Were German Shepherds the Right Choice?

One writer doesn't think so.

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88 comments:

Regan said...

WOW! Mady is like a new child with those dogs! WONDERFUL!!!

Amber said...

I agree with golden retrievers and labs being on the list for good children-oriented dogs, but I'm a little confuded to see Australian Shepherds on the list.

We had an Australian Shepherd puppy when I was about six years old and ended up only keeping her for a couple weeks before sending her to a home more suited for her breed. Australian Sheps are herding breeds (much like German Shepherds) and need a lot of stimulation. They tend to bite a lot because their natural instinct is to herd things (sometimes children). She was somewhat of a scary puppy because of the biting/herding instinct - definitely not great for kids.

hug a collie said...

I agree that German Shepherds were the wrong choice. I have the utmost respect for this breed and would love to own one someday. But, they should have training (not just classes) but ongoing from the owners. These dogs are smart and love to have a "job" to do. As with any dog they should be walked daily, and require a calm, assertive master. Kate is never calm, and Jon is calm but not assertive so these two could make any type of dog unbalanced. I'm glad for the kids but I would have chosed a smaller, but sturdy companion type breed. Also even if you have thousands of acres of land dogs need to be walked or given a job to do on the land to excercise the mind. I just dont see Kate putting in the effort it takes to keep a dog. Sorry, if this bored anyone. I love dogs.

Its A Good Thing said...

I refuse to watch the webisodes because I do not want to contribute to the Gosselin greed but I definitely think German Shepherds are the wrong choice. They require training, patience and time. None of which J or K have.

Regan: If Mady truly is like a new child I wonder how she acted when the puppies were given back? Because honestly I could see Kate saying we just are not home enough to take care of two puppies.

momof5 said...

If those dogs live 15 years K&J won't have any children living at home then (probably). What will they do with the dogs then?

I was surprised that schnauzers weren't on the list. Or dalmations.

Our neighbors have a German Shepherd "puppy" & she is sweet, but her bark is LOUD, she can jump their 5 ft-ish fence & she is taller than me when she stands on her hind legs. The dog probably weighs 60-70 lbs too.

Piper77 said...

I also hope they didn't get littermates. It is not recommended to get littermates as they often bond more with each other than other members of the family. They become more 'dog dogs' than 'people dogs'. Its' recommened to train them separately and work in separate outings/play time do they don't become too dependant on each other. All equal a large time commitment!

Beth said...

The first thing I wondered when I found out they were getting German Shepherds was why in the world they would chose that breed. I don't know a whole lot about dogs, but I know that German Shepherds have a reputation of being aggressive (I realize that they are great pets for serious owners who put time and effort into raising them, of course), and I can't imagine that would work well in their large, chaotic family. I do believe that someone watches those kids, but they are certainly don't ever seem to be watched overly carefully...what if play time with the dogs gets too rough one day??? Not fair to the children or the animals.

I would hate to see the dogs taken away from those kids, but honestly it might be the best thing (if it actually happens). The whole situation just doesn't seem like it was planned out too well. But then, I don't believe KON thought too carefully about bringing 8 kids into the world, so I suppose I can't expect them to do the same for 2 dogs, either.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I am thinking they bought the dogs as "watch dogs" more than "family pets", but passing them off as "pets" for the pr. All puppies are cute, it is when they turn into 100 lbs of muscle who are looking for the leader of the pack that they turn into trouble.

the other judy said...

In the video that the article links to, Jon says "they've always wanted a dog so we said Ok, we'll try it".

Try it? You don't try out a dog...you try suschi or skiing....but a dog is a committment.

AnneMarie said...

When you get a pet, be it dog, cat, chicken, or dust bunny, EVERYONE needs to be totally on board with it. Period. Otherwise the pet comes into the house under a cloud of resentment. It will quickly turn into a PIA piece of work and then the animal ends up getting ignored.

Miss QKI who states, " I could go my whole life without having a dog." and who runs this house will NOT put up with the issues that dogs, especially puppies, bring into a household.

As stated by other readers, she hasn't trained her own children how to behave, even around KON. How on EARTH is this house going to manage dogs? It's not.

goldensglitter said...

As you can likely tell, I am a golden retriever fan and doggie lover. I have 2 goldens who are wonderful. One of them is a 2 1/2 year old male who still has puppy attitude and can be a knucklehead (I say that lovingly). I don't begrudge anyone wanting a dog or cat to love and for companionship since both offer unconditional love. However, they are always a ton of work and takes a firm committment to be a sucessful and responsible dog owner. I do not see these traits in KON and can only think these pups will be poorly behaved, miserable and ignored in this household. Young children can offer love, but not the skills it takes to work with and train a dog. You cannot send off the dog to obedience school and expect them to come home and stay model citizens if the training is not carried on in the home they are living. German Shepherds would not have been my breed of choice for this family, nor would be 2 puppies. 1 at a time is definately more than enough, even for the most seasoned owner. Hopefully the rumors are true and the puppies have been moved to a more suitable home. I love shepherds, they are a highly intelligent and attractive breed, but also very powerful and for an experienced dog owner, or at least an owner committed to spend the time with them that they deserve. Sorry, KON is not committed to anything but making a buck, with no regard to anyone's expense, their childrens nor anything else. IMO, the clock is ticking towards midnight for this show, and could not be soon enough.

Ssmith28 said...

I read on another blog that Kate already got rid of them citing one of her kiddo's allergies,but really it's because she couldn't stand the mess/smell. Guess we'll see.

Va Mom said...

I just can't believe TLC would be so stupid as to air this. Everyone knows there is no way Kon would ever be a loving mother dogs. I mean come on, she is in a panic over the simpliest things. Making your child lay on a laundry room floor when he is sick because you don't want to be bothered cleaning up the mess. A real caring, loving mother in that situation would be sitting and holding and comforting their child. A real loving, caring mother would not care if the child threw-up all over them, the chair, the carpet. I am just happy they did not keep the puppies. I just feel sorry for those kids that did care about the puppies. For once in their lives maybe they would have found something to love them unconditionally. TLC take this show off the air !!!!!

Va Mom said...

I hope no one believes this allgery excuse. If any of the kids were allergic to dogs it would have long been discovered as much time as they spent at their aunts house. But like another posted had said the stage was all set a long time ago. H gets migraines. H migraines = no more puppies!!!

maylene said...

i had a german sheperd as a kid. I think it totally depends. not every dog is the same. mine was great with kids, and there were four of us. he never went to any training or anything. he was the best pet.
we all miss him. we called him prince.


so these dogs might just be good with the kids, specially with more wild kids so they can romp together.

Cee said...

I am all for kids having dogs but dogs---especially german shepards---require a strong "pack leader" and a lot of training. I don't think a "hearder" would be good for a family with a lot of children. I also don't understand why they would get 2? They should have gotten 1 kid friendly dog then they could always add more pets later.

Puppies are a lot of work and shouldn't be taken on lightly. Having to get rid of a pet you have become attached to is horrible...maybe if they had given it more thought they wouldn't have had to do that (if they really did get rid of them)

Kacy said...

Sorry, but I have to disagree. German shepherds are great dogs, they are not aggressive...unless they are raised that way. As with any breed. Everyone thinks of them as guard dogs, because they can be great for that if trained that way. They are not naturally mean and aggressive. I grew up with one, and he was the sweetest dog ever. This whole which dog would be best is getting so redundant. It's NOT about the dog choice, it is about the people who choose the dogs. I totally agree they need love, attention, direction and a place to sleep inside. I cannot stand when people get dogs to leave them outside. That's when dogs become property and not a member of the family. I live in the heart of Amish/Mennonite country..puppy mill land. They treat their dogs like property. And I do agree that Kate would never fully take to dogs, that's obvious...they like attention, love, and they get dirty. Anyone who ever gets a dog and gives it away should NEVER get another dog...it's ridiculous! Anyone who has ever done that is just as bad as KON!....the pot cannot call the kettle black...

maylene said...

perhaps they got 2 cause its more dog to spread around, or maybe one is for maddie and one for cara as gifts....i dont think the dogs are going anywhere just cause someone posted on here they helped them get them and know all about it, doesnt make it true. anyone could say anything on here....the dogs are most likely there to stay. and kate will probably do just fine although she'll play it up for tv.

Kacy said...

Oh! forgot to say, that in the video clip Jon had said that whenever they go to someone's house the kids always play with the dogs there. You would know by now if your kids were allergic to dogs if they play with every dog they see. Also, I got 2 brothers from the same litter and they are great together and with the kids. One dog can get lonely, they suggest 2 so they have company and not get into trouble. I would never have just 1 dog at a time.

Carolina said...

That picture just about broke my heart, since I'm 99.9% sure Mady will have to separate from those puppies. Man, that poor girl is going to have such abandonment issues (if she doesn't already.)

organizedblogroll said...

Kate wanted the German Shepard for protection.

This is the LAST breed you would choose for this many children.

How about PIT BULLS, KATE??!!

Mady seems like she was the only one excited at the table about the dog, anyway.

Liesl said...

I gasped in horror when I first saw the commercial for the puppy episode. Getting puppies with that many kids in the house is a bad idea, unless the kids will be supervised with the dogs 24/7. Many kids that age have no idea how to properly treat a grown dog, much less a puppy, and that goes double for kids who've never owned a dog before.

I've owned large dogs (Alaskan Malamutes) for 20+ years--longer than I've had children. I've brought everything from an 8 week old puppy to a 6 year old rescue into my home. I assist an Alaskan Malamute rescue organization that I've adopted several of my own dogs from, and I can tell you there are MANY dogs in shelters and rescues because their first owners grossly underestimated the requirements of dog ownership. I currently own one of those very dogs myself--she was turned in to a shelter as an 8 month old pup by owners who "didn't have time for her". I can only hope for the best for these puppies of theirs.

heidi said...

For protection??? They had 20 some acres completely fenced in, probably alarm systems, a home no one but family can penetrate -
for protection????
Get a cat - they sleep 20 hrs a day, and will escape to somewhere
quiet to do so.
Thank god for college basketball games on monday nites.

doglover said...

Did I miss the puppy episode? I thought it would be on Monday PM but I see Regan already saw it and commented on Mady and the dogs.I will have to catch a repeat. Anyway I think German Shep/Collie mixes are probably better than a pure breed Shep but I love all of them. Big dogs have problems and little dogs have problems (one being they think they are BIG dogs.) All can be a wonderful asset to a family or to any home.

Mom of 3 kids and 3 dogs said...

I don't believe any breed of dog/puppy is right for the Gosselins rescue or otherwise. Jon and Kate are two people who should not own a dog. This, in my opinion, is a train wreck waiting to happen.

timetogokon said...

In the video that the article links to, Jon says "they've always wanted a dog so we said Ok, we'll try it".

Try it? You don't try out a dog...you try suschi or skiing....but a dog is a committment.

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This is not surprising because Keight and Jane know nothing about commitment, loyalty, obligation or responsibility. Everything they do is for the here and now with zero regard for the future:

- Jon has never been steadily employed (and I doubt that Keight's record is that great either)

- Cara's piano and Mady's violin lessons

- Keight and the family "going green" a la Sara Snow

- each kid's special day

- family mission statement

If the puppies are indeed given away after a few weeks, it will be just another example to add to the list. KON make me sick.

rachel said...

I'm pretty sure they will get rid of the dogs within a year. I can't see them sticking with the commitment, unless of course, someone from TLC is taking care of the dogs behind-the-scenes.

Jane in California said...

My sister is the kind of person who is sort of a dog-saver. In other words, she's never gone looking for a dog -- they always find their way to her. For years she had a German Shepherd female that a family felt they could no longer care for properly when their children went away to college. She was an adult female by the time my sis got her, well trained, obedient, smart and totally devoted to my sis. When she eventually had to be put down due to old age and illness, my sis thought she'd take a break, but it wasn't to be.

Her mail carrier stopped by one day to see if she would adopt their young German shepherd dog. He and his wife had young children, toddlers, and the dog was too rambunctious. My sis took the dog in -- and I'm telling you!! That dog is now approaching 4 years old and she's still highly energetic. On walks, she literally pulls you along. When younger, she dug up the yard something awful. She was never a bad dog -- just very energetic, and a little on the nervous side, lots of nervous energy. My sis is so patient. But it was abundantly clear that having young children around this bouncy, jump on ya, excitable dog was not a good idea. She doesn't bite, nor is she aggressive, but she's like a teenager who is still learning table manners.

Dogs can be wonderful companions for adults and children - but should be chosen wisely, and with the full knowledge of the responsibility it is to care for and properly train your pet. If I was the Gosselins, I would have chosen a smaller dog, one known for it's calmness and placid temperament.

When I was growing up, we had a Boxer. He was well trained and an excellent dog for our family. He also was extremely gentle with babies -- and would sit beside the blanket if the youngest was on it, quietly on guard, and the baby could climb all over that dog and he never turned a hair. I don't know if that's normal for the breed, but he was a very good dog in a household with lots of children. Of course, my dad trained him, and taught us children to behave respectfully to the dog too!

ThreeFarmers said...

Seriously, they might as well have just went ahead a put a leash on Jon. He's in the dog house most of the time, anyway.

No More Exploitation said...

ThreeFarmers said...
Seriously, they might as well have just went ahead a put a leash on Jon. He's in the dog house most of the time, anyway.
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Steph said...

Well, from the clips I learned they've skipped quite a bit of time from last weeks episode and this one; they've put down the tile in the basement, have leather furniture in the basement, and the Gosselin's have not business bringing puppies into that household. More mature dogs, maybe, but puppies, no.

DetroitBasketball said...

A dog's behavior has more to do with how well it is or isn't trained than it does with what breed it is. Sure, certain breeds have character traits (needs a lot of land, jobs, etc.) and reputations. Any breed will rip your head off if it's trained to do so, and any breed will be huge teddy bears if that is how they're trained. My family has a 100 pound Lab that's as gentle as a mouse (unless you have food haha) and loves kids and a 15 pound Shih Tzu that HATES kids with a passion (he's rarely around little kids, and now freaks when he is.) German Shepherds are very smart and therefore need a lot of good, firm training. I do NOT think that this family has it in them to do it correctly, which I'm hoping is where the concern is coming from, and not from the fact that they got German Shepherds. I really would not be surprised if the dogs have already been given away like some people have mentioned.

Also, why WHY would Kate get a dog that sheds??? There are plenty of breeds with hair, or breeds with fur that sheds minimally. I do NOT think that German Shepherds fit in this category. Should be interesting.

SuzanneDeAZ said...

I see that Kate has picked out one on her own but does not like it licking her face.

PityTheFools said...

They didn't make the choice to adopt German Shepards, I'm sure. Someone offered up a freebie "donation" and they pounced on it. They would have adopted two trained child-attack pitbulls if someone offered to give them to the Gosselins for free. After all, it's "God's Will."

Terra said...

SInce they have help for everything else, maybe they have a full-time doggie trainer/assistant that well never know about?

avey said...

All dogs can be dangerous to anyone if they are brought up wrong. German Shepherds are big dogs, but they can also be friendly and loving. I think they made a good choie.

JoseM said...

"Mommy's mean!"

Haha, hopefully only the first to come......


And what happened to our little zoologist?! He's afraid of dogs?! I guess he won't be working with animals in his future, huh? I mean, sure, it might pass, but wow. Lol, did anyone else catch Aaden checking out his shoes after walking in the sand? I assume it was the classic, "my shoes are dirty" syndrome, thanks for Kate

And omg, could Kate be any more of a party pooper?! I seriously loved that the kids recognized she was being a jerk and called her out on it. I'm happy for the kids, since they seemed to be enjoying themselves :)

Lizabtha said...

I do NOT think that German Shepherds fit in this category. Should be interesting.

LOL...nope, they certainly don't. I have two, and the shedding is year-round. HUGE balls of hair. That's something you learn to deal with, as is never wearing black, since it shows the dog-hair so easily.

Wait until these dogs are full-grown. She's gonna have MUCH bigger problems than dog-hair.

Also, when the puppy tinkled and KAte went ballistic, it looked like she grabbed it and went to rub it's nose in the urine, but the camera cut away JUST in time. I hope I saw that incorrectly. She's gonna be a cruel pet parent. I guess that shouldn't surprise, though.

Liz said...

Last Christmas we got our children a Boston Terrier. This little guy is the love of our lives. He however, took his time with housebreaking. I had to walk him every hour on the hour even at night. I committed to it and I have a great dog now. I doubt they will put that much effort into it. I did it so my children would not be disappointed.

ThreeFarmers said...

Honestly, if I'm ever low on animals (not in the foreseeable future, I have 6 cats and 2 dogs at the moment... yes, we take in a lot of strays here) I want to get two puppies and name them Dogma and Karma, because I think it would be funny.

phylly3 said...

Puppies don't understand rubbing their noses in urine, how sad. It will be hard on these children if their parents don't work hard to make the pet situation work out. If the pups have to go it will hurt the kids and it also hurt the
dogs to have to socialized into more than one home. But if there is a chance one of the kids or the puppies could get hurt it would be for the best. I have very little confidence in the decision making of these parents.

Munchkn said...

I was horrified when I saw that KON was getting two German Shepherd Dog pups. I love GSDs! We had one when our girls were growing up and now we've got 2 wonderful GSD granddogs. The size and great intelligence of the GSD make the right training and good, responsible pet parenting obligatory. KON might take the pups to obedience classes, but responsible pet parenting just ain't gonna happen. At least not from Kate. The way she freaked out when the poor puppy started to whiz on the carpet. Oy vey!

The only postive thing I can see about the puppy episode is that maybe my daughter who is the mom of those 2 GSD granddogs will see the light about KON.

Hollie23 said...

Lets see how long the dogs last. I have owned two german shepherds but big dogs are alot of work, and as much as kate likes to gripe about her workload I don't see her putting up with anymore. Not to mention the discipline consistent training takes- We have a wonderful shepherd now but that took many trips to the k-9 academy and plenty of nipped ankles!

MsPeabody said...

I agree with the comments that say German Shepherds are the wrong choice of dog for the Gosselins. Actually, any dog IMO isn't safe around Kate, I think Kate would make any dog neurotic in no time at all. German Shepheds are very intelligent and make good watch dogs, they are very protective of their family members. From my own experience with the shepherd we had, they are bold, fearless and strong willed dogs. I just don't see kate handling one very well, they need a lot of love, attention and training from someone who is patient. The dog might grow up and bite kate in the rump, I doubt that kate is going to allow any dog to stay anyway, she will come up with some excuse as to why they have to get rid of the dogs.

MsPeabody said...

the other judy said...
In the video that the article links to, Jon says "they've always wanted a dog so we said Ok, we'll try it".

Try it? You don't try out a dog...you try suschi or skiing....but a dog is a committment.


Exactly! Doesn't sound like the commitment is there, they don't deserve to have a dog with their attitudes.

Maggie said...

I seldom comment on posts here on the blog, I just send comments on the way (e-mail me if you have a problem with this).

But I have to comment on this article. I have a German Shepherd, and it was not a choice that I made. My dad and my children thought she would be perfect for me, to have a guard dog.

She is certainly a guard dog, no question. It is not the first German Shepherd I have had.

Why it this a bad choice for the Gosselins'? There are so many reasons, the first is that a GSD likes to bond with one person. Ten people in the family is going to make that very difficult.

The dog will have a hard time not being able to bond, and will not adapt well to the circumstances.
They are highly intelligent dogs and need a purpose and need to be highly trained. This is not going to happen with the Gosselin family. The parents are gone too often and these dogs will neeed intensive training.

Two dogs are almost more of a problem than one, they will not have the correct amount of attention and training and will form a bond amongst themselves, and will not respond well to the younger children partcicularly.

GSD are one of the worst shedding dogs that are available, they are double-coated and shed all year long. Knowing Kate's issues with cleanliness, these dogs will be relegated to an outdoor kennel at all times.

If Jon or Kate is ever annoyed with the children and raise their voice or even a hand, the dogs would be likely to defend the children (remember the dogs are not going to bond with one person at this point, too confusing) and it will be in their nature to defend the child. On the other hand the dog could attack a child if they mess with their food. The dog is going to be confused as to who the boss is.

A GSD can be a great family dog, a great guard dog, a protection dog, all of the above in the right hands. I adore my dog, but I would not recommend her for many people. For a family like the Gosselins' I would not only not recommend this dog, I would be horrified for them to take on two of these noble dogs that deserve better.

At the end of the day there are no dogs that I would like to see with this family, although I think the twins could take care of a low maintenance dog and take care of it well.

It is the parents that I would not trust with an animal, especially a high maintenance animal. Does a male child qualify as high maintenance?

Taryn said...

Good grief, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

It did my heart good to see Mady so happy with the dogs, but I own a herding dog and know how strong, physical and energetic they are. Once those pups get older, they'll be knocking those kids down left and right.

Not to mention Kate's obsession with cleanliness. How is she going to deal with shedding hair, slobber and messes from the dogs?

German Shepherds can have nice personalities, but they can also have a short fuse. I'm not sure I'd pick that breed for small children.

Kate had better not throw those dogs away like trash when she finally gets sick of them. She seems to have a very cavalier attitude about the pups.

And lastly, you don't give animals as presents to kids. That is just monumentally stupid. They're not toys.

Lizabtha said...

"GSD are one of the worst shedding dogs that are available, they are double-coated and shed all year long."

Oh yeah! As a matter of fact, out where we are, we send the big fur-balls outside when we sweep them up.

Wherever we get a big windstorm, birds' nests invariably fall from the trees. Most of them, on our property, are woven with a great deal of GS hair, from our dogs! Pretty funny to see. One little wren nest was woven entirely from our dogs' hair. We saved that one.

So yes..they shed like the dickens, and it is longish, coarse, hardy hair that shows up everywhere, no matter how careful you are about it! Eventually, Kate'll even find one in her soup!

melissaMomOfThree said...

I am a single mom with 3 kids and I have a German Shepard. I live in the country on 15 acres and have lots of room for one. This German Shepard protects my house and will go after an kill any animal that walks onto the yard. Like groundhogs, rabbits, and so on. It took me a long time and alot of work with this dog. She is able to not have to be tied and stays on the properity. But the are alot of work when they are young. They shed(sp) ALL the time and in the spring and early summer you need to brush them to get the extra hair off. The hair in the summer will just fall off of them as they walk through the house. To much work for Jon and Kate. And A germann Shepard will kill the stray cat in the "Out Building" Maybe hard on the kids to see that.

Annoyed said...

I get more and more angry everytime I watch Jon and Kate. I am a huge animal lover and it kills me to see this family buy two German Shepherds when they have no experience with animals. There are so many animals in shelters that they could have adopted, but rather they go out and buy the dogs and find out last minute that the money will be donated to cancer research...I have a tough time believing that.
It didn't surprise me at all either when Kate started whining and complaining about the dogs peeing inside and smelling...that's what happens when you get puppies genius! You have to take time to train them!

Cee said...

I totally agree...German Sheps. and any strong willed, intelligent dog needs a lot of training which I don't see them doing.

Also I think it is just horrible that they seemed to impusivly get these puppies. However I have talked to several dog breeders that shut down around christmas because they want to avoid the "puppy as a christmas present" people. I think it's fine if you do that when you have already been thinking of a puppy but some people just like the idea of wrapping it up and having it under the tree (which Kate even said)

Audrey said...

I think German Shepherds are a great family dog, but have to agree that it is the wrong breed for this family, especially two puppies. What breeder would let this family have two of their puppies? As a GSD owner I can tell you like other people posting here that they shed, every day. And when they "blow out" their undercoat in the Spring this family will have GSD tumbleweeds all over their house, not something a neat freak like Kate will want. I don't think the dogs will be a danger to the children, as they are being socialized with children from puppyhood, but GSDs are a very protective breed, very territorial and will be agressive to visitors later if not properly trained. GSDs need a ton of exercise, and are puppy like in their energy level way beyond a year old. They also need a very firm hand to train them, someone with dog experience, and two puppies even more so. I wonder how long until German Shepherd Rescue of Southeastern PA gets a call...

3AdultKids said...

From watching the show, it seemed to me that he was (at the very least) familiar with this family. Why would this educated breeder not advise against TWO puppies at once? And if he is honest, why not suggest a different breed for this busy family?
If indeed the puppies are gone by now, I feel so badly for Maddy!

2badsosad said...

I have no comment on puppies, as many have already taken the time to express my opinion on the matter.
However, I feel the need to comment on how ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS the 4.5 year old Gosselin children look wearing
those BABY bibs and having to stand on their chair to get their hands and face washed by a parent before exitting the dinner table!!!
The six Gosselin children are almost five years old and perfectly capable (or at least should be) of effectively using a fork or spoon to place food in to their mouths. Equally, they are of a capable age for washing their own hands and face after dinner if need be.

Seka123 said...

I would have felt better about their getting a dog if they adopted a dog from a shelter . It would have been wiser too to get an already housebroken older dog...but leave it to them Gosselins!

Those dogs are gonna have orders coming from all directions, won't know WHO to listen to....

but I bet my bottem dollor the people who think their dog ownership will be shortlived are right!

And they will turn it around trying to feed it that their 'failure' is someone else's gain.... as long as its for a 'purpose'. :-P The breeder saying the money was going to someone w/cancer was a nice touch to extinguish any potential feelings by the public that they should be 'saving' the life of a shelter dog instead.

I wouldn't leave those dogs alone in the house w/kate.

Louise said...

Rubbing a dog's nose in it if it pees or poops in the house, along with smacking it with a rolled up newspaper, comes from the "rule by fear" school of dog training that was long ago proven not to work, plus can have a damaging effect on the dog's personality. Kate probably saw it when she was a kid. I'm sure when the cameras are off she spanks her kids, too. It's obvious from some of their actions on-camera. How this woman is held up as an example for parenting boggles my mind.

samcarter said...

I would never trust an animal around small children like that. I once babysat for a family with a 5 year old and a 2 year old. The mom had once bred chow dogs, and decided she had to get a chow dog.

Anybody who knows anything about chows knows they are one of the worst for biting. The chow nearly bit off their two year old's face.

I don't even fully trust my cats. My oldest was bitten by a cat when he was 18 months old; he surprised the cat while it was sleeping and got a bite and scratches on the forehead. Our cats live outside in the barn, and when our youngest is with them, he is supervised carefully.

If i had 8 kids, 6 who were 4, I would not be getting a dog, let alone two, until those kids were old enough to fully understand that animals can bite if you're not careful with them.

48andFab said...

As an ardent dog lover I swore I wouldn't watch this epi but I found myself keep turning back to it. I have always loved GSDs and rottweilers. I have owned rottweilers for years, from puppies to my current rescued dog. Stupid Kate, stupid Jon. And for her to go ballistic and threaten to give the puppy back - "I'm not kidding" - the very first night because he stepped in his poop proves she has NO clue and no business having a dog. I'm glad I didn't see her rubbing the puppy's nose in its urine. Note to Kate: when a puppy pees inside it's YOUR fault for not watching it! And from what I saw, she put them in a ex-pen ON TOP OF THE CARPET? That's going to be one nasty section of the basement! It didn't look like the poor things had any type of bedding or water or chew toys or anything in there with them.

I really have to question the ethics of the breeder. Kate said he'd take the dogs back if they decided they didn't want them, which is the responsible thing to do, but it seemed like he pushed them to take the puppies home at the time they did, even tho Kate told him they were not ready and hadn't planned on taking them at that time. MAYBE if she had gone back home to get ready, she'd have reconsidered.

I hope it's true that the puppies are now gone.

Virginia said...

My son has a shepherd and I can tell you he sheds like nobody's business -- never-endingly. All Sheps do.

But we already know they are gone, so what was the purpose of putting on this episode? (that I didn't watch anyway).

robin said...

Kate was walking right past that puppy as it squatted on the floor and peed. If those morons knew anything about dogs they would have noticed the signs of a puppy needing to go potty and taken them out. When I have puppies I watch them like a hawk for those signs and try to get to them BEFORE the pee goes on the carpet. Its called training. I cant believe these two.

Snerk said...

Training what a concept!

They can't train children, does anyone expect they'll remotely do better with puppies?

beachluvin said...

One poster left a comment that he helped the Gosselins get the dogs and then helped them find a new home. Another poster left a comment that they saw Jon at the vet's office on Feb 9 with one of the dogs.
I think we should focus on the facts that we know to be true.
Jon and Kate Gosselin bought two puppies with money they made off their children and as far as we know the puppies are still with the Gosselins. The focus should be the care and training that they are receiving in the present without speculation as to where the puppies are now.

If those dogs are being abused there are organizations that will step in faster than child protection services. It's unfortunate, but true. Also.....write to Oprah, she seems to be more into the welfare of dogs than she is of the Gosselin kids.

All I can hope for is that the puppies are treated better than those children are. Not only do the dogs have to acclimate to one wench, one ball-less wonder, two children 8 years old, 6 children that are 4 1/2 but act more like 3 year olds but they have to get used to being around bright lights, cameras and lots of action!!!

tallblonde said...

Last night I heard Kate mention the dogs needed "training" - I believe "training" will be the new buzzword for "given away" when it comes to the dogs....

....too bad Jon can't send Kate for "training"

PR said...

ThreeFarmers said...
Seriously, they might as well have just went ahead a put a leash on Jon. He's in the dog house most of the time, anyway

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LOL!!!! :)

tallblonde said...

Why is anyone surprised that they got TWO puppies?

....after all - multiples are the new cash cow! I'm surprised Kate didn't get 8.... ;)

Baker said...

I can't believe Kate was so totally clueless to ask the breeder to write down what supplies the dogs needed. Helloooooo (sound familiar :-) - they are dogs. They need food and water...and maybe a chew toy (to keep them from chewing stuff you don't want them to chew). But asking a breeder to make a list? I believe the kids could have figured that one out.

Kelly said...

I have a GSD mix and he's a full time job. I can't imagine handling two of him, let alone two of him and eight kids. What were they thinking? Those dogs are going to end up in the backyard (or back at the breeders -- plus, what kind of (crappy) breeder gives someone with SIX KIDS under five TWO PUPPIES???) so fast...

(P.S. I have to put in a good word for pit bulls: They're fantastic dogs (especially with kids) and have really gotten the short end of the stick. Check out www.badrap.org)

Jennifer said...

I am thinking they bought the dogs as "watch dogs" more than "family pets", but passing them off as "pets" for the pr.

I think you are 100% right. I don't see any other reason to get German Shepherds, much less two at the same time (I'm guessing with the size of their family and house, they feel they need two security dogs).

And viewed in this context--no wonder why Kate named one of them after their Hawaiian bodyguard! That's who she's molding the poor dog after.

Anonymous said...

rose99

My concern for some time has been for Maddy. She has a realy hard time with such a controlling mom and it shows more and more the older she gets. Yes Maddy wanted a dog but she made it clear that she did not want that particular breed (this was ignored by KON). She ran crying from the room when her views were ignored. Maddy is in third grade now. I have taught second grade for 12 years and have yet to see a child that is as emotionally fragile as Maddy. An eight year old should not still be breaking into crying tantrums. This shows the stress and frustration she is constantly under. I have noticed that the older girls are not in this season as much. I think their behavioural problems are the reason.

Carolyn said...

I have had GSDs for 50 years and rehabilitated 2 severely abused dogs. This is a wonderful dog if the breeder has dogs that are certified with no hip dysplasia This is common to the breed and starts creating physical problems when they are 6-7 years old.

Any puppy needs to be socialized early with children, other dogs and cats. (Only one of my dogs ever bothered my cats).

Shepherds are very "mouthy" and need plenty of chew toys. Needless to say they need a LOT of exercise and games that keep them stimulated. A bored shepherd can be destructive.

Housebreaking takes vigilance. As soon as the puppies have eaten, they must be taken outside immediately. Watch for the telltale signs and when they have accidents, never rub their "nose" into it or smack them with a paper.

Obedience training is a must and fear tactics NEVER work in training. All dogs should be rewarded for doing the right thing. This can be as simple as praise or a treat. The Dog Whisperer's techniques worked wonders with my most severely abused and aggressive dog.

Are Shepherds good with children? My kids grew up with the breed, and they and their friends never were nipped. One of my timid rescues used to be one of the babies "walkers". The baby would pull himself up on the dog and she would slowly walk while he hung on and toddled along.

Shepherds are extremely smart and loyal and will protect your family. The one and only time one of my dogs got aggressive was with a man who brought my son home after a play date. She chased the guy to the top of his car to my great embarrassment. Found out later this guy was arrested and charged with abusing his daughter.

So to answer the question of whether this is a good dog for a family, I say it depends on how good the owner is! Should this breed go to the Gosselins? No they are definitely not worthy.

ThreeFarmers said...

Good for you, Carolyn.

While I've never rescued German Shepherd Dogs, I've rescued terriers with severe temperament problems. Terriers are feisty little suckers and I found that Caesar Milan's techniques work like a dream. Right now, I'm living with two Terrorists and while they need lots of exercise and a good amount of stimulation, they have become excellent family pets.

Both of the dogs are good with the children and with our SIX cats.

AJ said...

i've had friends that had german shepherds (including my cousin) and they were just fine. it works better to raise them as puppies with the children. i don't think they'll have a lot of problems with them, but i agree with whomever said they think they got them more as guard dogs - i was thinking that the entire episode.

Cathy said...

I love German Shepards, but I agree that they are not the best choice for the Gosselins. Mostly because I don't believe these dogs are going to get the training that they require-and with a dog like a GS, it's irresponsible not to train them. I'm guessing no one did any research on how to train a puppy, or how much work it requires, especially in the beginning. Not to mention that maybe you should be settled into your new home before you take on such a big time commitment as two puppies....

Tracy said...

"My concern for some time has been for Maddy..."

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It's upsetting that J&K haven't clued in to Maddy's "triggers".. that meaning they KNOW what sets her off.. they KNEW she would have issues with this.. yet they set her up on camera to fail and look horrible. WHY?? I am quite sure Maddy is a WONDERFUL LITTLE GIRL, but sadly she'll never get that chance to show anyone - because her parents set her up to fail time and time again! :(

I saw the love in Maddy's eyes and the adoration she had for the puppies, and then having one that would only love her... how sweet is that, and how screaming for help is that???

Today that little girl had to walk into school, and most likely her classmates mentioned it to her.. Why does one little girl have to relive her explosive calls for help??

I certainly hope that J&K are getting help for her - help to express herself better. And if they are, kudos for them for not letting that get aired.. but they need to work harder to protect her. They need to put their feet down and say.. "STOP THE CAMERAS NOW.."

but they won't.. the fatter their wallets get, the less they seem to care about their children. Yes, Maddy will have the things she needs, but emotionally she will be messed up for life.

WTG J&K - how can you look in your daughter's eyes today???

J&K Suck said...

If you Google it...there are tons of dog/animal enthusiast websites that are totally against J&K having these dogs, let alone German Shepherds.

doglover for life said...

I think the storyline of the puppies was a way to keep things interesting. In TV terms, they "jumped the shark" They did it when Fonzie jumped the shark on Happy Days, they added cousin Oliver when the Brady kids were getting older, and now that the Gosselin kids are busy at school, they needed to add some chaos.

If they had done some research, talked with trainers of different breeds, veterinarians and rescue groups, such as the SPCA, they probably would not have been advised to get two brand-new sibling puppies. They probably would have been led to get an older puppy or young dog, one that was housebroken and able to play with the kids without nipping.

But they took the advice of a breeder of one breed, who surprise... advised them to get the very same breed that he had a supply of! Uggg

Hindsite is 20/20. The kids are exposed to stressed-out mom, the kids are learning fast that puppies are not fun, and the puppies are learning that people are scary.

This is not the lesson we need.

I just hope the president does a better job getting a dog for his children. We need a role model to show us how wonderful kids and dogs can be together!

Joanna said...

How typical of Kate as her original thought to not let the kids go with them to pick out the puppies, and then not allowing them to pick out any of the names because she didn't want to end up with a dog named "buddy" yet she chose some strange names. Isn't getting a puppy for your child suppose to be a happy and exciting experience giving them the joy to see the puppy and so what if the kids come up with a name like "buddy." She got two dogs so at least one could have been named by the kids. This woman just takes all joy out of being a kid.

leesehere said...

well atleast the twins aren't the only ones in school now without dogs!!!!!!!!!!

Maria said...

Anonymous samcarter said...

I don't even fully trust my cats. My oldest was bitten by a cat when he was 18 months old;

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I DO fully trust my cats. I know what they are capable of, but I also know my children have been taught how to treat the cats. From the day each of my children was brought home from the hopsital, we have taught them how to treat the cats - which is GENTLY and with RESPECT. My cats are VERY protective of my children, almost like a German Shephard guard dog! Their is a strong bond of trust and loyalty between my cats and my kids.

Maria said...

Anonymous 48andFab said...

And from what I saw, she put them in a ex-pen ON TOP OF THE CARPET? That's going to be one nasty section of the basement! It didn't look like the poor things had any type of bedding or water or chew toys or anything in there with them.

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Actually, if you look closely, they were on top of the tiled floor, and the carpet was scrap pieces that had put down (to protect the tile, I presume). You are correct, though, in that there was no bedding for them. But Kate has admitted she knows nothing about dogs, so I'm not surprised.

As for the puppy peeing as soon as he got in the house, why didn't they let them pee in the yard BEFORE they brought them in? That is what I would have done.

Maria said...

Oops. What I meant to say in my previous post was THERE is a strong bond of trust and loyalty between my kids and my cats. It is all in the way you raise them.

Jennifer said...

Isn't getting a puppy for your child suppose to be a happy and exciting experience

The behavior (J/K not allowing the kids to name the dogs) makes sense if they actually got the dogs not as family "pets," but as guard dogs. Didn't Jon outright state in the ep that Shoka was a good name because it's a "guard dog"?

Relegating the dogs to the basement/yard is typical of people who keep animals for utility. If they were truly meant to be part of the family, why wouldn't they be upstairs with everyone else? (And I don't buy that it's to contain the mess.) And why would they have chosen *this* breed rather than the "nonshedding" standard poodle Kate claimed she wanted in an earlier ep (or any other breed, for that matter)??

I think most of the discussion about the dogs here (whether they were the right breed for the family, their welfare, etc.) is almost moot from Jon/Kate's perspective because Jon and Kate are *using* these dogs to fulfill a purpose the same way they use everything and everyone else.

Anne Elizabeth said...

I was very shocked at their decision. First of all, the "breeder" they got these dogs from is nowhere near a responsible one. A good breeder would never, never give an inexperienced owner two litter mates. That on top of six kids under the age of 5 is a recipe for disaster. When my parents got our first dog, they contacted a lab breeder. The breeder told my parents that they would not be able to give us a dog because my brother was only seven years old. I think most breeders, no matter what the breed is, discourage first time dog owners from getting a dog when there are small children in the house. Not to mention the fact that Kate doesn't seem to have a clue how to raise or train dogs. I just hope they don't plan on leaving the kids unsupervised with these dogs because a 'play bite' from a German Shepherd hurts a lot, and all dogs mouth when they're puppies.

avey said...

I think dogs are a product of how they were raised. If they raise their dogs in a loving and friendly environment, they will be friendly dogs, if they beat their dogs and torture them.. they will be hateful dogs. I've heard plenty stories about this certain breed of dog and that certain breed of dog being good or bad, I don't think one dog should be a label for the whole breed.

My grandmother used to breed German Shepherds, and had 16 of them when my mom was brought home from the hospital.. SIXTEEN!! 5 adults and 11 puppies. She sold a lot of the puppies but kept a few and kept the adults. My mom has so many sweet pictures of her as a baby surrounded by all these beautiful german shepherds, she always told me how friendly and wonderful they were, but very protective.

All in all, I think they made a good choice, if they raise the dogs right.. they will be friendly and good around the kids.

Katy said...

I've just discovered this blog, and my discovery coincided with my reaching my boiling point with this family. I loved the early episodes, but at this point I've had enough. The GSD episode threw me over the edge, as I've been researching the breed for about a year now, and plan on getting one when I have a full-time job and my own apartment.

I've noticed that the puppies brought out something in Maddy that was nice to see. It's sad, because I feel like if this family found an appropriate breed, a dog could really be good for the older girls.

And I have to echo the fact that Maddy's tantrums are completely out of control. I once babysit for a girl like that, and it was very sad to watch. By that age, tantrums should be a thing of the past, but I suspect that Jon and Kate's inappropriate attention-giving to the younger kids has stunted Maddy and Kara's maturity.

4thekids said...

beachluvin said:

Also.....write to Oprah, she seems to be more into the welfare of dogs than she is of the Gosselin kids.


*sighs* sadly, ain't that the truth. Some people are far more concerned with the welfare of animals than of children, it seems.

loveGSDs said...

As a GSD owner, it made me extremely sad to watch this episode. Jon and Kate could not be worse owners to own this wonderful breed. Yes, Kate, GSDs shed hair. A lot. You will find it on your carpet, on your couch, on your clothes, on your bed, and in your soup. No matter how many times you vaccuum. No matter how many times you clean the house. Unless you love your dogs for the joy they bring into your life, you just wont be willing to stand the hair everywhere. And Kate clearly hates the idea of owning the dogs, and clearly hates anything that upsets her routine, and is a type A personality who wants things her way, so she isnt going to enjoy the hair. Anyone who has ever owned a GSD will tell you that they are big babies that require a lot of love, attention, and discipline. A GSD is not happy unless he has a "job" to do. Giving the GSD a job involves taking the time to train him. It hardly seems as though Jon and Kate have enough time to give individually to each child. And more importantly, Kate does not seem to have ANY clue whatsoever as to how to raise a dog. A GSD is a smart enough breed to know when to take charge of you if you as the owner show the slightest bit of clueless-ness. If they dont figure out real quick a system that works for all of them, they're going to be in for a real treat with the two puppies who will grow into unruly dogs. It saddens me to see two beautiful puppies who had they been placed into the right homes could have grown into two well trained happy dogs instead be put into a home with a clueless owner just waiting to be given up to an animal shelter. If the dogs end up in a shelter, I'll never forgive Jon and Kate.

Anonymous said...

Right on Love GSD's.
You said it perfectly!
We have had 4 GSD, - this episode troubled me as well. It's a train wreck waiting to happen. No one just goes and gets 2 GSD puppies without really knowing something about them. You can't just pick up a little book in the pet store and read about them and get 2 puppies for Christmas. I really feel bad for Mady. One of them would have been a good companion for her.