Free Discussion 3/14 - 3/20

Please use this area for discussion about the Gosselins that doesn't fit in a better spot. This is where to put all those "I don't know where to put this" comments. Thank you.

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Little Miss NASCAR said...

The Kate hairstyle iss alive and well in Copley/Akron Ohio. I was visting a friend for the weekend and just about every other woman in the cars we passed had that hair. Yikes! And no offense to anyone who lives there. I made the comment to my friend and she thought it was funny.

bertie22 said...

I found a comment on the Topix board in Brandenburg (Kentucky? I'm Canadian, and don't know my American geography) and it started as a thread asking if it was true that Kate would be speaking at FCC. A few people answered 'yes', but after the show was over a few people posted that it was quite boring and Kate seemed uninterested and gave her memorized speech. You can tell they weren't among the enlightened (GWoP) because 1)they bought tickets to see KATE and 2) they tried to comment on the good ie. but she looked skinny and pretty, which is more than I would have given her. And just like any Sheeple, this girl loses her MIND because the people didn't rave about how great it was to meet Queen Freebie.

"You people kill me on here. You shouldn't have even wsted your time going to see someone that you didn't care for much anyway. I would have loved to see Kate Gosselin in person. I asked on here earlier in the week how I could get a ticket and NOBODY responded and then you all go and don't even appreciate the damn talk! This is really crazy in my opinion. You are supposedly christian people! Surprise surprise I don't know why I expected anything more from such "good christian people." Next time keep you a**es at home since you don't even have anything nice to say about her! You were only out to see "how thin she was" and "her dry attitiude"

Yeah....sounds real christian. It seems that hardcore christians use it as a label to hide behind which is code for "holier-than-thou" that exempts them from judgement but allows them to cast judgement, valid or not, on others. Faith is something you feel, not something you do or say. These sheeple call themselves Christians, but their "loyalty" to Jon and Kate is so fierce and aggressive it's alarming. They are so nasty about it that the thought of my children going to school with their children frightens me.
How can you feel so much loyalty and blind adoration for someone you don't even know?
It's funny that the main sheeple retort is "you're just jealous" and i can honestly say that most of us are aware that we are jealous of the STUFF and MONEY is such a crap economy, but none of us would switch places with Kon. And isn't that the true test of jealousy? The woman who posted this is a true sheeple and was so jealous of the people who had tickets that she lashed out insanely at them. And the sense of entitlement in the whole "you didnt even like Kate, why didnt you offer me your ticket" just demonstrates that sense of entitlement like "IM special, I deserve it!!"
I fear that this is just the beginning of a dramatic shift in parenting. My generation of entitled brats and whiny "It is my RIGHT" types are settling down to procreate and they are honestly just children in grownup bodies. This is why Kate is so successful. All of the girls in my highscool were hellbent on having babies early (not pregnancy pact early, but pre-25 early) because they wanted to be MILFs. If you look at moms of 20 years ago vs. moms of now, there is definitely a trend of "look how hot I am at 30 or 40" and of walking around with perfect hair and makeup with a trendy-looking baby on your gym-sculpted hip. They identify with Kate because she makes them feelbetter about themselves. They are all in unhappy marriages because they married the guy in college who would make pretty babies and decent money, regardless of the fact that he might be a womanizing alcoholic, and they are Kate's cheerleaders because it justifies living an unhappy life to have the finer things. Most of them wouldn't do anything different from Kate. But the good thing about these people is that they are fickle and as soon as something new comes along, they'll move on. it's like a pretty, shiny thing to them. They can't help themselves.

Alice said...

I have a hairstyle similar to Kate's, but not as spikey or gelly (or stripey for that matter) I don't mind her hairstyle, in fact I think she wears it well, but I don't like her attitude or personality.

Crafty44 said...

That's funny. I live in Akron Ohio. I will have to pay more attention. It would not work for me on a number of levels.

Just moved said...

Last night I couldn't get to sleep so got up to watch some TV. I have to comment on several things I noticed on a rerun of the trip to the vet. First of all, I don't know why I didn't notice this before but I was shocked at the condition of the entry hall of the new mansion. Who in the world would make that entry with its magnificent staircase into a mudroom? I couldn't believe all of the crap laying around including the rack of shoes. It made one thing clear to me - Kate's new TV gig will definitely have nothing to do with home decorating. Doesn't this house have a rear entry into the kitchen? It certainly doesn't appear to be a well-laid out home for a large family with young children.

I also got to see the nanny in the reflection of the van. She appears to be a little older and since I remember Jon saying she was from Taiwan I wonder if she speaks much english. Once again, not a very good substitute for a mother for kids whose mother is seldom around. Maybe she isn't a nanny at all but the ghost writer for the new cookbook.

As to the trip to pick up the dog following surgery I am positive it was all staged. Why would Jon have to take 8 kids to pick up the dog when they were all in school that afternoon? I still think the people at TLC think we are morons out here.

Sorry for going on but I just wanted to get my thoughts down before I forget them.

ihateeveryone said...

One of the contestants on American Idol has the same 'do.

konspiracytheory said...

Something I've been wondering about...

I am not Protestant (Irish Catholic), so forgive my ignorance - is it a problem that KON drink alcohol? I'm only asking b/c a few people have pointed out that (in their view) it was hypocritical of KON to call themselves Christians and drink (cited examples have been Jon's 30th b-day dinner, outer banks vacation, bottle of wine in fridge door, etc.).. Just wondering how people who belong to their 'type' of church feel about the topic.

Debbie Beck said...

So, 'Skunk' is the new 'Rachel' ?

twins241 said...

ihateeveryone said...
One of the contestants on American Idol has the same 'do.

LMAO....Lil Rounds. I though the same thing.

bertie22 said...

I believe "striped chicken butt" is the new "rachel"

ConceptofMultiplesisGettingOld said...

America is full of "followers". Some people look up to celebrities, sports stars, people on tv, etc. and many times, they want to be just like them. This is one reason why I think Octomom did what she did....she sees different families with multiples on tv getting freebies and so she wanted to "cash in" on it.

I think TLC is shameful!! I mean, how many multiples shows can they have? THE ENTIRE CONCEPT OF WATCHING MULTIPLES FAMILIES IS GETTING OLD!! Yes, it was cute when Jon and Kate were new and the concept was new. It was even cute when the Duggars entered the scene with their conservative views and different ways of living life (I LOVE the Duggars by the way). Now, TLC and the media are just trying to cash in on the concept of multiple families and it is getting very tiring. Table for 12? Are they serious? Who really cares anymore?

So apparantly all I have to do to become "rich and famous" is go get fertility treatments, have a litter of children, and I will be set for life. No thank you!

WhoseGonnaPay? said...

One question I have about the new house:

Who is going to pay for it when Jon and Kate's 5 minutes of fame is up?

Even if TLC bought the house for Jon and Kate, who is going to pay for the upkeep when they don't have tons of money coming in (it is bound to happen....people are already sick of them)? They will still have utilities, property taxes, maintenance, etc. to pay for. Who is going to do it? IT BETTER NOT BE THE TAXPAYERS but I'm pretty sure they will go to the state and beg for assistance because "their kids NEED the house".

GIVE ME A BREAK!

sad stuff said...

Truly they are a horrible example of a christian believer. To whom much is given much is expected. I don't envy them. They have alot to answer for. They HAVE to know that!!

one_lovable_cutiepie said...

2 questions that are on my mind , I was wondering if anyone knew…

1. Multiple Blessings the book. Why isn’t Beth at any of the book signings? She is part of this book as much as Mommy Dearest. ( Did her and Kate have a disagreement to?)

2. Kate and her infertility treatments. If most insurance company’s do not pay for this service. How did they afforded this 2 times ?

if this has already been asked countless times. I'm sorry

timetogokon said...

If you look at moms of 20 years ago vs. moms of now, there is definitely a trend of "look how hot I am at 30 or 40" and of walking around with perfect hair and makeup with a trendy-looking baby on your gym-sculpted hip. They identify with Kate because she makes them feelbetter about themselves. They are all in unhappy marriages because they married the guy in college who would make pretty babies and decent money, regardless of the fact that he might be a womanizing alcoholic, and they are Kate's cheerleaders because it justifies living an unhappy life to have the finer things. Most of them wouldn't do anything different from Kate. But the good thing about these people is that they are fickle and as soon as something new comes along, they'll move on. it's like a pretty, shiny thing to them. They can't help themselves.

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Based on my own personal feelings, I want to respectfully respond to a few of the comments made above:

I just turned 40 last year. I do go to the gym a few days a week for several reasons: I am a SAHM and am lucky enough to have some time to do so, it's good for my health and good for my sanity. I take care of myself and my family and I am proud that we all look pretty good. That said, maintaining physical appearances does not take precedence over ensuring my family is happy and healthy.

I do not identify with Keight in any way, shape or form. I am not in an unhappy marriage even though I did marry my college sweetie, who is successful because he works very hard and is not a womanizing alcoholic. I am not one of Keight's cheerleaders - quite the opposite actually, I can't stand the woman. And, as a matter of fact, I do EVERYTHING differently than Keight.

Ms.Peach said...

I emailed "People" magazine in regards to their article. Stated that it was nothing more than PR damage control, that probably the reporter didn't even talk to the Gosselins, and that I would rather see an article on child exploitation and TLC's slide into slimey reality TV. I guess that's all we can do is just write, write and write.

The 'do' has been referred to as the "new Rachel" by sheeples. Funny, because most of the stars are sporting soft, classic hairstyles these days. I guess some gals think looking like an 80's punk with skunk stipes is sexy. Some day they'll see a picture of themselves and say, "What was I thinking?"

Sue said...

I'm a relatively new watcher of the show (about four – five months or so) but it didn’t take long for me to become disenchanted with the whole premise. That led me to search for more factual information and that search landed me right here at, GWoP.

My question/comment is this: Is it remotely possible that Kate was impregnated with donor eggs? I recall her mentioning on one episode that Jon’s mother told her the Korean gene is very dominate. I understand that but the children are only one quarter Korean and although they have strong Asian characteristics, not a one of them have any resemblance to Kate.

OrganicOnly said...

So how can you put the pressure on Christian organizations and churches to NOT hire KON? b/c KON knows that is their bread and butter when "the bough breaks and the cradle falls". You have certainly made it clear how to boycott advertisors and sponsors but you can't boycott the churches. Letters? Copies of GWOP discussions?(not that I advocate infringing copyrights, just looking for options)

BadPenny said...

I am not Protestant (Irish Catholic), so forgive my ignorance - is it a problem that KON drink alcohol? I'm only asking b/c a few people have pointed out that (in their view) it was hypocritical of KON to call themselves Christians and drink (cited examples have been Jon's 30th b-day dinner, outer banks vacation, bottle of wine in fridge door, etc.).. Just wondering how people who belong to their 'type' of church feel about the topic.
The AOG church here is a no alcohol preaching sect. It causes problems with x,y and z, so better to not even go there in the sermons. I don't know that all AOG churches preach the same but locally they are against imbibing. They used to be against joining the military years ago but then one of the big wigs was a war hero and they changed their stance into it was an individual decision. Perhaps some of them have also made the alcohol drinking into it's possible it could cause problems but we will let you decide. They have a web site so you could likely get better info off of it.

Katie said...

WOW! You guys should tune in now, they're running their very first special, and its unreal how different Kate is! And Jon as well.

Just the way she interacts with the kids and is describing them, it just doesn't seem like it could be the same people! You can tell, when they look at each other, that they were in love and truly "in it together!"

Amazing how much has changed in these short few years. I hope they're watching this, I hope they can see how horrible they've become.

Ms.Peach said...

Gosselin fans are comparing Kate to the next Martha Stewart. Let's see: Martha is a convicted felon, drove her husband into the arms of another woman. (It could be true someday).

justmyopinion said...

To bertie22 you are so right on my wavelength.I have thought that for a long time.Only couldn't find such an eloquent voice.I see it as a deeper problem in our society,though it's the sponsers and tv stations that are contributing to the moral decay and incessant greed that Kon stands for in my book.

Scruffy's Mom said...

"I don't ever want to miss a week of your life again"

- Kate Gosselin, 2007, after coming home to her children after her tummy tuck.

Remember what you said Kate? Hope you're enjoying all your time alone spent on the road.

Little Miss NASCAR said...

konspiracy asked:

Something I've been wondering about...

I am not Protestant (Irish Catholic), so forgive my ignorance - is it a problem that KON drink alcohol? I'm only asking b/c a few people have pointed out that (in their view) it was hypocritical of KON to call themselves Christians and drink (cited examples have been Jon's 30th b-day dinner, outer banks vacation, bottle of wine in fridge door, etc.).. Just wondering how people who belong to their 'type' of church feel about the topic.

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I go to an Assemblies of God church in Ohio. Alcohol is frowned on because "nothing good has ever come about as a result of drinking." However, its pretty common that people still drink. So the Gosselins might just be of the type that drink. Many of my friends are and I will occasionaly have a glass of wine or whatever.

Lexie said...

Ew...two new episodes on the twenty-third. I guess "B-Ball and More" is the one where the get booed at the globetrotters game.

Looks like there will be lots to talk about in two weeks.

Jennifer D said...

Ok...wow. I am watching the trip to the toy store. Jon is defending himself and telling Kate that she needs to stop yelling. He is clearly expressing his feelings and she looks like she actually ~gets~ it. I loved it when he said "It hurts me because I know you are a better person than that....when you yell like that you look horrible"

I did not remember that Jon used try with her. I wonder when he gave up?

Tami said...

There is a recap episode on now. The beginning showed Kate and what an "expert" she is at shopping. Gag. First of all, if she's such an expert and so careful about healthy eating like she is claiming, that sure is not a healthy meal. There is like a carrot and 2 crackers on everyone's plates! She claims to be so exhausted, has the neighbor come over while everyone is forced into a nap. Then she is bragging about sales flyers, rainchecks, coupons, etc. She feels saving a whopping $10 for that size family is worth bragging about?! Oh my.. We are a family of 6, one being an infant who doesn't even consume food, and on average at my twice a month grocery shopping trips I use 30 coupons and save $25 a trip. That is not including the regular trips I take to Walgreens using their weekly coupons and sales offers combined with manufacturer's coupons and getting large quantities of food and toiletry items deeply discounted or free. A good spokesperson for saving money? I think not. She's not even trying...

Teachergirl said...

I was watching a recap when they didn't even have the regular show yet...Remember those? They were at Sam's Club and bought all NON-organic food. Do you think the organic thing is something they drummed up to make her more "real" or likable? I think I liked them when they didn't have the regualr show...It is funny to see how different they became and not in a good way...

No Skunk Hair said...

I think the Nanny will probably prove to be and has already proven to be the best thing that ever happened to these kids. Maybe, hopefully she is a nuturing and loving unselfish woman who loves kids, and so they are getting from her everything they never got from their own mother. Fingers crossed.

She is slimy and greasy. I always think of Katie Irene with her greasy legs, her greasy striped hair and her greasy personality. YUCK! What's to like or emulate? I don't get it.

If Jon, in fact, moved back to his mom's house to live for a while NOT to take care of her ailing foot, but to get out of the reach of KI, as some are reporting, he must've been lured back by some kind of money deal. Otherwise, what in this universe would make him return to that witch?

tallblonde said...

I was channel-surfing & saw the "Tummy Tuck" episode that I never had watched before. Two of Kate's quotes reminded me of how much she has changed:

(1) On coming home from the tummy tuck operation & seeing the sextuplets: "I never want to lose a week of your life again."

(2) "We want their life to be as normal as possible." (well - we know what's normal for a circus sideshow now....)

(3) To the grocery store cashier "Hello Ma'm - & how are you today?"

Dear God, Kate - what happened???

Bella said...

"My question/comment is this: Is it remotely possible that Kate was impregnated with donor eggs? I recall her mentioning on one episode that Jon’s mother told her the Korean gene is very dominate. I understand that but the children are only one quarter Korean and although they have strong Asian characteristics, not a one of them have any resemblance to Kate."

You know I've always wondered that as well. Actually it's hard for me to see much resemblence (other then korean features)that any of the kids look like jon or kate. Yet I've known lots of people that I think the kids look nothing like the parents but usually one will take on one parents traits/looks. What I've always thought was odd was that I never saw much resemblence with the twins and the tups. At times I think cara looks like kate and mady like jon but for the tups I've never seen much resesmblence other then with each-other.

newposter said...

Good comment, Sue. My friend's kids are a quarter Asian and do not look Asian whatsoever. They look more like the blue eyed blonde haired parent, so I've wondered that before myself.

Tangerine Tanya said...

Bella and Sue,
Good question but I see a little bit of Kate's face in Leah. When Kate had her hair shorter and had bangs you could see a little pug nose that Leah has. Alexis definitely has some caucausian features.Once J/K said that the kids tease Alexis and that Mom and Alexis are the only "Non Asian" in the family. Then Leah says "Wer'e ALL Asian"

Steph said...

WTF, In an article in today's Baltimore Sun Eileen McNeill, the woman who used to be vp of production of J&K+8 and who is now President of TLC said: "I do think the economy has played a role in the success of these shows in the last six to nine months," O'Neill said.

"These shows have been building in popularity, I suspect, because of the cultural phenomenon we're all navigating right now with the economy. There's clearly a sense in these shows of the logistics of family management, including finances and food. And now there's a greater sensitivity within all our lives about the cost of these things. These supersized families take on those challenges every single day in major ways - and now, more than ever, that speaks to us."

Who is she trying to kid - J*K's family "speaks to us"????
Maybe the Duggar and Hayes families demonstrate a sensitivity to struggle in these economic times but I hardly think she can use J&K as an example.

I think I'll fire off a note to her asking her to examine the message she and the network are trying to send their viewers. It probably won't do any good, but it'll make me feel a little better that I spoke against her hypocracy - I hope.

If you want to read the whole article it's here:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/bal-al.zontv15mar15,0,489969.column

MichelleS said...

A quick story.
Took my daughter to the hospital,she had jammed her finger(thankfully not broken it like we thought from a fall)..
Well,some of the women staff there were talking about Jon and Kate.
A few mentioned how they love the show and like Kate, another said her husband cant stand Kate and wont let her watch the show..lol
It was said that with 8 kids of course Kate is going to uptight etc. Which sure she is but geez, i cant believe people still think that's all it is with her! Just uptight??(my ass..lol)
Anyhow just wanted to share. A friend of mine happens to think the same way about her and the show- all positive and loves it. I still watch, too drawn to it even though i cringe as soon as it starts..

Annies said...

The one poster, a Catholic lady, asked about Kon's church denomination's view of alcohol consumption. The Assembies Of God church believes in total abstinance. if you do a search on the Internet on the subject, there are a few links. I tried to copy and paste one here but it cut part of the email address off.

Annies said...

Who is this "Rachel" y'all are referring to?

Cheryl B said...

She spoke for 25 minutes in Etown KY last Sunday for $25,000. That is a $1,000 a minute. WOW what a joke.

momtobe said...

There is a recap episode on now. The beginning showed Kate and what an "expert" she is at shopping. Gag. First of all, if she's such an expert and so careful about healthy eating like she is claiming, that sure is not a healthy
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Tami, was that the same episode where she says that she doesn't buy milk unless it's on sale or she has a coupon (or whatever?). If it is, I remember watching that and finding it realllllly weird. Maybe my nurses' training failed me at some point, but I always thought that children needed milk in spite of its cost....

Aeris said...

I agree, too, that the tups hardly look like their parents. But I think remembering that Kate is not a natural blonde (was brunette as a child) makes it easier comparing her with her kids. My husband's friend has two children that are 1/4 Japanese from their mother, while he is blonde/blue-eyed. Their daughter looks like Cara with lighter skin and their son has blue eyes and doesn't look Asian at all. If Kate does have blue eyes and Jon's father was of fair-featured European decent (Welsh or Irish?), I'm really surprised not one of the kids has lighter eyes or hair.

Cortney said...

"I was watching a recap when they didn't even have the regular show yet...Remember those? They were at Sam's Club and bought all NON-organic food. Do you think the organic thing is something they drummed up to make her more "real" or likable? I think I liked them when they didn't have the regualr show...It is funny to see how different they became and not in a good way..."

I so agree with the organic thing. I just saw the episode where Jon makes Kate breakfast in bed for mothers day (gag) and he is using Mrs. Buttersworth syrup. Last I checked that isn't organic. Also, I don't think Juicy Juice is organic either.

Professional Mom said...

Bella and sue,
Kate didn't have eggs implanted. They did interuterine insemination. They stimulated her ovaries to produce more eggs, and then inseminated her husband's "spun seeds",(no fluid) directly into the uterus.

I doubt highly that an OCD sufferer would allow anyone elses eggs into their body! LOL

Bella said...

That was one of my first flags watching the show was the whole "we only eat organic" cut to Mother's Day and jon saying that mostly everything they were making was organic..cut to him putting butter and powdered sugar on the french toast. I also love it when they said they ate "turkey bacon" because it was "healthier" yet everything I've read Drs. say it's actually worse for you fat-wise because they are taking something like bacon and processing it more from turkey, bottom line, not better for you. But since I'm not an organic eater and have never been in those high-priced "organic" food chains I figured they made organic butter and what not then I thought about it more and thought how that was such crap. Just because you slap "organic" on a label be it bread, candy what have you, does not make it better for you. Plus I remember when they were at Sam's Club and cara was loading up huge things of Eggo waffles and Goldfish, last time I checked those weren't "organic". To me that is one huge obvious lie they churn out constantly that I can't believe the sheeple don't see through.

The whole milk coupon really threw me as well. Maybe it's because I get fat-free, skim milk all the time but I was thinking who breaks the bank buying milk? Unless they were getting more of the fru-fru brand which in the show it looked like kate was.

Professional Mom. said...

Sue,
Yes, it is against the Assemblies of God church teaching to drink. It is also against their policy to dance and go to the movies...and it is really, really, really, against Christian beliefs, values and traditions that a wife humiliate her husband at any time. She must honor him, respect him and submit to him as the "head" of the wife. The husband is commanded to love his wife, submit to her, protect her and remain faithful.

Kate's selfish disrespect for her husband is a much more troubling sin than drinking wine! For it rips the fabric of the family in two and undermines the faith of the children.

95% of what children learn is CAUGHT...NOT TAUGHT.

Harriet said...

I pegged Kate as a fraud early on also: yelling at Jon at the pumpkin patch and Toys R Us, the insane need to clean off the table and putting herself ahead of her husband and children when they were carving pumpkins, and the packets of instant oatmeal when anyone who thought for two seconds would know whole oats are healthier and cheaper and it wouldn't take more effort to make a pot of oats than to mix umpteen instant packets.

Sue said...

"Bella and sue,
Kate didn't have eggs implanted. They did interuterine insemination. They stimulated her ovaries to produce more eggs, and then inseminated her husband's "spun seeds",(no fluid) directly into the uterus."
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But...that's only what they say on the show, no one knows if it's a true fact. One of the early episodes had Kate saying that she 'had a feeling' or something along those lines that she wouldn't be able to have children "on their own." I don't think she and Jon had been married very long before she/they jumped into fertility treatment. So that has me wondering if she knew well in advance that she wasn't able to produce her own eggs and needed donor eggs.

Professional Mom said...

Just moved...

I said the EXACT same thing about the entry way to the new mansion! Put the shoes at the back door!

Sue said...

"Good question but I see a little bit of Kate's face in Leah. When Kate had her hair shorter and had bangs you could see a little pug nose that Leah has. Alexis definitely has some caucausian features.Once J/K said that the kids tease Alexis and that Mom and Alexis are the only "Non Asian" in the family. Then Leah says "Wer'e ALL Asian"

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I don't doubt that the children have both caucausian and Korean features, I just don't see any thing of Kate in them. But you're probably right but it was just something that was rattling around in my mind.

overrwithKON said...

IMO the whole milk/coupon thing is that she had WIC, they give lowincome families with small children or a pregnant mom the staples of food. Fresh milk being the biggie. You also get other things like specific cereal, cheese, tuna, etc. YOu have to qualify for this and they give it to you in a check form, stating what is allowed and so on.

So I think her coupons, were really WIC checks, and she does not want to admit that and she aint smart enough to leave it out or figure out a better lie! LOL!

faux house said...

I was wondering about the shoes at the front door thing. Is it possible that this entrance that we all see, is actually a side or back entrance. It is just strange that a house that big would have a front entrance with a single door. (as opposed to a double door) I'm going by memory but isn't that a single door that they show as the main entrance with the staircase? It is so obvious that there are very few rooms that the public is going to be allowed to see in this gigantic house. I wouldn't be suprised if the "hired help" quarters was set up as a "faux" house for the cameras and the public actually never sees a single square foot of the real house. something to think about. . .

Professional Mom said...

Harriet, I never saw instant oatmeal! LOL! We rarely buy it, because it is much healthier, and cheaper to cook real oats...but, of course Kate often doesn't make sense.

Ice cream for dinner one night, when they can not even change the rules on the Tups birthday so that the boys, who weren't hand fed and didn't eat enough dinner were denied their birthday dessert.

Aunt Jodi is a total idiot for allowing the kids gum, but Kate gave gum out in Utah.

Kids must go to the corner for having a tantrum; when Kate throws them all the time!

Kate has tantrams, screams, hits, is disrespectful to everyone, is ungrateful, and rude to others, such as the bakery owners on the cupcake episode---then expects her kids to act differently.

They behave in the way they have CAUGHT from their mother.

I have 4 kids; have raised a niece and 8 daycare kids. These kids are on constant "hypocrit watch"! They are always trying to see if you behave in the manner that you expect them to; and if you act out your stated beliefs. Kids get extremely angry if they find that you don't! The world doesn't make sense to them, if they find that their parents are liars. It causes great damage to the children. And I would say it is the number one reason that kids misbehave. They do not feel that they must obey a person who is a liar. They feel insecure and unsafe. They 'lose their minds!'

Steph said...

Continuing to do the show, Kate's books, speaking engagements, etc -- I guess we should all remember what J&K have told us about their motivation for doing all this -- it's for the kids! cough, cough

They've lost all credibility with viewers who have a head on their shoulders and a brain to reason with - but, when will the others catch on to their sham of a show? I don't think there's a credible ounce of content to their episodes other than the lack of interest they have in the kids and the distaste they show for each other. "We do it for the kids." HA!

4girlsoneboy said...

Annies said...
"The one poster, a Catholic lady, asked about Kon's church denomination's view of alcohol consumption. The Assembies Of God church believes in total abstinance. if you do a search on the Internet on the subject, there are a few links. I tried to copy and paste one here but it cut part of the email address off."

That is surprising to me. If you watch carefully on the return to the vet episode there is a large bottle of wine on the counter next to the refrig. I just can't believe that any of these churches who invite these two to speak ever watch any of the shows. I watched some of the old reruns today and, as always, am shocked that these little kids don't say any blessing before meals - never, never. There obviously is a lot to be thankful for in this family so very sad that any reference to God is left out in their family life. I also don't believe for one minute that it has anything to do with editing. If this is the number one watched show on TLC I am sure Kate would have some clout in matters such as this. We also said a little prayer before nap and bedtime when our kids were little.

Ms.Peach said...

Annies said...
Who is this "Rachel" y'all are referring to?

Rachel from "Friends". Her hairdo was the look eveyone wanted in the late 90's.

Professional Mom said...

Sue, I really do not think that Kate could or would use another woman's eggs. Not in her personality, imo.

I have stated before that my daughter, my sister in law and mother in law all suffer from Medically diagnosed and (tried to) treat, OCD.

Part of OCD is a tendancy to over exaggerate medical problems...extreme cases become Munchhausen Syndrome and Munchhausen by proxy, syndrome.

The sufferers feel that they are "special" they are "different" and the regular rules don't apply to them! They have a worse case than anyone else in the world. They have more need, can't be treated regularly...Kate is so classic!

I would bet that Kate actually had no fertility problems. Kate had a "feeling"---she is different, she's special---and she decided this was the truth. With her medical background, she was able to convince some doctor that she in fact DID have this problem; and he treated it as a fact! Believe me, it happens all the time. My MIL has had several different "fatal" diseases for the past 25 years, and doctors go along with her diagnosis all the time!

LAP said...

Just Moved said,

"It certainly doesn't appear to be a well-laid out home for a large family with young children."


I watched the epidose last night as well and thought the same thing. The house really does seem to have a weird layout that I can't seem to grasp on where the rooms are.

They totally need some more closest space there by the front door to shove all those shoes and coats in.

Pray4Kate said...

Anyone watch Oprah and hear Kate say "We don't let the cameras go in the kids room. They need privacy" While I am happy that Kate isn't allowing a camera into a 4 year olds room how come seven year olds rooms were not off limits!!!?!!?! Also, Kate if you want privacy I would get the cameras out of your house!

Just moved said...

Professional Mom said...

Just moved...

"I said the EXACT same thing about the entry way to the new mansion! Put the shoes at the back door!"

More on the subject - is there a back door to the house? I can't seem to get a feel for the layout of the house. I also wonder how do you enter the house after using the swimming pool. When one of the little girls was watching the dogs running around in the yard after their return from the vet there appeared to be lots of piles of junk everywhere. They seemed to be covered with white plastic. That, coupled with at least 1,000 fingermarks on the sliding door makes me happy that they don't have any close neighbors who have to look at that mess. It also didn't take them long to mess up the garage. It would almost appear that they are renters, not homeowners.

I just can't understand why their shoes aren't kept in their bedrooms. Good thing they don't ever have visitors who would be greeted by that mess.

Steph said...

Cortney ~
I so agree with the organic thing. I just saw the episode where Jon makes Kate breakfast in bed for mothers day (gag) and he is using Mrs. Buttersworth syrup. Last I checked that isn't organic. Also, I don't think Juicy Juice is organic either.

Juicy Juice may not be organic, but it is FREE for the Gosselin's.

Its A Good Thing said...

So of the Jon and Kate rerun special I only watched Surviving Twins and Sextuplets 1 year later. I haven't watched any of their shows in a month but I figured since this one is rarely on I would watch. I was so amazed at the difference in not only Jon and Kate but the children. Mady and Cara were so happy and they were around the tups age now and the difference is huge. Also I noticed how Kate never spoke over Jon and during the interviews she actually let him speak and was pretty kind. There are a tons of other things and I know they have been hashed out already but I was just so shocked that I had to say something.

...Amy... said...

J&K, from what I remember, were only married less than a year when they first went to a fertility specialist b/c they said they couldn't get pregnant. Now, Kate says that she suffered/suffers from PCOS (which I suffer from as well). I won't get into a dispute about whether or not she does suffer from PCOS, b/c she exhibits very few symptoms, but a "cure" for PCOS is to get pregnant. It's very difficult for most women w/ PCOS to get pregnant the first time, but after the first pregnancy, most women w/ PCOS have a much easier time getting pregnant again. So, if Kate does truely suffer from PCOS, I could understand the need to go to a fertility specialist (the first time, but not necessarily the second time), but most specialists will tell you that if you're under 30 (or 35, I can't remember), to actively try on your own for at least a year, and then seek help if you're unable to conceive.

So, J&K seemingly went straight to a specialist, requesting more invasive conceiving strategies well before they should have. Their doctor should have advised them to wait for IUI or any other fertility treatment. It's always seemed, at least to me, a little fishy that they sought and received treatment so quickly...it's not as bad as Octo-mom, but it's something that should be questioned and possibly looked into.

Steph said...

Professional Mom said...
Just moved...
I said the EXACT same thing about the entry way to the new mansion! Put the shoes at the back door!


They really don't have a back door other than the door in the basement where they let the dogs out. If you look at the long shots of the basement in this last episode 'trip to the vet' you'll see FOUR storage units lined up on the far wall opposite the dog's door. They're dark wood, tall, with space to hang jackets & what looks like a storage box with a lid on it -- they were all full of coats & there were also shoe storage cubbies next to that door, too! Tacky, IMO that they can't put that stuf behind closed doors.

But, I've always contended the house is set up to be functional rather than comfy, warm and inviting for J&K's ease, same as using paper plates for everything. Thus, the open bins for shoes, coats hanging all over the spacious entryway, a coat tree that's overflowing - so they don't have to take a few steps out of their way to get the things they need. Kinda reminds me of the Beverly Hilbillies.

horrified yet cannot look away said...

I found this site after reading the last batch of 'Jon at the frat party' stories and it has changed the way I watch the show but in a surprising way.
I find myself watching the old episodes and picking up on some things I missed, like Kate taking Hannah and leaving the other 5 for Jon on the 4th of July show and Jon refering to Hannah as the 'most responsible one' (which is an oxymoron for three year olds).
I could not stand to watch the last year or so of episodes but after reading the messages on this site I almost but not quite feel sorry for Keight. This surprised me as I thought I would be more offended by the later shows now, but its almost as if I feel duped or tricked by the earlier shows knowing they were soliciting web page donations before the tups were born and the later shows where she's channeling the Joans (Crawford and Collins) make more sense now.
Anyway with TLC running another marathon today, I think the Gosselins are here to stay in one form or another, just not in the talk-show 'I'm the new Oprah' way Keight wants.
This fall on Court TV - Jon and Kate Litigate - how much will they sell the rights to their divorce proceedings and the eventual tell-all books?
On MTV - Date the Keight - watch the orange mother of 8 try to find the love she deserves.
Season Two could be a celebrity version - I'm figuring reality show mainstays Jose Canseco, Hulk Hogan (he's orange too), the guy who played Greg Brady (the guy who played Peter got a couple of seasons out of a wedding) and Danny Bonaduce (who wouldn't watch a date between those two) as contestants.

DeeB said...

I too realized the healthy eating thing was fake early on. Particularly when Sara Snow was on the show and Kate did not know what bok choy was and clearly had not ever cooked with fresh mushrooms nor did she know how to clean a mushroom. Her upcoming cookbook should be entitled, "Anyone Who Needs To Use A Recipe Is A Fake." (or whatever stupid remark she made when Jon was cooking.)

A few other thuoghts:

*The nanny is definitely doing the little girl tup's hair. Kate never took care of their hair. She even had Jon wash their hair every night. That is sad to me.

*I am curious as to when was the last time they went to church since both are out of town so much lately.

*Personally IMHO I believe any church that has had her (or him) to speak now needs to apologize to their congregation.

Janine said...

I have thought about 2 things lately and I thought I would share them with you.

1-I REALLY do NOT think that Kate and Jon are putting ANY money they "earn" from the show into accounts for the kids. I say this because of 2 reasons
a.) Kate has said MANY times that the kids do NOT work (which is a bunch of crap IMO) and that this is the HARDEST job she and Jon have ever had...if she really thinks that, why would she put any money from the show into accounts for the kids...I mean in her mind they are NOT working, so why should they receive any money from the show?
b.) On the latest Q&A episode entitled "All You Wanted to Know", Jon and Kate were asked if they would buy the kids cars when they turned 18, and Kate said that they wouldn't. She said that when they get old enough they can get their OWN jobs and make money for a car, and she said they might match their money for a car.

I really think that Kate seriously believes that the kids are NOT working, so if you thought someone wasnt working, would you pay them? NO.

What do you all think??

And....

It has really been bothering me alot lately how OBVIOUS Kate is with her favoritism with Hannah. I mean, its just sick. I can pretty much recall a moment in EVERY episode where Kate is either holding Hannah, hugging or kissing her, or praising her. When do we ever see Kate act the way she does with Hannah with ANY of her other children? We don't.
Has anyone EVER heard Kate say a bad thing about Hannah? Because I cannot recall one time. But I can recall plenty of times when she said something negative about her boys, Alexis, and Mady. I can't really think of any times when she has said anything negative about Leah or Kara, but she does not show Kara or Leah the same kind of attention she shows Hannah.

Kate has admitted that she has a "special bond" with Hannah because Hannah was the first of the 'tups that she ever held (this was said in her book Multiple Blessings). I just think that the sheer fact that she ADMITS that she favors one child is bad.

I think this favortism that Hannah receives is going to have alot of negative effects in the future. I think that Hannah is going to feel (if she doesnt already) superior to her siblings, and I believe her siblings are going to resent her (if they don't already) for being the "favored child".

I have been seeing an attitude in Hannah in the past couple episodes that I have never seen in any of the other 'tups. I mean, I know they have different personalities, but I think her attitude goes beyond just a personality trait. I think its because she is the favorite child and she KNOWS it.

Anyway, what do you guys think about these two subjects??

Sorry this was so long!

jon and kate are cons said...

When they lived in the old house they always came in through the garage. Everyone had to take their shoes off there, and then come in the house. But with the new house the garage is not attached so they can't do that. It does look very messy at the front door. Then again Kate is never home to see it so she doesn't care.

sad stuff said...

Horrified yet can't look away said

On MTV - Date the Keight - watch the orange mother of 8 try to find the love she deserves. . . . .


That is hysterical!!!

Bella said...

Ahh..catching part of the marathon on TLC and it was on the part where kate had her plastic surgery (along with some lypo they didn't talk about before-I bet $$$ that kate probably had some type of lypo done again, henceforth her slimmer physique). But it makes me feel like an idiot in how the show portrayed kate as being so "brave" in showing off her tummy on the special when it's so freakin' obvious that was a deliberate move to possibly get some offers for plastic surgery. Knowing what we know about them now and especially with the articles that were being written locally about them at the time, it makes total sense kate would flash her huge tummy to get a freebie and not just to "show it off" for those that are curious. Yeah right.

KiSSy said...

"The Kate hairstyle iss alive and well in Copley/Akron Ohio. I was visting a friend for the weekend and just about every other woman in the cars we passed had that hair. Yikes! And no offense to anyone who lives there. I made the comment to my friend and she thought it was funny."

___________________________


A very similar style is becoming popular because of Victoria Beckham as well, let's not give Kate more credit than she's due.

RuthinVA said...

They could get a hall rack that would tastefully hide a pair of shoes for each of them. Who in their right mind leaves every pair of shoes they own at ANY door. Can you not take your shoes off and carry them to your bedroom closet.
Handy man Dan or whatever his name is needs to install a coat closet under the stair case.

Pray4Kate said...

"I have been seeing an attitude in Hannah in the past couple episodes that I have never seen in any of the other 'tups. I mean, I know they have different personalities, but I think her attitude goes beyond just a personality trait. I think its because she is the favorite child and she KNOWS it"

I totally agree with the attitude. Hannah is really getting snobby. And in reality this is all going to come back and hurt her because one day in a sitation (school!!) she won't get the attention that she is used to.

I watch Cara and jsut want to cry. Yes, she obvisouly is a quiet girl, but I feel that she really suffers from depression or neglect. Even though they rag about Mady, she is getting way more attention. I also feel sorry for Colin. He is the sweetest of the boys and I never see Jon bonding with him. I really pray for the well being of these kids. Even though Kate goes on and on about how foruntatne the kids are ex. big house, trips, free toys...where is the love kate? the stuff that really matters?

I cried watching the episode BYE OLD HOUSE. At the end they did this recap of every room and panned into a scene fron the show. It made me sad to see that a family that was so close, so normal, and so happy had fallen apart. There was a part where Kate was chasing them in the living room and they were all laughing. When was the last time we saw that? All these things have changed.

On another note, it bothers me the way Kate looks. Mothers who look perfect are not realistic. Remember the baggy shirts Kate used to wear? Remember when her face had a few pimples and wrinkles.....that is how moms look!

azally said...

Do you think the organic thing is something they drummed up to make her more "real" or likable?
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First of all it is expensive to eat ALL organic. I think she started the organic thing to get free food. I hated it when aunt Jodi sent the kids home with lollipops and she said with that stupid look on her face "are they organic?" then rolled her eyes. So ungrateful.

Say Whuh? said...

Is Kate tall or short? Jon seems a tad shorter than she is, so why the heels?

twins241 said...

search wikipedia for jon and kate. very intersting. I don't ever remember reading anywhere that they were going to consider adopting a biracial infant before the tups.

Katherine said...

A closet under the stairs won't work because there is a set of stairs to the basement there. However there is a side door that leads right into the laundry room area and I don't know why they don't use that entrance when they need to remove shoes and coats, it would be much less unsightly

Jennifer D said...

Re: the tups not looking like Kate. Kate is a brunette! Of course they don't have blonde hair. LOL

Watching the older episodes reminded me how this couple got popular. Jon was actually the jerk back then and Kate was the one smoothing things out. She is shown cooking all the time and she laughs so much more. When she potty trained the kids she was awesome and gave lots of praise.

Kate never took the easy road with those kids. She took them all to the 4th of July celebration with no stroller. I think that was pretty brave. She took them all to chocolate world without Jon, that was brave too. She took them all to pick out beds because she wanted it to be special for them. Jon didn't agree with her most of the time but she pushed to do what she thought was best for them.

I don't know how they changed so much in just a couple years.

WallyWinnie said...

In the episode where Kate is shown walking miles all over the new mansion saying "call out if you pooped!".....I bet you this is the most we will ever see of the entire place. This is before they actually moved in and queen Kate made up the mansion new house rules.

I remember being so in shock over the size of the new place and at the same time was so confused and turned around as to where we were viewing. It was hard since there was no furniture inside yet.

My point being, after I saw that episode again, I now kinda have a feel for the house layout. Remember Cara telling us that her and Madys bedroom was "up a different pair of stairs than the little kids rooms"??? Now I remember Kate walking by that OTHER stairway in search for the lost "poopers". I remember that that door was NOT the front door we see them pile all the shoes and coats near now. THAT was the back door! I bet that door is above the basement sliding door walking out on to some sort of deck which I'd bet is near that pool???

I'm just assuming the lazy azzes walk the shortest distance from the detached garage to the front door we all have been talking about. I bet they don't want us to see that built in pool near the back door! Just wait until summer when it cannot be avoided. I bet the camera crew is trying to figure a way to make the pool appear modest as we speak. Go back and look at the pics of the home from above and notice how large the pool is. Remember that is a 6000 sq foot home to compare it to....

samcarter said...

Ugh, I caught a few minutes of the "Pancakes and Potties' episode (note to TLC: the word "potties" should never, ever, be combined in the same title or sentence with a food item).

I still can't believe that Kate took PHOTOS of her kids' poop with them sitting next to the potty, grinning. I mean, it's their first frakking poop on the potty, doesn't mean they're potty trained.

Also, she called the poop "your artwork". Ooohhhhhh Lordy be. I just...gah. Yeck. No. For somebody who is so geeked on cleanliness and sanitization, to be all gaga about poop just seems weird.

Yeah, I praised my kids when they went on the potty. I certainly didn't celebrate and throw a party, for crying out loud. It's POOP. It's bodily waste. You don't take pictures of it! There's a reason they blacked out he image of the poop on TV---it's disgusting!


Although, Kate seemed more easygoing back then in general, and her hair was normal--a nice, normal short 'do, and she was more relaxed and wasn't snapping at Jon every two minutes. So...yeah, I guess I'd rather see the excited, poop-picture-taking mom who looks normal, rather than the brittle space alien who has inhabited her body.

azally said...

Addressing Janine about favoritism, I totally agree. I wish I could of come through the TV on her during the organizing the basement episode. The kids were running wild through the house and coming down the stairs to check on mommy and all she did was scream at them to "go play". Then Alexis happened to sneak down when Kate wasn't looking and she SCREAMED "get outta here!!" My heart sank. Alexis ran out with fear. I have a 3 year old that I have moved twice with, with no family or friends around to help and my daughter was right in the mix like any child would be. Doesn't she realize that mommy and daddy are their world for the first 4 to 5 years? It broke my heart. I was done before but that infuriated me. (sigh)

Sarah said...

So has anyone seen this video where kate outright LIES about writing the Book?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vSSoZHDWgY

You have to watch the entire thing!

She actually says "writing the book wasn't hard" to a CHRISTIAN radio station.

Of course not, YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT!!

Oh, and I love that she has ZERO personality, but wants to be a talk show host. She hardly even cracks a smile... crazy lady!

jon and kate are cons said...

Jennifer D,

I have five children and two of them have blonde hair. Both my husband and I have dark hair. Children get their genes from different relatives, not just their parents.

IRATEb/cofKate said...

Tami, was that the same episode where she says that she doesn't buy milk unless it's on sale or she has a coupon (or whatever?). If it is, I remember watching that and finding it realllllly weird. Maybe my nurses' training failed me at some point, but I always thought that children needed milk in spite of its cost...

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It is possible that Kate used to freeze milk. If she did, then she was smart because she could save money when it was on sale and always have it on hand.


I'm loving all the comments! I haven't written in a while, I really just got bored with the whole show, but the recent press about their marriage is at least drawing NEGATIVE attention to them.

I noticed in my Proctor and Gamble coupons this week that there was NO J&K+8 advertisement!!! =) =) =)

Also, I too always wondered about the tups not looking anything like Kate. I think Aaden kind of looks like her... a little bit.

Anyway, glad to read everyone's thoughts. I think the show will be over after next season.

Mary in Ohio said...

Little Miss NASCAR,

How ironic! I live in Akron (not Copley) and I have seen that hairstyle too! Too bad I can't take a picture of one of the mom's at my daughter's PreK. She has the exact same hairstyle! I wish I could post a picture of it, but you all know what it looks like. I don't have that kind of hairstyle though. lol I'm sure Akron isn't the only place that has them. By the way, if you have ever seen "Back at the Barnyard" on Nick, the neighbor lady is looking in the mirror one day and thinks her hair looks funny. All of a sudden, "Wild Mike" jumps out of her hair. If you have seen the movie or television show, you know who I mean. lol

Natalie and Abigail said...

Someone asked about the kids not looking like Kate. My girls are 1/4 Thai. My husband's mother is from Thailand. Our girls look JUST LIKE HIM - big, beautiful brown eyes, dark hair, darker skin. They look nothing like me. I sort-of see myself in how they smile.

Interestingly, though, they do NOT look Asian at all. My hub and his brother don't either. Sometimes his brother gets mistaken for hispanic, but rarely asian.

I've always been surprised that the Gosselin children do have suck strong asian features, just based on my experience. But I think some genes are stronger than others. We do have a friend who's mother is Koren and father white, and he looks very much asian.

(also pen name jojow)

4girlsoneboy said...

Pray4Kate said...

"I cried watching the episode BYE OLD HOUSE. At the end they did this recap of every room and panned into a scene fron the show. It made me sad to see that a family that was so close, so normal, and so happy had fallen apart. There was a part where Kate was chasing them in the living room and they were all laughing. When was the last time we saw that? All these things have changed."

I just cannot remember any of these moments that you do. I remember Kate was nasty when she was still living at the old house, nasty when they moved to Etown and then got nastier before moving back to Berks County. I never saw a normal, close, happy family. I will agree though that things have changed - they just went from bad to worse."

I also don't PRAY4Kate - I do pray for families all over the USA who are losing their jobs, homes and even their sanity. I pray for mothers who are taking care of kids on their own while their husbands are based in Iraq and Afghanistan. I pray for families who try their darnest keep God in their lives. I will even pray for Octomom but I think Kate is beyond help.

Mommy in PA said...

One good thing about the recent Jon incident that has been popping up in magazines & internet:

There are some sheeple who are starting to question what goes in in the Gosselin household, not only concerning this incident, but everything else as well....

Natalie and Abigail said...

Another note on the drinking of alcohol...

It totally depends on what denomination one is in whether alcohol is ¨forbidden¨. Even then, most people kind-of do their own thing anyway. I like to think it's because people are thinking for themselves and not blindly following orders:-)

For instance, I attend a baptist church, a denomination which as a whole discourages alcohol. But, I know many of our church members drink in moderation. Some even have rather stocked bars!

However, many of the Christians I know that belong to anti-alcohol churches are also very concerned about appearances. They wouldn't just offer a beer to anyone. And they certainly wouldn't get caught drinking in a bar with co-eds.

I actually doubt that Job was cheating on Kate - at least in public. That's just incredibly stupid. I think they were just pictures with fans. I don't even have huge issues with him going out every now and then and having a beer or two EXCEPT that it seems to be a pattern of behavior, he appeared to drink quite a bit (if his not-quite coherent look means anything), his marriage appears to be in trouble and the children already have one parent away all the time.

I don't think Jon is cheating, just acting very immaturely. It seems like ever since he went skiing and continues to go by himself, he has gotten more and more childish and less and less parental. It's like he's trying to recapture his youth.

It's not so bad he wants to ski, but does he need to go to Colorado? Don't they have skiing in PA? He is becoming increasingly selfish and just needs to step back and look at what his behavior is saying to his children (never mind the rest of the world).

fedup said...

Jennifer D Said...

Kate never took the easy road with those kids. She took them all to the 4th of July celebration with no stroller. I think that was pretty brave. She took them all to chocolate world without Jon, that was brave too. She took them all to pick out beds because she wanted it to be special for them. Jon didn't agree with her most of the time but she pushed to do what she thought was best for them.


Really? Is this the episode... that one of the boys had a fecal impaction and Kate could not be bothered? Is this the same episode that "she" picked out the beds as the kids were bored to tears?
You are right..nothing has changed in years!

tallblonde said...

More channel surfing and caught Kate talking about Aunt Jodi "She loves the kids for who they are....not what they are."

Translation - Aunt Jodi loves the kids - she doesn't love the income stream they've become for Jon and I....

Natalie and Abigail said...

"I've always been surprised that the Gosselin children do have suck strong asian features"

Oh gosh - I meant SUCH strong asian features - not suck. That sounded so bad....

Jenn said...

fedup said...
Really? Is this the episode... that one of the boys had a fecal impaction and Kate could not be bothered? Is this the same episode that "she" picked out the beds as the kids were bored to tears?
You are right..nothing has changed in years!


I don't want to argue but FECAL IMPACTION? That's a little extreme. He was constipated. He was uncomfortable and he was crying. At that stage of the game those kids were always crying.

I rarely defend Kate, but I don't think that was the worst thing she ever did. I think she tuned out the crying because it was a constant background noise in her life. She knew Jon could handle it. She was making a $3K decision and she was worried she might regret the wrong choice. At that point Jon was working and they were obviously BUYING the beds.

KatesARag said...

I'm not positive, but I thought Kate got pregnant by IUI (Intra Uterine Insemination) and not IVF. With IUI, Jon's sperm in put in her uterus with a syringe (sp?). She would have taken drugs and been monitored by U/S to the number of eggs and the sizes. My husband and I did the procedure at least 10 times and it wasn't covered by our insurance.

konspiracytheory said...

Many thanks to all who answered my question about KON's church and alcohol. I love this site - so informative!!

Pray4Kate said...

4girlsoneboy said...

"I just cannot remember any of these moments that you do. I remember Kate was nasty when she was still living at the old house, nasty when they moved to Etown and then got nastier before moving back to Berks County. I never saw a normal, close, happy family. I will agree though that things have changed - they just went from bad to worse."

Well the moment I was talking about was the episode GAME GOSSELINS PLAY. I'm not saying that they were all peace and love. I know that there was not a lot, but I think it is safe to say that before they became highly famous they acted much more happier. We don't see many happy times in the new house.

Like I'm talking about how cruel Jon is becoming. He was ROTTEN in the woods, and when they got the dog from the vet he was even worse. I just think that this fame is getting to them.

And, I am going to Pray4Kate. I'm praying that she givers her children the love they need.

MayDay said...

Jenn said...
I don't want to argue but FECAL IMPACTION? That's a little extreme. He was constipated. He was uncomfortable and he was crying. At that stage of the game those kids were always crying.

I rarely defend Kate, but I don't think that was the worst thing she ever did. I think she tuned out the crying because it was a constant background noise in her life. She knew Jon could handle it. She was making a $3K decision and she was worried she might regret the wrong choice. At that point Jon was working and they were obviously BUYING the beds.

I am sorry to disagree but just because she was making a 3K decision by no means gives her the right to ignore the needs of he children. The behavior of those children in the store, running around, jumping on the beds was unacceptable. If the store owner had any brains he would of asked them to leave. Kate always puts her needs first and forget about what her kids need.
Constipation can hurt and when a child is in that state he maybe close to being impacted.

timetogokon said...

I don't want to argue but FECAL IMPACTION? That's a little extreme. He was constipated. He was uncomfortable and he was crying. At that stage of the game those kids were always crying.

**** Wow, pretty insensitive statement. Collin wasn't "just constipated" he was so obviously in pain the poor little guy was sweating profusely.

I rarely defend Kate, but I don't think that was the worst thing she ever did. I think she tuned out the crying because it was a constant background noise in her life. She knew Jon could handle it. She was making a $3K decision and she was worried she might regret the wrong choice. At that point Jon was working and they were obviously BUYING the beds.

****No, it may not have been the worst thing Keight has done, although it does rank in the top 5.
Tuning out whining is one thing, ignoring your child who is crying because he is so uncomfortable is horrible. And I really don't think it matters that they were "buying" something that cost 3K or 3 cents. The beds could have waited. And how are you so sure they were "buying" the beds? Just because Keight makes a grand gesture of getting out her pocketbook ?

And regarding "but she pushed to do what she thought was best for them." : how is buying beds indicative of Keight doing what she thought was best for the kids?

If this isn't defending Keight, I don't know what is.

momof4 said...

I was reading some of the comments about Kate's fertility issues. I don't know anything about PCOS but from what some of you have been saying it is not easy to get pregnant and that she doesn't seem to have a lot of the visible symptoms. It seems to me she got pregnant quickly both times. They started within months of being married (I don't remember the exact timeline) and she was pregnant within 6-7 months. Then when they decided to do it again, she became pregnant pretty much right away. Is this normal with IUI?
Also, did anyone notice on the episode of them when the twins were babies, she had them at the
4th of July parade in the stroller with a big sign on the side that said "The Gosselin Twins"? Now, I have a set of twins and I never felt the need to do that. Do you think she was looking for that recognition or attention or whatever way back then? Just wondering.

ICExploitation said...

Well the moment I was talking about was the episode GAME GOSSELINS PLAY.

IIRC this episode begins with Jon saying it is done all the time (the game playing).

The episode goes on - clearly the children have not played "Duck Duck Goose" before - Kate, I believe even says "some got it, some did not".

The rest of the episode is all about the Hide and Seek game between Jon and the children. Wow, there's even a checklist of who has yet to be found!

Thank you very much Jon for violating one of the rules of game by hiding in a closet.

What made the "fakery" all too real for me - was Jon saying that is was fun and that he may do it again. OK, if this is something that is "done all the time" why the comment? It was obvious that he never played hide and seek with the children before.

jon and kate are cons said...

momof4,

I too have a set of twins and don't advertise their name when I take then out in their stroller. Kate does not think about the safety of her children by advertising their name on thier stroller. It's no even safe to put a child's name on thier backpack. There are way to many sexual predators out there. If a child can be taken from their own bed, there's no telling what some weirdo might do to find a perticular child.

Anonymomma said...

When confronted by CNN, did TLC not say that by filming the family, it provided the opportunity for the children to be around both parents at all times (or something along the lines of that)?

So why is it that Kate is never home. Or when she is, Jon isn't? And why the hiring on a live in Nanny? If both parents are stay at home parents. Just wondering.

3ts said...

"Think of The Waltons and the relationship of those characters to the Great Depression.

"I do think the economy has played a role in the success of these shows in the last six to nine months," O'Neill said.

"These shows have been building in popularity, I suspect, because of the cultural phenomenon we're all navigating right now with the economy. There's clearly a sense in these shows of the logistics of family management, including finances and food. And now there's a greater sensitivity within all our lives about the cost of these things."

Family matters for TLC and its viewers,baltimoresun

What a load of crap, talking about the Duggars and Gosselins. I wonder if any of them paid for their washers, dryers and other various appliances in their houses. I wonder how much the grocery store comped them for featuring their store in the shows? Who could afford to fly 10-17 people across country..during these economic times?

timetogokon said...

Thank you very much Jon for violating one of the rules of game by hiding in a closet

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I so vividly remember this part because I thought to myself " isn't hiding in the closet against the rules ? what a brat."

Jon seems to be very competitive in an extremely immature way : hiding in the closet knowing his 4 yo's won't look there b/c it's not allowed, Jon always showing off his athletic skills, proudly stating he can still "hang" with the 15 yo crowd on the slopes of Utah.......He's always out to prove something, not sure what.

jon and kate are cons said...

Anonymomma,

Kate is never home because she doesn't like being with her kids. When they were babies and Kate had more control over them it was different. But now they are growing up and have minds of their own, Kate doesn't want to be around them. Kate is not the mothering type. She is cold and uncaring. I think that there was a reason why God didn't want Kate to have children the natural way.

Tami said...

Tami, was that the same episode where she says that she doesn't buy milk unless it's on sale or she has a coupon (or whatever?). If it is, I remember watching that and finding it realllllly weird. Maybe my nurses' training failed me at some point, but I always thought that children needed milk in spite of its cost....
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Yes, she said that. I suppose she could have meant she goes around to different places and buys it on sale wherever it is. I don't think she'd mean she just never buys milk. Of course it's Kate though, and she lies...

Tami said...

I agree, too, that the tups hardly look like their parents. But I think remembering that Kate is not a natural blonde (was brunette as a child) makes it easier comparing her with her kids. My husband's friend has two children that are 1/4 Japanese from their mother, while he is blonde/blue-eyed. Their daughter looks like Cara with lighter skin and their son has blue eyes and doesn't look Asian at all. If Kate does have blue eyes and Jon's father was of fair-featured European decent (Welsh or Irish?), I'm really surprised not one of the kids has lighter eyes or hair.
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I come from a blue eyed blonde family. My brother's kids are half Korean and do not look like him at all. They got none of his features and pretty much look all Asian. But I have also seen combinations where the kids do turn out blonde, so it varies a lot. My sister has bi-racial kids and 2 look it but the 3rd had straight blonde hair as a kid and very light skin and now her hair is black and wavy but she still does not look bi-racial.

Tami said...

Ice cream for dinner one night, when they can not even change the rules on the Tups birthday so that the boys, who weren't hand fed and didn't eat enough dinner were denied their birthday dessert.

Aunt Jodi is a total idiot for allowing the kids gum, but Kate gave gum out in Utah.

Kids must go to the corner for having a tantrum; when Kate throws them all the time!

Kate has tantrams, screams, hits, is disrespectful to everyone, is ungrateful, and rude to others, such as the bakery owners on the cupcake episode---then expects her kids to act differently
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At the 4th of July parade she was making them collect candy and then saying they can't eat it and then in the next scene bribing them with candy? Just stupid.

kittygirl19 said...

Has anyone ever seen KON read to any of the kids?

I was reading about the posts about the kids being allowed into the NICU. My daughter was a preemie (28 weeks) and was in the NICU for over 2 months. Siblings were only allowed on Sundays if they were healthy (they had a "mini physical" to determine this) and only parents and granparents were allowed to visit. If parents took videos in the NICU they were only allowed to video their own child, no others, and you couldn't walk through the NICU with your camera on, you had to leave it off and only film at your baby's isolette. During my daughter's stay an ad/commercial for a new (at the time) preemie pacifier was filmed and all the parents had to sign waivers/releases allowing the possible filming of our babies. Unfortunately, maybe the parents at the NICU did the same, which I can't imagine. My daughter's aunt used to lie and say she was a grandparent to get in to see my daughter and it pissed my off so much because she had a school age child and it was cold and flu season and she didn't consider that she could get my baby or someone else's baby sick. I cant believe the health of the preemie was put in jeapordy like this.

Im glad the kids dont look like Kate.

During Cara's "special day" episode, when they go to get rollerblads, Jon says about taking the kids out individually, "financially this is not something we can do very often". But he can go out to bars.

Does anyone else think Jon and Jenny had/have something going on?

I can't figure out the new house either.

Most of Kate's clothes are from Ann Taylor LOFT. I love that store and have had to return some items after I see Kate wearing them. The "handbag" (really a totebag) that Jon gave Kate for Valentine's day is from there, as is her black and white bag and her turqouise beach bag and numerous tops and other outfits.

Im new to this site. You guys do great work!

Annabelle said...

The other day on the FAQ show they were airing both "embarrassing and favorite" episodes.

RE-the embarrassing ones, it really stood out to me that (according to Kate's responses) Jon was always at fault and Kate was always the one who had been "in need of help" thus excusing any need for her to say she was sorry for her actions towards Jon.

It saddens me...and makes me glad that I'm an average person, with a wonderfully average life.

I don't like a lot of what I see and hear on that show, and do find that sometimes find myself sending an arrow prayer on their behalf.

Hope that Kara has the chance to shine with her academics and sports...seems like a sweet hearted young lady.

Angelena said...

I just happened to catch the infamous "Gum Episode" and OMG...I think my heart is still breaking! I have a son that is around the same age as Collin was in that epi and when he was crying " but teddy bear is my buddy" I just about lost it! Someone PLEASE tell me that she did not throw that bear away???

Jan in Pa said...

Natalie and Abigail,

I wanted to let you know that while we don't have any mountains as breathtaking as those in Utah, we do have some nice ski facilities in Pennsylvania that Jon could go to.

In fact, he lives within a few hours of a number of them.

I think Jon just wants to be wherever kate isn't. When they do their interviews now, it seems as though its the first time they have spoken to each other since the previous interview. I don't think they are living as husband and wife. Jon's behavior has done wonders for poor little old Huntingdon, though.

Also, I don't know who mentioned this, but I think it is quite possible that the filming does take place in a building other than the real house. I agree that they have a "filming pseudo-house". I think thats why they don't care about the shoes.

On another note, I saw an early episode this weekend. Kate was nice to Jon and the kids. I wonder if she can't see how mean she has become?

Annabelle said...

Of course she was using ORGANIC peanut butter (and that was important for her to mention, why?)

Why not try ice?

In a household of her size, and her intense love of her laundry room, could she really not have had any "Goo Be Gone" or other similiar product made for the likes of removing gum, crayola, lipstick, oil...etc?

And didn't she just say earlier in the same show how she couldn't see just throwing clothes away? But a childs favorite toy is no problem...nice.

Aeris said...

Jennifer D Said...

Kate never took the easy road with those kids. She took them all to the 4th of July celebration with no stroller. I think that was pretty brave. She took them all to chocolate world without Jon, that was brave too. She took them all to pick out beds because she wanted it to be special for them. Jon didn't agree with her most of the time but she pushed to do what she thought was best for them.


IMO, Kate wasn't taking the rougher road in these instances, she simply had less "star power" back in the days and was not attracting freebies and sponsors yet. J&K were more naive and less spoiled and I think TLC took advantage of that in creating some *ahem* memorable episodes. I'll guarantee TLC paid for the beds, but only if J&K took all the kids to the furniture store so it could be filmed. It didn't matter if Collin was sick, they had to get it filmed or no free beds. Chocolate World was probably paid for as well. This was before Kate was getting free day trips, so free admission for all nine of them was probably a huge deal. The rings at the 4th of July parade might have been their first stab at product sponsorship. There was a lot of emphasis on those rings and plenty of screen time.

The more this family has been pampered, the worse they've become. KON can't just accept free admission to a theme park now, they expect a travel nanny, bodyguards and unlimited cuts in line. They've also gotten a LOT smarter about showbiz. She and Jon now know how much money they missed out on early in the show's run and are probably resentful of F8's manipulation, hence the two of them becoming producers with no Jenn Stocks in sight.

One thing I have to say is I really hate KON calling their show/appearances their job. It is not a job, it is an opportunity, simply earned by having a unique family and exploiting it. It's not an honest job, that's for sure.

Angie said...

I had the most wonderful mother-in-law and miss her so much. She was French and my father-in-law was English and had a fair complexion.
All seven of their kids look most like their mother with dark hair and brown eyes. Once when she was holding my son she said "It's just too bad they can't stay this size".
It was like she couldn't relate to them once they got older or that they didn't need her that much.

For as much as Kate wanted babies, it is just so hard to understand how her career and money can be more important than those precious "Blessings". She is so self-absorbed and I think in her mind she justifies being gone because she's making the big bucks for the family. Those children are growing up so fast and no amount of recording their lives on film will replace having time with them.

MsPeabody said...

So, Kate is now pushing for a talk show...LOL...I think she is so ridiculous and I personally wouldn't want to see her on a talk show but sure her sheeple would love it...Gag! What would she talk about? How tiring and exhausting it all is?
I watched one of the first shows they ever made and Kate looks so different now compared to then. I don't think it's just the weight loss, but I think she has had work done on her face.
I do think Jon and Jenny had something going on and that is why she is no longer the Nanny or sitter as Kon liked to call her. When Jenny first showed up, I felt there would be trouble and it wouldn't be long before Kate got rid of her. Looks like Kate now has an older Nanny if what I've heard is true. Kate wanted to make sure Jon doesn't have any fun while she is away...LOL...I am assuming.

MsPeabody said...

momof4 said...
I was reading some of the comments about Kate's fertility issues. I don't know anything about PCOS but from what some of you have been saying it is not easy to get pregnant and that she doesn't seem to have a lot of the visible symptoms. It seems to me she got pregnant quickly both times. They started within months of being married (I don't remember the exact timeline) and she was pregnant within 6-7 months. Then when they decided to do it again, she became pregnant pretty much right away. Is this normal with IUI?
Also, did anyone notice on the episode of them when the twins were babies, she had them at the
4th of July parade in the stroller with a big sign on the side that said "The Gosselin Twins"? Now, I have a set of twins and I never felt the need to do that. Do you think she was looking for that recognition or attention or whatever way back then? Just wondering.


I also thought that was odd for her to put a sign on the stroller. I don't know anyone who does that except for Mrs.Notsogreatkate. I think she has always made herself to be the center of attention. I don't know if that is the result of her upbringing or what, not that it excuses her behavior now, it doesn't! I also question her fertility issues and speculate that she wanted multiples all along; it sure gets her all the attention she lusts after. I think she does the things she does to gain more attention. Greed and Fame seems to be her motivation in this life. Life is so short and what a waste she has made of it and so sad for those eight children.

Cortney said...

"Does anyone else think Jon and Jenny had/have something going on?"



I'm not going to defend any of these people but I can honestly say I don't think anything was going on there. She did dress in too tight clothes for watching the kids but I doubt anything was going on with Jon.

etownie said...

A lot of comments about whether or not the kids look 1/4 Korean. I have always wondered the same thing myself. My son is the exact same racial makeup of those kids. He is blonde with brown eyes. Most people have no idea he is 1/4 asian, unless I tell them. I have often wondered if Kate was implanted with different eggs, or used a sperm donor or something because all of those children have such strong Korean features. They look more Korean than my husband who is 1/2.

babeeberry said...

Omg...this has to be the BEST interview of Kate I've ever heard! It may have been posted before, I'm not sure. It's a radio interview and they are hammering Kate on her treatment of Jon, her attitude and even "icey stare!" I just wish more people would ask these questions of her!


Kristin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfhfQntH1A

ihateeveryone said...

ihateeveryone said...
One of the contestants on American Idol has the same 'do.

LMAO....Lil Rounds. I though the same thing.


Actually I was thinking of Adam Lambert :O

RealMomwithTum said...

On another note, it bothers me the way Kate looks. Mothers who look perfect are not realistic. Remember the baggy shirts Kate used to wear? Remember when her face had a few pimples and wrinkles.....that is how moms look!

3/15/2009 4:59 PM

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thanks for saying that!! Cuz that is how I look many days...lol
Oh, and my "tummy" has no tone left in it either (SEVEN kids , all SEPARATELY), but alas, no freebies for this queen./

Crystal said...

I saw a show on the Discovery Channel Saturday night called "Then Came Six" about the Harris’, an African-American couple who had also had fertility treatments and had sextuplets. According to the Discovery Channel, their sextuplets were the only surviving set of sextuplets. Did anyone else see it or have seen it before? I’m not sure how old it was or if it was new.

Their kids are older than Kon's kids. The way the parents acted was so VERY different than Kon. Yes the husband and wife teased each other, but that was it; it wasn’t mean, personal digs like Kon does with each other.

Unlike Kon, both parents work. The father is a teacher, and the mother was attending nursing school.

They had a very nice house, which they explained that the reason it was so nice was because Extreme Home Makeover entirely re-did their little old house a couple of years ago. And unlike Kon, they didn’t sell that house and buy another one (based on when the show was taped).

Unfortunately, one of the sextuplets has autism, but they handle it well and do not complain, whine, or go “why me” about it. Again, they are so much different than Kate. She seems to complain about everything when it comes to her 8 healthy kids.

The mom also mentioned that because her children were premature that their language skills/development will more than likely be slower than other kids their age. And again, unlike Kon, they are actively taking steps to help improve their child’s verbal skills. The mom also learned some sign language in order to communicate with her autistic son. Compared to Kon’s kids, their verbal skills were so much better than Kon’s kids. I wonder if Kon weren’t constantly away on “business trips” and ski trips that maybe their kids would speak a little bit more coherently. I know Kon has said that they have to attend these meetings, etc. because it is “their job” and they do this because it is to help their family, but I wonder in the long run, is it really helping these kids?

I guess my point is, and I know many have commented about it before, when looking at other families with multiples it just emphasizes how ungrateful, selfish, and greedy Kon is. Nothing is ever good enough for them and they will never be happy. Unfortunately, I don’t think Kon will ever be thankful for what they have. Like the saying (song?) goes, they don’t know what they got until it’s gone.

Why r they still 2gether? said...

The kids do look more like Jon
than Kate- This is how I see it-
Who looks more like mom or dad in order:
Jon
Mady
Aaden
Colin
Hannah
Joel
Leah
Cara
Alexis
Kate
What do you think?

craftycorner said...

3ts:

The Duggars have a habit of going to auctions where they get appliances and things at as little as 1/10th normal price. The washers and dryers are such a grab. So is their industrial kitchen.

jill said...

Could it be that Jon's dad was having health issues and wanted grand kids before he died? That would expalin the rush to have children after they were married.

Maybe he paid to have it done?

Maybe Kate was worried that they would get less of an inheritance if thet did not have kids...or that they would get more if they did have kids.

Did Jon's dad pay for the first house? There is no way they could afford it on their own.

momtobe said...

Ew...two new episodes on the twenty-third. I guess "B-Ball and More" is the one where the get booed at the globetrotters game.
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I'm pretty interested to actually see this one...I'm betting all the boos get edited out.

jill said...

RE: MsPeabody

Jon's father was well known in the community. She wanted to stand out..."They are not just any twins, they are THE Gosselin twins".

MirandaB2008 said...

yesterday I caught Bits of an older episode. It was the one where ' Hannah pooped in hers unnerwears' but once we got to that part ( the discovery) I turned it cause I couldn't watch that again LOL>

anyway, my point ( and I do have one ) I could NOT get over the difference between ' then and now'!! Have they gotten a new Interview chair? have they gone from a 2-seater ' chair' to a wider loveseat?

the pair of them barely fit together in this older Episode and they were sitting 'together'.The new ones have Kate all clinging to the right side of the arm with an obvious space between them.

The difference in her appearance is extremely noticeable. She appears to be about 20 pounds thinner now at least. Her face in the older episode is much 'softer and rounder' and her hair is Normal.
The new ones? good Grief! her face is thin, sunken in cheeks, cranky look on her face most of the time, and the Hair! well ' nuff said.

MirandaB2008 said...

" Just moved said :I couldn't believe all of the crap laying around including the rack of shoes. It made one thing clear to me - Kate's new TV gig will definitely have nothing to do with home decorating. Doesn't this house have a rear entry into the kitchen? It certainly doesn't appear to be a well-laid out home for a large family with young children."
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I noticed that as well. I believe the room immediately next to the entry is a very LARGE dining room. If that was my home? I would take an area from that and make a decent sized 'entry area/mud room' with coat racks,hooks for bookbags etc and shelving for shoes,baskets of personal items etc.
If Kate is the Queen of Organization? it's strange they haven't done so yet? Did you also notice? there is no Entryway coat closet either. I thought that was unusual.

MirandaB2008 said...

" Jonandkatewho? said As for her, I've just had enough. She is not a maternal person. She may love babies, but she doesn't like kids, or even people for that matter. Maybe it's not her fault and she just is the way she is. That is still no excuse for the lying or her treatment of her family. Why not just admit that she is now the "business" person in the family and prefers it that way, instead of pretending to be a parent/involved mother to the kids? "

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I watched one older episode yesterday when the babies were still not potty trained reliably.The Hannah pooed one.
and I noticed a HUGE difference in Kate's demeanor and the way she was around the children. In that one? she was actually down on the floor with them playing and helping with a Puzzle on the floor and OOOOOOOh-ing and Awwwwwwwwing over how clever they were.She was actually SMILING and acting Happy to be their Mom.

It made me kinda sad really? as these newer episodes? it's as if she almost can't be bothered with the kids AT ALL. Like they are just things to be tolerated.

I'm thinking now of the one when she was so busy cleaning the stupid fridge in the new house that she eventually got rid of anyway!!??!!??that she couldn't be bothered to go and help one of the boys with a ' wiping situation' in the bathroom because they didn't call out for her properly. ARRRGHH!!

SchadenKON said...

I just read the April 2009 issue of Glamour magazine. It says that the "rooster do' hairstyle is a "Cock-a-doodle-don't". Just some FYI!

Anonymous said...

Just a couple things I have noticed. Think back to when each of the kids had their own day...Jon and Kate both when on the days for the girls, but when it came to the boys, it was only Jon that went.

Also, remember the episode where they had the lesson on 'going green', the lesson was a big hit with the kids...so after having the lesson...why the heck is she still using a crap load of paper products...Kate- its called dishes and put them in the dishwasher...put away the paper products.

PAmama said...

I was watching the "never before seen footage" episode that struck me as just plain cruel. The Moro Rock part where Jon and the twins are climbing it while K8 is yelling to not let them slip or fall while climbing up stone stairs. Mady was terrified and Jon lifted her up while walking up the stairs and she is screaming because you can see over the edge and k8 or jon mentioned it was 400 ft up, what a great daddy to hold up your obviously terrified child so she can see much more clearly how much of a fall it is. to me that seemed the cruelest thing to me, why could they not let her stay with scaredy cat k8 at the bottom. What a fun memory that child must have screaming and crying up high on a mountain forcibly being carried.

realitybites said...

I find it interesting that the VERY thing that J & K claim to have done in the best of and for their CHILDREN ( throwing themselves in to the media/public spotlight) is the VERY thing that is causing undo stress and turbulance on their marriage.

one_lovable_cutiepie said...

So yesterday I was on the TLC website watching little web eps of Mommy dearest plus that guy.. Well there is a eps on their with Kate feeding the pups. After she gets all done feeding them and o.c.d. ing the dogs dishes she gets them outside a.s.a.p. Well I swear I heard the one of the pups yelp. I was like omg did she do something to them or accidentally step on the pup. You would think if it was just a accident you would see her say oh I’m sorry sweetie I didn’t mean to. No not Kate be any means. She just pushed them outside through the door for them to play. While they looked at her like they just did something bad…
I was just disgusted. Sometimes I just don’t know if it’s the editing they portray on the show. Or Kate is a major B word.

Another thing I was talking to my mom about the show and how its majorly changed. Very downhill since the devil got his foothold on Kate. My mom is a born again Christian like myself. My point of view on love offerings should be greed offerings in a church no less. Pride the way Jon and Kate have received free medical procedures, house, free products etc the list could go on and on and they brag about it. I’m not saying they should be a holy thy thou or be preaching every time you turn around. But just once appreciate each other respect each other and love ther kids. Also don’t ask for anything and don’t complain. It will be a cold day in hell I know before this will happen. But they are acting like they just won the lottery. Sometimes new blood with money doesn’t last as much as old blood with money. Look at a lot of failing stars, musicians etc with money woes. The gosselins might just be in that chain reaction someday.

My5blessings said...

Omg...this has to be the BEST interview of Kate I've ever heard! It may have been posted before, I'm not sure. It's a radio interview and they are hammering Kate on her treatment of Jon, her attitude and even "icey stare!" I just wish more people would ask these questions of her!


Kristin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfhfQntH1A

BUMMER, it's gone. It was removed.
What did she say??

Where'sJenny? said...

Does anyone know what happened to Jenny (I'm not talking about speculations...I mean does anyone really know what happened to her?)

We sort of know what happened with Beth and Aunt Jodi but I have no clue why Jenny was dropped and never seen/heard from again.

Dr. P said...

People may lie and get away with it, but body language seldom lies.

Lack of Interest - Body sagging as individual slouches in seat - face appears blank - sitting with legs crossed and foot kicking slightly. (I'd say this is Kate)

Non-receptive - Army or legs crossed. When legs are crossed & arms are not it may be a deliberate attempt to appear relaxed. Look at head - is it inclined away from the other person? (Both exhibit this)

Deception/Lying - A deceptive body is concerned about being found out, and this concern may show anxiety (minor twitches of muscles around mouth and eyes, fidgeting). To avoid being caught, there may be various signs of over-control, such as signs of attempted friendly body language (forced smile - mouth smiles but eyes do not), touches face, hand over mouth, pulls ear, eyes down, shifts in seat, looks down and to the left, avoids eye contact. Palms hidden. (Here we have Kate again - watch her eyes - always looking down and then to left)

Submissiveness - Body is Hunching inward to reduce the size of the body, arms held in - head and chin down, avoids looking at other person. (This is definately Jon)

Also, re Jon going out drinking with co-eds in PA. He said that he went out for a dirnk to blow off steam. In reality what he's doing is trying to recapture the youth that he missed out on. He got married relitevely young and had a large family right away. Although he's got fame (if you can call it that) and fortune, he does not have the life he missed. He never went to college and missed out on the whole college scene and that's what he now wants

Note these are my opinions & I don't know them nor have I treated them - just observations.

Natalie and Abigail said...

I always thought she put the sign on the stroller as if they were a float in the parade. Still a little strange, but I kind of imagined her saying, "oh, let's pretend the girls are in the parade too!" The sign was like,"X Marching Band".

That, of course, gives her the benefit of the doubt. But, since it was just the twins back then, it's hard to imagine anyone caring who they were.

Virginia said...

Jenn, are you kidding me when you say that poor Collin, sweating and crying and in obvious distress wasn't "that bad"? It was really bad, IMO, really, really bad to do to a child who had no business going shopping or anywhere feeling the way he did. I think Jon had some sympathy for him, but Kate showed no interest whatever. It was outrageous. And as for them paying for all that furniture, I doubt that very, very much. He was an IT guy without a degree and has said they couldn't afford the twins. So all of a sudden his salary increased that much? I don't think so.

Virginia said...

I've also always thought Alexis, with her lighter hair and lighter skin, looked more caucasian than the others. And Collin, even though he has Asian like eye shape and color, his face looks less round than the others.

Jessica said...

Last night I caught an episode of Alexis' "special day" with KON. In one scene, Kate brushes her hair and mentions how tangly it is while spraying it with a green bottle. I don't know I would have noticed the next action before reading this blog. She purposely twist her hand and place the green bottle's front toward the camera. I could tell it was an awkward, unnatural movement and I'd bet money on it she was required to make sure the brand was shown.

pamommyof3 said...

pamommyof3
Even back when the twins were born they were looking for handouts and were trying to get a lot of attention, it is true that their stroller had a sign on it that said Gosselin Twins.

Amy said...

I was just thinking about where J/K started and where they are now. Kate meets Jon at a picnic and is enthralled. Jon has a girl friend at the time but within a short time Kate has edged her out. Bye bye girl friend. Jon comes from a family with means (father was a successful dentist) and was able to travel in Europe, hold jobs for a short while and generally have fun in his late teens and 20’s. Now comes Kate. He’s now married and shortly thereafter has twin girls. The walls start to close in. Doesn’t get to play as much because he has family responsibilities. His personality is to be laid back to the point of lazy (IMO). Don’t worry about keeping a job, there’ll always be another one. Kate the meantime has her beautiful daughters and is a nurse, a steady job. Not enough, time to make some real cash. She gets interested in the McCoughney’s multiples and by whatever means necessary becomes pregnant with 6. Volunteers and family help her and she accepts the help within reason. Babies come home and they are a LOT of work. The fantasy vs. reality collide. Kate can’t do it on her own (with Jon’s help) but doesn’t want the helpers in her house/space. TLC enters the picture with a special. Aaaah, look at the cute babies. Aren’t the parents just amazing how they can do this all on their own emotionally and financially. Well, they simply need a TV show to document the lives of the babies because they are too busy. After all, people want to peek in their curtains anyway. Now the babies are 4 ½ years old the twins are 8, Kate is off making speeches and the talk show rounds, etc. Jon, no longer the happy-go-lucky snowboarding kid, is trapped. He’s a stay-at-home Dad taking care of the kids day in and day out, albeit with a Nanny. But still he has no freedom. His wife doesn’t respect him. The children only care about their own needs as children do. The family and friends went bye bye long ago. Off he goes to visit his Mom as an excuse to run away from the madness and reverts to his carefree days of guys in bars hitting on girls. The media gets wind of it and suddenly he’s on the tabloids for the wrong reason. Kate’s carefully constructed life has hit a major bump. She and the PR spin doctors say the marriage has hit a rough patch. Kate will get through this because she always does. But what about Jon and the kids. Kate has found her happiness (or whatever she calls it) by fame and fortune. Jon’s a grown man and should made decisions that are appropriate for him, their marriage and the children. As for the kids, their cuteness is fading, as babies grow into tweens. Are they still of use to Kate? She’s gone 18 days a month telling others how to parent their children, when she’s not there to parent her own. Now there’s talk of Kate having her own talk show which means more time away for the children. What happens now? I can’t even fathom a guess, its just a train wreck that I can’t look away from. Sorry this got so long-winded.

JustWondering said...

This IRKS me:

I went to one of Jon and Kate's speaking engagements last summer. I paid my $20.00 for the kids college fund (cash only...knowing them they only allow cash so they don't have to acknowledge the income they get from it from their taxes) not realizing they were getting a 1.3 million dollar mansion. I paid my $20.00 because after hearing them speak, I thought they were a family in need and so I thought I would contribute. BOY WAS I FOOLED!

Anyway, all that aside, Kate said during her rehearsed speech, that the only reason they take on speaking engagements at churches was because TLC edits out everything on the show that is in reference to their faith. She said that TLC didn't want them to talk about their Christianity so her and Jon felt led to go around and speak at churches (I am a Christian so I thought this was great). HOWEVER, now I am wondering about this. It isn't my place to questions whether or not God leads someone to do certain things BUT how come the Duggars faith isn't edited out of their show? If TLC didn't "allow" faith to be discussed on its shows, why are the Duggars discussing their beliefs and religion? It doesn't make sense to me!

aimee said...

I believe that the Duggars are allowed to showcase their faith because it's something that makes them interesting to viewers. They are really off the charts for most people and it gets people gawking because they are so unusual. I believe that J&K are not "allowed" to show their "faith" because it would become clear that they really aren't such hot Christians.

Also, it's not really a "draw" and might serve to alienate viewers who don't share their beliefs since they want the couple and their brood to appeal to as many people as possible.

Just my humble opinion :)

No More Exploitation said...

JustWondering said...
Kate said during her rehearsed speech, that the only reason they take on speaking engagements at churches was because TLC edits out everything on the show that is in reference to their faith. She said that TLC didn't want them to talk about their Christianity so her and Jon felt led to go around and speak at churches (I am a Christian so I thought this was great). HOWEVER, now I am wondering about this. It isn't my place to questions whether or not God leads someone to do certain things BUT how come the Duggars faith isn't edited out of their show? If TLC didn't "allow" faith to be discussed on its shows, why are the Duggars discussing their beliefs and religion? It doesn't make sense to me!

3/16/2009 8:37 AM
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Judge Judy has said "If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true."

So Just Wondering: What J&K say doesn't make sense and it isn't true. TLC can't edit faith INTO the show if they don't see it. You were KONNED for your $20.

ICExploitation said...

Regarding the religion issue - the Roloffs are openly showed praying before meals and at their religious services. I believe the children (at least the younger ones) attend a Christian school - this was shown at Molly's graduation.

Why are Jon and Kate shown praying before meals?

Probably because they don't. During the North Carolina episode when they "tried" to say grace - some of the children had already started eating. IMO children that say grace regularly know not to start their meal until thanks have been said.

Church? I know they went when there was an episode about it - but aren't Sabbath days reserved for speaking engagements? They attend the Church of Cha-CHING.

talklesssaymore said...

I have noticed, asking around my friends to see which ones like J&K and which ones don't, that the women who do tend to be the ones who are more outwardly feminist. As in the same people who give me a hard time because I'm planning to change my last name after I get married. I find that really interesting.

And my friend who is most vocal about it says that she sees absolutely nothing wrong with the way Kate treats Jon. But then again, she treats her husband like a roommate. They split everything in exactly half. Write two checks for the rent, for groceries, etc.

Lots of luck said...

Catching up on KON news today while still trying to get over Oprah and Dr. Phil promoting their show, I read that Dr. Phil's ratings are up 15% with the Kate and Nadie interviews.

Dear Dr. Phil and Oprah,
As a former fan especially of Dr. Phil I will never watch either of you again. Knowing I have said it before, I just simply cannot move past this!!! You, two highly regarded educated people just
cannot see what you are doing. Psychologist??? Doctor??? Go back to Psych 101 - look in the mirror do you like what you see? You have both helped so many but have now been corrupted. And all for RATINGS AND $$$!!! I'm just so sad that you are helping to make these innocent children's lives so abnormal. Someday, you may get the chance to have them on your shows and perhaps you can apologize for helping to ruin their little lives.

momof2innj said...

aimee said...
I believe that the Duggars are allowed to showcase their faith because it's something that makes them interesting to viewers. They are really off the charts for most people and it gets people gawking because they are so unusual. I believe that J&K are not "allowed" to show their "faith" because it would become clear that they really aren't such hot Christians.

Also, it's not really a "draw" and might serve to alienate viewers who don't share their beliefs since they want the couple and their brood to appeal to as many people as possible.

Just my humble opinion :)

i agree. I think that TLC might only slightly downplay the G's faith since we have seen them go to church and mention church pretty often on the show. But I know that the Duggars were very up front with TLC before they ever filmed that they would not hide their faith in any way. I guess J&K forgot about that when they thought sooo long and hard about whether or not filming would be a good idea for their family.
It's pretty interesting how J&K always swear up and down that the show is real and what you see is what you get but when they get called out on things it's always "Well it's because of editing that Kate comes off that way" and now it's "Well we have to speak at churches(for a fee even though we already make a fortune off our kids)because TLC doesn't let us show our true faith and beliefs" It's all damage control at this point.

Laurie said...

Actually poor Collin was impacted and not just constipated. If you'll recall they showed Jon taking him out to the van to help releive him (even though they didn't show a close up they filmed it and you heard Jon's comments). Jon described how he had to put a plastic bag on his hand and stick his finger in to remove the obsticle (can't remember his exact words). This just made me cringe for Collin - how uncomfortable was that! This would have been so much easier on the poor baby if they'd given him something (Phillips or a stool softner) to help ease the problem. They think only of themselves, the filming schedule and what is best for them. They could have left Collin home with a sitter or with Aunt Jodi for the day.

MichelleS said...

I just watched a rerun, Valentines Day from last year. I smiled and it was heartwarming to see there was love not only with their kids but between Jon and Kate! It was a fun filled day, everyone was happy!
Jon and Kate- thats what i personally miss about all of you. I pray one day you find your way back to that again.
( just a thought of mine..as i see what they have become these days..they are just different people now, i cant stand them. Such a shame from who they were to how they are now!)

8fan said...

omg!!!! who in their right mind would want to copy that hideous haircut. She should grow her hair out, maybe that would help her be more lady like lol

babeeberry said...

My5blessings:

I can still bring up the video/radio interview with Kate. I found it on Youtube. Here's the link again, and under it I put the search phrase. I hope this helps..it's an tough interview for Kate!

Kristin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfhfQntH1A

Search youtube:
Opie and Anthony: What's the Haps? with Kate Gosselin

bcd5 said...

I also caught the Babies and Bedrooms episode rerun last night, and I had seen part of it before, but not the Collin is miserable part. It actually made me sick to my stomach to see that child crying and Kate so obviously unconcerned. He was even saying I want Mommy, and she was just shooing him away with her hand, as unconcerned as anyone I've ever seen. THEN, they actually played the audio on Jon stimulating him to get him to have a bowel movement?! What person in their right mind would allow that to be heard on national television?! Then, Jon was even talking about it in the interview chair, almost bragging about it, and giving even more details. These people are wacko!!! I can not get over the look on Kate's face as she flipped through the pages of the almighty bed book, looking COMPLETELY absorbed in herself, while Jon and Collin were at the van and Collin was miserable... I have no desire to ever watch that miserable excuse of a mother on TV again. That is pathetic.

Kimberly said...

Kater-to-me thinks only of herself and what is best for her. She would never make it as a talk show host as she doesn't have the brains to keep the guests engaged in any kind of conversation that does not revolve around her. Many have tried and many have failed. Do you honestly think she could go up against Oprah, Ellen, the View or anyone else? I don't think so. Their 15 minutes of fame is about up. Once they are out of the public eye the speaking engagements iwll dry up. Hope they're investing well.

Sue said...

"Why r they still 2gether? said...
The kids do look more like Jon
than Kate- This is how I see it-
Who looks more like mom or dad in order:
Jon
Mady
Aaden
Colin
Hannah
Joel
Leah
Cara
Alexis
Kate
What do you think?"

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Some of the children definitely have more Caucasian features than others but I still don't see any specific contribution from Kate in them. You'd think that maybe just one out of eight could look a little like her. It just makes me wonder if this could possibly be a reason that she doesn’t demonstrate a lot of true love and affection towards these children because they biologically aren’t hers.
It seems that Kate is an impulsive person who always wants what she can’t have (or doesn’t have) then discards it.
… Jon sort of belonged to someone else until she set her sights on him. She gets him and now doesn’t particularly want him.
…. She had to have children right away and couldn’t try to become pregnant in the traditional way. So…boom, fertility treatments (possible donor eggs?) and twins are born. As soon as they outgrow the baby/preschool years she is ready to discard them.
….Needs more kids so off to fertility treatment again and ends up with six babies who now are becoming school age and she discards them for her “career.”
….Her children aren’t babies anymore so she needs puppies. Well, we all know that puppies don’t remain puppies for very long so they are quickly discarded.

GrammyPie said...

Could someone explain to me what IIRC stands for? I know the other abreviations, but this one I do not. I know most of us try to enlighten each other. Thank you.

Sue said...

"I also caught the Babies and Bedrooms episode rerun last night, and I had seen part of it before, but not the Collin is miserable part. It actually made me sick to my stomach to see that child crying and Kate so obviously unconcerned. He was even saying I want Mommy, and she was just shooing him away with her hand"

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She can do this because she has absolutely no maternal feelings towards the children. The very least she could have done was an attempt at looking concerned but if the maternal feelings aren't there...they just aren't there.

anon1967 said...

I'm not going to defend any of these people but I can honestly say I don't think anything was going on there. She did dress in too tight clothes for watching the kids but I doubt anything was going on with Jon.
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I agree, except some jealousy more than likey. It was probably a summer job, I believe she stopped showing up after summer shoots were over?

Sixxlet said...

And didn't she just say earlier in the same show how she couldn't see just throwing clothes away?

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I heard that, too. And she said something like, if she had to throw away an outfit because of a stain, that would be like throwing away 6 outfits. I guess she meant that she would never use the other 5 outfits again, because she only uses them as complete sets so she can dress them all identical? I'm really not sure what she meant.

Sixxlet said...

PAmama has left a new comment on the post "Free Discussion 3/14 - 3/20":

I was watching the "never before seen footage" episode that struck me as just plain cruel. The Moro Rock part where Jon and the twins are climbing it while K8 is yelling to not let them slip or fall while climbing up stone stairs. Mady was terrified and Jon lifted her up while walking up the stairs and she is screaming because you can see over the edge and k8 or jon mentioned it was 400 ft up, what a great daddy to hold up your obviously terrified child so she can see much more clearly how much of a fall it is. to me that seemed the cruelest thing to me, why could they not let her stay with scaredy cat k8 at the bottom. What a fun memory that child must have screaming and crying up high on a mountain forcibly being carried.
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My take on that is that Mady started out wanting to go. About halfway up, she started freaking out, and Jon didn't want to have to take her all the way back down and then go back up again to catch up with Cara ( I wouldn't want to leave Cara up there alone either). Since Mady was resisting, he just carried her up. He couldn't take her back down or leave her standing there, right? That was my take on it.

emma said...

Debbie Beck said...
So, 'Skunk' is the new 'Rachel'?


Ha-ha!! I love it!!

AC said...

Here's what I noticed:

Kate is thinner, tanner, wears more stylish clothes, and has had plastic surgery - but she still can't seem to hang on to Jon. He seems to want to get away even more. Hmmmm......

All that up-keep and money - and you can't keep your husband home for V-Day??

stop the circus said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXfhfQntH1A
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OMG, listening to part 1 now, they have her pegged!

Why r they still 2gether? said...

It is really weird that Kate took
such strong fertility drugs and
Jon's sperm had to be washed-they
were so young for such aggressive treatment-
I have pcos- and had 2 kids in my twenties- I was young and slim like Kate- but the doctors didn't
hyperstimulate my ovaries-
I took provera to be regular and
clomid to ovulate- we got pregnant the old fashion way- I
charted my temp to know when I ovulated.
I had one baby each pregnancy.
I know this is way too much info-
but pcos is a mystery to many.
The condition is pretty obvious
to your doctor if he or she knows your history-
I think a woman would have to do a few years of clomid before taking
much stronger drugs- unless they
wanted multiples.
Kate was very aggressive with her
treatment from the beginning-
Why was she in such a rush?
Even women with no fertility
problems usually don't get
pregnant right away.
Multiples are so common now- I
think doctors are too aggressive
with the new fertility drugs.
Nobody wants to try lower doses
or less strong drugs- they
all want to get pregnant
ASAP no matter what the
consequences.
Does anybody know what Kate took
to ovulate- if it was clomid- it
must have been a high dose.

tallblonde said...

GrammyPie - re: IIRC
"If I Remember Correctly -or- If I Recall Correctly."

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Another Yorkie Owner :)

ScarySkierNJ said...

I was home last week and spent a few days sick on the couch and watching TV. They had a special about the Morris Quads who were now four and the singleton who was six. Anyway, the mom had one of those leashes with the colored rings on them and all five of those kids walked as nicely as you pleased down the street. What a contrast to Kate taking her screaming brood down the street on July 4th and drawing even more attention to the kids by telling people "don't mind us ...... plug your ears." The Morris parents let the kids pick a color and if someone has that color they get told to pick another one and off they go. They live in Pa as well and only maybe an hour or so from J&K. They do it all without help and mom stays home and does all the leg work with the kids. She seems stressed, but you can see she loves them all and tries to spend time with them.

Also, I saw a home improvement show that had quads that were about 10. One boy and three girls and the house was a four bedroom so the boy had his own room and the host gave the oldest of the quad girls her own room and the other two had to share. The parents and the other two girls did not seem thrilled with it. They seemed worried about the favortism shown to the oldest girl (only by a minute). I think they came to a solution that each girl would get 4 months in the solo room, starting with the oldest. They seemed happy with that. I wonder how Leah and Alexis will feel down the road with Hannie getting her own space. Time will tell.

Why r they still 2gether? said...

I wanted to add- as a nurse
Kate could have lied about the symptoms of pcos to get treated
aggressively and almost guarantee
multiples- she had way too much info!

Just Moved said...

Just Moved said,

"It certainly doesn't appear to be a well-laid out home for a large family with young children."

LAP said...
"I watched the epidose last night as well and thought the same thing. The house really does seem to have a weird layout that I can't seem to grasp on where the rooms are.

They totally need some more closest space there by the front door to shove all those shoes and coats in."

I don't know what really happened with this real estate transaction but it does seem that Kate and Jon really didn't make any major decisions when buying this property. I wonder if they even looked at it before the quickie move. We all know Kate was away when the move took place -how strange is that? What mother/wife wouldn't have planned her schedule so she would have been here when a major move was taking place. I sometimes wonder if Jon didn't move here by himself. Almost like those stories you hear, where one partner is away and the other one moves without a forwarding address. LOL!

I also thought when they took the kids for the first look at the house (the one where Kate did the fake four hour cleaning of the moldless refrig) Kate and Jon seemed surprised at some of what they saw. Each time I have moved I have every inch of the new house memorized and already furnished in my mind long before I move in. Maybe that only happens when you are putting every dollar of your hard earned money into a down payment. I just think there is something very fishy going on with these two in the last couple of months. Maybe I just possess a vivid imagination.

shell said...

one_lovable_cutiepie said...
2 questions that are on my mind , I was wondering if anyone knew…

1. Multiple Blessings the book. Why isn’t Beth at any of the book signings? She is part of this book as much as Mommy Dearest. ( Did her and Kate have a disagreement to?)

2. Kate and her infertility treatments. If most insurance company’s do not pay for this service. How did they afforded this 2 times ?

if this has already been asked countless times. I'm sorry

It has been said before that rumor is that kate and beth had a disagreement as well for the same thing as Jodi.
Also kate Had INTERUTERINE insemination and it is not nearly as expensive (I had that tried for 6 yrs)

Anonymomma said...

They had a very nice house, which they explained that the reason it was so nice was because Extreme Home Makeover entirely re-did their little old house a couple of years ago. And unlike Kon, they didn’t sell that house and buy another one (based on when the show was taped).

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Now it makes sense...Jon's little jealous rant on Triplet Connection forums about having to pay taxes on their own home remodel and how the family who was the topic of discussion concerning Extreme Makeover Home Edition redoing their house had better be aware that it wasn't "free". He sounded really pissed about the family they were discussing, very jealous.

As soon as I read your post the lightbulb went off...that is who he was reffering to. Go check out the link (I think it's on the main page)and read what he wrote on that message board. It all makes sense now.

sad stuff said...

I have a huge huge problem with J&K receiving a "love" offering from churches they speak or show up at. I don't know, but in my churh (I am a born again believer) love offerings are usually given to people who come to speak, sing, play instruments, whatever, most of which are missionary's to foreign countries, home on furlough. Their main source of income is that of monetary gifts from various churches that support them, and when they are in the area, to speak to our church, they receive a love offering to offset any living costs they have while on furlogh (home from the mission field). O.K. so here is why I have a huge problem, don't they (j&k) charge an enormous up front fee to speak to these churches? Seriously, how dare they even accept an additional love offering? I think that is one of the sickest devious things I have heard of. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of dollars they receive from product placement crap, tlc, p&g, k-mart-etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah..... Man, how do they sleep at night?

yeaisaidthat said...

"Kate was very aggressive with her
treatment from the beginning-"

Kate said that they ( I am assuming 'they' to mean J & K along with their doc) proceeded with fertility treatments 'just in case it would take a long time'. IMO, 'fertility treatments' were used because Kate wanted to become pregnant ASAP and NOT because of an infertility issue. I question the medical ethics of any fertility specialist that agrees to pursue such aggressive fertility treatments on a patient ie Kate Gosselin on the reasoning of 'just in case it will take a long time'.

Sharla said...

Let's not have any more comments speculating about the kids' heritage please. What is known is one thing, but please leave it at that. Thanks.

Janine said...

Does anyone know where I can find the Q&A with Aunt Jodis sister?? I have seen parts of it posted here and there in comments but I haven't ever seen the whole thing...any ideas???

JJ said...

TLC has an old ep on right now where J&K are getting their wills sorted out.

"A family member and a few close friends." to take all 8 kids if something happens to them.

Oh really? I wonder where those people are now. They don't even have Scott and Jen anymore to hand the kids off to if they both kick the bucket.

Virginia said...

Shell, I think you mean intrauterine, not interuterine because inter would imply she had more than one uterus. Just saying...

Lots of people have trouble conceiving. The fact that you got pregnant on your honeymoon, was that a blessing or a curse? Could go either way.

Steph said...

sad stuff said:
O.K. so here is why I have a huge problem, don't they (j&k) charge an enormous up front fee to speak to these churches? Seriously, how dare they even accept an additional love offering? I think that is one of the sickest devious things I have heard of.

That's why most people have such a problem with them, too! They wonder why 'everyone' doesn't see the things we see and why they think all of their greed is ok. Rest assured that most people who post here feel the same as you, though - so you've got lots of company. I don't know if they've changed their policy of accepting love offerings or if they leave that procedure up to each church, but when Kate spoke 2 Sundays ago they did not take a love offering. I'm hoping the churches who persist in booking her feel that her huge fees are enough, family circumstances have changed and they simply don't feel it's necessary. But, only time will tell whether it changes.

cdnDVM said...

Most of the qualms I might have with this family and their decisions have been thoroughly covered somewhere or other in this blog, so I won't beat a dead horse...but one thing that, as an animal health care professional, I feel inclined to mention is...
...what were they THINKING by getting not one, but TWO German Shepherds?! I am not looking forward to the episode entitled 'one or more kids provoke dogs and get badly bitten; Kate labels dogs 'evil' and throws tantrum until they're gotten rid of'.
These dogs need serious structure and leadership. With it, they could be great pets; without it they will feel the need to provide it themselves, and then they'll be faulted for that. The kids will get bored with them, especially the care part, the dogs will act out, and the above scenario will occur, or the dogs will be relegated to a a life outside by themselves...I am sad for them already.
Maybe I should give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they will use this opportunity to teach their kids a sense of responsibility, and how to behave and handle dogs. But in considering the kids' level of etiquette so far...maybe they should have started with a goldfish.

Steph said...

Donna said:
Donna said...
I too caught a re-run this weekend while channel surfing. They were looking at one of the homes (NC possibly) and Hate walked into the kitchen and looked at that stainless steel fridge and said in that high pitched voice "fingerprints!"

So hate, do your appliances not show fingerprints? Are the kids even allowed to go into the kitchen to open the fridge and get a snack?

Whirlpool has a new stainless steel finish called 'Satina' so I'm sure Kate has no problems with fingerprints cause we all know there's no way she could have tolerated them.

Actually, I wonder IF the kids are even permitted to open the frig or the cabinets to look for something to eat or drink. The way they show her doling out the cups of snacks in such a regimented fashion I wouldn't be surprised if they've been scared away from looking for snaks for themselves.

Steph said...

Jennifer D Said...
Kate never took the easy road with those kids. She took them all to the 4th of July celebration with no stroller. I think that was pretty brave. She took them all to chocolate world without Jon, that was brave too. She took them all to pick out beds because she wanted it to be special for them. Jon didn't agree with her most of the time but she pushed to do what she thought was best for them.

Whaaat???
Kate used the rings instead of strollers for the 4th of July episode to promote the product, to parade her kids thru town, and to give the episode more material. There's no way, "clean, neat,regimented Kate" would have ever voluntarily chosen to not put those kids in strollers for that hellacious outing.

Kate took the kids to Chocolate World because it was scheduled per the production schedule and she had plenty of help - all the crew members and aids from the park.

She insisted on staying thru the bed debacle because she didn't want to stop filming to take care of her son's problem and then be bothered to have to tape the episode all over again. Those kids had no interest in the process of choosing new beds; their only interest came when the beds were delivered. The kids went along to the bed store simply to film an episode of the show anyway.

NOTHING they do on this show would occur if it wasn't planned in a production/story meeting, NOTHING. The show stopped being a 'diary' or tape of their life after the
2nd documentary and it has been a scripted/planned/budgeted tv show ever since.

glen said...

what is "KON?"

why r they still 2gether? said...

Kate+ Jon= KON

4girlsoneboy said...

Steph said...
"Whirlpool has a new stainless steel finish called 'Satina' so I'm sure Kate has no problems with fingerprints cause we all know there's no way she could have tolerated them."

I really think the new refrigerator is a SubZero, not Whirlpool, but maybe they do make a non-fingerprint model.

Steph said...

IIRC = If I remember correctly.

Steph said...

Why r they still 2gether? said...
I wanted to add- as a nurse
Kate could have lied about the symptoms of pcos to get treated
aggressively and almost guarantee
multiples- she had way too much info!
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Even without knowing anything about Kate's fertility issues I always thought there was a lot more to the story than she has told. I wondered if she had a different dr for the tups and didn't tell him the complete and accurate story. OR, if she wasn't completely honest with the first dr either. I recently read an old interview Kate did where she said that for the tups she decided to go to a dr right in their own town rather than travel to go to the one who helped with the twins.

I don't want to make more of this than there is, but her changing dr's for the second round (after the first was so successful and produced twins for them) makes me even more suspicious about their stories. And, I do believe they're just that --- stories.

organizedblogroll said...

The SubZero went in the basement.
The Whirpool one had plenty of prints on it when Jon was home with the kids by himself.

craftycorner said...

If Hannie really does have migraine headaches, as a migraine sufferer myself I will have to stand up and squawk that the child does need her own room. The noise of other children could be extremely painful for that little girl, and medicating young children with migraines is difficult. Preventing the evil suckers is the best thing you can do.

jen said...

In response to Kate having 2 fertility docs, in the book, she says that "although the 1st doc gave her twins, she wanted to try a different one."

I think she went to another one who would be much more agressive because 2 babies wasn't enough.

Reading news said...

organizedblogroll said...
"The SubZero went in the basement.
The Whirpool one had plenty of prints on it when Jon was home with the kids by himself."

what I read somewhere on line was that the reason the new stainless steel one was not shown in a close up was because the subzero company was not looking for an endorsement from this show. At the time I thought if I ever win the lottery I will definitely buy one of their products just because of that fact. If it had been from Whirlpool we would have seen the name on the front close up since she went on and on about her new washers and dryers and would have done the same thing with the new refrig. If it was the Whirlpool one then we wouldn't have seen any fingerprints because of the new finish on their products.

I really don't think the Whirlpool one would have been good enough for a gourmet cook like Kate.

Anonymomma said...

Actually, I wonder IF the kids are even permitted to open the frig or the cabinets to look for something to eat or drink. The way they show her doling out the cups of snacks in such a regimented fashion I wouldn't be surprised if they've been scared away from looking for snaks for themselves.

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This, I have to stick up for, if it's the case. I very recently began a new rule of order in my house. With five kids to feed, my grocery bill is insane (it's the biggest monthly bill I have). It used to be they could go into the kitchen at any point and get a snack, drink, etc. within reason (i.e. not right before dinner). But the past few months I began to notice a lot more wasting than actually eating. Especially when dinner time would come around and no one was hungry. The kids were throwing away their dinner and eating the fruit snacks and pudding. So we began a new regime of certain times of the day when they are allowed to take a snack (on school days it's after school, then desert after dinner if not a snack then, and then one before bed, non school days they are allowed one mid morning between breakfast and lunch, then the rest follows the school day routine). I would imagine that with 8 kids, the amount of wasting would be tremendous if not controlled.

Janice said...

kittygirl19 said...

What do you think k8 would do if the kids came home with lice?! That would be horrendously horrendous.

"OH LORDY-BE!!!"

Laura said...

And if Hannah suffers from migraines enough to need her own bedroom then why is there studio level lighting installed in the house and a flood of noise and foot traffic going thru in the form of production crew?

It's a double standard.

Anonymomma said...

What bothers me the most about Kate's 'career' is her reffering to herself as an accomplished, best selling author. Honestly, if I saw her in public, I would slap the beejesus out of her for making such a mockery of the profession. I've spent several years learning, writing, and perfecting what I do scribe, and just as long breakng into the business. And along comes this tart who did not even write a single sentence, yet has no problem taking the credit for someone else's work. She is a plagerist and nothing more. I really, really wish Beth would start getting involved in promoting her own work and stop allowing Keight to take credit for that which she did not do herself. I can't understand why she isn't speaking out about it more herself. I would be damned if I'd allow anyone to take the credit for a book I wrote.

timetogokon said...

If Hannie really does have migraine headaches, as a migraine sufferer myself I will have to stand up and squawk that the child does need her own room. The noise of other children could be extremely painful for that little girl, and medicating young children with migraines is difficult. Preventing the evil suckers is the best thing you can do.


**** How about getting rid of all the industrial studio lighting first?

Dani said...

Wow, I was just watching some old home videos of me when I was two. Very cute and not that embarresing since me parents only taped the cute/nice stuff.

I am struck by how much clearer my speach was AT TWO than the 'tups' speach is at age four 1/2. Heck, I was already talking in sentences and while I was watching it, I could tell pretty easily what two year old me was saying! When I watch J and K + 8, on the other hand, I'm glad to have the captions when ever the 'tups are speaking!

Not to brag or anything, Lol. Just bringing up a point. It could be that I was actually three or four in the videos, but my parents did say I was only two.

I feel very bad for the 'tups that their parents haven't taken the time to teach them proper grammer/speaking habits. Of course, with KON's grasp of the English language, what do you expect? I hope the 'tups don't get teased at school for their grammer. Kids tease about just about everything.

sad stuf said...

I don't understand why Beth hasn't stood up for herself either. I see taking the high road, but set the record straight as well. I wonder what really went down between the two "bff"'s?

C.P. MOM said...

I am watching Twins, Twins and Sextuplets. It is great how the parents speak so kind to their children. I hope that they continue this and not turn into a Jon and Kate. Things seems normal now for the Hayes family but I am wondering if their life (and show) will change when the freebies are offered to them as they were offered to Jon and Kate. That is when the J+K+8 began going downhill.
I am hoping that TLC exhibits dignity to Rebbecca, the child with C.P. I hope they do not show private moments as diapering and medical things that comes with an involved child. On the other hand I hope she is incorporated into the show just like the other kids and not left out because she is disabled. This show is an emotional one for me, as I have a child with C.P. and watching it, I hope TLC does the right thing by her. We all know some of the stupid things that TLC has taped with the kids on Jon and Kate.

JShine said...

I think they are a completely different family. For example, they talk about how every talk show in America wanted to have them on, and instead of doing that, the father did one big interview to ease peoples curiosity and answer questions.
I love this family. They have fun, and play, and laugh, and act like actual normal people. heck on the episode I just saw, they went home from an outing because one of the kids had to go to the washroom. The parents weren't mad, or upset, just shrugged it off and said that's life. I can't imagine KON in that situation, going anywhere near the same.

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