Free Discussion 3/21 - 3/27

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Sharla said...

Moved to the proper spot:

Holly said...
Hi everyone!
I saw Kate last night live at Roswell UMC, Roswell Ga. She spoke for about an hour. She did address Jon not coming to the show. She said that they traveled together for speaking engagements last year and it was too much for the kids to handle. So, they decided she would do most of the speaking engagements without him. She did talk some about how tough it is to be away from Jon and the kids and cried when she spoke about it. She spent most of the hour discussing their story and it all focused on trusting God. She did talk a lot about how blessed they were to have people step in to help them when the tups were born. They also did a Q&A at the end of the hour. They were all pre-selected questions and mostly were about did she and Jon ever get time to go out together alone, how often do they have cameras in their home etc...nothing earth shattering. It was pretty much what I expected. She was a good speaker and some of her facial expressions were hysterical. It would have been interesting to see Kate and Jon interact live though and quite a few people in the audience were disappointed he didn't come with her.

My friend and I have decided that based on what she said about it being tough to be away from Jon and the kids so much and the previews for the finale, that they are basically going to talk about how tough of a decision it was for them to stop doing speaking engagements together or how tough it is on them as a couple for her to be away now etc..and that they are working on it. That is just totally our guess though. But, I highly doubt they would address any real marital troubles on national TV.

I did get some photos of her, as we had decent seats, and will get them up on my blog later this evening if you all might want to see her.

3/21/2009 11:44 AM

Liz Wakefield, Ph.D said...

Wow, I wish Kate would come to Utah, but I know it's too far. Thanks for the post, it was really interesting Holly!

JaneS said...

Thank you Holly for letting us know about your experience seeing Kate.

My personal reaction to the whole thing is "too little too late and I'm not buying it".

I'm sure there are people who will feel that she has changed and will admire her for it. I will agree she may have changed but I think that it has to do with money. It's like they sat down with the PR firm and said this is turning into a train wreck - how can we turn it around. Kate was probably told to try and relate more to people and appear more humble and of course refer to God as much as possible.

There was all the negativity about how she treated volunteers and the begging for free things and of course now to hear her she is just "blessed" to no end about everything.

If she misses Jon and the kids so much why doesn't she just stay home. If they can't make it on the money they have already earned then there is something seriously wrong.

Right or wrong that is just my opinion.

jon and kate are cons said...

Kate must get so bored telling the same story time after time. Kate crying? Please, she is trying to be an actress, but doesn't have what it takes.

So, when Kate goes to her speaking engagements, Jon gets a babysitter and goes out to a bar. Jon just doesn't want to spend any time with Kate, and I don't blame him. Why should he be with a woman that treats him like crap?

Sue said...

It's nice to hear that Kate expressed some genuine emotion about being away from Jon and the kids.

Denise said...

"Wow, I wish Kate would come to Utah, but I know it's too far. "

She is traveling to California several times in April.
She won't come to Utah because her "I have 8 kids" won't mean anything there. Most of my Utah friends have more than that!!

Snerk said...

Where and when is Kate going to be in California, please?

Marie_Quile said...

JaneS said...


My personal reaction to the whole thing is "too little too late and I'm not buying it".

I don't buy it either, it all seems far too sudden to be real. If she really missed them, she wouldn't go so far away all the time.

By the way, when will we REALLY see that nanny I hear so much about? I'd really love to see how she is with the kids.

Denise said...

# 4/14/09 1:00 PM at Barnes & Noble – Americana Way. Glendale, CA.
# 4/16/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – North Blackstone Avenue. Fresno, CA.
# 4/17/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – Crescent Drive. Pleasant Hill, CA.

If you go to throw tomatoes, make sure they're organic!

Snerk said...

Thanks. None of those are close enough for me to make the effort. Interesting though. Didn't she cancel church speaking engagements that were scheduled for the same timeframe?

Marie_Quile said...

Denise said...
If you go to throw tomatoes, make sure they're organic!

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Haha, and then we can hit her with those awful lollipops! That comment made my day!

Why r they still 2 gether? said...

Why do you think Kate chooses to travel and Jon stays home?
Why not Kate stay home or alternate-
Is she a better speaker- or can
Jon handle the kids better-
Maybe she doesn't trust Jon on the road-

Denise said...

Jon is actually the better speaker. She likes traveling with Mr. Gray ($1600 a day) and she requests first class plane tickets and first class accommodations. She thinks she deserves it.

Glenda said...

I to think the episode will be about her traveling more and Jon having to stay home. I personally am glad she's not dragging those kids everywhere. BUT it should be a trade off he goes one week and she goes another. I in NO way think John is handling things by himself though. I wonder how she handles things when she's been away and the house isn't spotless and everything put in it's place.
On another note when they were advertising that each kids got their own special day. I made the comment to my husband 'I wonder who will keep the kids now?' Then I realized they were reruns..LOL Do you think the kids get their own special day now?

Moons in Leo said...

Isn't this woman ever home? Probably just to film J&K+8.

She was probably imagining someone cutting off her cock's comb so that the tears would flow.

Um, if they really trusted in God why didn't they give the Supreme Being a chance at making them pregnant without technology? Oh, I'm sorry. Chances of multiples wouldn't be that good.

I truly believe they aren't traveling together because they can't stand each other. They'd have to sleep in the same room!

Oh Lordy be, can you imagine if a hotel's general manager had to break up a fight?

Half Pint said...

Two things that I have been thinking about:

1. Aren't the tups the same age now as Cara and Mady when the tups were born? Cara and Mady seemed so much more advanced at the same age... I recall the episode when Kate had actually been filming and the girls were talking about their birthdays and that they were twins. And, what about when Cara and Mady are discussing that Alexis pooped in her crib ~ The famous "her shirt was pooped, her back was pooped..." They just seem so much older than the tups. I'm wondering if the tups are trying to be filmed so they are perceived smaller/younger/cuter. I also realize that there may be a delay due to premature birth, but they still seem so delayed in speech and development.

2. I'm surprised that Jon and Kate are actually having a season finale and taking a break from filming and possibly it is due to marital issues. In other years, if you look at the dates of the episodes they were new week after week. And, the episodes always matched up with the years events, for example Valentine's day, etc, or at least were pretty close. Now, they are months behind.

I'm interested to find out what happens in the upcoming episode. Although, I also agree with others that it is likely a marketing ploy.

pamarama said...

I'm new to this blog so I haven't had a chance to read all of the posts but most that I have read are spot on. I began watching when we were snowed in back in Feb. but quickly stopped. Between the exploitation of the kids and the "Nails on a chalkboard" voice of "Kate L'Orange" it was too much to stomach. My guess for the big finale is that she takes the girls and hits the pageant circuit (with nanny in tow)to exploit them even further and make more $$$ while "John Boy" is stuck at home with the boys! Seriously, I believe her latest "literary masterpiece" drops on April 14th so I'm thinking it will be about her on the road to promote it while he's at home with the kids.

BostonBean said...

So....she managed to "cry when speaking about missing Jon and the kids?
Boy! You'd never know that she misses Jon by the way she treats him and mostly....by the way she sits during the loveseat interviews." It's pretty obvious that she hates being there.
Maybe she's taking acting classes?

not a hater or a sheeple said...

apologies if someone else has already posted this, but is it at all possible that the season finale will be all about the huge changes they've had and how they're all having to adjust (and how hard it is)? Ie role reversals Jon home & K8 away on business; not having enough time together; people "invading their privacy" (clearly the irony of that complaint is lost on them) and the troubles of being d-list celebrities approached all the time; being tabloid fodder and people blogging about their relationship and picking them apart? The preview clips are consistent with this..

Don't get me wrong, they're no friends of mine but I cannot see them ending the gravy train at this point with 2 books in the works, a 5th season on the way, and production credits coming up. They need each other to keep the lifestyle going (at least for now- they can't risk losing out on any $$ yet). They're not stupid and they can tough it out for another season until the tups go to school- especially now that they have the financial ability to spend very little time together if that's what they want.

just my two cents from very close and yet very far away.

Ms.Peach said...

Maybe the churches have finally wised up or they don't like the controversy, but the last church speaking engagement was the Roswell, GA one on March 20. The rest of Kate's appearances are for book stores and mostly Southern Women Shows.

Denise said...

Have you seen the new DVD?
Talk about photo-shopped!! Who is that child pretending to be Mady!!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001S7ILGY/sr=8-5/qid=1237585062/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd&qid=1237585062&sr=8-5

4girlsoneboy said...

Denise said...
"# 4/14/09 1:00 PM at Barnes & Noble – Americana Way. Glendale, CA.
# 4/16/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – North Blackstone Avenue. Fresno, CA.
# 4/17/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – Crescent Drive. Pleasant Hill, CA.

If you go to throw tomatoes, make sure they're organic!"

Denise, you just made my day with that organic comment.

Sugarpop said...

I realized that the promo says "It's all been BUILDING up to this" rather than LEADING up to this. That changes the context, and it makes more sense that they would say that and show the coupon-shrew clip. Now I'm thinking they are going to address their marital issues. I'm sure they're not going to announce a split, but I think they'll talk about how hard it's been blah blah blah and what they're doing to work on it. Spin, spin, spin!!

pinkdiamond611 said...

Denise wrote:Have you seen the new DVD? Talk about photo-shopped!! Who is that child pretending to be Mady?
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OMG. Roflmao. That is hysterical. And I think Cara was photoshopped too. Remember the sour faces these two had in all the glossy ads? If any sheeple spend their hard-earned money on these DVDS, I would like to ask, "Why"?

JShine said...

I wish that was a clearer picture, but from what I can see, that DVD cover, does look quite photo shopped. Too bad, but I guess that pretty much sums them up and their lives.

karen0101 said...

Has anyone been to Paul Peterson's site lately? I recently checked in there and there was a full radio interview he did that was two hours long. The topic of the interview was exploitation of kids and he couldn't be bothered to mention reality TV or Jon and Kate. He had the mike. This was his chance. He spent the time talking about an elderly program he runs and old TV and movie stars. He also plugged his DVD. I don't know. I don't think this guy gets it or cares very much.

I love my son! said...

Denise said...
Have you seen the new DVD?
Talk about photo-shopped!! Who is that child pretending to be Mady!!
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Wow - It doesn't even look like Mady! Aaden looks like he is trying to hold in a fart. Cara's hair looks painted on. The best thing about the photo is Kate is holding Alexis.

Jen K said...

Don't watch it Monday. Seriously...I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's not like we all can't see it on YouTube the next day anyway. :)

If you have a DVR, whether you watch, record or rewatch is likely being tabulated. TiVo subscribers in particular...so I haven't watched since I learned that about two months ago. There's always a fan or two who upload it to YouTube if you really need to see it but I actually feel much better when I don't watch.

Don't give them any more ratings/watches/records/rewatches than necessary. Just my humble opinion.

Christine said...

Wow, that DVD cover is TERRIBLE! I guess they had such a hard time getting smiley faces from Cara and Mady that they had to fix it. Someone must have decided it would be a better seller if the kids didn't look so frickin miserable at a celebration of their parents' love. Maybe they were just really tired of hearing Kate say, "We're doing this to prove we'll be together forever. Did everybody hear that? FOREVER!" Gag.

AR Mama said...

I also think the "big announcement" will be Kate traveling and Jon staying at home. I'm boycotting...I hope there are others with me!!

Side note about the speaking engagement in Roswell: Kate has ABSOLUTELY no right (at speaking engagements or on the show) to lament not being home more. Anybody who buys that is an idiot. If you miss your kids and husband so much, dearie, find something else to do. Simple as that...problem solved!

JShine said...

pinkdiamond611 said...

OMG. Roflmao. That is hysterical. And I think Cara was photoshopped too.


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I can almost guarantee that all of the children are photo shopped in. I mean look at all of them individually. They are all doing something different and cute, and pleasing. As a photographer, I know, especially with children that it is SO hard to get a shot like that. It all just looks very cropped and pasted. But that's real life.

SeriouslySerious said...

I have had a minute or two to reflect on this...is TLC's objective to be the new version of the old time carnival where we get to pay cable money only to be 'Barnumed' by watching train wrecks like Kon? I guess TLC still believes there is one born every minute. The LEARNING Channel??? more like The Lucrative Carnival network.

Konzilla said...

Thanks Holly for the information. What happened when Kate cried? Did everyone in the audience weep too? How long did her crying go on? I think it is a joke that she cries about how tough it is for her to be away from Jon and the kids when SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AWAY FROM THEM. I mean what is she doing really? Curing cancer? It is a stupid book about her stupid boring life. She did not rewrite the theory of relativity or the
Bible or anything important. Just stay home lady.

Holly said...

Kate did address why she is the one traveling and not Jon. She said he didn't feel as comfortable with talking to groups for an hour or so and preferred she do it.

I will say the audience was pretty well mixed of those who were on the fence about the whole idea of J&K + 8 and then those who were completely hanging on her every word.

Disturber said...

That DVD cover makes me sick.

1. Does anybody else think that Jon cannot look good for a single picture? He looks like he is smiling for his thrid grade photo

2. Kate: It is so weird seeing kates left side of her face. For the past three months I have not even been able to see Kates left eye because of that huge hair clump. Serisouly what is that?

3. Alexis: She's raising her hand becuase she wants to tell Hannah, "Hannah please don't kill me because Mommy is holding me. I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I hope this won't give you a headache!!"

4.Maddy: Okay Kate I thought you wanted to show us that you are a real normal family? Don't fool us! Maddy would never look that happy to be around you.

5. Cara: Obvioulsy photo-shopped in, but wow couldn't we do a little bit of a better job putting her with the family? We all know that she hates it there..but seriously?

6. Joel: Just sort of hanging out. He has some very weird smile going on, but pretty cute. Who was the monster who forced him to hold a flower: oh right KATE!

7. Collin: I really love COllin, and I just feel that they always worry the least baout him. This is not a flattering photo of him!!!Why must they hurt this poor boy!?!

8.Hannah: "ALEXIS!!!! THIS MEANS WAR!!"

9. Aaden: Same as Joel.

10. Leah: She seems ten times larger then the rest of the kdis, and not as "glossy"

Manda said...

Hahaha that DVD cover is super ridiculous. You'd think with all the money they get from exploiting their children they could afford someone who actually knows what they're doing with Photoshop! You can just tell from the lighting on Mady's arm that she was standing in a different light than everyone else.

Seriously! Kon probably did it themselves. And what's with Season 4 being "The Wedding"? Like that's the only thing that happened the entire season.

NurseLisa said...

"# 4/17/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – Crescent Drive. Pleasant Hill, CA. "

OH NO!! I can't stand the thought of Kate in
my area!

I won't waste my time to hear some well rehearsed PR speech.

I wish a good newspaper columnist would do a hard hitting story on her in CA..

Oh well, one can wish...

Lisa

mollybloom said...

I'll pass on the big reveal episode. Whatever they say will be 1) underwhelming, 2) untrue, or 3) unhappy for someone else, e.g., a Korean orphan, their own kids losing the dogs. a staff having Kate around the house more to bark orders. Scripted for maximum ratings.

3ts said...

Does Kate cry at every speaking "gig"? Because that's what they are..gigs.
Notice she never goes into detail how good their lives are now. It is always about the 1st year with preemie babies and the mean man that fired Jon.(not)Total manipulation of the audience.
Jon didn't seem to have any problems talking to the group at the PA university. Perhaps it is the manipulation of Christians that is bothering Jon.

Diane said...

# 4/14/09 1:00 PM at Barnes & Noble – Americana Way. Glendale, CA.
# 4/16/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – North Blackstone Avenue. Fresno, CA.
# 4/17/09 7:00 PM at Borders Books – Crescent Drive. Pleasant Hill, CA.


Interesting that those fall during the week most schools are off for Easter break. So this seems like maybe a family trip to CA is possible? Either that or Kate is missing a valuable opportunity to spend quality time with Mady and Cara while they are off. If that is the case, I guess she doesn't miss them as much as she claims.

Anonymomma said...

Don't watch it Monday. Seriously...I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's not like we all can't see it on YouTube the next day anyway. :)
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I completely agree. None of us should watch it, on spite. Not like we can't You Tube it an hour later.

Also, does anyone else notice the inconsistancy in Kate preaching from the rooftops about how she loathed the myriad of helpers coming in to help when the tups were babies, yet now she has a nanny, camera crew, puppy sitter, chef, etc., there every day and that doesn't seem to bother her at all?

yeaisaidthat said...

"Side note about the speaking engagement in Roswell: Kate has ABSOLUTELY no right (at speaking engagements or on the show) to lament not being home more. Anybody who buys that is an idiot. If you miss your kids and husband so much, dearie, find something else to do. Simple as that...problem solved!"

I absolutely agree with the above statement. If this is the career that 'God' has 'blessed' her with and one that Kate feels a personal obligation to enlighten the 'masses' by telling her 'amazing story', then most certainly she is fully aware of the consequences of said career choice. IMO, it is ludicrous for Kate to use her PROFESSIONAL speaking engagements as a platform to instigate sympathy from her audience because SHE chose a career that conflicts with her ability to manage/balance the REALITY of her own choices in life!!

Sue said...

I don't understand why anyone would spend time and money to see her live or hear speak. Seriously, they could be booked to have a speaking engagement in my back yard and I wouldn't attend.

Carol said...

"Kate did address why she is the one traveling and not Jon. She said he didn't feel as comfortable with talking to groups for an hour or so and preferred she do it".
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What gets me is the fans will accept anything that comes out of her mouth as the absolute truth. When you think about it do you really feel that Kate would want to stay home full time while Jon travels? I think she loves to get away from the kids and she gets to travel all over. She doesn't have to do much but talk for 30 to 60 minutes or sign books for a while. She earns good money for doing practically nothing and, best of all, she is the center of attention which she loves.

Why couldn't they take turns? I'm not so sure that Jon doesn't like talking to groups. I always thought he was friendlier to people and more outgoing. He might be nervous speaking at first but would get used to it. Kate didn't exactly start out as Miss Public Speaker herself.

I remember reading about when he talked at Penn State and I believe it was for students and their families. The impression I got is that people enjoyed listening to him.

I honestly believe that they don't want Jon to speak because they are afraid of what he will say. At Penn State he talked about a nanny which up till then it was never talked about and he spoke about having the 2 dogs when the episode about going to pick out dogs hadn't even aired. I think there were some things he said in the Utah interview that they probably didn't like either.

Regardless of how you feel about him, I would much rather hear him speak then her.

GailSaysStuff said...

Nurse Lisa,
I live in the area and might go see her. I just want to look her in the face and say, "Why are you a pimp?"

I don't care if they throw me out. It'll be worth it.

Will you come and video tape it for me??

SleepyInIndiana said...

how do you find kate's schedule? I've been trying to find it for awhile now with no luck

Mary said...

Sue said:
Seriously, they could be booked to have a speaking engagement in my back yard and I wouldn't attend.


That's what I love about this blog. I can always count on someone giving me a reason to laugh!

Missy said...

I wish this site offered a clear and concise list of products/sponsors of Jon & Kate. I checked out the link on the Home page, but it links to a thread and it was not easy to quickly identify the companies.

Does anyone know of where a list like this is available? I have already stopped buying P&G products - so I need to know what else to stop buying!!

Steph said...

It sounds like the Roswell engagement was all old material and a few references to new issues to do damage control. Did Kate just start to dislike speaking alone? No, of course not. But, because of so many people questioning why she's always alone now (and because Jon was scheduled to be in Roswell) she had to bring it up)she had to be dramatic and shed a few tears. If she'd truly felt like this all along she would have brought it up in all of her speeches. Kate's gotten nothing but observations of being cold and detatched and it was only a matter of time before she tried to turn things around. The PR people have obviously been working with her to be more relatable to her audiences. But, I hope the people in Roswell weren't too swayed by her tears as to believe the bull she was trying to pass off as genuine emotion. She's given the same speech for over a year, has shown no emotion, has been described as impersonal, and now all of a sudden she's trying to appear as being human. I simply don't buy it.

colleen said...

everyone keeps mentioning the "it all leads up to this" preview to the season finale, but i missed it on tlc, and haven't been able to find it online. could someone provide a link to it, please?

Sue said...

Mary said...
That's what I love about this blog. I can always count on someone giving me a reason to laugh!

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It makes sense tho, doesn't it (grin). If we can't stand to watch the woman on TV, why in the heck would we pay money to see Kate in person? Atleast with the TV we can mute her or turn the channel. On the other hand, I also don't understand why the people who do like Kate go to listen to her speak. On any given day the series is on TV, two books have been written, the seasons are on DVD...I mean, how much more can anyone learn about this family than what has already been seen or written?

Tami said...

Oh I must get that Season 4 DVD! How awesomely awesome! Does anyone think they photoshopped Alexis over the top of Hannah in Kate's arms??

Sue said...

Tami said...
Oh I must get that Season 4 DVD! How awesomely awesome! Does anyone think they photoshopped Alexis over the top of Hannah in Kate's arms??

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Yep, me too. Getting up at 5:00 a.m. to dash to the store and buy the DVD so I can get home and watch it during breakfast. Koffee with Kate, how much better can it get!

CK said...

And what's with Season 4 being "The Wedding"? Like that's the only thing that happened the entire season.

It's not the full season 4 DVD set now; it's just "Season 4 Volume 1" - the better to get more money, you know.

There's a slightly larger picture of the cover image at TVShowsOnDVD.com. The link is http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Jon-and-Kate-Plus-8-Season-4-Volume-1/11420 if you want to risk your eyes. :)

ms0tee said...

So I got curious after reading all your comments and googled the picture of the 4th season dvd and yah that was a terrible photoshop. but i have to tell you all (for the people like me who have nothing better to do tonight) if you type in "jon and kate dvd" into google images you'll see the image for seasons 1 and 2 dvd and the original picture that they used and they really messed with the twins in that one! cara has a complete different shirt on and they put a whole new mady and colin in. obviously this isn't very important but just something funny

Heidi said...

Missy,

I stumbled onto this blogspot the other day. It is called Gosselin Garb. It shows everything that is on the show.

http://gosselin-garb-finder.blogspot.com/

I will not be watching on Monday. I will wait to hear what you all say instead. I am not even going to speculate what the show is about. I have more important things to think about like which organic heirloom tomatoes am I going to grow this year..hehehe

Chris said...

# 4/14/09 1:00 PM at Barnes & Noble – Americana Way. Glendale, CA.
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How funny. I'm in the area and this is not even a B list location. Even a B list author can get an evening signing across the arroyo in Pasadena.

Team Maddy said...

Anyone seen this CBS interview?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4764337n

I love Maddy's comments, I'm thinking a "Team Maddy" T-shirt is in the works!

Erin said...

3. Alexis: She's raising her hand becuase she wants to tell Hannah, "Hannah please don't kill me because Mommy is holding me. I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I hope this won't give you a headache!!"


I almost wet my pants that is so funny!

shell said...

3. Alexis: She's raising her hand becuase she wants to tell Hannah, "Hannah please don't kill me because Mommy is holding me. I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I hope this won't give you a headache!!"

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That was so funny I lol.
Have you every seen all the kids smiling looking at the camera before. I thought I previously saw miserable pictures of them In HI, the remarriage day.

bflohockeygirl said...

JShine said:
I can almost guarantee that all of the children are photo shopped in. I mean look at all of them individually. They are all doing something different and cute, and pleasing. As a photographer, I know, especially with children that it is SO hard to get a shot like that. It all just looks very cropped and pasted. But that's real life.


Agreed. The proportions are all wrong, too - some of the tups sitting down are bigger than Mady and Cara. Whoever did it did a terrible job; didn't even bother to resize the original images so everyone would "match" size-wise.

Denise2 said...

In some ways it's probably better for the kids that K8 is doing all the speaking engagements. I mean, can you imagine those poor kids if Jon left the house for a week??? Would we really want to wish that on those poor helpless kids???

Meanwhile, I have to LOL about her crying at missing her family. They have plenty of $$ (or at least they should by now) That K8 shouldn't have to run "hither and yon" to pimp herself out. Please, in this time of economic tragedy, while people are praying they get to keep their jobs, so they can keep their home, KON moves into a mansion and still expects us to feel sorry for them (eye roll)

The only way I'd watch the show is if K8 came on and said, I've got some mental problems I need to work on. I'd like to apologize to my children for putting them in this position, my husband for all my cruel words and to all those who helped us and have since been tossed aside like unorganic peanut butter. But since that will never happen, I'll just have to settle for the recap here on GWOP. (and a big thank you to those who force themselves to watch that crap so we can know what's going on)

Steph said...

Here's a clip that I don't remember ever seeing on a show, but that is VERY interesting. Kate obviously doesn't know Jon's bedtime routine for the kids (but what's new, huh?). It's just another reminder of how their relationship must really be. I'll say again, that if the camera captured this - how much more of the same happens when the camera isn't there?
Here's the link, you'll enjoy it, I'm sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT3LX1h-DNs

pinkdiamond611 said...

I disagree that photoshopped kids is "real life". Most of us love our kids just the way they are. Maybe we take a few "takes" to get the best shot, but we don't photoshop life's events. This applies to my own kids, and the 18 kids in my Kindergarten classroom. They are happy. They smile. Their eyes dance with joy. Are all the photos perfect? No, but we don't pretend they are, do we. We remember the pictures of Maddy and Cara frowning in Hawaii. They couldn't even smile for the camera, that is how unhappy they are. They were eight years old, they know how to smile if they wanted to. There is a serious undercurrent of unhappiness and anxiety in this family. A picture says 1,000 words.

Steph said...

Missy, If you do a search for Jon & Kate Plus 8 Sponsors you'll find a link to a blog that has a pretty current and comprehensive listing. Also, on J&K's archived 'praise' webpage they listed a few also.

Narcissism Please said...

i'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but the ball-breaking teaser commercial for the finale has been as edited as the season 4 dvd cover.

im pretty sure we all quoted it in saying 'it's all been LEADING up to this' ..the night it aired.
now, they're revealing that 'it's all been BUILDING up to this.'

in just one week, it's been hacked and chopped to pieces (and it's just the COMMERCIAL!)
i believe the criticism [::cough:: gwop ;o) ] has helped play a part in it.

i definitely, definitely now believe the episode will portray something to the extent of kate and her ''career.'' [as has been speculated, and respeculated]
......and how jon couldn't find his balls between his legs in the bobsled [thanks, moons in leo!] in utah, his reasoning for 'this being hard' on him.


i know most are twiddling thumbs for the first tell-all to come out, maybe one of the eight will come out with the book "_______ Gosselin Has Two Mommies"


as per request:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klvOmEf4d9M

there's your finale preview !

Denise said...

"Oh I must get that Season 4 DVD! How awesomely awesome! Does anyone think they photoshopped Alexis over the top of Hannah in Kate's arms??"

I bet she was really holding Hannah

Check this out!!!
http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/Gosselins_34-fb.jpg

Aunt Chris said...

Team Maddy said...
Anyone seen this CBS interview?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4764337n

I love how Kate grabbed Alexis' arm and was obviously squeezing it as she told her to keep her hands to herself. "Gee Mom, how come I can't shove Collin but you can bruise me?"

Also liked Mady's comment about Dad, but poor Cara just gets run over and can make no comment. Mady makes the most noise about how tough it is, but at least she gets some attention. Cara is just brushed aside as if she just doesn't matter at all.

LisaK said...

Team Maddy said...
Anyone seen this CBS interview?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4764337n

I love Maddy's comments, I'm thinking a "Team Maddy" T-shirt is in the works!

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Thanks so much for posting this...I had not seen it yet. While I'm glad that Mady stood up to Kate (and revealed some of the real truth to us!), I'm APPALLED that a child would talk to her mother like that. I wonder what happened to Mady after that interview. The difference in a Gosselin family interview and a Duggar family interview is stark. I know the Duggars don't have multiples other than twins, but their kids are amazingly behaved during interviews. Gosselin kids, not so much.

Kate seemed so detached from her kids...not a smile to be seen. I bet as soon as the camera went off the handlers swooped in to take the kids so Kate wouldn't have to be bothered with them. I would love to have those kids in my kindergarten class...I bet I could teach them some manners. They'll learn how to behave by what they see from their parents/role models. Oh, wait...

Move Over Dr. Phil said...

yeaisaidthat said...
"Side note about the speaking engagement in Roswell: Kate has ABSOLUTELY no right (at speaking engagements or on the show) to lament not being home more. Anybody who buys that is an idiot. If you miss your kids and husband so much, dearie, find something else to do. Simple as that...problem solved!"

I absolutely agree with the above statement. If this is the career that 'God' has 'blessed' her with and one that Kate feels a personal obligation to enlighten the 'masses' by telling her 'amazing story', then most certainly she is fully aware of the consequences of said career choice. IMO, it is ludicrous for Kate to use her PROFESSIONAL speaking engagements as a platform to instigate sympathy from her audience because SHE chose a career that conflicts with her ability to manage/balance the REALITY of her own choices in life!!

3/21/2009 6:57 PM

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In Kate's narcissistic mind, she actually thinks the world will collapse if she stops doing speaking engagements, because "her public" needs her and can't live without her. I truly thinks she feels equal to Jesus...traveling the land and saving people with her appearances. Oh Lordy Bee, she just sacrifices not ony for her family now, but the whole country as well( including Canada ).

If she stops traveling so much and goes back to being just a stay at home mom, then she becomes a nobody again. Adoration is life and breath to Kate now. Without it, she can't function. The fame and money are like a drug to her and she is heavily addicted.

When this circus performance ends, you will see a woman in terrible withdrawal. When it all ends...THAT will be the true collapse of her family. Right now, the show is holding it together.

tallblonde said...

Holly said: "She did talk some about how tough it is to be away from Jon and the kids and cried when she spoke about it."
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Did she pull out a box of KLEENEX tissues and dab away her tears??? ;) Surely there had to be product placement .....*LOL*

Jen K said...

It's funny how Kate needs training and help in being relatable considering that the vast majority of the people who are buying tickets to her dog and pony show every Sunday are Christian moms...hmm, wouldn't being able to relate to that market be rather easy if one was a Christian mom herself?


Always found that odd....

Tetotomom said...

Team Maddy I just watched that clip and did you see how she grabbed Alexis and how Alexis rubbed her arm when Kate turned her loose. I'll bet that woman is a silent pincher. My mama used to pinch me and my brother that way but it wasn't for everybodys' eyes.
Then when she had to call her down again those eyes got big like you're in for it later...

IRATEb/cofKATE said...

I came on here to post what I think the season finale will be about...and Holly, I definitely agree with you!!

If anyone saw OPRAH/read PEOPLE...I am sure they are going to be talking about how Kate's career has basically taken off and Jon is just sort of left in the background and he feels he is at an odd place. The difficulty is that their family is separated so often. IMO, they both realize that the gravy train is soon ending, so they are taking advantage of every opportunity while they can.

Sue said...

Tetotomom said...
Team Maddy I just watched that clip and did you see how she grabbed Alexis and how Alexis rubbed her arm when Kate turned her loose. I'll bet that woman is a silent pincher. My mama used to pinch me and my brother that way but it wasn't for everybodys' eyes.
Then when she had to call her down again those eyes got big like you're in for it later...

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The unedited clip is even better. I saw it on UTube but can't recall the url.

nc resident said...

Holly said:

It would have been interesting to see Kate and Jon interact live though and quite a few people in the audience were disappointed he didn't come with her.

Holly while I am glad you enjoyed yourself this leaves me with more questions. Most of these bookings are done up to a year in advance so it seems, at least last week in Elizabethtown was. Why wait as they did with this and other venues to sell out only then to cancel Jon coming and disappoint fans. If J&K are halfway honest people neither would be booked together as one is at home with the kids. Makes me wonder if Kate could sell out venues herself and maybe she has some confidence issues.

Narcissism Please said...

i don't know, but for some reason .. that dvd cover evokes a reminiscence of pee-wee's playhouse.

mostly on account of they all look extraordinarily goofy,
and, the technology it must have taken to produce such a gaff is indefinitely circa 1980-something.

SeriouslySerious said...

The bedtime scene is very telling. K8: 'Okay is not an acceptable answer"..."blah-blah is not an acceptable answer". Their communication skills are awful. It is sadly sad, horrendously horrible, pathetically pathetic...

Stop the madness. Please. With this type of horrendously horrendous communication, the kids have got to be as confusedly confused as possible.

Also, on a side note: there was a thread about whether Oprah had any ties to Discovery/TLC because of the gentle interview with the Kons. Not sure what happened but found a press release about Oprah's tie-into the The Circus Channel and all of the other learning channels.

www.press.discovery.com/oprah/FinalOwnPressRelease.pdf


Headline:
Oprah teams with Discovery on new cable channel
The Oprah Winfrey Network will replace what is now Discovery Health in mid-2009. Winfrey will serve as chairman and president.

lisa k said...

tallblonde said...,
Did she pull out a box of KLEENEX tissues and dab away her tears??? ;) Surely there had to be product placement .....*LOL*
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That is the funniest thing I have heard all day!

tutuhead said...

Did anyone else notice how they have the cover of Good Housekeeping framed and hung up in their living room?

lisa k said...

Here is my take on the crying scene....PR team tells Kate before she walks in front of the audience..."now let us see some tears this time, it will gain sympathy for you and make you look like a person instead of the shrew you have made yourself out to be" Yep PR team hard at work.
If Kate were so sad about not being with the kids she would be home with the kids..This is all part of the manipulation, IMO.

Izzie said...

Wait a second. Where can you see the third season DVD covers? Thanks in advance!

jon and kate are cons said...

lisa k,

Yes, I agree wih you. Kate's PR team telling her to show some emotion, which she normally NEVER does. Give us ALL a break. So now Kate will be crying on demand. Kate is as fake as they come.

jen said...

I just have a question, how do you find the archive pages of the old sixgosselins page? I'm curious to see it but I can't figure out how to find it.

Any help is appreciated!

Save The Twins said...

LisaK said...

While I'm glad that Mady stood up to Kate (and revealed some of the real truth to us!), I'm APPALLED that a child would talk to her mother like that.

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That was my first thought - but the very next thought was "...and now we know how Kate speaks to Mady when the cameras aren't rolling." Kids as young as Mady do not pull that sort of bile out of thin air.

Momofthree said...

I think that the season finale might have something to do with the way Kate talks to Jon. I think he will reach a breaking point and will go off on her. She treats him like a 9th child which totally makes him look like a wuss to national television. No man including Jon would want to let a woman dog him forever. She needs to be put in her place.

tallblonde said...

jen asked: "I just have a question, how do you find the archive pages of the old sixgosselins page?"

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Here you go! :) ....and happy reading!

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sixgosselins.com

gracie said...

Jen, there is a site called the internet wayback machine w/ six gosselins archives. Here's the link:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/%20http://sixgosselins.com

belle said...

I think we should just stop watching no ratings no show.

Holly said...

NC Resident...When we bought our tickets both Jon and Kate were slated to come. We got notice about 6 weeks prior to the event that Jon was not going to be coming and a full refund for the ticket would be given to us if we desired not to come to the show. The event was not sold out at that time though. It sold out a few weeks after we got the notice.

elizabeth said...

I wonder if it would be good for Mady to go live with Jodi and Kevin or even just spend weekends with them. It was so clear from the "Alexis Day" episode that Jodi understands Mady's needs and emotional outbursts and deals with her with love and gentle correction. To me, that episode was strong evidence that Mady is not just a "difficult child" as Kate and Jon would likely label her, it's just that they are unable to parent her appropriately. This poor kid needs a stable, mature, and loving adult in her life and she also needs to be away from the cameras.

lisa k said...

There must be two Lisa K's on here now...One way to distinguish between the two is my name is usually highlighted in blue... to avoid the confusion. Just so you know.

Why r they still 2gether? said...

Wow -Check out the picture of the family on Dec. 15- 2005-
on the old web site mentioned a few post ago-
Kate has changed so much-
She looks like a regular mom in this picture- she has short dark hair- is very pale- and is
wearing a 2 piece stretchy grey
suit.
I can't believe that was a little
over 3 years ago-

why r they still 2gether? said...

Elizabeth- Kate won't even let her
kids see their grandparents-
or their relatives yearly-
Unfortunately Mady will spend all
her time with her family or school-
they don't seem to have any family friends or individual friends-

Mady won't be able to break free
for a long time...

Janice said...

Thanks, Holly for your info on Kate's talk. I still think she's full of crap and the crying was either for show or she was actually crying about the thought of her gravy train coming to an end. You may be right, that the "big news" will be about their "hardship" of traveling to engagements, etc. Again, she's full of crap. As another poster said, too little, too late. I don't believe that she has suddenly had a "revelation" that her kids should come first. I really can't stand her or Jane and hope they lose all the freebies and money they've robbed. Sad for the kids.....

Barb said...

Trouble in Gosselin Land! Their website has exceeded their bandwidth and is down. Does that mean they are not paying their bill? Can't Jon fix it?

http://www.sixgosselins.com/

Liv's Mom said...

I just watched that clip of Kate and the kids from the CBS morning show. First, where was Jon? I don't even think he was mentioned, besides Mady saying that she likes daddy better. I thought that was hilarious, but definitely not the first time that I have heard her say that. Second, I was surprised by the way Kate grabbed Alexis's arm and that look she gave her later in the interview.

DeeB said...

tutuhead:(OMG! what a funny name!) Anyway, yes I did see the Good Housekeeping framed picture. However, I still think even with all the posh new furniture and pictures, that house is just cold. It has a clinical or industrial feel to it. Too much space and not enough warmth or homliness. It's just a big old sad feeling house. Of course having all those shoes at the front door is just ignorant. You can take the orange woman out of the barn, but you can't take the barn out of the orange woman. My cat has better design taste. I cannot believe that a $1.3 house in PA does not have a mudroom!

On another note. As a Methodist who lives in GA (not Roswell) I am so saddened and disappointed that they had her at their church. Her behavior towards her husband goes against all Biblical teachings even when you consider different interpretaions. It is just not what we've been taught. Yet they had no problem justifying her presence. It just makes me angry.

Sue said...

gracie said...
there is a site called the internet wayback machine w/ six gosselins archives. Here's the link:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/%20http://sixgosselins.com

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I read a few of the early archives and am blown away by the fact that these people began begging even before the six were born?? What a masterpiece of a 'kon' job. We, as a society, created these mosters.

elizabeth said...

They used to sell old clothes that their kids had grown out of? I wonder if it was wild fans who bought them?

GagMeWithASpoon! said...

OMG...thank you Sue for that wayback site...I feel like throwing up seeing the Gosselin "machine"at work so far back

Allison said...

Kate was only crying because she feels guilty she is cheating on Jon when she goes away on these trips. If she was so sad to be away from the kids and Jon, why would she KEEP going? Yes, it promotes your show and Beth's well-written book, but there is clearly another motivation. Mr. Bodyguard and their alone time is it.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Kate finds it hard leaving Jon and the kids ....MY TOE....Then simply stay the heck home Kate!!! Who is twisting her arm? She is so full of bull!

Blessed? I guess God favors the Gosselins so much over the rest of us folks. Lucky Gosselins.

jen said...

Thanks for showing me where the archives are!

I have 2 things to point out from looking at just a couple pages:

1. The page was set up and the begging begain before the babies were born! So rude!

2. Did anyone notice they were praying from new cribs and car seats? Greedy? If I were in their situation, a used crib in good condition would be just fine. Same the with the car seat. Hell, when I have a baby, if any one wanted to give me their old car seat, I would gladly take it.

Why did it all have to be new?

And all the clothes donations, in "Kate's" book, she said she brought clothes that weren't nice enough for her to a consignment store. She sold the donations! If I donated to them, I would be so mad!

CoffeeMama said...

When they were on Oprah, I though Oprah said the next season starts in May.

Sue said...

I also saw Kate at Roswell UMC last this past week. I thought she was genuine. She did cry when she talked about her children and how much she missed them. She said she had been away a long time. She said she and Jon almost killed each other last year after doing so many speaking engagements together so they elected to do them separate. She also said that if Jon was doing this he would speak for 5 mins and it would be over so that is why she was there. I believe their families faith is what has kept them together throughout the pregnancy, birth and all the media attention. As long as they stay true to that the family will survive.

Anonymomma said...

The new house looks, ironically, exactly like my ObGyn's office about 50 miles north of where they live. The new episodes there reminded me to call and schedule a yearly exam. How sad is that?

NatalieCool said...

IMO, they both realize that the gravy train is soon ending, so they are taking advantage of every opportunity while they can.

3/22/2009 8:37 AM

_______________________
Isn't that the truth. Then, we'll see her promoting the 8 Little Faces book and the Cookbook. It just doesn't stop.

wondering .. said...

She did cry when she talked about her children and how much she missed them. She said she had been away a long time.

She was in Kentucky 2 weeks ago .. has she been home since then?

And there were no tears in Kentucky .. there was no emotion at all. Kate was flat as a pancake.

Disturber said...

wow! thank you for the archieves!!!!


kate looks sooo different! when I watch episodes now I don't even recognize kate. I feel that the person she was back then and in season 1-3 is a TOTALLY different person than now!!! They don't even resemble each other! Not only in looks but in behavior as well.

Also, I think that the "big issue" will be about Kate's traveling and Jon staying at home. If you notice in the preveiw Jon says "it really tough, especially for me" something like that. I think it will be about him being the main parent.

Also can anyone tell me what is the deal for tomorrow? When will this big announcement be? THhe first episode or the second? There will be two different epsiodes correct??

JJ's Mommy said...

jen said...2. Did anyone notice they were praying from new cribs and car seats? Greedy? If I were in their situation, a used crib in good condition would be just fine. Same the with the car seat. Hell, when I have a baby, if any one wanted to give me their old car seat, I would gladly take it.

Why did it all have to be new?

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I am truly execting to be flamed for this, but I have to say something. First, I am NOT a sheeple. I'm absolutely appalled by what I see from this couple.

Any parent of multiples (heck, any parent at all!) should be grateful for ANYTHING someone hands down to them. My husband lost his job 2 months before our baby was born, so we eagerly accepted any and all hand-me-downs. My mom let us have the crib I used 30 years ago! My dear friend gave us a car seat her 5-year-old had used.

After talking to my doctor and doing some research, I found out that crib standards have changed. I measured and the slats on the crib my mom gave us were too wide, according to the standards. We were scared of our baby getting his head stuck, so we bought a (cheap) new one. Same with the car seat. A local state trooper told us that car seats "expire" after 5-6 years.

Kate and Jon SHOULD have been eternally grateful for being offered hand-me-downs. They shouldn't have ASKED for new things. They should have just used what they could and made arrangements for the rest. I'm just trying to explain the possible rationale behind it.

Sorry this got so long! Thanks for reading :)

Casey and Smudge said...

I have to wonder how her Canadian reception went today in London, ON. I hope her story went over like a lead zeppelin, but I'm sure Canada has it's share of kind grandmothers, bored housewives, etc who would buy into a weekend of marketing.

I also find it sad that the children were booed. I'm sure Kate thinks that the dissenters were merely jealous of her fabulous family and it will most certainly be edited out. Again, I have no idea how or why she comes across as an inspiration to others. I'm simply thankful that she's not my mother.

Denise said...

"I have to wonder how her Canadian reception went today in London, ON. I hope her story went over like a lead zeppelin, but I'm sure Canada has it's share of kind grandmothers, bored housewives, etc who would buy into a weekend of marketing."

According to a fan review, she looked very good, gave her canned talk and was very negative about Jon. They said she did not mention marital problems.

purple angel said...

I saw Kate today in London. She looked great and is quite a fluent speaker. We got to write down any questions that we had for her and she answered mine which was do they still have the dogs and she said they did.She also answered a question about how Mady was doing with her braces and she said that she was doing quite well, but that she's a terrible brusher. She had on the purple shirt that she wore in the couch interview on sleds slopes and sesame. She really is quite lovely.

jon and kate are cons said...

purple angel,

It's not that I don't believe that you saw Kate, but it's very well known that Kate doesn't answer just "any question." Did you get pictures that you can share with us?

Steph said...

JJ Mommy:
Kate wanted 6 new matching cribs. She wanted 'everything' new. Yes, you're right about the slats and if new parents haven't been informed about the safety problems a baby could really be hurt.

Sue:
"She also said that if Jon was doing this he would speak for 5 mins and it would be over so that is why she was there."

Strange explanation for her to be doing the speeches - Jon did great when he spoke at Penn State. The reviews said he gave a great speech, related well to the audience and they wanted more.
The reason Kate gave was IMO a poor excuse that they hoped would appease the guests. It's well known that Jon is popular with the public and people want to hear and see him. They're not splitting their engagements - Kate is the only one that's announced to be doing any appearances this year - so far anyway. I think they decided they were having too much togetherness and came up with reasons for Jon to stay home - plus they'd have had to contend with the criticism if they were both going to be on the road and away from the kids all year.

what color is Kate said...

So Purple Angel said that she saw Kate speak, and that Kate was a fluent speaker. Umm, umm I'm not sure that she saw Kate Gosselin, because we all know that Kate can't speak well if her life depended on it. I also find it strange that Kate answered a random question.

Somewhereinoh said...

I saw Kate today in London. She looked great and is quite a fluent speaker. We got to write down any questions that we had for her and she answered mine which was do they still have the dogs and she said they did.She also answered a question about how Mady was doing with her braces and she said that she was doing quite well, but that she's a terrible brusher. She had on the purple shirt that she wore in the couch interview on sleds slopes and sesame. She really is quite lovely.

My question is. Why would anyone pay $$ to hear the uber organized, control freak, expert sandwich maker, 'top selling' author, reality tv celebrity, mother of two sets of multiples that is known as Kate Gosselin, only to ask 'how is Mady doing with her braces' or 'do you still have the dogs'? Seriously, that is a question I would ask of my neighbor or co worker. J & K have EXPLOITED their children for 4+ years and one has to pay a price to hear or read their 'AMAZING story' and at the end of the day the most intriguing aspect of their life is about dogs and braces?? I would rather bank the $40 bucks it cost to hear her speak and goggle the internet to get the answers to THOSE questions.

Denise said...

The reason she is speaking is Jon has proven to be somewhat of a loose cannon, revealing things she doesn't want him to!!

purple angel, what did she say about the cookbook?

yeahwhatever said...

"She also said that if Jon was doing this he would speak for 5 mins and it would be over so that is why she was there."

Perfect explanation of why the word SUCKER should be written on the forehead of anyone who pays any amount of $$$ to hear Kate Gosselin speak. Five minutes speaking to what may possibly represent the actual truth combined with 55 minutes of self promotion and hyperbole !!

Fay said...

PR people to Kate--- Kate you must cry, you must, these poor peaple in the audience need to see real emotion,here put this organic onion under your eyes.

purple angel said...

Yes, I did indeed get some pics. I will try to post them as I am not that adept in this department. I will do my best. We had to write our questions on a piece of paper before she came out. She had a few of them with her and answered them as she read them aloud.

3ts said...

Kate sabotages Jon a lot it seems to me. She has to be the best, play the martyr and constantly put him down. Maybe she does this for the same reasons men do it to women. Control and so they won't leave them. Usually when the person kept down announces they've had enough, the other falls apart.
IMO, Kate would never answer any question that she hadn't carefully screened. She will never answer the obvious ones on everyone's minds.

purple angel said...

Honestly, she answered about five questions. I am neither a Kate lover nor a Kate hater. Just wanted to give her fair credit for speaking fluently.

Angie said...

I can't believe that someone would waste $40.00 to go and see a woman speak that is as fake as they come. She lies so much, how do you know what the truth is? I wouldn't believe a word she said. From what I've read, she doesn't take audience questions.

ahnaleese said...

2. Did anyone notice they were praying from new cribs and car seats? Greedy? If I were in their situation, a used crib in good condition would be just fine. Same the with the car seat. Hell, when I have a baby, if any one wanted to give me their old car seat, I would gladly take it.
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My sisters and sisters-in-law are all about the same age. We have been trading car seats, cribs, and baby clothes for years. We inherited these used items from our mothers. None of us has ever had a new crib, car seat or even high chair. They all work just as well as the new ones.

Of course, we would all have loved to have these items brand new, at least with our first babies, but life isn't like that.

purple angel said...

Why would I lie about this? It is neither to her credit nor to her detriment.

Merrilee said...

purple angel said...
Honestly, she answered about five questions. I am neither a Kate lover nor a Kate hater. Just wanted to give her fair credit for speaking fluently.

Well, umm, ummm, umm, could you, ummm, please describe, ummm ummm, um fluently?

colleen said...

whoever mentioned alexis being photoshopped in over hannah in kate's arms on the dvd cover was right on... take a look at this:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/genius/jonandkateS4/JonKateS4_6_L.jpg

doesn't that look like the exact jon and kate on the dvd cover?

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/genius/jonandkateS4/JonKateS4_4_L.jpg

(i think they may have used this picture as a basis for the cover, but the only one who really looks the same is collin...)

purple angel said...

Actually, there wasn't ummm , to many ummmms!

ur times up said...

I have just been reading how Kate continues to say negative things about Jon at ALL of her speaking engagements. Why does Kate have to do this to Jon? Is she trying to make herself look better? In my opinion, she is only making herself look bad. Doesn't Kate claim to be a good Christian woman?

practicaleclecticism said...

I happen to live VERY close to Glendale, CA.
I have put it in my schedule, and will report to you guys the pandamonium that ensues from her booksigning :D

Denise said...

A good Christian woman?

An excellent wife is the crown of her husband but she who shames him is like rottenness in his bones. Proverbs 12:4

ur times up said...

Denise,

Thank you for that scripture. I think that it speaks volumes about Kate's attitude toward Jon.

Anonymomma said...

2. Did anyone notice they were praying from new cribs and car seats? Greedy? If I were in their situation, a used crib in good condition would be just fine. Same the with the car seat. Hell, when I have a baby, if any one wanted to give me their old car seat, I would gladly take it.
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But what I can't understand is what was wrong with Cara and Mady's baby items? By rights, didn't Kate only need 4 of whatever item? And only 1 set of girl crib, carseat, etc. Why couldn't she reuse the twins things, especially since they were what? 3 and a half when the tups were born.

And Purple Angel, please do post pics, or a link. It will lend credibility to your story.

Tami said...

Honestly, she answered about five questions. I am neither a Kate lover nor a Kate hater. Just wanted to give her fair credit for speaking fluently.
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I believe she answered them since you said they were written out ahead of time. Does this mean she got to read and choose which ones she wanted to answer? Probably. How hard is that compared to someone standing up and having her answer a direct question? I believe the reason she can speak without the UM's in churches is because it's all the same old memorized speech. When she was plugging products and having to answer questions, she had no answer because she is insecure and dishonest. It comes out in her interviews. That is different from a canned speech where she is in charge.

Aeris said...

colleen said...

whoever mentioned alexis being photoshopped in over hannah in kate's arms on the dvd cover was right on... take a look at this:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/genius/jonandkateS4/JonKateS4_6_L.jpg

doesn't that look like the exact jon and kate on the dvd cover?

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/genius/jonandkateS4/JonKateS4_4_L.jpg

(i think they may have used this picture as a basis for the cover, but the only one who really looks the same is collin...)


Wow, awesome detective work, Colleen! The first picture was definitely the source for Jon and Kate, but not any of the kids. I laughed out loud to see Kate WAS holding Hannah in the original. Alexis looks the worst in the cover, shriveled and almost non-human. I don't even think that waving arm is hers.

I don't think any kids were "taken" from the second picture, though. From the looks of that awful DVD cover, they must have been going through the scrap heap looking for viable material. For 2009 standards, that is an unacceptable photo-shop job. I made fun stuff with similar quality back in 2000 with Photoshop 3.1.

chesterctymom said...

I'm wondering since Jon's former (and very smart) employer came forward with the truth about why he was fired, did Kate keep the whole "insurance was too expensive" piece in her speech?

Heidi said...

I am good!

It is a Photoshopped pic and I have proof!

This is the pic for the cover of the new DVD.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001S7ILGY/sr=8-5/qid=1237585062/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd&qid=1237585062&sr=8-5

This is the slideshow of their wedding photos on TLC. Go to number 8.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/wedding/wedding-slideshow.html

Even the background is different!

Shari said...

Better to live on a corner of the roof than share the house with a quarrelsome wife. Proverbs 21:9

Maybe that's why Jon isn't at the speaking engagements anymore ... he can't get down off of the roof of the mansion!

Shari said...

I'd say with all the links & proof that has been posted there's not a doubt in anyone's mind that the cover was photo-shopped. (and poorly, at that.) But even without any of the actual proof, have we ever known Cara to be smiling or Mady not to be throwing a tantrum? Just goes to show they can't be real about anything. How embarrassing!

konspiracytheory said...

Two thoughts:

Thank you to purple angel for providing info on one of Kate's talks. I would like to point out that if we are critical of people who offer first-hand accounts of Kate's talks we in all likelihood will not get very many people willing to come on here and give us that perspective. And since the vast majority of us (myself included) have no intention of ever going to a 'Kate event', I would certainly like to hear more from unbiased people who have. I totally understand that sometimes people come on GWOP with dubious first hand pro-Kate stories - I just don't think purple angel is one of them (IMO).

Second thought: I would never use an *old* high chair, car seat, crib, etc. However, as long as the items are only a few years old (generally less than five) and gently used (esp. no car seats that have even been in a fender-bender), there's no problem at all. My three kids used (and passed on) loads of those sort of items - and it saved all of us a small fortune. The fact that KON saw themselves as above doing that was a huge red flag regarding behavior to come.

Tara said...

"My sisters and sisters-in-law are all about the same age. We have been trading car seats, cribs, and baby clothes for years. We inherited these used items from our mothers. None of us has ever had a new crib, car seat or even high chair. They all work just as well as the new ones."

I really hope you weren't using car seats you inherited from your mom! Car seats have expiration dates- most are only good for 5 years. This is because the plastic weakens and will NOT hold up if there is an accident. Even if they look brand new, they should not be used after the expiration date.

I really think people should stop harping on Kate for the new car seat thing. People using older and hand me down car seats is a safety problem- our local fire department (where you can go and get your seat installed/checked for safety) even has a hand-out about it.

Neopla said...

Allison...on what are you basing your accusations of cheating? And why the bodyguard? My husband is gone a lot on business -- should I assume that he is cheating on me?

I mean no disrespect, but I'm not following your line of logic.

Hate That Hair said...

I think that huge hank of long hair is meant to cover what we've always called Katie Irene's wonky eye.

Certainly will not be watching this show, nor do I believe that Miss Priss was really crying unless she somehow foresees her house of cards as tumbling down. I don't think she is that insightful.

nc resident said...

The event was not sold out at that time though. It sold out a few weeks after we got the notice.

Holly not to contradict you but this event was listed as sold old on the website several weeks ago. Whether it was or not I have no idea. The church did get some emails from people questioning this visit, and the emails written back seemed less than polite. About two weeks before the event some must have asked for a refund as a limited amount of tickets were again available. The website for RUMC as of yesterday still showed tickets available. Either way Kate has admitted they do not appear together. Why not give notice far in advance? To me it seems unfair to the venues that have to work on the refunds and the notices that they both will not appear, when it is obvious that they won't.

diew said...

Question - does TLC take into account the hits to J&K+8 when we watch an episode on YouTube?

I'm ready to give up on this train wreak, but I admit when I read the recaps and hear what others have to say sometimes I have to see for myself.

jen said...

I feel like I have to clarify something I said. I said there is nothing wrong with "used" car seats or cribs, that does not mean they have to be "old". I am well aware of car seat and crib safety standards and how they have changed but really, there was no one who donated clothes who also had maybe a 2 or 3 year old crib in their house they wanted to get rid of? I wasn't saying that they deserved cribs from the 50s that would fail the "coke-can" test, I'm just saying that if I was pregnant with 6 babies, I would be pleased with 6 cribs that were safe and sturdy, not necessarily new.

Charlie Rose said...

I believe the reason she can speak without the UM's in churches is because it's all the same old memorized speech.

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Memorizing a speech and speaking fluently are two separate things. Kate does not speak fluently! Big difference. Get her away from one of her speaking engagements and notice how well she DOESN'T speak.

AND

as far as the upcoming episode and the announcement it will be all about JON taking the blame for them being at a different place in their life. Kate will not take any responsibility for how their life is changing. In fact, Jon will make it sound like Kate is doing EVERYTHING for their family. Kate would not have it any other way!

Mark my words.

ceciliaky said...

I'm wondering since Jon's former (and very smart) employer came forward with the truth about why he was fired, did Kate keep the whole "insurance was too expensive" piece in her speech?

In Kentucky, Kate didn't mention that insurance was expensive, per se .. but she mentioned Jon being fired (twice) as a result of the pregnancy and birth of the sextuplets. I'm pretty sure it's the same thing she's said in other speeches, right down to the and yes, it is legal to do that in Pennsylvania comment.

Actually, there wasn't ummm , to many ummmms!
wow! that's a switch from 2 weeks ago!

Dunwoody Mom said...

The function at Roswell UMC went from "sold out" to "tickets available" as of the day of the function once it became known Jon was not accompanying Kate. What does that tell you?

Laurie said...

Maddy has a perfect smile in this photo for season 4. So explain to me just why she needed braces? PHOTOSHOP!

4girlsoneboy said...

konspiracytheory said...

"Thank you to purple angel for providing info on one of Kate's talks. I would like to point out that if we are critical of people who offer first-hand accounts of Kate's talks we in all likelihood will not get very many people willing to come on here and give us that perspective. And since the vast majority of us (myself included) have no intention of ever going to a 'Kate event', I would certainly like to hear more from unbiased people who have."

Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to apologize to purple angel. I felt other posters were kind of rough on her answers after she was kind enough to give her opinion of Kate's talk in Canada. I think by doing that it gives people a very poor opinion of this site.

Susan from New Orleans said...

I am facinated in the monetary costs it take to rasie a family (any family for that matter). I am a mom of 3 with 1 cat and a working husband (who’s a dentist) and who I help with managing his dental practice. It is challenging just to balance my family. I do watch Jon and Kate plus 8. I don’t blame them a bit for their choice to do this show and benefit from the show financially. They should increase their standards of living as their family grows. Don’t we all try to do that? I personally would love to have a dog, but I don’t, because of the added costs and responsibility. One day I will have a dog. Right now we have a cat who enjoys her influence and power in the house. When I saw that Jon and Kate were getting dogs. I thought “more power to them”…. “Good luck with that” and “wow” the costs of food and vet care and all that. I am one who puts all my efforts into anything that I am responsible for so it takes a lot of money for me to have an animal not to mention my kids who I and my husband put our all into (emotional, attention, financial) so pets are IMPORTANT but they are secondary. So I think this is the “big” decision in the March 23rd episode. Whether to keep the dogs ar not.

3ts said...

I'm wondering since Jon's former (and very smart) employer came forward with the truth about why he was fired, did Kate keep the whole "insurance was too expensive" piece in her speech?

I was wondering this myself, chesterctymom, good question.

Youse Guys Make me Smile said...

My two cents on why they don't travel together. Maybe Jon sends Kate because he finds it hard to "lie" in front of large audiences about how great they are and how much God loves them more than everyone else.
Also I don't think if I was married to Jon I'd let him go on speaking engagements by hisself cause he likes to drink and hang out with pretty college girls. So maybe thats why Kate makes him stay home.

FormerJonandKateFan said...

Jana said...
This is the pic for the cover of the new DVD.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001S7ILGY/sr=8-5/qid=1237585062/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd&qid=1237585062&sr=8-5

This is the slideshow of their wedding photos on TLC. Go to number 8.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/wedding/wedding-slideshow.html

Even the background is different!
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That's because it IS a different picture. I'm a web designer. That's not a photoshopped pic. sorry.

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I'm with Jana. It is a completely different picture. I'm not saying that none of their photos are Photoshopped but the ones pointed out here are not. They are two totally different pictures with two totally different backgrounds.

Melissa P. Gentry said...

my kids who I and my husband put our all into (emotional, attention, financial)

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You may do this with your children but we do not see this with Jon and Kate, especially of late. They don't put their ALL into anything but themselves.

mary said...

honestly I've only watched this show about 4 times. (2 years ago) I'm obsessed with this site after my friend told me about it. I don't see how they will afford this house in a few years. The maintenance and taxes alone must be in the mid five figures.

Is this show still going to be on ...in 2 years? The kids will be in school by that time. Does anyone really care about a group of 6 year olds?

Also what kind of church pays her to speak? Who cares what she has to say? I'd much rather hear from a visiting priest from Africa and his views than some woman with eight children. Heck I could just go talk to my MIL who had 8 children. Now that woman is a saint. No nanny, no cleaning woman, husband rarely helped (if she went out she had to get a babysitter) and no one is asking her to write a cookbook.

I'm waiting for karma on KON

ICExploitation said...

I'm wondering since Jon's former (and very smart) employer came forward with the truth about why he was fired, did Kate keep the whole "insurance was too expensive" piece in her speech?

Maybe because he's been fired from multiple places she can say that she's not referring to the specific employer that spoke out.

Another reason could be that she's counting on the sheeple not knowing that the employer spoke out.

WorkerBee said...

Jana said...
This is the pic for the cover of the new DVD.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001S7ILGY/sr=8-5/qid=1237585062/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd&qid=1237585062&sr=8-5

This is the slideshow of their wedding photos on TLC. Go to number 8.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv/jon-and-kate/wedding/wedding-slideshow.html

Even the background is different!
__________________________

That's because it IS a different picture. I'm a web designer. That's not a photoshopped pic. sorry.

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How do you explain the first four children (sitting down left to right) having the same facial expressions and sitting in the same positions, holding the same props if they are two different pictures?

Lisa said...

I won't be watching the trainwreck tonight - I'd rather read about it here tomorrow. If you must see it, they will be showing the whole hour "Season Finale" Saturday night, March 28, at 9:00. Do not add to their ratings tonight.

Ms.Peach said...

I think Kate has been coached on improving her speaking abilities and obviously has been with a stylist. The question is, can she do more than repeat the same story over and over.

Denise said...

"That's because it IS a different picture. I'm a web designer. That's not a photoshopped pic. sorry."

That DVD cover has pictures 'shopped from AT LEAST 5 different sources.

Holly said...

3ts said...Kate did talk about him being let go from two jobs during her talk and she attributed both to insurance costs and how they went to court over one of them. I am interested to see what the former employer said. Where can I find that info.

jen said...

In the book, Kate was careful not to say exactly where Jon was fired from, just that he had several jobs and was fired from the last one. We all agree that Jon is a slacker who goes through jobs like toilet paper so when she wrote he was fired for insurance reasons, she didn't sy which job.

Also, I live in Elizabethtown, KY and no one ever even mentioned she was coming. I only knew she had come from reading on here. Weird?

Tammy H. said...

Last night after Nancy Grace went off, the Showbiz show came on and was talking about Octomom-as they call her. They said that she had cameras around and was getting paid for it, but was also complaining about them being around and all the fuss...the hospital even said they were thinking about not even releasing the other 6 (2 went home yesterday)because it was not safe for multiples to be exposed to a lifetime of cameras around and how it would warp their life. So, they were looking into calling Child Protective Services due to the children being exploited. Hmmmmm, now doesn't that sound so familiar? The anchorwomen on the show were really upset with how this woman was using her kids for money...I see no difference in what Kate and Jon are doing. I was waiting for them to mention KON but they didn't. I wish someone had said something 4 1/2 years ago and not let the Gosselin circus get so out of hand, or Kate anyway. She has squeezed every penny she can get out of her kids, she has blatanly lied about doing the show for their college funds, cause we all know the Gov. of PA gave all 8 kids a big trust fund that gains interest for college. She gets everything she wants and she says its for the kids but trust me, it's for her. She says she a christian but IMO, christians don't act they way Kate does or treat people the way she does.

I just hope tonight that they tell the world they have decided it's time for them to move on and not do the show anymore. Yeah, I will miss seeing those tups' but good Lord, they need to see what it's like to be a normal kid and quit being exploited by parents who only care about money and how to get more of it.

The show was supposed to be about the struggles of raising twins and sextuplets, but that is far from what the show is about. They don't struggle, they have everything they need and want and if they don't have it, Kate will for sure hint about it so she can get it. I can't actually believe that she has followers, what is wrong with these people? Do they think its ok to use your kids and to call the boys "icky" and "dirty" and to have a favorite and lie about numerous subjects (the book, college funds etc)I don't see anything she is doing that is truly from the heart. Just like the "Yard Sale", all she did was complain and fuss the whole time, why didn't she just donate one of the fees that they charge for an appearance ($25,000) to the pediatric cancer unit and give the rest of the things to the needy or Goodwill or Salvation Army?? Yeah, it was nice she gave them around $1900 but if she REALLY wanted to give, she could of gave alot more and it wouldn't of hurt her bank account at all.

Just a thought...they are getting paid for doing the show, appearances, books etc, so do all the kids have bank accounts and is the money split correctly? I doubt it, but someone else should be put over the kids money-to make sure they get it-but IMO, Kate and Jon have ALL the money. And the sad part is, that the kids are the ones who deserve most of it due to the fact that if it wasn't for them being exploited, there would be no money.

1 more thing, Kate is doing all these church appearances, but on the show, the only thing we ever see is her going to church but she never talks about being a christian and her devout faith...that just seems weird IMO. She might mention, while being interviewed, about being blessed, but that's very rare. I don't know, just seems weird to me.

Denise said...

Holly said: I am interested to see what the former employer said. Where can I find that info.

It was in an article at philly.com
None of this comes as a surprise to David Rothermel. Owner of a custom cabinetry business in Lancaster County, he was Jon’s boss (and a friend of Jon’s parents) during Kate’s second pregnancy. He’s the guy singled out during Jon and Kate’s speaking engagements as the man who “did not want to insure [Jon] … they let him go.” However, Rothermel says — and supporting documents prove — that Jon Gosselin was fired for other reasons. The state unemployment office ruled that Jon improperly did a side job on company time; furthermore, Rothermel claims that before the babies were even born, Jon was on the phone and the Internet soliciting freebies, boasting openly that he was never going to have to work again.
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon_and_kate_gosselin/page4

tallblonde said...

Tammy H said "Just a thought...they are getting paid for doing the show, appearances, books etc, so do all the kids have bank accounts and is the money split correctly?"
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Now Tammy, of course not - don't be silly - because, remember just as Jon & Kate have said "...the kids aren't working" but - surely you realize that Jon & Kate ARE working - and as Kate said "It (the show) is the hardest job we've ever had"...but don't think for a minute anyone is working but Jon & Kate - therefore, no one but Jon & Kate should be paid for their "work".

;)

Canadian Made said...

There are so many comments to read (which I love), so I don't know if anything has yet been posted about the following item. Hopefully the link will work. It's very interesting to me how KON wasn't included in the category of "good reasons to do the show"!
http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=7148660

Heidi said...

How do you explain the first four children (sitting down left to right) having the same facial expressions and sitting in the same positions, holding the same props if they are two different pictures?
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Thank you Worker Bee! I should have clarified.
Two of the boys and Hannah are posed EXACTLY the same in both pictures. Collin has the EXACT facial expression in both pics but different body. He is holding a yellow flower but his hand is missing. They put in a different pic of Leah so you could see her face.

Sadie said...

I don't think it's correct to state that the PA governor gave the tups big trust funds for college. I believe he set up TAP accounts for each tup. These are funds that the Gosselins (or anyone else) can contribute to up to a certain amount each year. How much money is in them (and who made the contributions) is probably not public information.

I've often wondered why Kate gets crap for saying boys are "icky" and "dirty" when the Mrs. Duggar has made similar comments about boys and yet she is held up as the perfect Christian wife and mother. Granted she is much kinder in her comments but it is essentially the same message. Is it just the delivery or what?

The job issue is all about perspective. No employer in the right mind would admit to firing an employee for an illegal reason. Do you think it doesn't happen? I'm willing to believe that there was some justification for Jon losing his job from the employer's perspective as well as the potential costly insurance issue from Jon's perspective and that neither one is lying.

Tinab418 said...

While I haven't watched this show for over a year, I feel compelled to comment on the subject of "begging for new carseats and cribs".

Carseats that have been in even the slightest car accident should be discarded and new ones should be purchased. Not everyone realizes this. In my area, Goodwill will not accept donations of carseats for this reason. They pose a danger of failing and seriously injuring a child.

Older cribs also pose potential safety hazards. The slats should not be far enough part to insert a soda can (by its bottom) and not one ioata larger than neccessary. Cribs also sometimes have a "teething rail" that can become hazardous as it ages. The plastic can crack or come off in chips for the child to ingest or worse, choke on.

While I suspect that their begging was in poor taste, it should be noted that on these two items, it might not have been such a bad idea for them to be new.

Laura said...

During recent repeat I saw the Walk In the Woods episode for the first time. What an eye opening episode.

I have some concerns about the Gosselin boys. It seems like the girls are favored at every turn. Boys are usually referred to in a negative way (icky, dirty, etc). Girls are always being held and cuddled. Boys are on their own.

On this episode, we see three Gosselin boys, pouting, whining and crying because they can't deal with going for a walk in the woods.

Isn't part of being a Christian to raise your children up right? Where is the manly/fatherly influence in the lives of these boys? They seem so pansy and whiny and afraid of everything. How sad.

Jon needs to find his testicles and start using them. He needs to show his sons affection and help them be loving, kind, strong men... not the whipped little wusses they've turned into.

Chuck Melrose said...

Sadie says "I've often wondered why Kate gets crap"



Because Kate dishes the crap and gets it back in return. You get what you get.

jill said...

I hate to say it, but I am watching tonight.

I agree, it might be about her traveling. It could be about the dogs...doubt it will be about their marriage.

Maybe they got rid of the dogs because she is traveling so much? ;)

Daner said...

Neopla - I think Allison is addressing other internet rumors that Kate and her bodyguard are having an affair. He is quiet good looking and travels on all her extended trips away from home.

Sadie said...

Chuck Melrose said...
Sadie says "I've often wondered why Kate gets crap"



Because Kate dishes the crap and gets it back in return. You get what you get.

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I think you missed my point or misunderstood my question. The question is why do we treat Kate and Michelle Duggar different when they have expressed similar opinions about their boys?

overwithKON said...

Over the weekend I read through all of the 2005 Reading Eagle blog entries.

I am just appalled by all the crap that these two freeloaders have pulled and continue to pull. It is just shocking that they can act like they are the only people on the planet that matter. Those posts were all by people who lived in thier area, and paid for KONS antics, and I cannto beleive that they still think they are entitiled to EVERYTHING!

Thanks for letting me VENT! LOL!

my9cats said...

Chuck Melrose said...
Sadie says "I've often wondered why Kate gets crap"



Because Kate dishes the crap and gets it back in return. You get what you get.


And don't get upset!
Sorry......devil made me do it!

Addison said...

Okay, I just checked out the S4 DVD cover on google. Wow...that was even worse than I expected. Alexis in Kate's arms with her arm out like that just looks so...cheesy. Almost like something out of a cartoon. In fact, the whole thing looks cheesy and kind of cartoonish. Kate is probably the only one who looks remotely decent on that cover.

That said, the 3rd season DVD cover (which is also the image on the J&K+8 page on TLC) actually isn't too bad. At least it looks somewhat professional, IMO.

KatieInOhio said...

Has the Etown house sold? It is no longer listed.

Shari said...

To Chuck Melrose;
You forgot to finish Kon's saying: "You get what you get and you don't get upset." So I don't want to hear Kate whine about a thing. You reap what you sow and someday, Kate ..... MEGA REAP!

Betsy in PA said...

In the Sesame St. Live show, Kate was "shocked" to have box seats - she didn't know they'd be able to walk around, but "how nice".

That's a load of crap - They parked in a special lot right next to the "Suites" entrance. You can see the sign on the door as they enter. And you can certainly tell it isn't the main entrance where everyone else enters!

I agree with many other posters - this show jumped the shark when they stopped being a normal family and started getting special treatment for every occasion. 99% of the rest of the world will never see special perks like this, so how can anyone relate? Hopefully, now that the kids are used to being treated like royalty everywhere they go, it will continue... Wouldn't want them to have to endure waiting in lines, sitting in the "cheap seats", or NOT getting to meet and greet the stars of the show at each event.

TLCexploitsChildren said...

...Kate did talk about him being let go from two jobs during her talk and she attributed both to insurance costs and how they went to court over one of them. I am interested to see what the former employer said. Where can I find that info
I'm surprised a bolt of lightening doesn't come and strike her dead with all the lies she tells while in a church. I'd have printed a copy of this
http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon_and_kate_gosselin/page4
and handed it around.
Sadie said..
The job issue is all about perspective. No employer in the right mind would admit to firing an employee for an illegal reason. Do you think it doesn't happen? I'm willing to believe that there was some justification for Jon losing his job from the employer's perspective as well as the potential costly insurance issue from Jon's perspective and that neither one is lying.

It went before the unemployment commission and there was a hearing. The records are public. She's lying. He was fired for "stealing time". He was doing side jobs while at his job as well as making the begging for new and matched sets of everything. The employer doesn't have to lie. They aren't going to fire someone for having a pregnant wife. She could have miscarried the whole batch so it may not have made any difference in the insurance in the long run. The employer could prove his case and therefore Jon didn't get unemployment benefits. As for the second job he lost while she was pregnant again I really don't think it was related to her pregnancy as by that time I doubt the pregnancy would be able to be put on a current policy as most plans has a number of months before they'd pay for pre-existing conditions. Though I do wonder if he was fired why they didn't take that before the unemployment commission. Guess he got caught again doing something like just not bothering to show up for work.

Stef said...

For everyone discussing the DVD cover.... They are the same pictures. Look at Jon and Kate. I looked at both and then kept clicking my back button to compare the two. Jon has the same exact body position, same pieces of hair on his forehead, same cress in his shorts, same flower and necklace position. and the same with Kate, her necklaces and straps are in the same position. Now, for everyone saying the pictures are different....how is that possible for every single thing to be the same if they used two different pictures?

Im no pro, but i seriously think that I could of done a beter job with this DVD cover.

my9cats said...

KatieInOhio said...
Has the Etown house sold? It is no longer listed.

3/23/2009 2:30 PM

Just checked.
It's still on Zwillow and the brokers website listed at 325K.

Jane said...

Sadie said:

I've often wondered why Kate gets crap for saying boys are "icky" and "dirty" when the Mrs. Duggar has made similar comments about boys and yet she is held up as the perfect Christian wife and mother. Granted she is much kinder in her comments but it is essentially the same message. Is it just the delivery or what?


I watch The Duggars from time to time, and I don't recall Mrs. Duggar making any such sorts of comments. I will agree that the Duggars do seem to prepare their children for "traditional" roles, but both Mr. and Mrs. Duggar seem to embrace and enjoy the aspects that make each of their children individual. I don't see any sort of "ewww, the boys are icky" attitude from either of them.

Kate, on the other hand, has said on numerous times on film that boys are "icky" "gross" "dirty" and otherwise ewwwy!

She also pokes fun at the boys if they behave in a way she thinks is feminine. For example, when Collin chose to stay at the house rental the 2nd day they were on their ski trip, Kate laughed at him for staying with all the girls. She pokes fun at her boys with a mean-spirited undertone that's very ugly and unfortunately since that sort of treatment has been drummed into them from the beginning, they're going to forever have that echo in the back of their heads - "you're yucky, you're too girly, you're dirty and gross." Nice huh?

Paisley said...

I've often wondered why Kate gets crap for saying boys are "icky" and "dirty" when the Mrs. Duggar has made similar comments about boys and yet she is held up as the perfect Christian wife and mother.

What makes you think the same people are criticizing Kate as are holding up Michelle? I haven't even seen anyone hold Michell up as the "perfect Christian wife and mother", but even if they are, why would you assume they are the same ones criticizing Kate?

The question is why do we treat Kate and Michelle Duggar different when they have expressed similar opinions about their boys?

Hmm... I've heard Michelle say things like, "boys will be boys", but it has been in an indulgent, affectionate tone... what are you referring to exactly?

I think both the Gosselins AND the Duggars are exploiting their children, but I think that -- unlike the Gosselins -- the Duggars do at least have other redeeming qualities.

DeeB said...

Maybe the Duggers are exploiting their children and maybe their religious beliefs are not mine, and maybe they make mistakes but they have two major differences from Jon and Kate. They have love and humility.

These are two qualities totally lacking from the Konsters. I'm sure they love their children, but they definitely do not love each other the way the Duggers do. And I have never seen one ounce of humility from them, especially Kate.

I believe this is why the Duggers don't bother me the way the Kon's do.

MayDay said...

To the poster who asked if the E-town house is sold...Zillow still has it listed 325,000 and links you to the selling website. So I say no it has not, unless someone knows something else.

Anonymomma said...

Certainly seems to be a lot of defensive posts today, in favor of Jane and Keight, and oddly enough only hours away from the big 'reveal'...

Aunty Anne said...

In reference to Kate and Michelle Duggar's treatment of their boys:

Kate was cutting Aaden's fingernails one day, and she had such disgust in her face and in her voice.

She said something about not knowing if Aaden does "scratch his hiney" but she obviously was visualizing Aaden with "poop" under his finger nails.

Kate does indeed have a "poop obsession," and we never get through an episode without her saying the word at least once.

Now, visualize Michelle in exactly that scenario. Nope, wouldn't happen.

Never would she show such obvious disgust with any of her kids, and never would she say anything in such a repulsed way.

hookersNcocaine said...

The children should not be allowed to take lollipops if their wonderful mother does not have to pay for haircuts. I cannot wait until this newly found money runs out for Kate. Then you and I WILL be responsible for her children as our taxrs will pay for her to live thru social services. Karma is a bitch and it will make for good TV when kate hits rock bottom

emma said...

Okay gang, I'm trying to play devil's advocate and find one nice thing to say about Ms. Katie Irene.....unfortunately I can't! She's a hot mess. TLC needs to wrap it up and call it a day. Enough already!!!

Sue said...

Who thinks that we just saw the last episode of Jon and kate ploous Eight?

GaylePA said...

They looked to have been very separate in many ways . Even at the end . She wrote on the far right of the walls , he wrote on the far left . She walked away and he walked away alone to the left . She wrote Adios on her comments , I believe .One of them asked if he/she should take a sledgehammer to the set . Neither of them look happy . Kate says she is very happy and Jon is definately not happy . I found the entire program to be boring - sorry TLC - but it just doesn't instruct , entertain , enlighten , at all in my opinion . The arguing and whining of the children is just not fun .

AhBaby1 said...

So,I saw the last episode of season 4,what exactly did John expect when he elected to put himself and his family on T.V.?
Privacy is not a "given" especially to people in the spotlight, granted he's not the
President of the USA,but he is a dad of eight and should use a bit
of decorum when being photographed
with "Fans"

Anonymomma said...

Random observations:

1) They blur out the license plate on the sprinter. While I understand why, did they not post several pics of it on their own website, where anyone can go and retrieve them thru the wayback machine? And like navy blue Dodge Sprinters are so common that you wouldn't recognize them by vehicle alone. Who would actually need to see the plate? Besides, Kate's 'aura' can now be seen from space.

2) The soup and a surprise episode where she cracks the top of the stove? When they are in the hot seat, she makes fun of Jon for calling a button a dial or something on the stove. He clearly says : "Yeah? Well at least I admit I don't cook'.

samkay said...

can someone please tell me what did happen to Aunt Jodi and with Beth? There are references all the time but I've never actually heard.

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