Some Relevant Articles

We're going to start collecting and linking to pertinent articles in this post. There have been so many lately!

Lt. Governor of PA about establishing the TAP funds.

Old Berks County newspaper article about Kate and the nurse.

Includes Reading Eagle article about the nurse.

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, May 15, 2005

From the Philadelphia Inquirer May 17, 2005

2005 Reading Eagle blog entries.
May 6, May 20, Aug 9, and Aug 29.

So Long and Farewell Jon and Kate. New

The Ottawa Citizen Commodifying Kids.

MSN about the octuplets and TLC contact/consideration.

Reading Eagle Blog February 3, 2009

Jon enjoying snowboarding.

Letter to The Collegian about Jon speaking.
Look down the right side of the page.

Kate at Indianapolis Home Show

People March 2009 New

US 3-23-09 page 1 and page 2. New

London Ontario New

Baltimore Sun New

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Virginia said...

OY! What a drama queen, "I will shout it to the mountain tops"...

She missed her calling.

About Time! said...

They are finally connecting the dots....

Its A Good Thing said...

Thanks, it gets old really fast when there are 15 different links to the same article in one post. :) Great blog and by the way I love the recent changes to the front page. Posting the rules makes it really clear and straight forward.

Keep up the great work! :)

Chrissy said...

Don't know how to post the link but the Chicago SunTimes has an article about tv reality families that states that the Hayes family will soon be starting their own show on TLC.

Jacqueline Killebrew said...

I posted this under Did Kate Inspire Octuplets? but thought I'd do it here, too. (Our excellent Moderators are probably very busy these days! And they ROCK, BTW! lol...)

In the coming days and weeks, it's going to be interesting to see how this octuplet Mom's PR team spin doctors this for her.

My thought is that they will say just about anything right now, out of sheer desperation, to turn the media and masses around to her side. Right?

So, my thought, (and I really, really hope I'm wrong,) is that this Mom, out of the kindness of her heart, and love for kids, decided to have the eggs implanted, so that she could adopt a baby/babies out to poor, infertile couples, so they could experience the joys of parenthood as well.

But alas, after the 'trama', and 'bonding', she just can't give them up.

If this DOES happen, if this becomes the 'spin', then I am quitting my job, going to LA to begin a marvelously marvelous job as a screenwriter, (is that cheesy Lifetime Network for Women hiring?) or, to become a PR person myself.

Hell, maybe I'll sue the PR team if they steal my idea! Bahaha...

Think about it. If that lie, er, line were used, even the Doctor, Mengele, er, Frankenstein, Whatever, could crawl out from the bus he's been thrown under.

Okay, I think I'll put away my cleaning caddy, (I'm a housekeeper,) and go buy a printer to begin my new career. If I can just FIND MY *&%%^! COUPON BOOK! Aaaaahhh!

GLoria said...

Commondifying the children. I love that. That is EXACTLY what Kon is doing.

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...

I just wish that some reputable BIG network would pick up on these two and blow their scam to pieces.

Jacqueline Killebrew said...

Somewhere I just read that the McCauley (sp) kids just turned eleven, and the only cameras around were the families. ALL of the media outlets that use to cover it TURNED IT DOWN. LHJ, etc.

Could it be that at eleven, they've lost their cute factor, and the public lost interest? Is it the 'Little Rascals' syndrome?

If that's the case, J&K, work it now, folks. Time passes very, very quickly.

ROFL said...

Me thinks some of the authors of these articles have been reading GWOP!

Its A Good Thing said...

MomOf3AndLovingIt said...
I just wish that some reputable BIG network would pick up on these two and blow their scam to pieces.

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I really believe that everything will come out eventually. Lies/secrets always do. I just hope, for the children's sake its soon.

zoey said...

i love the comment made on the article about society being responsible for the babys because society promotes fertility drugs that said
"hostess promotes twinkies and i dont hold them responsible for my butt"

hahahahah
i see jon and kate have been disliked since the beginning.

Gloria said...

Jacqueline Killebrew said...
Somewhere I just read that the McCauley (sp) kids just turned eleven, and the only cameras around were the families. ALL of the media outlets that use to cover it TURNED IT DOWN. LHJ, etc.

Could it be that at eleven, they've lost their cute factor, and the public lost interest? Is it the 'Little Rascals' syndrome?

If that's the case, J&K, work it now, folks. Time passes very, very quickly.

2/05/2009 12:07 PM

Jacqueline,

The McCaugheys have never pimped out their kids to the media. They do one live and one print media interview a year to chronicle their children's lives and development for the public. I believe Ladies' Home Journal and I am not sure what the live media is, but it is an annual update on the kids, not a parade of cameras and invasion of their children's privacy.

Jen K said...

There are tons of articles in an archive at

http://www.patriot-news.com

You have to pay to get them though but if you just type in "gosselin" in the search box a bunch come up starting with the most recent.

Be sure to check out one from July 2004. It's one where Jon lies about being fired for having too many kids on his insurance. The following day there is another one with a retraction. The first one is the one I would personally like to be able to read in it's entirety.

By the way, I'm happy to see that facts and sources are being posted. It lends credibility to the site. I'm also very happy with the stricter moderation and rules. Thanks Mods!

1st Time Poster said...

When the show is cancelled and Kate Gosselin not only loses every material thing she has gotten from the show but also the love and respect from her children....I think Kate is going to wrap herself up in the "victimization" cloak and tell the world that it was not her fault! She will blame TLC and the media for making her "exploit" her children and that she was forced into doing it because she had to do it for the kids. She will say that the "children" wanted to be on tv and that she was only doing what they wanted. As for Jane running off with the swedish aupair well...she'll say it was her mom and dads fault because they never taught her how to love. She'll have an excuse for everything because she is a big fat botoxed greedy lying cow.

lifeoriley said...

The Canadian article brings up the specter of the Dionne Quintuplets. I'm sure that back in the depression era, many people thought these little girls were well taken care of. They had pretty clothes, nourishing food, and a staff that looked over them 24/7. They had excellent medical care as well. Many average people were lacking in many of the necessities during this time--so I suppose some may have thought the quints "lucky."
However, the quints grew up and told quite a different story about their experiences.
Some of their story has to do with abuse--but some also has to do with they way they were used/exploited.
Some may say that there is a difference because the Dionne quints were taken away from their parents--but does that make it any better if it is the parents who are the one exploiting the children?

Vicki said...

Hello 1st Time Poster and welcome.
I've been posting a few months now and always wanted to say Keight was a "big fat botoxed greedy lying cow" but didn't. You wrote exactly what I should have! Bravo.

Hilo said...

I remember that in one of those early newspaper articles, there was one that quoted Kate as saying that it wasn't fair that she had six babies. Does anyone else remember that? Or remember where it was?

overwithKON said...

I just wish that some reputable BIG network would pick up on these two and blow their scam to pieces.
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Dateline Investigates!!!!!!

Fay said...

Thank you for all the great links, I have been reading so many articles I have never even seen before,very informative.Great Job.

Sidney said...

Ladies, have any of you really and truly stopped using Tide and Downy? I have! In fact I gave them both up several years ago. They are very expensive and other products truly do work just as well.

Lets walk the walk ...

Parsley said...

Regarding the article about the kids being treated as commodities didn't Jon use the word marketability in reference to the children? What a horrible shame.

Jen K said...

The link to Parents and More...wow! All of those posts are from 2005, well before most people knew the Gosselins and they were all onto her weren't they?

Can't exactly say that the opinions there are biased against the G's because they have money and fame huh?

I've seen that before...articles and older discussions going WAY back before the show and specials and it seems that no matter when some people have run into the Gosselins, they all have a similar story to tell: They are selfish and entitled.

So those who call us haters or that we're "just jealous"....read that thread and you'll see that people have been onto the G's long before a dime was made. Some of those remarks are very telling.

Connect the dots people...

margojata said...

Good point, Jen K. I never even heard of the Gosselins til last year. It seems the people of PA were angry with them 3 years ago, before the mainstream caught on. It appears it all boils down to one thing, it's Katie's way or NO way.

I feel that this is a big part of the reason her parents are no longer involved. They must be so embarrassed.

FXfanatic said...

No more Tide, Arm & Hammer. No more CHARMIN, my butt will survive without the soft stuff.
I don't use P&G shampoo, tooth paste or any cleaning products.
For the past 2 months I'm "aware" of what brands I buy and I make sure NOT to buy anything P&G.
Now that I know they are LIARS, even if they fire Kate I will never purchase their products again.

Merilee said...

Thank you so much for this list! I have wished for this for a long time.

ThreeFarmers said...

Good. Good. Good.

The more articles the better.

Jane said...

I think it's good to have all articles found in one place. However, you better read them fast or save them somehow. I have a feeling when J&K and their PR team see them listed they will do whatever it takes to get them removed from the internet.

ShisoandRice said...

Jane I backed EVERYTHING UP!

A wink and a nod!

Pammy B said...

New article about the octo-mom not receiving any freebies. The article specifically mentions how KON received multiple freebies, including hair plugs and a tummy tuck... http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=6639734

Carolina said...

archive.org will save them all

J+K might like to delete, but you can't erase your internet footprint ;)

ShisoandRice said...

Carolina? Actually J&K tinkered with Archive.org ABD removed their URL from further back-up.

BUT I am the Back-up woman on GWOP and I have EVERYTHING backed up in triplicate.

:::::WAVES!:::::

"Hiya Julie May!"

Kissy Kissy!

WHAT'S TO HIDE?

Carolina said...

Are you serious? They removed every news article? That is ridiculous. Can't take the heat, get off the TV.

I know the Gosses' are getting bad, but said...

Still, I think the octuplet + 6 mom is a lot worse. I don't think J&K were actually plotting to use their children at first. Oct + 6 is just sad...

And wowsers, did not know the gosselins weren't the only multiple family to get huge gifts like houses. And bc those other families aren't in the limelight yet still have the goods, I think when J&K+8 is finally over they won't lose their stuff either 1st time poster

alana said...

I know the Gosses' are getting ba...said

"I don't think J&K were actually plotting to use their children at first."

If that's the case, WHERE exactly did you start to read when you found this blog?!!

I KNOW THE GOSSES', you're in for a real eye-opener and some fascinating reading!

ENJOY!

Danielle said...

I've never heard about Kate saying it was society's responsibility to care for her children, because society promotes the use of fertility treatments. WHAT??? Was she serious? I have NEVER heard ANYONE in "society" promoting the use of fertility treatments. Society promotes the use of birth control, Kate. You are expected to have *fewer* children in our society. What planet are you from? With her mentality, I could sue planned parenthood, the national organization of women, etc, because for "promoting the use of birth control" because I only have one child. She's dillusional.

Danielle said...

Re: The McCaughey septuplets

About the comment that there is no media circus around the septuplets now that they are 11.
It's probably not because they are 11, but because some of them are handicapped.
11 is a fun age.

AnnieD said...

I am prompted to comment on the internet for the first time in my life by the article in the Ottawa Citizen. I was very glad to see the concerns brought to the forefront. The Dionnes have been left scarred from the wholesale invasion of their privacy, and keep in mind the public was never allowed behind closed doors – they were dressed in their best and behaved at their best and were paraded for “viewings”. Imagine the humiliation, yet to be felt, from having the cameras capture every state of undress, every bodily function, and every bad mood, and then handing it over for the whole world to analyse and evaluate. I cringe just passing through the channel.
It is bad enough that the Dionnes were exploited by the Ontario government. The Gosselins kids are being exploited by their own parents.

blamingoftheshrew said...

This article provides a perspective on Kate as a poor spokesperson for any brand. It belongs in this "Relevant" section. It is about two months old, but it is hard to check on whether it had already been posted due to the many (great) threads for discussion.

"Opinion: Kate Gosselin, Most Polarizing Spokesperson Ever?"
by Kenneth Hein on 12/8/08 on the Brandweek website:

http://www.brandweek.com/bw/content_display/esearch/e3i686368ba4cd6a88cbb88ccaa5b5ad464?imw=Y

blamingoftheshrew said...

PS-it is a great idea to provide this archive of pertinent and relevant literature. It will turn out to iclude voluminous documentation which will clearly show that there is massive agreement on the need to stop the promotion of these con artists and that recognition of their scam is not limited to just this one website!Good job, Admins!

Arieslikekate said...

does anyone have a link to the latest issue of PARADE magazine, the one that comes in the Sunday newspapers?

A reader wrote in and asked about the role of the grandparents in the kid's lives.

TLC spun it around that Jon's mother lives too far away, and Kate's parents are not to be filmed, and that ALL grandparents play an ACTIVE role in the kid's lives.

TLC also poked fun at BLOGS who claim Queenie Irene and her family are at odds.

They also mentioned how little they are actually filming the kids.

I believe this may be the end of KON as new families with multiple kids are beginning to show up on TLC.

Not so Patient said...

Arieslikekate said...
does anyone have a link to the latest issue of PARADE magazine, the one that comes in the Sunday newspapers?

A reader wrote in and asked about the role of the grandparents in the kid's lives.

TLC spun it around that Jon's mother lives too far away, and Kate's parents are not to be filmed, and that ALL grandparents play an ACTIVE role in the kid's lives.

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Thats funny, I have also heard rumors that her family is involved. Yet Jon says they aren't involved and have never really been. He said this in the Utah interview. So which is it J&K?

gracie said...

On the McCaughey Septuplets, Bobbi once said, "It didn't feel right to us to say, ' thanks for the gifts, but you'll never see us again.' so they have allowed periodic articles. The family has wanted to slowly remove the media from their lives for several years now. They probably did the 10-year celebration and said that was it. Finally, parents of HOMs with limits as too how much access the media has to their family!

Cheetah said...

I don't believe this article has been discussed here yet:

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200990204035

Note: The Star only keeps articles available for 7 days, and this one came out on Feb. 4.

Go away Kate said...

That last is a typical Kate fluff piece.

Merrilee said...

That mother of 14 children may just be crazier than Kate. She has obviously had a nose job, puffed up her lips (and they look awful) and somehow managed to get some doctor somewhere to inseminate her, though she has no husband. She says she is giving her kids the gift of "herself."

She was an only child, but she and all her kids live with her parents. Her parents might have only wanted one child, but they sure have a house full now.

How in the world did she get the money for all these different procedures. How?

She is articulate but sure does say some ignorant things. Surely TLC won't let this idiot slip through their fingers. But what kind of chaos would this many kids bring along? I can't see the 14 kids traveling to Utah, Disney World, the Crayola place, Hawaii. Hmmm, how could TLC make this work?

Sam said...

"Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births"

She choose to undergo fertility treatment and she would have been warned about possibility of multiple births, the only one who is responsibility is J&K and society should have to pay for their choices.

If you can't afford the consequences don't have a litter of kids.

Same thing should apply for the Octuplets!

Sam said...

Rememeber the Dilley Sextuplets?

Like the Mccaughey Septuplets you don't hear much about the Dilley Sextuplets much anymore. Sure the both wrote books (I think Becki Dilley wrote two)but now they are they their lives mostly out fot he spotlife and I think thats the way life should be for the Grosslins

Jen K said...


I feel that this is a big part of the reason her parents are no longer involved. They must be so embarrassed.


Oh I know...can you imagine what it must be like for them to have all of this going on? Some of those articles that were recently posted (Reading Eagle I believe) show how much disdain the locals had for them way back before anyone outside of PA even knew who they were.

I'm continually amazed when I hear about people who are fully aware of the backstory and still vigorously defend their sense of entitlement. I wonder, "Are you reading the same articles and comments I'm reading?"

As someone who would be humbled to have so much support and help at that time, and would feel very sheepish about even asking for anything after so much generosity, I have to say that their attitude boggles the mind.

Sher said...

Hi...I've never posted here before, but, after I started digging last summer and finding out about them, like everyone else, I was wondering where Jodi and Beth were, I found this site. Here's the link..it does take a while to load...there's tons of entrys from Jon and Kate on it over a span of almost 3 years.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://sixgosselins.com

Sher said...
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Marie France said...

Sharla, This is a great idea to start putting the links to articles up here. I think it is important to have a central clearinghouse for rhis type of info.

the other judy said...

http://web.archive.org/web/20041212081419/www.sixgosselins.com/News/news1100898236

very interesting 6 month update on the tups....

Vicki said...

The Other Judy and Shar: I could not get either link to open.

Sharla, Great idea having a comprehensive list such as this.
Thank you.

my9cats said...

Great idea placing all referenced links in one place. Saves oodles of scrolling time searching.
Thanks Mods!!!

my9cats said...

Seems Kevin and Kendra (if it was indeed Kate's brother and sister) forcefully expressed themselves as to KON's not 'giving back". Way to go!
2005 Reading Eagle blog Aug 29.

Jen K said...

Re: the TAP Fund article. I looked on the TAP site for PA and it said,

Earnings grow state income tax-free - For Pennsylvania taxpayers, earnings grow tax-deferred and are free from Pennsylvania state income tax when used for qualified higher education expenses*.

Could be a reason why they didn't move south as originally planned. Of course, I would hope it was because the kids would be pulled from what friends they have and their schools. But if prior history is any indicator, the fact that the "free money" as Kate is so fond of, would be worth more if they stayed in PA.

the other judy said...

Sorry Vicki. If the link isn't working you can go to the post here about J&K's archived website and look for:

WPVI - Action 6

November 19, 2004

The Gosselin 6: 6 Months Later

It includes actual quotes by Jon and Kate and some info on Jon's job loss...very interesting.

the other judy said...

Clarification: To access the link about the tups turning 6 months and other relevant news stories, click on "news" on the bottom of their archived website.
You can find it by copying and pasting this link into your address bar: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.sixgosselins.com

Click on Nov 28, 2004 and on the bottom of their old website you will see a button "news"...click on that and there will be a list of old articles they were in. Enjoy!

Sher said...

http://web.archive.org/web/*/ http://sixgosselins.com

There, I finally figured out how to get the whole thing on at once. It's 2003-2007...their "prayer requests" "praise reports", etc...
starting right before the tups were born.

Vicki said...

Thank you to the Other Judy. I was going to clean the fridg this afternoon, but I'd rather read a bit.

Arieslikekate said...

I can't get a link to this, but this is from Us magazine, issued dated 02/16/09. US rates the show DVD, season 3:

This TLC reality show is a low key charmer - impressive, considering it follows a couple raising eight tots ( now aged 4 to 8 ). Jon and Kate's banter is almost as cute as their kids; and watching them all face potty training and more with giggles is a joy. Plus, the clan meets OPRAH!!!

It was rated 3 out of 4 stars.

Guess TLC planted this in the magazine.

Anonymous said...

Forgive me if this is already posted here. There was a new artical in the "Reading Eagle" on Feb.3,2009.It's called Al's Blog.

Anonymomma said...

Pot, meet kettle. Kate Gosselin, who parlayed the birth of sextuplets into a cottage industry of TV contracts, DVDs, best-selling books, personal chefs, a new $1 million home, etc., thinks the California woman who recently gave birth to octuplets will bring misery to her family "ranging from helpfulness...to resentment of the complete chaos and lack of attention the older six will now receive."

Kate, who only had two kids before she and her henpecked hubby Jon turned to fertility drugs to add to the brood, said octuplets mom Nadya Suleman faces "unimaginable" hardships...unless, of course, Nadya lands a lucrative TV deal and other assorted perks and freebies.

Excerpts from the interview:

Q: Do you think Nadya did the right thing in having these octuplets, after already having six children?

Kate: I believe that every life that is created has a purpose. However, personally, I would never have set out to even have a seventh child -- especially if I was a single parent!

Q: Nadya is not married, and there's no father that we know of. Is this a problem?

Kate: Absolutely. The workload that Jon and I share is often even too much for us! It is unimaginable the amount of work she will have to bear as a single mother raising eight preemies as well as six other children.

Q: Do you think Nadya is cognizant of what's in store for her?

Kate: No. I can honestly say that no amount of planning ahead prepared me for what I faced.

And in comparison, I had 3-year-old twins and six preemies . . . And a helpful husband. And we struggled in every way -- physically, emotionally and financially.

At least until The Learning Channel came around.

After some medical mumbo-jumbo about the differences in which the two mothers conceived multiple births, Kate goes on to vow, "I can honestly say that I will never have another child"


This was from the Reading Eagle link above. I'm gonna go troll thru the 68 comments left after the post lol.

Anonymomma said...

I don't know if this is true or not but I found this comment posted under Al's Blog...


please could we keep the focus on the ramifications of reality tv shows which feature multiple births.

the media outlet tmz has already reported that the mother is in the works of having a show about her situation on the fox network in prime time being offered 3.6 million for the first 20 show season.
her family has also retained a public relations firm to explore all options for income including the 800 thousand for the shot of the babies on next weeks cover of people magazine.

much to the detriment of the kate gosselin the tlc network has canceled their show after this season.

i guess it just the sign of the times
Comment By Anonymous At 2/3/2009 4:29 PM

I H8 K8 said...

That Feb.3 Reading Eagle blog? PRICELESS! Did you all read even SOME of the comments? Appparently if the gig is NOT up quite yet with our KON, it will be very very soon...as we say in the medical community at times..."they are circling the drain."

Protect8 said...

An article from The San Jose Mercury News today:
http://www.mercurynews.com/tv/ci_11648268

He calls Kate "Cruella de Ville"

the other judy said...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1449824/jon_and_kate_plus_eights_kate_gosselin.html?cat=2

Good article on the Indianapolis home show where Kate spoke a few days ago.

mom of 3 said...

Next is Dr. Phil for Kate on Wed 2/11...talking about the Octuplets AGAIN...now she is making $$ off some perfect strangers family....

Sher said...

It's obvious their not going to appear anywhere that the masses or even the interviewer can ask them random questions....and their statement that her and Jon are working and their children aren't...yeah right. I'm sure that's what they tell themselves so they can keep every penny from that show.

Ms.Peach said...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/01/kate-gosselin-o.html

Is Snowboarding A Job? said...

I sure wish I could have a job
(that is the hardest job I've ever had) that allows me as much time to snowboard as Jon does.

Another Kate Gosselin lie....that she and Jon work well beyond a normal 40 hour work week even though they work from home.

MomofAshley said...

Not a news article but interesting read. Opinions of other parents of multiples on the show
http://tripletconnection.org/triplet_forum/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=135&topic_id=403711&mesg_id=&page=&mode=full

Lala said...

Has anyone seen the Feb 6 Collegian article the letter refers to in the Collegian link???

4girlsoneboy said...

Sidney asked:

"Ladies, have any of you really and truly stopped using Tide and Downy? I have! In fact I gave them both up several years ago. They are very expensive and other products truly do work just as well."

Yes, I haven't used Tide for sometime and can honestly say I am loving the Purex at half the price. I am, however, still using Bounce dryer sheets which I had stockpiled so am trying to use them up before buying a new brand. I also threw out the Sunday paper inserts containing all P & G coupons.

Judy said...

Ladies, the generic brand of detergent works just fine--no need to buy Tide or any other name brand. The very best fabric softener I've found is called Swivatel and it's sold in Family Dollar. Far better than Downy.

timetogokon said...

Ladies, have any of you really and truly stopped using Tide and Downy? I have! In fact I gave them both up several years ago. They are very expensive and other products truly do work just as well.


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I have stopped buying Tide. Someone suggested Purex (and then another someone said that Purex is horribly horrible!), it was on sale at Target so I bought a small bottle. It's good for a basic clean, but not as good as Tide at stain removal. I don't know if there is anything on the market as good as Tide, but I'll keep looking.

I also stopped purchasing Downy - most fabric softeners are the same to me. No static and yummy smell - that's all I need !!

marypoppins said...

Did anyone see the Dr Phil show. They showed footage of the tup when they were very small. There was a voice over of kate saying how she gets them up and gives breakfast etc. Really??

No mention of about the full time husband at home, full time nanny, cook, cleaners and camera men, million $$ mansion,trip to hawaii.

She said that when they decided to try again, they prepared themselves for twin, triplets or even up to quads. Really?? this is new, i thought she wanted just ONE more. How were they planning to afford all these kids esp when she had 2 year olds at home and her husband has no college degree or job.

and how there were lots of volunteers in the beginning but as the 6 got bigger, the volunteers fizzled out.

Jon should have insisted on going back to school before having a next kid. Part of me hopes that one day we will hear that Jon has been quietly working on a degree from home/via internet.

Dr Phil your staff did not do thier homework before inviting this woman onto the show- I do not consider her a supermom etc. she has lots of resources and help

karen said...

Ha! Kate ran the volunteers off or put them to work folding, ironing or putting away laundry. Why should there be volunteers once the kids are able to feed themselves and walk? KON probably got more free "help" than any other set of multiples to date.

Didn't Dr. Phil give her nannies for a time?

~L.Lo~ said...

In response to the Indystar article from the email interview w/ Kate:

Question: What are you passionate about?

Answer: Raising my children to become loving, hard-working, productive members of society who love the Lord!

Wow, because you are any of the above, Mrs. Gosselin?!

Jen K said...

The letter to the editor at Penn was fantastic! Rebecca, if you are here, good job!

Sher said...

and how there were lots of volunteers in the beginning but as the 6 got bigger, the volunteers fizzled out.


I remember her saying on the show, one night they decided to try it by themselves and when it went ok, they decided to let them go. She really needs to watch her reruns so she can keep her stories straight.

wramblinwreck said...

Thanks for posting the link to the letter to the editor of The Collegiate. I'm glad their readers were provided with a view of the Gosselins quite different from what Jon was peddling at his recent PSU appearance.

karen said...

Dr. Phil is a joke at researching this family, he must condone the way Kate speaks to Jon and belittles him in front of the children. He must think Mady behaves normal, we see volunteers and babysitters trying to correct the fighting and head-hitting of the children but not so much from KON. Kids do as they have seen from their parents. Did the Dr. Phil show do any research? Good Lord, he must know that KON didn't have any insurance or jobs either when these sextuplets were born and they also had twins. KON is part of the problem if the truth is known, stop glorifying multiples...perhaps KON should make a SIZABLE DONATION to Nayda Suleman.

Pamela Jaye said...

from the nurse article:
Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

really???

Hilo said...

This is one of the comments to the article about the Indianapolis show. Pretty funny! "Kate flew into Detroit Metro Airport tonight. She came into the store and in a huff moved her books to the front of the store."

Heather said...

This article has not been discussed yet...

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2009/02/04/barred_0204.html

It was written by former Congressman and presidential candidate Bob Barr...and I think it's worth reading!

TinaR said...

I just saw The DR. Phill show and was surprised to see Kate on it :)

Denise said...

Your Reading Eagle link for May 6th didn't work for me but this one did:
http://internetservices.readingeagle.com/blog/mother/archives/2005/05/count_your_bles_1.html

Old North State said...

Interesting read about Kate at the Indianapolis Home Show....sounds like she doesn't behave any better in public than she does on her show. The author pointed out that she didn't really mention the kids, new house, or Jon----it was pretty much a talk about KATE! It was also mentioned that she looked tired and unenthusiastic. Bored is probably more like it.

marypoppins said...

ON the DR Phil show today, they continuted speaking about the Mom with 14 kids.

Dr Phil spoke about the 6 eggs that were planted into the octomom. One Dr invited on the show said that planting 2.5 eggs was the national average norm.
How many eggs did Kate have (remember no identical twins)

Anonymomma said...

marypoppins said...
ON the DR Phil show today, they continuted speaking about the Mom with 14 kids.

Dr Phil spoke about the 6 eggs that were planted into the octomom. One Dr invited on the show said that planting 2.5 eggs was the national average norm.
How many eggs did Kate have (remember no identical twins)


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Kate didn't have eggs implanted. She did IUI. Her doctor gave her medicine to stimulate her ovaries to release follicles, or eggs. However, it's highly speculated that she actually had no issue with ovulation to begin with, which is why she ended up hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. See, that would have automatically disqualified them for any scheduled insemination yet five weeks later the tups were discovered on on ultrasound. Seems like Kate was playing chef with her turkey baster lol.

Sextuplets (serves two money hungry adults)
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2 different fertility doctors
1 prescription for Clomid
1 self diagnosis of PCOS
1 very gullible husband
1 L&D nurse with plenty of 'experience' *wink*wink*

Combine all ingedients, pee on stick. If stick turns blue, fertility treatment is fully cooked. Place well publicized website on the internet, with right and left hands fully extended for maximum results. Gestate pregnancy for 30 weeks. Garnish with crocodile tears and love offerings. Make sure to have them serve immediately.

Sadie said...

Kate didn't have eggs implanted. She did IUI. Her doctor gave her medicine to stimulate her ovaries to release follicles, or eggs. However, it's highly speculated that she actually had no issue with ovulation to begin with, which is why she ended up hospitalized for hyperstimulated ovaries. See, that would have automatically disqualified them for any scheduled insemination yet five weeks later the tups were discovered on on ultrasound. Seems like Kate was playing chef with her turkey baster lol.
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Kate was hospitalized for hyperstimualted overies after she was inseminated not before.

Anonymomma said...

Kate was hospitalized for hyperstimualted overies after she was inseminated not before.

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I beg to differ. The process calls for the specialist to prescribe a drug that promotes timed ovulation. Sometimes injections are also administered. Then an ultrasound is done to reveal how many, if any, follicles have been produced. In Kate's case she had symptoms of hyperstimulation that would have been obviouson that ultrasound. Hyperstimulation requires the patient to be hospitalized due to 1) fevcer and twisting of the ovaries, thus leading to possible ovarian rupture. and 2) to prevent the opportunity that the couple have sex because a HOM pregnancy would most likely result.

On their website, and by Kate's own words, she states she was hospitalized and then five weeks later, poof, pregnant with six. In the event of hyperstimulation, the process gets cancelled. Also, when you seek out a fertility specialist, they specifically ask you in advance what your opinion about selective reduction is, well before any procedure. So for Kate to try to convince the public that the topic wasn't broached until after discovering the pregnancy is BS.

If you'd like more specific info about this you can contact RSI in Wyomissing. It's where KON went the second time. The first doc turned them down (for speculated reasons but nothing is yet confirmed), and they sought out someone else. Part of the speculation is that the first doc, after helping conceive Mady and Cara, felt Kate and her 'PCOS' did not actually warrant such extreme measures to try and get pregnant again. But again, that's speculation and rumor. I'm working with a few people to confirm this. If it's true I will post with definitive information and further proof.

PS- here's the link to the clinic they used: http://www.rsiinfertility.com/bio.htm

If you call them, their staff will be happy to explain the IUI process.

ThreeFarmers said...

On their website, and by Kate's own words, she states ...


Admittedly, I'm no expert on fertility treatments, but I do know that you can't use "Kate's own words" as proof or verification of anything. The woman lies through her veneered whitened teeth.

Anonymomma said...

Admittedly, I'm no expert on fertility treatments, but I do know that you can't use "Kate's own words" as proof or verification of anything. The woman lies through her veneered whitened teeth.

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Touche, 3F lol, I stand corrected :P

Sadie said...

If you'd like more specific info about this you can contact RSI in Wyomissing. It's where KON went the second time. The first doc turned them down (for speculated reasons but nothing is yet confirmed), and they sought out someone else. Part of the speculation is that the first doc, after helping conceive Mady and Cara, felt Kate and her 'PCOS' did not actually warrant such extreme measures to try and get pregnant again. But again, that's speculation and rumor. I'm working with a few people to confirm this. If it's true I will post with definitive information and further proof.
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I'm familiar with infertility treatments. Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) can occur prior to insemination and you are correct, the advice would be to not proceed with that cycle. OHSS can also occur after the insemination.

This is the explanation Kate gave in her book and while I understand many choose not to believe her (and I understand why) the timeline does seem to fit.

According to the book, they were told they had three, possibly four mature follicles. That carries a risk of twins and a smaller risk of triplets which she claims they considered and decided to go ahead with the cycle.

This is just my opinion, but in regards to her medical history I will go with the information she provided and not try to find out more as I believe that is a HIPPA violation. Everyone's medical records are private even if they have a tv show. Everything else, of course, is fair game :)

Its A Good Thing said...

Sadie: I understand what you are saying but with Kate's history I don't think I believe her. Her and Jon were married what a year? Maybe a year and a half before the twins were born, its the norm for a woman to try for a year before undergoing any fertility treatments, then before IUI there are drugs and therapies to try. None of J&K's time line seems believable.

nocupcakeforyou said...

From about a week ago:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/arts/television/15stew.html?_r=1

Jen K said...

Back from May 2008

http://www.koreamjournal.com/Magazine/index.php/kj/layout/set/print/content/view/print/6918

KoreAM Journal

Here's a shorter link in case that one gets cut off:

http://tinyurl.com/cde2a9

Incidentally, for those who disputed that Kate ever said she and Jon were lovey dovey at one point, that is specifically mentioned in this article among others.

3ts said...

"One day, Kate received an e-mail saying that the folks at Discovery Health were interested in filming their daily lives for a documentary. The couple was hesitant at first, wary of letting a big media outlet magnify and chisel their interactions for television, but Jon says they both felt a “real good connection” with the producers after speaking with them. Plus, the insanity of parenting eight kids left no time to whip out a video camera. It’d be great if someone else could capture these memories for them, they thought."
from the KoreAM Journal

So why was Kate making video tapes of the 'tups/twins and saying, "thank you for watching our video" or something like that? I think she shopped these kids around myself.

konspiracytheory said...

To our wonderful mods:

Thanks for moving this thread to the top of the blog - while I thoroughly enjoy everyone's comments, I think these articles need to be front and center so that people who stumble upon GWOP while investigating their hunch that all is not well in Gosselin-land (how many times have we read of that happening on this blog?) have quick access to the info they're seeking.

Janice said...

EXCELLENT job, MODS! This is so helpful and really helps to put the puzzle together. You guys are incredible! Keep up the awesome work!!!!!!

Janice said...

ShisoandRice said...
Carolina? Actually J&K tinkered with Archive.org ABD removed their URL from further back-up.

BUT I am the Back-up woman on GWOP and I have EVERYTHING backed up in triplicate.

:::::WAVES!:::::

"Hiya Julie May!"

Kissy Kissy!

WHAT'S TO HIDE?

2/05/2009 8:03 PM

You are one smart cookie! WAY TO ROCK!!!!!! Thank you!

SuzyQ said...

Thank you for posting these eye-opening links. I'm particulary appalled by this statement from Kate:
"Kate Gosselin said she feels society has a responsibility to help with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility drugs, which can lead to multiple births."
Excuse me?!?! That is almost the craziest thing I've ever heard her say.
This is why there is such a thing as reduction - and if religious beliefs won't allow that - too bad! It is not taxpayers responsibility to pay for a full time nurse because they "wanted just one more" - give me a break!

OhioMom53 said...

Oh my gosh, what eye opening articles. So the family has wanted to be on the gravy train from the get go. I just shows you how immature they really are. Gimme Gimme, Gimme. Now they are taking, taking, taking. Some of those comments were priceless from 2005, just like 2009. Wow! Looks like they began isolating the community pretty darn quick. No wonder she keeps her kids isolated. Unreal how their "so called friends and helpers" drove long distances to spend with the children because they love the children that is because no one in the community wanted to help. Nana Janet, Joan, Beth all live away. Jodie was a couple of blocks but we all know how that ended. I just chalk it up to 2 immature children having children.

Virginia said...

Just read the new article and it hits it right on the head for me. I simply can not watch a woman totally out of control emasculate her husband and her sons and tear her daughters souls out of them for entertainment.

I can't do it. It makes me sad. I don't care what "stuff" they've managed to get out of corporations and parishoners anymore. I just want the show to stop. The haranging, the name-calling, the belittling...please TLC, make it stop.

Irina said...

Isn't it a Sin to use the church (any church) as a "Platform" to sell pictures at $20.00 a pop (or for any amount of money) ?????

I am shocked that this goes on.

Was there ever any type of outcry from the church to put a stop to this / do it somewhere else???

Life just gets sadder and sadder...

Its A Good Thing said...

The new article is exactly what Im feeling towards the Gosselins. I just can't watch anymore. Kate is too awful and its so sad that they are ruining their kids lives for money.

Sixxlet said...

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NJ Mom said...

IF THEY HAD EACH OF THESE CHILDREN ONE AT A TIME - would they even have received all the "Love Donations" - Monies - Freebies and Have a T.V. Show??? I THINK NOT!

I could understand all the help if someone had multiples "Naturally" BUT SCIENTIFICALLY INDUCED MULTIPLES should be the SOLE RESPONSIBILITY of the PARENTS WHO "ELECTED/CHOSE" to KNOWINGLY have this procedure FULLY INFORMED and AWARE that MULTIPLE BIRTHS were a STRONG (if Not) ALMOST ABSOLUTE POSSIBILITY.

The parents are even told that this type of procedure has a high likelihood of resulting in multiple births PRIOR to undergoing the procedure. It baffles the mind that these parents were NOT only NOT PREPARED to AFFORD multiples but then CONTINUE TO TAKE HANDOUTS WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY BETTER OFF THAN SO MANY OTHERS!

IS THERE NO END TO THE
"SCIENTIFICALLY INDUCED MULTIPLES" HANDOUTS/BEGGING???

VERY SAD TO IMPLY THAT CHILDREN WHO ARE BORN " ONE AT A TIME " ARE SOME HOW LESS WORTHY OF RECEIVING ALL THE HANDOUTS.

When you Scientifically Induce Multiples this IS NOT a Miracle.

That the innocent babies survived their high risk multiple births created by their own parents who knowingly put them in the high risk category in the first place NOW THAT IS A MIRACLE !!

FOR THAT the PARENTS are REWARDED with CASH $$, FREEBIES and a T.V. Show ?? What a Sad Crazy World we live in. : (

NJ Mom said...

Kate was very CRUEL to mis-treat Jon that way -- Even HORRIFIC knowing that soooo many people are watching. Humiliated is an under-statement! What a disgraceful example for her children. : (

Judge for Yourself if you think "Kate" isn't CRUEL Here is a link for Entertainment Weekly:

http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/02/jon-kate-eight.html?cid=150542343#comment-150542343

Chris said...

Isn't it a Sin to use the church (any church) as a "Platform" to sell pictures at $20.00 a pop (or for any amount of money) ?????
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I'm not sure if it's a sin or not. My WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) thought is that he would throw them out of the church. Just as he threw the money changers out of the temple.

GodsWill said...

N.J.mom, I could not agree with you MORE! And the answer is: NO! I shoudl know b/c I have SEVEN children , all born SEPARATELY, (Yes I know Kate won and I lost cuz I have "only" seven), but I got NO FREEBIES other than whatever gifts came our way, and whatever goody bag was at the hosp. for us. THAT'S it. YET< isnt it just as expensive to raise SEVEN seprate kids than a set of Septuplets?? PRETTY MUCH YES!! IN fact; YES!
Why do women have TWO breastS? Someone on another site mentioned this, someone re. HOM and the Suleman woman. We all know the answer, dont we? HOM'S DO NOT OCCUR IN **REAL LIFE*** OTHER THAN EXTREMELY RARELY. EVEN TWINS USED TO BE LESS COMMON THAN NOW (stats back that up). Ans: Use of artificial fertility' "drugs" and implantings, etc....Hey I think have as many as you can stand IF you can PAY for them BUT not if you cant' and surely do NOT proceed with art.means when you know AHEAD of time (J&K, Suleman) you arent going to be able to afford!
GOD , if the Gosselin's wish to throw the God card in at every turn, would NOT conider humans' meddling in how to get PG and how to have LITTERS, as "his will or HIS doing."
Used to be, the Lord either "Blessed you "with babies, or not, and if NOT, well THAT was considered HIS WILL! Funny how God's will , in K8's mind, does not include that little caveat!!

Sixxlet said...

GodsWill, I am not religious at all (I'm an atheist) but I can tell you as a biologis that you are right on asking why do women only have two breasts? Human females are meant to deliver one baby, and anything more than that is very risky (even twins is risky for a human). Also, animals like cats can have litters because 1) they can safely deliver a litter 2) they have the ability to feed a litter and 3) not every kitten needs individual emotional attention to grow. She feeds them for a few weeks and then off they go on their own. Humans on the other hand, DO need lots of attention when they are born and for a LONG time afterwards. Humans can do that best with ONE baby. Humans are equipped to best feed ONE baby. Having this many is just not meant to be, and in the RARE cases where it actually happens without scientific intervention, it usually does not have a good outcome.

JoseM said...

Of course I don't agree with either member of KON leaving the kids home alone while they're out of town on some adventure, BUT I do 'respect' Jon somewhat for finding some dignity in himself and actually taking trips for himself, as are the snowboarding ones. I realize he's still wrong, and the root of the problem lies deeper than them taking trips, but I remember seeing the episode where he declared he would be doing this, and I thought to myself, "well, good for you sir. finally you stand up to your evil wife"; so kudos to him, but it's still horrible the things they do. glad to see there are so many articles popping up out there. the beginning of the end!!!!

mollybloom said...

Jon and Kate made it into this week's Newsweek, ironically in an article somewhat defending Nadya Suleman. One of the arguments is that Nadya's has done nothing worse than Jon and Kate Gosselin, having a bunch of kids in the absence of employment. TLC, Discovery Health, and the Duggars got a shout-out too as recipients of publicity and money based on litters of kids. It's publicity for J&K, but perhaps not the best kind.

fedup said...

"kate's career has taken off"??? and I thought being a full time mom is a career..the pay must suck...no freebies....no plastic surgeries.
Someone needs to wake this woman up from her fantasy life TLC gave her!

Its A Good Thing said...

Thanks for the link to People and US. I haven't watched in about a month but I am so glad that larger magazines are getting ahold of Jon and Kate's lies. Its only a matter of time until their castle comes tumbling down. And boy that will be one episode I WILL watch!

konspiracytheory said...

So help me, if I read one more article that refers to Jon as "laid back" I'm going to lose it. Honestly, do these 'journalists' even bother to watch the show?

Virtually every interaction he has with his children is the OPPOSITE of laid back.

Meags said...

I guess you know you've "made it" when People and US are reporting your split. Too bad that when the show dries up-- their whole family will likely be left in shambles. I wonder what exactly Jon is talking about when he says Kate's career is taking off. Her books that she didn't even write? Her career of being a mom even though she is never home with her kids?

Stefanie said...

Okay the picture of Kon in People with him saying he did not cheat on Kate looks so fake. Both of them look so uncomfortable in that picture too. Like they do not even want to be there.

Mostly a Lurker said...

Interesting that Jon confesses to feeling "lost" now that Kate is working and he isn't. Watching the old episodes Kate had a lot more respect for Jon when he was working outside of the house. She probably holds her working over his head. If the situation was different and Kate was being yelled at and belittled everyone would be crying domestic abuse. No wonder he feels lost. Kate has taken away his self respect and confidence in front of millions of people.

C said...

I don't believe for a minute they're going to survive all this. They're holding on for the $$$ under the contract they're in with TLC, and that's it. If she holds (what seems like lifetime) grudges against her family, then how can she ever get past all this with Jon and not hold THIS against him. She has been burned by Jon and with the personality and type of person she is, their relationship will never be healed again.

Molly said...

People Magazine Article - Damage Control! Not working though - sorry. The marriage is loveless, anyone can see that. Now it's no doubt colder than ice and we're all expected to believe Jon just because he said so? Haha. Funny.

Joanne said...

BS on the people article. Its not about their family, its about how much fame and fortune they can get. These people are despicable.
If jon stays with this nasty person, he deserves whatever she dishes out then.

Tami said...

Gee, why don't these anonymous sources come out and speak about them any other time? I would think if they had that much to say they could say some of it at a site like this or some other forum. When a magazine comes knocking, they will tell all? Odd. I believe it's all true, but that's from observing the downfall of their marriage on tv (clearly there is no love left there) and seeing the pics of him out on the town, etc. I always wonder about the anonymous neighbors and "family friends" (when they have none left) who have never said one word about them until this story.

timetogokon said...

I think all this is a PR stunt, but who knows?

One thing that I find so frustrating is that these magazines NEVER published an article about KON exploiting the kids............. ( relatively speaking,out of all the tabloids, IMO, People and Us are the most reliable)

Aunty Anne said...

Hopefully these articles will cause their sponsors to wonder if these impressions are really what they want their product to represent.

It probably is a PR stunt though. After all, J&K have said they "will do anything" for their kids. Apparently it is okay with Jon to look like a dunce, because we have seen once or twice where he does stand up for himself.

Like at the airport, he would not walk in front of Kate, much to her disappointment. So we know he could do it more often if he chose to.

3ts said...

KON "confesses they are going through a rocky time raising 8 kids in the spotlight" per "People". Well, maybe they should get out of the spotlight with those 8 kids. It's hard to believe that scenes aren't staged anyway.

Odds are their marriage was already floundering when they renewed their vows in that Hawaii commercial.

Hope said...

Funny how Jon mentions that they can't get divorced because "can you imagine how big my child support payments would be?" Those kids are supporting him...not the other way around...

OhioMom53 said...

They are paving the way for the end of the show. Of course they are going to deny trouble in their marriage because remember the 5th season begins in May. As we all have stated on this blog that their body language has been the telling sign in season 4. TLC wants them to be normal but obviously this marriage is in serious trouble. I foresee something television wise in the works for Kate in the future. As we all know she is now an accomplished writer, speaker,chef and spokesperson for P&G, and Oprah loves her (ugh). Kate is not the major force in the children's lives anymore. Jon will get spousal support from Kate while he stays home with the kids and fades into obscurity and the innocence of these lovely children will be lost forever. I know how divorce hits kids and I had an 18 and 12 year old. The 18 year old was devastated and the 12 year old hated the joint custody. They are both grown men now but still remember how hurt they were when the divorce happened. it is too bad Kate has alienated family and friends because they could help the kids cope but who will the kids have? Sad, sad, story. Reality TV sad.

RobyninReadingPA said...

Not going to defend Jon, but where were the college girl's pics taken? One place it says Kutztown, another says Huntingdon (Juniata College). They aren't even close to each other. Can anyone clarify? Kutztown's about 20-30 minutes from Jon's home, Juniata about 3 hours.

NJ Mom said...

Aren't the sextuplets going to be starting Kindergarten soon?

Nothing about the show relates to the regular families who don't even have that many kids that are struggling in this economy. So who wants to watch a show they can't relate to??

Are we to watch them taking money "Love Donations" hand over fist? Freebies/more free trips??

Who wants advice or anything at all from Kate who did nothing without an army of help??? Gimme a break!

I can't even imagine what would be of any interest to be filmed for Season 5.

Time to kick the show to the curb!

Jen K said...

Not going to defend Jon, but where were the college girl's pics taken? One place it says Kutztown, another says Huntingdon (Juniata College). They aren't even close to each other. Can anyone clarify? Kutztown's about 20-30 minutes from Jon's home, Juniata about 3 hours.



It was two separate occasions. I'll have to check the articles, but I believe Kutztown was on Valentine's Day or around there.

Ms.Peach said...

Thanks for the quick post of Us and People articles. Can't wait for sheeple damage control ;)

ShisoandRice said...

What is next?

Vow renewal and adopting Korean triplets in Korea?

Sixxlet said...

RobyninReadingPA
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RobyninReadingPA has left a new comment on the post "Some Relevant Articles":

Not going to defend Jon, but where were the college girl's pics taken? One place it says Kutztown, another says Huntingdon (Juniata College). They aren't even close to each other. Can anyone clarify? Kutztown's about 20-30 minutes from Jon's home, Juniata about 3 hours.
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There were pictures taken in both locations, actually more than 2 locations. There is a site out there that will show the pictures and what pictures were taken where. He is definitely making the rounds, isn't he?

Daner said...

They confess that they are going through tough time raising the kids in the spotlight but are still filming the show? Why not quit the show and save the marriage? Oh, that would mean they will have to get real jobs.

hate k8 said...

I just wish that some reputable BIG network would pick up on these two and blow their scam to pieces.
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John Stossel 'give me a break' or the guy from the 'to catch a predator' shows. He also does shows on scammers. That would be great!

ShisoandRice said...

RobinInreadingPa?

Jon didn't just live it up in Huntingdon, Pa. BUT for a long time he has been going out with his brother Mark to bars around Reading, like Shortys in Kutztown and The Third and Spruce.

So by no means was he just having a little bit of fun near his moms house, hes been on his tri-county drinking tour for about 3 months now. Kate is gone about 18 days a month now (that's why those boxes are still unpacked) Jon apparently leaves the kids with the Nanny and goes out drinking.

Who drives him home?

Why cant his moms husband take care of her?

I think Jon went to spend time with his mom to get away from Katezilla.

BTW-Kinda makes you wonder why Nanny Jenny disappeared.

Bull hockey said...

One of the new articles quotes Jon as saying that Kate handles their fame better than he does. WTF? She is, by the very look on her fake face, hating every moment and every person (including him and each child) that comes into her sight. Sorry, buddy, we've seen it with our eyes. I believe that Jon did not cheat because I believe he would never be able to break away from this puppeteer of a wife.

RobyninReadingPA said...

Thank you all for the responses about where Jon goes to the bars. I'm going to have to check out Kate's schedule and run a mile up the road to 3rd and Spruce! He sure is making the rounds! Gosh, I hope I run into him around town! Got the camera phone all shined up! ;)

4girlsoneboy said...

Ever since the day Kate and the kids appeared in the studio in Philadelphia for the interviews about Octomom I have wondered about Mady's comment about not having to listen to Kate anymore. If all the rumors are true about them living separately and Kate traveling 18 days out of the month, that could explain what Mady meant when she made that comment. I imagine what really goes on in that mansion would make a reality show that would put this one to shame.

tmc said...

By no means do I like Jon and Kate and I think they are getting all they can from the "sheeple". I AM NOT A FAN. But, I do have some feelings of sympathy for Jon. I think he was just so immature when they married and she just walked all over him. I'm sure the guy is lonely, feels like Kate doesn't want to be with him or the kids, and he's stuck being a maid ... not a man. I also think Jon truly loves his children. I'm sure you all disagree, but I feel sorry for him. He will never have a normal life. He let that woman ruin his. She took control the first day she laid eyes on him at that company picnic where they met. Season 5 will be the last season for them.

jonandkatewho? said...

It's still up in the air for me as to whether this is all a puclicity stunt or whether it's true.

They have never seemed to have a true, mature type of love between them, and I think that's a huge problem but there are people who stay together "for the kids" and in their case, there are so many! And lest we forget, those kids are their bread and butter. I think there is too much to lose for Kate to let him go that easily, unless she were to find somebody else herself. As to what kind of a man would want her, other than some gigolo who wanted her money, I don't know. No man with half a brain would date her knowing what we know just from the shows alone.

I dunno. I just can't really get a good feel for what might happen here. Anything is possible.

BTW, in my opinion, grown ups who are married have every right to some "alone" or "me" time with friends or without. I don't necessarily think it's the worst thing in the world for somebody to go have a few drinks when the wife is out of town or he is, unless it becomes a habit and there are other problems. Ohhh, my...wait a minute I'm talking about THESE TWO. Um...yeah nevermind.

Kate's career is the speaking and the book writing now. She will probably continue to write books after the show stops, or capitalize on her fame in some way.

It really bothers me that the child exploitation issue is just left alone by the notables in the media. It just says so much about our country and the people in it that everybody looks the other way because these two have achieved notoriety and amassed large amounts of money.

Mid-life crisis time should be very interesting in that house, if they last that long.

jill said...

Maybe this is why the kids are not allowed in their room...They do not want them to see that he is not there at night.

Also, when the kids thanked Kate in the kitchen for the dogs she said, "your father is not here and you're not welcome"...it was late at night...where was Jon?

Roryz said...

The rumors about the Gosselin's marriage on the brink of collapse is more than likely to be true. How many marriages endure the strain of a reality show? Not many. My own marriage of more than thirty years might crumble under that kind of scrutiny. If the stories ARE true, then I do feel sorry for those eight little children.
It would explain Kate's frequent absences from the home (she's trying to carve out her own career apart from Jon); it might even explain her weight loss and weird appearance as well as her strange affect while sitting on the interview couch with him.
I think she regrets marrying him--he seems very immature--and I'll bet he does resent having that big brood of kids.

DeeB said...

I absolutely hate the way those two talk in questions. Kate does it frequently as in, "doesn't every marriage have problems?" and now Jon is doing it. I just wish these two could speak in simple declarative sentences more often as the questions imply that they have a "normal" relationship which they do not.

Of course every marriage has its ups and downs, but no Kate I don't personally know any wives who treat their husbands in the ungodly manner that you do and no Jon, I don't know any husbands who roll over and take it. I mean, you did ask the questions.....

Further, what a disgusting statement from TLC. I quess they will defend anything.

I know I've said it before but I have always believed the sheeple are people who love to see men belittled, berated, and made to appear as fools or buffoons. That is the major attraction for them IMO.

I believe their marriage is as big a sham as everything else in their lives. Since they have proven they cannot given an interview without lying, it will be hard to get to the truth.

SueM said...

Full disclosure: I am not a Kate fan.

However, regarding rumors, I think it's very sad. I also think it would explain a lot. And, as my Nana always said, "there are 2 sides to every penny". Marriages are as complicated as the people in it and I would never begin to presume to know what goes on in the Gosselin's marriage no matter how many cameras are running. Is Jon acting out because Kate is a witch or is Kate a witch because Jon acts out?? Who knows. I think this is where we should give them a break and let them figure it out on there own.

Maybe, life is teaching Jon and Kate some much needed lessons and they can learn and become stronger for it. Let's hope so for the kids' sake.

Jennifer D said...

I am thinking back and realize that since they moved into that house Kate is absent a LOT. Remember when Jon was talking about the walk in the woods and taking the kids for rides on the tractor? Kate was asking questions and clearly it was the first time she had heard about it. It does appear that they are not talking other than during the couch interviews.

ruthy said...

What is Jon thinking? I know he has a cell phone and it must have a camera. Does he think he is the only one in a college bar that does?

What a dumb ?%#?!

shawna said...

Thanks for having this be the first thing that others can fact-check "anything Gosselin". It will be very helpful in stopping the exploitation of the children!

Sharla said...

I rejected and removed some comments. SWoP may be closed, but that does not mean that Nadya Suleman is a now a welcome topic here. Please stick with the Goseelins unless we specifically open a thread for other families or shows. Thanks!

ruthy said...

One other thing.....

I agree with other posters that...

None of us can assume that things are wrong in their marriage but if you put yourself in the public and "thrive on it" then it is our business and we can assume all we want. They film their everyday life regardless of fights and then expect us to banish any thoughts of discontent?

They need to put themselves in check regarding their actions and come to the conclusion we all know....

Get yourselves of the air?

JoseM said...

Is anyone else able to access that Valentine's Day interview that was posted in it's own blog entry on here? I just tried accessing the article through the posted link, and instead I'm redirected to the site's home page. I tried to do some very quick searching but didn't find it on there. Perhaps its there, and I just skipped it, or perhaps the author was pressured by KON's team and they crumbled under pressure? That stinks if it was taken down :(

alana said...

tmc said:

"...but I feel sorry for him. He will never have a normal life. He let that woman ruin his."

Oh, really? "We teach others how to treat us" is possibly the ONLY thing Dr. Phil has ever said that I agree with.

avasmommy said...

is anyone else having trouble with the new links?

SUeM said...

I disagree with the thoughts that because they let cameras follow them around, their marriage woes are our business. I firmly believe that marriage speculation and gossip about discontent is off limits no matter what. They could be faking it for the cameras easily. And, faking it for the cameras could be what is making things worse. Marriage woes happen gradually. You don't wake up one day and say "Hey, this is not what I wanted". It erodes over time. We do not know what goes on there. I have always thought that Katie Irene didn't just get married and become a witch. I think it goes around in circles...she acts one way and he reacts, then he reacts and she acts badly again. It's too complex for us to blog about. Let's give them peace and prayers...for the kids' sake!!

NJ Mom said...

JoseM said...
Is anyone else able to access that Valentine's Day interview that was posted in it's own blog entry on here?
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I hope this is the one you are looking for. :)
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http://www.kellydinardo.com/blog/comment1.cfm?ID=48


February 16, 2009, 08:45 AM
Jon + Kate = Disaster

Flipping through The New York Times yesterday, I came across a piece on Jon & Kate Plus 8, the reality show which follows a family with eight children. Train Wreck Factor, I thought in reaction to the story, titled "Big Brood Spawns Big Ratings." Unfair? Maybe, but train wreck describes my experience with Jon and Kate.

I interviewed Jon and Kate Gosselin for a Valentine's Day story called 8 Love Tips from Jon & Kate. While on the phone with the couple, Kate yelled at Jon for interrupting her, said he wasn't very good at communicating and generally treated him like he was a misbehaving child. After his initial attempts at answering my questions garnered such a response, Jon kept quiet.

The publicist, who was also on the phone, recognized the interview was spiraling out of control and suggested Kate tell me about renewing their vows in Hawaii. Kate lost it. She yelled into the phone, "I'm so sick of talking about Hawaii. It was really nice, but it's over and we just keep re-hashing it." Dead. Silence.

I asked a few more questions, trying to coax something, anything out of them. They juggle so much, there must be something they do to keep their marriage afloat. Kate said, "Marriage is a lot of work and anyone who says it's not is lying." OK, but what do you do to work on it? How do you work on it? Finally, Kate snapped, "This is stupid. I don't know why you're doing this story. We're not romantic or lovey. We're not that couple." She's right, I thought. Dead. Story.

TellMeAnotherOne said...

Their "Family" is their priority??
Hummmph!! YEAH RIGHT WHATEVER

JoseM said...

NJ Mom said...

I hope this is the one you are looking for. :)
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That's the one!!! Thank you very much :)

nomorekonartists said...

SUeM said...

I disagree with the thoughts that because they let cameras follow them around, their marriage woes are our business. I firmly believe that marriage speculation and gossip about discontent is off limits no matter what. They could be faking it for the cameras easily. And, faking it for the cameras could be what is making things worse. Marriage woes happen gradually. You don't wake up one day and say "Hey, this is not what I wanted". It erodes over time. We do not know what goes on there. I have always thought that Katie Irene didn't just get married and become a witch. I think it goes around in circles...she acts one way and he reacts, then he reacts and she acts badly again. It's too complex for us to blog about. Let's give them peace and prayers...for the kids' sake!!

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SueM-
I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you. Jon and Kate have made their marriage a public affair by displaying their whole life on "reality" television for the world to see. They have enabled everyone to see what goes on in their household, how they treat one another, and have even showed their vow renewals in Hawaii.
Now that they are having issues with their marriage, they have also gone out and publicly spoken about it to a MAGAZINE! People Magazine is not a small town magazine or newspaper. This paper is seen daily and you can even check it out while you are in line at the grocery store! No, I think that Jon and Kate have made their marriage everyone's business by doing this magazine interview, as well.
At the same time, I can only speak for myself and assume that most people on here would not ever wish the Gosselin's ill harm when it comes to their marriage or their children. Yes, it is incredibly sad that they are going through problems and these children are probably suffering from it.
Lastly, I do not think that this issue is too complicated for us to blog about. Some of the women on this board, including myself, have gone through marriage problems. Granted I did not go about to magazines and publicly announce it, but I do not think that an issue is too complicated to address when one has experienced it already.

nomorekonartists said...

TellMeAnotherOne said...

Their "Family" is their priority??
Hummmph!! YEAH RIGHT WHATEVER

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Yeah I wanted to puke in my mouth when I read this, too. Family is only their priority when the Kids are on screen and the cameras are rolling. They have to give this persona that they are the ideal family, and family comes first.

Javin said...

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch the show for a couple of years, but thanks for the updates! Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Season 5, shouldn't the kids be in kindergarten, or at least pre-school? And still wearing bibs and sucking on stuffed animals? I don't think "Jon & Kate - The 8 At School" is going to do so well. Especially with Kate off in LA 80% of the time. A show about Jon sitting at home alone just doesn't sound exciting to me.

Javin said...

Actually, I take that back... I think they already HAVE made a show about Jon with Kate in LA and the kids in School. Something called 'Girls Gone Wild' right?

lifeoriley said...

I have to agree that anyone who uses their marriage and family life as a basis for a TV show is going to open themselves up for public scrutiny. It's a fact of life. Whether or not it is the public's "business"--I don't know.
It is certainly going to be a topic of discussion among viewers, though.
I really hope that the G's marriage works out--for the kids' sake. If Jon was just out blowing off steam--well, I can kinda understand that--to a certain extent. However, now that he has made his life public, he is going to have to act with more discretion if he wants to keep up the "happy family" image. Also, he should take pains not to embarrass his family or his kids publicly (Kate, too, for that matter).
And if this is all too much strain---novel idea--STOP the show. Get off TV and live a quiet and humble life. Money and "stuff" does not buy happiness-- there are many examples of this old adage. In a few years, trust me, the public will be on to the next thing.

My5blessings said...

When I first found this show--channel surfing. I liked it. I thought, "hey...a "natural" family. They actually live like others.

It didn't take long before I realized what a horrendously cruel and cold hearted person Kate is. Not only would I never treat my dh like this( nor would he allow me to), I'd certainly never treat my children the way her poor children are treated.

While I'd love to live unafraid and unaware of my financial situation, I'd never in a million years want the relationship she "shares" with her children and husband.

Where is the "blessed" feeling she so often speaks of, or at least she used to. I have to wonder as well, what really caused her parents to abandon her and their Grandchildren?

I watched the episode with the new puppies. Bless their little hearts. How awful to be purchased by her. What was that breeder thinking?

I also taped the Oprah show and YES, Jon did JERK his head awfully fast when she said there is "never enough money" wth? Never enough money? Yeah right! Does she watch or listen to herself? I'd say she and Jon will live off the backs of their children safely for the rest of their lives, regardless WHEN the show is off the air. They have made plenty in the name of their "blessings"

And Jon, sorry-- I cannot believe how mean he has become!
He actually yelled at his daughter for his failure to "remember" her! She was asleep for God's sake! And what the heck does that have to do with eating candy? She fell asleep and he jerks her out of the van while reprimanding her not to eat so much candy while she's coming out of a sound sleep? What was that about? More importantly,was it "organic@@?"

He used to be at least the *kind* one. No longer....... They say one spouse becomes much like the other. He certainly has adopted Kate's cruel ways. What a shame on so many levels. I do not adopt the idea she made him this way. You either are a nasty person or you are not. Obviously they both are, he simply feels more freedom to behave just like her.

I couldn't help but feel tremendous sadness when I watched her feed her children. Not because of what they ate but for how they were treated. What happened to a loving, relaxed meal with your family? She barked out orders to sit down, shut up, arms to your side and eat and most importantly, NAP. Translation for her idea of "nap" is -- leave me alone. Oh wait...... continue the gravy train though! I felt like I was watching a bad bootcamp show, only small--innocent children were the stars:(

I can't help it, if I hear her talk about "fixing the World" and she's going to "lose her mind."-- I might just puke. Not around her though, I'll find my butt laying on the cold laundry room floor@@

I'd LOVE to welcome her to my World. I AM blessed. I have 5 children. Two of which are severely disabled, one non-verbal and high maintenance ( not a bad thing, just a fact)

She is blessed to have children period, but to have six and no delays? No medical problems? She is blessed, she simply refused the blessing.

She wouldn't last one second in my home nor would I let her.

Fix the World because they are arguing over a toilet? A line about how she "wishes" she had a larger laundry. OMG, Gag me with a freaking pitchfork! Her two washers and two dryers aren't enough?

She is the black hole, sucking everything and anything up without a thought of who gets hurt in the process. Afterall, doesn't it come down to Kate, Kate and more Kate and her happiness? To echo her own words........................HELLO!!!

My5blessings........

Send Your Emails said...

Don't forget to send your letters to the editor at People Magazine.

editor@people.com

OhioMom53 said...

Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we err to deceive. Yes, there will be a Season 5 because they need to promote Kate and whatever new career change she is going into. It has to have something to do w/television. That is why Jon was the "cheater" and poor Kate in the People article for a PR spin in Kate's favor. Maybe Kate plus 8 and how a single mom copes w/8 kids. (Just speculating)...Since she didn't make her new house a "home" she probably will gladly let Jon and the kids live there. What happened to "this is all mine as far as the eye can see"? What happened to being a Mom to 8 kids. My heart saddens for the twins who have said already they get teased at school what is going to happen now that J&K have made People? Maybe since Kate is away from home 18 days a month, Jon can bring in his family to bond w/the kids. You know Kate won't allow any of her family back. I think the family and friends wised up regarding Kate's career goals and that is why she alienated them from her life. Maybe one of the pastors can counsel her when she does her engagements. This whole story just makes me so sad.

BAC said...

KON was on Access Hollywood last night so I guess this is getting covered by all of those magazine shows. They had the article in People blown up big in the back ground and read what it said. Then they showed them on the show from Halloween in their costumes and another time that they were there being interviewed by Billy Bush. Nothing was said that we have not already heard. If this a a publicity stunt I can't think it would be good for their church talks.

Lissy said...

just a thought, by you guys watching the show...you are supporting them. even if your saying you hate them throught by watching the show they still have viewers.

Ava2 said...

If this marriage does end in divorce, I hope that Jon invites all those who love the kids, back into their lives including his family, Nana Janet, Aunt Jodi, Beth and her family and so many others that Kate alienated. I wonder if the kids ever ask about them?

What a shame that the whole renewal of vows was just a going thru the motions for them. They desperately need counselling if this marriage is to last.

Kate, if you value your family, you'll have to make an effort to stop emasculating Jon. You've humiliated him and destroyed any sense of self confidence he had.

Jen said...

i dont think that their marriage being in trouble is a publicity stunt. those are horrible rumors to spread around about anybody, so why would they spread it about themselves?

Maxine said...

Ohiomom53. I don't think many 8 year olds read people magazine or watch access hollywood. I dont think they will tease them about this. anyway, who would tease poor 8 year olds about they're paretns being in trouble.

Teryn said...

What is a guy who commands a large speaking fee from churches, in which he shares his faith and christianity while the love offering basket goes around, doing in bar...without his spouse no less...and having "a few drinks to blow off steam" with college aged women?

These churches should be asking questions, not burying their heads in the sand. Jon's excuse is not acceptable in my opinion.

Lori In OHIO said...

I think this is all a ratings ploy... The thing that tipped me off was when they said Jon was away, helping his Mother. I doubt that.
I just can't see that happening. I bet those gals were actresess -- and this is all just another attempt to boost ratings. When are the big Nielson months? I know November is one, and for some reason " March sweeps" rings a bell with me. I don't think they are a loving couple to begin with- just partners in crime. This is nothing but in your face acting.

Also, there is no way TLC is stupid enough to let her go before the camera with beta carotne smeared all over her face,unless on purpose. They read the comments about her being orange- and then it was like "Orange? I'll show you orange". I think they are sick, sick people, and in turn they are embarking on the worst crime of all, which is selling out your kids to make a buck.

Amy said...

I've been reading all the comments and the posted magazines (thank you mods for the links). All I can say is the story of Jon cheating has legs. I'm not a journalist but it seems to me that more and more media are picking up on the story. Years ago (I'm only 57) Joan Crawford said fame is a double-edged sword. Well, it looks to be true for the Gosselins right now.

Stefanie said...

Maxine said...

Ohiomom53. I don't think many 8 year olds read people magazine or watch access hollywood. I dont think they will tease them about this. anyway, who would tease poor 8 year olds about they're paretns being in trouble.

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Maxine-
Kids, even eight year old kids, see magazines in stores. Kids have parents that talk in front of their children about topics like Kon. Kids have parents that watch Access Hollywood and Inside Edition in front of their children. The kids at their school are bound to find out about what is going on with the twins parents because it is being publicized everywhere.
Now as far as kids teasing them about it, I don't know if you have personally been inside a school as of late, but kids can be very mean. This is coming from someone that taught in school. Kids can be very mean and vindictive to one another and unfortunately kids will tease them about their parents. I would not be surprised if kids did not already tease them about their lives because the twins lives' are publicly displayed on television everyday for everyone to see--even kids at their school.
At the same time, wouldn't it be nice if they had a support system that they could go to and speak to about the issues that are going on with their parents? Possibly an uncle or an aunt that care for them? Or maybe grandparents? How about friends? With Jon and Kate being gone so much it is really sad that these kids are left to their own devices and made to swallow all the gossip and/or facts that are going around about their parents. They need their parents there to comfort them, and from what is being shown and said about Kon, it appears that Kate is too busy furthering her "career" and Jon is too busy partying it up. So, once again their children have been put on the back burner.

Konzilla said...

Maxine, no disrespect but no 8 year olds read People or watch Access Hollywood? I get People and my kids always look thru it and they recognize the kids from Jon and Kate and they can also read so they know exactly what is going on.Also these magazines cover a wide range of topics so they can appeal to all age groups. It is not for adults only. Same for Access Hollywood. They always have Jonas Bros., High school musical and stuff like that so all the kids that go to school with them also read and see this kind of info. Besides alot of kids watch J&K Plus 8. Who would tease an 8 year old? Another 8 year old thats who. P.S. New show title: Jon less Kate = Great!

Oh Please said...

Lori In OHIO said...

I think this is all a ratings ploy... The thing that tipped me off was when they said Jon was away, helping his Mother. I doubt that.
I just can't see that happening. I bet those gals were actresess -- and this is all just another attempt to boost ratings. When are the big Nielson months? I know November is one, and for some reason " March sweeps" rings a bell with me. I don't think they are a loving couple to begin with- just partners in crime. This is nothing but in your face acting.
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That's quite a conspiracy theory. First, there is no March sweeps period. Second, they are already the highest rated program on TLC so there would be no need to go to some insane extreme for publicity. Third, why in the world would anyone stage such a ridiculous publicity stunt? You can't seriously think that they would draw new viewers by making sure gossip rags and TV shows print stories about their failing marriage? I don't know of anyone who would tune in to watch a show they don't normally watch because they happened to catch a story about the couple's marriage. If you're not already a viewer of the show, why would you care?

WallyWinnie said...

The object is not to get new viewers to start watching, its to KEEP the currents viewers. This will keep them on top of the TLC lineup.

Anonymomma said...

Nah, I don't think it's a PR or ratings thing. I think it became (obviously) too hard to hide it from the kids. Where's Dad? Why can't we go into your room? Why are my friends saying Dad was at some bar with a girl? Etc. Etc. I don't think these two have been "together" since before the move to the house. Remember the link someone posted to the YouTube out take video of Kate flipping her lid on Jon about turning on the TV in the kids room? Something tells me things were downhill from there. That's when the body language (even off the couch if you watch Kate in the out take) was really really telling, IMO.

When was the last time we've seen them together (even on the couch) where Kate knew what was going on with her kids (and not just hearing it for the first time) and they were even somewhat nice to each other? I can't recall. Anyone know?

caiteefacee said...

Yes I recently saw the UTube about the TV being left on in the bedroom and she really let him have it. I mean it was reallllly painful to watch. Like a car crash you couldn't take your eyes off. She was SO angry I really thought she could possibly hit him or something that is how angry she was with him. I thought maybe she had a migraine or really bad PMS. Hormones can do that to you. When was that? It reminded me of a movie I had seen years ago about how a marriage fell apart. Oprah and Dr. Phil should show that as an example of domestic abuse.

Lori In OHIO said...

Lori In OHIO said...

I think this is all a ratings ploy... The thing that tipped me off was when they said Jon was away, helping his Mother. I doubt that.
I just can't see that happening. I bet those gals were actresess -- and this is all just another attempt to boost ratings. When are the big Nielson months? I know November is one, and for some reason " March sweeps" rings a bell with me. I don't think they are a loving couple to begin with- just partners in crime. This is nothing but in your face acting.
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That's quite a conspiracy theory. First, there is no March sweeps period. Second, they are already the highest rated program on TLC so there would be no need to go to some insane extreme for publicity. Third, why in the world would anyone stage such a ridiculous publicity stunt? You can't seriously think that they would draw new viewers by making sure gossip rags and TV shows print stories about their failing marriage? I don't know of anyone who would tune in to watch a show they don't normally watch because they happened to catch a story about the couple's marriage. If you're not already a viewer of the show, why would you care?

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These things happen all the time on TV. No big secret there. They want to keep up tuned in and talking about it. Which is just what is happening. All of the gossip shows have carried their version of what happens. What do you think the PR team does??? They think up ways to keep you glued to your seat to come back for more. Much like the writers of a drama such as ER would do. The only difference is they have to deal with the real Jon and Kate-- vs. actors. So-- they set the stage for drama-- we tune in, or buy magazines that have all the info we want-- and BOOM-- they stay at the top of the ratings. I don't know this of course, and am only speculating. But then, that is what everyone else on this forum is doing - correct???

redrivergrl said...

I think the reason Kate is gone all of the time is because they don't have the luxury of leaving the kids with anyone else. They slapped down both Beth and Aunt Jodi and that's who they depended on most. Kate is gone promoting her new book and making all the press junkets. When you alienate so many people you only have each other to depend on. You never see friends come over or people from their church. They have circled the wagons.

Oh Please said...

These things happen all the time on TV. No big secret there. They want to keep up tuned in and talking about it. Which is just what is happening. All of the gossip shows have carried their version of what happens. What do you think the PR team does??? They think up ways to keep you glued to your seat to come back for more. Much like the writers of a drama such as ER would do. The only difference is they have to deal with the real Jon and Kate-- vs. actors. So-- they set the stage for drama-- we tune in, or buy magazines that have all the info we want-- and BOOM-- they stay at the top of the ratings. I don't know this of course, and am only speculating. But then, that is what everyone else on this forum is doing - correct???

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Sorry, but I don't buy your "theory." Kate and Jon are making money hand over fist speaking on the church circuit. They are on a TV show about a family raising multiples that is marketed as family-oriented viewing. It is not to their long-term advantage to make up a story about him cheating on her and running wild in bars. Their target demographic is not the MTV crowd.

SJ and ME + 3 said...

SueM said...
Full disclosure: I am not a Kate fan.

However, regarding rumors, I think it's very sad. I also think it would explain a lot. And, as my Nana always said, "there are 2 sides to every penny". Marriages are as complicated as the people in it and I would never begin to presume to know what goes on in the Gosselin's marriage no matter how many cameras are running. Is Jon acting out because Kate is a witch or is Kate a witch because Jon acts out?? Who knows. I think this is where we should give them a break and let them figure it out on there own.

Maybe, life is teaching Jon and Kate some much needed lessons and they can learn and become stronger for it. Let's hope so for the kids' sake.

3/12/2009 8:00 PM



Well said...I totally agree.

thehazlettfamily said...

I have been trying to find the link to the youtube video everyone is referencing about the TV. I've even searched youtube.com. Can someone please either tell me the title of the clip or post the link again? I've gone back to early February looking for the post. I don't usually follow all links posted here but this seems like one I really need to see. Thank you.

CK said...

First, there is no March sweeps period.

Actually, there is a March sweeps this year - it's usually in February, but got pushed back due to the DTV switch that hasn't happened yet.

I don't think Jon's pics are a PR stunt, but I bet it gets a lot of sympathy for Kate on her church circuit. She can play the martyr again, having to put up with a wandering husband. Never mind that she treats him like crap.

sunnygrace said...

I didn't understand the comment Maddy made -- about Kate not there anymore to discipline her? or something like that? What was that about?

I don't understand what is meant by Kate's career? Doing what? The show never had been about the children and parenting at all. There is never anything about the uniqueness of being twins, a multiple, special bonds. It's not a learning experience as neither are any of the glut of shows on multiples. It's only about managing/wrangling to keep order. (Or, look at pitiful me after shocking! multiples from fertility treatments; therefore I deserve media attention.)

JJ said...

I will be satisfied when:

1) the show goes off the air

2) people stop feeling sorry for Jon and being on his side!!! UGH! He is terrible. Kate is in your face obnoxious, but he is so passive aggressive and sometimes outwardly awful too. I wish there were no more "poor Jon" comments with just pure Kate hate. The hate should be divided equally.

Kate may not be home for her kids, but I doubt Jon is either - only in the physical. I am willing to bet the nanny does everything and Jon is doing his own thing 90%+ of the time. You don't buy a condo in Utah for the occasional visit - I bet he's up there pretty frequently.

He's scum, too.

4thekids said...

I finally got my People magazine and read the J&K article and now their couch interview behavior makes SO much more sense! The incidence happened in February, and you know that it was the talk of the area before it became a big hit with magazines. So Kate definitely must have found out around the time they were filming for these February/March episodes, and her attitude is reflected during the filming.

Kate having her foot up, angled away from Jon, not speaking unless she is ruthlessly snapping at him...I would stake this year's paycheck on the fact that Kate lashed him up one side and down the other for his behavior. And the funny thing is, I bet she wasn't pissed about the cheating rumors in terms of her marriage, but rather how if it got out it may derail or even bring down their little empire they've got going. I can just picture it: "Jon, did you sleep with any of those girls? ... WHAT, there were pictures?!? How COULD you? If this gets out we'll probably lose all of our speaking engagements and free trips! BASTARD!" :-D

On a more serious note, my heart goes out to those dear children, ESPECIALLY Mady and Cara. Yes, they may not read People or watch Access Hollywood (especially since Kate knows she's one of the topics of fodder as of late) but other people do, and you just know there has to be awful rumors running around the twins' school from kids whose parents know what's up with the Go$$elin parents.

Kate said something about stopping the show when it "was no longer fun." Well Kate, your marriage is failing, your children will suffer from it, and they are probably getting flak from other kids at school. Hmmm, sure doesn't sound like fun to me... ... ...

Lori In OHIO said...

These things happen all the time on TV. No big secret there. They want to keep up tuned in and talking about it. Which is just what is happening. All of the gossip shows have carried their version of what happens. What do you think the PR team does??? They think up ways to keep you glued to your seat to come back for more. Much like the writers of a drama such as ER would do. The only difference is they have to deal with the real Jon and Kate-- vs. actors. So-- they set the stage for drama-- we tune in, or buy magazines that have all the info we want-- and BOOM-- they stay at the top of the ratings. I don't know this of course, and am only speculating. But then, that is what everyone else on this forum is doing - correct???

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Sorry, but I don't buy your "theory." Kate and Jon are making money hand over fist speaking on the church circuit. They are on a TV show about a family raising multiples that is marketed as family-oriented viewing. It is not to their long-term advantage to make up a story about him cheating on her and running wild in bars. Their target demographic is not the MTV crowd.
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My "theory" may very well be way off. Who would know. But, I have been giving this thought from a different angle, as a PR team is paid to do.

1) kids are getting older-- starting to speak up in front of the cameras- and are ticking time bombs to let the cat out of the bag about family secrets. Ok-- so need to find a way to keep $$$$ rolling in "using" the family concept, but , maybe at some point not by means of a TV show.

2)By all who observe, the relationship of KON has been going down hill for some time. Real? Staged? most likely both.

3) Now - there is all of this talk of Kate's career- and of Jon's bar hopping and cheating.

4) They are a Christian couple ( rolls eyes) and make many $$$ off of church gigs. HOWEVER, because of blogs like this, people are starting to wonder about their sincerity. That takes away $$$. So- -we need to come up with a plan of action.

5) Kate's career is writing books of course, and Jon is feeling less of a man because of it. They have said this, and , it is a bit out of charachter for this couple to admit such things.

6) Here is where the PR angle begins. The goal is to keep dollars flowing.

Jon and Kate are becoming more and more distant. It is having an effect on the whole family-- kids, Jon and even Kate. They are having "growing pains" but are still committed to trying to make this work. They thought that buying this big new house was the answer, but, in the total scheme of things, it didn't make them any happier, just less confined with more room to run.
They work hard to rebuild a marrige that is crumbling, and along the way-- they find that God has blessed them, and they have realized the error of their ways. They work hard and long to make themselves a happy family again.

AND GUESS WHAT-- Kate writes a book about this journey of healing. Churches that are questioning them now flock to hear a different message-- not one of how needy we are ( because that ole song an dance don't cut it no more) BUT one of our way back to God, and to our family. They have a whole new talk track now!!! And a new book to promote. When the kids go off to school, they can still ride the gravy train.

The show will continue, but now we tune in to see the Jon and Kate we have been asking for. If they are nicer and calmer, then there won't be as much reason to ask for them to be pulled off the air. ( Think Duggers)

Kate will still be Kate, but softer and less fridgid. And -- she will be seen cuddling the kids more. People will tune in to see what everyone is talking about-- and RATINGS stay high-- a new book deal is inked, and the churches are impressed with their commitment.

Just sayin....

jon and kate are cons said...

So now I read that Kate is thinking about having her own talk show. Now we all know that she is crazy. She can't even talk right for two seconds let alone a whole show.......

jonandkatewho? said...

Wow. I hate to think what that last poster said could happen, but it might. It does make sense from a PR angle.

Kate has already somewhat "established" herself as an author. We all know she couldn't possibly be a GOOD writer..she lacks the imagination and the skill to be a really good writer, but her crazed fans will probably buy anything she puts out there.

I can totally see her marketing this marriage problem thing. It will indeed give her more to talk about at churches and write about in a new book.

Nutty as she might be, she does know how to take advantage of opportunities...and people.

Such a shame. A person who basically lacks any kind of talent ending up on talk show circuits writing books and making a ton of money...all because she decided to have a pack of kids.

Even if Kate herself did not see it, I am sure her PR people quickly convinced her that here is another opportunity for her to capitalize on even the problems in her marriage. That's not too high a price to pay for her; she's been using those kids for years now so if that isn't sacred, nothing is.

If there were no market for this kind of thing then the world would undoubtedly be a better place; sadly, we all know that this stuff sells. People will tune in to see what happens with their marriage and her book when it comes will probably sell like ice cream in Hell.

Gag me with a cupcake!

Snerk said...

Ms. Ummm as a talk show host? Stupider things have happened. I give it a month or two. She might have actually hit upon the very thing to let the sheeple finally she her as she really is.

redrivergrl said...

As much as I dislike this couple and what they have become, I would never wish the break up of a family. I hope after these articles Kate and Jon see how this is and could affect their family. I'm sure Cara and Mady's friends have seen the magazines and I feel very sad for them. My hope is that they both decide to end this show and to focus on rebuilding their family, making peace with family members and friends, and getting back to living a normal life where you work for your family and they have friends over and the public eye isn't telling you what you're doing wrong. Keep it private and love your kids. Nothing else matters in this life.

Ms.Peach said...

She still clips coupons?!?!? How bogus is that? Her wish is for a talk show. Don't do it Oprah, don't you dare!

4girlsoneboy said...

"I didn't understand the comment Maddy made -- about Kate not there anymore to discipline her? or something like that? What was that about?"


During one of the interviews that Kate did with all the kids, she corrected Mady - Mady brazenly said to her that she did not have to listen to her anymore. This was the same day - not the same interview - that Mady said that she liked her dad better. I don't think anything was said by Mady about Kate being away all the time. On one day, following the births of the octuplets, Kate and the kids were seen on three different morning shows discussing the births. Someone said that the interviews were all done by satellite from Philadelphia. The children appeared to be very tired and acted even worse than usual, if that is possible.

Midwest Mom said...

from the London article:

Kate said, "Also, I can't forget to mention that Jon and our babysitter also make it possible for me to travel and work."

Let's re-phrase that, shall we ?

"Also, I forget to mention that Jon and our babysitter make it possible for me to garner all the media attention AND CASH, at the same time never having to actually be at home to take care of the children. And I've fooled everyone into thinking I'm America's Number 1 Super Mom !"

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