not argue and bargain with my kids. Its all about teaching them manners and what is expected, especially away from home.
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My kids didn't either. My now 11 year old had one once when we were going to leave after a play group. That's it, just that one time. I am always shocked when people think the Gosselin kids' behavior and the way they whine, cry, scream and hit each other multiple times a day is normal. That is not the norm for most people! But look how Kate reacted in a recent show. She was told someone was hitting and just shrugged it off and said she can't stop every fight. She is so self absorbed she does not get involved or PARENT in any situation! Oh, and let's not forget how she condoned Mady kicking Alexis because she went into her room.

Janet said...

I feel very badly for these children, and also Kate and Jon (please don't shoot me - haha). I am sure they did not start this show in the hopes that they would all be miserable. They also failed to realize how much they will exploit their story and their lives. They were so fresh to this that they had no idea. Would you? I have been in a similar situation (not relating to 8 children!), but nonetheless the same sweeping media situation; the ego boost; the money; the fame etc. I stopped it all when I realized that I wasn't performing my mandate anymore and it wasn't making me happy. I was exploiting myself and making myself sick, stressed and becoming a different person. Jon and Kate need to re-evaluate their lives and go back to basics. Perhaps the problem is, they are so far from it and with 8 little lives depending on them, that will be a very hard task. So in a way, I blame their behaviour to their children, but I can't blame them to continue on...(unfortunately)...

I also think that Jon and Kate should have never married. Their personalities are just too different. It's sad, but hey, 50% of the population made this same mistake. Let's stop judging and wait on the side line hoping that one day a smart decision will be made.

Art said...

I personally never threw a tantrum. Not a full-out, kicking and screaming, hitting and holding my breath kind of tantrum, anyway. Come on, I was a kid once. I did cry, pout, and complain. But even then I did most of that in the privacy of my own home.
Now, why wasn't I like a "normal" toddler, hitting and screaming and punching? Because my parents had the common sense and decency to put a stop to that behavior quickly. And I've been told the story on how it happened.

I have an older sister, by two years, and I used to idolize her. What she learned, I learned. When she was around four, and I was two, our parents took us to a grocery store for the weekly shopping. My sister spotted something sugary on the shelves that she wanted.

Dad said no. Mom said no. My sister kept persisting. Dad said no again. Mom said no again. My sister decided to push the boundaries and started to throw a tantrum.

Dad said if she kept that up, she was going to go to the car. Of course Sis wanted to see how much she could get away with. So, after a half a minute more of it, Dad picked her up and took the car, just like he promised he would. He put her in her car seat and let her whine and thrash about until she was finished. Mom and I finished the shopping.

Even though my sister was sullen for a while afterwards, she and I learned a big lesson that day. Whining and thrashing won't get us what we wanted.

I thank my parents for that. They were the responsible adults. Instead of just letting their kids’ behaviors go unchecked, they would find ways to put a stop to it. Sometimes it involved meeting us half way or finding ways to distract us, but more often than not, it was them putting their foot down and drawing a clear line.

Just to make sure there's no confusion, I would never call my parents hard-cases or strict. I did have a lot of freedoms, most of them earned when I proved I could handle such things, like not having a crew few when I was sixteen. Had my parents not taught me good behaviors and morals, though, I would've abused that power no doubt.

Although the Gosselins have six more children than my parents did, I do not think that's an excuse to let their kids' behaviors (or their own, for that matter) fly off the handle. When the problems of biting, hitting, and screaming first came up, they should have figured out how to stop it. Or at least curb it. If that way didn't work, then they would have to re-look at the situation and possibly have harsher punishments. Such as sending the kid to their room, not just to the corner. It might also help if the kids were able to actually talk to their parents and, you know, have a conversation that wasn’t made just for the cameras.

Oh, yeah, and being consistent with the punishment would help, too. Even with my good behavior, I was still grounded more than once. A lot more than once.

Jon and Kate Gosselin have given up on parenting, it seems. Jon doesn’t care, Kate doesn’t care, just so long as their children remain marketable. I can already see the problems these kids are going to have in the future. Forget the fact that they’ve been taped pooping and showering and other things that will be embarrassing when they’re older. Forget that they will probably never escape their forced fame. Think about the behavior problems these kids will have from their “parents.”

My favorite quote: “Birthing a child does not make you a parent. Raising that child, caring and loving for that child, disciplining and teaching that child, do your jobs as a parent makes you a parent.”

bflohockeygirl said...

Art said...
Although the Gosselins have six more children than my parents did, I do not think that's an excuse to let their kids' behaviors (or their own, for that matter) fly off the handle. When the problems of biting, hitting, and screaming first came up, they should have figured out how to stop it. Or at least curb it.


At the end of the day, it would have been LESS work with that many kids to just nip the crappy behaviour in the bud. A lot of people seem to excuse the whole thing because "OMG they have 8 kids!!! Of course they're not going to be on top of all of them all the time!!!" but the reality is that they've created more work for themselves by allowing the behaviour to continue. Instead of having to contend with it only for as long as it took the kids to understand it's unacceptable (and a few slips here & there after that), they have to contend with it all the time.

Moons in Leo said...

KassaMarie, I was an only child and I was loved greatly. I received many material things, but I was never spoiled because I had a sense of thankfulness, not entitlement.

I tried to raise my children the same way. I believe I've been successful as they are now happy, healthy productive members of society.

Art, well said.

Parenthood has to be a 'top to bottom' undertaking. If you are too lazy or preoccupied to guide your children, you have no right having them IMO.

You are so right about birthing. Whenever I hear a mother-to-be complain about pregnancy I always say, "And this is the easy part!" ;)

Anonymomma said...

Moons, unfortunately Kate and her supporters feel that taking a child from infancy to eight years old is to be considered having had raised them. While pregnant with my second and third, I once made a comment about parenting along the lines of "until they hit 18 years of age", and my MIL quickly (and accurately!) corrected me, when she said it never ends. You never stop being a parent, no matter what age your child is.

So very true.

Too bad Kate gave up so early on in the game.

3ts said...

Hannah misses out on a lot because she picks up on her mother's fears such as heights (the lighthouse) or ice-skating. Favoring Hannah is not doing her any favors either. My brother was favored when he was little (first boy born after a death of an only son), he threw tantrums..we kids had to "give" in to him per Mom and Dad. And when Mom went back to work, (think Kate) my brother had to go into the hospital for tests for stomach pains. The doctor said he thought it was from stress caused by separation anxiety from Mom going back to work. Remember Hannah on the confessional couch? Kate stated she was having anxieties and I wonder if stress isn't causing her headaches. They should be encouraging her try to new things also, not picking up Kate's phobias. (Mady picks up these too.)
Hannah is not mature, she is clingy and dependent. Kate confuses this with loving her and wanting to be like her.

anon1967 said...

And one more thing -- they are NOT a normal family. They are on television, they have 8 kids, and they have gained "fame".
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They (KON) didn't gain fame, they sold their children's childhoods for it.

Tini T said...

AnnaMarie,

Not to mention that Cara,Mady and Talia were allowed to swim while it was raining.

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