The End of Reality For This Show

Sent via email from ConfusedViewer.

I originally became enamored with "Jon & Kate Plus 8" because it was your standard American-miracle-meets-tragedy story. Here was this hard-working middle class family that simply wanted to conceive a third baby. They got 6. The miracle, clearly, was conceiving and delivering 6 completely normal, healthy, adorable babies. The tragedy was the fact that supporting that family both financially and emotionally (and physically) was such a task that it became worthy of a reality show. I loved watching the amount of work and planning that went into one day of raising 8 little kids. Everything about it was mind boggling, from that table with the 6 highchairs built in, to the laundry, and the never-ending grocery shopping.

I wondered if each kid got any personal attention from either parent. How did they buy all those carseats? Carseats can run a few hundred dollars each. Clearly, no middle-class family in America today could support such a brood. I think we all understood how the reality show made sense, as well as we smiled watching the family go from broke back to a tightly-budgeted middle-income household. No one deserves to be poor, let alone innocent little kids, but cutting coupons and having 3 kids per bedroom was part of what comes with a large family, and Jon & Kate should have been greatful to make it that far on the assistance and generosity of others. Their needs were back to being met, and we as viewers loved to watch and marvel at their day-to-day struggles and accomplishments.

However, I no longer understand the reality show. They are no longer a normal family. There is nothing more to watch that is endearing or proof that there is still philanthropy in America. Now Jon & Kate are wealthy. It is proof of American Greed...they should be on that show! We watch them tinker around their mansion, and send their twins to private school. They have luxuries that no middle-class family with even just one kid has...tummy tucks, white teeth, perfectly coiffed and newly-transplanted hair. So what is this story about now? Their lives are easier than many well-to-do families have it with 2 kids. The struggle is over. They have had more extravagent vacations in one year than my husband and I have taken (or could afford to take), and my husband works 60 hours per week in Manhattan for one of the biggest banks in the country and I am a marketing manager.

I am not jealous. I don't want 2 sets of multiples nor do I want to profit off of private tragedy or personal miracles. But I do think that this show and TLC's choice in airing what it has become is in poor taste in a country that is ailing as badly as ours. There are many people out there who are well-educated, who work hour after hour, and cannot provide even half of what Jon & Kate do for their children. We are busy paying for the greed that has slipped through the fingers of our justice system. Let's not have Jon & Kate's hoax of a show be the icing on a rotten cake. It's time that we all unite to instill values back in our society. We need to fight hard for accountability, modesty and good hearts. Take Jon & Kate off the air, please.

87 comments:

Anjie said...

Couldn't have said it any better myself.

4girlsoneboy said...

In my opinion, the post from Confused Viewer really says it all. What is real about a family with 8 kids taking extravagant vacations followed by a move to a mansion when most of us are hanging on by a thread?

Excellent comments and it wraps up the feelings of most of us out here in the "real" world not the make believe world created by TLC

konspiracytheory said...

Amen and thank you.

Ms.Peach said...

Hope this was emailed to TLC viewer relations. Also on TLC web site you can find the names and address of the presidents of TLC and the Discovery Channel.

momof5 said...

J&K+8 are about as real now as the Real World.

Thank You Concerned! said...

So what is this story about now?

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Yeah, what is the story about?

How tough it is being rich in America?

What a dysfunctional family looks like?

Chris said...

I don't know what more can be said. It quit being real some time ago with the always matching clothes and the extravagant vacations many times a year. Thank you for saying it so well.

Lin said...

The reality is: It doesn't matter how many letters people sent TLC saying the show should be shut down. TLC is a large corporation and they care about one thing: Money. As long as people are watching this show it doesn't matter if they get 5 billion hate letters per day, as long as the ratings are good this show isn't going anywhere. So if you want it to go off the air save your breathe ( or your fingers ) and just turn off your t.v.

jessicaclairej said...

Do you guys know how much 8 gymboree outfits would cost? Roughly $600.00, based off thier site and adding up the cost of thier Early Morning Show outfits. What mother of eight children would/could do that? Yes, I know its free, but they are completly unrelatable to the majority of the world.

too sad said...

Thank-you for writing the best post yet.I wish we could all sign your post and send it to TLC.And just look what they have done to their children.

Indyhiker said...

Thank you. Very well written.

embelishmuch? said...

Where on earth do carseats cost several hundred dollars apeice? As far as "private" school, sending your kids to a christian school is not in the same price range as a private school. We are a single income family of 6 and our kids attend christian school. It costs us around $3000 a year per child. It simply means no new cars or other "extras". I, too dislike this show but lets not overly exxagerate things.

Parsley said...

The car seats the Gosselins use are not the average price ones at the local Toys R Us and the twins do attend a pricey private (not church) school.

Bicoastal said...

What an astute and poignant post.

If Figure 8 Films and TLC (Figure 8's sad-sack enabler) have any sense of decency, they have to see their complicity in this unbelievable octuplet story.

And the media, by ignoring the serious issues raised by toddlers supporting their parents and women living-out The Handmaid's Tale, share blame as well. Where is their oversight?

Kate Goselin giving moronic advice to a seriously sick woman who popped eight babies is not entertaining and should not have been reported as such.

embellishmuch? said...

parsley- most christian schools offer financial aid or scholarships to kids from large families. do you know what tuition is at their school?
they're carseats look normal to me. what kind are they and how much do they cost?

mommynMO said...

embellishmuch? said...
parsley- most christian schools offer financial aid or scholarships to kids from large families. do you know what tuition is at their school?
they're carseats look normal to me. what kind are they and how much do they cost?
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I have 2 Britax carseats, one was $250 and the other was $290, so yes, carseats can cost several hundred dollars. I can't tell what brand theirs are, but I betcha they were at least a couple hundred each.

Katemakesmesick said...

The sextuplets had Sunshine Radian seats for a while. I think they were the Radian 65 model. They're about $220 each. Now they have a different seat (they did NOT need new seats and had NOT outgrown the Radians....obviously Graco gave them new seats) that is the Graco Nautilus (I am pretty sure). They are about $200 each.

Carseats are expensive. All of the Britax seats are well over $200 and closer to $300.

The money is more than worth it to keep your child safe.

So, that person is NOT embellishing anything about the carseats.

TN_Mamato4 said...

Here's what their show is about:

~KON trying to act like they have no money, while buying their $1.3 million dollar house.

~Seeing how long we can keep the 4 yr old tups acting like toddlers.. ya know, the bibs, baby talk, and WIPING butts? COME ON!

~Watching Kate degrade JON?..

Actually, I am sooooooo happy the last show was caught on tape. Ya know, the bit about the kids being FORBIDDEN to step FOOT in their parents' room? Great parenting there. Atleast they'll have hours of footage to show their therapists when they're older.

Personally, I think they are a LOAD OF CRAP! I have 4 boys ages 6-9mths, and children that young naturally have bad dreams, and need the comfort to crawl into bed with their parents. Oh, and nice of them to tape the 4 yr old tups pooping. 1 yr till Kindergarten. Nice, KON never ceases to amaze me with what they'll subject their children to for a buck.

AND btw, OCD Kate, the fridge was FINE. The woman is just nuts. I love how she justified it being a good use of "4 hrs." 4 HOURS!?!?! Are you KIDDING ME! Get over yourself Kate, we all have!

Its A Good Thing said...

That is a great piece. Congrats to Confused Viewer for being able to voice what Im sure many if not all at GWOP are feeling.

embelishmuch? said...
Where on earth do carseats cost several hundred dollars apeice? As far as "private" school, sending your kids to a christian school is not in the same price range as a private school. We are a single income family of 6 and our kids attend christian school. It costs us around $3000 a year per child. It simply means no new cars or other "extras". I, too dislike this show but lets not overly exxagerate things.

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A brand new Graco car seat can run over a couple hundred dollars, times that by 6. And its not so much that all 8 of the Gosselin kids attend PRIVATE school, its that neither Jon nor Kate work. I don't think anything was "overly exxagerated".


Mommynmo: Kate has said that her car seats were Graco and then another brand. Both of which are close to top of the line.

Ravello said...

Private schools in my area cost a minimum of 12 to 15 K for the lower grades and the price increases for middle school and high school up to the mid 20's.
My sister pays 30 K each for her 2 kids to attend private school in another state- one is high school, one middle school.
I know the prices because we wanted to send our kids to private school. We had sticker shock.

The twins are in private school, not a Christian school which is relatively inexpensive.

embellishmuch? said...

actually they are in christian school. the cost of living where they live is very comparable to where we live. i highly doubt it's that high. i'm sure in other areas it is very high but around here it's not.

Katemakesmesick said...

I just wanted to post and tell everyone that YES, Kate is STILL trying to sell her sob story at churches.

She spoke at Willow Creek Church in Barrington, IL last night and this morning.

It was very hard to stomach.

She (and the person interviewing her, much to my extreme disappointment) focused on the hardship of the first year. It was nauseating. If people didn't watch the show (and I am sure there were some in the audience who do not), they would definitely feel sorry for this woman. They would have no clue what life is like now. They might think that God is providing for the Gosselin family, but we all know that God and TLC aren't the same thing. We all know that God would never condone what they're doing to their children.

They didn't ask for love offerings for Kate (I don't know if that is even done in Midwest churches....I had never heard of those before this blog), but there was a chance to buy Kate's (barf) book and stand in a 500 mile long line to have Kate sign it (and who knows---pass Kate some money if one wished to do that).

I don't even have the words right now to express my disgust for Kate Gosselin and the fact that she is speaking at churches. I dislike her even more than I did before (and I REALLY disliked her before). She is absolutely a con artist to the millionth degree.

One of the most sickening things is that she was asked about the way she speaks to Jon. She laughed it off, claims she gets thousands of e-mails a day from other women who speak to their husbands the same way (as IF that makes it okay----are you kidding me?!?!), and then said, "It's harmless." People clapped.

It's beyond ridiculous. She was saying this AT.A.CHURCH. And no one will stand up to her. The man interviewing her (I am not sure if his title is pastor, so I don't want to call him that) moved to the next question.

I am appalled. Kate truly makes me sick. I just do NOT understand why people still like her (and judging by that 500 mile long line, people do. It's beyond scary.).

(I only went to the service because a friend asked me to go, and I thought maybe, just maybe, she would seem different. She wasn't. It was worse than I thought it would be. I regret going.)

The devil is very, very powerful. People either don't want to acknowledge that, or they just want to forget about it, but there is no doubt in my mind that the devil is loving, absolutely LOVING, this whole Kate Gosselin/Jon and Kate plus 8 mess.

(I also believe God was still at work last night, definitely. I hope that some people who only came to church to see Kate were moved by the worship or SOMEthing in that mess of an interview and will come back. That would be the only good thing to come from last night's debacle.)

ThreeFarmers said...

I get so sick of hearing from Kate that they are just a normal family struggling to raise their children and how their life is not glamorous. She's lying through her teeth.

Through her teeth.

Its A Good Thing said...

embellishmuch? said...
actually they are in christian school. the cost of living where they live is very comparable to where we live. i highly doubt it's that high. i'm sure in other areas it is very high but around here it's not.

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Im sorry but I thought Kate said in an interview that they attended a private school, as in non-christian? And it doesn't really matter the cost because NEITHER parent works. The kids are earning the money and that is WRONG.

Its A Good Thing said...

I think the octuplet mom may be the end of the Gosselin's. Questions are arising surrounding Jon and Kate at the glamorization of fertility treatments and HOM.

Get a clue said...

The twins are not in christian school. It is a private school in Lancaster County. The tups go to pre-school at the church. Perhaps embellishmuch is just confuzed.

Marie France said...

embellishmuch? said...
actually they are in christian school. the cost of living where they live is very comparable to where we live. i highly doubt it's that high. i'm sure in other areas it is very high but around here it's not.
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The twins are in a private, country day school - not a christian school. The tups are in the pre-school that KON's church runs and it is really inexpensive according to the church's website. I looked at the twin's school's tuition and it is NOT cheap. It's about $15,000 per student per year.

Jen K said...

I don't really have a comment about their financial situation other than to say that the show has, in a way, cannibalized itself. What I mean is that the nature of the show is not about the family, it's actually about a family with a show.

Since most of us will never have reality shows (thank goodness!) I find it hard to relate to a show about a show. Sort of like Seinfeld, "A show about nothing". :)

I actually enjoyed the show very much at the beginning, but learning that they are filming more often than not and just the way the show has gone lately I feel it should end. The kids will never have another opportunity to have a regular kid life. Ask any child actor what they missed in life and they will lament that people knew them everywhere they went, they didn't have normal experiences, etc..

I don't like to personally get into the "well, we don't have vacations or houses like that thing" because there are lots of people who do have those things, albeit because of their own hard work/jobs/careers and I don't begrudge people that. But I don't agree that the parents should see what they are doing as "the family job". If they characterize it as " family job" then the kids must be "working".

Anyway, nice post...I agree the show is not relatable anymore which is ironic because the show itself created that situation.

Jen K said...

One of the most sickening things is that she was asked about the way she speaks to Jon. She laughed it off, claims she gets thousands of e-mails a day from other women who speak to their husbands the same way (as IF that makes it okay----are you kidding me?!?!), and then said, "It's harmless." People clapped.


I've said all along that there are plenty of things that Kate does that I can blow off or excuse, but this is definitely not one of them.

If their father was speaking to their mother that way? How quickly would that show have been pulled?

The way parents treat each other, whether it's just "them being the way they are" affects children. It shapes the way they see the parents, the way they understand relationships, how they view gender roles. As parents, it is their job, no RESPONSIBILITY, to treat each other with a certain modicum of respect in front of their kids. Talk any way you want in private (even though kids pick up on that too) but for God's sake...to speak that way in front of your children and then have it memorialized forever on a reality show. I'm mortified for the kids and for Jon.

Now Jon...whole other story. He's not doing his kids any favors by letting the behavior happen. He has spoken up a few times, but by feeding into the behavior (in the Master bedroom, being fed his lines one by one by Kate) that is inexcusable.

My husband and I might bicker from time to time, but we never speak in that child/parent way. It's simply not healthy. Funny now, and worth a laugh, but I don't think those kids will be laughing about this as adults.

So as a former Jon and Kate fan who finally got sick of these displays...well, there you have it. :) Sorry, I get passionate about this one issue because I feel it's the most damaging aspect of the dynamic there.

Damage Control said...

I'm sorry but if Jon and Kate are receiving financial aid of any kind to put their kids in an expensive private school after just buying the million $$ konpound, um, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with THAT picture!

bcd5 said...

There seems to be a lot of "back and forth" about the tuition at the school that the twins attend. I don't really think the cost matters, it's the underlying premise of the whole situation; Jon and Kate believe (yes, truly believe) that they are so much better than the average every day family. They think that they are wonderful parents, wonderful providers, wonderful Christians - and a perfect example of this would be "oh look, we send our children to private school because we value education so much, and we want them to have the best." For any one else, that would certainly be the case, who doesn't want the best for their children? However, with the Gosselin parents, it's just one more feather in their hats to rub in other people's faces, as in, "our kids go to private school and you can't even afford it." I feel that this has become the attitude of the whole show ("we are better than everyone") and that is why I quit watching a few months ago. Why should I watch that rubbish on TV, when I could actually be involved in my children's lives, and spend time with them doing daily activities? I wonder how much Jon and Kate know about that...

Old North State said...

Maggie, tremendous post. You have deftly summed up my feelings.

Maggie said...

Thanks Old North State, but our reader "ConfusedViewer" sent it in, I just put it up.

~duckie~ said...

I have to agree it is not jealously but annoyance.
When will it end? Stop the insanity!

Roscoe said...

Lin said...
The reality is: It doesn't matter how many letters people sent TLC saying the show should be shut down. TLC is a large corporation and they care about one thing: Money. As long as people are watching this show it doesn't matter if they get 5 billion hate letters per day, as long as the ratings are good this show isn't going anywhere. So if you want it to go off the air save your breathe ( or your fingers ) and just turn off your t.v.


I couldn't agree more Lin. There has been discuss on this board about how if you're not a Nielsen family you can watch without feeling guilty because your viewing isn't being counted. Not true. I have DirectTV and this is on their website:

We may disclose aggregated Anonymous Viewing Information and any derived analyses to third parties including suppliers, advertisers, broadcasters, research companies and other organizations.

In another part of their website "anonymous viewing information" is explained as being the shows you view or purchase, but that this information isn't tied back to any individual person. So you watch, it's noted and reported back to marketers and research companies.

And if you watch, you can't complain that this show is still on. A million letters and product boycotting won't stop the show. Only the lack of viewers will stop this show.....or a two parents in PA finally coming to their senses. But let's not hold our breath on that one.

Old North State said...

Oops! My bad! Thanks for the great summation, ConfusedViewer! Way to post it, Maggie! :-)

carolyn said...

We are a single income family of 6 and our kids attend christian school. It costs us around $3000 a year per child. It simply means no new cars or other "extras".

Going to catholic school my whole life tuition at different schools range widely. The starting price for most private schools are $3,000, BUT most above average private schools can be anywhere from $7,000-to even $10,000 so it's a valid point

havasubums said...

I for one will go to my remote control right now and delete this show from my Tvo I will NEVER watch it again, for Maggies and all the kids sake!!!!

4thekids said...

Bravo, CV, bravo.

I was a DIEHARD fan of the show in the beginning, stemming from my love of children and because multiples runs in my family. I wanted to see how this every-day family managed to cope and live. I loved seeing Kate with her badly chopped, short brown hair that clearly she didn't like but tolerated because it was much easier to style than her long blonde curls. I loved seeing her struggle to carry six babies, two at a time, up the stairs in their old (first) house. I guffawed when Jon came home after long days and had to bathe all the children before bed. I was hooked.

Now I see hairplugs, teeth whitening, spray-on-tanners, a 1.3 million dollar home, vacations across the country, and matching GAP clothing... what happened to the original appeal?

Everyone I know who watches the show still does so because "the kids are cute." Never mind the desperate cries for attention from Mady, the pent up anger oozing from quiet Cara, the blatant distaste for the boys and Sassy, the preference for the precious Hannie, the verbal abuse of Jon by Kate, the obvious sponsor product placement, and the endless freebies.

This show is a farce, and it needs to be ended...NOW.

Andrea said...

Succinct and just perfect.

Your post rips right to the truth of what I've been trying to put my finger on. The sparkle has gone out of this show and I was the ubiquitous #1 fan, sigh. My nose prickled a bit while reading because I'm saddened. I realize to some that sounds melodramatic, but I am a mother of a four year old and a two year old and "visiting" the Gosselin family each episode brought real and raw (and sometimes hilarious) feelings to the surface. I felt normalized as a mother who can barely keep her head above water with two, so I emphasized with Kate. I emphasize no longer. There is nothing normal about this family of celebrity.

Thank you for your post.

Andrea

8XploitedFaces said...

they're carseats

Yes. They ARE Car seats!

Tangerine Tanya said...

I think that the talk(threats) that Kate made to the children about not going into her and Jon's room should have been done in private.She really puts on more for the sake of the cameras.

Addison said...

Maggie, you brought up many great points. Well said.

This all got me thinking, what would things be like if Jon and Kate did the show "the old way" from the beginning, like that first special when they were real, no plastic surgery...no matchy-matchy close for the tups...but a real family living the way many of us do, working a job, raising our kids... what if they did the show, but only agreed to take the money for the kids college fund OR not at all. It just seems like all the money...the lack of need for a "job"...the big house... the vacations... it's completely changing them for the worse. The only ones losing in the end are those kids, cute as can be, and it's just so sad. It all comes down to greed.

bertie22 said...

I am not a doctor of any kind, so I cannot diagnose Kate, but I draw SO many similarities between Kate and my own mother that something has been bothering me. My mother was classic NPD and often, to gain leverage, would tell me that others had backed up her negative views about me. I fear that Kate, in the heat of her anger, tells Mady that "even the viewers agree with me."
I realize this is complete speculation and it sounds crazy, but most people here are probably not narcissistic, so it SHOULD sound crazy. Like I said, I am not diagnosing Kate or anything, this is all just my humble opinion, but in reaching out to friends with similar childhood situations, we've all voiced the same concern.
Like everyone else says, I am waiting with baited(sp?) breath for the tell-alls in a few years. Or even just an interview. The kids are getting old enough to realize that these live interviews are Kate's weak spot. Mady is attacking that weakness with all she's got and soon the others will catch on.
Also, as a child who suffered from migraines, I now KNOW when I am getting one, it's because of too much caffeine and sugar, not enough water. My pediatrician told my mother long ago that 90% of the time, thats the problem. Those kids lose so much water running around over hot lights and are given FRUIT PUNCH to rehydrate. there's SO much wrong with all of this, I don't even know what to say anymore.

Merrilee said...

My feelings are different than most of those that are posted here. The general view seems to be that without the kids, there would be no show. That is certainly true, however, without Kate, there would be no show. Her dramatic personality is what keeps this train on the track. I don't see an end to this show any time soon, nor do I see the marriage falling apart, or the family losing all their fame and fortune. I wish it were so. I hope I am wrong.

Anonymomma said...

My husband has dubbed Kate Gosslin as "Pennsylvania Paris", as in, she is PA's version of Paris Hilton. Celebrated for doing absolutely nothing.

thecloserfan said...

Great post confusedViewer. It says exactly what I've been feeling about this show for a long time.

It doesn't really matter how much their schooling costs, the fact remains that the premise of the show is now complete. The Gosselin family are now able to financially live on their own.

I still worry about the children however, Mady has anger issues while Cara is depressed and withdrawn. The sextuplets have no idea what a real childhood is like since the cameras have been around pretty much since infancy.

I agree with everyone else..the show needs to end.

alana said...

Uh oh... I'm getting that sinking feeling that comes over me when we have an interesting NEW essay to write upon and all of a sudden posters get STUCK competing with each other on subject matter related to, but not necessary for, a good discussion.

PLEASE! do we have to debate the "Christian vs. private" school thing? The fact of THIS matter is the twins do not go to public school - PERIOD!

I mean no offense BUT...
Can't we get back to the point of this great essay? Yawn and Take are rich now, the kids should not have jobs and TLC would be more than WISE to take this (stupid) lie-of-a show off the air.

Times Are Tough Everywhere Else said...

Excellent post !

My husband was just laid off from for the second time in 60 days and his last employer says there is no money to pay him the last paycheck.

Am I "jealous" of Jon & Kate ? Absolutely not. I would never sell my child's innocence/childhood/future to live in a konpound.

I also don't expect society to take care of us.

Hope said...

ItsAGoodThing said...
I think the octuplet mom may be the end of the Gosselin's. Questions are arising surrounding Jon and Kate at the glamorization of fertility treatments and HOM.

2/01/2009 1:09 PM

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I TOTALLY agree with this. Scary, isn't it?

The Gosselins are making it look pretty good to have a bunch of kids all at once. Why not, ya know?

My Life is Tough!!! said...

Times are Tough Everywhere Else said: My husband was just laid off from for the second time in 60 days and his last employer says there is no money to pay him the last paycheck.
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My husband also has lost 2 yes 2 jobs in just 6 months. I thought we were the only ones living this economic nightmare.....Thats why I was so pissed on last weeks show when Kate was complaining about the fridge. My last rental home was a dump. Holes punched in walls and the last tenants had a 'bong' party in the dining room which resulted in a fire! So when we moved in and remember I did say "rental" I painted for the first two weeks! And Queen Kate is complaining about a stupid fridge?! Gimme a break.

Its A Good Thing said...

Hope said...
I TOTALLY agree with this. Scary, isn't it?

The Gosselins are making it look pretty good to have a bunch of kids all at once. Why not, ya know?

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It is scary especially since fertility drugs are available on line, or through the black market. Jon and Kate are EXTREMELY lucky that all their kids are healthy. And not only are they healthy they are raking in some big bucks. Its a disgrace that TLC shows this family and its high time it was off the air.

nomorekonartists said...

Thank you ConfusedViewer. J&K's actions have proved that they are nothing but greedy people looking for the next buck. In an economy where people are loosing their jobs left and right, and everyone is feeling the crunch these two people are buying a million dollar home with money they didn't even work for? Neither have a job, and both use their children to make money. Something is wrong with this picture.

Mrs.Q said...

The way parents treat each other, whether it's just "them being the way they are" affects children. It shapes the way they see the parents, the way they understand relationships, how they view gender roles.

Thank you, Jen K. This made me went to cry. I seldom watch the show anymore, for all the reasons posted here. When I did watch, I had to avert my attention whenever Kate berated Jon, because it reminded me so much of how my mother treated my father. Growing up, children believe that whatever their parents do is normal and acceptable. As a young adult, I found myself treating boyfriends the way my mother treated my father. It has been a difficult habit to break. Sometimes I still slip up. Unfortunately, witnessing that behavior as a child has made it a part of my nature that I now must fight against because I know that it is wrong.

I feel so sorry for these children. A mansion does not make up for emotion well-being.

Thank you, Maggie, for a spot-on commentary, delivered eloquently and without any snide remarks.

itcouldhappen said...

Was there really any reality on this show to begin with?

USED2BaFAN said...

Thankyou so much for writing this... it is exactly how I feel!

confusedviewer said...

Thank you to everyone who gave me compliments regarding my post. Again, I think what troubles us all is that Jon & Kate continue to act as if they are entitled to what they have simply because they gave life to 8 little souls. Evryone deserves a hand when they are going through hard times, but this couple has taken the whole body. I stopped watching the show months ago for these reasons. I had lost all interest. But I saw a glimpse of the new house on a TLC commercial, and I'm embarassed to say that like a rubbernecker on the highway, I turned in to the last episode. Another quick point to be made...these people aren't stars. They aren't acting. There is no talent or art. It's just a camera crew following them around. Can you imagine what these kids endure going to school? Their classmates can look inside their lives every Monday night and then basically every day thereafter, on re-runs. I have one son and I cannot imagine exposing him to that as a school-aged child. It was one thing to have the specials when the tups were infants and the twins were only 4, and they had no social circle of their own. But now, this should definitely cause someone to impose setting standards for minors on reality shows.

maddykat said...

I am posting here- wasn't sure where else to post..I have always defended this show. I have always taken the position of "well, I dont have 8 kids so I have no opinion on how Kate should organize her household" I watched mainly for the entertainment and some learning. I agree with all the comments that the show has taken on a new direction, it is no longer entertaining, I can not relate, Kate has shown a very ugly side to herself, etc, etc. The new house episode was the last for me.

However, more than anything else, I feel that Kate misrepresents herself. First of all, I do not believe she penned her own book when she is unable to use proper words in her interviews.
I was angered beyond belief when she said in the most recent Viewer Q&A episode that "Parents of children with cancer are my heroes"....."Visiting St Jude affected me"....YET- she orders her children to STAY OUT of HER bedroom!
Well, guess what??? I AM a parent of a 4 year old with cancer. I am insulted. Kate- DO NOT sit there and say you were "moved" by seeing those sick kids and consider their parents heroes when CLEARLY you still don't get it. Becuase if you did, you would realize that you are wasting all of the most precious, day-to-day moments with your kids and trading them in for obsessively cleaning and creating ridiculous rules. I always allow my child to come cuddle with me- even in the middle of the night- because I have met too many parents who can no longer do that with their own. If you want to learn anything from us "Cancer Moms"- then learn to get your priorities straight.

I urge you all to write to TLC (as I already have) to express your disappointment with this show and to petition to have it removed. You can find the link on the TLC website under viewer relations.

Thank you~

skywatcher said...

I see in the above post that this was the 'last episode'. Is that for the season? If so, when is it suppose to be airing again? I don't watch it anymore, but alot can happen during the time they are away...hopefully.

Barbara said...

This season is the beginning of the end for J&K+8. No more homey breakfasts,lunch and dinners. I wonder if TLC is furnishing their new mansion like they furnished the Duggars... big house. I have yet to see the Duggars cook in their "commercial kitchen" and why do they need 2 kitchens?? I'm sure the futon is not going to make it to the new house, nor the electric fireplace. It is impossible for them even to say they live a "normal" life when the last 2 seasons their life has been anything but normal. This show needs to quietly go away. This season I have see innocence slowly begin to ebb out of the children. I wonder how long J&K will stay married after the cameras/crew go away and they are all alone in the big ole mansion away from civilization.....not long I bet, which is much the sadder.

AnneMarie said...

Sadly, there are at LEAST two more episodes this "season", Walk in the Woods, and Home Sweet Home. I remember something about another one with KON and dance lessons, but it's no longer on the list.

hmmmmmmmmmmm.........

Karen said...

Katemakesmesick said...

(they did NOT need new seats and had NOT outgrown the Radians....obviously Graco gave them new seats)

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I'd just like to say that for the safety of the Gosselin children and all children out there, please replace your child's car seat if it is 5 years old or older. I do not know of any car seat manufacture that recommends that a car seat be used past the five year mark.

The reason for this is that the plastic looses its integrity from being exposed to extreme hot and cold temperatures in the car. It becomes brittle and can break in an accident, seriously injuring your child.

If the Gosselin's had the original car seats since the younger children were babies, then I'd say they did the right thing by replacing them. (Or accepting a gift of new seats from Graco if that's the case.)

Jen K said...

To MaddyKat...

{{{{HUGS}}}} for what you and your family are dealing with. I agree, these parents have their priorities out of whack and have no idea what joys they are missing out on when they make ridiculous statements like they did about their bedroom.

Please give that little one a giant hug and know that you have many people thinking of you and wishing you and your family the best. It's comments like yours that put this into perspective!

Stay strong and thank you for sharing a very personal story with us! It's admirable and very touching.

Bree said...

I'd just like to say that for the safety of the Gosselin children and all children out there, please replace your child's car seat if it is 5 years old or older. I do not know of any car seat manufacture that recommends that a car seat be used past the five year mark.

The reason for this is that the plastic looses its integrity from being exposed to extreme hot and cold temperatures in the car. It becomes brittle and can break in an accident, seriously injuring your child.

If the Gosselin's had the original car seats since the younger children were babies, then I'd say they did the right thing by replacing them. (Or accepting a gift of new seats from Graco if that's the case.)


Not to harp on the carseat thing, but I'm fairly certain that the sextuplets were in Graco infant seats (Snugrides, I think), then Graco Comfortsports, then the Radian 65s (which they only got a year or two ago and had plenty of life left in them), then the Graco Nautiluses they are in now (and I'm glad to see they are usually harnessed, so many parents of kids that age move them to boosters, which is a bad move).

Also, while carseats do expire, 5 years in on the low end of the scale. Most expire after 6 years (there are some that are 7+ years; it all depends on the brand and model). Parents can check the manual and date of manufacture of their kids' seats to be sure.

As for the original post itself, of course I agree with it!

Becca said...

yes, what she said

timetogkon said...

Not to beat a dead horse, but regarding the comments about replacing the car seats, very sound advice and good information.

Unfortunately, we all know that Jon and Kate replacing the kids' car seats had nothing to do with safety.

Remember, who are they to say no (to freebies) ?

Lin said...

I am a fan of the show ( please don't kill me ) but I still don't agree with a lot of the things they do. I do agree that the show has come far from what it used to be, we're seeing less of the children and more clips of Kate, I want to see more of the kids!

I have nothing bad to say about
Kates obsessive cleaning or how much time she spends with her kids, because I don't know what happens with editing and what goes on when the camera is off.. I do know that every family interacts differently and not every parent feels the need to cuddle their kid every 2 seconds, but that doesnt mean they dont show affection in other ways.

Monica A said...

I think this was a WONDERFUL post and took every word out of my mouth. I tuned in and out of this show for all of 5 minutes and couldn't stand it anymore. I think these parents have truly lost sight of what their priorities need to be. These kids are on a downward spiral.

Madykat, my heart goes out to you and your family. It is stories like YOURS that remind the rest of us not to take the little things for granted. As my 4 year old is sound asleep next to me, in my bed, I will continue to count my blessings....

I hope one day KON will do the same...

kateisrightthistime said...

I really don't get the outrage of not allowing the children in their bedroom. My son constantly wants to lay in my bed and watch television and is constantly touching my things. I am tempted to put a lock on the door and tell him hands off. We have plenty of "moments" and as someone who thoroughly enjoys my sleep, one of those "awwww" moments is not when ds climbs into bed with me and positions his little feet in my ribs. I don't think that teaching children boundaries is worthy of a call to social services.

machinegunsmom said...

Kate's obsessed with this theory of "I'd do it if I had two kids, why not do it with eight..." but the thing is, she doesn't have two kids and it's nice that she's "trying" to make the tups feel "normal" (I think that ship has sailed, though...) but it's not a normal every day family and most families with 8 kids wouldn't be able to give each kid (or just the fave) their own room or take lavish vacations to Hawaii and stay at the Grand Wailea, you could probably visit the local zoo often on a season family pass, or save up for a trip to a theme park like Sesame Place, but NOT spend a couple of weeks at an extravagant beach house in North Carolina. My family of 3 couldn't even afford to drive two states away to Illinois and stay at the Grand Bear Lodge (similar to the Great Wolf) for one night for a family reunion in 2008 like we usually do.

I also truly think that Kate feels she was shorted in her childhood, that she didn't get enough experiences and she didn't get enough of this and that and sometimes I feel the same way about mine, but I also note what was good and wholesome about my childhood and there are a lot of good things from my kid years that I want to pass on to my son and also give him new experiences and travels on top of that. I really think she feels entitled to all of this because her parents apparently didn't spoil her enough or give her enough adventure growing up. Jon on the other hand did have money and did get to travel and do things and maybe he's just accustomed to the lifestyle and doesn't want to have to adapt to another way of living. I don't know. These people REALLY think that this is what they SHOULD get and I can see where it's coming from, but it doesn't make it okay.

Dime store psychology, but...they need a reality check, especially Kate. Maybe they should do a Christmas Carol-esque episode, have the Ghost of Christmas Past show Kate what her life will be like in 10-20 years if she doesn't change her wicked ways...Scrooge.

machinegunsmom said...

If anything, Kate should speak about her success story at churches and how fortunate she's been, and how appreciative she is of the church-going folk to have supported her family and boosted them to the place they're in now. She should be inviting everyone who's ever given her a "love offering" or free merchandise (including the Wal Mart clothing and mismatched cribs), or time away from their own families to help take care of hers...to a frickin' housewarming party as a thank you for buying their house.

It's not that she's speaking at churches that bothers me (well, except that she's pure evil and churches, well, they're supposed to be on the holier, more reverent side), it's that she's still peddling the poverty story. Why can't she tell the rags to riches story and be thankful? They obviously have plenty of money and will continue to make money in royalties, money from the DVD and book sales, and possibly even more money if even one of them got a part-time job while the kids are in school. UGH.

machinegunsmom said...

Kate said it herself. Woman from all over send her countless e-mails thanking her, because being a stay-at-home mom is "lonely it's depressing, it's hard" and seeing her do it with 8 gave them a boost to do it with 2 or 3. I only have one but he's a toddler so some days it feels like 8...she touched viewers, she made them feel like they had an ally, and now they're just a nuisance she has to put up with to have nice things.

This is cattiness at its finest, but ThreeFarmers said she's lying through her teeth...well she's lying through a mouthful of Chiclets that we, the viewers, helped pay for.

whyohwhy said...

When this show started I too was in awe of J&K and how they managed. He used to drive off to work and she worked on the weekends and I remember Jon staying home taking care of the kids all day. Then she stopped working to stay at home when the show got picked up. I thought that was great. After all, dad was working and setting a great example to the kids. But then...I started noticing Jon always being there. And going on all those trips and wondering how he got time off work...oh that is it...he wasn't working anymore either.

Oh lets see, trip to Carolina, trip to Hawaii stopping off for 2 weeks first of course in Cali, trip to Disney where they drove, trip to Cali when they got the acorns, and the list can go on and on.

It boggles my mind how this has changed them. From the family I first started to watch to who they have become. Even Jon has changed. Wow, it is sad.

Kate is doing a book signing by my house today in Oakbrook...I want to go. Not to purchase her book but to see if there is anyone in ther heckling her and her choices.

Nikra said...

Confused Reader well said! The show meant all of that and more to me. Seeing Kate with her post it notes, shopping with the kids and telling us she manages meals and running the household alone was what made me want to see the show. I felt a connection.

What is the show now? It is really sad to see what it has become. Kate's new hair and slimmer body, Jon's new hair and slimmer body. The new house the vacations. It is no longer about family. We never see them playing with the kids in the snow anymore. They don't tuck them in. There is no parenting. All we get is Kate yelling at Jon and the kids roaming around while their parents complaine.

SO WEIRD that the show is still on.

Jane in California said...

kateisrightthistime said...

I really don't get the outrage of not allowing the children in their bedroom. My son constantly wants to lay in my bed and watch television and is constantly touching my things. I am tempted to put a lock on the door and tell him hands off. We have plenty of "moments" and as someone who thoroughly enjoys my sleep, one of those "awwww" moments is not when ds climbs into bed with me and positions his little feet in my ribs. I don't think that teaching children boundaries is worthy of a call to social services.


I would agree that it's not worthy of a call to social services, but I do think it's very sad that the children were told they were never to set foot in their parents' bedroom. When I was a child, my parents had very clear rules and boundaries for all of us children. We were not to go into our parents' bedroom when they weren't there, unless sent there by them to retrieve something. However, they had an open door policy -- meaning if one of us had a bad dream or didn't feel good in the night, we could go to their room in search of comfort (and find it).

One of favorite childhood memories is of Sunday mornings, the one morning a week my dad would allow himself to "sleep in", until about 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. That meant five of us little kids piling on the bed with them, talking, joking, and snuggling until it was time to get dressed for church. It's the little things like that that really send an unspoken message of love and acceptance, not fancy trips, not pricey toys, not clothes that you can't get dirty in.

If my mom had said sternly to us that we weren't welcome in her bedroom, ever, it would have been as hurtful as a slap to the face. I'm so thankful I had the mom I did, and not a Kate Gosselin!

emma said...

Thank you Confused Viewer for saying what we're all thinking.

flangie74 said...

I agree with every single word. Amen! The show stopped being good when it became more like a travel show and less about parenting small children. I'm tired of the trite, hyped-up gratitude, all-about-my-new-book tone of the show now.

they should be ashamed said...

I agree! You made so many good points! My husband works so hard supporting our family. I stay home with our child and we try to do the best we can for her. We would never dream of taking fertility medications because we don't have the means to support mulitiple kids. How can you just expect society to support you and your children? It's just ridiculous.

If someone told me today that I could get my child into modeling or acting and we could make tons of money, I'd never do it. I would never do that to my child! You cannot put a price on a childhood! Kon and TLC are horrible. I can't wait for this show to go off the air.

MsPeabody said...

Lin said...
The reality is: It doesn't matter how many letters people sent TLC saying the show should be shut down. TLC is a large corporation and they care about one thing: Money. As long as people are watching this show it doesn't matter if they get 5 billion hate letters per day, as long as the ratings are good this show isn't going anywhere. So if you want it to go off the air save your breathe ( or your fingers ) and just turn off your t.v.


I'm not sure not watching the show will make a difference. I read in another post sometime ago that simply not watching the show won't make a difference because unless you are a Nielsen participant, it won't matter. I don't know.
I will continue writing sponsors including TLC and continue boycotting them until they remove their products from the show or blur them from being shown. It may not seem like much from one person but in numbers it will make a difference because sponsors lose regular consumers which causes sales to go down and since they are about making money, they don't like that. And writing them letting them know we are not going to purchase their products anylonger as long as it is associated with this show causes them to re-think things, IMO.

MsPeabody said...

My Life is Tough!!! said...
Times are Tough Everywhere Else said: My husband was just laid off from for the second time in 60 days and his last employer says there is no money to pay him the last paycheck.
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My husband also has lost 2 yes 2 jobs in just 6 months. I thought we were the only ones living this economic nightmare.....Thats why I was so pissed on last weeks show when Kate was complaining about the fridge. My last rental home was a dump. Holes punched in walls and the last tenants had a 'bong' party in the dining room which resulted in a fire! So when we moved in and remember I did say "rental" I painted for the first two weeks! And Queen Kate is complaining about a stupid fridge?! Gimme a break.


My heart goes out to every family that has lost homes and jobs. My husband has a job but work is slow there and some have had to be laid off. We know what it is like to suffer financially, we live from week to week and I've thought about the question the sheeple throw at anyone with an opposing opinion about J&K, "what would I do if in the same shoes as them?". I've thought about it seriously and I know in my heart, that we could have never followed the path that Jon and Kate have gone down with their children. Their are many families with more than enough money but they are unhappy because money can't buy happiness, it is used for the necessities in life and with that I am learning to be content. I'm very grateful if we get any extra's but my happiness doesn't depend on that.
Anyway, my prayers go out to all who have lost jobs or homes.

Sidney said...

Kate says they bought the new house for the kids, because the kids deserve it.

Why do her kids deserve such opulence when some kids don't even have their own beds to sleep in at night.

machinegunsmom said...

The North Carolina episode(s) doesn't seem like it was THAT long ago (wasn't it during the Great Summer of Extreme Vacations?) and it was well after I started hating Kate and after the show started leaving a bad taste in my mouth...but I watched it again last night and when they took the wild horse tour, Kate was frolicking on the beach, excited about a washed-up jellyfish, and let only Mady and Cara out of their Jeep to come witness it with her--no Hannah in sight. She even let the older girls pick out hermit crabs, she was helping the kids catch a bug or something the day they walked down to the beach (walked?? the camera crew didn't carry her in her white plastic throne??), she was being playful with the crab that Jon caught in a bucket...there were plenty of things I didn't like about her in that episode, obviously, but it was the fact that not so very long ago she was still playing with her children and showing them affection and helping take part in the day-to-day stuff that's not so rewarding but comes with the territory of having kids. She showed some special attention to Mady and Cara still...I don't understand what's happened in such a short time, it doesn't make any sense.

Dee said...

I am just watching Kate drive this show into the ground single handedly every week. She becomes more unhinged and foolish with every new episode and I find her unravelling before our very eyes a bit worrisome at times, but yet strangely interesting and enjoyable. Yeah , I know I am pretty sick. Nice recap from the OP.

momto5 said...

I also was drawn into this show in the beginning, I became a huge fan. As time passed things were really seeming a bit odd in the show, and I had this nagging feeling that I was not as in love with the show I as I thought I was, but as a fan, I would justify Kate's issues because of her family dynamics, because most women act like this, because she was "exhausted", etc. Then I was noticing all the freebies, the nannies, less of the family and friends, Kate becoming more and more condesending to Jon and last but not least, her attitude changed to an attitude of entitlement. Then someone said they saw her at a speaking event and that J&K were horrible and ungrateful. That did it for me, I could no longer ignore the feelings I was having of my growing distaste with J&K. They then seemed more and more fake and snotty to me. I stopped watching the show after that. It was the end of the reality for me with this show. They became "hollywood". And less "average". I was what I would consider a "sheeple" at one time. And whether all sheeple can admit or not, by now this show must be getting to them or they are having nagging feelings about the show which they will ignore, just because they want to justify Kate. Funny thing sheeple are not realizing is that it is not just GWOP getting on to J&K, but many, many other media outlets are finding out what a scam J&K are, and truly how horrible Kate is. Article after article is giving this show a bad rap. And more so with the octuplets scandal, which is making J&K look really bad now. Sheeple need to wake up and realize their "can do no wrong because we deserve this all stuff-via the kids lost childhoods, wonder couple" is sinking fast in the public view. So sheeple can quit blaming GWOP for hosting the Kate hate fest, because it is everywhere now, thanks to Kate herself. It's called karma. But I am glad the scam is about to end, because I really want to see the kids get a little bit of childhood left without cameras. They need to be kids. They have that right. Their parents are robbing them of that all in the sake of "our kids have a good life because of this". They do?? They seem like an unhappy bunch to me. Sad thing is now there are 8(octuplets) little lives who will be the next mutiples performing circus act on TV if TLC gets a chance to exploit it. Thanks Kate, you are a great role model to this whack job, because you are not to me. The G's are slowly fading and in a couple of years, nobody will be interested in them, because the sheeple will be too busy admiring all the other super mega multiples being popped out for the sake of $$$$ and as usual, we are all just jealous over here according to sheeple. Jealous of what?? Sheeple get a clue, and diss your QFI, who in real life could care less about any of you, you are all just $$$ to her and her Kongdom Konporation(kingdom corporation). No longer a fan and will never be again.

strugglingtosurvive said...

Amen to that!!!

Michelle said...

I usually do not agree with anything that is said on this blog, however, I must say that this post is right on target. I can't imagine this show lasting much longer, especially with fresh meat out there like the Duggars and this new mother of 14!! I hope Jon and Kate has saved for a rainy day, because I think it will come soon!

Lori said...

You put into words what I have been trying to articulate for months now.

My question is, how do we get TLC to "listen".

The whole situation is totally absurd now... since they have this big mansion, now they are hinting that they do not have furniture (wink, wink - does someone want to donate new furniture?).

Lets please send these comments to TLC - it's just getting worse every episode.