Free Discussion 3/6 - 3/13

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IAmNew said...

I was fascinated the other night watching a rerun of the Duggars host another large family. When going on an outing, the Duggars did everything the Gosselins did but on a larger scale, obviously. It was so refreshing to see a mother and father scramble around, getting the kids ready and organzing different trips and outings - with houseguests no less - but not yelling, belittling, nagging, humiliating one another, like they do on J&K+8. It was nice to see even the little kids helping out, and working as a team, instead of being expected to entertain themselves alone while dad did everything and mom complained the dad wasn't doing anything right, like on J&K+8. It was nice to see a large family extend themselves to another large family, offering whatever they could to their houseguests so they would be as comfortable as possible, with almost no complaints and no regard for how the mother was stressed and frustrated and exausted, as on J&K+8. And it was most refreshing to see the family practice what they preach, like praying together, speaking kindly to one another, and loving one another, unlike J&K+8. If the Duggars can be caught doing things like praying and being nice, how come the Gosselins can't be caught doing the same thing yet they claim they are Christians and get paid by churches b/c they are Christians?

IAmNew said...

I think Kate should change her name to "Take".

Crystal said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?

For me the last time I could no longer watch this show was the Beach trip episode. My dislike for J&K started with the Utah trip.

JJ said...

Not trying to step on anyone's toes, but has GWoP ever considered moving to a forum instead of a blog?

It would be a lot easier for discussion, as we could quote each other with more ease and follow threads easier.

This blog seems to have gone beyond just the purpose of exposing information, it's like a community now. It would be really efficiant for it to be in forum-format, IMO :)

More on topic, I can't even watch the show anymore. Reruns make me sad to see how it used to be when they were semi-tolerable; the new eps just disgust me.

Please, take the show off the air. It's painful.

roy said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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Gumgate...and it was over for me.

JJ said...

Crystal, for me it started when the rumors of Aunt Jodi started floating around. That's when I became an avid reader here.

Then I thought, maybe I was being a psycho hater just because I was being influenced by this blog. So I kept watching, though things were fishy.

I got sick of everything when episodes got extremely boring, IE teeth whitening, hair transplants (I watched the show for the kids, not the parents self-indulgance!) and horribly "set up" situations and vacations. Hawaii was the first episode I allowed myself to miss because I had ZERO interest in yet another free trip for such a silly and manufactured reason.

I became even more fed up at the baseball episode. Insane "celebrity" treatment with the box, free merch, meeting the players. I would have rather seen the kids down in the seats, watching everything the way 'normal' people do, Jon having to ration what merchandise they got, and having the kids go home and talk about what a great day they had. Not watching them roll around bored on the floor of a box, meeting the higher-ups who made it happen, and overall looking pretty bored, etc.

I still watch occasionally, because I do like to be able to follow things on here and judge for myself if something Kate did was really horrendously horrendous, or if I thought people were overreacting (which I think sometimes.) For me, the truest and worst episode was the walk in the woods, and I don't think I would have believed anyone on here when they were talking about how bad it was unless I saw it myself.

In print, those things don't look THAT bad and it can be seen as biased opinion. (It's kind of like reading American Idol recaps. Why would I believe you if you kept inforcing that so-and-so was SO BAD last night?) But that episode was truly awful and I'm glad I saw it so I could make up my own mind on the matter.

As a final nail-driver, the new house, and one final smack across the face, the puppies. The house is absolutely ridiculous and shark-jumping for me, and the dogs are complete overkill.

doubleD said...

Yesterday I had to take my dog for a walk because my husband was working late (Usually he walks the dog). I had to bring both kids with me (6 and 4). We have a big dog so it can be kind of a pain for all of us to go--but we managed. While we were walking, I thought about the comments regarding the Walk in the Woods episode. While we were walking both kids were exploring and looking at leaves and pinecones and picking things up and sticking rocks in their pocket to bring home. My older son wanted to bring his pinecone to school to show his friends.

It was a nice walk and the kids were doing this stuff without prompting from me. Why? Because it's in kids nature to be explorers, especially at that age! It makes me sad for the Gosselin kids that their parents are so self absorbed that they can't be bothered to nurture their children and let them be the inquisitive, exploring, mess making people they are supposed to be at this age.

Sad said...

The nail in the coffin for me was the "embarrassing moments" show.. I had too been irritated by "gum-gate" and the MANY MANY free vacations, but the embarrassing moments show made me gringe. Not that Jon Gosselin is a Saint, but every single thing was his fault in that episode. If it were something embarrassing he'd said, it didn't matter that Kate had been a real pill leading up to it... it was HIS fault. Then if it were something Kate did that was embarrassing, he got ALL THE BLAME. He should have helped her more, he should have seen she was getting tense and asked her "how can I help you?"... she never said what she should have said... "Yep, that was a silly moment and you caught me making a mistake. I should have been more patient/flexible/kind.... sometimes it's hard to do that for us moms." and we all would have loved her for it. You can't blame people for EVERY mistake you make. At some point you have to grow up and accept responsibility.

gameover said...

Believe it or not, it was when they went to buy the cow. She was going on and on about how macaroons are healthy for you because they are organic.
I thought to myself, the woman is clueless!

Done With J&K said...

For me, I started really pulling back with the 2 week beach vacation in NC (or was it SC?). But I continued to watch. Then, the HI vacation/vow renewal made me down right ill. But I continued to watch. After the new McMansion aquisition, I took it off my DVR list. But I FULLY quit after the puppies episode. I have a wonderful husband, 2 great kids,a super life, but.........I'm a serious dog person. I feel placing those dogs into that horrible, chaotic home was WRONG.

But, I really, really LOVE the GWOP community, and will conitnue to come here. Oh, I will definately read the tell all books in a few years that I am sure will come out!

NMArvada said...

Interestingly, I found this blog about the time that the show was on with the Gum. I thought Kate acted like such a jerk. However, since reading this blog regularly, I have come to like the family better and actually feel sorry for them in some ways. I think there are some unintended consequences to all of the hours spent slamming these people and exaggerating the bad behavior.

Mostly a Lurker said...

When Kate had the nerve to ask the plastic surgeon for a boob job I couldn't believe it. I mean, come on! The doctor was nice enough to give her a tummy tuck and she asks for more free cosmetic surgery?? I was disgusted.

Anyone wonder if Kate will cancel upcoming speaking events in light of the events in the media?

Missy said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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For me it was the Good Housekeeping photo shoot episode. I was finally tired of hearing Kate complain about all the attention that she seems to love so much. I just thought to myself - what a fake. To me, it just got worse after that.

Slightly off topic, I was also disappointed that during their home remodel, the Roloffs seemed to have some extra product placement for Home Depot. I was really hoping they would not follow down the same path as Jon & Kate. Thankfully, they have not taken it to the Gosselin extreme!

Virginia said...

The Utah trip nailed the coffin shut, never to be reopened, on this show for me.

ColetteNicole said...

I removed J&K+8 from my DVR list after the Utah trip. I caught it off and on until the "It's a Beautiful Life" commercials started airing. Now I avoid TLC in general...

sana said...

Well, to start out with, I never watched this show before January 09. All four of us (hubby, me and two kids) were laid up with a stomach virus and the flue. So, there was nothing else to do & TLC had a marathon on of this show. We sat down and started watching - out of boredom - and got sucked in. We really liked them and the kids. (These were older episodes.) Then, I DVR'd the show and I'd watch every now and then. My 18-month old loved watching it, because of kids, I think.

Anyway... then the gum episode happened. I turned to my husband and I was like, "What? Is she really doing this? If I were Aunt Jodi, I'd kick her to the curb and never baby-sit again!" The episodes after that seemed to get progressively worse -- Kate was a shrew, Jon was whiny. Kate complained about stuff that were problems she was creating for herself.

We also started noticing all the free stuff (the Disney World episode and baseball game episode REALLY turned me off) and we were like, "Huh? Their life isn't hard AT ALL!" Then, we saw an episode where Mady had to get her teeth fixed and I watched Kate go on and on about how Mady's teeth are horrible & how Mady's smile is demented (or something like that). It reminded me of an episode where they said that Mady hit her siblings and then when she saw it on TV, she felt bad. Which made me realize that Mady was going to WATCH her mom say that nasty stuff about her smile!

OMG, my heart broke for that little girl. Not to mention (as my hubby and I discussed at length) that as soon as Mady/Kara were old enough to realize they were being filmed & felt the need to modify their behaviour because of it, it is not no longer good parenting to film those children. No privacy - EVER. It's just not right! And you can see it taking it's toll on Mady in her attitude and demeanor.

Anyway - at one point, I realized that I missed Aunt Jodi & I wondered where she went. I googled her name and I found all this stuff (although Aunt Jodi's sister's blog has been pretty much deleted now) and found this site. That cinched it for me. I realized that my misgivings and my disgust was well-founded. Immediately deleted the season pass and have not watched even one episode since.

Aim said...

I am pretty new too. I came across this trying to find some info on octomom.

I would love it if someone could fill me in on "gumgate" If there is a link to it and what episode it was so I can read the recap. I can only imagine what it entails.

Thanks- Amie

Shannon said...

I began to lose interest in the early seasons when they traipsed ALL the kids everywhere. So unrealistic!!! The furniture shopping was ridiculous. I have two older boys followed by twin boys, and I would NEVER take them shopping with me for furniture. Jon was stuck chasing everyone around and the kids were destroying the store, while Kate picked out everything. She could have done that on-line for pete's sake. The ski trip was the last straw. She had the nerve to say "if we can do it anyone can". She did nothing the whole time. My husband said to the TV....who is going to pay for our ski trip and plane tickets? I am proud to say, we have taken all our kids skiing by ourselves. (no we did not fly, we drove) The older two can do it themselves, and we each ski with a twin between our legs.
Let's see Kate do THAT! THAT is reality, not one parent sitting in a spa receiving free treatments.

Jeremy said...

I watched this show once and was immediately turned off by it. Kate was a complete b#tch to Jon the entire episode. I just read the article in Philadelphia Magazine about the "real" story behind Jon and Kate. The fact that they ask for money to speak at a church is pathetic. Even more pathetic is the fact that they have a basket passed for a "love offering" for the family. Are you kidding me? They get everything for free and then ask people for money at a church service? Ridiculous.

Wendy Bird said...

I am wondering how many Canadians and Europeans post on this site. I have noticed that many posters spell behavior, "behaviour." This a word that is used often on this site and it stands out to me whenever I read it.

watcherandreader said...

I believe that TLC is using families as one big commercial. These families are given trips and stuff just to promote these places and things for the sake of our "entertainment". If we really want to stop this form of entertainment, we would need to boycott both TLC and all of the products and places used on these shows. I'm not so sure how "used and exploited" these families know they are by the companies and TLC. However, some may know, don't care, and just want the freebies.

PhillyHockeyMom said...

Count me in as being out after the Utah trip. Didn't they drive to Disney World because she didn't want to fly because it would present all types of problems? Then, off to Utah they fly. I guess Disney World was only putting out for the rooms, food and passes and not the airfare so they drove and than made a better bargain with the Utah people.

After I saw all the free coats, ski outfits, airfare for 12 people, the van w/car seats, the condo, the ski lessons and ski/boot rental, the sleigh ride and dinner and of course the spa treatsments for Beth and Kate.....just way off the chain! Kate says people offer it for the free advertisment but other than Parke City Utah and Southwest airlines, I couldn't tell you the name of the resort or the mountain top lodge etc etc.

The next time the flew I saw they ere in first class. WTF?

In the beginning I didn't begrudge them trips to the zoo, some amusement parks etc etc because I have know people to get comps to these places, but not total vacations with all the trimmings.

It's cool to see when J&K have "Jumped the Shark" in peoples minds!

RuthinVA said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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The gum episode. I could not believe Kate had no more control over her actions than she did. I could not believe she could talk about a family member that had sacrificed for her like she did. I could not believe she could find enjoyment in antagonizing her own child over s stuffed/blanket. I could not believe Mady a child was the voice of reason. As a matter of fact I immediately went to their website and gave her a piece of my mind, my e-mail came back, mailbox was full.
I would not act like she did if I was not being taped. It was way over the top. Sane people just don't act that way.

nana2twins said...

the nail in the coffin for me and first red flag warning was the episode about "the bunkbeds" as she sat on her butt obsessing over beds while her child was in pain and looking to her for some help and comfort, but the beds were more important! it made me sick... it showed her true colors as far as her children are concerned.. and her claiming to be a nurse! i would have her thrown out of any room i had a loved one in... signed nana2twins

Moons in Leo said...

The last episode I watched was the July 4th 'celebration' ~ and I use the word loosely.

I probably to this day haven't seen all the episodes and I know some I have seen have been further edited since their initial airing.

Midwest Mom (the real one) said...

So many nails, so many coffins:

1. Bed shopping, Collin is crying from constipation....Kate continues to look at the furniture catalog.

2. Utah plane ride...she has a nervous breakdown after a flight delay, because in her vivid imagination, "there is no where for us to go, there are too many of us". (uh huh, right, Kate, you've never heard of a hotel ?).

btw, the look on Beth's face during Kate's breakdown was priceless.

3. Disney World...she freaks out because one of the girl tups got ice cream on her shirt.

4. Toys R Us.....HELLOOOOOOO? (need I say more?). "I don't notice other people".

5. Knob-came-off-the-dresser episode. She shrieks at the boys. They look at her like she's crazy.

6. Boy tup left by himself, obviously very ill, on the floor of the laundry room. (what if he had aspirated on his vomit?).

7. Collin left on the potty in the bedroom, light is turned out, and he's told "stay there until you put some pee in the potty".

8. Christmas episode....Kate talks about their Christmas morning and says, "It was JUST US and it was NICE". (good going there, Kate, nice to know the kids will never have a relationship with their extended families).

Ahh....I think I'll go vomit now.

3.

Tami said...

I am just sick..I just watched the tummy tuck episode. I had never seen it. First of all, I hate how it was set up like some important documentary with that woman's voiceover and how she was so sympathetic sounding toward Kate. Barf. But what killed me other than her utter whininess was how when she got home she went straight to Hannah in the crib and just fawned all over her saying she never wants to leave her again. She eventually went to the others but it was SO forced. You could tell she was well aware of the cameras (even peeking around to see if they were on her) and only reacted to the other kids because it was expected. She pretty much blew Aaden off. The way she treated the other kids was not at all like she did Hannah. And this is the episode sheeple often reference to say look how much she loves her kids and her kids love her. Those poor kids! She tried to get away without kissing the others, you could tell. THEN she and Jon were seen fawning over Hannah yet again! What a disgusting person right from the start. At the end she says they are going to give their kids so much---NOT material things but the important things! Liar!

Onomatopoeia said...

Crystal said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?


The beginning of the end for me was WAY, WAY back when they were carving pumpkins for Halloween. Fruit-Kate started flipping out and needed to clean off the table right then and there, even though no one was finished. At that moment, I knew I would never feel the same way about the show as I had when I first saw it. And I never did. Thank goodness you guys keep me updated with your hilarious recaps!! Each and every one I read is proof-positive that I'm not missing a freakin' thing!!

Tami said...

The Duggars and the little people are not the Gosselins. The comparisons go on and on but I just don't get it. Especially the comparison to LPBW. That show is about how the PARENTS as little people cope. They have older kids, not toddlers, and the kids have not been filmed since infancy. The show focuses on the older people for the most part. There is not a show simply because they had a bunch of kids at once. They are not phonies or beggars or frauds. I would be insulted to continue to be compared to KON. Oh, and the parents did not become little people by some trickery as Kate probably did become pregnant with multiples that way from everything in her history.

armywife said...

'I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?"

For me personally, it was the Jon gets hair transplants episode. Not only did I find it appauling and ridiculous that TLC would think that viewers would be remotely interested in an hour long episode that focused on the status of Jon's receeding hair line, but the blatant use of child exploitation as the quid pro quo terms and conditions that provided Jon Gosselin with such a self serving and vanity fueled procedure as hair transplants!

Stefanie said...

There are so many episodes that threw me over the edge and made me not want to watch this show. To name a few:

-Utah skiing episode and Kate being such a monster about going out in the cold

-Hawaii renewing vows-and how superficial Kate was

-Hair transplant

-The last and final straw was the visit to the hospital this season. Kate found a way to make everything all about her, and it just wasn't right.

Why r they still 2 gether? said...

Canadian ex fan here!
Her behaviour during the gumgate
episode was colourful! EH?
Oh sorry- I meant don't you agree?!?

BoyMomInTX said...

I had been dreading new episodes for awhile, but cupcake gate was the final straw for me. If Kate had been standing in front of me, I'd have shoved that cupcake in her face and let the boys have the damn cupcakes-birthday or not. The other kids shouldn't get them in front of the ones who didn't, even though NONE of them ate all their dinner.

Tami said...

nail in coffin: every episode where they went somewhere to do crafts and she refused to let them use crayons or markers because of stains, and she refused to let them go in the backyard or in any grass because of stains--and they were wearing black pants! Geez. All she cares about is herself and she has never heard of washing things..or having play clothes that you do not plan to consign even though they were free clothes. That and the cupcakes where she was bitchy and complaining the whole time and still did not let them eat it. Really all the episodes ever..

Chris said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
-----------------------------------For me it was when they went to North Carolina and set up the real estate ladies by looking at properties with absolutely no intention of buying anything.

jill said...

Maybe teeth whitening episode...at that point I knew it had gone too far!

WorkerBee said...

If you go to the TLC website, click on their show link, then click on the 'watch the episodes' link. They have some full episodes and some shorter clips of different shows. Under the shorter clip on if you scroll thru their is one titled 'Celebrity'. OMG, you've gotta watch that! It's when J&K went shopping and they met some little girl who was a HUGE fan and she was so happy to see them & talk to them and Kate signs an autograph for her and the girls mom asks for a picture...Lordy be! You'd think the mom asked for a kidney or something. Kate looks at the lady for a minutes and hedges and finally says (after a body heave) 'I guess'. OMG. You can just see how conceided this woman is, her body language and demeanor towards this little girl. *rolleyes*

Scruffy's Mom said...

OK, I missed it. How do we know for sure that Keight got a boob job?

Scruffy's Mom said...

What lost it for me was when I started noticing that businesses/attractions were closing down for the day so the Gosselins could visit on their special days for each kid.

Arabella said...

Count me in on never really seeing kate be this LOVING, WONDERFUL, QUIRKY mom. Granted I didn't see the full-on shallowness, anger and just straight up coldness I see now but I never really thought OMG she's just really great! If anything in the beginning I felt for jon and did see him as being trapped with her but in time I wised up and saw he was just more of a snake in the grass.

My very first impression of her was Wow she's got all those kids and hasn't lost her mind. But I did think she was extra shrill always. First episode I ever saw was the 4th of July ep. when they went back to jon's hometown. I couldn't believe how slim kate was after having 8 kids (didn't know about the free tummy tuck) and actually liked she didn't "baby" them so much as in not putting them in strollers. I've been around lots of women where the kids are babied up and down until late grade school. I also liked that she did up the kids hair and such and made them look cute. Again around people who are too lazy to dress their kids and let them just do whatever. Plus the kids were so cute and just seemed normal.

First thing that caught me was her bitchiness getting them ready. I remember her fixing one girl's hair the yelling out into the garage about "bring me my kids back!!". But then I tossed it off as she's stressed, bad day what have you. But then as the ep. went on and especially when they plopped down to eat their food her whole attitude turned me off. Just kind of bitchy and condescending and I didn't understand why the kids ate little sandwiches and chips while kate and jon scarfed down their tasty treats. Again I'm not a mom so figured for health reasons. Then next ep. I caught was finding the housekeeper and right then I thought "god she's a pill" when she was aloof during the interviews with them and again seemed like such a bitch. Since then it's just gotten worse.

Also chiming in on all the hit lists of crap she's done to the kids. Makes it all the worse when you realized someone with a camera was a few feet away filming it. Like when she left collin on the potty in the dark room by the door, the camera guy was on the other side of the room filming it. That just really sets me off and gives me chills.

Also noticed in an ep. from a few days ago, when her "helpers" come in to watch her kids she barely acknowledges them. This last one I think that Carla's daughter was coming in and kate is in the kitchen barely even looks her way, doesn't speak, no "hi" just on with doing her stuff.

PAmama said...

i live in central pa so around here we are privy to the annoying family.

1. they didn't buy the house, it was put into "a trust" for them from one of kate's former coworkers. don't let them fool you thinking they paid for something.

2. the reason kate's parents aren't around, is because *gasp* they feel jon and kate are exploiting the children by putting them on tv.

3. she's a horrible shrew of a woman that seriously doesn't deserve anything she has gotten.

4. on a previous blog, someone mentioned the playset they are on in the commercial. it's not their new playset, it's actually a playground in Hershey, PA called Cocoa castle.

Sandy Eggo said...

Last straw - when they were at what is the happiest place on Earth, Disney World, and Kate was having a fit and screaming about melting ice cream.

konspiracytheory said...

Mostly a Lurker said:

"When Kate had the nerve to ask the plastic surgeon for a boob job I couldn't believe it. I mean, come on! The doctor was nice enough to give her a tummy tuck and she asks for more free cosmetic surgery?? I was disgusted."
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Me too! I remember cringing with embarassment *for* her and thinking, "did she really just ask him for more *free* plastic surgery?". I don't think the show 'changed her' as some have stated -she was greedy from the get-go.

Lexie said...

I think cupcake-gate was the nail-in-the-coffin episode for me. The whole thing was horrendously horrendous. It started out bad, with Kate being totally rude to the nice cupcake store people (and whining about not getting to sit with "her" kids: Leah, Hannah and I think Aaden)and then just got worse from there. Hannah getting her cupcake even though she ate less than the boys for dinner was ridiculous. I felt so bad for Aeden, Joel and Collin when they had to sit and watch their sisters eat their BIRTHDAY cupcakes and they got nothing. On top of that, I think the whole idea of driving like 70 miles or whatever to decorate some cupcakes is kind of dumb. Who in real like does that?

UniStudent said...

Wendy Bird said...
I am wondering how many Canadians and Europeans post on this site. I have noticed that many posters spell behavior, "behaviour." This a word that is used often on this site and it stands out to me whenever I read it.

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I'm Canadian! We have TLC here with the same lineup as in the states, so we get the same amount of KON as you do!
Being a student I didn't have cable for awhile, but this past summer I did and that's when I first caught this show. I was horrified from the get go, and found this site when I was actually googling how much money they make per episode! It was just such a bizarre thing to watch, these children who were just fodder for entertainment. I just can't wait til this show is cancelled, and I only hope for some form of justice for the children, hopefully in the form of better laws to protect children on television shows.

mollybloom said...

It's so hard to pick one worst moment in this show. Death by a thousand small cuts is more like it.

mrspopo said...

One of the first moments that really bothered me was the Christmas episode. They tell us that fans wrote them and wanted to send gifts for the kids... who are they to say no? That's just wrong.

Furniture shopping with constipated kids was a real bother for me.

When I saw the embarassing moments show, that was the one that I had to search online... there had to be other people that felt the same as me. Low and behold there was GWOP.

I have a videocard in my computer so ratings aren't counted and I record the shows to satisfy the curiosity and desire to see the kids. I'll keep watching.

Katie said...

When rumblings and whispers about Aunt Jodi started was when I first paused and took a bit of a closer look. Then I started noticing how everywhere they went they got private tours and private access. "HELLLOOOOOO?!" What happened to not wanting special treatment and people to realize you're normal, KON? Normal people don't go to Gymboree for free on a day that it is normally closed. The cupcake episode really got to me, but the final straw was the beach/4th of July episodes. My mom, who never watched before sat there and watched them with me. When they were over she said that Kate was such a bitch and a lazy person. It just clicked for me at that point and I can't stand to see them now, but I haven't been able to stop watching yet.

talklesssaymore said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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I never once turned on another episode after the gumgate episode. It wasn't because of the awful treatment of Aunt Jodi, it was the image of Kate screaming right into Joel's crying face and threatening to throw away a bear that is probably a security item (god knows the children need that) over a little spot of gum.

I had a horrible mother growing up, like everything that she could do to create stress and complexes in me- she did. But even she understood my need to have a security bear (that still sits in my bedroom on a dresser even now, and I'm in my late 20s and engaged), and would NEVER have done such a thing. When I was 14 a hotel we were in rolled him up in the sheets and she had the entire hotel turned upside down to find the poor old ratty thing.

When even my mother has the heart and compassion to do that it really hit home how terrible Kate is.

XYZed said...

I'm a Canadian too and have watched the show via cable.

Like most people posting here, I watched the show frequently because the kids are adorable. After a while, it became pretty obvious that Cara and Maddie were essentially being treated like outsiders in their own family - that's when I became uncomfortable with the show.

It all fell apart for me while watching the yard sale episode - Kate's constant need to be the centre of attention was so distasteful that I no longer watch.

I wish the children well (all eight of them) - they remain precious - but observing Jon and Kate's general dreary and ungrateful state no matter how much is thrown their way started to chip away at my soul.

I love my son! said...

Onomatopoeia said...

"Fruit-Kate"
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You came up with the best name for her ever!

MichelleS said...

I was blown away after watching a rerun episode yesterday "potty trainin" . Kate has always been Kate, snippy and what not. But watching that one not only did she look better but her overall tone was almost normal, at least compared to how she is now. She seemed a bit softer, caring, which she isnt now.
It was the old Kate. The one i liked in the beginning. There was Aunt Jodi caring for most of the Gosselin kids while Kate took a couple of her kids to the eye doctor. Jodi was saying how she takes the kids each morning to help Kate out, other than the Fridays she used to watch them. Even Kate seemed somewhat appreciative that Jodi watched them, fed them lunch and brought the kids back home.
You watch Aunt Jodi and are filled with warmth at her demeanor to Gosselin kids:praising,hugging,playing, rewarding them and giving to them what any parent should with a child. She is just so soft spoken. Jodi makes me want to be a better mom!
But wow, how the times have changed from where Kate was to how Kate is now. No words...

3ts said...

I think on the Utah plane trip (when Kate started crying and said there wasn't anyplace big enough to put the 10 of them), she was wanting to moved to first class seats as it appeared they were in coach. Kate acts like if they have the more expensive, larger, the best...her life will get easier with 8 children. That way she never has to look at herself and own her actions.
In Utah, Kate mentions wanting to go to Hawaii and poof, next thing they are going.

It Happened said...

Well things sure were busy while I was gone! I was on a vacation Gosselin style. Well sort of, it was my mother in laws house, my husband spent his time with me and the kids, oh we paid for our own transportation and everybody had a blast, no major meltdowns!

Anyways I didn't watch the episode and frankly Im quite proud of that! Oh and my sister in law has finally "saw the Gosselin light" as she said. So thats one less viewer!

EstherSarahMiller said...

I actually saw the pumpkins episode (which IIRC was the pilot) and was turned off by Kate. She just HAD to clean up halfway through carving pumpkins, I think she couldn't handle having the kids get messy, which bugged big time. My brother (who is actually diagnosed as OCD and is in therapy/medication for it) was watching with me and Kate said that she was OCD, brother turned to me and said "If she can't stand messes, why did she think churning out a f*n litter was a good idea?"

So basically, for me the first episode I saw was the last straw. I followed the TWOP board for awhile, then came over here.

Jessica said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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the infamous gumgate episode. and poor mady was speaking truth to her mother, "it wasn't his fault..." truth breeds hatred, huh?

Anonymomma said...

I was a big time sheeple. Out of boredom, I google'd the show. I actually wanted to see if I could find out on the net somewhere why her family is non-existant. First I found the links to her saying taxpayers were financially obligated to pay for her and her family because they were 'the special exception' to the rules. I actually got defensive, thinking people were making stuff up about her. So naturally I kept digging. Then I found more articles, Jane's writings on Triplet Connection, and ultimately Aunt Jodi's sister's blog. This was back in AUgust of 08. I think I spent the entire afternoon just trolling and reading with my jaw in my lap.

Then I started to watch the reruns, but from a very different perspective entirely. That's when the lightbulb went off. But the first episode that I recall thinking 'this chick is batshit' was the one where she put the little boy (I get them mixed up) on the laundry room floor when he was sick. That, in correlation with Nana Janet revealing that SHE actually did the laundry, and not Keight, was it for me.

BrittsMom said...

My "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" episode was the renewal vow. It was all so staged, and showed no love. And they HAD to stop in California for 5 days to adjust to the time change. How many "normal" families this day and age could afford that luxary!

johanna said...

Two episodes stand out: Cupcake Gate and Gum Gate - I was appalled at Kate's behaviour (yep, Canadian)and felt truly sad for Aunt Jody and the boys. I've stopped watching this season, as I can no longer tolerate that woman, and do not wish to a part of the exploitation of the Gosselin kids.

I love my son! said...

It was a columination of episodes that did it for me. I would become very sad and disappointed at Kate's behaviour. I don't think I had realized early on that they were getting 'perks' you and I would be so grateful for.

When they took the 'tups to frost cupcakes for their birthday, I felt so bad for the owner of the bakery. To open your business on a closed day was beyond kind. However, Kate acted like it was the owners' privledge to have them there. Kate complained about how far away the bakery was and then was rude to the owner. Not to mention the boys weren't allowed to have their own cupcakes when the girls didn't finish their food either was just cruel.

I also felt sad for Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin. You could see how much they loved ALL of Gosselin's. I miss seeing them on the show most of all. But the way Kate treated Jodi over the gum incident was incomprehensible to me. We all know that she receives free clothes for the entire family, so her reaction was dramatic and staged. I don't think Kate remembers that one of her dear children put a rather large hole in one of Jodi and Kevin's walls while she was watching Kate's kids for free.

I've never mentioned this before but I have a sister in law who is similar to Kate. I was great when I was able to give to them but when I quit my job I was kicked to the curb. I can say from my heart that I miss my nieces and nephews beyond words, but sometimes you don't have a say in the matter and have to let go.

NCLindsey said...

Annonymama,

I had the almost same progression as you! Sad to say, I started off as a sheeple... loved the kids, loved the show, thought Kate was amusing. Never did I notice the close ups of the Juicy Juice or the name dropping of Tonka flip-over race cars. It wasn't until a mom-friend and I were talking about the show one day, that she mentioned Aunt Jodi's sister had her blog. I finally saw the light back in April/May 2008!... better late than never!

After reading Aunt Jodi's sister's blog, I never could watch the show in the same light. My final nail in the coffin episode was the OBX trip. I live in Kitty Hawk, which is just about 20 miles south of where they stayed, Corolla. It annoyed me greatly that she was on my turf.

MomOfOneInPA said...

I actually have two "nail in the coffin or the last straw" episodes -- Disney & Hawaii.
As a huge Disney fan, I couldn't believe that she would: 1st - order their Disney cast member to get them food, 2nd - complain about the type of food when it was obviously free, and 3rd - ruin a private meet & greet because of a little ice cream on the kids (if that happened to my daughter, I would have had a back up item of clothing or some wipes to clean it up & move on).
The Hawaii trip was awful for so many reasons, but mostly because they kept telling the kids that they were doing it to show them that they would be together forever. Really??? Who needs to tell that to 4 year olds? It just seemed like they were trying too hard to justify it!

SaintAelphaba said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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GAH! SOOOOO MANY NAILS!

1. Bunkbed shopping w/constipated Collin.

2. Disney World w/the Ice cream.

3. Disney World the Teacups

4. Dutch Wonderland - the Spinning turtles.

5. The 'Renewal' in Maui - She cared more about how she would look then having her family participate in something that was supposed to be family centered.

6. The 4th of July at the Beach - The flag cake, them playing at the beach, almost the entire thing actually...

7. The potty training episode - you seriously shared PRIVATE pictures of these little kids first poop w/the world. AND you have it recorded for future generations to tease the kids? Really?

8. Any episode where she hits, yells, taunts, acts contrite, or ignores her children and/or her husband.

Long story short, the entire series.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I had her number from the pumpkin episode also. Other early things that made me scream at my T.V. The infamous Toys R Us eppy; being totally ignorant on what "organic" means, so a lollipop or fluff to her is healthy if it is organic; and then the crayola factory nailed the coffin shut.

Dr. Spaceman said...

"I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?"

For me it is this new season, specifically when they took the kids to see the new house.

Until then, I really gave Jon and Kate the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't as critical of them as most people were. While I know Kate was bad before, it never really bothered me. I was still able to see those moments between her and Jon or her and the kids where I could see the love. But to me, she is almost a different person this season. I guess it was just a slow buildup.

But what really got me was the scene in their bedroom. I understand for most parents it is important for their bedroom to be just theirs. And while I don't think children should be banned from their parents bedroom, I definitely understand the "knock first" rule. But for Jon and Kate, why should they be awarded privacy when their children never had a say in their own privacy? And how can you ban those children, the ones whose childhoods you sold to afford such a nice bedroom and bathroom? That really did me in.

But I do still tune in, but probably not for long.

Also, what are the rumors about Aunt Jodi?

Katyna said...

I realize that this show is highly edited, but for the life of me, I cannot remember Kate do something that I would consider motherly. I've seen her clean, and clean some more. I've seen her cook, if that's what you want to call it. I've seen her pack bags and supervise playtime, and I've seen her do laundry.

But I have never seen her have a tickle fight, I've never seen her chase the kids around the house, I've never seen her lay on the floor coloring. I don't think I've ever seen her swing her kids around like airplanes or ruffle their hair. No million kisses or snuggle-bunnies (tight hugs) or love songs that she sings just for her babies.

I do one or many of these things on a daily basis. Am I just the odd one or does she never do things I would consider Mommy territory and not MOM (cooking/cleaning) territory?

Hilo said...

My final straw is one that I've never seen mentioned. But first of all I want to say that I was bothered by a lot of things - like the cupcake episode and several others. But I was really angry at Kate when she kept making nasty comments about Jon's weight, and then after he lost weight and started working out, she was getting her frantic, stressed self when they were putting the kids on a merry-go-round I believe (I don't remember what episode it was)and she yelled at Jon for looking at his physique instead of helping her. That's when I thought she needs to cut people down to make herself feel "better".

expat said...

What was the final nail in the coffin? Like so many others, it would have to be gum-gate. I was already disenchanted by Kate and, to a lesser extent, Jon, after the furniture buying episode. I mean, what natural mother could have her poor child in pain and feeling miserable, wanting to be held, and look on it as a total inconvenience. Why on earth was it necessary to take all the kids to the furniture store to begin with? And why, as a nurse (which we're reminded of constantly), did she allow him to get in that state to begin with? Surely she was aware of the problem and could've given him some sort of relief prior to going out.
But the gum episode made me so disgusted I could never watch another whole episode again. The whole thing was so totally ridiculous. The ingratitude (Jodi is a saint), the over-reaction (my god, it's just gum), the threat to throw away a treasured toy....it was all just too much. The episode had already made me marvel at the difference between Jodi and Kate; Jodi was always so great with the kids, enjoying being with them and actually engaging with them, as opposed to just sitting off to the side, grousing about the mess, making nasty comments about the kids' quirks, etc. And then the 'joyous' homecoming, and the Horror of GUM!!!
I had never liked kate, but enjoyed watching the kids, and kind of took guilty pleasure in watching her silly and selfish behaviour. But now i can't watch at all. The only bit I've seen since was when i was channel surfing one night lately, and I guess it was an episode after they moved into the big house. Jon had the kids outside in the yard, and was trying to get the boys to kick a soccer ball around. I think it was Aiden, or maybe Joel, didn't want to kick it because it 'had mud on it', and Jon was telling him to 'get over his phobias'. Um, Jon, don't you realize where an intense aversion to dirt might've come from? it just proved to me that nothing had changed on the show and reinforced my boycott of it.

Marie France said...

roy said...
I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?
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KNOBGATE!!!

leesehere said...

does anyone know if the blog that Aunt Jodi wrote is saved somewhere before she took it down. Never got to see it.

Crystal said...

It is interesting reading everyone’s “moment of clarity” with this show. I will admit that I was a full-on sheeple with full-on sheeple reasoning too. Unfortunately, it took me a bit longer than others to get my moment of clarity. I just started reading this site around late-October and the only reason I found it is because MSN had a little blurb on the bottom of their website saying something like there are many that either like/hate J&K.

I never even noticed Aunt Jodi and Beth’s sudden departure from the show. I just chalked it up to J&K being able to now take all of their kids on vacations or errands with them. It was on here I heard the recap of what happened to Aunt Jodi. Unfortunately, I never saw the actual entry on her sister’s blog, but from other people’s comments, I kind of got the gist of what went down.

I remember someone commenting how quitting this show was a 12-step process or something like that. So true, so true. And yes, like many others there were so many little things that happened on each episode that just kept pulling me away, but yet I felt compelled to watch.

To me, the whole love/hate with J&K felt almost like a relationship in a weird way. In the beginning, it was all lovely and his/her little quirks were cute and funny and that is what kept the show “so real”. Then later on those same quirks started getting annoying (and embarrassing), but then something cute would be said or done and I was sucked back in. Then, when you could no longer take their behavior or greedy attitude anymore, the break-up happens. But shortly thereafter, you quickly start reminiscing about the good ‘ole days and then…the rebound happens. And once back in the rebound stage, you come to the sad realization that those good ‘ole days are long gone.

And unlike the popular break-up saying of,” it’s not you, it’s me”. My parting words were quite the opposite. “I thought it was me (i.e. Could I really just be jealous of what you guys have/get??), but no it is you [J&K] (because you are ungrateful, spoiled brats)”.

P.S. It would be cool if GWOP could do a voting poll on which episode was everyone’s from “sheeple [back] to people” moment.

P.P.S. I noticed GWOP now has had over 3 million visitors! How cool is that! When I came on in October, GWOP hadn't even cracked 2million yet.

Why r they 2gether? said...

Katyna- Also I have noticed- never a bedtime story- just :Go to sleep!!
I was not the perfect mother- but I read bedtime stories- talked
and spent some special time with my kids everyday-
Have you ever seen these kids being read to or taken to the
library or even Chapters-
They are almost five- do they
know their letters- a few words-
or to write their names? I hope
so..


I have to add- I love the name
Fruit Kate!!!!!

Posh Spice said...

If you go on TMZ and look at the picture of Posh Spice, it looks almost like Kate when she went to pick out puppies. Hee Hee

Confused said...

Tami said...

The Duggars and the little people are not the Gosselins. The comparisons go on and on but I just don't get it. Especially the comparison to LPBW. That show is about how the PARENTS as little people cope. They have older kids, not toddlers, and the kids have not been filmed since infancy. The show focuses on the older people for the most part. There is not a show simply because they had a bunch of kids at once. They are not phonies or beggars or frauds. I would be insulted to continue to be compared to KON. Oh, and the parents did not become little people by some trickery as Kate probably did become pregnant with multiples that way from everything in her history.

But they are children and laws should be put into effect to protect all children of reality shows, not just the Gosselins. Taking the show down will not protect these children of any future children on reality TV. Write your congress persons!

Four said...

Crystal wanted to know:
I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?

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Little things would bother me at first, but they initially were few and far between. The kids napping for so long (up at 8:30 am, back in bed by 12:30 not to be up again till 4?) The inference that the kids were so hard to handle they had no sitters and then Jodi slips up and says she always had taken the kids for Fridays to give K a break. The, oh how expensive this all is and how the twins were so spoiled with the best of everything but the IMPLICATION was the tups had to make do. But the reality of what was shown was they were all matchy matchy in gymbo and gap clothing. The "we have to stop at the consignment shop" line. The placing of one of the boys on the potty and telling him to not get up till he pees, and then closing the door with the light out! (but how did the camera man get out?) And why in the name of all the is holy did the children need to have potties in the playroom, their bedrooms AND the garage? Joel sick and put on the laundry room floor, with door shut, machines whirling. The torture of threatening to throw one of the boy's loveys out because it had gum on it (use peanutbutter, clean it, wash it and shut up!)

Those were some things that got my radar up and thinking "where the heck are the grandparents?" Which led to a google search, which led to here, there (hither, thither and yon) and a few blog archives thrown in (that prayer list/praise list was an eye opener!).

But yeah, I've been "show free" since the SanDiego fiasco. That was the icing on the cake of in saneness. Lie upon lie upon lie! And the whole calling one child's personality, self, whatever "ugly" and "...not going to let her ugliness infect the others..." remark just put the nail in the coffin as far as I was concerned. Quit watching. Will browse occasionally. The Soup is hilarious, the recaps are tolerable though not something I can wade through all the time.

Right now I'm just wondering how much longer they can keep the show going.

RealMom said...

Mine was the puppies. They can't even wear shoes in the house. Remember the melting ice cream at Disney World? She would never get an animal. Also, no bedtime stories because there are no books.

konspiracytheory said...

Dr. Spaceman,

Love your name - I'm a huge fan of 30 Rock - wish I'd thought of it first!

Aeris said...

For me, the show officially "jumped" when the family went to NC. The producers were out of ideas by that point. I started watching less and less, and by the time the fake vow renewal aired, I pretty much stopped watching completely.

Pamela Jaye said...

I saw coming up, Sextuplets and TWins One Year Later. So I recorded it. don't know if it's on again.

other than the lack of emasculation this far in (well almost) - 2:53 minutes - i am struck by how totally Kate loves her "new" house (you know, the one she just told all of us she detested). She's just thrilled with it.
So far.
I haven't hit the 3 minute mark yet, of course.

4thekids said...

I was a diehard J&K+8 fan and tried to always rationalize all of the terrible behaviors because, well, "the kids are cute." Cupcakegate, gumgate, Aaden-on-the-laundry-room-floor-gate...you name it! I managed to ignore the travesties portrayed on the show.

What first knocked me to my senses was the hair plug episode. Not only did J&K fly across the country for FREE to get Jon some hair in very expensive procedure, but the majority of the kids were sick and they left them with Jodie and her husband, whose kids were sick too!

That is when I started rethinking my silly rationalizations for this show. Then came the mandatory "we-have-to-prevent-jetlag-on-our-way-to-Hawaii-for-free" 5 night stay in San Deigo, and it all just went downhill from there.

Diane said...

One episode that got to me was the Phillies game. The way Jon acted when they got so many many perks was unbelievable. Those kids were all given brand new little personalized authentic jerseys when they arrived at the game and he didn't even have them put them on until some staff member suggested it when they were going to get their photo taken with the Phanatic. It's just so sad, because I'm sure those kids have never even worn the jerseys since. And there are probably thousands of little kids who are actually aware of who the Phillies are and like baseball that would have LOVED that experience and opportunity to see the Phanatic up close in a private visit.

Hawaii was also one of the last straws for me. There was NO love shown in any of those episodes whatsoever. I guess that's why they had to keep stating over and over that they will be together forever, because they never ever show it.

The real nail in the coffin for me was the episode where they visited the new house. The bedroom scene was possibly the worst thing I have ever seen on TV. I couldn't believe my ears. Those poor poor children. I have not watched the show since, and never will again.

caiteefacee said...

There has to be a reason they will be back on Oprah next week. To plug the new book? I don't know but I think it is something sinister. Oprah is always looking for ideas for new tv shows. I just hope she is not looking at getting a show for Kate. With the weight loss and makeover I think her publicist might be setting her up for something ala Rachael Ray but instead of cooking it could be about kids!!!! Heaven forbid

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Hi, I am Canadian and I first found this site after watching Gumgate. I was so outraged over Kate's behaviour that I typed into my computer " I hate Kate" and lo and behold sites popped up and eventually I found this. I do continue to watch despite myself as though waiting for this family to implode. (Somewhat like watching the demolition of a building, I watch for the implosion.) I do like the recaps and look forward to them each week.

RealMom said...

Right no books! No bookcases and oddly no furniture also. My kids each had their own bookcases (and still do) from birth because my teacher friends insisted on giving books always as gifts. Go Teachers!! We were always at the library too (which is way cheaper than buying and you can order books not on the shelves and DVD's) I do this for myself all the time. The older girls are never seen reading (only crying and hitting) and they are almost 9!!!! My kids just donated a ton of their books to our local elem. school that were too young for them anymore(Junie B. Jones, Magic Tree house, Corderoy etc.) but we will keep all the classics (Little House, Little Women, Harry Potter, Princess Diaries, American Girl, etc.) Now they are into Twilight series. They always got books for holiday gifts also. We also bought a lot of books over the years at yard sales so you don't have to spend alot. There is nothing like a good book to unleash a child's imagination. And kids love the attention of the parent when they are being read to. I used to read the same book about 3 times each night ("read it again mommy") when they were little and I miss it. By the way the mouse book Jon and Kate read was for promotional reasons only.

the other judy said...

Idea for title of the book the kids will surely write someday:

Jon and Kate plus 8 lost childhoods.

I still can bet my bottom dollar that someone somewhere is making plans for the "movie".

Too bad Faye Dunaway is older now....she did such a fab job in "Mommie Dearest".....(sorry, Im pms'ing....)

Roryz said...

I agree with those of you who've said the show jumped the shark when the family started taking ridiculous trips. Clearly, the show's producers thought that they were running out of material unless the family went on the road. The trip to Hawaii was where this program totally ran off itrs course, although there were many incidents before this show, but Kate going on "Say Yes to the Dress," and all the nonsense involved in the couple renewing their vows after NINE years made me think it's way past the time we should pull the plug.
To those of you who mentioned Kate emasculating Jon on the program: I think that Jon is absolutely in on it. I don't think he is as innocent as he seems. I beleive they think it is some kind of "shtick" like Cher belittling Sonny on their old TV program. I think Jon believes this makes for good TV.
Anybody else agree?

UseToBeAFan said...

it GAGS me The gosslins are back on Oprah. I don't get how they are foolin' people. I use to be a HUGE fan, i recorded every episode and watched reruns. My husband HATED Kate and the way she talked to Jon, I defended her and said "she's stressed, she's trying her best..." but the beach trip, hair trasplant and Hawaii put me over the edge and I started googling and found Aunt Jodi's blog and then THIS website.

I have to admit i still flip and catch a few minutes of the new episodes, and holy moley, is Kate FULL OF HERSELF! oh my, her head is so big its good she got a new house with wide halls and doorways!!

twitter.com/mccaw said...

7. The potty training episode - you seriously shared PRIVATE pictures of these little kids first poop w/the world. AND you have it recorded for future generations to tease the kids? Really?
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How utterly *humilating* for them. This is a public plea to parents who think it's a positive to take a picture of your son's/daughter's poop/pooh/feces/s**t and put it on public photo albums sharing sites like Flickr, SmugMug, Webshots: IT'S REPULSIVE!!!!!! I don't care if your child's in it or not. I think *most* people wouldn't want to see it. Even pee/urine/p*** is gross. Please think twice about doing this AND THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN!

nosheeple said...

" I couldn't believe how slim kate was after having 8 kids (didn't know about the free tummy tuck) and actually liked she didn't "baby" them so much as in not putting them in strollers. I've been around lots of women where the kids are babied up and down until late grade school. I also liked that she did up the kids hair and such and made them look cute. Again around people who are too lazy to dress their kids and let them just do whatever. Plus the kids were so cute and just seemed normal."

Hmm..And I see the dressing alike and all cutesy as babying them. The ones who "do whatever" are letting them grow and show individuality, no?

Jennifer D. said...

I still DVR the shows so I can fast forward through the commercials. It's like a train wreck...I can't take my eyes off it.

My heart breaks for those babies. They have no parent to really cuddle with them or love on them.

At least their childhood is on record so one day Kate can sit down and see everything she missed while she was in her frenzies.

Pamela Jaye said...

turns out most of this old ep was All About Kate. Her tummy tuck and her hairdo... (and her organic meals.)

Still everyone, including her, seemed happier back then.

For the people who just don't see what we do, they need to see an old ep like this and then a current one - the contrast is amazing.

Elliot said...

Nail in the coffin: For a while, I was going back and forth about Kate. I thought she had to be uptight, super-organized, and tough in order to get anything done. I saw little things here and there that I thought were mean (i.e. "Who would give you gum!!!", etc.) but figured it was editing never showing her good side. What showed me once and for all that she is just a mean person was the trip to NC, when the boys wanted to help with the cake and she would not let them. Maybe that is a random incident, but that made me so upset!

Kelley said...

I had (and yes, that is HAD) been a fan of the show from the first one hour special. Since it became a series, every episode is worse than the one before. My girlfriend told me about an article she had read about them behind the scenes. I went on google to find it and came across this website as well...it was like the clouds parted and Gods light was surrounding my computer screen :). I thank all of you for writing what I have been feeling myself for years now. Kate is an absolute disgrace. It makes me physically ill when I think of what NORMAL families are facing in these trying economic times and these people are being handed EVERYTHING, with no sense of appreciation, just complete entitlement. I read above that they are going back on Oprah and I am so angered by that. Oprah recently did a segment on the new face of poverty b/c of the economy and she is going to turn around and highlight this family again...infuriating. Why and How did Kate become the poster girl for motherhood and parenting?? What lessons are Jon and Kate teaching their children?? NONE. What love are they providing? None. It disgusts me!! A few posters highlighted that she does NOTHING that us Mommys do...nothing. People have commented about the ramifications of their childhoods being televised for the world to see. It is always said of the affects later in life. I think it is clearly affecting them now. Look at Maddie and it is very clear that she is NOT welladjusted and is begging for some love and attention. DO they, the kids, have any friends? I remember Maddie and Cara were good friends with Beth's daughter, but now that she is out of the picture there goes that. Jodi and Kevin's children used to be close with them as well but Kate made sure to alienate them...so so so sad. And wasn't Maddie close with the youngest son of Jodi...probably b/c this was a baby who just loved on her and that was what this poor child needed. Too bad Kate had to eliminate the only love this girl was receiving...uugghhh....sorry for the long post...it was my first and clearly I have strong opinions about this show as you all do too :).

KentuckyMom said...

My college-age daughter is a big fan of the show and asked me if I had ever watched. I began watching in the evenings (around 5) when it was on and I was babysitting my grandson. It was something we could watch together, he likes watching the "babies" as he calles them, although they are actually older than he is. I knew a little about how they had this large family and why they had this (so-called) reality show, but I had no opinion, and really expected to like it as my daughter (and her friends) are big fans. I did not start watching from the beginning.

I was first concerned when I saw one of the little boys put on the floor to sleep when he was sick. Also I think that Kate went to a cooking class with the twins at this time, and I thought that was bad, leaving your sick toddler to go to a cooking class. But I thought, well, I shouldn't judge.

Then on one episode they had put them down for a nap and they were cleaning the garage. They opened the door to the house and noticed that some of them had climbed out of their cribs. So Kate scolded them and put them back to finish their naps, but when naptime was over, the ones who had climbed out of their cribs had to stay an additional 45 MINUTES in their cribs as punishment! I could not believe that! I don't know how old they were, I would guess around 3 years old. Even if they remembered when their nap was over what they were being punished for, they certainly would not remember after 45 MINUTES why they were even being left in there.

That was it for me.

Matthew said...

There was a time when I did like watching this show. They are a little younger thanm my wife and myself, and being from PA as well, a lot of the places were familiar to us (Strasburg Railroad, Crayola Factory, etc.). This past year is when something just didn't sound right on the shows. Yuo were always aware of Kate's evil snippiness and Jon's seeming laziness, but taking 3 big, big vacations in a single year is just wrong. Then to have the temerity to give donated toys and your own dvd's and claim to be "giving back" was when my BS alarm went off. So, like all of us here, I started digging (as my wife occasionally says, "How did we live without the internet?!?") and was horrified to see that there was always a layer of greed that, try as they may, they simply cannot hide. Worse, there is everything out there that the kids will find very soon and have really unpleasant questions for J&K )"Mommy, when you said you 'Gambled and lost', does that mean you never really wanted me?") That quote is from an interview that Kate gave trying to defend keeping the state nurse for another year, and a quote she tried to take back. Now, not only are they openly lazy and greedy, they have little palpable love for their own children, and NO palpable love toward each other. When I watch at this point, it is for the train-wreck factor.
Still, every now and then, you get a glimpse of their consciences saying "WHAT THE !@#$%^&* HAVE WE DONE!!!!" Take Kate's brief happiness over having the flourescent fixtures removed from the house. It was brief, though; never did she admit why they were there and the fact she could have said no.

LBailer said...

All these gate eps...I think I'll just pick KateGate and make the decision easier.

My mother was horrible. I had a horrible childhood. Her heart was stone cold, to this day. She never said sorry, she was never happy with anything and complained and looking back, had the attitude of entitlement from day one. All we heard was the sacrifices she had to make each day to raise us. I can't remember her ever comforting me, protecting me, showing love. Like Kate, she too valued keeping a clean house over spending time with us. Kate reminds me so much of my mother. I had to stop watching the show when I realized she wasn't going to quit yelling and being mean. It was a Christmas ep when they were trying to take pictures and Jon was running around trying to keep hats on kids and keeping kids still and instead of saying "its okay honey, we tried" or "oh well, we'll never get a good pic with everyone smiling" she griped and complained. It was too much like my mother so I stopped watching.

Dear Jon and Kate, you have no idea the lack of love you have for you kids will affect them in terrible ways, no matter how much money and provisions you give them. I'm sad for you and I'm sad for your children.

Mia said...

I am having a hard time trying to decide what nailed the coffin for me. I keep saying to myself,"Yes, that was it" when I read each post.

I guess maybe when Kate absolutely went into hysterics about the dresser knob might be one of them. She was standing there hollering at her little boys, saying something like "Who did this??"

Any way, it was so funny when one of the little boys said, "Nobody did it." So funny!

But those little guys were all standing there, looking at her face while she was going nuts, and they probably didn't even know what she was talking about, but when she left it was funny to see Aiden do a little happy-feet dance.

And the cupcake fiasco still burns me up. I remember little Aiden's face when he said in such disbelief, "You mean we don't get to eat them?" Something like that.

I can imagine how those women in the bakery felt, since they opened up for the Gosselins on their normal closed day. Kate could not have been more disgusting that day.

I would like to be a bug on the wall and hear the comments their customers must make all the time about that awful day.

Why do I watch? I guess because Kate is the women I love to hate. And I do think I like seeing those kids, even though they are not babies any more. I really like those kids.

I would never allow Mady to talk the way she does to everybody, though. The episode when they went on the trains and Kate was looking for a seat was incredible. Kate went to each car and asked, "Can I sit here?" The kids all said "No."

But Mady put her arm out, to close off the entrance, and told Kate she could NOT sit there. Mady looked like she despised Kate. It turned my stomach.

What a mess. What a monumental mess. But, hey, they are millionaires! They said they would "Do anything" for their kids. I think they have done it all. Except we know they haven't, because it just keeps rolling along, getting more disgusting on every episode.

Jon and Kate are now listed as the producers, so that means they are making even more money each episode.

And they are now a corporation, so there is no way these folks are going to ever go poor. Unless the whole world tanks, (and it looks like it could) the money will just keep pouring in.

I hope I am wrong, but I am afraid I'm not.

Casey and Smudge said...

Count me Canadian too, eh! I didn't catch on to J&K+8 until this past summer. I was watching what I thought was a rerun, but I have no idea (I think I'd maybe seen their special in passing because I remember thinking, wtf, it's a show now?)! It was Columbus Day and Mady's and Cara's seventh birthdays. There was that weird parenting exchange around Collin ("ignore him, Daddy's mean") combined with Mady's monumental tantrum, and gifts sent in from anonymous viewers. And I was confused. So I watched another episode, and another, and another, and saw no evidence of good parenting, organisation, gratefulness, age-appropriate activities, kindness, whatever. Then I checked online and got the whole dirty rotten backstory on the family.

I don't think I've seen an episode that left me with that warm fuzzy feeling, like after you've had a cuppa with honey, you know?

Art said...

My Clarity Movement: The gum and Aunt Jodi episode.

I used to be half of a sheeple. Kate annoyed and scared the hell out of me sometimes and I wasn't tuning in every week to keep on top of what they were doing (caught reruns when it was no trouble), but before the gum issue, I didn't see anything that was overly horrible. I saw a struggling mother and father trying to provide a loving, caring, better life for their sudden amount. I knew she had problems - who doesn't? - but I also saw her trying to work on them, to improve herself. And Jon mentioned a few times how he would listen to the kids, especially Cara and Maddy, and learn more about their troubles. They weren't prefect, FAAAAR from it, but they were loving and trying.

And then the Kate goes ape-shit over a little speck of gum on her boy's favorite teddy bear. And afterwards? No apology to her son, to Aunt Jodi, to the viewers - nothing but excuses for her behavior. Oh, there was SO MUCH GUM EVERYWHERE! Oh, I'm so exhausted! Oh, Jodi should know better than to give toddlers gum, even if she's seen us given them gum before and knows they can handle it! Oh, woe is me, woe is me, woe is ME, so much gum!

Yeeeaaaah, that pretty much did it for me. I found this site when I was actually looking up information on large families. I can't remember what I typed in Google, but I first found Truth Breeds Hatred and got all of the behind the scene details of the issue. It wasn't too long before I found this site and became a resident lurker - only recently have I stepped out of the shadows.

Every now and then I'll catch a bit of an episode or look up a Gosselin interview on YouTube, but I can't stand watching a whole episode. It's like walking on blacktop, barefooted, during the height of summer. Or repeatedly hitting your hand against a wall. Actually, recently, it's more like walking on a blacktop, barefooted, during the height of summer, smashing your hand repeatedly on a plank of wood while listening to recording of howler monkeys battling banshees. It's painful, not a good idea, and you know it'll end in tragedy.

I was never a big fan of reality TV or daytime talk shows, so I’ve only seen commercials and a few clips here and there of Dr. Phil and Opra (sp?). From what I gathered about Dr. Phil is he’s the guy who sits you down and verbally slaps some sense into you. I don’t get how he can NOT do that with the Gosselins. I would think that if he couldn’t get through to them, then he wouldn’t invite them back on his show.

A Rose by any other name said...

My mother was crazy -- truly insane. We lived like rats at the dump, scared to death every day that "the police would take us away," because our Mom told us that some people thought she was crazy and we might be taken away from her and she might go to jail.

We didn't bathe, ever. Our tub was full of trash. She was a hoarder and brought pure junk home every day from other people's trash cans. Junk like other people's coffee grounds and egg shells. She would take anything there was and bring it home to add to our trash-filled home.

Eventually our house had trash from ceiling to floor. We ate boiled potatoes and boiled beans. We were filthy little kids until we learned to put water in a bucket and wash ourselves, and sometimes we couldn't even find soap or a towel among all the junk our house was filled with. We washed our own clothes from the time we were about five years old.

Life was scary, and awful and hungry. We were scared to death that every time a knock came at the door, it was the police and they would take us all away.

I am absolutely serious about all of this. I couldn't tell you in a book how awful my life was.

But you know what? We LOVED our mother. We were little kids and didn't know why we lived like we did. We never knew it was because of her being crazy.

We knew what we lived, so to us, it was our "normal."

Nevertheless, One of my favorite memories of my childhood was sitting in my mothers lap, my head against her chest, listening to her heart beat, and I knew she loved me and I loved her. I did.

I wouldn't take 10 Kates for one of my poor, pitiful, crazy mother. She loved us, she told us she did, she was kind to us, and we knew no different.

Moons in Leo said...

I just left a post at Oprah.com under the discussion about the Gosselins' scheduled appearance next week.

I urged her staffers to do their jobs before she suffers yet another embarrassment by once again showcasing grifters.

I am very hopeful that if enough of us who are concerned about the Gosselin children post our reasons for objecting to J&K appearing on Oprah, that she will help to pull the plug on this shameful exploitation.

Katie C. said...

Dear Royz,

You said: "To those of you who mentioned Kate emasculating Jon on the program: I think that Jon is absolutely in on it. I don't think he is as innocent as he seems. I beleive they think it is some kind of "shtick" like Cher belittling Sonny on their old TV program. I think Jon believes this makes for good TV.
Anybody else agree?

3/06/2009 2:45 PM
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Yes, Royz, I agree completely!! I think they will do anything for money, even making Jon a dunce and Kate a shrew. I believe it is all for the money.

kellyro said...

i only started watching recently. hawaii was the first one i saw, and i kept thinking - if this is for your family - where are they? why was kate meeting people? where were the loved ones? i would want people besides farther down the line extended family there.
also i felt awful when they didnt let them name those dogs. i let my 2 year old name his baby brother! ( well we put 3 names in a hat and let him pick) but still! how mean can they be to those kids?
last week i watched. but after seeing the last visit to the old house, i took it out of the tivo. where were the tears? where were the "one last picture of you guys in our old yard" or in their old rooms? is she going to fill those 'memory" boxes with copies of their dvds? and their book?
also what kind of self absorbed person compares a bed rest pregnancy in the hospital with kids who have cancer? i mean come on kate - you were not there because you were dying. you were there because you needed "just one more"
i was so mad when they gave those kids copies of their show and cds that "got her through her rough time in the hospital"
ugh! i hope i can stay off this show. i will buy the tell all book. with a coupon of course

mollybloom said...

It's strange that people would love a family show about a woman who appears to resent her family. Even when Kate tries to show some affection, she just can't pull it off. Jon used to show a little warmth, but he's mostly checked out now. These are two cold, detached people.

Does this show tap into some people's hidden resentments about the sacrifices involved in the raising of children? Perhaps Jon and Kate act out what some overwhelmed parents secretly feel.

cherier1 said...

I never really warmed up to Kate, but I loved seeing those little kids so much that I would make excuses for her behavior to myself: she's so busy; she's so stressed; would I be able to do it any better??

I think what really did it for me was watching Mady over time. Mady thrives on positive adult attention and I think she's very smart. (She's also the one who calls it like it is which automatically puts her in the doghouse.) The show portrays her as the family black sheep - and her parents allow her to continue to be chronicled that way for millions to see and judge. I don't care if every last bit of it can be justified. That is your child: protect her! Even if you must protect her from herself at times.

It bugs me too that there are no books anywhere. They could read to 6 at once as easily as they read to one. I'm willing to bet the parents are not readers themselves. I'm also willing to bet they've never read any child care/parenting books, either.

To the poster who commented on nurse Kratchet letting Collin get into that constipated state to begin with - I had't thought of that and you are so right. Or give the poor kid a little something to help him along once you know. And stay home and let him poop!

I'm eager to see what Oprah's show is all about - her producers are screwing up big time if they don't know how a growing number of people feel about the show and the parents.

Let's all email o!

Storm said...

To quote Jonathan Gosselin from the TLC website:

Whether or not "Jon & Kate Plus 8" will continue beyond its fourth installment will depend on a group vote. "It's always been a season by season decision," says Jon. "We have a family meeting and we all vote on whether we want the cameras to stay. Their childhood comes first."

What a load of crap. Money comes first.

organizedblogroll said...

Someone mentioned to me that on the last show about the old house that at the end of the show, it had a note about the "finale" show, and if we wanted to see more of Jon & Kate Plus 8, there was a phone number to call to give your opinion.

Anyone else see this?

Kelley said...

I also went onto Oprah.com and sent an email in telling them to not aid in garnering this couple anymore celebrity at the expense of their children. I think everyone here should...so even if they get on the show maybe Oprah will at least address the concerns we are talking about.

Jaci said...

Mostly a Lurker said:

"When Kate had the nerve to ask the plastic surgeon for a boob job I couldn't believe it. I mean, come on! The doctor was nice enough to give her a tummy tuck and she asks for more free cosmetic surgery?? I was disgusted."


That family was so sweet to her. The wife looked like she was having a blast with Kate, but as soon as Kate got home and saw Jon in the driveway her fake smile collapsed and she groaned, "Oh, I'm SO glad to be home." Maybe all the 'sorority girls' bonding got on her nerves? It's weird to go back and watch re-runs knowing what I know now.

The nail in the coffin for me? Joel left sick and alone in the laundry room. I was appalled, but really wanted to make excuses for Kate's parenting, so kept watching. I was officially done when she left her sick kids to hold Jon's hand and oversee the placement of his free hair plugs.

(Hmmm...after all these free plastic surgeries....maybe Kate's recent thinness is from a free stomach staple. Whoa! I just guessed the season finale!) :)

MayDay said...

What the heck is up with the commercial sponsored by Kleenex "It feels good to feel" What is Kate doing to Jon...rubbing his face and it sounds like baby talk. Boy TLC is really making him look bad. Kate cuddling and kiss Hannah on the couch.
Who would of thunk it???

Kelly O said...

I think Gum-Gate is what started my wondering what was going on with Kate. Although I've just found this site, I have to agree with so many of you and your points. Collin clearly in pain and constipated, but Mommy has to buy furniture (Why are all the children there? Why can't Mommy buy furniture online? Why drag them somewhere and then fuss at them for acting like kids their age act?)

I totally chalked up some things to "Oh, it's just editing," or whatever, but putting all those pieces together, and seeing other people putting the same things I've seen together with the same result, has really made me question watching it.

I don't necessarily agree with the Duggars' beliefs on many things, but I have to agree with the OP, it's nice to see a family who seems to genuinely love and care for each other, and who work together with very little complaint to help each other every day. I like LPBW too, mainly because they seem so focused on helping people understand what their lives are like. Someone posted on another thread about all the people they see, and how few people the Gosselins see (friends, family, etc.) that aren't doing something for them and it really struck me.

I just feel very badly for those kids. Despite all Kate's carrying on about giving them normal lives, they are doing the very opposite thing, and it's a disservice to those kids. (I have never been to Disney, Hawaii, Utah, or some of these other places, but I had a happy, well-adjusted childhood and that's all any kid can ask for.)

Diane said...

Whether or not "Jon & Kate Plus 8" will continue beyond its fourth installment will depend on a group vote. "It's always been a season by season decision," says Jon. "We have a family meeting and we all vote on whether we want the cameras to stay. Their childhood comes first."
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Get a clue Jon. YOU are the parents! You need to make the decision as 5 and 8 year olds are incapable of knowing what the "cameras" in their house really means anyway. They don't know the significance of it and have no way of grasping the concept of it all until they are much older and feel the repercussions. You say it is "their childhood". Maybe so, but it is "their childhood" that you have already taken away from them. They never had a vote in that. The sextuplets have had cameras around forever--that is all they know. Why on earth would they say they don't want cameras anymore? They think it is normal!! Mady and Cara have probably voted "no" for the past 2 seasons but they aren't the majority. I feel so badly for these kids.

Laurie said...

Nail in the coffin: When germofobe Kate was walking around barefoot in the gas station parking lot but wouldn't let the kids walk barefoot in the hotel room - and then to try to explain it away by saying she knows they was down the parking lot.

Also have to say pottygate - to put that poor baby on the potty and make him sit there until he's peed - and to run the time clock next to it. What was the final clock count? If I remember correctly it was 23 minutes of sitting there alone while everyone else was having breakfast. He finally got up and went for breakfast and when she found out he hadn't peed told him to go back! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Sometimes they just don't have to go.

Anonymomma said...

A rose by any other name, honey you said a mouthful. I'm sorry that you had to live through certain aspects of your childhood like that, though I know you didn't tell us it for sympathy. I hear ya Lady : )

The whole book thing! OMG! You know when you look at one of those "What's Wrong With This Picture"'s and you can't quite catch it? Bingo. Seriously, who has 8 kids and no books for them? I don't always have the money to buy all of my kids new toys whenever they like but the one splurge we do have is books. As a mater of fact, their school is having it's annual Scholastic Bookfair next week and it's something they all look forward to. I'd rather give them money for books than toys or candy. And all of my kids are readers. Even the baby (though she prefers the Boston Proper catalog or Redbook mag lol).

Something that has always creeped me out about Keight. The tups are not identical, though they look alike. The twins are also not identical. Now, I can understand as babies and toddlers, dressing them the same. I have identical boys who are 14 months younger than my oldest son. Growing up they looked like triplets and were often mistaken for them, and there were a few times when I did match their outfits all together. But as soon as they were able to dress themselves, to pick out and identify matching clothing, they chose (not me) to no longer dress the same. The only times of the year that I ask them to allow me to still pick out their clothing is for family photos, school picure day, and to a point, holidays (though they get a choice on most holidays of thingslike suits or sweaters).

My boys are 11, 11 and 12 now. And they couldn't be more different from each other, especially the twins. In fact, they revel in their differences. I think Keight is going to have issues with the kids as they hit adolesence (sp?) if she doesn't start cutting them some slack soon with individuality.

One more thing, the whole constipated kid in the furniture store episode? Am I the only mother who saw that and thought "No way in hell am I buying her story of 'my kids are kept on a strict schedule'"? My 14 month old has her umm, lol, certain times of the day. If I take her out shopping or to a doctors appointment that isn't scheduled around these times, she will hold it in. Being out of her element and off of her normal routine does it.

Same goes for her 'it's low blood sugar' BS. No Keight, it isn't. You threw your kids of schedule for filming purposes and it physically affects them. HELLLOOOO!

Steph said...

I took my daughter for an xray and ...believe it or not...the technician HAD KATE'S HAIRCUT! I wish I could have snuck a photo of her! Unbelievable! even my 7 year old said "mom, she looks Kate Gosselin!"

ntvnat said...

"Nail in the coffin: When germofobe Kate was walking around barefoot in the gas station parking lot but wouldn't let the kids walk barefoot in the hotel room."

Actually, I would never walk barefoot on even a modest-priced hotel ($110/night). Nor would I touch the phone, the remote control or the clock radio (the remote control I put in a plastic baggy and touch it over the baggy). Once you watch one of those newsmagazine shows where they bring purple fluorescent lights and show you the feces/blood/semen splattered all over the place, it can NEVER be considered "clean".

timetogokon said...

I am pretty new too. I came across this trying to find some info on octomom.

I would love it if someone could fill me in on "gumgate" If there is a link to it and what episode it was so I can read the recap. I can only imagine what it entails.

Thanks- Amie


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To all the newcomers:

Gumgate - Mady's Day

Collingate - Babies and Bunkbeds

Joelgate - Cooking with the Twins

Ice Cream Gate/Disneygate - Going South (or something like that)

Knobgate - ??

Cupcakegate - The Tups Turn 4

You can probably see all of these on YouTube. Hope this helps !


You know, after reading all the comments, it makes me realize just how many odd/terrible/unbelievable moments there have been . For example, I completely forgot about when Kate made all the kids clean up in the middle of pumpkin carving.

Hawaii, Utah, GH Photo shoot - the list goes on and on and on.

Oh, what about when Kate wouldn't let the family see wild horses running on the beach in NC ?

yeaisaidthat said...

Storm said...
To quote Jonathan Gosselin from the TLC website:

Whether or not "Jon & Kate Plus 8" will continue beyond its fourth installment will depend on a group vote. "It's always been a season by season decision," says Jon. "We have a family meeting and we all vote on whether we want the cameras to stay. Their childhood comes first."

This is such an utterly ridiculous statement! The children are asked to vote on whether or not the cameras should stay? The very same children whose parents claim they can not be trusted with washable magic markers, get their butts wiped after going 'potty' and still wear bibs at the dinner table! But yet, are of the intellectual maturity to make decisions regarding the terms and conditions of continuing a reality tv show?

Cheetah said...

I have watched from the beginning, and I have never cared for Kate, but I loved watching the kids. There was a lot of bad behavior from Kate even early on, but my moment of horror was when she put poor sick Joel on the laundry room floor and made a big deal of how much extra work he was causing her.

After that episode, I thought for sure no one could defend Kate's actions, but sure enough, a few people did (and still do).

Pay for me to go to Maui...Please said...

Clarity moment...most have been written about already...

...but what really broke my heart is when they were in the Kons new bedroom, and it was "supposedly" the last time the kids would ever step foot in it. She threatened those kids if they ever went into Kon's bedroom again...

Call me a screwed up parent..but hey, my kid's are more than welcome into our bedroom, especially IF THEY NEED ME! (Kate have you ever heard of a bad dream?)

...and I have have taken a family of 4 to Maui, I cannot even imagine the cost of that trip...

What I want to know....do you think they are paying taxes on all those freebies...it could probably lift the recession...lol!

Chelsea Lately said...

Chelsea Handler is finally going off about Jon and Kate!!!! They are discussing her as I type, comparing her to Octomom, how Kate is a bitch, etc etc etc.

Said some really mean things about Michael Jackson and the kids, though :(

ny girl said...

For me the gumgate is what really annoyed me the most. It wasn't that she got so upset about the gum , it was her anger at Jodi. This women who has 4 kids of her own is now in charge of 11 children, something Kate would NEVER do. So don't say "she tries" and act like you deserve this.
But was even worse was Mady trying to stick up for Collin. Kate didn't even listen. She didn't care about the fact that this was his security blanket.

There were certainly other epis that made me mad, but the one that really did me over was when Kate had Girls day Out. She was so mean to the little girls, and was so focused on her own work that she didn't care about theirs at all!!
It wasn't just the one epi that did me in, it was basically all of them combined. (as I'm writing this I keep thinking of more, but its hard to write 4 seasons worth of episodes!)

Tami said...

Said some really mean things about Michael Jackson and the kids, though :(
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Michael Jackson deserves good things said about him?

Tami said...

Actually, I would never walk barefoot on even a modest-priced hotel ($110/night). Nor would I touch the phone, the remote control or the clock radio (the remote control I put in a plastic baggy and touch it over the baggy). Once you watch one of those newsmagazine shows where they bring purple fluorescent lights and show you the feces/blood/semen splattered all over the place, it can NEVER be considered "clean".
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Bring Lysol and spray everything down. And I don't think the hotel is any worse than say, a public pool. I can't see not touching anything in the room. I'd probably not even stay in one ever if I were that scared. I'm always washing and sanitizing my hands in public places anyway, so it doesn't bother me all that much.

jayley said...

Nail in the coffin? This family appearing on Dr. Phil or Oprah. These are not people who ask the REAL questions, and they never will be, because they appeal to a mass audience. With my children I researched both Brazelton and Leach, not the opinion of the moment. Both theories were about quiet and gentle parenting. Sometimes it's a great idea to look out of the box.

Louise said...

I was just curious, which particular J&K episode was "the final nail in the coffin or the last straw" for you when it came to watching J&K?

For me the episode was where Kate is looking out the window and is saying "Mine, all mine."(about the land) and J&K's bedroom scene at the new house. That was just heart breaking seeing them being banned from their parents' bedroom. If you get right down to it, we are just stewards of the land until we pass it on to someone else. And to be banned from your parents bedroom, my heart breaks for those poor kids when they have nightmares.

Oh, I forgot there's a nanny, how pathetic.

Actually I haven't watched anythng on TLC for over a month, I'm boycotting the channel.

Tami said...

Oh, and the parents did not become little people by some trickery as Kate probably did become pregnant with multiples that way from everything in her history.

But they are children and laws should be put into effect to protect all children of reality shows, not just the Gosselins. Taking the show down will not protect these children of any future children on reality TV. Write your congress persons!
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I don't defend the other "family" reality shows. I rarely watch those kinds of shows. I wish the Duggars had not gotten a reality show because I think it will corrupt them. But if everyone is comparing families all the time--and this happens on a daily basis--I don't see how they are the same since the other families are self supporting and not doing a show just to live and never have to work again, and they are actually families unlike these con artists who are just out there lying to people, begging for more promotional spots and freebies (i.e, she claims she is just innocently making soup so sheeple will write in ignorantly and ask her for the recipe as if she would actually give them the time of day--and it turns out she just wants to sell a damn cookbook) and emotionally and verbally abusing their kids. The kids grew up with cameras in their faces and the cameras will not leave until the family is dragged kicking and screaming from the spotlight.

Tami said...

Kate would freak out about my own personal gumgate. For the second time in a week MY 4 year old has found an old chewed up piece of gum belonging to someone else and put it in her mouth to chew! First it was at the YMCA and today it was at my other daughter's high school. Oh, and if there is gum anywhere in the house in anyone's purse, she will find it and try to chew the whole pack. Which is why I rarely buy it anymore.

On another note, another nail in coffin moment was when they had family portraits and Kate sat in Beth's living room screaming at Jon to dress the kids (huh?! what mom DOES that??) I'll bet Beth thought she was a bitch. I would die of humiliation if I acted like that in someone's home. Then there is just the fact that she is incapable of buckling her own kids in carseats, taking them anywhere, removing them from carseat, etc. How lazy and ignorant. Crying for Jon to come home rather than go get a U Haul for Florida because she is exhausted from getting her ugly hair done? Hellllooo?!!

3ts said...

Dr. Phil and Oprah are after ratings and $$$ themselves. They aren't much different than Jon and Kate in my book. All of the above seem to be wanting to get in on Suleman's bit of fame, but I wonder if they gave any money for those babies? Jon and Kate need to 'pay it forward' and help Nayda like they were helped.

Love the 8 but not J&K said...

I have watched this show since the first hour long episode when they appeared to be a real family. The babies were on the floorplaying and the girls were watching cartoons while Kate was video taping them. She asked the twins some questions and they answered them so cute. Kate ended it by saying "It may not look like a glamourous job but it is very rewarding" Or something like that. The second episode showed Jon taking care of the 8 while Kate had a job on the weekend. She even left the twins cute messages about loving them and she was so happy they were helping daddy while she was at work. She signed the notes Love, Mommy. All the kids looked happy.I think this is the episode she showed her stomach after the birth of the 6 and called it the "jowls of a dog"

Then they moved to the 5 bedroom 3 bath house they recently outgrew (Yeah Right!)With the HUGE back yard. I think Kate changed the minute she got a FREE tummy tuck.She realized that they had about 8 cash cows. Which as everyone has seen she was right. neither of them work now, they charge money to "speak at churches" Or get Love offerings.I am not jealous, I guess if they can sleep at night knowing they a lazy and are NOT showing their children how to make an honest living then more power to them I was raised you worked, 1-2-3 jobs if you had to to make ends meet.College in their town for 8 kids must not be that much either since their new house house cost (reportedly 1.3 million)

Now fast forward to the new house. Kate was cleaning the fridge and complaining that the previous owners were gross, bet they were happy THAT made the air, then she walked over to the kitchen window and actually said "Mine all Mine for as far as I can see" That sounds like the kids are first huh? Then J&K anounced to the kids that they were getting 2 puppies, they were so excited talking about names and laughing when Kate said "I named them" and Mady cried out but I want to name them and Kate actually told these 8 tiny children "I don't care I am not going to live years with stupid dog names like Scout etc. and if you guys don't like it we won't get them" She even said she had always wanted to name an animal Nala so that is what she did.MOTHER OF THE YEAR AWARD?? I think not! I also do not think Jon is as innocent as he seems.He tells his boys to man up maybe he should man up and be roll model for them and get a JOB!

I like so many others do still watch just because I really care about the kids. I wish someone would step in and stop this nonsense before they are on celeberty rehab when they get older.I hope someone is making sure the money is in trust for the kids too.

Other then the camera crew, whom I am sure are nice people, these kids have NO friends or family. They only see each other 24/7/365...how sad.

Maybe J&K should watch a few episodes of 18 Kids and Counting or LPBW to see how to raise happy kids. They too have been on the air almost as long but they all have jobs and or income aside from the show. Heck the Duggars built their house with the HELP of their kids.

I love my son! said...

Chelsea Lately said...
Chelsea Handler is finally going off about Jon and Kate!!!! They are discussing her as I type, comparing her to Octomom, how Kate is a bitch, etc etc etc.

Said some really mean things about Michael Jackson and the kids, though :(
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I watched Chelsea Lately and thought it was awesome that they discussed it for a couple of minutes. Um, as far as Micahel Jackson goes...he's nuttier then squirrel poop and needs to stay in England. He is a perfect example of what child exploitation can do to a child!

Sixxlet said...

The episode that first tuned me in to Kate's true personality was the Toys R Us episode.

The episode that upsets me the most is gumgate. If you remember, that was Mady's 'special day.' Mady was actually a delightful child that day. Kate even said somethig to the effect of Mady just needing some attention. So Mady came home in a GREAT mood, and then the whole gum issue starts, with Kate screaming. I couldn't believe how hateful she was being about the little guy's blankie friend. Mady tries out of the goodness of her heart to CALMLY tell Kate that it wasn't his fault, and Kate SCREAMS AT MADY!! WTF??? Mady didn't chew gum. Mady didn't do anything wrong, but she is being screamed at, and right at that moment, you see the old Mady come back. As for the little guy's blankie friend with the gum on it, I have NEVER seen peanut butter work to take gum off of anything. So Kate is bitching that there is gum on it and then she spreads peanut butter on it. Now the damn toy has gum AND peanut butter on it. She could have just cut out the small patch of fabric with the gum on it and sewed the side where she cut to keep it from fraying. Or she could have cut the patch out and put a patch of different fabric on it and told him it was a bandaid. I've done that before. I've fixed and doctored so many stuffed animals it is crazy, but those animals are friends to little kids.

What gets me is that she was really pissed at Jodi, but she screamed at the kids and Mady and then tried to act sweet on the phone with Jodi. I bet Jodi was just astonished when she saw the actual show and how rude Kate was to her own children.

Love the 8 but not J&K said...

I know many of you have said you were upset that Kate made poor Joel lay on the laundry room floor when he was sick, that she did that so she didn't have more work for herself. WHAT??!??!! She DIDN'T do her own laundry the neighbor she named Nana something (I cannot remember her first name)came over on Thursdays to wash and fold it then ANOTHER neighbor Karla came over on Thursday nights to put the crap away did it! This woman is a joke.What does she really do? She even tried to get a cleaning lady but they didn't have the same standards as Kate. I am sure when the kids get older they will thank momma for a clean house since as so many have noticed they never get any kind of affection from mom. Jon has showed more though as I have said I don't think he is the greatest anymore. Kate almost sounds like she is bitter with Jon when she says he grew up doing everything and going places with his dad and she went no where.I have heard she has several sisters and we know Kevin is a brother but since she sh*& on him and his wife there is no family that they are around. Even Beth who was a great friend has disappeared.

I wish Kate would watch some of the first episodes so she can see that her children have went from happy to crabby and whiny. I feel for these kids so much. I hope Oprah calls them out on it when they appear on her show. Thouigh in a past magazine article J&K said they pick the questions they will answer and nothing more. Hmmmmm....what do they have to hide?

Aim said...

Timetogokon-

Thank you! I have found all of them except the bunkbeds. Gumgate was worse than I imagined. WOW!

Love the 8 but not J&K said...

This is for Sixxlet...do you watch the show at all? Jenny is their nanny she went to Hawaii with them and even to NC for a July 4th vacation. She was hired after J&K refused to let TLC pay Kate's own sister-in-law Jodi for helping with the 8 kids. She left her OWN 4 kids to travel with J&K just so the kids would have someone familiar with them then J&K slapped her in the face and kate even clapped in her brothers face and yelled "You are no one, if anyone else gets paid we are done" I wish my brother would show me so much support! NOT! That was on a blog by Jodi's own sister and it was called Truth Breeds Hatred. Jodi even video taped a blog giving the site 100% validity. It was taken down a short time later because so many people called and told Jodi in public how much they supported her. Even though she appreciated all the support she told her sister to take it down so she could move on with her life and she even said even off air she would still take care of the kids, J&K nixed that. As for a maid, she did try that but was to picky so I don't think she has one of those. But Kate herself has said she has food catered in on "shoot" days which by all the shows looks like alot of the time. You know when she cooks her organtic shit that she must have done that, no real cook would make kids eat that stuff. :) I don't think a child should eat all kinds of junk food but come on a burger at home once in awhile won't kill them. When they do go on trips Kate has to bring bags of medicine because the kids are not eating organtic.

Laura said...

The final straw for me wasn't any one episode, but rather, how things have slowly gone downhill.

The show stopped being about a family w/ 8 kids struggling, but about a family with 8 kids getting free trips, products, and living the high life, while acting like they are average joe's.

Kate's behavior has gone from bad to worse. I can't stand Mady at all - she's like Kate Jr.

The show isn't even about the kids anymore.
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My question to others: WHAT WILL THEY DO ONCE THE KIDS START KINDERGARTEN? They won't be able to film them all the time. Who wants to bet that Kate will homeschool?

Anonymomma said...

Sixxlet, Jon was at Penn State doing a paid speaking gig a few weeks back (see main page for links). He leaked the info about the Nanny who is from another country. He also leaked the info about the dogs before the episode aired. Students who attended the event came here and on other sites and attested to pretty much everything that was eventually confirmed.

Kat said...

I'm a mom of four, and from the time my kids were old enough to dress themselves they chose their own clothes. I remember once my oldest daughter Katie, (I did NOT name her after Kate it's my great-grandmother's name) decided all she wanted to wear was a leotard with leg warmers to church. Now mind you I'm catholic and personally thought she was nuts lol, but I let her wear it. Because kids have to be allowed to make their own fashion choices or they'll never grow into individuals with their own decisions on life. It drives me nuts how she forces those kids to always match and be dressed alike.

BARBARA said...

Every thing I have read in the blog so far about the children is so true. Who puts their sick child in the laundry room on the floor(when they're already sick) and go off and leave them there alone. That broke my heart for that baby. Heaven forbid he should throw up on her damn floor. How cruel was that? Something is serious wrong with that woman. Put one of the boys on the potty and turned the light out and left him there. wtf is wrong with her. Its simple..its mental abuse. Kate carrys her nonsense (no messes, no germs, etc, too far) What are they doing for Maddy. She appears to really need help. Kates constant rant about " making tradition, making memories" is all crap. Who wants that kind of memory. Kate ruins every trip they go on. Disney World she turned into a nightmare over ice cream. Some memory. I've never seen a parent cause so much chaos as she does. You can see the affect its having on the children. Jon trys hard to get them out and play....all he runs into is...crying and screaming...because of Kate. Those poor little kids are already suffering from her stupidity. Scared to death to get dirt on them, etc. Its sad what Kate has caused. Jon needs to do something about it for the sake of the kids. i agree 100% with the post...how the duggers are so peaceful. You can see in the kids..how calm and relaxed they are. They have a wonderful mother. She doesnt spend her days whining like Kate. Its disgusting to watch Kate..and disgusting to watch Jon let her get away with the emotional abuse. How anyone could say...laying your sick baby on a cold floor with nothing more than a blanket under them is, ok...has issues too. Or setting your tike on the potty and turning off the light..and leaving them there...has issues. Its abuse on every level. Why hasnt someone done something about it? Like the camera crew.

If i were Jon...Kates ranting, insulting, degrading, pouting, etc would come to an end..fast. ever notice when shes wrong and Jon says anything she has a melt down but she loves to insult her kids her husband anyone she comes in contact with. There day at toy r us...and her screaming across the store, omg!!!!!!! and she has the nerve to criticize anyone else????? I hope it all falls thru with this show...and learn a little reality...for the sake of the children. The kids could careless about the new house. " they deserve it?" Since when does anyone, especially 5 year olds..deserve a million dollar home? Those kids could careless about that house. Its obvious...what she really thought...was, she deserves it. Its always all about her. Notice how she hates if Jon gets a word in? She can't stand for him to be in the spotlight and them ignore her. millions live in homes that are too small for them...and appreciate the fact they have a home at all. grrrrrrr, I cant stand the wench. She an ingrate on the highest level. I just feel for those children.

BARBARA said...

The nail in the coffin for me and my husband, was, the millionth time Kate degraded Jon. Its sickening. I truly believe the only reason they producers keep on with this show, no longer has anything to do with those children. They keep it going because of the reaction to Kate. Shes too stupid to know they are making a ' side show ' of her. Every week waiting to see what disgusting, bizarre thing Kate will do or say. I believe that to be true about the audiance too. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THOSE KIDS ANYMORE..THATS NOT WHY THEY ARE WATCHING. THEY'RE WAITING TO SEE HOW LOW KATE CAN GO. gAWD KNOWS SHE STOOPED AS LOW AS ANYONE CAN IMAGINE WITH THOSE POOR CHILDREN. Like I said before..." making her poor sick child lay in the laundry room floor, alone, while he was so sick' WHAT MOTHER DOES THAT???? What is wrong with the producers, the camera crew that someone didnt do something. Or, leaving one of the boys on the potty chair upstairs and turning out the light and closing the door. That is child abuse on every level. WHAT MOTHER DOES THAT???? ITS CRIMINAL. THIS WHOLE SHOW AND KATE IS OUT OF CONTROL. ITS BECOME A CIRCUS OF, ' WHAT HIDIOUS THING IS KATE GOING TO SAY OR DO NEXT ' IS THERE ANYONE SHE WON'T INSULT? Just like their new house and the people they bought it from. How rude. The ungrateful wench. and Mady, there is really something wrong there...shes crying out for help and yes, she melts down often...but rather than stick her in a room and shut the door...get the child some help to find out what is wrong.
Its not hard to figure out why none of their familys have anything to do with them. The whole thing makes me ill for the children. Kate is too worried about being the center of attention..to care about anything else. Shes a disgrace as a mother and wife...a disgrace as a human being, period.

my9cats said...

Any truth to the story going out that the tups were pulled out of pre-school?
Even if not true those kids need to be socialized with others their own age and to be around positive adult role models that are calm and don't panic or over-react to trivial situations.
The whole situation is disgusting. KON should hang their empty heads is shame. Who in their right minds would hold these two as good Christian parental/family role models? Just answered my own question.

BostonBean said...

I think it was the FIRST time that she yelled "HELLLOOOOOO" to Jon in public.
She showed her true colors there and it has been going downhill ever since.
The most HURTFUL was probably Gumgate.

chesterctymom said...

3ts said...

Dr. Phil and Oprah are after ratings and $$$ themselves. They aren't much different than Jon and Kate in my book.


I agree, I agree, I agree. All of the Oprah, Dr. Phil, the sponsors of the vacations, the places that pay KON to speak (including churches and Penn State) are exploiting the Gosselin children no differently than Kon.

Ms.Peach said...

Everyone in my family hated Kate but I would watch. The Nail in the Coffin moment for me was Aunt Jodi's sister's blog. When I saw how upset Jodi was, I realized how wrong I had been about the show.

As for my take on Jon Gosselin,
Jon is pathetic, whether he is pretending to be verbally abused or he actually is; however, I think TLC has encouraged the "bickering" just to make the show controversial and bring in viewers.

I am encouraged as former sheeples, myself included, have seen the light. Let's hope Season 5 is the end.

Mikemom said...

Regarding a group vote, they can have all the voting they want, but based on past episodes, Kate will have the final vote!

Maria said...

What we as the viewer must keep in mind is that no one is perfect and how we would evolve being in a similar situation. I know we want to continue to see what attracted us to the programs IE: Jon & Kate plus 8 and 18 kids & counting in the first place but fact of the matter is things change people change children change and their needs change. These families already have stress filled lives which become even more stressful as the children grow older and the financial and emotional demands enlarge. Imagine your already stressed life and add 30 to 40 people constantly watching listening and recording your every move! you give up your privacy to try and give your children a better future life finacially ( these shows normally do not last more than 6 to 7 years ). Imagine the stress of never being able to just bumming around in your jammies all day? I think they pay a very very high price just being under a microscope.
I hope they are paying them enough for the the added stress.

Winston said...

I've got one!! This wasn't one that put the nail in the coffin but one where the shark had OFFICIALLY been jumped. Also, notice that they NEVER play a rerun of it. Probably because it was such a JOKE

THE MUSIC VIDEO

Related2Katie said...

[quote] Maria said...
What we as the viewer must keep in mind is that no one is perfect and how we would evolve being in a similar situation. I know we want to continue to see what attracted us to the programs IE: Jon & Kate plus 8 and 18 kids & counting in the first place but fact of the matter is things change people change children change and their needs change. These families already have stress filled lives which become even more stressful as the children grow older and the financial and emotional demands enlarge. Imagine your already stressed life and add 30 to 40 people constantly watching listening and recording your every move! you give up your privacy to try and give your children a better future life finacially ( these shows normally do not last more than 6 to 7 years ). Imagine the stress of never being able to just bumming around in your jammies all day? I think they pay a very very high price just being under a microscope.
I hope they are paying them enough for the the added stress.[/quote]

Sweetheart, J&K (probably just Kate, in reality CHOSE to bring on that added stress - because they wanted to make money. They can choose to stop the intrusion AT ANY TIME, but they keep signing new contracts season after season - and leaving more and more family members behind at the same time.

And you've got it backwards - they GET paid a very very high price to expose themselves. Kate couldn't care how she's portrayed, as long as she's making $120,000 an episode.

Meredith said...

I also just watched the tummy tuck episode for the first time and I noticed something. At the top of the picture of Kate's sonogram it didn't say Kate, it said Katie. That reminded me of her wedding video where the minister called her Katie as well. I am starting to believe that no one in this woman's life called her Kate until they started filming these shows for TLC. Is it because KATE sounds so good when paired with EIGHT? I'm not sure. I could just be reading into something that isn't there.

Enough with the Multiples said...

Final nail in the coffin?...

While clearly that were elements all along that Jon & Kate were just not quite right, I think the show really started going down hill in the last year and most noticeably so when the ""It's a Beautiful Lie" commerical started airing. No, I didn't mistype that...it just seems like what the more appropriate lyrics should be. Because that's what the show has become--one big lie or facade. The point were I started to go 'this is too much' came with Jon's hair implants, the overindulgant baseball game, and the endless Hawaii trip that included a week stay-over in CA so that the kids could adjust to the time difference! And if that Hawaii wedding wasn't the most staged event, I don't know what is. These people are not a romantic couple so in love that they want to renew their vows for the enhancement of their relationship--it's all for the ratings of the show. And TLC played it up like the marriage of Luke and Laura or some other daytime super couple wedding! Well, memo to Jon & Kate--the viewers are fed up and the next TV special that everyone will be tuning into will be when E True Hollywood Story exposes it all for the rest of cable! I really see that coming some day and no doubt a grown up Mady will be in the interview chair confirming everything and affirming how it ruined her life. Stay tuned.

Katyna said...

Laura - I don't think Kate would home school her children, because then it would take time away from herself. I think she is looking forward to all that free time to go to the spa.

Does anyone know someone with OCD - Obsessive Compulsive Disorder? I seriously think Kate has a touch of this. When she sees dirt on the kids she freaks out and I see her spend more time cleaning then I do on mothering.

The episode where she is cleaning the refrigerator...she states that it took her four hours to clean the fridge. Who does that? If I had eight children, I wouldn't be spending four hours cleaning a fridge. I would have spent it playing hide and seek in that great big house. Or prepping the yard for a vegetable and herb garden. Every time I see her clean, I think shes got a screw loose because who cleans like that if they are sane? Especially when there is much more productive or fun things to do.

Sixxlet said...

Meredith has left a new comment on the post "Free Discussion 3/6 - 3/13":

I also just watched the tummy tuck episode for the first time and I noticed something. At the top of the picture of Kate's sonogram it didn't say Kate, it said Katie. That reminded me of her wedding video where the minister called her Katie as well. I am starting to believe that no one in this woman's life called her Kate until they started filming these shows for TLC. Is it because KATE sounds so good when paired with EIGHT? I'm not sure. I could just be reading into something that isn't there.
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Meredith, interesting observation. Maybe Jon calls her Kate, even though everyone else calls her Katie? I do remember where she was taking Cara to get her hair cut, and the stylist called her Katie, too.

Irish-Gal said...

Did anyone catch Chelsea Handler last night? I don't normally care for her, but I had to laugh when she was dscusing the Gosselins. "The only difference between Kate Gosselin and Nadya Suleman is a makeup artist and a TV show."

SwingsandRoundabouts said...

Several people have mentionned how Mady needs help. I disagree. At first I was dismayed by her bratty behaviour, but after watching Gumgate I changed my opinion of her while watching her confront Kate while sticking up for poor Collin. She is the only one of the eight who objects to things and call situations as she sees them. As young as she is, she is unable to articulate perhaps as well as she would like her opposition to the whole fiasco IMO. Not even Jon dares to confront Kate on a regular basis. She is a strong little girl but still too young to have a strong voice against the so called adults in her life. And so she acts as she knows how and to get reactions which she certainly does. How does an 8 year old cry out in the face of a tidal wave of greed, invasion of privacy, the loss of family and friends, parents who view their children as "marketable", and the whole "Are Life" machine? I hope she continues to act out and to speak for the other 7 who are as yet unable to find their own voices.

anon1967 said...

I was uncomfortable from the beginning watching it. The first time I saw it was at night, after taking my sleeping meds, thinking I couldn't possibly be seeing what I was, and it was the medicine when I remembered the show the next morning.
The next day or soon after, there were the daily marathons, each show made me feel more and more uncomfortable, but the bath and potty scenes were the worst, like one person posted about one being left in the bedroom with the camera man after she shut the door and he was on the potty. I could never get past that, and started looking for more info, eventually contacting Paul Peterson about my concerns. My 24 y/o son had also walked in during the marathon, and mentioned how it was like "The Truman Show"
My feelings were if I were to see my neighbors with a film crew filming their children like that, I would have called someone to look into it.
I sometimes watch on the computer, rarely, to see if I still feel the same way, and I always do, the show gives me an icky creepy feeling, and I just feel so badly for the way the children are treated.
Also I had found an early article that quoted Kate as saying that the reason she did more shows was because the first ones showed it all tied up in a neat little bow, which wasn't the way their lives were (another excuse).
I think they don't realize that a lot of reality shows just go poof, and that's it. I also think that she purchased the "Estate" with future thoughts of selling it and making more money, to a development company, but I guess we'll see.
I also thought at the time I was the only one that felt that way, but all I could think of was that it's not a sitcom, these are real children, when you see pain, the pain is real, and that's the saddest part of all.

Jimmy said...

Miss Beverly, the quite lady who folded clothes, moved back to Tennessee. I doubt if we will see Nanny Joan or Nanna Janet back and this morning I just saw the video clip of Aunt Jodi. All of these ladies were kind and a positive part of the show. What a shame. I can only hope they are still in the children's lives even though not on the show.

anon1967 said...

Something else that always gets me, is how she asks God and that's how she makes her decisions, or something like that. I keep seeing her sitting in a vehicle, and On Star coming on and saying, "Kate, this is God, yes, I think it would be a great idea to do a Season 5"

anon1967 said...

Aeris said...
For me, the show officially "jumped" when the family went to NC.
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That one saddened me, because it was the start (I think) of losing the old family traditions. I would have thought that it would have especially bothered Jon, as I believe it was his family tradition to go to the parade every year, his family tradition to pass onto his children.

Chelsea Lately said...

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Chelsea Handler is finally going off about Jon and Kate!!!! They are discussing her as I type, comparing her to Octomom, how Kate is a bitch, etc etc etc.

Said some really mean things about Michael Jackson and the kids, though :(
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I watched Chelsea Lately and thought it was awesome that they discussed it for a couple of minutes. Um, as far as Micahel Jackson goes...he's nuttier then squirrel poop and needs to stay in England. He is a perfect example of what child exploitation can do to a child!

3/06/2009 9:57 PM

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I think he's nuttier than squirrel poop, too!!!! LOL

I hope it didn't seem I was upset that she made fun of MJ. I was meaning I was sad she made a joke about this being a bad time for the Gosselin kids being so exposed with MJ coming back around. I took it to mean MJ will be "watching" those kids. I felt sorry that the G kid's were refenced in the same sentence with MJ.

But I laughed my butt off when that guy was going off about how mean Kate is and how awful she talks to Jon.

Jo Ann said...

I read several people say that "can't stand Maddy". While she can be very temperamental and bratty, she is reacting to the situation in her way. Cara is far quieter - probably holds more in. She looks so sad while Maddy looks so angry. I don't like how she acts either, but I don't blame HER for it. She is SCREAMING for help and Jon and K8t are too self absorbed to see it.

I feel so bad for the kids. There's no love in that house. No hugging, no cuddling, no chit chat with the kids - just barking orders.

Ugh. :(

carolyn said...

Throughout the seasons, I have noticed many contradicting statements by Kon on an episode to episode basis. But the definite nail in the coffin for me was A Walk in the Woods. Seeing Jon takes Alexis' stick and break it over his knee, and seeing her terrified reaction broke my heart. I feel that Alexis always gets blamed for everything, and is constantly getting punished for things she did not do.

lisaboots said...

Gum Gate, Cupcake Gate, Flu Gate,
they're all nails in the coffin, IMO.
The absolute last straw for me was the "Walk In The Woods" episode where Jon told Aaden to "act like a man" and then he (Jon) went on to break Alexis' stick in half and chuck it towards the woods! WHO DOES THAT??? He seems completely fed up with the 'tups, and acts like he'd rather be ANYWHERE else but home with them!
I refuse to watch this "show" anymore.
Jon & Kate make Al & Peggy Bundy look like "parents of the year"!
(A little "Married With Children" reference, for all of the younger members on here.)

realitybites said...

Thanks for that info. As I just posted, I do not consider Jenny to be a nanny, as someone else did. She was paid to be there by TLC on filming days.

3/07/2009 7:27 AM

IMO, I never thought of Jenny as the Gosselin's nanny either. However, it was very apparant that her duties/responsibilities (whatever her role title) were comparable to that of a nanny in that she dressed the children, fed the children, entertained the children, disciplined the children, and where held accountable for their safety and whereabouts. I also agree that Jenny's role in the J & K + 8'reality show' was provided for BY TLC FOR Kate Gosselin. Thus justifying J & K's claim of 'we do it all ourselves'ie, we had no NEED for and or did not HIRE Jenny, it was TLC's decision to provide our family with her assistance on filming days.

chesterctymom said...

Maria said...

What we as the viewer must keep in mind is that no one is perfect and how we would evolve being in a similar situation. I know we want to continue to see what attracted us to the programs IE: Jon & Kate plus 8 and 18 kids & counting in the first place but fact of the matter is things change people change children change and their needs change. These families already have stress filled lives which become even more stressful as the children grow older and the financial and emotional demands enlarge. Imagine your already stressed life and add 30 to 40 people constantly watching listening and recording your every move! you give up your privacy to try and give your children a better future life finacially ( these shows normally do not last more than 6 to 7 years ). Imagine the stress of never being able to just bumming around in your jammies all day? I think they pay a very very high price just being under a microscope.


If there is that much stress, then Kon can 'just say NO'. They were not blackmailed to do the shoe, it was their choosing. A true parent will put the best interest of the child first...a mansion and high end vacations are not always what a family needs. Parents who advocate and protect, thats what the Gosselin children deserve.

momof1plus1plus2 said...

For a long time, people would excuse Kate for those bad parenting moments because she was "stressed out and who could blame her?" but over time, it has become obvious to most of us that those bad parenting moments are the majority of her parenting. She doesn't care if she is a good mom. She doesn't apologize or admit the things that she has done that are hurtful to her children. All parents have moments when they have said or done something that looking back, wasn't positive. The difference though is that most parents feel badly when they realize that they have done something hurtful to their kids. Kate has forgotten (if she ever knew) that being a parent means that the kids come first.

Kate has an expensive new house, a new body, new white teeth but she has gotten those things at the expense of her children's well being. The cost of her new life is much, much too high.

EstherSarahMiller said...

Katyna said...

...Does anyone know someone with OCD -
Obsessive Compulsive Disorder?
I seriously think Kate has a
touch of this.When she sees dirt on the
kids she freaks out and I see her spend
moretime cleaning then I do on
mothering...
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As I said earlier in this thread, my brother has been diagnosed with OCD, which he goes to therapy for and takes medication. I've talked to him about this show and he doesn't believe that Kate has OCD.

He actually called it COCD- Convinient Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. He actually cited the laundry as a specific reason for this: she can just wash and dry clothes and leave it in baskets until Nana comes to fold it (Brother has to-no matter what he is doing-immediately go to the dryer and remove clean clothes and fold them)But will absolutely freak out if any kids get ice cream on their top.

Also Kate doesn't have any "rituals" Ex. my brother always has to put his key in the lock, close the apartment door and then lock it, unlock it, and reclock it, remove the key and check three times to make sure the door is locked. He has also come home on his lunch break to make sure the door is still locked.

Also he got a vasectomy(sp?) because he didn't want to have kids with his OCD. But this was a couple of years before Jon & Kate.

Strife said...

It makes me really uncomfortable to hear Jon claim doing the show is a family decision. How on earth could the children be expected to make such a decision? It's a lose/lose situation for their future. The family's only job is the show. If the kids say no, it's their fault that their economy will be worse from now on. If they say "yes let's do the show" Jon and Kate will probably claim that anything bad coming from it is their own fault, after all they chose to continue. And they are way too young to understand the complexity of the situation anyway.

Anonymomma said...

Isn't Jenny Carla's daughter? The girl who went to NC and San Diego? Or was she just a hired extra pair of hands? I was under the impression she was the neighbors kid who was helping to fill in as needed but eventually went off to school herself.

I am so out of touch with the whole nanny thing. I don't believe in it. A lot of people give the Duggars flack for putting some of the parenting responsibilities on the older kids but to a degree, I don't think that's an issue. I remember helping to care for my baby brother (taking him to the park, baby sitting him, changing diapers even) and it really wasn't that big of a deal. I would feel more comfortable, as a parent, with the help of an older sibling than a stranger.

If I won a million dollars today, I'd hire a housekeeper so I can spend less time cleaning the bathroom and more time playing with the kids.

Harriet said...

I don't believe Jenny was related to Carla. She seemed to be a summer hire only and went back to college in the fall.

JJ said...

ntvnat said...

Actually, I would never walk barefoot on even a modest-priced hotel ($110/night). Nor would I touch the phone, the remote control or the clock radio (the remote control I put in a plastic baggy and touch it over the baggy). Once you watch one of those newsmagazine shows where they bring purple fluorescent lights and show you the feces/blood/semen splattered all over the place, it can NEVER be considered "clean".


A bit overkill, don't you think?

I suspect you never touch doorknobs, or go to restaurants to eat where others prepare and handle your food, plating and cutlery, or use public washrooms, or go to movie theatres or rent vehicles or attended school either?

Do you keep your tooth brush in a separate room from your bathroom, in a locked, germ-proof box? Because if Myth Busters has taught me anything, it's that feces particles are all over your bathroom, and can chill out on your tooth brush, even if it's locked away in your bathroom cupboard.

As long as you practice proper hygiene and wash your hands somewhat often, you're fine. How many billions of people have stayed in hotels and...SURVIVED? Without getting AIDS or Hepatitis? Now, how many people have gotten deathly ill or caught some horrible disease from a hotel remote control?

I can't imagine living my life in fear of all the little germs in the world. The same germs that millions of people encounter everyday, and those same millions of people go home alive everyday, dysentery-free.

No wonder Kate is so high strung!

Sixxlet said...
Yes, I do. Jenny is not a nanny. She was an employee of TLC who went with them on trips. But a nanny is someone who is there EVERY DAY, even when they are not filming. I strongly suspect that Jenny was not with them when they were not filming, therefore, I don't consider her a nanny. But yes, I do agree she had paid help (Jenny) on filming days.


They film more days of the week than they don't, it seems most of the time. Paid, hired help to take care of the children IS a nanny. It doesn't matter if Kate pays her or if TLC pays her. Not every family has a nanny every single day, and I think that's a pretty silly and precise definition. If you don't work every single day, or do shift work, then you wouldn't need a nanny on days where you are home early or home entirely.

Again, paid, hired help to watch your children = nanny. Jenny is around a lot more than just on vacations.

And lest we forget "nannies for hire" and the multiple babysitters and nannies they've been through in the past 4 seasons!

carolyn said...

This is a little off topic, but for those who watched did anyone noticed a lady (or two) lurking in the background always slightly out of the camera view. It must be their hired help - it's definitely someone not shown to us before. I've noticed more of these "shadow people" since they moved into the new house.

Dr. Spaceman said...

"Dr. Spaceman,

Love your name - I'm a huge fan of 30 Rock - wish I'd thought of it first!"

Thanks!

"Joel left sick and alone in the laundry room."

Seeing him on that floor broke my heart. When you are a parent, you need to realize that your children's comfort (especially when they are sick) is way more important than dirty blankets. I'm just amazed that she didn't learn that with 8 children.

"It wasn't that she got so upset about the gum , it was her anger at Jodi. This women who has 4 kids of her own is now in charge of 11 children, something Kate would NEVER do. So don't say "she tries" and act like you deserve this."
I love love love Jodi and Kevin. I loved them in the episode where they come stay at the house (I think it was the hair plugs one). They seem like such great people and parents. Jodi did so much for Jon and Kate, so when I realized she has 4 of her own, I was appalled. Does Kate ever take Jodi's kids in while she and Kevin have things to do? I cannot imagine Kate being in charge of 12 children. She doesn't even like being in charge of her own 8.

I think it would be great if, in 10 or so years when Mady and Cara are legal adults, they sue their parents for the house and all the money on behalf of all the children. Not that I want to see a family go through something like that, but it would be nice if the 8 kids were the legal owners of that nice house. They earned it. Now, I'm sure (at least I would hope) there are trusts set up for each child and they will get some money eventually, but I really don't think that's enough. They deserve everything. And Jon and Kate deserve to be stuck alone together in a 1 bedroom apartment

JJ said...

I think Kate is just neurotic as sin and a control freak.

2badsosad said...

"This is a little off topic, but for those who watched did anyone noticed a lady (or two) lurking in the background always slightly out of the camera view."

Quite possibly one of, more than likely a few, of J & K's hired staff. Although they claim to 'not have any help' and 'raise the children on their own'.

Jimmy said...

Was Brittany Karla's daughter?

overwithKON said...

I cant make up my mind either.....

But the last nail for me was when I saw thier cover on People of them in HI. I had been having a hard time watching, things were spiraling down quickly, and I only started watching in Sept. But the FAQ show that I was excited to see because I wanted to know more about them, HA. FruitKate(love this one!) read a question asking aobut them moving and she did a big sarcastic comment like *Just wait, BIG things are coming!!!!*. Like she was the queen of the universe and all of us little sheep should only watch her! HA.

Then the cover of their marriage renewal, or whatever, and then on the show she went on and on and on about how wonderfull the chartered boat was(that she almost didnt get on) was and it was soooooooooooooo amazing and better relaxation than any massage or spa treatment. What, I cant relate. I have never been to HI, I have never been on a chartered boat, I have only had one massage, and I really appreciated it! LOL!

And then I saw the Say yes tot hte dress thing...................................AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..

And then....Just kidding, I should get back to work! LOL!

PS this is the best thread I have read, very funny, and sad.

redrivergrl said...

Ok, there may be some Oprah lovers on this blog but the fact is Oprah owns TLC now (what does she not own) and noone know hoe to capitalize on money like Oprah! Well maybe Kate Gosselin. For some reason it really bothered me they way Kate trated Beth and Jodi. I mean Jon allows her to treat him the way she does but those two women were saints and were her cheerleaders. She is without a doubt the rudest person I have watched on tv. Kate has a very cold and unforgiving heart and someday she will have to answer for that. You can already see what her actions are doing to her children...the little boys especially. I would not expose my children and deprive them of a normal life for all the money in the world. They could have had a once a year special and paid for college for each of them but they got greedy. They don't even look happy anymore. TLC should take them off. Now they have another one starting. I just pray they are more like the Duggars. Now, that's a family to admire and respect. They still shop in 2nd hand stores!!And there kids are extremely happy and well adjusted. There is something to be said for gluttony and what it does to you

Liza said...

If I had to live with Kate and her constant whining, controlling, demeaning behaviour I might drink too! I cannot believe the way this couple has pimped out their children in order to support their desire for a lavish lifestyle. It's disgusting on so many levels. In additon, Kate is on every talk show lately as some kind of childcare expert. Give me a break. I raised 5 kids without a nanny or any kind of "hired help". My kids and house were always clean and well kept. Am I an expert? NO! I am just like millions of other sucessful American moms who do it everyday in complete anonymity. To have someone like Kate Gosselin shoved down our throats as some kind of role model for motherhood is an insult! I think it is so sad for their children. You can see week after week that there is something very wrong in this home. The picture isn't as rosy as they want us to believe.

Anonymomma said...

Isn't it funny how everyone who's watched this 'reality show' about a couple who raises eight kids by themselves has a hard time distinguishing which helper came from where?

So much for SuperMom huh?

How many can YOU recall???
I remember:
Jenny
Carla
Beth (and family)
Jodi (and family)
Nanna Janet
Joan

That's just off the top of my head, and not even touching the '50 volunteers' she never admitted to when the tups came home from the hospital.

All that help and she still can't cope without melting down.

Mom51 said...

That commercial last night for Kleenex
made me laugh as I have not seen Kate touch Jon in a long time and there she was rubbing his face. The cuddling with Hannah was too much- like a slap in the face that she is her favorite. I did like how they picked the Roloffs for the "adventurous" part and I think the Hayes kid for the "messy" part. Was that a one time commercial because I have not seen it again.

ladylou said...

What are we all waiting for? We all need to stop watching and taping and DVR-ing this show. Let's come up with a plan we all can stick to and totally not watch the very last episode! If only a few of us are not watching and 75% still are this show will continue. If we are as we "do" and not as we "say" we can do this as a group. My family and I are in Michigan, so hard hit with the economy, as I know alot of you are. From what I read we are all fed up with Kate & Jon's greed and selfishness. Well we as viewers have contributed the $$$ for all the riches they have now. Are we going to continue? A small bunch of us that have discontinued watching is not going to do much, but if we can all promise and stick to not watching the season finale' it will make the network take notice. Please everyone let's do this as a group and at least try and get the children back to some normalcy in their young lives.

kate is a cocky bitch said...

...Miss Beverly was also another "helper" who dispeared into the blue yonder

Carrin said...

About OCD:

There are varying degrees with all illnesses, mental and physical.

The examples shared here are very extreme and certainly very serious. Some have their lives destroyed from that terrible disease, but there are people who just have a few things that they can't do because of their OCD.

Some OCDs can't shake hands or touch another person's clothing, but some are very obsessed with rituals and other coping mechanisms. My sympathies truly go out to these people and their families.

Kate can't stand to have other people touch her pillow, (as she said on their movie night), and she has said she won't eat anything her kids have prepared. She really can't stand dirt (from the ground), but potties sitting around all day are not a problem to her.

I work at a mental health clinic and have seen these types of OCD people, and it truly is just crippleing with some of the OCD patients and their families, and with some it is much less severe.

Kate really has some of the mannerisms of OCD, but she has tried to cope with it and has made some progress, but she is still a pain in the b*** and is about as mean as they come.

NoCal Mom said...

TLC is just getting ridiculous.

They're adding yet another HOM exploitation show, starring the Hayes family (two sets of twins, one set of sextuplets). Something like "Table for 12?"

They, too, needed "just one more" and got sextuplets, one of which has cerebral palsy and will never lead a normal life.

The Masches are also getting their own show, though I'm not sure if it's going to be on TLC.

This exploitation and glorification of HOM families has to stop. At least the Hayes family shows people the all-too-unfortunate (and frequent) outcome of many of these litter births: birth defects such as cerebral palsy, vision problems, lifelong developmental delays, etc.

One of the main problems I have with these cases (aside from the exploitation of children)is the hypocritical mindset of the parents. They are all evangelical Christians or fundamentalists of whatever stripe, advocate leaving things "up to God" (even their "begging" online for supplies and various levels of financial assistance--Kate's "prayer list," anyone?), and yet avail themselves of science and the latest medical technology to have children--even after they already have several (in the Hayes case four -healthy- children).

What about adopting? What is not Christian about adopting children? I don't understand it.

The other problem I have is financial. Have any of these families paid for their hospital bills? I am pretty sure I heard the Gosselins did not (and that is a sin, considering how much money they have now), and that Kaiser filed to have Octomom's bill paid for by the state of California.

The hospitals in each of these cases should somehow take out a lien against any future income that any of these HOM families end up getting.

Additionally, some kind of large-scale boycott needs to be put into effect against these channels and their sponsors. Until then, they will keep cranking out these shows. It's sickening. And it's sickening to see the sheeple flock to them, claiming what saints these mothers are and how anyone who doesn't have a litter has no right to criticize because we do not know "what it feels like."

Moons in Leo said...

Meredith said...
I also just watched the tummy tuck episode for the first time and I noticed something. At the top of the picture of Kate's sonogram it didn't say Kate, it said Katie. That reminded me of her wedding video where the minister called her Katie as well. I am starting to believe that no one in this woman's life called her Kate until they started filming these shows for TLC. Is it because KATE sounds so good when paired with EIGHT? I'm not sure. I could just be reading into something that isn't there.

Her legal name is Katie Irene.

It's all about Kate said...

Anonymomma said...
Isn't it funny how everyone who's watched this 'reality show' about a couple who raises eight kids by themselves has a hard time distinguishing which helper came from where?

So much for SuperMom huh?

How many can YOU recall???
I remember:
Jenny
Carla
Beth (and family)
Jodi (and family)
Nanna Janet
Joan

There was also Miss.Beverly whom I beleive was the neighbor who folded and ironed all the laundry for the overworked EXHAUSTED Kate. LOL Sixxlet corrected me..thank you. She did WASH the clothes and left them for Thursdays. But anyway there were also Brittney, Beth's daughter who also helped out, I recall the Utah trip, disney trip and she also worked for Nany 4 hire and was there several times so Kate could clean or "decorate" the house.As for the 50 volunteers that she had in the first year of the babies lives, she and Jon both brag on several episodes that one day they each took 3 and fed them then cancelled the helpers for one day then they did it the next day again until they finally cancelled all the extra help all together. That is their version. But Dr.Phil just let the cat out of the bag when he referred to J&K and how they said on his show they had 50 volunteers for the entire 1 year of the sups life so Octomom would need 80-90 people to help her with her brood.Which Kate is more like the Octomom then anyone realizes. Octomom said she gets no help but she does as we found out, and Kate actually said that it was the governments DUTY to care for her family since it was the health care in this country that came up with the procedure that impregnanted her with all those babies. And her religious beliefs that wouldn't let her reduce. (I don't think I could reduce either but I also would let them put 6 or more embryos in me either!)As for Kate being a nurse and a germaphobe that is a joke. She was a dialysis nurse where she was in contact with blood & blood products, along with some of the sickest patients out there. I wonder if she keeps her nursing license renewed because she may need it again one day. IF she ever decides to go back to work. It won't be long and the sups' will be in school all day...then what?


If Keight is a germaphobe or has OCD, I don't understand how she even managed to get thru nursing school. Not only is it hands on human beings in their most primitive of situations, but there is also a psych eval she would have to undergo upon entering school.

As for a psych eval to enter nursing school I know of no such eval that is required.You must have a year of psych classes as a prereq. but not an eval yourself. I am a registered Nurse in Illinois as well as 3 other states but Illinois is my original licensure state and I never had to have an eval, just a physical check up and my immunizations had to be up to date, along with my CPR.

Until I found this site I never knew so many people had just as strong of an opinion as I on the J&K show. Kate had always pissed me off from the beginning but when I saw what she did to Jodi about Gumgate and read Jodi's sisters' blog and seen the video of Jodi I lost any and ALL the respect I ever had for Ms.Kate!

leesehere said...

Winston said...

I've got one!! This wasn't one that put the nail in the coffin but one where the shark had OFFICIALLY been jumped. Also, notice that they NEVER play a rerun of it. Probably because it was such a JOKE

Sorry I do not know what episode you are referring to? Can someone help me? what was shown and never re-run?

didew said...

Count me in as one who made excuses for Kate's behavior. That is until she put poor Joel on the laundry room floor. Poor feverish, "vomitus" Joel. Someone should of put that woman on a hard, cold linoleum floor to recover after her free tummy tuck.
The McMansion was a turning point for me. Thats when I googled and found this blog. I can't believe they have 8 full college funds, and that should come before the big house. Of course what really should be happening is that every dime should be evenly divided into the kids bank accounts for them when they turn 21. But I'm being silly now. After all the house is for them because they "need" it and are "happier" there.
Kate has OCD? I don't think so. Kate has control issues. Its her way or no way.
I missed the part about no kids in their new bedroom. I still cherish the memories of my toddlers crawling into bed with us if they had a bad dream, or if they got up really early they'd come in with us and maybe fall back to sleep. Just to hold their little bodies and listen to their breathing. I'll always be grateful for those moments and how they made me stop and remember whats really important in life.
I saw the interview with Jon where he says his children are not exploited because they don't work (like thats the only way to exploit a child. What a tool!) Getting up before the sun, getting on a bus that takes you into New York City, being a guest on GMA, immediately followed by Fox News, doing your homework and eating lunch on the bus is not work? Sounds like work to me.
I can't believe they're on Oprah again. Does she not PAY people to do research on her guests?!

NCLindsey said...

I noticed in perusing everyone's "nail in the coffin" moments (fascinating stuff, folks), that a lot of posters are somewhat new to this site. There have been several recent posters who have heard about Aunt Jodi's sister's blog, but "saw the light" regarding KON after the blog was taken down.

I know people have posted old versions of sixgosselins.com from internet archives... is there any way that Aunt Jodi's sister's blog is saved somewhere out in cyberspace archives? The con of KON didn't hit home with me until I saw sweet Aunt Jodi's face nodding in agreement that it was all true.

Cindermommy said...

My sheeple to people moments were:

- There is an early episode where a helper- I think Nana Janet?- is talking about trying to break up the fights between the kids, and Hate tells her not to bother because if she started trying to break those fights up, she would never stop (or something like that)- that was my first "huh? why aren't you parenting your children?" moment

- Maddy- I am a third grade teacher, and my heart breaks for that girl over and over again. When I saw there was an "I Hate Maddy" group on Facebook, I started getting upset. And then to allow a child to be "cast" as the black sheep of the family over and over (Dutch Wonderland, her braces, everything she does, etc.) kills me. She is your kid! Obviously this show has serious ramifications for her. Pull the plug!

-Toys-R-Us, but even more so- her refusal to admit she had done anything wrong in a later recap episode. She just shrugged it off. That's when I became convinced she is mental.

- Like others, "Gumgate" brought me to Aunt Jodi's sister's blog, which brought me to the article about Hate asking for the nurse, despite having no physical need for one, which eventually brought me here. I was able to stop watching before the vow renewal, and only tuned in to see the new house. Now I have to quit again. Breaking up isn't that hard to do...

my9cats said...

NC Lindsey,

This is all I have.

http://truthbreedshatred.blogspot.com
http://www.blogger.com/profile/14359798836747013865

katie said...

In the episode of Kate cleaning the "FILTHY" refridgerator, to me it appeared to be in good condition, and even matched the cabinets, however, in the next episode of Kate screaming at Jon about not using the Coupon I thought I noticed a bright shiney new fridge, was I seeing things or did anyone else notice that too? I sure hope the IRS is keeping up with all the freebies they are racking up, they alone might be able to put a dent in the county's debt. LOL

fadingnebula said...

Ok. I've heard this in too many places and i just have to step in to clarify. Oprah DOES NOT own TLC or Discovery.

On December 13, 2007, Discovery Holding Company announced a restructuring plan. Under the plan, the Discovery Holding's Ascent Media business would be spun-off, and the remaining businesses, Discovery Communications, LLC and Advance/Newhouse Communications, would be combined into a new holding company [8]. The reorganization was completed on September 17, 2008. The new Discovery Communications, Inc. is now fully public company and trades on the NASDAQ stock market.

It's all about Kate said...

For all those that missed the Truth Breeds Hatred Blogs, wrote by Aunt Jodi's sister, before she took the most damaging ones down, I did find some exerpts of the blog:


In the beginning of Jon & Kate Plus Eight, we were introduced to the Gosselin family's twin girls, Mady and Cara, and the sextuplets, Alexis, Aaden, Hannah, Joel, Collin, and Leah. We watched as their daily lives unfolded into the hectic chaos of a family with eight children. However, lately the episodes of Jon & Kate Plus Eight has turned into little more than a prime time advertising spot for many businesses.

According to the blog, Truth Breeds Hatred, which is written by Jodi's sister, not only has Jon & Kate Plus Eight become a mass marketing tool for business and retailers but it has also become a show of hatred, greed, jealousy, and betrayal. Truth Breeds Hatred states that Aunt Jodi was offered a contract to appear on Jon & Kate Plus Eight Season 2. Not wanting to go behind the backs of Jon and Kate, Jodi tells them the offer that she had received.

A quote from Truth Breeds Hatred, "Kate immediately accused Jodi and Kevin of being there for the money. This is what is so upsetting! Not the fact that she refused to allow them to be paid, but the things that she said to Kevin's face. Of course, it was hurtful, but the point is, Jodi knew that if she wanted to have a relationship with the children, she had to go along with Kate and still be useful. There was NO fight over money. Jodi accepted Kate's wishes and told Kate--herself--that she didn't care about the contract or money. She just wanted to continue what they had been doing all along.

Kate said NO--she was hiring someone else. So at that point, Jodi knew she was out. Not just off the show, but out of their lives. That's the way it works. The network would now pay for someone else, so Jodi was no longer of any use to Kate. I know that sounds harsh and some want to believe there was some big family feud, but that isn't the case at all."

The actual video of Aunt Jodi telling everyone that her sister's blog was unfortunately true was taken down also. I don't know if anyone knows if it is somwhere else in cyberland. But the above copy of the blog will give you the jest of the story.

It's all about Kate! said...

The Gosselins are Christian???? I just read that they refused a dying child from meeting them. They actually said NO to the Make a Wish Foundation!

Jon and Kate refuse Make a Wish!

This comment came through today:

My Daughter is 10 and is part of a Make A Wish, her wish was to meet Jon & Kate plus eight. Make a Wish called us and said that Jon & Kate said no. The won’t grant any wishes as they feel that their kids are not old enough. Does Kate know that most Make A Wish kids do not have several years! They really dissapointed my daughter. Fans keep their show on the air! I am a fan no longer.

Chauntelle Hafner
Posted by gwop2009 at 12/30/2008 11:11:00 AM 2 comments
Labels: Jon, jon kate, make a wish, plus eight

Anonymomma said...

It's all about Kate, you are correct. I went here http://www.readinghospital.org/Documents/nurse_cat_section3_0208.pdf which is the webpage of the nursing school Kate graduated from, to check their requirements and prerequisites. And a psych eval was not required there. The reason why I said that is because the program my sister went thru is similar and close to where Kate went, and all applicants are required there to have one. There is also an online program that I know of that requires it. So I assumed all did, sorry about that.

It's all about Kate said...

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2008/08/23/jon-and-kate-plus-eight-gets-nasty-aunt-jodi-tells-her-side/comment-page-17/

For those that have never seen the video of Aunt Jodi telling her side of the story I have included the web address above. Sorry I don't know how to turn it into a hyperlink. Hope this helps anyone with a little bit of doubt.

redrivergrl said...

A Nail In the coffin moment??? Geez, there are sooooo many of them. It's like watching a train wreck. I will say the most painful scene I think for me was when Collin got gum (from Aunt Jody)on his "buddie" and Kate threatened to throw it away. He broke my heart and I thought that was so ruthless and cold of her. Both my kids were very attached to a blankie or stuffed animal and I would NEVER have even thought of taking those away from them...never would have entered my mind no matter what they got on it. She is cold, callous, and I really wonder if there is a soul in there.

Winsston said...

OOPS, I must have left out the episode. It was the one where they make a MUSIC VIDEO like a Partridge Family wannabe type of thing. It went over like a lead balloon.

Diane said...

My Daughter is 10 and is part of a Make A Wish, her wish was to meet Jon & Kate plus eight. Make a Wish called us and said that Jon & Kate said no. The won’t grant any wishes as they feel that their kids are not old enough. Does Kate know that most Make A Wish kids do not have several years! They really dissapointed my daughter. Fans keep their show on the air! I am a fan no longer.

Chauntelle Hafner
.....


If that is indeed true, I am utterly appalled. So the kids are too young to meet another child? It's a little too late to play this "protective parent" angle, Kon.

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