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Dee said...

This show is so far from it's original premise it's just not funny any more. These 2 are obviously having marital problems and they have issues with Mady. They should pull the plug themselves and get their house in order before they destroy their marriage and have Mady self destruct in front of America. They have no clue what they are doing here. I've been married almost 20 years, and I have 3 children so I'm not pulling this out of thin air--I've seen this stuff happen WITHOUT cameras around. I think this is why most of us who read this blog are so upset--we can see the writing on the wall and it's like watching a train wreck.
When she gets older, Mady will be very angry with them over this publicity of her childhood tantrums.

Trainwrecks said...

Stray thought: Why are there so many people here advocating professional help for Mady? It won't do any good until her parents get help. Mady is a little girl with limitless potential; Jon and Kate are the real problem. If you send Mady to therapy, you address the symptom NOT the cause...

emma said...

I know that Aunt Jodie, Beth, Karla and the other "regulars" are no longer present but does anyone know why no other family member has ever been seen or talked about?I find that very odd. I can understand not having a super close relationship with your parents or siblings but to shut everyone out like that seems bizarre. The reason why I can tolerate Little People Big World and 18 kids and counting is that they seem to be more "real." The parents have jobs, the kids have friends and social lives, they all interact well together and have a number of extended family members present. Does anyone remember the Roloff's Christmas special? When both Matt and Amy's parents and siblings came to visit. That was such a heartwarming episode. We don't see any of that with KON. Fine, maybe family members aren't close to them but they have no friends either! What is that about?

Another thing that I find odd is the failure of TLC producers to tell Queen Kate to start dressing down a bit. You would think that they would notice how utterly ridiculous she looks half the time. Why aren't they saying anything about that? Who gets dressed up to take their kids to the dentist? Or to the breeder to pick out puppies? Bizarre.

I cannot expess how horribly sorry I feel for those innocent children. I remember being the twins' age and having a lot of friends, sleepovers, secrets and a normal happy childhood. I cannot even imagine for one second what it would be like to be that age and have a camera crew follow me around. The poor twins are probably so self-conscious in front of the camera and are probably in constant fear of what their peers at school are going to say. How awful. And what about the tups? Aren't they almost 5? Shouldn't they be heading off to kindergarten? Will the lovely crew follow them there? How miserable.

KON's laziness at providing for their children and their overall attitude speak volumes of their true characters. I went on their website and noticed how they reveal such personal details about each of their kids. It's like a celebrity's website with all the "likes and dislikes." The poor tups have become "celebrities" by just being born. How can any parent justify exploiting their children like this?

I believe that one good thing has come out of their show: parents-to-be from around the world can watch these two morons in action and use them as examples of how NOT to raise children!

Kate has said numerous times that their lives are "awesome." No dear, it's not awesome. It's tragic. She'll realize that when the kids write a tell-all-book. They'll probably call it "Multiple Mistakes. How our parents continuously failed at their role and exploited us for a little bit of fame and money." Hope some of the money KON has swindled has been put away for future therapy sessions. So sad.

TestTEst said...

Here's another group with a brood to jump on the bandwagon:

http://growingyourbaby.com/2008/06/18/masche-sextuplets-star-in-omg-sextuplets/

PCOSinfo said...

Despite the fact that we didn't see Mady and Cara in the previous two episodes (I didn't watch the puppies epi) it doesn't mean that they weren't being filmed constantly. It only means that they were edited out of the final cut. I'm sure they were still filmed for at least 3 days straight. They just didn't quite make it into those two half-hour time blocks.

Heidi said...

Is the puppies episode it for this season?
You would think we would get a reprieve from the Gaggle of Gosselins but probably not. TLC will amp up the marathons so that we do not forget them while they live their lives for another season.
What episodes do you think we will get next time?
Kate scrubs the grout in between the new tiled floor? *Out out damn Spot..Out!*
Jon gives us a half hour lesson on how to mow the back forty?
Or a long heartfelt special episode on why the dogs are no longer with us??

I love my son! said...

I wonder how many more lame shows these two can think of? Saying goodbye to the old house. I wonder what kind words Kate will have for the old house? A trip to the vet. A half hour of Kate complaining about Shoka Kon. Maybe in the near future Jon will schedule his yearly prostate exam only to find Kate still has his balls in her pocket. What a rare treat that would be. Or maybe Kate can take us shopping with her to see where she gets those designer brands she's been sporting lately. Those sunglasses look like a nice pair of Christian Dior's...do they have or even make a coupon for those? My point is that this show isn't reality it's scripted. When you have to think of things to do to make a show then it is no longer reality tv. I keep thinking of a song by John Mellencamp something about 'when the walls come tumbling down' I just hope their kids will be ok.

overwithKON said...

Dee said...I've seen this stuff happen WITHOUT cameras around. I think this is why most of us who read this blog are so upset--we can see the writing on the wall and it's like watching a train wreck.
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I think that you have hit the nail on the head. My 13 year old daughter last night was asking why I am at this site as much as I am and why I care so much, and I didnt know how to answer her. But this is why, I have seen this stuff happen, and cannot imagine if just one of the litte tiffs between me and dh or my daughter and I were shown on national TV. Just the fact of how *I* would feel let alone how they would feel, especially 15 years from now when a rerun comes on and Mady's boyfriend or boss see's it! UGH! Why cant these parent see this?

tallblonde said...

I made a comment over on the article comment section - and the more I think about it - the more it seems true.

I view Jon & Kate as this decade's Jim & Tammy Faye Bakker. When you think about it - traveling the church circuit - the "poor mouthing" in order to get donations - the gullible fans that supported them to the end - the lies - the deceit - plastic surgery - children with "issues" - and building up the "image" until the lies were uncovered and everything came crashing down around them.

It will be interesting to explore the parallels between the 2 couples!

Old North State said...

I still can't get over the fact that Keight told John the kids didn't need winter coats to go to the breeders' kennel. On top of that, she shows up dressed to the nines and ends up looking like a doofus because she didn't expect everything to be outside. Who wears high heels to pick out a puppy? She has decided that she is a celebrity now and she can't appear out in public in the type of clothes that the rest of us "unwashed" folks might wear. I wish the puppies had peed all over her when she was clutching them in her hot little hands. Puppies do that when they are SCARED!

Old North State said...

Emma said: Does anyone remember the Roloff's Christmas special?
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I remember how they hired out all their Christmas decorating and how over the top it was. I used to enjoy the Roloffs but they now seem to be taking a page out of J & K's book with their extravagant trips and McMansion. Just not much of a fan now.

Insomniac said...

While I agree with what everybody is saying, let me toss this out for the sake of discussion.

This show started out as a documentary, It was meant to be a documentary-style reality show.

You can't choose to only have happy things if you're documenting actual events.

So while we all hate what we're seeing now and we all know that "Jon & Kate + 8", like any documentary, is still subject to the decisionmaking of the director (and that director, obviously, now knows that what he/she is documenting is being viewed in prime time on basic cable TV), what we are seeing is what really is occurring - the evolution of a family that's been elevated out of its comfort zone.

The show has changed because the principals have changed. You don't have to like it; it is what it is.

One could argue that our ability to witness the changes in Kate, increase in materialism, etc. is the result of "pure" documentary-making,

With a documentary you don't get to pick the outcome. You get stuck with whatever occurs.

That's what (used to) set the "reality" shows of TLC, Discovery, History Channel, apart from the junk on the Big 3 Networks during primetime.

Just because this show started out hooking us because of the wonderful children, doesn't mean the show has to stay that way. It's not "Jon & Kate + 24/7 Cuteness."

It's "Jon & Kate and This is What Happens When You're Naive About What You Sign On For and Have to Live with the Ugly Consequences."

You want to see nothing but cute babies? Me too. In a perfect world there'd be a "cute babies channel" just like Animal Planet shows the Puppy Bowl on Super Bowl Sunday,

You're watching TLC -- The Learning Channel. And you (we) are learning that when you're selfish and want more fertility drugs for more babies now Now NOW and faster, Faster FASTER this is what you get. A mid-life crisis.

Anonymomma said...

Does anyone know, or can anyone find out, when the Park City Utah episodes (Gosselins Go Skiing) were filmed? I know they aired originally in March 08, but I was wondering when they might have actually been filmed. Is there a way to find out?

PhD said...

"I know that Aunt Jodie, Beth, Karla and the other "regulars" are no longer present but does anyone know why no other family member has ever been seen or talked about?"

There was a Q&A in the "USA Weekend" or "Parade" magazine (that come with the Sunday paper). Someone wrote in asking precisely what you did. Kate answered that the way the show is filmed does not necessarily mean that extended family are not involved in their lives; it simply means they aren't around during filming, because filming takes place for such a paltry amount of time per week.

The way her response was worded was in a very weasel-like manner, and was highly qualified. "not necessarily," etc. She was completely dodging the question, and I'm sure it's because extended family are cut out of their lives because she's such a freak.

momof3kidsand3dogs said...

This show is insulting to the the average American family. I, for one, am outraged at the free ride these two freeloaders are getting off the backs of their children. The show where the appliances were delivered just sickend me. And yes, I'm jealous. I, too, live in a 17 year old house with 17 year old appliances. My dishwaher is just not washing the dishes as well any more either. However, I can tell you that a new one isn't going to magically appear at the front door. Same with the refridgerator. And don't even get me started on the TWO sets of washers and dryers ! I do at least 3 loads of laundry a day in my REGULAR sized washer that is 7 years old. My husband goes to work 10 hours a day and works hard. We are living a very comfortable life in a nice town, but we just don't have money to throw around. We have 3 kids. Our oldest is 16 and college is just around the corner and we are saving for that. We spend our money carefully. My point is that I'm insulted to have Kate turn her nose up at these "old appliances" and then have new ones delivered FREE OF ChARGE. She has lost complete touch with reality.

BS110 said...

Trainwrecks said, Stray thought: Why are there so many people here advocating professional help for Mady?

I think Mady needs help and she needs it before more damage is done to her psyche. This show is causing so much stress and it shows with the meltdowns she is constantly having. Your right though if her parents were to get counseling by an experienced care giver perhaps they could educate J&K on how much this show is damaging their children. Then J&K could weigh the balance of their kids well-being over the money they are earning. Sad to say though I think the parents would choose the $$$. So today its Mady showing signs of distress but in time how will the show effect the other kids?

I can't imagine Queen Kate going to a couselor because she thinks she is smart and knows everything [expert] at parenting.

BarbBe said...

Emma: I agree with you on the Roloffs having extended family around them. The kids have friends from school that do normal things with. What a normal family does even if there are cameras around. They have a mutt who just follows them around the farm like any dog would. They have a cat that gets on the counters and furniture. Normal. In the puppy episode you can tell Joel misses the former crew especially Scott. It seems like Kate just wants to isolate the kids and have little or no interaction w/"normal" people. It is worse now that they have their kompound, but I'm not sure they interacted w/the neighbor kids from their old house. The twins are at the age where they should be having friends over and the tups well they just need interaction with other kids their own age. Maybe this will happen when they go f-t into kindergarten. Even when the tups went to Sunday school the episode they showed the tups were isolated from the other 3 year old kids. I do not get this at all. The kids would have more self control on their emotions if the mingled with other kids their own age and not just each other. As for the comment of dressing up, when I was Kate's age I never went anywhere w/o my hair done and make-up to dentist appts, grocery store, etc. When I turned 50 I don't dress up or put make-up on. If I could get away w/it I would wear pajamas all day. Sometimes I do. I think the enormous PR pressure on J&K is emotionally too much for them. They were young and immature when they had children and now all this fame and the pressure of 8 kids is too much. Hopefully we will have one more season w/them and the kids can then try to have a normal, happy childhood with friends, family and... My heart breaks at the possibility that can never be in the Gosselin household.

Katie Barnhouse said...

While I'm concerned with all of the Gosselin children the one that I worry most about is NOT Mady. I worry for Cara. When we used to see her she was this vibrant, sweet and beautiful little girl. Now it looks as if the light has gone out of her. At least with Mady she lets it be known that she is not happy with a person/situation, but Cara is always silent. Kon even said that Cara lets everything build up and then has a "meltdown." It is all going to become too much for this poor girl and she will snap. I pray that this doesn't happen, but I fear that it will. WAKE UP KON!!

tallblonde said...

Old North State: " used to enjoy the Roloffs but they now seem to be taking a page out of J & K's book with their extravagant trips and McMansion."
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....but the Roloffs have a few "extra pages" in their book that are different from Jon & Kate...such as both parents working - having a "working farm" - note the emphasis on WORKING....
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Its A Good Thing said...

I think they are running out of episode ideas, I haven't watched in 3 weeks but its seems like they are getting increasingly boring. I think the show may be "on its last legs", because really who wants to watch them take another "free" vacation?

ROFL said...

To the moderators of this board I have never done this but I wanted to thank you for all your hard work. After reading just a few posts yesterday attached to the article Jessica wrote I realized all the 'smut' you must receive on a daily basis. Thank you for keeping this board informative and classy.

Sadie said...

Kate has mentioned several times how critical a strict schedule is to her parenting practices. She told Dr. Phil that when the tups came home from the hospital that she fed them at 8, 12, 4, and 8. Four times per day for premature infants!!! It is unfathomable to me that strict adherence to that schedule provided enough food for growing babies!

With all her talk about feeding schedules, nap schedules, and how the tups respond to "discipline," it makes me wonder if Kate adheres to a parenting program designed by Gary Ezzo. His program has been taught in fundamental Christian churches all over the country by the name of "Growing Kids God's Way" or secularly by books such as "Babywise."

It is not my point to bash this program, but to point out that Kate's strategy appears to be similar. If anyone wants to research concerns about the program or Gary Ezzo, they can look up http://www.ezzo.info.com and read for themselves the concerns by the medical, Christian, and parenting education communities.

I hope I don't offend anyone. I just wanted to share my suspicions about where these questionable parenting practices have come from.

2cutekids said...

Why on Earth were Kate and Jon never examined under a microscope and persecuted in the media like this Nadia Suleman (Octomom) is? Who was asking the question, "Were Kate and Jon fit to raise 6 babies at once, in addition to meeting the needs of their other 2?" When did parenting become a spectator sport, with tv time, designer shirts made up for the team mom, company sponsors and endorsements, and tv talk show/radio comentators weighing in as Monday morning QBs? I know the 2 teams bear sharp contrasts on the surface - married couple vs. single, welfare vs. low middle class,... What does that say of us as a society? It's acceptable for a nice looking, married couple to bring a liter of children into the world and assume parental responsibilities, but not a single mom. We did not ask or examine KONs coping skills, or parenting skills before they brought the babies home. In the end, the issue at hand is emotionally providing for more than 1 newborn at a time, and eventually they become toddlers and then young children and then adolencents. And 1 parent - or even 2 parents - cannot emotionally provide for a team of 6, or 8 or 14 children all the time. Shouldn't we stop the game of producing multiples for the sake of winning the most and getting the biggest trophy. Shouldn't we condemm the media, tv and corporations who reward these oversized teams with exposure and prizes?

Its A Good Thing said...

tallblonde: I agree, Amy and Matt are completely different from Jon and Kate. Matt and Amy both work, even Molly said that her mom took on a second job so she could stay in her school. Yes the the Rolloffs (sp) take vacations but IMO they would take them regardless of the show.

ruthy said...

Anonymomma said...
Does anyone know, or can anyone find out, when the Park City Utah episodes (Gosselins Go Skiing) were filmed? I know they aired originally in March 08, but I was wondering when they might have actually been filmed. Is there a way to find out?

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I think it was in January 2008. I live in Utah. My cousin was one of the men that took them by sleigh ride to the restaurant (he rang the bell at the end). If it is really important I can call him and ask.

Jen K said...

Re: the Rohloffs and hiring out decorating help. They hire out for a lot of stuff and have lots of help with tasks that require different physical abilities than they have. I have no problem with that. Despite the different physical abilities that they have, they have always worked. Can't say the same about the G's.

MSM said...

I had posted this in the re-cap episode because this thread hadn't opened up yet.


People are paying attention to TV shows. I was just reading my local New York paper where authorities in Florida are probing possible child abuse allegations seen in a February 13th episode of "Supernanny". The dad was seen slapping his daughter. A child service agency wants to make sure the Davis family is receiving counseling. At least something good came from one reality TV show.

I feel it is so great that a reality show showcasing one family is finally getting looked at by authorities. Now only if the baby beauty pageants were being looked at. Exploitation at its best. In time everyone will catch on about J and K. They are so fake now and being they aren't real celebrities and we all know America loves us the REAL celebrities.

Savethekids said...

Here is the thing with Mady, In MY opinion only. I really feel that she has been labled the " bad child" and as she gets older, not only will her friends ridicule her, but her family will hold it against her. My mom was alot like Kate, where she would pick, pick, pick, and throw even her own children under the bus. Well i would have "tantrums" just like Maddy, and my mom would set up a camera in the living room, and bait me out there so i would have my tantrum out there. She would show my grandparents/dad, brother, who ever would listen and I would get in so much trouble, never mind the fact that her baiting me wanst on the tape. Even at 30 years old, today, my mom will still bring up that i was a bad child, and when i say anything to the contrary, she will say " shall we bring out the old tapes?" I can see this happening wiht Mady. HER meltdowns and Tantrums are forecer fosilised, to be thorwn into her face. Nevermind that she is only reacting the way that she knows. I am so worried that she will become a very hateful persone. I hope that she can get some help, however, i doubt kate will allow it. Beth, Julie, and the like have all been banished. I wonder if Grandparents ever watch this show, and just shake their heads. They must just ache for what their children have turned into, and what their Granbabies are dealing with.

Tracy said...

The Roloffs Christmas show -- they had celebrated the Christmas early -because it was the only time they could get Amy's family altogether - and Matt's as well.. so it was celebrated well before Christmas.. I think like in October or November?

So, yeah - they did seem to go over the top - but I believe it was to make it seem like Christmas to the family (since it was so early).

This family is totally different than Jane and Kate. You can't even compare.

zoey said...

I personally dont believe that Keight and Jon have Millions in the bank. In fact, i am leaning toward the side where they are over spending. i Think they want to have the finer things in life but once the show and speaking engagements end, it will be quick to crumble.
8 kids 2 puppies a Huge house with a huge mortgage taxes i highly doubt they can keep up with the jones' for more than 5 years once the show ends.
they do not know how to manage their money they make poor decisions.

June C said...

Jon and Kate are the biggest low class moochers around. The fame and fortune have made them bigger monsters of greed, but they seem to have that "do for us" attitude all along, but it wasn't so obvious in the beginning shows. Why are they still on the air? Most reality shows feature and reward bad behavior. It has gone past the cute kid factor and is going for shock value of what will that "b" Kate do next, will Jon ever stand up for himself, will he implode?
Sheeple watching the show "because the kids are so cute, I want to see what they're doing" are very selfish. They don't think past "this show is making me happy" not looking deep enough into what a disfunctional train wreak this is.

karen0101 said...

"People are paying attention to TV shows. I was just reading my local New York paper where authorities in Florida are probing possible child abuse allegations seen in a February 13th episode of "Supernanny". The dad was seen slapping his daughter. A child service agency wants to make sure the Davis family is receiving counseling. At least something good came from one reality TV show."

That's good news. Supernanny and it's lead in Wife Swap are repulsive in the way the kids are humiliated on national TV. Wife Swap is heavily edited to make each family look as awful and ridiculous as possible without regard to how the children are effected. It's all about the ratings. I don't know how these reality show producers sleep at night.

BarbBe said...

Well we need to brace ourselves cause there is going to be another round of PR tours w/Kate once her book/cookbook come out. She of course will have the kids since it is their 8 little faces that are in the book. Judging from the last public appearances they made in 2008 together this upcoming one should be even more interesting and there will be plenty of things to comment on. The Soup is going to have plenty of outtakes from Kate for a long time. Comparison, you are in a store and you see Kate and Amy, you approach each one individually and say that you love watching their show, which one do you think would be cordial to you? Kate needs to come down from Katedom and realize she created this and has only herself to blame for lack of privacy.

Moons in Leo said...

Any of these so-called 'reality' shows where parents are dragging their kids into the act is just wrong, IMO. Children cannot opt out (no matter what Kate claims) when their parents decide to expose the family to the scrutiny of living in the public eye.

I agree with Katie Barnhouse. Cara does not act out and I am sure that it is only a matter of time before her pent-up emotions erupt inappropriately.

All the children need intervention. Personally I think J&K are beyond redemption. I am still hopeful the psyches of those kids can be salvaged.

jonandkatewho? said...

This morning, I watched a repeat of one of the earlier specials on this family.

I am truly horrified by the changes that have taken place, and if ever there was a clear statement that fame and money can corrupt, this is it.

Jon and Kate used to be more humble. They were more calm, more "normal", and like many posters have said, I prefer the old Kate with her frumpy clothes and all to the one we see now. She used to kiss and cuddle those kids alot more than what we see now, and she was more hands-on with them in their day to day lives.

I guess it could be true what people say about her having that Baby Love thing going on. It just seemed like these two were totally different people in the beginning. The tups were babies then, but it still seemed to me that they did not really like the cameras and were not happy during some of the filming. I thought them showing Alexis after she pooped herself was in extremely bad taste, and should never have happened. Maybe that was one of the early things they did that made everything else just seem acceptable to them on some level.

Nowadays we see these very arrogant, childish people who act like it's all about them. It was all about the kids at first, and how they managed. Even though they had help way back then, they still seemed more like normal human beings.

These days they seem to have no patience with those children at all. They seem to have almost "outgrown" those kids, they seem almost incidental to Jon and Kate. It's very sad. Mady is sad to watch. Cara's silences and the looks on her face when the cameras actually catch her face are sad.

Everything about this makes me sad for those children. TV has ruined that family.

I don't think those kids are any happier in the new house, and I don't think the new pups are going to make them happy either. If ever there were a lesson to be learned about money not buying happiness, it lies right in this family's story.

This is all very sad. I'm sorry to go on and on about this, but I just could not help but notice the difference in the whole family from the time of the early special I saw this morning to the horrible show I saw on Monday night with the pups.

I don't think they can ever go back, not to the way they used to be. They've been spoiled.

Tragic for these kids, whose lives need to be private and not fodder for blogs such as this one. I love this blog, but I wish there were no need for it.

If ever laws were needed to protect kids in situations like this one, it's now.

Jen K said...

I would love to meet Amy Rohloff in person. She is always so appreciative of everything and treats everyone with respect. Polar opposite of what Kate is like.

PAMommyof3 said...

PAMommyof3
One thing that I can't get out of my head is with the kids always on different talk show appearances and taking outings/vacations for episodes, how often are Cara and Mady being pulled out of school to do this?
And also would their house/property have to be zoned commerical in order to take out of it?

Arieslikekate said...

There was a Q&A in the "USA Weekend" or "Parade" magazine (that come with the Sunday paper). Someone wrote in asking precisely what you did. Kate answered that the way the show is filmed does not necessarily mean that extended family are not involved in their lives; it simply means they aren't around during filming, because filming takes place for such a paltry amount of time per week.

The way her response was worded was in a very weasel-like manner, and was highly qualified. "not necessarily," etc. She was completely dodging the question, and I'm sure it's because extended family are cut out of their lives because she's such a freak.

I did post about this in another topic on this board. Kate seems to know how to "talk around the issues" and I am sure she has a PR person training her on how to avoid answering the REAL questions.

Arieslikekate said...

It is a shame that Kate has been denying "reality" for the almighty dollar.

These children are going to grow up with unrealistic expectations.

Perhaps in a few years we can look forward to them touring in a road show of some play or musical band?

Kate has NO inner beauty. It is apparent she doesn't like herself anymore, and it is starting to show.

Arieslikekate said...

Can we look forward to a "scene" where kate opens a closet and screams " NO MORE WIRE HANGERS" ??

There life IS scripted.... that's all there is to it.

Crystal said...

Now that it appears that Jen Stocks is no longer affiliated with or working on Jon & Kate + 8 [this is based on looking at the credits on the episodes that aired in 2008 vs. the new episodes that have aired in 2009, plus her "resume" on IMDB shows her ending date with the show as of 2008]...Do you think a) She is laughing it up at how ridiculous these new episodes aired in 2009 have been b) Feels regret or remorse for her part in the exploitation of these children? Also the person who took over Jen's previously listed job duties is a guy. Do you think this is why there has been more emphasis on Kate being a you-know-what in these past episodes that have aired in 2009? Not that Kate really needed encouraging in that department anyway.

Deb said...

SAVETHEKIDS, your story made me cry. I am so sorry your mother treated you that way. Although I wasn't taped having tantrums, my mother also 'baited' me into having breakdowns.

She would call me in the room, pretend to make light banter and then slowly start picking me apart, from my looks to my grades to what people at church thought of me. I would end up crying and yelling and she would sit back, just smiling.

I remember being 7 or 8 and being a b**** or wh*** and several other words unfit for human ears, so when I would scream that I hated her or cry, she would run to the church elders and have them give me a good scolding because I was so "unruly" and "bad".

I see this aspect in Kate..she seems to use sarcasm and nastiness when her kids (and husband) are being sincere. She seems to want a negative reaction, and many times will continue in the same manner until she gets it.

Case in point, naming the dogs and telling them that they will NOT pick them out, or pick out the names. This totally didn't have to be done or discussed, but she seemed to really enjoy pushing that point across.

Kate takes pleasure in delivering bad news.

I totally agree with the other posters that there is a HUGE difference from how the show first was... a pudgier, brunette Kate who shyly and quietly spoke on camera about her babies. She was seen snuggling them, smiling, laughing.

Contrast that to a skinny, orange shrew who scowls through their interviews and has utter contempt for her husband.

It's a complete joke.

Added to the fact that these kids are completely sheltered from the real world... I agree that Mady and Cara need slumber parties, girls over, peers their own age. They NEVER have friends over.

What a sad life.

RuthinVA said...

Jen K said...
I would love to meet Amy Rohloff in person. She is always so appreciative of everything and treats everyone with respect. Polar opposite of what Kate is like.

2/27/2009 9:36 AM
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I agree. If you watch how she speaks to the person opening the door when they drive up to a place she always asks them how they are and says thank you. She carries on conversations with those she meets even the "worker bees." It is hard for Kate to choke out a thanks more often she says nothing.

Vom said...

I need help figuring this out.

Why am I SO repulsed by Jon and Kate but am in no way repulsed by the Duggars or the Roloffs?

I can not figure it out. I just am. They all have shows and no doubt get tons of freebies. So, why are J & K so annoying?

samcarter said...

This morning on my Yahoo home page there was a headline: "Puppy on the mend after being thrown out of moving car."

I swear my first thought was, "Holy crap, Kate snapped and threw one of the puppies out on the highway."

It's not that far of a leap, is it?

GrammyPie said...

Sadie.... When Kate mentioned the tups were fed 8,12,4,and 8. I don't think she meant only four feedings per day. That would mean 12 hours between feedings at some point. I think she meant they were fed every 4 hours. That seems lengthy , since many preemies eat such small amounts, they need to be fed every 2-3 hours. I know she needs her schedules, but I doubt they were fed that strictly when they were tiny. If so, those babies would have not thrived.

On another note, I too wish to thank our great mods for keeping "our" blog classy. Bloggers are allowed to disagree, but not in a hateful, nasty manner.

erinleigh said...

i would imagine any family that has a reality show would change. they become richer, have more opportunities. so the roloffs help for christmas or going on vacation is to be expected.
seeing jon and kate buy a larger home or vacation would also be normal. but its not. i ask myself why. why am i not as judgemental on the roloffs or duggars. the answer is simple. jon and kate suffer from an unwarranted sense of entitlement. they think they are deserving of all things becasue the had children. not becasue they are hard working good people. i will never begrude the duggars anything becasue the practice what they preach. the roloffs "keep it real" ect. jon and kate bug me because the are deceitful. they bug me because they act supierior. they go to churches speaking about raising a large family but in reality they do not raise this family. they have more help than any family i have heard of yet they dont tell the truth about the extent of the help. they they speak at churches of living a christain life but in reality they do not follow christain values. they are very materialist and ungiving. having a garage sale of donated items is not giving back to me. why dont they bring these items to the churches they speak at and offer them FREE to familys that need them. THAT would change my opinion and show christianity.
bottom line to a long post. walk the walk. if ur and ass, admit it. if u are kind, show it. if u claim to be a super mom - BE a super mom. raise ur kids! if u claim to be a stay at home mom. be one. dont travel 10 to 15 days a month and not show it on your show. i do not like hypocrits and that is my problem with the gosselins. if u say u have the kids best interests at heart, PROVE IT. get the strangers out of your home. can u imagine being a child and on the few days both parents are home you have to share them with produders, camera crew, lighting directors, ect.
imagine eating a bowl of cereal and having a camera man watching and filming u. bizarre. imagine having a converstaion with your parents and having a man 2 feet from you, watching and filming. imagine a producer giving you ideas on better ways to make this scence more marketable.

Crystal said...

And another thing...I hate how pro-Gosselins websites (and we all know which one I am referencing) are all like, "oh these pathetic people hate J&K because they are jealous". That statement gets so irritating. First of all, it is incorrect to say that I am “jealous” of J&K. The correct word is “annoyed” with J&K. I have sooo much respect for those who have worked hard for the things they have. Some people that my husband and I know remind me so much of J&K. Everything they have is a result of their parents buying it for them (and no they are not teenagers or in their early twenties…they are both in their thirties now). One of them has never had a solid job history. In August, he decided to take a break from working because he didn’t feel like working anymore and had the luxury to because they got a lot of money from the house they just sold (which I must add their parents had bought for them). The wife works for her parents company and I use the term “work” liberally. Unless you think hard work is surfing or shopping on the internet. Back to my point, I am not jealous of them. Normally, I would be like, “that is awesome, you are so lucky to have a life like that”. But with these two, they are always knocking the stuff we own or are constantly trying to compete with us, but what really gets me is the bragging. Kind of like the indirect (and sometimes direct) way J&K do to viewers of the show. Because unlike them I have worked hard for everything I have and I am very grateful for what I have. Even though, I find bragging annoying, it is even more annoying coming from people that never bought what they are bragging about. And just like J&K, nothing is ever good enough for them. Just like all of the houses J&K have owned and how the houses always get “too small”. No J&K the house hasn’t gotten too small it’s your ego that has gotten too big. [Which on a side note, if the show continues to remain popular five years from now I can just see her explaining why they had to buy Candy Spelling’s home because their old mansion was just too small]. I sometimes wonder if J&K have the slightest bit of guilt about the situation they have put themselves and their kids in. I mean, was it worth it to show your kids’ embarrassing moments to all of America just so you can buy that $1 million home. You know kind of like that guilty feeling you may get if you cheated on a test or a quiz, etc. and gotten an “A” on it (not that I would know what that is like ). That “A” will never feel as good as the other “A’s” you get when you study or work hard. Most importantly, at the end of the day, all you’ve got is your pride. After all of this is said and done, what do you think J&K will have?

PhillyHockeyMom said...

Maybe Jen Stocks moved on to bigger and better things with Figure 8. Who knows what freak show they will sell to TLC next! Maybe Figure 8 has a policy how long a crew can be with one show or maybe they just got bored. The noise level in the house must really give you a headache, and as much as the crew loved those kids, it might have been time to move on. I would love love love to hear the stories Jen and crew could tell about what REALLY goes on in that house. Would be interesting if Jon and Kate had them thrown off, but we might have heard something about that by now.

BTW, I was at Best Buy this afternoon and there smiling down on me was J&K season 3. I took all the copies and put them face backwards on the bottom shelf!

miss irene said...

I have a son that could be Mady's twin. He's only 3 mos younger than the twins and their behavior is almost identical. Unfortunately, my son DOES have some underlying psychological disorders that I do not believe Mady has.

My son has similar meltdowns and tantrums, kicks his brother/sister, moody, etc. HOWEVER, we know what his triggers are, how to avoid them, help him calm down.

The most important thing KON needs to do is LISTEN to their daughter!! These kids get so worked up that they have trouble putting their thoughts/feelings into cohesive words. You have to get down to their level, make them look you in the eye and let them say what they need to say. So many times we've seen Mady stumbling over herself trying to say something, being ignored, getting frustrated and melting down. Many times she has said that she just wants to be heard. They were so surprised at how much she told them on her special day last yr. Wow, listen to your daughter and she'll tell you something! Who'da thunk it???!

I don't see Cara's behavior being too much better than Mady's in all honesty. We've seen her melting down, having tantrums, fighting with Mady in the kitchen, etc. She tries to hide from the cameras though, so it's not shown as much. I also thinks that she, possibly unknowingly, baits Mady. My sister was only 18 mos younger and the golden child, we could do the same thing and it would be wrong for me but fine for her. They've pigeon holed all the kids, Mady is the bad twin and Cara is the good twin. Anything Mady does is 'just Mady' but Cara was just out of sorts that day.

Looking at it in the abstract, a human experiment if you will, it actually IS very interesting. And medically unethical. Just like you can't abandon a newborn and watch it grow up without human interaction to see what the results are. Instead we have 8 kids stuck in a bubble, in contrived situations and get to watch what happens. Kinda a little sci-fi'ish huh.

miss irene said...

Oh and I agree that the main issue with KON is their complete lack of appreciation for anything (everything) they receive. Amy and Ma Duggar are always very polite to everyone and express their appreciation for everything that is done for and given to them. Jon and Keight just automatically expect it and never act graciously at all.

I was watching a documentary the other day about ppl that had lived for 100 yrs or more and their memories of the century. One lady said she grew up very well to do and while she loved riding the fancy trains she disliked it a little because she was always nervous when dealing with the porters. Her mother told her that you can tell a true lady by the way she treats the staff, that you should always be exceptionally polite and gracious to those serving you. That's the difference between old money and new money. Kate has zero class and does not know how to behave like anything besides a redneck diva. Unfortunately she is not being a good role model for her children, as children learn manners by seeing them modeled by their elders.

Aeris said...

Crystal said:

I sometimes wonder if J&K have the slightest bit of guilt about the situation they have put themselves and their kids in. I mean, was it worth it to show your kids’ embarrassing moments to all of America just so you can buy that $1 million home. You know kind of like that guilty feeling you may get if you cheated on a test or a quiz, etc. and gotten an “A” on it (not that I would know what that is like ). That “A” will never feel as good as the other “A’s” you get when you study or work hard.

Sadly, I don't think she does. If she does indeed have a form of NPD (narcissistic personality disorder), in her mind, she is always right and everyone else is wrong. My mom has NPD, and though Kate is worse than she is, they are both very similar. Moreover, I truly think she believes the kids "owe" her for their charmed and healthy existence. She will use her 4 months of grueling bedrest (or however long) against them for the rest of their lives. Every hardship the family went through during Kate's pregnancy leading up until the first TV special has been blamed on the tups in some way. The martyr complex she has won't allow her to empathize with her kids. It will always be, "I traveled the whole country giving exhausting speeches every week to make money to raise you. All you kids had to do was be yourselves on camera 3 days a week." She will NEVER get it, that's how NPD without intervention works.

Jon may have a slight conscience, but he is too into the money and not working to do anything about it now. He's on the train for as long as it runs.

AnnieD said...

SAVETHEKIDS and Dee, I was so sad to read your experiences as a child. My only consolation is that you clearly rose above it to become caring and eloquent adults. Hopefully these kids will be as resilient.

tallblonde said...

Vom said...
I need help figuring this out.

Why am I SO repulsed by Jon and Kate but am in no way repulsed by the Duggars or the Roloffs?
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Speaking from a personal perspective, I can say that I feel the same way and I believe it's because I don't view the Roloffs or the Duggars as having their children as their only means of support - the Roloffs both work - the Duggars seem very self-sufficient & own commercial properties that they receive income from as well as I believe Mr Duggar also has a job.

With both the Roloffs & the Duggars, I think you also see the parents leading & teaching by example - with both there seems to be teaching a strong work ethic - with Jon & Kate it's all about product placement & freebies.

With both the Roloffs & the Duggars I believe you see true family interaction - instead of Jon & Kate's "have to" and "whining-bitching & moaning" from day to day.

With both the Roloffs & the Duggars, a true happiness & love of family comes across - not so much anymore for Jon & Kate.

There are so many other differences - but those are main ones for me.

June C said...

Insomniac, you made some very good points.

samcarter said...

For me, the reason why I am not repulsed by the Duggars and Roloffs but I AM repulsed by KON:

The Duggars set up their finances in such a way that they would be debt free and self-sufficient WITHOUT the show. They agreed to the specials and the show, as they put it, in order to encourage other couples who are open to having large families. There are many families who are devout Christians who believe in letting God determine their family size, which is not a popular opinion in America these days, and they hope their show will be a source of encouragement and support for those couples.

The Roloffs deal with REAL challenges due to their dwarfism, unlike Kate who bemoans her lack of a functioning dishwasher. Amy Roloff would say, "She's blessed to not need a stepstool to reach the top rack!" The Roloffs have a working farm that brings in income, they do not rely on freebies and product placement.

Also, while Amy Roloff does get exasperated sometimes with her kids and her husband (Matt is always off on another venture or idea), she at least LISTENS to them and talks to them and doesn't bark orders at them like an SS officer. Kate, are you listening? She talks to Matt when they have disagreements.

As for the Duggars, I have yet to see them being disrespectful towards each other the way Jane and Kate yap at each other and try to shrug off blame. I know many see Michelle Duggar as an overly submissive wife, but I see her as a loving, Christian wife who respects her husband's authority but is also treasured in the home as a mom and wife. Jim Bob (God, I hate that name, but it's his name I suppose) may be weird at times, but you can tell he loves his wife and his kids and he isn't trying to escape them by going skiing in Utah.

momof2teenboys said...

Interesting tidbit I caught on ET (I think, it was an entertainment show)...a quick interview with Gwyenth (sp?) Paltrow where she was asked why she wasn't at the Academy Awards, where she was supposed to be a presenter. Her answer? She couldn't go because her son was sick. Makes Kate leaving her sick children so Jon could get hair plugs look even more pathetic.

Old North State said...

I agree that Amy Roloff is very gracious and charming to visitors to her home or those she encounters on her speaking engagements. However, she doesn't extend the same courtesies or grace to her own husband.

evildoersunite said...

There was a Q&A in the "USA Weekend" or "Parade" magazine (that come with the Sunday paper). Someone wrote in asking precisely what you did. Kate answered that the way the show is filmed does not necessarily mean that extended family are not involved in their lives; it simply means they aren't around during filming, because filming takes place for such a paltry amount of time per week.

That would answer the question, according to Kate's version, as to why extended family are not present per the terms and conditions of FILMING!!!! However, there is NEVER so much as a mere 'shout out' to extended family ( we spent the day at cousins so and so celebrating his/her bday , aunt and uncle so and so went with us to....., we went to our friends so and so for Sunday dinner etc...) So they dont want to be FILMED, does that also mean J & K or the children are FORBIDDEN from relating/describing their experiences with friends and family by word of mouth via the 'love seat confessional'.

Concerned about the kids said...

Deb said: Kate takes pleasure in delivering bad news.

So true. Remember how practically giddy she and Jon were to tell Jenny that she had to share a room and bed with a child in NC? How sick is that? Not only for your employee, but that sharing space with your child is somehow "punishment" to someone. But, yeah, they really got off on that.

The other thing I was thinking about recently, was how Kate always says, "We wanted to know what one child was like." Isn't that a very strange reason? Not, "Our girls were so fun/precious/wonderful we wanted more," or, "We just felt it was time to add to our family." Rather, they wanted an abstract experience. And the child was going to be the way to fulfill this experience for them. Who has kids to see what the "experience of parenthood" is like? I feel like they started out with the view of children as commodities or objects....certainly as a means to an ends.

4girlsoneboy said...

"If anyone wants to research concerns about the program or Gary Ezzo, they can look up http://www.ezzo.info.com and read for themselves the concerns by the medical, Christian, and parenting education communities."


I have never heard of it but am wondering if its subscribes to the crackers and grapes form of lunch served on paper plates. I never thought their lunches looked very substantial.

Proud Mommy Of Four said...

I am a married mother of four and have been watching J & K since the initial documentaries. As a working mother of four children (2 biological children - one with ADD and one with Autism; 2 children adopted from China - one with repaired cleft lip, hip displasia, and sensory integration disfunction and one with spina bifida)I could often relate to Kate. Although with half the children, I have twice the complex disabilities and often could relate to the chaos of her household. I actually enjoyed watching the first season of episodes because I could sympathize with the extensive packing for trips and trying to provide organic meals to my family on a budget. However I have grown disgusted with how the show has turned out.
We are Christians and pride ourselves on a life of service to others. We willingly brought two special needs children into our home to raise as our own. I babysit free of charge for families who need evening childcare and can't afford to pay anyone and I organize parent support groups for fellow moms of Autistic children. In my wildest dreams I would never charge money for such things, because I do it to help others and I feel that it is the Christian thing to do. It boggles my mind when Kate goes into churches, charging them money and begging for more. If you have advice or something to offer your fellow man, and you claim to be a Christian, then you should be charitiable about it. I can buy the idea of having the organization help with air fare...that would get costly...but it's the rest that is so disturbing.
Why isn't Kate playing with her kids any more. All the organization in the world won't make up for the absense of love...you can't schedule in love. She is no idea how lucky she is...eight kids, all multiples and no disabilities...she should hold those kids close and thank her lucky stars that they are all healthy and normally developing. I love my children unconditionally, imperfections and all, but I would love Kate to spend 24 hours in my house and see what hand God could have dealt her. Trust me, your perfect schedule goes right out the window when your Autistic son starts to stim or has a meltdown. Your manicure takes a back seat when your Chinese daughter asks you why she didn't come out of your tummy. There isn't any time to go to the gym when your son needs to have occupational therapy several times a week.
Kate needs to do a lot less praying for more money and a lot more thanking God for the eight blessings that she already has! Accidentally finding out that the check you just wrote for the family dogs is going to charity doesn't constitute living a charitably and Christian life. Sorry for the very unChristian rant, but I am just so upset by this family souring the taste of churchgoers in the mouths of the world. If only there was something that could be done before the trainwreck actually occurs.

God Bless,
Chris

Sidney said...

This afternoon I watched the re-run of when Kate got her tummy tuck. The show just ran off the track after that.

Maybe it was the extra attention she got, along with the free tummy tuck and the loving kindness of the doctor and his wife to take her into their own home for her recovery.

Kate looked so young and so cute. She worked very hard to prepare meals for the family while she was gone.

When she came home and went into the nursery and those precious little babies greeted her so sweetly, it was darn cute!

Also, just before Kate went into the operating room, she and Jon hugged and he did say a prayer for her and she ended the prayer. It was very touching.

Why couldn't they have stayed that way? I knew that young mom adored her husband and babies in that "episode."

Fame and money came along and Kate changed so much. What a tragedy. It really is a tragedy.

Paintcraze said...

"I mean, was it worth it to show your kids’ embarrassing moments to all of America just so you can buy that $1 million home."

I have wondered what it's going to be like for those kids when they are in junior high or high school and the potty training episode is on reruns.

Miss Brown Betti said...

Arieslikekate said:

Can we look foward to a "scene" where Kate opens a closet door and screams "no more wire hangers"
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Maybe it will be the tups and let out a scream in protest and shout

"No more BIBS and SIPPY CUPS"

Just me said...

Yes and in the beginning of the show Kate's voice sounded like a little girl and now her voice had deepened.

I remember when she walked into the nursery and said "Hi you little piggly wiggly" and picked one of them up and kissed him.

Where did the sweetness go?

While I am on a roll...Who ever heard of wearing high heels to go and pick out puppies?

Willow said...

You know what, you guys? There is just SO much to talk about with these people, it has just kept me from writing much, as I never know where to start and end. I did want to mention one thing, though. On the puppy episode the other night, remember the twins holding the puppies at the end and talking to the camera, and just BEAMING. They said something like everyone at their school had a dog and "NOW WE DO TOO" or something to that effect. They were so excited. They seemed so happy to have a puppy like their friends. I really hope it works out for them and they get to keep them!

Love the blog. My thoughts always show up here - written by many others.!! I have the same concerns about J&K that you all do and I enjoy and respect the Roloffs and Duggars for the same reasons most of you do. I agree the difference is mainly the work ethic and the RESPECT ethic. I mean, look at the physical challenges Matt had as a child and Amy had 4 kids plus the farm and jobs and physical challenges. But whine like J&K -- I doubt she even thought of it. I think it is just sad that J&K do not realize how lucky they are and IT SHOWS. Enuff for now.

momof3kidsand3dogs said...

I'm sorry. Forgive me for saying this, but I love the Duggars. I see a happy, loving, well-adjusted family. I don't think they are being exlpoited at all. I believe the children you see being filmed are the ones that want to be on camera. Would I have wanted to have 18 chilren? No. But, Jim Bob and Michell sure make it look easy and very enjoyable. They work to support their family.
And, not only have we not been privy to the kids in their most embarresing moments, even Michelle is covered with sheet when she went to her ultrasound. This family has a lot of class.

Laurann said...

In the very first hour long episode, Jon and Kate were sitting on the couch and Jon was saying how he preferred her blond. He said, "Sorry, it's true". Then he said, "but her body is great" or something to that effect ( he was being facetious because she still had her butt in the front ). Kate gasped and said, "Oh Jon, your lying has come back".

Um...Kate...I don't think it ever left.

Anyhoo....made me wonder when she first said that if he really did have a problem before with lying before. Just the way she said it.

But you are definitely right. She sure has morphed into a completely different diva...I mean person.

triplemama said...

I disagree about how Amy Roloff treats her husband. You can tell that she has a lot of love for him but feels she needs to reel him in often. There is never palpable hate like there is with Kate. The Roloffs have a lot of love and respect and I love the way Amy interacts with her kids - you can tell she truly likes them and wants to hear what they have to say. I wish I could say the same for Kate. Maybe it's different when the cameras aren't there but the children definitely take a back seat to the cameras where Kate is concerned. A LOT of what she says is for the camera's sake. Also she is NEVER seen getting down to the child's level (or a puppy for that matter).
As the mother of two children with physical disabilities, I think having the Roloffs open their home to the world is a gift. I understand that not everyone feels the same way but I have my boys watch Matt and I say "look at him - everything is harder for him too but he doesn't let anything stop him." Matt Roloff is living the American dream - a wife and family - and he has been long before they had the big house and money - and here's the thing - I think Matt knows and appreciates it. He truly is an inspiration to anyone with a disability. So is Amy and Zach - I don't mean to leave them out.

Also I wanted to address Kate wanting to know what one baby is like - When you have multiples, the baby years are so crazy that I think everyone would like to do it again at a slower pace (like only having one) and enjoy it. I don't think that's an odd thing to say.

Barbbe said...

I think when you compare the Roloffs, Duggars, vs. Gosselins it is maturity on how to handle all the reality hype. The Roloffs and Duggars were not offered hair transplants, tummy tucks. I think J&K changed when Kate got her tummy tuck and Jon got his hair transplant. Kate also wanted her breasts done but thank God the Dr. said all she needed was a fitted bra. You could practicaly see the disappoointment in Kate's face. J&K are in their early 30's and are/were not mature enough to endure the "Celebrity" status. The Roloffs are in their early 40's and are mature enough to endure the pressures of reality T.V. and are able to take the "high road". My only hope is that Jon & kate will mature enough to say Oh My God what the heck did we do to our kids.

2badsosad said...

"Why couldn't they have stayed that way?"

In the grand scheme of things, it doesnt matter if J & K 'stayed that way' or not, the CHILDREN were, are, and always have been the 'money makers'.

MayDay said...

Laurann
I also commented about the "lying coming back" - I think last week. I was watching when they were talking about the measurements of Elizabethown house, as they were preparing to move in. When Jon exaggerated on the measurements, Kate made a comment about the lying coming back. Makes us all wonder if he had a lying problem way back in the day.

Exhausted said...

I was thinking about this today: isn't it interesting that J&K have a PR (as in Public Relations) crew who, no doubt, scours the internet to diminish as many negative things about them as possible (e.g. removing their address, removing negative comments on the Wiki sites, and probably adding comments to articles like Jessica's or blogs like this). Yet, they employ no one to scour the internet to take down anything negative or inappropriate about their children. So a post that asks how much money they make is prohibited, but a site that takes pride in hating Mady is permissible.

I got angry when one of my family members put my children's picture on her Facebook page. I cannot imagine knowing that there are Youtube montages and sites dedicated to my children, let alone that there are sites being hateful toward them. Jon and Kate are simply grotesque--as parents and people.

BarbBe said...

I am also really concerned with the upcoming media/public relations blitz that will be hitting Kate and her kids with regard to the new "Little Faces" book and her cookbook. It is apparent in the 2008 media blitz that these children do not want to go on these junkets to every frickin talk show. Jon and Kate need to grow up and see that these kids are tired of the cameras. I have watched this family from the beginning and see that these innocent children are not happy with being in front of cameras anymore. Jon and Kate should put their children first vs. their greed for publicity and money. Their children are unhappy and no amount of money you make should allow parents to not take the good of the children's feeling in account. Please wise up J&K.

Anonymomma said...

ruthy said...
Anonymomma said...
Does anyone know, or can anyone find out, when the Park City Utah episodes (Gosselins Go Skiing) were filmed? I know they aired originally in March 08, but I was wondering when they might have actually been filmed. Is there a way to find out?

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I think it was in January 2008. I live in Utah. My cousin was one of the men that took them by sleigh ride to the restaurant (he rang the bell at the end). If it is really important I can call him and ask.
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If you could that would be great. I am just trying to confirm something in regards to why Beth is no longer in touch with the Gosselins. Something was brought to my attention, and I think the person may have Beth confused with Jen Stocks. So I have to be sure. I lurked around the net and couldn't find out for sure when they filmed those episodes. ANy info would be really appreciated!

Anonymomma said...

The thing with the feeding te tups as babies, every four hours? That isn't that uncommon. It depends on the schedule they were on in the NICU when they were released. My twins were 32 weekers, and came home on every 2 hour feedings (but also because of meds being given) and I also have a daughter who was a 34 weeker, and she was on a every 3 hour schedule at discharge. It all depends on the baby and the way thy are thriving. Babies who showed a slower weight gain in the NICU will be fed more frequently. So does a baby's discharge weight. If a baby is clearly thriving, some hospitals will release a preemie at say four pounds, compared to a baby with more complications who may have to stay until they reach 5 or even 7 pounds.

I don't know Hershey's NICU policy, but where by children stayed there were certain milestones they needed to reach before going home. One was the ability to suck and swallow consistantly without obstructing their airway, which led to their ability to thrive. One was weight (there was actually a 4 pound minimum and the hospital wouldnt allow any baby under that weight to go home). But the main was feedings. Not only the abilty to eat and thrive but to also digest food without complications.

I don't think the four hour schedule was too far apart. It might have helped the sextuplets be hungrier and eat better when it was time to feed.

Man I hate agreeing with Kate lol.

Caden Canyon said...

I'm GLAD there's no "Gosselins Debate Blog", because if there was, it would be *just* as TOXIC as the PhillyMag comment section is!

About the pro-Gosselins people (I personally call them mindless): They are SUPPORTERS, but _still_ have _yet_ to DEFEND them! They attack those who attack KON. Not _one_ iota of: "Well, you say Kate's a bad mother because of [x], but she's a good mother because of [y]."

Tell us HOW they supposedly excel as parents! Attacking those who dare ask questions without providing disputable proof IS being a sheeple!

Harriet said...

I can't remember or maybe I never knew what the tups weighed as they came home, but having brought a 4 1/2 pounder home from the hospital I can't imagine enforcing a four hour schedule on an infant that small. None of my kids were on a strict schedule the first week or two home from the hospital. No I know I didn't have six, but Kate didn't take all six home at the same time either. I'm hoping the strict schedule was after they'd been allowed some adjustment time or there was surely a lot of screaming going on by hungry babies.

Harriett said...

At our NICU preemies are fed on demand, usually every 2 hours.

machinegunsmom said...

TestTEst said...
Here's another group with a brood to jump on the bandwagon:

http://growingyourbaby.com/2008/06/18/masche-sextuplets-star-in-omg-sextuplets/
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I watched an interview that the Masches did a few months ago and she came across as very Kate-like and it bothered me quite a bit. They also used the "God provided the freebies" line instead of addressing all of the volunteers and people giving out of the kindness of their hearts.

Also, has anyone seen K-Mart's most recent commercials? "HELL-OOOOO!?" Is Kate writing the scripts, too?

machinegunsmom said...

Sidney said...
This afternoon I watched the re-run of when Kate got her tummy tuck. The show just ran off the track after that.
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I watched that today, too, and I noticed that she was shown going to each of the sextuplets' beds and spending at least a full minute loving them up and showing them special attention...even Joel and Alexis. I don't even think they focused on Hannah that much. Made me wonder if she does that every time she comes home from jetsetting around the country to talk about how "poor" they are while displaying how "fabulous" she has become. Does she still specially greet each and every one of her children and tell them how hard it was for her to be away from them? Probably not...but if she does, they should show that instead of her howling about COOO-pons.

beachluvin said...

Miss Brown Betti said...
Arieslikekate said:

Can we look foward to a "scene" where Kate opens a closet door and screams "no more wire hangers"
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Maybe it will be the tups and let out a scream in protest and shout

"No more BIBS and SIPPY CUPS"
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Well, actually they're doing a whole episode on doing away with bibs and sippy cups sort of like how they did with giving cousin Benny their "binkies".
I can just see it now, Kate on the couch saying how slow the boys were compared to the girls as far as learning how to drink out of a normal cup. "The girls were so much more advanced, they learned so quickly but we decided we are going to wait a year to teach the boys. I mean I can only handle 3 at a time. The bibs are just going to have to wait until first grade".

Another episode: Jon and Kate take the kids on another trip to St Judes to hand deliver and donate the kids sippy cups and bibs to the children of St Judes. The kids are happy to finally give them up but can Jon and Kate handle the change? Tune in to find out.

Emmy's Mama said...

I've been quietly reading this website for some time now and am always interested to read the new posts and comments on recent posts.

In the beginning, I was very much a fan of the show. I had recently had my first child and who better to watch for tips and to understand I'm not the only one going through what motherhood puts you through, then a woman who appears to have it together, the best she can, with 8 small children? I saw her struggle with 6 sick kids at once..if she could do it, I most certainly could get through 3 or 4 days of throwing up, earaches, fevers, what have you with just one kid...right?

In the early episodes we see a VERY different couple. A couple who were still in love with each other and were willing to fight to keep what sanity they had, yet still raise their kids to be good people. A normal mother who clipped coupons to stretch a buck, changed diapers, calmed sick children. Jon and Kate had playful banter that I have with my husband.

I'm not quite sure where this all changed, but I now am sickened by what I see. A "mother" who shuts the light off on a child who is sitting on a potty and tells him not to get up unti he puts pee in there, who berates her husband in front of the children, who leaves her small babies for however many weeks to recover from free plastic surgery, who belittles the kids in interviews for not being up to her standards. A woman who calls herself a stay at home mother who is never home.

And let's not forgive and forget Jon in all of this. I did not think TOO poorly of him until the recent episode of him taking the kids (who, very clearly, did not all want to partake in this activity) to walk in the woods. The look on Alexis (?) face when he grabbed that stick out of her hands and snapped it in half in front of her, made me physically ill. Very childish behaviour for a father of 8, wouldn't you say? There are many better ways to deal with what she was doing then tearing a stick away from her and breaking it. The look on her face, quite frankly, scared the hell out of me. If he can get that mad over a stick in the woods...on camera, what is he doing when there are no cameras around? I am not, in anyway, accusing these people of abusing those babies, but did you see the way she flinched? I would die, if my daughter ever flinched that way.

In the beginning, we saw parents who interacted with their kids, who appeared to genuinely love and appreciate them for who they were. Unfortunately with all of the free surgeries, hair plugs, dental whitening, trips, clothes and such we've seen that love disappear as we clearly begin to see the reason they love those kids. Not for who these little beings are, but what they are getting at their expense.

I realize I am in no way the first one to reiterate these points, but I am very glad to see someone write a very honest article about these people. I will no longer be watching the show. And so...I accomplished what I set out to do when I started watching this show. I wear crappy clothes most of the time even though my husband and I both have careers. I lay in bed with my daughter when she is ill and have been puked on so many times I can't remember. I do not put her on the laundry room floor to be sick by herself. I pay attention and praise even the smallest of accomplishments she has made in her nearly 4 years with us. I do not bicker in front of my child with my husband, but show her that we are in love and that's the reason she is here. My teeth are a normal shade, I proudly have a little "mommy" belly that I feel no need to get fixed...true I did not have 6 babies at once, but don't we all know the "after effects" of pregnancy? I do not spend money on fake tans for myself, rather on clothes, food and trips for our family. My husband and I make a good living at what we do, and we are PROUD that we have purchased a home on our own. Not at the expense of our child.

So thank you and goodbye, Kate Gosselin. You helped me through the tough times and taught me how to be a good mom. I did everything exactly the opposite that you did. Emma is nearly 4, fully potty-trained, does not use a sippy or a bib and hasn't for about 2 years now. We even have a new bundle on the way and I am certain my 2 kids will receive more love from their parents than your 8 ever will. And that is what is truly unfortunate.

jayley said...

"Nowadays the world is becoming increasingly materialistic, and mankind is reaching toward the very zenith of external progress, driven by an insatiable desire for power and vast possessions. Yet by this vain striving for perfection in a world where everything is relative, they wander even further away from inward peace and happiness of the mind."--Dalai Lama

ThreeFarmers said...

Kate Gosselin: Brighter than the light of a thousand Oompa Loompas.

JackfromNY said...

machinegunsmom said...

Sidney said...
This afternoon I watched the re-run of when Kate got her tummy tuck. The show just ran off the track after that.
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I watched that today, too, and I noticed that she was shown going to each of the sextuplets' beds and spending at least a full minute loving them up and showing them special attention...even Joel and Alexis. I don't even think they focused on Hannah that much. Made me wonder if she does that every time she comes home from jetsetting around the country to talk about how "poor" they are while displaying how "fabulous" she has become. Does she still specially greet each and every one of her children and tell them how hard it was for her to be away from them? Probably not...but if she does, they should show that instead of her howling about COOO-pons.

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But she went to Hannah's crib first, even though some of the other kids were closer to the door. She went straight to Hannah first.

Naseem said...

I have been thinking a lot about the show, this site and how people think of Kate.

I understand that what Jon and Kate are doing to their kids is wrong because even kids need privacy. Yet, when we see Kate behave the way she does on the show...Can we really blame her? She has to deal with 8 kids all the time. It's only now that she gets to go on these business trips and gets a chance to have some alone time. I don't like Kate for a bunch of reasons but if I had 8 kids I would go insane!

Anonymomma said...

I proudly have a little "mommy" belly that I feel no need to get fixed...true I did not have 6 babies at once, but don't we all know the "after effects" of pregnancy?

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YES! I've had four pregnancies, one being a set of twins. I can honestly say, I kinda like my mom belly. I don't have any tattoos, so my stretch marks and c-section scars are what I call "mother nature's tattoos". I may not be rail thin and treadmill obsessed, but I still wear a bikini, to the beach. I don't care who doesn't like it. I like it just fine!

My hubby never ever complained about my body (lol except when I was out to there with the twins and they'd be squirming around in there and he'd turn a little green haha). But if he did, well lol, he'd have one less person in his life to complain about. I am who I am. I wouldn't want a doctor taking away my 'war wounds' for the sake of well, anything.

Tami said...

Kate has mentioned several times how critical a strict schedule is to her parenting practices. She told Dr. Phil that when the tups came home from the hospital that she fed them at 8, 12, 4, and 8. Four times per day for premature infants!!! It is unfathomable to me that strict adherence to that schedule provided enough food for growing babies!
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That seems pretty much criminal. My 7 week old eats anywhere from every hour to maybe up to 3.5 if he's sleeping. I feed him when he is hungry. Period. She has also said she let her kids cry it out. That's because they were hungry and she refused to feed them because it didn't suit her. This evolved into forced 3 hour naps so she could have me time. She should have never become a mom. To do this to a preemie is unreal.

Tami said...

It is not my point to bash this program, but to point out that Kate's strategy appears to be similar. If anyone wants to research concerns about the program or Gary Ezzo, they can look up http://www.ezzo.info.com and read for themselves the concerns by the medical, Christian, and parenting education communities.
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Does she hit them with wooden spoons? I have heard that's one of his pieces of advice starting with training them in the highchair..oh, and crying it out. Yuck.

Tami said...

I proudly have a little "mommy" belly that I feel no need to get fixed...true I did not have 6 babies at once, but don't we all know the "after effects" of pregnancy?

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YES! I've had four pregnancies, one being a set of twins. I can honestly say, I kinda like my mom belly. I don't have any tattoos, so my stretch marks and c-section scars are what I call "mother nature's tattoos". I may not be rail thin and treadmill obsessed, but I still wear a bikini, to the beach. I don't care who doesn't like it. I like it just fine!
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We were at a banquet tonight. My husband's commander's wife was there. The woman has 8 kids, and they were single pregnancies, not just two like Kate's. She actually is rail thing and beautiful. She doesn't look like she could be the mother of a 17 year old either. Thing is, she is a super nice person. Twice I ran into her in the bathroom and she was talking my ear off about how she loved my daughter's shirt, etc. She is really interested in other people, unlike Kate. Kate can spend a million dollars (and incidentally, this woman is naturally pretty, not fake like KON) but she is still ugly as sin on the inside. It is useless. And when all this fake stuff she is doing to her looks eventually falls apart, she will be left with nothing.

Trashconian said...

emma said...
Fine, maybe family members aren't close to them but they have no friends either! What is that about?

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I remember one episode (can't name it off the top of my head) in which HRHiney bitched long and loud about the twins' classmates calling them at home. What a heinous bitch, she doesn't want the kids to have friends outside the home? Or is this all about controlling who has access to the Konpound while the show's on the air?

Those poor kids, especially the twins. If they keep treating them like understudies in a low-rent summer stage production, I can see them rebelling big time. Never mind matching outfits, by the time the're 15 they'll come home with piercings and tats and getting picked up by 22-year-old dirt bags in jacked-up street racers.

Trashconian said...

Sidney said...
This afternoon I watched the re-run of when Kate got her tummy tuck. The show just ran off the track after that.
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I think the week she spent recovering with the plastic surgeon's wife was her first taste of the good life. I believe Kate was always a narcissistic cow, but she went off the rails after that.

Lauren said...

Didn't she just let them sit in their cribs bawling if they didn't finish their naps?

Sick. Hate to say it, but any production manager or camera guy has done a better job at looking after the 'tups.

Diane said...

I remember when she walked into the nursery and said "Hi you little piggly wiggly" and picked one of them up and kissed him.

Where did the sweetness go?


The sweetness left when the kids started growing up and being able to talk. I think Kate just loves babies (hence the reason why the tups are still in bibs and sippy cups). Once kids can talk and develop a mind of their own and can react to her awfulness, they aren't so wonderful anymore to her. Why do you think she had to have "another" baby when the twins were 4? Mady and Cara were getting too old or grown-up for her. And now puppies when the tups are 4.5. She just has to keep replacing that void in her where she needs this unconditional silent (if you will) love--something or someone that needs her and can never tell her she is wrong or mean. All of her kids are now old enough to do that and she hates it.

Jen K said...

I also think it is very telling that in the magazine comments section there isn't a whole lot of defense of the G's and their actions. Some people seem to be trying but it's just as speculative as what they accuse some of us as being. But the saddest thing is the way the fans talk to non-fans. If I were Jon and Kate I would be so embarrassed to have these people vouching for me.

Granted, I know there are fans out there who could care less what anyone thinks. That is perfectly reasonable. When I like a show or an actor or some other celebrity, it never occurs to me to track down people who don't and berate them. It's a waste of time. Plus, other people not liking something I do does not affect my ability to enjoy it any less. It's just the strangest thing, what some of these people are doing.

As a parent, I would be terribly frightened of some of the "Fans" because they take this a little too personally as though they know the G's or have some sort of relationship with them (or would want one). Statistically, look at most cases of violence against "celebrities" and you will see it is usually done by people who claim to "love" the celebrity or consider themselves huge fans.

If anything, people like us are the mildest threat to them because we seriously just want them to go away and live anonymously! :) If they went back to their previous lives and let the kids have a normal life again, 98% of the people who frequent this site and others would be like, "Good riddance...stay that way!"

The "fans" on the other hand (the nutty ones, not the casual ones) are the ones who wouldn't be able to handle it. That's who the Gosselins have to fear the most, and it's evident at all of the signings and appearances with the huge show of security.

I really fear for those kids, and also the parents, not because of people who don't like them but because of people who LOVE them. As a parent, I would pull the plug on all of this for the safety of my family first and foremost. Because if the comments on that site among others is indicative of the type of person who LOVES the G's, that's a very scary proposition.

roryz said...

What began as a cute show about a family coping with young mulitples has turned int oa cringe-worthy infomercial. We see Jon and Kate hawking all kinds of products and trips. I truly believe that the children have suffered from the lack of privacy. Yes, they are scheduled until they are dragged across the country for a shoot. Who thinks that these kids will even remember Hawaii or Utah or the umpteenth time they were dragged to the zoo? Of course, they will have the program tapes to look back. So Collin can once again review his painful constipation (and his mother's callousness toward his discomfort) and Mady can recall her unhappy early years, and Joel can remember the utter neglect he suffered when he was sick.
If anyone does not beleive that these kids are suffering, we only need look at the past programs--does anyone remember the tup (I think it was Alexis) who said "I'm nervous" and her mother saying it was something she just picked up and kept saying?
Sad.

thecloserfan said...

Kate, Jon, Cara, Mady and the sextuplets all need individual counseling as well as family counseling. That's the only way they will be able to start to resolve their many problems.

The debacle known as J&K+8 needs to stop now...not after the next season.

I'm not a fan of the Duggars but I do like Amy and Matt Rolloff. The family is genuine, the kids have friends over all of the time, Matt's parents are frequently at the farm as well. I think Amy is more of a B-personality (laid back and calm) while Matt is a A-personality (wants everything done his way). Amy feels she needs to step in once in a while because she feels Matt has some unrealistic goals for the kids.

Just a few thoughts...

timetogokon said...

In the beginning, we saw parents who interacted with their kids, who appeared to genuinely love and appreciate them for who they were.

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To all that post how "nice" Jane and (esp) Keight were in the first eisodes : they were "niceER" and thus easier to watch, but after reading all the articles/comments from them and also the people in their neighborhood who knew them/helped them, it's quite obvious they have ALWAYS been rather greedy and deceitful. They were just less so when they didn't have such big heads and senses of self worth.

MayDay said...

I never stick up for Kate but bashing her on the feeding schedule is just not right. I am sure she ( or the help)fed the babies more than 4x's a day. She was saying she feed them 8,12,4,8; I am sure she did not finish saying the rest of the times because she assumed we knew she meant around the clock. I have heard her say on the show that they had people come in and out all the time, and before she was went to bed the 11:00 shift was coming in. Also, if she was only feeding them 4X's a day, don't you think that the nurses that she had would of realized they babies were not getting enough, and change it since they are accountable for the care they are giving. I think Kate and the help did right by theses babies feeding them. I had two preemies, I know after a while they could of gone 3-4 hours without a feed.

aimee said...

To the mothers out there who are sporting proud, "I'm a mama" bellies...GOOD ON YA!

It makes me proud to be a woman when I see or hear of women living in their bodies with evidence of what those bodies have been through.

I'm guessing you're teaching your children that you're beautiful even if you're not perfect or living up to society's standards.

THAT'S a mama I can look up to :)

ThreeFarmers said...

Can we really blame her? She has to deal with 8 kids all the time.

Yup. I can. I blame her.

The quote above is symptomatic of much of what is wrong in our country. Too many people try to deflect blame for their own poor behavior by pointing their finger at someone else or their situation in an effort to justify their choices.

This sort of deflection is the difference between people who are cool, calm, and effective leaders and those who are dramatic and tend to over react when things don't go their way.

You, me, Kate Gosselin. We all choose our actions and reactions and we can either take the high road or the low one.

Kate Gosselin most definitely travels the low road. Odd for someone who claims to have everything so organize and under control.

I blame Kate Gosselin because she so often chooses to behave in an intolerable way.

quintsmom said...

Can we really blame her? She has to deal with 8 kids all the time.

Absolutely. I have ten children and they are not ill-behaved nor do we go around begging for things or expecting freebies. I don't act like a shrew or scream at my husband or children. I don't leave my kids when they're sick or take off all the time on book signings and other business trips. Every time I catch a minute to look in here and see comments like that, I want to rip my hair out. So she went out and got 8 kids? So she should buckle down and take care of them. Kate has run through more helpers in her kids' short lives than mine will ever see by the time they all leave home.

Anonymomma said...

Does she hit them with wooden spoons? I have heard that's one of his pieces of advice starting with training them in the highchair..oh, and crying it out. Yuck.

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OMGod. Seriously. I would dare the person peaching it to try and tell me to hit my kid, with anything. If she is into this guy and his psuedo parenting she is even more unstable than well, lol, it is Kate we're talking about.
I wholeheartedly do not believe in the 'let them cry it out' nonsense either. Even thirteen years ago when my first son was born. I think it scares them, to be left alone and crying.

About that rerun the showed yesterday, the one where it's them in the beginning in Wyomissing, when Kate was explaining the nap routine I thought it was odd that first she stutter stepped in the middle of her explaination about how the tups would go for a nap from 12:30 pm to 4:00pm. She even knew that was too long. I have a baby who is now the age the tups were then, and she naps at best an hour and twenty minutes at a time. Never 3.5 hours. Maybe it depends on the kid, but I found it very strange, her schtick about a naptime that long.

Also, the twins were 4 then, and no mention of them napping? Isn't she still making the tups nap occassionally? I personally think she slipped up in a lot of what she was trying to sell in those first two specials, because I think that's when she truly kicked all the help out, when the cameras came in. She couldn't let the world see that she wasn't doing it all on her own.

Umm's the word said...

Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but Kon were on The Soup again...too funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATr2I2VgSY

Anonymomma said...

And that's another thing! LOL (it's Saturday and I have more time to post : )

About the whole hand-me-down thing with Kate. That is stupidity (and greed obviously). We had baby number five thirteen months ago. Being as all of my previous children were preemies I anticiapted this, so when I went shopping I bought all preemie clothing. Number Five went three days past her due date, and came out a very healthy 7lbs 3.5oz. No sooner did I say "now what I am going to do?" did a relative and a close friend drop off the first of many, many boxes of baby clothes. Hand me downs from their daughters. In thirteen months, I have not had to purchase a single stitch of clothing, which saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars. In fact, there was so much given to me that on holidays, if the baby gets dirty, I have two, three, or even four different, 'themed' dresses to change her into. And everytime I reorganize her dresser and pack away what she grew out of, off it goes to the next mom we know who's having a baby.

Two points. One, I don't know how I would have ever afforded the extent of clothing given to me if I had to buy it in this economy now. It helped soooo much. And two, people don't offer hand-me-downs because they think less of that person's kids. Exactly the opposite. Some of the items I received held a little sentiment in them, like my friend telling me that one outfit in particular she used as her daughter's 'doctor's appointment outfit' because it was comfy and easy to change her in and out of. Every mother that I know actually has offered me something, whether I needed it or not, for my singleton baby. Mothers do this to help and encourage each other. It had to be a very hard slap in the face to everyone around Kate who 'didn't know how to help them' when the babies were born.

Confused said...

Maybe this comment should be here.

The main focus should be on the rights of all children in reality shows not just the Gosselins. The Duggar children and the Roloff children are still just that, children, and their rights need to be protected.

Write, call, and email your congressmen and senators. That is the only way to protect these children. The shows going off the air will not protect these children or any future children.

Tigerfan said...

"Can we really blame her? She has to deal with 8 kids all the time."

Kate doesnt 'deal' with anything, including her 8 children. Luxery resort vacations, scheduled spa days, delegating her parental responsibilities to paid staff, a 'full time' stay at home husband, first class air fare/transportation. IMO, Kate affords herself ample time to 're group' and 'de stress' from dealing with her 8 children.

Ariel said...

I would have been just as angry as Kate when she found out the kids were out of their cribs. First of all, they were what 2? 3? They needed a nap, or else they fall asleep at the dinner table. Second, If they got out of their cribs who knows what trouble they could have goten into! I would have put them back in their crib too.

trish said...

How about when Kate used to wear like sweatpants to the pupkin patch and said she never cared about clothes. Nowadays she looks ridiclious!!!

Dani said...

I agree with Jen K about the fans of the Gosselins. From what little I've seen of the extreme fans (I don't go on the "other" blog, but I have come across some of them on Amazon and IMBD), a lot of them are quite scary and mean. I know that isn't true of all of them, but the ones who care SO much about people agreeing on their POV re: Jon and Kate are weird.

Maria said...

Anonymous Old North State said...

Emma said: Does anyone remember the Roloff's Christmas special?
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I remember how they hired out all their Christmas decorating and how over the top it was. I used to enjoy the Roloffs but they now seem to be taking a page out of J & K's book with their extravagant trips and McMansion. Just not much of a fan now.
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I agree with you.

GWOPsupporter said...

Umm's the word said...
Don't know if anyone posted this yet, but Kon were on The Soup again...too funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATr2I2VgSY

OMG I cant stop laughing.
I have not watched a single episode from last 3 months and I am so proud of myself for this. btw kate looks so ugly with her botoxed face and the tups look so old. just wondering isnt there any rule of wearing a bib when you are drawing?

Tangerine Tanya said...

Ariel I understand your point as far as naps are concerned IF the tups had just been put down for a nap and wanted to get up and wonder. However in this case the tups had already woken up when they came downstairs. It was Kate's rule that they stay in their cribs until she went up and got them regardless if they had already had a 2-3 hour nap.

Just me said...

Trish you are right as far as Kate's new wardrobe. There is a time and place for dressing up and a time and a place to dress casual. When Jon and Kate took the twins to American Girls Kate wore plain blue jeans and a pink cotton buttom down blouse with flats. No the new Kate wears high heels to pick out puppies.

Ariel when the kids were sent back to their cribs it was after the had already taken their naps. They wernt allowed to get up unless Kate said so.

TPoV said...

Funny Jon and Kate plus 8 clip from the soup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrR9iHH9psQ&feature=related

CJP said...

I read this blog often but have never commented...so here goes! About a year ago the weather was nice. My husband and I were in the driveway cleaning out the car and the kids were riding my daughter's battery powered car in front of the house. I looked over to check on them and saw a blue van stopped where the kids were playing. I ran to them as the van was pulling away. I asked the kids who they were and what they said to them. My daughter said it was two men and that they took their picture!!! I turned around but was too late in getting the tag number. Of course I warned the neighbors, filed a police report and talked to the principal (we live a mile from the elementary school). Luckily a crisis was averted, and I probably over reacted, but to this day I cannot stomach the fact that strangers took pics of my kids and that some sicko could be looking at it any given moment. How can these parents (J&K) sleep at night knowing that there are sick people in this world and that they force feed them their kids?

I too was a J&K fan but after hearing about her new "book" (not Multiple Blessings) I felt uneasy. I am sure that 99% of the people that will buy this book for the pics are just wanting to look at their sweet, beautiful faces and share in their happy moments but I can't get over the 1% that may be looking at it for disturbing reasons.

Just my 2 cents....

fadingnebula said...

Kate's pastor at her former church once said of the Gosselins "too many material goods can interfere with religious faith, but he doesn’t expect that to happen with the Gosselins."I don't hate Jon and Kate. I don't blame them for signing on to the show in the beginning, because I think they started out just wanting to provide for their kids. However, I do think it's just gotten out of control, grown bigger than they could ever have expected, and they've gotten sucked into the aura of fame and money, and are starting to forget what's important. Love, family, togetherness. That's what matters.That's what's still there when the money's all gone and no one remembers who you are. After Kate got home from her tummy tuck, she acted so happy to see her little babies. Now she seems to see them as a chore. I mean, when I heard her snap "You're not welcome" in the last episode, I gasped. I couldn't imagine a mother saying that to her children. My mother certainly never would have.

Its A Good Thing said...

CJP: Exactly. What mother sells a scrapbook (in essence that is what it is) of their children? Its just sick and wrong IMO. Also I think her new "book" is the definition of exploitation.

I love my son! said...

My wish for Kate is simple. I would like for her to forget to turn her microphone off while going to bathroom, so that every little sound is captured for the world to hear. I know that they most likely have a clause in their contracts to prevent 'little slips' like this, but I think it would teach Kate a lesson. I know this is gross to think about, but maybe after having it played on YouTube repeatedly she just might get the message. Instead of '8 Little Faces' we could have 'Kate Makes A Stinky'. I know I'm sick and demented...but I'm honest. I just want her to get a taste of true embarrassment.

4thekids said...

Anyone who regularly watches TLC notice the difference in commercial promotion for J&K this week? Normally we see the "it's a beautiful life" commercial a sickening amount of times and also commercials saying what it is going to be about and showing some clips.

Now it is a commercial about the Roloffs, followed by a "and an all new Jon and Kate plus 8." That's it. No vids, no music, no slow mo running down the hill. On the other hand, I've seen the 18 kids and counting commercial more times than I can count.

Hint of a possible demise? Let's hope so!

Anonymomma said...

CJP, my heart goes out to you. Thankfully your children weren't harmed, and I do understand how that makes you feel, it would drive me up a wall. How is it that KON can overlook the obvious in so many situations concerning the safety of the kids? And even if it isn't some pervert listed under Megan's law who buys it, what about the over zealous fan who does, and studies the image of their 'favorite Gosselin', in order to follow them to their next public speaking engagement or recognize them at a local amusement park? I don't think either one of those so called parents gets it, why clebrities shield their children as much as possible from the public. I think it's one thing to sell a newborns first photos (not that it isnt exploitation either, but I can understand it to the point of trying to keep hordes of fans and papparazzi away), but to sell continuously updated pics of your kids? To put them on TV so people who view them 3x's a week end up with a distorted sense of 'oh but they are like family to me', it's too risky.

Someone on here comented about a relative putting their child's pic on their Facebook. Years ago, I had an incident with a relative (a teen at the time) who created a hotmail acount in my 3 year old sons name. She was caught when she emailed another relative from it, almost like a newsletter, informing them of my son's day to day updates. I emailed hotmail and explained the situation (because she refused to take it down). I begged them to remove it. They told me I needed to send both my son's and my birth certificate to them to verify I was his mother in order to close the account. But I ended up not needing to. Let's just say I have another relative who is quite good at computer related stuff, you can call him an IT analyst lol. He hacked the account for me and shut it down.

Jon and Keight really have no clue what they are setting themselves up for.

I think if congress ever passes a law *hopefully* to one day prevent child exploitation such as this, they ought to call it Mady's Law.

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timetogokon said...

CJP: Exactly. What mother sells a scrapbook (in essence that is what it is) of their children? Its just sick and wrong IMO. Also I think her new "book" is the definition of exploitation.


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We all know why Keight sells pictures of her kids (the almighty $), I wanna know WHY WOULD PEOPLE BUY PICTURES OF OTHER PEOPLE'S CHILDREN????

CrazyKeight said...

http://www.peta.org/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8046

There is a bit of discussion on the PETA boards about the puppies, sadly many of the posters are not the most informed individuals...

I love my son! said...

I would also like to say to all of the Pro-Katers; If we only get a glimps of their daily lives during each half hour episode, then what are the other twenty - three and half hours made up of? I think they (TLC) are either showing the absolute worst of Kate to get more raitings. Kind of like 'tune in to next week's episode to see what Kate says or does' the shock value, or maybe this was the best Kate had acted during their filming...which is scary. I tend to believe Kate is fine with playing the villain. Jon is just as guilty by milking the poor berated husband routine. The show is faker then Kate's tan lines and Jon's hair plugs.

As far as Jon's possible comment of "we won't payback evil with evil." Does that fall under "Thou shall not lie" or do they get a special pass from God because they have the direct connect phone line straight to him.

Janet said...

I was visiting my friend today and she had this "A Parents Prayer" in a frame and on the wall. I think it was written a long time ago, though it doesn't say the year it was published or who wrote it. And perhaps some of you might have read it before but I had never seen it before today. And as I was reading it, I couldn't help thinking of Kate (especially) and I wish she could read it too; she might learn from it. In part, this it what it says:

"Oh, heavenly Father, make me a better parent. Teach me to understand my children, to listen patiently to what they have to say, and to answer all their questions kindly. Keep me from interrupting them or contradicting them. Make me as courteous to them as I would have them be to me. Forbid that I should ever laugh at their mistakes, or resort to shame or ridicule when they displease me. May I never punish them for my own selfish satisfaction or to show my power.

Guide me hour by hour that I may demonstrate by all I say and do that honesty produces happiness.

Reduce, I pray, the meanness in me. And when I am out of sorts, help me, Oh Lord, to hold my tongue.

Make me fair and just and kind. And fit me, Oh Lored, to be loved and respected and imitated by my children. AMEN

babeeberry said...

I don't think the Roloff's and Duggars have changed much at all. They all speak to their children and each other with respect and kindness. Their marriages are not built on meaness and hateful comments (although Amy does bark occasionally at Matt!) They work to help support their own family. As far as the vacations I remember Matt and Amy saying they had travelled prior to their show.

I guess the big difference I see is the Roloff's and Duggars were never walking around with their hands out gobbling up charity and freebee's (sp?) Their children are happy little people with big smiles on their faces, and none of them seem to be afraid of their parents the way the Gosselin children are.

One of my favorite things I saw Michelle Duggar doing was teaching her little boy patience. I think it was Jackson and she had him sitting in a chair nicely listening to music lessons. He was getting antsy but she kept redirecting him. She explained it was teaching him self control and then she praised him on trying so hard. That is something you would never, ever see at the Gosselin house...

The Roloff's and Duggars understand that they are raising future adults, they are not raising future children.

Kristin

KaitiebugandBrayBray'smommy said...

maybe she only did the 8, 12, 4, 8 feedings and the nurses and other helpers did the others?

Tami said...

I never stick up for Kate but bashing her on the feeding schedule is just not right. I am sure she ( or the help)fed the babies more than 4x's a day. She was saying she feed them 8,12,4,8; I am sure she did not finish saying the rest of the times because she assumed we knew she meant around the clock. I have heard her say on the show that they had people come in and out all the time, and before she was went to bed the 11:00 shift was coming in. Also, if she was only feeding them 4X's a day, don't you think that the nurses that she had would of realized they babies were not getting enough, and change it since they are accountable for the care they are giving. I think Kate and the help did right by theses babies feeding them. I had two preemies, I know after a while they could of gone 3-4 hours without a feed.

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I had a preemie too. I don't think the point is how long they could have gone without feeding, but the fact that babies, especially preemies, should be fed on demand, not on some Kate-dictated schedule even though schedules used to be popular (so did stomach sleeping and feeding babies corn syrup) I get that she meant ever 4 hours round the clock and not just 4 times. I think most people got that. Still, she had so many volunteers I doubt she even knew how much they were really eating. Look at all the times not she has no clue what her kids did or what they are up to. It's sad. But I'll bet when she was alone with them they did only get fed every 4 hrs regardless.

Steph said...

I think one of the main objects for the tup's naps was to allow Kate to do her housework and run errands. She would put them down for their naps, someone would come to the house to 'babysit' and she'd grocery shop, do laundry, clean and when they were young she, of course, ran by a VERY strict schedule. The volunteers were scheduled and she knew how much time she had to accomplish her tasks and no child could or would be allowed to interfere with her plans and objectives of the day. Whether all 6 were awake and crying - their nap time would not end until the clock said so; and then and only then would she go up those stairs to get them.

As always, the household ran per HER timetable and needs. The kids ate and drank what she put in front of them and when she did it; not when they asked. Same for when they were on bottles -- it was her way, when she determinted it would work for her - or no way.

And now, she's of the impression she'll raise puppies/dogs that way. I'm sure by now she's learned it doesn't work the same way as with children. I would have loved to have been a mouse in the corner observing her 'try' to cope with their unpredictable behaviors and needs. (< :

Dooney said...

Vom said ...

Why am I SO repulsed by Jon and Kate but am in no way repulsed by the Duggars or the Roloffs?

I can not figure it out. I just am. They all have shows and no doubt get tons of freebies. So, why are J & K so annoying?
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I don't know if anyone else feels the same but I really really really hate it when someone plays me for a fool.

That's what Jon and Kate do 24/7, 365. They play everyone for a fool. They do it deliberately, for personal gain, without remorse, and will not stop until forced to.

I feel no such vibe from the Roloffs or Duggars.

Someone who knows said...

She would put them down for their naps, someone would come to the house to 'babysit' and she'd grocery shop, do laundry, clean and when they were young she, of course, ran by a VERY strict schedule.

Steph, you're on the right track, but it was actually the opposite. Do you think the volunteers would get off that easy? They would come to her house or Kate had someone lined up to take the kids every day of the week. The volunteers would leave or the kids would come home for nap time. That was the only time that Kate was alone with the kids and that's why they had such a long "nap". She locked them in their room for 3-4 hrs whether they were sleeping or not.

triplemama said...

I had Preemie multiples too. Mine came home from the hospital on an every 3 hour schedule feeding. That's what they did in NICU. Unfortunately, their feedings were staggered in hospital to allow me to feed them all but that had to change at home. We quickly changed to feeding all the babies once one started to cry. The thing is that taking babies home from NICU is totally different than taking home a full-term baby. You have spend the last however many weeks measuring weight gain and trying to get as much breast milk in them as possible. They tell you how much weight they must gain per week to avoid being re-admitted to hospital. I cannot imagine a parent holding out a feeding to a preemie to suit a schedule - it's simply not what you are taught in NICU. Shame on Kate if she did this.

RuthinVA said...

4thekids said...
Anyone who regularly watches TLC notice the difference in commercial promotion for J&K this week? Normally we see the "it's a beautiful life" commercial a sickening amount of times and also commercials saying what it is going to be about and showing some clips.

Now it is a commercial about the Roloffs, followed by a "and an all new Jon and Kate plus 8." That's it. No vids, no music, no slow mo running down the hill. On the other hand, I've seen the 18 kids and counting commercial more times than I can count.

Hint of a possible demise? Let's hope so!

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I was wondering the same thing. I thought perhaps they were producing a retaliation show explaining a few things. "straightening out" a few issues in their own cancerous way. I also wondered if the first episodes that ran this week that show Kate in a better light were shown due to the fact of the article.
As far as the pictures go, I do not understand why any adult wants pictures of someone's children you do not know. What do you do with them after you have them. My junk drawer is full of things I need through-out the year not things I don't need at all. I also feel some of Kate's fans are very scary and obsessed and would think twice about selling them a picture of my children to admire and obsess over.

Slainte said...

Random dumb question, but it always bugs me when I see it that I don't know this. How do you pronounce the name of their old town? Is it WY-o-missing, Wy-O-missing, or what? Thanks!

jansea said...

Hi everyone- I'm a first time commenter, so here goes.
Like everyone, I have watched this family go from cute to "trainwreck", and am starting to fear for the children.
I know what it is like to live with narcissists- my mother and sister both fit the description, and it took me years to rise above the damage done to me.
I can't help but watch Kate in all her nastiness and sadly shake my head at it all.
I have seen all the horrifying and cruel behavior ( ie cupcakegate, coupongate, gumgate, etc), and want to comment on a few more:
4th of July parade- Kate is pulling her children along on that plastic rope with the handles, the kids are crying and falling, while Kate is smiling, waving, and taking in all the attention.
Cleaning the van: Jon is out there with a bucket of hot water, cleaning "frozen pee" from potties- if Kate is such a clean freak, where was she???
Kate is always tired, but every so often we see some poor unsung hero cleaning, ironing, playing with the kids, and Kate is at the spa...
And so on and so on!
I have read the blogs in the Reading Eagle, and found another one that is not listed on the front page of this site: Dana Hoffman's article of 6/19/08:" Jen & Bryan plus 6" are Great!" Interesting to read the comments made by the locals, especially the one regarding Kate's overstimulated ovaries !
I truly hope that TLC gets wise to this mess- why promote greed and entitlement when there are so many
"worthy causes " in our world.....

momtobe said...

Like many people who have posted here, I used to be a huge fan of the show. One thing that has always been in the back of my mind, even when I was a loyal viewer, was the issues surrounding Jon's job. We all know that he was an IT analyist. But even IT analyists don't make THAT huge of a salary. I know people who have done the training and worked in the field, and they do alright, but they certainly don't make enough to support a family of 10 people. So I think it's pretty naive to think that even from the get-go Jon and Kate were trying to do this completely 'on their own' without sponsors,freebies,etc.
I'm the sole income provider for our household right now. I'm an RN and my husband goes to school. We're also expecting our first baby, and there are days I wonder how we're going to make it as a family of three on my income.

wramblinwreck said...

I just watched a story that reinforces my belief that not all parents are quick to exploit their children if provided the opportunity. Real Sports (HBO) did a story on Kyle Degrasso, a 6 year old golf prodigy who started swinging a golf club at 18 months old while watching a golf show on TV. His parents never played golf, but his dad took him to the golf course where at 4 years old Kyle played better than his adult competitors, despite having an eye removed due to cancer. A golf pro made a video of his swing and juxtaposed it next to Tiger Woods' swing--and they were identical! Kyle lost interest in playing when his father, who's a Marine, was deployed to Iraq, but upon his return their first father and son activity was a return to the golf course, where dad serves as his son's caddy.

When asked if they would be taking advantage of all the opportunities that sponsors and other venues had offered them to promote Kyle, the parents said they weren't interested, that the most important thing to them was to give Kyle as normal a childhood as possible.

Kyle's parents could have easily sold out their son's extraordinary gift for big bucks, and as a military family with 3 kids (Kyle is the youngest), the big $$$ might be tempting. But giving their son a normal childhood was a higher priority. Kon fans often say, if you were given the same opportunities to make money, travel, etc. as the Gosselins, you'd do it too, as if every family would jump at the chance to exploit their children. The DeGrassos prove that's just not true.

pinkdiamond611 said...

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks wanting pictures of other people's kids is creepy. But it is also creepy to charge people to take your picture. I wonder if Yawn charges to take his picture when he is out alone. snicker.

Willow said...

Oh Jansea - I can't tell you how that episode at the parade always bothered me also!! That was one of the first things that got my attention. I was cringing for Kate! I could not believe how she did not see what a spectacle she was. As if everyone didn't know there were sextuplets there --- I thought even then that the "ring" was to draw attention. Then they walked in FRONT of the crowd, with Kate saying "Excuse us" as loud as she could. I bet Jon and the kids were just dying. I think there MUST be something seriously wrong with her -- then and now!

older and wiser said...

Random dumb question, but it always bugs me when I see it that I don't know this. How do you pronounce the name of their old town? Is it WY-o-missing, Wy-O-missing, or what? Thanks
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I've always heard it pronounced Wy-o-MISS-ing

ROFL- PROUD GWOPer said...

I used to post at least twice a day here. Now that I no longer watch the show my posts have dwindled down to 2-3 posts a week. I miss posting but I don't miss the show at all. I wonder if everyone who posted here didn't watch Monday's episode if it would effect the ratings at all?

Jane in California said...

As to the feeding schedule of babies -- I don't know anything specific about preemies. But as for my own son when he was an infant, I breastfed and it was pretty much on demand. After a couple weeks, we did settle into a loose schedule, but the doctor told me (and I read in my The First Twelve Months book), your baby goes through growth spurts where suddenly they'll eat a lot more.

So I learned that schedules, plans, etc., all have to be flexible to accomodate the baby's changing needs.

I also found it strange that even as older toddlers, Kate continued to insist they go down for long naps. Now I understand that it was done because she wanted to shut them away in their rooms so she wouldn't have to deal with them. You can parent at your own convenience -- however, you will be a very poor type of parent if that's what you choose.

KidsAreCute said...

Vom said...
I need help figuring this out.
Why am I SO repulsed by Jon and Kate but am in no way repulsed by the Duggars or the Roloffs?


I don’t watch the Roloffs too often, but I do watch the Duggars. As others have mentioned in the past, both the Roloffs and the Duggars work. Both families get some of their income through their own efforts outside of the show. J&K appear to get all of their income from the show.

In the most recent Duggar episode, People Magazine came to photograph the family after the 18th baby was born. The People Magazine stylists brought racks of clothing so that each Duggar member would be wearing a (different) blue shirt for the photo shoot. Several comments were made by the Duggars about how they buy used clothing and not new clothing, and how surprised they were that People Magazine thought to bring racks of clothing so that each Duggar could pick out a shirt for themselves. One of the daughters (Jill) was visibly pleased when she said People Magazine let them each keep the clothing they chose, in fact, she noted she was wearing her new shirt for that interview. We are not talking a cashmere sweater over a silk blouse w/ a pair of Prada shoes. We are talking a simple, run of the mill shirt that came w/ new tags. And still she was all excited and appreciative that she got to keep... a shirt.

The Duggars and Roloffs are shown living a normal life among the trips and other perks they get from doing the show. The Roloff kids are shown doing normal school activities, and the parents work. The Duggars are often shown performing ‘real life’ tasks like cooking or doing the laundry for 20 people. In contrast, unless it’s tied into a product placement (for examples the much mentioned Duet Washers and Dryers), neither Kate nor Jon is seen doing mundane things. In a recent episode (I think it was the shower head/coupon/wire hangers episode), Kate makes a comment that the tups are going to have the quickest lunch ever before they go to school. Each child is seen eating a small cup of yogurt w/ some other small items on their plate. A (kid sized) yogurt cup is not a lunch. I don’t care if you throw 3 Ritz crackers and 5 red grapes w/ it; I’m not buying it.

Many of the Duggar shows are not extravagant excursions. They’ve gone to a museum, a zoo, been in a holiday parade, etc. Yes, they do take expensive trips every now and then, but many of the episodes evolve around either doing something around the house, or a relatively inexpensive excursion (even though admission to a museum times 20 people does add up, it pales in comparison to the J&K trip to Hawaii).

The Roloffs and Duggars each seem to have their own personal mission within, and exclusive of the show. Matt Roloff has his own company to promote products that will help little people. They also view their show as a way of promoting awareness and understanding of issue relating to little people. The Duggars are very focused on their own family, and they use the show to spread the word of their religious beliefs. J&K? They appear to use the show solely to make money. Even Kate’s interests (for example, eating organic or constantly using the show to talk about her challenges in doing the laundry) appear to be attempts to obtain endorsements. It’s not like Kate says, “we eat organic and we encourage other families to eat organic too”; she only says, “We only eat organic”.

I realize that all 3 families benefit financially from doing the show. I’m not repulsed by the Roloffs or Duggars because they seem to be grounded, and are able to remain a ‘normal’ family, keeping it in perspective, despite the show. It is only J&K for whom it never seems to be enough.

Lexie said...

I saw the movie "Mommie Dearest" for the first time yesterday and I must say, the resemblence of Joan Crawford's character to Kate is shocking. Between the OTT neat freak additude, the "I want to adopt children...so I'll have someone who loves me...and so I can have more publicity..." and the fact that she completely cuts people out of her life if they disaprove of anything she does (the scene where Cristina tells her little bro: "if she doesn't like you anymore, she makes you disapear made me shiver), this may as well have been a movie about Kate. Her meltdowns about the stupidest things in the world were also very Kate-like.

Lets see...we had...

Birthday-gate (Mommie Dearest only let Cristina keep one present for her birthday and the rest was given to charity. Great damage control...)

Swimming-gate (Mommie Dearest challenged Cristina to a swimming race and just had to win every time and only did because Cristina was already tired from doing laps. Jesus, who takes that much pleasure in winning against an 8 year old kid? It kind of reminded me of the "Twins Play Mommy" episode. Of course, she flipped out when Cristina talked back to her about how unfair she was being)

Hair-cut-gate (Mommie Dearest caught Cristina doing impressions of her in the mirror so she flipped out and gave her a really ugly haircut.)

Doll-gate (After Mommie Dearest flipped out about the kids making too much noise when she was trying to get her beauty sleep, Cristina did an impression of her freakout where she was Mommie Dearest and the baby dolls were her. Mommie Dearest threw the baby dolls away.)

Rosebush-gate (Mommie Dearest was upset that she got dumped by MGM Studios, so she chopped up a bunch of rose bushes and cut down a tree. Then she made the kids and the nanny clean it up.)

Steak-gate (Cristina wouldn't eat her steak because it was too rare. Mommie Dearest had her sit at the table until it was all eaten. When she didn't touch it, Mommie Dearest had her take it up to her room to eat it there. It didn't get eaten, so Mommie Dearest brought it down and the next morning, the steak appeared at the breakfast table.)

Wire-hanger-gate (Probably the worst one, Mommie Dearest was looking through Cristina's closet for God knows what reason and found a horrendously horrendous wire hanger. She flipped out and threw every single dress on the floor while screaming about how expensive the dresses were. Then she realized the bathroom wasn't clean enough for her standards, so she poured soap all over the floor. Once again, she made Cristina clean up a mess that she made.)

I must admit, some of the crap this woman pulled made Kate look kind of okay. However, IMO, she is better than Kate for two reasons:

1) She actually had talent and didn't rely on making money off her children.

2) She actually liked her fans and was nice to people in public instead of acting like a complete snot who was above everyone.

Anyway, I can not wait for Mady's tell-all book and hope that it eventually gets made into a movie. I'm sure Joel-gate, Gum-gate and Cupcake-gate will be included as well as plenty of other "gates" we know nothing about.

Reading Eagle Blogs said...

For all the people who believed Kate's sob story that she wanted to see what one baby was like, take a gander at this post by a Reading, PA resident/blogger. Kate Gosselin is NO DIFFERENT than Nadya Suleman!!!!! She planned this fiasco very carefully.

( From the Reading Eagle blogs: 2008 )



First of all lets start off with a comment her Mother Charlene Kreider said in the local newspaper:

Kate’s mother, Charlene Kreider, said her daughter always wanted to be a mother. Kate Gosselin always wanted twins, Kreider said, and her love for children influenced her choice to pursue a career as a labor and delivery nurse.

“She got her twins and went beyond that,” Kreider said.
(http://www.freebies-n-friends.com/showthread.php?t=1326)

Furthermore, go carefully read J&Ks website Bio.
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We decided that in October we would return for “round two”, but I got impatient (imagine that!) and went back in August right before our family trip to Disney World. August failed!

When we returned, we switched doctors and tried again in October…….That cycle was perfect! Everything went great! I was told I had 3 with a possibility of 4 follicles, and that was a great cycle! The only thing that made our doctor nervous was the fact that we were absolutely opposed to reduction and that we were concerned about multiples again. We prayed about this and just like our peace about returning in October f or this, we felt peace about proceeding. So we did!

Five weeks later, (after my hospitalization for over stimulated ovaries) we were at our initial ultrasound and learned the news. I will never forget this day as long as I live.
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PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:
'Five weeks later, (after my hospitalization for over stimulated ovaries)'

Kate Gosselin is a woman whos Mom, Charlene has admitted that her daughter Kate always wanted to have MULTIPLES! And you just read Kates own words that 5 WEEKS AFTER being Hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries, she was now pregnant with her 6 tups!
In other interviews Kate has said that they saw 8 ripe follicles (ready to be fertilized eggs) and thats why her Dr hospitalized her. Fertility Drs NEVER inseminate women with OVERSTIMULATED OVARIES. But Kate, who was obsessed with the story of the McCaughey Septuplets, was NOT GOING TO LET A DR STOP HER FROM HAVING HER MULTIPLES!
So she went ahead and took her overstimulated ovaries and got pregnant the old fashioned way and 5 weeks later she was diagnosed pregnant.

SHE DID THIS ON PURPOSE FOLKS!
SHE GOT PREGNANT WITH MULTIPLES BY A MAN WHO IS A LAZY NO JOB HAVING LOSER.
Then she expected money and freebies and handouts from all the people of Reading Berks County!...
Comment By TheGCLA At 6/20/2008 11:07 PM



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I don't know how anybody in their right mind can ever believe a word these two con artists ever say. What they have done is exactly what Nadya Suleman did and here Kate Gosselin stands firmly opposed to Nadya's plight and sides with all her critics...and the wench did the SAME THING!!!!!!

yeaisaidthat said...

'Why am I SO repulsed by Jon and Kate but am in no way repulsed by the Duggars or the Roloffs?'

IMO, being repulsed by J & K comes from from that fact that it is a family that has been created, marketed, sponsored , promoted as per the terms and conditions of their said reality show and the exploition of the Gosselin children. The significance of what the Duggar and Rolloff families represent existed long before the creation of their reality show.

Addison said...

Lexie said...
I saw the movie "Mommie Dearest" for the first time yesterday and I must say, the resemblence of Joan Crawford's character to Kate is shocking. Between the OTT neat freak additude, the "I want to adopt children...so I'll have someone who loves me...and so I can have more publicity..." and the fact that she completely cuts people out of her life if they disaprove of anything she does (the scene where Cristina tells her little bro: "if she doesn't like you anymore, she makes you disapear made me shiver), this may as well have been a movie about Kate. Her meltdowns about the stupidest things in the world were also very Kate-like.

Lets see...we had...

Birthday-gate (Mommie Dearest only let Cristina keep one present for her birthday and the rest was given to charity. Great damage control...)

Swimming-gate (Mommie Dearest challenged Cristina to a swimming race and just had to win every time and only did because Cristina was already tired from doing laps. Jesus, who takes that much pleasure in winning against an 8 year old kid? It kind of reminded me of the "Twins Play Mommy" episode. Of course, she flipped out when Cristina talked back to her about how unfair she was being)

Hair-cut-gate (Mommie Dearest caught Cristina doing impressions of her in the mirror so she flipped out and gave her a really ugly haircut.)

Doll-gate (After Mommie Dearest flipped out about the kids making too much noise when she was trying to get her beauty sleep, Cristina did an impression of her freakout where she was Mommie Dearest and the baby dolls were her. Mommie Dearest threw the baby dolls away.)

Rosebush-gate (Mommie Dearest was upset that she got dumped by MGM Studios, so she chopped up a bunch of rose bushes and cut down a tree. Then she made the kids and the nanny clean it up.)

Steak-gate (Cristina wouldn't eat her steak because it was too rare. Mommie Dearest had her sit at the table until it was all eaten. When she didn't touch it, Mommie Dearest had her take it up to her room to eat it there. It didn't get eaten, so Mommie Dearest brought it down and the next morning, the steak appeared at the breakfast table.)

Wire-hanger-gate (Probably the worst one, Mommie Dearest was looking through Cristina's closet for God knows what reason and found a horrendously horrendous wire hanger. She flipped out and threw every single dress on the floor while screaming about how expensive the dresses were. Then she realized the bathroom wasn't clean enough for her standards, so she poured soap all over the floor. Once again, she made Cristina clean up a mess that she made.)

I must admit, some of the crap this woman pulled made Kate look kind of okay. However, IMO, she is better than Kate for two reasons:

1) She actually had talent and didn't rely on making money off her children.

2) She actually liked her fans and was nice to people in public instead of acting like a complete snot who was above everyone.

Anyway, I can not wait for Mady's tell-all book and hope that it eventually gets made into a movie. I'm sure Joel-gate, Gum-gate and Cupcake-gate will be included as well as plenty of other "gates" we know nothing about.

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You forgot the part where she leaves nothing for either of the kids in her will. I guess they just "weren't able to help her." Lol.

Vicki said...

Lexie: "and plenty of Gates we know nothing about". That's what worries me. The Children are truly under great pressure to
"perform" in the Gosselin Household. "The show is our life and our life is the show".

Lexie said...

Yeah, that pissed me off too (that she cut them out of her will). Why did she do that anyway? Because they were adopted? Because they weren't perfect? Because she was just a complete bitch???

Masche Sextuplet Clips said...

Clips of the upcoming Masche Sextuplets, starting on the WE channel in June.


http://www.wetv.com/video/6940628001/first-look-raising-sextuplets-meet-the-kids


This couple seems genuily nicer in every way compared to the Gosselins, but it's still child exploitation however you color it.

I sure hope fame and fortune doesn't turn this couple into monsters like our ole Wyomissing PA nightmare.

Maria said...

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momtobe, I remember reading somewhere that they were making a total of $38,000 a year when they had just the twins, and they had complained then that they were on a strict budge and barely making it. So why try to have even ONE more? And where did the money come from to do the fertility treatments?

Susy said...

I am a new poster to this forum and have had my share of jaw-dropping "can this be real?" moments watching the show (which I no longer watch). But I do read the posts on this site. I checked out that minister Ezzo and his parenting techniques and was shocked and appalled. Besides the failure to thrive and the ignore the kid until you want to have contact, the fact that he thinks striking your children is OK is obscene.

I am a full-time granny-nanny for my 9 month old granddaughter and cannot imagine ignoring her cries, failing to feed her when she is hungry, or hitting her. I did not spank my daughter whereas I was "spanked" with a belt.

Ezzo and his conservative Christian agenda frightens me anyway, because it seems very cultish to me, but the fact that he has so many followers in this country and abroad, is truly horrifying.

If Jon and Kate are following his precepts (or maybe did when the children were younger), it explains a lot of the children's behavior, in my opinion. That flinch in the walk in the woods episode, the not so concealed wooden spoon, the what seem like constant meltdowns, the sibling on sibling outing out--all are indications to me that these children ARE suffering from abuse and neglect. My guess is that the children are hungry--for food, for attention, for praise, for safety.

I am heartsick for these children. Why can't children's services intervene on their behalf?

Susy said...

Whoops! In my previous post I meant to write
ACTING OUT.

"the sibling on sibling outing out"

Maria said...

Lexie has left a new comment on the post "Free Discussion 2/27 - 3/5":

Yeah, that pissed me off too (that she cut them out of her will). Why did she do that anyway? Because they were adopted? Because they weren't perfect? Because she was just a complete bitch???

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I think she (Crawford) was just a bitch AND I don't think she ever really cared for those kids. There were just accessories for her. And yet they (the kids) tried so hard to please her. It is just so sad.

Anonymomma said...

triplemama said...
I had Preemie multiples too. Mine came home from the hospital on an every 3 hour schedule feeding. That's what they did in NICU. Unfortunately, their feedings were staggered in hospital to allow me to feed them all but that had to change at home. We quickly changed to feeding all the babies once one started to cry. The thing is that taking babies home from NICU is totally different than taking home a full-term baby. You have spend the last however many weeks measuring weight gain and trying to get as much breast milk in them as possible. They tell you how much weight they must gain per week to avoid being re-admitted to hospital. I cannot imagine a parent holding out a feeding to a preemie to suit a schedule - it's simply not what you are taught in NICU. Shame on Kate if she did this.

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I remember taking my preemie twins to the pediatrician every Friday for the first three months home for a weigh in. We also had an LPN come in every three days and download/upload? the information off of their apnea monitors and onto a laptop that then went directly to the neonatologist of the NICU they were discharged from. The NICU basically set up our feeding schedule with the babies, a half an hour apart. They did it to help later at home in case there was only one parent available for feedings. But we did the same thing as you, when we got home we put them on a feeding schedule where they were both fed at the same time. I know that differs from feeding 6 babies at once but she did have help. Also, our NICU was at the Janet Weis Children's Hospital, Geisinger Medical Center, Danville PA. North of KON.

Anonymomma said...

The 4th of July episode, yes, I agree. I think my jaw literally hit the floor when she began marching them down the street, smiling, waving and announcing that they were "Coming through! Don't mind us!". Way to draw attention to the same people you claim to need security from. And the kids crying the whole time and it being blamed on low blood sugar, yet when they grabbed up candy from the parade it was swiftly taken from them, even while some of them were already chewing it. Who DOES that? I don't understand what her thinking was with the whole rope thing either, she admitted they never "walked like big kids" before that (i.e. without parental assistance). I can understand the fear of losing one of them. I have twins and when they were smaller it was like, oh dear lord lol when we went to the mall, keeping track of them. But she very quickly marched them down the street, way too fast IMO for a child that size to keep up. Hell, my 8 year old would have had a problem with that pace.

And while I'm at it, did she and Jon not buy 'parade stand food' for themselves yet made the kids eat pre packed, 'scheduled' lunches? Why couldn't she just let them have a friggin hot dog or some fries? Isn't that part of the fun of going to those events?

For the poster asking about the pronounciation of Wyomissing. It's Wyo-MISS-ing, emphasis on the miss.

momtobe said...

momtobe, I remember reading somewhere that they were making a total of $38,000 a year when they had just the twins, and they had complained then that they were on a strict budge and barely making it. So why try to have even ONE more? And where did the money come from to do the fertility treatments?

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Maria...exactly. I don't know about the States, but IVF costs about $15000 a go here in Canada, so I can imagine IUI, like they had, probably costs the same?( If anyone can shed light on this it'd be great!) But either way...we all know fertility treatments are expensive, and they tried a couple of times with the sextuplets. So what they're saying is they pretty much spent their whole income that year on trying to get pregnant with the sextuplets while trying to raise twins at the same time?

quincy mackenzie said...

I don't know if any of you catch up with your news on www.newser.com but I thought you'd like to know that J & K's story from the Philly Magazine is currently the fourth tracked story on their site.

This is my first time posting on here, but have been lurking and reading all the posts, being so very thankful I wasn't alone in my thoughts about these narcissistic duo and their eight poor offspring.

I can no longer watch this show in good conscience, my heart aches for these precious children. How I hope this show is pulled and soon.

jonandkatewho? said...

I watched the clips of those new sextuplets somebody posted...the Masche family, I believe it is?

That was creepy. It reminded me so much of Jon and Kate Plus Eight. Talking about the personalities of each one, watching them toddle around, the parents sitting side by side while being interviewed. I've seen this before and the results now aren't pretty.

I think those kids are cuter than the Gosselin kids, but that's hardly the point.

It creeps me out that another channel is doing another show like this, where the kids have no say and possibly will have no privacy.

Ugh. WTF? Can't people think of some other topic for a television show? I don't ever want to see these little kids on their potties. Sorry, I just don't need to know about that.

I can't wish this new show well. I hope some laws are passed in the near future to protect all of these innocent kids. It's like a freakin' disease, I swear!

Jen K said...

momtobe, I remember reading somewhere that they were making a total of $38,000 a year when they had just the twins, and they had complained then that they were on a strict budge and barely making it. So why try to have even ONE more? And where did the money come from to do the fertility treatments?


In a video interview with the 700 Club, Kate says specifically that they couldn't afford the two kids they had let alone six more.

In other words, there is virtually no difference between Kate and Nadya. Both wanted babies they knew they could not afford to provide for and had no plan to do so.

The link to that interview is:

http://tinyurl.com/bqgwhs

Where she starts talking about money and not being able to afford the kids is around the 36 minute mark.

Reading News said...

"The 4th of July episode, yes, I agree. I think my jaw literally hit the floor when she began marching them down the street, smiling, waving and announcing that they were "Coming through! Don't mind us!". Way to draw attention to the same people you claim to need security from."

And how can we locals forget the previous parade when the twins were younger with the big sign on their carriage that said "Gosselin Twins".

Maria said...

"In a video interview with the 700 Club, Kate says specifically that they couldn't afford the two kids they had let alone six more."

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In which case they had NO business even trying for ONE more. I truly loathe people like that. And then they have SIX more and start begging for anything and everything because it was "God's will" that they have those six babies. I call bullshit on that one.

Storm said...

My dh and I have 3 year old b/g twins. We can't even go to Walmart without being asked questions about our kids......sometimes questions I feel are a little too personal. Why would anyone draw attention to themselves?

shelbysmom said...

Cnn was having a field day commenting that Octomom having a reality show was pure exploitation of her children. WHY, WHY can't they see that we already have a show on TV like that. They comment that she will be financialy living off her children and how devastating to their lives this taping will be.

I hope that if anything Octomom brings to light more of what Jon and Kate are doing to their kids. Maybe, just maybe, this will help bring their show to an end.

takethesefreaksoff theiar said...

I am so sick of the Gosselins and Nadya Suleman speaking of it being Gods will that they had all these kids.

Actually God's will was that you not have any, that is why you had those fertility issues. It was your own will and science that got you all those kids.

FYI said...

Anyone else notice there has been NO clips (previews) of the upcoming new Monday night episode all weekend? This is unusual. Usually they play every 15 seconds. All I have seen are clips of LPBW. None of J&K.

JoseM said...

FYI said...

Anyone else notice there has been NO clips (previews) of the upcoming new Monday night episode all weekend? This is unusual. Usually they play every 15 seconds. All I have seen are clips of LPBW. None of J&K.
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I noticed this as well. My guess is that either it won't be a new episode, or it'll be some sort of "get the viewers up to speed" sort of episode, like the "everything you wanted to know" episodes they do. Funny thing is that there is no episode listed after the puppies episode on any site you look. Neither on the TLC episode guide for the show, nor any other site out there. I'm interested in seeing what they put out there tomorrow night

Wynema said...

Good comment takethesefreaksofftheair....I agree....

As per the 4th of July show....Yes Kate strudded so proudly down the street DRAWING ATTENTION to her family. I am surprised that she didnt have a megaphone. Yes she and Jon had booth food( sloppy food) and the kids had pre-boxed lunches. P/P/J sandwiches and fruit. Healthy yes but dang Kate take a walk on the wild side and give those kids a hot dog once in a while.

CP Mom said...

takethesefreaksoff theiar said...
I am so sick of the Gosselins and Nadya Suleman speaking of it being Gods will that they had all these kids

Don't forget to add the Masche (sextuplets) and the Jones(quints)to the list of "God's will." Although their births are probably a science/miracle (both God and science intervention) God should not be used an excuse for the results of their actions by experimenting with fertility drugs or treatments. I am sick of it too.

stylistgege said...

Anonymous Old North State said...

Emma said: Does anyone remember the Roloff's Christmas special?
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I remember how they hired out all their Christmas decorating and how over the top it was. I used to enjoy the Roloffs but they now seem to be taking a page out of J & K's book with their extravagant trips and McMansion. Just not much of a fan now.
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I agree with you.
I am sorry but I feel that I must disagree with this post. I have MD and could not put up any type of decorations on my house and pay my brother-in-law to do these things for me. I thought the Christmas ep was heart warming. I have never seen Jon and Kate do something heart warming in a long time.

Sarah H. said...

JoseM said...

I noticed this as well. My guess is that either it won't be a new episode, or it'll be some sort of "get the viewers up to speed" sort of episode, like the "everything you wanted to know" episodes they do. Funny thing is that there is no episode listed after the puppies episode on any site you look. Neither on the TLC episode guide for the show, nor any other site out there. I'm interested in seeing what they put out there tomorrow night
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I'm not sure where I read it but I remember something about this weeks episode about the G's going back to their old house and reminiscing....

FYI said...

After the LPBW preview, the announcer says"followed by an all new Jon and Kate+8" but that's the extent of it. I don't ever remember a new episode with no previews.

cheryl said...

I believe that the Roloffs had their Xmas decorations professionally installed as they were preparing for the relatives to arrive and it was a special occasion. It was so refreshing and comforting to see their families get together as it had been several yrs for some. The R's also have friends that come by that the g's do not indulge in extras at their place. Might dirty up the joint!!! The Xmas gettogether reminded me of past yrs of families. The only consistent thing is change. Thanks for letting me comment.

JoseM said...

Sarah H. said...
I'm not sure where I read it but I remember something about this weeks episode about the G's going back to their old house and reminiscing....
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Ohhhhhhhh, you're right!!!! I read that too, actually!!! Hmm, interesting why this isn't posted online anywhere anymore. Haha, I love this whole thing against KON and how things that happen just don't really seem to be helping any good momentum they might get.

Sharla said...

The episode info is still on the TLC website and is showing up on my digital guide. We have the episode post open for discussion.

konspiracytheory said...

Jen K said:

momtobe, I remember reading somewhere that they were making a total of $38,000 a year when they had just the twins, and they had complained then that they were on a strict budge and barely making it. So why try to have even ONE more? And where did the money come from to do the fertility treatments?


In a video interview with the 700 Club, Kate says specifically that they couldn't afford the two kids they had let alone six more.

In other words, there is virtually no difference between Kate and Nadya. Both wanted babies they knew they could not afford to provide for and had no plan to do so.

The link to that interview is:

http://tinyurl.com/bqgwhs

Where she starts talking about money and not being able to afford the kids is around the 36 minute mark.

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I couldn't agree more. To answer momtobe's question:

My husband and I endured 2.5 years of infertility before trying IUI (we'd already had one child no problem, so it took us a while to give up on the 'it'll just happen again' scenario). Our insurance covered IUI - I don't know how many rounds they would have covered b/c thankfully we only had to do two in order to conceive our second child, but my point is that IUI is significantly less expensive than IVF (IUI is often referred to as the 'turkey baster' method, i.e., not as high tech as IVF!).

jayley said...

Nice post stylistgege. Doesn't matter how you show spirit and love in your holiday season, the Roloffs did it. On the other hand, why don't the G's kids room look like typical 4-8 year old rooms? Nothing very homey or cozy at all, just mattresses on the floor. Zero effort from parents. I know parents with a LOT less money that have made an attempt to decorate somewhat within the interests of each child. This show became such a constant WTF?, WHO DOES THAT? (anonymoma), and sorry if it ages me BEAM ME UP!. Done.

MaryD said...

Wynema said:
"dang Kate take a walk on the wild side and give those kids a hot dog once in a while"

too funny!

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I also like to watch the Roloffs and Duggars. I don't really agree with having one child after another but they aren't living on tax payers money and begging for handouts so it doesn't bother me. There are so many differences between these two families and the Gosselins most of them already mentioned in other posts.

You would think if the churches wanted someone to speak they would have the Duggars come. Their faith is very evident. It certainly makes you question the churches motives when they ask the Gosselins.

Another thing is that if you would see any of the Duggars or the Roloffs out in public shopping or whatever you know they would be friendly and talk to you. I don't think they would be rude and think themselves above others.

Annies said...

New upcoming episode? The Gosselins at the local Sovereign Center to see The Harlem Globetrotters, cameras, kids and J&K. Some people in the arena actually booed the family as they entered. Living in good ole Berks County these days is tough. Most of our locals abhor Kon.

Jodie said...

Wynema said...
Good comment takethesefreaksofftheair....I agree....

As per the 4th of July show....Yes Kate strudded so proudly down the street DRAWING ATTENTION to her family. I am surprised that she didnt have a megaphone. Yes she and Jon had booth food( sloppy food) and the kids had pre-boxed lunches. P/P/J sandwiches and fruit. Healthy yes but dang Kate take a walk on the wild side and give those kids a hot dog once in a while.

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Don't forget that she was already fighting an uphill battle by having a camera crew with them. I know we are not supposed to break the "fourth wall," but lately I can't help thinking about the fact that these precious "memories" we are watching unfold really involve at least one more person behind the camera. It's just weird and creepy.

konspiracytheory said...

Annies said:

New upcoming episode? The Gosselins at the local Sovereign Center to see The Harlem Globetrotters, cameras, kids and J&K. Some people in the arena actually booed the family as they entered. Living in good ole Berks County these days is tough. Most of our locals abhor Kon.

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That actually made my stomach hurt. Can you imagine being Cara and Maddy, listening to people boo at you while walking through an arena with a camera crew in tow? I completely understand the disgust many of the locals must have for KON, but it's heartbreaking to think about the children (particularly the twins) being subjected to that. I'm so angry and frustrated right now - why don't Jon and Kate see what they're subjecting these children to?

Anne said...

Annies said...
New upcoming episode? The Gosselins at the local Sovereign Center to see The Harlem Globetrotters
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I tried to post something about this before but it didn't go through. I saw a post on another site from someone who was there at the Sovereign Center and was not happy seeing them. They felt that there were special needs children in the audience who deserved the attention from the Globetrotters more than the Gosselins.

Didn't know they were booed by some. It's true. I think that those of us who were living in the area at the time this whole thing started find it hard to "forgive and forget"

Maria said...

Nice post stylistgege. Doesn't matter how you show spirit and love in your holiday season, the Roloffs did it. On the other hand, why don't the G's kids room look like typical 4-8 year old rooms? Nothing very homey or cozy at all, just mattresses on the floor. Zero effort from parents. I know parents with a LOT less money that have made an attempt to decorate somewhat within the interests of each child. This show became such a constant WTF?, WHO DOES THAT? (anonymoma), and sorry if it ages me BEAM ME UP!. Done.
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Agreed. Those poor kids have such plain rooms. Beds and maybe a table and one or two toys each. I never say anything on the walls, no window treatments, no border - NOTHING. I don't think it had anything to do with money. I think the parents just didn't care. If you think back, KON's bedroom looked decorated. It had knick knacks and a color on the walls. Not for the kids. At least they painted the converted room for the twins pink, didn't they? That added something.

Maria said...

Annies has left a new comment on the post "Free Discussion 2/27 - 3/5":

New upcoming episode? The Gosselins at the local Sovereign Center to see The Harlem Globetrotters, cameras, kids and J&K. Some people in the arena actually booed the family as they entered. Living in good ole Berks County these days is tough. Most of our locals abhor Kon.
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Seriously? Were you there to see it? I wonder how they reacted when they got booed. I realize the people were booing Jon and Kate, but I wonder what the kids thought about it. I would think Mady and Cara would understand it was directed at their parents and maybe feel scared.

Maria said...

" I'm so angry and frustrated right now - why don't Jon and Kate see what they're subjecting these children to? "

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Jon and Kate see EXACTLY what is happening and what they are subjecting their children to. They just don't care because all they can see are dollar signs when they look at their kids.

Maria said...

"I tried to post something about this before but it didn't go through. I saw a post on another site from someone who was there at the Sovereign Center and was not happy seeing them. They felt that there were special needs children in the audience who deserved the attention from the Globetrotters more than the Gosselins."
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Anne, they got personal attention from the Globetrotters? If there were special needs kids there, then I agree the attention would have been better spent on THOSE kids. The Gosselin kids have had more than enough 'special attention'.

thecloserfan said...

Could it be that the poor decorating in the new house is because of Beth Carson? Beth helped Kate decorate the old house. No Beth = poor or no decorating. The new house is just that..a house...not a home.

Old North State said...

Annies said: Some people in the arena actually booed the family as they entered. Living in good ole Berks County these days is tough. Most of our locals abhor Kon.
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As a native North Carolinian, I'm so grateful that they didn't move to NC! I can only imagine how backwoods and boring she would find us. She would definitely have to jet off to New York or LA more often just to be able to stomach living here.

Damage Control said...

thecloserfan said...
Could it be that the poor decorating in the new house is because of Beth Carson? Beth helped Kate decorate the old house. No Beth = poor or no decorating. The new house is just that..a house...not a home.
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The old house was pretty sparse in 'decorating' as far as I saw it to be. Post-it notes on cabinets and mirrors and Pepto-Bismal pink walls notwithstanding ;-)

I love my son! said...

Maria said...
"I tried to post something about this before but it didn't go through. I saw a post on another site from someone who was there at the Sovereign Center and was not happy seeing them. They felt that there were special needs children in the audience who deserved the attention from the Globetrotters more than the Gosselins."
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Anne, they got personal attention from the Globetrotters? If there were special needs kids there, then I agree the attention would have been better spent on THOSE kids. The Gosselin kids have had more than enough 'special attention'.
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Poor kids! I'm sure Kate and Jon told their kids that everyone was just jealous of them after being booed at. And I'm willing to bet that the boos will be covered during the future episode.

My fiance took our son to see the Globetrotters about four years ago in Orlando, Fl. The tickets were pretty expensive and the show was kind of short. Not to mention he bought our son a mini Globetrotter basketball which cost over $20.00 bucks to boot!

It will be interesting to see if the scamers receive not just one on one attention from them but how much free merchandise they get! If there were special needs children at the show then the Gosselin's needed to realize this and step aside!

You know I don't think they care what effect (being good or bad) it has on their INNOCENT children. If they effect is bad then they'll say the kids were just acting 'ugly' and if the effect was good then they'll say "we would do anything for our kids!"

I want to see if Kate wears her skin tight jeans and four inch heels to the show!

MirandaB2008 said...

I feel kind of sad when I watch these more recent episodes.
the "Kate" of early-on ones was such an Innocent girl... quite nervous about the new 'Life' unfolding before her with all of these beautiful little children.

Last nite, as I watched her sitting there in the ' Interview Chair'? her demeanor and Body Language were 'anything but'...she was nearly clutching the side of the 'chair' to be far from touching Jon!? she appeared to have either just come from a Sunny Vacation Destination OR from a Tanning Bed session, the 'softness' of her former self is gone, replaced now by a Boney,Bitter Shell of a woman who lashes out at people, snipes at her husband and struts around as if she Owns the World.

I think back to the Episode when the babies were 'just babies' and Jon took her shopping as she 'couldn't put an outfit together to save herself' as she admittedly had no 'Fashion Sense'.

The newest episode had her 'encased' in some Fancy Outfit PLUS HEELS!! Oh My Lord! who wears HEELS to go to a Dog kennel! much less who 'dresses up' to go visit and choose new puppies. Has the woman forgotten what Jeans,Sweats and Runners are for??

I shake my head........ and yes, it makes me very sad. I wonder about the 'well-being' of those 2 innocent puppies? she has obviously No Training at ALL about housebreaking puppies or caring for them and it would appear she merely tolerates them at best.
if she thinks 'shorter haired dogs' won't shed! she had better get a good Dog Book and read it cover to cover! I didn't sense any ' feeling' towards these pups but rather a sense of Disdain......I wonder how they will be treated when the cameras are not rolling and once pee's or poops in the house.......
This woman is a very pathetic excuse nowadays.

Jen K said...

If there were boos at the basketball game, they will be edited out. They will show them walking out there doing whatever they did with voiceovers overlapping the ambient sound. As much as they try to say their show is real, it's contrived and that will be no different in that episode.

Merrilee said...

Concerning the Roloffs, Duggars, and J&K and the trips they go on for new and interesting episodes:

The Roloffs are all old enough to truly enjoy the trips they have gone on. Though the road trip when they drove that big vehicle, was really hard on all of their nerves.

Molly told Amy to "shut up" at one point, and Jacob was realy a brat, and Matt (to his credit)made Jacob walk instead of get in that big van.

Contrast that with the Gosselins dragging those bawling babies hither, thither and yon when they were far too young to enjoy any of that whoopla and would have been much more content to have been in their own homes and sleeping in their own beds. Those trips meant very little until the kids did grow up some.

The Duggars have taken a few trips, but I think that must be a real chore for a family that large with so many little ones being drug around.

The trip to El Salvador included only the kids 10+ years. That was a very worthwhile trip.

They did take a trip somewhere, can't remember where, and then when they got home, and hardly had a chance to recover, they had to get going for another trip.

It looked like they all really wanted to stay home and not get on the road again.

I sure hope Duggars stay true to their beliefs and don't let $$ get in their way.

I was disappointed and surprised that Michelle bought so much new stuff for their new baby nursery, but of course we know TLC paid for all that.

I would hate to see the Duggars turn into the Gosselins, though that would be quite a stretch.

Jen K said...

There is a blog post by a freelance writer on Glamour.com (the magazine, Glamour) that talks about the PhillyMag article among other things.

http://tinyurl.com/cpqsof

Enjoy....

Stunned in OH said...

This thought goes along with the severe safety issue of pictures circulating of the children. Remember the episode that aired of the Gosselins packing for a trip when the tups were young... I think it was Utah. Kate used electrical tape to black out the children's names on their backpacks so no one could "entice" the kids to come to them by saying their name. Did they not realize that they could black out the backpacks all they wanted, but millions of people have seen them on television long enough to know their names?! How ridiculous!

Jen K said...

This thought goes along with the severe safety issue of pictures circulating of the children. Remember the episode that aired of the Gosselins packing for a trip when the tups were young... I think it was Utah. Kate used electrical tape to black out the children's names on their backpacks so no one could "entice" the kids to come to them by saying their name. Did they not realize that they could black out the backpacks all they wanted, but millions of people have seen them on television long enough to know their names?! How ridiculous!



And now they have a new book coming out that is just a book of pictures of the kids. Anything for a buck. Not to mention, I don't even want to think about the type of person who buy a book of pictures of other peoples' kids in the first place. Who exactly do they consider the target market? Are they really that out of touch with reality?

Addison said...

So in my theory class today, we were talking about Freud and one of the things that really stood out to me was this:

Sometimes, when a child is raised in a "less than perfect" environment (and I don't mean "less than perfect" in the normal sense, because lets face it, no one's upbringing is perfect - I mean an emotionally abusive type of environment), they will repress the fact that their parents are actually really awful because they need their parents to survive and the only way they can survive is by believing that their parents will take care of them no matter what.

Some people (like a friend of my teacher's who she used as an example) will deny that their parents are awful even as adults and STILL desperately want to please them. My teacher said that EVERYONE on the outside could see that her friend's mother was a nasty shrew, but her friend (who in most ways was not a delusional person, btw) went on and on about what a sweet, wonderful woman her mom was. Granted, that's a pretty extreme case, but...

I thought of the Gosselin kids (Mady in particular)when I heard this story. I think Mady still does want Kate's approval even if she is starting to see that Kate is not the nicest person in the world (to put it mildly). I really hope that these kids do realize in time that their parents are not good people and do NOT have their best interests at heart. In some ways, I think maybe having the show to look back on may help them see the truth. Anyway, it's all very sad and looking at it from this perspective makes it even sadder. Kids need someone to love them and take care of them. The twins and 'tups used to have Beth and Aunt Jodi. Who do they have now? The camera crew???

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